'All viable options open' after Odeon deal collapses

Bradford Telegraph and Argus: HCA executive director David Curtis at the Odeon site in Bradford HCA executive director David Curtis at the Odeon site in Bradford

A key city centre site is once again up for grabs after the dramatic collapse of a long-standing deal to redevelop the former Odeon.

But both the owner of the Prince’s Way building, the Government’s Homes and Communities Agency, and the leader of Bradford Council, warned yesterday that any new scheme must be “commercially viable” for it to progress.

It follows the announcement from the HCA, which inherited the building a year ago this week, that it had terminated a legal agreement with developer Langtree, spelling the end of the £40 million New Victoria Place development.

The company had wanted to demolish the 1930s building to create offices, a hotel and apartments.

The HCA has ruled Langtree has failed to comply with the terms of the development agreement after it called for more time to market the scheme to potential occupants.

David Curtis, HCA executive director for the North East, Yorkshire and The Humber, confirmed it would offer the building to the Council, but Government approval would be needed before any transfer could take place.

He also said that “all options were open” – restoration, partial retention or demolition and redevelopment – and that he expected the building’s future to be determined within 12 months.

Council leader, Councillor David Green , said, however, that given the current financial situation and funding cuts to the Council, the authority had no money to buy the building from the HCA, but it was originally bought with public money and he would discuss its transfer with the HCA.

It comes three months after the HCA first signed a vital Section 106 agreement, which Langtree was expected to add its signature to before passing the document to the Council to seal. This would have given valid planning permission for the development as well as conservation area consent to demolish the building, including its iconic twin towers.

But the sticking point appears to have been Langtree’s reluctance to trigger an eight-month period in the development agreement in which it would have to prove it had a viable scheme in place as well as tenants and the finances before it could proceed to demolition.

Langtree responded yesterday saying it had been put in an impossible situation. Its chief executive John Downes, said the development agreement signed in 2007 imposed additional obligations that, given the current market, were not practical.

The news of the building’s reprieve – however temporary – has been welcomed by those campaigning to save it who say it gives renewed hope that it can be permanently saved.

Norman Littlewood, chairman of Bradford Odeon Rescue Group, which has been campaigning for almost a decade, said: “It’s very good news and we feel that it is down to the very hard work of all BORG members and supporting Bradfordians. It just shows the strength of people power.

“It’s probably one of the longest campaigns in history and is to be welcomed that in our tenth year of campaigning we should see this reprieve.”

The group added that it was looking forward to working alongside the HCA to ensure that all representations that look to refurbish the existing Odeon building are given full and proper consideration.

Mr Curtis said: “Since assuming ownership for the building a year ago, we’ve been working hard to look after the building, remove potentially fatal asbestos and resolve the complex legal issues surrounding the plans for its future.

“We know the Bradford public has been frustrated at the uncertainty surrounding the building – and we’ve been frustrated too.

“When it was clear that the developer wasn’t prepared to meet the obligation to commence with the New Victoria scheme we decided to terminate the agreement.

“We haven’t taken this decision lightly and it won’t be a simple task to resolve the building’s future. But we’re determined to secure a viable outcome for the site and we’ll work with the Council and local community to find a solution that meets their ambitions for the city centre.”

He added that Langtree wanted to extend the eight month period, but that the HCA was not prepared to agree to this as it would change the terms of the original development agreement it inherited when it took over the building from Yorkshire Forward.

In that time Mr Curtis confirmed it had spent more than £1 million on the building, making it safe and removing asbestos.

Coun Green said he was “delighted” the situation could now lead all or part of the 1930s building being saved.

“I am pleased that we have closed this particular chapter on the Odeon which gives us the opportunity to rethink the future of the building,” he said.

“We will be speaking to the Homes and Communities Agency about all the issues relating to the Odeon, including future ownership.

“What I hope it will agree to is that we can now go out to all those groups and individuals who have indicated that they have viable and sustainable alternative plans for the building to ask them to bring forward their business cases so they can be reviewed and we can assess whether any can be progressed.

“I would hope to be meeting the HCA in the near future and to be able to come to an agreement along these lines so that those individuals and organisations with alternative plans will know the timescale in which they have to prepare their business cases. I would hope that one or more of these schemes can be taken forward to the next stage.

