‘Devastation’ at Morrisons jobs’ bombshell (From Bradford Telegraph and Argus)

Steam Pigs wrote:
I assume all the above would rather pay more for grocery shopping at Morrisons and keep these people employed in Bradford??

Somehow I think not

Sentiment has no place in business

Steam Pigs wrote:
I assume all the above would rather pay more for grocery shopping at Morrisons and keep these people employed in Bradford?? Somehow I think not Sentiment has no place in business

vax2002 wrote:
Is this a camera phone picture ?

albert2003 wrote:
had enough of " please Mr Gee-off I am ringing you today", NO ITS GEOFF, pronounded JEFF, " O, thank you for that Mr GEE_OFF, , my reply was F-OFF

shikran wrote:

vax2002 wrote: Is this a camera phone picture ?

Yep, terrible photo. Have the T&A given their photographers the boot to improve the bottom line?

BigFigure wrote:
Love the photo and the caption! Naff in the extreme

Walruss wrote:
It really is astounding that this company, whose success in the early days can in part be attributed to the hard working (and lowly paid) people of Bradford, is now turning it's back on many loyal staff members.

I'd be interested to hear how those being retained are redeployed.

Joedavid wrote:
We can't afford Morrisons high prices and shop at Tesco, the reciept we enter into the Tesco web site and they compare the prices we paid with other supermarkets prices, Morrisons is never cheaper and are highest. (Asda half the time slightly cheaper than Tesco.) Doing these tasks above such as wages which are so personal to emplyees will lead to nothing but cause problems for the employee when things go wrong you need to see people face to face to sort wages out.

The Hoffster wrote:
All those bleating on about how the customers 'made' Morrisons.
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Well, no-one forced you to buy their goods.
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:)

Freda's mum wrote:
Sorry Jonsay but your second paragraph is not quite right. The CCEO does have other "fingers in the pie", for which he receives remuneration.
I also take exception of being accused of making a statement "littered with untruths"
By the way, these jobs will come to an end at Christmas. Reminds me of the Dickins saying "Happy Christmas to one and all"

angry bradfordian wrote:
If anybody from Morrison's management happens to read this, I won't be shopping in your supermarket again.

Lancashire Bantam wrote:
I was born in Bradford and now live in Lancashire for the past fifteen years and have always shopped at Morrisons as it is a Bradford firm.YOU WILL GET NO MORE SUPPORT FROM MY FAMILY,your a discrace to the city,shame on you.

The Hoffster wrote:
The thing is, even if the majority of posters on here don't shop at Morrisons anymore, there'll be many more that will.
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Sad but true.

Parz wrote:

Steam Pigs wrote:
I assume all the above would rather pay more for grocery shopping at Morrisons and keep these people employed in Bradford?? Somehow I think not Sentiment has no place in business

First sensible comment on here!

You don't go into business to make friends, you go into business to make money. If it's motivated by greed then so be it.

You think Lord Sugar hires the Apprentice he likes most or the one he thinks is going to make him the most money? And the same with the Dragon's Den. It's not 'disgraceful', it's good business sense.

That being said, I do still feel for the people made redundant, especially those that have been there 30 years or however long. That's got to suck!

Avro wrote:

Walruss wrote:
It really is astounding that this company, whose success in the early days can in part be attributed to the hard working (and lowly paid) people of Bradford, is now turning it's back on many loyal staff members.

I'd be interested to hear how those being retained are redeployed.

A good look at the demise of Grattan is a good example, the Ingleby Rd HO has all but been demolished.... another sad case of a Bradford based company having moved on and left Bradford behind, even the old Morrions HO has now gone and without takers for it.

vax2002 wrote:
Morrisons are the whispering tipsters to go bust in 2013, most pundits are backing away from them as failure to get in to changing markets has left them vulnerable to competition.
Shedding jobs only enforces the views.
If you have any shares, think about getting shut.

Johsay wrote:
TUPE does not apply to:


transfers of undertakings situated outside the UK.

So that's not the case is it? They can't be TUPE'd?

lotuslover wrote:
I wont being sping in Morrisons ever again Will be moving to Asda who are creating 270 jobs in Bradford I think more f local Morrisons customers should do the same as a way of protest

missskelter wrote:
If you all stop shopping there won't that make more jobs vulnerable if sales dip again? I don't quite understand the logic in that I'm afraid.

angry bradfordian wrote:
If anybody from Morrison's management happens to read this, I won't be shopping in your supermarket again.

