Shutters going up in once-booming street (From Bradford Telegraph and Argus)
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Shutters going up in once-booming street
7:00am Thursday 6th September 2012 in News
Exclusive By Jessica Nightingale, T&A Reporter
Empty premises in Market Street in Bradford
A city centre street once described as “booming” is now littered with empty shops and some remaining retailers in the area fear future closure if trade does not pick up.
Some traders on Market Street and its vicinity feel the delay to the Westfield plan and the amount of empty shops is affecting business.
Antonio Barbiero, owner of Pizza Pieces in Market Street, previously told The Telegraph & Argus in May that he might be forced to close his business this month unless construction work began on the Broadway site, from where he was forced to move seven years ago.
He said: “I was going to leave at the beginning of this month but I’ve asked my landlord to give us three more months to give Westfield a chance to start some work. Bradford Council has got to do something about it.
“If Westfield don’t come and put a shopping centre here this city will die slowly. All these empty shops on this street don’t help either it just kills everything else near it.”
As reported in yesterday’s T&A, The Early Learning Centre store on Market Street is closing down as part of the national closures by Mothercare.
Val Summerscales, secretary of Bradford Chamber of Trade, said: “I think Market Street is suffering as much as most with the delay of Westfield shopping centre.”
In nearby Broadway , just one street away from Market Street, DKZ ‘Designer Kidz’ wear is displaying a closing down sale sign.
Meanwhile, George Demetriou, owner of The Acropolis Cafe, on Broadway, which has been trading in Bradford since 1960, also fears closure if trade does not pick up.
The rates of the empty shops, which are set by the national Government, have been highlighted by other shop owners as a contributor to their continued vacancy.
Shafkat Khan, owner of The Fresh Filling Sandwich Bar which opened two weeks ago on Market Street, said business was going well so far, but feels the rates do not help new businesses when they are starting out.
He said: “I have put an appeal in to try and get some relief for being a new business.”
Councillor Susan Hinchcliffe, whose portfolio includes employment, skills and culture, said: “The city centre is one of our top priorities; Market Street is a key street in the area. We have the Regional Growth Fund which will help businesses, and we are putting on a lot of events in the City Park which is regenerating trade.
“It is a difficult time to be a retailer but we are doing our best to support them to create the right environment to do business.”
Comments(59)
Z.Raja
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7:29am Thu 6 Sep 12
idleone
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7:37am Thu 6 Sep 12
BD16
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7:40am Thu 6 Sep 12
Z.Raja wrote:I doubt that Westfield are monitoring the illegal bazaars in Bradford before deciding whether to start development. I think they long since decided against it and are getting out of it in the best way they can as we speak.
Westfield plan or any other plan will not work unless the issue of illegal markets is solved. The case of Bazaars which should not have been started at the first place is taking so long to close. On what grounds stall type retail markets are being allowed? Would anybody from the council like to explain? Even Olympic games failed to generate any boom in the country how putting a lot of events in the city park can regenerate trade. The only thing which could work is solid legislation to handle ILLEGAL RETAIL MARKETS.
The illegal bazaars probably have a greater impact on those in Bradfords city centre markets who are having to pay rent and rates. Crazy isn't it, the council do little, or nothing, to support legal businesses when they are really in need of some help?
Joedavid
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7:57am Thu 6 Sep 12
The previous story and its figures was it made up and wrong?
Thee Voice of Reason
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8:05am Thu 6 Sep 12
Where is he now commenting on the two stories that immediately followed and what are his views on Westfield actively trying to sell the site.
Also where are his comments on the continued trade of the illegal bazzar?
Do councillors only pass comment on what they see as good news then the head is in the sand for stories like this?
Commonsensefirst
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8:11am Thu 6 Sep 12
Thee Voice of Reason
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8:15am Thu 6 Sep 12
The fact that all the T&A have appeared to do is briefly mention it hidden away in another news item is that they don't believe it's in the publics interest which is why sales of their paper have dropped through the floor.
You can be a propaganda machine for the council or you can be the moith piece of the people and demand answers, at the moment your the councillors puppet avoiding anything controversial that might stop a cosy releationship with City Hall.
Clowny
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8:34am Thu 6 Sep 12
Joedavid
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8:38am Thu 6 Sep 12
Avro
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8:45am Thu 6 Sep 12
They have consistently failed to draw enough tenants to kick start the build, and even failed to sell a 50% share to Meyer Bergman.