“I have consistently stated the view of the Labour group that we would want to see all or as much of the building as possible being retained in a viable and sustainable scheme and this now gives the opportunity for this.”

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7:59am Fri 21 Sep 12

Siouxie says...

At last! at least its a bit of a victory.
At last! at least its a bit of a victory. Siouxie
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8:29am Fri 21 Sep 12

Joedavid says...

Council should follow the HCA lead and do the same with Westfield - terminate them.
Council should follow the HCA lead and do the same with Westfield - terminate them. Joedavid
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8:32am Fri 21 Sep 12

Joedavid says...

How come the T&A has become so supported of the Odeon overnight?
They have seemed so negative over the past years and allways said Site as if the Odeon had alllready gone.
How come the T&A has become so supported of the Odeon overnight? They have seemed so negative over the past years and allways said Site as if the Odeon had alllready gone. Joedavid
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8:33am Fri 21 Sep 12

Avro says...

All options are open, which includes it being demolished because of not being viable!

Given the time that BORG have had to date, I would have thought they would already have a viable plan in waiting, because if they don't move fast it will be beyond saving!
All options are open, which includes it being demolished because of not being viable! Given the time that BORG have had to date, I would have thought they would already have a viable plan in waiting, because if they don't move fast it will be beyond saving! Avro
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8:39am Fri 21 Sep 12

JAtkinson says...

Joedavid wrote:
How come the T&A has become so supported of the Odeon overnight?
They have seemed so negative over the past years and allways said Site as if the Odeon had alllready gone.
Local paper leading from the rear :-)
[quote][p][bold]Joedavid[/bold] wrote: How come the T&A has become so supported of the Odeon overnight? They have seemed so negative over the past years and allways said Site as if the Odeon had alllready gone.[/p][/quote]Local paper leading from the rear :-) JAtkinson
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8:53am Fri 21 Sep 12

vax2002 says...

Joedavid wrote:
How come the T&A has become so supported of the Odeon overnight?
They have seemed so negative over the past years and allways said Site as if the Odeon had alllready gone.
Because it was owned by Yorkshire forward who had a huge advertising budget.
Papers exist to sell advertising they are commercial organisations.
They do not bite the hand that feeds them.
[quote][p][bold]Joedavid[/bold] wrote: How come the T&A has become so supported of the Odeon overnight? They have seemed so negative over the past years and allways said Site as if the Odeon had alllready gone.[/p][/quote]Because it was owned by Yorkshire forward who had a huge advertising budget. Papers exist to sell advertising they are commercial organisations. They do not bite the hand that feeds them. vax2002
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8:57am Fri 21 Sep 12

vax2002 says...

The staring in to the sunset picture, really naff, think you need a new photographer T+A, one that can engage with subjects with creativity.
This is NCTJ photographers for you, all paper work and no experience or imagination .
The quality of the photography is dismal and uninteresting.
The staring in to the sunset picture, really naff, think you need a new photographer T+A, one that can engage with subjects with creativity. This is NCTJ photographers for you, all paper work and no experience or imagination . The quality of the photography is dismal and uninteresting. vax2002
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10:16am Fri 21 Sep 12

mad matt says...

Errrrm - just one question - WHO is going to pay for all the very expensive renovation work?
Errrrm - just one question - WHO is going to pay for all the very expensive renovation work? mad matt
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10:16am Fri 21 Sep 12

Albion. says...

vax2002 wrote:
The staring in to the sunset picture, really naff, think you need a new photographer T+A, one that can engage with subjects with creativity.
This is NCTJ photographers for you, all paper work and no experience or imagination .
The quality of the photography is dismal and uninteresting.
With that wrapping on it, the Odeon looks "dismal and uninteresting".
I would like it to become some sort of entertainment venue to compliment the Alhambra.
[quote][p][bold]vax2002[/bold] wrote: The staring in to the sunset picture, really naff, think you need a new photographer T+A, one that can engage with subjects with creativity. This is NCTJ photographers for you, all paper work and no experience or imagination . The quality of the photography is dismal and uninteresting.[/p][/quote]With that wrapping on it, the Odeon looks "dismal and uninteresting". I would like it to become some sort of entertainment venue to compliment the Alhambra. Albion.
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10:17am Fri 21 Sep 12

Albion. says...

mad matt wrote:
Errrrm - just one question - WHO is going to pay for all the very expensive renovation work?
It's open to offers.
[quote][p][bold]mad matt[/bold] wrote: Errrrm - just one question - WHO is going to pay for all the very expensive renovation work?[/p][/quote]It's open to offers. Albion.
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10:44am Fri 21 Sep 12

mad matt says...

