Bradford hospital chiefs give up on smoking ban in grounds (From Bradford Telegraph and Argus)

Its awful - I was on the heart ward recently and all the smokerers stand by the main entrance so the smoke all comes in the ward - and at night people coming off the wards to smoke wakes you up - when I was in there a bloke kept waking me up coughing and smoking - not the best thing when you are ill yourself - they should be more strict and stop it off. Its sickening to see people who have obviously had limbs removed still wheeling themselves out to smoke - which is probably why they are in there in the first place. A total ban is the only way.Most smokers are ignorant and dont care where they smoke or where the smoke goes as long as they feed their habit.

I visit the hospital frequently for treatment and some smokers still stand at the entrance despite there being a shelter. As a COPD sufferer I find it very distressing to have to walk through clouds of smoke. If patients choose to leave the ward to smoke they should be considered has having left the hospital and treatment should be discontinued. Visitors who smoke should be told to leave the grounds.

Nothing they can do with selfish smoker's I suffer with bad asthma and these people are so up themselves you cannot get it through to them what it means to someone who needs to avoid such pollution. My solution is fixed penalty fines imposed by the police do it every month and it will stop these selfish sods.

To quote from the Bradford Teaching Hospitals appointment form:-"By choosing to be treated at Bradford Teaching Hospitals, a smoke-free organisation, you have agreed not to smoke in any of the hospital buildings and grounds".
If you choose to smoke you should be denied treatment.

Whoisevans? wrote:
Nothing they can do with selfish smoker's I suffer with bad asthma and these people are so up themselves you cannot get it through to them what it means to someone who needs to avoid such pollution. My solution is fixed penalty fines imposed by the police do it every month and it will stop these selfish sods.

Smokers are entitled to their freedom as well you know!

Having said that, I'm a smoker but I respect those who don't smoke and I've never had a cig on the steps of the main entrance as that’s just plain inconsiderate. As for the shelter, well it was daft of the BRI to take it down in the first place; they'd have had more clout of enforcing a ban around the proximity of the entrance by having a shelter nearby so they should have left the original one in the first place.

"Now, in response to a rising number of complaints, hospital bosses have decided to re-introduce smoking shelters."

How about responding to the complaints by getting security to kick them off the premises? This response is a bit like getting rid of speed limits because everybody ignores them.

These people are either visitors/staff who are too lazy to walk to the site boundary or they're patients that are having the excellent care of the NHS wasted on them.
Either way it makes me sick that NHS funds have been spent on them in these hard times.

Smokers add billions to the economy, far outstripping the cost to the health service, and selflessly die early reducing pension outgoings. It's smokers paying for your treatment.

Time you pink-lunged scaredy cats got a bit of respect.


:-)

Smokers pay more tax, end of story.

vax2002 wrote:
Smokers pay more tax, end of story.

If we are judging what is acceptable behaviour based on tax generation, does that mean that bankers or footballers can stand outside hospitals committing whatever unsociable activities they want because they 'pay more tax'?
Or the unemployed are limited to what they're allowed to do because 'they pay less tax'?

Bradford hospital chiefs should be lobbying the government for a change in the smoking ban and for warm separate indoor smoking areas to be provided in hospitals.

Health chiefs know that all the anti smoking propaganda is no more than a social engineering project, no one has been proved to be harmed or died from a few wisps of smoke.

If they are still concerned forced air ventilation systems provide an unquestionable solution.

Lets hear from Bradford's smoke free operatives and the hospital chiefs why will you not press for safe separate indoor smoking areas.? why are you still persisting in persecuting smokers? you are supposed to be a caring profession.

Have Bradford banned all vehicles from their sites, this is one area where vehicle fumes have been proved to be more than detrimental to health, you picture clearly shows motor vehicles polluting the air around members of the public?.

Surely the hospital has a duty of care to all it,s patients. We have just endured the worst summer,regarding the weather, that I can ever remember. Put things in perspective. How healthy is it for anyone to be standing outside, bearing the brunt of fierce downpours, high winds and low temperatures.
A wisp of cigarette smoke, outside, is hardly relevant compared to the risk of flu, bronchitis or pneumonia. Common sense has prevailed. Unfortunately there will be some selfish nasty individuals who will still whinge, even when they are not affected.