Bredon Bantam wrote:
post » Dale Martin says...
11:52am Sat 22 Sep 12

Looking at the five year summary of results for Wm Morrisons below I find it impossible to see any other reason than greed for this “departmental shake-up” which is going to cost 145 people their jobs.
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The recession seems to have made no difference to their boardroom at all, year on year since 2008 their turnover, gross profit and operating profit rises heftily on the previous year, indeed you could say from their perspective “what recession?”, during the year 2011/2012 they actually during the depth of recession made more profit before taxation, up £73million on the previous year from £874million in 2010/2011 to £947million for 2011/2012.
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The boardrooms of this country are driven by obsessive greed and this has to stop, just when will they consider enough profit to actually be enough, is there ever going to be a limit on how much they want and will there ever arrive a day when human beings are seen as anything other than acceptable collateral damage in their world of greed and obsessional accumulation of wealth?
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Above post absolutely spot on,as a former employee of 30 years plus and a current shareholder one word sums up this situation,Scandalous

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Walruss wrote:
It really is astounding that this company, whose success in the early days can in part be attributed to the hard working (and lowly paid) people of Bradford, is now turning it's back on many loyal staff members.

I'd be interested to hear how those being retained are redeployed.

ShineyDave wrote:
The job of the Board of Directors in any company is to generate profit for the shareholders. That's true of any publicly traded company so the Board are doing the job they're paid for.

And i still can't see any definitive reference that says people will be out of work at the end of this.

But by all means stop spending your money at Morrisons, when they go bust i'm sure all the citizens of Bradford who are thrown on the dole will thank you all for the stand that you've taken against capitalism.

When you look at the supply chain you have to realise that there will be many more people than just Morrisons employees affected.

reuben01 wrote:
I'm with Virgin and sometimes have to speak to a Call Centre in India, it's a nightmare!!! My last call with them the operator got annoyed with me because I couldn't understand her accent - what the hell is that about!! Massive mistake moving to India!

Avro wrote:

Walruss wrote:
It really is astounding that this company, whose success in the early days can in part be attributed to the hard working (and lowly paid) people of Bradford, is now turning it's back on many loyal staff members.

I'd be interested to hear how those being retained are redeployed.

A good look at the demise of Grattan is a good example, the Ingleby Rd HO has all but been demolished.... another sad case of a Bradford based company having moved on and left Bradford behind, even the old Morrions HO has now gone and without takers for it.

angry bradfordian wrote:
If anybody from Morrison's management happens to read this, I won't be shopping in your supermarket again.

supergreenie wrote:
This is just the start ! Morrisons will be based in London before you know it!

Steam Pigs wrote:
I assume all the above would rather pay more for grocery shopping at Morrisons and keep these people employed in Bradford??

Somehow I think not

Sentiment has no place in business

Huneybunch wrote:
So more people living on the breadline if they are not re-deployed, or made to retire. Morrisons should remember that they are where they are today because of people shopping at thier stall on the market. Also they will have to very careful when transfering data (it has to be encrypted) and will the people that are going to do the wages going to understand how it works, I am not saying that the people can-not read or write, but when I have had to speak to a call centre it takes them to understand me. Also what happens if the employees wages are wrong does that mean they have to call India? I know that Morrisons want to make a profit but surely they should put the contract out to tender to see if it can be done in this country cheaper, Oh sorry I forgot Indians work for next to nothing.

Yorkshire Lass wrote:
You can tell Sir Ken Morrison has retired and probably has little say these days. At least under Sir Ken he kept his loyalties to the Yorkshire folk, with Bradford (where his mum started off in the old John Street open market on a stall). This is the start of the downfall of Morrisons, now another greedy Company based on profits.

billalongbong wrote:

angry bradfordian wrote:
If anybody from Morrison's management happens to read this, I won't be shopping in your supermarket again.

same here back to asda for me

Lancashire Bantam wrote:
I was born in Bradford and now live in Lancashire for the past fifteen years and have always shopped at Morrisons as it is a Bradford firm.YOU WILL GET NO MORE SUPPORT FROM MY FAMILY,your a discrace to the city,shame on you.

low moor bulls wrote:
This is a disgrace, a bradford born company doing this to its staff they should me ashamed, their profits will be down im sure alot of bradford people will now, shop at rival supermarkets. Stick up for the people of bradford, and do your shopping at rival supermarkets.

otleybull wrote:
Pure greed!

