‘Clearing £1.5m debts could keep Bradford Bulls in Super League’ (From Bradford Telegraph and Argus)

As I`ve said against another Bulls article, they are far from out of the woods. Nigel Wood said on Look North on Thursday the SLE deal was "a short term fix", in other words we are too near the end of the season to be adjusting points and upsetting Sky schedules. The idea is to put the Bulls back on the market in October and we all know what that produced last time.
I`m not a Bulls fan but I am a sports fan and I hate to see anything which further damages our City but the fact is that the Bulls have had some £9mill ofratepayers money in the last 10 years and have frittered it away, without that they would be long gone and deservedly so.
Rugby needs to accept it is a minority sport, go back to part time with promotion and relegation and stop living beyond its` means. Sadly this will be without the Bulls.

I don’t believe they have till the start of the season unless they relegate us and go with 13 teams. Any team getting promoted to replace us needs to be signing players now to have any chance of competing. Can you imagine fax or fev being told in February you are playing in super league in two weeks time? This just can’t happen so either we stay in SL, they lose a team from it or they tell a team now to start signing players as they are replacing us. The longer we go without being told anything makes me believe we will somehow still be there next year. How else can it work out if they don’t say anything very soon to one of the championship clubs? We will all know if one of them starts trying to sign our players for next season.

Local derby next season v the Cougars.
How the mighty have fallen.

Morally and ethically Bulls need to be relegated to set a precadent to all future clubs getting into debt.A 6point deduction is no deterrent and the RFL and SL have to show spine and leadership and relegate Bradford.Bulls blatantly lied about their financial state to get an SL licence in March and on that fact alone they must be relegated.Bradford are not bigger than the game and must be treated as Rangers were by the SPL in Scotland.The game is morally bankrupt if this is brushed under the carpet.Halifax have played by the rules and deserve their chance at Super League.Prycey you are wrong as Widnes are now showing.They struggled initially and are now competitive.Bulls need to be punished and I would relegate them but reinstate promotion and relegation meaning Bulls could only spend a season down below if they win the Championship.RFL need to show leadership and fairness and stand by the franchise licensing remit.

This does seem to suggest the ABC group were wanting their cake and to eat it by having guarantees of SL status but not coving past debts.

When are all the headlines & Spin going to Stop! just giving false hope! who with any common sense is going to just throw £1.5 million now, why did they not do it before, oh yes we did have offers with unacceptable demands! Time for Nigel Woods to Go! he has been part of all the games recent problems & bad management and he is appointed to Review The Future of The Game! what a total joke!

Once this is all settled and it may be best around that we are allowed to build and start again a very serious investigation is needed into the running of a once Great Club.

Reality50 wrote:
Morally and ethically Bulls need to be relegated to set a precadent to all future clubs getting into debt.A 6point deduction is no deterrent and the RFL and SL have to show spine and leadership and relegate Bradford.Bulls blatantly lied about their financial state to get an SL licence in March and on that fact alone they must be relegated.Bradford are not bigger than the game and must be treated as Rangers were by the SPL in Scotland.The game is morally bankrupt if this is brushed under the carpet.Halifax have played by the rules and deserve their chance at Super League.Prycey you are wrong as Widnes are now showing.They struggled initially and are now competitive.Bulls need to be punished and I would relegate them but reinstate promotion and relegation meaning Bulls could only spend a season down below if they win the Championship.RFL need to show leadership and fairness and stand by the franchise licensing remit.

Only issue with that is why should it be Halifax? Why not Fev? They are currently top of the league and hammered Halifax when they visited the Shay.

So if all the players have been told to look for new clubs..

We still have £1.5m debt...

Moore than likely playing in the championship next year...

Why didnt we just go into liquidation , same result but would have had no debts and more chance of being bought out , thus saved from the championship ????

Thee Voice of Reason wrote:
Local derby next season v the Cougars.
How the mighty have fallen.

Listen young 'un, that would have happened a few years back if SLE/RFL hadn't denied the Cougars a place in the first place. The mighty (the Cougars) fell because they were pushed and they've already built up again. I think you'll find there'll be no derby as the Bradford team will be re-born as West Riding Whales in the same way that the Crusaders were. Don't forget precedents for this kind of thing have already been set so be aware unconditional means go back to Championship 2 and try again.

Prycey wrote:
I don’t believe they have till the start of the season unless they relegate us and go with 13 teams. Any team getting promoted to replace us needs to be signing players now to have any chance of competing. Can you imagine fax or fev being told in February you are playing in super league in two weeks time? This just can’t happen so either we stay in SL, they lose a team from it or they tell a team now to start signing players as they are replacing us. The longer we go without being told anything makes me believe we will somehow still be there next year. How else can it work out if they don’t say anything very soon to one of the championship clubs? We will all know if one of them starts trying to sign our players for next season.

I think this particular statement says a lot about where we will be playing next year


"In the meeting with fans’ groups, Mr Solly said he could not guarantee the Bulls would remain in Super League for 2013 and revealed that, if the latest bid is accepted, Bulls players would be free to speak to other clubs to secure their futures for next season. "

If there was any hope of remaining in SL why on earth would players be told they will be free to speaak to other clubs?????