Albion. wrote:
mad matt wrote:
Errrrm - just one question - WHO is going to pay for all the very expensive renovation work?
It's open to offers.
Well I hope it doesn't fall on the council-tax payers!
[quote][p][bold]Albion.[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]mad matt[/bold] wrote: Errrrm - just one question - WHO is going to pay for all the very expensive renovation work?[/p][/quote]It's open to offers.[/p][/quote]Well I hope it doesn't fall on the council-tax payers! mad matt
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10:46am Fri 21 Sep 12

kellyh1981 says...

It would be great as a o2 academy type venue similiar to the one in leeds.
It would be great as a o2 academy type venue similiar to the one in leeds. kellyh1981
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10:55am Fri 21 Sep 12

Yorkshire Lass says...

Here we go again. How can this be good news for anyone when the debacle has been ongoing for twelve years and now back to square one. Is anyone going to take responsibility for the funding already spent on this white elephant or is more and more going to be wasted? Answers are needed quickly now or will it take more than another decade to be sorted. The incompetence is unreal.
Here we go again. How can this be good news for anyone when the debacle has been ongoing for twelve years and now back to square one. Is anyone going to take responsibility for the funding already spent on this white elephant or is more and more going to be wasted? Answers are needed quickly now or will it take more than another decade to be sorted. The incompetence is unreal. Yorkshire Lass
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10:58am Fri 21 Sep 12

edinhosdad says...

A pat on the back to those who saved this decaying building which once was jewel in our crown. Now lets see how many takers there are with a spare £10-20million who are prepared to invest in returning this building to its former glory. Of course they would want a return on their money, unless we can get lottery money which I doubt. The best option I can think of is Bradford College moving into this building (once its been re-built) as sadly I cannot see no other viable commercial option. My bet is that we will still having this debate in 10 years time. Welcome to the world of austerity.
A pat on the back to those who saved this decaying building which once was jewel in our crown. Now lets see how many takers there are with a spare £10-20million who are prepared to invest in returning this building to its former glory. Of course they would want a return on their money, unless we can get lottery money which I doubt. The best option I can think of is Bradford College moving into this building (once its been re-built) as sadly I cannot see no other viable commercial option. My bet is that we will still having this debate in 10 years time. Welcome to the world of austerity. edinhosdad
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11:02am Fri 21 Sep 12

MontyLeMar says...

To be honest, the Odeon is just a sideshow in the future of Bradford. It is that Hole in the ground which needs sorting first.

Bradford sits between two of the most vibrant cities in the north - Leeds and Manchester. Bradford could boom if the government decided to electrify the line between Leeds and Manchester. They should shut Forster Square and Exchange stations and build a new station in the Hole and to hell with Westfield. Without something as dramatic as that Bradford's future, with or without the Odeon, is one of steady decline.

Leeds is beginning to come alive again according to one article in the YEP so Bradford should act to take advantage. The government want big infrastructure projects to boost the economy, electrification between Leeds and Manchester could be one of them.
To be honest, the Odeon is just a sideshow in the future of Bradford. It is that Hole in the ground which needs sorting first. Bradford sits between two of the most vibrant cities in the north - Leeds and Manchester. Bradford could boom if the government decided to electrify the line between Leeds and Manchester. They should shut Forster Square and Exchange stations and build a new station in the Hole and to hell with Westfield. Without something as dramatic as that Bradford's future, with or without the Odeon, is one of steady decline. Leeds is beginning to come alive again according to one article in the YEP so Bradford should act to take advantage. The government want big infrastructure projects to boost the economy, electrification between Leeds and Manchester could be one of them. MontyLeMar
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12:03pm Fri 21 Sep 12

alfucham says...

