Rider's plea to drivers as horse is hit by van in Bradford (From Bradford Telegraph and Argus)

It's about time that horses were prevented from walking on roads in England with the exception of private roads.
Another unnecessary hazard that can put lives at risk.


The same applies for the idiots in mobility scooters who also use roads rather than pavements.

beardedclam wrote:
It's about time that horses were prevented from walking on roads in England with the exception of private roads.
Another unnecessary hazard that can put lives at risk.


The same applies for the idiots in mobility scooters who also use roads rather than pavements.

Maybe its the drivers' that need more lessons on road etiquette and at least should have the manners to stop and see that no one was injured. If you can't see a horse and rider, then you need to get your eyes tested.

beardedclam wrote:
It's about time that horses were prevented from walking on roads in England with the exception of private roads.
Another unnecessary hazard that can put lives at risk.


The same applies for the idiots in mobility scooters who also use roads rather than pavements.

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Yorkshire Lass wrote:

beardedclam wrote:
It's about time that horses were prevented from walking on roads in England with the exception of private roads.
Another unnecessary hazard that can put lives at risk.


The same applies for the idiots in mobility scooters who also use roads rather than pavements.

Maybe its the drivers' that need more lessons on road etiquette and at least should have the manners to stop and see that no one was injured. If you can't see a horse and rider, then you need to get your eyes tested.

Absolutely!
You would think that a description of the vehicle and registration number would be sufficient for the Police to trace it.

It's not a case of horse riders are better than drivers or vice versa. It's just selfish human beings.

There seem to be idiots in charge of horses who seem to obliviously ride 3 abreast on main roads and ignore the queue building up behind them. They also seem to think their hi vis clothing makes them invincible.

Conversely I've seen plenty of drivers on country roads ignore the horses completely and carry on at the same speed.

The police have the van's description and registration number and still can't trace it? Either they are not trying very hard or the plate is false (it is Bradford, after all).

Leeds Road in Idle is a really busy road, not sure why anyone would actually want to risk riding a horse on there!
A busy road is not the place for a horse. Horses don’t like hard surfaces, they don’t like the road noise and passing cars, it’s cruel to ride them on the road. It’s also a dangerous obstruction, and most drivers if it came to an unavoidable situation of hitting a soft horse or a head on collision with a solid vehicle coming the other way, would go for the one that won’t kill them.
Also as a motorcyclist, I’ve nearly come of a number of times when hitting horse crap left on corners. It’s more dangerous than a diesel or oil spills.
Consideration to other road users, be they animal or vehicle, is a two way thing you know.
The van driver should have stopped though.

Education education education!!! The poor standards of driving in the County is laughable.

unfortunatly someone has got killed riding a horse. a few weeks ago she was waiting to cross a road and 2 cars were racing side by side down the road and one drove into her. the horse and the druver of the car are both now dead and the rider is still in hospital.

It is sad and in this case it could have been completly preventable. Unfortunalty many people also do not have anywhere to ride other than roads, just because you are surrounded by fields does not mean there is access to them. Also many bridle ways have to cross busy roads to gain access to the fields. I don't think anyone is safe on the roads really, you hear all the time cyclists, walkers riders etc, having near misses and untill all road users start thinking about how they use the road and actually start obeying the signs that are displayed we will still have situations like this.

This guy gives riders a bad name. Well known locally for riding like an absolute idiot. I feel sorry for any horse he rides.

have all the people moaning about horses bieng on the road ever heard the saying horses were made for roads and cars were made for motoways. horses were there before cars and just because your in a car u think your it and you own the road well reality check YOU DONT !!

megan123horses wrote:
have all the people moaning about horses bieng on the road ever heard the saying horses were made for roads and cars were made for motoways. horses were there before cars and just because your in a car u think your it and you own the road well reality check YOU DONT !!

