Residents speak out over short cut roadwork by Bradford Council

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Controversial plans to close a “rat-run” through a Bradford estate have been criticised as “pointless” by some residents, including one woman who has lived there since it opened 55 years ago.

The experimental closure would involve placing bollards to block off St Margaret’s Avenue, in Holme Wood , which is used as a short cut by drivers dodging snarl-ups on Tong Street.

This would prevent them reaching Broadstone Way – the major part of a popular rush-hour shortcut.

But some residents claim the disruption caused to ordinary life would outweigh any claimed safety benefits.

Geraldine Parker arrived at Holme Wood as a four-year-old when her family moved into one of the very first homes – before the roads were even completed.

Having lived there ever since and helped run the estate’s Toy Library service for 24 years, she believes barricading St Margaret’s Avenue would have no effect on overall problems.

“I can’t see why they need to shut it off – it’s a pointless idea,” said Mrs Parker.

“I can’t remember any serious accidents on that road ever. St Margaret’s only gets blocked up for three quarters of an hour in the morning and afternoon when people take or collect children from the primary school.

“It’s just going to make life more difficult for everyone who lives here and anyone who knows the estate will just find another way to link up with Broadstone Way.

“Traffic is a problem and there are more cars, congestion and idiots, but it’s always going to be that way.

“What are they going to do? They can’t close off all the roads.”

Her daughter Kath, 26, agreed: “I don’t think it will make any difference at all. My friends know all the other ways through the estate.”

At a meeting to discuss the plan, residents told councillors and officers that:

* school-time traffic would be made worse

* speeders along Broadstone Way would no longer slow at the St Margaret’s Avenue junction were it to be closed

* The real problem was Tong Street with its 2-plus lane and badly-timed traffic lights.

But Holme Wood vicar, the Reverend Steve Davie, said he welcomed any attempted improvement.

“Admittedly I’ve only been here since March, but Holme Wood is a community – not just a cut-through to somewhere else,” said Mr Davie, of St Christopher’s C of E Church.

“I can sympathise with parents on St Margaret’s Avenue whose children play on the road and who want to stop the boy racers and those cutting through.

“So I think the engineers need freedom to try something and see if it works.”

But Mr Davie said he also suffered the frustrations of Tong Street – and confessed to using short-cuts himself.

“I tried to get through it the other day and it was so bad that I just gave up and used a back-street way I know,” he said.

Speaking at the forum meeting with residents in July, Bradford Council’s principal traffic and highways engineer Darren Badrock said the proposed temporary closure would be for six to 18 months and recognised concerns from residents about the risk of accidents.

The plan will be discussed at a Bradford South Area Committee meeting tomorrow. If approved, work on the scheme could start in November.

Comments(17)

webess says...
9:23am Tue 25 Sep 12

Pretty typical of the Highways Dept. They seem to take public money and make the roads even more dangerous and congested.

The new traffic lights on Harrogate Road by the co-op are a case in point. There's now long queues leading up to the junction.

I can't see any good emanating from this department, can't they simply be disbanded and the money used elsewhere?

TirNaNog says...
9:27am Tue 25 Sep 12

There are already traffic calming measures on St Margarets and a resident of 50 odd years can't remember any serious accidents but is totally ignored by Mr Badrock (Sounds like someone out of The Flintstones!) Much better to listen to a Vicar who doesn't actually live anywhere near St Margarets albeit for a good 6 months.
Perhaps he can pray for the welfare of the kids lower down Knowles Lane when the traffic starts coming through there.
Outsiders telling the community what's best for them - don't you just love it?

Talulah82 says...
10:19am Tue 25 Sep 12

This is point,ess becaus ethey will then go down the smaller side streets or continue onto knowles lane and up broadstone way! St Margarets is busy on a night and yes i do use it as it is the quickest way form me to get home as i live on maddison avenue, I fthey want to help then they need to put bumps or somethinig else to control the speed of the drivers that then fly down maddison avenue and then up/Down Holme Lane! I have seen more accidents on Holme Lane that on St Margarets!

ertnec says...
10:38am Tue 25 Sep 12

Yes we all understand that Tong Street is bad with hold ups and slow traffic and the Council are doing all there can to address this unless approx £2million or more is found very little will change and theirs more important things to find funding for then one road. Those people who have commented about St Margaret s Ave need to come and try live here, traffic all day cuts through wagons and buses included many doing well over the speed limit. Around 6 am the traffic starts and gets busier and busier to a point were you can't go out of your garden without thinking someone is going to run you and your kids down, no we haven't had any serious accidents but speaking to others who live on here well over £7,000 of damage to cars etc from idiots speeding past or trying to dodge each other. The closure is only going to be temporey lets just give it a go and see the out come.

tallulah says...
11:39am Tue 25 Sep 12

The traffic will still persist in this area as long as the huge lorries block up Tong St. They use Tong St as a cut through too. They should use the M606 as it was intended. Tong St should be a 7.5 tonne limit and half of these problems would be solved. Blocking St Margarets would only make the other streets busier. As for damage to cars etc on St Margarets, maybe a lot of the residents should park in their drives and not block the bollard areas where the narrowed areas are. They always cause obstructions.

