Disgust at poppy sellers abused in street

Bethany Holmes with her mother Christine and some of the poppies the teenager was selling

Bethany Holmes with her mother Christine and some of the poppies the teenager was selling

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The Royal British Legion last night condemned the abuse and assaults suffered by poppy sellers in Bradford this year – the first it has ever recorded.

The incidents included: l A 13-year-old female Army Cadet suffering a young thug spitting in her face; l Two Asian girl cadets getting verbal abuse for selling poppies due to the colour of their skins; l Two other sellers being set upon in the city centre; l A gang threatening other selllers for their collecting tins.

Bradford Royal British Legion Poppy Appeal organiser Barbara Allsopp said she deplored the incidents.

She said: “The cadets are trying to help servicemen and women that have not just served in other conflicts but are serving today, and getting killed and maimed for life – these cadets are collecting for them and I think it is downright disgusting.

“They should hang their heads in shame, it is terrible.

“The cadets have never had this sort of problem before. I feel sorry for them, it’s not right.”

Superintendent Owen West, of Bradford South Police, warned such behaviour would not be tolerated by his officers. He said: “Those who work to distribute poppies should not expect to be confronted with violence, intimidation or abuse.

“It will not be tolerated in our city and anyone found to have targeted sellers in this way will be robustly dealt with by both the police and the courts.”

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8:34am Tue 15 Nov 11

angry bradfordian says...

We should be able to see if the ocean of CCTV cameras in the city centre are of any use then?
We should be able to see if the ocean of CCTV cameras in the city centre are of any use then? angry bradfordian
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8:38am Tue 15 Nov 11

Patrick Bateman says...

Copper Owen West said:

'“It will not be tolerated in our city and anyone found to have targeted sellers in this way will be robustly dealt with by both the police and the courts.”

Really? Mm..we'll see about that. The 'anyone found' part of that statement makes it pretty clear that they intend to do knack-all about it.

Didn't someone report a similar incident happening in The Range shop too?

Despicable behaviour. What conclusions can we draw from it?
Copper Owen West said: '“It will not be tolerated in our city and anyone found to have targeted sellers in this way will be robustly dealt with by both the police and the courts.” Really? Mm..we'll see about that. The 'anyone found' part of that statement makes it pretty clear that they intend to do knack-all about it. Didn't someone report a similar incident happening in The Range shop too? Despicable behaviour. What conclusions can we draw from it? Patrick Bateman
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8:38am Tue 15 Nov 11

Joedavid says...

Superintendent Owen West it has happened and you say it will not be tolerated.
Where were your officers when this was going on? The T&A only gives one of the locations and it is our City center why you not have your officers there. This City has CCTV every where is no one watching it and doing something?
Superintendent Owen West it has happened and you say it will not be tolerated. Where were your officers when this was going on? The T&A only gives one of the locations and it is our City center why you not have your officers there. This City has CCTV every where is no one watching it and doing something? Joedavid
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8:48am Tue 15 Nov 11

Flabbermouth says...

Thank god i moved away years ago, just how far has this city sunk and what hope for it is there.
Thank god i moved away years ago, just how far has this city sunk and what hope for it is there. Flabbermouth
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8:54am Tue 15 Nov 11

Joedavid says...

Patrick Bateman wrote:
Copper Owen West said: '“It will not be tolerated in our city and anyone found to have targeted sellers in this way will be robustly dealt with by both the police and the courts.” Really? Mm..we'll see about that. The 'anyone found' part of that statement makes it pretty clear that they intend to do knack-all about it. Didn't someone report a similar incident happening in The Range shop too? Despicable behaviour. What conclusions can we draw from it?
In the Video above the Mum says it was at the Range these terrible things happened to her 13 year daughter.
[quote][p][bold]Patrick Bateman[/bold] wrote: Copper Owen West said: '“It will not be tolerated in our city and anyone found to have targeted sellers in this way will be robustly dealt with by both the police and the courts.” Really? Mm..we'll see about that. The 'anyone found' part of that statement makes it pretty clear that they intend to do knack-all about it. Didn't someone report a similar incident happening in The Range shop too? Despicable behaviour. What conclusions can we draw from it?[/p][/quote]In the Video above the Mum says it was at the Range these terrible things happened to her 13 year daughter. Joedavid
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9:08am Tue 15 Nov 11

Old Peculiar says...

I'm afraid that this typifies the downwards spiral that Bradford has seen over the last few decades. Once a proud and prosperous industrious town ; today vast amounts of the town have become cess pits, where the only people thriving are benefit cheats and drug dealers (£750,000 in cash ???).
I'm afraid that this typifies the downwards spiral that Bradford has seen over the last few decades. Once a proud and prosperous industrious town ; today vast amounts of the town have become cess pits, where the only people thriving are benefit cheats and drug dealers (£750,000 in cash ???). Old Peculiar
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9:22am Tue 15 Nov 11

schroeder says...

Some people I know got smiler abuse from chavs when collecting for the Pakistan floods a few years back.
They went to the T&A and Keighley News but it was never reported.
Some people I know got smiler abuse from chavs when collecting for the Pakistan floods a few years back. They went to the T&A and Keighley News but it was never reported. schroeder
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9:28am Tue 15 Nov 11

JDDixon says...

3 Words: NAME AND SHAME. Their MUST be CCTV of at least one of these incidents. I think the police should release the stills and the T&A should print them on the front page!
3 Words: NAME AND SHAME. Their MUST be CCTV of at least one of these incidents. I think the police should release the stills and the T&A should print them on the front page! JDDixon
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9:38am Tue 15 Nov 11

Thee Voice of Reason says...

schroeder wrote:
Some people I know got smiler abuse from chavs when collecting for the Pakistan floods a few years back. They went to the T&A and Keighley News but it was never reported.
Did you go to the papers with it? They aren't mind readers.
It's a disgrace people have the mentality to abuse people giving up their free time for charity, Bring back the stocks for this pondlife and put rotten fruit and veg to good use.
[quote][p][bold]schroeder[/bold] wrote: Some people I know got smiler abuse from chavs when collecting for the Pakistan floods a few years back. They went to the T&A and Keighley News but it was never reported.[/p][/quote]Did you go to the papers with it? They aren't mind readers. It's a disgrace people have the mentality to abuse people giving up their free time for charity, Bring back the stocks for this pondlife and put rotten fruit and veg to good use. Thee Voice of Reason
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9:44am Tue 15 Nov 11

Thee Voice of Reason says...

JDDixon wrote:
3 Words: NAME AND SHAME. Their MUST be CCTV of at least one of these incidents. I think the police should release the stills and the T&A should print them on the front page!
You would think so, and you have to ask serious questions if there isn't CCTV footage of this happening as we are led to believe we are supposed to be safe in our streets. What is the point of CCTV if at times like this when it is needed, there is no records of it.
[quote][p][bold]JDDixon[/bold] wrote: 3 Words: NAME AND SHAME. Their MUST be CCTV of at least one of these incidents. I think the police should release the stills and the T&A should print them on the front page![/p][/quote]You would think so, and you have to ask serious questions if there isn't CCTV footage of this happening as we are led to believe we are supposed to be safe in our streets. What is the point of CCTV if at times like this when it is needed, there is no records of it. Thee Voice of Reason
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9:44am Tue 15 Nov 11

MeccaBingo1 says...

Absolute disgrace if it were the other way round a Fatwā would have been issued! And it would have made the main news. My friend was actually present at the time and saw a number of TAXI DRIVERS outside SUBWAY shouting abuse at girls (not reported) wonder why! Until people in power get a firm grip on the situation and are not afraid to speak the truth Bradford is only going to go one way and that’s downhill.

Why not view the CCTV to find Reg plates and prosecute?

IMO Bradford is a ticking timebomb and any small event could trigger something much bigger.
Absolute disgrace if it were the other way round a Fatwā would have been issued! And it would have made the main news. My friend was actually present at the time and saw a number of TAXI DRIVERS outside SUBWAY shouting abuse at girls (not reported) wonder why! Until people in power get a firm grip on the situation and are not afraid to speak the truth Bradford is only going to go one way and that’s downhill. Why not view the CCTV to find Reg plates and prosecute? IMO Bradford is a ticking timebomb and any small event could trigger something much bigger. MeccaBingo1
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10:10am Tue 15 Nov 11

Thee Voice of Reason says...

If the blanket of CCTV cameras picked up on this, will the police pass the pictures to the T&A to publish to bring the scum in.
It was good to see them do it when the idiots invaded the pitch and abused the Northampton fans at Valley Parade a few years back, and I have no doubt that doing the same with this would be equally successful.
Shame these people.
If the blanket of CCTV cameras picked up on this, will the police pass the pictures to the T&A to publish to bring the scum in. It was good to see them do it when the idiots invaded the pitch and abused the Northampton fans at Valley Parade a few years back, and I have no doubt that doing the same with this would be equally successful. Shame these people. Thee Voice of Reason
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10:11am Tue 15 Nov 11

Forseti says...

I am sure that Bradford will continue to turn into an Asian city,the Census will surely confirm that when it is published.In 20 years I would predict a mainly Asian Councillors and culture with a few White Enclaves such as Holmewood and Ravenscliffe.
So be it.
The racism of 30 years ago (and to a lesser extent ,now) will be reversed.
I am sure that Bradford will continue to turn into an Asian city,the Census will surely confirm that when it is published.In 20 years I would predict a mainly Asian Councillors and culture with a few White Enclaves such as Holmewood and Ravenscliffe. So be it. The racism of 30 years ago (and to a lesser extent ,now) will be reversed. Forseti
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10:19am Tue 15 Nov 11

anglosaxon says...

can i suggest that next years poppy sellers be senior cadets, ex military members or police officers themselves who man the town centre and also be armed with taser guns then if we have any more behaviour like this from this scum they can be dealt with accordingly, please post for volunteers my name will be on the list.
can i suggest that next years poppy sellers be senior cadets, ex military members or police officers themselves who man the town centre and also be armed with taser guns then if we have any more behaviour like this from this scum they can be dealt with accordingly, please post for volunteers my name will be on the list. anglosaxon
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10:20am Tue 15 Nov 11

Willard says...

I am fed up of reading all these racist comments. I knew that the comments would quickly drop to to this topic. Ok, we are not ahppy with what the city has become, but it is what it is, and mud slinging back and forth isnt going to drag us out of this mes or get outsiders to invest in jobs for the area. And yes I have friends of all faiths and culterual backgrounds and we all want pretty much the same thing, to live in peace, pay our bills, feed our kids and a have a holiday or a break once a year. It woyld be nice to have decent schools and clean hospitals with short waiting lists but the whole UK is in a hole, not just us, its that we tend to feel it harder because we havet got the investment or jobs. Can we all start trying to make a difference and stop these slanging matches, it isnt attractive. Go well
I am fed up of reading all these racist comments. I knew that the comments would quickly drop to to this topic. Ok, we are not ahppy with what the city has become, but it is what it is, and mud slinging back and forth isnt going to drag us out of this mes or get outsiders to invest in jobs for the area. And yes I have friends of all faiths and culterual backgrounds and we all want pretty much the same thing, to live in peace, pay our bills, feed our kids and a have a holiday or a break once a year. It woyld be nice to have decent schools and clean hospitals with short waiting lists but the whole UK is in a hole, not just us, its that we tend to feel it harder because we havet got the investment or jobs. Can we all start trying to make a difference and stop these slanging matches, it isnt attractive. Go well Willard
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10:22am Tue 15 Nov 11

markjoe says...

Forseti wrote:
I am sure that Bradford will continue to turn into an Asian city,the Census will surely confirm that when it is published.In 20 years I would predict a mainly Asian Councillors and culture with a few White Enclaves such as Holmewood and Ravenscliffe.
So be it.
The racism of 30 years ago (and to a lesser extent ,now) will be reversed.
I don't think you've read the article. It was both White and Asian people that were abused. It doesn't state what race or nationality the abuser were.
[quote][p][bold]Forseti[/bold] wrote: I am sure that Bradford will continue to turn into an Asian city,the Census will surely confirm that when it is published.In 20 years I would predict a mainly Asian Councillors and culture with a few White Enclaves such as Holmewood and Ravenscliffe. So be it. The racism of 30 years ago (and to a lesser extent ,now) will be reversed.[/p][/quote]I don't think you've read the article. It was both White and Asian people that were abused. It doesn't state what race or nationality the abuser were. markjoe
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10:28am Tue 15 Nov 11

Thee Voice of Reason says...

markjoe wrote:
Forseti wrote: I am sure that Bradford will continue to turn into an Asian city,the Census will surely confirm that when it is published.In 20 years I would predict a mainly Asian Councillors and culture with a few White Enclaves such as Holmewood and Ravenscliffe. So be it. The racism of 30 years ago (and to a lesser extent ,now) will be reversed.
I don't think you've read the article. It was both White and Asian people that were abused. It doesn't state what race or nationality the abuser were.
I think the ball is in the court of the police now, they must have CCTV footage of this, they should pass the photostills to the T&A to publish and bring these scum in. I can't see why they can't do this, unless the CCTV isn't turned on which would be a disgrace and give zero confidence to the safety of those who go into Bradford.
[quote][p][bold]markjoe[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Forseti[/bold] wrote: I am sure that Bradford will continue to turn into an Asian city,the Census will surely confirm that when it is published.In 20 years I would predict a mainly Asian Councillors and culture with a few White Enclaves such as Holmewood and Ravenscliffe. So be it. The racism of 30 years ago (and to a lesser extent ,now) will be reversed.[/p][/quote]I don't think you've read the article. It was both White and Asian people that were abused. It doesn't state what race or nationality the abuser were.[/p][/quote]I think the ball is in the court of the police now, they must have CCTV footage of this, they should pass the photostills to the T&A to publish and bring these scum in. I can't see why they can't do this, unless the CCTV isn't turned on which would be a disgrace and give zero confidence to the safety of those who go into Bradford. Thee Voice of Reason
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10:29am Tue 15 Nov 11

J B PRIESTLEY says...

Unfortunately this does not surprise me! These people have no affiliation or connection with the war dead, past or present so find it threatening to be confronted with something they feel is only ‘BRITISH’ until we can sort the problem of ‘IDENTITY’, this kind of disrespectful behaviour will continue to increase.
Unfortunately this does not surprise me! These people have no affiliation or connection with the war dead, past or present so find it threatening to be confronted with something they feel is only ‘BRITISH’ until we can sort the problem of ‘IDENTITY’, this kind of disrespectful behaviour will continue to increase. J B PRIESTLEY
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10:31am Tue 15 Nov 11

Idler60 says...

Pity Poor Bradford
Pity Poor Bradford Idler60
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10:33am Tue 15 Nov 11

stiflers mom says...

we really do have some vile scumbags living in this city how anybody could abuse poppy sellers is beyond me,i am sure our police service whoops sorry please service will leave no stone unturned when investigating any of these incidents !!!
we really do have some vile scumbags living in this city how anybody could abuse poppy sellers is beyond me,i am sure our police service whoops sorry please service will leave no stone unturned when investigating any of these incidents !!! stiflers mom
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10:44am Tue 15 Nov 11

schroeder says...

Thee Voice of Reason wrote:
schroeder wrote: Some people I know got smiler abuse from chavs when collecting for the Pakistan floods a few years back. They went to the T&A and Keighley News but it was never reported.
Did you go to the papers with it? They aren't mind readers. It's a disgrace people have the mentality to abuse people giving up their free time for charity, Bring back the stocks for this pondlife and put rotten fruit and veg to good use.
I said they went to the T&A and Keighley News. But they didn't print anything about it.
[quote][p][bold]Thee Voice of Reason[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]schroeder[/bold] wrote: Some people I know got smiler abuse from chavs when collecting for the Pakistan floods a few years back. They went to the T&A and Keighley News but it was never reported.[/p][/quote]Did you go to the papers with it? They aren't mind readers. It's a disgrace people have the mentality to abuse people giving up their free time for charity, Bring back the stocks for this pondlife and put rotten fruit and veg to good use.[/p][/quote]I said they went to the T&A and Keighley News. But they didn't print anything about it. schroeder
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10:50am Tue 15 Nov 11

Old Dave says...

Is the answer to this bringing back national service for all!!!
if everybody did two years between the ages of 16 and 25 then many more would appreciate the sacrifices that service men and women, and their families make.
Dont really see how this is a race debate, its a socialogical one based on the fact that there are far too many disrespectful, law ignoring people living in Bradford, and our country in general, who prosper illegally, whilst those honest, hardworking ones among the population struggle to make ends meet in an honest way. benefit fraud and the feeling that this country owes everybody a living is at the heart of it. Just like good people are seen in all the demographic groups in our city, so is the bad. It is not a race issue! we live in a society now where many who consider themselves "working class" dont work!
Is the answer to this bringing back national service for all!!! if everybody did two years between the ages of 16 and 25 then many more would appreciate the sacrifices that service men and women, and their families make. Dont really see how this is a race debate, its a socialogical one based on the fact that there are far too many disrespectful, law ignoring people living in Bradford, and our country in general, who prosper illegally, whilst those honest, hardworking ones among the population struggle to make ends meet in an honest way. benefit fraud and the feeling that this country owes everybody a living is at the heart of it. Just like good people are seen in all the demographic groups in our city, so is the bad. It is not a race issue! we live in a society now where many who consider themselves "working class" dont work! Old Dave
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10:54am Tue 15 Nov 11

bluecorner100 says...

Old Dave wrote:
Is the answer to this bringing back national service for all!!! if everybody did two years between the ages of 16 and 25 then many more would appreciate the sacrifices that service men and women, and their families make. Dont really see how this is a race debate, its a socialogical one based on the fact that there are far too many disrespectful, law ignoring people living in Bradford, and our country in general, who prosper illegally, whilst those honest, hardworking ones among the population struggle to make ends meet in an honest way. benefit fraud and the feeling that this country owes everybody a living is at the heart of it. Just like good people are seen in all the demographic groups in our city, so is the bad. It is not a race issue! we live in a society now where many who consider themselves "working class" dont work!
excellent post sir! Unlike the others which have been "opportunistic" at best
[quote][p][bold]Old Dave[/bold] wrote: Is the answer to this bringing back national service for all!!! if everybody did two years between the ages of 16 and 25 then many more would appreciate the sacrifices that service men and women, and their families make. Dont really see how this is a race debate, its a socialogical one based on the fact that there are far too many disrespectful, law ignoring people living in Bradford, and our country in general, who prosper illegally, whilst those honest, hardworking ones among the population struggle to make ends meet in an honest way. benefit fraud and the feeling that this country owes everybody a living is at the heart of it. Just like good people are seen in all the demographic groups in our city, so is the bad. It is not a race issue! we live in a society now where many who consider themselves "working class" dont work![/p][/quote]excellent post sir! Unlike the others which have been "opportunistic" at best bluecorner100
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10:55am Tue 15 Nov 11

Prisoner Cell Block A says...

