Bradford City in last-ditch bid to rescue the Bulls

Bradford City joint chairman Julian Rhodes

Bradford City joint chairman Julian Rhodes

First published in News Bradford Telegraph and Argus: Photograph of the Author Exclusive by , T&A Reporter

Bradford City football club has tabled a shock eleventh-hour bid for struggling Bradford Bulls, the Telegraph & Argus can exclusively reveal.

The last-ditch deal, which carries no conditions, was discussed by the Rugby Football League during a “very positive” conference call with its chief executive Nigel Wood, who is in Australia, last night.

After the meeting, the governing body said the offer, which has gazumped a potential buyout by Super League Europe, was the first unconditional offer it had received and talks would continue over the next 48 hours.

When approached for comment, Bantams’ joint chairman Julian Rhodes, who has previously spoken about the clubs sharing a ground, refused to confirm it had submitted an offer.

But he revealed the club had been speaking to the RFL and administrator Brendan Guilfoyle about how it could help its struggling neighbour.

“We just wanted to see how we could help to keep the club alive, whether that’s in the Super League or in the Championship,” he said.

“We don’t want to see the club die.”

Mr Guilfoyle yesterday announced news of the fresh bid which was submitted to the RFL last Friday – two days after SLE submitted its “last chance saloon” bid on behalf of Bulls’ 13 rival top-flight sides to stave off the threat of liquidation.

After yesterday’s meeting, an RFL spokesman said it believed the offer had convinced the new buyer to come forward.

“The meeting was very positive,” he said.

“The Super League clubs put in their bid last Wednesday and this offer came forward on Friday. This offer came from nowhere, from someone who hadn’t contacted the administrator before.

“By making an offer, the Super League clubs were able to show their confidence in Bradford Bulls.

“This is the first time since this started that we have been able to consider an unconditional offer.”

The new offer, for an undisclosed sum, is the fourth bid Mr Guilfoyle has received for the financially-stricken club, which has been in administration since June 26.

Previous bids from a consortium of Bradford businessmen, known as ABC, were rejected because of the conditions attached.

Mr Guilfoyle said yesterday: “I understand the frustration of fans, players and staff that we haven’t sold the club yet. The administrators have a duty to creditors to aim to get the best deal possible so we submit all offers where funds are proved.

“This new offer is for more than SLE put forward so we felt obliged to submit to the RFL for consideration.”

A source connected to ABC yesterday confirmed it had not tabled the new bid, but said the potential takeover was “good news for Bradford Bulls”.

“It’s good that people have come forward. It’s not us, but it’s a step in the right direction,” he added.

Former Sports Minister Gerry Sutcliffe had also fronted a bid from Bradford restaurant owner Omar Khan, although it has not been seen by the RFL.

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7:05am Thu 9 Aug 12

BCFC1234 says...

Taken over by a club that nearly ended up in non-league football last year. Hope no Bulls fans bought long term season tickets last year !
Taken over by a club that nearly ended up in non-league football last year. Hope no Bulls fans bought long term season tickets last year ! BCFC1234
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7:20am Thu 9 Aug 12

spleen ventor says...

It begs the question...if Rhodes and Lawn have enough spare cash floating around to make an offer for the Bulls...why isn't it being put to better use...like trying to buy back Valley Parade...or team strengthening?
It begs the question...if Rhodes and Lawn have enough spare cash floating around to make an offer for the Bulls...why isn't it being put to better use...like trying to buy back Valley Parade...or team strengthening? spleen ventor
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7:22am Thu 9 Aug 12

Blotto says...

Amateur Hour again!
Amateur Hour again! Blotto
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7:26am Thu 9 Aug 12

spleen ventor says...

Just had another thought (dangerous I know!)...unless City have another buyer already lined up and aim to make a quick buck...ABC?
Just had another thought (dangerous I know!)...unless City have another buyer already lined up and aim to make a quick buck...ABC? spleen ventor
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7:33am Thu 9 Aug 12

Laney1989 says...

Very funny...Bradford City's **** :-)
Very funny...Bradford City's **** :-) Laney1989
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7:35am Thu 9 Aug 12

TheApprentice says...

Why the negativity? It could be a great way for the two clubs to share resources and end the slightly odd battle between the two sets of fans. Hope the bid is successful and it helps both clubs improve.
Why the negativity? It could be a great way for the two clubs to share resources and end the slightly odd battle between the two sets of fans. Hope the bid is successful and it helps both clubs improve. TheApprentice
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7:39am Thu 9 Aug 12

bantamcougar says...

spleen ventor wrote:
Just had another thought (dangerous I know!)...unless City have another buyer already lined up and aim to make a quick buck...ABC?
Was thinking exactly the same
[quote][p][bold]spleen ventor[/bold] wrote: Just had another thought (dangerous I know!)...unless City have another buyer already lined up and aim to make a quick buck...ABC?[/p][/quote]Was thinking exactly the same bantamcougar
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7:39am Thu 9 Aug 12

Wots up says...

Very interesting. If this goes through could a certain MO be ready to pounce for both clubs.
Very interesting. If this goes through could a certain MO be ready to pounce for both clubs. Wots up
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7:52am Thu 9 Aug 12

bantamcougar says...

Laney1989 wrote:
Very funny...Bradford City's **** :-)
Could be worse could be City and the Rhinos, now that would be bizarre in the the extreme !!
[quote][p][bold]Laney1989[/bold] wrote: Very funny...Bradford City's **** :-)[/p][/quote]Could be worse could be City and the Rhinos, now that would be bizarre in the the extreme !! bantamcougar
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7:57am Thu 9 Aug 12

Mr Perks says...

All you Bulls' fans will absolutely love Mr Mark Lawn and his MASSIVE MAW should this actually happen. Prepare to be continuously criticised and have your 'right to reply' via any official message board removed for starters!
All you Bulls' fans will absolutely love Mr Mark Lawn and his MASSIVE MAW should this actually happen. Prepare to be continuously criticised and have your 'right to reply' via any official message board removed for starters! Mr Perks
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7:58am Thu 9 Aug 12

Laney1989 says...

Oh here we go again...
Change the record BantamCougar you are boring me.
Oh here we go again... Change the record BantamCougar you are boring me. Laney1989
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8:01am Thu 9 Aug 12

scandanavian's love child52 says...

Cant wait to see all the backtracking the bulls fans do after reading this after doing nothing but slate city fans for even having an opinion. They were talking of a boycott at huddersfield till hudds gave them money, about turn :-)
Cant wait to see all the backtracking the bulls fans do after reading this after doing nothing but slate city fans for even having an opinion. They were talking of a boycott at huddersfield till hudds gave them money, about turn :-) scandanavian's love child52
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8:05am Thu 9 Aug 12

bantamcougar says...

Laney1989 wrote:
Oh here we go again...
Change the record BantamCougar you are boring me.
Marching on together
[quote][p][bold]Laney1989[/bold] wrote: Oh here we go again... Change the record BantamCougar you are boring me.[/p][/quote]Marching on together bantamcougar
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8:05am Thu 9 Aug 12

Thee Voice of Reason says...

Wasn't some idiot on here slagging off football yesterday and now it looks like football could be saving your club.

At least us football fans can now pass comment on the Bulls as it now concerns us.
Wasn't some idiot on here slagging off football yesterday and now it looks like football could be saving your club. At least us football fans can now pass comment on the Bulls as it now concerns us. Thee Voice of Reason
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8:06am Thu 9 Aug 12

Thee Voice of Reason says...

scandanavian's love child52 wrote:
Cant wait to see all the backtracking the bulls fans do after reading this after doing nothing but slate city fans for even having an opinion. They were talking of a boycott at huddersfield till hudds gave them money, about turn :-)
Hehe.
[quote][p][bold]scandanavian's love child52[/bold] wrote: Cant wait to see all the backtracking the bulls fans do after reading this after doing nothing but slate city fans for even having an opinion. They were talking of a boycott at huddersfield till hudds gave them money, about turn :-)[/p][/quote]Hehe. Thee Voice of Reason
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8:11am Thu 9 Aug 12

scandanavian's love child52 says...

The predicted VP move comes ever closer followed by the "I cant leave my car there " moaners.
The predicted VP move comes ever closer followed by the "I cant leave my car there " moaners. scandanavian's love child52
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8:13am Thu 9 Aug 12

bantamcougar says...

Not seen a Bulls fan comment yet, but it still may not happen, can they live side by side time will tell, it could be good for sport in the city of Bradford if it comes off, bringing the supporters together may stop the glory hunter fans supporting teams from a different city, who knows, I think fans of both clubs could have a big influence in all this.
Not seen a Bulls fan comment yet, but it still may not happen, can they live side by side time will tell, it could be good for sport in the city of Bradford if it comes off, bringing the supporters together may stop the glory hunter fans supporting teams from a different city, who knows, I think fans of both clubs could have a big influence in all this. bantamcougar
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8:13am Thu 9 Aug 12

_Size3_ says...

Well...as a City fan I'm not sure what the eff to think about this. I'm all for an unconditional offer saving the Bulls - I only ever disagreed with the conditional offers....but unconditional offer from us? Dunno....

I don't particularly want our club tied to a company losing a hundred grand a month...we've only just got ourselves in the black on a consistant basis. Not only that, the Bulls fans seem all they want to do is slag off anyone who wishes to help them due to some God-complex or other.

Ground share would be well on the cards if this went through hahaha.
Well...as a City fan I'm not sure what the eff to think about this. I'm all for an unconditional offer saving the Bulls - I only ever disagreed with the conditional offers....but unconditional offer from us? Dunno.... I don't particularly want our club tied to a company losing a hundred grand a month...we've only just got ourselves in the black on a consistant basis. Not only that, the Bulls fans seem all they want to do is slag off anyone who wishes to help them due to some God-complex or other. Ground share would be well on the cards if this went through hahaha. _Size3_
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8:13am Thu 9 Aug 12

fletch87 says...

Funny how we can afford to save the Bulls but yet only a few seasons ago, us BCFC fans were putting money into helping to pay the rent for our ground!
I would like to know where this money Rhodes and Lawn have, has come from.
Don't get me wrong, I would like to see the Bulls saved but I would also like my football team to keep going. I just hope that if this offer does go through, BCFC doesn't get into anymore financial worries due to us not having the money to pay off debts such as the rent on VP.
Funny how we can afford to save the Bulls but yet only a few seasons ago, us BCFC fans were putting money into helping to pay the rent for our ground! I would like to know where this money Rhodes and Lawn have, has come from. Don't get me wrong, I would like to see the Bulls saved but I would also like my football team to keep going. I just hope that if this offer does go through, BCFC doesn't get into anymore financial worries due to us not having the money to pay off debts such as the rent on VP. fletch87
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8:15am Thu 9 Aug 12

billybobbull says...

How bizarre! Billy Smart will be next!
How bizarre! Billy Smart will be next! billybobbull
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8:16am Thu 9 Aug 12

Laney1989 says...

bantamcougar wrote:
Laney1989 wrote:
Oh here we go again...
Change the record BantamCougar you are boring me.
Marching on together
Yeah exactly clown.
Anyway I'd concentrate on that Cougar's side of yours.
Do you want 50p? HAHA
[quote][p][bold]bantamcougar[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Laney1989[/bold] wrote: Oh here we go again... Change the record BantamCougar you are boring me.[/p][/quote]Marching on together[/p][/quote]Yeah exactly clown. Anyway I'd concentrate on that Cougar's side of yours. Do you want 50p? HAHA Laney1989
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8:16am Thu 9 Aug 12

Thee Voice of Reason says...

Lets hope Lawn and Rhodes don't actually think the Championship being mentioned is the football equivalent.
Lets hope Lawn and Rhodes don't actually think the Championship being mentioned is the football equivalent. Thee Voice of Reason
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8:20am Thu 9 Aug 12

king karl says...

word is city would move to odsal !!!
word is city would move to odsal !!! king karl
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8:21am Thu 9 Aug 12

Laney1989 says...

King Karl - Odsal doesn't meet FL criteria I'm led to believe.
King Karl - Odsal doesn't meet FL criteria I'm led to believe. Laney1989
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8:22am Thu 9 Aug 12

bantamcougar says...

Laney1989 wrote:
bantamcougar wrote:
Laney1989 wrote:
Oh here we go again...
Change the record BantamCougar you are boring me.
Marching on together
Yeah exactly clown.
Anyway I'd concentrate on that Cougar's side of yours.
Do you want 50p? HAHA
No your ok mate spend your 50p at Headingley the Cougars are doing just fine thank you, hope it works out for the Bulls
[quote][p][bold]Laney1989[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]bantamcougar[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Laney1989[/bold] wrote: Oh here we go again... Change the record BantamCougar you are boring me.[/p][/quote]Marching on together[/p][/quote]Yeah exactly clown. Anyway I'd concentrate on that Cougar's side of yours. Do you want 50p? HAHA[/p][/quote]No your ok mate spend your 50p at Headingley the Cougars are doing just fine thank you, hope it works out for the Bulls bantamcougar
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8:22am Thu 9 Aug 12

billybobbull says...

I think this will have needed some bigger player, behind the scenes, who really does care about sport in Bradford, I do hope so. One thing for sure, long term it would mean both teams at Odsal. A gateway ground with a small rent, and lots of development opportunities.
Let's see ....the hooter has not gone yet.
I think this will have needed some bigger player, behind the scenes, who really does care about sport in Bradford, I do hope so. One thing for sure, long term it would mean both teams at Odsal. A gateway ground with a small rent, and lots of development opportunities. Let's see ....the hooter has not gone yet. billybobbull
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8:24am Thu 9 Aug 12

Mike Strutter says...

Haha, you couldn't make it up.

Watching some of the knuckle grazing racists back tracking on their facist views and cosying up to ABC was funny enough.
Will be interesting to see what the anti BCFC brigade have to say !!

If I was a Bantam, I would be very worried, this is one millstone you don't want round your neck.

Bulls in the championship next year and BCFC in the conference season after next me thinks.
Haha, you couldn't make it up. Watching some of the knuckle grazing racists back tracking on their facist views and cosying up to ABC was funny enough. Will be interesting to see what the anti BCFC brigade have to say !! If I was a Bantam, I would be very worried, this is one millstone you don't want round your neck. Bulls in the championship next year and BCFC in the conference season after next me thinks. Mike Strutter
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8:25am Thu 9 Aug 12

flashdonut says...

Bulls fan here. My honest opinion is it is about time. Share resources, share staff, share facilities. The best way forward. One clb doctor, one physion, one groundsamn. A few people will lose their job, that is a shame. But times are hard. People are out of work all over. The clubs should 'merge' and reduce overheads. Hull FC & Hull City share, as do Wigan's. Has to be done.
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Question is, where? Bulls to VP? Best stadium without a doubt. Location is iffy, not for where it is but Odsal is bang next to motorway. But Odsal is a dump, no doubting. Most amateur clubs have better facilities.
Bulls fan here. My honest opinion is it is about time. Share resources, share staff, share facilities. The best way forward. One clb doctor, one physion, one groundsamn. A few people will lose their job, that is a shame. But times are hard. People are out of work all over. The clubs should 'merge' and reduce overheads. Hull FC & Hull City share, as do Wigan's. Has to be done. . Question is, where? Bulls to VP? Best stadium without a doubt. Location is iffy, not for where it is but Odsal is bang next to motorway. But Odsal is a dump, no doubting. Most amateur clubs have better facilities. flashdonut
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8:26am Thu 9 Aug 12

Mike Strutter says...

Laney1989 wrote:
King Karl - Odsal doesn't meet FL criteria I'm led to believe.
No but does it meet conference crieria ?

That's all you need to worry about.
[quote][p][bold]Laney1989[/bold] wrote: King Karl - Odsal doesn't meet FL criteria I'm led to believe.[/p][/quote]No but does it meet conference crieria ? That's all you need to worry about. Mike Strutter
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8:27am Thu 9 Aug 12

taurusthebull says...

What happens to the ideal situation for the RFL of having a ground at Odsal,keeping heritage alive etc, but no team playing there ? And a team of RL playing at VP ? Not a good outcome for Red Hall again egg on face !!
Incidentally where has the money come from ,CC through the back door again methinks something is not quite right with this.!
Dont get me wrong I want the Bulls saved and I dont think groundshare is necessarily a bad option,but VP is NOT ideally suitable for RL (pitch size etc) RFL not totally happy when Bulls there previously .
What happens to the ideal situation for the RFL of having a ground at Odsal,keeping heritage alive etc, but no team playing there ? And a team of RL playing at VP ? Not a good outcome for Red Hall again egg on face !! Incidentally where has the money come from ,CC through the back door again methinks something is not quite right with this.! Dont get me wrong I want the Bulls saved and I dont think groundshare is necessarily a bad option,but VP is NOT ideally suitable for RL (pitch size etc) RFL not totally happy when Bulls there previously . taurusthebull
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8:27am Thu 9 Aug 12

_Size3_ says...

Ba dum tish

:o/
Ba dum tish :o/ _Size3_
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8:27am Thu 9 Aug 12

_Size3_ says...

(that was for Mike's benefit)
(that was for Mike's benefit) _Size3_
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8:29am Thu 9 Aug 12

Thee Voice of Reason says...

king karl wrote:
word is city would move to odsal !!!
Administration would be needed to break BCFC's lease agreement at Valley Parade so that does not stack up and 6000+ seats would have to be installed at Odsal as BCFC have been in a league higher that the championshio for more than 3 years so can't revert back to terracing.
[quote][p][bold]king karl[/bold] wrote: word is city would move to odsal !!![/p][/quote]Administration would be needed to break BCFC's lease agreement at Valley Parade so that does not stack up and 6000+ seats would have to be installed at Odsal as BCFC have been in a league higher that the championshio for more than 3 years so can't revert back to terracing. Thee Voice of Reason
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8:29am Thu 9 Aug 12

parader no1 says...

Laney1989 wrote:
bantamcougar wrote:
Laney1989 wrote:
Oh here we go again...
Change the record BantamCougar you are boring me.
Marching on together
Yeah exactly clown.
Anyway I'd concentrate on that Cougar's side of yours.
Do you want 50p? HAHA
Keep your 50p for the Bulls they need it more
[quote][p][bold]Laney1989[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]bantamcougar[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Laney1989[/bold] wrote: Oh here we go again... Change the record BantamCougar you are boring me.[/p][/quote]Marching on together[/p][/quote]Yeah exactly clown. Anyway I'd concentrate on that Cougar's side of yours. Do you want 50p? HAHA[/p][/quote]Keep your 50p for the Bulls they need it more parader no1
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8:31am Thu 9 Aug 12

danger mouse says...

I dont see how the Bulls would play at Valley Parade because the RFL want rugby to be played at Odsal. Could be that city move to Odsal to reduce overheads and the redevelopment of Odsal begins!! I certainly have no problem the Bulls playing at VP because it's only a short walk from my house. Im not from Bradford and I find it very strange that so many football fans and rugby fans just **** about each other. Grow a pair and start to embrace both great teams of this City.
I dont see how the Bulls would play at Valley Parade because the RFL want rugby to be played at Odsal. Could be that city move to Odsal to reduce overheads and the redevelopment of Odsal begins!! I certainly have no problem the Bulls playing at VP because it's only a short walk from my house. Im not from Bradford and I find it very strange that so many football fans and rugby fans just **** about each other. Grow a pair and start to embrace both great teams of this City. danger mouse
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8:32am Thu 9 Aug 12

billybobbull says...

Laney1989 wrote:
King Karl - Odsal doesn't meet FL criteria I'm led to believe.
It will have to at some point. Maybe one or two seasons. Bulls at VP over summer of 2013. City at Osdal in time for following season.
It could be the start of a very big new era.
Could be...........I add!
[quote][p][bold]Laney1989[/bold] wrote: King Karl - Odsal doesn't meet FL criteria I'm led to believe.[/p][/quote]It will have to at some point. Maybe one or two seasons. Bulls at VP over summer of 2013. City at Osdal in time for following season. It could be the start of a very big new era. Could be...........I add! billybobbull
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8:33am Thu 9 Aug 12

spleen ventor says...

How's this for a scenario...City buy bulls unconditionally, this finds favour with the RFL and they retain their Super League status...City sell Bulls to another buyer (ABC?) at a profit...cash raised allows City/ABC to buy back Valley Parade from Gordon Gibb and we all co'exsist under one roof....Happy Families!
How's this for a scenario...City buy bulls unconditionally, this finds favour with the RFL and they retain their Super League status...City sell Bulls to another buyer (ABC?) at a profit...cash raised allows City/ABC to buy back Valley Parade from Gordon Gibb and we all co'exsist under one roof....Happy Families! spleen ventor
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8:33am Thu 9 Aug 12

Betrescue Bob says...

This has been potentially on the cards for 2/3 years and makes perfect sense whether or not Bulls fans like Manningham. Stadium used nearly all year round, shared rent, and easier sell for ground advertising/sponsors
hip etc with funds generated to buy back Valley Parade as a result. Would be good for both clubs in the long run. Hope it happens.
This has been potentially on the cards for 2/3 years and makes perfect sense whether or not Bulls fans like Manningham. Stadium used nearly all year round, shared rent, and easier sell for ground advertising/sponsors hip etc with funds generated to buy back Valley Parade as a result. Would be good for both clubs in the long run. Hope it happens. Betrescue Bob
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8:34am Thu 9 Aug 12

scandanavian's love child52 says...

Do the ABC consortium have anything to do with city ?
Do the ABC consortium have anything to do with city ? scandanavian's love child52
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8:34am Thu 9 Aug 12

parader no1 says...

Thee Voice of Reason wrote:
king karl wrote:
word is city would move to odsal !!!
Administration would be needed to break BCFC's lease agreement at Valley Parade so that does not stack up and 6000+ seats would have to be installed at Odsal as BCFC have been in a league higher that the championshio for more than 3 years so can't revert back to terracing.
Correct me if I am wrong TVOR but doesnt a certain amount of the ground have to be under cover as well ?
[quote][p][bold]Thee Voice of Reason[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]king karl[/bold] wrote: word is city would move to odsal !!![/p][/quote]Administration would be needed to break BCFC's lease agreement at Valley Parade so that does not stack up and 6000+ seats would have to be installed at Odsal as BCFC have been in a league higher that the championshio for more than 3 years so can't revert back to terracing.[/p][/quote]Correct me if I am wrong TVOR but doesnt a certain amount of the ground have to be under cover as well ? parader no1
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8:34am Thu 9 Aug 12

cityrightAFC says...

Lots of silly comments on here again today... sigh.

The potential to 'unite' the two clubs in theory is a very good one, and could if done properly safeguard the future of both clubs. Bradford sport has been in decline for years, and this could be the kick start needed to reverse the downturn.

Lots of speculation as to which ground we would move to, but either way, the potential to play at two grounds is a bargaining chip for both clubs, and a great basis upon which to develop any joint venture.

I look forward to seeing how this unfolds and finding out the details of the bid...
Lots of silly comments on here again today... sigh. The potential to 'unite' the two clubs in theory is a very good one, and could if done properly safeguard the future of both clubs. Bradford sport has been in decline for years, and this could be the kick start needed to reverse the downturn. Lots of speculation as to which ground we would move to, but either way, the potential to play at two grounds is a bargaining chip for both clubs, and a great basis upon which to develop any joint venture. I look forward to seeing how this unfolds and finding out the details of the bid... cityrightAFC
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8:35am Thu 9 Aug 12

baildonbullette says...

Could be a good move, as long as there are no issues with the pitch size for rugby matches - though the Bulls have managed ok before. A good stadium with good facilities and hopefully BCFC and Bulls fans giving their all to support both clubs it could be a win win situation. Why not when others manage it successfully? Just hope it is resolved soon one way or another.
Could be a good move, as long as there are no issues with the pitch size for rugby matches - though the Bulls have managed ok before. A good stadium with good facilities and hopefully BCFC and Bulls fans giving their all to support both clubs it could be a win win situation. Why not when others manage it successfully? Just hope it is resolved soon one way or another. baildonbullette
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8:41am Thu 9 Aug 12

BrisBull says...

The RFL own the lease at Odsal and wish for professional RL to be played there.

I think you'll find resistance from the RFL (as before) to Bulls moving away - that's one of the reasons why the RFL moved to buy the lease earlier this year.

There are other examples of football teams (or at least their owners) involved with rugby clubs and do not share grounds - e.g. Bristol City (Ashton Gate), and Bristol Rugby (Memorial Ground, home of Bristol Rovers).

I think some of us may be getting ahead of ourselves.
The RFL own the lease at Odsal and wish for professional RL to be played there. I think you'll find resistance from the RFL (as before) to Bulls moving away - that's one of the reasons why the RFL moved to buy the lease earlier this year. There are other examples of football teams (or at least their owners) involved with rugby clubs and do not share grounds - e.g. Bristol City (Ashton Gate), and Bristol Rugby (Memorial Ground, home of Bristol Rovers). I think some of us may be getting ahead of ourselves. BrisBull
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8:42am Thu 9 Aug 12

Thee Voice of Reason says...

spleen ventor wrote:
How's this for a scenario...City buy bulls unconditionally, this finds favour with the RFL and they retain their Super League status...City sell Bulls to another buyer (ABC?) at a profit...cash raised allows City/ABC to buy back Valley Parade from Gordon Gibb and we all co'exsist under one roof....Happy Families!
Gibb will never sell Valley Parade to BCFC whilst Rhodes is there. They hate each other.
[quote][p][bold]spleen ventor[/bold] wrote: How's this for a scenario...City buy bulls unconditionally, this finds favour with the RFL and they retain their Super League status...City sell Bulls to another buyer (ABC?) at a profit...cash raised allows City/ABC to buy back Valley Parade from Gordon Gibb and we all co'exsist under one roof....Happy Families![/p][/quote]Gibb will never sell Valley Parade to BCFC whilst Rhodes is there. They hate each other. Thee Voice of Reason
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8:43am Thu 9 Aug 12

Village Bantam says...

It's quite clear there's a hidden agenda.

City have only just got their finances sorted out and certainly cannot afford to lose £1m per year just to keep our 'neighbours' alive.

I'm pretty sure I read that ABC were gonna get some redevelopment backing from the council to do up Odsal and I very much doubt this offer has been made without assurances in advance that this would be the case.

I see two possibilities here.

Either, City are about to bluff their current tenant into reselling VP back to them on the cheap by threatening to move out or they intend on doing Odsal up with help from the council, moving in and sharing with the Bulls and saving another £350k per year in rent - saving the Bulls in the process and having a state of the art Stadium courtesy of the tax payer.

There is another possibility, the transport magnate - Parkin (I think it was) who wanted to buy BOTH City and Bulls last year maybe behind this whole thing. Once they are in the hands of Messers Lawn and Rhodes, then it would make it easier to do a deal.

Who knows, one thing for sure, this isn't a case of neighbourly charity.
It's quite clear there's a hidden agenda. City have only just got their finances sorted out and certainly cannot afford to lose £1m per year just to keep our 'neighbours' alive. I'm pretty sure I read that ABC were gonna get some redevelopment backing from the council to do up Odsal and I very much doubt this offer has been made without assurances in advance that this would be the case. I see two possibilities here. Either, City are about to bluff their current tenant into reselling VP back to them on the cheap by threatening to move out or they intend on doing Odsal up with help from the council, moving in and sharing with the Bulls and saving another £350k per year in rent - saving the Bulls in the process and having a state of the art Stadium courtesy of the tax payer. There is another possibility, the transport magnate - Parkin (I think it was) who wanted to buy BOTH City and Bulls last year maybe behind this whole thing. Once they are in the hands of Messers Lawn and Rhodes, then it would make it easier to do a deal. Who knows, one thing for sure, this isn't a case of neighbourly charity. Village Bantam
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8:47am Thu 9 Aug 12

raisemeup says...

king karl wrote:
word is city would move to odsal !!!
That could be on the longer term sense list.

Odsal could be the etihad stadium in Yorkshire, and hosting both clubs at a price that will not break the bank,it will save City having to pay the £360k (reported figure)rent per year and bring sport to the City of Bradford in line with the more progressive Cities in the UK.

Wishful and fancifull perhaps, but that's the way I would be thinking.
Mr Rhodes seems to be a progressive sort of fella anyway.
[quote][p][bold]king karl[/bold] wrote: word is city would move to odsal !!![/p][/quote]That could be on the longer term sense list. Odsal could be the etihad stadium in Yorkshire, and hosting both clubs at a price that will not break the bank,it will save City having to pay the £360k (reported figure)rent per year and bring sport to the City of Bradford in line with the more progressive Cities in the UK. Wishful and fancifull perhaps, but that's the way I would be thinking. Mr Rhodes seems to be a progressive sort of fella anyway. raisemeup
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8:51am Thu 9 Aug 12

ricky76 says...

flashdonut wrote:
Bulls fan here. My honest opinion is it is about time. Share resources, share staff, share facilities. The best way forward. One clb doctor, one physion, one groundsamn. A few people will lose their job, that is a shame. But times are hard. People are out of work all over. The clubs should 'merge' and reduce overheads. Hull FC & Hull City share, as do Wigan's. Has to be done.
.
Question is, where? Bulls to VP? Best stadium without a doubt. Location is iffy, not for where it is but Odsal is bang next to motorway. But Odsal is a dump, no doubting. Most amateur clubs have better facilities.
A very sensible post although a city fan through and through I like to see the Bulls do well too and its about time the clubs maybe looked at about sharing.Osdal has a great history in terms of Rugby and not forgetting the likes of speedway however the place quite bluntly needs a heck of a load of redeveloping to anywhere near the standard required to suit both parties. Valley Parade has its own history of course but the main thing is its a ground that is modern and although many Bulls fans may say in a bad location it meets the standard for both clubs at this moment in time so if the bulls need to survive surely in the short term at least it makes sense to play at Valley Parade.
[quote][p][bold]flashdonut[/bold] wrote: Bulls fan here. My honest opinion is it is about time. Share resources, share staff, share facilities. The best way forward. One clb doctor, one physion, one groundsamn. A few people will lose their job, that is a shame. But times are hard. People are out of work all over. The clubs should 'merge' and reduce overheads. Hull FC & Hull City share, as do Wigan's. Has to be done. . Question is, where? Bulls to VP? Best stadium without a doubt. Location is iffy, not for where it is but Odsal is bang next to motorway. But Odsal is a dump, no doubting. Most amateur clubs have better facilities.[/p][/quote]A very sensible post although a city fan through and through I like to see the Bulls do well too and its about time the clubs maybe looked at about sharing.Osdal has a great history in terms of Rugby and not forgetting the likes of speedway however the place quite bluntly needs a heck of a load of redeveloping to anywhere near the standard required to suit both parties. Valley Parade has its own history of course but the main thing is its a ground that is modern and although many Bulls fans may say in a bad location it meets the standard for both clubs at this moment in time so if the bulls need to survive surely in the short term at least it makes sense to play at Valley Parade. ricky76
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9:08am Thu 9 Aug 12

billybobbull says...

Village Bantam wrote:
It's quite clear there's a hidden agenda.

City have only just got their finances sorted out and certainly cannot afford to lose £1m per year just to keep our 'neighbours' alive.

I'm pretty sure I read that ABC were gonna get some redevelopment backing from the council to do up Odsal and I very much doubt this offer has been made without assurances in advance that this would be the case.

I see two possibilities here.

Either, City are about to bluff their current tenant into reselling VP back to them on the cheap by threatening to move out or they intend on doing Odsal up with help from the council, moving in and sharing with the Bulls and saving another £350k per year in rent - saving the Bulls in the process and having a state of the art Stadium courtesy of the tax payer.

There is another possibility, the transport magnate - Parkin (I think it was) who wanted to buy BOTH City and Bulls last year maybe behind this whole thing. Once they are in the hands of Messers Lawn and Rhodes, then it would make it easier to do a deal.

Who knows, one thing for sure, this isn't a case of neighbourly charity.
Surely sharing Odsal long term on decent rent rates, would allow for much more investments into the respective teams.
Plus development and revenue possibilities galore, right on the busiest motorway system in the country.
Perfect for a logistics hub!
[quote][p][bold]Village Bantam[/bold] wrote: It's quite clear there's a hidden agenda. City have only just got their finances sorted out and certainly cannot afford to lose £1m per year just to keep our 'neighbours' alive. I'm pretty sure I read that ABC were gonna get some redevelopment backing from the council to do up Odsal and I very much doubt this offer has been made without assurances in advance that this would be the case. I see two possibilities here. Either, City are about to bluff their current tenant into reselling VP back to them on the cheap by threatening to move out or they intend on doing Odsal up with help from the council, moving in and sharing with the Bulls and saving another £350k per year in rent - saving the Bulls in the process and having a state of the art Stadium courtesy of the tax payer. There is another possibility, the transport magnate - Parkin (I think it was) who wanted to buy BOTH City and Bulls last year maybe behind this whole thing. Once they are in the hands of Messers Lawn and Rhodes, then it would make it easier to do a deal. Who knows, one thing for sure, this isn't a case of neighbourly charity.[/p][/quote]Surely sharing Odsal long term on decent rent rates, would allow for much more investments into the respective teams. Plus development and revenue possibilities galore, right on the busiest motorway system in the country. Perfect for a logistics hub! billybobbull
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9:13am Thu 9 Aug 12

scandanavian's love child52 says...

1) ABC make offer: bulls fans "It could be a good thing"
Bid rejected, bulls fans "Never wanted them anyway "
2) Gerry Sutcliffe makes offer: bulls fans "It could be a good thing as did not like ABC bid anyway "
Bid rejected, bulls fans "GS is a **** anyway and was useless as a union rep and politician.What the hell are RFL doing in all this?"
3) SLE make a bid : bulls fans "We are saved the RFL are brilliant thanks Mr Wood etc " City fans go feck off back to your own forum we are back etc."
4) City make an offer: bulls fans " Lets all embrace change and share ground etc"

Some serious backtracking by the bulls fans over past few weeks.

What next Viking saying he is my friend !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
!
1) ABC make offer: bulls fans "It could be a good thing" Bid rejected, bulls fans "Never wanted them anyway " 2) Gerry Sutcliffe makes offer: bulls fans "It could be a good thing as did not like ABC bid anyway " Bid rejected, bulls fans "GS is a **** anyway and was useless as a union rep and politician.What the hell are RFL doing in all this?" 3) SLE make a bid : bulls fans "We are saved the RFL are brilliant thanks Mr Wood etc " City fans go feck off back to your own forum we are back etc." 4) City make an offer: bulls fans " Lets all embrace change and share ground etc" Some serious backtracking by the bulls fans over past few weeks. What next Viking saying he is my friend !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! ! scandanavian's love child52
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9:21am Thu 9 Aug 12

Oliver Twist says...

GO ON CITY BUY THE SLUM DWELLERS AND WE CAN FINALLY KICK THEM DOWN TO VP AND SELL THAT CESS PIT ON YEEHAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA
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GO ON CITY BUY THE SLUM DWELLERS AND WE CAN FINALLY KICK THEM DOWN TO VP AND SELL THAT CESS PIT ON YEEHAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA AA Oliver Twist
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9:24am Thu 9 Aug 12

raisemeup says...

ricky76 wrote:
flashdonut wrote:
Bulls fan here. My honest opinion is it is about time. Share resources, share staff, share facilities. The best way forward. One clb doctor, one physion, one groundsamn. A few people will lose their job, that is a shame. But times are hard. People are out of work all over. The clubs should 'merge' and reduce overheads. Hull FC & Hull City share, as do Wigan's. Has to be done.
.
Question is, where? Bulls to VP? Best stadium without a doubt. Location is iffy, not for where it is but Odsal is bang next to motorway. But Odsal is a dump, no doubting. Most amateur clubs have better facilities.
A very sensible post although a city fan through and through I like to see the Bulls do well too and its about time the clubs maybe looked at about sharing.Osdal has a great history in terms of Rugby and not forgetting the likes of speedway however the place quite bluntly needs a heck of a load of redeveloping to anywhere near the standard required to suit both parties. Valley Parade has its own history of course but the main thing is its a ground that is modern and although many Bulls fans may say in a bad location it meets the standard for both clubs at this moment in time so if the bulls need to survive surely in the short term at least it makes sense to play at Valley Parade.
Another sensible post there.

The best answer is always in the detail:

Two scenario's both attractive.
But in the long term, the best development is Odsal.

The room for expansion and development is there. and in a way we have a blank canvas, so to speak.

It will take time, but I am sure with the collective will of all parties, hopefully one day we will see the "sporting village" scene in Bradford.

At least someone has the vision, lets hope the silly protectionalists., we encounter, don't hold the sway they think they do.

Vision and progress is what we need, I think a big wadge of cash is also useful. Sadly that's a commodity everyone says they haven't got,even when they have. ie if you ever ask for investment the stock answer is: "The trouble, is there's no money?".
[quote][p][bold]ricky76[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]flashdonut[/bold] wrote: Bulls fan here. My honest opinion is it is about time. Share resources, share staff, share facilities. The best way forward. One clb doctor, one physion, one groundsamn. A few people will lose their job, that is a shame. But times are hard. People are out of work all over. The clubs should 'merge' and reduce overheads. Hull FC & Hull City share, as do Wigan's. Has to be done. . Question is, where? Bulls to VP? Best stadium without a doubt. Location is iffy, not for where it is but Odsal is bang next to motorway. But Odsal is a dump, no doubting. Most amateur clubs have better facilities.[/p][/quote]A very sensible post although a city fan through and through I like to see the Bulls do well too and its about time the clubs maybe looked at about sharing.Osdal has a great history in terms of Rugby and not forgetting the likes of speedway however the place quite bluntly needs a heck of a load of redeveloping to anywhere near the standard required to suit both parties. Valley Parade has its own history of course but the main thing is its a ground that is modern and although many Bulls fans may say in a bad location it meets the standard for both clubs at this moment in time so if the bulls need to survive surely in the short term at least it makes sense to play at Valley Parade.[/p][/quote]Another sensible post there. The best answer is always in the detail: Two scenario's both attractive. But in the long term, the best development is Odsal. The room for expansion and development is there. and in a way we have a blank canvas, so to speak. It will take time, but I am sure with the collective will of all parties, hopefully one day we will see the "sporting village" scene in Bradford. At least someone has the vision, lets hope the silly protectionalists., we encounter, don't hold the sway they think they do. Vision and progress is what we need, I think a big wadge of cash is also useful. Sadly that's a commodity everyone says they haven't got,even when they have. ie if you ever ask for investment the stock answer is: "The trouble, is there's no money?". raisemeup
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9:32am Thu 9 Aug 12

mines a pint says...

bantamcougar wrote:
spleen ventor wrote:
Just had another thought (dangerous I know!)...unless City have another buyer already lined up and aim to make a quick buck...ABC?
Was thinking exactly the same
what makes you think that?

The article clearly states UNCONDITIONAL offer therefore no guarantee of SL status & certainly no lease to Odsal so why would ABC be interested in buying the Bulls from City without SL status & control of the lease

Just more negative & unhelpful speculation
[quote][p][bold]bantamcougar[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]spleen ventor[/bold] wrote: Just had another thought (dangerous I know!)...unless City have another buyer already lined up and aim to make a quick buck...ABC?[/p][/quote]Was thinking exactly the same[/p][/quote]what makes you think that? The article clearly states UNCONDITIONAL offer therefore no guarantee of SL status & certainly no lease to Odsal so why would ABC be interested in buying the Bulls from City without SL status & control of the lease Just more negative & unhelpful speculation mines a pint
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9:34am Thu 9 Aug 12

Prycey says...

I have always said there should be one stadium and one set of overheads. Odsal is still in a better place but every time I pass VP I think it looks great. Haven’t they being improving the dressing rooms? I would not complain about this and if it brought about a “sporting Bradford” type organisation then fair enough. I personally don’t like football but that is because of the cheating bar stewards I see in the premiership. The lower league stuff is better to watch. If city played in the same stadium that I got used to going to on a regular basis I am sure I could be persuaded to go and see whether I like watching them? I am sure it would be the same for lots of fans if we shared the same home. Others might be able to answer the question about the pitch though. Is it big enough or would they need to take a few rows of seats out. The big thing in this when you ignore all of the rhetoric and arguing is would it be good for both clubs in the long run? I have always said it must be and give this story a cautious thumbs up for now as long as both clubs can make it work and keep their own identity but share all costs.
I have always said there should be one stadium and one set of overheads. Odsal is still in a better place but every time I pass VP I think it looks great. Haven’t they being improving the dressing rooms? I would not complain about this and if it brought about a “sporting Bradford” type organisation then fair enough. I personally don’t like football but that is because of the cheating bar stewards I see in the premiership. The lower league stuff is better to watch. If city played in the same stadium that I got used to going to on a regular basis I am sure I could be persuaded to go and see whether I like watching them? I am sure it would be the same for lots of fans if we shared the same home. Others might be able to answer the question about the pitch though. Is it big enough or would they need to take a few rows of seats out. The big thing in this when you ignore all of the rhetoric and arguing is would it be good for both clubs in the long run? I have always said it must be and give this story a cautious thumbs up for now as long as both clubs can make it work and keep their own identity but share all costs. Prycey
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9:38am Thu 9 Aug 12

Prisoner Cell Block A says...

Laney1989 wrote:
bantamcougar wrote:
Laney1989 wrote:
Oh here we go again...
Change the record BantamCougar you are boring me.
Marching on together
Yeah exactly clown.
Anyway I'd concentrate on that Cougar's side of yours.
Do you want 50p? HAHA
So we have a city fan who supports Keighley Cougars having a go at a City fan cos he supports Leeds Rhinos, go on then, explain the difference.

Is it because one of them has a chip on his shoulder about being a small club?

On topic: wtf?? where did this come from?? what, where, who, when,why? Going to be interesting to see how it develops.

What I will say is I think we all, as Bradford sports fans have been dealt some rough hands in the past, maybe it is time to bury our hatchets and come together to maintain first class sport in the city and progrees it from first class to world class, in the Bulls case, again.
[quote][p][bold]Laney1989[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]bantamcougar[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Laney1989[/bold] wrote: Oh here we go again... Change the record BantamCougar you are boring me.[/p][/quote]Marching on together[/p][/quote]Yeah exactly clown. Anyway I'd concentrate on that Cougar's side of yours. Do you want 50p? HAHA[/p][/quote]So we have a city fan who supports Keighley Cougars having a go at a City fan cos he supports Leeds Rhinos, go on then, explain the difference. Is it because one of them has a chip on his shoulder about being a small club? On topic: wtf?? where did this come from?? what, where, who, when,why? Going to be interesting to see how it develops. What I will say is I think we all, as Bradford sports fans have been dealt some rough hands in the past, maybe it is time to bury our hatchets and come together to maintain first class sport in the city and progrees it from first class to world class, in the Bulls case, again. Prisoner Cell Block A
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9:40am Thu 9 Aug 12

Thee Voice of Reason says...

billybobbull wrote:
Village Bantam wrote: It's quite clear there's a hidden agenda. City have only just got their finances sorted out and certainly cannot afford to lose £1m per year just to keep our 'neighbours' alive. I'm pretty sure I read that ABC were gonna get some redevelopment backing from the council to do up Odsal and I very much doubt this offer has been made without assurances in advance that this would be the case. I see two possibilities here. Either, City are about to bluff their current tenant into reselling VP back to them on the cheap by threatening to move out or they intend on doing Odsal up with help from the council, moving in and sharing with the Bulls and saving another £350k per year in rent - saving the Bulls in the process and having a state of the art Stadium courtesy of the tax payer. There is another possibility, the transport magnate - Parkin (I think it was) who wanted to buy BOTH City and Bulls last year maybe behind this whole thing. Once they are in the hands of Messers Lawn and Rhodes, then it would make it easier to do a deal. Who knows, one thing for sure, this isn't a case of neighbourly charity.
Surely sharing Odsal long term on decent rent rates, would allow for much more investments into the respective teams. Plus development and revenue possibilities galore, right on the busiest motorway system in the country. Perfect for a logistics hub!
Why does Odsals position near the motorway matter to the majority of fans.