bradfordgirl says...
11:41am Tue 25 Sep 12

I have lived on St Margarets Avenue for many years and was at the meeting about the propsed closure of the street. I too can't see any benefit in this for myself or the other residents . The traffic has increased recently but has been caused by the introduction of the supposedly traffic calming measures at the junction of Tong Street and Knowles Lane. The time usually taken to get from Dudley Hill roundabout to St Margarets Avenue at 'peak time 'was 2-3 minutes depending on the traffic lights.The average time at these same times is now 15 to 20 minutes. Is it any wonder St Margarets Avenue is so busy when people queue so long to get that far and they know they can cut off a sizeabke chunk of Tong Street but cutting through? The highways department need to accept they have made a mistake by introducing these measures and remedy them rather than punishing the residents of St Margarets Avenue but closing off the road.

bradfordgirl says...
11:43am Tue 25 Sep 12

Thats true Tallulah but when residents park in their drives they are blocked in by parents taking their children to school.

angry bradfordian says...
11:52am Tue 25 Sep 12

I'd ask the question I always think when I read stories like this:

How many of the people who want traffic calming measures in their street could say hand on heart that they've never used a rat run or broken the speed limit in somebody else's neighbourhood?
If they can't then they've got no right to expect others not to use their street.

tallulah says...
12:22pm Tue 25 Sep 12

bradfordgirl wrote:
Thats true Tallulah but when residents park in their drives they are blocked in by parents taking their children to school.
Then there needs to be enforcement to stop them blocking drives. It's nothing to do with rush hour traffic cutting through?

Lillian76 says...
1:59pm Tue 25 Sep 12

Having lived on St Margarets Avenue for last 36 years I can tell you that this scheme is ridiculous and the reason the cars speed on there is to get through the bollards before the other car. They should remove these so 2 cars can pass each other. Parents taking their kids to St columbus should use the car park provided and not double park on the avenue, blocking peoples drives. Has for accident I can remember 1 about 25 years ago when a child was knocked down. I have not heard anything about damaged cars an mine has never been damaged. What does a Vicar who lives at the other end of the estate and only been here for 6 months know. Does he not listen to his community.

Lillian76 says...
2:00pm Tue 25 Sep 12

Having lived on St Margarets Avenue for last 36 years I can tell you that this scheme is ridiculous and the reason the cars speed on there is to get through the bollards before the other car. They should remove these so 2 cars can pass each other. Parents taking their kids to St columbus should use the car park provided and not double park on the avenue, blocking peoples drives. Has for accident I can remember 1 about 25 years ago when a child was knocked down. I have not heard anything about damaged cars an mine has never been damaged. What does a Vicar who lives at the other end of the estate and only been here for 6 months know. Does he not listen to his community.

vax2002 says...
2:30pm Tue 25 Sep 12

Closing a road will always reduce traffic on it, a bit like shooting someone ill will cure them.
Who put these idiots in charge ?

m.r.c says...
4:47pm Tue 25 Sep 12

Deal with the cause not the effects. Over 40 years ago properties were bulldozed along the western side of Tong Street so the road could be widen, we are still waiting. Wasting time and money (I would think the cost will easily be in five figures to bollard off the road) to try and solve a non existent issue. I would have thought the Darren Badrock would have more pressing issues than this!

whoflungdung says...
9:04am Wed 26 Sep 12

Just allow the horses to wander - that will keep the cars off the road!!!

Talulah82 says...
2:08pm Wed 26 Sep 12

tallulah wrote:
bradfordgirl wrote: Thats true Tallulah but when residents park in their drives they are blocked in by parents taking their children to school.
Then there needs to be enforcement to stop them blocking drives. It's nothing to do with rush hour traffic cutting through?
The radio was saying bradford police are cracking down on illegal parking outside school. I work opposite a school on a busy road and i have not yet seen one community officer never mind one that can hand out penalties!

As for the calming mesures, as what has been said before the changes to dudly hill have just made the traffic back up more, what is in place on st margarets just means that people put there foot down to get through before the oncomming car! They really needed to be bumps or have right of way signs. and better parking for the school so both tong street and st margarets isnt blocked by parents dropping children off.

As for putting a weight limit on Tong street it will cut down some of the traffic but it is mainly cars and busses causing the jams at peak times.

Lillian76 says...
1:44pm Thu 27 Sep 12

We do not need nor want speed bumps any more than we want the road blocking off causing us more cost in fuel. The problem of tong street needs addressing and the removal of the bollards. I would like to know how many people complained actually lived on the avenue and how many opposed lives on the avenue. I'm sure the 2nd far out weighs the first.

Lillian76 says...
7:02am Sat 29 Sep 12

Scheme approved, Yet again the councilors ignore our wishes and concern. Typical Council Ignore the real problem.

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