George Galloway calls for action over 'appalling' school results (From Bradford Telegraph and Argus)

Garralous Galloways usual trumpeting to throw money at a problem. Its a twofold problem at Bradford. On the Education side their are not enough people capable of managing an Education Authority, the majority of Teaching Staff are fine, just badly led by the usual underperforming LEA. then you have the areas where Schools have problems and its mainly down to the Parents who don't care enough about whether their children have a good education or not. Its an ongoing problem around other parts of the UK not just Bradford

Galloway is just a publicity seeker who uses politics as a way to get himself into the public eye. He targets Muslim populated constituencies who don't believe they have a voice in politics and promises them the earth. He'll get found out here just as he did in Bethnall Green. Total chancer.

Mr Berry, NO schools in Bradford Have "very Good" Ofsted results. There is no such catagory. Stick to facts rather than your own political interpretation!

then we can have an intelligent discussion on this.

What an example!

I think MR Galloway is highlighting and making people aware of the state in which the education system is at just like the employment, business and other areas in Bradford which are NOT booming. In order to get the results we need to get this right from the top and include all teachers and parents so the children can achieve the results. Time after time this council is being pin pointed at because of the lack of work which they do and the schemes which never kick off! Bradford council lets get REAL please and prove that you deserve to serve us before you all get kicked out.

i hate the name GEORGE GALLOWAY! what a complete attention seeker... you claim that you plan to "do this" and "do that" and "give this" and "give that"... all you're giving is judgements and moaning in the T&A - rather than having your MUG pictured everywhere actually get up and DO something about it !!!..... and furthermore im sure he's only focusing on the school's in the muslim areas... as they HAVE NO VOICE! ..... what a democracy!!!!!...... disgraceful

As far as I am aware, he's highlighted all Bradford Schools. as he is a virtual independant in PArliament, and has no real party, he's got to use any means he can. he's raised it with the Education secretary, what else can he do? Give him a break. Yes he's an egomaniac, but where are the other 2 Bradford MPs who have underperforming schools in thier constituencies?

Amazing how the party leader of Respect rarely has anything to say let alone its other Bradford seat holders.

Galloway appears to be the proxy mouth piece for a party which has only one person and is a one trip pony.

Talk is cheap!

Precisely Avro.. He doesn't mention anything about the gun crime, drugs, prostitution, murders and families living in fear in their own homes.

It's becoming a city of ghettos and no go areas. A total sh1thole

Don't you mean 'has become'

All our schools are run by the criminals SERCO; the only City in the UK, indeed world.

When they're not playing with youngsters' lives they're usually abusing immigrants in Australian camps!

This is disgusting and has to be changed; whether Gorgeous is the man, he can only raise the issue.

Worst performing schools are predominantly 'white', btw.

SinnerSaint wrote:
Precisely Avro.. He doesn't mention anything about the gun crime, drugs, prostitution, murders and families living in fear in their own homes.

It's becoming a city of ghettos and no go areas. A total sh1thole

Has it ?, it has its isues but there worse holes in Lidds, just they have a competent enough council that hasn't left holes in the City Centre and is lucky enough to be stragetically placed to have various Financial Institutions propping it up.

Once they're 'new build' apartments and high-rise lego blocks become outdated and the white elephants they are, they'll soon reach parity.

SinnerSaint wrote:
Precisely Avro.. He doesn't mention anything about the gun crime, drugs, prostitution, murders and families living in fear in their own homes.

It's becoming a city of ghettos and no go areas. A total sh1thole

why would he mention that in education questions?

Gemzki-Lou wrote:
i hate the name GEORGE GALLOWAY! what a complete attention seeker... you claim that you plan to "do this" and "do that" and "give this" and "give that"... all you're giving is judgements and moaning in the T&A - rather than having your MUG pictured everywhere actually get up and DO something about it !!!..... and furthermore im sure he's only focusing on the school's in the muslim areas... as they HAVE NO VOICE! ..... what a democracy!!!!!...... disgraceful

He's asking questions in parliament, on behalf of his constituency. This is generally what MPs do.

**strategically


^^ But he's an outsider carpet-bagger!

What people fail to remember is, most MPs are outside their 'home' constituency, including many in the cabinets.

The school curriculum needs altering. Do away with all competitiveness, and instill values of good citizenship rather than materialistic values. Teach art, gardening, animal welfare, Yoga, Tai-Chi, and Meditation from primary School onwards, and that will eventually create a better society.

a reasonable sort of chap wrote:
The school curriculum needs altering. Do away with all competitiveness, and instill values of good citizenship rather than materialistic values. Teach art, gardening, animal welfare, Yoga, Tai-Chi, and Meditation from primary School onwards, and that will eventually create a better society.

I prefer Cricket, Rugby, Football, ya know, those traditions that champions are built on.