It comes as no great surprise that Westfield are now looking to offload the site, simply because they have realised that this project is a dead duck, and will simply walk away after having decimated our city centre!
Westfield bought the site in 2004., six years have elapsed since Broadway was demolished., its now all too little too late, and I expect to see 'Land For Sale' signs appear in due course!
freespeech
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8:48am Thu 6 Sep 12
Avro
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8:56am Thu 6 Sep 12
old pecker wrote:I totally agree, its a free outing and they then go back home, without having ventured beyond ther park area.
city Park ! puddle in the middle is nowt but a glorified Kids Paddling Pool,
the only thing its attracting is Family's bringing sandwiches for a day out with Kids
The City Park is nothing more than being a very expensive vanity project that has a backdrop of a part demolished Police HQ and the Odeon eyesore.
The fountain feature has no indication of when the fountains might 'perform', so visitors are left puzzled as to exactly what the spectacle might be!
yorkshiredude
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9:01am Thu 6 Sep 12
If the owners of the properties, perhaps with support from the council, offer up cheap rents on these properties - it may make it worthwhile for entrepreneurs to take a punt on something. If the council / whoever else is supporting them, they would be able to exercise some control over who took units up too - so it wasn't just phone shops...
Given this is where the main bus stops are, the main route from Forster Square to City Park / St George's Hall / Alhambra - there is scope for this area to be alive at night too.
And then whatever happens if Westfield is built, even better...
basil fawlty
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9:20am Thu 6 Sep 12
Thee Voice of Reason
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9:24am Thu 6 Sep 12
If those running the City can't see the disaster they have caused there is no hope.
Albion.
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10:51am Thu 6 Sep 12
thatsnotmyname wrote:Totally agree, I always feel more comfortable shopping anywhere else.
What a great place Market street is. Ive always liked wandering down fighting through the crowds of people smoking and eating pasties. Or getting pushed about by asian gangs.
The truth about the demise of Bradford is that it's a horrible place to shop and a lot of the population are horrid too.
Theres nothing the council could do to save the city centre, it will get worse and it will die a long horrible death.
Clowny
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11:43am Thu 6 Sep 12
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I walked across the park a few times this week, it’s primarily students, kids and skateboarders using the space, which is nice to see, but the adults there are simply boozing. Although the area is regularly cleaned there were still cans of foreign lager which reveal what the space is being used for by adults. There were no business people in suits, no trendy professionals with shopping bags.
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There are still daily drunks on streets nearby, drinking, arguing, some days the paramedic response vehicle appears to park nearby, I assume to save the hassle of racing down to yet another 999 call as one of the drunks falls unconscious.
Avro
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12:25pm Thu 6 Sep 12
Bone_idle18
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12:30pm Thu 6 Sep 12
I remember when the Old Bank opened, it was great, decent beer, good food, nice people. then the goose opened and it went downhill fast, trying to compete with the cheap prices, which attracted the scum from the Goose.
yorkshiredude
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1:08pm Thu 6 Sep 12
Apparently there's been a crackdown to kerb anti-social street drinking in the city centre before, sure I read a Police press release trumpeting it... but er, its not really worked has it?
Thee Voice of Reason
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1:10pm Thu 6 Sep 12
Clowny
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2:08pm Thu 6 Sep 12
yorkshiredude wrote:Correct there was a claimed crack-down, maybe it was just temporary rather than an ongoing effort?
Would be good to have some kind of street wardens in the city centre, thing is... who'd pay for 'em?
Apparently there's been a crackdown to kerb anti-social street drinking in the city centre before, sure I read a Police press release trumpeting it... but er, its not really worked has it?
Stories have also suggested the parking wardens were to be given an overall warden task, suggesting they would fill some PCSO responsibilities but you can’t be looking for cars overstaying whilst engaging with retailers and assisting the public.
monkeynutz
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2:53pm Thu 6 Sep 12
BD16
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3:08pm Thu 6 Sep 12
MontyLeMar
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3:15pm Thu 6 Sep 12
Avro wrote:Yes, cheap booze is a major problem, especially if you are addicted. But it is only because the government keep the beer duty escalator in place which is putting pubs out of business with an ever-increasing price of a pint. So just google 'saveyourpint' and sign the e_petition to get it scrapped. Then we can tackle the selling of cheap booze by the superrmarkets and the consuming of said cheap booze on the streets leading to anti-social behaviour on our streets. Booze should be consumed at home or in establishments where the punters can be controlled.