Save2020 wrote:
I presume all these Indian workers will be getting a cheap flight over to the uk to spend all there wages over here so the money effectively goes back into the British economy, oh no wait..... Quick math, the average weekly wage is (apparently) around £26,000 pa, 26,000 x 145 = 3,770,000..... I dont think most employees at Morrisons earn that salary but surely that money is better staying in this country?!

Wanna Have wrote:
Greedy scum. The rich again taking jobs off the poor to further line their pockets, stuff you morrisons, I'll not shop there again.

The follower wrote:
When times are hard, character comes out. You cant be something you aren't. Morrisons is a global business and its connection to the local area has become diluted as it concentrates on growing in other areas/markets. The Wipro decision smacks of cost cutting. If true, time will show whether reducing cost in this way is a major own goal or not. Morrisons must feel it is worth the risk, although I cant say I agree. It may transpire that because the current business isn't as close to its roots as it once was, that it has seriously underestimated the impact of its decision.

A Casual Observer wrote:
Those 145 people that have just lost their jobs might now be expected to work 'voluntarily' filling shelves in Morrison's stores in exchange for their dole, as is happening to thousands of other unemployed people across the country. ASDA, TESCO, and Poundland, and others, are also taking advantage of the free labour being supplied to them via the Government's 'Work Programme' for the unemployed. Refusal to 'volunteer' could end in a loss of Benefits.

A Casual Observer wrote:
Those 145 people that have just lost their jobs might now be expected to work 'voluntarily' filling shelves in Morrison's stores in exchange for their dole, as is happening to thousands of other unemployed people across the country. ASDA, TESCO, and Poundland, and others, are also taking advantage of the free labour being supplied to them via the Government's 'Work Programme' for the unemployed. Refusal to 'volunteer' could end in a loss of Benefits.

Save2020 wrote:
I presume all these Indian workers will be getting a cheap flight over to the uk to spend all there wages over here so the money effectively goes back into the British economy, oh no wait.....
Quick math, the average weekly wage is (apparently) around £26,000 pa,
26,000 x 145 = 3,770,000.....
I dont think most employees at Morrisons earn that salary but surely that money is better staying in this country?!

KnightMcCall wrote:

A Casual Observer wrote:
Those 145 people that have just lost their jobs might now be expected to work 'voluntarily' filling shelves in Morrison's stores in exchange for their dole, as is happening to thousands of other unemployed people across the country. ASDA, TESCO, and Poundland, and others, are also taking advantage of the free labour being supplied to them via the Government's 'Work Programme' for the unemployed. Refusal to 'volunteer' could end in a loss of Benefits.

You make interesting points in your various postings but do you have an alternative option? Should people receive benefits form the UK taxpayer without doing anything in return? Is it not preferable to be doing something useful; something that shows both a willingness and an ability to work rather than watching daytime TV?

Are people in India being "exploited" given that the jobs that they are doing is giving them the chance to improve their lives. What is the alternative?

It may seem unfair from some perspectives but why would anyone be an employer unless it promised more than being an employee?

lotuslover wrote:
PURE GREED THATS ALL!

A Casual Observer wrote:

KnightMcCall wrote:

A Casual Observer wrote: Those 145 people that have just lost their jobs might now be expected to work 'voluntarily' filling shelves in Morrison's stores in exchange for their dole, as is happening to thousands of other unemployed people across the country. ASDA, TESCO, and Poundland, and others, are also taking advantage of the free labour being supplied to them via the Government's 'Work Programme' for the unemployed. Refusal to 'volunteer' could end in a loss of Benefits.

You make interesting points in your various postings but do you have an alternative option? Should people receive benefits form the UK taxpayer without doing anything in return? Is it not preferable to be doing something useful; something that shows both a willingness and an ability to work rather than watching daytime TV? Are people in India being "exploited" given that the jobs that they are doing is giving them the chance to improve their lives. What is the alternative? It may seem unfair from some perspectives but why would anyone be an employer unless it promised more than being an employee?