Public schools need more facilities for stuff like Tennis and ever-growing Basketball.

Then we complain we're a nation of losers with poor Andy carrying our hopes on his ever fragile back.

He is correct when he asks the Council to put things in plain english that most people can understand.

so the meek shall inherit the word ? thats if the rest let them,its a tough old world out their you need to be competetive.

Having taught in quite a few of the schools in the immediate Bradford city area, I feel in a good position to comment.

1) There are a lot of poor teachers in Bradford schools, both in regards to their attitudes and their poor subject knowledge.

2) I have seen some Bradford teachers exchanging drugs (cannabis) outside school gates.

3) There is an unhealthy drugs culture that plagues Bradford schools and is accompanied by a 'gang/thug' mentality amongst pupils. This extends beyond 'having the occasional spliff'. Quite a few of the children I have taught have been too high to learn.

4) There is a complete unwillingness by management and the wider community to engage with points 2) and 3).

5) A lot of the pupils, despite being born in the UK, have very poor English language skills due to not learning English as their first language. This problem extends to teaching staff as well.

6) There is a lot of 'mystical' world views amongst the communities I am talking about and this inhibits teaching scientific method and other 'logical' modes of thought. This is a big IMO but when staff members explain away a pupils unruly behavior or a pupil with poor mental health as being possessed by Dijinns, well, you know that teaching Darwin is out.

I have more to say but the above is enough for now.

yorkshiredude wrote:

SinnerSaint wrote:
Precisely Avro.. He doesn't mention anything about the gun crime, drugs, prostitution, murders and families living in fear in their own homes.

It's becoming a city of ghettos and no go areas. A total sh1thole

why would he mention that in education questions?

You're quite the adept at being a t1t, aren't you?

SinnerSaint wrote:

yorkshiredude wrote:

SinnerSaint wrote:
Precisely Avro.. He doesn't mention anything about the gun crime, drugs, prostitution, murders and families living in fear in their own homes.

It's becoming a city of ghettos and no go areas. A total sh1thole

why would he mention that in education questions?

You're quite the adept at being a t1t, aren't you?

Perhaps I have now shown him why the gangs and drugs issues are relevant to this debate.

SinnerSaint wrote:

yorkshiredude wrote:

SinnerSaint wrote:
Precisely Avro.. He doesn't mention anything about the gun crime, drugs, prostitution, murders and families living in fear in their own homes.

It's becoming a city of ghettos and no go areas. A total sh1thole

why would he mention that in education questions?

You're quite the adept at being a t1t, aren't you?

That doesn't really answer my question.

And yes, I am. We can't all be intellectuals eh?

RuggerTyke wrote:
All our schools are run by the criminals SERCO; the only City in the UK, indeed world. When they're not playing with youngsters' lives they're usually abusing immigrants in Australian camps! This is disgusting and has to be changed; whether Gorgeous is the man, he can only raise the issue. Worst performing schools are predominantly 'white', btw.

Incorrect, SERCO lost its Bradford education powers at the end of July 2011 when its 10 year contract came to an end and was not renewed.

The Council opted to take direct control of its education services in-house which has been the case since.

I don't see why we should pander to the electorate speaking "plain English". If they're too stupid to understand than that's their lookout. And standards are terrible on this site, never mind in schools. Most posters on here are barely literate.

George is unaware of the backgrounds of some of those that have helped fund his Bradford campaign. This includes a number of 'activists' that helped George in the last elections get the 'youth vote'.

There are interests here that would prevent George from engaging fully with the issues I outlined above, which in-turn would allow us to help improve the standard of Education in Bradford.

Ironically, George exploits this poor educational standard in Bradford, which has been around for years, by deploying his politics of emotion at the expense of a solid policy debate. That said, many politicians suffer from such a turn.

Mr Hmmmm wrote:
Having taught in quite a few of the schools in the immediate Bradford city area, I feel in a good position to comment.

1) There are a lot of poor teachers in Bradford schools, both in regards to their attitudes and their poor subject knowledge.

2) I have seen some Bradford teachers exchanging drugs (cannabis) outside school gates.

3) There is an unhealthy drugs culture that plagues Bradford schools and is accompanied by a 'gang/thug' mentality amongst pupils. This extends beyond 'having the occasional spliff'. Quite a few of the children I have taught have been too high to learn.

4) There is a complete unwillingness by management and the wider community to engage with points 2) and 3).

5) A lot of the pupils, despite being born in the UK, have very poor English language skills due to not learning English as their first language. This problem extends to teaching staff as well.

6) There is a lot of 'mystical' world views amongst the communities I am talking about and this inhibits teaching scientific method and other 'logical' modes of thought. This is a big IMO but when staff members explain away a pupils unruly behavior or a pupil with poor mental health as being possessed by Dijinns, well, you know that teaching Darwin is out.

