£7.7m scheme for new jobs by Bradford Council (From Bradford Telegraph and Argus)

Congrats! Something positive coming out from Bradford Council but, seeing is believing as I would not Trust this council after so many mistakes and loop holes they have created.
Let's hope they are not playing with the figures and actually get people into paid jobs. Watch this space........

A good idea in principle, but some aspects are illegal, cannot discriminate on age.

are we supposed to believe a council who's leader says and i quote,
“He said the Bradford operation cost 'more per desk' than other centres in Falkirk, Preston and Peterborough, whatever that means, "
it means exactly what it says dummy!!!
its not rocket science, they are paying over the odds at the bradford city centre offices, cheaper elsewhere makes good business sense.
its what you call making a money saving business decision.

lets take notice of a council that wastes 24m on a PUDDLE!!
they could have subsidised thomas cook's rent for a few years with that!!
just waiting for all the usual anti-tory brigade who will say its all their fault! yawn yawn!!

yangyeight wrote:
are we supposed to believe a council who's leader says and i quote,
“He said the Bradford operation cost 'more per desk' than other centres in Falkirk, Preston and Peterborough, whatever that means, "
it means exactly what it says dummy!!!
its not rocket science, they are paying over the odds at the bradford city centre offices, cheaper elsewhere makes good business sense.
its what you call making a money saving business decision.

I think we all understand what cost per desk is. What Cllr Green and others are confused about is why TC didn't consider moving to cheaper premises within the locale...

yangyeight wrote:
lets take notice of a council that wastes 24m on a PUDDLE!!
they could have subsidised thomas cook's rent for a few years with that!!
just waiting for all the usual anti-tory brigade who will say its all their fault! yawn yawn!!

Couple of flaws in your plan.

(1) Soon every company in the City would be saying we'll pull out if you don't pay our rent.

(2) It'd be illegal to grant state aid in this way under competition law.

But well done for trying.

How is any young person able to apply to be on this scheme? is it going to be open to written applications or are names to be passed over by the Job centre only.
It doesn't seem real to me unless there's more clarification on how to get on the scheme

I watched Mr Greenwood on TV last night if ever a man was out of his depth its him.Its been on the cards for a very long time and anybody with a ounce of sense would have known this.The council will not be happy until the whole city is a waste land at least they get full marks for incompetence.

Oh lets all just sit back and wait for the jobs to come from the private sector like the Condem government have been telling us for over 2 years now. It isn't going to happen, people are not spending either because the are already out of work or they are fearful for their jobs and at the same time their living standards are being squeezed by rising prices fuel bills etc. I really feel for the 1 million young people who have no jobs no hope and no sign of this changing under the present government. At least this Council is prepared to have a go at doing something to help people back into work.

Watching Question Time last night and a lady who worked as a HR head had recently been made redundant. She has ben in and out of interim work since, not always in her chosen field. Her gripe, and I am sure it is the same all over the country for many people is that the staff in the JobCentres are just not able to fit people to positions, do anything more than read verabtim rules and regs at people and basically turn up, get their wage and go home, not caring one jot if they have made a difference or assisted anyone into work.

I think that this highlights a massive issue in the whole way we look at employment/unemploym
ent in this country, we can start up as many schemes as we like but if the hard jobs aren't there and the staff in place to point people towards jobs are ineffective and poor at their own job, which from stories in the media and direct from users of these services appears to be the case, it is all doomed to failure anyway and at a cost.

It seems like a good idea, how will it work, how do we get on the scheme. I now its early days yet but how much off this money will go were its needed. I expect like normal red tape and idiots who take the cream for themselfs.

Mik_e wrote:
A good idea in principle, but some aspects are illegal, cannot discriminate on age.

That probably won't apply, they make up the rules as they go along! My friend was ordered against his will to do a Mandatory Work Placement even though he is not yet on the Work Programme. I was placed on the Work Programme after just 8 months of my claim, when it is supposed to be after 12 months. When you completed New Deal your claim was closed and you had to make a new claim, but they say that doesn't count for their purposes. It's disgusting how they treat the unemployed, being made a scapegoat for failed policies in a failing system. And, after all, it is a bit rich considering it is our money to begin with, Benefits are NOT a gift, they are a RIGHT, and the State does owe all of us a living!

jozieme wrote:
How is any young person able to apply to be on this scheme? is it going to be open to written applications or are names to be passed over by the Job centre only.
It doesn't seem real to me unless there's more clarification on how to get on the scheme

Hopefully they won't require written applications or I doubt there will be many.

It will probably be by text.

Pls dnt cm bk tmrw, lol

ertnec wrote:
It seems like a good idea, how will it work, how do we get on the scheme. I now its early days yet but how much off this money will go were its needed. I expect like normal red tape and idiots who take the cream for themselfs.

The answer is, it won't work.

We've heard it all before, first the Youth Opportunities, then YTS, then the Restart scheme, then New Deal, now the Work Programme...blahdy blah. It's all nonsense. You can't just *create* jobs when there is no longer any industry, and we no longer make anything. We, the British Working Class, did our bit during the Industrial Revolution, and now that is over they owe us a living, whether they like it or not. And what no politician will ever tell you is that Capitalism itself cannot function without unemployment, it is a pre-requisite of the system, in order to maintain the balance of power in favour of the Capitalists and not the Workers, otherwise it ceases to be Capitalism. So don't be fooled by yet more lies, smoke & mirrors, and the old divide and rule scam.

Traceyk2 wrote:
Oh lets all just sit back and wait for the jobs to come from the private sector like the Condem government have been telling us for over 2 years now. It isn't going to happen, people are not spending either because the are already out of work or they are fearful for their jobs and at the same time their living standards are being squeezed by rising prices fuel bills etc. I really feel for the 1 million young people who have no jobs no hope and no sign of this changing under the present government. At least this Council is prepared to have a go at doing something to help people back into work.

"At least this Council is prepared to have a go at doing something to help people back into work."

Is that why they got rid of half the street cleaning teams last year?

390 new jobs? There are 18,000 claiming JSA in Bradford.

a reasonable sort of chap wrote:
390 new jobs? There are 18,000 claiming JSA in Bradford.

But you aren't one of them.

Albion. wrote:

a reasonable sort of chap wrote:
390 new jobs? There are 18,000 claiming JSA in Bradford.

But you aren't one of them.

Seeing as you aren't "seeking" that is.

"It would also look at supporting the over 50s find work"

LOL good luck with that one!

In a time of recession when there no jobs and no industry, and more and more people being made redundant every week, how are they going to find work for someone who has been unemployed for a number of years, who has no recent work experience, no skills or vocational qualifications, no current references, no driving licence or transport, ongoing health problems, and in many cases criminal convictions? Best of luck!

Albion. wrote:

Albion. wrote:

a reasonable sort of chap wrote:
390 new jobs? There are 18,000 claiming JSA in Bradford.

But you aren't one of them.

Seeing as you aren't "seeking" that is.

Wrong. I provide ample evidence every time I attend, of all the jobs I have applied for every week. And if they want to see the email replies, etc as proof they can. If I wasn't able to prove that I am "seeking" then I wouldn't be able to continue to claim.

Prisoner Cell Block A wrote:
Watching Question Time last night and a lady who worked as a HR head had recently been made redundant. She has ben in and out of interim work since, not always in her chosen field. Her gripe, and I am sure it is the same all over the country for many people is that the staff in the JobCentres are just not able to fit people to positions, do anything more than read verabtim rules and regs at people and basically turn up, get their wage and go home, not caring one jot if they have made a difference or assisted anyone into work.

I think that this highlights a massive issue in the whole way we look at employment/unemploym

ent in this country, we can start up as many schemes as we like but if the hard jobs aren't there and the staff in place to point people towards jobs are ineffective and poor at their own job, which from stories in the media and direct from users of these services appears to be the case, it is all doomed to failure anyway and at a cost.