what an abslutely stupid comment which I shall address with just one simple argument - when did a horse rider pay for any roads to be built or upkeep to be done on them? Answer: Never. It is the car/van/lorry driver that pays for the upkeep and building of roads and quite frankly, I am sick of horse riders and cyclists using the roads carelessly. You only have to drive round Tong, Wilsden, Allerton, Thornton to see horse riders blocking the roads by riding in next to each other and sometimes in a row of three across the road rather than in single file. And dont get me started on cyclists, on Sunday morning at the bottom of Manchester Road, two clists riding next to each other causing me to slow down as I could not ovrtake due to traffic on the inside. When I pipped at them, and eventually got past, I got a sarcastic wave - I bet if I had clipped one on the way past, they would change their ways. It is about time that these people are either made to pay tax as car drivers are, or are made to be insured to ride on the roads - that would stop most of them from doing so. Who pays if a horse/cyclist cause damage to your car by not using the roads correctly?? People talk above about educating drivers, but wh educates cylists and horse riders. What experience of the roads does the lad in the story have - he is barely old enough to drive, so how much experience/knowledge of the roads and the laws of the roads does he have. Granted the people in the van should have stopped and checked and obviously have no morals or care but the high and mighty cyclist/horse riders need to take a long hard look at themselves in the mirror and authrities should enforce training and education on them also. Finally, I would also like to point out that if you hit my car with your bike or horse when you are not riding correctly (single file), and I have to claim on my insurance, then I will take you to court for every extra cost!!
All road users sould be taxed and insured - and people should have to pass tests to use them no matter what transportation you have.

megan123horses wrote:
have all the people moaning about horses bieng on the road ever heard the saying horses were made for roads and cars were made for motoways. horses were there before cars and just because your in a car u think your it and you own the road well reality check YOU DONT !!

No, I've never heard that saying before. I'd definitely have remembered such a illogical theory.
If you want to take it back to historical evolution, there was a time when humans didn't ride horses so perhaps you should stop riding them. Pedestrians were using roads before you!

It's not a matter of anybody owning the road, but everybody using them correctly. Just as many riders as drivers currently seem to think they own the road.

shaunp2112 wrote:

megan123horses wrote:
have all the people moaning about horses bieng on the road ever heard the saying horses were made for roads and cars were made for motoways. horses were there before cars and just because your in a car u think your it and you own the road well reality check YOU DONT !!

what an abslutely stupid comment which I shall address with just one simple argument - when did a horse rider pay for any roads to be built or upkeep to be done on them? Answer: Never. It is the car/van/lorry driver that pays for the upkeep and building of roads and quite frankly, I am sick of horse riders and cyclists using the roads carelessly. You only have to drive round Tong, Wilsden, Allerton, Thornton to see horse riders blocking the roads by riding in next to each other and sometimes in a row of three across the road rather than in single file. And dont get me started on cyclists, on Sunday morning at the bottom of Manchester Road, two clists riding next to each other causing me to slow down as I could not ovrtake due to traffic on the inside. When I pipped at them, and eventually got past, I got a sarcastic wave - I bet if I had clipped one on the way past, they would change their ways. It is about time that these people are either made to pay tax as car drivers are, or are made to be insured to ride on the roads - that would stop most of them from doing so. Who pays if a horse/cyclist cause damage to your car by not using the roads correctly?? People talk above about educating drivers, but wh educates cylists and horse riders. What experience of the roads does the lad in the story have - he is barely old enough to drive, so how much experience/knowledge of the roads and the laws of the roads does he have. Granted the people in the van should have stopped and checked and obviously have no morals or care but the high and mighty cyclist/horse riders need to take a long hard look at themselves in the mirror and authrities should enforce training and education on them also. Finally, I would also like to point out that if you hit my car with your bike or horse when you are not riding correctly (single file), and I have to claim on my insurance, then I will take you to court for every extra cost!!
All road users sould be taxed and insured - and people should have to pass tests to use them no matter what transportation you have.

As both a car drive and Horse rider, I hold the British horse society rider and road safety certificate, your rant about riding in anything other than single file is wrong, you are taught that if deemed it is safer to ride 2 abreast then it is totally legal, and the only time you have to ride single file is around a bend in the road or at a junction. Also it is some times safer with a younger horse to have it shielded by an older quieter horse.
The only place it is illegal to ride is on a pavement, and yes you can get an on the spot fine. I hate riding on the roads but generally have to so I can get to the bridle ways.

beardedclam wrote:
It's about time that horses were prevented from walking on roads in England with the exception of private roads. Another unnecessary hazard that can put lives at risk. The same applies for the idiots in mobility scooters who also use roads rather than pavements.

