Bradford Bulls players 'in the dark' after crisis meeting cancelled (From Bradford Telegraph and Argus)

As if this bloke hasnt even had the curtesy to meet with the players. I went to the meeting last night and have seen him on TV soo much. I think this guy likes all the media attention on him to be fair. But regards to last nights meeting
Brendan Guilfoyle insinuated that the RFL will not allow a past director to be classed as a fit n proper person to run the club. Hence they would not allow a past director to take over the superleague franchise.
There was a lot of mickey mouse silly questionsd and proposals pout forward last night. The one hope we can hold out for is this Greenwoods Director and the Chinese backers they claim to have. The gentleman concerned seemed to have a lot of inside knowledge like the offers on the table for Kopjack, Gale, Bateman. The administrator advised that they were very poor offers and that he had refused to sell them at such a price
He also said clubs that had placed offers for a player had spoken to him and advised you did it to us so we are going to do to you what you did to us... We took Solomona off Wakefield etc under similar circumstances
Season tickets will still be valid on Sunday but the administrator said he needed 5000 paying fans through the gate to swell the bank account as there was only £20k in the account at the minute

This was all in place months ago, as I stated then. Please people wake up, get your heads out of the sand and smell the coffee.

It was also pretty clear that no fan wants Noble & no player it would seem wants Brian Noble Fair play to Franny Cummins too for rejecting Nobby's advances.

birkybull wrote:
It was also pretty clear that no fan wants Noble & no player it would seem wants Brian Noble Fair play to Franny Cummins too for rejecting Nobby's advances.

Are you for real! I'm no noble fan but if the guy is willing to do the job for free!! People like you really need to wake up and see the situation for what it is.

RE Fans meeting.....
Well done to the organisers for a thankless task under difficult circumstances to say the least.
I was horrified that the Director from Greenwood's was given a hard time by a few at the meeting, isn't that what we needed, massive investment from an interested party yet he was almost ridiculed by some and effectively dismissed by BG. Why was that? BG is a sharp tongued seasoned professional with only his interests at heart, believe me he is an assassin posing as the 'nice guy'!
Did anyone else notice a couple of his back tracks (some may say untruths!) - denied B.Noble was part of the plan and then later implying it was too good an offer to turn down - well, this one will prove itself or not, we won't have long to wait. The other was that he said he decided on the redundancies at his kitchen table on Sunday night - later he said that he didn't implement the redundancies last week so as not to disrupt the team in the run up to the Wigan game - what difference would that have really made to the overall survival on our club? Conflicting stories here.
Hope the guy from Greenwood's hasn't been totally put off by shabby treatment from the Administrators.... please God!
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Re Players meeting..... absolutely disgraceful! What else would you expect from this shower?

I see the situation. Noble WAS a friend of Potter but has stabbed him in the back to get the job... because no one else in rugby would give him a job, saying he would work for free. had he not done so Mick potter would still be in a job. Prepairing the players with a game plan for sunday.

birkybull wrote:
It was also pretty clear that no fan wants Noble & no player it would seem wants Brian Noble Fair play to Franny Cummins too for rejecting Nobby's advances.

Oh Yes they do

MeccaBingo1 wrote:
This was all in place months ago, as I stated then. Please people wake up, get your heads out of the sand and smell the coffee.

I like the positive approach but all the news currently coming out of the club is bad news.

Like I said how do we know the money season ticket holders have to pay on Sunday isn't just going to go straight the administrators to cover their fees, after all they are creditor No1.

birkybull wrote:
I see the situation. Noble WAS a friend of Potter but has stabbed him in the back to get the job... because no one else in rugby would give him a job, saying he would work for free. had he not done so Mick potter would still be in a job. Prepairing the players with a game plan for sunday.

Youdo talk a load of cr@p. How has Noble stabbed anyone in the back? There are a number of people up there who have but you can not lay that one at Nobbys door. How do you know Potter would still be in a job?

Agree with Voice of Reason about the money on Sunday, assuming the match actually goes ahead. Players and supporters have been left completely in the dark about what is happening to our club.

Does anyone know what has happened to the Bulls website. Tried to access and got an error message "address nto found"

I can't believe the fans don't want a Bradford lad who's coached the Bulls to five grand finals in a row and two WCC finals not to manage the Bulls.

MeccaBingo1 wrote:
This was all in place months ago, as I stated then. Please people wake up, get your heads out of the sand and smell the coffee.

Another point to Bingo and more on Thursday when his hero come charging up Manchester Road with a big fat juicy cheque Do you never give up talking about your forecasts?? One of these days somebody will say the eath will come to an end and in time it wil come tue.

If Noble rejected the chance to manage the Bulls in this crisis what would fans be saying then???

Let's get him on board, turn up in numbers on Sunday, pay on the gate if you can afford it and get behind the club. The players need their wages in two weeks time

Thee Voice of Reason wrote:

MeccaBingo1 wrote: This was all in place months ago, as I stated then. Please people wake up, get your heads out of the sand and smell the coffee.

I like the positive approach but all the news currently coming out of the club is bad news. Like I said how do we know the money season ticket holders have to pay on Sunday isn't just going to go straight the administrators to cover their fees, after all they are creditor No1.

According to the previous posts season tickets are still valid on Sunday so you do not have to pay to get in!
I also saw the mention of Solomona being signed from Wakefield in similar circumstances. What? We paid a fee for him and Wakefield were not in admin. If Wakefield had been relegated his contract would have been cancelled and we could have signed him for free but John Kear kept them up.

Thee Voice of Reason wrote:

MeccaBingo1 wrote:
This was all in place months ago, as I stated then. Please people wake up, get your heads out of the sand and smell the coffee.

I like the positive approach but all the news currently coming out of the club is bad news.

Like I said how do we know the money season ticket holders have to pay on Sunday isn't just going to go straight the administrators to cover their fees, after all they are creditor No1.

At the end of the day we all should show our support for the club and players at the game. Its that simple :-)

Bradfordbullsrule wrote:
Agree with Voice of Reason about the money on Sunday, assuming the match actually goes ahead. Players and supporters have been left completely in the dark about what is happening to our club. Does anyone know what has happened to the Bulls website. Tried to access and got an error message "address nto found"

Closed down yesterday

birkybull wrote:
I see the situation. Noble WAS a friend of Potter but has stabbed him in the back to get the job... because no one else in rugby would give him a job, saying he would work for free. had he not done so Mick potter would still be in a job. Prepairing the players with a game plan for sunday.