Most live in Bradford and won't even need to use the motorway.

Also Odsal needs millions of pounds to even bring it up to football league standard.
[quote][p][bold]billybobbull[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Village Bantam[/bold] wrote: It's quite clear there's a hidden agenda. City have only just got their finances sorted out and certainly cannot afford to lose £1m per year just to keep our 'neighbours' alive. I'm pretty sure I read that ABC were gonna get some redevelopment backing from the council to do up Odsal and I very much doubt this offer has been made without assurances in advance that this would be the case. I see two possibilities here. Either, City are about to bluff their current tenant into reselling VP back to them on the cheap by threatening to move out or they intend on doing Odsal up with help from the council, moving in and sharing with the Bulls and saving another £350k per year in rent - saving the Bulls in the process and having a state of the art Stadium courtesy of the tax payer. There is another possibility, the transport magnate - Parkin (I think it was) who wanted to buy BOTH City and Bulls last year maybe behind this whole thing. Once they are in the hands of Messers Lawn and Rhodes, then it would make it easier to do a deal. Who knows, one thing for sure, this isn't a case of neighbourly charity.[/p][/quote]Surely sharing Odsal long term on decent rent rates, would allow for much more investments into the respective teams. Plus development and revenue possibilities galore, right on the busiest motorway system in the country. Perfect for a logistics hub![/p][/quote]Why does Odsals position near the motorway matter to the majority of fans. Most live in Bradford and won't even need to use the motorway. Also Odsal needs millions of pounds to even bring it up to football league standard. Thee Voice of Reason
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9:44am Thu 9 Aug 12

pjbull says...

Now what would I prefer.... my club in the Championship and Odsal becoming a graveyard or sharing a seated, covered stadium (and associated costs) and staying in Super League? Now let me go and think about it.
Now what would I prefer.... my club in the Championship and Odsal becoming a graveyard or sharing a seated, covered stadium (and associated costs) and staying in Super League? Now let me go and think about it. pjbull
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9:48am Thu 9 Aug 12

Laney1989 says...

Prisoner Cell Block A wrote:
Laney1989 wrote:
bantamcougar wrote:
Laney1989 wrote:
Oh here we go again...
Change the record BantamCougar you are boring me.
Marching on together
Yeah exactly clown.
Anyway I'd concentrate on that Cougar's side of yours.
Do you want 50p? HAHA
So we have a city fan who supports Keighley Cougars having a go at a City fan cos he supports Leeds Rhinos, go on then, explain the difference.

Is it because one of them has a chip on his shoulder about being a small club?

On topic: wtf?? where did this come from?? what, where, who, when,why? Going to be interesting to see how it develops.

What I will say is I think we all, as Bradford sports fans have been dealt some rough hands in the past, maybe it is time to bury our hatchets and come together to maintain first class sport in the city and progrees it from first class to world class, in the Bulls case, again.
For some reason he's got a chip on his shoulder about me supporting Bradford City & Leeds Rhinos.
.
People who know me know my reasons.
.
That's it really.
[quote][p][bold]Prisoner Cell Block A[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Laney1989[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]bantamcougar[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Laney1989[/bold] wrote: Oh here we go again... Change the record BantamCougar you are boring me.[/p][/quote]Marching on together[/p][/quote]Yeah exactly clown. Anyway I'd concentrate on that Cougar's side of yours. Do you want 50p? HAHA[/p][/quote]So we have a city fan who supports Keighley Cougars having a go at a City fan cos he supports Leeds Rhinos, go on then, explain the difference. Is it because one of them has a chip on his shoulder about being a small club? On topic: wtf?? where did this come from?? what, where, who, when,why? Going to be interesting to see how it develops. What I will say is I think we all, as Bradford sports fans have been dealt some rough hands in the past, maybe it is time to bury our hatchets and come together to maintain first class sport in the city and progrees it from first class to world class, in the Bulls case, again.[/p][/quote]For some reason he's got a chip on his shoulder about me supporting Bradford City & Leeds Rhinos. . People who know me know my reasons. . That's it really. Laney1989
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9:53am Thu 9 Aug 12

Thee Voice of Reason says...

Just looking on Amber Red and Black and still things like this are coming up.

hi de hi wrote:Any move to VP is totally out of the question in my book.

Seem even with a gun to their head and the future of the club on the line some still thinks beggars can be choosers.
Just looking on Amber Red and Black and still things like this are coming up. hi de hi wrote:Any move to VP is totally out of the question in my book. Seem even with a gun to their head and the future of the club on the line some still thinks beggars can be choosers. Thee Voice of Reason
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9:55am Thu 9 Aug 12

terryjackman says...

Light the blue touch paper and STAND BACK!!
Light the blue touch paper and STAND BACK!! terryjackman
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9:55am Thu 9 Aug 12

BirchLane-1964 says...

WTF? City haven't been out of admin that long and suddenly they have pot loads of money. Reckon someone is putting money into the job lot, bulls going to VP and city get more income from season ticket sales, merchandise etc. Perhaps it's that Parkin bloke who wanted to buy both before?
Anyway, wouldn't surprise me if Caisley's behind it all!!!!
WTF? City haven't been out of admin that long and suddenly they have pot loads of money. Reckon someone is putting money into the job lot, bulls going to VP and city get more income from season ticket sales, merchandise etc. Perhaps it's that Parkin bloke who wanted to buy both before? Anyway, wouldn't surprise me if Caisley's behind it all!!!! BirchLane-1964
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10:00am Thu 9 Aug 12

BirchLane-1964 says...

scandanavian's love child52 wrote:
Cant wait to see all the backtracking the bulls fans do after reading this after doing nothing but slate city fans for even having an opinion. They were talking of a boycott at huddersfield till hudds gave them money, about turn :-)
I've never agreed with anything this low life has said before, but this comment appears fair, although I have never slated city once there will be some humble pie around the district today!!
Now crawl back under your stone please
[quote][p][bold]scandanavian's love child52[/bold] wrote: Cant wait to see all the backtracking the bulls fans do after reading this after doing nothing but slate city fans for even having an opinion. They were talking of a boycott at huddersfield till hudds gave them money, about turn :-)[/p][/quote]I've never agreed with anything this low life has said before, but this comment appears fair, although I have never slated city once there will be some humble pie around the district today!! Now crawl back under your stone please BirchLane-1964
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10:04am Thu 9 Aug 12

ricky76 says...

raisemeup wrote:
ricky76 wrote:
flashdonut wrote:
Bulls fan here. My honest opinion is it is about time. Share resources, share staff, share facilities. The best way forward. One clb doctor, one physion, one groundsamn. A few people will lose their job, that is a shame. But times are hard. People are out of work all over. The clubs should 'merge' and reduce overheads. Hull FC & Hull City share, as do Wigan's. Has to be done.
.
Question is, where? Bulls to VP? Best stadium without a doubt. Location is iffy, not for where it is but Odsal is bang next to motorway. But Odsal is a dump, no doubting. Most amateur clubs have better facilities.
A very sensible post although a city fan through and through I like to see the Bulls do well too and its about time the clubs maybe looked at about sharing.Osdal has a great history in terms of Rugby and not forgetting the likes of speedway however the place quite bluntly needs a heck of a load of redeveloping to anywhere near the standard required to suit both parties. Valley Parade has its own history of course but the main thing is its a ground that is modern and although many Bulls fans may say in a bad location it meets the standard for both clubs at this moment in time so if the bulls need to survive surely in the short term at least it makes sense to play at Valley Parade.
Another sensible post there.

The best answer is always in the detail:

Two scenario's both attractive.
But in the long term, the best development is Odsal.

The room for expansion and development is there. and in a way we have a blank canvas, so to speak.

It will take time, but I am sure with the collective will of all parties, hopefully one day we will see the "sporting village" scene in Bradford.

At least someone has the vision, lets hope the silly protectionalists., we encounter, don't hold the sway they think they do.

Vision and progress is what we need, I think a big wadge of cash is also useful. Sadly that's a commodity everyone says they haven't got,even when they have. ie if you ever ask for investment the stock answer is: "The trouble, is there's no money?".
Like say short term VP has got to be the answer long term I can see a new ground being built away from existing stadium like Hull Wigan and Huddersfield have done.
[quote][p][bold]raisemeup[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]ricky76[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]flashdonut[/bold] wrote: Bulls fan here. My honest opinion is it is about time. Share resources, share staff, share facilities. The best way forward. One clb doctor, one physion, one groundsamn. A few people will lose their job, that is a shame. But times are hard. People are out of work all over. The clubs should 'merge' and reduce overheads. Hull FC & Hull City share, as do Wigan's. Has to be done. . Question is, where? Bulls to VP? Best stadium without a doubt. Location is iffy, not for where it is but Odsal is bang next to motorway. But Odsal is a dump, no doubting. Most amateur clubs have better facilities.[/p][/quote]A very sensible post although a city fan through and through I like to see the Bulls do well too and its about time the clubs maybe looked at about sharing.Osdal has a great history in terms of Rugby and not forgetting the likes of speedway however the place quite bluntly needs a heck of a load of redeveloping to anywhere near the standard required to suit both parties. Valley Parade has its own history of course but the main thing is its a ground that is modern and although many Bulls fans may say in a bad location it meets the standard for both clubs at this moment in time so if the bulls need to survive surely in the short term at least it makes sense to play at Valley Parade.[/p][/quote]Another sensible post there. The best answer is always in the detail: Two scenario's both attractive. But in the long term, the best development is Odsal. The room for expansion and development is there. and in a way we have a blank canvas, so to speak. It will take time, but I am sure with the collective will of all parties, hopefully one day we will see the "sporting village" scene in Bradford. At least someone has the vision, lets hope the silly protectionalists., we encounter, don't hold the sway they think they do. Vision and progress is what we need, I think a big wadge of cash is also useful. Sadly that's a commodity everyone says they haven't got,even when they have. ie if you ever ask for investment the stock answer is: "The trouble, is there's no money?".[/p][/quote]Like say short term VP has got to be the answer long term I can see a new ground being built away from existing stadium like Hull Wigan and Huddersfield have done. ricky76
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10:06am Thu 9 Aug 12

Bacon Bantam says...

raisemeup wrote:
king karl wrote: word is city would move to odsal !!!
That could be on the longer term sense list. Odsal could be the etihad stadium in Yorkshire, and hosting both clubs at a price that will not break the bank,it will save City having to pay the £360k (reported figure)rent per year and bring sport to the City of Bradford in line with the more progressive Cities in the UK. Wishful and fancifull perhaps, but that's the way I would be thinking. Mr Rhodes seems to be a progressive sort of fella anyway.
It will save £360k per year in rent but where are the millions and millions of pounds going to come from to bring the ground up to standard?

This story also confirmed that Sutcliffe and Khan were all mouth, they didn't even submit a bid but still got their faces in the paper day after day.
[quote][p][bold]raisemeup[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]king karl[/bold] wrote: word is city would move to odsal !!![/p][/quote]That could be on the longer term sense list. Odsal could be the etihad stadium in Yorkshire, and hosting both clubs at a price that will not break the bank,it will save City having to pay the £360k (reported figure)rent per year and bring sport to the City of Bradford in line with the more progressive Cities in the UK. Wishful and fancifull perhaps, but that's the way I would be thinking. Mr Rhodes seems to be a progressive sort of fella anyway.[/p][/quote]It will save £360k per year in rent but where are the millions and millions of pounds going to come from to bring the ground up to standard? This story also confirmed that Sutcliffe and Khan were all mouth, they didn't even submit a bid but still got their faces in the paper day after day. Bacon Bantam
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10:06am Thu 9 Aug 12

Ashbantam says...

Laney1989 wrote:
Prisoner Cell Block A wrote:
Laney1989 wrote:
bantamcougar wrote:
Laney1989 wrote:
Oh here we go again...
Change the record BantamCougar you are boring me.
Marching on together
Yeah exactly clown.
Anyway I'd concentrate on that Cougar's side of yours.
Do you want 50p? HAHA
So we have a city fan who supports Keighley Cougars having a go at a City fan cos he supports Leeds Rhinos, go on then, explain the difference.

Is it because one of them has a chip on his shoulder about being a small club?

On topic: wtf?? where did this come from?? what, where, who, when,why? Going to be interesting to see how it develops.

What I will say is I think we all, as Bradford sports fans have been dealt some rough hands in the past, maybe it is time to bury our hatchets and come together to maintain first class sport in the city and progrees it from first class to world class, in the Bulls case, again.
For some reason he's got a chip on his shoulder about me supporting Bradford City & Leeds Rhinos.
.
People who know me know my reasons.
.
That's it really.
There's no acceptable reason for it, I mean you sing marching on together for god sake, how can you do that it's not even a Rhinos song.
[quote][p][bold]Laney1989[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Prisoner Cell Block A[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Laney1989[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]bantamcougar[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Laney1989[/bold] wrote: Oh here we go again... Change the record BantamCougar you are boring me.[/p][/quote]Marching on together[/p][/quote]Yeah exactly clown. Anyway I'd concentrate on that Cougar's side of yours. Do you want 50p? HAHA[/p][/quote]So we have a city fan who supports Keighley Cougars having a go at a City fan cos he supports Leeds Rhinos, go on then, explain the difference. Is it because one of them has a chip on his shoulder about being a small club? On topic: wtf?? where did this come from?? what, where, who, when,why? Going to be interesting to see how it develops. What I will say is I think we all, as Bradford sports fans have been dealt some rough hands in the past, maybe it is time to bury our hatchets and come together to maintain first class sport in the city and progrees it from first class to world class, in the Bulls case, again.[/p][/quote]For some reason he's got a chip on his shoulder about me supporting Bradford City & Leeds Rhinos. . People who know me know my reasons. . That's it really.[/p][/quote]There's no acceptable reason for it, I mean you sing marching on together for god sake, how can you do that it's not even a Rhinos song. Ashbantam
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10:09am Thu 9 Aug 12

LuvFootball says...

To everybody moaning about how Rhodes/Lawn spend THEIR money, what God **** business is it of your's?

How would you like it if anyone told you you have got no right and can not go to the pub because you didn't buy your neighbour a bottle of wine?

If you don't like how Rhodes/Lawn spend THEIR money, spend your own God **** money and buy them out or STF up.

People like that do my head in more than the people that moan about either City or the Bulls. Grow up.
To everybody moaning about how Rhodes/Lawn spend THEIR money, what God **** business is it of your's? How would you like it if anyone told you you have got no right and can not go to the pub because you didn't buy your neighbour a bottle of wine? If you don't like how Rhodes/Lawn spend THEIR money, spend your own God **** money and buy them out or STF up. People like that do my head in more than the people that moan about either City or the Bulls. Grow up. LuvFootball
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10:10am Thu 9 Aug 12

Bacon Bantam says...

ricky76 wrote:
raisemeup wrote:
ricky76 wrote:
flashdonut wrote: Bulls fan here. My honest opinion is it is about time. Share resources, share staff, share facilities. The best way forward. One clb doctor, one physion, one groundsamn. A few people will lose their job, that is a shame. But times are hard. People are out of work all over. The clubs should 'merge' and reduce overheads. Hull FC & Hull City share, as do Wigan's. Has to be done. . Question is, where? Bulls to VP? Best stadium without a doubt. Location is iffy, not for where it is but Odsal is bang next to motorway. But Odsal is a dump, no doubting. Most amateur clubs have better facilities.
A very sensible post although a city fan through and through I like to see the Bulls do well too and its about time the clubs maybe looked at about sharing.Osdal has a great history in terms of Rugby and not forgetting the likes of speedway however the place quite bluntly needs a heck of a load of redeveloping to anywhere near the standard required to suit both parties. Valley Parade has its own history of course but the main thing is its a ground that is modern and although many Bulls fans may say in a bad location it meets the standard for both clubs at this moment in time so if the bulls need to survive surely in the short term at least it makes sense to play at Valley Parade.
Another sensible post there. The best answer is always in the detail: Two scenario's both attractive. But in the long term, the best development is Odsal. The room for expansion and development is there. and in a way we have a blank canvas, so to speak. It will take time, but I am sure with the collective will of all parties, hopefully one day we will see the "sporting village" scene in Bradford. At least someone has the vision, lets hope the silly protectionalists., we encounter, don't hold the sway they think they do. Vision and progress is what we need, I think a big wadge of cash is also useful. Sadly that's a commodity everyone says they haven't got,even when they have. ie if you ever ask for investment the stock answer is: "The trouble, is there's no money?".
Like say short term VP has got to be the answer long term I can see a new ground being built away from existing stadium like Hull Wigan and Huddersfield have done.
The council are skint so they couldn't fund a new stadium, also Bulls haven't got a pot to pi55 in. City have suprised me with this bid but have no where near the money required to get a stadium projected past the drawing board.

You might be able to see a new ground being built but please can you tell us where you see the money coming from?
[quote][p][bold]ricky76[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]raisemeup[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]ricky76[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]flashdonut[/bold] wrote: Bulls fan here. My honest opinion is it is about time. Share resources, share staff, share facilities. The best way forward. One clb doctor, one physion, one groundsamn. A few people will lose their job, that is a shame. But times are hard. People are out of work all over. The clubs should 'merge' and reduce overheads. Hull FC & Hull City share, as do Wigan's. Has to be done. . Question is, where? Bulls to VP? Best stadium without a doubt. Location is iffy, not for where it is but Odsal is bang next to motorway. But Odsal is a dump, no doubting. Most amateur clubs have better facilities.[/p][/quote]A very sensible post although a city fan through and through I like to see the Bulls do well too and its about time the clubs maybe looked at about sharing.Osdal has a great history in terms of Rugby and not forgetting the likes of speedway however the place quite bluntly needs a heck of a load of redeveloping to anywhere near the standard required to suit both parties. Valley Parade has its own history of course but the main thing is its a ground that is modern and although many Bulls fans may say in a bad location it meets the standard for both clubs at this moment in time so if the bulls need to survive surely in the short term at least it makes sense to play at Valley Parade.[/p][/quote]Another sensible post there. The best answer is always in the detail: Two scenario's both attractive. But in the long term, the best development is Odsal. The room for expansion and development is there. and in a way we have a blank canvas, so to speak. It will take time, but I am sure with the collective will of all parties, hopefully one day we will see the "sporting village" scene in Bradford. At least someone has the vision, lets hope the silly protectionalists., we encounter, don't hold the sway they think they do. Vision and progress is what we need, I think a big wadge of cash is also useful. Sadly that's a commodity everyone says they haven't got,even when they have. ie if you ever ask for investment the stock answer is: "The trouble, is there's no money?".[/p][/quote]Like say short term VP has got to be the answer long term I can see a new ground being built away from existing stadium like Hull Wigan and Huddersfield have done.[/p][/quote]The council are skint so they couldn't fund a new stadium, also Bulls haven't got a pot to pi55 in. City have suprised me with this bid but have no where near the money required to get a stadium projected past the drawing board. You might be able to see a new ground being built but please can you tell us where you see the money coming from? Bacon Bantam
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10:11am Thu 9 Aug 12

Bacon Bantam says...

LuvFootball wrote:
To everybody moaning about how Rhodes/Lawn spend THEIR money, what God **** business is it of your's? How would you like it if anyone told you you have got no right and can not go to the pub because you didn't buy your neighbour a bottle of wine? If you don't like how Rhodes/Lawn spend THEIR money, spend your own God **** money and buy them out or STF up. People like that do my head in more than the people that moan about either City or the Bulls. Grow up.
Where has this rant come from???????
[quote][p][bold]LuvFootball[/bold] wrote: To everybody moaning about how Rhodes/Lawn spend THEIR money, what God **** business is it of your's? How would you like it if anyone told you you have got no right and can not go to the pub because you didn't buy your neighbour a bottle of wine? If you don't like how Rhodes/Lawn spend THEIR money, spend your own God **** money and buy them out or STF up. People like that do my head in more than the people that moan about either City or the Bulls. Grow up.[/p][/quote]Where has this rant come from??????? Bacon Bantam
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10:13am Thu 9 Aug 12

LuvFootball says...

Ashbantam wrote:
Laney1989 wrote:
Prisoner Cell Block A wrote:
Laney1989 wrote:
bantamcougar wrote:
Laney1989 wrote:
Oh here we go again...
Change the record BantamCougar you are boring me.
Marching on together
Yeah exactly clown.
Anyway I'd concentrate on that Cougar's side of yours.
Do you want 50p? HAHA
So we have a city fan who supports Keighley Cougars having a go at a City fan cos he supports Leeds Rhinos, go on then, explain the difference.

Is it because one of them has a chip on his shoulder about being a small club?

On topic: wtf?? where did this come from?? what, where, who, when,why? Going to be interesting to see how it develops.

What I will say is I think we all, as Bradford sports fans have been dealt some rough hands in the past, maybe it is time to bury our hatchets and come together to maintain first class sport in the city and progrees it from first class to world class, in the Bulls case, again.
For some reason he's got a chip on his shoulder about me supporting Bradford City & Leeds Rhinos.
.
People who know me know my reasons.
.
That's it really.
There's no acceptable reason for it, I mean you sing marching on together for god sake, how can you do that it's not even a Rhinos song.
People can support who they want to, unless I am very much mistaken we don't live in a communist state or have a Taliban regime watching our every move.

I am a City and a Bulls supporter but I have also gone to Support other local clubs as one offs for example the Leeds Tykes, Hudds Town and Beeston United. Maybe that is because I love sport and like to watch different levels at various venues.

I grew up with people being fans of Bulls and Beeston United because at the time those were the strongest Local teams in their respective sports. If people choose to associate themselves like that and never attending a single game, then so what, there is more to life than moaning about those people.
[quote][p][bold]Ashbantam[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Laney1989[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Prisoner Cell Block A[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Laney1989[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]bantamcougar[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Laney1989[/bold] wrote: Oh here we go again... Change the record BantamCougar you are boring me.[/p][/quote]Marching on together[/p][/quote]Yeah exactly clown. Anyway I'd concentrate on that Cougar's side of yours. Do you want 50p? HAHA[/p][/quote]So we have a city fan who supports Keighley Cougars having a go at a City fan cos he supports Leeds Rhinos, go on then, explain the difference. Is it because one of them has a chip on his shoulder about being a small club? On topic: wtf?? where did this come from?? what, where, who, when,why? Going to be interesting to see how it develops. What I will say is I think we all, as Bradford sports fans have been dealt some rough hands in the past, maybe it is time to bury our hatchets and come together to maintain first class sport in the city and progrees it from first class to world class, in the Bulls case, again.[/p][/quote]For some reason he's got a chip on his shoulder about me supporting Bradford City & Leeds Rhinos. . People who know me know my reasons. . That's it really.[/p][/quote]There's no acceptable reason for it, I mean you sing marching on together for god sake, how can you do that it's not even a Rhinos song.[/p][/quote]People can support who they want to, unless I am very much mistaken we don't live in a communist state or have a Taliban regime watching our every move. I am a City and a Bulls supporter but I have also gone to Support other local clubs as one offs for example the Leeds Tykes, Hudds Town and Beeston United. Maybe that is because I love sport and like to watch different levels at various venues. I grew up with people being fans of Bulls and Beeston United because at the time those were the strongest Local teams in their respective sports. If people choose to associate themselves like that and never attending a single game, then so what, there is more to life than moaning about those people. LuvFootball
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10:14am Thu 9 Aug 12

LuvFootball says...

Bacon Bantam wrote:
LuvFootball wrote:
To everybody moaning about how Rhodes/Lawn spend THEIR money, what God **** business is it of your's? How would you like it if anyone told you you have got no right and can not go to the pub because you didn't buy your neighbour a bottle of wine? If you don't like how Rhodes/Lawn spend THEIR money, spend your own God **** money and buy them out or STF up. People like that do my head in more than the people that moan about either City or the Bulls. Grow up.
Where has this rant come from???????
Look at some of the earlier posts on here from City fans moaning that we have the cash to buy the Bulls but not enough cash to splash it out at VP.
[quote][p][bold]Bacon Bantam[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]LuvFootball[/bold] wrote: To everybody moaning about how Rhodes/Lawn spend THEIR money, what God **** business is it of your's? How would you like it if anyone told you you have got no right and can not go to the pub because you didn't buy your neighbour a bottle of wine? If you don't like how Rhodes/Lawn spend THEIR money, spend your own God **** money and buy them out or STF up. People like that do my head in more than the people that moan about either City or the Bulls. Grow up.[/p][/quote]Where has this rant come from???????[/p][/quote]Look at some of the earlier posts on here from City fans moaning that we have the cash to buy the Bulls but not enough cash to splash it out at VP. LuvFootball
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10:15am Thu 9 Aug 12

Sheffieldbull says...

Thee Voice of Reason wrote:
Just looking on Amber Red and Black and still things like this are coming up.

hi de hi wrote:Any move to VP is totally out of the question in my book.

Seem even with a gun to their head and the future of the club on the line some still thinks beggars can be choosers.
TVoR, for someone who advocates freedom of opinion, isn't that somewhat hypocritical or are you being mischievous yet again. His opinion, his money - it's up to him.
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I myself would prefer to watch my team at Odsal, as I'm sure the vast majority of City fans would undoubtedly wish to remain at VP - I can totally understand and respect that.
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I have little interest in Football but always wish City success- guess it's a form of territorial loyalty. I attended all the Bulls fixtures when they played at VP and other than the shortness of the pitch and over zealous stewarding, I didn't have any problems with it. Yes, I was happy to return to Odsal because for decades, that has been Northern's and Bulls home. Surely people can understand that - on both sides!
[quote][p][bold]Thee Voice of Reason[/bold] wrote: Just looking on Amber Red and Black and still things like this are coming up. hi de hi wrote:Any move to VP is totally out of the question in my book. Seem even with a gun to their head and the future of the club on the line some still thinks beggars can be choosers.[/p][/quote]TVoR, for someone who advocates freedom of opinion, isn't that somewhat hypocritical or are you being mischievous yet again. His opinion, his money - it's up to him. . I myself would prefer to watch my team at Odsal, as I'm sure the vast majority of City fans would undoubtedly wish to remain at VP - I can totally understand and respect that. . I have little interest in Football but always wish City success- guess it's a form of territorial loyalty. I attended all the Bulls fixtures when they played at VP and other than the shortness of the pitch and over zealous stewarding, I didn't have any problems with it. Yes, I was happy to return to Odsal because for decades, that has been Northern's and Bulls home. Surely people can understand that - on both sides! Sheffieldbull
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10:16am Thu 9 Aug 12

Oliver Twist says...

fao of Birchlane City have been out of admin for 8 years XXXXXX HOPE YOU ENJOY VP
fao of Birchlane City have been out of admin for 8 years XXXXXX HOPE YOU ENJOY VP Oliver Twist
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10:17am Thu 9 Aug 12

Bacon Bantam says...

LuvFootball wrote:
Bacon Bantam wrote:
LuvFootball wrote: To everybody moaning about how Rhodes/Lawn spend THEIR money, what God **** business is it of your's? How would you like it if anyone told you you have got no right and can not go to the pub because you didn't buy your neighbour a bottle of wine? If you don't like how Rhodes/Lawn spend THEIR money, spend your own God **** money and buy them out or STF up. People like that do my head in more than the people that moan about either City or the Bulls. Grow up.
Where has this rant come from???????
Look at some of the earlier posts on here from City fans moaning that we have the cash to buy the Bulls but not enough cash to splash it out at VP.
Someone said it before, Valley Parade will not be sold to BCFC whilst Rhodes or Lawn are at the club.

Some fans would moan at anything but thats the truth of the matter.

Also Valley Parade is rumoured to be £5m where as this bid would only require coving of the debts £1.5m and funds to go forward which would also be raised via season ticket monies etc.
[quote][p][bold]LuvFootball[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Bacon Bantam[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]LuvFootball[/bold] wrote: To everybody moaning about how Rhodes/Lawn spend THEIR money, what God **** business is it of your's? How would you like it if anyone told you you have got no right and can not go to the pub because you didn't buy your neighbour a bottle of wine? If you don't like how Rhodes/Lawn spend THEIR money, spend your own God **** money and buy them out or STF up. People like that do my head in more than the people that moan about either City or the Bulls. Grow up.[/p][/quote]Where has this rant come from???????[/p][/quote]Look at some of the earlier posts on here from City fans moaning that we have the cash to buy the Bulls but not enough cash to splash it out at VP.[/p][/quote]Someone said it before, Valley Parade will not be sold to BCFC whilst Rhodes or Lawn are at the club. Some fans would moan at anything but thats the truth of the matter. Also Valley Parade is rumoured to be £5m where as this bid would only require coving of the debts £1.5m and funds to go forward which would also be raised via season ticket monies etc. Bacon Bantam
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10:17am Thu 9 Aug 12

Scargutt2 says...

ricky76 wrote:
flashdonut wrote:
Bulls fan here. My honest opinion is it is about time. Share resources, share staff, share facilities. The best way forward. One clb doctor, one physion, one groundsamn. A few people will lose their job, that is a shame. But times are hard. People are out of work all over. The clubs should 'merge' and reduce overheads. Hull FC & Hull City share, as do Wigan's. Has to be done.
.
Question is, where? Bulls to VP? Best stadium without a doubt. Location is iffy, not for where it is but Odsal is bang next to motorway. But Odsal is a dump, no doubting. Most amateur clubs have better facilities.
A very sensible post although a city fan through and through I like to see the Bulls do well too and its about time the clubs maybe looked at about sharing.Osdal has a great history in terms of Rugby and not forgetting the likes of speedway however the place quite bluntly needs a heck of a load of redeveloping to anywhere near the standard required to suit both parties. Valley Parade has its own history of course but the main thing is its a ground that is modern and although many Bulls fans may say in a bad location it meets the standard for both clubs at this moment in time so if the bulls need to survive surely in the short term at least it makes sense to play at Valley Parade.
Having both clubs together would enable VP to be used while Odsal was redeveloped, before both clubs move there. I'm a city fan and I know i'd be more interested in Bulls if there were a ground share.
[quote][p][bold]ricky76[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]flashdonut[/bold] wrote: Bulls fan here. My honest opinion is it is about time. Share resources, share staff, share facilities. The best way forward. One clb doctor, one physion, one groundsamn. A few people will lose their job, that is a shame. But times are hard. People are out of work all over. The clubs should 'merge' and reduce overheads. Hull FC & Hull City share, as do Wigan's. Has to be done. . Question is, where? Bulls to VP? Best stadium without a doubt. Location is iffy, not for where it is but Odsal is bang next to motorway. But Odsal is a dump, no doubting. Most amateur clubs have better facilities.[/p][/quote]A very sensible post although a city fan through and through I like to see the Bulls do well too and its about time the clubs maybe looked at about sharing.Osdal has a great history in terms of Rugby and not forgetting the likes of speedway however the place quite bluntly needs a heck of a load of redeveloping to anywhere near the standard required to suit both parties. Valley Parade has its own history of course but the main thing is its a ground that is modern and although many Bulls fans may say in a bad location it meets the standard for both clubs at this moment in time so if the bulls need to survive surely in the short term at least it makes sense to play at Valley Parade.[/p][/quote]Having both clubs together would enable VP to be used while Odsal was redeveloped, before both clubs move there. I'm a city fan and I know i'd be more interested in Bulls if there were a ground share. Scargutt2
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10:18am Thu 9 Aug 12

dfell says...

How do you know it is Lawn/ Rhodes money that is financing this proposal ? I doubt that. Suspect BCFC is a front for a third party. Possibly with a view of moving to VP at some stage.
How do you know it is Lawn/ Rhodes money that is financing this proposal ? I doubt that. Suspect BCFC is a front for a third party. Possibly with a view of moving to VP at some stage. dfell
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10:20am Thu 9 Aug 12

LuvFootball says...

Bacon Bantam wrote:
raisemeup wrote:
king karl wrote: word is city would move to odsal !!!
That could be on the longer term sense list. Odsal could be the etihad stadium in Yorkshire, and hosting both clubs at a price that will not break the bank,it will save City having to pay the £360k (reported figure)rent per year and bring sport to the City of Bradford in line with the more progressive Cities in the UK. Wishful and fancifull perhaps, but that's the way I would be thinking. Mr Rhodes seems to be a progressive sort of fella anyway.
It will save £360k per year in rent but where are the millions and millions of pounds going to come from to bring the ground up to standard?

This story also confirmed that Sutcliffe and Khan were all mouth, they didn't even submit a bid but still got their faces in the paper day after day.
Can you trust anybody from Bradford called Sutcliffe? A desperate politician or a serial killer, I really wouldn't know which I could trust less?
[quote][p][bold]Bacon Bantam[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]raisemeup[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]king karl[/bold] wrote: word is city would move to odsal !!![/p][/quote]That could be on the longer term sense list. Odsal could be the etihad stadium in Yorkshire, and hosting both clubs at a price that will not break the bank,it will save City having to pay the £360k (reported figure)rent per year and bring sport to the City of Bradford in line with the more progressive Cities in the UK. Wishful and fancifull perhaps, but that's the way I would be thinking. Mr Rhodes seems to be a progressive sort of fella anyway.[/p][/quote]It will save £360k per year in rent but where are the millions and millions of pounds going to come from to bring the ground up to standard? This story also confirmed that Sutcliffe and Khan were all mouth, they didn't even submit a bid but still got their faces in the paper day after day.[/p][/quote]Can you trust anybody from Bradford called Sutcliffe? A desperate politician or a serial killer, I really wouldn't know which I could trust less? LuvFootball
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10:25am Thu 9 Aug 12

Thee Voice of Reason says...

Sheffieldbull wrote:
Thee Voice of Reason wrote: Just looking on Amber Red and Black and still things like this are coming up. hi de hi wrote:Any move to VP is totally out of the question in my book. Seem even with a gun to their head and the future of the club on the line some still thinks beggars can be choosers.
TVoR, for someone who advocates freedom of opinion, isn't that somewhat hypocritical or are you being mischievous yet again. His opinion, his money - it's up to him. . I myself would prefer to watch my team at Odsal, as I'm sure the vast majority of City fans would undoubtedly wish to remain at VP - I can totally understand and respect that. . I have little interest in Football but always wish City success- guess it's a form of territorial loyalty. I attended all the Bulls fixtures when they played at VP and other than the shortness of the pitch and over zealous stewarding, I didn't have any problems with it. Yes, I was happy to return to Odsal because for decades, that has been Northern's and Bulls home. Surely people can understand that - on both sides!
Odsal is more of a prefered choice to you as it's next to the M606.

But when it comes to no club or playing at Valley Parade comments like "totally out of the question" really questions the mentality of some.

If BCFC had to play at Halifax to survive I would still turn up week in week out as it's better than the alternative of no club, so why do some still have the mentality of no way.

Like you said you attended VP and didn't have any problems with it, maybe some people just don't realise how bad the situation at the Bulls really is and that they will line up in SL and at Odsal next season regardless.

The same fella was also calling for a boycott of Hudderfield due to not handing over gate money to Bradford, he was then made to look rather foolish when the Giants came out with a jesture over and above what they are required to do which made him look very foolish indeed.

If your fans will leave in droves by simply moving a mile or two down the road, they can't really be proper fans.
[quote][p][bold]Sheffieldbull[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Thee Voice of Reason[/bold] wrote: Just looking on Amber Red and Black and still things like this are coming up. hi de hi wrote:Any move to VP is totally out of the question in my book. Seem even with a gun to their head and the future of the club on the line some still thinks beggars can be choosers.[/p][/quote]TVoR, for someone who advocates freedom of opinion, isn't that somewhat hypocritical or are you being mischievous yet again. His opinion, his money - it's up to him. . I myself would prefer to watch my team at Odsal, as I'm sure the vast majority of City fans would undoubtedly wish to remain at VP - I can totally understand and respect that. . I have little interest in Football but always wish City success- guess it's a form of territorial loyalty. I attended all the Bulls fixtures when they played at VP and other than the shortness of the pitch and over zealous stewarding, I didn't have any problems with it. Yes, I was happy to return to Odsal because for decades, that has been Northern's and Bulls home. Surely people can understand that - on both sides![/p][/quote]Odsal is more of a prefered choice to you as it's next to the M606. But when it comes to no club or playing at Valley Parade comments like "totally out of the question" really questions the mentality of some. If BCFC had to play at Halifax to survive I would still turn up week in week out as it's better than the alternative of no club, so why do some still have the mentality of no way. Like you said you attended VP and didn't have any problems with it, maybe some people just don't realise how bad the situation at the Bulls really is and that they will line up in SL and at Odsal next season regardless. The same fella was also calling for a boycott of Hudderfield due to not handing over gate money to Bradford, he was then made to look rather foolish when the Giants came out with a jesture over and above what they are required to do which made him look very foolish indeed. If your fans will leave in droves by simply moving a mile or two down the road, they can't really be proper fans. Thee Voice of Reason
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10:32am Thu 9 Aug 12

LuvFootball says...

dfell wrote:
How do you know it is Lawn/ Rhodes money that is financing this proposal ? I doubt that. Suspect BCFC is a front for a third party. Possibly with a view of moving to VP at some stage.
It is Rhodes/Lawn's money that has been the bloodline for City. The family almost went bankrupt keeping the club alive.

They have invested in the club, putting millions into it, so IF it is City that are making a big, it is Rhodes/Lawn's money that will buy the Bulls.

Ground sharing will cut the costs for both clubs and is a viable option. Not many like VP or Odsal, but all the ones that moan about parking at VP, I honestly don't see any argument there. It is just a case of knowing where to park and there is more on street parking within 10 mins walk of the ground than at Odsal.

It does make more business sense to share resources, and because at the moment the Bulls are losing so much money a month, it doesn't mean they will continue to do so under a new regime. The club has been poorly run, even before Hood got involved.

I would still beg to question though, IF this is true, if City do buy the Bulls, chances are they will play at Valley Parade, chances are they will take on the £1.5m debt and the club doesn't really have any assets either. Would it make more business sense to let the club fold and buy the rights to use the Bulls name and have a new Bulls club play at VP without any debt?

The other question is, what will happen to Odsal? I can not see City paying 2 sets of rent for stadiums a couple of miles apart.

This is interesting news and if it is true that it is the Rhodes family, I am sure we will all get a few more facts in a few days time. It is going to be 1 interesting winter for the Bulls this year 1 way or another.
[quote][p][bold]dfell[/bold] wrote: How do you know it is Lawn/ Rhodes money that is financing this proposal ? I doubt that. Suspect BCFC is a front for a third party. Possibly with a view of moving to VP at some stage.[/p][/quote]It is Rhodes/Lawn's money that has been the bloodline for City. The family almost went bankrupt keeping the club alive. They have invested in the club, putting millions into it, so IF it is City that are making a big, it is Rhodes/Lawn's money that will buy the Bulls. Ground sharing will cut the costs for both clubs and is a viable option. Not many like VP or Odsal, but all the ones that moan about parking at VP, I honestly don't see any argument there. It is just a case of knowing where to park and there is more on street parking within 10 mins walk of the ground than at Odsal. It does make more business sense to share resources, and because at the moment the Bulls are losing so much money a month, it doesn't mean they will continue to do so under a new regime. The club has been poorly run, even before Hood got involved. I would still beg to question though, IF this is true, if City do buy the Bulls, chances are they will play at Valley Parade, chances are they will take on the £1.5m debt and the club doesn't really have any assets either. Would it make more business sense to let the club fold and buy the rights to use the Bulls name and have a new Bulls club play at VP without any debt? The other question is, what will happen to Odsal? I can not see City paying 2 sets of rent for stadiums a couple of miles apart. This is interesting news and if it is true that it is the Rhodes family, I am sure we will all get a few more facts in a few days time. It is going to be 1 interesting winter for the Bulls this year 1 way or another. LuvFootball
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10:33am Thu 9 Aug 12

jkirby85 says...

well i must say being a big bulls fan......im for anything aslong as we have a team next year.....i do wish were still in sl yes.....any fan will want that as its the elite.....playing at odsal....vp.....anyw
here for me will do....either way.....rent will be halved and is that bad?......Not really.....now for parking.....do you really need to drive there.....again...no
t really as theres such thing as buses to vp......away fans can get to both.....COYB!!!!
well i must say being a big bulls fan......im for anything aslong as we have a team next year.....i do wish were still in sl yes.....any fan will want that as its the elite.....playing at odsal....vp.....anyw here for me will do....either way.....rent will be halved and is that bad?......Not really.....now for parking.....do you really need to drive there.....again...no t really as theres such thing as buses to vp......away fans can get to both.....COYB!!!! jkirby85
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10:35am Thu 9 Aug 12

Bulls sup 1975 but no more says...

I may be naive but I'd like bulls season tkt holders to hear exactly what both bids entail -pros and cons and then we should be able to vote, even if the vote would not ultimately decide the outcome, at least we could show our feelings. If we aren't happy with terms of the accepted bid the new team will lose the fans.
I may be naive but I'd like bulls season tkt holders to hear exactly what both bids entail -pros and cons and then we should be able to vote, even if the vote would not ultimately decide the outcome, at least we could show our feelings. If we aren't happy with terms of the accepted bid the new team will lose the fans. Bulls sup 1975 but no more
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10:39am Thu 9 Aug 12

Bulls sup 1975 but no more says...

Sorry my user name was created weeks ago,in anger at the Bulls Board. I'm now probably more of a supporter of the coach and team than I was ever before and desparate for them to stay in SL next season. Good Luck for Play-offs they deserve it.
Sorry my user name was created weeks ago,in anger at the Bulls Board. I'm now probably more of a supporter of the coach and team than I was ever before and desparate for them to stay in SL next season. Good Luck for Play-offs they deserve it. Bulls sup 1975 but no more
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10:42am Thu 9 Aug 12

johntheumpire says...

I know that we are in the 'Silly Season' but this is too ridiculous for words!
I know that we are in the 'Silly Season' but this is too ridiculous for words! johntheumpire
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10:47am Thu 9 Aug 12

bctomuk says...

I have a season ticket for both Bradford City and Bradford Bulls and would 100% support a ground share.