You can't really expect the Jobcentre staff to do anything more than obey the letter, when they're own jobs and futures are currently being undermined by the Tories attempts at privatizing the Benefits system as part of they're ideological drive to dismantle our State, and the Civil servants are currently in a situation of industrial action. The Benefits system is now in a state of total chaos.

a reasonable sort of chap wrote:

Prisoner Cell Block A wrote:
Watching Question Time last night and a lady who worked as a HR head had recently been made redundant. She has ben in and out of interim work since, not always in her chosen field. Her gripe, and I am sure it is the same all over the country for many people is that the staff in the JobCentres are just not able to fit people to positions, do anything more than read verabtim rules and regs at people and basically turn up, get their wage and go home, not caring one jot if they have made a difference or assisted anyone into work.

I think that this highlights a massive issue in the whole way we look at employment/unemploym


ent in this country, we can start up as many schemes as we like but if the hard jobs aren't there and the staff in place to point people towards jobs are ineffective and poor at their own job, which from stories in the media and direct from users of these services appears to be the case, it is all doomed to failure anyway and at a cost.

You can't really expect the Jobcentre staff to do anything more than obey the letter, when they're own jobs and futures are currently being undermined by the Tories attempts at privatizing the Benefits system as part of they're ideological drive to dismantle our State, and the Civil servants are currently in a situation of industrial action. The Benefits system is now in a state of total chaos.

That's "their" not "they're" !

a reasonable sort of chap wrote:

Albion. wrote:

Albion. wrote:

a reasonable sort of chap wrote:
390 new jobs? There are 18,000 claiming JSA in Bradford.

But you aren't one of them.

Seeing as you aren't "seeking" that is.

Wrong. I provide ample evidence every time I attend, of all the jobs I have applied for every week. And if they want to see the email replies, etc as proof they can. If I wasn't able to prove that I am "seeking" then I wouldn't be able to continue to claim.

"seeking" Is open to interpretation.

Albion. wrote:

a reasonable sort of chap wrote:

Albion. wrote:

Albion. wrote:

a reasonable sort of chap wrote:
390 new jobs? There are 18,000 claiming JSA in Bradford.

But you aren't one of them.

Seeing as you aren't "seeking" that is.

Wrong. I provide ample evidence every time I attend, of all the jobs I have applied for every week. And if they want to see the email replies, etc as proof they can. If I wasn't able to prove that I am "seeking" then I wouldn't be able to continue to claim.

"seeking" Is open to interpretation.

No, it is clearly defined, and I obey their instructions to the letter.

lets take notice of a council that wastes 24m on a PUDDLE!!
they could have subsidised thomas cook's rent for a few years with that!!

Can I just point out that the Council didn't actually pay for said puddle, the money came from Europe and if it hadn't been spent on the puddle, it would have been withdrawn. At least it paid the wages for the workers for the length of time it took to build said puddle, so it did at least provide some benefit to the workforce!

THERE IS NO INDUSTRY, THERE ARE NO JOBS, AND THERE AREN'T GOING TO BE ANY JOBS. IT'S OVER.

THERE IS NO FUTURE IN ENGLAND's DREAMING.

THE ANSWER IS:

Lower retirement age to 50. Everyone of working age should work part-time only, no more than 3 days per week, thus enough jobs for all. To make this affordable and economically viable, stop the super-rich fat-cats from creaming-off all the wealth. Tax the rich out of existence. Plug all the tax-dodge loopholes. Re-nationalize all essential services; power, water, transport. Cap rents.

Thomas Cook staff were aware that the writing was on the wall last October.....nuff said. What you are now witnessing is a council smoke-screen for the exorbitant rates.

a reasonable sort of chap wrote:
THE ANSWER IS:

Lower retirement age to 50. Everyone of working age should work part-time only, no more than 3 days per week, thus enough jobs for all. To make this affordable and economically viable, stop the super-rich fat-cats from creaming-off all the wealth. Tax the rich out of existence. Plug all the tax-dodge loopholes. Re-nationalize all essential services; power, water, transport. Cap rents.

All together now comrades"The Internationale" ;-)

I think this is certainly something positive for Bradford and could help to reduce some long-term unemployment. Better than nothing.

It would, however, be much better for the authority to be investing in assets that produce a return, for instance renewables to reduce the council's electricity bill and make a profit through selling the electricity to the Grid or better forms of recycling waste. Not only do we need to be doing that anyway for all sorts of reasons but it would create jobs, especially things like anaerobic digestion and large scale composting, and start to create streams of income that could be put back into the district and spent on other job creation schemes.

Quite simply this is a waste of time and money. Fair play encouraging the "young" to gain skills but at the end of day if there's no jobs whats the point. The money would have been better spent on encouraging business to the area.

Business = Jobs

Quite simple really but it wouldnt appear to be the case with the council who simply follow the stupid schemes time after time. The only people who will benefit here are the businesses training these individuals and the contracts awarded for this.

That's nice for the current youth, but what about the old "youth" who couldnt get job during this recession and are now above this age range? Are we to just forget about them?

And 400 jobs?! That's not even enough to get all those fired from Thomas Cook back into work. Bradford needs a new sector of industry which can employ thousands!

wooly 2708 wrote:
I think this is certainly something positive for Bradford and could help to reduce some long-term unemployment. Better than nothing.

It would, however, be much better for the authority to be investing in assets that produce a return, for instance renewables to reduce the council's electricity bill and make a profit through selling the electricity to the Grid or better forms of recycling waste. Not only do we need to be doing that anyway for all sorts of reasons but it would create jobs, especially things like anaerobic digestion and large scale composting, and start to create streams of income that could be put back into the district and spent on other job creation schemes.

Selling back electricity to grid is never going to cover the amount of money on the collective bills, + original investment to make a profit. Your talking millions of £'s.

You think the puddle was a waste of money? dont you think that in hard times tax money is better spent on something that the people of Bradford will actually see a benefit for? At least the public have something nice to look at in the City Park.

Worry about installing all this sort of stuff when the times are good, but times are hard now, so lets get money behind schemes that get people into work, after all less and less people will be going to University now so this scheme will at the very least lead to valuable work experience for young people to take *wherever the jobs may be* or best case a viable route into work and industry.

Also whoever said that benefits is a right and the Government owes us a living is talking absolute bobbins.

The council needs to get schemes and projects rolling rather than sitting back and letting the city crumble away. What are the short term plans... Long term strattegies if any of the council... with regards to employment, education... youth... etc
Lets begin to put these in practicality..

Perhaps they can get some of these jobs on the Odeon development.
Although I'm probably not allowed to say that as it seems all comment on any Odeon story isn't allowed any more!

bobby98007 wrote:

wooly 2708 wrote:
I think this is certainly something positive for Bradford and could help to reduce some long-term unemployment. Better than nothing.

It would, however, be much better for the authority to be investing in assets that produce a return, for instance renewables to reduce the council's electricity bill and make a profit through selling the electricity to the Grid or better forms of recycling waste. Not only do we need to be doing that anyway for all sorts of reasons but it would create jobs, especially things like anaerobic digestion and large scale composting, and start to create streams of income that could be put back into the district and spent on other job creation schemes.

Selling back electricity to grid is never going to cover the amount of money on the collective bills, + original investment to make a profit. Your talking millions of £'s.

You think the puddle was a waste of money? dont you think that in hard times tax money is better spent on something that the people of Bradford will actually see a benefit for? At least the public have something nice to look at in the City Park.

Worry about installing all this sort of stuff when the times are good, but times are hard now, so lets get money behind schemes that get people into work, after all less and less people will be going to University now so this scheme will at the very least lead to valuable work experience for young people to take *wherever the jobs may be* or best case a viable route into work and industry.

Also whoever said that benefits is a right and the Government owes us a living is talking absolute bobbins.

I think you're the one talking "absolute bobbins", bobby. And talking of bobbins, when was the last time you could walk into any mill and immediately get a job as a Bobbin Ligger? Exactly. The jobs don't exist. Those days have gone. And by refusing to recognise this you are also a part of the problem. If you can't see the truth that the Government/State does in fact owe all of us a living, then you are frankly too stupid for words. OF COURSE, Benefits are a RIGHT! We, the Working Class, built this country. We ARE the country! We are the ones who go off to fight in wars for this country, and provide the hard toil of our labours so that fat-cats may sustain their life of luxury on our profits. There is a minority of scroungers that are bleeding the country dry. They are the people who are hoarding all the wealth and resources, and possess Millions and Billions of ££s, people like Emma Harris or Lord Ashcroft, not the poorest in society who somehow against all the odds manage to live on a very meagre amount of State Benefits. WAKE UP SUCKER, YOU'VE BEEN HAD!