Potter would not work for free.

otleybull wrote:
I can't believe the fans don't want a Bradford lad who's coached the Bulls to five grand finals in a row and two WCC finals not to manage the Bulls.

I do!

The offer of a top glass coach to manage the bulls is too good a offer to refuse he is Bradford through and through so why knock him,it helps us out of a tough situation and gives the club some breathing space so get off nobbys back and get behind him and the squad for sundays game.

I personally wouldnt blame the players if they refuse to play on Sunday.

Treat with absolute contempt at the hands of Guilfoyle. He should be ashamed.

Omnishambles!

Hudzilla wrote:
I personally wouldnt blame the players if they refuse to play on Sunday. Treat with absolute contempt at the hands of Guilfoyle. He should be ashamed.

refuse to play in breach of contract?

The lack of truth coming from odsal is astounding, as TVOR states where will the gate money end up if the game goes ahead ?

blue marlin wrote:

Hudzilla wrote: I personally wouldnt blame the players if they refuse to play on Sunday. Treat with absolute contempt at the hands of Guilfoyle. He should be ashamed.

refuse to play in breach of contract?

Contracts mean nothing id there is no club.

Website "offline", players meeting cancelled .... big announcement coming today I reckon.

As for Nobby, well if the rumours are true, then if he is willing to come back for free (for a while) and it helps keep the club together then I would not object.

We might not like it as fans, but in this situation I'm afraid it seems that old fashioned concepts like decency and morals are out (otherwise MP wouldn't have been shown the door). In this respect, Guilfoyle is only doing his job, whether we like it or not.

I cannot see why Brian Noble would get involved because come the end of the week there will not be a club to manage.

I have had a sneak that its gone too far and cannot be now saved. The discussion behind closed doors is now around a new 2012 club forming to be known as Bradford New Northern and competing in the third tier of Rugby next season.

Afraid Bulls fans...its over another Bradford representating sports club down the toilet.

Why should Potter work for free, and Noble is not free he has expenses and his contract from next season will include a retrospective payment for this season, and you are all assuming Noble can do it again, maybe you are wrong

YAY bring noble back - at elast we have a coach for FREE!... maybe this will help - you've got to give him a chance WE HAVE NO OTHER OPTIONS other than sink!!!!..... fingers crossed - but i feel for the players and the fans - us and the players deserve to know what the hell's going on!

Maybe the players should have kept quiet yesterday and waited for the meeting too much said on Twitter. Too many are jumping to conclusions. Everyone can stamp their feet as long as they like and it won't make one iota of difference. This Guy will do it his way and what people think doesn't matter a jot. So get used to it and see what transpires because that's the only option we have.

arthor61 wrote:
Why should Potter work for free, and Noble is not free he has expenses and his contract from next season will include a retrospective payment for this season, and you are all assuming Noble can do it again, maybe you are wrong

Yet again just like yesterday you are wrong. Noble will work for free this year.

I say let's just show how much we love the bulls we managed to get 500k last time
Lets go to the game Sunday pay the 20 pound which the players deserve and have a good day
I feel for potter and the players I really really do
Why they would play Sunday is beyond me no coaches no training facility no medical staff if they get knocks
Very risky
Come on let's not be beaten we love you Bradford! We do!!!!! COYB!!!!!

THEMANOFSTEEL wrote:
I say let's just show how much we love the bulls we managed to get 500k last time
Lets go to the game Sunday pay the 20 pound which the players deserve and have a good day
I feel for potter and the players I really really do
Why they would play Sunday is beyond me no coaches no training facility no medical staff if they get knocks
Very risky
Come on let's not be beaten we love you Bradford! We do!!!!! COYB!!!!!

Nice comments but I'm wondering how the RFL will view all this. I mean will they allow a team devoid of coaches and essential backroom staff to play?. I think there is plenty to come on this one. Surely the club as it is without essential staff does not qualify to play Super League?

I came away from the meeting last night even more annoyed and upset than before. Nothing was resolved and things are going to get alot worse before they get any better.

Hopefully this shambles has not gone too far, but it may have. In the end we want and need a rugby club. Hopefully a new co will come in and take what is left after Friday. It is clear however that RFL do not want Dick Turpin in charge.

Guilfoyle is Caisley's puppet. Can you not see that Caisley is pulling all the strings. Noble didnt mysteriously appear to offer his services for free an hour after Potter was sacked.
Guilfoyle doesnt want to speak with the other party because he is working to instructions from his paymaster Caisley.
I for one wont be paying in on Sunday as the money will not go to the players. I will also not renew my season ticket next year if there is any sniff of involvement from Caisley. The whole thing stinks and the smell goes right back to Caisley.

parader no1 wrote:
The lack of truth coming from odsal is astounding, as TVOR states where will the gate money end up if the game goes ahead ?

The administrator!...of course!.
The club is in administration!!

Sunday they should have a seperate counter for people who have paid the 20 pound and we should have a final of how much has been raised to show the players what the club means to us
I for one don't want to fork out anymore money but this is our club we must support them
I just hope to god people pay to see them Sunday
If 6k people pay 20 quid that's 120k come on you bulls!!!!

Think I may have to stop coming on here, it's all doom and gloom.
Get yourselves down to HQ on Friday and give yourselves something more positive to talk about.
Marching on together......

Hold on...people are critising Noble for saying he would work for free? Am I hearing that right? How can you afford to be sentimental? Your club is facing extinction and you think it's better to keep a man in a job because 'he's a good lad'?? If the club was to have kept everyone then the Bulls would only get wound up sooner....and then EVERYONE would be out of a job.

The administrators aren't doing what they are doing for the kicks...it's their job to try and make the company survive. People really ought to get off their high horses and hope the administrators can salvage the club from what the club has done to itself and be able to continue playing in the Super League!

BCFC1234 wrote:
Guilfoyle is Caisley's puppet. Can you not see that Caisley is pulling all the strings. Noble didnt mysteriously appear to offer his services for free an hour after Potter was sacked. Guilfoyle doesnt want to speak with the other party because he is working to instructions from his paymaster Caisley. I for one wont be paying in on Sunday as the money will not go to the players. I will also not renew my season ticket next year if there is any sniff of involvement from Caisley. The whole thing stinks and the smell goes right back to Caisley.