State Benefits are not a gift, they are a right. And I for one will most certainly NOT be doing any such activity in return for what is rightfully mine to begin with (and no, I don't watch daytime tv!). Any form of 'Workfare' is nothing but slavery. Capitalism is the problem. The alternative is the Economics of Permanence, as outlined by the economist E.F. Schumacher.

A Casual Observer wrote:

KnightMcCall wrote:

A Casual Observer wrote: Those 145 people that have just lost their jobs might now be expected to work 'voluntarily' filling shelves in Morrison's stores in exchange for their dole, as is happening to thousands of other unemployed people across the country. ASDA, TESCO, and Poundland, and others, are also taking advantage of the free labour being supplied to them via the Government's 'Work Programme' for the unemployed. Refusal to 'volunteer' could end in a loss of Benefits.

You make interesting points in your various postings but do you have an alternative option? Should people receive benefits form the UK taxpayer without doing anything in return? Is it not preferable to be doing something useful; something that shows both a willingness and an ability to work rather than watching daytime TV? Are people in India being "exploited" given that the jobs that they are doing is giving them the chance to improve their lives. What is the alternative? It may seem unfair from some perspectives but why would anyone be an employer unless it promised more than being an employee?

State Benefits are not a gift, they are a right. And I for one will most certainly NOT be doing any such activity in return for what is rightfully mine to begin with (and no, I don't watch daytime tv!). Any form of 'Workfare' is nothing but slavery. Capitalism is the problem. The alternative is the Economics of Permanence, as outlined by the economist E.F. Schumacher.

KnightMcCall wrote:

A Casual Observer wrote:

KnightMcCall wrote:

A Casual Observer wrote: Those 145 people that have just lost their jobs might now be expected to work 'voluntarily' filling shelves in Morrison's stores in exchange for their dole, as is happening to thousands of other unemployed people across the country. ASDA, TESCO, and Poundland, and others, are also taking advantage of the free labour being supplied to them via the Government's 'Work Programme' for the unemployed. Refusal to 'volunteer' could end in a loss of Benefits.

You make interesting points in your various postings but do you have an alternative option? Should people receive benefits form the UK taxpayer without doing anything in return? Is it not preferable to be doing something useful; something that shows both a willingness and an ability to work rather than watching daytime TV? Are people in India being "exploited" given that the jobs that they are doing is giving them the chance to improve their lives. What is the alternative? It may seem unfair from some perspectives but why would anyone be an employer unless it promised more than being an employee?

State Benefits are not a gift, they are a right. And I for one will most certainly NOT be doing any such activity in return for what is rightfully mine to begin with (and no, I don't watch daytime tv!). Any form of 'Workfare' is nothing but slavery. Capitalism is the problem. The alternative is the Economics of Permanence, as outlined by the economist E.F. Schumacher.

State benefits are NOT a right? They were intended to help those who were not able to help themselves. They are not an entitlement for the workshy.

Who is supposed to provide the funding for state benefits as if everyone took your view then there would be nothing in the pot. It's troubling that people are so full of what their rights are and yet have no regard to what their responsibilities are. Capitalism may be far from perfect but it is by far the best solution that anyone has come up with so far. Schumacher does not deal with Human Nature or accept that one form of energy is renewable i.e. Human Effort. If everyone was willing to put in the maximum effort then Schumacher may have a point but as long as that isn't true; Capitalism will win.

A Casual Observer wrote:

KnightMcCall wrote:

A Casual Observer wrote:

KnightMcCall wrote:

A Casual Observer wrote: Those 145 people that have just lost their jobs might now be expected to work 'voluntarily' filling shelves in Morrison's stores in exchange for their dole, as is happening to thousands of other unemployed people across the country. ASDA, TESCO, and Poundland, and others, are also taking advantage of the free labour being supplied to them via the Government's 'Work Programme' for the unemployed. Refusal to 'volunteer' could end in a loss of Benefits.

You make interesting points in your various postings but do you have an alternative option? Should people receive benefits form the UK taxpayer without doing anything in return? Is it not preferable to be doing something useful; something that shows both a willingness and an ability to work rather than watching daytime TV? Are people in India being "exploited" given that the jobs that they are doing is giving them the chance to improve their lives. What is the alternative? It may seem unfair from some perspectives but why would anyone be an employer unless it promised more than being an employee?