Liquidation may be good from a fans perspective but is not the best option for creditors and it is they who the administratar is obliged to consider.

They have got to be relegated full stop . They haven't a viable business model to stay in SL and they won't have for a long time

So Hood and Bennett

Hope your proud of yourselves the scale of your mismanagement is now coming to light.  The enormity of your incompetence is staggering and I hope you are taken to task by the authorities.

Remember we are £1,500,000 in debt AFTER robbing the supporters of £500,000 in pledges and selling the lease to the RFL for £1,250,000. 

That's a total of £3,250,000 amounted in debts  .This needs investigating.

paulbull wrote:
So Hood and Bennett

Hope your proud of yourselves the scale of your mismanagement is now coming to light.  The enormity of your incompetence is staggering and I hope you are taken to task by the authorities.

Remember we are £1,500,000 in debt AFTER robbing the supporters of £500,000 in pledges and selling the lease to the RFL for £1,250,000. 

That's a total of £3,250,000 amounted in debts  .This needs investigating.

Ultimately it was the untimely intervention that has caused administration.

Don't you forget that!!

Fax and Fev are evenly matched but Fax have a better ground and a week ago beat Fev in the NRC final at Blackpool.Fax have bigger potential too although Fev did beat Castleford this season in the CC so I wouldn't argue against them or even Leigh as their stadium is excellent with an improving team but Halifax would get the nod for me and Bulls relegated but with promotion and relegation next season reintroduced and the salary cap either increased or scrapped altogether.

Will be great to be playing Northern again next season. unless we pass them on the way down.I am sorry your GENUINE supporters have been stuffed for all that brass you managed to raise.lets hope the club survives in some form, but really the RFL's behavior is appalling.P*** up in a brewery comes to mind.

Agree reality but they need to be told now to prepare. If they aren't, then they won't get let in as it will be too late.

It's looking increasingly more likely that we'll be in the championship next year.
Everyday I get more annoyed and angry at what is going on here.

Fax or Fev would be like London - they'd get beaten every week and would have no chance of making the play offs. Furthermore, they would bring low crowds and wouldn't survive in SL without a rich backer.

The thought of us dropping down to the championship is a joke to be honest. We are one of the highest supported clubs in SL. We would have made the play offs for sure if wasn't for our points deduction, and we can still make the play offs now (I think we will too). A team like London doesn't belong in SL. They get crowds of 2000 and have no rivals. They're only here because they have money.

I really hope that this SLE group will try and find us a buyer in October to clear our debts. It sounds to me like they're just seeing us out till the end of the season so that the league ladder won't be messed up. They said themselves, it's on behalf of the other 13 SL clubs.

The RFL will relegate us if we don't have anyone to clear our debts. The ABC have submitted two offers to buy us, to keep us SL, and the RFL have refused both. Do the RFL even want us in SL?

Clearing the debt "May" keep us in super league not "Will".....think if I was going to part with 1.5 million I'd want something a little bit more definite than that ....why cant they say if it will or wont or what percentage is acceptable then any potential investors know exactly where they stand ?

bullslad17 wrote:
It's looking increasingly more likely that we'll be in the championship next year.
Everyday I get more annoyed and angry at what is going on here.

Fax or Fev would be like London - they'd get beaten every week and would have no chance of making the play offs. Furthermore, they would bring low crowds and wouldn't survive in SL without a rich backer.

The thought of us dropping down to the championship is a joke to be honest. We are one of the highest supported clubs in SL. We would have made the play offs for sure if wasn't for our points deduction, and we can still make the play offs now (I think we will too). A team like London doesn't belong in SL. They get crowds of 2000 and have no rivals. They're only here because they have money.

I really hope that this SLE group will try and find us a buyer in October to clear our debts. It sounds to me like they're just seeing us out till the end of the season so that the league ladder won't be messed up. They said themselves, it's on behalf of the other 13 SL clubs.

The RFL will relegate us if we don't have anyone to clear our debts. The ABC have submitted two offers to buy us, to keep us SL, and the RFL have refused both. Do the RFL even want us in SL?

Slate other clubs all you want but the proof of the state of your club is for all to see.

Lay into Fax and Fev all you want but the Bulls have proven to be a joke this season and on that basis alone don't deserve a SL place.

Prycey wrote:
I don’t believe they have till the start of the season unless they relegate us and go with 13 teams. Any team getting promoted to replace us needs to be signing players now to have any chance of competing. Can you imagine fax or fev being told in February you are playing in super league in two weeks time? This just can’t happen so either we stay in SL, they lose a team from it or they tell a team now to start signing players as they are replacing us. The longer we go without being told anything makes me believe we will somehow still be there next year. How else can it work out if they don’t say anything very soon to one of the championship clubs? We will all know if one of them starts trying to sign our players for next season.

AND of course we have to consider the Bulls position too. How can we prepare for S/L if we are not sure of a spot? Our players are likely to drift away and how can we offer any packages for next seasons tickets etc. There simply as to be a decision sooner rather than later to make the situation viable for whoever will be in S/L next season.