MontyLeMar wrote:
To be honest, the Odeon is just a sideshow in the future of Bradford. It is that Hole in the ground which needs sorting first. Bradford sits between two of the most vibrant cities in the north - Leeds and Manchester. Bradford could boom if the government decided to electrify the line between Leeds and Manchester. They should shut Forster Square and Exchange stations and build a new station in the Hole and to hell with Westfield. Without something as dramatic as that Bradford's future, with or without the Odeon, is one of steady decline. Leeds is beginning to come alive again according to one article in the YEP so Bradford should act to take advantage. The government want big infrastructure projects to boost the economy, electrification between Leeds and Manchester could be one of them.
Good idea about the station and link this should have been done in the 40"s and was a bug bear for all business back then.
[quote][p][bold]MontyLeMar[/bold] wrote: To be honest, the Odeon is just a sideshow in the future of Bradford. It is that Hole in the ground which needs sorting first. Bradford sits between two of the most vibrant cities in the north - Leeds and Manchester. Bradford could boom if the government decided to electrify the line between Leeds and Manchester. They should shut Forster Square and Exchange stations and build a new station in the Hole and to hell with Westfield. Without something as dramatic as that Bradford's future, with or without the Odeon, is one of steady decline. Leeds is beginning to come alive again according to one article in the YEP so Bradford should act to take advantage. The government want big infrastructure projects to boost the economy, electrification between Leeds and Manchester could be one of them.[/p][/quote]Good idea about the station and link this should have been done in the 40"s and was a bug bear for all business back then. alfucham
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12:07pm Fri 21 Sep 12

alfucham says...

Call on David Hockney.

10 million to him will be a spit.

trouble is he is as disparaging about the city fathers and grandfathers as we all are.

A truly memorable arts centre could be his legacy.

His dad was a Bradford Park Avenue supporter.Tremendous
.

Come on David give us your legacy to our once fine city.

Remember what your great friend acheived with Salts without much council support 25 years ago on.
Call on David Hockney. 10 million to him will be a spit. trouble is he is as disparaging about the city fathers and grandfathers as we all are. A truly memorable arts centre could be his legacy. His dad was a Bradford Park Avenue supporter.Tremendous . Come on David give us your legacy to our once fine city. Remember what your great friend acheived with Salts without much council support 25 years ago on. alfucham
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12:16pm Fri 21 Sep 12

alfucham says...

I note in another article the National Media Museum are axing film matinees where an average of 16 attended.

So not much viability in a restored stand alone cinema.

Of course tyhe viability would still ber more than the Art Galery opposite the Odeon put up and council funded.

When taking my little girl after it opened I was shocked at the 5 staff and in an hour me and my bored stupid little girl were the only visitors.

Good job well done with taxpayer funds by the council there though.

I did not think ther arts were economically viable.

They stand to support other economic interests as Tourism and feel good that Salts showed can then attract companies to be surrounded by pleasing environment.

No doubt we will still be pursuing putting up an Olympic Swim pool where nobody lives and in a no go area as some buffoonery suggestion from our errant council a couple of years ago.Sums them up really.
I note in another article the National Media Museum are axing film matinees where an average of 16 attended. So not much viability in a restored stand alone cinema. Of course tyhe viability would still ber more than the Art Galery opposite the Odeon put up and council funded. When taking my little girl after it opened I was shocked at the 5 staff and in an hour me and my bored stupid little girl were the only visitors. Good job well done with taxpayer funds by the council there though. I did not think ther arts were economically viable. They stand to support other economic interests as Tourism and feel good that Salts showed can then attract companies to be surrounded by pleasing environment. No doubt we will still be pursuing putting up an Olympic Swim pool where nobody lives and in a no go area as some buffoonery suggestion from our errant council a couple of years ago.Sums them up really. alfucham
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1:09pm Fri 21 Sep 12

Avro says...