Yes horses were on the roads first, and no the riders don't pay road tax, but some two way consideration has to come in to this. Horses should be ridden sensibly, but if a car gets too close and is going too fast the driver might like to consider who is going to come off worst if the horse throws a wobbly and rears up or jumps sideways and lands on the car! By the same token all responsible riders should have insurance in case of the above mentioned scenario. I am a driver and always drive cautiously near horses as they are so unpredictable, but I also have family members who ride horses and tell frequent stories of the stupidity of certain car drivers. It won't hold you up more than a few seconds to slow down for horses, and might just prevent you getting a dented car - or worse!

beardedclam wrote:
It's about time that horses were prevented from walking on roads in England with the exception of private roads.
Another unnecessary hazard that can put lives at risk.


The same applies for the idiots in mobility scooters who also use roads rather than pavements.

That is probably the most idiotic comment I have ever seen on here in my entire life. You are an absolute wan ker. You must have sh1t for brains.

Crookshanks wrote:
This guy gives riders a bad name. Well known locally for riding like an absolute idiot. I feel sorry for any horse he rides.

I feel sorry for your mother.

Anyone who drives a car into someone and then fails to even stop deserves to be hung.

A Casual Observer wrote:
Anyone who drives a car into someone and then fails to even stop deserves to be hung.

...on a rusty nail by the gonads.

The police do not bother to investigate crashes even when they have the number plate of the person involved. A woman from our work was turning into the road and was hit by an asian driver overtaking 4 cars on the wrong side of the road, even though several witnesses gave the registration number the police have done nothing. And another asian guy stopped and gave the woman the others drivers number, and when she phoned him he asked not to get the police involved as he wasn't insured! She told the police and they haven't shown one iota of interest in this at all. This city is gradually becoming lawless, with a police force more interested in making money (speed cameras) then stopping crime!

I am a driver with a full UK license, who actually pays tax and insurance. I am also a rider with a riding and road safety certificate and insurance.
I would like to hear suggestions where I can ride my horse without ever setting foot on the roads? It cannot actually be done!
I always ride sensibly on thr roads, but am rarely met with any consideration from drivers. I have had my youngster boxed between a driver and parked car for the sake of cutting 3 seconds from a journey. I have had car tail my horses revving their engines. I have had people on pedal and motor bikes deliberately try to scare my horse into running into the road.
I'm not saying that all drivers are bad. Or that it only happens on horses. As a driver, only last week I was cut up at least 9 times by people not understanding or choosing to ignore the highway code.
All it needs it a liitle consideration from all parties. Taking a few seconds to think about what you're doing, no matter your choice of transport would make the roads a lot safer.

beardedclam wrote:
It's about time that horses were prevented from walking on roads in England with the exception of private roads.
Another unnecessary hazard that can put lives at risk.


The same applies for the idiots in mobility scooters who also use roads rather than pavements.

Remember horses have been around longer than cars!
And unfortunately riding on roads is unavoidable to most horse riders and i remember being told by 2 police officers to ride 2 abreast for safety on main roads...youve probably noticed mounted police do the same.
Car drivers should be more aware of horses on the road a section on how to approach and pass horses should be written into the driving test ...some car drivers are hazards in themselves...please pass horses wide and slow!

shaunp2112 wrote:

megan123horses wrote:
have all the people moaning about horses bieng on the road ever heard the saying horses were made for roads and cars were made for motoways. horses were there before cars and just because your in a car u think your it and you own the road well reality check YOU DONT !!

what an abslutely stupid comment which I shall address with just one simple argument - when did a horse rider pay for any roads to be built or upkeep to be done on them? Answer: Never. It is the car/van/lorry driver that pays for the upkeep and building of roads and quite frankly, I am sick of horse riders and cyclists using the roads carelessly. You only have to drive round Tong, Wilsden, Allerton, Thornton to see horse riders blocking the roads by riding in next to each other and sometimes in a row of three across the road rather than in single file. And dont get me started on cyclists, on Sunday morning at the bottom of Manchester Road, two clists riding next to each other causing me to slow down as I could not ovrtake due to traffic on the inside. When I pipped at them, and eventually got past, I got a sarcastic wave - I bet if I had clipped one on the way past, they would change their ways. It is about time that these people are either made to pay tax as car drivers are, or are made to be insured to ride on the roads - that would stop most of them from doing so. Who pays if a horse/cyclist cause damage to your car by not using the roads correctly?? People talk above about educating drivers, but wh educates cylists and horse riders. What experience of the roads does the lad in the story have - he is barely old enough to drive, so how much experience/knowledge of the roads and the laws of the roads does he have. Granted the people in the van should have stopped and checked and obviously have no morals or care but the high and mighty cyclist/horse riders need to take a long hard look at themselves in the mirror and authrities should enforce training and education on them also. Finally, I would also like to point out that if you hit my car with your bike or horse when you are not riding correctly (single file), and I have to claim on my insurance, then I will take you to court for every extra cost!!
All road users sould be taxed and insured - and people should have to pass tests to use them no matter what transportation you have.