Right ok another scheme they are trying to launch. I have taken a number of young people into my business on work experience through the current job centre scheme. Some people call it slave labour but personally I think its a great idea. The only issue is they are placing people in a sales environment for 8 weeks and the minimum sales cycle is around 12-16 weeks in our business so it ends up where the person starts it but doesnt end up bringing it in. I think each business should be looked at individually. I have two really good lads at the moment and one is in sales. The problem we are having is he has things bubbling away but unlikely to come in within his 8 weeks. Without them coming in I cant afford to take him on, I have already said if it does come in I will put that money in a fund to use it as wages throughout the year for him. We are a small business and expanding into different sectors but are main issue is this, in order to grow we need more money, we cant get it from the banks so where do we go? we are in a growth industry and business looks good but without money we are stuck, we have opened a new larger office to accommodate people from the job centre but then we are slapped with high business rates, which if I did not have I could use that money to help employ at least 1 extra member of staff. These schemes always sound great on the face of it but who ever benefits from them? If they said to us they would pay somebodies salary for the year in order to train them up and help us by getting rid of business rates then that person we train would be better off and so would the company.
Discrimination on age is another barrier and to be honest we have had several young people from the job centre now and I can honestly say it does not surprise me they haven't got a job. They have lasted a couple of weeks and then decided its not for them (cant be bothered syndrome) yet they are not all like that and I wish the government would help us small businesses more to help those people that want to learn and help themselves)
Its a vicious circle I'm afraid....

I have to be honest, the largest portion that is designated as being for the employment opportunities fund, where participants would be taken on by employers on a 12-month contract and I am guessing the £4.5 million is designated for the employers who take up the scheme,,,,, well is that not just another name for and slight alteration of operation of the workfare scheme? In the end surely it amounts to nothing else but more of the same, tax payer funded subsidised workers for companies and hoping on a wing and a prayer that at the end of it there will be something for the participant once the sweeteners have gone?,,,,,,,,,, The £1.8m industrial centres of excellence intended to give skills to 14 - 19 year olds to a degree interests me because it amounts in theory to the recognition that vocational education has merit over the long established and in my opinion pretty much worthless education system that has operated since it was designed by the Mill owners of the industrial revolution, which was designed to produce little more than good hamsters to tread the wheel of capitalism and requirements of those mill owners of that time. But I have a question on that, they say this is to directly impact with regard providing the skills that the employers in the key business growth sectors, such as healthcare technologies and advanced engineering,,,,, My question is that although yes this scheme may indeed help tailor these students skills to be in line with those industries requirements, which is not such a bad thing,,,,, but can anyone tell me if these sectors are having trouble filling their vacancies at present as it is, because if there is already a high number of applicants competing for a much lower number of positions within these sectors then yes the tailor made applicants may well be in with more chance of attaining positions, but in real terms of unemployed to jobs available nothing will actually have been gained,,,,, In the end we still come back to the mathematical reality with this that if there are x amount of employment positions available and x times 20 prospective employees chasing them then training or not that is the reality of opportunity available. To create jobs you have to stimulate industry and the employment sectors into growth, stimulating the prospective employees without addressing that will in the end not rectify the problem...... In the end this sort of scheme operates on the assumption that mass employment is available and is only not being achieved because of failings in one way or another of those who are seeking employment, or in other words its applying the judgement that industry and employment sectors are absolutely fine, dandy and in abundance so its the job-seekers themselves that are all the point of failure in the proceedings,,,,,, Does anyone believe that to be true?

I meant Emma Harrison, not "Harris". You know, the biggest benefits cheat in the country, who paid herself £8.6 Million of YOUR money for doing absolutely nothing, and just before resigning.

But, as Bob Dylan once said, "a lot of people don't have a lot of food on their plates, but they got knives and they got forks and sometimes they gotta cut somethin' "

EAT THE RICH ! ! !

Albion. wrote:

a reasonable sort of chap wrote:
THE ANSWER IS:

Lower retirement age to 50. Everyone of working age should work part-time only, no more than 3 days per week, thus enough jobs for all. To make this affordable and economically viable, stop the super-rich fat-cats from creaming-off all the wealth. Tax the rich out of existence. Plug all the tax-dodge loopholes. Re-nationalize all essential services; power, water, transport. Cap rents.

All together now comrades"The Internationale" ;-)

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Put them to work on the Westfield scheme

I’ve been in the construction industry for 25 years and I’ve never known it so hard to find poorly paid work?
Our last government thought it would be a real laugh to allow as many EU workers in as possible, not to fill in for unskilled jobs but to totally destroy the construction industry with unqualified workers doing jobs for a fraction of the real cost?
So Bradford council, when these newly qualified apprentices hit the job market where will they find work? Not in Bradford that’s for sure.
And before anyone states that EU workers are value for money think about this, for every 20% they pay in taxes they take at least 40% back in tax credits / child care ect ect then proceed to send the remaining money back “home”?
Another money wasting exercise by our totally inept council…………�
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jonnybbad wrote:
I’ve been in the construction industry for 25 years and I’ve never known it so hard to find poorly paid work?
Our last government thought it would be a real laugh to allow as many EU workers in as possible, not to fill in for unskilled jobs but to totally destroy the construction industry with unqualified workers doing jobs for a fraction of the real cost?
So Bradford council, when these newly qualified apprentices hit the job market where will they find work? Not in Bradford that’s for sure.
And before anyone states that EU workers are value for money think about this, for every 20% they pay in taxes they take at least 40% back in tax credits / child care ect ect then proceed to send the remaining money back “home”?
Another money wasting exercise by our totally inept council…………�
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The fact is most of the work in Bradford is in the black market, and has been for a long time, regardless of which Government. It's all cash-in-hand, no health & safety, no CSCS card, no income tax no VAT, and all work by word of mouth. That's the way Bradford functions. And now that the Tories are crippling the Benefits system and people are losing their Benefits, there will be much more of this going on as people will be forced to either turn to crime such as drug dealing or shoplifting, or accept work on the side. It's inevitable.

craig_John wrote:
Right ok another scheme they are trying to launch. I have taken a number of young people into my business on work experience through the current job centre scheme. Some people call it slave labour but personally I think its a great idea. The only issue is they are placing people in a sales environment for 8 weeks and the minimum sales cycle is around 12-16 weeks in our business so it ends up where the person starts it but doesnt end up bringing it in. I think each business should be looked at individually. I have two really good lads at the moment and one is in sales. The problem we are having is he has things bubbling away but unlikely to come in within his 8 weeks. Without them coming in I cant afford to take him on, I have already said if it does come in I will put that money in a fund to use it as wages throughout the year for him. We are a small business and expanding into different sectors but are main issue is this, in order to grow we need more money, we cant get it from the banks so where do we go? we are in a growth industry and business looks good but without money we are stuck, we have opened a new larger office to accommodate people from the job centre but then we are slapped with high business rates, which if I did not have I could use that money to help employ at least 1 extra member of staff. These schemes always sound great on the face of it but who ever benefits from them? If they said to us they would pay somebodies salary for the year in order to train them up and help us by getting rid of business rates then that person we train would be better off and so would the company.
Discrimination on age is another barrier and to be honest we have had several young people from the job centre now and I can honestly say it does not surprise me they haven't got a job. They have lasted a couple of weeks and then decided its not for them (cant be bothered syndrome) yet they are not all like that and I wish the government would help us small businesses more to help those people that want to learn and help themselves)
Its a vicious circle I'm afraid....

Yeah I'll bet you think it's a god idea! You're getting free unpaid labour! How would you like to work 12 - 16 weeks for no pay? Thought not. A decent living wage for a week's work, nothing less. AND they should have Union rights too, remember Peterloo:

"Equal Representation Or Death!"