I see the pro-smoking lobbyists have arrived.
The hospital shouldn't condone smoking at all, anyone smoking within it's periphery should be ejected.

The health service has never condoned smoking but were tolerant just as society was once tolerant.

The health service along with any organisation that receives Government funds are being used as social engineering pawns to eradicate or engineer areas that they dislike.

Its not the job of the health service to act as the policeman of social engineering politics, the health providers job is compassion to all.

As already stated "Lets hear from Bradford's smoke free operatives and the hospital chiefs why will you not press for safe separate indoor smoking areas.? why are you still persisting in persecuting smokers? you are supposed to be a caring profession".

What measures are you taking to protect smokers from second hand car exhaust discharge.

Nitro wrote:
The health service has never condoned smoking but were tolerant just as society was once tolerant.

The health service along with any organisation that receives Government funds are being used as social engineering pawns to eradicate or engineer areas that they dislike.

Its not the job of the health service to act as the policeman of social engineering politics, the health providers job is compassion to all.

As already stated "Lets hear from Bradford's smoke free operatives and the hospital chiefs why will you not press for safe separate indoor smoking areas.? why are you still persisting in persecuting smokers? you are supposed to be a caring profession".

What measures are you taking to protect smokers from second hand car exhaust discharge.

Smoking indoors in a place that is available to the public is illegal, they will never set up such areas.

The smoking ban is ridiculous and unworkable, glad the Hospital has seen sense.

A Casual Observer wrote:
The smoking ban is ridiculous and unworkable, glad the Hospital has seen sense.

http://www.undpi.am/
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Bans or restrictions are now all over the world and getting more stringent in most cases.

Albion. wrote:

Nitro wrote:
The health service has never condoned smoking but were tolerant just as society was once tolerant.

The health service along with any organisation that receives Government funds are being used as social engineering pawns to eradicate or engineer areas that they dislike.

Its not the job of the health service to act as the policeman of social engineering politics, the health providers job is compassion to all.

As already stated "Lets hear from Bradford's smoke free operatives and the hospital chiefs why will you not press for safe separate indoor smoking areas.? why are you still persisting in persecuting smokers? you are supposed to be a caring profession".

What measures are you taking to protect smokers from second hand car exhaust discharge.

Smoking indoors in a place that is available to the public is illegal, they will never set up such areas.

Smoking indoors in public places is only illegal due to those ill informed bigoted social engineers and this legislation has only been in place for an exceedingly short space of time.

It is only a matter of time before smoking in indoor public places becomes the norm again.

The pretence that people suddenly drop dead due to so called second hand smoke is a fallacy along with the multitude of other fake ailments that the social engineers try to brainwash people with.

The RCP the governments pointer beacon do not have any record of anyone person dying from so called second hand smoke, its even been tested in the European courts and they threw the case out.

With indoor forced air ventilation systems in place and this is an unquestionable solution for all, a few wisps of smoke is no problem at all these units deal with biological and nuclear solutions,

The barrage of lies and miss information on smoking is non sustainable and the smoking ban will fall apart, it already is, the cracks are there, its only a matter of time.

Those in the health service know this unfortunately at the moment they are implementing policies that are out of their control.

The health service need to understand that they are there to serve the public and provide care with compassion not get embroiled in turfing out and victimising smokers, --- They should be campaigning for indoor smoking rooms for the patients and staff.

Nitro wrote:

Albion. wrote:

Nitro wrote:
The health service has never condoned smoking but were tolerant just as society was once tolerant.

The health service along with any organisation that receives Government funds are being used as social engineering pawns to eradicate or engineer areas that they dislike.

Its not the job of the health service to act as the policeman of social engineering politics, the health providers job is compassion to all.

As already stated "Lets hear from Bradford's smoke free operatives and the hospital chiefs why will you not press for safe separate indoor smoking areas.? why are you still persisting in persecuting smokers? you are supposed to be a caring profession".

What measures are you taking to protect smokers from second hand car exhaust discharge.

Smoking indoors in a place that is available to the public is illegal, they will never set up such areas.

Smoking indoors in public places is only illegal due to those ill informed bigoted social engineers and this legislation has only been in place for an exceedingly short space of time.

It is only a matter of time before smoking in indoor public places becomes the norm again.