Exactly that, and prooves that visitors are taking their own booze to the location, and the danger is that it will turn into an out of control booze venue.
i hate bradford
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3:25pm Thu 6 Sep 12
College kids maybe on a lunchtime who generally aren't spending? When the bad weather starts even they will head indoors.
This puddle was a scandalous waste of money and for the price 34 million all market street could have been brought up to scratch.
Clowny
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4:43pm Thu 6 Sep 12
BD16 wrote:Technically drinking is banned as there are signs saying not to drink on the City Park, but the problem is, if a person is drinking, assuming a) there’s a police officer about which is fairly rare, b) the drinking is overt, then the Police either a) ignore it if the person isn’t misbehaving or b) tell them to put the can in the bin, at which point most drinkers down it in one then deposit the can in a bin.
If alcohol is a problem in the park, why not ban consumption in public other than that purchased from, and consumed around, licensed premises. I know you only move the problem elsewhere but at least one part of Bradford city centre would be a bit better.
Those known to the police tend to pour their booze into pop bottles, they’re not even subtle about doing so, but can generally wander around like Sir Digby Chicken Caesar, unchallenged after doing so.
If you step off the City Park by a few metres and overtly drink booze you’ll likely not be challenged at all unless there’s behaviour that is rowdy and looks like it could turn potentially violent.
If there is a large group drinking overtly this won’t be challenged at all even on the City Park as the police won’t risk escalating a situation where they are outnumbered by drinkers.
mickcbcfc
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4:50pm Thu 6 Sep 12
its dead. ffs bradford council you have done what you set out to do.
stop new business. you have done it with great greed to your selves.
applaud your selves.
bradford is dead! the 6th biggest metropolitan city in the country and you have destroyed it.
well done bradford council...........
Albion.
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5:16pm Thu 6 Sep 12
mickcbcfc wrote:There are other factors.
bradford is slowly dieing?
its dead. ffs bradford council you have done what you set out to do.
stop new business. you have done it with great greed to your selves.
applaud your selves.
bradford is dead! the 6th biggest metropolitan city in the country and you have destroyed it.
well done bradford council...........
MontyLeMar
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5:17pm Thu 6 Sep 12
Avro
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5:21pm Thu 6 Sep 12
Clowny wrote:Interesting that a blind eye is being turned to the tinny drinkers around the pond, the evidence is there in the trash left!
yorkshiredude wrote:Correct there was a claimed crack-down, maybe it was just temporary rather than an ongoing effort?
Would be good to have some kind of street wardens in the city centre, thing is... who'd pay for 'em?
Apparently there's been a crackdown to kerb anti-social street drinking in the city centre before, sure I read a Police press release trumpeting it... but er, its not really worked has it?
Stories have also suggested the parking wardens were to be given an overall warden task, suggesting they would fill some PCSO responsibilities but you can’t be looking for cars overstaying whilst engaging with retailers and assisting the public.
Clowny
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5:51pm Thu 6 Sep 12
That explains why the likes of the old Probyns building are still vacant, imagine doing a viewing with a mind to let the office and seeing those sights.
yorkshiredude
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6:01pm Thu 6 Sep 12
jh137
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7:11pm Thu 6 Sep 12
Avro wrote:thats about all anyone can do, if you have kids with you and want something to eat you have to go to the chippie because you cant sit outside Lloyds with minors "because the council dont allow kids at the outside tables".our teenage son had to sit away from us on the (flowerbed)wall after we'd eaten and we took our drinks outside in the sun. if you go to Ginger Goose you can eat inside but the view out not right good.... .lose,lose and as for the fountains, like you said times please!......
old pecker wrote: city Park ! puddle in the middle is nowt but a glorified Kids Paddling Pool, the only thing its attracting is Family's bringing sandwiches for a day out with KidsI totally agree, its a free outing and they then go back home, without having ventured beyond ther park area. The City Park is nothing more than being a very expensive vanity project that has a backdrop of a part demolished Police HQ and the Odeon eyesore. The fountain feature has no indication of when the fountains might 'perform', so visitors are left puzzled as to exactly what the spectacle might be!