JAtkinson wrote:
Joedavid wrote:
How come the T&A has become so supported of the Odeon overnight?
They have seemed so negative over the past years and allways said Site as if the Odeon had alllready gone.
Local paper leading from the rear :-)
Don't you mean that the local paper does not was a concert venue on that site as they have their own master plan for an expanded St Georges concert venue..
[quote][p][bold]JAtkinson[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Joedavid[/bold] wrote: How come the T&A has become so supported of the Odeon overnight? They have seemed so negative over the past years and allways said Site as if the Odeon had alllready gone.[/p][/quote]Local paper leading from the rear :-)[/p][/quote]Don't you mean that the local paper does not was a concert venue on that site as they have their own master plan for an expanded St Georges concert venue.. Avro
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1:19pm Fri 21 Sep 12

Avro says...

Yorkshire Lass wrote:
Here we go again. How can this be good news for anyone when the debacle has been ongoing for twelve years and now back to square one. Is anyone going to take responsibility for the funding already spent on this white elephant or is more and more going to be wasted? Answers are needed quickly now or will it take more than another decade to be sorted. The incompetence is unreal.
Correct, 12 years of nothing and back to square one, this is not progress its disasterous because it has lost the only developer prepared to do something with it, that's not to saying that what they had in mind was right, but that 12 years has generated nothing else!
[quote][p][bold]Yorkshire Lass[/bold] wrote: Here we go again. How can this be good news for anyone when the debacle has been ongoing for twelve years and now back to square one. Is anyone going to take responsibility for the funding already spent on this white elephant or is more and more going to be wasted? Answers are needed quickly now or will it take more than another decade to be sorted. The incompetence is unreal.[/p][/quote]Correct, 12 years of nothing and back to square one, this is not progress its disasterous because it has lost the only developer prepared to do something with it, that's not to saying that what they had in mind was right, but that 12 years has generated nothing else! Avro
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1:35pm Fri 21 Sep 12

Albion. says...

Avro wrote:
Yorkshire Lass wrote:
Here we go again. How can this be good news for anyone when the debacle has been ongoing for twelve years and now back to square one. Is anyone going to take responsibility for the funding already spent on this white elephant or is more and more going to be wasted? Answers are needed quickly now or will it take more than another decade to be sorted. The incompetence is unreal.
Correct, 12 years of nothing and back to square one, this is not progress its disasterous because it has lost the only developer prepared to do something with it, that's not to saying that what they had in mind was right, but that 12 years has generated nothing else!
Any other potential developers were not given the opportunity, hopefully there are some.
[quote][p][bold]Avro[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Yorkshire Lass[/bold] wrote: Here we go again. How can this be good news for anyone when the debacle has been ongoing for twelve years and now back to square one. Is anyone going to take responsibility for the funding already spent on this white elephant or is more and more going to be wasted? Answers are needed quickly now or will it take more than another decade to be sorted. The incompetence is unreal.[/p][/quote]Correct, 12 years of nothing and back to square one, this is not progress its disasterous because it has lost the only developer prepared to do something with it, that's not to saying that what they had in mind was right, but that 12 years has generated nothing else![/p][/quote]Any other potential developers were not given the opportunity, hopefully there are some. Albion.
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3:03pm Fri 21 Sep 12

Mr Perks says...

vax2002 wrote:
Joedavid wrote:
How come the T&A has become so supported of the Odeon overnight?
They have seemed so negative over the past years and allways said Site as if the Odeon had alllready gone.
Because it was owned by Yorkshire forward who had a huge advertising budget.
Papers exist to sell advertising they are commercial organisations.
They do not bite the hand that feeds them.
The reason why the T&A weren't so very supportive of saving the Odeon in the past was far, far more 'murkier' than simple advertising revenue. They had a vested interest in it becoming offices/apartments and not an entertainment venue.
[quote][p][bold]vax2002[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Joedavid[/bold] wrote: How come the T&A has become so supported of the Odeon overnight? They have seemed so negative over the past years and allways said Site as if the Odeon had alllready gone.[/p][/quote]Because it was owned by Yorkshire forward who had a huge advertising budget. Papers exist to sell advertising they are commercial organisations. They do not bite the hand that feeds them.[/p][/quote]The reason why the T&A weren't so very supportive of saving the Odeon in the past was far, far more 'murkier' than simple advertising revenue. They had a vested interest in it becoming offices/apartments and not an entertainment venue. Mr Perks
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4:03pm Fri 21 Sep 12

modman61 says...