You need not worry renewing your season ticket as there will be no club.

As for slating Guilfoyle, he's the administator who has been brought in. What he does is only part of his job, it's whats gone before that has caused this mess.

I was in the ground floor training centre this morning, feel sorry for the players, they have no guidance or supervision, only the support of Ernie Benbow from the 1eague3.
Guilfoyle nowhere to be seen, locks to be changed soon.....

Essexbull2 wrote:
Website "offline", players meeting cancelled .... big announcement coming today I reckon.

As for Nobby, well if the rumours are true, then if he is willing to come back for free (for a while) and it helps keep the club together then I would not object.

We might not like it as fans, but in this situation I'm afraid it seems that old fashioned concepts like decency and morals are out (otherwise MP wouldn't have been shown the door). In this respect, Guilfoyle is only doing his job, whether we like it or not.

I have been reading and listening with great interest to all that is being said and it appears that most people are thinking with their hearts, and not their minds.
I do not like the fact that all the staff have been laid off especially as they must have all been putting in the hours in an attempt to save the club. The way Mick Potter and his team has turned the team around is fantastic and he must be an inspirational boss.
But the cold hard fact is there is no money. People are saying that it was wrong to let them go, that it is underhand to treat them in this way. But would it have been better to let them all keep working next month and then at the end of the month say “sorry, there is no money for wages and then not pay them”, because there isn’t any money.
All the staff have been told upfront that there is no money and they have had to be let go. They are I suppose all looking for new jobs as we all would be in their situation, and I understand that you don’t work for free, but if they were now to work for free that would be a great plus on their CV showing in actions the type of employee they are and the amount of commitment they would give to any perspective employer, just like putting any voluntary positions you hold on a CV.
I hope that the club comes out of this and we can all get on with our lives as usual and just worry about the score on a Sunday afternoon. There is only one winner here the administrator. Good luck to all involved.

kenny64mc wrote:

Essexbull2 wrote:
Website "offline", players meeting cancelled .... big announcement coming today I reckon.

As for Nobby, well if the rumours are true, then if he is willing to come back for free (for a while) and it helps keep the club together then I would not object.

We might not like it as fans, but in this situation I'm afraid it seems that old fashioned concepts like decency and morals are out (otherwise MP wouldn't have been shown the door). In this respect, Guilfoyle is only doing his job, whether we like it or not.

I have been reading and listening with great interest to all that is being said and it appears that most people are thinking with their hearts, and not their minds.
I do not like the fact that all the staff have been laid off especially as they must have all been putting in the hours in an attempt to save the club. The way Mick Potter and his team has turned the team around is fantastic and he must be an inspirational boss.
But the cold hard fact is there is no money. People are saying that it was wrong to let them go, that it is underhand to treat them in this way. But would it have been better to let them all keep working next month and then at the end of the month say “sorry, there is no money for wages and then not pay them”, because there isn’t any money.
All the staff have been told upfront that there is no money and they have had to be let go. They are I suppose all looking for new jobs as we all would be in their situation, and I understand that you don’t work for free, but if they were now to work for free that would be a great plus on their CV showing in actions the type of employee they are and the amount of commitment they would give to any perspective employer, just like putting any voluntary positions you hold on a CV.
I hope that the club comes out of this and we can all get on with our lives as usual and just worry about the score on a Sunday afternoon. There is only one winner here the administrator. Good luck to all involved.

Nice one kenny, so many have difficulty in grasping this point. The Administrator is not here to win hearts or make friends. It's hard but the only thing that matters to him is MONEY and there's not a lot of that about right now at Odsal.

If Noble wants to do it for free then great. It's better to have a coach than have no coach at all. The problem is is that there may not be a club to coach for much longer.

It said on Radio 5 live this am that the Administrator was hoping to have 2 weeks to sort this out. Anyone else heard this?

Potter for the sack wrote:

MeccaBingo1 wrote:
This was all in place months ago, as I stated then. Please people wake up, get your heads out of the sand and smell the coffee.

Another point to Bingo and more on Thursday when his hero come charging up Manchester Road with a big fat juicy cheque Do you never give up talking about your forecasts?? One of these days somebody will say the eath will come to an end and in time it wil come tue.

Do not think he will be coming up Manchester road! wink, wink. Not if he is coming from his home address ;-)

All will be revealed

murphyslaw wrote:

kenny64mc wrote:

Essexbull2 wrote:
Website "offline", players meeting cancelled .... big announcement coming today I reckon.

As for Nobby, well if the rumours are true, then if he is willing to come back for free (for a while) and it helps keep the club together then I would not object.

We might not like it as fans, but in this situation I'm afraid it seems that old fashioned concepts like decency and morals are out (otherwise MP wouldn't have been shown the door). In this respect, Guilfoyle is only doing his job, whether we like it or not.

I have been reading and listening with great interest to all that is being said and it appears that most people are thinking with their hearts, and not their minds.
I do not like the fact that all the staff have been laid off especially as they must have all been putting in the hours in an attempt to save the club. The way Mick Potter and his team has turned the team around is fantastic and he must be an inspirational boss.
But the cold hard fact is there is no money. People are saying that it was wrong to let them go, that it is underhand to treat them in this way. But would it have been better to let them all keep working next month and then at the end of the month say “sorry, there is no money for wages and then not pay them”, because there isn’t any money.
All the staff have been told upfront that there is no money and they have had to be let go. They are I suppose all looking for new jobs as we all would be in their situation, and I understand that you don’t work for free, but if they were now to work for free that would be a great plus on their CV showing in actions the type of employee they are and the amount of commitment they would give to any perspective employer, just like putting any voluntary positions you hold on a CV.
I hope that the club comes out of this and we can all get on with our lives as usual and just worry about the score on a Sunday afternoon. There is only one winner here the administrator. Good luck to all involved.

Nice one kenny, so many have difficulty in grasping this point. The Administrator is not here to win hearts or make friends. It's hard but the only thing that matters to him is MONEY and there's not a lot of that about right now at Odsal.

So, you both agree with me then? Good. This is the truth. There's no money and Guilfoyle will do what he has to do.

Some people on here would do well to remember that, "beggars can't be choosers". Well, we are the beggars now.