Prycey wrote:
I don’t believe they have till the start of the season unless they relegate us and go with 13 teams. Any team getting promoted to replace us needs to be signing players now to have any chance of competing. Can you imagine fax or fev being told in February you are playing in super league in two weeks time? This just can’t happen so either we stay in SL, they lose a team from it or they tell a team now to start signing players as they are replacing us. The longer we go without being told anything makes me believe we will somehow still be there next year. How else can it work out if they don’t say anything very soon to one of the championship clubs? We will all know if one of them starts trying to sign our players for next season.

I hadn't thought about this and I think you are right. Fev and Fax won't be ready to compete in SL.

There are a number of idiots on this forum who to seem to to be taking great delight in the present predicament the Bulls and supporters find themselves in. If you have nothing positive to say then why don't you all shove off and kick someone else who is down. I wouldn't wish our situation on any club or its supporters. Since Easter every game has been our potentially last one, any information has been strictly rationed and administered by drip feed. Some of us gave our hard earned cash and were taken for a ride (a short one) by the previous board. They are the culprits not the supporters so stop picking on us. the Bulls are all about the 3 or 4 teams who play every week, the 130 or so employed at Odsal, the 10K solid core supporters and local business people.

The real R/L supporters have rallied round and some have posted their welcome comments on this forum. I wouldn't wish to see any club go down, I'd much rather see more clubs being added to Super League.

In short sensible debate yes but not stupid remarks about how the Bulls have lied and referring to the supporters as if they were in with the plot. TOVR your name belies your attitude, it's high time you become reasonable. Wigan were a joke a few years ago but nobody thought they deserved to be relegated on the basis of their field performances.

This lastest episode in this whole sorry saga,futher damages the image of Rugby and is disrespectful to none Super League Clubs.I wonder what inducements were offered to gain the other clubs support?
If the offer is only to secure continuity of
the SL season.
The sport should be open as to what is on offer the fans who dug so deep for the good of their club some honesty as they do to ex players Widnes,Rhinos,Wire and no doubt many more.
If the Bulls have acheived their success and fan base by cheap deals and living beyond thier means .
There is no gaurantee for any investor that they will get people through the gates for a less successful team charging realistic season ticket prices.
It is clear that SLE and the RFL do not have the ability to carry out their responsibities on licencing,salary caps,organising internationals,publi
city the list goes on.
For the good of all connected with the game sort this mess out and the resign.
Ps Who is going to foot the cost of the Catalan away game if the Bulls cannot even afford pitch marking paint.
This whole sorry saga has tarnished a sport I love.
It will be interesting to see what lessons have been learned and how other club regaurdless of their league status will be treated when they hit financial difficulties!

as i have said before, going, going, gone.

The administrator is not a creditor as he has been and will continue to be paid!!

There is no way the club can continue. No one can find all that money and pay on going costs.

The super league now have a very expensive lease which is, all but , worthless.

t'old man wrote:
Clearing the debt "May" keep us in super league not "Will".....think if I was going to part with 1.5 million I'd want something a little bit more definite than that ....why cant they say if it will or wont or what percentage is acceptable then any potential investors know exactly where they stand ?

This has been the stumbling point for the conditional bids submitted it appears. So if the conditions of purchase are set out as you suggest then new bids would not need to be conditional as purchasers should know exactly what they are getting for their investment. They would need to get advance season ticket money in, e.g. 5000 at £200 = £1 million for starters, but again, people who would commit to that for super league may not for championship rugby. True fans will still go, no matter what the status of the club, but there is still much to consider and in line with comments from other posters re who may be in super league next year, planning does need to be done well in advance meaning a deadline must be set and adhered to for a decision. Sadly this is something that people currently involved seem incapable of.

Writer wrote:
There are a number of idiots on this forum who to seem to to be taking great delight in the present predicament the Bulls and supporters find themselves in. If you have nothing positive to say then why don't you all shove off and kick someone else who is down. I wouldn't wish our situation on any club or its supporters. Since Easter every game has been our potentially last one, any information has been strictly rationed and administered by drip feed. Some of us gave our hard earned cash and were taken for a ride (a short one) by the previous board. They are the culprits not the supporters so stop picking on us. the Bulls are all about the 3 or 4 teams who play every week, the 130 or so employed at Odsal, the 10K solid core supporters and local business people.

The real R/L supporters have rallied round and some have posted their welcome comments on this forum. I wouldn't wish to see any club go down, I'd much rather see more clubs being added to Super League.

In short sensible debate yes but not stupid remarks about how the Bulls have lied and referring to the supporters as if they were in with the plot. TOVR your name belies your attitude, it's high time you become reasonable. Wigan were a joke a few years ago but nobody thought they deserved to be relegated on the basis of their field performances.

