Fears as fly-tipping gets ‘out of control’ (From Bradford Telegraph and Argus)

Shows you how much respect these people have for the place, city, country they live in.

I can't worry about fly tipping when there's so much drug and gun related crime in Bradford.
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Congratulations and really well done to the Police for their successes over the last couple of weeks tackling this problem. These officers are so brave ... thank you.
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I now understand why things are so unsettled - male youths/gangs are very very nervous ... they're all walking around with their 4 legged weapons for reassurance more than usual. Even the driving's on the roads seems a bit more erratic than usual and the pattern of visitors to key properties has changed.
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Keep up the hard work guys and do make sure you let the public know what information you!
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Bradford Council - can we please have the gang tags, which have been spray painted onto certain business properties, removed. These guys are like tom cats they p!ss and mark their territory.

Oh and also, along with ceasing cash and drugs, can you check out the properties they live in or rent out - you'll find you can confiscate these too because they've been bought wholely or in significant part/s with large sums of cash that can't be accounted for because it came from drug and other related crime.
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Don't worry where their families will live, you won't be able to cease all their properties because they own too many - they might wing and grown a bit though!

I don't understand fly tippers, they drive somewhere and dump waste when there's a council tip not far from anyone in Bradford so why don't they drive to those.

It starts with people who allow the streets to fill with dropped litter, these people don't care and have no regards for how a street looks.

Stand next to any rubbish bin in any street and observe people walking past it dropping litter on the floor within 10 yards of a waste bin.
Round them up and make them clean the streets if it's not against their human rights.

cibasteve wrote:
I don't understand fly tippers, they drive somewhere and dump waste when there's a council tip not far from anyone in Bradford so why don't they drive to those.

It starts with people who allow the streets to fill with dropped litter, these people don't care and have no regards for how a street looks.

Stand next to any rubbish bin in any street and observe people walking past it dropping litter on the floor within 10 yards of a waste bin.
Round them up and make them clean the streets if it's not against their human rights.

Tell me about it. I think it must be because they not very intelligent, or haven't been brought up right. There is a plethora of liter bins in my area yet the school children from Challenge(d) College leave a stream of crisp packets and pop tins behind them every day. I have contacted the school several times but they don't even bother to reply.

Littering and fly-tipping are criminal offences, so why do the Police have no interest and always tell you to speak to the Council?

thatsnotmyname wrote:
Shows you how much respect these people have for the place, city, country they live in.

..or are born in.

birday wrote:
I can't worry about fly tipping when there's so much drug and gun related crime in Bradford.
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Congratulations and really well done to the Police for their successes over the last couple of weeks tackling this problem. These officers are so brave ... thank you.
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I now understand why things are so unsettled - male youths/gangs are very very nervous ... they're all walking around with their 4 legged weapons for reassurance more than usual. Even the driving's on the roads seems a bit more erratic than usual and the pattern of visitors to key properties has changed.
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Keep up the hard work guys and do make sure you let the public know what information you!
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Bradford Council - can we please have the gang tags, which have been spray painted onto certain business properties, removed. These guys are like tom cats they p!ss and mark their territory.

Sorry I have to disagree. Whereas gun crime is worrying it is still a remote possibility that you will personally encounter , be involved in, or witness such offences, but littering and fly-tipping blight our lives on a daily basis. In my opinion, littering and fly-tipping are far more anti-social than drugs, but The Police are simply not interested.

The Police are far too interested in the perceived problem of 'drugs', but turn a blind eye to all the alcoholic street drinkers who constantly litter the place with their discarded beer tins and vodka bottles.

Well Well flytipping again, YES its getting out of hand and costing Thousands which could be better spent. It's states fines of £50'000 could be given (where) all we see is slap on hand punishments, £100, community orders what a big joke. Bigger punishments need to be given and those who now that these cowboys are taking away their rubbish should also be fined. As for the guy saying hes not bothered about fly tipping are you one of these. Its is up to the council to take notice and action first, then if they have the evidence arrests need to happen and once found guilty name and shame the people.

Quite a few years ago, we had a single bed to dispose of so I rang the Council. Woman said to leave it where I left my wheelie bin on the grass verge but it would be 10 days to 3 weeks before collection. By chance, my husband saw the Council guys in the village and gave them a tenner. They picked it up from the back door.

a reasonable sort of chap wrote:
The Police are far too interested in the perceived problem of 'drugs', but turn a blind eye to all the alcoholic street drinkers who constantly litter the place with their discarded beer tins and vodka bottles.