I like the idea of serving servicemen being armed with tasers. Anyone giving them abuse would get a nice shock, both from the taser and the fist n boot of our countries finest. It doesn't matter the creed or colour of the perpetrators, they are scum and should be dealt with as scum. No rights, no defence, no trial, a good kicking and humiliation to boot.

Sickening!
I like the idea of serving servicemen being armed with tasers. Anyone giving them abuse would get a nice shock, both from the taser and the fist n boot of our countries finest. It doesn't matter the creed or colour of the perpetrators, they are scum and should be dealt with as scum. No rights, no defence, no trial, a good kicking and humiliation to boot. Sickening! Prisoner Cell Block A
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10:57am Tue 15 Nov 11

Tinybantam says...

Old Dave wrote:
Is the answer to this bringing back national service for all!!!
if everybody did two years between the ages of 16 and 25 then many more would appreciate the sacrifices that service men and women, and their families make.
Dont really see how this is a race debate, its a socialogical one based on the fact that there are far too many disrespectful, law ignoring people living in Bradford, and our country in general, who prosper illegally, whilst those honest, hardworking ones among the population struggle to make ends meet in an honest way. benefit fraud and the feeling that this country owes everybody a living is at the heart of it. Just like good people are seen in all the demographic groups in our city, so is the bad. It is not a race issue! we live in a society now where many who consider themselves "working class" dont work!
Well said Old Dave....spot on. However no need to worry as the new Park At the Heart, with its glorious fountains will be open soon, well soonish and then all Bradford's problems will be over. Hurrah!!!!!!!
[quote][p][bold]Old Dave[/bold] wrote: Is the answer to this bringing back national service for all!!! if everybody did two years between the ages of 16 and 25 then many more would appreciate the sacrifices that service men and women, and their families make. Dont really see how this is a race debate, its a socialogical one based on the fact that there are far too many disrespectful, law ignoring people living in Bradford, and our country in general, who prosper illegally, whilst those honest, hardworking ones among the population struggle to make ends meet in an honest way. benefit fraud and the feeling that this country owes everybody a living is at the heart of it. Just like good people are seen in all the demographic groups in our city, so is the bad. It is not a race issue! we live in a society now where many who consider themselves "working class" dont work![/p][/quote]Well said Old Dave....spot on. However no need to worry as the new Park At the Heart, with its glorious fountains will be open soon, well soonish and then all Bradford's problems will be over. Hurrah!!!!!!! Tinybantam
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11:04am Tue 15 Nov 11

Clowny says...

angry bradfordian wrote:
We should be able to see if the ocean of CCTV cameras in the city centre are of any use then?
The CCTV is not monitored, there’s one central point for all the cameras in Bradford and it’s old tech. You could be stabbed in front of a city centre CCTV and no one would notice.
.
This shows why Bradford centre is failing, the police are not patrolling on foot with enough frequency, even the new city hall police office is rarely open. The CCTV needs updating and the police need bringing back into the centre from Nelson Street.
[quote][p][bold]angry bradfordian[/bold] wrote: We should be able to see if the ocean of CCTV cameras in the city centre are of any use then?[/p][/quote]The CCTV is not monitored, there’s one central point for all the cameras in Bradford and it’s old tech. You could be stabbed in front of a city centre CCTV and no one would notice. . This shows why Bradford centre is failing, the police are not patrolling on foot with enough frequency, even the new city hall police office is rarely open. The CCTV needs updating and the police need bringing back into the centre from Nelson Street. Clowny
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11:05am Tue 15 Nov 11

Willard says...

Old Dave wrote:
Is the answer to this bringing back national service for all!!!
if everybody did two years between the ages of 16 and 25 then many more would appreciate the sacrifices that service men and women, and their families make.
Dont really see how this is a race debate, its a socialogical one based on the fact that there are far too many disrespectful, law ignoring people living in Bradford, and our country in general, who prosper illegally, whilst those honest, hardworking ones among the population struggle to make ends meet in an honest way. benefit fraud and the feeling that this country owes everybody a living is at the heart of it. Just like good people are seen in all the demographic groups in our city, so is the bad. It is not a race issue! we live in a society now where many who consider themselves "working class" dont work!
Second thumbs up from me. But the forces don't want it, the country possibly cant afford it and the n'er do wells would work out a way of getting around it. I suspect that if they had some sort of criminal record, under employment law and concerns over protecting the other concsripts that they would be exempted. Dont get me wrong, I think that the sentiments that you have expressed are genuine and vallied but we may have already missed this boat. Having said that, It couldnt hram to give it a go, if they could sort out all the legal stuff.
[quote][p][bold]Old Dave[/bold] wrote: Is the answer to this bringing back national service for all!!! if everybody did two years between the ages of 16 and 25 then many more would appreciate the sacrifices that service men and women, and their families make. Dont really see how this is a race debate, its a socialogical one based on the fact that there are far too many disrespectful, law ignoring people living in Bradford, and our country in general, who prosper illegally, whilst those honest, hardworking ones among the population struggle to make ends meet in an honest way. benefit fraud and the feeling that this country owes everybody a living is at the heart of it. Just like good people are seen in all the demographic groups in our city, so is the bad. It is not a race issue! we live in a society now where many who consider themselves "working class" dont work![/p][/quote]Second thumbs up from me. But the forces don't want it, the country possibly cant afford it and the n'er do wells would work out a way of getting around it. I suspect that if they had some sort of criminal record, under employment law and concerns over protecting the other concsripts that they would be exempted. Dont get me wrong, I think that the sentiments that you have expressed are genuine and vallied but we may have already missed this boat. Having said that, It couldnt hram to give it a go, if they could sort out all the legal stuff. Willard
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11:09am Tue 15 Nov 11

markjoe says...

bluecorner100 wrote:
Old Dave wrote:
Is the answer to this bringing back national service for all!!! if everybody did two years between the ages of 16 and 25 then many more would appreciate the sacrifices that service men and women, and their families make. Dont really see how this is a race debate, its a socialogical one based on the fact that there are far too many disrespectful, law ignoring people living in Bradford, and our country in general, who prosper illegally, whilst those honest, hardworking ones among the population struggle to make ends meet in an honest way. benefit fraud and the feeling that this country owes everybody a living is at the heart of it. Just like good people are seen in all the demographic groups in our city, so is the bad. It is not a race issue! we live in a society now where many who consider themselves "working class" dont work!
excellent post sir! Unlike the others which have been "opportunistic" at best
I'll second that. Could also solve the youth unemployment for a while. I read a good article some time ago when the cost cutting issue came about. The article said that rather then cutting back the armed forces in this hard economic time we should actually be expand it which would instil a sense of purpose, respect and give an opportunity to learn a skill, as well other things for those signing up. I thought that this was a very insightful article.
[quote][p][bold]bluecorner100[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Old Dave[/bold] wrote: Is the answer to this bringing back national service for all!!! if everybody did two years between the ages of 16 and 25 then many more would appreciate the sacrifices that service men and women, and their families make. Dont really see how this is a race debate, its a socialogical one based on the fact that there are far too many disrespectful, law ignoring people living in Bradford, and our country in general, who prosper illegally, whilst those honest, hardworking ones among the population struggle to make ends meet in an honest way. benefit fraud and the feeling that this country owes everybody a living is at the heart of it. Just like good people are seen in all the demographic groups in our city, so is the bad. It is not a race issue! we live in a society now where many who consider themselves "working class" dont work![/p][/quote]excellent post sir! Unlike the others which have been "opportunistic" at best[/p][/quote]I'll second that. Could also solve the youth unemployment for a while. I read a good article some time ago when the cost cutting issue came about. The article said that rather then cutting back the armed forces in this hard economic time we should actually be expand it which would instil a sense of purpose, respect and give an opportunity to learn a skill, as well other things for those signing up. I thought that this was a very insightful article. markjoe
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11:09am Tue 15 Nov 11

Albion. says...

I hope that those who sell poppies will still feel able to continue doing so but I think it is just a matter of time before it stops, At least on the streets anyway. People doing the right thing in any respect are not favoured these days, In my view these acts should be considered treasonable and the offenders treated in an appropriate manner.
The report doesn't specify the descriptions of ALL the offenders but the gradual and inevitable move towards an Asian/Islamic city of Bradford will be the likely main cause of on street demonstrations of patriotism and remembrance eventually ceasing.
I hope that those who sell poppies will still feel able to continue doing so but I think it is just a matter of time before it stops, At least on the streets anyway. People doing the right thing in any respect are not favoured these days, In my view these acts should be considered treasonable and the offenders treated in an appropriate manner. The report doesn't specify the descriptions of ALL the offenders but the gradual and inevitable move towards an Asian/Islamic city of Bradford will be the likely main cause of on street demonstrations of patriotism and remembrance eventually ceasing. Albion.
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11:15am Tue 15 Nov 11

bantamcougar says...

I fear this will be the first and last time we hear anything related to this story, as usual sod all will happen, anybody found (and thats the key) will be robustly dealt with.....yeah right !!
I fear this will be the first and last time we hear anything related to this story, as usual sod all will happen, anybody found (and thats the key) will be robustly dealt with.....yeah right !! bantamcougar
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11:31am Tue 15 Nov 11

yorkshiredude says...

I'm sure most people appreciate the sacrifices that service men and women, and their families made for us all without taking National Service. And I'm sure National Service wouldn't stop everyone being ****s either.

I saw loads of poppy sellers out in Bradford last week, didn't sense anything bad would happen. I saw part of the Rememberance Parade in Bradford too and there was nothing wrong in the atmosphere.

The incidents are awful, but there's no need for the negative obsession with race that seems to pervade every single article on here. Incidents like this should be dealt with properly, to show that the city will not take this. People burn poppies, or use armistice day as a reason to cause public disorder offences outside a pub - but society doesn't accept this. BE POSITIVE PEOPLE!
I'm sure most people appreciate the sacrifices that service men and women, and their families made for us all without taking National Service. And I'm sure National Service wouldn't stop everyone being ****s either. I saw loads of poppy sellers out in Bradford last week, didn't sense anything bad would happen. I saw part of the Rememberance Parade in Bradford too and there was nothing wrong in the atmosphere. The incidents are awful, but there's no need for the negative obsession with race that seems to pervade every single article on here. Incidents like this should be dealt with properly, to show that the city will not take this. People burn poppies, or use armistice day as a reason to cause public disorder offences outside a pub - but society doesn't accept this. BE POSITIVE PEOPLE! yorkshiredude
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11:35am Tue 15 Nov 11

Clowny says...

The Rememberance Parade was heavily policed so nothing would happen.
The Rememberance Parade was heavily policed so nothing would happen. Clowny
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11:44am Tue 15 Nov 11

rugger-tyke says...

angry bradfordian wrote:
We should be able to see if the ocean of CCTV cameras in the city centre are of any use then?
Indeed, why did the Police not intervene ?? . .
[quote][p][bold]angry bradfordian[/bold] wrote: We should be able to see if the ocean of CCTV cameras in the city centre are of any use then?[/p][/quote]Indeed, why did the Police not intervene ?? . . rugger-tyke
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11:50am Tue 15 Nov 11

Clowny says...

rugger-tyke wrote:
angry bradfordian wrote:
We should be able to see if the ocean of CCTV cameras in the city centre are of any use then?
Indeed, why did the Police not intervene ?? . .
Only 1/3rd of the cameras in Bradford are displayed at any one time (meaning 2/3rds are not even being watched) of that 1/3rd it’s down to the operator simply by chance to spot an incident on any one of about 50 monitors. None of the cameras are auto rotated to capture the entire scene and they’re left for hours or days on end at default angles and zooms. To cut costs often there is a single CCTV covering a 360% space whilst only monitoring less than 90% of that. The odds of being seen whilst being assaulted or worse are 1000’s to 1.
[quote][p][bold]rugger-tyke[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]angry bradfordian[/bold] wrote: We should be able to see if the ocean of CCTV cameras in the city centre are of any use then?[/p][/quote]Indeed, why did the Police not intervene ?? . .[/p][/quote]Only 1/3rd of the cameras in Bradford are displayed at any one time (meaning 2/3rds are not even being watched) of that 1/3rd it’s down to the operator simply by chance to spot an incident on any one of about 50 monitors. None of the cameras are auto rotated to capture the entire scene and they’re left for hours or days on end at default angles and zooms. To cut costs often there is a single CCTV covering a 360% space whilst only monitoring less than 90% of that. The odds of being seen whilst being assaulted or worse are 1000’s to 1. Clowny
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12:05pm Tue 15 Nov 11

Avro says...

Bradford's multiculturalism success at its best!
Bradford's multiculturalism success at its best! Avro
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12:08pm Tue 15 Nov 11

yangy8 says...

markjoe wrote:
Forseti wrote:
I am sure that Bradford will continue to turn into an Asian city,the Census will surely confirm that when it is published.In 20 years I would predict a mainly Asian Councillors and culture with a few White Enclaves such as Holmewood and Ravenscliffe.
So be it.
The racism of 30 years ago (and to a lesser extent ,now) will be reversed.
I don't think you've read the article. It was both White and Asian people that were abused. It doesn't state what race or nationality the abuser were.
it does not state race of abusers and no cctv pics because they don't want you to know who it is because it would become racial and t&a don't want to upset their asian community.
they mention the 2 asian girls to make it look like everyone affected but that is not the true picture of the abusers.
already been stated taxi drivers involved.
white taxi drivers? no chance!
[quote][p][bold]markjoe[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Forseti[/bold] wrote: I am sure that Bradford will continue to turn into an Asian city,the Census will surely confirm that when it is published.In 20 years I would predict a mainly Asian Councillors and culture with a few White Enclaves such as Holmewood and Ravenscliffe. So be it. The racism of 30 years ago (and to a lesser extent ,now) will be reversed.[/p][/quote]I don't think you've read the article. It was both White and Asian people that were abused. It doesn't state what race or nationality the abuser were.[/p][/quote]it does not state race of abusers and no cctv pics because they don't want you to know who it is because it would become racial and t&a don't want to upset their asian community. they mention the 2 asian girls to make it look like everyone affected but that is not the true picture of the abusers. already been stated taxi drivers involved. white taxi drivers? no chance! yangy8
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12:14pm Tue 15 Nov 11

Avro says...

Bradford's multiculturalism success at its best!
Bradford's multiculturalism success at its best! Avro
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12:16pm Tue 15 Nov 11

Chillum Bantam says...

We all know without any doubt, that absolutely nothing shall be done, what a nothing place we now live in. so sorry I’m going to be sick now.
We all know without any doubt, that absolutely nothing shall be done, what a nothing place we now live in. so sorry I’m going to be sick now. Chillum Bantam
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12:17pm Tue 15 Nov 11

Forseti says...

P people
O of
P peace
P perhaps
Y you?
P people O of P peace P perhaps Y you? Forseti
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12:23pm Tue 15 Nov 11

Oakenshaw white says...

I brought this subject up on Sunday night in the comments section of another story and was accused by certain people of lying and that this dispicable event never happened and was also being accused of been a member of right wing groups because of my log in name (Leeds United fan that's what it refers to), i don't
see any of the people that had a go on Sunday on here now to apologise to me or even admitting they were wrong their silence is deafening.
I brought this subject up on Sunday night in the comments section of another story and was accused by certain people of lying and that this dispicable event never happened and was also being accused of been a member of right wing groups because of my log in name (Leeds United fan that's what it refers to), i don't see any of the people that had a go on Sunday on here now to apologise to me or even admitting they were wrong their silence is deafening. Oakenshaw white
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12:23pm Tue 15 Nov 11

Clowny says...