Whether this is at a re-developed Odsal or at Valley Parade I wouldnt mind.
I have a season ticket for both Bradford City and Bradford Bulls and would 100% support a ground share. Whether this is at a re-developed Odsal or at Valley Parade I wouldnt mind. bctomuk
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10:48am Thu 9 Aug 12

1 bingley bantam says...

Erm if there is spare cash flying about why dont we look after ourselves first and spend on defo getting us out of this bloody league.I have nothing against the Bulls whatsoever and wish them all the best but where were they when we were on the brink and they were throwing money about like confetti?
Unless as some suspect there is somet going on ie 3rd party that were not aware of.We shall see.
Erm if there is spare cash flying about why dont we look after ourselves first and spend on defo getting us out of this bloody league.I have nothing against the Bulls whatsoever and wish them all the best but where were they when we were on the brink and they were throwing money about like confetti? Unless as some suspect there is somet going on ie 3rd party that were not aware of.We shall see. 1 bingley bantam
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10:54am Thu 9 Aug 12

DerbyBull says...

Ok ! I cant believe i am saying this but this can only be a good thing....It is clear the SLE bid would have confirmed Championship Rugby next season and in reality for years to come.....while super league is still not assured, if the debts are paid off then we have a much better chance...As far as sharing with city...what is the problem ? It makes financial sense in these difficult times and is working perfectly for the likes of Wigan and Hull......I believe over time it would be mutually beneficial for the clubs ....The sticking point will be the stadium but who is to say that in the long term both clubs dont combine and build a new stadium...I love Odsal and it has lots of family and emotional connections but i am sure Wigan fans would have said the same about central Park.....would rather be in their position now !!
Ok ! I cant believe i am saying this but this can only be a good thing....It is clear the SLE bid would have confirmed Championship Rugby next season and in reality for years to come.....while super league is still not assured, if the debts are paid off then we have a much better chance...As far as sharing with city...what is the problem ? It makes financial sense in these difficult times and is working perfectly for the likes of Wigan and Hull......I believe over time it would be mutually beneficial for the clubs ....The sticking point will be the stadium but who is to say that in the long term both clubs dont combine and build a new stadium...I love Odsal and it has lots of family and emotional connections but i am sure Wigan fans would have said the same about central Park.....would rather be in their position now !! DerbyBull
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10:54am Thu 9 Aug 12

tyker2 says...

as predicted by me yesterday as follows:

:yker2 says...
4:25pm Wed 8 Aug 12

Reality50 wrote:
The fact is no one is going to make a big offer unless SL membership is guaranteed.Anyone would be crazy to invest and buy a club that is in the Championship with no prospect of promotion.Bulls should be forcibly relegated after the next 4 games but of course they won't as SL and the RFL are bent to the core.Hope Bulls survive but not as an SL club as they gave up all right to being in SL with the farce of the last few months.
precisely:the golden key to unlock this unholy mess is held by the SL.

Could it be the one and only MARL LAWN: it would give him another platform to berate supporters!!
as predicted by me yesterday as follows: :yker2 says... 4:25pm Wed 8 Aug 12 Reality50 wrote: The fact is no one is going to make a big offer unless SL membership is guaranteed.Anyone would be crazy to invest and buy a club that is in the Championship with no prospect of promotion.Bulls should be forcibly relegated after the next 4 games but of course they won't as SL and the RFL are bent to the core.Hope Bulls survive but not as an SL club as they gave up all right to being in SL with the farce of the last few months. precisely:the golden key to unlock this unholy mess is held by the SL. Could it be the one and only MARL LAWN: it would give him another platform to berate supporters!! tyker2
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10:57am Thu 9 Aug 12

flashdonut says...

ricky76 wrote:
raisemeup wrote:
ricky76 wrote:
flashdonut wrote:
Bulls fan here. My honest opinion is it is about time. Share resources, share staff, share facilities. The best way forward. One clb doctor, one physion, one groundsamn. A few people will lose their job, that is a shame. But times are hard. People are out of work all over. The clubs should 'merge' and reduce overheads. Hull FC & Hull City share, as do Wigan's. Has to be done.
.
Question is, where? Bulls to VP? Best stadium without a doubt. Location is iffy, not for where it is but Odsal is bang next to motorway. But Odsal is a dump, no doubting. Most amateur clubs have better facilities.
A very sensible post although a city fan through and through I like to see the Bulls do well too and its about time the clubs maybe looked at about sharing.Osdal has a great history in terms of Rugby and not forgetting the likes of speedway however the place quite bluntly needs a heck of a load of redeveloping to anywhere near the standard required to suit both parties. Valley Parade has its own history of course but the main thing is its a ground that is modern and although many Bulls fans may say in a bad location it meets the standard for both clubs at this moment in time so if the bulls need to survive surely in the short term at least it makes sense to play at Valley Parade.
Another sensible post there.

The best answer is always in the detail:

Two scenario's both attractive.
But in the long term, the best development is Odsal.

The room for expansion and development is there. and in a way we have a blank canvas, so to speak.

It will take time, but I am sure with the collective will of all parties, hopefully one day we will see the "sporting village" scene in Bradford.

At least someone has the vision, lets hope the silly protectionalists., we encounter, don't hold the sway they think they do.

Vision and progress is what we need, I think a big wadge of cash is also useful. Sadly that's a commodity everyone says they haven't got,even when they have. ie if you ever ask for investment the stock answer is: "The trouble, is there's no money?".
Like say short term VP has got to be the answer long term I can see a new ground being built away from existing stadium like Hull Wigan and Huddersfield have done.
Odsal has a clause I belive that no building work can be done till 2019. So, Bulls move to VP next season. They split the rent to Gibb. Then 2019, they build a new, 20 000 setaer stadium at Odsal. No more expensive VP debt. Fully designed to be able to extend. Designed around professional Football & Rugby. It gives Rhodes and whoever six years to draft a plan and seek investement.
.
A purpose bult stadium, with a hotel too. Maybe a new gym, even a training pitch. Less overheads going forward. The council will back the idea.
.
Just my thoughts, don't bother shooting me down. I could be way off.
[quote][p][bold]ricky76[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]raisemeup[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]ricky76[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]flashdonut[/bold] wrote: Bulls fan here. My honest opinion is it is about time. Share resources, share staff, share facilities. The best way forward. One clb doctor, one physion, one groundsamn. A few people will lose their job, that is a shame. But times are hard. People are out of work all over. The clubs should 'merge' and reduce overheads. Hull FC & Hull City share, as do Wigan's. Has to be done. . Question is, where? Bulls to VP? Best stadium without a doubt. Location is iffy, not for where it is but Odsal is bang next to motorway. But Odsal is a dump, no doubting. Most amateur clubs have better facilities.[/p][/quote]A very sensible post although a city fan through and through I like to see the Bulls do well too and its about time the clubs maybe looked at about sharing.Osdal has a great history in terms of Rugby and not forgetting the likes of speedway however the place quite bluntly needs a heck of a load of redeveloping to anywhere near the standard required to suit both parties. Valley Parade has its own history of course but the main thing is its a ground that is modern and although many Bulls fans may say in a bad location it meets the standard for both clubs at this moment in time so if the bulls need to survive surely in the short term at least it makes sense to play at Valley Parade.[/p][/quote]Another sensible post there. The best answer is always in the detail: Two scenario's both attractive. But in the long term, the best development is Odsal. The room for expansion and development is there. and in a way we have a blank canvas, so to speak. It will take time, but I am sure with the collective will of all parties, hopefully one day we will see the "sporting village" scene in Bradford. At least someone has the vision, lets hope the silly protectionalists., we encounter, don't hold the sway they think they do. Vision and progress is what we need, I think a big wadge of cash is also useful. Sadly that's a commodity everyone says they haven't got,even when they have. ie if you ever ask for investment the stock answer is: "The trouble, is there's no money?".[/p][/quote]Like say short term VP has got to be the answer long term I can see a new ground being built away from existing stadium like Hull Wigan and Huddersfield have done.[/p][/quote]Odsal has a clause I belive that no building work can be done till 2019. So, Bulls move to VP next season. They split the rent to Gibb. Then 2019, they build a new, 20 000 setaer stadium at Odsal. No more expensive VP debt. Fully designed to be able to extend. Designed around professional Football & Rugby. It gives Rhodes and whoever six years to draft a plan and seek investement. . A purpose bult stadium, with a hotel too. Maybe a new gym, even a training pitch. Less overheads going forward. The council will back the idea. . Just my thoughts, don't bother shooting me down. I could be way off. flashdonut
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10:58am Thu 9 Aug 12

frickleybantam says...

WTF!!!! Have we suddenly found oil under the VP pitch???

We struggle year on year financially and now this. I feal another trip to the dentist coming after another kick in the teeth.

If you have money to spend, spend it on City!!!

THIS NEWS IS A COMPLETE JOKE!!!
WTF!!!! Have we suddenly found oil under the VP pitch??? We struggle year on year financially and now this. I feal another trip to the dentist coming after another kick in the teeth. If you have money to spend, spend it on City!!! THIS NEWS IS A COMPLETE JOKE!!! frickleybantam
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11:04am Thu 9 Aug 12

Bacon Bantam says...

flashdonut wrote:
ricky76 wrote:
raisemeup wrote:
ricky76 wrote:
flashdonut wrote: Bulls fan here. My honest opinion is it is about time. Share resources, share staff, share facilities. The best way forward. One clb doctor, one physion, one groundsamn. A few people will lose their job, that is a shame. But times are hard. People are out of work all over. The clubs should 'merge' and reduce overheads. Hull FC & Hull City share, as do Wigan's. Has to be done. . Question is, where? Bulls to VP? Best stadium without a doubt. Location is iffy, not for where it is but Odsal is bang next to motorway. But Odsal is a dump, no doubting. Most amateur clubs have better facilities.
A very sensible post although a city fan through and through I like to see the Bulls do well too and its about time the clubs maybe looked at about sharing.Osdal has a great history in terms of Rugby and not forgetting the likes of speedway however the place quite bluntly needs a heck of a load of redeveloping to anywhere near the standard required to suit both parties. Valley Parade has its own history of course but the main thing is its a ground that is modern and although many Bulls fans may say in a bad location it meets the standard for both clubs at this moment in time so if the bulls need to survive surely in the short term at least it makes sense to play at Valley Parade.
Another sensible post there. The best answer is always in the detail: Two scenario's both attractive. But in the long term, the best development is Odsal. The room for expansion and development is there. and in a way we have a blank canvas, so to speak. It will take time, but I am sure with the collective will of all parties, hopefully one day we will see the "sporting village" scene in Bradford. At least someone has the vision, lets hope the silly protectionalists., we encounter, don't hold the sway they think they do. Vision and progress is what we need, I think a big wadge of cash is also useful. Sadly that's a commodity everyone says they haven't got,even when they have. ie if you ever ask for investment the stock answer is: "The trouble, is there's no money?".
Like say short term VP has got to be the answer long term I can see a new ground being built away from existing stadium like Hull Wigan and Huddersfield have done.
Odsal has a clause I belive that no building work can be done till 2019. So, Bulls move to VP next season. They split the rent to Gibb. Then 2019, they build a new, 20 000 setaer stadium at Odsal. No more expensive VP debt. Fully designed to be able to extend. Designed around professional Football & Rugby. It gives Rhodes and whoever six years to draft a plan and seek investement. . A purpose bult stadium, with a hotel too. Maybe a new gym, even a training pitch. Less overheads going forward. The council will back the idea. . Just my thoughts, don't bother shooting me down. I could be way off.
No more expensive VP debt? So building a brand new 20k stadium is the cheaper option is it.

The council would be murdered for funding such a thing when cuts are being made across the board and with their track record who would trust them anyhow (remember the Wembley of the North?)
[quote][p][bold]flashdonut[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]ricky76[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]raisemeup[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]ricky76[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]flashdonut[/bold] wrote: Bulls fan here. My honest opinion is it is about time. Share resources, share staff, share facilities. The best way forward. One clb doctor, one physion, one groundsamn. A few people will lose their job, that is a shame. But times are hard. People are out of work all over. The clubs should 'merge' and reduce overheads. Hull FC & Hull City share, as do Wigan's. Has to be done. . Question is, where? Bulls to VP? Best stadium without a doubt. Location is iffy, not for where it is but Odsal is bang next to motorway. But Odsal is a dump, no doubting. Most amateur clubs have better facilities.[/p][/quote]A very sensible post although a city fan through and through I like to see the Bulls do well too and its about time the clubs maybe looked at about sharing.Osdal has a great history in terms of Rugby and not forgetting the likes of speedway however the place quite bluntly needs a heck of a load of redeveloping to anywhere near the standard required to suit both parties. Valley Parade has its own history of course but the main thing is its a ground that is modern and although many Bulls fans may say in a bad location it meets the standard for both clubs at this moment in time so if the bulls need to survive surely in the short term at least it makes sense to play at Valley Parade.[/p][/quote]Another sensible post there. The best answer is always in the detail: Two scenario's both attractive. But in the long term, the best development is Odsal. The room for expansion and development is there. and in a way we have a blank canvas, so to speak. It will take time, but I am sure with the collective will of all parties, hopefully one day we will see the "sporting village" scene in Bradford. At least someone has the vision, lets hope the silly protectionalists., we encounter, don't hold the sway they think they do. Vision and progress is what we need, I think a big wadge of cash is also useful. Sadly that's a commodity everyone says they haven't got,even when they have. ie if you ever ask for investment the stock answer is: "The trouble, is there's no money?".[/p][/quote]Like say short term VP has got to be the answer long term I can see a new ground being built away from existing stadium like Hull Wigan and Huddersfield have done.[/p][/quote]Odsal has a clause I belive that no building work can be done till 2019. So, Bulls move to VP next season. They split the rent to Gibb. Then 2019, they build a new, 20 000 setaer stadium at Odsal. No more expensive VP debt. Fully designed to be able to extend. Designed around professional Football & Rugby. It gives Rhodes and whoever six years to draft a plan and seek investement. . A purpose bult stadium, with a hotel too. Maybe a new gym, even a training pitch. Less overheads going forward. The council will back the idea. . Just my thoughts, don't bother shooting me down. I could be way off.[/p][/quote]No more expensive VP debt? So building a brand new 20k stadium is the cheaper option is it. The council would be murdered for funding such a thing when cuts are being made across the board and with their track record who would trust them anyhow (remember the Wembley of the North?) Bacon Bantam
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11:06am Thu 9 Aug 12

BigFigure says...

tyker2 wrote:
as predicted by me yesterday as follows:

:yker2 says...
4:25pm Wed 8 Aug 12

Reality50 wrote:
The fact is no one is going to make a big offer unless SL membership is guaranteed.Anyone would be crazy to invest and buy a club that is in the Championship with no prospect of promotion.Bulls should be forcibly relegated after the next 4 games but of course they won't as SL and the RFL are bent to the core.Hope Bulls survive but not as an SL club as they gave up all right to being in SL with the farce of the last few months.
precisely:the golden key to unlock this unholy mess is held by the SL.

Could it be the one and only MARL LAWN: it would give him another platform to berate supporters!!
MARL Lawn? who he? :)
[quote][p][bold]tyker2[/bold] wrote: as predicted by me yesterday as follows: :yker2 says... 4:25pm Wed 8 Aug 12 Reality50 wrote: The fact is no one is going to make a big offer unless SL membership is guaranteed.Anyone would be crazy to invest and buy a club that is in the Championship with no prospect of promotion.Bulls should be forcibly relegated after the next 4 games but of course they won't as SL and the RFL are bent to the core.Hope Bulls survive but not as an SL club as they gave up all right to being in SL with the farce of the last few months. precisely:the golden key to unlock this unholy mess is held by the SL. Could it be the one and only MARL LAWN: it would give him another platform to berate supporters!![/p][/quote]MARL Lawn? who he? :) BigFigure
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11:13am Thu 9 Aug 12

tyker2 says...

before we all get carried away by which ground etc there are two onerous leases to sort out. The RFL must have some guarantee from someone to ensure their rent is paid just as Gibb has guarantors for his company's pension fund at VP.

Don't ever think Gibb will fall for a sucker punch about City leaving VP.

The cheapest option will be for the Bulls to play at VP.despite it's limitations for rugby. If that occurs what guarantee is there that the Bulls retain their licence and that would create an almighty pickle.

I do wonder though where Lawn and Rhodes have got the funding for this exercise. funding which seems not to be available to the Bantams!
before we all get carried away by which ground etc there are two onerous leases to sort out. The RFL must have some guarantee from someone to ensure their rent is paid just as Gibb has guarantors for his company's pension fund at VP. Don't ever think Gibb will fall for a sucker punch about City leaving VP. The cheapest option will be for the Bulls to play at VP.despite it's limitations for rugby. If that occurs what guarantee is there that the Bulls retain their licence and that would create an almighty pickle. I do wonder though where Lawn and Rhodes have got the funding for this exercise. funding which seems not to be available to the Bantams! tyker2
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11:22am Thu 9 Aug 12

allannicho says...

flashdonut wrote:
Bulls fan here. My honest opinion is it is about time. Share resources, share staff, share facilities. The best way forward. One clb doctor, one physion, one groundsamn. A few people will lose their job, that is a shame. But times are hard. People are out of work all over. The clubs should 'merge' and reduce overheads. Hull FC & Hull City share, as do Wigan's. Has to be done.
.
Question is, where? Bulls to VP? Best stadium without a doubt. Location is iffy, not for where it is but Odsal is bang next to motorway. But Odsal is a dump, no doubting. Most amateur clubs have better facilities.
Well said.
[quote][p][bold]flashdonut[/bold] wrote: Bulls fan here. My honest opinion is it is about time. Share resources, share staff, share facilities. The best way forward. One clb doctor, one physion, one groundsamn. A few people will lose their job, that is a shame. But times are hard. People are out of work all over. The clubs should 'merge' and reduce overheads. Hull FC & Hull City share, as do Wigan's. Has to be done. . Question is, where? Bulls to VP? Best stadium without a doubt. Location is iffy, not for where it is but Odsal is bang next to motorway. But Odsal is a dump, no doubting. Most amateur clubs have better facilities.[/p][/quote]Well said. allannicho
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11:28am Thu 9 Aug 12

Thee Voice of Reason says...

As far as I'm aware, Rhodes is a guarantor on the Valley Parade lease and the lease could only be broken if the club was placed into administation.

Odsal is not up to football league standard in various ways.

These two points alone suggest that City won't be moving to Odsal any time soon.

For the Bulls they have already played at Valley Parade and although the pitch size can be questioned there is no reason why the front 5 rows of the kop couldn't be removed to extend the pitch is there? They are covered up at games anyhow and attendances don't appear to require them.

The RFL though could and probably will stop any move as terms of current lease. With BCFC offering the Bulls another place to go maybe that will weaken the stance on the RFL to try keep hold of the lease and therefore suggest a buyback clause which hasn't been availible as yet.

So now we have a bid where the Bulls will repay all creditors which the RFL have suggested would allow them to keep their SL licence and also allow for the buy back of the Odsal lease as the RFL could see the Bulls uping sticks and moving down to Valley Parade.

If this is the case, BCFC could simply then sell on the club afterward to the ABC group who were wanting these conditions.

Talk about that for adding 2+2 together to get 1495.
As far as I'm aware, Rhodes is a guarantor on the Valley Parade lease and the lease could only be broken if the club was placed into administation. Odsal is not up to football league standard in various ways. These two points alone suggest that City won't be moving to Odsal any time soon. For the Bulls they have already played at Valley Parade and although the pitch size can be questioned there is no reason why the front 5 rows of the kop couldn't be removed to extend the pitch is there? They are covered up at games anyhow and attendances don't appear to require them. The RFL though could and probably will stop any move as terms of current lease. With BCFC offering the Bulls another place to go maybe that will weaken the stance on the RFL to try keep hold of the lease and therefore suggest a buyback clause which hasn't been availible as yet. So now we have a bid where the Bulls will repay all creditors which the RFL have suggested would allow them to keep their SL licence and also allow for the buy back of the Odsal lease as the RFL could see the Bulls uping sticks and moving down to Valley Parade. If this is the case, BCFC could simply then sell on the club afterward to the ABC group who were wanting these conditions. Talk about that for adding 2+2 together to get 1495. Thee Voice of Reason
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11:29am Thu 9 Aug 12

LuvFootball says...

tyker2 wrote:
before we all get carried away by which ground etc there are two onerous leases to sort out. The RFL must have some guarantee from someone to ensure their rent is paid just as Gibb has guarantors for his company's pension fund at VP.

Don't ever think Gibb will fall for a sucker punch about City leaving VP.

The cheapest option will be for the Bulls to play at VP.despite it's limitations for rugby. If that occurs what guarantee is there that the Bulls retain their licence and that would create an almighty pickle.

I do wonder though where Lawn and Rhodes have got the funding for this exercise. funding which seems not to be available to the Bantams!
Not to mention of the standards of grounds within the football league. From my understanding Odsal is ok for the 3rd and 4th division, but for the top 2 tiers as far as I am aware all grounds need to be all seaters which Odsal isn't. IF City relocate to Odsal, the would need to invest heavily to convert all stands to meet the football league's requirements.

As far as I am aware.
[quote][p][bold]tyker2[/bold] wrote: before we all get carried away by which ground etc there are two onerous leases to sort out. The RFL must have some guarantee from someone to ensure their rent is paid just as Gibb has guarantors for his company's pension fund at VP. Don't ever think Gibb will fall for a sucker punch about City leaving VP. The cheapest option will be for the Bulls to play at VP.despite it's limitations for rugby. If that occurs what guarantee is there that the Bulls retain their licence and that would create an almighty pickle. I do wonder though where Lawn and Rhodes have got the funding for this exercise. funding which seems not to be available to the Bantams![/p][/quote]Not to mention of the standards of grounds within the football league. From my understanding Odsal is ok for the 3rd and 4th division, but for the top 2 tiers as far as I am aware all grounds need to be all seaters which Odsal isn't. IF City relocate to Odsal, the would need to invest heavily to convert all stands to meet the football league's requirements. As far as I am aware. LuvFootball
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11:29am Thu 9 Aug 12

Prisoner Cell Block A says...

You don't get to vote, why should you, your pots are broke, when people pee it runs all over the floor. Businessmen are trying to buy a business, they now do not care what you think, what you want. They will either buy and save the business, hopefully taking it on from there and strengthening it or it will be rejected again. At no point during any of this will you or any other Bulls/City fan get a say.

Accept the morsels of food thrown your way as beggars do.
You don't get to vote, why should you, your pots are broke, when people pee it runs all over the floor. Businessmen are trying to buy a business, they now do not care what you think, what you want. They will either buy and save the business, hopefully taking it on from there and strengthening it or it will be rejected again. At no point during any of this will you or any other Bulls/City fan get a say. Accept the morsels of food thrown your way as beggars do. Prisoner Cell Block A
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11:34am Thu 9 Aug 12

LuvFootball says...

frickleybantam wrote:
WTF!!!! Have we suddenly found oil under the VP pitch???

We struggle year on year financially and now this. I feal another trip to the dentist coming after another kick in the teeth.

If you have money to spend, spend it on City!!!

THIS NEWS IS A COMPLETE JOKE!!!
Buy them out and use YOUR money. Simple.
[quote][p][bold]frickleybantam[/bold] wrote: WTF!!!! Have we suddenly found oil under the VP pitch??? We struggle year on year financially and now this. I feal another trip to the dentist coming after another kick in the teeth. If you have money to spend, spend it on City!!! THIS NEWS IS A COMPLETE JOKE!!![/p][/quote]Buy them out and use YOUR money. Simple. LuvFootball
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11:40am Thu 9 Aug 12

dannbradfc says...

The two clubs should have been ground sharing in a super stadium since the '80's but that would have meant sound long term vision.

IF it was to happen Odsal would mean too much work been done so it would be odds on a move to Valley parade. Would this then entitle us to sell the land at odsal???? Just a though but this money may be reinvested and make Bulls solvent again and/or allow us to buy valley parade back. Not sure of the situation so maybe miles off the mark here, but it does open up alot of questions.

Bulls fans would fear a move to valley parade.

City fans will ask where the money as come from all of a sudden since our own last financial issues. Plus wonder why we couldn't put it into player budgets and climb the leagues etc

If run financially independently from each other, which i imagine would have to be secured, then why can't it work?

Think long term guys and good luck to 'em. I want all Bradford clubs to do well.......
The two clubs should have been ground sharing in a super stadium since the '80's but that would have meant sound long term vision. IF it was to happen Odsal would mean too much work been done so it would be odds on a move to Valley parade. Would this then entitle us to sell the land at odsal???? Just a though but this money may be reinvested and make Bulls solvent again and/or allow us to buy valley parade back. Not sure of the situation so maybe miles off the mark here, but it does open up alot of questions. Bulls fans would fear a move to valley parade. City fans will ask where the money as come from all of a sudden since our own last financial issues. Plus wonder why we couldn't put it into player budgets and climb the leagues etc If run financially independently from each other, which i imagine would have to be secured, then why can't it work? Think long term guys and good luck to 'em. I want all Bradford clubs to do well....... dannbradfc
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11:43am Thu 9 Aug 12

thebantammenace says...

flashdonut wrote:
Bulls fan here. My honest opinion is it is about time. Share resources, share staff, share facilities. The best way forward. One clb doctor, one physion, one groundsamn. A few people will lose their job, that is a shame. But times are hard. People are out of work all over. The clubs should 'merge' and reduce overheads. Hull FC & Hull City share, as do Wigan's. Has to be done.
.
Question is, where? Bulls to VP? Best stadium without a doubt. Location is iffy, not for where it is but Odsal is bang next to motorway. But Odsal is a dump, no doubting. Most amateur clubs have better facilities.
Blimey, a level headed opinion on here, there's a first.
[quote][p][bold]flashdonut[/bold] wrote: Bulls fan here. My honest opinion is it is about time. Share resources, share staff, share facilities. The best way forward. One clb doctor, one physion, one groundsamn. A few people will lose their job, that is a shame. But times are hard. People are out of work all over. The clubs should 'merge' and reduce overheads. Hull FC & Hull City share, as do Wigan's. Has to be done. . Question is, where? Bulls to VP? Best stadium without a doubt. Location is iffy, not for where it is but Odsal is bang next to motorway. But Odsal is a dump, no doubting. Most amateur clubs have better facilities.[/p][/quote]Blimey, a level headed opinion on here, there's a first. thebantammenace
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11:43am Thu 9 Aug 12

dannbradfc says...

Soz i should add that i know that the RFl own the ground but IF an arrangement was reached could they still be profit from a sale that could finance bulls?
Soz i should add that i know that the RFl own the ground but IF an arrangement was reached could they still be profit from a sale that could finance bulls? dannbradfc
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11:47am Thu 9 Aug 12

LuvFootball says...

Prisoner Cell Block A wrote:
You don't get to vote, why should you, your pots are broke, when people pee it runs all over the floor. Businessmen are trying to buy a business, they now do not care what you think, what you want. They will either buy and save the business, hopefully taking it on from there and strengthening it or it will be rejected again. At no point during any of this will you or any other Bulls/City fan get a say.

Accept the morsels of food thrown your way as beggars do.
Agree with you there. You hear that if someone is a paying fan they SHOULD have a say what the owners do. Why should we? I have paid hundreds on Microsoft software, should that give me a right to tell Bill gates what he can spend his money on? I have spent thousands on Virgin products, does that give me a say what companies Richard Branson can buy or industries he can buy into? I have spent thousands on Ford, Skoda and Vauxhall products, does that give me a right to tell Ford, VW or General motors which manufacturers they can buy and sell?

Once you spend your money on a season ticket, that money is no longer your's believe it or not, and have no right on how to say that money is then spent. That money then becomes the property of the owner of said company.

All sets of fans should welcome this, IF it isn't viable, City will just cut ties, but look at Rhinos and Tykes, look at Hull, Wigan and more recently look at Ashley looking to invest into Rangers. Because someone owns 1 club that does not mean they can not own another or invest elsewhere, especially if there are benefits for both clubs.

There are many petty idiots on these blogs, Ken Morrison is slated because he doesn't waste millions on City. To be honest, if I was as rich as him, I really wouldn't put it into City or the Bulls, but I am thankful that there are people that are and the ones running City I do trust.
[quote][p][bold]Prisoner Cell Block A[/bold] wrote: You don't get to vote, why should you, your pots are broke, when people pee it runs all over the floor. Businessmen are trying to buy a business, they now do not care what you think, what you want. They will either buy and save the business, hopefully taking it on from there and strengthening it or it will be rejected again. At no point during any of this will you or any other Bulls/City fan get a say. Accept the morsels of food thrown your way as beggars do.[/p][/quote]Agree with you there. You hear that if someone is a paying fan they SHOULD have a say what the owners do. Why should we? I have paid hundreds on Microsoft software, should that give me a right to tell Bill gates what he can spend his money on? I have spent thousands on Virgin products, does that give me a say what companies Richard Branson can buy or industries he can buy into? I have spent thousands on Ford, Skoda and Vauxhall products, does that give me a right to tell Ford, VW or General motors which manufacturers they can buy and sell? Once you spend your money on a season ticket, that money is no longer your's believe it or not, and have no right on how to say that money is then spent. That money then becomes the property of the owner of said company. All sets of fans should welcome this, IF it isn't viable, City will just cut ties, but look at Rhinos and Tykes, look at Hull, Wigan and more recently look at Ashley looking to invest into Rangers. Because someone owns 1 club that does not mean they can not own another or invest elsewhere, especially if there are benefits for both clubs. There are many petty idiots on these blogs, Ken Morrison is slated because he doesn't waste millions on City. To be honest, if I was as rich as him, I really wouldn't put it into City or the Bulls, but I am thankful that there are people that are and the ones running City I do trust. LuvFootball
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11:47am Thu 9 Aug 12

Ralphie says...

I think that the rent for Odsal is £78,000 a year which is probably what clubs would have to pay to a reasonable Super League player and the RFL are responsible for maintenance etc. I suppose as long as you pay the rent you do n't actually have to play there!
I think that the rent for Odsal is £78,000 a year which is probably what clubs would have to pay to a reasonable Super League player and the RFL are responsible for maintenance etc. I suppose as long as you pay the rent you do n't actually have to play there! Ralphie
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11:52am Thu 9 Aug 12

Bullcity says...

As yuo can see from my writing name I am a follower of both teams. A united area for playing in be it VP or Odsal does not bother me. If the Bulls survive & City benefit where is the problem. Seems to work for Hull, Wigan, & huddersfield with a ground share so why not Bradford.
Lets hope the bid is accepted then we can all get on !!
As yuo can see from my writing name I am a follower of both teams. A united area for playing in be it VP or Odsal does not bother me. If the Bulls survive & City benefit where is the problem. Seems to work for Hull, Wigan, & huddersfield with a ground share so why not Bradford. Lets hope the bid is accepted then we can all get on !! Bullcity
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11:57am Thu 9 Aug 12

Thee Voice of Reason says...

Prisoner Cell Block A wrote:
You don't get to vote, why should you, your pots are broke, when people pee it runs all over the floor. Businessmen are trying to buy a business, they now do not care what you think, what you want. They will either buy and save the business, hopefully taking it on from there and strengthening it or it will be rejected again. At no point during any of this will you or any other Bulls/City fan get a say. Accept the morsels of food thrown your way as beggars do.
I read this and had to laugh.

http://forums.rlfans
.com/viewtopic.php?f
=19&t=534354&tsmp=13
44509774

The stubborness of some is laughable. They would rather give away their SL status so they don't have to travel a mile or so more to watch the team they support.
[quote][p][bold]Prisoner Cell Block A[/bold] wrote: You don't get to vote, why should you, your pots are broke, when people pee it runs all over the floor. Businessmen are trying to buy a business, they now do not care what you think, what you want. They will either buy and save the business, hopefully taking it on from there and strengthening it or it will be rejected again. At no point during any of this will you or any other Bulls/City fan get a say. Accept the morsels of food thrown your way as beggars do.[/p][/quote]I read this and had to laugh. http://forums.rlfans .com/viewtopic.php?f =19&t=534354&tsmp=13 44509774 The stubborness of some is laughable. They would rather give away their SL status so they don't have to travel a mile or so more to watch the team they support. Thee Voice of Reason
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12:10pm Thu 9 Aug 12

tyker2 says...

Thee Voice of Reason wrote:
As far as I'm aware, Rhodes is a guarantor on the Valley Parade lease and the lease could only be broken if the club was placed into administation.

Odsal is not up to football league standard in various ways.

These two points alone suggest that City won't be moving to Odsal any time soon.

For the Bulls they have already played at Valley Parade and although the pitch size can be questioned there is no reason why the front 5 rows of the kop couldn't be removed to extend the pitch is there? They are covered up at games anyhow and attendances don't appear to require them.

The RFL though could and probably will stop any move as terms of current lease. With BCFC offering the Bulls another place to go maybe that will weaken the stance on the RFL to try keep hold of the lease and therefore suggest a buyback clause which hasn't been availible as yet.

So now we have a bid where the Bulls will repay all creditors which the RFL have suggested would allow them to keep their SL licence and also allow for the buy back of the Odsal lease as the RFL could see the Bulls uping sticks and moving down to Valley Parade.

If this is the case, BCFC could simply then sell on the club afterward to the ABC group who were wanting these conditions.

Talk about that for adding 2+2 together to get 1495.
don't follow your logic here fella. A guarantor protects the lender from an administration/liqui
daton. That is why when lending to a limited liability company or entering onto a lease with such a personal guarantee is given to the landlord by an individual in the event the company cannot pay.

So if City decide to go into administration ( irrespective of points deductions etc and possibly more) then the guarantor has to pay that which he has guaranteed to be paid. A similar situation arises if City decide to up sticks and move elsewhere. That rent would still have to be paid the tenant or the guarantor.

So the various lease have to be sorted out one way or another. One way is to buy the lease out but the directors of city have previously stated that they cannot afford that option!!

Severe financial problems exist on the grounds before a decision is made as to which venue is used.
[quote][p][bold]Thee Voice of Reason[/bold] wrote: As far as I'm aware, Rhodes is a guarantor on the Valley Parade lease and the lease could only be broken if the club was placed into administation. Odsal is not up to football league standard in various ways. These two points alone suggest that City won't be moving to Odsal any time soon. For the Bulls they have already played at Valley Parade and although the pitch size can be questioned there is no reason why the front 5 rows of the kop couldn't be removed to extend the pitch is there? They are covered up at games anyhow and attendances don't appear to require them. The RFL though could and probably will stop any move as terms of current lease. With BCFC offering the Bulls another place to go maybe that will weaken the stance on the RFL to try keep hold of the lease and therefore suggest a buyback clause which hasn't been availible as yet. So now we have a bid where the Bulls will repay all creditors which the RFL have suggested would allow them to keep their SL licence and also allow for the buy back of the Odsal lease as the RFL could see the Bulls uping sticks and moving down to Valley Parade. If this is the case, BCFC could simply then sell on the club afterward to the ABC group who were wanting these conditions. Talk about that for adding 2+2 together to get 1495.[/p][/quote]don't follow your logic here fella. A guarantor protects the lender from an administration/liqui daton. That is why when lending to a limited liability company or entering onto a lease with such a personal guarantee is given to the landlord by an individual in the event the company cannot pay. So if City decide to go into administration ( irrespective of points deductions etc and possibly more) then the guarantor has to pay that which he has guaranteed to be paid. A similar situation arises if City decide to up sticks and move elsewhere. That rent would still have to be paid the tenant or the guarantor. So the various lease have to be sorted out one way or another. One way is to buy the lease out but the directors of city have previously stated that they cannot afford that option!! Severe financial problems exist on the grounds before a decision is made as to which venue is used. tyker2
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12:12pm Thu 9 Aug 12

tyker2 says...

BigFigure wrote:
tyker2 wrote:
as predicted by me yesterday as follows:

:yker2 says...
4:25pm Wed 8 Aug 12

Reality50 wrote:
The fact is no one is going to make a big offer unless SL membership is guaranteed.Anyone would be crazy to invest and buy a club that is in the Championship with no prospect of promotion.Bulls should be forcibly relegated after the next 4 games but of course they won't as SL and the RFL are bent to the core.Hope Bulls survive but not as an SL club as they gave up all right to being in SL with the farce of the last few months.
precisely:the golden key to unlock this unholy mess is held by the SL.

Could it be the one and only MARL LAWN: it would give him another platform to berate supporters!!
MARL Lawn? who he? :)
see my follow up note on the original thread which corrected this typo
[quote][p][bold]BigFigure[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]tyker2[/bold] wrote: as predicted by me yesterday as follows: :yker2 says... 4:25pm Wed 8 Aug 12 Reality50 wrote: The fact is no one is going to make a big offer unless SL membership is guaranteed.Anyone would be crazy to invest and buy a club that is in the Championship with no prospect of promotion.Bulls should be forcibly relegated after the next 4 games but of course they won't as SL and the RFL are bent to the core.Hope Bulls survive but not as an SL club as they gave up all right to being in SL with the farce of the last few months. precisely:the golden key to unlock this unholy mess is held by the SL. Could it be the one and only MARL LAWN: it would give him another platform to berate supporters!![/p][/quote]MARL Lawn? who he? :)[/p][/quote]see my follow up note on the original thread which corrected this typo tyker2
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12:14pm Thu 9 Aug 12

LuvFootball says...

Thee Voice of Reason wrote:
Prisoner Cell Block A wrote:
You don't get to vote, why should you, your pots are broke, when people pee it runs all over the floor. Businessmen are trying to buy a business, they now do not care what you think, what you want. They will either buy and save the business, hopefully taking it on from there and strengthening it or it will be rejected again. At no point during any of this will you or any other Bulls/City fan get a say. Accept the morsels of food thrown your way as beggars do.
I read this and had to laugh.

http://forums.rlfans

.com/viewtopic.php?f

=19&t=534354&amp
;tsmp=13
44509774

The stubborness of some is laughable. They would rather give away their SL status so they don't have to travel a mile or so more to watch the team they support.
They make me laugh voice of reason people like that. If they are that dead set against it they should sell their homes and buy the club themselves and then pay the rent for Odsal, they should do something proactive instead of moaning. Best example is Wimbledon, I will never go to Stadium Mk because they raped, pillaged a club and moved it elsewhere. Instead of moaning on all boards about it, I just choose to never support such business dealings.

Man U supporters creating their own club in retaliation to the current Man U board.

Supporters would sooner cut their noses off to spite their faces, some would sooner see 2nd, 3rd, 4th tier rugby at Odsal than 1 tier rugby at VP. Strange, but some people are very petty in what their priorities are in life.
[quote][p][bold]Thee Voice of Reason[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Prisoner Cell Block A[/bold] wrote: You don't get to vote, why should you, your pots are broke, when people pee it runs all over the floor. Businessmen are trying to buy a business, they now do not care what you think, what you want. They will either buy and save the business, hopefully taking it on from there and strengthening it or it will be rejected again. At no point during any of this will you or any other Bulls/City fan get a say. Accept the morsels of food thrown your way as beggars do.[/p][/quote]I read this and had to laugh. http://forums.rlfans .com/viewtopic.php?f =19&t=534354& ;tsmp=13 44509774 The stubborness of some is laughable. They would rather give away their SL status so they don't have to travel a mile or so more to watch the team they support.[/p][/quote]They make me laugh voice of reason people like that. If they are that dead set against it they should sell their homes and buy the club themselves and then pay the rent for Odsal, they should do something proactive instead of moaning. Best example is Wimbledon, I will never go to Stadium Mk because they raped, pillaged a club and moved it elsewhere. Instead of moaning on all boards about it, I just choose to never support such business dealings. Man U supporters creating their own club in retaliation to the current Man U board. Supporters would sooner cut their noses off to spite their faces, some would sooner see 2nd, 3rd, 4th tier rugby at Odsal than 1 tier rugby at VP. Strange, but some people are very petty in what their priorities are in life. LuvFootball
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12:16pm Thu 9 Aug 12

Shelfrhino says...

This seems to make perfect sense, why have two separate grounds when it would make much more sense to keep both steaming piles of s**t in one place.

I'm Brian and so's my wife,
Make odslum the Etihad of Yorkshire? Really, you can't be serious?
This seems to make perfect sense, why have two separate grounds when it would make much more sense to keep both steaming piles of s**t in one place. I'm Brian and so's my wife, Make odslum the Etihad of Yorkshire? Really, you can't be serious? Shelfrhino
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12:18pm Thu 9 Aug 12

parader no1 says...

Ground share is and has been for years the logical outcome, but where ? VP can never be bought back because of animosity between Messer Gibbs and Rhodes and how much would it take to update Odsal to FL standards, that is probably more of an issue, is there enough money available.
Ground share is and has been for years the logical outcome, but where ? VP can never be bought back because of animosity between Messer Gibbs and Rhodes and how much would it take to update Odsal to FL standards, that is probably more of an issue, is there enough money available. parader no1
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12:24pm Thu 9 Aug 12

_Size3_ says...

I find it crazy how fans, when still faced with possible extinction as they know it, are negotiating and arguing about where they should be located.

If a deal goes through...just be glad you have a club eh!
I find it crazy how fans, when still faced with possible extinction as they know it, are negotiating and arguing about where they should be located. If a deal goes through...just be glad you have a club eh! _Size3_
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12:24pm Thu 9 Aug 12

bartsbull says...

First this could be good news for both sets of fans and Odsal and Bradford City could be used for development

There is a very lage plot of land at the side of the new M& S where a new stadium for both clubs could be built.

Which will benefit both clubs for them to improve the facilities so everyone wins all round.

The council get the ground required for development and housing and the clubs get a new stadium just a thought
First this could be good news for both sets of fans and Odsal and Bradford City could be used for development There is a very lage plot of land at the side of the new M& S where a new stadium for both clubs could be built. Which will benefit both clubs for them to improve the facilities so everyone wins all round. The council get the ground required for development and housing and the clubs get a new stadium just a thought bartsbull
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12:26pm Thu 9 Aug 12

_Size3_ says...

just looked at that article and people are questioning if the Bulls can afford to survive in the Championship........
..you are CURRENTLY in administration.....y
ou can't afford to survive in the Superleague!!! hahaha.
just looked at that article and people are questioning if the Bulls can afford to survive in the Championship........ ..you are CURRENTLY in administration.....y ou can't afford to survive in the Superleague!!! hahaha. _Size3_
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12:27pm Thu 9 Aug 12

Bone_idle18 says...