I have more to say but the above is enough for now.

3) Didn't realise Holmewood and Farsley was predominantly immigrants.

And Serco have left a legacy which can't be eradicated within a year.

I see all the Islamophobes are out in force today... {rolleyes}

“If Bradford Council has a new strategy, as they claim to have, then they’d do well to spell it out in plain English"

Do you really want this Gallaway because it will mean most of your supporters won't be able to understand it !!

I am not an 'Islamophobe'. I am on the left of the political spectrum. I am even well read on Islam and understand some of the intricacies as well as how fractured Islam is more generally. I do have a preference for Sufism, as it has similarities with Buddhism and Taoism, ideas and thoughts that charm well with me. Incidentally my more educated Muslim friends tend to agree with my assessment.

Regarding Holmewood, Farsley etc. I am talking about my experiences and yes they have been in schools with a majority Muslim population. However, colleagues working in more mixed and predominately white working class areas also report similar experiences to myself.

Here the emphasis is more on bad teachers who speak and act very poorly towards their pupils. There is, in Bradford more generally, a lack of professionalism. When training to be a teacher in Bradford, many trainee teachers cheeted in tests on their subject knowledge, turned up late, constantly disrupted teaching sessions via talking etc. Most of these trainee teachers were locals and the more professional ones coming from outside the city.

BILLTILL wrote:
“If Bradford Council has a new strategy, as they claim to have, then they’d do well to spell it out in plain English"

Do you really want this Gallaway because it will mean most of your supporters won't be able to understand it !!

* Galloway, spelling bee.

Oh, regarding trainees in Bradford, again I am only speaking about what I have observed and experienced so I can't comment on prevalence.

That said, given that others have told me that they have had similar experiences one can at least speculate on such prevalence.

Mr Hmmmm wrote:
Oh, regarding trainees in Bradford, again I am only speaking about what I have observed and experienced so I can't comment on prevalence.

That said, given that others have told me that they have had similar experiences one can at least speculate on such prevalence.

One feels ones conjecture is ones speculation.

RuggerTyke wrote:

Mr Hmmmm wrote:
Oh, regarding trainees in Bradford, again I am only speaking about what I have observed and experienced so I can't comment on prevalence.

That said, given that others have told me that they have had similar experiences one can at least speculate on such prevalence.

One feels ones conjecture is ones speculation.

Nope, witnessed this first hand and unlike some philosophical traditions, I am quite comfortable excepting my observations and interpretations as indicative of the reality I experienced at the time.

Mr Hmmmm wrote:

RuggerTyke wrote:

Mr Hmmmm wrote:
Oh, regarding trainees in Bradford, again I am only speaking about what I have observed and experienced so I can't comment on prevalence.

That said, given that others have told me that they have had similar experiences one can at least speculate on such prevalence.

One feels ones conjecture is ones speculation.

Nope, witnessed this first hand and unlike some philosophical traditions, I am quite comfortable excepting my observations and interpretations as indicative of the reality I experienced at the time.

I except your observations too.

I did ask more experienced teachers in Bradford schools whether they had also experienced issues regarding trainees as I outline. They told me it was the same when they were training.

But to emphasize just this, I think, misses the point that a number of factors and contexts are behind the poor educational standard and services in some parts of Bradford. Yes, you could write a book on the case of Education in Bradford quite easily.

I would like to add that if you so choose you can get a lot out of training to be a teacher in Bradford. The standard of the training provided by the college was superb, IMO at least.

Where are these 'Ghetto's'?!

The main problem Bradford has is the negative attitudes held by a minority of its inhabitants (probably the one's 'hiding in their houses'!)
It seems that those Bradfordians with a positive outlook on the city are also the ones 'doing' things for the city, attending artistic, social and cultural events and smiling...

As for 'ghetto's'... Get a grip mate, this ain't Rio...


#couldbealotworse

The inference that all trainee teachers in Bradford are under the auspices of Bradford College? is that what you're saying Mr Hmmmmmm?
A Joke! That's what your assertions are.

I was born and raised in Bradford, attending Bradford Schools as a child. I trained as a teacher in a College in Leeds and have worked as a qualified teacher in Leeds and Kirklees before settling back in Bradford. Bradford in most parts is no worse than many other northern, former industrial towns and cities, that have had the core industry removed, and where immigragtion has continued to increase.
The problem is in aspirations, not inspiration.
The issue we need to address is how do we turn the tide? Many people who consider themselves "Working class", dont or cant, or wont work! I am from a working class, Bradford council estate background. I worked hard at school and university because I aspired to live a better life. I now no longer live on an estate, but in a more middle class area. We need to have a society where hard work is a core value, and where education has rewards other than Certificates!
Too often, people have excuses made for them and they dont aspire to acheive. Sometimes, they are encouraged to enter courses at University that will not equip them for employment. What we need is a genuine, honest approach. Some people are not destined for certain roles because they dont have the right attrubutes. Why keep a lad in school until he's 18 when he'd rather be working as a joiner or a sparky at 14-15? He gets disillusioned, gets in some bother and he's branded a failure!