State Benefits are not a gift, they are a right. And I for one will most certainly NOT be doing any such activity in return for what is rightfully mine to begin with (and no, I don't watch daytime tv!). Any form of 'Workfare' is nothing but slavery. Capitalism is the problem. The alternative is the Economics of Permanence, as outlined by the economist E.F. Schumacher.

State benefits are NOT a right? They were intended to help those who were not able to help themselves. They are not an entitlement for the workshy. Who is supposed to provide the funding for state benefits as if everyone took your view then there would be nothing in the pot. It's troubling that people are so full of what their rights are and yet have no regard to what their responsibilities are. Capitalism may be far from perfect but it is by far the best solution that anyone has come up with so far. Schumacher does not deal with Human Nature or accept that one form of energy is renewable i.e. Human Effort. If everyone was willing to put in the maximum effort then Schumacher may have a point but as long as that isn't true; Capitalism will win.

OF COURSE State Benefits are a bloody right you fool! Who owns this country? Who built it? Who was it who fought in wars for this country? And who was it who stole all the land? This country became wealthy not only via the exploitation of Colonialism, but also upon the backs of the Working Class. The Industrial Revolution is over and now they owe us a living. If the rich parasites paid their way perhaps there would be something in the pot.

MrMoaner wrote:
This trickle feed of "Redundant" Jobs and the Jobs moving to India will continue until there are few jobs left at Morrison’s Head Office, but because it's a trickle feed the national press will not publicise it. Just when the nation needs to keep jobs in the country we allow these ”CEOs” to bring in the High Salaried “Middle Managers” who’s only intention is to line their pocket by pushing the work to their “CEO” and “Middle Manager” mates who run the likes of Wipro. It’s the same layer of people that have clever “Tax Avoidance” methods. The rich get richer and the under classes, “Plebeians” as the scum bag Tori’s call us are trodden into the dirt.

KnightMcCall wrote:

A Casual Observer wrote:

KnightMcCall wrote:

A Casual Observer wrote:

KnightMcCall wrote:

A Casual Observer wrote: Those 145 people that have just lost their jobs might now be expected to work 'voluntarily' filling shelves in Morrison's stores in exchange for their dole, as is happening to thousands of other unemployed people across the country. ASDA, TESCO, and Poundland, and others, are also taking advantage of the free labour being supplied to them via the Government's 'Work Programme' for the unemployed. Refusal to 'volunteer' could end in a loss of Benefits.

You make interesting points in your various postings but do you have an alternative option? Should people receive benefits form the UK taxpayer without doing anything in return? Is it not preferable to be doing something useful; something that shows both a willingness and an ability to work rather than watching daytime TV? Are people in India being "exploited" given that the jobs that they are doing is giving them the chance to improve their lives. What is the alternative? It may seem unfair from some perspectives but why would anyone be an employer unless it promised more than being an employee?

State Benefits are not a gift, they are a right. And I for one will most certainly NOT be doing any such activity in return for what is rightfully mine to begin with (and no, I don't watch daytime tv!). Any form of 'Workfare' is nothing but slavery. Capitalism is the problem. The alternative is the Economics of Permanence, as outlined by the economist E.F. Schumacher.

State benefits are NOT a right? They were intended to help those who were not able to help themselves. They are not an entitlement for the workshy. Who is supposed to provide the funding for state benefits as if everyone took your view then there would be nothing in the pot. It's troubling that people are so full of what their rights are and yet have no regard to what their responsibilities are. Capitalism may be far from perfect but it is by far the best solution that anyone has come up with so far. Schumacher does not deal with Human Nature or accept that one form of energy is renewable i.e. Human Effort. If everyone was willing to put in the maximum effort then Schumacher may have a point but as long as that isn't true; Capitalism will win.

OF COURSE State Benefits are a bloody right you fool! Who owns this country? Who built it? Who was it who fought in wars for this country? And who was it who stole all the land? This country became wealthy not only via the exploitation of Colonialism, but also upon the backs of the Working Class. The Industrial Revolution is over and now they owe us a living. If the rich parasites paid their way perhaps there would be something in the pot.

If state benefits are a right then where are mine?

Worked hard throughout the Industrial Revolution did you? Was it the Napoleonic war that you fought in?