I'd love to hear your suggestions on how to implement a monitor-able tax / insurance scheme for horses / cyclists short of stopping everyone to check for details... What you going to do. Hang a plate round the horses neck & slap a tax disk on it's arse... ;-)

I do agree that all road users should have insurance tho. I'm a regular cyclist and have public liability insurance to cover my **** if god forbid i get into an accident but the tax idea is stupid. There are so many eco cars legally on the road which pay £0 tax. The majority of the money to maintain the highways now comes on the fuel to power your cars.

JimmyShip wrote:
The police do not bother to investigate crashes even when they have the number plate of the person involved. A woman from our work was turning into the road and was hit by an asian driver overtaking 4 cars on the wrong side of the road, even though several witnesses gave the registration number the police have done nothing. And another asian guy stopped and gave the woman the others drivers number, and when she phoned him he asked not to get the police involved as he wasn't insured! She told the police and they haven't shown one iota of interest in this at all. This city is gradually becoming lawless, with a police force more interested in making money (speed cameras) then stopping crime!

The only thing the Police take any interest in seems to be Cannabis for some strange reason, not real crimes.

A Casual Observer wrote:

JimmyShip wrote: The police do not bother to investigate crashes even when they have the number plate of the person involved. A woman from our work was turning into the road and was hit by an asian driver overtaking 4 cars on the wrong side of the road, even though several witnesses gave the registration number the police have done nothing. And another asian guy stopped and gave the woman the others drivers number, and when she phoned him he asked not to get the police involved as he wasn't insured! She told the police and they haven't shown one iota of interest in this at all. This city is gradually becoming lawless, with a police force more interested in making money (speed cameras) then stopping crime!

The only thing the Police take any interest in seems to be Cannabis for some strange reason, not real crimes.

Real Crimes?

Isnt Cannabis a Class B Drug?

On the Horse issue though I agree they shoudl contribute to the upkeep of the roads if they use them...same goes for cyclists

Why are there people using horses on roads that *cars* use?
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Why is this happening in the 21st century??

megan123horses wrote:
have all the people moaning about horses bieng on the road ever heard the saying horses were made for roads and cars were made for motoways. horses were there before cars and just because your in a car u think your it and you own the road well reality check YOU DONT !!

Well actually they do. What do you think car tax is for? Horses may have a right to be on the road but they certainly don't pay for the privilege.

The Hoffster wrote:
Why are there people using horses on roads that *cars* use?
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Why is this happening in the 21st century??

Exactly the same reason as motorists.. To get where they want to be, id does not matter if there pikeys half inching metal or recreational riders heading into the woods, they will all have to use the roads at some point

Outraged English Subject wrote:
Education education education!!! The poor standards of driving in the County is laughable.

I driven all over this country including hectic London and I rate the standard of driving in Bradford to be the lowest. People here are lazy, selfish, have a bad attitude and simply lack the ability to drive.

JimmyShip wrote:
The police do not bother to investigate crashes even when they have the number plate of the person involved. A woman from our work was turning into the road and was hit by an asian driver overtaking 4 cars on the wrong side of the road, even though several witnesses gave the registration number the police have done nothing. And another asian guy stopped and gave the woman the others drivers number, and when she phoned him he asked not to get the police involved as he wasn't insured! She told the police and they haven't shown one iota of interest in this at all. This city is gradually becoming lawless, with a police force more interested in making money (speed cameras) then stopping crime!

Even if I believed this anecdotal BS - which I don't, what has the ethnicity of the driver to do with it? Another poorly-veiled attempt to crowbar the racist angle into a totally unrelated story. It's about a horse rider being hit by a vehicle. Try and keep on topic.
Also the motorcyclist taking the moral high-ground on here - REALLY? You might want to preach to your 2-wheeled bretheren first. Absolute maniacs some of them. I hope they carry donor cards.