I think being positive is a good thing.

However, I can be both positive and excepting of the reality of the matter.

I can be active and contribute positively as well as acknowledging that there are serious issues that need addressing.

Old Dave wrote:
The inference that all trainee teachers in Bradford are under the auspices of Bradford College? is that what you're saying Mr Hmmmmmm?
A Joke! That's what your assertions are.

I was born and raised in Bradford, attending Bradford Schools as a child. I trained as a teacher in a College in Leeds and have worked as a qualified teacher in Leeds and Kirklees before settling back in Bradford. Bradford in most parts is no worse than many other northern, former industrial towns and cities, that have had the core industry removed, and where immigragtion has continued to increase.
The problem is in aspirations, not inspiration.
The issue we need to address is how do we turn the tide? Many people who consider themselves "Working class", dont or cant, or wont work! I am from a working class, Bradford council estate background. I worked hard at school and university because I aspired to live a better life. I now no longer live on an estate, but in a more middle class area. We need to have a society where hard work is a core value, and where education has rewards other than Certificates!
Too often, people have excuses made for them and they dont aspire to acheive. Sometimes, they are encouraged to enter courses at University that will not equip them for employment. What we need is a genuine, honest approach. Some people are not destined for certain roles because they dont have the right attrubutes. Why keep a lad in school until he's 18 when he'd rather be working as a joiner or a sparky at 14-15? He gets disillusioned, gets in some bother and he's branded a failure!

Dave, no I am not saying that. I am just speaking about what I experienced and yes that mainly involves trainees at Bradford college.

My assertions a joke? I have just commented on what I have personally experienced. You can either believe that experienced such things or not. That's the judgement that you readers have to make.

It's not education that's the problem it's the families and their children - chaotic life styles, too many children, self induced poverty, reliance on benefits/crime, parents that can't work in partnership, aggressive/bullying behaviour etc.
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Can you even persuade parents to get their kids to bed before them and before 12pm even?
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Come on George you can do it!

Dave, I would just like to add I don't dispute the major thrust of your solution to have a genuine , honest approach. However, I hope the aspiration part is not solely directed at 'employability' and material aspirations.

Nutrition and sleep deprivation also plays a part, agreed.

RuggerTyke wrote:
Nutrition and sleep deprivation also plays a part, agreed.

A huge part! I for one can't learn when hungry and suffering from a lack of sleep. Maslow anyone?

Oh, in one class I taught 8 of the pupils had, if their responses are to be believed, a breakfast consisting of an energy drink and some confectionery. Needless to say they were bouncing off the walls in that lesson and I am not sure they learnt as much as they claimed, at least judging from marking their exercise books.

Why do I mention such a small incident? Well, if you get the cooperation of the local shop owners (unlikely) you can at least control this.

My point is there are so many factors as there are personalities in the classroom that when combined, impact educational standards.

The trick is spotting which ones we can control and manipulate and those that we cannot, such as the wider social aspects and perhaps even 'desire', as this is the route the argument of aspiration takes us on.

A man is a product of his culture, language and faith. State funded Muslim schools with bilingual Muslim teachers would help bilingual Muslim children to develop their cultural, linguistic and spiritual identies before they are exposed to other cultures and faiths. A bilingual muslim child must learn and be well versed in standard English to follow the Natioanl Curriculum and go for higher studies and research to serve humanity. At the same time he/she must learn and be well versed in Arabic to recite and understand the Holy Quran. On top of that he/she must learn Urdu and other community languages to keep in touch with his/her cultural heritage and enjoy the beauty of his/her literature and poetry. Without Muslim schools, Muslim children are not going to develop their Islamic identity, crucial fo their mental, social, emotional and personality development. We have already lost four generations and fifth one is in the process of losing its cultural, linguistic and spiritual Identities.

Children that can speak more than one languages do better overall in learning and it will help them excel in a job when they are older. Only an idiot would think that being bi/trilingual is a bad thing. I think its great to be surrounded by foreign languages. There are plenty of benefits to learning them, it increases memory and other brain functions, looks great on a job résumé, and most importantly allows you to connect with a different culture and make new friends. Now is the time to teach them all the different languages you want to because they will just soak up the information. As we get older it becomes harder and harder to retrain our brains to learn a new language.

Bilingual Muslims children have a right, as much as any other faith group, to be taught their culture, languages and faith alongside a mainstream curriculum. More faith schools will be opened under sweeping reforms of the education system in England. There is a dire need for the growth of state funded Muslim schools to meet the growing needs and demands of the Muslim parents and children. Now the time has come that parents and community should take over the running of their local schools. Parent-run schools will give the diversity, the choice and the competition that the wealthy have in the private sector. Parents can perform a better job than the Local Authority because parents have a genuine vested interest. The Local Authority simply cannot be trusted.