Who exactly is it that you think are rich parasites? Is it William Morrison who has generated more tax for this country to pay your benefits then 10,000 of the "working class".

You are right on one point though; I am clearly a fool if I am working hard, generating profit and employing people just to generate the corporation tax, NI and income tax to pay the benefits of scroungers like you...

With regards to the ownership of the country; I really hope that you don't think that it's yours.

A Casual Observer wrote:

KnightMcCall wrote:

A Casual Observer wrote:

KnightMcCall wrote:

A Casual Observer wrote:

KnightMcCall wrote:

A Casual Observer wrote: Those 145 people that have just lost their jobs might now be expected to work 'voluntarily' filling shelves in Morrison's stores in exchange for their dole, as is happening to thousands of other unemployed people across the country. ASDA, TESCO, and Poundland, and others, are also taking advantage of the free labour being supplied to them via the Government's 'Work Programme' for the unemployed. Refusal to 'volunteer' could end in a loss of Benefits.

You make interesting points in your various postings but do you have an alternative option? Should people receive benefits form the UK taxpayer without doing anything in return? Is it not preferable to be doing something useful; something that shows both a willingness and an ability to work rather than watching daytime TV? Are people in India being "exploited" given that the jobs that they are doing is giving them the chance to improve their lives. What is the alternative? It may seem unfair from some perspectives but why would anyone be an employer unless it promised more than being an employee?

State Benefits are not a gift, they are a right. And I for one will most certainly NOT be doing any such activity in return for what is rightfully mine to begin with (and no, I don't watch daytime tv!). Any form of 'Workfare' is nothing but slavery. Capitalism is the problem. The alternative is the Economics of Permanence, as outlined by the economist E.F. Schumacher.

State benefits are NOT a right? They were intended to help those who were not able to help themselves. They are not an entitlement for the workshy. Who is supposed to provide the funding for state benefits as if everyone took your view then there would be nothing in the pot. It's troubling that people are so full of what their rights are and yet have no regard to what their responsibilities are. Capitalism may be far from perfect but it is by far the best solution that anyone has come up with so far. Schumacher does not deal with Human Nature or accept that one form of energy is renewable i.e. Human Effort. If everyone was willing to put in the maximum effort then Schumacher may have a point but as long as that isn't true; Capitalism will win.

OF COURSE State Benefits are a bloody right you fool! Who owns this country? Who built it? Who was it who fought in wars for this country? And who was it who stole all the land? This country became wealthy not only via the exploitation of Colonialism, but also upon the backs of the Working Class. The Industrial Revolution is over and now they owe us a living. If the rich parasites paid their way perhaps there would be something in the pot.

If state benefits are a right then where are mine? Worked hard throughout the Industrial Revolution did you? Was it the Napoleonic war that you fought in? Who exactly is it that you think are rich parasites? Is it William Morrison who has generated more tax for this country to pay your benefits then 10,000 of the "working class". You are right on one point though; I am clearly a fool if I am working hard, generating profit and employing people just to generate the corporation tax, NI and income tax to pay the benefits of scroungers like you... With regards to the ownership of the country; I really hope that you don't think that it's yours.

"If state benefits are a right then where are mine? " If and when you lose your job (which is highly likely) you can then qualify for State Benefits. If you want to claim them now then quit your job and sign on, the choice is yours. "Worked hard throughout the Industrial Revolution did you?" Yes, I worked very hard indeed throughout the 1970's and 80's, and part of the 90's. My father, grandfather and those before them also worked hard all their lives down coal mines and in mills, in between going off to fight in wars for this country, so don't you effing dare tell me that I have no inherent right to claim State Benefits. "Who exactly is it that you think are rich parasites?" The list is endless; David Cameron George Osborne Lord Ashcroft (a multi-Billionaire who pays no tax) Emma Harrison (the biggest 'Benefits Cheat' in the country, who paid herself £8.6 Million of YOUR money for doing absolutely nothing before being forced to resign) Bob Diamond (fiddled £125 Million and got away with it) and many more. "With regards to the ownership of the country; I really hope that you don't think that it's yours." Yes, oh yes, I certainly do. It is OUR country, our wealth, and our land.

