Twice as many drivers abusing disabled blue badges (From Bradford Telegraph and Argus)

So that's 20 'frauds' out of 17,400 users.
Not really epidemic proportions then is it?
Compared to uninsured/untaxed vehicle fraud, it's a non story.

I understand the best way to avoid 'detection' is to 'obtain' a badge from an out of town authority and which is a far greater problem to check on and not at all outside the hours of 8 - 4 Mon -Fri.

It's amazing the number using blue badgers who park in the disabled bays a supermarkets and then find the energy to run into the store!

Al Spade wrote:
It's amazing the number using blue badgers who park in the disabled bays a supermarkets and then find the energy to run into the store!

Blue badges have no authority or power on private land, they are only valid for on street or council car parks, same as any Impersonation of authority fake parking tickets issued in private car parks, they have no authority.
So blue badges in supermarkets have the same authority as a beermat.

Max fine £1000. Which means a slap on the wrist and fifty quid.

Hardly surprising really. Crime is bound to increase due to the Tory spending cuts making everyone poorer whilst simultaneously reducing Police and Council services. Blame Cameron & Osborne.

P.S.

HOW THE HELL IS ANYONE SUPPOSED TO RECOGNIZE THIS MAN ???

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THE PHOTO IS TERRIBLE! HE COULD BE ANYONE !

AM I MEANT TO NOW CALL THE POLICE EVERY TIME I SEE A 6FT TALL BEARDED MUSLIM ????

AND WHY NO COMMENT SECTION ?????

vax2002 wrote:

Al Spade wrote: It's amazing the number using blue badgers who park in the disabled bays a supermarkets and then find the energy to run into the store!

Blue badges have no authority or power on private land, they are only valid for on street or council car parks, same as any Impersonation of authority fake parking tickets issued in private car parks, they have no authority. So blue badges in supermarkets have the same authority as a beermat.

Morrisons would dissagree with you, just park on Enterprise 5 or Victoria without a Badge in dissabled space and they onto you straight away to move.

a reasonable sort of chap wrote:
P.S.

HOW THE HELL IS ANYONE SUPPOSED TO RECOGNIZE THIS MAN ???

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THE PHOTO IS TERRIBLE! HE COULD BE ANYONE !

AM I MEANT TO NOW CALL THE POLICE EVERY TIME I SEE A 6FT TALL BEARDED MUSLIM ????

AND WHY NO COMMENT SECTION ?????

Yes! Just to be on the safe side.

vax2002 wrote:

Al Spade wrote: It's amazing the number using blue badgers who park in the disabled bays a supermarkets and then find the energy to run into the store!

Blue badges have no authority or power on private land, they are only valid for on street or council car parks, same as any Impersonation of authority fake parking tickets issued in private car parks, they have no authority. So blue badges in supermarkets have the same authority as a beermat.

You park in a supermarket car park agreeing to the conditions displayed and in doing so have a contract. You can be prosecuted for using a disabled bay if you or someone using the vehicle is not the holder of such. Little or no knowledge very dangerous.

a reasonable sort of chap wrote:
P.S. HOW THE HELL IS ANYONE SUPPOSED TO RECOGNIZE THIS MAN ??? http://www.thetelegr aphandargus.co.uk/ne ws/9894216.Police_is sue_photograph_of_ma n_wanted_over_violen t_robberies_in_Manni ngham/ THE PHOTO IS TERRIBLE! HE COULD BE ANYONE ! AM I MEANT TO NOW CALL THE POLICE EVERY TIME I SEE A 6FT TALL BEARDED MUSLIM ???? AND WHY NO COMMENT SECTION ?????

Why is race coming into this and an allegation that the man is a muslim.

Correctness wrote:

vax2002 wrote:

Al Spade wrote: It's amazing the number using blue badgers who park in the disabled bays a supermarkets and then find the energy to run into the store!

Blue badges have no authority or power on private land, they are only valid for on street or council car parks, same as any Impersonation of authority fake parking tickets issued in private car parks, they have no authority. So blue badges in supermarkets have the same authority as a beermat.

You park in a supermarket car park agreeing to the conditions displayed and in doing so have a contract. You can be prosecuted for using a disabled bay if you or someone using the vehicle is not the holder of such. Little or no knowledge very dangerous.