There are hundreds of state primary and secondary schools where Muslim pupils are in majority. In my opinion all such schools may be opted out to become Muslim Academies. This mean the Muslim children will get a decent education. Muslim schools turned out balanced citizens, more tolerant of others and less likely to succumb to criminality or extremism. Muslim schools give young people confidence in who they are and an understanding of Islam’s teaching of tolerance and respect which prepares them for a positive and fulfilling role in society. Muslim schools are attractive to Muslim parents because they have better discipline and teaching Islamic values. Children like discipline, structure and boundaries. Bilingual Muslim children need Bilingual Muslim teachers as role models during their developmental periods, who understand their needs and demands.

None of the British Muslims convicted following the riots in Bradford and Oldham in 2001 or any of those linked to the London bombings had been to Islamic schools. An American Think Tank studied the educational back ground of 300 Jihadists; none of them were educated in Pakistani Madrasas. They were all Western educated by non-Muslim teachers. Bilingual Muslim children need bilingual Muslim teachers as role models. A Cambridge University study found that single-sex classes could make a big difference for boys. They perform better in single-sex classes. The research is promising because male students in the study saw noticeable gains in the grades. The study confirms the Islamic notion that academic achievement is better in single-sex classes.
IA
http://www.londonsch
oolofislamics.org.uk

Iftikhar_Ahmad wrote:
A man is a product of his culture, language and faith. State funded Muslim schools with bilingual Muslim teachers would help bilingual Muslim children to develop their cultural, linguistic and spiritual identies before they are exposed to other cultures and faiths. A bilingual muslim child must learn and be well versed in standard English to follow the Natioanl Curriculum and go for higher studies and research to serve humanity. At the same time he/she must learn and be well versed in Arabic to recite and understand the Holy Quran. On top of that he/she must learn Urdu and other community languages to keep in touch with his/her cultural heritage and enjoy the beauty of his/her literature and poetry. Without Muslim schools, Muslim children are not going to develop their Islamic identity, crucial fo their mental, social, emotional and personality development. We have already lost four generations and fifth one is in the process of losing its cultural, linguistic and spiritual Identities.

Children that can speak more than one languages do better overall in learning and it will help them excel in a job when they are older. Only an idiot would think that being bi/trilingual is a bad thing. I think its great to be surrounded by foreign languages. There are plenty of benefits to learning them, it increases memory and other brain functions, looks great on a job résumé, and most importantly allows you to connect with a different culture and make new friends. Now is the time to teach them all the different languages you want to because they will just soak up the information. As we get older it becomes harder and harder to retrain our brains to learn a new language.

Bilingual Muslims children have a right, as much as any other faith group, to be taught their culture, languages and faith alongside a mainstream curriculum. More faith schools will be opened under sweeping reforms of the education system in England. There is a dire need for the growth of state funded Muslim schools to meet the growing needs and demands of the Muslim parents and children. Now the time has come that parents and community should take over the running of their local schools. Parent-run schools will give the diversity, the choice and the competition that the wealthy have in the private sector. Parents can perform a better job than the Local Authority because parents have a genuine vested interest. The Local Authority simply cannot be trusted.

There are hundreds of state primary and secondary schools where Muslim pupils are in majority. In my opinion all such schools may be opted out to become Muslim Academies. This mean the Muslim children will get a decent education. Muslim schools turned out balanced citizens, more tolerant of others and less likely to succumb to criminality or extremism. Muslim schools give young people confidence in who they are and an understanding of Islam’s teaching of tolerance and respect which prepares them for a positive and fulfilling role in society. Muslim schools are attractive to Muslim parents because they have better discipline and teaching Islamic values. Children like discipline, structure and boundaries. Bilingual Muslim children need Bilingual Muslim teachers as role models during their developmental periods, who understand their needs and demands.

None of the British Muslims convicted following the riots in Bradford and Oldham in 2001 or any of those linked to the London bombings had been to Islamic schools. An American Think Tank studied the educational back ground of 300 Jihadists; none of them were educated in Pakistani Madrasas. They were all Western educated by non-Muslim teachers. Bilingual Muslim children need bilingual Muslim teachers as role models. A Cambridge University study found that single-sex classes could make a big difference for boys. They perform better in single-sex classes. The research is promising because male students in the study saw noticeable gains in the grades. The study confirms the Islamic notion that academic achievement is better in single-sex classes.
IA
http://www.londonsch

oolofislamics.org.uk

Sounds like brainwashing to me.

