Three Bradford areas among worst for rising jobless rate (From Bradford Telegraph and Argus)

Gerry Sutcliffe blaming ministers for rising unemployment in his constituency. For the last couple of months he has only seemed interested in getting his feet under the table at the Bulls and having his picture taken there at every opportunity.

The headline is misleading. it should read: "All Bradford City constituencies in top 100 for growing unemployment!"

Yesterday's national job figures only showed a negligible drop in unemployment, but a significant increase in the number of people IN WORK.
So perhaps there are just too many people in Bradford, rather than not enough jobs?

When the city businesses are not protected from the Bazaari virus as a result they remain fail to generate any employment....this would be the result you will keep on seeing.

Z.Raja wrote:
When the city businesses are not protected from the Bazaari virus as a result they remain fail to generate any employment....this would be the result you will keep on seeing.

A very vailid point.

Thee Voice of Reason wrote:

Z.Raja wrote:
When the city businesses are not protected from the Bazaari virus as a result they remain fail to generate any employment....this would be the result you will keep on seeing.

A very vailid point.

Bazar's have nothing whatsoever to do with the fact Bradford as a whole has been neglected for many years by our goverment.The truth is our very own people of this great city have not spoken out loud enough and now we are seeing the results.Bazaar's have only recently crept up,and to say this is the sole cause of unemployment in bradford as a whole is unjust and misleading.

No one is saying its the sole cause but it is taking legal business in the same area down.

vaildpoint wrote:

Thee Voice of Reason wrote:

Z.Raja wrote:
When the city businesses are not protected from the Bazaari virus as a result they remain fail to generate any employment....this would be the result you will keep on seeing.

A very vailid point.

Bazar's have nothing whatsoever to do with the fact Bradford as a whole has been neglected for many years by our goverment.The truth is our very own people of this great city have not spoken out loud enough and now we are seeing the results.Bazaar's have only recently crept up,and to say this is the sole cause of unemployment in bradford as a whole is unjust and misleading.

We keep swapping parties at the voting booth but they all seem to be presiding over decline rather than leading from the front. Mr Galloway's comment of three cheeks of the same bum are apt; but has he just become an ample fourth appendage of the same posterior?

Time for the politicians, of all parties, national and local, to earn their keep and our votes, and attract some desperately needed investment in our city and district.

Could it be that the majority of unemployed people in these areas would prefer not to work and think it's much easier to live off the hard working majority ?

I wonder how many people have sources of income other than their unemployment benefit?

Again we see a rise in jobless figues of people claiming JSA do you wounder why is not one of the factors being that people have been taken of other benefits and are now elagble to work. I'm sick and tired of people making out that people on benefit are scrongers, I'm on DLA want to work but can't due to serious health problems what is annoying how many people sit back and receive benefit who in many cases don't want work these are the people who should be made to work, we only have to look at areas of Bradford that need tidying up and sorting out why can't these people get told unless you do three days on a job scheme you will not receive your benefit. We all need to help each other why should working people again have to lose out and pay more to keep people on the dole.

There are far too many young people in Bradford who businesses deem unemployable because of the risk they pose to their financial wellbeing.
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Sadly, too many can't get themselves to work on time, have poor attendance records, lie, produce poor quality and quantity of work, alway put their own wants/desires before their employer and customers (eg texting whilst also serving their customers) and are very self referenced about how they are doing.
But on a positive note, I do believe many of them do want to succeed at work rather than live off benefits or crime.

So many young people have grown up in chaotic abusive households where poverty has been inflicted on them by their mothers and fathers behaviour from the minute they were born.
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Too many lack social/relationship skills and exist as like 'an island'.

They have grow up in homes where there has been little personal space, significant distractions, very few rules and boundaries encouraging the kind of behaviour needed to get on in UK business. They lack the capacity to concentration and struggle to learn anything new. Goodness knows where we go from here? It's difficult to be optimistic about the future

Hardly surprising that Bradford's jobless rate is rapidly rising.

The city has been in steady decline for years, and the Council having sat back and let it happen.

When times get tough, job losses and business closures rapidly increase, but in a City which has been left to rot, there is no opportunity to mop up the losses.

The simple fact is that many business' are either closing down or relocating and at an alarming rate, simply because they see no future.

If at least the Westfield build was given the go ahead, it would provide an instant number of construction jobs, though I accept that a number will come from afar, but on completion, the build would instantly create around 2,500 Bradford jobs which this city so desperately needs, let alone the build encouraging new business' to start up and existing ones to remain All in all it would regenerate the city centre as a whole rather than being a hole.

Whilst I appreciate that the rapid rise in unemployment it is not all about Westfield, but regarding the city centre it most certainly is!

Sadly its all too little too late, successive councils have delivered nothing on Westfield since its conception in 1998, and the city is now heading for the rocks in more ways than one!

birday wrote:
There are far too many young people in Bradford who businesses deem unemployable because of the risk they pose to their financial wellbeing. . Sadly, too many can't get themselves to work on time, have poor attendance records, lie, produce poor quality and quantity of work, alway put their own wants/desires before their employer and customers (eg texting whilst also serving their customers) and are very self referenced about how they are doing. But on a positive note, I do believe many of them do want to succeed at work rather than live off benefits or crime. So many young people have grown up in chaotic abusive households where poverty has been inflicted on them by their mothers and fathers behaviour from the minute they were born. . Too many lack social/relationship skills and exist as like 'an island'. They have grow up in homes where there has been little personal space, significant distractions, very few rules and boundaries encouraging the kind of behaviour needed to get on in UK business. They lack the capacity to concentration and struggle to learn anything new. Goodness knows where we go from here? It's difficult to be optimistic about the future

"Goodness knows where we go from here?"

How about we emigrate and leave them to it ?

"Here in Bradford we’re doing what we can to support people at this difficult time."

What, like cutting Council Tax Benefit? How is that going to help the poor?

a reasonable sort of chap wrote:
"Here in Bradford we’re doing what we can to support people at this difficult time." What, like cutting Council Tax Benefit? How is that going to help the poor?

Force them to get a job or starve.

Albion. wrote:
I wonder how many people have sources of income other than their unemployment benefit?

A small minority probably. And most of them will eventually get caught. There will also be those who are still living with their families, and so they will obviously not be as destitute as someone like myself, for example. It is just about possible to live purely on Benefits alone, but only just, as the growing demand for Food Banks clearly demonstrates.

Thee Voice of Reason wrote:

a reasonable sort of chap wrote:
"Here in Bradford we’re doing what we can to support people at this difficult time." What, like cutting Council Tax Benefit? How is that going to help the poor?

Force them to get a job or starve.

LOL

a reasonable sort of chap wrote:

Albion. wrote: I wonder how many people have sources of income other than their unemployment benefit?

A small minority probably. And most of them will eventually get caught. There will also be those who are still living with their families, and so they will obviously not be as destitute as someone like myself, for example. It is just about possible to live purely on Benefits alone, but only just, as the growing demand for Food Banks clearly demonstrates.

Destitute ? You have a computer and internet connection, not that destitute ?

Capitalism isn't working. There is no industry, there are no jobs, and there aren't going to be any jobs. It's over. And what all politicians know perfectly well, but dare not say, is that full employment in a Capitalist system is impossible, the system needs unemployment in order to function, and those who are in work must pay for it.

German Shepherd wrote:

a reasonable sort of chap wrote:

Albion. wrote: I wonder how many people have sources of income other than their unemployment benefit?

A small minority probably. And most of them will eventually get caught. There will also be those who are still living with their families, and so they will obviously not be as destitute as someone like myself, for example. It is just about possible to live purely on Benefits alone, but only just, as the growing demand for Food Banks clearly demonstrates.

Destitute ? You have a computer and internet connection, not that destitute ?

Yes, my computer is very old, it cost £40 about 3 years ago and is now worthless. My internet is free. But on the other hand, how do you know I'm not using a public computer at a Library or internet cafe? or even at the Job Club? You don't! You ASSUME things.