Good post Writer, my sentiments too. One thing I have noticed that posters with user names professing a 'balanced and considered' view rarely' if ever, actually do. Examples include TVoR, Reality50, Correctness, Murphyslaw, Truthsetter etc etc... those coupled with bitter and gloating City fans who can't wait to post at the first smell of 'Bulls blood' are ever increasing on these comment sites. Sad isn't it - talk about misnomers!

bullslad17 wrote:
It's looking increasingly more likely that we'll be in the championship next year.
Everyday I get more annoyed and angry at what is going on here.

Fax or Fev would be like London - they'd get beaten every week and would have no chance of making the play offs. Furthermore, they would bring low crowds and wouldn't survive in SL without a rich backer.

The thought of us dropping down to the championship is a joke to be honest. We are one of the highest supported clubs in SL. We would have made the play offs for sure if wasn't for our points deduction, and we can still make the play offs now (I think we will too). A team like London doesn't belong in SL. They get crowds of 2000 and have no rivals. They're only here because they have money.

I really hope that this SLE group will try and find us a buyer in October to clear our debts. It sounds to me like they're just seeing us out till the end of the season so that the league ladder won't be messed up. They said themselves, it's on behalf of the other 13 SL clubs.

The RFL will relegate us if we don't have anyone to clear our debts. The ABC have submitted two offers to buy us, to keep us SL, and the RFL have refused both. Do the RFL even want us in SL?

BullsLad - we are in no position to come out with arrogant stuff like this. The thought of Bulls being relegated is not a joke ... it's a possible reality, would be well deserved, an actually a bit of a let-off considering the circumstances.

How can you be angry at the thought of Halifax or Featherstone earning a place in the top flight? Do you think Bradford Bulls have a God-given right to play at the top level, regardless of how financially incompetent, negilgent or dishonest they have been?

If the outcome of this mess were that Bulls got relegated butpromotion and releation were reinstated, I would regard that as a wonderful outcome for Rugby League.

I just wish the RFL would put us out of our misery and liquidate us.All this has been a joke. Comments in the T&A we maybe relegated if the 1.5 million pound debt isnt paid off they have rejected offers from the ABC consortium who supposed to have offered 3million pounds this would have cleared the debt off and made us financially stable going forward. It is quite clear to me that we will be a championship team next year due to all of our players being allowed to speak to other clubs. That will be a great derby Fax or Fev Versus Whinos !!!! oh dear what is happening. All I want to know is how can Hood sleep at night ans also I want to know why CC has suddenly gone all quiet on us I thought he had investors awaiting. I must give Mr Bennett credit he has followed us home and away sice his departure a true bull. Why cant you buy us Andrew??

are all Bulls fans happy that they have been told everything?

When Hood sold out he said everything was ok. Did Caisley do due diligenceE? PROBABLY NOT.

The lease realised over a million which created a VAT problem and , possibly, a capital gains tax problem, £500K was raised from fans and possibly more due to away fans admissions being paid to the Bull and yet now we are told there is a debt of anything from a million to a million plus. 500k.

This whole lot stinks and, to my mind, the best route forward is to liquidate and found a new club ground sharing : possibly at Horsfall if only to save outgoing cash in rent to VP.

Hard to take but when things are so bad then stop pouring money into the black hole. Close the club up and start again.

Sheffieldbull wrote:

Writer wrote:
There are a number of idiots on this forum who to seem to to be taking great delight in the present predicament the Bulls and supporters find themselves in. If you have nothing positive to say then why don't you all shove off and kick someone else who is down. I wouldn't wish our situation on any club or its supporters. Since Easter every game has been our potentially last one, any information has been strictly rationed and administered by drip feed. Some of us gave our hard earned cash and were taken for a ride (a short one) by the previous board. They are the culprits not the supporters so stop picking on us. the Bulls are all about the 3 or 4 teams who play every week, the 130 or so employed at Odsal, the 10K solid core supporters and local business people.

The real R/L supporters have rallied round and some have posted their welcome comments on this forum. I wouldn't wish to see any club go down, I'd much rather see more clubs being added to Super League.

In short sensible debate yes but not stupid remarks about how the Bulls have lied and referring to the supporters as if they were in with the plot. TOVR your name belies your attitude, it's high time you become reasonable. Wigan were a joke a few years ago but nobody thought they deserved to be relegated on the basis of their field performances.

Good post Writer, my sentiments too. One thing I have noticed that posters with user names professing a 'balanced and considered' view rarely' if ever, actually do. Examples include TVoR, Reality50, Correctness, Murphyslaw, Truthsetter etc etc... those coupled with bitter and gloating City fans who can't wait to post at the first smell of 'Bulls blood' are ever increasing on these comment sites. Sad isn't it - talk about misnomers!

Still confident that the "hole" will be the new HQ?

Nobheads!!! Bulls have been badly mismanaged for years and had dickheads running the club. All those lard arses haven their photo taken at Odsal yesterday saying that the club was saved want to sober up and get to Greggs or go on a diet. The club is for the knackers yard and SL have only looked to prop usup til ed of season. The club is dead in the water.

Let the RFL bring in tossers from Fax of Fev, let them get aresholed every week and bring one man and his dog to watch.

Tossers!!!