Not a perceived problem, 40% of all crime is drug related, hardly perceived!

As for litter and fly tipping….. Have you noticed that most litter is packaging from unhealthy products like cigs, sugary drinks, sweets, crisps, fast food, and alcohol? So not only are unhealthy people a drain on the NHS, they also cause 90% of the litter.
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How often have you seen organic fruit packaging discarded callously, or a fresh fruit juice bottle?
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Low intelligence is definitely the reason people litter, too thick you look after themselves or the environment they live in!

Bone_idle18 wrote:

a reasonable sort of chap wrote:
The Police are far too interested in the perceived problem of 'drugs', but turn a blind eye to all the alcoholic street drinkers who constantly litter the place with their discarded beer tins and vodka bottles.

Not a perceived problem, 40% of all crime is drug related, hardly perceived!

Then legalize and regulate the supply of drugs and instantly remove the trade from the hands of criminals. It is precisely because drugs are illegal that it is a lucrative criminal enterprise. When you ban something, a black market is instantly created, as the demand still exists and won't go away.

Bone_idle18 wrote:
As for litter and fly tipping….. Have you noticed that most litter is packaging from unhealthy products like cigs, sugary drinks, sweets, crisps, fast food, and alcohol? So not only are unhealthy people a drain on the NHS, they also cause 90% of the litter.
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How often have you seen organic fruit packaging discarded callously, or a fresh fruit juice bottle?
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Low intelligence is definitely the reason people litter, too thick you look after themselves or the environment they live in!

Yes and the ubiquitous McDonald's carton!

There are even people who buy this crap then sit on their fat loathsome behinds in their cars on someone else's street whilst stuffing their fat faces with greasy muck, then simply throw their rubbish out the car window. If these low-life morons are ever caught their cars ought to be seized and crushed.

a reasonable sort of chap wrote:

Bone_idle18 wrote:

a reasonable sort of chap wrote:
The Police are far too interested in the perceived problem of 'drugs', but turn a blind eye to all the alcoholic street drinkers who constantly litter the place with their discarded beer tins and vodka bottles.

Not a perceived problem, 40% of all crime is drug related, hardly perceived!

Then legalize and regulate the supply of drugs and instantly remove the trade from the hands of criminals. It is precisely because drugs are illegal that it is a lucrative criminal enterprise. When you ban something, a black market is instantly created, as the demand still exists and won't go away.

If drugs were legalised we would simply have a large section of the population who were as useless and sponging as you, and no deterrent whatsoever.
Stick to the topic instead of using every available thread to promote your own agenda.
Back to the story, I can't agree with the point that one type of crime should be pursued to the exclusion of others, if something is wrong it is wrong and the Police and Council and all of us should do our bit, no matter how many times some of us claim to have been ignored.

cibasteve wrote:
I don't understand fly tippers, they drive somewhere and dump waste when there's a council tip not far from anyone in Bradford so why don't they drive to those.

It starts with people who allow the streets to fill with dropped litter, these people don't care and have no regards for how a street looks.

Stand next to any rubbish bin in any street and observe people walking past it dropping litter on the floor within 10 yards of a waste bin.
Round them up and make them clean the streets if it's not against their human rights.

From the picture it looks like there might be commercial waste being dumped there. Council tip certainly used to be reluctant to let that in without paying.
As to unadopted road- I bet it's not! Those Victorian lawyers actually knew there stuff, and if you check deeds you'll probably find the road is clearly detailed as continuation of the plots for the houses, with mutual rights of access for all in the residences- so dumping there is the same as someone dumping stuff in a garden+potentially blocking of an access right. Unadopted roads are those where nobody know who owns the land the road is on. Council here seems way to keen on saying roads are unadopted simply because they don't own them/can't be bothered checking with the land registry! Regardless it might be worthwhile getting environmental health involved- if's it building waste you couldn't be certain there's nothing hazardous like asbestos in it.

a reasonable sort of chap wrote:

Bone_idle18 wrote:
As for litter and fly tipping….. Have you noticed that most litter is packaging from unhealthy products like cigs, sugary drinks, sweets, crisps, fast food, and alcohol? So not only are unhealthy people a drain on the NHS, they also cause 90% of the litter.
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How often have you seen organic fruit packaging discarded callously, or a fresh fruit juice bottle?
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Low intelligence is definitely the reason people litter, too thick you look after themselves or the environment they live in!