The pretence that people suddenly drop dead due to so called second hand smoke is a fallacy along with the multitude of other fake ailments that the social engineers try to brainwash people with.

The RCP the governments pointer beacon do not have any record of anyone person dying from so called second hand smoke, its even been tested in the European courts and they threw the case out.

With indoor forced air ventilation systems in place and this is an unquestionable solution for all, a few wisps of smoke is no problem at all these units deal with biological and nuclear solutions,

The barrage of lies and miss information on smoking is non sustainable and the smoking ban will fall apart, it already is, the cracks are there, its only a matter of time.

Those in the health service know this unfortunately at the moment they are implementing policies that are out of their control.

The health service need to understand that they are there to serve the public and provide care with compassion not get embroiled in turfing out and victimising smokers, --- They should be campaigning for indoor smoking rooms for the patients and staff.

Nonsense.

Albion. wrote:

Nitro wrote:

Albion. wrote:

Nitro wrote:
The health service has never condoned smoking but were tolerant just as society was once tolerant.

The health service along with any organisation that receives Government funds are being used as social engineering pawns to eradicate or engineer areas that they dislike.

Its not the job of the health service to act as the policeman of social engineering politics, the health providers job is compassion to all.

As already stated "Lets hear from Bradford's smoke free operatives and the hospital chiefs why will you not press for safe separate indoor smoking areas.? why are you still persisting in persecuting smokers? you are supposed to be a caring profession".

What measures are you taking to protect smokers from second hand car exhaust discharge.

Smoking indoors in a place that is available to the public is illegal, they will never set up such areas.

Smoking indoors in public places is only illegal due to those ill informed bigoted social engineers and this legislation has only been in place for an exceedingly short space of time.

It is only a matter of time before smoking in indoor public places becomes the norm again.

The pretence that people suddenly drop dead due to so called second hand smoke is a fallacy along with the multitude of other fake ailments that the social engineers try to brainwash people with.

The RCP the governments pointer beacon do not have any record of anyone person dying from so called second hand smoke, its even been tested in the European courts and they threw the case out.

With indoor forced air ventilation systems in place and this is an unquestionable solution for all, a few wisps of smoke is no problem at all these units deal with biological and nuclear solutions,

The barrage of lies and miss information on smoking is non sustainable and the smoking ban will fall apart, it already is, the cracks are there, its only a matter of time.

Those in the health service know this unfortunately at the moment they are implementing policies that are out of their control.

The health service need to understand that they are there to serve the public and provide care with compassion not get embroiled in turfing out and victimising smokers, --- They should be campaigning for indoor smoking rooms for the patients and staff.

Nonsense.

Although it may upset a few people that have been brainwashed its all true and not nonsense at all.

The technology is already in place in hospital ventilation systems.

I challenge any one at Bradford RI or the associated Smokefee branch to provide any evidence to the contrary.

I am a smoker myself and I work for the NHS, but I do find it very annoying when you are leaving the main entrance to have all these people standing about smoking and you can't get passed them. Also staff do go to the area in which they are allowed to smoke, you don't see staff standing at the door smoking. As for banning it completley thats ok for those that have never smoked or is a ex-smoker to say, I have tried several times to stop, but have only lasted a few months not smoking ( I do hope to succeed one day), sometimes its nice to get off the ward and have a cig to unstress. I don't think that smokers should have indoor rooms where they can go to smoke. But as someone said previously smokers help the goverment in taxes as we pay the highest taxes than any where else in Europe.

Yet another NHS hospital has seen commonsense. They know that they cannot enforce any such policy as smoking is not illegal in open public areas. The shelter will help to keep smokers away from entrances.

chas wrote:
Yet another NHS hospital has seen commonsense. They know that they cannot enforce any such policy as smoking is not illegal in open public areas. The shelter will help to keep smokers away from entrances.

It may be legal in open public areas to smoke, but not on NHS grounds.

Huneybunch wrote:

chas wrote: Yet another NHS hospital has seen commonsense. They know that they cannot enforce any such policy as smoking is not illegal in open public areas. The shelter will help to keep smokers away from entrances.

It may be legal in open public areas to smoke, but not on NHS grounds.

The NHS is a public company. It is owned by the public and the grounds are also owned by the public.