Sheffieldbull wrote:

Writer wrote:
There are a number of idiots on this forum who to seem to to be taking great delight in the present predicament the Bulls and supporters find themselves in. If you have nothing positive to say then why don't you all shove off and kick someone else who is down. I wouldn't wish our situation on any club or its supporters. Since Easter every game has been our potentially last one, any information has been strictly rationed and administered by drip feed. Some of us gave our hard earned cash and were taken for a ride (a short one) by the previous board. They are the culprits not the supporters so stop picking on us. the Bulls are all about the 3 or 4 teams who play every week, the 130 or so employed at Odsal, the 10K solid core supporters and local business people.

The real R/L supporters have rallied round and some have posted their welcome comments on this forum. I wouldn't wish to see any club go down, I'd much rather see more clubs being added to Super League.

In short sensible debate yes but not stupid remarks about how the Bulls have lied and referring to the supporters as if they were in with the plot. TOVR your name belies your attitude, it's high time you become reasonable. Wigan were a joke a few years ago but nobody thought they deserved to be relegated on the basis of their field performances.

Good post Writer, my sentiments too. One thing I have noticed that posters with user names professing a 'balanced and considered' view rarely' if ever, actually do. Examples include TVoR, Reality50, Correctness, Murphyslaw, Truthsetter etc etc... those coupled with bitter and gloating City fans who can't wait to post at the first smell of 'Bulls blood' are ever increasing on these comment sites. Sad isn't it - talk about misnomers!

As I remember it Sheffbull you were one of the Rsoles I referred to who were gloating yesterday when you thought the club was saved only to be red faced again when you discovered the new bidders were smiling assassins."balanced and considered" you wouldn't begin to understand the meaning. The Bulls are looking to be well and truly stuffed and all your peeping from behind closed curtains, huffing and puffing using your disgusting insults will change nothing. You don't like to hear it sunshine do you?.

Schoey 2 wrote:
Nobheads!!! Bulls have been badly mismanaged for years and had dickheads running the club. All those lard arses haven their photo taken at Odsal yesterday saying that the club was saved want to sober up and get to Greggs or go on a diet. The club is for the knackers yard and SL have only looked to prop usup til ed of season. The club is dead in the water.

Let the RFL bring in tossers from Fax of Fev, let them get aresholed every week and bring one man and his dog to watch.

Tossers!!!

Why you getting at Fax and Fev?
They haven't done anything wrong.

murphyslaw wrote:

Sheffieldbull wrote:

Writer wrote:
There are a number of idiots on this forum who to seem to to be taking great delight in the present predicament the Bulls and supporters find themselves in. If you have nothing positive to say then why don't you all shove off and kick someone else who is down. I wouldn't wish our situation on any club or its supporters. Since Easter every game has been our potentially last one, any information has been strictly rationed and administered by drip feed. Some of us gave our hard earned cash and were taken for a ride (a short one) by the previous board. They are the culprits not the supporters so stop picking on us. the Bulls are all about the 3 or 4 teams who play every week, the 130 or so employed at Odsal, the 10K solid core supporters and local business people.

The real R/L supporters have rallied round and some have posted their welcome comments on this forum. I wouldn't wish to see any club go down, I'd much rather see more clubs being added to Super League.

In short sensible debate yes but not stupid remarks about how the Bulls have lied and referring to the supporters as if they were in with the plot. TOVR your name belies your attitude, it's high time you become reasonable. Wigan were a joke a few years ago but nobody thought they deserved to be relegated on the basis of their field performances.

Good post Writer, my sentiments too. One thing I have noticed that posters with user names professing a 'balanced and considered' view rarely' if ever, actually do. Examples include TVoR, Reality50, Correctness, Murphyslaw, Truthsetter etc etc... those coupled with bitter and gloating City fans who can't wait to post at the first smell of 'Bulls blood' are ever increasing on these comment sites. Sad isn't it - talk about misnomers!

As I remember it Sheffbull you were one of the Rsoles I referred to who were gloating yesterday when you thought the club was saved only to be red faced again when you discovered the new bidders were smiling assassins."bala
nced and considered" you wouldn't begin to understand the meaning. The Bulls are looking to be well and truly stuffed and all your peeping from behind closed curtains, huffing and puffing using your disgusting insults will change nothing. You don't like to hear it sunshine do you?.

Wrong as usual you sanctimonious tool, I saw nothing more than it appeared so scoot back to your pulpit and resist the temptation to to be a bigger fool than you already are.

Writer wrote:
There are a number of idiots on this forum who to seem to to be taking great delight in the present predicament the Bulls and supporters find themselves in. If you have nothing positive to say then why don't you all shove off and kick someone else who is down. I wouldn't wish our situation on any club or its supporters. Since Easter every game has been our potentially last one, any information has been strictly rationed and administered by drip feed. Some of us gave our hard earned cash and were taken for a ride (a short one) by the previous board. They are the culprits not the supporters so stop picking on us. the Bulls are all about the 3 or 4 teams who play every week, the 130 or so employed at Odsal, the 10K solid core supporters and local business people.

The real R/L supporters have rallied round and some have posted their welcome comments on this forum. I wouldn't wish to see any club go down, I'd much rather see more clubs being added to Super League.