Yes and the ubiquitous McDonald's carton!

There are even people who buy this crap then sit on their fat loathsome behinds in their cars on someone else's street whilst stuffing their fat faces with greasy muck, then simply throw their rubbish out the car window. If these low-life morons are ever caught their cars ought to be seized and crushed.

yes agree, those morons that don't have a brain in their head and throw litter into the streets after eating their fast food from their car seats should be followed home and all the rubbish should be shovelled through their letter box at home!

SouthEastAsianBradfo
rdian wrote:

a reasonable sort of chap wrote:

Bone_idle18 wrote:
As for litter and fly tipping….. Have you noticed that most litter is packaging from unhealthy products like cigs, sugary drinks, sweets, crisps, fast food, and alcohol? So not only are unhealthy people a drain on the NHS, they also cause 90% of the litter.
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How often have you seen organic fruit packaging discarded callously, or a fresh fruit juice bottle?
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Low intelligence is definitely the reason people litter, too thick you look after themselves or the environment they live in!

Yes and the ubiquitous McDonald's carton!

There are even people who buy this crap then sit on their fat loathsome behinds in their cars on someone else's street whilst stuffing their fat faces with greasy muck, then simply throw their rubbish out the car window. If these low-life morons are ever caught their cars ought to be seized and crushed.

yes agree, those morons that don't have a brain in their head and throw litter into the streets after eating their fast food from their car seats should be followed home and all the rubbish should be shovelled through their letter box at home!

I've actually done that, well sort of. I found a carrier bag of rubbish thrown over the wall into my garden, and it contained a gas bill, so I went round to the address and shoved all the rubbish (a couple of beer bottles, a Coke tin, some tissues, fag packets, etc) through their letterbox.

Albion. wrote:

a reasonable sort of chap wrote:

Bone_idle18 wrote:

a reasonable sort of chap wrote:
The Police are far too interested in the perceived problem of 'drugs', but turn a blind eye to all the alcoholic street drinkers who constantly litter the place with their discarded beer tins and vodka bottles.

Not a perceived problem, 40% of all crime is drug related, hardly perceived!

Then legalize and regulate the supply of drugs and instantly remove the trade from the hands of criminals. It is precisely because drugs are illegal that it is a lucrative criminal enterprise. When you ban something, a black market is instantly created, as the demand still exists and won't go away.

If drugs were legalised we would simply have a large section of the population who were as useless and sponging as you, and no deterrent whatsoever.
Stick to the topic instead of using every available thread to promote your own agenda.
Back to the story, I can't agree with the point that one type of crime should be pursued to the exclusion of others, if something is wrong it is wrong and the Police and Council and all of us should do our bit, no matter how many times some of us claim to have been ignored.

I am sticking to the topic. They make a big deal out of the drugs issue and concentrate on that to the exclusion of anti-social behaviour caused by other (legal) drugs such as Alcohol. That's the point. Most of the litter in this area, besides the stuff dropped by kids every day, consists of beer tins and cider bottles discarded by the drunks.

Its ok for the councillors to say contact their environmental team
( have any of you tried !!!!, you can't get through especially at weekends when this tipping takes place ). Both the council and police need to look at a more proactive approach and start to operate in the areas where this occurs at nights and weekends, not just days. and for ticking ' YOUR VOTE on issues' what does this acheive it is a T& A PR excercise, do we get any feed back from 'Your Vote' !!

pollywolly wrote:
Quite a few years ago, we had a single bed to dispose of so I rang the Council. Woman said to leave it where I left my wheelie bin on the grass verge but it would be 10 days to 3 weeks before collection. By chance, my husband saw the Council guys in the village and gave them a tenner. They picked it up from the back door.

Hope your husband doesn't make a habit of giving strange blokes a tenna to sort out his back door problems.

On the subject, even when they are caught, slap slap naughty boy.

Slap or £100 a load?

Get that map out Roland, I sense a change in the weather.

a reasonable sort of chap wrote:

Albion. wrote:

a reasonable sort of chap wrote:

Bone_idle18 wrote:

a reasonable sort of chap wrote:
The Police are far too interested in the perceived problem of 'drugs', but turn a blind eye to all the alcoholic street drinkers who constantly litter the place with their discarded beer tins and vodka bottles.