Anybody still got a problem with having to play at VP in future? No. Thought you'd gone quiet.

I am disgusted with the way the players and fans have been treated, every time i have been to watch Bradford V Hull FC the staff have been lovely, Superleague wont be the same without Bradford Bulls Hull FC Fan :)

murphyslaw wrote:
It said on Radio 5 live this am that the Administrator was hoping to have 2 weeks to sort this out. Anyone else heard this?

it also says about the two weeks on love rugby league web site

Essexbull2 wrote:

murphyslaw wrote:

kenny64mc wrote:

Essexbull2 wrote: Website "offline", players meeting cancelled .... big announcement coming today I reckon. As for Nobby, well if the rumours are true, then if he is willing to come back for free (for a while) and it helps keep the club together then I would not object. We might not like it as fans, but in this situation I'm afraid it seems that old fashioned concepts like decency and morals are out (otherwise MP wouldn't have been shown the door). In this respect, Guilfoyle is only doing his job, whether we like it or not.

I have been reading and listening with great interest to all that is being said and it appears that most people are thinking with their hearts, and not their minds. I do not like the fact that all the staff have been laid off especially as they must have all been putting in the hours in an attempt to save the club. The way Mick Potter and his team has turned the team around is fantastic and he must be an inspirational boss. But the cold hard fact is there is no money. People are saying that it was wrong to let them go, that it is underhand to treat them in this way. But would it have been better to let them all keep working next month and then at the end of the month say “sorry, there is no money for wages and then not pay them”, because there isn’t any money. All the staff have been told upfront that there is no money and they have had to be let go. They are I suppose all looking for new jobs as we all would be in their situation, and I understand that you don’t work for free, but if they were now to work for free that would be a great plus on their CV showing in actions the type of employee they are and the amount of commitment they would give to any perspective employer, just like putting any voluntary positions you hold on a CV. I hope that the club comes out of this and we can all get on with our lives as usual and just worry about the score on a Sunday afternoon. There is only one winner here the administrator. Good luck to all involved.

Nice one kenny, so many have difficulty in grasping this point. The Administrator is not here to win hearts or make friends. It's hard but the only thing that matters to him is MONEY and there's not a lot of that about right now at Odsal.

So, you both agree with me then? Good. This is the truth. There's no money and Guilfoyle will do what he has to do. Some people on here would do well to remember that, "beggars can't be choosers". Well, we are the beggars now. Anybody still got a problem with having to play at VP in future? No. Thought you'd gone quiet.

Why would you move to VP when you pay £72k in rent for Odsal and the City will want you to at least pay half of the £375k per year they pay?

murphyslaw wrote:
It said on Radio 5 live this am that the Administrator was hoping to have 2 weeks to sort this out. Anyone else heard this?

Yeah, everyone in earshot at the meeting last night.
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How about some more sanctimonious suggestions to both players and fans about how to behave and what to expect eh? We all wait expectantly for your forthcoming wisdom...not!

What a waste of time the meeting was last night .No new answers at all.I honestly think Guilfoyle is not interested in any new investors.I have heard he is very good friends with Caisley.When we go into liquidation Caisley will put a cheap offer in for us,with Brian Noble is second man,thats the vibes I am getting from last night .Guilfoyle was not interested in what the man had to say from greenwoods.I might be wrong but it wouldnt surprise me.

dibsy wrote:
What a waste of time the meeting was last night .No new answers at all.I honestly think Guilfoyle is not interested in any new investors.I have heard he is very good friends with Caisley.When we go into liquidation Caisley will put a cheap offer in for us,with Brian Noble is second man,thats the vibes I am getting from last night .Guilfoyle was not interested in what the man had to say from greenwoods.I might be wrong but it wouldnt surprise me.

if thats correct and as you said it was just a vibe should the RFL be asking some questions? or is it out of there hands.

Does no-one think that Brian Noble might just want to help as he is from Bradford, played for Bradford and coached Bradford over the most sucessful period in recent history? Why does he need a alteria motive to work for free? Good luck Brian if you do take on the job!!!

most of you who do not want Noble at the Bulls, remember this : It was you who were singing BN's praises when the silverware was coming into
Odsal, so let it be if Nobby does the job for free at least we get back on track for the rest of the season. There is no one more Bradford than Nobby. COME and GET the JOB DONE NOBBY .

yorkshiredude wrote:
Omnishambles!

Probably only me and thee get this.

daviow wrote:
Does no-one think that Brian Noble might just want to help as he is from Bradford, played for Bradford and coached Bradford over the most sucessful period in recent history? Why does he need a alteria motive to work for free? Good luck Brian if you do take on the job!!!

If so why was he very quiet to the point of being invisible when the pledge was on. Many ex players got involved I never heard he did but maybe its because to my mind he is one of CC`s lackys and dare not!! Just a thought

Tong near Cleckheaton? Maybe the Administrator got lost?

The lawyer stood next to brendan guilfoyle works for Walker Morris and its a coincidence that it is the same firm chris caisley is a partner with .....They have worked togeher on a load of football clubs namely plymouth and palace ......Surely re the money we have plenty of millionaire businessmen in Bradford who can stump up the cash and form a co-operative ....The staff who were laid off can be taken on by the new owners it has happened before .You might slag the adimistrator off but hes more experienced in these cases then the folk who are sputing off on here and what i have picked up from the meeting .....I am not connected in any way to the admin etc .I am just using common sense and words of wisdom and by the way my late father was shareholder and helped save Nothern in 1964 and have been up at odsal since 1970 ...

Prisoner Cell Block A wrote:

yorkshiredude wrote:
Omnishambles!

Probably only me and thee get this.

Errr....what makes you think that? Lots of us watch the telly,you know!

The club has been like a punch drunk has been boxer for years. Time to deliver the knockout blow and put the journeyman to sleep once and for all. Get behind Dudley Hill instead.

Its like all companies that go into administration, if you have orders to fulfill and the customer wants the goods then you make them and get paid if you are part of the skeleton staff remaining to fill the orders by law the administrator as to you your wage, if the players i-e the goods play on Sunday and they take money on the gate then they have preformed their contract stipulations and will be paid the same as any other company where the staff are asked by the administrator to carry on working would be. Also we need a coach and back up staff as well, if people are prepared to help out for the good of the club great, One volenteer is better than ten men especially of the calibre of Brian Noble, i am just surprised that Mick and his backroom boys did not want to give it a go at least for this weeks game which would give investors more time to come forward, What would 1or 2 weeks mean inthe long run, and if potential investors see this type of commitment and loyalty they just might get the job back, if not they would be forever held in high esteem by the supporters of Bradford Bulls what have they got too lose.