Mr Perks
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8:39pm Thu 6 Sep 12
Avro wrote:I was wondering about the supposed 'big' fountain the other day, I've only seen it in action once and that was when it was being tested in the week the park was opening. I suppose it can't be used when kids are paddling as it would be dangerous, was the park designed so kids could paddle? I'm not being a killjoy, children look to be enjoying the water, but then what was the point of installing a 'big' fountain?
old pecker wrote:I totally agree, its a free outing and they then go back home, without having ventured beyond ther park area.
city Park ! puddle in the middle is nowt but a glorified Kids Paddling Pool,
the only thing its attracting is Family's bringing sandwiches for a day out with Kids
The City Park is nothing more than being a very expensive vanity project that has a backdrop of a part demolished Police HQ and the Odeon eyesore.
The fountain feature has no indication of when the fountains might 'perform', so visitors are left puzzled as to exactly what the spectacle might be!
thelastmanstanding
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5:31am Fri 7 Sep 12
Now they knocked the best part of it down and left a gaping hole in the ground for the greatest part of a decade, even if they built Westfield site and opened it full of shops next month, it wouldnt last a year. People are now into the habit of travelling to Leeds to do their shopping.
yorkshiredude
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8:59am Fri 7 Sep 12
jh137 wrote:Go to Nandos?
Avro wrote:thats about all anyone can do, if you have kids with you and want something to eat you have to go to the chippie because you cant sit outside Lloyds with minors "because the council dont allow kids at the outside tables".our teenage son had to sit away from us on the (flowerbed)wall after we'd eaten and we took our drinks outside in the sun. if you go to Ginger Goose you can eat inside but the view out not right good.... .lose,lose and as for the fountains, like you said times please!......
old pecker wrote: city Park ! puddle in the middle is nowt but a glorified Kids Paddling Pool, the only thing its attracting is Family's bringing sandwiches for a day out with KidsI totally agree, its a free outing and they then go back home, without having ventured beyond ther park area. The City Park is nothing more than being a very expensive vanity project that has a backdrop of a part demolished Police HQ and the Odeon eyesore. The fountain feature has no indication of when the fountains might 'perform', so visitors are left puzzled as to exactly what the spectacle might be!
Albion.
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10:26am Fri 7 Sep 12
yorkshiredude wrote:No thank's.
jh137 wrote:Go to Nandos?
Avro wrote:thats about all anyone can do, if you have kids with you and want something to eat you have to go to the chippie because you cant sit outside Lloyds with minors "because the council dont allow kids at the outside tables".our teenage son had to sit away from us on the (flowerbed)wall after we'd eaten and we took our drinks outside in the sun. if you go to Ginger Goose you can eat inside but the view out not right good.... .lose,lose and as for the fountains, like you said times please!......
old pecker wrote: city Park ! puddle in the middle is nowt but a glorified Kids Paddling Pool, the only thing its attracting is Family's bringing sandwiches for a day out with KidsI totally agree, its a free outing and they then go back home, without having ventured beyond ther park area. The City Park is nothing more than being a very expensive vanity project that has a backdrop of a part demolished Police HQ and the Odeon eyesore. The fountain feature has no indication of when the fountains might 'perform', so visitors are left puzzled as to exactly what the spectacle might be!
a reasonable sort of chap
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11:50am Fri 7 Sep 12
webshow
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12:50pm Fri 7 Sep 12
Thee Voice of Reason wrote:Correct, the hidden unelected civics in the council just want to fllece the public and couldn't give a monkeys **** about the city or its economy
There are street wardens, unfortuantely they are too busy ticketing cars and driving people out of the City rather than keeping the streets safe.
Commonsensefirst
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1:01pm Fri 7 Sep 12
BD16
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2:44pm Fri 7 Sep 12
Commonsensefirst wrote:I have nothing against alcohol, I'm a consumer myself. I think the point is that if a load of winos are sitting around drinking in public places then it's going to put people off going there to shop, socialise or just enjoy the park.