The Industrial Revolution is over, and now the State owes us all a living.

Can we see some figures on how many of those 20,000 have had their Benefits 'sanctioned' by the brain-dead Tory minions at the Work Programme, and are now living on LESS than JSA ? If you set out to make more people even poorer then don't complain when crime, homelessness, and suicides increase, whilst retail simultaneously dies a death.

a reasonable sort of chap wrote:

German Shepherd wrote:

a reasonable sort of chap wrote:

Albion. wrote: I wonder how many people have sources of income other than their unemployment benefit?

A small minority probably. And most of them will eventually get caught. There will also be those who are still living with their families, and so they will obviously not be as destitute as someone like myself, for example. It is just about possible to live purely on Benefits alone, but only just, as the growing demand for Food Banks clearly demonstrates.

Destitute ? You have a computer and internet connection, not that destitute ?

Yes, my computer is very old, it cost £40 about 3 years ago and is now worthless. My internet is free. But on the other hand, how do you know I'm not using a public computer at a Library or internet cafe? or even at the Job Club? You don't! You ASSUME things.

But I ASSUMED correctly. If you're destitute, you couldn't afford to be in an Internet Cafe, if you were in a Job Club, you'd be looking for a job instead of constantly crying the poor tale and knocking local and central government on these pages. That's the basis of my ASSUMPTION.

a reasonable sort of chap wrote:
Capitalism isn't working. There is no industry, there are no jobs, and there aren't going to be any jobs. It's over. And what all politicians know perfectly well, but dare not say, is that full employment in a Capitalist system is impossible, the system needs unemployment in order to function, and those who are in work must pay for it.

Don't like capitalism, go move to China and tell us how the grass is greener over there.

Thee Voice of Reason wrote:

a reasonable sort of chap wrote:
Capitalism isn't working. There is no industry, there are no jobs, and there aren't going to be any jobs. It's over. And what all politicians know perfectly well, but dare not say, is that full employment in a Capitalist system is impossible, the system needs unemployment in order to function, and those who are in work must pay for it.

Don't like capitalism, go move to China and tell us how the grass is greener over there.

China seems to be rapidly becoming capitalist.

Thee Voice of Reason wrote:
Gerry Sutcliffe blaming ministers for rising unemployment in his constituency. For the last couple of months he has only seemed interested in getting his feet under the table at the Bulls and having his picture taken there at every opportunity.

Yeah, fancy that! Wasting his time trying to keep a business afloat and people in jobs. What is he thinking?
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a reasonable sort of chap wrote:
Capitalism isn't working. There is no industry, there are no jobs, and there aren't going to be any jobs. It's over. And what all politicians know perfectly well, but dare not say, is that full employment in a Capitalist system is impossible, the system needs unemployment in order to function, and those who are in work must pay for it.

Capitalism isn't perfect but it's provided many people with a comfortable life. Could you please let me know the name of just one communist country that has a lifestyle that compares favourably with anything we have in Europe?

Z.Raja wrote:
When the city businesses are not protected from the Bazaari virus as a result they remain fail to generate any employment....this would be the result you will keep on seeing.

give it a rest you clown, a bazaar or market stall is not going to drive the city under or acount for the high unemployment, if you cant contribute anything intelligent perhaps you should stay quiet and let the grown ups speak.

This is no surprise to any one given the poor handling of westfield, the lack of industry and a uneducated or poorly educated and un-skilled populace.

And the credit crunch and ensuing global recession (worst in living memory) doesnt help either.

Bazaars will certainly contribute to the situation.

BD16 wrote:

a reasonable sort of chap wrote:
Capitalism isn't working. There is no industry, there are no jobs, and there aren't going to be any jobs. It's over. And what all politicians know perfectly well, but dare not say, is that full employment in a Capitalist system is impossible, the system needs unemployment in order to function, and those who are in work must pay for it.

Capitalism isn't perfect but it's provided many people with a comfortable life. Could you please let me know the name of just one communist country that has a lifestyle that compares favourably with anything we have in Europe?

Capitalism isn't perfect, but governments and politicians pretend that it is, and refuse to own up to the true root cause of our problems, ie. an inherently flawed system that is entirely unsustainable.

The viable alternative to Capitalism isn't Communism, as you seem to be inferring, but another system that has not yet been tried by any country, but which was postulated by the economist E.F. Schumacher back in the early 1970's and is dubbed the 'economics of permanence', a sustainable third way, or middle path (Schumacher was also a Buddhist) between Communism and Capitalism that relies upon abandoning the goal of economic growth.

Read:

'Small Is Beautiful' by E.F. Schumacher.

I don't think he'll have time to read it:he has a job to go to.

Patrick Bateman wrote:
I don't think he'll have time to read it:he has a job to go to.

Precisely. Keep people with their heads down and too tired or no time to think about anything or to question anything, and they are far easier to control. Wake up and see the wider picture.

a reasonable sort of chap wrote:

Patrick Bateman wrote: I don't think he'll have time to read it:he has a job to go to.

Precisely. Keep people with their heads down and too tired or no time to think about anything or to question anything, and they are far easier to control. Wake up and see the wider picture.

You might have something there, let's all give up working. It must be nice on your planet !!

a reasonable sort of chap wrote:

BD16 wrote:

a reasonable sort of chap wrote: Capitalism isn't working. There is no industry, there are no jobs, and there aren't going to be any jobs. It's over. And what all politicians know perfectly well, but dare not say, is that full employment in a Capitalist system is impossible, the system needs unemployment in order to function, and those who are in work must pay for it.

Capitalism isn't perfect but it's provided many people with a comfortable life. Could you please let me know the name of just one communist country that has a lifestyle that compares favourably with anything we have in Europe?

Capitalism isn't perfect, but governments and politicians pretend that it is, and refuse to own up to the true root cause of our problems, ie. an inherently flawed system that is entirely unsustainable. The viable alternative to Capitalism isn't Communism, as you seem to be inferring, but another system that has not yet been tried by any country, but which was postulated by the economist E.F. Schumacher back in the early 1970's and is dubbed the 'economics of permanence', a sustainable third way, or middle path (Schumacher was also a Buddhist) between Communism and Capitalism that relies upon abandoning the goal of economic growth. Read: 'Small Is Beautiful' by E.F. Schumacher.

I don't know of, or have heard of, anybody who thinks capitalism is perfect. That's why we have economic peaks and troughs.

Who decided it's viable? I assumed it would be a communist system because one of your previous names had a reference to Karl Marx, didn't it?

If we have an increasing population but no economic growth won't we all be worse off very quickly?

Ah well, back to work now.

German Shepherd wrote:

a reasonable sort of chap wrote:

Patrick Bateman wrote: I don't think he'll have time to read it:he has a job to go to.

Precisely. Keep people with their heads down and too tired or no time to think about anything or to question anything, and they are far easier to control. Wake up and see the wider picture.

You might have something there, let's all give up working. It must be nice on your planet !!

No, let's all work part-time, doing something we like, fulfilling a role that best suits us, utilizing available local resources in a sustainable manner whilst using available to technology to improve people's lives rather than to maximize profit for a minority elite, and at the same time conserve the environment rather than exploiting it.

BD16 wrote:

a reasonable sort of chap wrote:

BD16 wrote:

a reasonable sort of chap wrote: Capitalism isn't working. There is no industry, there are no jobs, and there aren't going to be any jobs. It's over. And what all politicians know perfectly well, but dare not say, is that full employment in a Capitalist system is impossible, the system needs unemployment in order to function, and those who are in work must pay for it.

Capitalism isn't perfect but it's provided many people with a comfortable life. Could you please let me know the name of just one communist country that has a lifestyle that compares favourably with anything we have in Europe?