Not a perceived problem, 40% of all crime is drug related, hardly perceived!

Then legalize and regulate the supply of drugs and instantly remove the trade from the hands of criminals. It is precisely because drugs are illegal that it is a lucrative criminal enterprise. When you ban something, a black market is instantly created, as the demand still exists and won't go away.

If drugs were legalised we would simply have a large section of the population who were as useless and sponging as you, and no deterrent whatsoever.
Stick to the topic instead of using every available thread to promote your own agenda.
Back to the story, I can't agree with the point that one type of crime should be pursued to the exclusion of others, if something is wrong it is wrong and the Police and Council and all of us should do our bit, no matter how many times some of us claim to have been ignored.

I am sticking to the topic. They make a big deal out of the drugs issue and concentrate on that to the exclusion of anti-social behaviour caused by other (legal) drugs such as Alcohol. That's the point. Most of the litter in this area, besides the stuff dropped by kids every day, consists of beer tins and cider bottles discarded by the drunks.

This isn't about "the drugs issue" or beer cans and cider bottles.

The problem is the cost of disposal, which was increased by the Council and is now three times as expensive. It is cheeky that representatives of Bradford Council comment on this matter, as they are, in part, causing the problem.

Albion. wrote:

a reasonable sort of chap wrote:

Albion. wrote:

a reasonable sort of chap wrote:

Bone_idle18 wrote:

a reasonable sort of chap wrote:
The Police are far too interested in the perceived problem of 'drugs', but turn a blind eye to all the alcoholic street drinkers who constantly litter the place with their discarded beer tins and vodka bottles.

Not a perceived problem, 40% of all crime is drug related, hardly perceived!

Then legalize and regulate the supply of drugs and instantly remove the trade from the hands of criminals. It is precisely because drugs are illegal that it is a lucrative criminal enterprise. When you ban something, a black market is instantly created, as the demand still exists and won't go away.

If drugs were legalised we would simply have a large section of the population who were as useless and sponging as you, and no deterrent whatsoever.
Stick to the topic instead of using every available thread to promote your own agenda.
Back to the story, I can't agree with the point that one type of crime should be pursued to the exclusion of others, if something is wrong it is wrong and the Police and Council and all of us should do our bit, no matter how many times some of us claim to have been ignored.

I am sticking to the topic. They make a big deal out of the drugs issue and concentrate on that to the exclusion of anti-social behaviour caused by other (legal) drugs such as Alcohol. That's the point. Most of the litter in this area, besides the stuff dropped by kids every day, consists of beer tins and cider bottles discarded by the drunks.

This isn't about "the drugs issue" or beer cans and cider bottles.

But the Police are more interested in drugs than they are in fly-tipping, and in my opinion the latter is more anti-social than the former. Why do the Police refer people to the Council when reporting the crime of fly-tipping? Why don't the Police themselves investigate the crime of fly-tipping?

a reasonable sort of chap wrote:

Albion. wrote:

a reasonable sort of chap wrote:

Albion. wrote:

a reasonable sort of chap wrote:

Bone_idle18 wrote:

a reasonable sort of chap wrote:
The Police are far too interested in the perceived problem of 'drugs', but turn a blind eye to all the alcoholic street drinkers who constantly litter the place with their discarded beer tins and vodka bottles.

Not a perceived problem, 40% of all crime is drug related, hardly perceived!

Then legalize and regulate the supply of drugs and instantly remove the trade from the hands of criminals. It is precisely because drugs are illegal that it is a lucrative criminal enterprise. When you ban something, a black market is instantly created, as the demand still exists and won't go away.

If drugs were legalised we would simply have a large section of the population who were as useless and sponging as you, and no deterrent whatsoever.
Stick to the topic instead of using every available thread to promote your own agenda.
Back to the story, I can't agree with the point that one type of crime should be pursued to the exclusion of others, if something is wrong it is wrong and the Police and Council and all of us should do our bit, no matter how many times some of us claim to have been ignored.

I am sticking to the topic. They make a big deal out of the drugs issue and concentrate on that to the exclusion of anti-social behaviour caused by other (legal) drugs such as Alcohol. That's the point. Most of the litter in this area, besides the stuff dropped by kids every day, consists of beer tins and cider bottles discarded by the drunks.