Chillum Bantam wrote:
We all know without any doubt, that absolutely nothing shall be done, what a nothing place we now live in. so sorry I’m going to be sick now.
That's true also. History in Bradford has shown us, where an assault is caught on CCTV having a potentially racial motivation the CCTV isn't released. For example the city supporter beaten up on Westgate a number of years since.
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The lad beaten up at the Odeon recently by the gang of twelve, that event was likely, if only in part, caught on CCTV.
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The authorities wouldn't release CCTV which would have a negative press impact on Bradford even if it served to help seal one case.
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Still even if the authorities did care more about individual incidents than Bradford's image, they'd need a better CCTV system and police manpower bringing back into the centre to capture most such incident.
[quote][p][bold]Chillum Bantam[/bold] wrote: We all know without any doubt, that absolutely nothing shall be done, what a nothing place we now live in. so sorry I’m going to be sick now.[/p][/quote]That's true also. History in Bradford has shown us, where an assault is caught on CCTV having a potentially racial motivation the CCTV isn't released. For example the city supporter beaten up on Westgate a number of years since. . The lad beaten up at the Odeon recently by the gang of twelve, that event was likely, if only in part, caught on CCTV. . The authorities wouldn't release CCTV which would have a negative press impact on Bradford even if it served to help seal one case. . Still even if the authorities did care more about individual incidents than Bradford's image, they'd need a better CCTV system and police manpower bringing back into the centre to capture most such incident. Clowny
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12:43pm Tue 15 Nov 11

SouthEastAsianBradfordian says...

yangy8 wrote:
markjoe wrote:
Forseti wrote:
I am sure that Bradford will continue to turn into an Asian city,the Census will surely confirm that when it is published.In 20 years I would predict a mainly Asian Councillors and culture with a few White Enclaves such as Holmewood and Ravenscliffe.
So be it.
The racism of 30 years ago (and to a lesser extent ,now) will be reversed.
I don't think you've read the article. It was both White and Asian people that were abused. It doesn't state what race or nationality the abuser were.
it does not state race of abusers and no cctv pics because they don't want you to know who it is because it would become racial and t&a don't want to upset their asian community.
they mention the 2 asian girls to make it look like everyone affected but that is not the true picture of the abusers.
already been stated taxi drivers involved.
white taxi drivers? no chance!
The great tragedy is that the history of the shared hardship and achievements of British and Muslim comrades in the Second world War, and many other conflicts before 1939 has been overlooked, paradoxically by young British Muslims as well as the majority of the population. Perhaps if more was known about the contribution of so many Muslim soldiers of the British Indian army, it would help to restore a sense of pride, cement the social bonds of different communities in British society, and turn the idea of shared heritage into a meaningful weapon against prejudice
[quote][p][bold]yangy8[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]markjoe[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Forseti[/bold] wrote: I am sure that Bradford will continue to turn into an Asian city,the Census will surely confirm that when it is published.In 20 years I would predict a mainly Asian Councillors and culture with a few White Enclaves such as Holmewood and Ravenscliffe. So be it. The racism of 30 years ago (and to a lesser extent ,now) will be reversed.[/p][/quote]I don't think you've read the article. It was both White and Asian people that were abused. It doesn't state what race or nationality the abuser were.[/p][/quote]it does not state race of abusers and no cctv pics because they don't want you to know who it is because it would become racial and t&a don't want to upset their asian community. they mention the 2 asian girls to make it look like everyone affected but that is not the true picture of the abusers. already been stated taxi drivers involved. white taxi drivers? no chance![/p][/quote]The great tragedy is that the history of the shared hardship and achievements of British and Muslim comrades in the Second world War, and many other conflicts before 1939 has been overlooked, paradoxically by young British Muslims as well as the majority of the population. Perhaps if more was known about the contribution of so many Muslim soldiers of the British Indian army, it would help to restore a sense of pride, cement the social bonds of different communities in British society, and turn the idea of shared heritage into a meaningful weapon against prejudice SouthEastAsianBradfordian
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12:43pm Tue 15 Nov 11

SouthEastAsianBradfordian says...

yangy8 wrote:
markjoe wrote:
Forseti wrote:
I am sure that Bradford will continue to turn into an Asian city,the Census will surely confirm that when it is published.In 20 years I would predict a mainly Asian Councillors and culture with a few White Enclaves such as Holmewood and Ravenscliffe.
So be it.
The racism of 30 years ago (and to a lesser extent ,now) will be reversed.
I don't think you've read the article. It was both White and Asian people that were abused. It doesn't state what race or nationality the abuser were.
it does not state race of abusers and no cctv pics because they don't want you to know who it is because it would become racial and t&a don't want to upset their asian community.
they mention the 2 asian girls to make it look like everyone affected but that is not the true picture of the abusers.
already been stated taxi drivers involved.
white taxi drivers? no chance!
The great tragedy is that the history of the shared hardship and achievements of British and Muslim comrades in the Second world War, and many other conflicts before 1939 has been overlooked, paradoxically by young British Muslims as well as the majority of the population. Perhaps if more was known about the contribution of so many Muslim soldiers of the British Indian army, it would help to restore a sense of pride, cement the social bonds of different communities in British society, and turn the idea of shared heritage into a meaningful weapon against prejudice
[quote][p][bold]yangy8[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]markjoe[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Forseti[/bold] wrote: I am sure that Bradford will continue to turn into an Asian city,the Census will surely confirm that when it is published.In 20 years I would predict a mainly Asian Councillors and culture with a few White Enclaves such as Holmewood and Ravenscliffe. So be it. The racism of 30 years ago (and to a lesser extent ,now) will be reversed.[/p][/quote]I don't think you've read the article. It was both White and Asian people that were abused. It doesn't state what race or nationality the abuser were.[/p][/quote]it does not state race of abusers and no cctv pics because they don't want you to know who it is because it would become racial and t&a don't want to upset their asian community. they mention the 2 asian girls to make it look like everyone affected but that is not the true picture of the abusers. already been stated taxi drivers involved. white taxi drivers? no chance![/p][/quote]The great tragedy is that the history of the shared hardship and achievements of British and Muslim comrades in the Second world War, and many other conflicts before 1939 has been overlooked, paradoxically by young British Muslims as well as the majority of the population. Perhaps if more was known about the contribution of so many Muslim soldiers of the British Indian army, it would help to restore a sense of pride, cement the social bonds of different communities in British society, and turn the idea of shared heritage into a meaningful weapon against prejudice SouthEastAsianBradfordian
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12:43pm Tue 15 Nov 11

SouthEastAsianBradfordian says...

The great tragedy is that the history of the shared hardship and achievements of British and Muslim comrades in the Second world War, and many other conflicts before 1939 has been overlooked, paradoxically by young British Muslims as well as the majority of the population. Perhaps if more was known about the contribution of so many Muslim soldiers of the British Indian army, it would help to restore a sense of pride, cement the social bonds of different communities in British society, and turn the idea of shared heritage into a meaningful weapon against prejudice
The great tragedy is that the history of the shared hardship and achievements of British and Muslim comrades in the Second world War, and many other conflicts before 1939 has been overlooked, paradoxically by young British Muslims as well as the majority of the population. Perhaps if more was known about the contribution of so many Muslim soldiers of the British Indian army, it would help to restore a sense of pride, cement the social bonds of different communities in British society, and turn the idea of shared heritage into a meaningful weapon against prejudice SouthEastAsianBradfordian
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12:44pm Tue 15 Nov 11

richmondbull says...

Oakenshaw white wrote:
I brought this subject up on Sunday night in the comments section of another story and was accused by certain people of lying and that this dispicable event never happened and was also being accused of been a member of right wing groups because of my log in name (Leeds United fan that's what it refers to), i don't see any of the people that had a go on Sunday on here now to apologise to me or even admitting they were wrong their silence is deafening.
They wont OW,If they did they would have to admit there is a problem.

Its much easier for certain inbreds to blame this on the EDL/BNP maybe even Isreal......

Anything slightly British in Bradford doesn't stand a chance.

it's very sad.
[quote][p][bold]Oakenshaw white[/bold] wrote: I brought this subject up on Sunday night in the comments section of another story and was accused by certain people of lying and that this dispicable event never happened and was also being accused of been a member of right wing groups because of my log in name (Leeds United fan that's what it refers to), i don't see any of the people that had a go on Sunday on here now to apologise to me or even admitting they were wrong their silence is deafening.[/p][/quote]They wont OW,If they did they would have to admit there is a problem. Its much easier for certain inbreds to blame this on the EDL/BNP maybe even Isreal...... Anything slightly British in Bradford doesn't stand a chance. it's very sad. richmondbull
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12:44pm Tue 15 Nov 11

Chillum Bantam says...

Nothing to do with Bradford's multiculturalism, that’s just misleading and too devise an issue, it’s much more simple then that, however! Have to be quite about it, not PC to mention.
Bradford's multiculturalism is one of its strengths, and it’s that that well pull Bradford up from where it is at the moment. Together we are much stronger than the ones committing these kinds of easy target offences, or any other crime.
Nothing to do with Bradford's multiculturalism, that’s just misleading and too devise an issue, it’s much more simple then that, however! Have to be quite about it, not PC to mention. Bradford's multiculturalism is one of its strengths, and it’s that that well pull Bradford up from where it is at the moment. Together we are much stronger than the ones committing these kinds of easy target offences, or any other crime. Chillum Bantam
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1:00pm Tue 15 Nov 11

parader no1 says...

Let the marines and paras sell the poppies next year. the only weapons they need are on the end of their arms.
Let the marines and paras sell the poppies next year. the only weapons they need are on the end of their arms. parader no1
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1:08pm Tue 15 Nov 11

PTN says...

Having read many of the posts it is clear that there are a number of posters that are clearly racist because they have degenerated this conversation in to a race issue when in fact it has nothing to do with race. I was in the city centre at the weekend and there were people of all races selling poppies.
There was one post which i am unable to find now about someones friend witnessing some cadets being abused by Asian taxi drivers. SHAME ON YOU. You did nothing and stood by , thats what the real issue is. We blame the Police , the Council and any other race for our problems yet we are spineless and stand by and watch 2 youngsters be abused. If this did indeed happen then the very least you could have done is call the police or take down the registration number but NO , what you would rather do is watch and then moan and complain when nothing is done about it.
Two words "SPINELESS & gUTLESS" spring to mind.
Having read many of the posts it is clear that there are a number of posters that are clearly racist because they have degenerated this conversation in to a race issue when in fact it has nothing to do with race. I was in the city centre at the weekend and there were people of all races selling poppies. There was one post which i am unable to find now about someones friend witnessing some cadets being abused by Asian taxi drivers. SHAME ON YOU. You did nothing and stood by , thats what the real issue is. We blame the Police , the Council and any other race for our problems yet we are spineless and stand by and watch 2 youngsters be abused. If this did indeed happen then the very least you could have done is call the police or take down the registration number but NO , what you would rather do is watch and then moan and complain when nothing is done about it. Two words "SPINELESS & gUTLESS" spring to mind. PTN
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1:14pm Tue 15 Nov 11

Victor Clayton says...

Unfortunately it is a problem with race. The Asian girls were singled out because they were Asian, therefore they were traitors. Why is it when you hear if spitting it involves Pakistani males? How often do you hear of a white/ European spitting on someone in the street? Yet I hear stories about Pakistani youths doing it all the time.
I think the Europeans in this City have been tremendously tolerant, but this has been abused by the Pakistani community. On the program about grooming the other night they asked a Pakistani community leader why they targeted white girls. The answer - because there would be no retribution. It is very sad that neither the police nor the politicians have the guts to do anything to protect us. In the same program the lady who presented the program asked the head of a task force if he thought it was a problem within the Pakistani community (a fact that was admitted by some of the Pakistani community leader - to their credit). He started stuttering and nearly had an accident. It was sickening. As an earlier poster said we all want to live in peace to get on with our lives, but surely a basis on which to do it must be that we have the same laws for everyone?
Unfortunately it is a problem with race. The Asian girls were singled out because they were Asian, therefore they were traitors. Why is it when you hear if spitting it involves Pakistani males? How often do you hear of a white/ European spitting on someone in the street? Yet I hear stories about Pakistani youths doing it all the time. I think the Europeans in this City have been tremendously tolerant, but this has been abused by the Pakistani community. On the program about grooming the other night they asked a Pakistani community leader why they targeted white girls. The answer - because there would be no retribution. It is very sad that neither the police nor the politicians have the guts to do anything to protect us. In the same program the lady who presented the program asked the head of a task force if he thought it was a problem within the Pakistani community (a fact that was admitted by some of the Pakistani community leader - to their credit). He started stuttering and nearly had an accident. It was sickening. As an earlier poster said we all want to live in peace to get on with our lives, but surely a basis on which to do it must be that we have the same laws for everyone? Victor Clayton
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2:08pm Tue 15 Nov 11

basil fawlty says...

It is hard to understand the minds of these idiots who clearly live in some sort fantasy world filled with equal measures of hatred and envy for all that is good about traditional English values. Behaviour such as this should not be tolerated and it is not acceptable for onlookers to stand back and just watch these things happen.
These incidents may just be isolated but they have brought more shame to our once great city. The yobs should be identified and dealt with or this
city really is doomed.
It is hard to understand the minds of these idiots who clearly live in some sort fantasy world filled with equal measures of hatred and envy for all that is good about traditional English values. Behaviour such as this should not be tolerated and it is not acceptable for onlookers to stand back and just watch these things happen. These incidents may just be isolated but they have brought more shame to our once great city. The yobs should be identified and dealt with or this city really is doomed. basil fawlty
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2:14pm Tue 15 Nov 11

Apollo says...

Bradford City Centre should be abandoned by whites - we have to recognise there is now nothing there for us but abuse by scum.

It has certainly been abandoned as a no-go area by the utterly useless Police.

Let the scum, youth of the community have it and good riddance to both.
Bradford City Centre should be abandoned by whites - we have to recognise there is now nothing there for us but abuse by scum. It has certainly been abandoned as a no-go area by the utterly useless Police. Let the scum, youth of the community have it and good riddance to both. Apollo
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2:14pm Tue 15 Nov 11

Apollo says...

Bradford City Centre should be abandoned by whites - we have to recognise there is now nothing there for us but abuse by scum.

It has certainly been abandoned as a no-go area by the utterly useless Police.

Let the scum, youth of the community have it and good riddance to both.
Bradford City Centre should be abandoned by whites - we have to recognise there is now nothing there for us but abuse by scum. It has certainly been abandoned as a no-go area by the utterly useless Police. Let the scum, youth of the community have it and good riddance to both. Apollo
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2:54pm Tue 15 Nov 11

yorkshiredude says...

Apollo wrote:
Bradford City Centre should be abandoned by whites - we have to recognise there is now nothing there for us but abuse by scum. It has certainly been abandoned as a no-go area by the utterly useless Police. Let the scum, youth of the community have it and good riddance to both.
What about white youths or white scum? Where do they fit in with your abandonment policy? What about the Polish community? Most of the alckys on the street are white too.

Most people shopping in the city centre would appear to be white as well, maybe they're just masochists who like 'abuse by scum'.
[quote][p][bold]Apollo[/bold] wrote: Bradford City Centre should be abandoned by whites - we have to recognise there is now nothing there for us but abuse by scum. It has certainly been abandoned as a no-go area by the utterly useless Police. Let the scum, youth of the community have it and good riddance to both.[/p][/quote]What about white youths or white scum? Where do they fit in with your abandonment policy? What about the Polish community? Most of the alckys on the street are white too. Most people shopping in the city centre would appear to be white as well, maybe they're just masochists who like 'abuse by scum'. yorkshiredude
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3:03pm Tue 15 Nov 11

Up with the partridge says...

The decent, right-thinking people of Bradford must cringe at what this one fine city has become. A ghetto to rival all ghettos. One person above states how tolerant the indigenous population of Bradford has been. Perhaps too tolerant of those who operate in some sort of sub-human way. These people should be swept from the streets and their lives made a complete misery. Abusing poppy sellers is just about as low as it gets and you just knew it would be Bradford - what a hole.
The decent, right-thinking people of Bradford must cringe at what this one fine city has become. A ghetto to rival all ghettos. One person above states how tolerant the indigenous population of Bradford has been. Perhaps too tolerant of those who operate in some sort of sub-human way. These people should be swept from the streets and their lives made a complete misery. Abusing poppy sellers is just about as low as it gets and you just knew it would be Bradford - what a hole. Up with the partridge
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3:04pm Tue 15 Nov 11

Up with the partridge says...

The decent, right-thinking people of Bradford must cringe at what this one fine city has become. A ghetto to rival all ghettos. One person above states how tolerant the indigenous population of Bradford has been. Perhaps too tolerant of those who operate in some sort of sub-human way. These people should be swept from the streets and their lives made a complete misery. Abusing poppy sellers is just about as low as it gets and you just knew it would be Bradford - what a hole.
The decent, right-thinking people of Bradford must cringe at what this one fine city has become. A ghetto to rival all ghettos. One person above states how tolerant the indigenous population of Bradford has been. Perhaps too tolerant of those who operate in some sort of sub-human way. These people should be swept from the streets and their lives made a complete misery. Abusing poppy sellers is just about as low as it gets and you just knew it would be Bradford - what a hole. Up with the partridge
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3:10pm Tue 15 Nov 11

Yorkshire Lass says...

yorkshiredude wrote:
I'm sure most people appreciate the sacrifices that service men and women, and their families made for us all without taking National Service. And I'm sure National Service wouldn't stop everyone being ****s either.

I saw loads of poppy sellers out in Bradford last week, didn't sense anything bad would happen. I saw part of the Rememberance Parade in Bradford too and there was nothing wrong in the atmosphere.

The incidents are awful, but there's no need for the negative obsession with race that seems to pervade every single article on here. Incidents like this should be dealt with properly, to show that the city will not take this. People burn poppies, or use armistice day as a reason to cause public disorder offences outside a pub - but society doesn't accept this. BE POSITIVE PEOPLE!
These are not isolated incidents by any means. Ask people who attended Bradford Uni wearing poppies last week. They got told in no uncertain terms to get them ( poppies) off. So you see this feeling is quite widespread amongst certain communities. WHY? We will always remember our brave soldiers NO MATTER WHAT. NO ONE CAN CHANGE THE HISTORY OF THIS COUNTRY.
[quote][p][bold]yorkshiredude[/bold] wrote: I'm sure most people appreciate the sacrifices that service men and women, and their families made for us all without taking National Service. And I'm sure National Service wouldn't stop everyone being ****s either. I saw loads of poppy sellers out in Bradford last week, didn't sense anything bad would happen. I saw part of the Rememberance Parade in Bradford too and there was nothing wrong in the atmosphere. The incidents are awful, but there's no need for the negative obsession with race that seems to pervade every single article on here. Incidents like this should be dealt with properly, to show that the city will not take this. People burn poppies, or use armistice day as a reason to cause public disorder offences outside a pub - but society doesn't accept this. BE POSITIVE PEOPLE![/p][/quote]These are not isolated incidents by any means. Ask people who attended Bradford Uni wearing poppies last week. They got told in no uncertain terms to get them ( poppies) off. So you see this feeling is quite widespread amongst certain communities. WHY? We will always remember our brave soldiers NO MATTER WHAT. NO ONE CAN CHANGE THE HISTORY OF THIS COUNTRY. Yorkshire Lass
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3:18pm Tue 15 Nov 11

Thee Voice of Reason says...

The most worrying thing is it is not an issolated incident. In the story 4 examples are given and I think this will be the tip of the iceberg. To have it happen to one poppy seller can be looked at but taken as a one off but 4 incidents that have been reported, probably more unreported and it's disgraceful. The men and women who died for this country must be turning in their graves.
The most worrying thing is it is not an issolated incident. In the story 4 examples are given and I think this will be the tip of the iceberg. To have it happen to one poppy seller can be looked at but taken as a one off but 4 incidents that have been reported, probably more unreported and it's disgraceful. The men and women who died for this country must be turning in their graves. Thee Voice of Reason
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3:31pm Tue 15 Nov 11

Keyser_Söze says...

Look guys; it wasn't exactly clever to sell poppies in an area where the majority are against the war.
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Come on; it ain't rocket science.
Look guys; it wasn't exactly clever to sell poppies in an area where the majority are against the war. . Come on; it ain't rocket science. Keyser_Söze
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3:36pm Tue 15 Nov 11

Chillum Bantam says...