"A bid for £1.5m has been submitted, and if approved, would tie in with the city centre growth zone the Council is to create.."

WE DON'T NEED 'GROWTH', WE NEED *SUSTAINABILITY*.

CAPITALISM ISN'T WORKING !

Drumbeater wrote:
lets take notice of a council that wastes 24m on a PUDDLE!!
they could have subsidised thomas cook's rent for a few years with that!!

Can I just point out that the Council didn't actually pay for said puddle, the money came from Europe and if it hadn't been spent on the puddle, it would have been withdrawn. At least it paid the wages for the workers for the length of time it took to build said puddle, so it did at least provide some benefit to the workforce!

You're wrong, Europe didn't pay for the City Park, funding was in fact sought from the lottery and rejected. The money was ring fenced from council funds, I believe part of it may have been from sale of the airport.

a reasonable sort of chap wrote:

jonnybbad wrote:
I’ve been in the construction industry for 25 years and I’ve never known it so hard to find poorly paid work?
Our last government thought it would be a real laugh to allow as many EU workers in as possible, not to fill in for unskilled jobs but to totally destroy the construction industry with unqualified workers doing jobs for a fraction of the real cost?
So Bradford council, when these newly qualified apprentices hit the job market where will they find work? Not in Bradford that’s for sure.
And before anyone states that EU workers are value for money think about this, for every 20% they pay in taxes they take at least 40% back in tax credits / child care ect ect then proceed to send the remaining money back “home”?
Another money wasting exercise by our totally inept council…………�
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The fact is most of the work in Bradford is in the black market, and has been for a long time, regardless of which Government. It's all cash-in-hand, no health & safety, no CSCS card, no income tax no VAT, and all work by word of mouth. That's the way Bradford functions. And now that the Tories are crippling the Benefits system and people are losing their Benefits, there will be much more of this going on as people will be forced to either turn to crime such as drug dealing or shoplifting, or accept work on the side. It's inevitable.

Wow! a real workers rights man?
For your information you can’t work on any site without a cscs card, i must be alone in Bradford because I’ve never claimed any form of benefits and yes I’m a home owner with 3 children.
I and my fellow tradesmen put our jobs through the books and pay the relevant taxes I also pay liability insurance and the councils ever increasing taxes?
To be told that the Bradford construction industry runs on a "black market" word of mouth structure is a joke?
I think you are confusing us with a very small unskilled section of the community that will do “any” work for the price of their next bag of smack or 8 cans of white lightning?
Get out the 80's era pal, Margaret Thatcher has not been in power for decades, get over it? lol

a reasonable sort of chap wrote:
THE ANSWER IS:

Lower retirement age to 50. Everyone of working age should work part-time only, no more than 3 days per week, thus enough jobs for all. To make this affordable and economically viable, stop the super-rich fat-cats from creaming-off all the wealth. Tax the rich out of existence. Plug all the tax-dodge loopholes. Re-nationalize all essential services; power, water, transport. Cap rents.

for once i agree with you.
share the wealth.

a reasonable sort of chap wrote:
I meant Emma Harrison, not "Harris". You know, the biggest benefits cheat in the country, who paid herself £8.6 Million of YOUR money for doing absolutely nothing, and just before resigning.

But, as Bob Dylan once said, "a lot of people don't have a lot of food on their plates, but they got knives and they got forks and sometimes they gotta cut somethin' "

EAT THE RICH ! ! !

at least emma harrison worked , when did you last look for work let alone do any ? her company got thousands into work over the years ... and you who seems to have attended every programme going since the year dot have still not managed to find work.. like i said the other day YOUR A WASTE OF PERFECTLY GOOD ORGANS !! and isnt it double standards when you can sit on your scruffy lazy back side year after year sponging money of the government at all bradford taxpayers expenses, but when emma takes her money legitametly its an outrage !! do us all a favour and sell them kidneys of yours so we dont need to listen to your pathetic little drivel anymore.

a reasonable sort of chap wrote:
"A bid for £1.5m has been submitted, and if approved, would tie in with the city centre growth zone the Council is to create.."

WE DON'T NEED 'GROWTH', WE NEED *SUSTAINABILITY*.

CAPITALISM ISN'T WORKING !

Neither are you.

Get back to work wrote:

a reasonable sort of chap wrote:
I meant Emma Harrison, not "Harris". You know, the biggest benefits cheat in the country, who paid herself £8.6 Million of YOUR money for doing absolutely nothing, and just before resigning.

But, as Bob Dylan once said, "a lot of people don't have a lot of food on their plates, but they got knives and they got forks and sometimes they gotta cut somethin' "

EAT THE RICH ! ! !

at least emma harrison worked , when did you last look for work let alone do any ? her company got thousands into work over the years ... and you who seems to have attended every programme going since the year dot have still not managed to find work.. like i said the other day YOUR A WASTE OF PERFECTLY GOOD ORGANS !! and isnt it double standards when you can sit on your scruffy lazy back side year after year sponging money of the government at all bradford taxpayers expenses, but when emma takes her money legitametly its an outrage !! do us all a favour and sell them kidneys of yours so we dont need to listen to your pathetic little drivel anymore.

Your definition of legitimately sure differs from mine and other right minded people. She ripped off millions of pounds from the taxpayer by exploiting the system and jobseekers.

allinittogether wrote:

Get back to work wrote:

a reasonable sort of chap wrote:
I meant Emma Harrison, not "Harris". You know, the biggest benefits cheat in the country, who paid herself £8.6 Million of YOUR money for doing absolutely nothing, and just before resigning.

But, as Bob Dylan once said, "a lot of people don't have a lot of food on their plates, but they got knives and they got forks and sometimes they gotta cut somethin' "

EAT THE RICH ! ! !

at least emma harrison worked , when did you last look for work let alone do any ? her company got thousands into work over the years ... and you who seems to have attended every programme going since the year dot have still not managed to find work.. like i said the other day YOUR A WASTE OF PERFECTLY GOOD ORGANS !! and isnt it double standards when you can sit on your scruffy lazy back side year after year sponging money of the government at all bradford taxpayers expenses, but when emma takes her money legitametly its an outrage !! do us all a favour and sell them kidneys of yours so we dont need to listen to your pathetic little drivel anymore.

Your definition of legitimately sure differs from mine and other right minded people. She ripped off millions of pounds from the taxpayer by exploiting the system and jobseekers.

maybe morally it was wrong , but it was definately legitimate.

yangyeight wrote:
lets take notice of a council that wastes 24m on a PUDDLE!!
they could have subsidised thomas cook's rent for a few years with that!!
just waiting for all the usual anti-tory brigade who will say its all their fault! yawn yawn!!

why should the council subsidise any private company who have not kept their affairs in order. This has been brewing for quite a while now and it is not the tax payers liability. Although I am sorry for the staff who have been made redundant in the present conditions, I hope they are able to find suitable employment having got work experience.

a reasonable sort of chap wrote:

bobby98007 wrote:

wooly 2708 wrote: I think this is certainly something positive for Bradford and could help to reduce some long-term unemployment. Better than nothing. It would, however, be much better for the authority to be investing in assets that produce a return, for instance renewables to reduce the council's electricity bill and make a profit through selling the electricity to the Grid or better forms of recycling waste. Not only do we need to be doing that anyway for all sorts of reasons but it would create jobs, especially things like anaerobic digestion and large scale composting, and start to create streams of income that could be put back into the district and spent on other job creation schemes.

Selling back electricity to grid is never going to cover the amount of money on the collective bills, + original investment to make a profit. Your talking millions of £'s. You think the puddle was a waste of money? dont you think that in hard times tax money is better spent on something that the people of Bradford will actually see a benefit for? At least the public have something nice to look at in the City Park. Worry about installing all this sort of stuff when the times are good, but times are hard now, so lets get money behind schemes that get people into work, after all less and less people will be going to University now so this scheme will at the very least lead to valuable work experience for young people to take *wherever the jobs may be* or best case a viable route into work and industry. Also whoever said that benefits is a right and the Government owes us a living is talking absolute bobbins.