In short sensible debate yes but not stupid remarks about how the Bulls have lied and referring to the supporters as if they were in with the plot. TOVR your name belies your attitude, it's high time you become reasonable. Wigan were a joke a few years ago but nobody thought they deserved to be relegated on the basis of their field performances.

Totally agree with you, one of these Murphy type laws come to mind!

IE

15. Law of Logical Argument- Anything is possible if you don't know what you are talking about.

Many of the posters with negative reasons why we shouldn't exist as a club. never reason it out properly.

As you say, what decision would the RFL take if it was Wigan-St. Helens who needed help?

At some time they are going to have to take a sensible approach, and realise we aren't talking about just the integrity of the sport, we are talking about our people, and what our game means to them (I mean all RL supporters, not just the Bulls) the reaction from other clubs gives a "There for the grace of God, go I" scenario, and if the RFL thought about it they would be putting together packages to help us all to keep afloat...shrinkage is not the answer...because that just leaves a bigger set of collateral damage, to more people than is neccessary.

Personally speaking, I would sooner someone start a phoenix club and put that money to creating a strong future. In a sport that doesn't generate much money for the owners, what return would someone get in plowing in £1.5m and then will need to spend more on the ground in either buying it back or renting it and then more on players. I am sorry, but starting afresh is the only logical solution to move forward. I would hate to see the continuing stagnation for the next decade or 2 of what was the greatest club in super league.

A phoenix club in a division or 2 below and then try and get back in and any funds can be used to invest in the future as opposed to investing in the past and then struggling and worrying about staying in the top division that IF we do bow out, may struggle big time to get back in.

Phoenix club is the best answer for the long term. Let's top thinking short term.

Ken Bates could come in and offer 7p to the £1. Joking apart, why hasn't such a CVA been put forward?

Thee Voice of Reason wrote:

Schoey 2 wrote:
Nobheads!!! Bulls have been badly mismanaged for years and had dickheads running the club. All those lard arses haven their photo taken at Odsal yesterday saying that the club was saved want to sober up and get to Greggs or go on a diet. The club is for the knackers yard and SL have only looked to prop usup til ed of season. The club is dead in the water.

Let the RFL bring in tossers from Fax of Fev, let them get aresholed every week and bring one man and his dog to watch.

Tossers!!!

Why you getting at Fax and Fev?
They haven't done anything wrong.

Think it is frustartion and passion over riding his logic thinking. I am not happy about the situation either, but I think the problem goes back to before the previous board to be honest. They were clues there when Caisley stood down originally if you read closely beteen the lines. As a Bulls even a Northern supporter, I thought I would never say this, but Fax and Fev are more deserving of our place than we are. There is more important things in life to worry about if our football club or rugby club win, lose or draw, flourish or go to the wire.

Worst case scenario, we come through this, someone comes in, we will struggle and will be relegated.

Other worst case scenario, we go under and start again with no debt and no players worried about their career whose heart is not in progressing with the Bulls. It will work for Rangers in the long term, and it will work for Bradford.

We should be made an example of and shown as a wake up call to the entire sport. The RL/SL has been mismanaged and is one of the most corrupt sports week in week out. I do foresee a Superleague 1 and 2, and when that does happen, we want a fresh club that can grow, not a club that is stagnating and looking back.

Passion and anger is there, but it is no good to anyone if we aim it at other clubs. Let others mock, let others have a dig, to be honest, we would do the same. Let's take it on the chin and move on.

LuvFootball wrote:
Personally speaking, I would sooner someone start a phoenix club and put that money to creating a strong future. In a sport that doesn't generate much money for the owners, what return would someone get in plowing in £1.5m and then will need to spend more on the ground in either buying it back or renting it and then more on players. I am sorry, but starting afresh is the only logical solution to move forward. I would hate to see the continuing stagnation for the next decade or 2 of what was the greatest club in super league.

A phoenix club in a division or 2 below and then try and get back in and any funds can be used to invest in the future as opposed to investing in the past and then struggling and worrying about staying in the top division that IF we do bow out, may struggle big time to get back in.

Phoenix club is the best answer for the long term. Let's top thinking short term.

Ken Bates could come in and offer 7p to the £1. Joking apart, why hasn't such a CVA been put forward?

I would support either a Phoenix club (like AFC Telford) or a protest cub (like FC United) rather than continue with this farce. Let's bring back Bradfird Northern

trueBradfordian wrote:

LuvFootball wrote:
Personally speaking, I would sooner someone start a phoenix club and put that money to creating a strong future. In a sport that doesn't generate much money for the owners, what return would someone get in plowing in £1.5m and then will need to spend more on the ground in either buying it back or renting it and then more on players. I am sorry, but starting afresh is the only logical solution to move forward. I would hate to see the continuing stagnation for the next decade or 2 of what was the greatest club in super league.

A phoenix club in a division or 2 below and then try and get back in and any funds can be used to invest in the future as opposed to investing in the past and then struggling and worrying about staying in the top division that IF we do bow out, may struggle big time to get back in.