Thee Voice of Reason wrote:
Prisoner Cell Block A wrote: You don't get to vote, why should you, your pots are broke, when people pee it runs all over the floor. Businessmen are trying to buy a business, they now do not care what you think, what you want. They will either buy and save the business, hopefully taking it on from there and strengthening it or it will be rejected again. At no point during any of this will you or any other Bulls/City fan get a say. Accept the morsels of food thrown your way as beggars do.
I read this and had to laugh. http://forums.rlfans .com/viewtopic.php?f =19&t=534354&amp
;tsmp=13 44509774 The stubborness of some is laughable. They would rather give away their SL status so they don't have to travel a mile or so more to watch the team they support.
Thread does not exist. Maybe it's been deleted as it doesn't represent the views of most fans (whatever it said).
.
I hope you don't think that becuse a couple of fans say stupid stuff, it represents the whole of the bulls fan base?
.
If a plan can be formulated to get BCFC back up to where they deserve and keep the Bulls in SL, then I'm happy with that. I'm also happy to move to VP if that's what it takes.
.
Joint season ticket options would help both clubs too, the possibilities are endless.
.
Lets ignore the Leeds Troll, who's soccer club is stagnating and RL club is on the slide!
[quote][p][bold]Thee Voice of Reason[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Prisoner Cell Block A[/bold] wrote: You don't get to vote, why should you, your pots are broke, when people pee it runs all over the floor. Businessmen are trying to buy a business, they now do not care what you think, what you want. They will either buy and save the business, hopefully taking it on from there and strengthening it or it will be rejected again. At no point during any of this will you or any other Bulls/City fan get a say. Accept the morsels of food thrown your way as beggars do.[/p][/quote]I read this and had to laugh. http://forums.rlfans .com/viewtopic.php?f =19&t=534354& ;tsmp=13 44509774 The stubborness of some is laughable. They would rather give away their SL status so they don't have to travel a mile or so more to watch the team they support.[/p][/quote]Thread does not exist. Maybe it's been deleted as it doesn't represent the views of most fans (whatever it said). . I hope you don't think that becuse a couple of fans say stupid stuff, it represents the whole of the bulls fan base? . If a plan can be formulated to get BCFC back up to where they deserve and keep the Bulls in SL, then I'm happy with that. I'm also happy to move to VP if that's what it takes. . Joint season ticket options would help both clubs too, the possibilities are endless. . Lets ignore the Leeds Troll, who's soccer club is stagnating and RL club is on the slide! Bone_idle18
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12:33pm Thu 9 Aug 12

Thee Voice of Reason says...

Bone_idle18 wrote:
Thee Voice of Reason wrote:
Prisoner Cell Block A wrote: You don't get to vote, why should you, your pots are broke, when people pee it runs all over the floor. Businessmen are trying to buy a business, they now do not care what you think, what you want. They will either buy and save the business, hopefully taking it on from there and strengthening it or it will be rejected again. At no point during any of this will you or any other Bulls/City fan get a say. Accept the morsels of food thrown your way as beggars do.
I read this and had to laugh. http://forums.rlfans .com/viewtopic.php?f =19&t=534354&amp
; ;tsmp=13 44509774 The stubborness of some is laughable. They would rather give away their SL status so they don't have to travel a mile or so more to watch the team they support.
Thread does not exist. Maybe it's been deleted as it doesn't represent the views of most fans (whatever it said). . I hope you don't think that becuse a couple of fans say stupid stuff, it represents the whole of the bulls fan base? . If a plan can be formulated to get BCFC back up to where they deserve and keep the Bulls in SL, then I'm happy with that. I'm also happy to move to VP if that's what it takes. . Joint season ticket options would help both clubs too, the possibilities are endless. . Lets ignore the Leeds Troll, who's soccer club is stagnating and RL club is on the slide!
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[quote][p][bold]Bone_idle18[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Thee Voice of Reason[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Prisoner Cell Block A[/bold] wrote: You don't get to vote, why should you, your pots are broke, when people pee it runs all over the floor. Businessmen are trying to buy a business, they now do not care what you think, what you want. They will either buy and save the business, hopefully taking it on from there and strengthening it or it will be rejected again. At no point during any of this will you or any other Bulls/City fan get a say. Accept the morsels of food thrown your way as beggars do.[/p][/quote]I read this and had to laugh. http://forums.rlfans .com/viewtopic.php?f =19&t=534354& ; ;tsmp=13 44509774 The stubborness of some is laughable. They would rather give away their SL status so they don't have to travel a mile or so more to watch the team they support.[/p][/quote]Thread does not exist. Maybe it's been deleted as it doesn't represent the views of most fans (whatever it said). . I hope you don't think that becuse a couple of fans say stupid stuff, it represents the whole of the bulls fan base? . If a plan can be formulated to get BCFC back up to where they deserve and keep the Bulls in SL, then I'm happy with that. I'm also happy to move to VP if that's what it takes. . Joint season ticket options would help both clubs too, the possibilities are endless. . Lets ignore the Leeds Troll, who's soccer club is stagnating and RL club is on the slide![/p][/quote]See if this works. http://forums.rlfans .com/viewtopic.php?f =19&t=534354&tsmp=13 44511959 It appears the forum might put additional spaces in whilst copying it across. Thee Voice of Reason
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12:34pm Thu 9 Aug 12

_Size3_ says...

Bone_idle18 wrote:
Thee Voice of Reason wrote:
Prisoner Cell Block A wrote: You don't get to vote, why should you, your pots are broke, when people pee it runs all over the floor. Businessmen are trying to buy a business, they now do not care what you think, what you want. They will either buy and save the business, hopefully taking it on from there and strengthening it or it will be rejected again. At no point during any of this will you or any other Bulls/City fan get a say. Accept the morsels of food thrown your way as beggars do.
I read this and had to laugh. http://forums.rlfans .com/viewtopic.php?f =19&t=534354&amp
; ;tsmp=13 44509774 The stubborness of some is laughable. They would rather give away their SL status so they don't have to travel a mile or so more to watch the team they support.
Thread does not exist. Maybe it's been deleted as it doesn't represent the views of most fans (whatever it said). . I hope you don't think that becuse a couple of fans say stupid stuff, it represents the whole of the bulls fan base? . If a plan can be formulated to get BCFC back up to where they deserve and keep the Bulls in SL, then I'm happy with that. I'm also happy to move to VP if that's what it takes. . Joint season ticket options would help both clubs too, the possibilities are endless. . Lets ignore the Leeds Troll, who's soccer club is stagnating and RL club is on the slide!
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[quote][p][bold]Bone_idle18[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Thee Voice of Reason[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Prisoner Cell Block A[/bold] wrote: You don't get to vote, why should you, your pots are broke, when people pee it runs all over the floor. Businessmen are trying to buy a business, they now do not care what you think, what you want. They will either buy and save the business, hopefully taking it on from there and strengthening it or it will be rejected again. At no point during any of this will you or any other Bulls/City fan get a say. Accept the morsels of food thrown your way as beggars do.[/p][/quote]I read this and had to laugh. http://forums.rlfans .com/viewtopic.php?f =19&t=534354& ; ;tsmp=13 44509774 The stubborness of some is laughable. They would rather give away their SL status so they don't have to travel a mile or so more to watch the team they support.[/p][/quote]Thread does not exist. Maybe it's been deleted as it doesn't represent the views of most fans (whatever it said). . I hope you don't think that becuse a couple of fans say stupid stuff, it represents the whole of the bulls fan base? . If a plan can be formulated to get BCFC back up to where they deserve and keep the Bulls in SL, then I'm happy with that. I'm also happy to move to VP if that's what it takes. . Joint season ticket options would help both clubs too, the possibilities are endless. . Lets ignore the Leeds Troll, who's soccer club is stagnating and RL club is on the slide![/p][/quote]Try http://forums.rlfans .com/viewtopic.php?t smp=1344511416&f=19& t=534354&sid=bc40c21 dc1ce8d633478df0205b a9e8a&start=10 _Size3_
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12:35pm Thu 9 Aug 12

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12:37pm Thu 9 Aug 12

nosher says...

scandanavian's love child52 wrote:
The predicted VP move comes ever closer followed by the "I cant leave my car there " moaners.
you could leave your scooby do wagon anywhere lol Apart from the cat lol
[quote][p][bold]scandanavian's love child52[/bold] wrote: The predicted VP move comes ever closer followed by the "I cant leave my car there " moaners.[/p][/quote]you could leave your scooby do wagon anywhere lol Apart from the cat lol nosher
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12:37pm Thu 9 Aug 12

Shelfrhino says...

Bone_idle18 wrote:
Thee Voice of Reason wrote:
Prisoner Cell Block A wrote: You don't get to vote, why should you, your pots are broke, when people pee it runs all over the floor. Businessmen are trying to buy a business, they now do not care what you think, what you want. They will either buy and save the business, hopefully taking it on from there and strengthening it or it will be rejected again. At no point during any of this will you or any other Bulls/City fan get a say. Accept the morsels of food thrown your way as beggars do.
I read this and had to laugh. http://forums.rlfans .com/viewtopic.php?f =19&t=534354&amp
; ;tsmp=13 44509774 The stubborness of some is laughable. They would rather give away their SL status so they don't have to travel a mile or so more to watch the team they support.
Thread does not exist. Maybe it's been deleted as it doesn't represent the views of most fans (whatever it said). . I hope you don't think that becuse a couple of fans say stupid stuff, it represents the whole of the bulls fan base? . If a plan can be formulated to get BCFC back up to where they deserve and keep the Bulls in SL, then I'm happy with that. I'm also happy to move to VP if that's what it takes. . Joint season ticket options would help both clubs too, the possibilities are endless. . Lets ignore the Leeds Troll, who's soccer club is stagnating and RL club is on the slide!
Ironic much?
[quote][p][bold]Bone_idle18[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Thee Voice of Reason[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Prisoner Cell Block A[/bold] wrote: You don't get to vote, why should you, your pots are broke, when people pee it runs all over the floor. Businessmen are trying to buy a business, they now do not care what you think, what you want. They will either buy and save the business, hopefully taking it on from there and strengthening it or it will be rejected again. At no point during any of this will you or any other Bulls/City fan get a say. Accept the morsels of food thrown your way as beggars do.[/p][/quote]I read this and had to laugh. http://forums.rlfans .com/viewtopic.php?f =19&t=534354& ; ;tsmp=13 44509774 The stubborness of some is laughable. They would rather give away their SL status so they don't have to travel a mile or so more to watch the team they support.[/p][/quote]Thread does not exist. Maybe it's been deleted as it doesn't represent the views of most fans (whatever it said). . I hope you don't think that becuse a couple of fans say stupid stuff, it represents the whole of the bulls fan base? . If a plan can be formulated to get BCFC back up to where they deserve and keep the Bulls in SL, then I'm happy with that. I'm also happy to move to VP if that's what it takes. . Joint season ticket options would help both clubs too, the possibilities are endless. . Lets ignore the Leeds Troll, who's soccer club is stagnating and RL club is on the slide![/p][/quote]Ironic much? Shelfrhino
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12:37pm Thu 9 Aug 12

Prisoner Cell Block A says...

I'd be unimpressed if we had to play at Odsal but as we have had that forced on us, and received with thanks for the use, once over I would still go watch there if it meant continuation of my club, better than nomadic or non-existent every time.

What amuses me whenever these arguments crop up is that the proximity to the motorway is always mentioned. Now I would have thought a small percentage of home fans from both clubs would have travelled to either ground via the motorway and away fans would not care one little bit about travelling a further two miles, if they arrive by car, from the top of the 606 to Manningham as they have already come much further anyway.

Also, the two train stations are bang in the middle of town and closer to VP than Odsal, as is the main bus station. It has always seemed a red herring argument to my mind.
I'd be unimpressed if we had to play at Odsal but as we have had that forced on us, and received with thanks for the use, once over I would still go watch there if it meant continuation of my club, better than nomadic or non-existent every time. What amuses me whenever these arguments crop up is that the proximity to the motorway is always mentioned. Now I would have thought a small percentage of home fans from both clubs would have travelled to either ground via the motorway and away fans would not care one little bit about travelling a further two miles, if they arrive by car, from the top of the 606 to Manningham as they have already come much further anyway. Also, the two train stations are bang in the middle of town and closer to VP than Odsal, as is the main bus station. It has always seemed a red herring argument to my mind. Prisoner Cell Block A
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12:40pm Thu 9 Aug 12

flashdonut says...

Bacon Bantam wrote:
flashdonut wrote:
ricky76 wrote:
raisemeup wrote:
ricky76 wrote:
flashdonut wrote: Bulls fan here. My honest opinion is it is about time. Share resources, share staff, share facilities. The best way forward. One clb doctor, one physion, one groundsamn. A few people will lose their job, that is a shame. But times are hard. People are out of work all over. The clubs should 'merge' and reduce overheads. Hull FC & Hull City share, as do Wigan's. Has to be done. . Question is, where? Bulls to VP? Best stadium without a doubt. Location is iffy, not for where it is but Odsal is bang next to motorway. But Odsal is a dump, no doubting. Most amateur clubs have better facilities.
A very sensible post although a city fan through and through I like to see the Bulls do well too and its about time the clubs maybe looked at about sharing.Osdal has a great history in terms of Rugby and not forgetting the likes of speedway however the place quite bluntly needs a heck of a load of redeveloping to anywhere near the standard required to suit both parties. Valley Parade has its own history of course but the main thing is its a ground that is modern and although many Bulls fans may say in a bad location it meets the standard for both clubs at this moment in time so if the bulls need to survive surely in the short term at least it makes sense to play at Valley Parade.
Another sensible post there. The best answer is always in the detail: Two scenario's both attractive. But in the long term, the best development is Odsal. The room for expansion and development is there. and in a way we have a blank canvas, so to speak. It will take time, but I am sure with the collective will of all parties, hopefully one day we will see the "sporting village" scene in Bradford. At least someone has the vision, lets hope the silly protectionalists., we encounter, don't hold the sway they think they do. Vision and progress is what we need, I think a big wadge of cash is also useful. Sadly that's a commodity everyone says they haven't got,even when they have. ie if you ever ask for investment the stock answer is: "The trouble, is there's no money?".
Like say short term VP has got to be the answer long term I can see a new ground being built away from existing stadium like Hull Wigan and Huddersfield have done.
Odsal has a clause I belive that no building work can be done till 2019. So, Bulls move to VP next season. They split the rent to Gibb. Then 2019, they build a new, 20 000 setaer stadium at Odsal. No more expensive VP debt. Fully designed to be able to extend. Designed around professional Football & Rugby. It gives Rhodes and whoever six years to draft a plan and seek investement. . A purpose bult stadium, with a hotel too. Maybe a new gym, even a training pitch. Less overheads going forward. The council will back the idea. . Just my thoughts, don't bother shooting me down. I could be way off.
No more expensive VP debt? So building a brand new 20k stadium is the cheaper option is it.

The council would be murdered for funding such a thing when cuts are being made across the board and with their track record who would trust them anyhow (remember the Wembley of the North?)
In the long term, yes.
[quote][p][bold]Bacon Bantam[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]flashdonut[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]ricky76[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]raisemeup[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]ricky76[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]flashdonut[/bold] wrote: Bulls fan here. My honest opinion is it is about time. Share resources, share staff, share facilities. The best way forward. One clb doctor, one physion, one groundsamn. A few people will lose their job, that is a shame. But times are hard. People are out of work all over. The clubs should 'merge' and reduce overheads. Hull FC & Hull City share, as do Wigan's. Has to be done. . Question is, where? Bulls to VP? Best stadium without a doubt. Location is iffy, not for where it is but Odsal is bang next to motorway. But Odsal is a dump, no doubting. Most amateur clubs have better facilities.[/p][/quote]A very sensible post although a city fan through and through I like to see the Bulls do well too and its about time the clubs maybe looked at about sharing.Osdal has a great history in terms of Rugby and not forgetting the likes of speedway however the place quite bluntly needs a heck of a load of redeveloping to anywhere near the standard required to suit both parties. Valley Parade has its own history of course but the main thing is its a ground that is modern and although many Bulls fans may say in a bad location it meets the standard for both clubs at this moment in time so if the bulls need to survive surely in the short term at least it makes sense to play at Valley Parade.[/p][/quote]Another sensible post there. The best answer is always in the detail: Two scenario's both attractive. But in the long term, the best development is Odsal. The room for expansion and development is there. and in a way we have a blank canvas, so to speak. It will take time, but I am sure with the collective will of all parties, hopefully one day we will see the "sporting village" scene in Bradford. At least someone has the vision, lets hope the silly protectionalists., we encounter, don't hold the sway they think they do. Vision and progress is what we need, I think a big wadge of cash is also useful. Sadly that's a commodity everyone says they haven't got,even when they have. ie if you ever ask for investment the stock answer is: "The trouble, is there's no money?".[/p][/quote]Like say short term VP has got to be the answer long term I can see a new ground being built away from existing stadium like Hull Wigan and Huddersfield have done.[/p][/quote]Odsal has a clause I belive that no building work can be done till 2019. So, Bulls move to VP next season. They split the rent to Gibb. Then 2019, they build a new, 20 000 setaer stadium at Odsal. No more expensive VP debt. Fully designed to be able to extend. Designed around professional Football & Rugby. It gives Rhodes and whoever six years to draft a plan and seek investement. . A purpose bult stadium, with a hotel too. Maybe a new gym, even a training pitch. Less overheads going forward. The council will back the idea. . Just my thoughts, don't bother shooting me down. I could be way off.[/p][/quote]No more expensive VP debt? So building a brand new 20k stadium is the cheaper option is it. The council would be murdered for funding such a thing when cuts are being made across the board and with their track record who would trust them anyhow (remember the Wembley of the North?)[/p][/quote]In the long term, yes. flashdonut
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12:40pm Thu 9 Aug 12

Thee Voice of Reason says...

bartsbull wrote:
First this could be good news for both sets of fans and Odsal and Bradford City could be used for development There is a very lage plot of land at the side of the new M& S where a new stadium for both clubs could be built. Which will benefit both clubs for them to improve the facilities so everyone wins all round. The council get the ground required for development and housing and the clubs get a new stadium just a thought
Where is the money coming from for your bright idea?

Gibb own's Valley Parade and the RFL own the Odsal lease so both clubs would get nothing if these places were sold for development.

With that in mind, who's funds are used to buy this land next to M&S and who foots the bill for a new stadium?
[quote][p][bold]bartsbull[/bold] wrote: First this could be good news for both sets of fans and Odsal and Bradford City could be used for development There is a very lage plot of land at the side of the new M& S where a new stadium for both clubs could be built. Which will benefit both clubs for them to improve the facilities so everyone wins all round. The council get the ground required for development and housing and the clubs get a new stadium just a thought[/p][/quote]Where is the money coming from for your bright idea? Gibb own's Valley Parade and the RFL own the Odsal lease so both clubs would get nothing if these places were sold for development. With that in mind, who's funds are used to buy this land next to M&S and who foots the bill for a new stadium? Thee Voice of Reason
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12:42pm Thu 9 Aug 12

Thee Voice of Reason says...

flashdonut wrote:
Bacon Bantam wrote:
flashdonut wrote:
ricky76 wrote:
raisemeup wrote:
ricky76 wrote:
flashdonut wrote: Bulls fan here. My honest opinion is it is about time. Share resources, share staff, share facilities. The best way forward. One clb doctor, one physion, one groundsamn. A few people will lose their job, that is a shame. But times are hard. People are out of work all over. The clubs should 'merge' and reduce overheads. Hull FC & Hull City share, as do Wigan's. Has to be done. . Question is, where? Bulls to VP? Best stadium without a doubt. Location is iffy, not for where it is but Odsal is bang next to motorway. But Odsal is a dump, no doubting. Most amateur clubs have better facilities.
A very sensible post although a city fan through and through I like to see the Bulls do well too and its about time the clubs maybe looked at about sharing.Osdal has a great history in terms of Rugby and not forgetting the likes of speedway however the place quite bluntly needs a heck of a load of redeveloping to anywhere near the standard required to suit both parties. Valley Parade has its own history of course but the main thing is its a ground that is modern and although many Bulls fans may say in a bad location it meets the standard for both clubs at this moment in time so if the bulls need to survive surely in the short term at least it makes sense to play at Valley Parade.
Another sensible post there. The best answer is always in the detail: Two scenario's both attractive. But in the long term, the best development is Odsal. The room for expansion and development is there. and in a way we have a blank canvas, so to speak. It will take time, but I am sure with the collective will of all parties, hopefully one day we will see the "sporting village" scene in Bradford. At least someone has the vision, lets hope the silly protectionalists., we encounter, don't hold the sway they think they do. Vision and progress is what we need, I think a big wadge of cash is also useful. Sadly that's a commodity everyone says they haven't got,even when they have. ie if you ever ask for investment the stock answer is: "The trouble, is there's no money?".
Like say short term VP has got to be the answer long term I can see a new ground being built away from existing stadium like Hull Wigan and Huddersfield have done.
Odsal has a clause I belive that no building work can be done till 2019. So, Bulls move to VP next season. They split the rent to Gibb. Then 2019, they build a new, 20 000 setaer stadium at Odsal. No more expensive VP debt. Fully designed to be able to extend. Designed around professional Football & Rugby. It gives Rhodes and whoever six years to draft a plan and seek investement. . A purpose bult stadium, with a hotel too. Maybe a new gym, even a training pitch. Less overheads going forward. The council will back the idea. . Just my thoughts, don't bother shooting me down. I could be way off.
No more expensive VP debt? So building a brand new 20k stadium is the cheaper option is it. The council would be murdered for funding such a thing when cuts are being made across the board and with their track record who would trust them anyhow (remember the Wembley of the North?)
In the long term, yes.
Whats the going rate for a 20k stadium in this day and age? £35m?

City could rent Valley Parade for 100 years for that outlay.
[quote][p][bold]flashdonut[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Bacon Bantam[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]flashdonut[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]ricky76[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]raisemeup[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]ricky76[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]flashdonut[/bold] wrote: Bulls fan here. My honest opinion is it is about time. Share resources, share staff, share facilities. The best way forward. One clb doctor, one physion, one groundsamn. A few people will lose their job, that is a shame. But times are hard. People are out of work all over. The clubs should 'merge' and reduce overheads. Hull FC & Hull City share, as do Wigan's. Has to be done. . Question is, where? Bulls to VP? Best stadium without a doubt. Location is iffy, not for where it is but Odsal is bang next to motorway. But Odsal is a dump, no doubting. Most amateur clubs have better facilities.[/p][/quote]A very sensible post although a city fan through and through I like to see the Bulls do well too and its about time the clubs maybe looked at about sharing.Osdal has a great history in terms of Rugby and not forgetting the likes of speedway however the place quite bluntly needs a heck of a load of redeveloping to anywhere near the standard required to suit both parties. Valley Parade has its own history of course but the main thing is its a ground that is modern and although many Bulls fans may say in a bad location it meets the standard for both clubs at this moment in time so if the bulls need to survive surely in the short term at least it makes sense to play at Valley Parade.[/p][/quote]Another sensible post there. The best answer is always in the detail: Two scenario's both attractive. But in the long term, the best development is Odsal. The room for expansion and development is there. and in a way we have a blank canvas, so to speak. It will take time, but I am sure with the collective will of all parties, hopefully one day we will see the "sporting village" scene in Bradford. At least someone has the vision, lets hope the silly protectionalists., we encounter, don't hold the sway they think they do. Vision and progress is what we need, I think a big wadge of cash is also useful. Sadly that's a commodity everyone says they haven't got,even when they have. ie if you ever ask for investment the stock answer is: "The trouble, is there's no money?".[/p][/quote]Like say short term VP has got to be the answer long term I can see a new ground being built away from existing stadium like Hull Wigan and Huddersfield have done.[/p][/quote]Odsal has a clause I belive that no building work can be done till 2019. So, Bulls move to VP next season. They split the rent to Gibb. Then 2019, they build a new, 20 000 setaer stadium at Odsal. No more expensive VP debt. Fully designed to be able to extend. Designed around professional Football & Rugby. It gives Rhodes and whoever six years to draft a plan and seek investement. . A purpose bult stadium, with a hotel too. Maybe a new gym, even a training pitch. Less overheads going forward. The council will back the idea. . Just my thoughts, don't bother shooting me down. I could be way off.[/p][/quote]No more expensive VP debt? So building a brand new 20k stadium is the cheaper option is it. The council would be murdered for funding such a thing when cuts are being made across the board and with their track record who would trust them anyhow (remember the Wembley of the North?)[/p][/quote]In the long term, yes.[/p][/quote]Whats the going rate for a 20k stadium in this day and age? £35m? City could rent Valley Parade for 100 years for that outlay. Thee Voice of Reason
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12:53pm Thu 9 Aug 12

Mumby was the best says...

Shelfrhino wrote:
This seems to make perfect sense, why have two separate grounds when it would make much more sense to keep both steaming piles of s**t in one place.

I'm Brian and so's my wife,
Make odslum the Etihad of Yorkshire? Really, you can't be serious?
Now now Tim but Dim my Sweety you should not be so nasty, the last time I had to point things out you ended up blubbing over your keyboard!! denying you were gay (LOL) how you had driven many miles and were oh so tired and put your foot in your mouth. I owned you then and still do, so be a nice boy and keep to the point and not come out with bitchy things.You are a one really ****
[quote][p][bold]Shelfrhino[/bold] wrote: This seems to make perfect sense, why have two separate grounds when it would make much more sense to keep both steaming piles of s**t in one place. I'm Brian and so's my wife, Make odslum the Etihad of Yorkshire? Really, you can't be serious?[/p][/quote]Now now Tim but Dim my Sweety you should not be so nasty, the last time I had to point things out you ended up blubbing over your keyboard!! denying you were gay (LOL) how you had driven many miles and were oh so tired and put your foot in your mouth. I owned you then and still do, so be a nice boy and keep to the point and not come out with bitchy things.You are a one really **** Mumby was the best
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12:55pm Thu 9 Aug 12

bettyswollocks says...

The more I've thought about this today, the more I've come to the conclusion that this is one of the most hair-brained ideas I've heard.

There is no way in the world this could ever work unless they plan on running them as they are now, two completely separate entities.

I'm a City fan of 30 years and twice I've seen my club almost cease to exist. The bulls or whatever they were then couldn't care less.

City now seem to have a level footing financially, mainly thanks to the funding and financing from the Rhodes family and Mark Lawn. I cannot believe they would put this at risk by taking on the bulls.

As far as rugby is concerned it's anybody but the bulls for me. Any joining with them would make it difficult to keep supporting City to the extent that I do. I'm not the only one that feels this way and I'm sure there are a lot of bulls fans that feel similar about us.
The more I've thought about this today, the more I've come to the conclusion that this is one of the most hair-brained ideas I've heard. There is no way in the world this could ever work unless they plan on running them as they are now, two completely separate entities. I'm a City fan of 30 years and twice I've seen my club almost cease to exist. The bulls or whatever they were then couldn't care less. City now seem to have a level footing financially, mainly thanks to the funding and financing from the Rhodes family and Mark Lawn. I cannot believe they would put this at risk by taking on the bulls. As far as rugby is concerned it's anybody but the bulls for me. Any joining with them would make it difficult to keep supporting City to the extent that I do. I'm not the only one that feels this way and I'm sure there are a lot of bulls fans that feel similar about us. bettyswollocks
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1:00pm Thu 9 Aug 12

Mumby was the best says...

Hi Betty you say "As far as rugby is concerned it's anybody but the bulls for me. Any joining with them would make it difficult to keep supporting City to the extent that I do. I'm not the only one that feels this way and I'm sure there are a lot of bulls fans that feel similar about us."
Can I ask why you feel that way?
You say lots of fans feel that way, I`ve never found that, I`m not denying there aren`t any but I`m sure not that many. What have the Bulls done wrong to you personally to have so much venom?
Hi Betty you say "As far as rugby is concerned it's anybody but the bulls for me. Any joining with them would make it difficult to keep supporting City to the extent that I do. I'm not the only one that feels this way and I'm sure there are a lot of bulls fans that feel similar about us." Can I ask why you feel that way? You say lots of fans feel that way, I`ve never found that, I`m not denying there aren`t any but I`m sure not that many. What have the Bulls done wrong to you personally to have so much venom? Mumby was the best
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1:03pm Thu 9 Aug 12

yorkshiredude says...

bettyswollocks wrote:
The more I've thought about this today, the more I've come to the conclusion that this is one of the most hair-brained ideas I've heard.

There is no way in the world this could ever work unless they plan on running them as they are now, two completely separate entities.

I'm a City fan of 30 years and twice I've seen my club almost cease to exist. The bulls or whatever they were then couldn't care less.

City now seem to have a level footing financially, mainly thanks to the funding and financing from the Rhodes family and Mark Lawn. I cannot believe they would put this at risk by taking on the bulls.

As far as rugby is concerned it's anybody but the bulls for me. Any joining with them would make it difficult to keep supporting City to the extent that I do. I'm not the only one that feels this way and I'm sure there are a lot of bulls fans that feel similar about us.
Is it any wonder some Bulls fans might feel that way reading utter drivel like that?

Have a word with yourself!
[quote][p][bold]bettyswollocks[/bold] wrote: The more I've thought about this today, the more I've come to the conclusion that this is one of the most hair-brained ideas I've heard. There is no way in the world this could ever work unless they plan on running them as they are now, two completely separate entities. I'm a City fan of 30 years and twice I've seen my club almost cease to exist. The bulls or whatever they were then couldn't care less. City now seem to have a level footing financially, mainly thanks to the funding and financing from the Rhodes family and Mark Lawn. I cannot believe they would put this at risk by taking on the bulls. As far as rugby is concerned it's anybody but the bulls for me. Any joining with them would make it difficult to keep supporting City to the extent that I do. I'm not the only one that feels this way and I'm sure there are a lot of bulls fans that feel similar about us.[/p][/quote]Is it any wonder some Bulls fans might feel that way reading utter drivel like that? Have a word with yourself! yorkshiredude
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1:05pm Thu 9 Aug 12

jamie2012 says...

As Long as bulls get saved i dont give a s**t what happens!!!!!!!!!!!! Simple as that
As Long as bulls get saved i dont give a s**t what happens!!!!!!!!!!!! Simple as that jamie2012
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1:10pm Thu 9 Aug 12

LuvFootball says...

Debate on each other's grounds.

Be grateful there is a possible outcome and there are 2 great stadiums in Bradford.

Be grateful that the Bulls have been there for City and City have been there for the Bulls.

City played at Odsal after the fire and the Bulls played 2 seasons at VP not so long since due to work to be done on Odsal.

I still saw some very good rugby at VP and enjoyed being closer to the action. The pitch is large enough, the facilities are good enough.

Odsal does meet football league standard, but only up to the 3rd division. Above that the ground would have to be an all seater.
Debate on each other's grounds. Be grateful there is a possible outcome and there are 2 great stadiums in Bradford. Be grateful that the Bulls have been there for City and City have been there for the Bulls. City played at Odsal after the fire and the Bulls played 2 seasons at VP not so long since due to work to be done on Odsal. I still saw some very good rugby at VP and enjoyed being closer to the action. The pitch is large enough, the facilities are good enough. Odsal does meet football league standard, but only up to the 3rd division. Above that the ground would have to be an all seater. LuvFootball
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1:11pm Thu 9 Aug 12

Mumby was the best says...

Prisoner Cell Block A wrote:
I'd be unimpressed if we had to play at Odsal but as we have had that forced on us, and received with thanks for the use, once over I would still go watch there if it meant continuation of my club, better than nomadic or non-existent every time.

What amuses me whenever these arguments crop up is that the proximity to the motorway is always mentioned. Now I would have thought a small percentage of home fans from both clubs would have travelled to either ground via the motorway and away fans would not care one little bit about travelling a further two miles, if they arrive by car, from the top of the 606 to Manningham as they have already come much further anyway.

Also, the two train stations are bang in the middle of town and closer to VP than Odsal, as is the main bus station. It has always seemed a red herring argument to my mind.
Your right. Its the heritage thing that makes fans want to remain at their ground. But heyho things move on.
[quote][p][bold]Prisoner Cell Block A[/bold] wrote: I'd be unimpressed if we had to play at Odsal but as we have had that forced on us, and received with thanks for the use, once over I would still go watch there if it meant continuation of my club, better than nomadic or non-existent every time. What amuses me whenever these arguments crop up is that the proximity to the motorway is always mentioned. Now I would have thought a small percentage of home fans from both clubs would have travelled to either ground via the motorway and away fans would not care one little bit about travelling a further two miles, if they arrive by car, from the top of the 606 to Manningham as they have already come much further anyway. Also, the two train stations are bang in the middle of town and closer to VP than Odsal, as is the main bus station. It has always seemed a red herring argument to my mind.[/p][/quote]Your right. Its the heritage thing that makes fans want to remain at their ground. But heyho things move on. Mumby was the best
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1:15pm Thu 9 Aug 12

modman61 says...

If the Bulls are saved then that has got to be a result.
If the Bulls are saved then that has got to be a result. modman61
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1:23pm Thu 9 Aug 12

Cityman23 says...

"HAPPY VALLEY-EXCESS ALL AREAS"

'JOOLS & LAWNEE'

PART 3

Summary: Lawnee called Simon Parker to invite him to 'VP' to make a statement re: his (L's) annoyancewith fans not 'satisfied wth new players brought to 'VP.' Exasperated (for the 101st time!!) Jools 'disappeared' very quickly out of 'VP'at the same time to avoid the 'usual' comments 'made in haste/regretted at leisure' of his co-chair!!

But where did Jools go?
Was it something like this?


Jools: (on mobile) Yes, it's me..yes..yes..I told you I wasn't joking...yes...no...
..yes...I'm SERIOUS!! I'm absolutely serious...a definte bid?...YES....look, there's only ONE condition....no..no.
..yes...I repeat..Mark Lawn...to be made CHAIR of the Bulls !!! Honestly, there's no other condition...I just can't stand it...any more. And yes, he MUST have an office away from 'VP' ...relinguish his connection with The Bantams....yes...yes
...I'll be more than glad to do it...just make sure he's got plenty to do...AWAY from Bradford City!! But..please...NEVER REVEAL MY REASONS...just say...we're keen to save another another Bradford Institution. Yes..yes..IT'LL BE MONEY..WEL SPENT!!!
"HAPPY VALLEY-EXCESS ALL AREAS" 'JOOLS & LAWNEE' PART 3 Summary: Lawnee called Simon Parker to invite him to 'VP' to make a statement re: his (L's) annoyancewith fans not 'satisfied wth new players brought to 'VP.' Exasperated (for the 101st time!!) Jools 'disappeared' very quickly out of 'VP'at the same time to avoid the 'usual' comments 'made in haste/regretted at leisure' of his co-chair!! But where did Jools go? Was it something like this? Jools: (on mobile) Yes, it's me..yes..yes..I told you I wasn't joking...yes...no... ..yes...I'm SERIOUS!! I'm absolutely serious...a definte bid?...YES....look, there's only ONE condition....no..no. ..yes...I repeat..Mark Lawn...to be made CHAIR of the Bulls !!! Honestly, there's no other condition...I just can't stand it...any more. And yes, he MUST have an office away from 'VP' ...relinguish his connection with The Bantams....yes...yes ...I'll be more than glad to do it...just make sure he's got plenty to do...AWAY from Bradford City!! But..please...NEVER REVEAL MY REASONS...just say...we're keen to save another another Bradford Institution. Yes..yes..IT'LL BE MONEY..WEL SPENT!!! Cityman23
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1:26pm Thu 9 Aug 12

Reality50 says...

I predict Odsal will be sold and Bulls will play in SL at VP from next season.There is no way on earth City will leave a top class stadia like VP for a hovel like Odsal and to be honest I doubt Odsal in it's current state with it's banks of terracing would pass Football League ground safety requirements anyway.The RFL will flog Odsal for a tidy sum and the racist Bulls fans can make a regular jaunt to VP.That is how the circus will end although if I had my way the Bulls would play Championship RL at VP but that won't happen.Odsal is outdated and it would cost 20 million minimum to make it a modern stadia.The money isn't there so VP it is.....
I predict Odsal will be sold and Bulls will play in SL at VP from next season.There is no way on earth City will leave a top class stadia like VP for a hovel like Odsal and to be honest I doubt Odsal in it's current state with it's banks of terracing would pass Football League ground safety requirements anyway.The RFL will flog Odsal for a tidy sum and the racist Bulls fans can make a regular jaunt to VP.That is how the circus will end although if I had my way the Bulls would play Championship RL at VP but that won't happen.Odsal is outdated and it would cost 20 million minimum to make it a modern stadia.The money isn't there so VP it is..... Reality50
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1:27pm Thu 9 Aug 12

bobby98007 says...

tyker2 wrote:
Thee Voice of Reason wrote:
As far as I'm aware, Rhodes is a guarantor on the Valley Parade lease and the lease could only be broken if the club was placed into administation.

Odsal is not up to football league standard in various ways.

These two points alone suggest that City won't be moving to Odsal any time soon.

For the Bulls they have already played at Valley Parade and although the pitch size can be questioned there is no reason why the front 5 rows of the kop couldn't be removed to extend the pitch is there? They are covered up at games anyhow and attendances don't appear to require them.

The RFL though could and probably will stop any move as terms of current lease. With BCFC offering the Bulls another place to go maybe that will weaken the stance on the RFL to try keep hold of the lease and therefore suggest a buyback clause which hasn't been availible as yet.

So now we have a bid where the Bulls will repay all creditors which the RFL have suggested would allow them to keep their SL licence and also allow for the buy back of the Odsal lease as the RFL could see the Bulls uping sticks and moving down to Valley Parade.

If this is the case, BCFC could simply then sell on the club afterward to the ABC group who were wanting these conditions.

Talk about that for adding 2+2 together to get 1495.
don't follow your logic here fella. A guarantor protects the lender from an administration/liqui

daton. That is why when lending to a limited liability company or entering onto a lease with such a personal guarantee is given to the landlord by an individual in the event the company cannot pay.

So if City decide to go into administration ( irrespective of points deductions etc and possibly more) then the guarantor has to pay that which he has guaranteed to be paid. A similar situation arises if City decide to up sticks and move elsewhere. That rent would still have to be paid the tenant or the guarantor.

So the various lease have to be sorted out one way or another. One way is to buy the lease out but the directors of city have previously stated that they cannot afford that option!!

Severe financial problems exist on the grounds before a decision is made as to which venue is used.
Ive not read every single post on here, so ill make this point and hope im not covering old ground.

City cannot move away from VP without going into administration and leaving with a CVA.

Bulls have an agreement with the RFL that they will play rugby @ Odsal.

Arent Bulls already in administration? Therefore the RFL contract can be broken and Bulls moved to VP relativley cheaply (2 pence in the £ seems like the going rate) under a CVA?
[quote][p][bold]tyker2[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Thee Voice of Reason[/bold] wrote: As far as I'm aware, Rhodes is a guarantor on the Valley Parade lease and the lease could only be broken if the club was placed into administation. Odsal is not up to football league standard in various ways. These two points alone suggest that City won't be moving to Odsal any time soon. For the Bulls they have already played at Valley Parade and although the pitch size can be questioned there is no reason why the front 5 rows of the kop couldn't be removed to extend the pitch is there? They are covered up at games anyhow and attendances don't appear to require them. The RFL though could and probably will stop any move as terms of current lease. With BCFC offering the Bulls another place to go maybe that will weaken the stance on the RFL to try keep hold of the lease and therefore suggest a buyback clause which hasn't been availible as yet. So now we have a bid where the Bulls will repay all creditors which the RFL have suggested would allow them to keep their SL licence and also allow for the buy back of the Odsal lease as the RFL could see the Bulls uping sticks and moving down to Valley Parade. If this is the case, BCFC could simply then sell on the club afterward to the ABC group who were wanting these conditions. Talk about that for adding 2+2 together to get 1495.[/p][/quote]don't follow your logic here fella. A guarantor protects the lender from an administration/liqui daton. That is why when lending to a limited liability company or entering onto a lease with such a personal guarantee is given to the landlord by an individual in the event the company cannot pay. So if City decide to go into administration ( irrespective of points deductions etc and possibly more) then the guarantor has to pay that which he has guaranteed to be paid. A similar situation arises if City decide to up sticks and move elsewhere. That rent would still have to be paid the tenant or the guarantor. So the various lease have to be sorted out one way or another. One way is to buy the lease out but the directors of city have previously stated that they cannot afford that option!! Severe financial problems exist on the grounds before a decision is made as to which venue is used.[/p][/quote]Ive not read every single post on here, so ill make this point and hope im not covering old ground. City cannot move away from VP without going into administration and leaving with a CVA. Bulls have an agreement with the RFL that they will play rugby @ Odsal. Arent Bulls already in administration? Therefore the RFL contract can be broken and Bulls moved to VP relativley cheaply (2 pence in the £ seems like the going rate) under a CVA? bobby98007
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1:33pm Thu 9 Aug 12

Reality50 says...

Wigan and Huddersfield both share successfully with their football clubs and have done over a decade as have Hull and Hull City FC.This will be the best way forward.
Wigan and Huddersfield both share successfully with their football clubs and have done over a decade as have Hull and Hull City FC.This will be the best way forward. Reality50
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1:35pm Thu 9 Aug 12

Laney1989 says...

Ashbantam wrote:
Laney1989 wrote:
Prisoner Cell Block A wrote:
Laney1989 wrote:
bantamcougar wrote:
Laney1989 wrote:
Oh here we go again...
Change the record BantamCougar you are boring me.
Marching on together
Yeah exactly clown.
Anyway I'd concentrate on that Cougar's side of yours.
Do you want 50p? HAHA
So we have a city fan who supports Keighley Cougars having a go at a City fan cos he supports Leeds Rhinos, go on then, explain the difference.

Is it because one of them has a chip on his shoulder about being a small club?

On topic: wtf?? where did this come from?? what, where, who, when,why? Going to be interesting to see how it develops.

What I will say is I think we all, as Bradford sports fans have been dealt some rough hands in the past, maybe it is time to bury our hatchets and come together to maintain first class sport in the city and progrees it from first class to world class, in the Bulls case, again.
For some reason he's got a chip on his shoulder about me supporting Bradford City & Leeds Rhinos.
.
People who know me know my reasons.
.
That's it really.
There's no acceptable reason for it, I mean you sing marching on together for god sake, how can you do that it's not even a Rhinos song.
No acceptable reason? Ah right.
.
OK Dad.
.
"I sing MOT" - Do you know that for a fact?
.
Leeds Rhinos as a club sing MOT yes, because they own the rights to the song and have done for many years now.
.
Would you like me to put you in your place anymore?
[quote][p][bold]Ashbantam[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Laney1989[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Prisoner Cell Block A[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Laney1989[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]bantamcougar[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Laney1989[/bold] wrote: Oh here we go again... Change the record BantamCougar you are boring me.[/p][/quote]Marching on together[/p][/quote]Yeah exactly clown. Anyway I'd concentrate on that Cougar's side of yours. Do you want 50p? HAHA[/p][/quote]So we have a city fan who supports Keighley Cougars having a go at a City fan cos he supports Leeds Rhinos, go on then, explain the difference. Is it because one of them has a chip on his shoulder about being a small club? On topic: wtf?? where did this come from?? what, where, who, when,why? Going to be interesting to see how it develops. What I will say is I think we all, as Bradford sports fans have been dealt some rough hands in the past, maybe it is time to bury our hatchets and come together to maintain first class sport in the city and progrees it from first class to world class, in the Bulls case, again.[/p][/quote]For some reason he's got a chip on his shoulder about me supporting Bradford City & Leeds Rhinos. . People who know me know my reasons. . That's it really.[/p][/quote]There's no acceptable reason for it, I mean you sing marching on together for god sake, how can you do that it's not even a Rhinos song.[/p][/quote]No acceptable reason? Ah right. . OK Dad. . "I sing MOT" - Do you know that for a fact? . Leeds Rhinos as a club sing MOT yes, because they own the rights to the song and have done for many years now. . Would you like me to put you in your place anymore? Laney1989
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1:46pm Thu 9 Aug 12

kira171239 says...