Yorkshire Lass wrote:
yorkshiredude wrote:
I'm sure most people appreciate the sacrifices that service men and women, and their families made for us all without taking National Service. And I'm sure National Service wouldn't stop everyone being ****s either.

I saw loads of poppy sellers out in Bradford last week, didn't sense anything bad would happen. I saw part of the Rememberance Parade in Bradford too and there was nothing wrong in the atmosphere.

The incidents are awful, but there's no need for the negative obsession with race that seems to pervade every single article on here. Incidents like this should be dealt with properly, to show that the city will not take this. People burn poppies, or use armistice day as a reason to cause public disorder offences outside a pub - but society doesn't accept this. BE POSITIVE PEOPLE!These are not isolated incidents by any means. Ask people who attended Bradford Uni wearing poppies last week. They got told in no uncertain terms to get them ( poppies) off. So you see this feeling is quite widespread amongst certain communities. WHY? We will always remember our brave soldiers NO MATTER WHAT. NO ONE CAN CHANGE THE HISTORY OF THIS COUNTRY.These are not isolated incidents by any means. Ask people who attended Bradford Uni wearing poppies last week. They got told in no uncertain terms to get them (poppies) off. Is this true? Can’t be true can it, The University stopped to pay respects last week; do you have your facts right Yorkshire Lass?
[quote][p][bold]Yorkshire Lass[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]yorkshiredude[/bold] wrote: I'm sure most people appreciate the sacrifices that service men and women, and their families made for us all without taking National Service. And I'm sure National Service wouldn't stop everyone being ****s either. I saw loads of poppy sellers out in Bradford last week, didn't sense anything bad would happen. I saw part of the Rememberance Parade in Bradford too and there was nothing wrong in the atmosphere. The incidents are awful, but there's no need for the negative obsession with race that seems to pervade every single article on here. Incidents like this should be dealt with properly, to show that the city will not take this. People burn poppies, or use armistice day as a reason to cause public disorder offences outside a pub - but society doesn't accept this. BE POSITIVE PEOPLE![/p][/quote]These are not isolated incidents by any means. Ask people who attended Bradford Uni wearing poppies last week. They got told in no uncertain terms to get them ( poppies) off. So you see this feeling is quite widespread amongst certain communities. WHY? We will always remember our brave soldiers NO MATTER WHAT. NO ONE CAN CHANGE THE HISTORY OF THIS COUNTRY.[/p][/quote][/quote]These are not isolated incidents by any means. Ask people who attended Bradford Uni wearing poppies last week. They got told in no uncertain terms to get them (poppies) off. Is this true? Can’t be true can it, The University stopped to pay respects last week; do you have your facts right Yorkshire Lass? Chillum Bantam
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3:39pm Tue 15 Nov 11

the Laird says...

Keyser_Söze wrote:
Look guys; it wasn't exactly clever to sell poppies in an area where the majority are against the war.
.
Come on; it ain't rocket science.
One sentence that sums up what a cesspit Bradford has become.
No wonder so few firms and businesses want to invest here and never ever will.
[quote][p][bold]Keyser_Söze[/bold] wrote: Look guys; it wasn't exactly clever to sell poppies in an area where the majority are against the war. . Come on; it ain't rocket science.[/p][/quote]One sentence that sums up what a cesspit Bradford has become. No wonder so few firms and businesses want to invest here and never ever will. the Laird
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3:40pm Tue 15 Nov 11

Thee Voice of Reason says...

Keyser_Söze wrote:
Look guys; it wasn't exactly clever to sell poppies in an area where the majority are against the war. . Come on; it ain't rocket science.
The poppy is taken from the battlefields of the first world war, and it remembers all our war dead. What some people feel about the more recent wars shouldn't even come into it.
[quote][p][bold]Keyser_Söze[/bold] wrote: Look guys; it wasn't exactly clever to sell poppies in an area where the majority are against the war. . Come on; it ain't rocket science.[/p][/quote]The poppy is taken from the battlefields of the first world war, and it remembers all our war dead. What some people feel about the more recent wars shouldn't even come into it. Thee Voice of Reason
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3:43pm Tue 15 Nov 11

Keyser_Söze says...

Thee Voice of Reason wrote:
Keyser_Söze wrote:
Look guys; it wasn't exactly clever to sell poppies in an area where the majority are against the war. . Come on; it ain't rocket science.
The poppy is taken from the battlefields of the first world war, and it remembers all our war dead. What some people feel about the more recent wars shouldn't even come into it.
The poppy is about freemasonry and the Iluminati.
.
Blood sacrifice.
[quote][p][bold]Thee Voice of Reason[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Keyser_Söze[/bold] wrote: Look guys; it wasn't exactly clever to sell poppies in an area where the majority are against the war. . Come on; it ain't rocket science.[/p][/quote]The poppy is taken from the battlefields of the first world war, and it remembers all our war dead. What some people feel about the more recent wars shouldn't even come into it.[/p][/quote]The poppy is about freemasonry and the Iluminati. . Blood sacrifice. Keyser_Söze
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3:45pm Tue 15 Nov 11

notoptomistic says...

the Laird wrote:
Keyser_Söze wrote: Look guys; it wasn't exactly clever to sell poppies in an area where the majority are against the war. . Come on; it ain't rocket science.
One sentence that sums up what a cesspit Bradford has become. No wonder so few firms and businesses want to invest here and never ever will.
Laird, I agree completely.
And to the new alias of rupert-shameful-murd
ock -
People are quite happy to reap the historical benefits of the sacrifice, but seem quite unwlling to celebrate the enduring dignity of the former generations whom bestowed them.
If people are offended by poppies and what they represent they can exercise their Poppy Heroes legacy of lasting freedon to pack their backs, go to LBA and leave to a country which may better suite their temperament and preferences.
It aint rocket science...
[quote][p][bold]the Laird[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Keyser_Söze[/bold] wrote: Look guys; it wasn't exactly clever to sell poppies in an area where the majority are against the war. . Come on; it ain't rocket science.[/p][/quote]One sentence that sums up what a cesspit Bradford has become. No wonder so few firms and businesses want to invest here and never ever will.[/p][/quote]Laird, I agree completely. And to the new alias of rupert-shameful-murd ock - People are quite happy to reap the historical benefits of the sacrifice, but seem quite unwlling to celebrate the enduring dignity of the former generations whom bestowed them. If people are offended by poppies and what they represent they can exercise their Poppy Heroes legacy of lasting freedon to pack their backs, go to LBA and leave to a country which may better suite their temperament and preferences. It aint rocket science... notoptomistic
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3:50pm Tue 15 Nov 11

Eddiethepom says...

Keyser_Söze wrote:
Thee Voice of Reason wrote:
Keyser_Söze wrote: Look guys; it wasn't exactly clever to sell poppies in an area where the majority are against the war. . Come on; it ain't rocket science.
The poppy is taken from the battlefields of the first world war, and it remembers all our war dead. What some people feel about the more recent wars shouldn't even come into it.
The poppy is about freemasonry and the Iluminati. . Blood sacrifice.
What a load of rubbish........are you Iona, John Phillips, etc etc with a new name????

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Peolpe should be able to sell poppies for rememberance wherever they see fit in Britain without worrying about idiots abusing them and spitting at them.

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Regardless of race, colour or ethnicity, the individual(s) responsible need stringing up. However, as a few have already mentioned, nothing will be done about it by the Police...to much like hard work.
[quote][p][bold]Keyser_Söze[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Thee Voice of Reason[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Keyser_Söze[/bold] wrote: Look guys; it wasn't exactly clever to sell poppies in an area where the majority are against the war. . Come on; it ain't rocket science.[/p][/quote]The poppy is taken from the battlefields of the first world war, and it remembers all our war dead. What some people feel about the more recent wars shouldn't even come into it.[/p][/quote]The poppy is about freemasonry and the Iluminati. . Blood sacrifice.[/p][/quote]What a load of rubbish........are you Iona, John Phillips, etc etc with a new name???? . Peolpe should be able to sell poppies for rememberance wherever they see fit in Britain without worrying about idiots abusing them and spitting at them. . Regardless of race, colour or ethnicity, the individual(s) responsible need stringing up. However, as a few have already mentioned, nothing will be done about it by the Police...to much like hard work. Eddiethepom
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3:56pm Tue 15 Nov 11

richmondbull says...

Keyser_Söze wrote:
Thee Voice of Reason wrote:
Keyser_Söze wrote: Look guys; it wasn't exactly clever to sell poppies in an area where the majority are against the war. . Come on; it ain't rocket science.
The poppy is taken from the battlefields of the first world war, and it remembers all our war dead. What some people feel about the more recent wars shouldn't even come into it.
The poppy is about freemasonry and the Iluminati. . Blood sacrifice.
First off EDL,BNP then Isreal,Now of course the Masonic order,will you get a grip you grotty stroker!

You are doing no one a favour been in this country,If you dont like it leave.

An inbred of the highest order!
[quote][p][bold]Keyser_Söze[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Thee Voice of Reason[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Keyser_Söze[/bold] wrote: Look guys; it wasn't exactly clever to sell poppies in an area where the majority are against the war. . Come on; it ain't rocket science.[/p][/quote]The poppy is taken from the battlefields of the first world war, and it remembers all our war dead. What some people feel about the more recent wars shouldn't even come into it.[/p][/quote]The poppy is about freemasonry and the Iluminati. . Blood sacrifice.[/p][/quote]First off EDL,BNP then Isreal,Now of course the Masonic order,will you get a grip you grotty stroker! You are doing no one a favour been in this country,If you dont like it leave. An inbred of the highest order! richmondbull
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3:56pm Tue 15 Nov 11

Albion. says...

Keyser_Söze wrote:
Thee Voice of Reason wrote:
Keyser_Söze wrote:
Look guys; it wasn't exactly clever to sell poppies in an area where the majority are against the war. . Come on; it ain't rocket science.
The poppy is taken from the battlefields of the first world war, and it remembers all our war dead. What some people feel about the more recent wars shouldn't even come into it.
The poppy is about freemasonry and the Iluminati.
.
Blood sacrifice.
http://www.greatwar.
co.uk/article/rememb
rance-poppy.htm Read this!
[quote][p][bold]Keyser_Söze[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Thee Voice of Reason[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Keyser_Söze[/bold] wrote: Look guys; it wasn't exactly clever to sell poppies in an area where the majority are against the war. . Come on; it ain't rocket science.[/p][/quote]The poppy is taken from the battlefields of the first world war, and it remembers all our war dead. What some people feel about the more recent wars shouldn't even come into it.[/p][/quote]The poppy is about freemasonry and the Iluminati. . Blood sacrifice.[/p][/quote]http://www.greatwar. co.uk/article/rememb rance-poppy.htm Read this! Albion.
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3:58pm Tue 15 Nov 11

Joedavid says...

Keyser_Söze wrote:
Look guys; it wasn't exactly clever to sell poppies in an area where the majority are against the war. . Come on; it ain't rocket science.
My grandfather died in the first world war so you could type what you have just done, also my fathere served in the second world war. These are the wars we basicaly are remembering in which people gave thier lives. Goodness knows if these wars had not been won what this country would be like today, one thing for certain these people would not be living in this country now there would have been no welcome given them.
[quote][p][bold]Keyser_Söze[/bold] wrote: Look guys; it wasn't exactly clever to sell poppies in an area where the majority are against the war. . Come on; it ain't rocket science.[/p][/quote]My grandfather died in the first world war so you could type what you have just done, also my fathere served in the second world war. These are the wars we basicaly are remembering in which people gave thier lives. Goodness knows if these wars had not been won what this country would be like today, one thing for certain these people would not be living in this country now there would have been no welcome given them. Joedavid
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4:03pm Tue 15 Nov 11

FP says...

These actions of a few have no place in our city. Can I hasten to add that the comments now posted have turned this story into a race debate which is quite frankly disturbing. Having lived hear for nearly 3 decades, I can proudly say Bradford is one of it's kind and I am more than proud to be a Bradfordian through and through.

However what really makes my blood boil is people like 'Albion' and 'Forseti' who like to slag Bradford off with statements which are not only islamophobic but downright xenophobic to say the least. I share no sympathy whatsoever with condescending and arrogant folk like these who sit behind a screen waiting until stories are published along with a comments section to spit out their racist venom.

If you don't like it here in Bradford then jog on!!!
These actions of a few have no place in our city. Can I hasten to add that the comments now posted have turned this story into a race debate which is quite frankly disturbing. Having lived hear for nearly 3 decades, I can proudly say Bradford is one of it's kind and I am more than proud to be a Bradfordian through and through. However what really makes my blood boil is people like 'Albion' and 'Forseti' who like to slag Bradford off with statements which are not only islamophobic but downright xenophobic to say the least. I share no sympathy whatsoever with condescending and arrogant folk like these who sit behind a screen waiting until stories are published along with a comments section to spit out their racist venom. If you don't like it here in Bradford then jog on!!! FP
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4:08pm Tue 15 Nov 11

Keyser_Söze says...

I have no problem in commemorating the 2 great wars, but anything after 1945 is a sham (and quite sad).
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Iraq and Afghanistan: why?
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Our troops are being killed for the Zionist Neo-Cons.
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The sooner you understand (and accept) that sick reality, the better you'll be.
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Just recently the Israeli terrorists have been begging the US (and the UK) to attack Iran, for *THEIR* benefit.
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How many more of *our* soldiers are going to die for somebody else?
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How many?
I have no problem in commemorating the 2 great wars, but anything after 1945 is a sham (and quite sad). . Iraq and Afghanistan: why? . Our troops are being killed for the Zionist Neo-Cons. . The sooner you understand (and accept) that sick reality, the better you'll be. . Just recently the Israeli terrorists have been begging the US (and the UK) to attack Iran, for *THEIR* benefit. . How many more of *our* soldiers are going to die for somebody else? . How many? Keyser_Söze
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4:10pm Tue 15 Nov 11

rugger-tyke says...

Victor Clayton wrote:
Unfortunately it is a problem with race. The Asian girls were singled out because they were Asian, therefore they were traitors. Why is it when you hear if spitting it involves Pakistani males? How often do you hear of a white/ European spitting on someone in the street? Yet I hear stories about Pakistani youths doing it all the time.
I think the Europeans in this City have been tremendously tolerant, but this has been abused by the Pakistani community. On the program about grooming the other night they asked a Pakistani community leader why they targeted white girls. The answer - because there would be no retribution. It is very sad that neither the police nor the politicians have the guts to do anything to protect us. In the same program the lady who presented the program asked the head of a task force if he thought it was a problem within the Pakistani community (a fact that was admitted by some of the Pakistani community leader - to their credit). He started stuttering and nearly had an accident. It was sickening. As an earlier poster said we all want to live in peace to get on with our lives, but surely a basis on which to do it must be that we have the same laws for everyone?
Alcaraz is of Pakistani stock ??
[quote][p][bold]Victor Clayton[/bold] wrote: Unfortunately it is a problem with race. The Asian girls were singled out because they were Asian, therefore they were traitors. Why is it when you hear if spitting it involves Pakistani males? How often do you hear of a white/ European spitting on someone in the street? Yet I hear stories about Pakistani youths doing it all the time. I think the Europeans in this City have been tremendously tolerant, but this has been abused by the Pakistani community. On the program about grooming the other night they asked a Pakistani community leader why they targeted white girls. The answer - because there would be no retribution. It is very sad that neither the police nor the politicians have the guts to do anything to protect us. In the same program the lady who presented the program asked the head of a task force if he thought it was a problem within the Pakistani community (a fact that was admitted by some of the Pakistani community leader - to their credit). He started stuttering and nearly had an accident. It was sickening. As an earlier poster said we all want to live in peace to get on with our lives, but surely a basis on which to do it must be that we have the same laws for everyone?[/p][/quote]Alcaraz is of Pakistani stock ?? rugger-tyke
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4:11pm Tue 15 Nov 11

Keyser_Söze says...

Albion. wrote:
Keyser_Söze wrote:
Thee Voice of Reason wrote:
Keyser_Söze wrote:
Look guys; it wasn't exactly clever to sell poppies in an area where the majority are against the war. . Come on; it ain't rocket science.
The poppy is taken from the battlefields of the first world war, and it remembers all our war dead. What some people feel about the more recent wars shouldn't even come into it.
The poppy is about freemasonry and the Iluminati.
.
Blood sacrifice.
http://www.greatwar.
co.uk/article/rememb
rance-poppy.htm Read this!
They'd like you to think that, Albion.
[quote][p][bold]Albion.[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Keyser_Söze[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Thee Voice of Reason[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Keyser_Söze[/bold] wrote: Look guys; it wasn't exactly clever to sell poppies in an area where the majority are against the war. . Come on; it ain't rocket science.[/p][/quote]The poppy is taken from the battlefields of the first world war, and it remembers all our war dead. What some people feel about the more recent wars shouldn't even come into it.[/p][/quote]The poppy is about freemasonry and the Iluminati. . Blood sacrifice.[/p][/quote]http://www.greatwar. co.uk/article/rememb rance-poppy.htm Read this![/p][/quote]They'd like you to think that, Albion. Keyser_Söze
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4:11pm Tue 15 Nov 11

Morehamhead says...

Eyup, Keyser_Söze is that you? (rupert-shameful-mur
dock) Fare Thee Well.
Eyup, Keyser_Söze is that you? (rupert-shameful-mur dock) Fare Thee Well. Morehamhead
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4:15pm Tue 15 Nov 11

Albion. says...

Keyser_Söze wrote:
Albion. wrote:
Keyser_Söze wrote:
Thee Voice of Reason wrote:
Keyser_Söze wrote:
Look guys; it wasn't exactly clever to sell poppies in an area where the majority are against the war. . Come on; it ain't rocket science.
The poppy is taken from the battlefields of the first world war, and it remembers all our war dead. What some people feel about the more recent wars shouldn't even come into it.
The poppy is about freemasonry and the Iluminati.
.
Blood sacrifice.
http://www.greatwar.

co.uk/article/rememb

rance-poppy.htm Read this!
They'd like you to think that, Albion.
I KNOW it!
[quote][p][bold]Keyser_Söze[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Albion.[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Keyser_Söze[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Thee Voice of Reason[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Keyser_Söze[/bold] wrote: Look guys; it wasn't exactly clever to sell poppies in an area where the majority are against the war. . Come on; it ain't rocket science.[/p][/quote]The poppy is taken from the battlefields of the first world war, and it remembers all our war dead. What some people feel about the more recent wars shouldn't even come into it.[/p][/quote]The poppy is about freemasonry and the Iluminati. . Blood sacrifice.[/p][/quote]http://www.greatwar. co.uk/article/rememb rance-poppy.htm Read this![/p][/quote]They'd like you to think that, Albion.[/p][/quote]I KNOW it! Albion.
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4:15pm Tue 15 Nov 11

Keyser_Söze says...