Capitalism isn't perfect, but governments and politicians pretend that it is, and refuse to own up to the true root cause of our problems, ie. an inherently flawed system that is entirely unsustainable. The viable alternative to Capitalism isn't Communism, as you seem to be inferring, but another system that has not yet been tried by any country, but which was postulated by the economist E.F. Schumacher back in the early 1970's and is dubbed the 'economics of permanence', a sustainable third way, or middle path (Schumacher was also a Buddhist) between Communism and Capitalism that relies upon abandoning the goal of economic growth. Read: 'Small Is Beautiful' by E.F. Schumacher.

I don't know of, or have heard of, anybody who thinks capitalism is perfect. That's why we have economic peaks and troughs.

Who decided it's viable? I assumed it would be a communist system because one of your previous names had a reference to Karl Marx, didn't it?

If we have an increasing population but no economic growth won't we all be worse off very quickly?

Ah well, back to work now.

Exactly, economic peaks and troughs. With Schumacher's proposed system there would be no such extreme swings, which is why it is called the Economics of Permanence, ie. sustainability is the key. And no, we would all be much better off in terms of happiness and quality of life, not worse off. It is not a Communist system, neither is it a Capitalist one. It represents a Middle Way in economics that makes perfect sense. Read the book.

Albion. wrote:
Bazaars will certainly contribute to the situation.

want to expand on this other than your usual one line, thow away comments?

How are at most two bazaars, that mainly sell asian fabric to mainly asian customers, going to break the back of Bradfords economy and increase the unemployment rate.

I would imagine the 90,000 excessive alcohol abusers would do more far more damage to both society and the economy than a bazaar without a market licence selling fabrics to asian ladies, wouldnt you?

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I dont really need you to answer, I know your that bright anyway and your usual response when shown up is silence.

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Albion. wrote:
Bazaars will certainly contribute to the situation.

want to expand on this other than your usual one line, thow away comments?

How are at most two bazaars, that mainly sell asian fabric to mainly asian customers, going to break the back of Bradfords economy and increase the unemployment rate.

I would imagine the 90,000 excessive alcohol abusers would do more far more damage to both society and the economy than a bazaar without a market licence selling fabrics to asian ladies, wouldnt you?

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I dont really need you to answer, I know your that bright anyway and your usual response when shown up is silence.

I said that they will contribute to the situation, I have seen interviews with Asian traders (legit) who are losing business because of them.
Obviously there are other factors that have a greater bearing on this.

Albion. wrote:

saywhat12 wrote:

Albion. wrote:
Bazaars will certainly contribute to the situation.

want to expand on this other than your usual one line, thow away comments?

How are at most two bazaars, that mainly sell asian fabric to mainly asian customers, going to break the back of Bradfords economy and increase the unemployment rate.

I would imagine the 90,000 excessive alcohol abusers would do more far more damage to both society and the economy than a bazaar without a market licence selling fabrics to asian ladies, wouldnt you?

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I dont really need you to answer, I know your that bright anyway and your usual response when shown up is silence.

I said that they will contribute to the situation, I have seen interviews with Asian traders (legit) who are losing business because of them.
Obviously there are other factors that have a greater bearing on this.

wouldnt even contribute by 1%, ive also seen those interviewers, the one guy with a fabric stall in rawson market and 3 fabric stores in BD8.

You seem to confuse the incorrect trading licence with not paying council rates or tax, neither of which is the case here, only the correct trading licence.

So even if those premises were unable to compete on price or because shoppers were being pulled away from their buisness into a "bazaar", the council would still get its due and any tax liability from sales tax, income to corporate tax would still be due.

And thats a fact, not "bazaar" hysteria or misinformation.

Can you even show this has an effect by even 1% to unemployment or Bradfords decline?

I dont agree with businesses trading without proper licences but I odnt gree with ignorance and misinformation driven by a racist agenda either, get your facts straight.

The unlicences bazaar will still have to pay rates and taxes, same as any other stall or business, and their is no allegations or proof that they have not been paying taxes or council rates.

If you know otherwise, then please share that with us, and no anecdotal, opinionated nonsense please.

"You seem to confuse the incorrect trading licence with not paying council rates or tax, neither of which is the case here, only the correct trading licence."
This isn't about those things, it's about unemployment figures, if someone is unemployed but turning up somewhere for cash in hand (or possibly nothing, in the case of some family members) they contribute to the unemployment figures but aren't genuinely unemployed.
This doesn't only happen in bazaars and markets, but anywhere that it does happen is cheating the system.
Obviously I can't give percentages, just as you can't prove that I am wrong either.
All those trading at unlicensed markets, bazaars etc are trading illegally.

saywhat12 wrote:

Albion. wrote:

saywhat12 wrote:

Albion. wrote:
Bazaars will certainly contribute to the situation.

want to expand on this other than your usual one line, thow away comments?

How are at most two bazaars, that mainly sell asian fabric to mainly asian customers, going to break the back of Bradfords economy and increase the unemployment rate.

I would imagine the 90,000 excessive alcohol abusers would do more far more damage to both society and the economy than a bazaar without a market licence selling fabrics to asian ladies, wouldnt you?

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I dont really need you to answer, I know your that bright anyway and your usual response when shown up is silence.

I said that they will contribute to the situation, I have seen interviews with Asian traders (legit) who are losing business because of them.
Obviously there are other factors that have a greater bearing on this.

wouldnt even contribute by 1%, ive also seen those interviewers, the one guy with a fabric stall in rawson market and 3 fabric stores in BD8.

You seem to confuse the incorrect trading licence with not paying council rates or tax, neither of which is the case here, only the correct trading licence.

So even if those premises were unable to compete on price or because shoppers were being pulled away from their buisness into a "bazaar", the council would still get its due and any tax liability from sales tax, income to corporate tax would still be due.

And thats a fact, not "bazaar" hysteria or misinformation.

Can you even show this has an effect by even 1% to unemployment or Bradfords decline?

I dont agree with businesses trading without proper licences but I odnt gree with ignorance and misinformation driven by a racist agenda either, get your facts straight.

The unlicences bazaar will still have to pay rates and taxes, same as any other stall or business, and their is no allegations or proof that they have not been paying taxes or council rates.

If you know otherwise, then please share that with us, and no anecdotal, opinionated nonsense please.

"ive also seen those interviewers, the one guy with a fabric stall in rawson market and 3 fabric stores in BD8."
So if eventually (or even very soon) any of these businesses fail because they can't compete with the bazaars, that will contribute to the unemployment figures and might well already have done.

German Shepherd wrote:
Could it be that the majority of unemployed people in these areas would prefer not to work and think it's much easier to live off the hard working majority ?

Well said German Sheperd

Until the powers that be stop paying for the work shy to stop at home watching Jeremy Kile,drinking and smoking to their harts content and basically been given every luxury that others have to work hard to obtain the unemployment figure will never improve.

again all speculation and opinion based on your well known dislike of Asians, you cant even show 0.1% contribution to the job less count let alone 1%.

Only you know why you and your pals bring this into every story when it doesnt even come close to explaining the jobless rate, the real issues and contributory factors are well known and I think it would be appreciated by all if we act intelligently and focus on those issues.

10steve wrote:

German Shepherd wrote:
Could it be that the majority of unemployed people in these areas would prefer not to work and think it's much easier to live off the hard working majority ?

Well said German Sheperd

Until the powers that be stop paying for the work shy to stop at home watching Jeremy Kile,drinking and smoking to their harts content and basically been given every luxury that others have to work hard to obtain the unemployment figure will never improve.

If you are as jealous of the unemployed as you appear to be, and loathe work as much as you seem to do, then why not quit your job and sign-on, if you think it is all so easy and luxurious? After all, the choice is yours, no one is making you work!

And the rest of you, please leave racism out of this, it is not even remotely a part of the issue.

Don't worry, there's always those nice people at the Work Programme who can bully you into accepting insecure low-paid work...erm..I mean 'help you into employment'.

a reasonable sort of chap wrote:
And the rest of you, please leave racism out of this, it is not even remotely a part of the issue.