Here we go again, 12 years down the line and we are no further forward. Now we will waste another 10 years just talking. That is the only thing the council is good at. What we want is action and sooner rather than later.
Here we go again, 12 years down the line and we are no further forward. Now we will waste another 10 years just talking. That is the only thing the council is good at. What we want is action and sooner rather than later. modman61
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4:55pm Fri 21 Sep 12

mad matt says...

MontyLeMar wrote:
To be honest, the Odeon is just a sideshow in the future of Bradford. It is that Hole in the ground which needs sorting first.

Bradford sits between two of the most vibrant cities in the north - Leeds and Manchester. Bradford could boom if the government decided to electrify the line between Leeds and Manchester. They should shut Forster Square and Exchange stations and build a new station in the Hole and to hell with Westfield. Without something as dramatic as that Bradford's future, with or without the Odeon, is one of steady decline.

Leeds is beginning to come alive again according to one article in the YEP so Bradford should act to take advantage. The government want big infrastructure projects to boost the economy, electrification between Leeds and Manchester could be one of them.
I put in a suggestion about this exact idea with a new station above the westfield shopping centre - it was completely ignored - not even an acknowlegement. It woulldn't be difficult to de either.
[quote][p][bold]MontyLeMar[/bold] wrote: To be honest, the Odeon is just a sideshow in the future of Bradford. It is that Hole in the ground which needs sorting first. Bradford sits between two of the most vibrant cities in the north - Leeds and Manchester. Bradford could boom if the government decided to electrify the line between Leeds and Manchester. They should shut Forster Square and Exchange stations and build a new station in the Hole and to hell with Westfield. Without something as dramatic as that Bradford's future, with or without the Odeon, is one of steady decline. Leeds is beginning to come alive again according to one article in the YEP so Bradford should act to take advantage. The government want big infrastructure projects to boost the economy, electrification between Leeds and Manchester could be one of them.[/p][/quote]I put in a suggestion about this exact idea with a new station above the westfield shopping centre - it was completely ignored - not even an acknowlegement. It woulldn't be difficult to de either. mad matt
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5:22pm Fri 21 Sep 12

bcfc1903 says...

Bradford is crying for a new world class concert,art and conference hall/centre, surely even our no vision and inept council can see that. If these over paid numpties can't grasp this simple equation, then I guess they'd rather see folk trapse off to Sheffield, Manchester and Leeds, and spend their hard earned cash (earned in Bradford and distict) in those places.

Just been to the City Park which was very busy with various stalls and exhibitions in all things curry. Now let's get footfall in the evenings sorted through a refurbished Odeon.
Bradford is crying for a new world class concert,art and conference hall/centre, surely even our no vision and inept council can see that. If these over paid numpties can't grasp this simple equation, then I guess they'd rather see folk trapse off to Sheffield, Manchester and Leeds, and spend their hard earned cash (earned in Bradford and distict) in those places. Just been to the City Park which was very busy with various stalls and exhibitions in all things curry. Now let's get footfall in the evenings sorted through a refurbished Odeon. bcfc1903
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5:48pm Fri 21 Sep 12

Clowny says...

Albion. wrote:
Avro wrote:
Yorkshire Lass wrote:
Here we go again. How can this be good news for anyone when the debacle has been ongoing for twelve years and now back to square one. Is anyone going to take responsibility for the funding already spent on this white elephant or is more and more going to be wasted? Answers are needed quickly now or will it take more than another decade to be sorted. The incompetence is unreal.
Correct, 12 years of nothing and back to square one, this is not progress its disasterous because it has lost the only developer prepared to do something with it, that's not to saying that what they had in mind was right, but that 12 years has generated nothing else!
Any other potential developers were not given the opportunity, hopefully there are some.
Correct, the only schemes the council would allow involved demolition.

Look at the past demolitions, Swan Arcade now a largely empty and ugly concrete block. We can't afford to repeat the same mistakes again.

One of the few things going for Bradford as a selling point is it's heritage. Restore it, actually market the fact The Beatles played there, that alone would secure you Japanese tourists! If it was restored as an o2 Academy or similar, it's musical history would be a draw for contemporary musicians as well.