MeccaBingo1 wrote:

birkybull wrote:
It was also pretty clear that no fan wants Noble & no player it would seem wants Brian Noble Fair play to Franny Cummins too for rejecting Nobby's advances.

Are you for real! I'm no noble fan but if the guy is willing to do the job for free!! People like you really need to wake up and see the situation for what it is.

You are dumber than I thought. Do you really believe Noble is doing it for free. He's been in place since Caisley came back on board and has been openly tapping up players all that time. You need to wake up and smell the coffee. Cummins: honourable man. Not something you can say about others.

Reading Bullette wrote:

MeccaBingo1 wrote:

birkybull wrote:
It was also pretty clear that no fan wants Noble & no player it would seem wants Brian Noble Fair play to Franny Cummins too for rejecting Nobby's advances.

Are you for real! I'm no noble fan but if the guy is willing to do the job for free!! People like you really need to wake up and see the situation for what it is.

You are dumber than I thought. Do you really believe Noble is doing it for free. He's been in place since Caisley came back on board and has been openly tapping up players all that time. You need to wake up and smell the coffee. Cummins: honourable man. Not something you can say about others.

correct.
its all a fit up.
i heard that a company called ice lolly based in wyke were interested in speaking to the club but the administrator ignoring them.
already got his mate caisley lined up and now the head coach too.

Reading Bullette wrote:

MeccaBingo1 wrote:

birkybull wrote:
It was also pretty clear that no fan wants Noble & no player it would seem wants Brian Noble Fair play to Franny Cummins too for rejecting Nobby's advances.

Are you for real! I'm no noble fan but if the guy is willing to do the job for free!! People like you really need to wake up and see the situation for what it is.

You are dumber than I thought. Do you really believe Noble is doing it for free. He's been in place since Caisley came back on board and has been openly tapping up players all that time. You need to wake up and smell the coffee. Cummins: honourable man. Not something you can say about others.

Thanks for that!
Lets just see what happens.
We all need to support the club this week by turning up and paying on the door.

Just to put the point it is extremly doubtfull I will go to Valley Parade.
I thought that a lot of what Gilfoyle sad was from behind a smokescreen.
With a few others had a chat with the guy from Greenwoods after the meeting. A very interesting and enlightening time.
Gilfoyle still not interested in people coming forward despite what he said.
We will see who he gives the club too.
Ironically I was doing some research on old T & A papers at Central Library and stumbled on the clubs liquidation 1n 1964 and our revival under decent honest people, Trevor must be spinning like a top in his grave.

I wasn't at the fans meeting but it was overheard that BG's partner is closely connected to Chris Caisley's law firm. The interview with Mick Potter also revealed that Brian Noble was offered the job before the redundancies were made. We, the fans, should not forget Bradford Bulls are a business, the players and support staff and are employees. Why would an employee work for free? There is much going on that is being hidden or masked from the fans and the situation with Greenwood's (Chinese investment), if true will leave GF in a difficult position if it is true and he has failed to perform his duties correctly. BF says that there is no plan to buy the club cheaply but in the event of liquidation any group with enough money can buy the assets and then make an attempt to re-start the club again. The RFL should reveal whether any group has approached them with regards to a newly named club rejoining superleague.

LUFCforever wrote:
I was in the ground floor training centre this morning, feel sorry for the players, they have no guidance or supervision, only the support of Ernie Benbow from the 1eague3.
Guilfoyle nowhere to be seen, locks to be changed soon.....

Is this because the club owes rent at Tong? So not only do we have no caoces, we have knowwhere to train except Odsal? Terrible shame?

What if Caisley does not turn up to be the Bulls white knight want then.The only assets are the players of which they have not made the play-offs for 3 years.Want the Administor as done to MP is disguisting but Potter wont coach for free and Noddy will. The club is finished if you want to see rugby on sunday back Nobby and pay at the gate !!

Dennis, John, Heaton. wrote:
Its like all companies that go into administration, if you have orders to fulfill and the customer wants the goods then you make them and get paid if you are part of the skeleton staff remaining to fill the orders by law the administrator as to you your wage, if the players i-e the goods play on Sunday and they take money on the gate then they have preformed their contract stipulations and will be paid the same as any other company where the staff are asked by the administrator to carry on working would be. Also we need a coach and back up staff as well, if people are prepared to help out for the good of the club great, One volenteer is better than ten men especially of the calibre of Brian Noble, i am just surprised that Mick and his backroom boys did not want to give it a go at least for this weeks game which would give investors more time to come forward, What would 1or 2 weeks mean inthe long run, and if potential investors see this type of commitment and loyalty they just might get the job back, if not they would be forever held in high esteem by the supporters of Bradford Bulls what have they got too lose.

I worked for a Company that was in financial trouble. The staff took pay cuts and, others who could afford it, worked a couple of days a week for nothing. The firm survived.

As DJH states, why didn't Potter and the others offer to work a couple of weeks for nothing? They're out of work and not being paid anyway, so what did they have to lose? It would have bought more time and exhibited committment to any potentialinvestors. Likewise, what pay sacrifices have the players made in an effort to save the club, and their livelihoods?

It's all very laudable that season ticket holders are willing to pay at the gate for the Broncos game, but I don't see any of those directly involved offering their bit.

That said, they should never have found themselves in this position and those that have caused it need to be held accountable.

Sheffieldbull wrote:

murphyslaw wrote:
It said on Radio 5 live this am that the Administrator was hoping to have 2 weeks to sort this out. Anyone else heard this?

Yeah, everyone in earshot at the meeting last night.
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How about some more sanctimonious suggestions to both players and fans about how to behave and what to expect eh? We all wait expectantly for your forthcoming wisdom...not!

Thats right Once you've wiped all that egg off your face you'll be as red as a beetroot. Talk about looking stupid after your 'doom monger' taunts. Suggest you attend a few more meetings to find out what's going on.

Reading Bullette wrote:

MeccaBingo1 wrote:

birkybull wrote:
It was also pretty clear that no fan wants Noble & no player it would seem wants Brian Noble Fair play to Franny Cummins too for rejecting Nobby's advances.