Ralphie wrote:
I think that the rent for Odsal is £78,000 a year which is probably what clubs would have to pay to a reasonable Super League player and the RFL are responsible for maintenance etc. I suppose as long as you pay the rent you do n't actually have to play there!
sorry bradford bulls are responsible for the upkeep and maintainence at odsal
[quote][p][bold]Ralphie[/bold] wrote: I think that the rent for Odsal is £78,000 a year which is probably what clubs would have to pay to a reasonable Super League player and the RFL are responsible for maintenance etc. I suppose as long as you pay the rent you do n't actually have to play there![/p][/quote]sorry bradford bulls are responsible for the upkeep and maintainence at odsal kira171239
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1:47pm Thu 9 Aug 12

Thee Voice of Reason says...

There is still time for Park Avenue to put in a rival bid.
There is still time for Park Avenue to put in a rival bid. Thee Voice of Reason
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2:04pm Thu 9 Aug 12

LuvFootball says...

Thee Voice of Reason wrote:
There is still time for Park Avenue to put in a rival bid.
As in jest at that is aimed at, I am sure if Blackburn could afford to, Avenue would be playing at Odsal before the ink dies.
[quote][p][bold]Thee Voice of Reason[/bold] wrote: There is still time for Park Avenue to put in a rival bid.[/p][/quote]As in jest at that is aimed at, I am sure if Blackburn could afford to, Avenue would be playing at Odsal before the ink dies. LuvFootball
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2:13pm Thu 9 Aug 12

tyker2 says...

bobby98007 wrote:
tyker2 wrote:
Thee Voice of Reason wrote:
As far as I'm aware, Rhodes is a guarantor on the Valley Parade lease and the lease could only be broken if the club was placed into administation.

Odsal is not up to football league standard in various ways.

These two points alone suggest that City won't be moving to Odsal any time soon.

For the Bulls they have already played at Valley Parade and although the pitch size can be questioned there is no reason why the front 5 rows of the kop couldn't be removed to extend the pitch is there? They are covered up at games anyhow and attendances don't appear to require them.

The RFL though could and probably will stop any move as terms of current lease. With BCFC offering the Bulls another place to go maybe that will weaken the stance on the RFL to try keep hold of the lease and therefore suggest a buyback clause which hasn't been availible as yet.

So now we have a bid where the Bulls will repay all creditors which the RFL have suggested would allow them to keep their SL licence and also allow for the buy back of the Odsal lease as the RFL could see the Bulls uping sticks and moving down to Valley Parade.

If this is the case, BCFC could simply then sell on the club afterward to the ABC group who were wanting these conditions.

Talk about that for adding 2+2 together to get 1495.
don't follow your logic here fella. A guarantor protects the lender from an administration/liqui


daton. That is why when lending to a limited liability company or entering onto a lease with such a personal guarantee is given to the landlord by an individual in the event the company cannot pay.

So if City decide to go into administration ( irrespective of points deductions etc and possibly more) then the guarantor has to pay that which he has guaranteed to be paid. A similar situation arises if City decide to up sticks and move elsewhere. That rent would still have to be paid the tenant or the guarantor.

So the various lease have to be sorted out one way or another. One way is to buy the lease out but the directors of city have previously stated that they cannot afford that option!!

Severe financial problems exist on the grounds before a decision is made as to which venue is used.
Ive not read every single post on here, so ill make this point and hope im not covering old ground.

City cannot move away from VP without going into administration and leaving with a CVA.

Bulls have an agreement with the RFL that they will play rugby @ Odsal.

Arent Bulls already in administration? Therefore the RFL contract can be broken and Bulls moved to VP relativley cheaply (2 pence in the £ seems like the going rate) under a CVA?
going into administration does not absolve those who have given a personal guarantee. They have to meet the terms of the lease as though they were the person who had the lease. This applies whether the administration pays 2 p in the pound or nowt or if the club goes into a liquidated position. So just giving up a lease because it does not suit the current situation is not an option. These leases have to be sorted out one way or another. One way is for the lease to be bought out by whomsoever is interested in doing so but, for this to happen, there has to be a willing seller. In the case of VP that is the Flamingo Land (or whatever it is called now) pension fund. The main trustee of that fund is Gibb and he has shown no interest in selling up an asset which is returning a very good yield for the pension fund (around10% I believe).

There are some very serious hurdles to jump before ground sharing at either venue can be established
[quote][p][bold]bobby98007[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]tyker2[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Thee Voice of Reason[/bold] wrote: As far as I'm aware, Rhodes is a guarantor on the Valley Parade lease and the lease could only be broken if the club was placed into administation. Odsal is not up to football league standard in various ways. These two points alone suggest that City won't be moving to Odsal any time soon. For the Bulls they have already played at Valley Parade and although the pitch size can be questioned there is no reason why the front 5 rows of the kop couldn't be removed to extend the pitch is there? They are covered up at games anyhow and attendances don't appear to require them. The RFL though could and probably will stop any move as terms of current lease. With BCFC offering the Bulls another place to go maybe that will weaken the stance on the RFL to try keep hold of the lease and therefore suggest a buyback clause which hasn't been availible as yet. So now we have a bid where the Bulls will repay all creditors which the RFL have suggested would allow them to keep their SL licence and also allow for the buy back of the Odsal lease as the RFL could see the Bulls uping sticks and moving down to Valley Parade. If this is the case, BCFC could simply then sell on the club afterward to the ABC group who were wanting these conditions. Talk about that for adding 2+2 together to get 1495.[/p][/quote]don't follow your logic here fella. A guarantor protects the lender from an administration/liqui daton. That is why when lending to a limited liability company or entering onto a lease with such a personal guarantee is given to the landlord by an individual in the event the company cannot pay. So if City decide to go into administration ( irrespective of points deductions etc and possibly more) then the guarantor has to pay that which he has guaranteed to be paid. A similar situation arises if City decide to up sticks and move elsewhere. That rent would still have to be paid the tenant or the guarantor. So the various lease have to be sorted out one way or another. One way is to buy the lease out but the directors of city have previously stated that they cannot afford that option!! Severe financial problems exist on the grounds before a decision is made as to which venue is used.[/p][/quote]Ive not read every single post on here, so ill make this point and hope im not covering old ground. City cannot move away from VP without going into administration and leaving with a CVA. Bulls have an agreement with the RFL that they will play rugby @ Odsal. Arent Bulls already in administration? Therefore the RFL contract can be broken and Bulls moved to VP relativley cheaply (2 pence in the £ seems like the going rate) under a CVA?[/p][/quote]going into administration does not absolve those who have given a personal guarantee. They have to meet the terms of the lease as though they were the person who had the lease. This applies whether the administration pays 2 p in the pound or nowt or if the club goes into a liquidated position. So just giving up a lease because it does not suit the current situation is not an option. These leases have to be sorted out one way or another. One way is for the lease to be bought out by whomsoever is interested in doing so but, for this to happen, there has to be a willing seller. In the case of VP that is the Flamingo Land (or whatever it is called now) pension fund. The main trustee of that fund is Gibb and he has shown no interest in selling up an asset which is returning a very good yield for the pension fund (around10% I believe). There are some very serious hurdles to jump before ground sharing at either venue can be established tyker2
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2:16pm Thu 9 Aug 12

flashdonut says...

LuvFootball wrote:
Prisoner Cell Block A wrote:
You don't get to vote, why should you, your pots are broke, when people pee it runs all over the floor. Businessmen are trying to buy a business, they now do not care what you think, what you want. They will either buy and save the business, hopefully taking it on from there and strengthening it or it will be rejected again. At no point during any of this will you or any other Bulls/City fan get a say.

Accept the morsels of food thrown your way as beggars do.
Agree with you there. You hear that if someone is a paying fan they SHOULD have a say what the owners do. Why should we? I have paid hundreds on Microsoft software, should that give me a right to tell Bill gates what he can spend his money on? I have spent thousands on Virgin products, does that give me a say what companies Richard Branson can buy or industries he can buy into? I have spent thousands on Ford, Skoda and Vauxhall products, does that give me a right to tell Ford, VW or General motors which manufacturers they can buy and sell?

Once you spend your money on a season ticket, that money is no longer your's believe it or not, and have no right on how to say that money is then spent. That money then becomes the property of the owner of said company.

All sets of fans should welcome this, IF it isn't viable, City will just cut ties, but look at Rhinos and Tykes, look at Hull, Wigan and more recently look at Ashley looking to invest into Rangers. Because someone owns 1 club that does not mean they can not own another or invest elsewhere, especially if there are benefits for both clubs.

There are many petty idiots on these blogs, Ken Morrison is slated because he doesn't waste millions on City. To be honest, if I was as rich as him, I really wouldn't put it into City or the Bulls, but I am thankful that there are people that are and the ones running City I do trust.
Well said those two. Spot on.
[quote][p][bold]LuvFootball[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Prisoner Cell Block A[/bold] wrote: You don't get to vote, why should you, your pots are broke, when people pee it runs all over the floor. Businessmen are trying to buy a business, they now do not care what you think, what you want. They will either buy and save the business, hopefully taking it on from there and strengthening it or it will be rejected again. At no point during any of this will you or any other Bulls/City fan get a say. Accept the morsels of food thrown your way as beggars do.[/p][/quote]Agree with you there. You hear that if someone is a paying fan they SHOULD have a say what the owners do. Why should we? I have paid hundreds on Microsoft software, should that give me a right to tell Bill gates what he can spend his money on? I have spent thousands on Virgin products, does that give me a say what companies Richard Branson can buy or industries he can buy into? I have spent thousands on Ford, Skoda and Vauxhall products, does that give me a right to tell Ford, VW or General motors which manufacturers they can buy and sell? Once you spend your money on a season ticket, that money is no longer your's believe it or not, and have no right on how to say that money is then spent. That money then becomes the property of the owner of said company. All sets of fans should welcome this, IF it isn't viable, City will just cut ties, but look at Rhinos and Tykes, look at Hull, Wigan and more recently look at Ashley looking to invest into Rangers. Because someone owns 1 club that does not mean they can not own another or invest elsewhere, especially if there are benefits for both clubs. There are many petty idiots on these blogs, Ken Morrison is slated because he doesn't waste millions on City. To be honest, if I was as rich as him, I really wouldn't put it into City or the Bulls, but I am thankful that there are people that are and the ones running City I do trust.[/p][/quote]Well said those two. Spot on. flashdonut
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2:22pm Thu 9 Aug 12

bettyswollocks says...

Mumby was the best wrote:
Hi Betty you say "As far as rugby is concerned it's anybody but the bulls for me. Any joining with them would make it difficult to keep supporting City to the extent that I do. I'm not the only one that feels this way and I'm sure there are a lot of bulls fans that feel similar about us." Can I ask why you feel that way? You say lots of fans feel that way, I`ve never found that, I`m not denying there aren`t any but I`m sure not that many. What have the Bulls done wrong to you personally to have so much venom?
There are a lot of reasons for my 'anybody but the bulls' attitude, far too many to put on here.

The main one is their arrogant attitude over the years to other local (smaller) clubs, in their transfer dealings, in their genral helpfulness and everything else in general. That only got worse when they rose to the top in their successful spell. Remember the old adage watch who you step on on the way up because you might need them on the way down.

What goes around comes around and I do't want them taking my football club with them.
[quote][p][bold]Mumby was the best[/bold] wrote: Hi Betty you say "As far as rugby is concerned it's anybody but the bulls for me. Any joining with them would make it difficult to keep supporting City to the extent that I do. I'm not the only one that feels this way and I'm sure there are a lot of bulls fans that feel similar about us." Can I ask why you feel that way? You say lots of fans feel that way, I`ve never found that, I`m not denying there aren`t any but I`m sure not that many. What have the Bulls done wrong to you personally to have so much venom?[/p][/quote]There are a lot of reasons for my 'anybody but the bulls' attitude, far too many to put on here. The main one is their arrogant attitude over the years to other local (smaller) clubs, in their transfer dealings, in their genral helpfulness and everything else in general. That only got worse when they rose to the top in their successful spell. Remember the old adage watch who you step on on the way up because you might need them on the way down. What goes around comes around and I do't want them taking my football club with them. bettyswollocks
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2:31pm Thu 9 Aug 12

Mumby was the best says...

Some posters are saying once the deal goes thru they will sell it to ABC.
ABC wanted the lease and SL place. City have not wanted the conditions, so they would not have the lease.
If they did sell to ABC surely the RL would have to agree to it which I am sure they would not, but dafter things have happened!!
Some posters are saying once the deal goes thru they will sell it to ABC. ABC wanted the lease and SL place. City have not wanted the conditions, so they would not have the lease. If they did sell to ABC surely the RL would have to agree to it which I am sure they would not, but dafter things have happened!! Mumby was the best
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2:36pm Thu 9 Aug 12

Mumby was the best says...

bettyswollocks wrote:
Mumby was the best wrote:
Hi Betty you say "As far as rugby is concerned it's anybody but the bulls for me. Any joining with them would make it difficult to keep supporting City to the extent that I do. I'm not the only one that feels this way and I'm sure there are a lot of bulls fans that feel similar about us." Can I ask why you feel that way? You say lots of fans feel that way, I`ve never found that, I`m not denying there aren`t any but I`m sure not that many. What have the Bulls done wrong to you personally to have so much venom?
There are a lot of reasons for my 'anybody but the bulls' attitude, far too many to put on here.

The main one is their arrogant attitude over the years to other local (smaller) clubs, in their transfer dealings, in their genral helpfulness and everything else in general. That only got worse when they rose to the top in their successful spell. Remember the old adage watch who you step on on the way up because you might need them on the way down.

What goes around comes around and I do't want them taking my football club with them.
Where has it been reported this arrogant attitude?, who are these local smaller clubs? Whats everything else in general.
Methinks your views are tinged with green and not facts, but if thats the way you feel so be it.
[quote][p][bold]bettyswollocks[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Mumby was the best[/bold] wrote: Hi Betty you say "As far as rugby is concerned it's anybody but the bulls for me. Any joining with them would make it difficult to keep supporting City to the extent that I do. I'm not the only one that feels this way and I'm sure there are a lot of bulls fans that feel similar about us." Can I ask why you feel that way? You say lots of fans feel that way, I`ve never found that, I`m not denying there aren`t any but I`m sure not that many. What have the Bulls done wrong to you personally to have so much venom?[/p][/quote]There are a lot of reasons for my 'anybody but the bulls' attitude, far too many to put on here. The main one is their arrogant attitude over the years to other local (smaller) clubs, in their transfer dealings, in their genral helpfulness and everything else in general. That only got worse when they rose to the top in their successful spell. Remember the old adage watch who you step on on the way up because you might need them on the way down. What goes around comes around and I do't want them taking my football club with them.[/p][/quote]Where has it been reported this arrogant attitude?, who are these local smaller clubs? Whats everything else in general. Methinks your views are tinged with green and not facts, but if thats the way you feel so be it. Mumby was the best
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2:39pm Thu 9 Aug 12

LuvFootball says...

tyker2 wrote:
bobby98007 wrote:
tyker2 wrote:
Thee Voice of Reason wrote:
As far as I'm aware, Rhodes is a guarantor on the Valley Parade lease and the lease could only be broken if the club was placed into administation.

Odsal is not up to football league standard in various ways.

These two points alone suggest that City won't be moving to Odsal any time soon.

For the Bulls they have already played at Valley Parade and although the pitch size can be questioned there is no reason why the front 5 rows of the kop couldn't be removed to extend the pitch is there? They are covered up at games anyhow and attendances don't appear to require them.

The RFL though could and probably will stop any move as terms of current lease. With BCFC offering the Bulls another place to go maybe that will weaken the stance on the RFL to try keep hold of the lease and therefore suggest a buyback clause which hasn't been availible as yet.

So now we have a bid where the Bulls will repay all creditors which the RFL have suggested would allow them to keep their SL licence and also allow for the buy back of the Odsal lease as the RFL could see the Bulls uping sticks and moving down to Valley Parade.

If this is the case, BCFC could simply then sell on the club afterward to the ABC group who were wanting these conditions.

Talk about that for adding 2+2 together to get 1495.
don't follow your logic here fella. A guarantor protects the lender from an administration/liqui



daton. That is why when lending to a limited liability company or entering onto a lease with such a personal guarantee is given to the landlord by an individual in the event the company cannot pay.

So if City decide to go into administration ( irrespective of points deductions etc and possibly more) then the guarantor has to pay that which he has guaranteed to be paid. A similar situation arises if City decide to up sticks and move elsewhere. That rent would still have to be paid the tenant or the guarantor.

So the various lease have to be sorted out one way or another. One way is to buy the lease out but the directors of city have previously stated that they cannot afford that option!!

Severe financial problems exist on the grounds before a decision is made as to which venue is used.
Ive not read every single post on here, so ill make this point and hope im not covering old ground.

City cannot move away from VP without going into administration and leaving with a CVA.

Bulls have an agreement with the RFL that they will play rugby @ Odsal.

Arent Bulls already in administration? Therefore the RFL contract can be broken and Bulls moved to VP relativley cheaply (2 pence in the £ seems like the going rate) under a CVA?
going into administration does not absolve those who have given a personal guarantee. They have to meet the terms of the lease as though they were the person who had the lease. This applies whether the administration pays 2 p in the pound or nowt or if the club goes into a liquidated position. So just giving up a lease because it does not suit the current situation is not an option. These leases have to be sorted out one way or another. One way is for the lease to be bought out by whomsoever is interested in doing so but, for this to happen, there has to be a willing seller. In the case of VP that is the Flamingo Land (or whatever it is called now) pension fund. The main trustee of that fund is Gibb and he has shown no interest in selling up an asset which is returning a very good yield for the pension fund (around10% I believe).

There are some very serious hurdles to jump before ground sharing at either venue can be established
Which is one good business reason is to create a phoenix club. A phoenix Bulls/Northern club would have no such ties or any debt at all. From a business proposition, for Rhodes/Lawn, would it be financially more beneficial to buy ther Bulls and incur all of their debts and contracts or to use that money into creating a new rugby club running at VP?

For someone like Blackburn, if he saw it viable to buy the Bulls or could afford it, he would take Avenue to be based at Odsal, something that he has wanted in the past. If the Bulls then cease to trade, he could close that part off and then still owning the contract have Odsal solely for Avenue, which at their current level would not be a viable option, but if they got into the conference or higher could be.

What actually is the contract terms regards the lease of Odsal to the Bulls? Is there a minimum length, has that been agreed or is it pay as you go which if that is the case, there is nothing tieing the Bulls to Odsal at all.

Also regards leasing, if it is an entirely altogether new company using that have bought the name rights to use the name of a club and nothing more, wouldn't that be a much better outcome for any company. For example, if the Bulls went bust, ceased trading, how much would it cost to use either the name of the team Bradford Northern or Bradford Bulls and have them based at facilities you already own? Therefore not taking on any debt or contracts that you may otherwise be stuck in.

The RFL may have a white elephant on their hands with Odsal, if there is no rugby team, what would become of the ground? Sold to land developers?
[quote][p][bold]tyker2[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]bobby98007[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]tyker2[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Thee Voice of Reason[/bold] wrote: As far as I'm aware, Rhodes is a guarantor on the Valley Parade lease and the lease could only be broken if the club was placed into administation. Odsal is not up to football league standard in various ways. These two points alone suggest that City won't be moving to Odsal any time soon. For the Bulls they have already played at Valley Parade and although the pitch size can be questioned there is no reason why the front 5 rows of the kop couldn't be removed to extend the pitch is there? They are covered up at games anyhow and attendances don't appear to require them. The RFL though could and probably will stop any move as terms of current lease. With BCFC offering the Bulls another place to go maybe that will weaken the stance on the RFL to try keep hold of the lease and therefore suggest a buyback clause which hasn't been availible as yet. So now we have a bid where the Bulls will repay all creditors which the RFL have suggested would allow them to keep their SL licence and also allow for the buy back of the Odsal lease as the RFL could see the Bulls uping sticks and moving down to Valley Parade. If this is the case, BCFC could simply then sell on the club afterward to the ABC group who were wanting these conditions. Talk about that for adding 2+2 together to get 1495.[/p][/quote]don't follow your logic here fella. A guarantor protects the lender from an administration/liqui daton. That is why when lending to a limited liability company or entering onto a lease with such a personal guarantee is given to the landlord by an individual in the event the company cannot pay. So if City decide to go into administration ( irrespective of points deductions etc and possibly more) then the guarantor has to pay that which he has guaranteed to be paid. A similar situation arises if City decide to up sticks and move elsewhere. That rent would still have to be paid the tenant or the guarantor. So the various lease have to be sorted out one way or another. One way is to buy the lease out but the directors of city have previously stated that they cannot afford that option!! Severe financial problems exist on the grounds before a decision is made as to which venue is used.[/p][/quote]Ive not read every single post on here, so ill make this point and hope im not covering old ground. City cannot move away from VP without going into administration and leaving with a CVA. Bulls have an agreement with the RFL that they will play rugby @ Odsal. Arent Bulls already in administration? Therefore the RFL contract can be broken and Bulls moved to VP relativley cheaply (2 pence in the £ seems like the going rate) under a CVA?[/p][/quote]going into administration does not absolve those who have given a personal guarantee. They have to meet the terms of the lease as though they were the person who had the lease. This applies whether the administration pays 2 p in the pound or nowt or if the club goes into a liquidated position. So just giving up a lease because it does not suit the current situation is not an option. These leases have to be sorted out one way or another. One way is for the lease to be bought out by whomsoever is interested in doing so but, for this to happen, there has to be a willing seller. In the case of VP that is the Flamingo Land (or whatever it is called now) pension fund. The main trustee of that fund is Gibb and he has shown no interest in selling up an asset which is returning a very good yield for the pension fund (around10% I believe). There are some very serious hurdles to jump before ground sharing at either venue can be established[/p][/quote]Which is one good business reason is to create a phoenix club. A phoenix Bulls/Northern club would have no such ties or any debt at all. From a business proposition, for Rhodes/Lawn, would it be financially more beneficial to buy ther Bulls and incur all of their debts and contracts or to use that money into creating a new rugby club running at VP? For someone like Blackburn, if he saw it viable to buy the Bulls or could afford it, he would take Avenue to be based at Odsal, something that he has wanted in the past. If the Bulls then cease to trade, he could close that part off and then still owning the contract have Odsal solely for Avenue, which at their current level would not be a viable option, but if they got into the conference or higher could be. What actually is the contract terms regards the lease of Odsal to the Bulls? Is there a minimum length, has that been agreed or is it pay as you go which if that is the case, there is nothing tieing the Bulls to Odsal at all. Also regards leasing, if it is an entirely altogether new company using that have bought the name rights to use the name of a club and nothing more, wouldn't that be a much better outcome for any company. For example, if the Bulls went bust, ceased trading, how much would it cost to use either the name of the team Bradford Northern or Bradford Bulls and have them based at facilities you already own? Therefore not taking on any debt or contracts that you may otherwise be stuck in. The RFL may have a white elephant on their hands with Odsal, if there is no rugby team, what would become of the ground? Sold to land developers? LuvFootball
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2:45pm Thu 9 Aug 12

LuvFootball says...

Mumby was the best wrote:
Some posters are saying once the deal goes thru they will sell it to ABC.
ABC wanted the lease and SL place. City have not wanted the conditions, so they would not have the lease.
If they did sell to ABC surely the RL would have to agree to it which I am sure they would not, but dafter things have happened!!
Then why don't ABC just put in the same offer at City, surely to the RFL, it doesn't matter who owns the Bulls. ABC wanted all the clauses, that is why the RFL didn't accept their offer, so why would they put in a different offer through somebody else when they can so easily do it themselves and be seen as the saviours in all the media.

What logic has ABC go to put an offer through someone else and no doubt having to pay them to do it for them?
[quote][p][bold]Mumby was the best[/bold] wrote: Some posters are saying once the deal goes thru they will sell it to ABC. ABC wanted the lease and SL place. City have not wanted the conditions, so they would not have the lease. If they did sell to ABC surely the RL would have to agree to it which I am sure they would not, but dafter things have happened!![/p][/quote]Then why don't ABC just put in the same offer at City, surely to the RFL, it doesn't matter who owns the Bulls. ABC wanted all the clauses, that is why the RFL didn't accept their offer, so why would they put in a different offer through somebody else when they can so easily do it themselves and be seen as the saviours in all the media. What logic has ABC go to put an offer through someone else and no doubt having to pay them to do it for them? LuvFootball
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2:46pm Thu 9 Aug 12

Laney1989 says...

I didn't like you yesterday "LuvFootball" but you actually talk sense.
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Good post again!
I didn't like you yesterday "LuvFootball" but you actually talk sense. . Good post again! Laney1989
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2:51pm Thu 9 Aug 12

LuvFootball says...

Laney1989 wrote:
I didn't like you yesterday "LuvFootball" but you actually talk sense.
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Good post again!
Thank you. I am sure I will say things off the cusp and at times get things wrong, but hey, I'm only human, we are all human, you won't always like or agree with what I say, noone will. I read many comments on here, some I like, some I think utter tripe.
[quote][p][bold]Laney1989[/bold] wrote: I didn't like you yesterday "LuvFootball" but you actually talk sense. . Good post again![/p][/quote]Thank you. I am sure I will say things off the cusp and at times get things wrong, but hey, I'm only human, we are all human, you won't always like or agree with what I say, noone will. I read many comments on here, some I like, some I think utter tripe. LuvFootball
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3:01pm Thu 9 Aug 12

LuvFootball says...

Just one other thought regards the Lease. I am sure if the lease is affordable, any new owner can pay it, but it does not mean that the club has to play there, so for arguments sake let's say City buy the Bulls, paying a lease of £100k a year for Odsal, there is nothing to stop the Bulls playing at City and then City doing as they wish with Odsal. The ground could be used as a training ground for both clubs, it could be used for the reserves and the youth set up. There have been issues with looking for training facilities for our club, and Odsal could be a "cheap" solution for what it can offer. Not to mention City could still lease out Odsal for major cup ties or other events.

Odsal a training ground, a reserves ground and a youth ground. That is IF there is a lease that can not be broken. Might sound far fetched, but that would cut down on staffing, it would cut down on running costs operating 2 stadia for match days and could increase sponsorship values at VP.

Just a thought that noone on here has thought of. Does anybody really know if any new owners would be stuck in paying a lease for Odsal?
Just one other thought regards the Lease. I am sure if the lease is affordable, any new owner can pay it, but it does not mean that the club has to play there, so for arguments sake let's say City buy the Bulls, paying a lease of £100k a year for Odsal, there is nothing to stop the Bulls playing at City and then City doing as they wish with Odsal. The ground could be used as a training ground for both clubs, it could be used for the reserves and the youth set up. There have been issues with looking for training facilities for our club, and Odsal could be a "cheap" solution for what it can offer. Not to mention City could still lease out Odsal for major cup ties or other events. Odsal a training ground, a reserves ground and a youth ground. That is IF there is a lease that can not be broken. Might sound far fetched, but that would cut down on staffing, it would cut down on running costs operating 2 stadia for match days and could increase sponsorship values at VP. Just a thought that noone on here has thought of. Does anybody really know if any new owners would be stuck in paying a lease for Odsal? LuvFootball
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3:13pm Thu 9 Aug 12

Mumby was the best says...

LuvFootball wrote:
Mumby was the best wrote:
Some posters are saying once the deal goes thru they will sell it to ABC.
ABC wanted the lease and SL place. City have not wanted the conditions, so they would not have the lease.
If they did sell to ABC surely the RL would have to agree to it which I am sure they would not, but dafter things have happened!!
Then why don't ABC just put in the same offer at City, surely to the RFL, it doesn't matter who owns the Bulls. ABC wanted all the clauses, that is why the RFL didn't accept their offer, so why would they put in a different offer through somebody else when they can so easily do it themselves and be seen as the saviours in all the media.

What logic has ABC go to put an offer through someone else and no doubt having to pay them to do it for them?
ABC won`t put in the same offer as city because they want Odsal (for some reasons they won`t say) and a Guarantee of SL status. City don`t stipulate those conditions. So if City get the Bulls surely they are not bothered about Odsal, probably move them to VP which is not in ABC`s plans!!! But again who knows whats what in this fiasco there is bound to be twists and turns to come. Everything said on here is conjecture.
[quote][p][bold]LuvFootball[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Mumby was the best[/bold] wrote: Some posters are saying once the deal goes thru they will sell it to ABC. ABC wanted the lease and SL place. City have not wanted the conditions, so they would not have the lease. If they did sell to ABC surely the RL would have to agree to it which I am sure they would not, but dafter things have happened!![/p][/quote]Then why don't ABC just put in the same offer at City, surely to the RFL, it doesn't matter who owns the Bulls. ABC wanted all the clauses, that is why the RFL didn't accept their offer, so why would they put in a different offer through somebody else when they can so easily do it themselves and be seen as the saviours in all the media. What logic has ABC go to put an offer through someone else and no doubt having to pay them to do it for them?[/p][/quote]ABC won`t put in the same offer as city because they want Odsal (for some reasons they won`t say) and a Guarantee of SL status. City don`t stipulate those conditions. So if City get the Bulls surely they are not bothered about Odsal, probably move them to VP which is not in ABC`s plans!!! But again who knows whats what in this fiasco there is bound to be twists and turns to come. Everything said on here is conjecture. Mumby was the best
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3:15pm Thu 9 Aug 12

Mumby was the best says...

Should have pointed out some posters,not me, believe there is a chance City will sell on to ABC
Should have pointed out some posters,not me, believe there is a chance City will sell on to ABC Mumby was the best
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3:38pm Thu 9 Aug 12

murphyslaw says...

So much conjecture and speculation. All this may yet be a non starter. There is much to be considered by all parties before anything happens at all. People should hang fire with their comments intill they know more.
So much conjecture and speculation. All this may yet be a non starter. There is much to be considered by all parties before anything happens at all. People should hang fire with their comments intill they know more. murphyslaw
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3:38pm Thu 9 Aug 12

Mike Strutter says...

New deadline set .

A deadline is a deadline unless you are the administrator of the Bradford Dulls !
New deadline set . A deadline is a deadline unless you are the administrator of the Bradford Dulls ! Mike Strutter
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3:44pm Thu 9 Aug 12

LuvFootball says...

Mike Strutter wrote:
New deadline set .

A deadline is a deadline unless you are the administrator of the Bradford Dulls !
He's not daft, the longer it drags on for, the larger his fee.
[quote][p][bold]Mike Strutter[/bold] wrote: New deadline set . A deadline is a deadline unless you are the administrator of the Bradford Dulls ![/p][/quote]He's not daft, the longer it drags on for, the larger his fee. LuvFootball
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3:55pm Thu 9 Aug 12

Bacon Bantam says...

Where is the fella who was slagging off football yesterday, he appears to have not posted in this thread.

Others slating city fans also appear quiet compared to previous threads.
Where is the fella who was slagging off football yesterday, he appears to have not posted in this thread. Others slating city fans also appear quiet compared to previous threads. Bacon Bantam
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4:02pm Thu 9 Aug 12

Mumby was the best says...

Bacon Bantam wrote:
Where is the fella who was slagging off football yesterday, he appears to have not posted in this thread.

Others slating city fans also appear quiet compared to previous threads.
You always get people who don`t engage brain before posting unfortunately, and some who engage brain to post inflammatory comments for no other reason than to attempt to upset people and wind them up.
[quote][p][bold]Bacon Bantam[/bold] wrote: Where is the fella who was slagging off football yesterday, he appears to have not posted in this thread. Others slating city fans also appear quiet compared to previous threads.[/p][/quote]You always get people who don`t engage brain before posting unfortunately, and some who engage brain to post inflammatory comments for no other reason than to attempt to upset people and wind them up. Mumby was the best
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4:12pm Thu 9 Aug 12

jagzter says...

RFL set the deadline not the administrator, and it is a deadline for new offers to be presented to the RFL so you would guess they are going to accept either one of the two unconditional offers because they don't want the club wound up before the end of the season due to complications that would lead to with empty fixtures going forward and points gained from earlier fixtures.
RFL set the deadline not the administrator, and it is a deadline for new offers to be presented to the RFL so you would guess they are going to accept either one of the two unconditional offers because they don't want the club wound up before the end of the season due to complications that would lead to with empty fixtures going forward and points gained from earlier fixtures. jagzter
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4:15pm Thu 9 Aug 12

fantam says...

One thing is forgoten here. Odsal in WINTER for City=not likely!! I remember last time, it was FREEZING and then we could walk about In seating we would freeze to our seats.
Truthfully, as a supporter for 67 years you'd have to count me OUT!!
One thing is forgoten here. Odsal in WINTER for City=not likely!! I remember last time, it was FREEZING and then we could walk about In seating we would freeze to our seats. Truthfully, as a supporter for 67 years you'd have to count me OUT!! fantam
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4:27pm Thu 9 Aug 12

nowt fresh says...

Mumby was the best wrote:
Shelfrhino wrote: This seems to make perfect sense, why have two separate grounds when it would make much more sense to keep both steaming piles of s**t in one place. I'm Brian and so's my wife, Make odslum the Etihad of Yorkshire? Really, you can't be serious?
Now now Tim but Dim my Sweety you should not be so nasty, the last time I had to point things out you ended up blubbing over your keyboard!! denying you were gay (LOL) how you had driven many miles and were oh so tired and put your foot in your mouth. I owned you then and still do, so be a nice boy and keep to the point and not come out with bitchy things.You are a one really ****
Owned by both you Mumby and Steampigs LOL
[quote][p][bold]Mumby was the best[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Shelfrhino[/bold] wrote: This seems to make perfect sense, why have two separate grounds when it would make much more sense to keep both steaming piles of s**t in one place. I'm Brian and so's my wife, Make odslum the Etihad of Yorkshire? Really, you can't be serious?[/p][/quote]Now now Tim but Dim my Sweety you should not be so nasty, the last time I had to point things out you ended up blubbing over your keyboard!! denying you were gay (LOL) how you had driven many miles and were oh so tired and put your foot in your mouth. I owned you then and still do, so be a nice boy and keep to the point and not come out with bitchy things.You are a one really ****[/p][/quote]Owned by both you Mumby and Steampigs LOL nowt fresh
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4:35pm Thu 9 Aug 12

nowt fresh says...

Mumby was the best wrote:
Hi Betty you say "As far as rugby is concerned it's anybody but the bulls for me. Any joining with them would make it difficult to keep supporting City to the extent that I do. I'm not the only one that feels this way and I'm sure there are a lot of bulls fans that feel similar about us." Can I ask why you feel that way? You say lots of fans feel that way, I`ve never found that, I`m not denying there aren`t any but I`m sure not that many. What have the Bulls done wrong to you personally to have so much venom?
She's in a minority on this one Mumby I as a City fan for over 55 years want any Bradford club to survive and prosper (and that includes) Avenue no grudges held here, sad old Betty LOL.
[quote][p][bold]Mumby was the best[/bold] wrote: Hi Betty you say "As far as rugby is concerned it's anybody but the bulls for me. Any joining with them would make it difficult to keep supporting City to the extent that I do. I'm not the only one that feels this way and I'm sure there are a lot of bulls fans that feel similar about us." Can I ask why you feel that way? You say lots of fans feel that way, I`ve never found that, I`m not denying there aren`t any but I`m sure not that many. What have the Bulls done wrong to you personally to have so much venom?[/p][/quote]She's in a minority on this one Mumby I as a City fan for over 55 years want any Bradford club to survive and prosper (and that includes) Avenue no grudges held here, sad old Betty LOL. nowt fresh
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4:42pm Thu 9 Aug 12

shikran says...

Bacon Bantam wrote:
Where is the fella who was slagging off football yesterday, he appears to have not posted in this thread.

Others slating city fans also appear quiet compared to previous threads.
Apparently someone compared City's tactics to a UN food drop a couple days ago. Sorry on behalf of whoever that was: I for one welcome our new claret & amber overlords
[quote][p][bold]Bacon Bantam[/bold] wrote: Where is the fella who was slagging off football yesterday, he appears to have not posted in this thread. Others slating city fans also appear quiet compared to previous threads.[/p][/quote]Apparently someone compared City's tactics to a UN food drop a couple days ago. Sorry on behalf of whoever that was: I for one welcome our new claret & amber overlords shikran
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5:03pm Thu 9 Aug 12

LuvFootball says...

Heard from sources that they have to play at VP if the deal goes through.
Heard from sources that they have to play at VP if the deal goes through. LuvFootball
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5:09pm Thu 9 Aug 12

arhmen aleg says...

nowt fresh wrote:
Mumby was the best wrote: Hi Betty you say "As far as rugby is concerned it's anybody but the bulls for me. Any joining with them would make it difficult to keep supporting City to the extent that I do. I'm not the only one that feels this way and I'm sure there are a lot of bulls fans that feel similar about us." Can I ask why you feel that way? You say lots of fans feel that way, I`ve never found that, I`m not denying there aren`t any but I`m sure not that many. What have the Bulls done wrong to you personally to have so much venom?
She's in a minority on this one Mumby I as a City fan for over 55 years want any Bradford club to survive and prosper (and that includes) Avenue no grudges held here, sad old Betty LOL.
Well said.
I too wish the best for all three of Brafords clubs.
But please dont think Avenue are in any position to bid.

Or Mark And Julian on their own.

Someone posted some thread that the VP dressing rooms have been altered to accomadate rugby.

The ABC have withdrawn.

Nobby stated Bradford City also need a future or words to that effect.

Methinks the changing of the goalposts is merely a change required as things were not progresssing due to the stringent conditions the RFL maybe set.

And quite right too.

i believe the funding will be coming from the same parties.
It is just the lead that is changed.

Yes there are extremely complicated legal issues with THe RFL ,Flamingo Land Pension Fund,BCFC directors guarantees,Bradford Council conditions of giving away the lease 10 years ago (and a package of 5 million to the Bulls frittered)to overcome in all this.
Plus 1.5 million of debt that the RFL want paying.
It is going to take a lot of skill and negotiation to overcome all this and do what willl ultimately be best for the long term survival of all Brafords cherished sport institutions.

But it appears there is a serious WILL.

And those that have that WILL will take no notice of the small minded individuals on here that cannot see the bigger picture of the long term common good.

Odsal would be best developed.
The RFL could still play a big part

They have 25 million Reality reckons.

they are a big brand.

Nigel Wood is a Bradford lad.

I hope it all works for the best.

why do they play finals at Old Trafford when there is the potential here to join p and create a truly magnificent sporting centre with other parties.

Not a Wembley of the North as noone has the 800 million that cost to rebuild.

But if clubs like Leicester Tigers can develop a ground fit for purpose then The 3 (and Avenue along aswell )could make something truly epic with the odsal site.

Noone has the money or access to funding on their own.

But a partnership to create a Stadium Village up there could if the falling out could be negotiated.
[quote][p][bold]nowt fresh[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Mumby was the best[/bold] wrote: Hi Betty you say "As far as rugby is concerned it's anybody but the bulls for me. Any joining with them would make it difficult to keep supporting City to the extent that I do. I'm not the only one that feels this way and I'm sure there are a lot of bulls fans that feel similar about us." Can I ask why you feel that way? You say lots of fans feel that way, I`ve never found that, I`m not denying there aren`t any but I`m sure not that many. What have the Bulls done wrong to you personally to have so much venom?[/p][/quote]She's in a minority on this one Mumby I as a City fan for over 55 years want any Bradford club to survive and prosper (and that includes) Avenue no grudges held here, sad old Betty LOL.[/p][/quote]Well said. I too wish the best for all three of Brafords clubs. But please dont think Avenue are in any position to bid. Or Mark And Julian on their own. Someone posted some thread that the VP dressing rooms have been altered to accomadate rugby. The ABC have withdrawn. Nobby stated Bradford City also need a future or words to that effect. Methinks the changing of the goalposts is merely a change required as things were not progresssing due to the stringent conditions the RFL maybe set. And quite right too. i believe the funding will be coming from the same parties. It is just the lead that is changed. Yes there are extremely complicated legal issues with THe RFL ,Flamingo Land Pension Fund,BCFC directors guarantees,Bradford Council conditions of giving away the lease 10 years ago (and a package of 5 million to the Bulls frittered)to overcome in all this. Plus 1.5 million of debt that the RFL want paying. It is going to take a lot of skill and negotiation to overcome all this and do what willl ultimately be best for the long term survival of all Brafords cherished sport institutions. But it appears there is a serious WILL. And those that have that WILL will take no notice of the small minded individuals on here that cannot see the bigger picture of the long term common good. Odsal would be best developed. The RFL could still play a big part They have 25 million Reality reckons. they are a big brand. Nigel Wood is a Bradford lad. I hope it all works for the best. why do they play finals at Old Trafford when there is the potential here to join p and create a truly magnificent sporting centre with other parties. Not a Wembley of the North as noone has the 800 million that cost to rebuild. But if clubs like Leicester Tigers can develop a ground fit for purpose then The 3 (and Avenue along aswell )could make something truly epic with the odsal site. Noone has the money or access to funding on their own. But a partnership to create a Stadium Village up there could if the falling out could be negotiated. arhmen aleg
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5:22pm Thu 9 Aug 12

audal says...

You are all lacking in the p.r. department, why ? because period wise this elephant in the room rears up and gets everyone discussing the ifs and buts of a certain situation. i.e. sport/politics/relig
ion. result= new season=renewed interest. etc. etc. et--- Odsal is Odsal - Valley Parade is the same and hey up!! more interest in both sports at least until next season.
You are all lacking in the p.r. department, why ? because period wise this elephant in the room rears up and gets everyone discussing the ifs and buts of a certain situation. i.e. sport/politics/relig ion. result= new season=renewed interest. etc. etc. et--- Odsal is Odsal - Valley Parade is the same and hey up!! more interest in both sports at least until next season. audal
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5:38pm Thu 9 Aug 12

Mike Strutter says...

arhmen aleg wrote:
nowt fresh wrote:
Mumby was the best wrote: Hi Betty you say "As far as rugby is concerned it's anybody but the bulls for me. Any joining with them would make it difficult to keep supporting City to the extent that I do. I'm not the only one that feels this way and I'm sure there are a lot of bulls fans that feel similar about us." Can I ask why you feel that way? You say lots of fans feel that way, I`ve never found that, I`m not denying there aren`t any but I`m sure not that many. What have the Bulls done wrong to you personally to have so much venom?
She's in a minority on this one Mumby I as a City fan for over 55 years want any Bradford club to survive and prosper (and that includes) Avenue no grudges held here, sad old Betty LOL.
Well said.
I too wish the best for all three of Brafords clubs.
But please dont think Avenue are in any position to bid.