Complete and UTTER HOGWASH !
Please post a link to the legislation that lets a private company "prosecute" someone for not having a blue badge in a disabled bay in a supermarket. I await...
However the disability discrimination act DOES apply in supermarkets and anyone targeted by a supermarket for not displaying a blue badge when they are entitled to reasonable adjustments under that act can prosecute the supermarket under said legislation.
Blue badges DO NOT APPLY on private land or car parks, any "fines or tickets issued in private car parks can be safely ignored.
As the article states, many are abused and even more genuinely disabled people can not get a blue badge at all as they dont pass the "scam" test to get one, the test favours liars who know the "right" answers and genuine applicants get nothing.

If blue badges are used by genuine disabled people all well and good. The problem is they are used by other members of the family so they can just park anyway and avoid parking costs.

Correctness wrote:

a reasonable sort of chap wrote:
P.S. HOW THE HELL IS ANYONE SUPPOSED TO RECOGNIZE THIS MAN ??? http://www.thetelegr aphandargus.co.uk/ne ws/9894216.Police_is sue_photograph_of_ma n_wanted_over_violen t_robberies_in_Manni ngham/ THE PHOTO IS TERRIBLE! HE COULD BE ANYONE ! AM I MEANT TO NOW CALL THE POLICE EVERY TIME I SEE A 6FT TALL BEARDED MUSLIM ???? AND WHY NO COMMENT SECTION ?????

Why is race coming into this and an allegation that the man is a muslim.

READ THE STORY, IDIOT.

Correctness wrote:

a reasonable sort of chap wrote:
P.S. HOW THE HELL IS ANYONE SUPPOSED TO RECOGNIZE THIS MAN ??? http://www.thetelegr aphandargus.co.uk/ne ws/9894216.Police_is sue_photograph_of_ma n_wanted_over_violen t_robberies_in_Manni ngham/ THE PHOTO IS TERRIBLE! HE COULD BE ANYONE ! AM I MEANT TO NOW CALL THE POLICE EVERY TIME I SEE A 6FT TALL BEARDED MUSLIM ???? AND WHY NO COMMENT SECTION ?????

Why is race coming into this and an allegation that the man is a muslim.

Because the story in question says so numpty....Jeez!

“The suspect is believed to be Asian, about 6ft tall, in his 30s, with a full beard, and of medium build."
"On each occasion the suspect was wearing traditional Muslim dress."

vax2002 wrote:

Correctness wrote:

vax2002 wrote:

Al Spade wrote: It's amazing the number using blue badgers who park in the disabled bays a supermarkets and then find the energy to run into the store!

Blue badges have no authority or power on private land, they are only valid for on street or council car parks, same as any Impersonation of authority fake parking tickets issued in private car parks, they have no authority. So blue badges in supermarkets have the same authority as a beermat.

You park in a supermarket car park agreeing to the conditions displayed and in doing so have a contract. You can be prosecuted for using a disabled bay if you or someone using the vehicle is not the holder of such. Little or no knowledge very dangerous.

Complete and UTTER HOGWASH !
Please post a link to the legislation that lets a private company "prosecute" someone for not having a blue badge in a disabled bay in a supermarket. I await...
However the disability discrimination act DOES apply in supermarkets and anyone targeted by a supermarket for not displaying a blue badge when they are entitled to reasonable adjustments under that act can prosecute the supermarket under said legislation.
Blue badges DO NOT APPLY on private land or car parks, any "fines or tickets issued in private car parks can be safely ignored.
As the article states, many are abused and even more genuinely disabled people can not get a blue badge at all as they dont pass the "scam" test to get one, the test favours liars who know the "right" answers and genuine applicants get nothing.

It's idiots like you who make other idiots believe they can park in disabled bays and get away with it, yes on private land a person with a disability can park in a marked bay without a badge and use that as a defence against the parking charge, however that is all they can do, they can't use it as a claim under the DDA as there is sufficient provision for disabled parking under the law, at most they would get the parking charge quashed, and even then they may end up with a substantial legal and medical bill just from trying to prove disability without holding badges.. in this day and age legitimate blue badge holders have a hard enough time due to the current trend for ' disability bashing ' as it is without poorly considered ' expert ' twaddle like you have posted.

vax2002 wrote:

Correctness wrote:

vax2002 wrote:

Al Spade wrote: It's amazing the number using blue badgers who park in the disabled bays a supermarkets and then find the energy to run into the store!