Are you for real! I'm no noble fan but if the guy is willing to do the job for free!! People like you really need to wake up and see the situation for what it is.

You are dumber than I thought. Do you really believe Noble is doing it for free. He's been in place since Caisley came back on board and has been openly tapping up players all that time. You need to wake up and smell the coffee. Cummins: honourable man. Not something you can say about others.

is cummins pulling your tassels.Noble will do his best for the Bulls his got Bradford in his blood , what has cummins got ' your tassels ' !!

http://www.guardian.
co.uk/sport/2012/jul
/03/brian-noble-brad
ford-bulls
Check out the above Brian Noble is having second thoughts. Cant say I blame him, think I would given that after years as a player and a coach he is accused of some sort of a conspiracy! Where does it leave the team if he does change his mind?

otleybull wrote:
If Noble rejected the chance to manage the Bulls in this crisis what would fans be saying then???

Let's get him on board, turn up in numbers on Sunday, pay on the gate if you can afford it and get behind the club. The players need their wages in two weeks time

Well said! I can't believe how much flack Nobby is getting. Why? Because some believe he is part of the problem! No. Go after Peter Hood who effectively sacked Nobby and gave us Mr McNamara on a five year contract or Chris Caisley whose personal hatred of Mr Hethrington led to the Iestyn Harris fiasco, and of which Iestyn was in no way to blame. We are in a crisis and if a bloke comes out and says I love Bradford RLFC, and I'll do it for next to nothing, you have to be suicidal to say "No thanks. I prefer no Bradford Bulls". I will be there on Sunday, with my missus, paying through the gate and once again trying to save this club which has given me so much. Bradford with the Bulls or without it? I know which I prefer. Recriminations will come later.

Noble speaks out about the situation and the reaction to him offering his assistance

Brian Noble has confirmed for the first time that he has been approached by the administrator trying to save the Bradford Bulls to take over on an emergency basis before Sunday's game against London Broncos. But the former Great Britain coach, who spent more than three decades at Odsal as Bradford's captain and then their most successful coach, says he is reconsidering his initial willingness to help out after being shocked by the negative reaction it has provoked.
Noble returned to the country only on Monday after a six-week break in Australia and Fiji. That coincided with a morning of the long knives at Odsal, as the administrator laid off 16 members of Bradford's off-field staff including the head coach, Mick Potter.
"The administrator phoned me up, told me the situation and asked if I could help out for a while, maybe until the end of the season," Noble told the Guardian. "As a Bradfordian through and through who's been made a freeman of the city, and having spent 35 years at the club, I said 'yes'. That's been my only motive whatsoever, to try and help out."
He confirmed that he had immediately approached Francis Cummins, the former Leeds wing who had been one of Potter's assistants, to work alongside him. "You need a thread to keep it going," Noble explained. "I know Franny, he's a good guy and a good coach who is going to be a head coach himself. And I couldn't do it by myself anyway, there would just have been too much to do.
"I actually left him a message and then he left me a message back saying that, with everything that had happened, he didn't think he could do it. We did speak later in the night and that's the way it was left, but by that stage they'd had the supporters' meeting when Mick said there was some kind of conspiracy theory going on. Do you know what, I don't need that. There's no kind of conspiracy.
"I've been thinking it over and it might just be too tough a gig. If people think I'm involved in it for any other sort of reason, I'm flabbergasted. There's no guarantees at the end of it because you don't know who's going to be the owners and what they'll want to do. First and foremost I'm sad and disappointed at what's happened to Mick, because he's a mate of mine.
"I really don't need all this vitriolic stuff being thrown at me. I'm happy with the company I'm working for – I've been offered two more jobs this week."
Noble's change of heart is thought to be the reason behind the late postponement of a meeting the administrator had called with the players for their training ground on Wednesday morning. The Rugby Football League was still expecting Gary Tasker, another key figure in the club's golden era, to take over as interim chief executive, although the administrator has yet to confirm that appointment either.
Several of the players have expressed anger at the lack of information they are receiving and there are still major doubts about whether Sunday's home match will go ahead.

otleybull wrote:
Noble speaks out about the situation and the reaction to him offering his assistance

Brian Noble has confirmed for the first time that he has been approached by the administrator trying to save the Bradford Bulls to take over on an emergency basis before Sunday's game against London Broncos. But the former Great Britain coach, who spent more than three decades at Odsal as Bradford's captain and then their most successful coach, says he is reconsidering his initial willingness to help out after being shocked by the negative reaction it has provoked.
Noble returned to the country only on Monday after a six-week break in Australia and Fiji. That coincided with a morning of the long knives at Odsal, as the administrator laid off 16 members of Bradford's off-field staff including the head coach, Mick Potter.
"The administrator phoned me up, told me the situation and asked if I could help out for a while, maybe until the end of the season," Noble told the Guardian. "As a Bradfordian through and through who's been made a freeman of the city, and having spent 35 years at the club, I said 'yes'. That's been my only motive whatsoever, to try and help out."
He confirmed that he had immediately approached Francis Cummins, the former Leeds wing who had been one of Potter's assistants, to work alongside him. "You need a thread to keep it going," Noble explained. "I know Franny, he's a good guy and a good coach who is going to be a head coach himself. And I couldn't do it by myself anyway, there would just have been too much to do.
"I actually left him a message and then he left me a message back saying that, with everything that had happened, he didn't think he could do it. We did speak later in the night and that's the way it was left, but by that stage they'd had the supporters' meeting when Mick said there was some kind of conspiracy theory going on. Do you know what, I don't need that. There's no kind of conspiracy.
"I've been thinking it over and it might just be too tough a gig. If people think I'm involved in it for any other sort of reason, I'm flabbergasted. There's no guarantees at the end of it because you don't know who's going to be the owners and what they'll want to do. First and foremost I'm sad and disappointed at what's happened to Mick, because he's a mate of mine.
"I really don't need all this vitriolic stuff being thrown at me. I'm happy with the company I'm working for – I've been offered two more jobs this week."
Noble's change of heart is thought to be the reason behind the late postponement of a meeting the administrator had called with the players for their training ground on Wednesday morning. The Rugby Football League was still expecting Gary Tasker, another key figure in the club's golden era, to take over as interim chief executive, although the administrator has yet to confirm that appointment either.
Several of the players have expressed anger at the lack of information they are receiving and there are still major doubts about whether Sunday's home match will go ahead.