Or Mark And Julian on their own.

Someone posted some thread that the VP dressing rooms have been altered to accomadate rugby.

The ABC have withdrawn.

Nobby stated Bradford City also need a future or words to that effect.

Methinks the changing of the goalposts is merely a change required as things were not progresssing due to the stringent conditions the RFL maybe set.

And quite right too.

i believe the funding will be coming from the same parties.
It is just the lead that is changed.

Yes there are extremely complicated legal issues with THe RFL ,Flamingo Land Pension Fund,BCFC directors guarantees,Bradford Council conditions of giving away the lease 10 years ago (and a package of 5 million to the Bulls frittered)to overcome in all this.
Plus 1.5 million of debt that the RFL want paying.
It is going to take a lot of skill and negotiation to overcome all this and do what willl ultimately be best for the long term survival of all Brafords cherished sport institutions.

But it appears there is a serious WILL.

And those that have that WILL will take no notice of the small minded individuals on here that cannot see the bigger picture of the long term common good.

Odsal would be best developed.
The RFL could still play a big part

They have 25 million Reality reckons.

they are a big brand.

Nigel Wood is a Bradford lad.

I hope it all works for the best.

why do they play finals at Old Trafford when there is the potential here to join p and create a truly magnificent sporting centre with other parties.

Not a Wembley of the North as noone has the 800 million that cost to rebuild.

But if clubs like Leicester Tigers can develop a ground fit for purpose then The 3 (and Avenue along aswell )could make something truly epic with the odsal site.

Noone has the money or access to funding on their own.

But a partnership to create a Stadium Village up there could if the falling out could be negotiated.
Why do they play the grand final in Manchester ?
I can't believe you are dumb enough to ask that !
First of all it's a great stadium with a massive capacity and secondly whilst in an industrial estate it's not far from a good night out.
Now if Bradford was lucky enough to have a stadium to rival old Trafford you would have to travel to Leeds for a good night out.
Remind me again , is it April 1st ?
[quote][p][bold]arhmen aleg[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]nowt fresh[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Mumby was the best[/bold] wrote: Hi Betty you say "As far as rugby is concerned it's anybody but the bulls for me. Any joining with them would make it difficult to keep supporting City to the extent that I do. I'm not the only one that feels this way and I'm sure there are a lot of bulls fans that feel similar about us." Can I ask why you feel that way? You say lots of fans feel that way, I`ve never found that, I`m not denying there aren`t any but I`m sure not that many. What have the Bulls done wrong to you personally to have so much venom?[/p][/quote]She's in a minority on this one Mumby I as a City fan for over 55 years want any Bradford club to survive and prosper (and that includes) Avenue no grudges held here, sad old Betty LOL.[/p][/quote]Well said. I too wish the best for all three of Brafords clubs. But please dont think Avenue are in any position to bid. Or Mark And Julian on their own. Someone posted some thread that the VP dressing rooms have been altered to accomadate rugby. The ABC have withdrawn. Nobby stated Bradford City also need a future or words to that effect. Methinks the changing of the goalposts is merely a change required as things were not progresssing due to the stringent conditions the RFL maybe set. And quite right too. i believe the funding will be coming from the same parties. It is just the lead that is changed. Yes there are extremely complicated legal issues with THe RFL ,Flamingo Land Pension Fund,BCFC directors guarantees,Bradford Council conditions of giving away the lease 10 years ago (and a package of 5 million to the Bulls frittered)to overcome in all this. Plus 1.5 million of debt that the RFL want paying. It is going to take a lot of skill and negotiation to overcome all this and do what willl ultimately be best for the long term survival of all Brafords cherished sport institutions. But it appears there is a serious WILL. And those that have that WILL will take no notice of the small minded individuals on here that cannot see the bigger picture of the long term common good. Odsal would be best developed. The RFL could still play a big part They have 25 million Reality reckons. they are a big brand. Nigel Wood is a Bradford lad. I hope it all works for the best. why do they play finals at Old Trafford when there is the potential here to join p and create a truly magnificent sporting centre with other parties. Not a Wembley of the North as noone has the 800 million that cost to rebuild. But if clubs like Leicester Tigers can develop a ground fit for purpose then The 3 (and Avenue along aswell )could make something truly epic with the odsal site. Noone has the money or access to funding on their own. But a partnership to create a Stadium Village up there could if the falling out could be negotiated.[/p][/quote]Why do they play the grand final in Manchester ? I can't believe you are dumb enough to ask that ! First of all it's a great stadium with a massive capacity and secondly whilst in an industrial estate it's not far from a good night out. Now if Bradford was lucky enough to have a stadium to rival old Trafford you would have to travel to Leeds for a good night out. Remind me again , is it April 1st ? Mike Strutter
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5:40pm Thu 9 Aug 12

Shelfrhino says...

Mumby was the best wrote:
Shelfrhino wrote:
This seems to make perfect sense, why have two separate grounds when it would make much more sense to keep both steaming piles of s**t in one place.

I'm Brian and so's my wife,
Make odslum the Etihad of Yorkshire? Really, you can't be serious?
Now now Tim but Dim my Sweety you should not be so nasty, the last time I had to point things out you ended up blubbing over your keyboard!! denying you were gay (LOL) how you had driven many miles and were oh so tired and put your foot in your mouth. I owned you then and still do, so be a nice boy and keep to the point and not come out with bitchy things.You are a one really ****
You aren't bright enough to own anything pal, even the stars on your McDonalds badge belong to them.
Once you start silly name calling you know your beaten.

Oh by the way, Mumby was crap.
[quote][p][bold]Mumby was the best[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Shelfrhino[/bold] wrote: This seems to make perfect sense, why have two separate grounds when it would make much more sense to keep both steaming piles of s**t in one place. I'm Brian and so's my wife, Make odslum the Etihad of Yorkshire? Really, you can't be serious?[/p][/quote]Now now Tim but Dim my Sweety you should not be so nasty, the last time I had to point things out you ended up blubbing over your keyboard!! denying you were gay (LOL) how you had driven many miles and were oh so tired and put your foot in your mouth. I owned you then and still do, so be a nice boy and keep to the point and not come out with bitchy things.You are a one really ****[/p][/quote]You aren't bright enough to own anything pal, even the stars on your McDonalds badge belong to them. Once you start silly name calling you know your beaten. Oh by the way, Mumby was crap. Shelfrhino
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5:48pm Thu 9 Aug 12

Mumby was the best says...

Oh you are awful but I like you kissy kissy
Oh you are awful but I like you kissy kissy Mumby was the best
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5:49pm Thu 9 Aug 12

arhmen aleg says...

Mike Strutter wrote:
arhmen aleg wrote:
nowt fresh wrote:
Mumby was the best wrote: Hi Betty you say "As far as rugby is concerned it's anybody but the bulls for me. Any joining with them would make it difficult to keep supporting City to the extent that I do. I'm not the only one that feels this way and I'm sure there are a lot of bulls fans that feel similar about us." Can I ask why you feel that way? You say lots of fans feel that way, I`ve never found that, I`m not denying there aren`t any but I`m sure not that many. What have the Bulls done wrong to you personally to have so much venom?
She's in a minority on this one Mumby I as a City fan for over 55 years want any Bradford club to survive and prosper (and that includes) Avenue no grudges held here, sad old Betty LOL.
Well said. I too wish the best for all three of Brafords clubs. But please dont think Avenue are in any position to bid. Or Mark And Julian on their own. Someone posted some thread that the VP dressing rooms have been altered to accomadate rugby. The ABC have withdrawn. Nobby stated Bradford City also need a future or words to that effect. Methinks the changing of the goalposts is merely a change required as things were not progresssing due to the stringent conditions the RFL maybe set. And quite right too. i believe the funding will be coming from the same parties. It is just the lead that is changed. Yes there are extremely complicated legal issues with THe RFL ,Flamingo Land Pension Fund,BCFC directors guarantees,Bradford Council conditions of giving away the lease 10 years ago (and a package of 5 million to the Bulls frittered)to overcome in all this. Plus 1.5 million of debt that the RFL want paying. It is going to take a lot of skill and negotiation to overcome all this and do what willl ultimately be best for the long term survival of all Brafords cherished sport institutions. But it appears there is a serious WILL. And those that have that WILL will take no notice of the small minded individuals on here that cannot see the bigger picture of the long term common good. Odsal would be best developed. The RFL could still play a big part They have 25 million Reality reckons. they are a big brand. Nigel Wood is a Bradford lad. I hope it all works for the best. why do they play finals at Old Trafford when there is the potential here to join p and create a truly magnificent sporting centre with other parties. Not a Wembley of the North as noone has the 800 million that cost to rebuild. But if clubs like Leicester Tigers can develop a ground fit for purpose then The 3 (and Avenue along aswell )could make something truly epic with the odsal site. Noone has the money or access to funding on their own. But a partnership to create a Stadium Village up there could if the falling out could be negotiated.
Why do they play the grand final in Manchester ? I can't believe you are dumb enough to ask that ! First of all it's a great stadium with a massive capacity and secondly whilst in an industrial estate it's not far from a good night out. Now if Bradford was lucky enough to have a stadium to rival old Trafford you would have to travel to Leeds for a good night out. Remind me again , is it April 1st ?
Thank you for the insult.
I fully understand why they play it there now.

But the potential is in the Odsal site to have their own top class stadium.

The Glaziers will I am sure take one hell of a cut.

Whats a good night out got to do with it.

Odsal is in prime location for access at a midpoint between liverpool and hull.

How many attend these Grand Finals the capacity been 67000 at Old Trafford.?

So running professional sport is prioratising where a good night out is found.Well no its not April 1 its one step from the asylum.

Struutt Off.
[quote][p][bold]Mike Strutter[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]arhmen aleg[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]nowt fresh[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Mumby was the best[/bold] wrote: Hi Betty you say "As far as rugby is concerned it's anybody but the bulls for me. Any joining with them would make it difficult to keep supporting City to the extent that I do. I'm not the only one that feels this way and I'm sure there are a lot of bulls fans that feel similar about us." Can I ask why you feel that way? You say lots of fans feel that way, I`ve never found that, I`m not denying there aren`t any but I`m sure not that many. What have the Bulls done wrong to you personally to have so much venom?[/p][/quote]She's in a minority on this one Mumby I as a City fan for over 55 years want any Bradford club to survive and prosper (and that includes) Avenue no grudges held here, sad old Betty LOL.[/p][/quote]Well said. I too wish the best for all three of Brafords clubs. But please dont think Avenue are in any position to bid. Or Mark And Julian on their own. Someone posted some thread that the VP dressing rooms have been altered to accomadate rugby. The ABC have withdrawn. Nobby stated Bradford City also need a future or words to that effect. Methinks the changing of the goalposts is merely a change required as things were not progresssing due to the stringent conditions the RFL maybe set. And quite right too. i believe the funding will be coming from the same parties. It is just the lead that is changed. Yes there are extremely complicated legal issues with THe RFL ,Flamingo Land Pension Fund,BCFC directors guarantees,Bradford Council conditions of giving away the lease 10 years ago (and a package of 5 million to the Bulls frittered)to overcome in all this. Plus 1.5 million of debt that the RFL want paying. It is going to take a lot of skill and negotiation to overcome all this and do what willl ultimately be best for the long term survival of all Brafords cherished sport institutions. But it appears there is a serious WILL. And those that have that WILL will take no notice of the small minded individuals on here that cannot see the bigger picture of the long term common good. Odsal would be best developed. The RFL could still play a big part They have 25 million Reality reckons. they are a big brand. Nigel Wood is a Bradford lad. I hope it all works for the best. why do they play finals at Old Trafford when there is the potential here to join p and create a truly magnificent sporting centre with other parties. Not a Wembley of the North as noone has the 800 million that cost to rebuild. But if clubs like Leicester Tigers can develop a ground fit for purpose then The 3 (and Avenue along aswell )could make something truly epic with the odsal site. Noone has the money or access to funding on their own. But a partnership to create a Stadium Village up there could if the falling out could be negotiated.[/p][/quote]Why do they play the grand final in Manchester ? I can't believe you are dumb enough to ask that ! First of all it's a great stadium with a massive capacity and secondly whilst in an industrial estate it's not far from a good night out. Now if Bradford was lucky enough to have a stadium to rival old Trafford you would have to travel to Leeds for a good night out. Remind me again , is it April 1st ?[/p][/quote]Thank you for the insult. I fully understand why they play it there now. But the potential is in the Odsal site to have their own top class stadium. The Glaziers will I am sure take one hell of a cut. Whats a good night out got to do with it. Odsal is in prime location for access at a midpoint between liverpool and hull. How many attend these Grand Finals the capacity been 67000 at Old Trafford.? So running professional sport is prioratising where a good night out is found.Well no its not April 1 its one step from the asylum. Struutt Off. arhmen aleg
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5:53pm Thu 9 Aug 12

trueBradfordian says...

It's magic!

Bradford City are suddenly transformed from being an impoverished club that could scarcely pay the rent to a cash-rich enterprise that is looking to divesify through acquisition. Wonderful!!!!

And wonderful for Bradford Bulls, too. Now EVERYONE wants to buy the club. Mr Guillefoyle is spoilt for choice.

Of course, the obvious answer is fo all these bidders to join together in one Super Consortium. If they pool their resources, surely they can pay the club's debts, pay the wages, buy the lease back, rebuild Odsal and strengthen the team. This makes so much sense because all these bidders have the welfare of the club at heart, and none of them are in it for personal gain.

I look forward to reading about the unconditional consolidated bid from the ABCSLEOmarBCFC consortium.
It's magic! Bradford City are suddenly transformed from being an impoverished club that could scarcely pay the rent to a cash-rich enterprise that is looking to divesify through acquisition. Wonderful!!!! And wonderful for Bradford Bulls, too. Now EVERYONE wants to buy the club. Mr Guillefoyle is spoilt for choice. Of course, the obvious answer is fo all these bidders to join together in one Super Consortium. If they pool their resources, surely they can pay the club's debts, pay the wages, buy the lease back, rebuild Odsal and strengthen the team. This makes so much sense because all these bidders have the welfare of the club at heart, and none of them are in it for personal gain. I look forward to reading about the unconditional consolidated bid from the ABCSLEOmarBCFC consortium. trueBradfordian
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5:54pm Thu 9 Aug 12

Mumby was the best says...

By the way as Steampigs said Living in Shelf supporting Rhinos having a new born child it`s rather silly to call both Bradford teams a pile of sh**. When you would not be that hard to locate.
You only talk hard because you sit behind a keyboard and for some reason better known to yourself you like to attempt to wind people up who you have never met, BAFFLING
By the way as Steampigs said Living in Shelf supporting Rhinos having a new born child it`s rather silly to call both Bradford teams a pile of sh**. When you would not be that hard to locate. You only talk hard because you sit behind a keyboard and for some reason better known to yourself you like to attempt to wind people up who you have never met, BAFFLING Mumby was the best
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6:22pm Thu 9 Aug 12

scandanavian's love child52 says...

Are you saying you would try find him and beat him up mumby ?
Are you saying you would try find him and beat him up mumby ? scandanavian's love child52
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6:26pm Thu 9 Aug 12

lonniejockstrap says...

Bacon Bantam wrote:
LuvFootball wrote:
Bacon Bantam wrote:
LuvFootball wrote: To everybody moaning about how Rhodes/Lawn spend THEIR money, what God **** business is it of your's? How would you like it if anyone told you you have got no right and can not go to the pub because you didn't buy your neighbour a bottle of wine? If you don't like how Rhodes/Lawn spend THEIR money, spend your own God **** money and buy them out or STF up. People like that do my head in more than the people that moan about either City or the Bulls. Grow up.
Where has this rant come from???????
Look at some of the earlier posts on here from City fans moaning that we have the cash to buy the Bulls but not enough cash to splash it out at VP.
Someone said it before, Valley Parade will not be sold to BCFC whilst Rhodes or Lawn are at the club.

Some fans would moan at anything but thats the truth of the matter.

Also Valley Parade is rumoured to be £5m where as this bid would only require coving of the debts £1.5m and funds to go forward which would also be raised via season ticket monies etc.
Mr Gibb offered to sell the ground but the price was said to be too high an asking price -I believe it was around £3.5 million. So, Gibb is prepared to sell.
[quote][p][bold]Bacon Bantam[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]LuvFootball[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Bacon Bantam[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]LuvFootball[/bold] wrote: To everybody moaning about how Rhodes/Lawn spend THEIR money, what God **** business is it of your's? How would you like it if anyone told you you have got no right and can not go to the pub because you didn't buy your neighbour a bottle of wine? If you don't like how Rhodes/Lawn spend THEIR money, spend your own God **** money and buy them out or STF up. People like that do my head in more than the people that moan about either City or the Bulls. Grow up.[/p][/quote]Where has this rant come from???????[/p][/quote]Look at some of the earlier posts on here from City fans moaning that we have the cash to buy the Bulls but not enough cash to splash it out at VP.[/p][/quote]Someone said it before, Valley Parade will not be sold to BCFC whilst Rhodes or Lawn are at the club. Some fans would moan at anything but thats the truth of the matter. Also Valley Parade is rumoured to be £5m where as this bid would only require coving of the debts £1.5m and funds to go forward which would also be raised via season ticket monies etc.[/p][/quote]Mr Gibb offered to sell the ground but the price was said to be too high an asking price -I believe it was around £3.5 million. So, Gibb is prepared to sell. lonniejockstrap
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6:38pm Thu 9 Aug 12

lonniejockstrap says...

I think we need to hear the business plan that 'Bradford City Football Club' has in mind for the takeover of the Bulls.
I think we need to hear the business plan that 'Bradford City Football Club' has in mind for the takeover of the Bulls. lonniejockstrap
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6:50pm Thu 9 Aug 12

mdn says...

LuvFootball wrote:
Just one other thought regards the Lease. I am sure if the lease is affordable, any new owner can pay it, but it does not mean that the club has to play there, so for arguments sake let's say City buy the Bulls, paying a lease of £100k a year for Odsal, there is nothing to stop the Bulls playing at City and then City doing as they wish with Odsal. The ground could be used as a training ground for both clubs, it could be used for the reserves and the youth set up. There have been issues with looking for training facilities for our club, and Odsal could be a "cheap" solution for what it can offer. Not to mention City could still lease out Odsal for major cup ties or other events.

Odsal a training ground, a reserves ground and a youth ground. That is IF there is a lease that can not be broken. Might sound far fetched, but that would cut down on staffing, it would cut down on running costs operating 2 stadia for match days and could increase sponsorship values at VP.

Just a thought that noone on here has thought of. Does anybody really know if any new owners would be stuck in paying a lease for Odsal?
nothing stopping Bulls playing their games at VP EXCEPT the clause in the odsal settlement that ties us into playing 90% of our home games at odsal until 2019. Failure to do so means paying council a big chunk of settement back, currently about 1.9million iirc, which any buyer would have become liable for.
[quote][p][bold]LuvFootball[/bold] wrote: Just one other thought regards the Lease. I am sure if the lease is affordable, any new owner can pay it, but it does not mean that the club has to play there, so for arguments sake let's say City buy the Bulls, paying a lease of £100k a year for Odsal, there is nothing to stop the Bulls playing at City and then City doing as they wish with Odsal. The ground could be used as a training ground for both clubs, it could be used for the reserves and the youth set up. There have been issues with looking for training facilities for our club, and Odsal could be a "cheap" solution for what it can offer. Not to mention City could still lease out Odsal for major cup ties or other events. Odsal a training ground, a reserves ground and a youth ground. That is IF there is a lease that can not be broken. Might sound far fetched, but that would cut down on staffing, it would cut down on running costs operating 2 stadia for match days and could increase sponsorship values at VP. Just a thought that noone on here has thought of. Does anybody really know if any new owners would be stuck in paying a lease for Odsal?[/p][/quote]nothing stopping Bulls playing their games at VP EXCEPT the clause in the odsal settlement that ties us into playing 90% of our home games at odsal until 2019. Failure to do so means paying council a big chunk of settement back, currently about 1.9million iirc, which any buyer would have become liable for. mdn
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6:56pm Thu 9 Aug 12

Mumby was the best says...

scandanavian's love child52 wrote:
Are you saying you would try find him and beat him up mumby ?
You ought to he called your team a pile of steaming sh** as well
[quote][p][bold]scandanavian's love child52[/bold] wrote: Are you saying you would try find him and beat him up mumby ?[/p][/quote]You ought to he called your team a pile of steaming sh** as well Mumby was the best
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7:18pm Thu 9 Aug 12

raisemeup says...

Bacon Bantam wrote:
ricky76 wrote:
raisemeup wrote:
ricky76 wrote:
flashdonut wrote: Bulls fan here. My honest opinion is it is about time. Share resources, share staff, share facilities. The best way forward. One clb doctor, one physion, one groundsamn. A few people will lose their job, that is a shame. But times are hard. People are out of work all over. The clubs should 'merge' and reduce overheads. Hull FC & Hull City share, as do Wigan's. Has to be done. . Question is, where? Bulls to VP? Best stadium without a doubt. Location is iffy, not for where it is but Odsal is bang next to motorway. But Odsal is a dump, no doubting. Most amateur clubs have better facilities.
A very sensible post although a city fan through and through I like to see the Bulls do well too and its about time the clubs maybe looked at about sharing.Osdal has a great history in terms of Rugby and not forgetting the likes of speedway however the place quite bluntly needs a heck of a load of redeveloping to anywhere near the standard required to suit both parties. Valley Parade has its own history of course but the main thing is its a ground that is modern and although many Bulls fans may say in a bad location it meets the standard for both clubs at this moment in time so if the bulls need to survive surely in the short term at least it makes sense to play at Valley Parade.
Another sensible post there. The best answer is always in the detail: Two scenario's both attractive. But in the long term, the best development is Odsal. The room for expansion and development is there. and in a way we have a blank canvas, so to speak. It will take time, but I am sure with the collective will of all parties, hopefully one day we will see the "sporting village" scene in Bradford. At least someone has the vision, lets hope the silly protectionalists., we encounter, don't hold the sway they think they do. Vision and progress is what we need, I think a big wadge of cash is also useful. Sadly that's a commodity everyone says they haven't got,even when they have. ie if you ever ask for investment the stock answer is: "The trouble, is there's no money?".
Like say short term VP has got to be the answer long term I can see a new ground being built away from existing stadium like Hull Wigan and Huddersfield have done.
The council are skint so they couldn't fund a new stadium, also Bulls haven't got a pot to pi55 in. City have suprised me with this bid but have no where near the money required to get a stadium projected past the drawing board.

You might be able to see a new ground being built but please can you tell us where you see the money coming from?
Like I say, you have given the stock answer..
If there is a future in the investment, and investors can see an overall profit.
Plus council's and government can see it benefitting thier communities, which in turn attracts business form Europe and European money, plus lottery grants etc. etc.

You will be amazed my friend where it will come from.

You have to open your mind, think of the future. The past has gone and today will soon be tomorrow, work that one out.
[quote][p][bold]Bacon Bantam[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]ricky76[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]raisemeup[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]ricky76[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]flashdonut[/bold] wrote: Bulls fan here. My honest opinion is it is about time. Share resources, share staff, share facilities. The best way forward. One clb doctor, one physion, one groundsamn. A few people will lose their job, that is a shame. But times are hard. People are out of work all over. The clubs should 'merge' and reduce overheads. Hull FC & Hull City share, as do Wigan's. Has to be done. . Question is, where? Bulls to VP? Best stadium without a doubt. Location is iffy, not for where it is but Odsal is bang next to motorway. But Odsal is a dump, no doubting. Most amateur clubs have better facilities.[/p][/quote]A very sensible post although a city fan through and through I like to see the Bulls do well too and its about time the clubs maybe looked at about sharing.Osdal has a great history in terms of Rugby and not forgetting the likes of speedway however the place quite bluntly needs a heck of a load of redeveloping to anywhere near the standard required to suit both parties. Valley Parade has its own history of course but the main thing is its a ground that is modern and although many Bulls fans may say in a bad location it meets the standard for both clubs at this moment in time so if the bulls need to survive surely in the short term at least it makes sense to play at Valley Parade.[/p][/quote]Another sensible post there. The best answer is always in the detail: Two scenario's both attractive. But in the long term, the best development is Odsal. The room for expansion and development is there. and in a way we have a blank canvas, so to speak. It will take time, but I am sure with the collective will of all parties, hopefully one day we will see the "sporting village" scene in Bradford. At least someone has the vision, lets hope the silly protectionalists., we encounter, don't hold the sway they think they do. Vision and progress is what we need, I think a big wadge of cash is also useful. Sadly that's a commodity everyone says they haven't got,even when they have. ie if you ever ask for investment the stock answer is: "The trouble, is there's no money?".[/p][/quote]Like say short term VP has got to be the answer long term I can see a new ground being built away from existing stadium like Hull Wigan and Huddersfield have done.[/p][/quote]The council are skint so they couldn't fund a new stadium, also Bulls haven't got a pot to pi55 in. City have suprised me with this bid but have no where near the money required to get a stadium projected past the drawing board. You might be able to see a new ground being built but please can you tell us where you see the money coming from?[/p][/quote]Like I say, you have given the stock answer.. If there is a future in the investment, and investors can see an overall profit. Plus council's and government can see it benefitting thier communities, which in turn attracts business form Europe and European money, plus lottery grants etc. etc. You will be amazed my friend where it will come from. You have to open your mind, think of the future. The past has gone and today will soon be tomorrow, work that one out. raisemeup
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7:30pm Thu 9 Aug 12

raisemeup says...

Shelfrhino wrote:
This seems to make perfect sense, why have two separate grounds when it would make much more sense to keep both steaming piles of s**t in one place.

I'm Brian and so's my wife,
Make odslum the Etihad of Yorkshire? Really, you can't be serious?
Absolutely see what Manchester did with a large chunk of waste ground.

And headingley wasn't always the superb venue it is now.

The difference is with Odsal there is a chance and opportunity for vast improvement, unlike you who will never get the message or show any improvement., whatsoever.
[quote][p][bold]Shelfrhino[/bold] wrote: This seems to make perfect sense, why have two separate grounds when it would make much more sense to keep both steaming piles of s**t in one place. I'm Brian and so's my wife, Make odslum the Etihad of Yorkshire? Really, you can't be serious?[/p][/quote]Absolutely see what Manchester did with a large chunk of waste ground. And headingley wasn't always the superb venue it is now. The difference is with Odsal there is a chance and opportunity for vast improvement, unlike you who will never get the message or show any improvement., whatsoever. raisemeup
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7:39pm Thu 9 Aug 12

arhmen aleg says...

mdn wrote:
LuvFootball wrote: Just one other thought regards the Lease. I am sure if the lease is affordable, any new owner can pay it, but it does not mean that the club has to play there, so for arguments sake let's say City buy the Bulls, paying a lease of £100k a year for Odsal, there is nothing to stop the Bulls playing at City and then City doing as they wish with Odsal. The ground could be used as a training ground for both clubs, it could be used for the reserves and the youth set up. There have been issues with looking for training facilities for our club, and Odsal could be a "cheap" solution for what it can offer. Not to mention City could still lease out Odsal for major cup ties or other events. Odsal a training ground, a reserves ground and a youth ground. That is IF there is a lease that can not be broken. Might sound far fetched, but that would cut down on staffing, it would cut down on running costs operating 2 stadia for match days and could increase sponsorship values at VP. Just a thought that noone on here has thought of. Does anybody really know if any new owners would be stuck in paying a lease for Odsal?
nothing stopping Bulls playing their games at VP EXCEPT the clause in the odsal settlement that ties us into playing 90% of our home games at odsal until 2019. Failure to do so means paying council a big chunk of settement back, currently about 1.9million iirc, which any buyer would have become liable for.
Absolutely on the nail about the clawback penalty.
All parties (including the council) need to be involved and probably are.

Including the council the former sports minister and all Bradfords sporting clubs.
[quote][p][bold]mdn[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]LuvFootball[/bold] wrote: Just one other thought regards the Lease. I am sure if the lease is affordable, any new owner can pay it, but it does not mean that the club has to play there, so for arguments sake let's say City buy the Bulls, paying a lease of £100k a year for Odsal, there is nothing to stop the Bulls playing at City and then City doing as they wish with Odsal. The ground could be used as a training ground for both clubs, it could be used for the reserves and the youth set up. There have been issues with looking for training facilities for our club, and Odsal could be a "cheap" solution for what it can offer. Not to mention City could still lease out Odsal for major cup ties or other events. Odsal a training ground, a reserves ground and a youth ground. That is IF there is a lease that can not be broken. Might sound far fetched, but that would cut down on staffing, it would cut down on running costs operating 2 stadia for match days and could increase sponsorship values at VP. Just a thought that noone on here has thought of. Does anybody really know if any new owners would be stuck in paying a lease for Odsal?[/p][/quote]nothing stopping Bulls playing their games at VP EXCEPT the clause in the odsal settlement that ties us into playing 90% of our home games at odsal until 2019. Failure to do so means paying council a big chunk of settement back, currently about 1.9million iirc, which any buyer would have become liable for.[/p][/quote]Absolutely on the nail about the clawback penalty. All parties (including the council) need to be involved and probably are. Including the council the former sports minister and all Bradfords sporting clubs. arhmen aleg
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8:07pm Thu 9 Aug 12

Bikenshaw Illy says...

LuvFootball wrote:
Prisoner Cell Block A wrote:
You don't get to vote, why should you, your pots are broke, when people pee it runs all over the floor. Businessmen are trying to buy a business, they now do not care what you think, what you want. They will either buy and save the business, hopefully taking it on from there and strengthening it or it will be rejected again. At no point during any of this will you or any other Bulls/City fan get a say.

Accept the morsels of food thrown your way as beggars do.
Agree with you there. You hear that if someone is a paying fan they SHOULD have a say what the owners do. Why should we? I have paid hundreds on Microsoft software, should that give me a right to tell Bill gates what he can spend his money on? I have spent thousands on Virgin products, does that give me a say what companies Richard Branson can buy or industries he can buy into? I have spent thousands on Ford, Skoda and Vauxhall products, does that give me a right to tell Ford, VW or General motors which manufacturers they can buy and sell?

Once you spend your money on a season ticket, that money is no longer your's believe it or not, and have no right on how to say that money is then spent. That money then becomes the property of the owner of said company.

All sets of fans should welcome this, IF it isn't viable, City will just cut ties, but look at Rhinos and Tykes, look at Hull, Wigan and more recently look at Ashley looking to invest into Rangers. Because someone owns 1 club that does not mean they can not own another or invest elsewhere, especially if there are benefits for both clubs.

There are many petty idiots on these blogs, Ken Morrison is slated because he doesn't waste millions on City. To be honest, if I was as rich as him, I really wouldn't put it into City or the Bulls, but I am thankful that there are people that are and the ones running City I do trust.
Sure your not ML in disguise? Seariously think you are pal. Readers read this guys posts!
[quote][p][bold]LuvFootball[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Prisoner Cell Block A[/bold] wrote: You don't get to vote, why should you, your pots are broke, when people pee it runs all over the floor. Businessmen are trying to buy a business, they now do not care what you think, what you want. They will either buy and save the business, hopefully taking it on from there and strengthening it or it will be rejected again. At no point during any of this will you or any other Bulls/City fan get a say. Accept the morsels of food thrown your way as beggars do.[/p][/quote]Agree with you there. You hear that if someone is a paying fan they SHOULD have a say what the owners do. Why should we? I have paid hundreds on Microsoft software, should that give me a right to tell Bill gates what he can spend his money on? I have spent thousands on Virgin products, does that give me a say what companies Richard Branson can buy or industries he can buy into? I have spent thousands on Ford, Skoda and Vauxhall products, does that give me a right to tell Ford, VW or General motors which manufacturers they can buy and sell? Once you spend your money on a season ticket, that money is no longer your's believe it or not, and have no right on how to say that money is then spent. That money then becomes the property of the owner of said company. All sets of fans should welcome this, IF it isn't viable, City will just cut ties, but look at Rhinos and Tykes, look at Hull, Wigan and more recently look at Ashley looking to invest into Rangers. Because someone owns 1 club that does not mean they can not own another or invest elsewhere, especially if there are benefits for both clubs. There are many petty idiots on these blogs, Ken Morrison is slated because he doesn't waste millions on City. To be honest, if I was as rich as him, I really wouldn't put it into City or the Bulls, but I am thankful that there are people that are and the ones running City I do trust.[/p][/quote]Sure your not ML in disguise? Seariously think you are pal. Readers read this guys posts! Bikenshaw Illy
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8:17pm Thu 9 Aug 12

Mumby was the best says...

Could be an unamed solicitor from Leeds as well.
Could be an unamed solicitor from Leeds as well. Mumby was the best
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8:21pm Thu 9 Aug 12

chapel house bantam says...

hull,wigan,huddesfie
ld=successful partners, why is bradford so different?grow up, and move with the times and the economical state of the world!city use the stadium 25/28 days a year if we get a cup run (lol). bulls use odsal 13/16 times a year! do the maths yourself?
hull,wigan,huddesfie ld=successful partners, why is bradford so different?grow up, and move with the times and the economical state of the world!city use the stadium 25/28 days a year if we get a cup run (lol). bulls use odsal 13/16 times a year! do the maths yourself? chapel house bantam
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8:22pm Thu 9 Aug 12

theviking62 says...

Three things folks, 1) NO ground share, bulls at odsal, rfl condition. 2) will be run as separate businesses. 3) do we know WHO is providing the money. NO. It won't be City, as a club. But could be Rhodes and Lawn out of their own pocket or just Rhodes.
Three things folks, 1) NO ground share, bulls at odsal, rfl condition. 2) will be run as separate businesses. 3) do we know WHO is providing the money. NO. It won't be City, as a club. But could be Rhodes and Lawn out of their own pocket or just Rhodes. theviking62
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8:44pm Thu 9 Aug 12

Mumby was the best says...

theviking62 wrote:
Three things folks, 1) NO ground share, bulls at odsal, rfl condition. 2) will be run as separate businesses. 3) do we know WHO is providing the money. NO. It won't be City, as a club. But could be Rhodes and Lawn out of their own pocket or just Rhodes.
It seems if anyone wants the Bulls RL demand no conditions ie you can`t have the lease.
But if you don`t want the lease you still have to have the ground!!!!!
RL should have thought it out before accepting lease in payment from Bulls.
What a mess.
[quote][p][bold]theviking62[/bold] wrote: Three things folks, 1) NO ground share, bulls at odsal, rfl condition. 2) will be run as separate businesses. 3) do we know WHO is providing the money. NO. It won't be City, as a club. But could be Rhodes and Lawn out of their own pocket or just Rhodes.[/p][/quote]It seems if anyone wants the Bulls RL demand no conditions ie you can`t have the lease. But if you don`t want the lease you still have to have the ground!!!!! RL should have thought it out before accepting lease in payment from Bulls. What a mess. Mumby was the best
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8:47pm Thu 9 Aug 12

Wipsi says...

A real tripe shop this, nobody buying it, but plenty talking it.
A real tripe shop this, nobody buying it, but plenty talking it. Wipsi
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8:55pm Thu 9 Aug 12

Spenvalleyspartan says...

Bikenshaw Illy wrote:
LuvFootball wrote:
Prisoner Cell Block A wrote:
You don't get to vote, why should you, your pots are broke, when people pee it runs all over the floor. Businessmen are trying to buy a business, they now do not care what you think, what you want. They will either buy and save the business, hopefully taking it on from there and strengthening it or it will be rejected again. At no point during any of this will you or any other Bulls/City fan get a say.

Accept the morsels of food thrown your way as beggars do.
Agree with you there. You hear that if someone is a paying fan they SHOULD have a say what the owners do. Why should we? I have paid hundreds on Microsoft software, should that give me a right to tell Bill gates what he can spend his money on? I have spent thousands on Virgin products, does that give me a say what companies Richard Branson can buy or industries he can buy into? I have spent thousands on Ford, Skoda and Vauxhall products, does that give me a right to tell Ford, VW or General motors which manufacturers they can buy and sell?

Once you spend your money on a season ticket, that money is no longer your's believe it or not, and have no right on how to say that money is then spent. That money then becomes the property of the owner of said company.

All sets of fans should welcome this, IF it isn't viable, City will just cut ties, but look at Rhinos and Tykes, look at Hull, Wigan and more recently look at Ashley looking to invest into Rangers. Because someone owns 1 club that does not mean they can not own another or invest elsewhere, especially if there are benefits for both clubs.

There are many petty idiots on these blogs, Ken Morrison is slated because he doesn't waste millions on City. To be honest, if I was as rich as him, I really wouldn't put it into City or the Bulls, but I am thankful that there are people that are and the ones running City I do trust.
Sure your not ML in disguise? Seariously think you are pal. Readers read this guys posts!
Yes! It's big Marky alright!
[quote][p][bold]Bikenshaw Illy[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]LuvFootball[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Prisoner Cell Block A[/bold] wrote: You don't get to vote, why should you, your pots are broke, when people pee it runs all over the floor. Businessmen are trying to buy a business, they now do not care what you think, what you want. They will either buy and save the business, hopefully taking it on from there and strengthening it or it will be rejected again. At no point during any of this will you or any other Bulls/City fan get a say. Accept the morsels of food thrown your way as beggars do.[/p][/quote]Agree with you there. You hear that if someone is a paying fan they SHOULD have a say what the owners do. Why should we? I have paid hundreds on Microsoft software, should that give me a right to tell Bill gates what he can spend his money on? I have spent thousands on Virgin products, does that give me a say what companies Richard Branson can buy or industries he can buy into? I have spent thousands on Ford, Skoda and Vauxhall products, does that give me a right to tell Ford, VW or General motors which manufacturers they can buy and sell? Once you spend your money on a season ticket, that money is no longer your's believe it or not, and have no right on how to say that money is then spent. That money then becomes the property of the owner of said company. All sets of fans should welcome this, IF it isn't viable, City will just cut ties, but look at Rhinos and Tykes, look at Hull, Wigan and more recently look at Ashley looking to invest into Rangers. Because someone owns 1 club that does not mean they can not own another or invest elsewhere, especially if there are benefits for both clubs. There are many petty idiots on these blogs, Ken Morrison is slated because he doesn't waste millions on City. To be honest, if I was as rich as him, I really wouldn't put it into City or the Bulls, but I am thankful that there are people that are and the ones running City I do trust.[/p][/quote]Sure your not ML in disguise? Seariously think you are pal. Readers read this guys posts![/p][/quote]Yes! It's big Marky alright! Spenvalleyspartan
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9:28pm Thu 9 Aug 12

DennisTM says...

It would appear that there is no truth to City making a bid for the Bulls. So 182 responses to what is a non story. Thank you for the in depth reporting T&A
It would appear that there is no truth to City making a bid for the Bulls. So 182 responses to what is a non story. Thank you for the in depth reporting T&A DennisTM
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9:38pm Thu 9 Aug 12

theviking62 says...

Dennis TM, another troll, are you. No where can I find any reference to a no bid from city. Get a grip, join the rest of the trolls under that slimy rock, at the bottom of the pond.
Dennis TM, another troll, are you. No where can I find any reference to a no bid from city. Get a grip, join the rest of the trolls under that slimy rock, at the bottom of the pond. theviking62
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9:45pm Thu 9 Aug 12

DennisTM says...

Viking, If you'd care to post your address on here, I'll pop round to discuss it further with you when I'm next in the area. Meanwhile, I'd appreciate it if you wouldn't throw your insults around anymore and maybe when the information is made public, you can issue an apology on here
Viking, If you'd care to post your address on here, I'll pop round to discuss it further with you when I'm next in the area. Meanwhile, I'd appreciate it if you wouldn't throw your insults around anymore and maybe when the information is made public, you can issue an apology on here DennisTM
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10:07pm Thu 9 Aug 12

Anti-Firm says...

DennisTM wrote:
Viking, If you'd care to post your address on here, I'll pop round to discuss it further with you when I'm next in the area. Meanwhile, I'd appreciate it if you wouldn't throw your insults around anymore and maybe when the information is made public, you can issue an apology on here
Don't you just love the warriors of the keyboard!
[quote][p][bold]DennisTM[/bold] wrote: Viking, If you'd care to post your address on here, I'll pop round to discuss it further with you when I'm next in the area. Meanwhile, I'd appreciate it if you wouldn't throw your insults around anymore and maybe when the information is made public, you can issue an apology on here[/p][/quote]Don't you just love the warriors of the keyboard! Anti-Firm
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10:07pm Thu 9 Aug 12

Bikenshaw Illy says...

Never seen so many comments!
One things for sure. If city are after any players where a fee is involved then we can hardly say now sorry we not got much money so can we have him for next to nothing! Lol
Never seen so many comments! One things for sure. If city are after any players where a fee is involved then we can hardly say now sorry we not got much money so can we have him for next to nothing! Lol Bikenshaw Illy
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10:07pm Thu 9 Aug 12

Bikenshaw Illy says...

Never seen so many comments!
One things for sure. If city are after any players where a fee is involved then we can hardly say now sorry we not got much money so can we have him for next to nothing! Lol
Never seen so many comments! One things for sure. If city are after any players where a fee is involved then we can hardly say now sorry we not got much money so can we have him for next to nothing! Lol Bikenshaw Illy
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10:19pm Thu 9 Aug 12

theviking62 says...