The thing that winds me up about horse riders - why take on traffic, if you know its peak time and you will undoubtably cause disruption ?
I travel home through Wilsden on an evening, single lane traffic, always busy, and guaranteed once / twice a week, there will be horses and riders hogging the entire road, blocking through traffic both ways. Fair enough - use the roads when they are quiet, but if you know that certain areas are going to be busy, and cars / lorries / busses will potentially upset your animals - then why not avoid those areas ?

Andy2010 wrote:

A Casual Observer wrote:

JimmyShip wrote: The police do not bother to investigate crashes even when they have the number plate of the person involved. A woman from our work was turning into the road and was hit by an asian driver overtaking 4 cars on the wrong side of the road, even though several witnesses gave the registration number the police have done nothing. And another asian guy stopped and gave the woman the others drivers number, and when she phoned him he asked not to get the police involved as he wasn't insured! She told the police and they haven't shown one iota of interest in this at all. This city is gradually becoming lawless, with a police force more interested in making money (speed cameras) then stopping crime!

The only thing the Police take any interest in seems to be Cannabis for some strange reason, not real crimes.

Real Crimes? Isnt Cannabis a Class B Drug? On the Horse issue though I agree they shoudl contribute to the upkeep of the roads if they use them...same goes for cyclists

Car tax is based emissions. When I'm riding my bike my emissions are zero, unless i've had a curry the night before

Farsley Bantam wrote:

Andy2010 wrote:

A Casual Observer wrote:

JimmyShip wrote: The police do not bother to investigate crashes even when they have the number plate of the person involved. A woman from our work was turning into the road and was hit by an asian driver overtaking 4 cars on the wrong side of the road, even though several witnesses gave the registration number the police have done nothing. And another asian guy stopped and gave the woman the others drivers number, and when she phoned him he asked not to get the police involved as he wasn't insured! She told the police and they haven't shown one iota of interest in this at all. This city is gradually becoming lawless, with a police force more interested in making money (speed cameras) then stopping crime!

The only thing the Police take any interest in seems to be Cannabis for some strange reason, not real crimes.

Real Crimes? Isnt Cannabis a Class B Drug? On the Horse issue though I agree they shoudl contribute to the upkeep of the roads if they use them...same goes for cyclists

Car tax is based emissions. When I'm riding my bike my emissions are zero, unless i've had a curry the night before

Im fully aware of that through tax on fuel, VAT insurance etc car drivers pay over and over again for the use of the roads.

Cyclists and Horse Riders pay nothing and think they own the road. Indeed recently every cyclist Ive come across seems to be under the illusion they are Bradley Wiggins

as a car driver and a horse rider i believe all horse riders should carry insurance and have passed a road safety test. it would be nice if people learning to drive were taught to be extra aware of other rd users and taught what hand signals were.
the car driver who hit this horse and rider needs finding by the sound of it he left not knowing what the outcome of this accident was? it could easily have been a lot worse.
it really is a shame that all riders and drivers can not show each other common curtesy on the rds. a little bit of patience goes a long way, and a smile/wave really does help.

I live in the U.S. state of Wyoming.The Cowboy State. I have had many close calls of my own with idiot drivers along the country roads I have to ride along. Usually, the lack of attention they are paying to the road and what may be on it besides themselves is directly related to having their cell(mobile) phone in use while trying to get to where they are going as fast as they can. While so engaged, they seem to have lost all forward vision, and cannot see past the hood of their car/truck/van.
I have had 2 horses bumped on purpose. While standing in their own pasture along the fence, they have had glass bottles thrown at them, injuring one of them badly enough she needed sutures on her face.
It a lack of respect for any other person's property, and for that matter, their individual space.
Horses have a place in the world, even though drivers seem to think otherwise. I try to ride as far to the side of the road as possible.I have access to open country 5 miles from my house, and the only way to get there without trailering is to ride the roadside.I also ride the 2 miles to town to pick up my mail and go to the bank at least once a week, and that is along paved road. With the price of gasoline as high as it is, I have to save what I can to help pay for feed, and riding to town when I can helps.
Drivers need to use courtesy on the roads, and so do we riders.
Here, horses still have real jobs to do working cattle, transporting hunters' camps into wilderness areas, and just getting into the wide open spaces, being my substitute legs go further than I can walk on my own.
And, my horses help me retain my mental health just by being there.
My favorite quote is " The outside of a horse is good for the inside of the man." by Winston Churchill
Respect, people. Respect for each other, respect for our rights of way in this world. And a lot of courtesy wouldn't hurt either!