So there you are, so called Bulls' supporters. You may have your way - No Bulls. Incredible! Lemmings and turkeys voting for an early Christmas do not come near. But, just like with Bradford PA, so called Bradfordians have an amazing way of shooting themselves in the foot. Shame on you all.

MeccaBingo1 wrote:

birkybull wrote:
It was also pretty clear that no fan wants Noble & no player it would seem wants Brian Noble Fair play to Franny Cummins too for rejecting Nobby's advances.

Are you for real! I'm no noble fan but if the guy is willing to do the job for free!! People like you really need to wake up and see the situation for what it is.

First of all let me state I have known Brian Noble for 23 years. During which time, when I was the chair of the supporters club, Brian always backed us and the players in all ventures. I can tell you categorically that Brian would never do anything to undersell the club. He is and always will be Bradford through and through and I and my wife will never believe he would countenance the situation we have just witnessed with the disgraceful sacking of all those who may have made it possible for us to survive for a New buying group to take over.
Our thoughts are with Mick and the players, plus all the innocent staff who have been made the scapegoats for failures that had nothing whatsoever to do with them.
Lastly our feelings are with Brian Noble, who is being villified by the morans who are not fit to be called supporters of this great club.

For further clarification see the Guardian latest News.

Noble backing out of their master plan probably did cause Guilfoyle a major problem this morning. It must have been a serious moment to cause him to cancel a major meeting without a word. I don't believe even he is that bad mannered. It must have been very important to cause him to do that. Wouldn't we all love to be a fly on the wall in the background to see what is really happening? Still confident though that a game plan is in action even though one of the key pieces (not necessarily a key player) may have dropped out of the game today due to unexpected anger and the danger of losing his good name with thousands of fans. Each day is a different rollercoaster. What next tomorrow?

murphyslaw wrote:

Sheffieldbull wrote:

murphyslaw wrote:
It said on Radio 5 live this am that the Administrator was hoping to have 2 weeks to sort this out. Anyone else heard this?

Yeah, everyone in earshot at the meeting last night.
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How about some more sanctimonious suggestions to both players and fans about how to behave and what to expect eh? We all wait expectantly for your forthcoming wisdom...not!

Thats right Once you've wiped all that egg off your face you'll be as red as a beetroot. Talk about looking stupid after your 'doom monger' taunts. Suggest you attend a few more meetings to find out what's going on.

No egg on my face sweet cheeks, and if there's any red, it's 'well read'.
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This situation is far too serious to waste time having a battle of wits with you, besides matey, you are clearly unarmed.
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One thing, please tell us what day it will be on the 5Th July, that way you can claim to be really far sighted... along with the usual claptrap you come out with.... then again, don't bother your head.

Prycey wrote:
Noble backing out of their master plan probably did cause Guilfoyle a major problem this morning. It must have been a serious moment to cause him to cancel a major meeting without a word. I don't believe even he is that bad mannered. It must have been very important to cause him to do that. Wouldn't we all love to be a fly on the wall in the background to see what is really happening? Still confident though that a game plan is in action even though one of the key pieces (not necessarily a key player) may have dropped out of the game today due to unexpected anger and the danger of losing his good name with thousands of fans. Each day is a different rollercoaster. What next tomorrow?

Prycey - you are becoming a cynic and I never thought of you as that. It's a long way to Cougar Park or The Shay.

otleybull wrote:
Noble speaks out about the situation and the reaction to him offering his assistance

Brian Noble has confirmed for the first time that he has been approached by the administrator trying to save the Bradford Bulls to take over on an emergency basis before Sunday's game against London Broncos. But the former Great Britain coach, who spent more than three decades at Odsal as Bradford's captain and then their most successful coach, says he is reconsidering his initial willingness to help out after being shocked by the negative reaction it has provoked.
Noble returned to the country only on Monday after a six-week break in Australia and Fiji. That coincided with a morning of the long knives at Odsal, as the administrator laid off 16 members of Bradford's off-field staff including the head coach, Mick Potter.
"The administrator phoned me up, told me the situation and asked if I could help out for a while, maybe until the end of the season," Noble told the Guardian. "As a Bradfordian through and through who's been made a freeman of the city, and having spent 35 years at the club, I said 'yes'. That's been my only motive whatsoever, to try and help out."
He confirmed that he had immediately approached Francis Cummins, the former Leeds wing who had been one of Potter's assistants, to work alongside him. "You need a thread to keep it going," Noble explained. "I know Franny, he's a good guy and a good coach who is going to be a head coach himself. And I couldn't do it by myself anyway, there would just have been too much to do.
"I actually left him a message and then he left me a message back saying that, with everything that had happened, he didn't think he could do it. We did speak later in the night and that's the way it was left, but by that stage they'd had the supporters' meeting when Mick said there was some kind of conspiracy theory going on. Do you know what, I don't need that. There's no kind of conspiracy.
"I've been thinking it over and it might just be too tough a gig. If people think I'm involved in it for any other sort of reason, I'm flabbergasted. There's no guarantees at the end of it because you don't know who's going to be the owners and what they'll want to do. First and foremost I'm sad and disappointed at what's happened to Mick, because he's a mate of mine.
"I really don't need all this vitriolic stuff being thrown at me. I'm happy with the company I'm working for – I've been offered two more jobs this week."
Noble's change of heart is thought to be the reason behind the late postponement of a meeting the administrator had called with the players for their training ground on Wednesday morning. The Rugby Football League was still expecting Gary Tasker, another key figure in the club's golden era, to take over as interim chief executive, although the administrator has yet to confirm that appointment either.
Several of the players have expressed anger at the lack of information they are receiving and there are still major doubts about whether Sunday's home match will go ahead.

Now we just need to find a position for Duncan Preston and the jigsaw is nearly complete - Catering Manager in the Coral Stand perhaps?

Alternatively, Brian Noble could have said "I love this Club and I am only too happy to help out in its most desperate hour of need. However, can I just categorically state I have had nothing to do with any of the events over the last 6 weeks and have had no contact with the current board. Now it's time to concentrate on Rugby matters and prepare for Sunday's game".