A sensible comment at last. I see your previous outburst got deleted. Try to refrain from swearing and name calling in future, especially when addressing me.

If there is any that haven't seen 'The Money Masters' on Youtube could I heartily recommend it. In its entirety it is a very long video (but well worth the time should you be able to spare it), it is however broken into segments on the same source.

You will never look at economics or politics in the same way again.

It is from an American perspective but the Bank of England is involved and we use the same debt based system.

This is the address for the full movie.

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This is the address for the first of the segments.

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It is relative to the matters at hand as this theft of huge portions of your GDP are what affects levels of investment in the first instance, the Westfield scheme Bradford's most visible expression of that.

However the fact we do not issue our own currency is one area for billions upon billions of savings yet it is never discussed.

The Government do not issue our currency. When the Government needs to inject money into the economy it issues bonds to the private Bank of England or the market in general. These bonds attract interest, so immediately the pound the government has is immediately worth a certain percentage less. That's at the point of issue, rather like a new car dropping value as soon as you drive it off the forecourt. The real trouble has built up as the way the Government then services those debts is to print more debt, this means the pound is worth even less as you zoom off the forecourt. The percentage of your newly printed pound that now goes in interest rises.

How does this affect the present discussion. Everything you pay for costs more even without obvious price rises as the pound to pay for them and as mentioned investment is crippled as short term funds (the stock market), for that investment are crippled. Prices rise, the manufacturing sector suffers and jobs go, the retail sector suffers and jobs go, social provision becomes too expensive and jobs go. On the consumer side prices rise and your already debt ridden pound that begins as a lesser value buys less, the lesser value pound puts up the real cost of your rents and mortgage.

So your tax money of your lesser value pound goes to servicing the countries debt not looking after its people, be it mortgage relief for homeowners or affordable housing for those less fortunate the bankers theft of your GDP hits at all levels of society.

This is where the jobs and investment go in politically created and managed theft of your output, it affects you both nationally and locally. It is these sorts of issues that are the true harbingers of your doom. Though for such a large Metropolitan area Bradford would seem to have suffered the type of clown's pocket politicians I would not allow near the proverbial 'white elephant stall.

German Shepherd wrote:
Could it be that the majority of unemployed people in these areas would prefer not to work and think it's much easier to live off the hard working majority ?

Well said German Sheperd

Until the powers that be stop paying for the work shy to stop at home watching Jeremy Kile,drinking and smoking to their harts content and basically been given every luxury that others have to work hard to obtain the unemployment figure will never improve.

"How does this affect the present discussion. Everything you pay for costs more even without obvious price rises as the pound to pay for them" drops further in value " and as mentioned investment is crippled...."

Missed the point 'drops further in value'

10steve wrote:

German Shepherd wrote:
Could it be that the majority of unemployed people in these areas would prefer not to work and think it's much easier to live off the hard working majority ?

Well said German Sheperd

Until the powers that be stop paying for the work shy to stop at home watching Jeremy Kile,drinking and smoking to their harts content and basically been given every luxury that others have to work hard to obtain the unemployment figure will never improve.

That is to presume nobody wants to work, the fact that the nation as a whole has seen a slight raise in employment makes nonsense of your assertion.

a reasonable sort of chap wrote:
"Here in Bradford we’re doing what we can to support people at this difficult time."

What, like cutting Council Tax Benefit? How is that going to help the poor?

They can't afford to "help the poor" anymore, because we have people like yourself who are voluntarily unemployed, who are communist scumbags and scoundrels who bang on about "The Workers" but who would refuse to work even if several job opportunities were available to you and who drain funds that otherwise would have been given as payment for council tax to poor and destitute people.

You once commented that you would not work unless a vacancy arose in one of Bradford's now extinct mills for a bobbin ligger or greasy percher. This tells me you haven't worked since the decline of the textile industry in the 90's and you refuse to work again.

Want an insight why the country is in financial ruin? Take a look in the mirror. Our taxes are not spent on imptoving our lives, they are spent on wasters like yourself

a reasonable sort of chap wrote:
Can we see some figures on how many of those 20,000 have had their Benefits 'sanctioned' by the brain-dead Tory minions at the Work Programme, and are now living on LESS than JSA ? If you set out to make more people even poorer then don't complain when crime, homelessness, and suicides increase, whilst retail simultaneously dies a death.

Try getting a job

a reasonable sort of chap wrote:
Capitalism isn't working. There is no industry, there are no jobs, and there aren't going to be any jobs. It's over. And what all politicians know perfectly well, but dare not say, is that full employment in a Capitalist system is impossible, the system needs unemployment in order to function, and those who are in work must pay for it.

Remind us why nearly a thousand people were murdered by the Russians whilst trying to scale the Berlin wall.

What idiots those people must have been for trying to escape into a world of supermarkets, free trade and other luxuries that can be obtained via hard work and Ingenuity.

Why have no American's ever fled to Cuba to "escape capitalism"?

Mate, you are a d*ckhead, pure and simple

Albion. wrote:

saywhat12 wrote:

Albion. wrote:

saywhat12 wrote:

Albion. wrote:
Bazaars will certainly contribute to the situation.

want to expand on this other than your usual one line, thow away comments?

How are at most two bazaars, that mainly sell asian fabric to mainly asian customers, going to break the back of Bradfords economy and increase the unemployment rate.

I would imagine the 90,000 excessive alcohol abusers would do more far more damage to both society and the economy than a bazaar without a market licence selling fabrics to asian ladies, wouldnt you?

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I dont really need you to answer, I know your that bright anyway and your usual response when shown up is silence.

I said that they will contribute to the situation, I have seen interviews with Asian traders (legit) who are losing business because of them.
Obviously there are other factors that have a greater bearing on this.

wouldnt even contribute by 1%, ive also seen those interviewers, the one guy with a fabric stall in rawson market and 3 fabric stores in BD8.

You seem to confuse the incorrect trading licence with not paying council rates or tax, neither of which is the case here, only the correct trading licence.

So even if those premises were unable to compete on price or because shoppers were being pulled away from their buisness into a "bazaar", the council would still get its due and any tax liability from sales tax, income to corporate tax would still be due.

And thats a fact, not "bazaar" hysteria or misinformation.

Can you even show this has an effect by even 1% to unemployment or Bradfords decline?

I dont agree with businesses trading without proper licences but I odnt gree with ignorance and misinformation driven by a racist agenda either, get your facts straight.

The unlicences bazaar will still have to pay rates and taxes, same as any other stall or business, and their is no allegations or proof that they have not been paying taxes or council rates.

If you know otherwise, then please share that with us, and no anecdotal, opinionated nonsense please.

"ive also seen those interviewers, the one guy with a fabric stall in rawson market and 3 fabric stores in BD8."
So if eventually (or even very soon) any of these businesses fail because they can't compete with the bazaars, that will contribute to the unemployment figures and might well already have done.

A final addition, the tradex market had 250 small stall holders, the bazaaar about 100, marlborough bazaar about 80?

So thats over 400 local people turfed onto the dole que because of Bradford councils unwillingness or inability to grant the appropriate market licences, all to protect their promised monoply to a handful of stall holders in rawson market and a handful at most of fabric stores.

So your ignorant and ill informed hysteria of the bazaars is wrong on that one.

But thanks for taking the time to participate.

saywhat12 wrote:

Albion. wrote:

saywhat12 wrote:

Albion. wrote:

saywhat12 wrote:

Albion. wrote: Bazaars will certainly contribute to the situation.

want to expand on this other than your usual one line, thow away comments? How are at most two bazaars, that mainly sell asian fabric to mainly asian customers, going to break the back of Bradfords economy and increase the unemployment rate. I would imagine the 90,000 excessive alcohol abusers would do more far more damage to both society and the economy than a bazaar without a market licence selling fabrics to asian ladies, wouldnt you? http://www.thetelegr aphandargus.co.uk/ne ws/9899345.Bradford_ alcohol_misuse____a_ priority_for_action_ __/?ref=rss I dont really need you to answer, I know your that bright anyway and your usual response when shown up is silence.