I think you're the one talking "absolute bobbins", bobby. And talking of bobbins, when was the last time you could walk into any mill and immediately get a job as a Bobbin Ligger? Exactly. The jobs don't exist. Those days have gone. And by refusing to recognise this you are also a part of the problem. If you can't see the truth that the Government/State does in fact owe all of us a living, then you are frankly too stupid for words. OF COURSE, Benefits are a RIGHT! We, the Working Class, built this country. We ARE the country! We are the ones who go off to fight in wars for this country, and provide the hard toil of our labours so that fat-cats may sustain their life of luxury on our profits. There is a minority of scroungers that are bleeding the country dry. They are the people who are hoarding all the wealth and resources, and possess Millions and Billions of ££s, people like Emma Harris or Lord Ashcroft, not the poorest in society who somehow against all the odds manage to live on a very meagre amount of State Benefits. WAKE UP SUCKER, YOU'VE BEEN HAD!

Still dreaming about your rights to benefits.
Still vacancies for village idiots you should have no problem getting one of them.

flogem wrote:

a reasonable sort of chap wrote:

bobby98007 wrote:

wooly 2708 wrote: I think this is certainly something positive for Bradford and could help to reduce some long-term unemployment. Better than nothing. It would, however, be much better for the authority to be investing in assets that produce a return, for instance renewables to reduce the council's electricity bill and make a profit through selling the electricity to the Grid or better forms of recycling waste. Not only do we need to be doing that anyway for all sorts of reasons but it would create jobs, especially things like anaerobic digestion and large scale composting, and start to create streams of income that could be put back into the district and spent on other job creation schemes.

Selling back electricity to grid is never going to cover the amount of money on the collective bills, + original investment to make a profit. Your talking millions of £'s. You think the puddle was a waste of money? dont you think that in hard times tax money is better spent on something that the people of Bradford will actually see a benefit for? At least the public have something nice to look at in the City Park. Worry about installing all this sort of stuff when the times are good, but times are hard now, so lets get money behind schemes that get people into work, after all less and less people will be going to University now so this scheme will at the very least lead to valuable work experience for young people to take *wherever the jobs may be* or best case a viable route into work and industry. Also whoever said that benefits is a right and the Government owes us a living is talking absolute bobbins.

I think you're the one talking "absolute bobbins", bobby. And talking of bobbins, when was the last time you could walk into any mill and immediately get a job as a Bobbin Ligger? Exactly. The jobs don't exist. Those days have gone. And by refusing to recognise this you are also a part of the problem. If you can't see the truth that the Government/State does in fact owe all of us a living, then you are frankly too stupid for words. OF COURSE, Benefits are a RIGHT! We, the Working Class, built this country. We ARE the country! We are the ones who go off to fight in wars for this country, and provide the hard toil of our labours so that fat-cats may sustain their life of luxury on our profits. There is a minority of scroungers that are bleeding the country dry. They are the people who are hoarding all the wealth and resources, and possess Millions and Billions of ££s, people like Emma Harris or Lord Ashcroft, not the poorest in society who somehow against all the odds manage to live on a very meagre amount of State Benefits. WAKE UP SUCKER, YOU'VE BEEN HAD!

Still dreaming about your rights to benefits.
Still vacancies for village idiots you should have no problem getting one of them.

Only on the afternoon shift.

Albion. wrote:

flogem wrote:

a reasonable sort of chap wrote:

bobby98007 wrote:

wooly 2708 wrote: I think this is certainly something positive for Bradford and could help to reduce some long-term unemployment. Better than nothing. It would, however, be much better for the authority to be investing in assets that produce a return, for instance renewables to reduce the council's electricity bill and make a profit through selling the electricity to the Grid or better forms of recycling waste. Not only do we need to be doing that anyway for all sorts of reasons but it would create jobs, especially things like anaerobic digestion and large scale composting, and start to create streams of income that could be put back into the district and spent on other job creation schemes.

Selling back electricity to grid is never going to cover the amount of money on the collective bills, + original investment to make a profit. Your talking millions of £'s. You think the puddle was a waste of money? dont you think that in hard times tax money is better spent on something that the people of Bradford will actually see a benefit for? At least the public have something nice to look at in the City Park. Worry about installing all this sort of stuff when the times are good, but times are hard now, so lets get money behind schemes that get people into work, after all less and less people will be going to University now so this scheme will at the very least lead to valuable work experience for young people to take *wherever the jobs may be* or best case a viable route into work and industry. Also whoever said that benefits is a right and the Government owes us a living is talking absolute bobbins.

I think you're the one talking "absolute bobbins", bobby. And talking of bobbins, when was the last time you could walk into any mill and immediately get a job as a Bobbin Ligger? Exactly. The jobs don't exist. Those days have gone. And by refusing to recognise this you are also a part of the problem. If you can't see the truth that the Government/State does in fact owe all of us a living, then you are frankly too stupid for words. OF COURSE, Benefits are a RIGHT! We, the Working Class, built this country. We ARE the country! We are the ones who go off to fight in wars for this country, and provide the hard toil of our labours so that fat-cats may sustain their life of luxury on our profits. There is a minority of scroungers that are bleeding the country dry. They are the people who are hoarding all the wealth and resources, and possess Millions and Billions of ££s, people like Emma Harris or Lord Ashcroft, not the poorest in society who somehow against all the odds manage to live on a very meagre amount of State Benefits. WAKE UP SUCKER, YOU'VE BEEN HAD!

Still dreaming about your rights to benefits.
Still vacancies for village idiots you should have no problem getting one of them.

Only on the afternoon shift.

With 2 x 15 min breaks and an hour for lunch.....

Get back to work wrote:

Albion. wrote:

flogem wrote:

a reasonable sort of chap wrote:

bobby98007 wrote:

wooly 2708 wrote: I think this is certainly something positive for Bradford and could help to reduce some long-term unemployment. Better than nothing. It would, however, be much better for the authority to be investing in assets that produce a return, for instance renewables to reduce the council's electricity bill and make a profit through selling the electricity to the Grid or better forms of recycling waste. Not only do we need to be doing that anyway for all sorts of reasons but it would create jobs, especially things like anaerobic digestion and large scale composting, and start to create streams of income that could be put back into the district and spent on other job creation schemes.

Selling back electricity to grid is never going to cover the amount of money on the collective bills, + original investment to make a profit. Your talking millions of £'s. You think the puddle was a waste of money? dont you think that in hard times tax money is better spent on something that the people of Bradford will actually see a benefit for? At least the public have something nice to look at in the City Park. Worry about installing all this sort of stuff when the times are good, but times are hard now, so lets get money behind schemes that get people into work, after all less and less people will be going to University now so this scheme will at the very least lead to valuable work experience for young people to take *wherever the jobs may be* or best case a viable route into work and industry. Also whoever said that benefits is a right and the Government owes us a living is talking absolute bobbins.

I think you're the one talking "absolute bobbins", bobby. And talking of bobbins, when was the last time you could walk into any mill and immediately get a job as a Bobbin Ligger? Exactly. The jobs don't exist. Those days have gone. And by refusing to recognise this you are also a part of the problem. If you can't see the truth that the Government/State does in fact owe all of us a living, then you are frankly too stupid for words. OF COURSE, Benefits are a RIGHT! We, the Working Class, built this country. We ARE the country! We are the ones who go off to fight in wars for this country, and provide the hard toil of our labours so that fat-cats may sustain their life of luxury on our profits. There is a minority of scroungers that are bleeding the country dry. They are the people who are hoarding all the wealth and resources, and possess Millions and Billions of ££s, people like Emma Harris or Lord Ashcroft, not the poorest in society who somehow against all the odds manage to live on a very meagre amount of State Benefits. WAKE UP SUCKER, YOU'VE BEEN HAD!

Still dreaming about your rights to benefits.
Still vacancies for village idiots you should have no problem getting one of them.

Only on the afternoon shift.

With 2 x 15 min breaks and an hour for lunch.....

And an all expenses paid train spotting trip to Clayton.

Get back to work wrote:

allinittogether wrote:

Get back to work wrote:

a reasonable sort of chap wrote:
I meant Emma Harrison, not "Harris". You know, the biggest benefits cheat in the country, who paid herself £8.6 Million of YOUR money for doing absolutely nothing, and just before resigning.