FP wrote:
These actions of a few have no place in our city. Can I hasten to add that the comments now posted have turned this story into a race debate which is quite frankly disturbing. Having lived hear for nearly 3 decades, I can proudly say Bradford is one of it's kind and I am more than proud to be a Bradfordian through and through.

However what really makes my blood boil is people like 'Albion' and 'Forseti' who like to slag Bradford off with statements which are not only islamophobic but downright xenophobic to say the least. I share no sympathy whatsoever with condescending and arrogant folk like these who sit behind a screen waiting until stories are published along with a comments section to spit out their racist venom.

If you don't like it here in Bradford then jog on!!!
The likes of the racist and Islamophobic 'Albion' (and others sympathetic to the BNP/EDL/NF), is no surprise really.
.
Fortunately these sickos are in a minority :)
[quote][p][bold]FP[/bold] wrote: These actions of a few have no place in our city. Can I hasten to add that the comments now posted have turned this story into a race debate which is quite frankly disturbing. Having lived hear for nearly 3 decades, I can proudly say Bradford is one of it's kind and I am more than proud to be a Bradfordian through and through. However what really makes my blood boil is people like 'Albion' and 'Forseti' who like to slag Bradford off with statements which are not only islamophobic but downright xenophobic to say the least. I share no sympathy whatsoever with condescending and arrogant folk like these who sit behind a screen waiting until stories are published along with a comments section to spit out their racist venom. If you don't like it here in Bradford then jog on!!![/p][/quote]The likes of the racist and Islamophobic 'Albion' (and others sympathetic to the BNP/EDL/NF), is no surprise really. . Fortunately these sickos are in a minority :) Keyser_Söze
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4:15pm Tue 15 Nov 11

rugger-tyke says...

Clowny wrote:
rugger-tyke wrote:
angry bradfordian wrote:
We should be able to see if the ocean of CCTV cameras in the city centre are of any use then?
Indeed, why did the Police not intervene ?? . .
Only 1/3rd of the cameras in Bradford are displayed at any one time (meaning 2/3rds are not even being watched) of that 1/3rd it’s down to the operator simply by chance to spot an incident on any one of about 50 monitors. None of the cameras are auto rotated to capture the entire scene and they’re left for hours or days on end at default angles and zooms. To cut costs often there is a single CCTV covering a 360% space whilst only monitoring less than 90% of that. The odds of being seen whilst being assaulted or worse are 1000’s to 1.
So the World's most surveillanced country isn't actually all that surveyed at all . .!

So the poppy burning idiots have been outdone . . I also agree soldiers should be accompanying the sellers, would cut out such nonsense.
[quote][p][bold]Clowny[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]rugger-tyke[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]angry bradfordian[/bold] wrote: We should be able to see if the ocean of CCTV cameras in the city centre are of any use then?[/p][/quote]Indeed, why did the Police not intervene ?? . .[/p][/quote]Only 1/3rd of the cameras in Bradford are displayed at any one time (meaning 2/3rds are not even being watched) of that 1/3rd it’s down to the operator simply by chance to spot an incident on any one of about 50 monitors. None of the cameras are auto rotated to capture the entire scene and they’re left for hours or days on end at default angles and zooms. To cut costs often there is a single CCTV covering a 360% space whilst only monitoring less than 90% of that. The odds of being seen whilst being assaulted or worse are 1000’s to 1.[/p][/quote]So the World's most surveillanced country isn't actually all that surveyed at all . .! So the poppy burning idiots have been outdone . . I also agree soldiers should be accompanying the sellers, would cut out such nonsense. rugger-tyke
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4:16pm Tue 15 Nov 11

Up with the partridge says...

Keyser_Söze wrote:
Thee Voice of Reason wrote:
Keyser_Söze wrote: Look guys; it wasn't exactly clever to sell poppies in an area where the majority are against the war. . Come on; it ain't rocket science.
The poppy is taken from the battlefields of the first world war, and it remembers all our war dead. What some people feel about the more recent wars shouldn't even come into it.
The poppy is about freemasonry and the Iluminati. . Blood sacrifice.
Freemasonary and Iluminati?? What are you sniffing?
[quote][p][bold]Keyser_Söze[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Thee Voice of Reason[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Keyser_Söze[/bold] wrote: Look guys; it wasn't exactly clever to sell poppies in an area where the majority are against the war. . Come on; it ain't rocket science.[/p][/quote]The poppy is taken from the battlefields of the first world war, and it remembers all our war dead. What some people feel about the more recent wars shouldn't even come into it.[/p][/quote]The poppy is about freemasonry and the Iluminati. . Blood sacrifice.[/p][/quote]Freemasonary and Iluminati?? What are you sniffing? Up with the partridge
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4:16pm Tue 15 Nov 11

Albion. says...

Morehamhead wrote:
Eyup, Keyser_Söze is that you? (rupert-shameful-mur

dock) Fare Thee Well.
Is it hell it's probably Trevor Wood in one of his many guises.
[quote][p][bold]Morehamhead[/bold] wrote: Eyup, Keyser_Söze is that you? (rupert-shameful-mur dock) Fare Thee Well.[/p][/quote]Is it hell it's probably Trevor Wood in one of his many guises. Albion.
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4:19pm Tue 15 Nov 11

Albion. says...

Keyser_Söze wrote:
FP wrote:
These actions of a few have no place in our city. Can I hasten to add that the comments now posted have turned this story into a race debate which is quite frankly disturbing. Having lived hear for nearly 3 decades, I can proudly say Bradford is one of it's kind and I am more than proud to be a Bradfordian through and through.

However what really makes my blood boil is people like 'Albion' and 'Forseti' who like to slag Bradford off with statements which are not only islamophobic but downright xenophobic to say the least. I share no sympathy whatsoever with condescending and arrogant folk like these who sit behind a screen waiting until stories are published along with a comments section to spit out their racist venom.

If you don't like it here in Bradford then jog on!!!
The likes of the racist and Islamophobic 'Albion' (and others sympathetic to the BNP/EDL/NF), is no surprise really.
.
Fortunately these sickos are in a minority :)
If I were a minority of one I would stand to the last against the likes of you!
[quote][p][bold]Keyser_Söze[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]FP[/bold] wrote: These actions of a few have no place in our city. Can I hasten to add that the comments now posted have turned this story into a race debate which is quite frankly disturbing. Having lived hear for nearly 3 decades, I can proudly say Bradford is one of it's kind and I am more than proud to be a Bradfordian through and through. However what really makes my blood boil is people like 'Albion' and 'Forseti' who like to slag Bradford off with statements which are not only islamophobic but downright xenophobic to say the least. I share no sympathy whatsoever with condescending and arrogant folk like these who sit behind a screen waiting until stories are published along with a comments section to spit out their racist venom. If you don't like it here in Bradford then jog on!!![/p][/quote]The likes of the racist and Islamophobic 'Albion' (and others sympathetic to the BNP/EDL/NF), is no surprise really. . Fortunately these sickos are in a minority :)[/p][/quote]If I were a minority of one I would stand to the last against the likes of you! Albion.
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4:22pm Tue 15 Nov 11

Albion. says...

Albion. wrote:
Morehamhead wrote:
Eyup, Keyser_Söze is that you? (rupert-shameful-mur


dock) Fare Thee Well.
Is it hell it's probably Trevor Wood in one of his many guises.
Actually I take that back, you could be right!
[quote][p][bold]Albion.[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Morehamhead[/bold] wrote: Eyup, Keyser_Söze is that you? (rupert-shameful-mur dock) Fare Thee Well.[/p][/quote]Is it hell it's probably Trevor Wood in one of his many guises.[/p][/quote]Actually I take that back, you could be right! Albion.
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4:24pm Tue 15 Nov 11

rugger-tyke says...

Undoubtedly, the poppy has been hijacked as a tool for war propaganda but there are ways and means to make a point.

I personally think the UN should have an international White Poppy Day as unfortunately brutality and injustice still exists in the world and is far from over nor being fairly combatted.

Bashar Al-Assad is being far more brutal than Gaddafi yet the only attack on him has been empty rhetoric.
Undoubtedly, the poppy has been hijacked as a tool for war propaganda but there are ways and means to make a point. I personally think the UN should have an international White Poppy Day as unfortunately brutality and injustice still exists in the world and is far from over nor being fairly combatted. Bashar Al-Assad is being far more brutal than Gaddafi yet the only attack on him has been empty rhetoric. rugger-tyke
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4:26pm Tue 15 Nov 11

rugger-tyke says...

Undoubtedly, the poppy has been hijacked as a tool for war propaganda but there are ways and means to make a point.

I personally think the UN should have an international White Poppy Day as unfortunately brutality and injustice still exists in the world and is far from over nor being fairly combated.

Bashar Al-Assad is being far more brutal than Gaddafi yet the only attack on him has been empty rhetoric.
Undoubtedly, the poppy has been hijacked as a tool for war propaganda but there are ways and means to make a point. I personally think the UN should have an international White Poppy Day as unfortunately brutality and injustice still exists in the world and is far from over nor being fairly combated. Bashar Al-Assad is being far more brutal than Gaddafi yet the only attack on him has been empty rhetoric. rugger-tyke
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4:27pm Tue 15 Nov 11

ArmyCadets says...

The Army Cadets were among many volunteers in Bradford assisting with the 'Poppy appeal'and although it is true that a few of the cadets received some negative comments, which did at the time upset them it has to be said that these people were a minority. The cadets aged between 13 and 18 help out each year with this worthy cause and also show their respect on the Remembrance parade. A minority of people will not deter the good work that they do year upon year. The negatives are very easy to get focussed on..take a look at the positives..every year the collections for the 'Poppy Appeal' grow! We see more and more people, from all different ethnics wearing poppies (even shows like X Factor and Strictly are ensuring the 'Poppy appeal' is supported by introducing new glittery poppy jewellery etc) The asian girls in question, proud to be cadets, gave up their time to help raise loads of money for the appeal, with many people telling them of the fantastic job they were doing (another positive to take on board) The city of Bradford has a large population so these incidents (albeit wrong and most likely from uneducated people) were from but a few of many and hardly worth giving another thought about.
It's obvious from reading many of your comments that you are very patriotic (nothing wrong with that) but lets not lead that on to an attack on the police, the asian communities, the 'chavs' the unemployed, or the state of the country in general..instead lets be positive and keep wearing your poppy with pride, which has a knock on effect and helps those that have suffered from conflict:- i know thats what the cadets will be doing.
The Army Cadets were among many volunteers in Bradford assisting with the 'Poppy appeal'and although it is true that a few of the cadets received some negative comments, which did at the time upset them it has to be said that these people were a minority. The cadets aged between 13 and 18 help out each year with this worthy cause and also show their respect on the Remembrance parade. A minority of people will not deter the good work that they do year upon year. The negatives are very easy to get focussed on..take a look at the positives..every year the collections for the 'Poppy Appeal' grow! We see more and more people, from all different ethnics wearing poppies (even shows like X Factor and Strictly are ensuring the 'Poppy appeal' is supported by introducing new glittery poppy jewellery etc) The asian girls in question, proud to be cadets, gave up their time to help raise loads of money for the appeal, with many people telling them of the fantastic job they were doing (another positive to take on board) The city of Bradford has a large population so these incidents (albeit wrong and most likely from uneducated people) were from but a few of many and hardly worth giving another thought about. It's obvious from reading many of your comments that you are very patriotic (nothing wrong with that) but lets not lead that on to an attack on the police, the asian communities, the 'chavs' the unemployed, or the state of the country in general..instead lets be positive and keep wearing your poppy with pride, which has a knock on effect and helps those that have suffered from conflict:- i know thats what the cadets will be doing. ArmyCadets
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4:30pm Tue 15 Nov 11

Parz says...

Keyser-Soze. You have the right to your opinion and despite how wrong I believe you to be, I respect your right to express your opinion. However, you have no right to insult people simply because thier opinions are different to yours. Knock it off.

Getting back to the original story, these scrotes of society should be sentanced to a couple of years of service in the armed forces. Perhaps then they will have some respect for the men and women who suffered and died, and continue to do so, to afford these idiots the freedoms which they take for granted. Lest we forget.
Keyser-Soze. You have the right to your opinion and despite how wrong I believe you to be, I respect your right to express your opinion. However, you have no right to insult people simply because thier opinions are different to yours. Knock it off. Getting back to the original story, these scrotes of society should be sentanced to a couple of years of service in the armed forces. Perhaps then they will have some respect for the men and women who suffered and died, and continue to do so, to afford these idiots the freedoms which they take for granted. Lest we forget. Parz
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4:32pm Tue 15 Nov 11

Avro says...

Keyser_Söze wrote:
Look guys; it wasn't exactly clever to sell poppies in an area where the majority are against the war. . Come on; it ain't rocket science.
Poppies are about the war dead from whatever conflict; so its not rocket science to realise that direspect for the Poppy is also disrespect for the dead, though its seems some people have no shame!
[quote][p][bold]Keyser_Söze[/bold] wrote: Look guys; it wasn't exactly clever to sell poppies in an area where the majority are against the war. . Come on; it ain't rocket science.[/p][/quote]Poppies are about the war dead from whatever conflict; so its not rocket science to realise that direspect for the Poppy is also disrespect for the dead, though its seems some people have no shame! Avro
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4:35pm Tue 15 Nov 11

rugger-tyke says...

ArmyCadets wrote:
The Army Cadets were among many volunteers in Bradford assisting with the 'Poppy appeal'and although it is true that a few of the cadets received some negative comments, which did at the time upset them it has to be said that these people were a minority. The cadets aged between 13 and 18 help out each year with this worthy cause and also show their respect on the Remembrance parade. A minority of people will not deter the good work that they do year upon year. The negatives are very easy to get focussed on..take a look at the positives..every year the collections for the 'Poppy Appeal' grow! We see more and more people, from all different ethnics wearing poppies (even shows like X Factor and Strictly are ensuring the 'Poppy appeal' is supported by introducing new glittery poppy jewellery etc) The asian girls in question, proud to be cadets, gave up their time to help raise loads of money for the appeal, with many people telling them of the fantastic job they were doing (another positive to take on board) The city of Bradford has a large population so these incidents (albeit wrong and most likely from uneducated people) were from but a few of many and hardly worth giving another thought about.
It's obvious from reading many of your comments that you are very patriotic (nothing wrong with that) but lets not lead that on to an attack on the police, the asian communities, the 'chavs' the unemployed, or the state of the country in general..instead lets be positive and keep wearing your poppy with pride, which has a knock on effect and helps those that have suffered from conflict:- i know thats what the cadets will be doing.
Very well said.

Though it would have been better had the cadet not approached the local rag, as it has inadvertently created negative sentiments and that isn't what Bradford needs.
[quote][p][bold]ArmyCadets[/bold] wrote: The Army Cadets were among many volunteers in Bradford assisting with the 'Poppy appeal'and although it is true that a few of the cadets received some negative comments, which did at the time upset them it has to be said that these people were a minority. The cadets aged between 13 and 18 help out each year with this worthy cause and also show their respect on the Remembrance parade. A minority of people will not deter the good work that they do year upon year. The negatives are very easy to get focussed on..take a look at the positives..every year the collections for the 'Poppy Appeal' grow! We see more and more people, from all different ethnics wearing poppies (even shows like X Factor and Strictly are ensuring the 'Poppy appeal' is supported by introducing new glittery poppy jewellery etc) The asian girls in question, proud to be cadets, gave up their time to help raise loads of money for the appeal, with many people telling them of the fantastic job they were doing (another positive to take on board) The city of Bradford has a large population so these incidents (albeit wrong and most likely from uneducated people) were from but a few of many and hardly worth giving another thought about. It's obvious from reading many of your comments that you are very patriotic (nothing wrong with that) but lets not lead that on to an attack on the police, the asian communities, the 'chavs' the unemployed, or the state of the country in general..instead lets be positive and keep wearing your poppy with pride, which has a knock on effect and helps those that have suffered from conflict:- i know thats what the cadets will be doing.[/p][/quote]Very well said. Though it would have been better had the cadet not approached the local rag, as it has inadvertently created negative sentiments and that isn't what Bradford needs. rugger-tyke
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4:38pm Tue 15 Nov 11

ArmyCadets says...

The report is from the RBL
The report is from the RBL ArmyCadets
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4:49pm Tue 15 Nov 11

Prisoner Cell Block A says...

Keyser_Söze wrote:
Look guys; it wasn't exactly clever to sell poppies in an area where the majority are against the war.
.
Come on; it ain't rocket science.
Against which war? It happened! The poppy is a symbol of rememberance taken from the fields of Flanders, Belgium....Not the war on terror and destroying your mates harvest of opium in the haven known as Afghanistan.
[quote][p][bold]Keyser_Söze[/bold] wrote: Look guys; it wasn't exactly clever to sell poppies in an area where the majority are against the war. . Come on; it ain't rocket science.[/p][/quote]Against which war? It happened! The poppy is a symbol of rememberance taken from the fields of Flanders, Belgium....Not the war on terror and destroying your mates harvest of opium in the haven known as Afghanistan. Prisoner Cell Block A
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4:49pm Tue 15 Nov 11

Chillum Bantam says...