I said that they will contribute to the situation, I have seen interviews with Asian traders (legit) who are losing business because of them. Obviously there are other factors that have a greater bearing on this.

wouldnt even contribute by 1%, ive also seen those interviewers, the one guy with a fabric stall in rawson market and 3 fabric stores in BD8. You seem to confuse the incorrect trading licence with not paying council rates or tax, neither of which is the case here, only the correct trading licence. So even if those premises were unable to compete on price or because shoppers were being pulled away from their buisness into a "bazaar", the council would still get its due and any tax liability from sales tax, income to corporate tax would still be due. And thats a fact, not "bazaar" hysteria or misinformation. Can you even show this has an effect by even 1% to unemployment or Bradfords decline? I dont agree with businesses trading without proper licences but I odnt gree with ignorance and misinformation driven by a racist agenda either, get your facts straight. The unlicences bazaar will still have to pay rates and taxes, same as any other stall or business, and their is no allegations or proof that they have not been paying taxes or council rates. If you know otherwise, then please share that with us, and no anecdotal, opinionated nonsense please.

"ive also seen those interviewers, the one guy with a fabric stall in rawson market and 3 fabric stores in BD8." So if eventually (or even very soon) any of these businesses fail because they can't compete with the bazaars, that will contribute to the unemployment figures and might well already have done.

A final addition, the tradex market had 250 small stall holders, the bazaaar about 100, marlborough bazaar about 80? So thats over 400 local people turfed onto the dole que because of Bradford councils unwillingness or inability to grant the appropriate market licences, all to protect their promised monoply to a handful of stall holders in rawson market and a handful at most of fabric stores. So your ignorant and ill informed hysteria of the bazaars is wrong on that one. But thanks for taking the time to participate.

saywhat - you seem to be missing the fact that these places are illegal and, as such, probably haven't been inspected by the Fire Service for safety and probably haven't had any form of structural survey. As such, these places could be an absolute death trap for both the stall holders and the customers. Would you like to see what's just happened at the factory in Pakistan happen in Bradford ?

thelastmanstanding wrote:

a reasonable sort of chap wrote:
Capitalism isn't working. There is no industry, there are no jobs, and there aren't going to be any jobs. It's over. And what all politicians know perfectly well, but dare not say, is that full employment in a Capitalist system is impossible, the system needs unemployment in order to function, and those who are in work must pay for it.

Remind us why nearly a thousand people were murdered by the Russians whilst trying to scale the Berlin wall.

What idiots those people must have been for trying to escape into a world of supermarkets, free trade and other luxuries that can be obtained via hard work and Ingenuity.

Why have no American's ever fled to Cuba to "escape capitalism"?

Mate, you are a d*ckhead, pure and simple

Regardless of that, the fact remains that I what I said is true. Capitalism NEEDS unemployment in order to function. There has to be more workers than jobs in order to preserve the balance of power in favour of the capitalists and not the workers, otherwise it ceases to be Capitalism and becomes Communism. Fact. Why won't any politician admit that? Allow me to reiterate: UNEMPLOYMENT IS ESSENTIAL. FULL EMPLOYMENT IS IMPOSSIBLE.

Do you understand, ****?

saywhat12 wrote:

Albion. wrote:

saywhat12 wrote:

Albion. wrote:

saywhat12 wrote:

Albion. wrote:
Bazaars will certainly contribute to the situation.

want to expand on this other than your usual one line, thow away comments?

How are at most two bazaars, that mainly sell asian fabric to mainly asian customers, going to break the back of Bradfords economy and increase the unemployment rate.

I would imagine the 90,000 excessive alcohol abusers would do more far more damage to both society and the economy than a bazaar without a market licence selling fabrics to asian ladies, wouldnt you?

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I dont really need you to answer, I know your that bright anyway and your usual response when shown up is silence.

I said that they will contribute to the situation, I have seen interviews with Asian traders (legit) who are losing business because of them.
Obviously there are other factors that have a greater bearing on this.

wouldnt even contribute by 1%, ive also seen those interviewers, the one guy with a fabric stall in rawson market and 3 fabric stores in BD8.

You seem to confuse the incorrect trading licence with not paying council rates or tax, neither of which is the case here, only the correct trading licence.

So even if those premises were unable to compete on price or because shoppers were being pulled away from their buisness into a "bazaar", the council would still get its due and any tax liability from sales tax, income to corporate tax would still be due.

And thats a fact, not "bazaar" hysteria or misinformation.

Can you even show this has an effect by even 1% to unemployment or Bradfords decline?

I dont agree with businesses trading without proper licences but I odnt gree with ignorance and misinformation driven by a racist agenda either, get your facts straight.

The unlicences bazaar will still have to pay rates and taxes, same as any other stall or business, and their is no allegations or proof that they have not been paying taxes or council rates.

If you know otherwise, then please share that with us, and no anecdotal, opinionated nonsense please.

"ive also seen those interviewers, the one guy with a fabric stall in rawson market and 3 fabric stores in BD8."
So if eventually (or even very soon) any of these businesses fail because they can't compete with the bazaars, that will contribute to the unemployment figures and might well already have done.

A final addition, the tradex market had 250 small stall holders, the bazaaar about 100, marlborough bazaar about 80?

So thats over 400 local people turfed onto the dole que because of Bradford councils unwillingness or inability to grant the appropriate market licences, all to protect their promised monoply to a handful of stall holders in rawson market and a handful at most of fabric stores.

So your ignorant and ill informed hysteria of the bazaars is wrong on that one.

But thanks for taking the time to participate.

Most of them were probably on the dole all the time.

Fantastic comeback from a self proclaimed racist who when faced with real facts and dialogue, prefer to withdraw back into his one line throw away comments.

There would be no reason fro them to be on the dole, as sole traders who are self employed, theyw ould be entitled to working and child tax credits which all working poeple are entitled to.

So its highly unlikely they would be doing so, again thanks for boring us with your ignorant ill informed ramblings, as always very easy to address and refute.

saywhat12 wrote:
Fantastic comeback from a self proclaimed racist who when faced with real facts and dialogue, prefer to withdraw back into his one line throw away comments.

There would be no reason fro them to be on the dole, as sole traders who are self employed, theyw ould be entitled to working and child tax credits which all working poeple are entitled to.

So its highly unlikely they would be doing so, again thanks for boring us with your ignorant ill informed ramblings, as always very easy to address and refute.

You can't prove otherwise.
The "one line" was wholly adequate.

German Shepherd wrote:

saywhat12 wrote:

Albion. wrote:

saywhat12 wrote:

Albion. wrote:

saywhat12 wrote:

Albion. wrote: Bazaars will certainly contribute to the situation.

want to expand on this other than your usual one line, thow away comments? How are at most two bazaars, that mainly sell asian fabric to mainly asian customers, going to break the back of Bradfords economy and increase the unemployment rate. I would imagine the 90,000 excessive alcohol abusers would do more far more damage to both society and the economy than a bazaar without a market licence selling fabrics to asian ladies, wouldnt you? http://www.thetelegr aphandargus.co.uk/ne ws/9899345.Bradford_ alcohol_misuse____a_ priority_for_action_ __/?ref=rss I dont really need you to answer, I know your that bright anyway and your usual response when shown up is silence.