Dennis, I stick by what I said. You are saying that the rfl, guilfoyle, Rhodes and the t n a are, in fact liars, think not. Would you care to share with those on here the source of your info. If you wish to meet me face to face I will be the one in a bulls shirt, at odsal tomorrow. Rhodes may withdraw the bid, if that's what you mean, then fine. Also, I never apologise, to anyone, of the likes of you. Don't forget I'm the one in the bulls shirt, are you sure you want to meet me. Can you get from behind your keyboard, if anyone went BOO you'd run smile. Now grow up and get off here NOW.
Dennis, I stick by what I said. You are saying that the rfl, guilfoyle, Rhodes and the t n a are, in fact liars, think not. Would you care to share with those on here the source of your info. If you wish to meet me face to face I will be the one in a bulls shirt, at odsal tomorrow. Rhodes may withdraw the bid, if that's what you mean, then fine. Also, I never apologise, to anyone, of the likes of you. Don't forget I'm the one in the bulls shirt, are you sure you want to meet me. Can you get from behind your keyboard, if anyone went BOO you'd run smile. Now grow up and get off here NOW. theviking62
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10:20pm Thu 9 Aug 12

Reality001 says...

scandanavian's love child52 wrote:
1) ABC make offer: bulls fans "It could be a good thing" Bid rejected, bulls fans "Never wanted them anyway " 2) Gerry Sutcliffe makes offer: bulls fans "It could be a good thing as did not like ABC bid anyway " Bid rejected, bulls fans "GS is a **** anyway and was useless as a union rep and politician.What the hell are RFL doing in all this?" 3) SLE make a bid : bulls fans "We are saved the RFL are brilliant thanks Mr Wood etc " City fans go feck off back to your own forum we are back etc." 4) City make an offer: bulls fans " Lets all embrace change and share ground etc" Some serious backtracking by the bulls fans over past few weeks. What next Viking saying he is my friend !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !
Before going round slagging Gerry Sutcliffe off just remember he was Sports Minister and helped with the team to bring the Olympics to London - What a success !!!
[quote][p][bold]scandanavian's love child52[/bold] wrote: 1) ABC make offer: bulls fans "It could be a good thing" Bid rejected, bulls fans "Never wanted them anyway " 2) Gerry Sutcliffe makes offer: bulls fans "It could be a good thing as did not like ABC bid anyway " Bid rejected, bulls fans "GS is a **** anyway and was useless as a union rep and politician.What the hell are RFL doing in all this?" 3) SLE make a bid : bulls fans "We are saved the RFL are brilliant thanks Mr Wood etc " City fans go feck off back to your own forum we are back etc." 4) City make an offer: bulls fans " Lets all embrace change and share ground etc" Some serious backtracking by the bulls fans over past few weeks. What next Viking saying he is my friend !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! ![/p][/quote]Before going round slagging Gerry Sutcliffe off just remember he was Sports Minister and helped with the team to bring the Olympics to London - What a success !!! Reality001
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10:49pm Thu 9 Aug 12

arhmen aleg says...

Reality001 wrote:
scandanavian's love child52 wrote: 1) ABC make offer: bulls fans "It could be a good thing" Bid rejected, bulls fans "Never wanted them anyway " 2) Gerry Sutcliffe makes offer: bulls fans "It could be a good thing as did not like ABC bid anyway " Bid rejected, bulls fans "GS is a **** anyway and was useless as a union rep and politician.What the hell are RFL doing in all this?" 3) SLE make a bid : bulls fans "We are saved the RFL are brilliant thanks Mr Wood etc " City fans go feck off back to your own forum we are back etc." 4) City make an offer: bulls fans " Lets all embrace change and share ground etc" Some serious backtracking by the bulls fans over past few weeks. What next Viking saying he is my friend !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !
Before going round slagging Gerry Sutcliffe off just remember he was Sports Minister and helped with the team to bring the Olympics to London - What a success !!!
Excellent point Reality.

He may not be able to pull all the sides together on this one but I like you sincerely hope he could.

He wants Odsal retained so probably and obviously would the council and the RFL.

You are quite right earlier to oint out the economics.

VP may be able to be bought back for up to 5 million.
That is what I was told Gibb had in it before some was repurchased last summer.
Someone else reckons he would part for 3.5.

The ground is modern and would satisfy SL criteria in two years.

Odsal could cost anything up to 30 million to bring up to scratch.

But the potential of all the unused space meens other development is possible.

Of course the stands are mechanno sets these days.

Perhaps BCFC could even move the two major stands at VP to Odsal.

And sell the land at VP for another free school or extended free school.

There is no doubt that it is going to be very challenging.

To find a way to meet everyone who currently has interests satisfaction.

You previously posted that SL or RFL were sat on 25 million.

What would be the problems with the RFL moving their HQ to Odsal?

Who knows but at least there appears to be a positive future.

I sincerely hope they all can resolve the issues without the constant rancouring that goes on here.

Get more than a handfull involved and all the animals argue.

i used to be in favour of benevolent dictatorships for the very reason that I believed the best commitee was a commitee of 1.

But Tony Blair came along followed by the even more dreadfull Gordon Brown and demonstrated the complete mess unchecked such behaviour can lead to.

I could say the same about Geoffrey Richmiond,Chris Caisley and Peter Hood.

This story is fascinating all the same
[quote][p][bold]Reality001[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]scandanavian's love child52[/bold] wrote: 1) ABC make offer: bulls fans "It could be a good thing" Bid rejected, bulls fans "Never wanted them anyway " 2) Gerry Sutcliffe makes offer: bulls fans "It could be a good thing as did not like ABC bid anyway " Bid rejected, bulls fans "GS is a **** anyway and was useless as a union rep and politician.What the hell are RFL doing in all this?" 3) SLE make a bid : bulls fans "We are saved the RFL are brilliant thanks Mr Wood etc " City fans go feck off back to your own forum we are back etc." 4) City make an offer: bulls fans " Lets all embrace change and share ground etc" Some serious backtracking by the bulls fans over past few weeks. What next Viking saying he is my friend !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! ![/p][/quote]Before going round slagging Gerry Sutcliffe off just remember he was Sports Minister and helped with the team to bring the Olympics to London - What a success !!![/p][/quote]Excellent point Reality. He may not be able to pull all the sides together on this one but I like you sincerely hope he could. He wants Odsal retained so probably and obviously would the council and the RFL. You are quite right earlier to oint out the economics. VP may be able to be bought back for up to 5 million. That is what I was told Gibb had in it before some was repurchased last summer. Someone else reckons he would part for 3.5. The ground is modern and would satisfy SL criteria in two years. Odsal could cost anything up to 30 million to bring up to scratch. But the potential of all the unused space meens other development is possible. Of course the stands are mechanno sets these days. Perhaps BCFC could even move the two major stands at VP to Odsal. And sell the land at VP for another free school or extended free school. There is no doubt that it is going to be very challenging. To find a way to meet everyone who currently has interests satisfaction. You previously posted that SL or RFL were sat on 25 million. What would be the problems with the RFL moving their HQ to Odsal? Who knows but at least there appears to be a positive future. I sincerely hope they all can resolve the issues without the constant rancouring that goes on here. Get more than a handfull involved and all the animals argue. i used to be in favour of benevolent dictatorships for the very reason that I believed the best commitee was a commitee of 1. But Tony Blair came along followed by the even more dreadfull Gordon Brown and demonstrated the complete mess unchecked such behaviour can lead to. I could say the same about Geoffrey Richmiond,Chris Caisley and Peter Hood. This story is fascinating all the same arhmen aleg
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11:01pm Thu 9 Aug 12

Anti-Firm says...

Two carriage returns between each sentance. I like
Two carriage returns between each sentance. I like Anti-Firm
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11:39pm Thu 9 Aug 12

chin up says...

Well as mentioned earlier us City fans might start to question why we haven't been bidding for players under contract at other clubs?

Whether or not this bid goes through to purchase Bulls, I really hope we get off to a flyer to keep the boo boys away. Even the most level minded fan like myself are wondering what is going on? We were told recently we couldn't afford Taiwo's compensation fee....or was it a case we didn't think it was an appropiate fee?

The other thing is Lawn is saying we shouldn't be expecting stand out signings? Fair enough comment if there is no money to play with, and I'm relatively pleased with squad assembled so far, yet to me if they about to purchase the Bulls (which lets face it will be a few millions) the question about transfer policy comes to mind. I mean can you imagine Parkinson's reaction to this news. Here's a man scrapping around with other clubs for the best freebies, yet there maybe players under contract who demand transfer fees, where a less competitive market is taking place. Lets face it not many clubs in the lower leagues pay significant transfer fees. A million or two for City to spend on players would be brilliant.

Anyway lets hope we start the season well, because Parkinson might also start questioning the club's approach for securing league 1 promotion.....after all it was only this week Lawn said we may need to cut back again if we weren't in mix in January. Foot in mouth really when in the same week we are in the process of buying a Rugby League club.....I think I am more confused than anything with the statements made....Is there a benefactor behind all this? Who knows.....more questions than answers to be honest!
Well as mentioned earlier us City fans might start to question why we haven't been bidding for players under contract at other clubs? Whether or not this bid goes through to purchase Bulls, I really hope we get off to a flyer to keep the boo boys away. Even the most level minded fan like myself are wondering what is going on? We were told recently we couldn't afford Taiwo's compensation fee....or was it a case we didn't think it was an appropiate fee? The other thing is Lawn is saying we shouldn't be expecting stand out signings? Fair enough comment if there is no money to play with, and I'm relatively pleased with squad assembled so far, yet to me if they about to purchase the Bulls (which lets face it will be a few millions) the question about transfer policy comes to mind. I mean can you imagine Parkinson's reaction to this news. Here's a man scrapping around with other clubs for the best freebies, yet there maybe players under contract who demand transfer fees, where a less competitive market is taking place. Lets face it not many clubs in the lower leagues pay significant transfer fees. A million or two for City to spend on players would be brilliant. Anyway lets hope we start the season well, because Parkinson might also start questioning the club's approach for securing league 1 promotion.....after all it was only this week Lawn said we may need to cut back again if we weren't in mix in January. Foot in mouth really when in the same week we are in the process of buying a Rugby League club.....I think I am more confused than anything with the statements made....Is there a benefactor behind all this? Who knows.....more questions than answers to be honest! chin up
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11:43pm Thu 9 Aug 12

bradmat says...

Bradford city do not own a stadium and any deal to own the bulls will give them a chance of actually owning something and odsal will be far cheaper rent than valley parade and shared between 2 clubs.... perfect sense and better location with far more potential
Bradford city do not own a stadium and any deal to own the bulls will give them a chance of actually owning something and odsal will be far cheaper rent than valley parade and shared between 2 clubs.... perfect sense and better location with far more potential bradmat
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12:00am Fri 10 Aug 12

chin up says...

bradmat wrote:
Bradford city do not own a stadium and any deal to own the bulls will give them a chance of actually owning something and odsal will be far cheaper rent than valley parade and shared between 2 clubs.... perfect sense and better location with far more potential
Do you actually know the circumstances of the rental agreement at VP? Stupid comment really. We will have to pay two rents instead if Odsal cant be included in the deal....we cannot break the lease at VP unless we go into admin. That will mean hell breaking lose amongst City fans as we would be taking a 15 point deduction just to save the Bulls, and not only that would mean risking our league status. Your simple 'plan' really isn't that simple.
[quote][p][bold]bradmat[/bold] wrote: Bradford city do not own a stadium and any deal to own the bulls will give them a chance of actually owning something and odsal will be far cheaper rent than valley parade and shared between 2 clubs.... perfect sense and better location with far more potential[/p][/quote]Do you actually know the circumstances of the rental agreement at VP? Stupid comment really. We will have to pay two rents instead if Odsal cant be included in the deal....we cannot break the lease at VP unless we go into admin. That will mean hell breaking lose amongst City fans as we would be taking a 15 point deduction just to save the Bulls, and not only that would mean risking our league status. Your simple 'plan' really isn't that simple. chin up
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12:14am Fri 10 Aug 12

jdsbarras1989 says...

Can I just say that as a fan of both City and the Bulls I have never understood this silly rivalry between this city's two biggest clubs and believe that this could only be a good move for both clubs in the long run as it would allow the clubs to share resources for the future.
Can I just say that as a fan of both City and the Bulls I have never understood this silly rivalry between this city's two biggest clubs and believe that this could only be a good move for both clubs in the long run as it would allow the clubs to share resources for the future. jdsbarras1989
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12:18am Fri 10 Aug 12

arhmen aleg says...

chin up wrote:
bradmat wrote: Bradford city do not own a stadium and any deal to own the bulls will give them a chance of actually owning something and odsal will be far cheaper rent than valley parade and shared between 2 clubs.... perfect sense and better location with far more potential
Do you actually know the circumstances of the rental agreement at VP? Stupid comment really. We will have to pay two rents instead if Odsal cant be included in the deal....we cannot break the lease at VP unless we go into admin. That will mean hell breaking lose amongst City fans as we would be taking a 15 point deduction just to save the Bulls, and not only that would mean risking our league status. Your simple 'plan' really isn't that simple.
yes it is all very complicated is"nt it.

It will need incredible negotiation to bring the bacon home on this.
[quote][p][bold]chin up[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]bradmat[/bold] wrote: Bradford city do not own a stadium and any deal to own the bulls will give them a chance of actually owning something and odsal will be far cheaper rent than valley parade and shared between 2 clubs.... perfect sense and better location with far more potential[/p][/quote]Do you actually know the circumstances of the rental agreement at VP? Stupid comment really. We will have to pay two rents instead if Odsal cant be included in the deal....we cannot break the lease at VP unless we go into admin. That will mean hell breaking lose amongst City fans as we would be taking a 15 point deduction just to save the Bulls, and not only that would mean risking our league status. Your simple 'plan' really isn't that simple.[/p][/quote]yes it is all very complicated is"nt it. It will need incredible negotiation to bring the bacon home on this. arhmen aleg
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12:33am Fri 10 Aug 12

LuvFootball says...

arhmen aleg wrote:
mdn wrote:
LuvFootball wrote: Just one other thought regards the Lease. I am sure if the lease is affordable, any new owner can pay it, but it does not mean that the club has to play there, so for arguments sake let's say City buy the Bulls, paying a lease of £100k a year for Odsal, there is nothing to stop the Bulls playing at City and then City doing as they wish with Odsal. The ground could be used as a training ground for both clubs, it could be used for the reserves and the youth set up. There have been issues with looking for training facilities for our club, and Odsal could be a "cheap" solution for what it can offer. Not to mention City could still lease out Odsal for major cup ties or other events. Odsal a training ground, a reserves ground and a youth ground. That is IF there is a lease that can not be broken. Might sound far fetched, but that would cut down on staffing, it would cut down on running costs operating 2 stadia for match days and could increase sponsorship values at VP. Just a thought that noone on here has thought of. Does anybody really know if any new owners would be stuck in paying a lease for Odsal?
nothing stopping Bulls playing their games at VP EXCEPT the clause in the odsal settlement that ties us into playing 90% of our home games at odsal until 2019. Failure to do so means paying council a big chunk of settement back, currently about 1.9million iirc, which any buyer would have become liable for.
Absolutely on the nail about the clawback penalty.
All parties (including the council) need to be involved and probably are.

Including the council the former sports minister and all Bradfords sporting clubs.
One slight problem there.

No Bulls = No money for anybody and if the SLE do temporarily buy the club till the end of the season, are they responsible for the payments of all debts during that period?

I have been told if City do buy the Bulls, both Bulls and City will be ground sharing at VP.

If the club is not sold both the RFL and SLE will be paying all costs and wages till the end of the season so the club will fulfill all fixtures.

I still think from a business point of view the cheapest and best solution is to create a Phoenix club, that way no wrangles with leases, the council and definitely no debt approaching £2m. Whatever happens, there is not going to be a Bradford club in the Superleague for the next few couple of seasons at least.

The other concern is what will become of Odsal if it isn't hosting games in either of the events that the Bulls are playing elsewhere in their current form or as a new club or if the go bust completely. Desperation on behalf of the RFL as they could very well be stuck with an unused ground and having to pay the council tax and other costs.
[quote][p][bold]arhmen aleg[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]mdn[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]LuvFootball[/bold] wrote: Just one other thought regards the Lease. I am sure if the lease is affordable, any new owner can pay it, but it does not mean that the club has to play there, so for arguments sake let's say City buy the Bulls, paying a lease of £100k a year for Odsal, there is nothing to stop the Bulls playing at City and then City doing as they wish with Odsal. The ground could be used as a training ground for both clubs, it could be used for the reserves and the youth set up. There have been issues with looking for training facilities for our club, and Odsal could be a "cheap" solution for what it can offer. Not to mention City could still lease out Odsal for major cup ties or other events. Odsal a training ground, a reserves ground and a youth ground. That is IF there is a lease that can not be broken. Might sound far fetched, but that would cut down on staffing, it would cut down on running costs operating 2 stadia for match days and could increase sponsorship values at VP. Just a thought that noone on here has thought of. Does anybody really know if any new owners would be stuck in paying a lease for Odsal?[/p][/quote]nothing stopping Bulls playing their games at VP EXCEPT the clause in the odsal settlement that ties us into playing 90% of our home games at odsal until 2019. Failure to do so means paying council a big chunk of settement back, currently about 1.9million iirc, which any buyer would have become liable for.[/p][/quote]Absolutely on the nail about the clawback penalty. All parties (including the council) need to be involved and probably are. Including the council the former sports minister and all Bradfords sporting clubs.[/p][/quote]One slight problem there. No Bulls = No money for anybody and if the SLE do temporarily buy the club till the end of the season, are they responsible for the payments of all debts during that period? I have been told if City do buy the Bulls, both Bulls and City will be ground sharing at VP. If the club is not sold both the RFL and SLE will be paying all costs and wages till the end of the season so the club will fulfill all fixtures. I still think from a business point of view the cheapest and best solution is to create a Phoenix club, that way no wrangles with leases, the council and definitely no debt approaching £2m. Whatever happens, there is not going to be a Bradford club in the Superleague for the next few couple of seasons at least. The other concern is what will become of Odsal if it isn't hosting games in either of the events that the Bulls are playing elsewhere in their current form or as a new club or if the go bust completely. Desperation on behalf of the RFL as they could very well be stuck with an unused ground and having to pay the council tax and other costs. LuvFootball
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12:54am Fri 10 Aug 12

LuvFootball says...

I know this is off topic, but Tom Cleverley could be in line for his England debut next week in the friendly against Italy as some of the older established big names may be omitted.
I know this is off topic, but Tom Cleverley could be in line for his England debut next week in the friendly against Italy as some of the older established big names may be omitted. LuvFootball
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1:43am Fri 10 Aug 12

Shelfrhino says...

Mumby was the best wrote:
By the way as Steampigs said Living in Shelf supporting Rhinos having a new born child it`s rather silly to call both Bradford teams a pile of sh**. When you would not be that hard to locate.
You only talk hard because you sit behind a keyboard and for some reason better known to yourself you like to attempt to wind people up who you have never met, BAFFLING
Here's another clue, for the next month at least I'll be living in my house which was built in the last six years.
If your feeling confident, come on down and introduce yourself, I don't do talking hard via a keyboard, I leave that to idiots like you and the steaming thing.
[quote][p][bold]Mumby was the best[/bold] wrote: By the way as Steampigs said Living in Shelf supporting Rhinos having a new born child it`s rather silly to call both Bradford teams a pile of sh**. When you would not be that hard to locate. You only talk hard because you sit behind a keyboard and for some reason better known to yourself you like to attempt to wind people up who you have never met, BAFFLING[/p][/quote]Here's another clue, for the next month at least I'll be living in my house which was built in the last six years. If your feeling confident, come on down and introduce yourself, I don't do talking hard via a keyboard, I leave that to idiots like you and the steaming thing. Shelfrhino
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2:07am Fri 10 Aug 12

arhmen aleg says...

So BCFC are facing a winter wage bill for 20 SL players still in contract.

Time to ask them to find other clubs now.

And the administrater should be trying to sell them to raise money for the creditors.

If taking the Phoenix approach they willnot be in the championship.

They may even be kicked out of the RFL alltogether.

and after the council gave them a 5 million package to take odsal they could well find alienation from that quarter too.

Very complicated legal issues.

And if CC has analysed this in depth as well as he did the IH fiasco it couldbe a rough ride.Especially if the RFL feel he is behind all the shennanigans
So BCFC are facing a winter wage bill for 20 SL players still in contract. Time to ask them to find other clubs now. And the administrater should be trying to sell them to raise money for the creditors. If taking the Phoenix approach they willnot be in the championship. They may even be kicked out of the RFL alltogether. and after the council gave them a 5 million package to take odsal they could well find alienation from that quarter too. Very complicated legal issues. And if CC has analysed this in depth as well as he did the IH fiasco it couldbe a rough ride.Especially if the RFL feel he is behind all the shennanigans arhmen aleg
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3:55am Fri 10 Aug 12

HongKong says...

chin up wrote:
Well as mentioned earlier us City fans might start to question why we haven't been bidding for players under contract at other clubs? Whether or not this bid goes through to purchase Bulls, I really hope we get off to a flyer to keep the boo boys away. Even the most level minded fan like myself are wondering what is going on? We were told recently we couldn't afford Taiwo's compensation fee....or was it a case we didn't think it was an appropiate fee? The other thing is Lawn is saying we shouldn't be expecting stand out signings? Fair enough comment if there is no money to play with, and I'm relatively pleased with squad assembled so far, yet to me if they about to purchase the Bulls (which lets face it will be a few millions) the question about transfer policy comes to mind. I mean can you imagine Parkinson's reaction to this news. Here's a man scrapping around with other clubs for the best freebies, yet there maybe players under contract who demand transfer fees, where a less competitive market is taking place. Lets face it not many clubs in the lower leagues pay significant transfer fees. A million or two for City to spend on players would be brilliant. Anyway lets hope we start the season well, because Parkinson might also start questioning the club's approach for securing league 1 promotion.....after all it was only this week Lawn said we may need to cut back again if we weren't in mix in January. Foot in mouth really when in the same week we are in the process of buying a Rugby League club.....I think I am more confused than anything with the statements made....Is there a benefactor behind all this? Who knows.....more questions than answers to be honest!
Spending money on players or buying the Bulls is almost certainly two entirely different sources of capital. The cash (if any) to buy the Bulls is not depriving the playing squad budget.

Rhodes and Lawn must beleive they can create additional value to both teams through synergies and reducing the overheads that presumably the merger would bring (shared ground, reduced back office wages, government grants, etc.)

I would imagine the cash for the bid is either backed by an additional investor (or it could even be financed via debt) who is interested in the additional value the proposal to buy the Bulls brings to both clubs (and it could well be the Rhodes family).

I'd think therefore that this new proposal is attracting new cash whereas simply increasing the spending budget on players is not an attractive option. Therefore the bid has no bearing on the playing budget at all....except if the bid is successfull and stregthens the club's financial position (like Lawn and Rhodes must beleive it will) then the playing budget will increase in future years.

Rhodes and Lawn aren't stupid and if (and it is still an if) this goes through and they've got there business plan correct then this can only benefit both clubs.
[quote][p][bold]chin up[/bold] wrote: Well as mentioned earlier us City fans might start to question why we haven't been bidding for players under contract at other clubs? Whether or not this bid goes through to purchase Bulls, I really hope we get off to a flyer to keep the boo boys away. Even the most level minded fan like myself are wondering what is going on? We were told recently we couldn't afford Taiwo's compensation fee....or was it a case we didn't think it was an appropiate fee? The other thing is Lawn is saying we shouldn't be expecting stand out signings? Fair enough comment if there is no money to play with, and I'm relatively pleased with squad assembled so far, yet to me if they about to purchase the Bulls (which lets face it will be a few millions) the question about transfer policy comes to mind. I mean can you imagine Parkinson's reaction to this news. Here's a man scrapping around with other clubs for the best freebies, yet there maybe players under contract who demand transfer fees, where a less competitive market is taking place. Lets face it not many clubs in the lower leagues pay significant transfer fees. A million or two for City to spend on players would be brilliant. Anyway lets hope we start the season well, because Parkinson might also start questioning the club's approach for securing league 1 promotion.....after all it was only this week Lawn said we may need to cut back again if we weren't in mix in January. Foot in mouth really when in the same week we are in the process of buying a Rugby League club.....I think I am more confused than anything with the statements made....Is there a benefactor behind all this? Who knows.....more questions than answers to be honest![/p][/quote]Spending money on players or buying the Bulls is almost certainly two entirely different sources of capital. The cash (if any) to buy the Bulls is not depriving the playing squad budget. Rhodes and Lawn must beleive they can create additional value to both teams through synergies and reducing the overheads that presumably the merger would bring (shared ground, reduced back office wages, government grants, etc.) I would imagine the cash for the bid is either backed by an additional investor (or it could even be financed via debt) who is interested in the additional value the proposal to buy the Bulls brings to both clubs (and it could well be the Rhodes family). I'd think therefore that this new proposal is attracting new cash whereas simply increasing the spending budget on players is not an attractive option. Therefore the bid has no bearing on the playing budget at all....except if the bid is successfull and stregthens the club's financial position (like Lawn and Rhodes must beleive it will) then the playing budget will increase in future years. Rhodes and Lawn aren't stupid and if (and it is still an if) this goes through and they've got there business plan correct then this can only benefit both clubs. HongKong
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3:55am Fri 10 Aug 12

HongKong says...

chin up wrote:
Well as mentioned earlier us City fans might start to question why we haven't been bidding for players under contract at other clubs? Whether or not this bid goes through to purchase Bulls, I really hope we get off to a flyer to keep the boo boys away. Even the most level minded fan like myself are wondering what is going on? We were told recently we couldn't afford Taiwo's compensation fee....or was it a case we didn't think it was an appropiate fee? The other thing is Lawn is saying we shouldn't be expecting stand out signings? Fair enough comment if there is no money to play with, and I'm relatively pleased with squad assembled so far, yet to me if they about to purchase the Bulls (which lets face it will be a few millions) the question about transfer policy comes to mind. I mean can you imagine Parkinson's reaction to this news. Here's a man scrapping around with other clubs for the best freebies, yet there maybe players under contract who demand transfer fees, where a less competitive market is taking place. Lets face it not many clubs in the lower leagues pay significant transfer fees. A million or two for City to spend on players would be brilliant. Anyway lets hope we start the season well, because Parkinson might also start questioning the club's approach for securing league 1 promotion.....after all it was only this week Lawn said we may need to cut back again if we weren't in mix in January. Foot in mouth really when in the same week we are in the process of buying a Rugby League club.....I think I am more confused than anything with the statements made....Is there a benefactor behind all this? Who knows.....more questions than answers to be honest!
Spending money on players or buying the Bulls is almost certainly two entirely different sources of capital. The cash (if any) to buy the Bulls is not depriving the playing squad budget.

Rhodes and Lawn must beleive they can create additional value to both teams through synergies and reducing the overheads that presumably the merger would bring (shared ground, reduced back office wages, government grants, etc.)

I would imagine the cash for the bid is either backed by an additional investor (or it could even be financed via debt) who is interested in the additional value the proposal to buy the Bulls brings to both clubs (and it could well be the Rhodes family).

I'd think therefore that this new proposal is attracting new cash whereas simply increasing the spending budget on players is not an attractive option. Therefore the bid has no bearing on the playing budget at all....except if the bid is successfull and stregthens the club's financial position (like Lawn and Rhodes must beleive it will) then the playing budget will increase in future years.

Rhodes and Lawn aren't stupid and if (and it is still an if) this goes through and they've got there business plan correct then this can only benefit both clubs.
[quote][p][bold]chin up[/bold] wrote: Well as mentioned earlier us City fans might start to question why we haven't been bidding for players under contract at other clubs? Whether or not this bid goes through to purchase Bulls, I really hope we get off to a flyer to keep the boo boys away. Even the most level minded fan like myself are wondering what is going on? We were told recently we couldn't afford Taiwo's compensation fee....or was it a case we didn't think it was an appropiate fee? The other thing is Lawn is saying we shouldn't be expecting stand out signings? Fair enough comment if there is no money to play with, and I'm relatively pleased with squad assembled so far, yet to me if they about to purchase the Bulls (which lets face it will be a few millions) the question about transfer policy comes to mind. I mean can you imagine Parkinson's reaction to this news. Here's a man scrapping around with other clubs for the best freebies, yet there maybe players under contract who demand transfer fees, where a less competitive market is taking place. Lets face it not many clubs in the lower leagues pay significant transfer fees. A million or two for City to spend on players would be brilliant. Anyway lets hope we start the season well, because Parkinson might also start questioning the club's approach for securing league 1 promotion.....after all it was only this week Lawn said we may need to cut back again if we weren't in mix in January. Foot in mouth really when in the same week we are in the process of buying a Rugby League club.....I think I am more confused than anything with the statements made....Is there a benefactor behind all this? Who knows.....more questions than answers to be honest![/p][/quote]Spending money on players or buying the Bulls is almost certainly two entirely different sources of capital. The cash (if any) to buy the Bulls is not depriving the playing squad budget. Rhodes and Lawn must beleive they can create additional value to both teams through synergies and reducing the overheads that presumably the merger would bring (shared ground, reduced back office wages, government grants, etc.) I would imagine the cash for the bid is either backed by an additional investor (or it could even be financed via debt) who is interested in the additional value the proposal to buy the Bulls brings to both clubs (and it could well be the Rhodes family). I'd think therefore that this new proposal is attracting new cash whereas simply increasing the spending budget on players is not an attractive option. Therefore the bid has no bearing on the playing budget at all....except if the bid is successfull and stregthens the club's financial position (like Lawn and Rhodes must beleive it will) then the playing budget will increase in future years. Rhodes and Lawn aren't stupid and if (and it is still an if) this goes through and they've got there business plan correct then this can only benefit both clubs. HongKong
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6:31am Fri 10 Aug 12

Bikenshaw Illy says...

There's some right idiots on here. Most of them bulls fans. Hand bags at dawn! Listen guys if you wanna fight then just meet up somewhere. Sure it will be a right laugh so let me know too. Don't think city should buy the bulls. Think we should stay well clear. Also forget about us moving to odsal as some bulls fans think would be a good idea. Apart from a better location why the hell would we wanna leave a super stadium for that dump! Not up to football league standards anyway so won't happen. Some worry what will happen to odsal if all goes wrong. No worries there as Mr Akbars want to put a restaurant on there!
There's some right idiots on here. Most of them bulls fans. Hand bags at dawn! Listen guys if you wanna fight then just meet up somewhere. Sure it will be a right laugh so let me know too. Don't think city should buy the bulls. Think we should stay well clear. Also forget about us moving to odsal as some bulls fans think would be a good idea. Apart from a better location why the hell would we wanna leave a super stadium for that dump! Not up to football league standards anyway so won't happen. Some worry what will happen to odsal if all goes wrong. No worries there as Mr Akbars want to put a restaurant on there! Bikenshaw Illy
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7:01am Fri 10 Aug 12

Meat Pie says...

Lawn should use this money to buy Messi instead.
Lawn should use this money to buy Messi instead. Meat Pie
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7:07am Fri 10 Aug 12

Laney1989 says...

Can I put this saga to bed?
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I was at the forum last night and Bradford City Football Club have NOT placed any bids what so ever for the Bradford Bulls.
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They simply offered advice and guidance as BCFC have been in the same situation before.
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Late on Wednesday evening there was a bid put in place for the Bulls
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The T&A got wind of this then put two and two together and got 6.
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Very poor reporting in my eyes.
Can I put this saga to bed? . I was at the forum last night and Bradford City Football Club have NOT placed any bids what so ever for the Bradford Bulls. . They simply offered advice and guidance as BCFC have been in the same situation before. . Late on Wednesday evening there was a bid put in place for the Bulls . The T&A got wind of this then put two and two together and got 6. . Very poor reporting in my eyes. Laney1989
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7:08am Fri 10 Aug 12

pjbull says...

Meat Pie wrote:
Lawn should use this money to buy Messi instead.
He is trying to buy Messi but Messi has made it clear that he would only consider moving to Bradford if there was Super League rugby in the City - hence this move from Lawn & Rhodes.
[quote][p][bold]Meat Pie[/bold] wrote: Lawn should use this money to buy Messi instead.[/p][/quote]He is trying to buy Messi but Messi has made it clear that he would only consider moving to Bradford if there was Super League rugby in the City - hence this move from Lawn & Rhodes. pjbull
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7:32am Fri 10 Aug 12

Sheffieldbull says...

Shelfrhino wrote:
Mumby was the best wrote:
By the way as Steampigs said Living in Shelf supporting Rhinos having a new born child it`s rather silly to call both Bradford teams a pile of sh**. When you would not be that hard to locate.
You only talk hard because you sit behind a keyboard and for some reason better known to yourself you like to attempt to wind people up who you have never met, BAFFLING
Here's another clue, for the next month at least I'll be living in my house which was built in the last six years.
If your feeling confident, come on down and introduce yourself, I don't do talking hard via a keyboard, I leave that to idiots like you and the steaming thing.
Which must make your impending eviction even more difficult to take. Hope you've made some plans to look after your partner Brian. Oh! and Timmy (nice but very dim) I told you before to to mind your language and you know how when voices are raised, you get those embarrassing wet patches! Play nicely.
[quote][p][bold]Shelfrhino[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Mumby was the best[/bold] wrote: By the way as Steampigs said Living in Shelf supporting Rhinos having a new born child it`s rather silly to call both Bradford teams a pile of sh**. When you would not be that hard to locate. You only talk hard because you sit behind a keyboard and for some reason better known to yourself you like to attempt to wind people up who you have never met, BAFFLING[/p][/quote]Here's another clue, for the next month at least I'll be living in my house which was built in the last six years. If your feeling confident, come on down and introduce yourself, I don't do talking hard via a keyboard, I leave that to idiots like you and the steaming thing.[/p][/quote]Which must make your impending eviction even more difficult to take. Hope you've made some plans to look after your partner Brian. Oh! and Timmy (nice but very dim) I told you before to to mind your language and you know how when voices are raised, you get those embarrassing wet patches! Play nicely. Sheffieldbull
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8:47am Fri 10 Aug 12

dannbradfc says...

meatpie

;-)....perhaps its lawn who needs a reality check.......or even a cheque ;-)
meatpie ;-)....perhaps its lawn who needs a reality check.......or even a cheque ;-) dannbradfc
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8:51am Fri 10 Aug 12

Scoular's left boot says...

City and Bulls play at V.P.. Then the Avenue,once they are back in football league, could move to Odsal. sorted.....
City and Bulls play at V.P.. Then the Avenue,once they are back in football league, could move to Odsal. sorted..... Scoular's left boot
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8:55am Fri 10 Aug 12

bettyswollocks says...

Mumby was the best wrote:
bettyswollocks wrote:
Mumby was the best wrote: Hi Betty you say "As far as rugby is concerned it's anybody but the bulls for me. Any joining with them would make it difficult to keep supporting City to the extent that I do. I'm not the only one that feels this way and I'm sure there are a lot of bulls fans that feel similar about us." Can I ask why you feel that way? You say lots of fans feel that way, I`ve never found that, I`m not denying there aren`t any but I`m sure not that many. What have the Bulls done wrong to you personally to have so much venom?
There are a lot of reasons for my 'anybody but the bulls' attitude, far too many to put on here. The main one is their arrogant attitude over the years to other local (smaller) clubs, in their transfer dealings, in their genral helpfulness and everything else in general. That only got worse when they rose to the top in their successful spell. Remember the old adage watch who you step on on the way up because you might need them on the way down. What goes around comes around and I do't want them taking my football club with them.
Where has it been reported this arrogant attitude?, who are these local smaller clubs? Whats everything else in general. Methinks your views are tinged with green and not facts, but if thats the way you feel so be it.
I don't know whether it's been reported anywhere, it's my opinion.

It's nothing to do with jealousy or anything else like that, it's an opinion that's been formed over many years from what I've seen myself. I'm absolutely neutral when it comes to RL.
[quote][p][bold]Mumby was the best[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]bettyswollocks[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Mumby was the best[/bold] wrote: Hi Betty you say "As far as rugby is concerned it's anybody but the bulls for me. Any joining with them would make it difficult to keep supporting City to the extent that I do. I'm not the only one that feels this way and I'm sure there are a lot of bulls fans that feel similar about us." Can I ask why you feel that way? You say lots of fans feel that way, I`ve never found that, I`m not denying there aren`t any but I`m sure not that many. What have the Bulls done wrong to you personally to have so much venom?[/p][/quote]There are a lot of reasons for my 'anybody but the bulls' attitude, far too many to put on here. The main one is their arrogant attitude over the years to other local (smaller) clubs, in their transfer dealings, in their genral helpfulness and everything else in general. That only got worse when they rose to the top in their successful spell. Remember the old adage watch who you step on on the way up because you might need them on the way down. What goes around comes around and I do't want them taking my football club with them.[/p][/quote]Where has it been reported this arrogant attitude?, who are these local smaller clubs? Whats everything else in general. Methinks your views are tinged with green and not facts, but if thats the way you feel so be it.[/p][/quote]I don't know whether it's been reported anywhere, it's my opinion. It's nothing to do with jealousy or anything else like that, it's an opinion that's been formed over many years from what I've seen myself. I'm absolutely neutral when it comes to RL. bettyswollocks
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8:56am Fri 10 Aug 12

raisemeup says...

HongKong wrote:
chin up wrote:
Well as mentioned earlier us City fans might start to question why we haven't been bidding for players under contract at other clubs? Whether or not this bid goes through to purchase Bulls, I really hope we get off to a flyer to keep the boo boys away. Even the most level minded fan like myself are wondering what is going on? We were told recently we couldn't afford Taiwo's compensation fee....or was it a case we didn't think it was an appropiate fee? The other thing is Lawn is saying we shouldn't be expecting stand out signings? Fair enough comment if there is no money to play with, and I'm relatively pleased with squad assembled so far, yet to me if they about to purchase the Bulls (which lets face it will be a few millions) the question about transfer policy comes to mind. I mean can you imagine Parkinson's reaction to this news. Here's a man scrapping around with other clubs for the best freebies, yet there maybe players under contract who demand transfer fees, where a less competitive market is taking place. Lets face it not many clubs in the lower leagues pay significant transfer fees. A million or two for City to spend on players would be brilliant. Anyway lets hope we start the season well, because Parkinson might also start questioning the club's approach for securing league 1 promotion.....after all it was only this week Lawn said we may need to cut back again if we weren't in mix in January. Foot in mouth really when in the same week we are in the process of buying a Rugby League club.....I think I am more confused than anything with the statements made....Is there a benefactor behind all this? Who knows.....more questions than answers to be honest!
Spending money on players or buying the Bulls is almost certainly two entirely different sources of capital. The cash (if any) to buy the Bulls is not depriving the playing squad budget.

Rhodes and Lawn must beleive they can create additional value to both teams through synergies and reducing the overheads that presumably the merger would bring (shared ground, reduced back office wages, government grants, etc.)

I would imagine the cash for the bid is either backed by an additional investor (or it could even be financed via debt) who is interested in the additional value the proposal to buy the Bulls brings to both clubs (and it could well be the Rhodes family).

I'd think therefore that this new proposal is attracting new cash whereas simply increasing the spending budget on players is not an attractive option. Therefore the bid has no bearing on the playing budget at all....except if the bid is successfull and stregthens the club's financial position (like Lawn and Rhodes must beleive it will) then the playing budget will increase in future years.

Rhodes and Lawn aren't stupid and if (and it is still an if) this goes through and they've got there business plan correct then this can only benefit both clubs.
That's about on the Mark(no pun intended) reference a really sensible plan.
Someone asked re a post earlier in this long catalogue of posts.

Where's the money coming from.

Generally speaking my reply was "If there's a will there's always a way!"

Thanks youv'e put it far more elequently than I could hope for.
[quote][p][bold]HongKong[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]chin up[/bold] wrote: Well as mentioned earlier us City fans might start to question why we haven't been bidding for players under contract at other clubs? Whether or not this bid goes through to purchase Bulls, I really hope we get off to a flyer to keep the boo boys away. Even the most level minded fan like myself are wondering what is going on? We were told recently we couldn't afford Taiwo's compensation fee....or was it a case we didn't think it was an appropiate fee? The other thing is Lawn is saying we shouldn't be expecting stand out signings? Fair enough comment if there is no money to play with, and I'm relatively pleased with squad assembled so far, yet to me if they about to purchase the Bulls (which lets face it will be a few millions) the question about transfer policy comes to mind. I mean can you imagine Parkinson's reaction to this news. Here's a man scrapping around with other clubs for the best freebies, yet there maybe players under contract who demand transfer fees, where a less competitive market is taking place. Lets face it not many clubs in the lower leagues pay significant transfer fees. A million or two for City to spend on players would be brilliant. Anyway lets hope we start the season well, because Parkinson might also start questioning the club's approach for securing league 1 promotion.....after all it was only this week Lawn said we may need to cut back again if we weren't in mix in January. Foot in mouth really when in the same week we are in the process of buying a Rugby League club.....I think I am more confused than anything with the statements made....Is there a benefactor behind all this? Who knows.....more questions than answers to be honest![/p][/quote]Spending money on players or buying the Bulls is almost certainly two entirely different sources of capital. The cash (if any) to buy the Bulls is not depriving the playing squad budget. Rhodes and Lawn must beleive they can create additional value to both teams through synergies and reducing the overheads that presumably the merger would bring (shared ground, reduced back office wages, government grants, etc.) I would imagine the cash for the bid is either backed by an additional investor (or it could even be financed via debt) who is interested in the additional value the proposal to buy the Bulls brings to both clubs (and it could well be the Rhodes family). I'd think therefore that this new proposal is attracting new cash whereas simply increasing the spending budget on players is not an attractive option. Therefore the bid has no bearing on the playing budget at all....except if the bid is successfull and stregthens the club's financial position (like Lawn and Rhodes must beleive it will) then the playing budget will increase in future years. Rhodes and Lawn aren't stupid and if (and it is still an if) this goes through and they've got there business plan correct then this can only benefit both clubs.[/p][/quote]That's about on the Mark(no pun intended) reference a really sensible plan. Someone asked re a post earlier in this long catalogue of posts. Where's the money coming from. Generally speaking my reply was "If there's a will there's always a way!" Thanks youv'e put it far more elequently than I could hope for. raisemeup
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9:07am Fri 10 Aug 12

raisemeup says...

Shelfrhino wrote:
Mumby was the best wrote:
Shelfrhino wrote:
This seems to make perfect sense, why have two separate grounds when it would make much more sense to keep both steaming piles of s**t in one place.

I'm Brian and so's my wife,
Make odslum the Etihad of Yorkshire? Really, you can't be serious?
Now now Tim but Dim my Sweety you should not be so nasty, the last time I had to point things out you ended up blubbing over your keyboard!! denying you were gay (LOL) how you had driven many miles and were oh so tired and put your foot in your mouth. I owned you then and still do, so be a nice boy and keep to the point and not come out with bitchy things.You are a one really ****
You aren't bright enough to own anything pal, even the stars on your McDonalds badge belong to them.
Once you start silly name calling you know your beaten.

Oh by the way, Mumby was crap.
Be careful there SR, good job you're moving that's where keith lives.. Shelf!

He probably wouldn't soil his hands on you, but his wife?? Different proposition altogether>

By the way, I suspect if all the rumours about you are true.(I wouldn't jknow or even care.Because I don't assume malice, for what stupidity can explain)
You will be relishing tonights game at Leeds agaist Widnes.

Understand it's a Rainbow special, something to do with Gay and Lesbians, I think. Even having a rainbow coloured Ball???