Some thinly disguised comments about alcohol here. Alcohol isn't cheap and bars have to pay the Government a duty, which makes them less competitive with retailers. The result is fewer bars and less choice. Younger drinkers are less attracted to the City Centre. These are the people who listen to music, buy clothes and fill refreshment bars. Before everyone decides to ban alcoholic consumption they first need to consider where they're going to raise the lost revenue. Alcohol and music is a large chunk of revenue worth in excess of 200 billion pounds. Some of the money raised from alcohol tax goes to Hospitals, Education, Policing and other important services. Reducing the duty on alcohol would generate the city centre, as there would be an increase in turnover. Basic economics.
Let those that have bought alcohol from licensed premises sit outside and enjoy it and drive away the unsociable drunks.
I have to admit that as I don't go into Bradford centre anymore, I would like to but can't because it's crap, I'm commenting on something I don't really know about. But, if what I have read on here over the last months and years is true I won't be tempted to try it again anytime soon.
Mr Bradford
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11:32pm Fri 7 Sep 12
Streets with many empty units are so common in so many towns and cities these days, so it's not as if it's only an issue in Bradford.
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Bradford has moved out of the top 10 worse areas for empty shops now so the situation is improving, and most of the stores that are shutting down are ones that are closing all over the country (Early Learning Centre, Game, Clintons...)
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It's a shame that the T&A seems to get so excited when a business closes, but not when one opens.... Where was the positive publicity when the Fresh Filling Sandwich Bar opened??
Albion.
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6:41am Sun 9 Sep 12
Mr Bradford wrote:We were not exactly short of takeaways before it did.
It could be a lot worse. Market St / Broadway is a small part of the city centre. The Kirkgate Centre has only one unit empty, as does Darley Street, and Forster Sq shopping park doesn't have any.
Streets with many empty units are so common in so many towns and cities these days, so it's not as if it's only an issue in Bradford.
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Bradford has moved out of the top 10 worse areas for empty shops now so the situation is improving, and most of the stores that are shutting down are ones that are closing all over the country (Early Learning Centre, Game, Clintons...)
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It's a shame that the T&A seems to get so excited when a business closes, but not when one opens.... Where was the positive publicity when the Fresh Filling Sandwich Bar opened??
modman61
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8:37pm Sun 9 Sep 12
modman61
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8:41pm Sun 9 Sep 12
a reasonable sort of chap wrote:Negative as per usual! The reason there is no trade is bacuse everyone goes to Leeds where there are better shops. Get some decent shops in Bradfor then the trade will come back. You stick to worrying about your bloody allotments. Thats all your bothered about.
This story clearly indicates why we don't need a new shopping mall. There isn't even enough trade to keep the high street shops going, opening a large shopping mall will make things worse, just like it did in Gateshead years ago when the Metro Centre opened. Say NO to Westfield.
a reasonable sort of chap
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5:57pm Mon 10 Sep 12
modman61 wrote:I don't anyone who goes to Leeds to shop. We have too many shops as it is, and I can get practically everything I need in Bradford, and anything else via the net. We don't need any more shops.
a reasonable sort of chap wrote:Negative as per usual! The reason there is no trade is bacuse everyone goes to Leeds where there are better shops. Get some decent shops in Bradfor then the trade will come back. You stick to worrying about your bloody allotments. Thats all your bothered about.
This story clearly indicates why we don't need a new shopping mall. There isn't even enough trade to keep the high street shops going, opening a large shopping mall will make things worse, just like it did in Gateshead years ago when the Metro Centre opened. Say NO to Westfield.
a reasonable sort of chap
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5:58pm Mon 10 Sep 12
a reasonable sort of chap wrote:*know* anyone....
modman61 wrote:I don't anyone who goes to Leeds to shop. We have too many shops as it is, and I can get practically everything I need in Bradford, and anything else via the net. We don't need any more shops.
a reasonable sort of chap wrote:Negative as per usual! The reason there is no trade is bacuse everyone goes to Leeds where there are better shops. Get some decent shops in Bradfor then the trade will come back. You stick to worrying about your bloody allotments. Thats all your bothered about.
This story clearly indicates why we don't need a new shopping mall. There isn't even enough trade to keep the high street shops going, opening a large shopping mall will make things worse, just like it did in Gateshead years ago when the Metro Centre opened. Say NO to Westfield.