Blue badges have no authority or power on private land, they are only valid for on street or council car parks, same as any Impersonation of authority fake parking tickets issued in private car parks, they have no authority. So blue badges in supermarkets have the same authority as a beermat.

You park in a supermarket car park agreeing to the conditions displayed and in doing so have a contract. You can be prosecuted for using a disabled bay if you or someone using the vehicle is not the holder of such. Little or no knowledge very dangerous.

Complete and UTTER HOGWASH !
Please post a link to the legislation that lets a private company "prosecute" someone for not having a blue badge in a disabled bay in a supermarket. I await...
However the disability discrimination act DOES apply in supermarkets and anyone targeted by a supermarket for not displaying a blue badge when they are entitled to reasonable adjustments under that act can prosecute the supermarket under said legislation.
Blue badges DO NOT APPLY on private land or car parks, any "fines or tickets issued in private car parks can be safely ignored.
As the article states, many are abused and even more genuinely disabled people can not get a blue badge at all as they dont pass the "scam" test to get one, the test favours liars who know the "right" answers and genuine applicants get nothing.

It's idiots like you who make other idiots believe they can park in disabled bays and get away with it, yes on private land a person with a disability can park in a marked bay without a badge and use that as a defence against the parking charge, however that is all they can do, they can't use it as a claim under the DDA as there is sufficient provision for disabled parking under the law, at most they would get the parking charge quashed, and even then they may end up with a substantial legal and medical bill just from trying to prove disability without holding badges.. in this day and age legitimate blue badge holders have a hard enough time due to the current trend for ' disability bashing ' as it is without poorly considered ' expert ' twaddle like you have posted.

So a perfactly good newspaper article gets hi-jacked by idiots as per usual.
The article highlights the fact that more blue badges are being mis-used.
There is no way this can be tollerated without trying to aprehend the criminals (and they are criminals) who try to avoid paying legitimate parking fees or 'steal' the benefits afforded to genuine blue-badge holders

mad matt wrote:
So a perfactly good newspaper article gets hi-jacked by idiots as per usual.
The article highlights the fact that more blue badges are being mis-used.
There is no way this can be tollerated without trying to aprehend the criminals (and they are criminals) who try to avoid paying legitimate parking fees or 'steal' the benefits afforded to genuine blue-badge holders

Hijacked by idiots = commented upon in the usual manner.

Biker71 wrote:

vax2002 wrote:

Correctness wrote:

vax2002 wrote:

Al Spade wrote: It's amazing the number using blue badgers who park in the disabled bays a supermarkets and then find the energy to run into the store!

Blue badges have no authority or power on private land, they are only valid for on street or council car parks, same as any Impersonation of authority fake parking tickets issued in private car parks, they have no authority. So blue badges in supermarkets have the same authority as a beermat.

You park in a supermarket car park agreeing to the conditions displayed and in doing so have a contract. You can be prosecuted for using a disabled bay if you or someone using the vehicle is not the holder of such. Little or no knowledge very dangerous.

Complete and UTTER HOGWASH !
Please post a link to the legislation that lets a private company "prosecute" someone for not having a blue badge in a disabled bay in a supermarket. I await...
However the disability discrimination act DOES apply in supermarkets and anyone targeted by a supermarket for not displaying a blue badge when they are entitled to reasonable adjustments under that act can prosecute the supermarket under said legislation.
Blue badges DO NOT APPLY on private land or car parks, any "fines or tickets issued in private car parks can be safely ignored.
As the article states, many are abused and even more genuinely disabled people can not get a blue badge at all as they dont pass the "scam" test to get one, the test favours liars who know the "right" answers and genuine applicants get nothing.