But, as Bob Dylan once said, "a lot of people don't have a lot of food on their plates, but they got knives and they got forks and sometimes they gotta cut somethin' "

EAT THE RICH ! ! !

at least emma harrison worked , when did you last look for work let alone do any ? her company got thousands into work over the years ... and you who seems to have attended every programme going since the year dot have still not managed to find work.. like i said the other day YOUR A WASTE OF PERFECTLY GOOD ORGANS !! and isnt it double standards when you can sit on your scruffy lazy back side year after year sponging money of the government at all bradford taxpayers expenses, but when emma takes her money legitametly its an outrage !! do us all a favour and sell them kidneys of yours so we dont need to listen to your pathetic little drivel anymore.

Your definition of legitimately sure differs from mine and other right minded people. She ripped off millions of pounds from the taxpayer by exploiting the system and jobseekers.

maybe morally it was wrong , but it was definately legitimate.

Personal friend, are you? She used to drink in the Westleigh near the University. The fact that you admit her approach was 'morally wrong' suggests that any loopholes should have been closed well before she had the chance to exploit them.

mrs walker wrote:

Get back to work wrote:

allinittogether wrote:

Get back to work wrote:

a reasonable sort of chap wrote:
I meant Emma Harrison, not "Harris". You know, the biggest benefits cheat in the country, who paid herself £8.6 Million of YOUR money for doing absolutely nothing, and just before resigning.

But, as Bob Dylan once said, "a lot of people don't have a lot of food on their plates, but they got knives and they got forks and sometimes they gotta cut somethin' "

EAT THE RICH ! ! !

at least emma harrison worked , when did you last look for work let alone do any ? her company got thousands into work over the years ... and you who seems to have attended every programme going since the year dot have still not managed to find work.. like i said the other day YOUR A WASTE OF PERFECTLY GOOD ORGANS !! and isnt it double standards when you can sit on your scruffy lazy back side year after year sponging money of the government at all bradford taxpayers expenses, but when emma takes her money legitametly its an outrage !! do us all a favour and sell them kidneys of yours so we dont need to listen to your pathetic little drivel anymore.

Your definition of legitimately sure differs from mine and other right minded people. She ripped off millions of pounds from the taxpayer by exploiting the system and jobseekers.

maybe morally it was wrong , but it was definately legitimate.

Personal friend, are you? She used to drink in the Westleigh near the University. The fact that you admit her approach was 'morally wrong' suggests that any loopholes should have been closed well before she had the chance to exploit them.

i didnt admit to it , i said "MAYBE morally it was wrong"...and why is it expoiting ? when the government puts a programme out to tender thats definately a legitimate business opportunity. everything was above board and legal. cant blame an entrepeneur for taking the bull by the horns

Get back to work wrote:

a reasonable sort of chap wrote:
I meant Emma Harrison, not "Harris". You know, the biggest benefits cheat in the country, who paid herself £8.6 Million of YOUR money for doing absolutely nothing, and just before resigning.

But, as Bob Dylan once said, "a lot of people don't have a lot of food on their plates, but they got knives and they got forks and sometimes they gotta cut somethin' "

EAT THE RICH ! ! !

at least emma harrison worked , when did you last look for work let alone do any ? her company got thousands into work over the years ... and you who seems to have attended every programme going since the year dot have still not managed to find work.. like i said the other day YOUR A WASTE OF PERFECTLY GOOD ORGANS !! and isnt it double standards when you can sit on your scruffy lazy back side year after year sponging money of the government at all bradford taxpayers expenses, but when emma takes her money legitametly its an outrage !! do us all a favour and sell them kidneys of yours so we dont need to listen to your pathetic little drivel anymore.

No, no she didn't "work". And no, her company certainly did not get thousands into work over the years, it was all a scam, and you funded it. What her company did do, was bully thousands of people into accepting insecure low-paid work, often temporary and through agencies. And so Emma Harrison did not take her money legitimately. It is people like her that are bleeding the country dry, not the poorest and most vulnerable in society who are now being marginalized and persecuted by the Tory Toffs, the Right-wing media, and those idiots like you who support them like lambs to the slaughter.

flogem wrote:

a reasonable sort of chap wrote:

bobby98007 wrote:

wooly 2708 wrote: I think this is certainly something positive for Bradford and could help to reduce some long-term unemployment. Better than nothing. It would, however, be much better for the authority to be investing in assets that produce a return, for instance renewables to reduce the council's electricity bill and make a profit through selling the electricity to the Grid or better forms of recycling waste. Not only do we need to be doing that anyway for all sorts of reasons but it would create jobs, especially things like anaerobic digestion and large scale composting, and start to create streams of income that could be put back into the district and spent on other job creation schemes.

Selling back electricity to grid is never going to cover the amount of money on the collective bills, + original investment to make a profit. Your talking millions of £'s. You think the puddle was a waste of money? dont you think that in hard times tax money is better spent on something that the people of Bradford will actually see a benefit for? At least the public have something nice to look at in the City Park. Worry about installing all this sort of stuff when the times are good, but times are hard now, so lets get money behind schemes that get people into work, after all less and less people will be going to University now so this scheme will at the very least lead to valuable work experience for young people to take *wherever the jobs may be* or best case a viable route into work and industry. Also whoever said that benefits is a right and the Government owes us a living is talking absolute bobbins.

I think you're the one talking "absolute bobbins", bobby. And talking of bobbins, when was the last time you could walk into any mill and immediately get a job as a Bobbin Ligger? Exactly. The jobs don't exist. Those days have gone. And by refusing to recognise this you are also a part of the problem. If you can't see the truth that the Government/State does in fact owe all of us a living, then you are frankly too stupid for words. OF COURSE, Benefits are a RIGHT! We, the Working Class, built this country. We ARE the country! We are the ones who go off to fight in wars for this country, and provide the hard toil of our labours so that fat-cats may sustain their life of luxury on our profits. There is a minority of scroungers that are bleeding the country dry. They are the people who are hoarding all the wealth and resources, and possess Millions and Billions of ££s, people like Emma Harris or Lord Ashcroft, not the poorest in society who somehow against all the odds manage to live on a very meagre amount of State Benefits. WAKE UP SUCKER, YOU'VE BEEN HAD!

Still dreaming about your rights to benefits.
Still vacancies for village idiots you should have no problem getting one of them.

I'm not dreaming pal, I'm living the dream.

a reasonable sort of chap wrote:

Get back to work wrote:

a reasonable sort of chap wrote:
I meant Emma Harrison, not "Harris". You know, the biggest benefits cheat in the country, who paid herself £8.6 Million of YOUR money for doing absolutely nothing, and just before resigning.

But, as Bob Dylan once said, "a lot of people don't have a lot of food on their plates, but they got knives and they got forks and sometimes they gotta cut somethin' "

EAT THE RICH ! ! !

at least emma harrison worked , when did you last look for work let alone do any ? her company got thousands into work over the years ... and you who seems to have attended every programme going since the year dot have still not managed to find work.. like i said the other day YOUR A WASTE OF PERFECTLY GOOD ORGANS !! and isnt it double standards when you can sit on your scruffy lazy back side year after year sponging money of the government at all bradford taxpayers expenses, but when emma takes her money legitametly its an outrage !! do us all a favour and sell them kidneys of yours so we dont need to listen to your pathetic little drivel anymore.

No, no she didn't "work". And no, her company certainly did not get thousands into work over the years, it was all a scam, and you funded it. What her company did do, was bully thousands of people into accepting insecure low-paid work, often temporary and through agencies. And so Emma Harrison did not take her money legitimately. It is people like her that are bleeding the country dry, not the poorest and most vulnerable in society who are now being marginalized and persecuted by the Tory Toffs, the Right-wing media, and those idiots like you who support them like lambs to the slaughter.

Its people like you bleeding the country dry, work shy lazy tw**s... our taxes pay out £160bn every year to scroungers like you, so Emmas hard earned £8.6m is nothing compared to your thieving lot.. the benefits system was set up as a temporary measure for those most in need at difficult times not to become a lifestyle for pondlife like you. You`d refuse a BLOW JOB on the grounds it might affect your benefits !!!!