Farsley Bantam wrote:

Andy2010 wrote:

A Casual Observer wrote:

JimmyShip wrote: The police do not bother to investigate crashes even when they have the number plate of the person involved. A woman from our work was turning into the road and was hit by an asian driver overtaking 4 cars on the wrong side of the road, even though several witnesses gave the registration number the police have done nothing. And another asian guy stopped and gave the woman the others drivers number, and when she phoned him he asked not to get the police involved as he wasn't insured! She told the police and they haven't shown one iota of interest in this at all. This city is gradually becoming lawless, with a police force more interested in making money (speed cameras) then stopping crime!

The only thing the Police take any interest in seems to be Cannabis for some strange reason, not real crimes.

Real Crimes? Isnt Cannabis a Class B Drug? On the Horse issue though I agree they shoudl contribute to the upkeep of the roads if they use them...same goes for cyclists

Car tax is based emissions. When I'm riding my bike my emissions are zero, unless i've had a curry the night before

I'm sick of this cyclists have zero emisions line. Because it's demonstratably just not true, and it shows what a sad state public scientific knowledge is these days. Even if you're a super fit cyclist your efficency at turning chemical energy from your food into the say 600watts of mechanical work neccessary to move the bike is gonna max out at about 12%, Compare to a small 1.2kW moped with say about 24% efficiency, you'll be outputing the same amount of C02 as that moped. If you're taking the road tax =emisions line you should be paying road tax a the same rate as that moped.

Horse riders don't *like* being on roads, but you have to go on roads to get to the nice places to ride.
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Sometimes there's a good place to ride & someone slaps a bloody great road through it. Roads wouldn't even exist if it weren't for horses, would they?
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People who have horses generally have cars too, as you need to have a car to get to where you keep your horse. It's right that there are selfish people around, some ride horses while most drive.
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You can't say that all horse riders are selfish & ignore the laws of the roads - some do, as do some drivers.
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They're idiots. But just as riders need to be aware of precisely whom will come off worst in the event of a horse / vehicle collision, vehicle drivers need to know that in collisions with horses, the driver can be killed. Half a ton or more of horse coming through you windscreen, with steel-clad hooves thrashing about too, to sit on your lap can do quite a lot of damage to a soft, squishy driver.

I'm afraid, Andy2010 and Shaunp1212, that your belief that roads are paid for out of your Vehicle Excise duty are sadly well short of the mark.

The VED is just another tax and roads are paid for out of general taxation by, amongst others, horseriders, cyclists and pedestrians out of their income tax, VAT, duties on wine and spirits, etc., etc.

As for the emissions argument. If subject to VED, cyclists would pay the same as Citroen C1s, electric vehicles and other low or zero emission vehicles. It would also be highly unlikely that even the likes of Bradley Wiggins could output 600 watts for more than a very short length of time, so the comparison is absurd, especially as it seems to imply that moped riders hold their breath while riding

And on the subject of insurance, many people's household insurance covers them for 3rd party incidents, and members of the CTC and British Cycling are covered for, IIRC, about £2m (or maybe more - I'd have to check).

I hope this incident wont affect the insurance premiums of Mr Shehzad trading as Manchester Road taxis

GPS tracking systems on every vehicle, that is the only solution along with driver-less cars; people just cannot be trusted to drive safely, not just for their own safety, but those around them as well.

This will stop people from speeding, and when an incident occurs you know which vehicles were nearby, police can access the database and get a list of suspect in seconds.

Come on now, very few complained about all these silly "terror" laws which give you no safety at all; so how about bringing these into practice where they will make everyone safer?!