Hope you enjoy it.
[quote][p][bold]Shelfrhino[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Mumby was the best[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Shelfrhino[/bold] wrote: This seems to make perfect sense, why have two separate grounds when it would make much more sense to keep both steaming piles of s**t in one place. I'm Brian and so's my wife, Make odslum the Etihad of Yorkshire? Really, you can't be serious?[/p][/quote]Now now Tim but Dim my Sweety you should not be so nasty, the last time I had to point things out you ended up blubbing over your keyboard!! denying you were gay (LOL) how you had driven many miles and were oh so tired and put your foot in your mouth. I owned you then and still do, so be a nice boy and keep to the point and not come out with bitchy things.You are a one really ****[/p][/quote]You aren't bright enough to own anything pal, even the stars on your McDonalds badge belong to them. Once you start silly name calling you know your beaten. Oh by the way, Mumby was crap.[/p][/quote]Be careful there SR, good job you're moving that's where keith lives.. Shelf! He probably wouldn't soil his hands on you, but his wife?? Different proposition altogether> By the way, I suspect if all the rumours about you are true.(I wouldn't jknow or even care.Because I don't assume malice, for what stupidity can explain) You will be relishing tonights game at Leeds agaist Widnes. Understand it's a Rainbow special, something to do with Gay and Lesbians, I think. Even having a rainbow coloured Ball??? Hope you enjoy it. raisemeup
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9:15am Fri 10 Aug 12

raisemeup says...

Shelfrhino wrote:
Mumby was the best wrote:
Shelfrhino wrote:
This seems to make perfect sense, why have two separate grounds when it would make much more sense to keep both steaming piles of s**t in one place.

I'm Brian and so's my wife,
Make odslum the Etihad of Yorkshire? Really, you can't be serious?
Now now Tim but Dim my Sweety you should not be so nasty, the last time I had to point things out you ended up blubbing over your keyboard!! denying you were gay (LOL) how you had driven many miles and were oh so tired and put your foot in your mouth. I owned you then and still do, so be a nice boy and keep to the point and not come out with bitchy things.You are a one really ****
You aren't bright enough to own anything pal, even the stars on your McDonalds badge belong to them.
Once you start silly name calling you know your beaten.

Oh by the way, Mumby was crap.
Be careful there SR, good job you're moving that's where keith lives.. Shelf!

He probably wouldn't soil his hands on you, but his wife?? Different proposition altogether>

By the way, I suspect if all the rumours about you are true.(I wouldn't jknow or even care.Because I don't assume malice, for what stupidity can explain)
You will be relishing tonights game at Leeds agaist Widnes.

Understand it's a Rainbow special, something to do with Gay and Lesbians, I think. Even having a rainbow coloured Ball???

Hope you enjoy it.
[quote][p][bold]Shelfrhino[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Mumby was the best[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Shelfrhino[/bold] wrote: This seems to make perfect sense, why have two separate grounds when it would make much more sense to keep both steaming piles of s**t in one place. I'm Brian and so's my wife, Make odslum the Etihad of Yorkshire? Really, you can't be serious?[/p][/quote]Now now Tim but Dim my Sweety you should not be so nasty, the last time I had to point things out you ended up blubbing over your keyboard!! denying you were gay (LOL) how you had driven many miles and were oh so tired and put your foot in your mouth. I owned you then and still do, so be a nice boy and keep to the point and not come out with bitchy things.You are a one really ****[/p][/quote]You aren't bright enough to own anything pal, even the stars on your McDonalds badge belong to them. Once you start silly name calling you know your beaten. Oh by the way, Mumby was crap.[/p][/quote]Be careful there SR, good job you're moving that's where keith lives.. Shelf! He probably wouldn't soil his hands on you, but his wife?? Different proposition altogether> By the way, I suspect if all the rumours about you are true.(I wouldn't jknow or even care.Because I don't assume malice, for what stupidity can explain) You will be relishing tonights game at Leeds agaist Widnes. Understand it's a Rainbow special, something to do with Gay and Lesbians, I think. Even having a rainbow coloured Ball??? Hope you enjoy it. raisemeup
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9:46am Fri 10 Aug 12

Mumby was the best says...

raisemeup wrote:
Shelfrhino wrote:
Mumby was the best wrote:
Shelfrhino wrote:
This seems to make perfect sense, why have two separate grounds when it would make much more sense to keep both steaming piles of s**t in one place.

I'm Brian and so's my wife,
Make odslum the Etihad of Yorkshire? Really, you can't be serious?
Now now Tim but Dim my Sweety you should not be so nasty, the last time I had to point things out you ended up blubbing over your keyboard!! denying you were gay (LOL) how you had driven many miles and were oh so tired and put your foot in your mouth. I owned you then and still do, so be a nice boy and keep to the point and not come out with bitchy things.You are a one really ****
You aren't bright enough to own anything pal, even the stars on your McDonalds badge belong to them.
Once you start silly name calling you know your beaten.

Oh by the way, Mumby was crap.
Be careful there SR, good job you're moving that's where keith lives.. Shelf!

He probably wouldn't soil his hands on you, but his wife?? Different proposition altogether>

By the way, I suspect if all the rumours about you are true.(I wouldn't jknow or even care.Because I don't assume malice, for what stupidity can explain)
You will be relishing tonights game at Leeds agaist Widnes.

Understand it's a Rainbow special, something to do with Gay and Lesbians, I think. Even having a rainbow coloured Ball???

Hope you enjoy it.
Priceless :-)
[quote][p][bold]raisemeup[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Shelfrhino[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Mumby was the best[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Shelfrhino[/bold] wrote: This seems to make perfect sense, why have two separate grounds when it would make much more sense to keep both steaming piles of s**t in one place. I'm Brian and so's my wife, Make odslum the Etihad of Yorkshire? Really, you can't be serious?[/p][/quote]Now now Tim but Dim my Sweety you should not be so nasty, the last time I had to point things out you ended up blubbing over your keyboard!! denying you were gay (LOL) how you had driven many miles and were oh so tired and put your foot in your mouth. I owned you then and still do, so be a nice boy and keep to the point and not come out with bitchy things.You are a one really ****[/p][/quote]You aren't bright enough to own anything pal, even the stars on your McDonalds badge belong to them. Once you start silly name calling you know your beaten. Oh by the way, Mumby was crap.[/p][/quote]Be careful there SR, good job you're moving that's where keith lives.. Shelf! He probably wouldn't soil his hands on you, but his wife?? Different proposition altogether> By the way, I suspect if all the rumours about you are true.(I wouldn't jknow or even care.Because I don't assume malice, for what stupidity can explain) You will be relishing tonights game at Leeds agaist Widnes. Understand it's a Rainbow special, something to do with Gay and Lesbians, I think. Even having a rainbow coloured Ball??? Hope you enjoy it.[/p][/quote]Priceless :-) Mumby was the best
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11:27am Fri 10 Aug 12

sydnycat says...

It seems to me that if Bradford City are happy to trundle along in League Two ( fourth Div. to me) then buying the Bulls, by then a Conference team, seals the deal.
The Bulls have a fantastic fan base but the business with excessive wage demands is never going to be viable.
For City, having made such a poor effort to escape from League Two over the last few years, the last thing the limited and over-stretched management need is the distraction of the Bulls.
No doubt Messrs. Lawn and Rhodes have some quaint financial scenario lurking in the back of their minds - there is no altruism involved.
Forget it, CITY, make one decent attempt this season to escape from the bottom tier o of English football.!!!!!!!!
It seems to me that if Bradford City are happy to trundle along in League Two ( fourth Div. to me) then buying the Bulls, by then a Conference team, seals the deal. The Bulls have a fantastic fan base but the business with excessive wage demands is never going to be viable. For City, having made such a poor effort to escape from League Two over the last few years, the last thing the limited and over-stretched management need is the distraction of the Bulls. No doubt Messrs. Lawn and Rhodes have some quaint financial scenario lurking in the back of their minds - there is no altruism involved. Forget it, CITY, make one decent attempt this season to escape from the bottom tier o of English football.!!!!!!!! sydnycat
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11:57am Fri 10 Aug 12

Prisoner Cell Block A says...

Yes, well said, the bulls have a much bigger fan base than City. Now get back to knitting Kangaroos mittens.
Yes, well said, the bulls have a much bigger fan base than City. Now get back to knitting Kangaroos mittens. Prisoner Cell Block A
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1:35pm Fri 10 Aug 12

tyker2 says...

see that this serious issue has now become nothing more than a slanging match between people trading insults.

What do these people want: two viable clubs or two zero. clubs
see that this serious issue has now become nothing more than a slanging match between people trading insults. What do these people want: two viable clubs or two zero. clubs tyker2
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2:02pm Fri 10 Aug 12

nowt fresh says...

Laney1989 wrote:
Can I put this saga to bed? . I was at the forum last night and Bradford City Football Club have NOT placed any bids what so ever for the Bradford Bulls. . They simply offered advice and guidance as BCFC have been in the same situation before. . Late on Wednesday evening there was a bid put in place for the Bulls . The T&A got wind of this then put two and two together and got 6. . Very poor reporting in my eyes.
Bang on the money Laney1989 makes sence as you say (Bradford City been there done it "TWICE" bought the tea shirt) only other reason IMO toget involed would be to bidding for a third party ?.
[quote][p][bold]Laney1989[/bold] wrote: Can I put this saga to bed? . I was at the forum last night and Bradford City Football Club have NOT placed any bids what so ever for the Bradford Bulls. . They simply offered advice and guidance as BCFC have been in the same situation before. . Late on Wednesday evening there was a bid put in place for the Bulls . The T&A got wind of this then put two and two together and got 6. . Very poor reporting in my eyes.[/p][/quote]Bang on the money Laney1989 makes sence as you say (Bradford City been there done it "TWICE" bought the tea shirt) only other reason IMO toget involed would be to bidding for a third party ?. nowt fresh
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2:13pm Fri 10 Aug 12

mickcbcfc says...

at the end of the day you bulls fans will have a team to follow. be good to them at vp and let both clubs come up with a plan to make odsal a great stadium. bring the fans closer to the action and have all covered stands.
good luck bradford bulls.
at the end of the day you bulls fans will have a team to follow. be good to them at vp and let both clubs come up with a plan to make odsal a great stadium. bring the fans closer to the action and have all covered stands. good luck bradford bulls. mickcbcfc
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3:03pm Fri 10 Aug 12

Bikenshaw Illy says...

Scoular's left boot wrote:
City and Bulls play at V.P.. Then the Avenue,once they are back in football league, could move to Odsal. sorted.....
Ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha!
[quote][p][bold]Scoular's left boot[/bold] wrote: City and Bulls play at V.P.. Then the Avenue,once they are back in football league, could move to Odsal. sorted.....[/p][/quote]Ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha! Bikenshaw Illy
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6:39pm Fri 10 Aug 12

lonniejockstrap says...

chin up wrote:
Well as mentioned earlier us City fans might start to question why we haven't been bidding for players under contract at other clubs?

Whether or not this bid goes through to purchase Bulls, I really hope we get off to a flyer to keep the boo boys away. Even the most level minded fan like myself are wondering what is going on? We were told recently we couldn't afford Taiwo's compensation fee....or was it a case we didn't think it was an appropiate fee?

The other thing is Lawn is saying we shouldn't be expecting stand out signings? Fair enough comment if there is no money to play with, and I'm relatively pleased with squad assembled so far, yet to me if they about to purchase the Bulls (which lets face it will be a few millions) the question about transfer policy comes to mind. I mean can you imagine Parkinson's reaction to this news. Here's a man scrapping around with other clubs for the best freebies, yet there maybe players under contract who demand transfer fees, where a less competitive market is taking place. Lets face it not many clubs in the lower leagues pay significant transfer fees. A million or two for City to spend on players would be brilliant.

Anyway lets hope we start the season well, because Parkinson might also start questioning the club's approach for securing league 1 promotion.....after all it was only this week Lawn said we may need to cut back again if we weren't in mix in January. Foot in mouth really when in the same week we are in the process of buying a Rugby League club.....I think I am more confused than anything with the statements made....Is there a benefactor behind all this? Who knows.....more questions than answers to be honest!
Lawn did NOT say 'we shouldn't be expecting stand out signings' on the contrary, he said that he believed that the signings were very good and came in for a lot of the usual criticism for daring to challenge SOME supporters who didn't think the signings were that impressive.
[quote][p][bold]chin up[/bold] wrote: Well as mentioned earlier us City fans might start to question why we haven't been bidding for players under contract at other clubs? Whether or not this bid goes through to purchase Bulls, I really hope we get off to a flyer to keep the boo boys away. Even the most level minded fan like myself are wondering what is going on? We were told recently we couldn't afford Taiwo's compensation fee....or was it a case we didn't think it was an appropiate fee? The other thing is Lawn is saying we shouldn't be expecting stand out signings? Fair enough comment if there is no money to play with, and I'm relatively pleased with squad assembled so far, yet to me if they about to purchase the Bulls (which lets face it will be a few millions) the question about transfer policy comes to mind. I mean can you imagine Parkinson's reaction to this news. Here's a man scrapping around with other clubs for the best freebies, yet there maybe players under contract who demand transfer fees, where a less competitive market is taking place. Lets face it not many clubs in the lower leagues pay significant transfer fees. A million or two for City to spend on players would be brilliant. Anyway lets hope we start the season well, because Parkinson might also start questioning the club's approach for securing league 1 promotion.....after all it was only this week Lawn said we may need to cut back again if we weren't in mix in January. Foot in mouth really when in the same week we are in the process of buying a Rugby League club.....I think I am more confused than anything with the statements made....Is there a benefactor behind all this? Who knows.....more questions than answers to be honest![/p][/quote]Lawn did NOT say 'we shouldn't be expecting stand out signings' on the contrary, he said that he believed that the signings were very good and came in for a lot of the usual criticism for daring to challenge SOME supporters who didn't think the signings were that impressive. lonniejockstrap
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6:46pm Fri 10 Aug 12

nowt fresh says...

lonniejockstrap wrote:
chin up wrote: Well as mentioned earlier us City fans might start to question why we haven't been bidding for players under contract at other clubs? Whether or not this bid goes through to purchase Bulls, I really hope we get off to a flyer to keep the boo boys away. Even the most level minded fan like myself are wondering what is going on? We were told recently we couldn't afford Taiwo's compensation fee....or was it a case we didn't think it was an appropiate fee? The other thing is Lawn is saying we shouldn't be expecting stand out signings? Fair enough comment if there is no money to play with, and I'm relatively pleased with squad assembled so far, yet to me if they about to purchase the Bulls (which lets face it will be a few millions) the question about transfer policy comes to mind. I mean can you imagine Parkinson's reaction to this news. Here's a man scrapping around with other clubs for the best freebies, yet there maybe players under contract who demand transfer fees, where a less competitive market is taking place. Lets face it not many clubs in the lower leagues pay significant transfer fees. A million or two for City to spend on players would be brilliant. Anyway lets hope we start the season well, because Parkinson might also start questioning the club's approach for securing league 1 promotion.....after all it was only this week Lawn said we may need to cut back again if we weren't in mix in January. Foot in mouth really when in the same week we are in the process of buying a Rugby League club.....I think I am more confused than anything with the statements made....Is there a benefactor behind all this? Who knows.....more questions than answers to be honest!
Lawn did NOT say 'we shouldn't be expecting stand out signings' on the contrary, he said that he believed that the signings were very good and came in for a lot of the usual criticism for daring to challenge SOME supporters who didn't think the signings were that impressive.
Lets wait and see how the new lads perform before saying they are good,bad or indifferent,I hope like all City fans this is the year but we have had so many false dawns in the past,as I say lets see what this season pans out like ?.
[quote][p][bold]lonniejockstrap[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]chin up[/bold] wrote: Well as mentioned earlier us City fans might start to question why we haven't been bidding for players under contract at other clubs? Whether or not this bid goes through to purchase Bulls, I really hope we get off to a flyer to keep the boo boys away. Even the most level minded fan like myself are wondering what is going on? We were told recently we couldn't afford Taiwo's compensation fee....or was it a case we didn't think it was an appropiate fee? The other thing is Lawn is saying we shouldn't be expecting stand out signings? Fair enough comment if there is no money to play with, and I'm relatively pleased with squad assembled so far, yet to me if they about to purchase the Bulls (which lets face it will be a few millions) the question about transfer policy comes to mind. I mean can you imagine Parkinson's reaction to this news. Here's a man scrapping around with other clubs for the best freebies, yet there maybe players under contract who demand transfer fees, where a less competitive market is taking place. Lets face it not many clubs in the lower leagues pay significant transfer fees. A million or two for City to spend on players would be brilliant. Anyway lets hope we start the season well, because Parkinson might also start questioning the club's approach for securing league 1 promotion.....after all it was only this week Lawn said we may need to cut back again if we weren't in mix in January. Foot in mouth really when in the same week we are in the process of buying a Rugby League club.....I think I am more confused than anything with the statements made....Is there a benefactor behind all this? Who knows.....more questions than answers to be honest![/p][/quote]Lawn did NOT say 'we shouldn't be expecting stand out signings' on the contrary, he said that he believed that the signings were very good and came in for a lot of the usual criticism for daring to challenge SOME supporters who didn't think the signings were that impressive.[/p][/quote]Lets wait and see how the new lads perform before saying they are good,bad or indifferent,I hope like all City fans this is the year but we have had so many false dawns in the past,as I say lets see what this season pans out like ?. nowt fresh
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7:20pm Fri 10 Aug 12

Shelfrhino says...

raisemeup wrote:
Shelfrhino wrote:
Mumby was the best wrote:
Shelfrhino wrote:
This seems to make perfect sense, why have two separate grounds when it would make much more sense to keep both steaming piles of s**t in one place.

I'm Brian and so's my wife,
Make odslum the Etihad of Yorkshire? Really, you can't be serious?
Now now Tim but Dim my Sweety you should not be so nasty, the last time I had to point things out you ended up blubbing over your keyboard!! denying you were gay (LOL) how you had driven many miles and were oh so tired and put your foot in your mouth. I owned you then and still do, so be a nice boy and keep to the point and not come out with bitchy things.You are a one really ****
You aren't bright enough to own anything pal, even the stars on your McDonalds badge belong to them.
Once you start silly name calling you know your beaten.

Oh by the way, Mumby was crap.
Be careful there SR, good job you're moving that's where keith lives.. Shelf!

He probably wouldn't soil his hands on you, but his wife?? Different proposition altogether>

By the way, I suspect if all the rumours about you are true.(I wouldn't jknow or even care.Because I don't assume malice, for what stupidity can explain)
You will be relishing tonights game at Leeds agaist Widnes.

Understand it's a Rainbow special, something to do with Gay and Lesbians, I think. Even having a rainbow coloured Ball???

Hope you enjoy it.
Oh dear, I'm Brian and so's my wife,
I take it that your other half has taken the family brain cell out to bingo with her. Please don't bother posting until she returns with it as you sound just like the other two numpties on here who get owned on a regular basis.
[quote][p][bold]raisemeup[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Shelfrhino[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Mumby was the best[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Shelfrhino[/bold] wrote: This seems to make perfect sense, why have two separate grounds when it would make much more sense to keep both steaming piles of s**t in one place. I'm Brian and so's my wife, Make odslum the Etihad of Yorkshire? Really, you can't be serious?[/p][/quote]Now now Tim but Dim my Sweety you should not be so nasty, the last time I had to point things out you ended up blubbing over your keyboard!! denying you were gay (LOL) how you had driven many miles and were oh so tired and put your foot in your mouth. I owned you then and still do, so be a nice boy and keep to the point and not come out with bitchy things.You are a one really ****[/p][/quote]You aren't bright enough to own anything pal, even the stars on your McDonalds badge belong to them. Once you start silly name calling you know your beaten. Oh by the way, Mumby was crap.[/p][/quote]Be careful there SR, good job you're moving that's where keith lives.. Shelf! He probably wouldn't soil his hands on you, but his wife?? Different proposition altogether> By the way, I suspect if all the rumours about you are true.(I wouldn't jknow or even care.Because I don't assume malice, for what stupidity can explain) You will be relishing tonights game at Leeds agaist Widnes. Understand it's a Rainbow special, something to do with Gay and Lesbians, I think. Even having a rainbow coloured Ball??? Hope you enjoy it.[/p][/quote]Oh dear, I'm Brian and so's my wife, I take it that your other half has taken the family brain cell out to bingo with her. Please don't bother posting until she returns with it as you sound just like the other two numpties on here who get owned on a regular basis. Shelfrhino
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11:29pm Fri 10 Aug 12

benjibullll says...

shut your face you plank of wood birkenshaw illy d head
shut your face you plank of wood birkenshaw illy d head benjibullll
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12:04am Sat 11 Aug 12

lonniejockstrap says...

nowt fresh wrote:
lonniejockstrap wrote:
chin up wrote: Well as mentioned earlier us City fans might start to question why we haven't been bidding for players under contract at other clubs? Whether or not this bid goes through to purchase Bulls, I really hope we get off to a flyer to keep the boo boys away. Even the most level minded fan like myself are wondering what is going on? We were told recently we couldn't afford Taiwo's compensation fee....or was it a case we didn't think it was an appropiate fee? The other thing is Lawn is saying we shouldn't be expecting stand out signings? Fair enough comment if there is no money to play with, and I'm relatively pleased with squad assembled so far, yet to me if they about to purchase the Bulls (which lets face it will be a few millions) the question about transfer policy comes to mind. I mean can you imagine Parkinson's reaction to this news. Here's a man scrapping around with other clubs for the best freebies, yet there maybe players under contract who demand transfer fees, where a less competitive market is taking place. Lets face it not many clubs in the lower leagues pay significant transfer fees. A million or two for City to spend on players would be brilliant. Anyway lets hope we start the season well, because Parkinson might also start questioning the club's approach for securing league 1 promotion.....after all it was only this week Lawn said we may need to cut back again if we weren't in mix in January. Foot in mouth really when in the same week we are in the process of buying a Rugby League club.....I think I am more confused than anything with the statements made....Is there a benefactor behind all this? Who knows.....more questions than answers to be honest!
Lawn did NOT say 'we shouldn't be expecting stand out signings' on the contrary, he said that he believed that the signings were very good and came in for a lot of the usual criticism for daring to challenge SOME supporters who didn't think the signings were that impressive.
Lets wait and see how the new lads perform before saying they are good,bad or indifferent,I hope like all City fans this is the year but we have had so many false dawns in the past,as I say lets see what this season pans out like ?.
Who said the players were good or bad? I am am correcting a statement that was attributed to Mark Lawn which was incorrect. It wasn't an argument about opinions on players it was an attempt to put the record straight and correct some of the false information that so often floods these types of debates either innocently or maliciously.
[quote][p][bold]nowt fresh[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]lonniejockstrap[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]chin up[/bold] wrote: Well as mentioned earlier us City fans might start to question why we haven't been bidding for players under contract at other clubs? Whether or not this bid goes through to purchase Bulls, I really hope we get off to a flyer to keep the boo boys away. Even the most level minded fan like myself are wondering what is going on? We were told recently we couldn't afford Taiwo's compensation fee....or was it a case we didn't think it was an appropiate fee? The other thing is Lawn is saying we shouldn't be expecting stand out signings? Fair enough comment if there is no money to play with, and I'm relatively pleased with squad assembled so far, yet to me if they about to purchase the Bulls (which lets face it will be a few millions) the question about transfer policy comes to mind. I mean can you imagine Parkinson's reaction to this news. Here's a man scrapping around with other clubs for the best freebies, yet there maybe players under contract who demand transfer fees, where a less competitive market is taking place. Lets face it not many clubs in the lower leagues pay significant transfer fees. A million or two for City to spend on players would be brilliant. Anyway lets hope we start the season well, because Parkinson might also start questioning the club's approach for securing league 1 promotion.....after all it was only this week Lawn said we may need to cut back again if we weren't in mix in January. Foot in mouth really when in the same week we are in the process of buying a Rugby League club.....I think I am more confused than anything with the statements made....Is there a benefactor behind all this? Who knows.....more questions than answers to be honest![/p][/quote]Lawn did NOT say 'we shouldn't be expecting stand out signings' on the contrary, he said that he believed that the signings were very good and came in for a lot of the usual criticism for daring to challenge SOME supporters who didn't think the signings were that impressive.[/p][/quote]Lets wait and see how the new lads perform before saying they are good,bad or indifferent,I hope like all City fans this is the year but we have had so many false dawns in the past,as I say lets see what this season pans out like ?.[/p][/quote]Who said the players were good or bad? I am am correcting a statement that was attributed to Mark Lawn which was incorrect. It wasn't an argument about opinions on players it was an attempt to put the record straight and correct some of the false information that so often floods these types of debates either innocently or maliciously. lonniejockstrap
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9:41am Sat 11 Aug 12

nowt fresh says...

Where have I disagreed with you lonniejockstrap ?just pointing out we've been here before remember Docherty,Lee,Bouldin
g,McLaren,ETC the list is endless all players the manager at the time thought was good enough to improve Bradford City as a team and it did not happen, so it does not matter what expectations Mark Lawn,Phil Parkinson or us fans have of our new arrivals it down to the player performances not reputations, the daft thing is the lad who nearly everyone is writing off Atkinson my turn out to be the player who turns our season around, so I'll say again lonniejockstrap it's about opinions Mark Lawn has his and so fans have a different opinion.
Where have I disagreed with you lonniejockstrap ?just pointing out we've been here before remember Docherty,Lee,Bouldin g,McLaren,ETC the list is endless all players the manager at the time thought was good enough to improve Bradford City as a team and it did not happen, so it does not matter what expectations Mark Lawn,Phil Parkinson or us fans have of our new arrivals it down to the player performances not reputations, the daft thing is the lad who nearly everyone is writing off Atkinson my turn out to be the player who turns our season around, so I'll say again lonniejockstrap it's about opinions Mark Lawn has his and so fans have a different opinion. nowt fresh
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9:44am Sat 11 Aug 12

nowt fresh says...

nowt fresh wrote:
Where have I disagreed with you lonniejockstrap ?just pointing out we've been here before remember Docherty,Lee,Bouldin g,McLaren,ETC the list is endless all players the manager at the time thought was good enough to improve Bradford City as a team and it did not happen, so it does not matter what expectations Mark Lawn,Phil Parkinson or us fans have of our new arrivals it down to the player performances not reputations, the daft thing is the lad who nearly everyone is writing off Atkinson my turn out to be the player who turns our season around, so I'll say again lonniejockstrap it's about opinions Mark Lawn has his and so fans have a different opinion.
That should say some fans have a different opinion
[quote][p][bold]nowt fresh[/bold] wrote: Where have I disagreed with you lonniejockstrap ?just pointing out we've been here before remember Docherty,Lee,Bouldin g,McLaren,ETC the list is endless all players the manager at the time thought was good enough to improve Bradford City as a team and it did not happen, so it does not matter what expectations Mark Lawn,Phil Parkinson or us fans have of our new arrivals it down to the player performances not reputations, the daft thing is the lad who nearly everyone is writing off Atkinson my turn out to be the player who turns our season around, so I'll say again lonniejockstrap it's about opinions Mark Lawn has his and so fans have a different opinion.[/p][/quote]That should say some fans have a different opinion nowt fresh
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10:35am Sat 11 Aug 12

lonniejockstrap says...

nowt fresh wrote:
Where have I disagreed with you lonniejockstrap ?just pointing out we've been here before remember Docherty,Lee,Bouldin

g,McLaren,ETC the list is endless all players the manager at the time thought was good enough to improve Bradford City as a team and it did not happen, so it does not matter what expectations Mark Lawn,Phil Parkinson or us fans have of our new arrivals it down to the player performances not reputations, the daft thing is the lad who nearly everyone is writing off Atkinson my turn out to be the player who turns our season around, so I'll say again lonniejockstrap it's about opinions Mark Lawn has his and so fans have a different opinion.
I agree with you, but the context of my post was regarding the mistaken claim that Mark Lawn had said 'Lawn is saying we shouldn't be expecting stand out signings'. He didn't say that and I am making a correction to something that is not a fact as opposed to opinions on who 's opinion I agree with or not. It was a strange claim to have attributed to Mark Lawn so soon after he had been criticised so heavily on this website only a few days ago for saying almost the complete opposite. So I hope you will accept ME saying again that my post had nothing to do with ML's opinions or anyone else's, it was about putting the record straight and correcting a misrepresentation of what Mark Lawn was claimed to have said. With respect nowt fresh, I think your 1st response to my post was missing my point and in your latest post to me you appear to be still missing my point about chin up's claim being factually incorrect.
[quote][p][bold]nowt fresh[/bold] wrote: Where have I disagreed with you lonniejockstrap ?just pointing out we've been here before remember Docherty,Lee,Bouldin g,McLaren,ETC the list is endless all players the manager at the time thought was good enough to improve Bradford City as a team and it did not happen, so it does not matter what expectations Mark Lawn,Phil Parkinson or us fans have of our new arrivals it down to the player performances not reputations, the daft thing is the lad who nearly everyone is writing off Atkinson my turn out to be the player who turns our season around, so I'll say again lonniejockstrap it's about opinions Mark Lawn has his and so fans have a different opinion.[/p][/quote]I agree with you, but the context of my post was regarding the mistaken claim that Mark Lawn had said 'Lawn is saying we shouldn't be expecting stand out signings'. He didn't say that and I am making a correction to something that is not a fact as opposed to opinions on who 's opinion I agree with or not. It was a strange claim to have attributed to Mark Lawn so soon after he had been criticised so heavily on this website only a few days ago for saying almost the complete opposite. So I hope you will accept ME saying again that my post had nothing to do with ML's opinions or anyone else's, it was about putting the record straight and correcting a misrepresentation of what Mark Lawn was claimed to have said. With respect nowt fresh, I think your 1st response to my post was missing my point and in your latest post to me you appear to be still missing my point about chin up's claim being factually incorrect. lonniejockstrap
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1:25pm Sat 11 Aug 12

jamiejoe says...

i really don't know what is going on here, if we can help out then that seems good.

but - why would we make a better offer than the Super League clubs - who must know the value of the rugby league club and the game more than City do?

i have only read half this thread - does anyone know the real story here??

thanks
i really don't know what is going on here, if we can help out then that seems good. but - why would we make a better offer than the Super League clubs - who must know the value of the rugby league club and the game more than City do? i have only read half this thread - does anyone know the real story here?? thanks jamiejoe
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2:40pm Sat 11 Aug 12

nowt fresh says...

jamiejoe wrote:
i really don't know what is going on here, if we can help out then that seems good. but - why would we make a better offer than the Super League clubs - who must know the value of the rugby league club and the game more than City do? i have only read half this thread - does anyone know the real story here?? thanks
Possibly the only comment on here with any credibility !!!
Laney1989 wrote:
Can I put this saga to bed? . I was at the forum last night and Bradford City Football Club have NOT placed any bids what so ever for the Bradford Bulls. . They simply offered advice and guidance as BCFC have been in the same situation before. . Late on Wednesday evening there was a bid put in place for the Bulls . The T&A got wind of this then put two and two together and got 6. . Very poor reporting in my eyes.
[quote][p][bold]jamiejoe[/bold] wrote: i really don't know what is going on here, if we can help out then that seems good. but - why would we make a better offer than the Super League clubs - who must know the value of the rugby league club and the game more than City do? i have only read half this thread - does anyone know the real story here?? thanks[/p][/quote]Possibly the only comment on here with any credibility !!! Laney1989 wrote: Can I put this saga to bed? . I was at the forum last night and Bradford City Football Club have NOT placed any bids what so ever for the Bradford Bulls. . They simply offered advice and guidance as BCFC have been in the same situation before. . Late on Wednesday evening there was a bid put in place for the Bulls . The T&A got wind of this then put two and two together and got 6. . Very poor reporting in my eyes. nowt fresh
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12:58pm Sun 12 Aug 12

jamiejoe says...

nowt fresh wrote:
jamiejoe wrote: i really don't know what is going on here, if we can help out then that seems good. but - why would we make a better offer than the Super League clubs - who must know the value of the rugby league club and the game more than City do? i have only read half this thread - does anyone know the real story here?? thanks
Possibly the only comment on here with any credibility !!! Laney1989 wrote: Can I put this saga to bed? . I was at the forum last night and Bradford City Football Club have NOT placed any bids what so ever for the Bradford Bulls. . They simply offered advice and guidance as BCFC have been in the same situation before. . Late on Wednesday evening there was a bid put in place for the Bulls . The T&A got wind of this then put two and two together and got 6. . Very poor reporting in my eyes.
cheers mate - i read that one afterwards and it seemed more likely

but if this is the case why has the T&A not corrected the story? It is clearly pretty important for both clubs and the city.

I think there is an hour of radio coverage on BBC Iplayer from last thursday available for the next few days reporting on the forum from last week.

http://www.bbc.co.uk
/iplayer/episode/p00
w13cf/West_Yorkshire
_Sport_09_08_2012/
[quote][p][bold]nowt fresh[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]jamiejoe[/bold] wrote: i really don't know what is going on here, if we can help out then that seems good. but - why would we make a better offer than the Super League clubs - who must know the value of the rugby league club and the game more than City do? i have only read half this thread - does anyone know the real story here?? thanks[/p][/quote]Possibly the only comment on here with any credibility !!! Laney1989 wrote: Can I put this saga to bed? . I was at the forum last night and Bradford City Football Club have NOT placed any bids what so ever for the Bradford Bulls. . They simply offered advice and guidance as BCFC have been in the same situation before. . Late on Wednesday evening there was a bid put in place for the Bulls . The T&A got wind of this then put two and two together and got 6. . Very poor reporting in my eyes.[/p][/quote]cheers mate - i read that one afterwards and it seemed more likely but if this is the case why has the T&A not corrected the story? It is clearly pretty important for both clubs and the city. I think there is an hour of radio coverage on BBC Iplayer from last thursday available for the next few days reporting on the forum from last week. http://www.bbc.co.uk /iplayer/episode/p00 w13cf/West_Yorkshire _Sport_09_08_2012/ jamiejoe
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11:25pm Mon 13 Aug 12

a reasonable sort of chap says...

How is anyone supposed to recognize the man from that rubbish photo? If it was in the city center then they must have captured several images of him afterwards too, so why no decent picture? Why is CCTV so poor quality? Must do better.

http://www.thetelegr
aphandargus.co.uk/ne
ws/9871388.Police_is
sue_image_over_robbe
ry_bid/?ref=la
How is anyone supposed to recognize the man from that rubbish photo? If it was in the city center then they must have captured several images of him afterwards too, so why no decent picture? Why is CCTV so poor quality? Must do better. http://www.thetelegr aphandargus.co.uk/ne ws/9871388.Police_is sue_image_over_robbe ry_bid/?ref=la a reasonable sort of chap
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5:21pm Tue 14 Aug 12

lonniejockstrap says...

nowt fresh wrote:
jamiejoe wrote:
i really don't know what is going on here, if we can help out then that seems good. but - why would we make a better offer than the Super League clubs - who must know the value of the rugby league club and the game more than City do? i have only read half this thread - does anyone know the real story here?? thanks
Possibly the only comment on here with any credibility !!!
Laney1989 wrote:
Can I put this saga to bed? . I was at the forum last night and Bradford City Football Club have NOT placed any bids what so ever for the Bradford Bulls. . They simply offered advice and guidance as BCFC have been in the same situation before. . Late on Wednesday evening there was a bid put in place for the Bulls . The T&A got wind of this then put two and two together and got 6. . Very poor reporting in my eyes.
According to Julian Rhodes there WAS a BID: “We said we would help if there was nobody else. If they have other genuine bids then we might leave them to it, but we will see next week.

“The RFL knows details of our bid and has asked for more information, which we will supply.”

Note he uses the words 'our bid'.
[quote][p][bold]nowt fresh[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]jamiejoe[/bold] wrote: i really don't know what is going on here, if we can help out then that seems good. but - why would we make a better offer than the Super League clubs - who must know the value of the rugby league club and the game more than City do? i have only read half this thread - does anyone know the real story here?? thanks[/p][/quote]Possibly the only comment on here with any credibility !!! Laney1989 wrote: Can I put this saga to bed? . I was at the forum last night and Bradford City Football Club have NOT placed any bids what so ever for the Bradford Bulls. . They simply offered advice and guidance as BCFC have been in the same situation before. . Late on Wednesday evening there was a bid put in place for the Bulls . The T&A got wind of this then put two and two together and got 6. . Very poor reporting in my eyes.[/p][/quote]According to Julian Rhodes there WAS a BID: “We said we would help if there was nobody else. If they have other genuine bids then we might leave them to it, but we will see next week. “The RFL knows details of our bid and has asked for more information, which we will supply.” Note he uses the words 'our bid'. lonniejockstrap
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6:28pm Tue 14 Aug 12

nowt fresh says...

lonniejockstrap wrote:
nowt fresh wrote:
jamiejoe wrote: i really don't know what is going on here, if we can help out then that seems good. but - why would we make a better offer than the Super League clubs - who must know the value of the rugby league club and the game more than City do? i have only read half this thread - does anyone know the real story here?? thanks
Possibly the only comment on here with any credibility !!! Laney1989 wrote: Can I put this saga to bed? . I was at the forum last night and Bradford City Football Club have NOT placed any bids what so ever for the Bradford Bulls. . They simply offered advice and guidance as BCFC have been in the same situation before. . Late on Wednesday evening there was a bid put in place for the Bulls . The T&A got wind of this then put two and two together and got 6. . Very poor reporting in my eyes.
According to Julian Rhodes there WAS a BID: “We said we would help if there was nobody else. If they have other genuine bids then we might leave them to it, but we will see next week. “The RFL knows details of our bid and has asked for more information, which we will supply.” Note he uses the words 'our bid'.
Are you privy to inside information lonniejockstrap or can you tell us where the above statement was published ?.
[quote][p][bold]lonniejockstrap[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]nowt fresh[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]jamiejoe[/bold] wrote: i really don't know what is going on here, if we can help out then that seems good. but - why would we make a better offer than the Super League clubs - who must know the value of the rugby league club and the game more than City do? i have only read half this thread - does anyone know the real story here?? thanks[/p][/quote]Possibly the only comment on here with any credibility !!! Laney1989 wrote: Can I put this saga to bed? . I was at the forum last night and Bradford City Football Club have NOT placed any bids what so ever for the Bradford Bulls. . They simply offered advice and guidance as BCFC have been in the same situation before. . Late on Wednesday evening there was a bid put in place for the Bulls . The T&A got wind of this then put two and two together and got 6. . Very poor reporting in my eyes.[/p][/quote]According to Julian Rhodes there WAS a BID: “We said we would help if there was nobody else. If they have other genuine bids then we might leave them to it, but we will see next week. “The RFL knows details of our bid and has asked for more information, which we will supply.” Note he uses the words 'our bid'.[/p][/quote]Are you privy to inside information lonniejockstrap or can you tell us where the above statement was published ?. nowt fresh
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6:58pm Tue 14 Aug 12

mike rhodes says...

ask the owner of AWM on cannal road to take over, a man who gets things done. He could move bulls to city for a few years, fill odsal with rubbish rrom all over the north with were it it sited. Build a new ground on the site, and still make a few mill for him self. He would not let gibb mess him around. He could buy VP and cut the rent for the few years they use it, with the profit he takes from filling Odsal. Easy.
ask the owner of AWM on cannal road to take over, a man who gets things done. He could move bulls to city for a few years, fill odsal with rubbish rrom all over the north with were it it sited. Build a new ground on the site, and still make a few mill for him self. He would not let gibb mess him around. He could buy VP and cut the rent for the few years they use it, with the profit he takes from filling Odsal. Easy. mike rhodes
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8:58pm Tue 14 Aug 12

nowt fresh says...

mike rhodes wrote:
ask the owner of AWM on cannal road to take over, a man who gets things done. He could move bulls to city for a few years, fill odsal with rubbish rrom all over the north with were it it sited. Build a new ground on the site, and still make a few mill for him self. He would not let gibb mess him around. He could buy VP and cut the rent for the few years they use it, with the profit he takes from filling Odsal. Easy.
He would not let gibb mess him around? I think you will find Gordon Gibb (or his pension fund) have Bradford City FC well and truely tied into the terms of the contract that was a large part of us getting out of the second administration,the phrase that comes to mind is "Stitched Up Like A Kipper".
[quote][p][bold]mike rhodes[/bold] wrote: ask the owner of AWM on cannal road to take over, a man who gets things done. He could move bulls to city for a few years, fill odsal with rubbish rrom all over the north with were it it sited. Build a new ground on the site, and still make a few mill for him self. He would not let gibb mess him around. He could buy VP and cut the rent for the few years they use it, with the profit he takes from filling Odsal. Easy.[/p][/quote]He would not let gibb mess him around? I think you will find Gordon Gibb (or his pension fund) have Bradford City FC well and truely tied into the terms of the contract that was a large part of us getting out of the second administration,the phrase that comes to mind is "Stitched Up Like A Kipper". nowt fresh
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12:14am Wed 15 Aug 12

lonniejockstrap says...

nowt fresh wrote:
lonniejockstrap wrote:
nowt fresh wrote:
jamiejoe wrote: i really don't know what is going on here, if we can help out then that seems good. but - why would we make a better offer than the Super League clubs - who must know the value of the rugby league club and the game more than City do? i have only read half this thread - does anyone know the real story here?? thanks
Possibly the only comment on here with any credibility !!! Laney1989 wrote: Can I put this saga to bed? . I was at the forum last night and Bradford City Football Club have NOT placed any bids what so ever for the Bradford Bulls. . They simply offered advice and guidance as BCFC have been in the same situation before. . Late on Wednesday evening there was a bid put in place for the Bulls . The T&A got wind of this then put two and two together and got 6. . Very poor reporting in my eyes.
According to Julian Rhodes there WAS a BID: “We said we would help if there was nobody else. If they have other genuine bids then we might leave them to it, but we will see next week. “The RFL knows details of our bid and has asked for more information, which we will supply.” Note he uses the words 'our bid'.
Are you privy to inside information lonniejockstrap or can you tell us where the above statement was published ?.
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'Guilfoyle rejects criticism by Bradford Bulls fans'

9:18pm Friday 10th August 2012 in Bulls By Hannah Postles
[quote][p][bold]nowt fresh[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]lonniejockstrap[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]nowt fresh[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]jamiejoe[/bold] wrote: i really don't know what is going on here, if we can help out then that seems good. but - why would we make a better offer than the Super League clubs - who must know the value of the rugby league club and the game more than City do? i have only read half this thread - does anyone know the real story here?? thanks[/p][/quote]Possibly the only comment on here with any credibility !!! Laney1989 wrote: Can I put this saga to bed? . I was at the forum last night and Bradford City Football Club have NOT placed any bids what so ever for the Bradford Bulls. . They simply offered advice and guidance as BCFC have been in the same situation before. . Late on Wednesday evening there was a bid put in place for the Bulls . The T&A got wind of this then put two and two together and got 6. . Very poor reporting in my eyes.[/p][/quote]According to Julian Rhodes there WAS a BID: “We said we would help if there was nobody else. If they have other genuine bids then we might leave them to it, but we will see next week. “The RFL knows details of our bid and has asked for more information, which we will supply.” Note he uses the words 'our bid'.[/p][/quote]Are you privy to inside information lonniejockstrap or can you tell us where the above statement was published ?.[/p][/quote]T@A Article: 'Guilfoyle rejects criticism by Bradford Bulls fans' 9:18pm Friday 10th August 2012 in Bulls By Hannah Postles lonniejockstrap
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