Phoenix club is the best answer for the long term. Let's top thinking short term.

Ken Bates could come in and offer 7p to the £1. Joking apart, why hasn't such a CVA been put forward?

I would support either a Phoenix club (like AFC Telford) or a protest cub (like FC United) rather than continue with this farce. Let's bring back Bradfird Northern

Agree with you there 100% pal.

its a sad time for rl the fans who pay, the players who earn a living. these are the abused. fans are niggling at each other. unite for the good of rl. i watch salford city reds and the bulls. i fear that fans and players at salford reds, are not being given the whole picture. salford and 2/3 other superleague clubs, are are very vunerable.perhaps it will be 10 superleague clubs. if administration strikes others, as it has bradford bulls

salford red wrote:
its a sad time for rl the fans who pay, the players who earn a living. these are the abused. fans are niggling at each other. unite for the good of rl. i watch salford city reds and the bulls. i fear that fans and players at salford reds, are not being given the whole picture. salford and 2/3 other superleague clubs, are are very vunerable.perhaps it will be 10 superleague clubs. if administration strikes others, as it has bradford bulls

Which is why RL and SL need to get it's house into order. By making an example of us, it will set a precedent that no matter who you are, no matter how big you are, if you are going down, you will go down.

We have had help from the SLE, but that is more in the interest of SL for all fixtures and TV contracts to be obligated. What would the implications be for TV broadcasters and SL rights if one of the major clubs go under.

The SLE are helping the Bulls, not to help the Bulls, but to help SL.

Whatever happens, there will not be a Bradford club in SL next season

Sheffieldbull wrote:

murphyslaw wrote:

Sheffieldbull wrote:

Writer wrote:
There are a number of idiots on this forum who to seem to to be taking great delight in the present predicament the Bulls and supporters find themselves in. If you have nothing positive to say then why don't you all shove off and kick someone else who is down. I wouldn't wish our situation on any club or its supporters. Since Easter every game has been our potentially last one, any information has been strictly rationed and administered by drip feed. Some of us gave our hard earned cash and were taken for a ride (a short one) by the previous board. They are the culprits not the supporters so stop picking on us. the Bulls are all about the 3 or 4 teams who play every week, the 130 or so employed at Odsal, the 10K solid core supporters and local business people.

The real R/L supporters have rallied round and some have posted their welcome comments on this forum. I wouldn't wish to see any club go down, I'd much rather see more clubs being added to Super League.

In short sensible debate yes but not stupid remarks about how the Bulls have lied and referring to the supporters as if they were in with the plot. TOVR your name belies your attitude, it's high time you become reasonable. Wigan were a joke a few years ago but nobody thought they deserved to be relegated on the basis of their field performances.

Good post Writer, my sentiments too. One thing I have noticed that posters with user names professing a 'balanced and considered' view rarely' if ever, actually do. Examples include TVoR, Reality50, Correctness, Murphyslaw, Truthsetter etc etc... those coupled with bitter and gloating City fans who can't wait to post at the first smell of 'Bulls blood' are ever increasing on these comment sites. Sad isn't it - talk about misnomers!

As I remember it Sheffbull you were one of the Rsoles I referred to who were gloating yesterday when you thought the club was saved only to be red faced again when you discovered the new bidders were smiling assassins."bala

nced and considered" you wouldn't begin to understand the meaning. The Bulls are looking to be well and truly stuffed and all your peeping from behind closed curtains, huffing and puffing using your disgusting insults will change nothing. You don't like to hear it sunshine do you?.

Wrong as usual you sanctimonious tool, I saw nothing more than it appeared so scoot back to your pulpit and resist the temptation to to be a bigger fool than you already are.

Hey you, are you deaf? I said are you still confident of the "hole" being the new HQ?
Or are you doing your usual thing and pretending nothing was asked?

You talking to me Timmy lovey? I'll get back to you soon sweet cheeks - you're missing me too much - how was your journey back from Hull - bet you had a 'squeaky bum' if you know what i mean - Lovechild thingy will be jealous!

The fans on here still just dont get it.

The RFL have taken a moral stance and rightly.

The creditors WILL be paid or Championship is the message.

So get raising that million fans then the club is yours.

If 400000 was raised in a month you now have 2 or 3 months to raise the debt and become owners.

I am so pleased the RFL are taking this view.

Why should Caisley have lived to see another day whilst 1.5 million of debt went unpaid.

Legalised theft has being stopped dead in its tracks and the RFL are to be applauded from the rooftops.

So get busy you fans.

Mr Tordoff offered a pound and was prepared to take on the debt.Rejected as the manipulative game of legalised theft was allowed to fester for a couple of months.

Good riddance to bad rubbish with all the idiots that have steered this ship to the edge of bankruptcy.

I cannot believe the people on hear that criticise the RFL in this.

Without them the Bulls were dead.

Please dont tell me ABC were offering 3 million.joke.on the back of a fag packet with help from uncle Raz of Rangoon.
Would not take much to do due dilligence on that lot.


Now is the time to orchestrate a collective effort by big hearted Bradfordians.