I said that they will contribute to the situation, I have seen interviews with Asian traders (legit) who are losing business because of them. Obviously there are other factors that have a greater bearing on this.

wouldnt even contribute by 1%, ive also seen those interviewers, the one guy with a fabric stall in rawson market and 3 fabric stores in BD8. You seem to confuse the incorrect trading licence with not paying council rates or tax, neither of which is the case here, only the correct trading licence. So even if those premises were unable to compete on price or because shoppers were being pulled away from their buisness into a "bazaar", the council would still get its due and any tax liability from sales tax, income to corporate tax would still be due. And thats a fact, not "bazaar" hysteria or misinformation. Can you even show this has an effect by even 1% to unemployment or Bradfords decline? I dont agree with businesses trading without proper licences but I odnt gree with ignorance and misinformation driven by a racist agenda either, get your facts straight. The unlicences bazaar will still have to pay rates and taxes, same as any other stall or business, and their is no allegations or proof that they have not been paying taxes or council rates. If you know otherwise, then please share that with us, and no anecdotal, opinionated nonsense please.

"ive also seen those interviewers, the one guy with a fabric stall in rawson market and 3 fabric stores in BD8." So if eventually (or even very soon) any of these businesses fail because they can't compete with the bazaars, that will contribute to the unemployment figures and might well already have done.

A final addition, the tradex market had 250 small stall holders, the bazaaar about 100, marlborough bazaar about 80? So thats over 400 local people turfed onto the dole que because of Bradford councils unwillingness or inability to grant the appropriate market licences, all to protect their promised monoply to a handful of stall holders in rawson market and a handful at most of fabric stores. So your ignorant and ill informed hysteria of the bazaars is wrong on that one. But thanks for taking the time to participate.

saywhat - you seem to be missing the fact that these places are illegal and, as such, probably haven't been inspected by the Fire Service for safety and probably haven't had any form of structural survey. As such, these places could be an absolute death trap for both the stall holders and the customers. Would you like to see what's just happened at the factory in Pakistan happen in Bradford ?

Again you are trotting out ill informed ignorant statements as facts, what has not having the correct trading licence got yo with health and safety inspetions?

Did you ever shop there? ofcourse you didnt, there was always health and safety people in high vis jackets and tabards inspecting stalls as well as clear yellow demarcations on the ground so stallhallders would not encroach into public gangway.

Again many poeple like you who are not local, have no local interests and have never shopped there or unlikely to do so as you would not have an intererst in asian womens fabrics repeatedly trot out ill informed opinion as fact.

This is a legal dispute with the owner claiming the retail use licence is appropriate and the council arguing he needs a market licence.

Taxes, health and safety and every other nonsense you want to through out there have nothing to do with it.

These oulets are far safer, more attractive to customers than rawson market or cannon mills.

Cannon mills is an absolute death trap!

Why do you insist on speculative nonsense, botth e bazaar and tradex are in modern buildings that were prefectly safe for other companies ie MFI and whathever tradex was, they are light years ahead of the delapidated mess that is cannon mills.

Any prooof that health and safety was an issue here? Again having been to the place i found it to be well managed with stewards outside controlling traffic in the car park and stewards inside ensuring walkwasy were keep clear.

It really is a shame that Bradford continues to be held back by severe pockets of ignorance and intolerance.

Albion. wrote:

saywhat12 wrote:
Fantastic comeback from a self proclaimed racist who when faced with real facts and dialogue, prefer to withdraw back into his one line throw away comments.

There would be no reason fro them to be on the dole, as sole traders who are self employed, theyw ould be entitled to working and child tax credits which all working poeple are entitled to.

So its highly unlikely they would be doing so, again thanks for boring us with your ignorant ill informed ramblings, as always very easy to address and refute.

You can't prove otherwise.
The "one line" was wholly adequate.

the burden of proof when accusing others is on you, and you have no proof or reason to accuse hard working people of fraud, do you?

Other than your known hatred of aisans ofcourse.

Perhaps you should look up slander and defamation.

saywhat12 wrote:

German Shepherd wrote:

saywhat12 wrote:

Albion. wrote:

saywhat12 wrote:

Albion. wrote:

saywhat12 wrote:

Albion. wrote: Bazaars will certainly contribute to the situation.

want to expand on this other than your usual one line, thow away comments? How are at most two bazaars, that mainly sell asian fabric to mainly asian customers, going to break the back of Bradfords economy and increase the unemployment rate. I would imagine the 90,000 excessive alcohol abusers would do more far more damage to both society and the economy than a bazaar without a market licence selling fabrics to asian ladies, wouldnt you? http://www.thetelegr aphandargus.co.uk/ne ws/9899345.Bradford_ alcohol_misuse____a_ priority_for_action_ __/?ref=rss I dont really need you to answer, I know your that bright anyway and your usual response when shown up is silence.

I said that they will contribute to the situation, I have seen interviews with Asian traders (legit) who are losing business because of them. Obviously there are other factors that have a greater bearing on this.

wouldnt even contribute by 1%, ive also seen those interviewers, the one guy with a fabric stall in rawson market and 3 fabric stores in BD8. You seem to confuse the incorrect trading licence with not paying council rates or tax, neither of which is the case here, only the correct trading licence. So even if those premises were unable to compete on price or because shoppers were being pulled away from their buisness into a "bazaar", the council would still get its due and any tax liability from sales tax, income to corporate tax would still be due. And thats a fact, not "bazaar" hysteria or misinformation. Can you even show this has an effect by even 1% to unemployment or Bradfords decline? I dont agree with businesses trading without proper licences but I odnt gree with ignorance and misinformation driven by a racist agenda either, get your facts straight. The unlicences bazaar will still have to pay rates and taxes, same as any other stall or business, and their is no allegations or proof that they have not been paying taxes or council rates. If you know otherwise, then please share that with us, and no anecdotal, opinionated nonsense please.

"ive also seen those interviewers, the one guy with a fabric stall in rawson market and 3 fabric stores in BD8." So if eventually (or even very soon) any of these businesses fail because they can't compete with the bazaars, that will contribute to the unemployment figures and might well already have done.

A final addition, the tradex market had 250 small stall holders, the bazaaar about 100, marlborough bazaar about 80? So thats over 400 local people turfed onto the dole que because of Bradford councils unwillingness or inability to grant the appropriate market licences, all to protect their promised monoply to a handful of stall holders in rawson market and a handful at most of fabric stores. So your ignorant and ill informed hysteria of the bazaars is wrong on that one. But thanks for taking the time to participate.

saywhat - you seem to be missing the fact that these places are illegal and, as such, probably haven't been inspected by the Fire Service for safety and probably haven't had any form of structural survey. As such, these places could be an absolute death trap for both the stall holders and the customers. Would you like to see what's just happened at the factory in Pakistan happen in Bradford ?

Again you are trotting out ill informed ignorant statements as facts, what has not having the correct trading licence got yo with health and safety inspetions? Did you ever shop there? ofcourse you didnt, there was always health and safety people in high vis jackets and tabards inspecting stalls as well as clear yellow demarcations on the ground so stallhallders would not encroach into public gangway. Again many poeple like you who are not local, have no local interests and have never shopped there or unlikely to do so as you would not have an intererst in asian womens fabrics repeatedly trot out ill informed opinion as fact. This is a legal dispute with the owner claiming the retail use licence is appropriate and the council arguing he needs a market licence. Taxes, health and safety and every other nonsense you want to through out there have nothing to do with it. These oulets are far safer, more attractive to customers than rawson market or cannon mills. Cannon mills is an absolute death trap! Why do you insist on speculative nonsense, botth e bazaar and tradex are in modern buildings that were prefectly safe for other companies ie MFI and whathever tradex was, they are light years ahead of the delapidated mess that is cannon mills. Any prooof that health and safety was an issue here? Again having been to the place i found it to be well managed with stewards outside controlling traffic in the car park and stewards inside ensuring walkwasy were keep clear. It really is a shame that Bradford continues to be held back by severe pockets of ignorance and intolerance.

I used the word "probably" Read things instead of constantly playing the racism card. Do you have a complete hatred of Anglo Saxons ??

So you admit you were talking out of your backside then?