Get back to work wrote:

a reasonable sort of chap wrote:

Get back to work wrote:

a reasonable sort of chap wrote:
I meant Emma Harrison, not "Harris". You know, the biggest benefits cheat in the country, who paid herself £8.6 Million of YOUR money for doing absolutely nothing, and just before resigning.

But, as Bob Dylan once said, "a lot of people don't have a lot of food on their plates, but they got knives and they got forks and sometimes they gotta cut somethin' "

EAT THE RICH ! ! !

at least emma harrison worked , when did you last look for work let alone do any ? her company got thousands into work over the years ... and you who seems to have attended every programme going since the year dot have still not managed to find work.. like i said the other day YOUR A WASTE OF PERFECTLY GOOD ORGANS !! and isnt it double standards when you can sit on your scruffy lazy back side year after year sponging money of the government at all bradford taxpayers expenses, but when emma takes her money legitametly its an outrage !! do us all a favour and sell them kidneys of yours so we dont need to listen to your pathetic little drivel anymore.

No, no she didn't "work". And no, her company certainly did not get thousands into work over the years, it was all a scam, and you funded it. What her company did do, was bully thousands of people into accepting insecure low-paid work, often temporary and through agencies. And so Emma Harrison did not take her money legitimately. It is people like her that are bleeding the country dry, not the poorest and most vulnerable in society who are now being marginalized and persecuted by the Tory Toffs, the Right-wing media, and those idiots like you who support them like lambs to the slaughter.

Its people like you bleeding the country dry, work shy lazy tw**s... our taxes pay out £160bn every year to scroungers like you, so Emmas hard earned £8.6m is nothing compared to your thieving lot.. the benefits system was set up as a temporary measure for those most in need at difficult times not to become a lifestyle for pondlife like you. You`d refuse a BLOW JOB on the grounds it might affect your benefits !!!!

I didn't believe that anyone could BE so stupid!

Oh yes, that's right, blame all our economic woes on those at the bottom of the pile, those who are forced to choose between staying warm or having food, of course it's all their fault. DICK-HEAD.

Emma Harrison is only ONE of the scroungers that are bleeding us dry. Another one is Lord Ashcroft, a multi-billionaire who pays no tax. And there are plenty more of them. But don't worry, because we're all in this together, aren't we?

a reasonable sort of chap wrote:

Get back to work wrote:

a reasonable sort of chap wrote:

Get back to work wrote:

a reasonable sort of chap wrote:
I meant Emma Harrison, not "Harris". You know, the biggest benefits cheat in the country, who paid herself £8.6 Million of YOUR money for doing absolutely nothing, and just before resigning.

But, as Bob Dylan once said, "a lot of people don't have a lot of food on their plates, but they got knives and they got forks and sometimes they gotta cut somethin' "

EAT THE RICH ! ! !

at least emma harrison worked , when did you last look for work let alone do any ? her company got thousands into work over the years ... and you who seems to have attended every programme going since the year dot have still not managed to find work.. like i said the other day YOUR A WASTE OF PERFECTLY GOOD ORGANS !! and isnt it double standards when you can sit on your scruffy lazy back side year after year sponging money of the government at all bradford taxpayers expenses, but when emma takes her money legitametly its an outrage !! do us all a favour and sell them kidneys of yours so we dont need to listen to your pathetic little drivel anymore.

No, no she didn't "work". And no, her company certainly did not get thousands into work over the years, it was all a scam, and you funded it. What her company did do, was bully thousands of people into accepting insecure low-paid work, often temporary and through agencies. And so Emma Harrison did not take her money legitimately. It is people like her that are bleeding the country dry, not the poorest and most vulnerable in society who are now being marginalized and persecuted by the Tory Toffs, the Right-wing media, and those idiots like you who support them like lambs to the slaughter.

Its people like you bleeding the country dry, work shy lazy tw**s... our taxes pay out £160bn every year to scroungers like you, so Emmas hard earned £8.6m is nothing compared to your thieving lot.. the benefits system was set up as a temporary measure for those most in need at difficult times not to become a lifestyle for pondlife like you. You`d refuse a BLOW JOB on the grounds it might affect your benefits !!!!

I didn't believe that anyone could BE so stupid!

Oh yes, that's right, blame all our economic woes on those at the bottom of the pile, those who are forced to choose between staying warm or having food, of course it's all their fault. DICK-HEAD.

Emma Harrison is only ONE of the scroungers that are bleeding us dry. Another one is Lord Ashcroft, a multi-billionaire who pays no tax. And there are plenty more of them. But don't worry, because we're all in this together, aren't we?

i dont know how you`ve got the balls to say Lord Ashcraft doesnt pay taxes , when did you last pay TAXES , NATIONAL INSURANCE , COUNCIL TAX OR EVEN THE RENT ON YOUR HOME ? as for choosing between heat and food utter boll**ks , you get more than enough benefits to survive on.... you seem to have enough to pay for your internet connection each month , so dont tell us hard working folk you have to choose between food and warmth... LOSER

Get back to work wrote:

a reasonable sort of chap wrote:

Get back to work wrote:

a reasonable sort of chap wrote:

Get back to work wrote:

a reasonable sort of chap wrote:
I meant Emma Harrison, not "Harris". You know, the biggest benefits cheat in the country, who paid herself £8.6 Million of YOUR money for doing absolutely nothing, and just before resigning.

But, as Bob Dylan once said, "a lot of people don't have a lot of food on their plates, but they got knives and they got forks and sometimes they gotta cut somethin' "

EAT THE RICH ! ! !

at least emma harrison worked , when did you last look for work let alone do any ? her company got thousands into work over the years ... and you who seems to have attended every programme going since the year dot have still not managed to find work.. like i said the other day YOUR A WASTE OF PERFECTLY GOOD ORGANS !! and isnt it double standards when you can sit on your scruffy lazy back side year after year sponging money of the government at all bradford taxpayers expenses, but when emma takes her money legitametly its an outrage !! do us all a favour and sell them kidneys of yours so we dont need to listen to your pathetic little drivel anymore.

No, no she didn't "work". And no, her company certainly did not get thousands into work over the years, it was all a scam, and you funded it. What her company did do, was bully thousands of people into accepting insecure low-paid work, often temporary and through agencies. And so Emma Harrison did not take her money legitimately. It is people like her that are bleeding the country dry, not the poorest and most vulnerable in society who are now being marginalized and persecuted by the Tory Toffs, the Right-wing media, and those idiots like you who support them like lambs to the slaughter.

Its people like you bleeding the country dry, work shy lazy tw**s... our taxes pay out £160bn every year to scroungers like you, so Emmas hard earned £8.6m is nothing compared to your thieving lot.. the benefits system was set up as a temporary measure for those most in need at difficult times not to become a lifestyle for pondlife like you. You`d refuse a BLOW JOB on the grounds it might affect your benefits !!!!

I didn't believe that anyone could BE so stupid!

Oh yes, that's right, blame all our economic woes on those at the bottom of the pile, those who are forced to choose between staying warm or having food, of course it's all their fault. DICK-HEAD.

Emma Harrison is only ONE of the scroungers that are bleeding us dry. Another one is Lord Ashcroft, a multi-billionaire who pays no tax. And there are plenty more of them. But don't worry, because we're all in this together, aren't we?

i dont know how you`ve got the balls to say Lord Ashcraft doesnt pay taxes , when did you last pay TAXES , NATIONAL INSURANCE , COUNCIL TAX OR EVEN THE RENT ON YOUR HOME ? as for choosing between heat and food utter boll**ks , you get more than enough benefits to survive on.... you seem to have enough to pay for your internet connection each month , so dont tell us hard working folk you have to choose between food and warmth... LOSER

You are a complete idiot. just how fra do you think 70 poxy quid goes in this day and age? You try it. Go on, I dare you. I bet you couldn't survive the first month. Anyway, you'll find out soon when your crappy so-called "training" company goes bust. You'll be on the dole just like all the rest. Then see where voting Tory got you. Idiot.