It's idiots like you who make other idiots believe they can park in disabled bays and get away with it, yes on private land a person with a disability can park in a marked bay without a badge and use that as a defence against the parking charge, however that is all they can do, they can't use it as a claim under the DDA as there is sufficient provision for disabled parking under the law, at most they would get the parking charge quashed, and even then they may end up with a substantial legal and medical bill just from trying to prove disability without holding badges.. in this day and age legitimate blue badge holders have a hard enough time due to the current trend for ' disability bashing ' as it is without poorly considered ' expert ' twaddle like you have posted.

Prove to who ?
A parking Charge notice is NOT a penalty charge notice issued by the council, it is a fake impersonation of authority that can be IGNORED, you do not have to prove anything to anyone, the onus would be on the scam parking company to PROVE you had caused them a loss in court, which is virtually impossible.
Private parking charge companies have NO legal authority to issue fines of penalties, what they do issue are mealy speculative invoices.
BLUE BADGES HAVE NO STANDING ON PRIVATELY OWNED CAR PARKS, they are only valid on Council owned car parks and on-street parking.
Private Parking companies target disabled drivers for any minor excuse as they see them as an easy target.
The inability of you to know the difference between a fake scam parking ticket and a real one makes a laughing stock of you.

Vax2002, I am completely astounded at your arrogance on this, any land owner is perfectly at liberty to charge what they will for the use of that land, super markets et al have an agreement in their policies to provide parking at a chargeable rate, they then agree to waive that charge provided certain terms are met, should you fail to meet those terms they can charge what is initially quoted, perfectly legally and recoverable through the civil courts. It is YOU sir who is making yourself a laughing stock by claiming that private land owners are issuing parking tickets, they are issuing a perfectly legal and enforceable parking CHARGE for use of their facilities. Should your constant twaddle be believed it would mean that no parking charge could ever be levied, we could all park on any car park and fail to pay etc with complete immunity from excess charges or fees.. The fact you constantly seem to be reverting to anti-blue badge rants seems to point to the fact you have had some form of bad experience and would like everyone to suffer the same.

vax2002 wrote:

Biker71 wrote:

vax2002 wrote:

Correctness wrote:

vax2002 wrote:

Al Spade wrote: It's amazing the number using blue badgers who park in the disabled bays a supermarkets and then find the energy to run into the store!

Blue badges have no authority or power on private land, they are only valid for on street or council car parks, same as any Impersonation of authority fake parking tickets issued in private car parks, they have no authority. So blue badges in supermarkets have the same authority as a beermat.

You park in a supermarket car park agreeing to the conditions displayed and in doing so have a contract. You can be prosecuted for using a disabled bay if you or someone using the vehicle is not the holder of such. Little or no knowledge very dangerous.

Complete and UTTER HOGWASH !
Please post a link to the legislation that lets a private company "prosecute" someone for not having a blue badge in a disabled bay in a supermarket. I await...
However the disability discrimination act DOES apply in supermarkets and anyone targeted by a supermarket for not displaying a blue badge when they are entitled to reasonable adjustments under that act can prosecute the supermarket under said legislation.
Blue badges DO NOT APPLY on private land or car parks, any "fines or tickets issued in private car parks can be safely ignored.
As the article states, many are abused and even more genuinely disabled people can not get a blue badge at all as they dont pass the "scam" test to get one, the test favours liars who know the "right" answers and genuine applicants get nothing.

It's idiots like you who make other idiots believe they can park in disabled bays and get away with it, yes on private land a person with a disability can park in a marked bay without a badge and use that as a defence against the parking charge, however that is all they can do, they can't use it as a claim under the DDA as there is sufficient provision for disabled parking under the law, at most they would get the parking charge quashed, and even then they may end up with a substantial legal and medical bill just from trying to prove disability without holding badges.. in this day and age legitimate blue badge holders have a hard enough time due to the current trend for ' disability bashing ' as it is without poorly considered ' expert ' twaddle like you have posted.

Prove to who ?
A parking Charge notice is NOT a penalty charge notice issued by the council, it is a fake impersonation of authority that can be IGNORED, you do not have to prove anything to anyone, the onus would be on the scam parking company to PROVE you had caused them a loss in court, which is virtually impossible.
Private parking charge companies have NO legal authority to issue fines of penalties, what they do issue are mealy speculative invoices.
BLUE BADGES HAVE NO STANDING ON PRIVATELY OWNED CAR PARKS, they are only valid on Council owned car parks and on-street parking.
Private Parking companies target disabled drivers for any minor excuse as they see them as an easy target.
The inability of you to know the difference between a fake scam parking ticket and a real one makes a laughing stock of you.