I dont hate any race but I have a distinct dislike for ignorance like yours which is severely holding bradford back and the example of the hysteria over the "bazaar" is a perfect example were people like you talk out of their rear ends without any facts or first hand knowledge.

The fact that you are unable to back up any of your misconceptions and are now back peddling says plenty.

saywhat12 wrote:

Albion. wrote:

saywhat12 wrote:
Fantastic comeback from a self proclaimed racist who when faced with real facts and dialogue, prefer to withdraw back into his one line throw away comments.

There would be no reason fro them to be on the dole, as sole traders who are self employed, theyw ould be entitled to working and child tax credits which all working poeple are entitled to.

So its highly unlikely they would be doing so, again thanks for boring us with your ignorant ill informed ramblings, as always very easy to address and refute.

You can't prove otherwise.
The "one line" was wholly adequate.

the burden of proof when accusing others is on you, and you have no proof or reason to accuse hard working people of fraud, do you?

Other than your known hatred of aisans ofcourse.

Perhaps you should look up slander and defamation.

Hard working people? standing behind a stall in a market which you know to be operating illegally is hard work?
I really haven't time for your nonsense I'm too busy watching a certain highly amusing video on YouTube.

saywhat12 wrote:
So you admit you were talking out of your backside then? I dont hate any race but I have a distinct dislike for ignorance like yours which is severely holding bradford back and the example of the hysteria over the "bazaar" is a perfect example were people like you talk out of their rear ends without any facts or first hand knowledge. The fact that you are unable to back up any of your misconceptions and are now back peddling says plenty.

But it's still illegal, there are procedures and laws to follow, this is Great Britain, if you or anyone else don't like it, move away. In the meantime, I'll continue to work for a registered company in legal premises and pay my taxes in order for the police and council to continue the fight against illegal practices when that money could be better spent on housing, educuation, looking after the elderly, health care, etc. Get back in your cave and don't come back out

thats right, run away when faced with real dialogue and a reasoned argument, you wouldnt know what hard work looked liked if it slapped you over your hollow head, probably claiming every benefit going and sub letting your council flat to maintain your lifestyle arent you?

And fair play to the owner for not being bowed by the incompetent, protection racket filth that is bradford council, fair play to him for standing by his principles and taking it to court.

Lets let the courts decide on the legality or otherwise of his current us of the Tradex store.

German Shepherd wrote:

saywhat12 wrote:
So you admit you were talking out of your backside then? I dont hate any race but I have a distinct dislike for ignorance like yours which is severely holding bradford back and the example of the hysteria over the "bazaar" is a perfect example were people like you talk out of their rear ends without any facts or first hand knowledge. The fact that you are unable to back up any of your misconceptions and are now back peddling says plenty.

But it's still illegal, there are procedures and laws to follow, this is Great Britain, if you or anyone else don't like it, move away. In the meantime, I'll continue to work for a registered company in legal premises and pay my taxes in order for the police and council to continue the fight against illegal practices when that money could be better spent on housing, educuation, looking after the elderly, health care, etc. Get back in your cave and don't come back out

take that as a yes then, talking out of your backside and cant backup your ignorant comments.

For your information, I've worked hard since leaving school at the age of 15 and have never once claimed any form of benefit. I have never had a council flat and, as such, have never sub let one out. I am a law abiding Anglo Saxon who has never been in trouble with the police. As for having a hollow head, I'm not the one who has to hide behind the internet to make insults knowing that we'll never knowingly meet. Your comments are libellous, ill informed and hurtful. I stand by my argument that these people, no matter what race or creed, are operating illegally and somehow believe they're above the laws of England. Thank you and God Save the Queen.

those insults were aimed at albion, a self confessed racist and bigot, so i dont mind being overly rude to him.

And lets let the courts decide on the legality or ottherwise.

saywhat12 wrote:
those insults were aimed at albion, a self confessed racist and bigot, so i dont mind being overly rude to him. And lets let the courts decide on the legality or ottherwise.

Should I take that as an apology ? Oh and do try to be careful when replying to comments in future, after all, you wouldn't like to be known as a "hollow head" would you ?

saywhat12 wrote:
those insults were aimed at albion, a self confessed racist and bigot, so i dont mind being overly rude to him.

And lets let the courts decide on the legality or ottherwise.

I have never lived in a council property nor sub-let one either.
I myself also left school at 15 and worked for the same company for 30yrs.
I have never claimed any benefits except my legal entitlement as a pensioner, towards which I contributed in excess of the required minimum. I also owned two businesses before my retirement, which is a good indication of why I have no time or respect for those operating in illegal bazaars or indeed markets (whoever they might be).
Now I AM going to "run away"! Make of it what you will.

The only thing which will drag Bradford out of the unemployment premier league is if a big, yes, big, industrial sets up shop in the area manufacturing on a 24 hour production timescale.
A couple of big building sites won't make much difference, most of the people working there will already be employed on another site.
A few sarnie shops and guest houses will cash in but that's about it.
And then there will be part time jobs on offer.
I suspect a some of the new u/e are recent arrivals.
Sorry.

saywhat12 wrote:
thats right, run away when faced with real dialogue and a reasoned argument, you wouldnt know what hard work looked liked if it slapped you over your hollow head, probably claiming every benefit going and sub letting your council flat to maintain your lifestyle arent you? And fair play to the owner for not being bowed by the incompetent, protection racket filth that is bradford council, fair play to him for standing by his principles and taking it to court. Lets let the courts decide on the legality or otherwise of his current us of the Tradex store.

"protection racket filth that is bradford council"
I may have missed the point but could you explain the above statement please.

German Shepherd wrote:
For your information, I've worked hard since leaving school at the age of 15 and have never once claimed any form of benefit. I have never had a council flat and, as such, have never sub let one out. I am a law abiding Anglo Saxon who has never been in trouble with the police. As for having a hollow head, I'm not the one who has to hide behind the internet to make insults knowing that we'll never knowingly meet. Your comments are libellous, ill informed and hurtful. I stand by my argument that these people, no matter what race or creed, are operating illegally and somehow believe they're above the laws of England. Thank you and God Save the Queen.

Anglo Saxon? Really? Wow! I wasn't aware that we had a minority population of 6th Century foreign invaders living in Bradford!

For your information, thicko, only a mere 3.5% of overall English DNA is Anglo Saxon. It is a complete myth to think of the English as an Anglo Saxon nation. The English have an higher percentage of Celtic DNA than Anglo Saxon, and the Brythonic Celts came from the Iberian Peninsula (ie. Northern Spain).

As for the Queen, what's that old hag got to do with it?

thelastmanstanding wrote:

a reasonable sort of chap wrote:
Can we see some figures on how many of those 20,000 have had their Benefits 'sanctioned' by the brain-dead Tory minions at the Work Programme, and are now living on LESS than JSA ? If you set out to make more people even poorer then don't complain when crime, homelessness, and suicides increase, whilst retail simultaneously dies a death.

Try getting a job

There aren't enough jobs out there for everyone. Someone, no matter who, is bound to end up unemployed. Full employment is an impossibility.

Thank you "The Man With No Name"

Are you actually saywhat12's illegitimate and more despicable, unworthy twin or, are you in fact him and have taken this long to research an answer ?

The term "Anglo-Saxon" can be used in a variety of contexts, often to identify the English-speaking world's distinctive language, culture, technology, wealth, markets, economy, and legal systems.

Now, a village is missing their idiot, I suggest you go back !!

German Shepherd wrote:
Thank you "The Man With No Name"

Are you actually saywhat12's illegitimate and more despicable, unworthy twin or, are you in fact him and have taken this long to research an answer ?

The term "Anglo-Saxon" can be used in a variety of contexts, often to identify the English-speaking world's distinctive language, culture, technology, wealth, markets, economy, and legal systems.

Now, a village is missing their idiot, I suggest you go back !!