Bingley Bull wrote:

birkybull wrote:
I see the situation. Noble WAS a friend of Potter but has stabbed him in the back to get the job... because no one else in rugby would give him a job, saying he would work for free. had he not done so Mick potter would still be in a job. Prepairing the players with a game plan for sunday.

Youdo talk a load of cr@p. How has Noble stabbed anyone in the back? There are a number of people up there who have but you can not lay that one at Nobbys door. How do you know Potter would still be in a job?

Stabbed him in the back 'are you for real'! How do you work that one out? Hmmn lets think Brian Noble offering to coach the team for nothing, Mick Potter did not do this. Unfortunately he has being made redundant which is horrible for him and the other members of staff but it wasn't through choice, desperate times call for desperate measures!

pjbull wrote:
Alternatively, Brian Noble could have said "I love this Club and I am only too happy to help out in its most desperate hour of need. However, can I just categorically state I have had nothing to do with any of the events over the last 6 weeks and have had no contact with the current board. Now it's time to concentrate on Rugby matters and prepare for Sunday's game".

Agree with all that!

_Size3_ wrote:
Hold on...people are critising Noble for saying he would work for free? Am I hearing that right? How can you afford to be sentimental? Your club is facing extinction and you think it's better to keep a man in a job because 'he's a good lad'?? If the club was to have kept everyone then the Bulls would only get wound up sooner....and then EVERYONE would be out of a job.

The administrators aren't doing what they are doing for the kicks...it's their job to try and make the company survive. People really ought to get off their high horses and hope the administrators can salvage the club from what the club has done to itself and be able to continue playing in the Super League!

Here Here couldn't agree more, finally someone who talks sense. I am not sure people are grasping the fact that Brian Noble has offered to do this for free. A bit of support wouldn't go amiss.

All I care about is the club surviving. Too many people seem more interested in personalities & conspiracy theories. I believe something has been in place for some time. I also think that as a fan I have no control over it. I will just turn up on Sunday & wait for it to pan out. For those fans who are making Noble have second thoughts you really need to shut up. The clubs survival is all that matters. I'd take Peter Sutcliffe as coach as long as I have a team to support!

hardy, in our current plight, most fans would welcome Brian Noble back with open arms right now. The point is that, yesterday, we were stunned at the loss of all our Coaching staff. The situation becomes more perilous by the day so if he wants to come back, I'd say "fantastic, now get cracking at 10am tomorrow morning and bring some much needed morale into the players".

GuiseleyBull77 wrote:
All I care about is the club surviving. Too many people seem more interested in personalities & conspiracy theories. I believe something has been in place for some time. I also think that as a fan I have no control over it. I will just turn up on Sunday & wait for it to pan out. For those fans who are making Noble have second thoughts you really need to shut up. The clubs survival is all that matters. I'd take Peter Sutcliffe as coach as long as I have a team to support!

Welll maybe not Peter Sutcliffe,...but Nobby yes. Survival is the most important part at this point in time ad sometimes, it's any port in a storm that get you home.

pjbull wrote:
hardy, in our current plight, most fans would welcome Brian Noble back with open arms right now. The point is that, yesterday, we were stunned at the loss of all our Coaching staff. The situation becomes more perilous by the day so if he wants to come back, I'd say "fantastic, now get cracking at 10am tomorrow morning and bring some much needed morale into the players".

Agreed, lets hope he does : )

Not having a pop at Brian Noble but where was he when ex Bulls players and non Bull's players were donating some of their treasured rugby possessions, yes he has served the Bulls well over the past but surely he would have been one of the main celebrities to get behind the club before offering to take over the coaching for free, I honestly think there is no smoke without fire.

Well Well,
The excrement hits the fan at Odsal.
Now im no fan of Sadford but you lot take some beating! have none of you been through the process of a business being taken into admin and then liquidised?
Mr X (C) will be back on Friday with a new company, the backing of the RFL and a tidy assett for next to nowt!!!
Then your beloved Bulls will be back in SL with a limited company which will yet again line Mr X (C)'s pockets and the only prson winning in all of this will be Mr X (C).

The conduct of the liquidisation has been farcical but no-one has come forward with a financial package to take over a company losing 120k a month and why would they?

Maybe MaccaBingo1 is a little bit closer to the Mr X (C) camp than a lot of people give him credit for!!!
Liquidation by its very nature is a cagey game, an owner can win or lose their business at the last minute to a very prudent bidder and they MUST follow financial guidelines. Come Friday and the sale of the assets even I may be able to buy the Bulls and its assets for a couple of quid!!!!!

The liquidators do not want a well organised fans forum / fans takeover and thus throw a smokescreen around meetings etc.

The original owners (or a holding company) will buy back the business and hey presto!!!

We have Bulls!

BUT dont be deluded it will be a very tightly run ship for a couple of years until the profits start to generate.
Then were back to square one.

Or maybe the Bulls will disappear??????

Who Knows?

Faxlad

BCFC1234 wrote:
Guilfoyle is Caisley's puppet. Can you not see that Caisley is pulling all the strings. Noble didnt mysteriously appear to offer his services for free an hour after Potter was sacked.
Guilfoyle doesnt want to speak with the other party because he is working to instructions from his paymaster Caisley.
I for one wont be paying in on Sunday as the money will not go to the players. I will also not renew my season ticket next year if there is any sniff of involvement from Caisley. The whole thing stinks and the smell goes right back to Caisley.

Absolutely spot on...the man should never have been allowed to run a bath, let alone a legacy RL club.

nowt fresh wrote:
Not having a pop at Brian Noble but where was he when ex Bulls players and non Bull's players were donating some of their treasured rugby possessions, yes he has served the Bulls well over the past but surely he would have been one of the main celebrities to get behind the club before offering to take over the coaching for free, I honestly think there is no smoke without fire.

On holiday in Fiji seems to be the report.
Back only yesterday.

Think it is a massive shame that mp has had to go but the club simply has no money. he could have tried riding the storm and see where we end up but felt he couldnt try and help the club survive.
Im not a huge nobby fan after looking at s.l scattered with our junior productswho were never given a chance but if he is willing to coach even if this is to get him a permanent job i take my hat off to him. cheers nobby for your offer

Just an idea but couldn't Bradford City FC help the Bulls players with training facilities just for a few days? The football season pre season training isn't until next week so those facilities would be available I guess?