Old Ted up in Haworth would soon put you right.

Take it Biker 71 is the mouthpiece of a PPC parking firm.
Well ok a can of worms never opens itself, nice one biker 71 so for the record anyone receiving a "parking charge notice" seek further advice from a reputable forum, you may just save yourself a lot of money and crooks like biker71 have enough money scammed from motorists already.

a reasonable sort of chap wrote:
Hardly surprising really. Crime is bound to increase due to the Tory spending cuts making everyone poorer whilst simultaneously reducing Police and Council services. Blame Cameron & Osborne.

dic-khead.
its all the conservatives fault, blah blah.
get a grip.
labour destroyed this country with its open door policy to cheap immigrant workforce and now we are all suffering.
every immigrant that works brings 4 or 5 family members with him who does not!!
you work out the maths.
back to the real story, misuse of badge should be instant badge removal, end of problem.

wobbley-bob wrote:
So that's 20 'frauds' out of 17,400 users.
Not really epidemic proportions then is it?
Compared to uninsured/untaxed vehicle fraud, it's a non story.

This is probably done by the exact same people!

want to try going down to the retail park's in Bradford and see who has a badge and them that don't ... parking in disable space's ! !

That got everybody going.

Seen healthy pillocks parking in disabled bays? Take a photo and post on twitter with #RSOLE. Join in and shame the pillocks.

Seen healthy pillocks parking in disabled bays? Take a photo and post on twitter with #RSOLE. Join in and shame the pillocks.

Seen healthy pillocks parking in disabled bays? Take a photo and post on twitter with #RSOLE. Join in and shame the pillocks.

still got a pulse wrote:
Seen healthy pillocks parking in disabled bays? Take a photo and post on twitter with #RSOLE. Join in and shame the pillocks.

What a waste of time: like they'd CARE (even IF - by some remote chance - they came across such a pointless and obscure twitter page). You seem to be crediting people who are not entitled to park in disabled bays (but do so anyway) with a level of consideration and decency that the majority of normal folk share. That is a mistake.

I see the blue badge scheme being abused regularly at my local gym. Quite often the cars parked in the disabled spaces don't have the badge or - and this is quite common - the car does seem to have the badge but the car is conspicuously flash. For example the one there yesterday was a 12-plate Range Rover Autobiography with blue badge on the dash (which is typical of the kind of vehicle I'm talking about). Now I'm not suggesting that all disabled aren't well-off and can't afford these 'little luxuries' but let's just say it looks 'a little suss' (either that or there are indeed a lot of disabled folk about that are indeed 'rolling in it').

As per PB says how many flash high performance cars do you see with blue badges on the dash? Surely if these people are genuine a small normal car would do. I suspect it is younger members of the family who are abusing the system. Perhaps when a blue badge is issued it should include the registration number of the car it is proper to. Just a thought.

Maybe it should just read "Twice as many diverse drivers abusing disabled blue badges. Statatititions baffled. Yorkshire folk baffled at bafflement."

Biker 71 - Unless contract law has changed since I studied it, a "penalty charge demand" is unenforceable. It is a demand for payment arising from a notional loss. However, the claimant has to quantify the loss caused, and in the case of parking, it is so small as to not merit the cost of collection.

Of course, the parking firm is not incuring the loss, so it is a moot point anyway as to whether they can levy an invoice. That invoice has to be served on the driver. all they get from DVLA is the keeper's details. Massive, no huuge differance and another reason not to engage with them.

So, if you received a penatly demand or any iteration thereof, usually in a black and yellow wrapper to make it look like a genuine PCN (itself an offence) then bin it.

You will get the usual rubbish from Roxburghe Debt collection and some fud called Michael Sobell, each time inflating the charge but stick to it and ignore them.

The only area I would counsel caution is a charge from a railway carpark. Case law indicates this is a grey area but increasingly it seems the Railway Premises Act is being used to secure payment in the court.