My, how endearing then that you choose to bestow upon yourself such a quaint cultural description. And I'm glad that you acknowledge what I was hinting at, ie. that you are not really an Anglo Saxon.

thelastmanstanding wrote:

a reasonable sort of chap wrote:
"Here in Bradford we’re doing what we can to support people at this difficult time."

What, like cutting Council Tax Benefit? How is that going to help the poor?

They can't afford to "help the poor" anymore, because we have people like yourself who are voluntarily unemployed, who are communist scumbags and scoundrels who bang on about "The Workers" but who would refuse to work even if several job opportunities were available to you and who drain funds that otherwise would have been given as payment for council tax to poor and destitute people.

You once commented that you would not work unless a vacancy arose in one of Bradford's now extinct mills for a bobbin ligger or greasy percher. This tells me you haven't worked since the decline of the textile industry in the 90's and you refuse to work again.

Want an insight why the country is in financial ruin? Take a look in the mirror. Our taxes are not spent on imptoving our lives, they are spent on wasters like yourself

Wouldn't it be nice if the rich paid their taxes? Then there would be enough for all, and we wouldn't have any cuts to our essential services that we and many generations of our ancestors have already paid for. It is a very easy target to blame the poorest and most vulnerable in our society for all our economic woes, and shows both a lack of intelligence as well as compassion on your part. You just make yourself look silly spouting such vile drivel when everyone really knows the truth.

10steve wrote:

German Shepherd wrote:
Could it be that the majority of unemployed people in these areas would prefer not to work and think it's much easier to live off the hard working majority ?

Well said German Sheperd

Until the powers that be stop paying for the work shy to stop at home watching Jeremy Kile,drinking and smoking to their harts content and basically been given every luxury that others have to work hard to obtain the unemployment figure will never improve.

If you're so jealous of the unemployed, and despise working for a living as much as you seem to do, then why don't you simply quit your job and join them on the dole if y7ou think it is so luxurious a life? After all, the choice is yours, no one is making you go to work.

German Shepherd wrote:
Say 12 can't explain in a radical way. Too much in love with the people who have ruined Bradford .

The people who have ruined Bradford, you mean the Tories?

Thee Voice of Reason wrote:

a reasonable sort of chap wrote:
"Here in Bradford we’re doing what we can to support people at this difficult time." What, like cutting Council Tax Benefit? How is that going to help the poor?

Force them to get a job or starve.

"ye force them to get a job or starve" shall we bring back the workhouses? better still slavery then the rich could get richer ! get real PEOPLE DO WANT TO WORK BUT WHY SHOULD THEY NOT BE ABLE TO EARN A DECENT LIVING? also why should busineses rely on people, to claim working tax credit to top up their income, goes back to my earlier point let the rich get richer at the expense of everyone else

The Man With No Name wrote:

German Shepherd wrote: Say 12 can't explain in a radical way. Too much in love with the people who have ruined Bradford .

The people who have ruined Bradford, you mean the Tories?

You really have got a massive chip on your shoulder haven't you ? My guess is to the left of old Labour.

Your views cannot be restricted however, you should refrain from the name calling. Actually, are you John Prescott ?

10steve wrote:

German Shepherd wrote:
Could it be that the majority of unemployed people in these areas would prefer not to work and think it's much easier to live off the hard working majority ?

Well said German Sheperd

Until the powers that be stop paying for the work shy to stop at home watching Jeremy Kile,drinking and smoking to their harts content and basically been given every luxury that others have to work hard to obtain the unemployment figure will never improve.

"ye all the unemployed are the same running round in their new Merc's BM's and Audis watching plasma /lcd tv's ,drinking expensive whiskeys and champagne, traveling around the world on holidays." why work when you cvan live like a lottery winner on ooooh! job seekers allowance on £60/ week ?
PEOPLE DO WANT TO WORK BUT WHY SHOULD THEY NOT BE ABLE TO EARN A DECENT LIVING? also why should busineses rely on people, to claim working tax credit to top up their income, goes back to my earlier point let the rich get richer at the expense of everyone else

German Shepherd wrote:

The Man With No Name wrote:

German Shepherd wrote: Say 12 can't explain in a radical way. Too much in love with the people who have ruined Bradford .

The people who have ruined Bradford, you mean the Tories?

You really have got a massive chip on your shoulder haven't you ? My guess is to the left of old Labour.

Your views cannot be restricted however, you should refrain from the name calling. Actually, are you John Prescott ?

said like a true tory, and yes it is about time we had more people a little to the left to bring back the balance as we have had tories inc. Blair for far too long, capitalism does not work , ohhh the banks cause the all the issues yet they still walk away with millions of pounds of profit bonuses ETC. Tories privitise gas, water, electricity, their shareholders walk away with millions which could have been ploughed back into punlic coffers. Does capitalism work?

Thee Voice of Reason wrote:
Gerry Sutcliffe blaming ministers for rising unemployment in his constituency. For the last couple of months he has only seemed interested in getting his feet under the table at the Bulls and having his picture taken there at every opportunity.

well I would make a good MP , I would listen to peolpe in my constituency, not live in a "better" area 7 miles away, and would REPRESENT THE PEOPLE!
think I could do that on an mp's salary

MisterBD wrote:

German Shepherd wrote:

The Man With No Name wrote:

German Shepherd wrote: Say 12 can't explain in a radical way. Too much in love with the people who have ruined Bradford .

The people who have ruined Bradford, you mean the Tories?

You really have got a massive chip on your shoulder haven't you ? My guess is to the left of old Labour. Your views cannot be restricted however, you should refrain from the name calling. Actually, are you John Prescott ?

said like a true tory, and yes it is about time we had more people a little to the left to bring back the balance as we have had tories inc. Blair for far too long, capitalism does not work , ohhh the banks cause the all the issues yet they still walk away with millions of pounds of profit bonuses ETC. Tories privitise gas, water, electricity, their shareholders walk away with millions which could have been ploughed back into punlic coffers. Does capitalism work?

Wrong again, not a true Tory. However, I completely agree that the bankers are out of control and that Gordon should have got tough years ago. Sadly another occassion when Labour have let the country down. As for privatisation, there are rights and wrongs in that, they probably balance themselves out.

Are you George Galloway ?

MisterBD wrote:

German Shepherd wrote:

The Man With No Name wrote:

German Shepherd wrote: Say 12 can't explain in a radical way. Too much in love with the people who have ruined Bradford .

The people who have ruined Bradford, you mean the Tories?

You really have got a massive chip on your shoulder haven't you ? My guess is to the left of old Labour.

Your views cannot be restricted however, you should refrain from the name calling. Actually, are you John Prescott ?

said like a true tory, and yes it is about time we had more people a little to the left to bring back the balance as we have had tories inc. Blair for far too long, capitalism does not work , ohhh the banks cause the all the issues yet they still walk away with millions of pounds of profit bonuses ETC. Tories privitise gas, water, electricity, their shareholders walk away with millions which could have been ploughed back into punlic coffers. Does capitalism work?

Haha, no, Capitalism clearly doesn't work, as is plain to see. Capitalism is inherently flawed and is unsustainable, hence inequality, widening social division, and economic peaks and troughs (such as the global depression we are now experiencing). Not to worry though, everyone can pass the buck and pin the blame on the poorest, most vulnerable and disadvantaged in our society that have no political voice and make an easy scapegoat. That way the rich get to cling to their wealth and the people gladly accept austerity measures without noticing who's really to blame.

*Top Tip*

If you are currently on JSA and the Work Programme is looming, take out a Budgeting Loan from the Social, ask for the maximum amount and you'll probably get £300 (say you need a new cooker or something), then put the money away and DO NOT touch it! Once on the Work Programme it is only a matter of time before your Benefits will be 'sanctioned' and you are forced to live on Hardship Allowance (40 poxy quid a week). The money you borrowed will then come in very handy to tide you over the initial sanction period when you get nothing for first two or three weeks. Once claiming Hardship Allowance they cannot deduct the loan from your Benefit. Hey presto, you win!