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Get back to work wrote:

a reasonable sort of chap wrote:

Get back to work wrote:

a reasonable sort of chap wrote:

Get back to work wrote:

a reasonable sort of chap wrote:
I meant Emma Harrison, not "Harris". You know, the biggest benefits cheat in the country, who paid herself £8.6 Million of YOUR money for doing absolutely nothing, and just before resigning.

But, as Bob Dylan once said, "a lot of people don't have a lot of food on their plates, but they got knives and they got forks and sometimes they gotta cut somethin' "

EAT THE RICH ! ! !

at least emma harrison worked , when did you last look for work let alone do any ? her company got thousands into work over the years ... and you who seems to have attended every programme going since the year dot have still not managed to find work.. like i said the other day YOUR A WASTE OF PERFECTLY GOOD ORGANS !! and isnt it double standards when you can sit on your scruffy lazy back side year after year sponging money of the government at all bradford taxpayers expenses, but when emma takes her money legitametly its an outrage !! do us all a favour and sell them kidneys of yours so we dont need to listen to your pathetic little drivel anymore.

No, no she didn't "work". And no, her company certainly did not get thousands into work over the years, it was all a scam, and you funded it. What her company did do, was bully thousands of people into accepting insecure low-paid work, often temporary and through agencies. And so Emma Harrison did not take her money legitimately. It is people like her that are bleeding the country dry, not the poorest and most vulnerable in society who are now being marginalized and persecuted by the Tory Toffs, the Right-wing media, and those idiots like you who support them like lambs to the slaughter.

Its people like you bleeding the country dry, work shy lazy tw**s... our taxes pay out £160bn every year to scroungers like you, so Emmas hard earned £8.6m is nothing compared to your thieving lot.. the benefits system was set up as a temporary measure for those most in need at difficult times not to become a lifestyle for pondlife like you. You`d refuse a BLOW JOB on the grounds it might affect your benefits !!!!

I didn't believe that anyone could BE so stupid!

Oh yes, that's right, blame all our economic woes on those at the bottom of the pile, those who are forced to choose between staying warm or having food, of course it's all their fault. DICK-HEAD.

Emma Harrison is only ONE of the scroungers that are bleeding us dry. Another one is Lord Ashcroft, a multi-billionaire who pays no tax. And there are plenty more of them. But don't worry, because we're all in this together, aren't we?

i dont know how you`ve got the balls to say Lord Ashcraft doesnt pay taxes , when did you last pay TAXES , NATIONAL INSURANCE , COUNCIL TAX OR EVEN THE RENT ON YOUR HOME ? as for choosing between heat and food utter boll**ks , you get more than enough benefits to survive on.... you seem to have enough to pay for your internet connection each month , so dont tell us hard working folk you have to choose between food and warmth... LOSER

You are a complete idiot. just how fra do you think 70 poxy quid goes in this day and age? You try it. Go on, I dare you. I bet you couldn't survive the first month. Anyway, you'll find out soon when your crappy so-called "training" company goes bust. You'll be on the dole just like all the rest. Then see where voting Tory got you. Idiot.

You dont survive on only £70pw, thats your pocket money for doing sweet FA. Your rent and council tax is fully paid for by me and all the other hard grafting people in this country. So that £70 is more than adequate to survive on, as i said earlier you can afford the luxury of broadband and a PC , and no doubt you`ve got a 50" plasma with blu ray DVD and the complete sky package. So dont start the, im on the poverty line routine, and its a choice between eating and keeping warm... as for daring me ill live on £70 a week IF YOU GO TO A REAL COUNTRY THATS EXPERIENCING REAL POVERTY, then come back and tell me what its really like to experience poverty. this country is one of the wealthiest in the world and i dont believe for a single moment anyone is actually living in poverty. Yeah people are struggling and in debt but trust me its not poverty !!!! and finally if £70 is so hard to live on GET A FREAKING JOB.

Get back to work wrote:

a reasonable sort of chap wrote:

Get back to work wrote:

a reasonable sort of chap wrote:

Get back to work wrote:

a reasonable sort of chap wrote:

Get back to work wrote:

a reasonable sort of chap wrote:
I meant Emma Harrison, not "Harris". You know, the biggest benefits cheat in the country, who paid herself £8.6 Million of YOUR money for doing absolutely nothing, and just before resigning.

But, as Bob Dylan once said, "a lot of people don't have a lot of food on their plates, but they got knives and they got forks and sometimes they gotta cut somethin' "

EAT THE RICH ! ! !

at least emma harrison worked , when did you last look for work let alone do any ? her company got thousands into work over the years ... and you who seems to have attended every programme going since the year dot have still not managed to find work.. like i said the other day YOUR A WASTE OF PERFECTLY GOOD ORGANS !! and isnt it double standards when you can sit on your scruffy lazy back side year after year sponging money of the government at all bradford taxpayers expenses, but when emma takes her money legitametly its an outrage !! do us all a favour and sell them kidneys of yours so we dont need to listen to your pathetic little drivel anymore.

No, no she didn't "work". And no, her company certainly did not get thousands into work over the years, it was all a scam, and you funded it. What her company did do, was bully thousands of people into accepting insecure low-paid work, often temporary and through agencies. And so Emma Harrison did not take her money legitimately. It is people like her that are bleeding the country dry, not the poorest and most vulnerable in society who are now being marginalized and persecuted by the Tory Toffs, the Right-wing media, and those idiots like you who support them like lambs to the slaughter.

Its people like you bleeding the country dry, work shy lazy tw**s... our taxes pay out £160bn every year to scroungers like you, so Emmas hard earned £8.6m is nothing compared to your thieving lot.. the benefits system was set up as a temporary measure for those most in need at difficult times not to become a lifestyle for pondlife like you. You`d refuse a BLOW JOB on the grounds it might affect your benefits !!!!

I didn't believe that anyone could BE so stupid!

Oh yes, that's right, blame all our economic woes on those at the bottom of the pile, those who are forced to choose between staying warm or having food, of course it's all their fault. DICK-HEAD.

Emma Harrison is only ONE of the scroungers that are bleeding us dry. Another one is Lord Ashcroft, a multi-billionaire who pays no tax. And there are plenty more of them. But don't worry, because we're all in this together, aren't we?

i dont know how you`ve got the balls to say Lord Ashcraft doesnt pay taxes , when did you last pay TAXES , NATIONAL INSURANCE , COUNCIL TAX OR EVEN THE RENT ON YOUR HOME ? as for choosing between heat and food utter boll**ks , you get more than enough benefits to survive on.... you seem to have enough to pay for your internet connection each month , so dont tell us hard working folk you have to choose between food and warmth... LOSER

You are a complete idiot. just how fra do you think 70 poxy quid goes in this day and age? You try it. Go on, I dare you. I bet you couldn't survive the first month. Anyway, you'll find out soon when your crappy so-called "training" company goes bust. You'll be on the dole just like all the rest. Then see where voting Tory got you. Idiot.

You dont survive on only £70pw, thats your pocket money for doing sweet FA. Your rent and council tax is fully paid for by me and all the other hard grafting people in this country. So that £70 is more than adequate to survive on, as i said earlier you can afford the luxury of broadband and a PC , and no doubt you`ve got a 50" plasma with blu ray DVD and the complete sky package. So dont start the, im on the poverty line routine, and its a choice between eating and keeping warm... as for daring me ill live on £70 a week IF YOU GO TO A REAL COUNTRY THATS EXPERIENCING REAL POVERTY, then come back and tell me what its really like to experience poverty. this country is one of the wealthiest in the world and i dont believe for a single moment anyone is actually living in poverty. Yeah people are struggling and in debt but trust me its not poverty !!!! and finally if £70 is so hard to live on GET A FREAKING JOB.

There you go again with your preconceived sweeping generalizations. FYI, no I don't own a TV, as I can't afford the Licence.

If you dislike and resent working as much as you appear to do, then why don't you quit your job and sign-on, seeing as you are so jealous of those on Benefits whom you have erroneously convinced yourself are living in some sort of luxurious dream-world? As I said, you're an idiot. The sort of person totally suited to being a Work Coach (why am I surprised?). What's up, couldn't you find a real job?