ArmyCadets wrote:
The Army Cadets were among many volunteers in Bradford assisting with the 'Poppy appeal'and although it is true that a few of the cadets received some negative comments, which did at the time upset them it has to be said that these people were a minority. The cadets aged between 13 and 18 help out each year with this worthy cause and also show their respect on the Remembrance parade. A minority of people will not deter the good work that they do year upon year. The negatives are very easy to get focussed on..take a look at the positives..every year the collections for the 'Poppy Appeal' grow! We see more and more people, from all different ethnics wearing poppies (even shows like X Factor and Strictly are ensuring the 'Poppy appeal' is supported by introducing new glittery poppy jewellery etc) The asian girls in question, proud to be cadets, gave up their time to help raise loads of money for the appeal, with many people telling them of the fantastic job they were doing (another positive to take on board) The city of Bradford has a large population so these incidents (albeit wrong and most likely from uneducated people) were from but a few of many and hardly worth giving another thought about.
It's obvious from reading many of your comments that you are very patriotic (nothing wrong with that) but lets not lead that on to an attack on the police, the asian communities, the 'chavs' the unemployed, or the state of the country in general..instead lets be positive and keep wearing your poppy with pride, which has a knock on effect and helps those that have suffered from conflict:- i know thats what the cadets will be doing.
Thank You,
[quote][p][bold]ArmyCadets[/bold] wrote: The Army Cadets were among many volunteers in Bradford assisting with the 'Poppy appeal'and although it is true that a few of the cadets received some negative comments, which did at the time upset them it has to be said that these people were a minority. The cadets aged between 13 and 18 help out each year with this worthy cause and also show their respect on the Remembrance parade. A minority of people will not deter the good work that they do year upon year. The negatives are very easy to get focussed on..take a look at the positives..every year the collections for the 'Poppy Appeal' grow! We see more and more people, from all different ethnics wearing poppies (even shows like X Factor and Strictly are ensuring the 'Poppy appeal' is supported by introducing new glittery poppy jewellery etc) The asian girls in question, proud to be cadets, gave up their time to help raise loads of money for the appeal, with many people telling them of the fantastic job they were doing (another positive to take on board) The city of Bradford has a large population so these incidents (albeit wrong and most likely from uneducated people) were from but a few of many and hardly worth giving another thought about. It's obvious from reading many of your comments that you are very patriotic (nothing wrong with that) but lets not lead that on to an attack on the police, the asian communities, the 'chavs' the unemployed, or the state of the country in general..instead lets be positive and keep wearing your poppy with pride, which has a knock on effect and helps those that have suffered from conflict:- i know thats what the cadets will be doing.[/p][/quote]Thank You, Chillum Bantam
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4:53pm Tue 15 Nov 11

bullybullman says...

The whole of the town centre is full of unemployed young people who have nothing to do, they have no money no moral values & nothing to loose its the society of today that has failed. Not enough jobs , or education we have a big fall out from eastern europe of people who can not find work in their own country so its better to unemplyed in ours, Bradford has become a settlement for the strays of all races including our own English scum. So its not down to race its down to poverty.
The whole of the town centre is full of unemployed young people who have nothing to do, they have no money no moral values & nothing to loose its the society of today that has failed. Not enough jobs , or education we have a big fall out from eastern europe of people who can not find work in their own country so its better to unemplyed in ours, Bradford has become a settlement for the strays of all races including our own English scum. So its not down to race its down to poverty. bullybullman
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5:10pm Tue 15 Nov 11

Willard says...

Oh dear, oh dear, its all here, race, culture, poverty education.

Its none of these and some of these. When I grew up, we had nowt, My Dad did two jobs with all his overtime and weekednd work just to make ends meet. But we had pride and we strove to make ourselves better than those that came before. we welcomed like minded people from all backgrounds that wanted to graft their way out of poverty or bad situations. The pride in 'proud' has gone and many young, but not all, habe no respect for what came before, and gang culture is aspired to.
We need to belong to a safe and welcoming place and we need to work hard to ensure that the next generation benefit from and not inherit our mistakes. Graft is graft, pride is pride and sub-culture is still sub-culture. We should aspire to be. to belong and not wear the badges of those who hold no respect, no values.
All children should leave school being able to read and write, wash themselves, say please and thankyou, and Sir and Madam where needed and have the drive to work hard for what they want. Failure should not be any option and certainly not the only option. Rule Britannia. Now I'm off for a curry at my favourite place in Morley Street
Oh dear, oh dear, its all here, race, culture, poverty education. Its none of these and some of these. When I grew up, we had nowt, My Dad did two jobs with all his overtime and weekednd work just to make ends meet. But we had pride and we strove to make ourselves better than those that came before. we welcomed like minded people from all backgrounds that wanted to graft their way out of poverty or bad situations. The pride in 'proud' has gone and many young, but not all, habe no respect for what came before, and gang culture is aspired to. We need to belong to a safe and welcoming place and we need to work hard to ensure that the next generation benefit from and not inherit our mistakes. Graft is graft, pride is pride and sub-culture is still sub-culture. We should aspire to be. to belong and not wear the badges of those who hold no respect, no values. All children should leave school being able to read and write, wash themselves, say please and thankyou, and Sir and Madam where needed and have the drive to work hard for what they want. Failure should not be any option and certainly not the only option. Rule Britannia. Now I'm off for a curry at my favourite place in Morley Street Willard
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5:21pm Tue 15 Nov 11

Colin Allcars says...

So it would seem the story about the poppies being hidden at the Lidget Green Co-op, so as not to offend the community, could well be possible.
In view of how few people on the streets of Bradford wore a poppy, it would be interesting to see how close to the bottom of that particular league table we are. Puts being curry capital in perspective.
So it would seem the story about the poppies being hidden at the Lidget Green Co-op, so as not to offend the community, could well be possible. In view of how few people on the streets of Bradford wore a poppy, it would be interesting to see how close to the bottom of that particular league table we are. Puts being curry capital in perspective. Colin Allcars
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5:25pm Tue 15 Nov 11

Victor Clayton says...

Willard wrote:
Oh dear, oh dear, its all here, race, culture, poverty education. Its none of these and some of these. When I grew up, we had nowt, My Dad did two jobs with all his overtime and weekednd work just to make ends meet. But we had pride and we strove to make ourselves better than those that came before. we welcomed like minded people from all backgrounds that wanted to graft their way out of poverty or bad situations. The pride in 'proud' has gone and many young, but not all, habe no respect for what came before, and gang culture is aspired to. We need to belong to a safe and welcoming place and we need to work hard to ensure that the next generation benefit from and not inherit our mistakes. Graft is graft, pride is pride and sub-culture is still sub-culture. We should aspire to be. to belong and not wear the badges of those who hold no respect, no values. All children should leave school being able to read and write, wash themselves, say please and thankyou, and Sir and Madam where needed and have the drive to work hard for what they want. Failure should not be any option and certainly not the only option. Rule Britannia. Now I'm off for a curry at my favourite place in Morley Street
you right - I blame the labour party too!
[quote][p][bold]Willard[/bold] wrote: Oh dear, oh dear, its all here, race, culture, poverty education. Its none of these and some of these. When I grew up, we had nowt, My Dad did two jobs with all his overtime and weekednd work just to make ends meet. But we had pride and we strove to make ourselves better than those that came before. we welcomed like minded people from all backgrounds that wanted to graft their way out of poverty or bad situations. The pride in 'proud' has gone and many young, but not all, habe no respect for what came before, and gang culture is aspired to. We need to belong to a safe and welcoming place and we need to work hard to ensure that the next generation benefit from and not inherit our mistakes. Graft is graft, pride is pride and sub-culture is still sub-culture. We should aspire to be. to belong and not wear the badges of those who hold no respect, no values. All children should leave school being able to read and write, wash themselves, say please and thankyou, and Sir and Madam where needed and have the drive to work hard for what they want. Failure should not be any option and certainly not the only option. Rule Britannia. Now I'm off for a curry at my favourite place in Morley Street[/p][/quote]you right - I blame the labour party too! Victor Clayton
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5:41pm Tue 15 Nov 11

bradmat says...

We would have been better off losing ww2
We would have been better off losing ww2 bradmat
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6:02pm Tue 15 Nov 11

jordashe says...

had enough yet?..if so vote B.N.P and before you open you spout Rupert, do us all a favour and **** off!, thats if you can remember who you are today,lol
had enough yet?..if so vote B.N.P and before you open you spout Rupert, do us all a favour and **** off!, thats if you can remember who you are today,lol jordashe
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6:55pm Tue 15 Nov 11

smm3511 says...

CCTV, I wonder why the local police & councilars are not pushing to have the cctv footage of this aired on TV. This is clearly a hate/race crime, O sorry I get it, because it was not a white person who was commiting the crime it's not classed as race issue. PRICELESS, Bradfordians need to stick up for themselfs more.
CCTV, I wonder why the local police & councilars are not pushing to have the cctv footage of this aired on TV. This is clearly a hate/race crime, O sorry I get it, because it was not a white person who was commiting the crime it's not classed as race issue. PRICELESS, Bradfordians need to stick up for themselfs more. smm3511
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7:06pm Tue 15 Nov 11

rugger-tyke says...

smm3511 wrote:
CCTV, I wonder why the local police & councilars are not pushing to have the cctv footage of this aired on TV. This is clearly a hate/race crime, O sorry I get it, because it was not a white person who was commiting the crime it's not classed as race issue. PRICELESS, Bradfordians need to stick up for themselfs more.
Or because supposedly only 1/3 are operating ??, nincompoop.

As for the RBL publishing the news, it appears they've been loving the negative publicity of late, be it FIFA or a few idiots spouting nonsense, which I refuse to believe has never been done before.

Maybe no scum's attempted to steal the funds before, which has been nicely slotted in amidst 'Asians dubbed traitors attacked'.

Melanie Philips would be proud of the standards of its journalism.
[quote][p][bold]smm3511[/bold] wrote: CCTV, I wonder why the local police & councilars are not pushing to have the cctv footage of this aired on TV. This is clearly a hate/race crime, O sorry I get it, because it was not a white person who was commiting the crime it's not classed as race issue. PRICELESS, Bradfordians need to stick up for themselfs more.[/p][/quote]Or because supposedly only 1/3 are operating ??, nincompoop. As for the RBL publishing the news, it appears they've been loving the negative publicity of late, be it FIFA or a few idiots spouting nonsense, which I refuse to believe has never been done before. Maybe no scum's attempted to steal the funds before, which has been nicely slotted in amidst 'Asians dubbed traitors attacked'. Melanie Philips would be proud of the standards of its journalism. rugger-tyke
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7:10pm Tue 15 Nov 11

smm3511 says...

bradmat wrote:
We would have been better off losing ww2
I agree, I would much prefer to have my grankids, niece's & nephew's speak German than Hindu or punjabi. It's a total disgrace what is going on at home these days especially in my beloved home town of Bradford. It's almost got to the point I don't want to come home for a visit anymore.
[quote][p][bold]bradmat[/bold] wrote: We would have been better off losing ww2[/p][/quote]I agree, I would much prefer to have my grankids, niece's & nephew's speak German than Hindu or punjabi. It's a total disgrace what is going on at home these days especially in my beloved home town of Bradford. It's almost got to the point I don't want to come home for a visit anymore. smm3511
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7:18pm Tue 15 Nov 11

smm3511 says...

rugger-tyke wrote:
smm3511 wrote:
CCTV, I wonder why the local police & councilars are not pushing to have the cctv footage of this aired on TV. This is clearly a hate/race crime, O sorry I get it, because it was not a white person who was commiting the crime it's not classed as race issue. PRICELESS, Bradfordians need to stick up for themselfs more.
Or because supposedly only 1/3 are operating ??, nincompoop.

As for the RBL publishing the news, it appears they've been loving the negative publicity of late, be it FIFA or a few idiots spouting nonsense, which I refuse to believe has never been done before.

Maybe no scum's attempted to steal the funds before, which has been nicely slotted in amidst 'Asians dubbed traitors attacked'.

Melanie Philips would be proud of the standards of its journalism.
Guess you aint a supporter of the Poppy then eh
[quote][p][bold]rugger-tyke[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]smm3511[/bold] wrote: CCTV, I wonder why the local police & councilars are not pushing to have the cctv footage of this aired on TV. This is clearly a hate/race crime, O sorry I get it, because it was not a white person who was commiting the crime it's not classed as race issue. PRICELESS, Bradfordians need to stick up for themselfs more.[/p][/quote]Or because supposedly only 1/3 are operating ??, nincompoop. As for the RBL publishing the news, it appears they've been loving the negative publicity of late, be it FIFA or a few idiots spouting nonsense, which I refuse to believe has never been done before. Maybe no scum's attempted to steal the funds before, which has been nicely slotted in amidst 'Asians dubbed traitors attacked'. Melanie Philips would be proud of the standards of its journalism.[/p][/quote]Guess you aint a supporter of the Poppy then eh smm3511
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7:38pm Tue 15 Nov 11

yorkshiredude says...

Yorkshire Lass wrote:
yorkshiredude wrote:
I'm sure most people appreciate the sacrifices that service men and women, and their families made for us all without taking National Service. And I'm sure National Service wouldn't stop everyone being ****s either.

I saw loads of poppy sellers out in Bradford last week, didn't sense anything bad would happen. I saw part of the Rememberance Parade in Bradford too and there was nothing wrong in the atmosphere.

The incidents are awful, but there's no need for the negative obsession with race that seems to pervade every single article on here. Incidents like this should be dealt with properly, to show that the city will not take this. People burn poppies, or use armistice day as a reason to cause public disorder offences outside a pub - but society doesn't accept this. BE POSITIVE PEOPLE!
These are not isolated incidents by any means. Ask people who attended Bradford Uni wearing poppies last week. They got told in no uncertain terms to get them ( poppies) off. So you see this feeling is quite widespread amongst certain communities. WHY? We will always remember our brave soldiers NO MATTER WHAT. NO ONE CAN CHANGE THE HISTORY OF THIS COUNTRY.
They seem to be isolated incidents, given the attention the local rag has given them and the amount of comments from people on here. I don't know anyone who attended Bradford Uni last week, so I can't ask them. I think its far more valuable to focus on doing something positive about a situation rather than blaming a group of people (the poor, foreigners etc).
[quote][p][bold]Yorkshire Lass[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]yorkshiredude[/bold] wrote: I'm sure most people appreciate the sacrifices that service men and women, and their families made for us all without taking National Service. And I'm sure National Service wouldn't stop everyone being ****s either. I saw loads of poppy sellers out in Bradford last week, didn't sense anything bad would happen. I saw part of the Rememberance Parade in Bradford too and there was nothing wrong in the atmosphere. The incidents are awful, but there's no need for the negative obsession with race that seems to pervade every single article on here. Incidents like this should be dealt with properly, to show that the city will not take this. People burn poppies, or use armistice day as a reason to cause public disorder offences outside a pub - but society doesn't accept this. BE POSITIVE PEOPLE![/p][/quote]These are not isolated incidents by any means. Ask people who attended Bradford Uni wearing poppies last week. They got told in no uncertain terms to get them ( poppies) off. So you see this feeling is quite widespread amongst certain communities. WHY? We will always remember our brave soldiers NO MATTER WHAT. NO ONE CAN CHANGE THE HISTORY OF THIS COUNTRY.[/p][/quote]They seem to be isolated incidents, given the attention the local rag has given them and the amount of comments from people on here. I don't know anyone who attended Bradford Uni last week, so I can't ask them. I think its far more valuable to focus on doing something positive about a situation rather than blaming a group of people (the poor, foreigners etc). yorkshiredude
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7:56pm Tue 15 Nov 11

ravacity says...

smm3511 wrote:
bradmat wrote:
We would have been better off losing ww2
I agree, I would much prefer to have my grankids, niece's & nephew's speak German than Hindu or punjabi. It's a total disgrace what is going on at home these days especially in my beloved home town of Bradford. It's almost got to the point I don't want to come home for a visit anymore.
maybe your german speaking offspring could have been in charge of modern day gas chambers or a new gestapo
[quote][p][bold]smm3511[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]bradmat[/bold] wrote: We would have been better off losing ww2[/p][/quote]I agree, I would much prefer to have my grankids, niece's & nephew's speak German than Hindu or punjabi. It's a total disgrace what is going on at home these days especially in my beloved home town of Bradford. It's almost got to the point I don't want to come home for a visit anymore.[/p][/quote]maybe your german speaking offspring could have been in charge of modern day gas chambers or a new gestapo ravacity
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8:05pm Tue 15 Nov 11

smm3511 says...

yorkshiredude wrote:
Yorkshire Lass wrote:
yorkshiredude wrote:
I'm sure most people appreciate the sacrifices that service men and women, and their families made for us all without taking National Service. And I'm sure National Service wouldn't stop everyone being ****s either.

I saw loads of poppy sellers out in Bradford last week, didn't sense anything bad would happen. I saw part of the Rememberance Parade in Bradford too and there was nothing wrong in the atmosphere.