BD16
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8:26pm Mon 10 Sep 12
a reasonable sort of chap wrote:Do you really think that just because you don't know anyone who goes to leeds, A) Nobody goes or, B) nobody should go?
modman61 wrote:I don't anyone who goes to Leeds to shop. We have too many shops as it is, and I can get practically everything I need in Bradford, and anything else via the net. We don't need any more shops.
a reasonable sort of chap wrote:Negative as per usual! The reason there is no trade is bacuse everyone goes to Leeds where there are better shops. Get some decent shops in Bradfor then the trade will come back. You stick to worrying about your bloody allotments. Thats all your bothered about.
This story clearly indicates why we don't need a new shopping mall. There isn't even enough trade to keep the high street shops going, opening a large shopping mall will make things worse, just like it did in Gateshead years ago when the Metro Centre opened. Say NO to Westfield.
Plenty of people who could spend money in Bradford, including me, do go to Leeds whether you know them or if you like it or not.
AHS
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9:03am Tue 11 Sep 12
oswald777
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9:06am Tue 11 Sep 12
Lizzydripping
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12:26pm Tue 11 Sep 12
monkeynutz wrote:Good luck with selling your Bradford house. (You'll need it!)
since 2007,ive been shopping in leeds i nstead of bradford,simply because the city of bradford died some time ago,so as i type this statement i am now looking for a house to buy in leeds.so i'll log off now leaving a simple reminder of a once good city!!!! bradford city, R.I.P.
Lizzydripping
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12:31pm Tue 11 Sep 12
modman61 wrote:Hear! Hear!
The difference between Leeds council is they say something and do it. Not Like Bradford Council who say something and then say something else,it just goes on that is why nothing ever gets done in this city. It's not rocket science so come Bradford council get your act together and do something worth while for a change.
a reasonable sort of chap
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12:56pm Tue 11 Sep 12
Lizzydripping wrote:I think that's, "here, here"...
modman61 wrote:Hear! Hear!
The difference between Leeds council is they say something and do it. Not Like Bradford Council who say something and then say something else,it just goes on that is why nothing ever gets done in this city. It's not rocket science so come Bradford council get your act together and do something worth while for a change.
a reasonable sort of chap
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1:02pm Tue 11 Sep 12
oswald777 wrote:Sorry to contradict but you are mistaken. Bradford has always been a place of immigration. The first wave of mass immigrants to arrive here were the Irish in the 19th Century, followed by many Germans, Poles, Latvians, Lithuanians, so immigration is nothing new and certainly not the cause of Bradford's decline as you suggest. Bradford has declined because there is no industry.
If we are going to be brutally honest about the whole situation then i think uncontrolled immigration has been responsible for the death of this once decent city, walk round Bradford any day of the week and it is obvious why decent shoppers choose to go elswhere, it's a dump attracting people suited to a dump.
a reasonable sort of chap
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1:11pm Tue 11 Sep 12
thatsnotmyname wrote:"pushed about by asian gangs"?
What a great place Market street is. Ive always liked wandering down fighting through the crowds of people smoking and eating pasties. Or getting pushed about by asian gangs.
The truth about the demise of Bradford is that it's a horrible place to shop and a lot of the population are horrid too.
Theres nothing the council could do to save the city centre, it will get worse and it will die a long horrible death.
What are you talking about? I have never ever been "pushed about by asian gangs" in Bradford city centre or anywhere else for that matter, not once, and I don't know of anyone who has! Could it be that you are guilty of blind prejudice and are simply making it up off the top of your head out of pure xenophobia?
BD16
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2:46pm Tue 11 Sep 12
a reasonable sort of chap wrote:No, Lizzy is correct.
Lizzydripping wrote:I think that's, "here, here"...modman61 wrote: The difference between Leeds council is they say something and do it. Not Like Bradford Council who say something and then say something else,it just goes on that is why nothing ever gets done in this city. It's not rocket science so come Bradford council get your act together and do something worth while for a change.Hear! Hear!
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Spanishbob19
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3:57pm Tue 11 Sep 12
a reasonable sort of chap wrote:I think you'll find that its "Hear Hear" which is a parliamentry phrase.
Lizzydripping wrote:I think that's, "here, here"...
modman61 wrote:Hear! Hear!
The difference between Leeds council is they say something and do it. Not Like Bradford Council who say something and then say something else,it just goes on that is why nothing ever gets done in this city. It's not rocket science so come Bradford council get your act together and do something worth while for a change.
old pecker says...
7:09am Thu 6 Sep 12
the only thing its attracting is Family's bringing sandwiches for a day out with Kids