Red Pony wrote:
I live in the U.S. state of Wyoming.The Cowboy State. I have had many close calls of my own with idiot drivers along the country roads I have to ride along. Usually, the lack of attention they are paying to the road and what may be on it besides themselves is directly related to having their cell(mobile) phone in use while trying to get to where they are going as fast as they can. While so engaged, they seem to have lost all forward vision, and cannot see past the hood of their car/truck/van.
I have had 2 horses bumped on purpose. While standing in their own pasture along the fence, they have had glass bottles thrown at them, injuring one of them badly enough she needed sutures on her face.
It a lack of respect for any other person's property, and for that matter, their individual space.
Horses have a place in the world, even though drivers seem to think otherwise. I try to ride as far to the side of the road as possible.I have access to open country 5 miles from my house, and the only way to get there without trailering is to ride the roadside.I also ride the 2 miles to town to pick up my mail and go to the bank at least once a week, and that is along paved road. With the price of gasoline as high as it is, I have to save what I can to help pay for feed, and riding to town when I can helps.
Drivers need to use courtesy on the roads, and so do we riders.
Here, horses still have real jobs to do working cattle, transporting hunters' camps into wilderness areas, and just getting into the wide open spaces, being my substitute legs go further than I can walk on my own.
And, my horses help me retain my mental health just by being there.
My favorite quote is " The outside of a horse is good for the inside of the man." by Winston Churchill
Respect, people. Respect for each other, respect for our rights of way in this world. And a lot of courtesy wouldn't hurt either!

The sort of people who would deliberately drive into a horse, or would throw glass bottles at them, deserves to be shot, and if I were you I would get a gun and do just that.

The Hoffster wrote:
Why are there people using horses on roads that *cars* use?
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Why is this happening in the 21st century??

LOL silly. You got it the wrong way around! WHY ARE THERE PEOPLE USING CARS ON ROADS THAT HORSES USE?

TirNaNog wrote:

JimmyShip wrote:
The police do not bother to investigate crashes even when they have the number plate of the person involved. A woman from our work was turning into the road and was hit by an asian driver overtaking 4 cars on the wrong side of the road, even though several witnesses gave the registration number the police have done nothing. And another asian guy stopped and gave the woman the others drivers number, and when she phoned him he asked not to get the police involved as he wasn't insured! She told the police and they haven't shown one iota of interest in this at all. This city is gradually becoming lawless, with a police force more interested in making money (speed cameras) then stopping crime!

Even if I believed this anecdotal BS - which I don't, what has the ethnicity of the driver to do with it? Another poorly-veiled attempt to crowbar the racist angle into a totally unrelated story. It's about a horse rider being hit by a vehicle. Try and keep on topic.
Also the motorcyclist taking the moral high-ground on here - REALLY? You might want to preach to your 2-wheeled bretheren first. Absolute maniacs some of them. I hope they carry donor cards.

I beg your pardon? Speaking as someone who safely rode motorcycles for 30+ years I can say with all certainty that it is mostly the car drivers who are maniacs!

A Casual Observer wrote:

The Hoffster wrote:
Why are there people using horses on roads that *cars* use?
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Why is this happening in the 21st century??

LOL silly. You got it the wrong way around! WHY ARE THERE PEOPLE USING CARS ON ROADS THAT HORSES USE?

totally agree, i ride my motorbike every day to work in bradford, and probably come close to accident at least twice a week coming home along the A650 from town to bingley, very dangerous place to ride or drive a car even, was it not for my job, i would go nowhere near town or its peripherals"ever", its a sh--thole anyway.

A Casual Observer wrote:
Anyone who drives a car into someone and then fails to even stop deserves to be hung.

Your wife reckons I am.

A Casual Observer wrote:

Red Pony wrote:
I live in the U.S. state of Wyoming.The Cowboy State. I have had many close calls of my own with idiot drivers along the country roads I have to ride along. Usually, the lack of attention they are paying to the road and what may be on it besides themselves is directly related to having their cell(mobile) phone in use while trying to get to where they are going as fast as they can. While so engaged, they seem to have lost all forward vision, and cannot see past the hood of their car/truck/van.
I have had 2 horses bumped on purpose. While standing in their own pasture along the fence, they have had glass bottles thrown at them, injuring one of them badly enough she needed sutures on her face.
It a lack of respect for any other person's property, and for that matter, their individual space.
Horses have a place in the world, even though drivers seem to think otherwise. I try to ride as far to the side of the road as possible.I have access to open country 5 miles from my house, and the only way to get there without trailering is to ride the roadside.I also ride the 2 miles to town to pick up my mail and go to the bank at least once a week, and that is along paved road. With the price of gasoline as high as it is, I have to save what I can to help pay for feed, and riding to town when I can helps.
Drivers need to use courtesy on the roads, and so do we riders.
Here, horses still have real jobs to do working cattle, transporting hunters' camps into wilderness areas, and just getting into the wide open spaces, being my substitute legs go further than I can walk on my own.
And, my horses help me retain my mental health just by being there.
My favorite quote is " The outside of a horse is good for the inside of the man." by Winston Churchill
Respect, people. Respect for each other, respect for our rights of way in this world. And a lot of courtesy wouldn't hurt either!