The incidents are awful, but there's no need for the negative obsession with race that seems to pervade every single article on here. Incidents like this should be dealt with properly, to show that the city will not take this. People burn poppies, or use armistice day as a reason to cause public disorder offences outside a pub - but society doesn't accept this. BE POSITIVE PEOPLE!
These are not isolated incidents by any means. Ask people who attended Bradford Uni wearing poppies last week. They got told in no uncertain terms to get them ( poppies) off. So you see this feeling is quite widespread amongst certain communities. WHY? We will always remember our brave soldiers NO MATTER WHAT. NO ONE CAN CHANGE THE HISTORY OF THIS COUNTRY.
They seem to be isolated incidents, given the attention the local rag has given them and the amount of comments from people on here. I don't know anyone who attended Bradford Uni last week, so I can't ask them. I think its far more valuable to focus on doing something positive about a situation rather than blaming a group of people (the poor, foreigners etc).
foreigners, your having a laugh arnt you, Im English born and bred moved to the USA 21 years ago as a foreigner and nobody ever gave me the time of day when I arrived over here. I've done everything on my own if your willing to work hard you will survive but out here mate if you arnt American you starve simple as that no free health care, dole, driving privillages over here so next time think on eh, they come they seek they recieve all the above and more.
[quote][p][bold]yorkshiredude[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Yorkshire Lass[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]yorkshiredude[/bold] wrote: I'm sure most people appreciate the sacrifices that service men and women, and their families made for us all without taking National Service. And I'm sure National Service wouldn't stop everyone being ****s either. I saw loads of poppy sellers out in Bradford last week, didn't sense anything bad would happen. I saw part of the Rememberance Parade in Bradford too and there was nothing wrong in the atmosphere. The incidents are awful, but there's no need for the negative obsession with race that seems to pervade every single article on here. Incidents like this should be dealt with properly, to show that the city will not take this. People burn poppies, or use armistice day as a reason to cause public disorder offences outside a pub - but society doesn't accept this. BE POSITIVE PEOPLE![/p][/quote]These are not isolated incidents by any means. Ask people who attended Bradford Uni wearing poppies last week. They got told in no uncertain terms to get them ( poppies) off. So you see this feeling is quite widespread amongst certain communities. WHY? We will always remember our brave soldiers NO MATTER WHAT. NO ONE CAN CHANGE THE HISTORY OF THIS COUNTRY.[/p][/quote]They seem to be isolated incidents, given the attention the local rag has given them and the amount of comments from people on here. I don't know anyone who attended Bradford Uni last week, so I can't ask them. I think its far more valuable to focus on doing something positive about a situation rather than blaming a group of people (the poor, foreigners etc).[/p][/quote]foreigners, your having a laugh arnt you, Im English born and bred moved to the USA 21 years ago as a foreigner and nobody ever gave me the time of day when I arrived over here. I've done everything on my own if your willing to work hard you will survive but out here mate if you arnt American you starve simple as that no free health care, dole, driving privillages over here so next time think on eh, they come they seek they recieve all the above and more. smm3511
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8:21pm Tue 15 Nov 11

rugger-tyke says...

smm3511 wrote:
bradmat wrote:
We would have been better off losing ww2
I agree, I would much prefer to have my grankids, niece's & nephew's speak German than Hindu or punjabi. It's a total disgrace what is going on at home these days especially in my beloved home town of Bradford. It's almost got to the point I don't want to come home for a visit anymore.
Hindi is more Aryan though . .
[quote][p][bold]smm3511[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]bradmat[/bold] wrote: We would have been better off losing ww2[/p][/quote]I agree, I would much prefer to have my grankids, niece's & nephew's speak German than Hindu or punjabi. It's a total disgrace what is going on at home these days especially in my beloved home town of Bradford. It's almost got to the point I don't want to come home for a visit anymore.[/p][/quote]Hindi is more Aryan though . . rugger-tyke
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8:27pm Tue 15 Nov 11

Willard says...

How did we get from the Royal British Legion, Remembrance day and poppies to trying to resurect the idiology behing the Third Reich. Are there a lot of mad people who post on here? We were giving out the poppies because of the sacrifice of our forefathers againt tyrany and intolerence. Parents, teach your children some respect, give them good manners and act as a role model in society, do your bit, work hard and give a bit back and hope that your kids mimic you and not these wanabe gangster rappers and drug dealers. That's it, I said it, blame the parents....monkey see, monkey do.
How did we get from the Royal British Legion, Remembrance day and poppies to trying to resurect the idiology behing the Third Reich. Are there a lot of mad people who post on here? We were giving out the poppies because of the sacrifice of our forefathers againt tyrany and intolerence. Parents, teach your children some respect, give them good manners and act as a role model in society, do your bit, work hard and give a bit back and hope that your kids mimic you and not these wanabe gangster rappers and drug dealers. That's it, I said it, blame the parents....monkey see, monkey do. Willard
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8:50pm Tue 15 Nov 11

oddshapedballs says...

smm3511 wrote:
bradmat wrote:
We would have been better off losing ww2
I agree, I would much prefer to have my grankids, niece's & nephew's speak German than Hindu or punjabi. It's a total disgrace what is going on at home these days especially in my beloved home town of Bradford. It's almost got to the point I don't want to come home for a visit anymore.
People who state this has become a race/racist thing YES you are right and why?? Because one race is wrecking this cit and causing the problems listed. I too would rather my grand kids speak german than whatever language bradfordians end up speaking.
[quote][p][bold]smm3511[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]bradmat[/bold] wrote: We would have been better off losing ww2[/p][/quote]I agree, I would much prefer to have my grankids, niece's & nephew's speak German than Hindu or punjabi. It's a total disgrace what is going on at home these days especially in my beloved home town of Bradford. It's almost got to the point I don't want to come home for a visit anymore.[/p][/quote]People who state this has become a race/racist thing YES you are right and why?? Because one race is wrecking this cit and causing the problems listed. I too would rather my grand kids speak german than whatever language bradfordians end up speaking. oddshapedballs
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9:04pm Tue 15 Nov 11

Willard says...

Oh I give in, that's it...get me a Bratwurst and a Panzer and call me Wilheim..alles Klar oder nicht wahr?
Oh I give in, that's it...get me a Bratwurst and a Panzer and call me Wilheim..alles Klar oder nicht wahr? Willard
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9:08pm Tue 15 Nov 11

The Straight talker says...

I just cant believe what i read on here sometimes. Everybody blaming this that or the other,come on people it's are own fault why this country is like it is.
We let this happen, cos we never stand together and fight to keep this country from breeding **** or letting in ignorant people that are only really here to bleed this country dry. we all moan and **** but we still let it go on. You try some of the things they do here in there country and see what happens.Its' about time we defended our own Land. Bradmat is right in alot of ways but we didnt lose,we decided to give it away abit to every other bloody country to ruin and break up into little communities so they could continue to run it there way dealing drugs,prostituting and funding it with the help of BRITISH money that our BRAVE forefathers fort and died for.It's about time this country grew some ball's and took this country back instead of trying to clean up other shitholes. Maybe then it could be as Great as it was once called and our forefathers could look down on it and be proud again.
But im afraid people that will never happen and this country will just get worst. GOD BLESS our brave past and present............
I just cant believe what i read on here sometimes. Everybody blaming this that or the other,come on people it's are own fault why this country is like it is. We let this happen, cos we never stand together and fight to keep this country from breeding **** or letting in ignorant people that are only really here to bleed this country dry. we all moan and **** but we still let it go on. You try some of the things they do here in there country and see what happens.Its' about time we defended our own Land. Bradmat is right in alot of ways but we didnt lose,we decided to give it away abit to every other bloody country to ruin and break up into little communities so they could continue to run it there way dealing drugs,prostituting and funding it with the help of BRITISH money that our BRAVE forefathers fort and died for.It's about time this country grew some ball's and took this country back instead of trying to clean up other shitholes. Maybe then it could be as Great as it was once called and our forefathers could look down on it and be proud again. But im afraid people that will never happen and this country will just get worst. GOD BLESS our brave past and present............ The Straight talker
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9:20pm Tue 15 Nov 11

yorkshiredude says...

smm3511 wrote:
yorkshiredude wrote:
Yorkshire Lass wrote:
yorkshiredude wrote:
I'm sure most people appreciate the sacrifices that service men and women, and their families made for us all without taking National Service. And I'm sure National Service wouldn't stop everyone being ****s either.

I saw loads of poppy sellers out in Bradford last week, didn't sense anything bad would happen. I saw part of the Rememberance Parade in Bradford too and there was nothing wrong in the atmosphere.

The incidents are awful, but there's no need for the negative obsession with race that seems to pervade every single article on here. Incidents like this should be dealt with properly, to show that the city will not take this. People burn poppies, or use armistice day as a reason to cause public disorder offences outside a pub - but society doesn't accept this. BE POSITIVE PEOPLE!
These are not isolated incidents by any means. Ask people who attended Bradford Uni wearing poppies last week. They got told in no uncertain terms to get them ( poppies) off. So you see this feeling is quite widespread amongst certain communities. WHY? We will always remember our brave soldiers NO MATTER WHAT. NO ONE CAN CHANGE THE HISTORY OF THIS COUNTRY.
They seem to be isolated incidents, given the attention the local rag has given them and the amount of comments from people on here. I don't know anyone who attended Bradford Uni last week, so I can't ask them. I think its far more valuable to focus on doing something positive about a situation rather than blaming a group of people (the poor, foreigners etc).
foreigners, your having a laugh arnt you, Im English born and bred moved to the USA 21 years ago as a foreigner and nobody ever gave me the time of day when I arrived over here. I've done everything on my own if your willing to work hard you will survive but out here mate if you arnt American you starve simple as that no free health care, dole, driving privillages over here so next time think on eh, they come they seek they recieve all the above and more.
Er, partly yes. What point are you trying to make exactly?
[quote][p][bold]smm3511[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]yorkshiredude[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Yorkshire Lass[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]yorkshiredude[/bold] wrote: I'm sure most people appreciate the sacrifices that service men and women, and their families made for us all without taking National Service. And I'm sure National Service wouldn't stop everyone being ****s either. I saw loads of poppy sellers out in Bradford last week, didn't sense anything bad would happen. I saw part of the Rememberance Parade in Bradford too and there was nothing wrong in the atmosphere. The incidents are awful, but there's no need for the negative obsession with race that seems to pervade every single article on here. Incidents like this should be dealt with properly, to show that the city will not take this. People burn poppies, or use armistice day as a reason to cause public disorder offences outside a pub - but society doesn't accept this. BE POSITIVE PEOPLE![/p][/quote]These are not isolated incidents by any means. Ask people who attended Bradford Uni wearing poppies last week. They got told in no uncertain terms to get them ( poppies) off. So you see this feeling is quite widespread amongst certain communities. WHY? We will always remember our brave soldiers NO MATTER WHAT. NO ONE CAN CHANGE THE HISTORY OF THIS COUNTRY.[/p][/quote]They seem to be isolated incidents, given the attention the local rag has given them and the amount of comments from people on here. I don't know anyone who attended Bradford Uni last week, so I can't ask them. I think its far more valuable to focus on doing something positive about a situation rather than blaming a group of people (the poor, foreigners etc).[/p][/quote]foreigners, your having a laugh arnt you, Im English born and bred moved to the USA 21 years ago as a foreigner and nobody ever gave me the time of day when I arrived over here. I've done everything on my own if your willing to work hard you will survive but out here mate if you arnt American you starve simple as that no free health care, dole, driving privillages over here so next time think on eh, they come they seek they recieve all the above and more.[/p][/quote]Er, partly yes. What point are you trying to make exactly? yorkshiredude
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9:54pm Tue 15 Nov 11

theoutsider says...

ravacity wrote:
smm3511 wrote:
bradmat wrote:
We would have been better off losing ww2
I agree, I would much prefer to have my grankids, niece's & nephew's speak German than Hindu or punjabi. It's a total disgrace what is going on at home these days especially in my beloved home town of Bradford. It's almost got to the point I don't want to come home for a visit anymore.
maybe your german speaking offspring could have been in charge of modern day gas chambers or a new gestapo
Great post 'odd shape' - but I have to ask why the T&A reporter thinks I need to know that 2 Asian poppy sellers were also abused ? - we dont need to know this all we need to know is that there was abuse perpitrated against poppy sellers by presumably Asian men. We dont need to know anything about the ethnicity of the poppy sellers white, black,christian, muslim who gives a toss - great on them because they were selling poppies and backing our forces against the supposed 'jihad'. The T&A have blantantely tried to 'balance' out the story with the 2 Asian girls - if these 2 girls were abused then it is their picture I want to see - because whoever was abused its totally unacceptable. But my guess is that this is the T&A trying to keep onside with the Asian community. If not I stand corrected and expect to see the 2 Asian girls on the front page tomorrow. As for the Germanisation of Bradford ?- the facts are that Hitler admired Bradford he loved the architecture and buildings in the Northern cities. When the Luftwafe bombed Bradford they did so with care - one fell on Lingards and one flew into the Wool exchange as I recall but very little else. Contrast that with the damage heaped on the City physically and culturally by successive City Hall leaders. Far better that the City followed German culture, language and example than the failed 'one landscape many colours' project that has wrecked a once proud Wool City.
[quote][p][bold]ravacity[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]smm3511[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]bradmat[/bold] wrote: We would have been better off losing ww2[/p][/quote]I agree, I would much prefer to have my grankids, niece's & nephew's speak German than Hindu or punjabi. It's a total disgrace what is going on at home these days especially in my beloved home town of Bradford. It's almost got to the point I don't want to come home for a visit anymore.[/p][/quote]maybe your german speaking offspring could have been in charge of modern day gas chambers or a new gestapo[/p][/quote]Great post 'odd shape' - but I have to ask why the T&A reporter thinks I need to know that 2 Asian poppy sellers were also abused ? - we dont need to know this all we need to know is that there was abuse perpitrated against poppy sellers by presumably Asian men. We dont need to know anything about the ethnicity of the poppy sellers white, black,christian, muslim who gives a toss - great on them because they were selling poppies and backing our forces against the supposed 'jihad'. The T&A have blantantely tried to 'balance' out the story with the 2 Asian girls - if these 2 girls were abused then it is their picture I want to see - because whoever was abused its totally unacceptable. But my guess is that this is the T&A trying to keep onside with the Asian community. If not I stand corrected and expect to see the 2 Asian girls on the front page tomorrow. As for the Germanisation of Bradford ?- the facts are that Hitler admired Bradford he loved the architecture and buildings in the Northern cities. When the Luftwafe bombed Bradford they did so with care - one fell on Lingards and one flew into the Wool exchange as I recall but very little else. Contrast that with the damage heaped on the City physically and culturally by successive City Hall leaders. Far better that the City followed German culture, language and example than the failed 'one landscape many colours' project that has wrecked a once proud Wool City. theoutsider
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9:58pm Tue 15 Nov 11

Oldwestbowling says...

Willard wrote:
How did we get from the Royal British Legion, Remembrance day and poppies to trying to resurect the idiology behing the Third Reich. Are there a lot of mad people who post on here? We were giving out the poppies because of the sacrifice of our forefathers againt tyrany and intolerence. Parents, teach your children some respect, give them good manners and act as a role model in society, do your bit, work hard and give a bit back and hope that your kids mimic you and not these wanabe gangster rappers and drug dealers. That's it, I said it, blame the parents....monkey see, monkey do.
Well said.
[quote][p][bold]Willard[/bold] wrote: How did we get from the Royal British Legion, Remembrance day and poppies to trying to resurect the idiology behing the Third Reich. Are there a lot of mad people who post on here? We were giving out the poppies because of the sacrifice of our forefathers againt tyrany and intolerence. Parents, teach your children some respect, give them good manners and act as a role model in society, do your bit, work hard and give a bit back and hope that your kids mimic you and not these wanabe gangster rappers and drug dealers. That's it, I said it, blame the parents....monkey see, monkey do.[/p][/quote]Well said. Oldwestbowling
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10:17pm Tue 15 Nov 11

smm3511 says...

Oldwestbowling wrote:
Willard wrote:
How did we get from the Royal British Legion, Remembrance day and poppies to trying to resurect the idiology behing the Third Reich. Are there a lot of mad people who post on here? We were giving out the poppies because of the sacrifice of our forefathers againt tyrany and intolerence. Parents, teach your children some respect, give them good manners and act as a role model in society, do your bit, work hard and give a bit back and hope that your kids mimic you and not these wanabe gangster rappers and drug dealers. That's it, I said it, blame the parents....monkey see, monkey do.
Well said.
well said my a---, bring back the cane in school, give back parents their rights to chestise their kids wheather in public or at home and bring back proper old fashioned policing. All these rights were taken away and this is what you are left with. I remember when u were afraid to misbehave in school because you had to pay for it and it was embarrasing for you to stand outside the headmasters office waiting to be punished, or my mother telling my father id been bad when he walked thru the door after a hard days work. It will never be as it was until you give back the people their rights
[quote][p][bold]Oldwestbowling[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Willard[/bold] wrote: How did we get from the Royal British Legion, Remembrance day and poppies to trying to resurect the idiology behing the Third Reich. Are there a lot of mad people who post on here? We were giving out the poppies because of the sacrifice of our forefathers againt tyrany and intolerence. Parents, teach your children some respect, give them good manners and act as a role model in society, do your bit, work hard and give a bit back and hope that your kids mimic you and not these wanabe gangster rappers and drug dealers. That's it, I said it, blame the parents....monkey see, monkey do.[/p][/quote]Well said.[/p][/quote]well said my a---, bring back the cane in school, give back parents their rights to chestise their kids wheather in public or at home and bring back proper old fashioned policing. All these rights were taken away and this is what you are left with. I remember when u were afraid to misbehave in school because you had to pay for it and it was embarrasing for you to stand outside the headmasters office waiting to be punished, or my mother telling my father id been bad when he walked thru the door after a hard days work. It will never be as it was until you give back the people their rights smm3511
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10:42pm Tue 15 Nov 11

Oldwestbowling says...

I think you need to re-read Willard's post. You are reiterating what he has said and yet you knock his post!
I think you need to re-read Willard's post. You are reiterating what he has said and yet you knock his post! Oldwestbowling
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11:31pm Tue 15 Nov 11

Patrick Bateman says...

According to the longer report in the printed T and A:

'One of them took a poppy from her box , spat on it and tried to give it her daughter before spitting at her three times, twice on her jacket and once on her cheek'.

'The suspects were aged about 12, Asian and wearing tracksuits and hoodies. Police are appealing for witnesses to the attack which happened at 3.45pm'

A spokesman for WY Police said, 'A 13 year old girl selling poppies was approached by three youmg males who became verbally abusive before spitting on her. Officers contacted the victim's mother andd CCTV enquiries are ongoing to trace those responsible.'

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The suspects were 'aged about 12'.

Twelve?? Truly chilling behaviour from ones so young. But who are feeding (programming?) them with such hate? And what should our response be?
According to the longer report in the printed T and A: 'One of them took a poppy from her box [i.e Mrs Holmes' daughter's], spat on it and tried to give it her daughter before spitting at her three times, twice on her jacket and once on her cheek'. 'The suspects were aged about 12, Asian and wearing tracksuits and hoodies. Police are appealing for witnesses to the attack which happened at 3.45pm' A spokesman for WY Police said, 'A 13 year old girl selling poppies was approached by three youmg males who became verbally abusive before spitting on her. Officers contacted the victim's mother andd CCTV enquiries are ongoing to trace those responsible.' -------------------- --------- The suspects were 'aged about 12'. Twelve?? Truly chilling behaviour from ones so young. But who are feeding (programming?) them with such hate? And what should our response be? Patrick Bateman
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11:42pm Tue 15 Nov 11

smm3511 says...