We've already got more hotels and well over 700 apartments in construction so we do not need a new build. A new build would rob us of heritage, memories and identity in the city centre, something you can't put a price on.
[quote][p][bold]Albion.[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Avro[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Yorkshire Lass[/bold] wrote: Here we go again. How can this be good news for anyone when the debacle has been ongoing for twelve years and now back to square one. Is anyone going to take responsibility for the funding already spent on this white elephant or is more and more going to be wasted? Answers are needed quickly now or will it take more than another decade to be sorted. The incompetence is unreal.[/p][/quote]Correct, 12 years of nothing and back to square one, this is not progress its disasterous because it has lost the only developer prepared to do something with it, that's not to saying that what they had in mind was right, but that 12 years has generated nothing else![/p][/quote]Any other potential developers were not given the opportunity, hopefully there are some.[/p][/quote]Correct, the only schemes the council would allow involved demolition. Look at the past demolitions, Swan Arcade now a largely empty and ugly concrete block. We can't afford to repeat the same mistakes again. One of the few things going for Bradford as a selling point is it's heritage. Restore it, actually market the fact The Beatles played there, that alone would secure you Japanese tourists! If it was restored as an o2 Academy or similar, it's musical history would be a draw for contemporary musicians as well. We've already got more hotels and well over 700 apartments in construction so we do not need a new build. A new build would rob us of heritage, memories and identity in the city centre, something you can't put a price on. Clowny
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7:12pm Fri 21 Sep 12

bcfc1903 says...

What i find so sad is Yorkshire Forward wasted so much money on the building when they had cut internal drainage pipes on purpose causing water damage to the beautiful Odeon interior. An absolute outrage when the 1,000, 000 + pounds spent putting the damage caused and various other faults found right. Why didn't they simply put that money into starting to restore the building in the first place. This seems to stem from Yorkshire Forward not wanting anything to detract from the Leeds Arena, surely a 3000/3500 seat world class concert venue in Bradford could go hand in hand with the Leeds Arena, giving another world class local facility to artists that have no hope of half filling a 15,000 seat venue.
What i find so sad is Yorkshire Forward wasted so much money on the building when they had cut internal drainage pipes on purpose causing water damage to the beautiful Odeon interior. An absolute outrage when the 1,000, 000 + pounds spent putting the damage caused and various other faults found right. Why didn't they simply put that money into starting to restore the building in the first place. This seems to stem from Yorkshire Forward not wanting anything to detract from the Leeds Arena, surely a 3000/3500 seat world class concert venue in Bradford could go hand in hand with the Leeds Arena, giving another world class local facility to artists that have no hope of half filling a 15,000 seat venue. bcfc1903
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7:13pm Fri 21 Sep 12

dontbedaft says...

come on bradford council do the decent thing and buy the building. Referb it and get yourself some dignity and respect back. This could be the start of the new bradford.,,,,,,,miss this oportunity and bradford is finished
come on bradford council do the decent thing and buy the building. Referb it and get yourself some dignity and respect back. This could be the start of the new bradford.,,,,,,,miss this oportunity and bradford is finished dontbedaft
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7:23pm Fri 21 Sep 12

Albion. says...

dontbedaft wrote:
come on bradford council do the decent thing and buy the building. Referb it and get yourself some dignity and respect back. This could be the start of the new bradford.,,,,,,,miss this oportunity and bradford is finished
I shouldn't think they could afford it.
[quote][p][bold]dontbedaft[/bold] wrote: come on bradford council do the decent thing and buy the building. Referb it and get yourself some dignity and respect back. This could be the start of the new bradford.,,,,,,,miss this oportunity and bradford is finished[/p][/quote]I shouldn't think they could afford it. Albion.
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7:27am Sun 23 Sep 12

collos25 says...

Bradford and BMDC have such a reputation that no investor be it property or business gives the city a wide berth, trust has been lost on all sides mainly due to a set of MPs who are totally useless and a council so inept they could win prizes for it.
Bradford and BMDC have such a reputation that no investor be it property or business gives the city a wide berth, trust has been lost on all sides mainly due to a set of MPs who are totally useless and a council so inept they could win prizes for it. collos25
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