The sort of people who would deliberately drive into a horse, or would throw glass bottles at them, deserves to be shot, and if I were you I would get a gun and do just that.

I have many guns, but shooting them would be a waste of ammunition. I would prefer to be able to catch them in the act, or get a good description of them, and have the sheriff arrest them. There is a lack of personal responsibility being taught to the the younger generation in their homes and churches. Public flogging would maybe help?

Smell the coffee wrote:

Outraged English Subject wrote:
Education education education!!! The poor standards of driving in the County is laughable.

I driven all over this country including hectic London and I rate the standard of driving in Bradford to be the lowest. People here are lazy, selfish, have a bad attitude and simply lack the ability to drive.

I totally agree with you, Smell the coffe. It is even worse than the standards of Russia and most of the eastern european countries. This is mainly due to certain sections of the community who do not have valid driving licences, insurance and further more do not have any cares about what or who they inconvenience, or whose lives they put at risk, with their errant driving. Unfotunately, for some reason, the police do not want to get involved in putting a stop to this.

Horse riders were paying tolls long before anyone had a car.
The highway is there for all to use not just petrol heads.
it is a highway for all to use, not for people to arrogantly take over as if it is their own private get there quick track.
When i get too old to driveIthink i will get a horse.

shaunp2112 wrote:

megan123horses wrote:
have all the people moaning about horses bieng on the road ever heard the saying horses were made for roads and cars were made for motoways. horses were there before cars and just because your in a car u think your it and you own the road well reality check YOU DONT !!

what an abslutely stupid comment which I shall address with just one simple argument - when did a horse rider pay for any roads to be built or upkeep to be done on them? Answer: Never. It is the car/van/lorry driver that pays for the upkeep and building of roads and quite frankly, I am sick of horse riders and cyclists using the roads carelessly. You only have to drive round Tong, Wilsden, Allerton, Thornton to see horse riders blocking the roads by riding in next to each other and sometimes in a row of three across the road rather than in single file. And dont get me started on cyclists, on Sunday morning at the bottom of Manchester Road, two clists riding next to each other causing me to slow down as I could not ovrtake due to traffic on the inside. When I pipped at them, and eventually got past, I got a sarcastic wave - I bet if I had clipped one on the way past, they would change their ways. It is about time that these people are either made to pay tax as car drivers are, or are made to be insured to ride on the roads - that would stop most of them from doing so. Who pays if a horse/cyclist cause damage to your car by not using the roads correctly?? People talk above about educating drivers, but wh educates cylists and horse riders. What experience of the roads does the lad in the story have - he is barely old enough to drive, so how much experience/knowledge of the roads and the laws of the roads does he have. Granted the people in the van should have stopped and checked and obviously have no morals or care but the high and mighty cyclist/horse riders need to take a long hard look at themselves in the mirror and authrities should enforce training and education on them also. Finally, I would also like to point out that if you hit my car with your bike or horse when you are not riding correctly (single file), and I have to claim on my insurance, then I will take you to court for every extra cost!!
All road users sould be taxed and insured - and people should have to pass tests to use them no matter what transportation you have.

You obviuosly have no knowledge of horse riders!
I am a horse rider and a car driver and I have insurance to cover myself and a 3rd party if I am involved in an accident whilst riding, as I am sure are 90% of the riders out there!! How many car drivers drive without insurance and even a driving licence?? Quite a lot I would think!!
If you check the Highway Code you will see that Horse Riders are allowed to ride two a breast and are advised to do so by the British Horse Society to ensure they are more visible to other road users.
Why can't people just share the roads and have some thought and consideration for all those who want to use them?