KnightMcCall wrote:

A Casual Observer wrote:

KnightMcCall wrote:

A Casual Observer wrote:

KnightMcCall wrote:

A Casual Observer wrote:

KnightMcCall wrote:

A Casual Observer wrote: Those 145 people that have just lost their jobs might now be expected to work 'voluntarily' filling shelves in Morrison's stores in exchange for their dole, as is happening to thousands of other unemployed people across the country. ASDA, TESCO, and Poundland, and others, are also taking advantage of the free labour being supplied to them via the Government's 'Work Programme' for the unemployed. Refusal to 'volunteer' could end in a loss of Benefits.

You make interesting points in your various postings but do you have an alternative option? Should people receive benefits form the UK taxpayer without doing anything in return? Is it not preferable to be doing something useful; something that shows both a willingness and an ability to work rather than watching daytime TV? Are people in India being "exploited" given that the jobs that they are doing is giving them the chance to improve their lives. What is the alternative? It may seem unfair from some perspectives but why would anyone be an employer unless it promised more than being an employee?

State Benefits are not a gift, they are a right. And I for one will most certainly NOT be doing any such activity in return for what is rightfully mine to begin with (and no, I don't watch daytime tv!). Any form of 'Workfare' is nothing but slavery. Capitalism is the problem. The alternative is the Economics of Permanence, as outlined by the economist E.F. Schumacher.

State benefits are NOT a right? They were intended to help those who were not able to help themselves. They are not an entitlement for the workshy. Who is supposed to provide the funding for state benefits as if everyone took your view then there would be nothing in the pot. It's troubling that people are so full of what their rights are and yet have no regard to what their responsibilities are. Capitalism may be far from perfect but it is by far the best solution that anyone has come up with so far. Schumacher does not deal with Human Nature or accept that one form of energy is renewable i.e. Human Effort. If everyone was willing to put in the maximum effort then Schumacher may have a point but as long as that isn't true; Capitalism will win.

OF COURSE State Benefits are a bloody right you fool! Who owns this country? Who built it? Who was it who fought in wars for this country? And who was it who stole all the land? This country became wealthy not only via the exploitation of Colonialism, but also upon the backs of the Working Class. The Industrial Revolution is over and now they owe us a living. If the rich parasites paid their way perhaps there would be something in the pot.

If state benefits are a right then where are mine? Worked hard throughout the Industrial Revolution did you? Was it the Napoleonic war that you fought in? Who exactly is it that you think are rich parasites? Is it William Morrison who has generated more tax for this country to pay your benefits then 10,000 of the "working class". You are right on one point though; I am clearly a fool if I am working hard, generating profit and employing people just to generate the corporation tax, NI and income tax to pay the benefits of scroungers like you... With regards to the ownership of the country; I really hope that you don't think that it's yours.

"If state benefits are a right then where are mine? " If and when you lose your job (which is highly likely) you can then qualify for State Benefits. If you want to claim them now then quit your job and sign on, the choice is yours. "Worked hard throughout the Industrial Revolution did you?" Yes, I worked very hard indeed throughout the 1970's and 80's, and part of the 90's. My father, grandfather and those before them also worked hard all their lives down coal mines and in mills, in between going off to fight in wars for this country, so don't you effing dare tell me that I have no inherent right to claim State Benefits. "Who exactly is it that you think are rich parasites?" The list is endless; David Cameron George Osborne Lord Ashcroft (a multi-Billionaire who pays no tax) Emma Harrison (the biggest 'Benefits Cheat' in the country, who paid herself £8.6 Million of YOUR money for doing absolutely nothing before being forced to resign) Bob Diamond (fiddled £125 Million and got away with it) and many more. "With regards to the ownership of the country; I really hope that you don't think that it's yours." Yes, oh yes, I certainly do. It is OUR country, our wealth, and our land.

I imagine that your hard-working parents and grandparents would be appalled by your attitude about an "inherent right" to state benefits. Without doubt there is inequality and my great grandparents also worked down pits but thankfully, my parents got an education and enhanced themselves and gave me an opportunity to do something positive with my life; which i have. You seem to think that only the privileged few can achieve something but thankfully; in this country; anyone can achieve something if they are willing to put the effort in.

Highly unlikely that I will lose my job when I am the employer...I don't employ people with your attitude to life though as you invariably only ever focus on what others have instead of trying to produce something positive. You sound very bitter about your existence...it would have worked better for you if you had done something about it.