Iftikhar_Ahmad wrote:
A man is a product of his culture, language and faith. State funded Muslim schools with bilingual Muslim teachers would help bilingual Muslim children to develop their cultural, linguistic and spiritual identies before they are exposed to other cultures and faiths. A bilingual muslim child must learn and be well versed in standard English to follow the Natioanl Curriculum and go for higher studies and research to serve humanity. At the same time he/she must learn and be well versed in Arabic to recite and understand the Holy Quran. On top of that he/she must learn Urdu and other community languages to keep in touch with his/her cultural heritage and enjoy the beauty of his/her literature and poetry. Without Muslim schools, Muslim children are not going to develop their Islamic identity, crucial fo their mental, social, emotional and personality development. We have already lost four generations and fifth one is in the process of losing its cultural, linguistic and spiritual Identities.

Children that can speak more than one languages do better overall in learning and it will help them excel in a job when they are older. Only an idiot would think that being bi/trilingual is a bad thing. I think its great to be surrounded by foreign languages. There are plenty of benefits to learning them, it increases memory and other brain functions, looks great on a job résumé, and most importantly allows you to connect with a different culture and make new friends. Now is the time to teach them all the different languages you want to because they will just soak up the information. As we get older it becomes harder and harder to retrain our brains to learn a new language.

Bilingual Muslims children have a right, as much as any other faith group, to be taught their culture, languages and faith alongside a mainstream curriculum. More faith schools will be opened under sweeping reforms of the education system in England. There is a dire need for the growth of state funded Muslim schools to meet the growing needs and demands of the Muslim parents and children. Now the time has come that parents and community should take over the running of their local schools. Parent-run schools will give the diversity, the choice and the competition that the wealthy have in the private sector. Parents can perform a better job than the Local Authority because parents have a genuine vested interest. The Local Authority simply cannot be trusted.

There are hundreds of state primary and secondary schools where Muslim pupils are in majority. In my opinion all such schools may be opted out to become Muslim Academies. This mean the Muslim children will get a decent education. Muslim schools turned out balanced citizens, more tolerant of others and less likely to succumb to criminality or extremism. Muslim schools give young people confidence in who they are and an understanding of Islam’s teaching of tolerance and respect which prepares them for a positive and fulfilling role in society. Muslim schools are attractive to Muslim parents because they have better discipline and teaching Islamic values. Children like discipline, structure and boundaries. Bilingual Muslim children need Bilingual Muslim teachers as role models during their developmental periods, who understand their needs and demands.

None of the British Muslims convicted following the riots in Bradford and Oldham in 2001 or any of those linked to the London bombings had been to Islamic schools. An American Think Tank studied the educational back ground of 300 Jihadists; none of them were educated in Pakistani Madrasas. They were all Western educated by non-Muslim teachers. Bilingual Muslim children need bilingual Muslim teachers as role models. A Cambridge University study found that single-sex classes could make a big difference for boys. They perform better in single-sex classes. The research is promising because male students in the study saw noticeable gains in the grades. The study confirms the Islamic notion that academic achievement is better in single-sex classes.
IA
http://www.londonsch

oolofislamics.org.uk

Personally I don't agree with faith schools and also believe them to divide communities. My preference is for mixed state schools. Faith schools are a step backwards IMO.

The biggest problem in Bradford is the parents who don't encourage English.

People on here speak about poor teachers in Bradford....have any of you tried to teach a class where not one kid has english as a first language?

This is not just an asian issue now as half the class can also be from eastern europe.

If people visited a school in the centre and observed some classes you would be shocked.

thatsnotmyname wrote:
The biggest problem in Bradford is the parents who don't encourage English.

People on here speak about poor teachers in Bradford....have any of you tried to teach a class where not one kid has english as a first language?

This is not just an asian issue now as half the class can also be from eastern europe.

If people visited a school in the centre and observed some classes you would be shocked.

Init!

one class I teach, at a secondary school in Bradford, with a very wide demographic catchment, has only 2 pupils with English as their first language. I, as an English speaking teacher ( who has a GCSE in French) am expected to translate key ideas and terms into: French, Portuguese, Polish, and Slovak. It is very much, not just an Asian issue!

"A Cambridge University study found that single-sex classes could make a big difference for boys. They perform better in single-sex classes. The research is promising because male students in the study saw noticeable gains in the grades"

What about the girls ,oh sorry I forgot you have no considerations for the females do you ,typical attitude !!

Old Dave wrote

"one class I teach, at a secondary school in Bradford, with a very wide demographic catchment, has only 2 pupils with English as their first language. I, as an English speaking teacher ( who has a GCSE in French) am expected to translate key ideas and terms into: French, Portuguese, Polish, and Slovak. It is very much, not just an Asian issue!”


In my opinion, it is a crime against humanity to send a bilingual Muslim child to a state school with non-Muslim monolingual or multilingual teacher.