The RFL are sat on a gem that only they may have the funds to be able to take odsal to its full potential.

Why use Old Trafford?

trueBradfordian wrote:

LuvFootball wrote:
Personally speaking, I would sooner someone start a phoenix club and put that money to creating a strong future. In a sport that doesn't generate much money for the owners, what return would someone get in plowing in £1.5m and then will need to spend more on the ground in either buying it back or renting it and then more on players. I am sorry, but starting afresh is the only logical solution to move forward. I would hate to see the continuing stagnation for the next decade or 2 of what was the greatest club in super league.

A phoenix club in a division or 2 below and then try and get back in and any funds can be used to invest in the future as opposed to investing in the past and then struggling and worrying about staying in the top division that IF we do bow out, may struggle big time to get back in.

Phoenix club is the best answer for the long term. Let's top thinking short term.

Ken Bates could come in and offer 7p to the £1. Joking apart, why hasn't such a CVA been put forward?

I would support either a Phoenix club (like AFC Telford) or a protest cub (like FC United) rather than continue with this farce. Let's bring back Bradfird Northern

I quote the Law of Logical Argument:

Quote:
"Anything is possible if you don't know what you're talking about."
Unquote:

With respect you haven't been there!

It took Bradford Northern nearly 25 years from 1964 to 1989 to begin the recovery from a "Phoenix Club" they began to get their act together in the 80s, and then we discovered Ellery Hanley, only for him to go to pastures new, because we couldn't afford his demands...Keith Mumby was our stalwart, and many people credit him with us keeping afloat in those days.

So respectfully once again can I say, that to go back to what we were is a very negative response. The only way is to not give in and to keep fighting for the future of our club.
I won't give in, and thank goodness we have thousands of other supporters who think the same.

However you are entitled to your viewpoints, just don't spread it amongst the troops.

Kind Regards

Mick Gledhill wrote:

paulbull wrote: So Hood and Bennett Hope your proud of yourselves the scale of your mismanagement is now coming to light.  The enormity of your incompetence is staggering and I hope you are taken to task by the authorities. Remember we are £1,500,000 in debt AFTER robbing the supporters of £500,000 in pledges and selling the lease to the RFL for £1,250,000.  That's a total of £3,250,000 amounted in debts  .This needs investigating.

Ultimately it was the untimely intervention that has caused administration. Don't you forget that!!

Yes so when SC declared administration and there was only 20000 to pay the wages of 260000 are you saying hood would have become harry houdini.

Come on the Bulls were insolvent for a long time and I bet some suppliers have not being paid in a year.

Herer comes the blame game.

I see that the Bulls have had ten years of financial and legal management of the lowest order

raisemeup wrote:

trueBradfordian wrote:

LuvFootball wrote:
Personally speaking, I would sooner someone start a phoenix club and put that money to creating a strong future. In a sport that doesn't generate much money for the owners, what return would someone get in plowing in £1.5m and then will need to spend more on the ground in either buying it back or renting it and then more on players. I am sorry, but starting afresh is the only logical solution to move forward. I would hate to see the continuing stagnation for the next decade or 2 of what was the greatest club in super league.

A phoenix club in a division or 2 below and then try and get back in and any funds can be used to invest in the future as opposed to investing in the past and then struggling and worrying about staying in the top division that IF we do bow out, may struggle big time to get back in.

Phoenix club is the best answer for the long term. Let's top thinking short term.

Ken Bates could come in and offer 7p to the £1. Joking apart, why hasn't such a CVA been put forward?

I would support either a Phoenix club (like AFC Telford) or a protest cub (like FC United) rather than continue with this farce. Let's bring back Bradfird Northern

I quote the Law of Logical Argument:

Quote:
"Anything is possible if you don't know what you're talking about."
Unquote:

With respect you haven't been there!

It took Bradford Northern nearly 25 years from 1964 to 1989 to begin the recovery from a "Phoenix Club" they began to get their act together in the 80s, and then we discovered Ellery Hanley, only for him to go to pastures new, because we couldn't afford his demands...Keith Mumby was our stalwart, and many people credit him with us keeping afloat in those days.

So respectfully once again can I say, that to go back to what we were is a very negative response. The only way is to not give in and to keep fighting for the future of our club.
I won't give in, and thank goodness we have thousands of other supporters who think the same.

However you are entitled to your viewpoints, just don't spread it amongst the troops.

Kind Regards

Thank you for allowing me a viewpoint. As for spreading amongst the troops, isn't that what the comment section is for? Or would you prefer all comments to be completely aligned with your point of view?

I've been there too. I'm older than I look.

There's no disgrace in supporting a club that has fallen on hard times. I'm proud to support all Bradford's teams, not least Park Avenue, despite them having fallen from grace.

Much as I want to see the Bulls survive and prosper, I don't see Super League membership as the be all and end all. I believe the majority of true fans would stay loyal whatever happens, and a season or two rebuilding at a lower level might actually be good for the club.

You too are entitled to your opinion. I would be interested to know if you would see relegation as some kind of catastrophe, if whether you would get behind the club.