This isn't about "the drugs issue" or beer cans and cider bottles.

But the Police are more interested in drugs than they are in fly-tipping, and in my opinion the latter is more anti-social than the former. Why do the Police refer people to the Council when reporting the crime of fly-tipping? Why don't the Police themselves investigate the crime of fly-tipping?

More to the point, why don't you stick to the topic?

The point of the article is that the council have refused to do anything about the mess for months until I wrote to the Telegraph. Only now do they want to appear pro active by sayng they will sort it. It doesn't take a genius to work out who has been dumping it there, it just takes a bit of effort.

If they do catch these criminals (big if) what if they go to the town hall to protest that it's there right to break the law and fly tip. Drove past trade'x on SUNDAY never been busier?

More Ham wrote:
I’ve appreciated lots of walking round the Calderdale, Kirklees and Bradford districts and in my opinion over the last few years the problem as steady increased. The number of cannabis grows thrown into the lanes and side roads are at epidemic proportions. Moreover the numbers of times I’ve seen and reported fly tipping, only to see it still there days later, together with the time you’re on hold whilst reporting, ultimately forced me to stop reporting such crimes. Sad I know, however the cost became too much for me to bear. Ed.
P.S. I’ve only a mobile phone. Ed.

Those bin liners full of cannabis trim ( ie. leaf) come in quite useful at times when you're skint. It's not a perfect smoke, of course, but better than nowt when times are hard!

And remember, it is only being dumped because it is illegal to grow or possess the stuff. If Cannabis were legal then people wouldn't have to dump it.

Albion. wrote:

a reasonable sort of chap wrote:

Albion. wrote:

a reasonable sort of chap wrote:

Albion. wrote:

a reasonable sort of chap wrote:

Bone_idle18 wrote:

a reasonable sort of chap wrote:
The Police are far too interested in the perceived problem of 'drugs', but turn a blind eye to all the alcoholic street drinkers who constantly litter the place with their discarded beer tins and vodka bottles.

Not a perceived problem, 40% of all crime is drug related, hardly perceived!

Then legalize and regulate the supply of drugs and instantly remove the trade from the hands of criminals. It is precisely because drugs are illegal that it is a lucrative criminal enterprise. When you ban something, a black market is instantly created, as the demand still exists and won't go away.

If drugs were legalised we would simply have a large section of the population who were as useless and sponging as you, and no deterrent whatsoever.
Stick to the topic instead of using every available thread to promote your own agenda.
Back to the story, I can't agree with the point that one type of crime should be pursued to the exclusion of others, if something is wrong it is wrong and the Police and Council and all of us should do our bit, no matter how many times some of us claim to have been ignored.

I am sticking to the topic. They make a big deal out of the drugs issue and concentrate on that to the exclusion of anti-social behaviour caused by other (legal) drugs such as Alcohol. That's the point. Most of the litter in this area, besides the stuff dropped by kids every day, consists of beer tins and cider bottles discarded by the drunks.

This isn't about "the drugs issue" or beer cans and cider bottles.

But the Police are more interested in drugs than they are in fly-tipping, and in my opinion the latter is more anti-social than the former. Why do the Police refer people to the Council when reporting the crime of fly-tipping? Why don't the Police themselves investigate the crime of fly-tipping?

More to the point, why don't you stick to the topic?

But I am.

Some time go Bradford MDC said it was going to get tough on people throwing litter out of cars. Well I have reported numerous offenders and I am quite willing to give evidence against them. At no stage am I aware of any such action being taken. Similarly before that they were going to take action on excessive noise emanating from cars. I did ask a while ago how many fixed penalties had been issued. Answer none. In either case it's pollution and BMDC seem unable or unwilling to deal with it. Toothless tiger or what?

I drive to work over Baildon Moor and quite frequently builders rubble is dumped in a layby, usually at night, but yesterday someone dumped a load of brickwork, render and wood during the day. Presumably someone must have seen them-if they are reported to the authorities, nothing seems to be done as it will be classed as hearsay, so why not name and shame them in the press as I am about to do now! Last night whilst driving home I saw pizza boxes, food cartons and various bits of paper being thrown out of a Vauxhall Vectra-registration number S3RYX.
I don't suppose it will make any difference as the people who do this are usually as thick as a brick in any event!