Bilingual Muslim children needs state funded Muslim schools with bilingual Muslim teachers as role models during their developmental periods. There is no place for a non-Muslim child or a teacher in a Muslim school.

Multiculturalism involves a level of complexity which cannot be understood from the prospective of any single discipline. Instead, historical, cultural, linguistic, political, economic, educational, sociological and psychological factors and processes all play critical role.

Multiculturalism is not about integration but about cultural plurality. It is not about separation but about respect and the deepening awareness of Unity in Diversity. Each culture will maintain its own intrinsic value and at the same time would be expected to contribute to the benefit of the whole society. Multiculturalism can accommodate diversity of all kinds – cultural, philosophical and religious – so that we can create a world without conflict and strife. Britain can assume the role of accommodation and concern for all peoples, for our planet and indeed for our survival. We live in a rapidly changing world.
IA

BILLTILL wrote

"A Cambridge University study found that single-sex classes could make a big difference for boys. They perform better in single-sex classes. The research is promising because male students in the study saw noticeable gains in the grades"

What about the girls ,oh sorry I forgot you have no considerations for the females do you ,typical attitude !!”

According to Isam, all children both boys and girls must recieve balance and proper education, but separately.

Muslim boys and Girls need state funded Muslim schools with bilingual Male and female Muslim teachers as role models during their developmental periods. Muslim youths feel torn between two cultures, thanks to the state schools with monolingual non-Muslim teachers. Islam teaches Muslims youths to be virgin but western education system teaches the opposite. It makes their lives very confusing. They suffer from Identity Crises. The solution is that each and every Muslim child should be in state funded Muslim schools because western education makes a man stupid and selfish according to Lord Bertrand Russell.
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i would like to say weldone to Mr Galloway for raising issues on education.. i dont see or hear any other mp doing anything about the education sector, atleast he is trying for bradford which is the main thing to us bradfordians.. i never thought he would bother with anything to do with bradford but i am pretty impressed with him as he has shown his face more then any other mp has..

thatsnotmyname wrote:
The biggest problem in Bradford is the parents who don't encourage English.

People on here speak about poor teachers in Bradford....have any of you tried to teach a class where not one kid has english as a first language?

This is not just an asian issue now as half the class can also be from eastern europe.

If people visited a school in the centre and observed some classes you would be shocked.

I agree with you.

Iftikhar_Ahmad wrote:
Old Dave wrote

"one class I teach, at a secondary school in Bradford, with a very wide demographic catchment, has only 2 pupils with English as their first language. I, as an English speaking teacher ( who has a GCSE in French) am expected to translate key ideas and terms into: French, Portuguese, Polish, and Slovak. It is very much, not just an Asian issue!”


In my opinion, it is a crime against humanity to send a bilingual Muslim child to a state school with non-Muslim monolingual or multilingual teacher.

Bilingual Muslim children needs state funded Muslim schools with bilingual Muslim teachers as role models during their developmental periods. There is no place for a non-Muslim child or a teacher in a Muslim school.

Multiculturalism involves a level of complexity which cannot be understood from the prospective of any single discipline. Instead, historical, cultural, linguistic, political, economic, educational, sociological and psychological factors and processes all play critical role.

Multiculturalism is not about integration but about cultural plurality. It is not about separation but about respect and the deepening awareness of Unity in Diversity. Each culture will maintain its own intrinsic value and at the same time would be expected to contribute to the benefit of the whole society. Multiculturalism can accommodate diversity of all kinds – cultural, philosophical and religious – so that we can create a world without conflict and strife. Britain can assume the role of accommodation and concern for all peoples, for our planet and indeed for our survival. We live in a rapidly changing world.
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Mixed schooling is also about creating an environment where we all learn and work together, no matter our cultural differences.

Faith schooling, particularly Islamic schools, I think encourages communities to be insular and parochial. This leads to polarization in later life and reproduces the blatant community divisions that we see today.

Endemic racism is infecting all walks of British society. It is a well known fact that British education is a home of institutional racism. The immigrant children are victims of bullying and racism. Muslim children suffer more than other children.

British schooling is not only the home of institutional racism but also British teachers are chicken racist. This is one of the main reason why Muslims, Hindus and Sikh communities have been setting up their own schools with their own teachers. Even Black community is thinking of setting up its own schools with Black teachers.

Nearly 88,000 racist incidents were recorded in Britain's schools between 2007 and 2011, the BBC has found. Data from 90 areas shows 87,915 cases of racist bullying, which can include name calling and physical abuse.

Racism is the biggest type of bullying at schools in Bradford accounting for 75 per cent of incidents during the last academic year, it has been revealed.
A total of 344 bullying incidents were reported by schools in the district between September, 2010, and July, 2011, of which 260 were deemed to be racist, figures obtained by the Telegraph & Argus through a Freedom of Information request show.