Countries don't belong to anyone. People often mistake their birthplace as giving them an identity that they think is worth dying for; how stupid is that! Countries are the domain of the foolish based on confused history and artificial boundaries created by power-crazed monsters who want to control their "subjects". You seem to accept this and then fight against it. For me there is a world and and ever boundary within it is man-made. Being born here doesn't make it yours and doesn't give you any rights. You get what you deserve...in your case; very little.

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Never shop at Morrisons anyway.

Awful supermarkets, poorly laid out, poor locations and they offer nothing unique. Nothing to make me travel to a store to buy what they have. No online shopping option which is this day and age is bizarre.

A supermarket still living in the 80's miles behind the competition.

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A Casual Observer wrote: Those 145 people that have just lost their jobs might now be expected to work 'voluntarily' filling shelves in Morrison's stores in exchange for their dole, as is happening to thousands of other unemployed people across the country. ASDA, TESCO, and Poundland, and others, are also taking advantage of the free labour being supplied to them via the Government's 'Work Programme' for the unemployed. Refusal to 'volunteer' could end in a loss of Benefits.

You make interesting points in your various postings but do you have an alternative option? Should people receive benefits form the UK taxpayer without doing anything in return? Is it not preferable to be doing something useful; something that shows both a willingness and an ability to work rather than watching daytime TV? Are people in India being "exploited" given that the jobs that they are doing is giving them the chance to improve their lives. What is the alternative? It may seem unfair from some perspectives but why would anyone be an employer unless it promised more than being an employee?

State Benefits are not a gift, they are a right. And I for one will most certainly NOT be doing any such activity in return for what is rightfully mine to begin with (and no, I don't watch daytime tv!). Any form of 'Workfare' is nothing but slavery. Capitalism is the problem. The alternative is the Economics of Permanence, as outlined by the economist E.F. Schumacher.

State benefits are NOT a right? They were intended to help those who were not able to help themselves. They are not an entitlement for the workshy. Who is supposed to provide the funding for state benefits as if everyone took your view then there would be nothing in the pot. It's troubling that people are so full of what their rights are and yet have no regard to what their responsibilities are. Capitalism may be far from perfect but it is by far the best solution that anyone has come up with so far. Schumacher does not deal with Human Nature or accept that one form of energy is renewable i.e. Human Effort. If everyone was willing to put in the maximum effort then Schumacher may have a point but as long as that isn't true; Capitalism will win.

OF COURSE State Benefits are a bloody right you fool! Who owns this country? Who built it? Who was it who fought in wars for this country? And who was it who stole all the land? This country became wealthy not only via the exploitation of Colonialism, but also upon the backs of the Working Class. The Industrial Revolution is over and now they owe us a living. If the rich parasites paid their way perhaps there would be something in the pot.

If state benefits are a right then where are mine? Worked hard throughout the Industrial Revolution did you? Was it the Napoleonic war that you fought in? Who exactly is it that you think are rich parasites? Is it William Morrison who has generated more tax for this country to pay your benefits then 10,000 of the "working class". You are right on one point though; I am clearly a fool if I am working hard, generating profit and employing people just to generate the corporation tax, NI and income tax to pay the benefits of scroungers like you... With regards to the ownership of the country; I really hope that you don't think that it's yours.

"If state benefits are a right then where are mine? " If and when you lose your job (which is highly likely) you can then qualify for State Benefits. If you want to claim them now then quit your job and sign on, the choice is yours. "Worked hard throughout the Industrial Revolution did you?" Yes, I worked very hard indeed throughout the 1970's and 80's, and part of the 90's. My father, grandfather and those before them also worked hard all their lives down coal mines and in mills, in between going off to fight in wars for this country, so don't you effing dare tell me that I have no inherent right to claim State Benefits. "Who exactly is it that you think are rich parasites?" The list is endless; David Cameron George Osborne Lord Ashcroft (a multi-Billionaire who pays no tax) Emma Harrison (the biggest 'Benefits Cheat' in the country, who paid herself £8.6 Million of YOUR money for doing absolutely nothing before being forced to resign) Bob Diamond (fiddled £125 Million and got away with it) and many more. "With regards to the ownership of the country; I really hope that you don't think that it's yours." Yes, oh yes, I certainly do. It is OUR country, our wealth, and our land.