Last term, from September to December, racist incidents accounted for more than half of the 113 recorded bullying incidents.

Other types of bullying reported by schools during this period include incidents relating to disability, family nationality or lifestyle, homophobia, gender and religion.

Sarah Soyei, of the anti-racism educational charity, Show Racism the Red Card (SRRC), said: "Unfortunately, the numbers of recorded racist incidents are just the tip of the iceberg. "Racism is a very real issue in many classrooms around the country, but cases of racist bullying are notoriously underreported.

"Often teachers may not be aware of racism in their classrooms because victims are scared of reporting them out of fear of making the situation worse." Many local education authorities say that the increase in reported incidents - up until 2010/11 when the guidance changed - is due to better recording methods.

However, anti-racism charities say that it is a growing problem in many regions.
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Ifti wrote:
Endemic racism is infecting all walks of British society. It is a well known fact that British education is a home of institutional racism. The immigrant children are victims of bullying and racism. Muslim children suffer more than other children. British schooling is not only the home of institutional racism but also British teachers are chicken racist. This is one of the main reason why Muslims, Hindus and Sikh communities have been setting up their own schools with their own teachers. Even Black community is thinking of setting up its own schools with Black teachers. Nearly 88,000 racist incidents were recorded in Britain's schools between 2007 and 2011, the BBC has found. Data from 90 areas shows 87,915 cases of racist bullying, which can include name calling and physical abuse. Racism is the biggest type of bullying at schools in Bradford accounting for 75 per cent of incidents during the last academic year, it has been revealed. A total of 344 bullying incidents were reported by schools in the district between September, 2010, and July, 2011, of which 260 were deemed to be racist, figures obtained by the Telegraph & Argus through a Freedom of Information request show. Last term, from September to December, racist incidents accounted for more than half of the 113 recorded bullying incidents. Other types of bullying reported by schools during this period include incidents relating to disability, family nationality or lifestyle, homophobia, gender and religion. Sarah Soyei, of the anti-racism educational charity, Show Racism the Red Card (SRRC), said: "Unfortunately, the numbers of recorded racist incidents are just the tip of the iceberg. "Racism is a very real issue in many classrooms around the country, but cases of racist bullying are notoriously underreported. "Often teachers may not be aware of racism in their classrooms because victims are scared of reporting them out of fear of making the situation worse." Many local education authorities say that the increase in reported incidents - up until 2010/11 when the guidance changed - is due to better recording methods. However, anti-racism charities say that it is a growing problem in many regions. IA http://www.londonsch oolofislamics.org.uk

Whats a chicken racist? Does Colonel Saunders know about this.

Say what you want about this Galloway (MP),One thing can be said is that he has got us discussing a real important issue if anything,so i say he is a plus to this city for getting us starting to debate about every day issues,i dnt see any other MP having done that.Dnt they too have some kind of responsibilty to this city and thier wards.

Face it Galloway is the only one talking about this so give him some credit. My son is white and attends st bede's, if i left the school to be the only source of education things would look pritty dismal for is prospects. We have teachers that spend more time at home ill meaning my son gets a assistant that knows nothing of the work there doing, So thats 45 mins wasted this can happen 3 times a day this is not even taking into account the teachers who speak poor English yet are teaching maths. There are far too many layers protecting these teachers and it must end, lets have a term progress report on teachers attendance and what has been achieved for the children since the term before. There needs to be accountability. **it on it

So Islamic schools teach young Muslims to be virgins, while Western schools teach the opposite? Really? You can't get much more of a racial slur than that!

Btw, there is no such thing a Muslim child or a Christian child. Children are too young to make such decisions, and these are merely labels imposed by parents and communities, who have already been indoctrinated. IMO, that in itself is a violation of their basic human rights and should, accordingly, be enshrined in the Children's Rights Act.

istanbull-bantam wrote:
So Islamic schools teach young Muslims to be virgins, while Western schools teach the opposite? Really? You can't get much more of a racial slur than that!

Btw, there is no such thing a Muslim child or a Christian child. Children are too young to make such decisions, and these are merely labels imposed by parents and communities, who have already been indoctrinated. IMO, that in itself is a violation of their basic human rights and should, accordingly, be enshrined in the Children's Rights Act.

how can you teach somebody to be a virgin ?

Get back to work wrote:

istanbull-bantam wrote:
So Islamic schools teach young Muslims to be virgins, while Western schools teach the opposite? Really? You can't get much more of a racial slur than that!

Btw, there is no such thing a Muslim child or a Christian child. Children are too young to make such decisions, and these are merely labels imposed by parents and communities, who have already been indoctrinated. IMO, that in itself is a violation of their basic human rights and should, accordingly, be enshrined in the Children's Rights Act.

how can you teach somebody to be a virgin ?

Not my line. It's from a previous post. How can teach them the "opposite"???