Oldwestbowling wrote:
I think you need to re-read Willard's post. You are reiterating what he has said and yet you knock his post!
kids now a days are wild not because their parents dont control them, it's because they cannot control them, parental rights have being taken away that was the point I was making. His post was monkey see, monkey do ???
[quote][p][bold]Oldwestbowling[/bold] wrote: I think you need to re-read Willard's post. You are reiterating what he has said and yet you knock his post![/p][/quote]kids now a days are wild not because their parents dont control them, it's because they cannot control them, parental rights have being taken away that was the point I was making. His post was monkey see, monkey do ??? smm3511
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11:43pm Tue 15 Nov 11

Patrick Bateman says...

I would add that it would be useful (and more responsible) if the T and A would print such controversial stories in full to stop unnecessary speculation about the perpetrators ethnicity etc (particularly if you are then going to allow people to comment on the story). We had a similar situation - i.e. a confusingly abridged report - with the incidents at St Bede's school which again caused a great deal of unnecessary speculation as to exactly what had occurred.
I would add that it would be useful (and more responsible) if the T and A would print such controversial stories in full to stop unnecessary speculation about the perpetrators ethnicity etc (particularly if you are then going to allow people to comment on the story). We had a similar situation - i.e. a confusingly abridged report - with the incidents at St Bede's school which again caused a great deal of unnecessary speculation as to exactly what had occurred. Patrick Bateman
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11:48pm Tue 15 Nov 11

BigFigure says...

I like the idea that the Luftwaffe bombed Bradford "with care"!!! Are you daft or what? And as for Hitler loving the architecture and buildings of the north....ask the people of Sheffield,Hull
and York about that....
I like the idea that the Luftwaffe bombed Bradford "with care"!!! Are you daft or what? And as for Hitler loving the architecture and buildings of the north....ask the people of Sheffield,Hull and York about that.... BigFigure
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1:00am Wed 16 Nov 11

mrs walker says...

Pro-Nazis on a thread about the poppy sellers being abused?? Oh the irony.
Pro-Nazis on a thread about the poppy sellers being abused?? Oh the irony. mrs walker
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6:23am Wed 16 Nov 11

Albion. says...

Ayesha. wrote:
theoutsider wrote:
ravacity wrote:
smm3511 wrote:
bradmat wrote: We would have been better off losing ww2
I agree, I would much prefer to have my grankids, niece's & nephew's speak German than Hindu or punjabi. It's a total disgrace what is going on at home these days especially in my beloved home town of Bradford. It's almost got to the point I don't want to come home for a visit anymore.
maybe your german speaking offspring could have been in charge of modern day gas chambers or a new gestapo
Great post 'odd shape' - but I have to ask why the T&A reporter thinks I need to know that 2 Asian poppy sellers were also abused ? - we dont need to know this all we need to know is that there was abuse perpitrated against poppy sellers by presumably Asian men. We dont need to know anything about the ethnicity of the poppy sellers white, black,christian, muslim who gives a toss - great on them because they were selling poppies and backing our forces against the supposed 'jihad'. The T&A have blantantely tried to 'balance' out the story with the 2 Asian girls - if these 2 girls were abused then it is their picture I want to see - because whoever was abused its totally unacceptable. But my guess is that this is the T&A trying to keep onside with the Asian community. If not I stand corrected and expect to see the 2 Asian girls on the front page tomorrow. As for the Germanisation of Bradford ?- the facts are that Hitler admired Bradford he loved the architecture and buildings in the Northern cities. When the Luftwafe bombed Bradford they did so with care - one fell on Lingards and one flew into the Wool exchange as I recall but very little else. Contrast that with the damage heaped on the City physically and culturally by successive City Hall leaders. Far better that the City followed German culture, language and example than the failed 'one landscape many colours' project that has wrecked a once proud Wool City.
i was actually one of the asian girls who was abused. you think the t&a would lie about this? me and my mate spent the whole day getting abuse for selling poppies and to be honest, we really don't care, we were doing a good thing and we don't care about what people think of us. we're not gonna be on the front page 'cause we don't want all the attention and abuse.
Very well done!
[quote][p][bold]Ayesha.[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]theoutsider[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]ravacity[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]smm3511[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]bradmat[/bold] wrote: We would have been better off losing ww2[/p][/quote]I agree, I would much prefer to have my grankids, niece's & nephew's speak German than Hindu or punjabi. It's a total disgrace what is going on at home these days especially in my beloved home town of Bradford. It's almost got to the point I don't want to come home for a visit anymore.[/p][/quote]maybe your german speaking offspring could have been in charge of modern day gas chambers or a new gestapo[/p][/quote]Great post 'odd shape' - but I have to ask why the T&A reporter thinks I need to know that 2 Asian poppy sellers were also abused ? - we dont need to know this all we need to know is that there was abuse perpitrated against poppy sellers by presumably Asian men. We dont need to know anything about the ethnicity of the poppy sellers white, black,christian, muslim who gives a toss - great on them because they were selling poppies and backing our forces against the supposed 'jihad'. The T&A have blantantely tried to 'balance' out the story with the 2 Asian girls - if these 2 girls were abused then it is their picture I want to see - because whoever was abused its totally unacceptable. But my guess is that this is the T&A trying to keep onside with the Asian community. If not I stand corrected and expect to see the 2 Asian girls on the front page tomorrow. As for the Germanisation of Bradford ?- the facts are that Hitler admired Bradford he loved the architecture and buildings in the Northern cities. When the Luftwafe bombed Bradford they did so with care - one fell on Lingards and one flew into the Wool exchange as I recall but very little else. Contrast that with the damage heaped on the City physically and culturally by successive City Hall leaders. Far better that the City followed German culture, language and example than the failed 'one landscape many colours' project that has wrecked a once proud Wool City.[/p][/quote]i was actually one of the asian girls who was abused. you think the t&a would lie about this? me and my mate spent the whole day getting abuse for selling poppies and to be honest, we really don't care, we were doing a good thing and we don't care about what people think of us. we're not gonna be on the front page 'cause we don't want all the attention and abuse.[/p][/quote]Very well done! Albion.
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8:20am Wed 16 Nov 11

greedyb4nkers says...

It is time now to put all race issues aside and treat scum as scum, regardless of colour, religion.etc. unacceptable behaviour by anyone should not be tolerated but because they can get away with it continues to happen, these people think they can abuse the system because the police will not do their jobs correctly and enforce the law , easy to take the 35K / yr and do very little
It is time now to put all race issues aside and treat scum as scum, regardless of colour, religion.etc. unacceptable behaviour by anyone should not be tolerated but because they can get away with it continues to happen, these people think they can abuse the system because the police will not do their jobs correctly and enforce the law , easy to take the 35K / yr and do very little greedyb4nkers
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8:23am Wed 16 Nov 11

Patrick Bateman says...

I see this story has now 'gone national'.

Another PR coup for Bradford. Not.
I see this story has now 'gone national'. Another PR coup for Bradford. Not. Patrick Bateman
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8:24am Wed 16 Nov 11

greedyb4nkers says...

Albion. wrote:
Ayesha. wrote:
theoutsider wrote:
ravacity wrote:
smm3511 wrote:
bradmat wrote: We would have been better off losing ww2
I agree, I would much prefer to have my grankids, niece's & nephew's speak German than Hindu or punjabi. It's a total disgrace what is going on at home these days especially in my beloved home town of Bradford. It's almost got to the point I don't want to come home for a visit anymore.
maybe your german speaking offspring could have been in charge of modern day gas chambers or a new gestapo
Great post 'odd shape' - but I have to ask why the T&A reporter thinks I need to know that 2 Asian poppy sellers were also abused ? - we dont need to know this all we need to know is that there was abuse perpitrated against poppy sellers by presumably Asian men. We dont need to know anything about the ethnicity of the poppy sellers white, black,christian, muslim who gives a toss - great on them because they were selling poppies and backing our forces against the supposed 'jihad'. The T&A have blantantely tried to 'balance' out the story with the 2 Asian girls - if these 2 girls were abused then it is their picture I want to see - because whoever was abused its totally unacceptable. But my guess is that this is the T&A trying to keep onside with the Asian community. If not I stand corrected and expect to see the 2 Asian girls on the front page tomorrow. As for the Germanisation of Bradford ?- the facts are that Hitler admired Bradford he loved the architecture and buildings in the Northern cities. When the Luftwafe bombed Bradford they did so with care - one fell on Lingards and one flew into the Wool exchange as I recall but very little else. Contrast that with the damage heaped on the City physically and culturally by successive City Hall leaders. Far better that the City followed German culture, language and example than the failed 'one landscape many colours' project that has wrecked a once proud Wool City.
i was actually one of the asian girls who was abused. you think the t&a would lie about this? me and my mate spent the whole day getting abuse for selling poppies and to be honest, we really don't care, we were doing a good thing and we don't care about what people think of us. we're not gonna be on the front page 'cause we don't want all the attention and abuse.
Very well done!
well actualy bradmat if you "don't want to come "home" your doing us all a favor !
[quote][p][bold]Albion.[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Ayesha.[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]theoutsider[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]ravacity[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]smm3511[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]bradmat[/bold] wrote: We would have been better off losing ww2[/p][/quote]I agree, I would much prefer to have my grankids, niece's & nephew's speak German than Hindu or punjabi. It's a total disgrace what is going on at home these days especially in my beloved home town of Bradford. It's almost got to the point I don't want to come home for a visit anymore.[/p][/quote]maybe your german speaking offspring could have been in charge of modern day gas chambers or a new gestapo[/p][/quote]Great post 'odd shape' - but I have to ask why the T&A reporter thinks I need to know that 2 Asian poppy sellers were also abused ? - we dont need to know this all we need to know is that there was abuse perpitrated against poppy sellers by presumably Asian men. We dont need to know anything about the ethnicity of the poppy sellers white, black,christian, muslim who gives a toss - great on them because they were selling poppies and backing our forces against the supposed 'jihad'. The T&A have blantantely tried to 'balance' out the story with the 2 Asian girls - if these 2 girls were abused then it is their picture I want to see - because whoever was abused its totally unacceptable. But my guess is that this is the T&A trying to keep onside with the Asian community. If not I stand corrected and expect to see the 2 Asian girls on the front page tomorrow. As for the Germanisation of Bradford ?- the facts are that Hitler admired Bradford he loved the architecture and buildings in the Northern cities. When the Luftwafe bombed Bradford they did so with care - one fell on Lingards and one flew into the Wool exchange as I recall but very little else. Contrast that with the damage heaped on the City physically and culturally by successive City Hall leaders. Far better that the City followed German culture, language and example than the failed 'one landscape many colours' project that has wrecked a once proud Wool City.[/p][/quote]i was actually one of the asian girls who was abused. you think the t&a would lie about this? me and my mate spent the whole day getting abuse for selling poppies and to be honest, we really don't care, we were doing a good thing and we don't care about what people think of us. we're not gonna be on the front page 'cause we don't want all the attention and abuse.[/p][/quote]Very well done![/p][/quote]well actualy bradmat if you "don't want to come "home" your doing us all a favor ! greedyb4nkers
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8:54am Wed 16 Nov 11

TirNaNog says...

smm3511 wrote:
Oldwestbowling wrote:
Willard wrote:
How did we get from the Royal British Legion, Remembrance day and poppies to trying to resurect the idiology behing the Third Reich. Are there a lot of mad people who post on here? We were giving out the poppies because of the sacrifice of our forefathers againt tyrany and intolerence. Parents, teach your children some respect, give them good manners and act as a role model in society, do your bit, work hard and give a bit back and hope that your kids mimic you and not these wanabe gangster rappers and drug dealers. That's it, I said it, blame the parents....monkey see, monkey do.
Well said.
well said my a---, bring back the cane in school, give back parents their rights to chestise their kids wheather in public or at home and bring back proper old fashioned policing. All these rights were taken away and this is what you are left with. I remember when u were afraid to misbehave in school because you had to pay for it and it was embarrasing for you to stand outside the headmasters office waiting to be punished, or my mother telling my father id been bad when he walked thru the door after a hard days work. It will never be as it was until you give back the people their rights
So you want the right to beat your children? You want teachers and Police to have the right to beat your children?
It appears to have worked wonders with you! Who was your English teacher - Richard Dunn? FFS!
[quote][p][bold]smm3511[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Oldwestbowling[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Willard[/bold] wrote: How did we get from the Royal British Legion, Remembrance day and poppies to trying to resurect the idiology behing the Third Reich. Are there a lot of mad people who post on here? We were giving out the poppies because of the sacrifice of our forefathers againt tyrany and intolerence. Parents, teach your children some respect, give them good manners and act as a role model in society, do your bit, work hard and give a bit back and hope that your kids mimic you and not these wanabe gangster rappers and drug dealers. That's it, I said it, blame the parents....monkey see, monkey do.[/p][/quote]Well said.[/p][/quote]well said my a---, bring back the cane in school, give back parents their rights to chestise their kids wheather in public or at home and bring back proper old fashioned policing. All these rights were taken away and this is what you are left with. I remember when u were afraid to misbehave in school because you had to pay for it and it was embarrasing for you to stand outside the headmasters office waiting to be punished, or my mother telling my father id been bad when he walked thru the door after a hard days work. It will never be as it was until you give back the people their rights[/p][/quote]So you want the right to beat your children? You want teachers and Police to have the right to beat your children? It appears to have worked wonders with you! Who was your English teacher - Richard Dunn? FFS! TirNaNog
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9:14am Wed 16 Nov 11

TirNaNog says...

Oakenshaw white wrote:
I brought this subject up on Sunday night in the comments section of another story and was accused by certain people of lying and that this dispicable event never happened and was also being accused of been a member of right wing groups because of my log in name (Leeds United fan that's what it refers to), i don't
see any of the people that had a go on Sunday on here now to apologise to me or even admitting they were wrong their silence is deafening.
I wasn't involved but on behalf of those who were - I am sorry you are a Leeds United fan! Better?
[quote][p][bold]Oakenshaw white[/bold] wrote: I brought this subject up on Sunday night in the comments section of another story and was accused by certain people of lying and that this dispicable event never happened and was also being accused of been a member of right wing groups because of my log in name (Leeds United fan that's what it refers to), i don't see any of the people that had a go on Sunday on here now to apologise to me or even admitting they were wrong their silence is deafening.[/p][/quote]I wasn't involved but on behalf of those who were - I am sorry you are a Leeds United fan! Better? TirNaNog
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9:48am Wed 16 Nov 11

Jos7764 says...

Personally I think the cadets what ever the colour of their skin looked very smart and did a brilliant job, makes you proud to be British.

As a parent I agree we have created monsters, in trying to give our children a better life, the clue is in the word 'give'. Its time the kids had to work for what they deserve, not be given.

When is this country/council going to stop 'giving' money to solve problems. Time to make the young work at something and make them 'proud' to have achieved something.
Personally I think the cadets what ever the colour of their skin looked very smart and did a brilliant job, makes you proud to be British. As a parent I agree we have created monsters, in trying to give our children a better life, the clue is in the word 'give'. Its time the kids had to work for what they deserve, not be given. When is this country/council going to stop 'giving' money to solve problems. Time to make the young work at something and make them 'proud' to have achieved something. Jos7764
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9:49am Wed 16 Nov 11

Prisoner Cell Block A says...

Up with the partridge wrote:
Keyser_Söze wrote:
Thee Voice of Reason wrote:
Keyser_Söze wrote: Look guys; it wasn't exactly clever to sell poppies in an area where the majority are against the war. . Come on; it ain't rocket science.
The poppy is taken from the battlefields of the first world war, and it remembers all our war dead. What some people feel about the more recent wars shouldn't even come into it.
The poppy is about freemasonry and the Iluminati. . Blood sacrifice.
Freemasonary and Iluminati?? What are you sniffing?
His own or brothers imported products!!
[quote][p][bold]Up with the partridge[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Keyser_Söze[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Thee Voice of Reason[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Keyser_Söze[/bold] wrote: Look guys; it wasn't exactly clever to sell poppies in an area where the majority are against the war. . Come on; it ain't rocket science.[/p][/quote]The poppy is taken from the battlefields of the first world war, and it remembers all our war dead. What some people feel about the more recent wars shouldn't even come into it.[/p][/quote]The poppy is about freemasonry and the Iluminati. . Blood sacrifice.[/p][/quote]Freemasonary and Iluminati?? What are you sniffing?[/p][/quote]His own or brothers imported products!! Prisoner Cell Block A
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9:55am Wed 16 Nov 11

Vaikona says...

greedyb4nkers wrote:
Albion. wrote:
Ayesha. wrote:
theoutsider wrote:
ravacity wrote:
smm3511 wrote:
bradmat wrote: We would have been better off losing ww2
I agree, I would much prefer to have my grankids, niece's & nephew's speak German than Hindu or punjabi. It's a total disgrace what is going on at home these days especially in my beloved home town of Bradford. It's almost got to the point I don't want to come home for a visit anymore.
maybe your german speaking offspring could have been in charge of modern day gas chambers or a new gestapo
Great post 'odd shape' - but I have to ask why the T&A reporter thinks I need to know that 2 Asian poppy sellers were also abused ? - we dont need to know this all we need to know is that there was abuse perpitrated against poppy sellers by presumably Asian men. We dont need to know anything about the ethnicity of the poppy sellers white, black,christian, muslim who gives a toss - great on them because they were selling poppies and backing our forces against the supposed 'jihad'. The T&A have blantantely tried to 'balance' out the story with the 2 Asian girls - if these 2 girls were abused then it is their picture I want to see - because whoever was abused its totally unacceptable. But my guess is that this is the T&A trying to keep onside with the Asian community. If not I stand corrected and expect to see the 2 Asian girls on the front page tomorrow. As for the Germanisation of Bradford ?- the facts are that Hitler admired Bradford he loved the architecture and buildings in the Northern cities. When the Luftwafe bombed Bradford they did so with care - one fell on Lingards and one flew into the Wool exchange as I recall but very little else. Contrast that with the damage heaped on the City physically and culturally by successive City Hall leaders. Far better that the City followed German culture, language and example than the failed 'one landscape many colours' project that has wrecked a once proud Wool City.
i was actually one of the asian girls who was abused. you think the t&a would lie about this? me and my mate spent the whole day getting abuse for selling poppies and to be honest, we really don't care, we were doing a good thing and we don't care about what people think of us. we're not gonna be on the front page 'cause we don't want all the attention and abuse.
Very well done!
well actualy bradmat if you "don't want to come "home" your doing us all a favor !
Well said Ayesha..
All the Cadets looked smart, were very pleasant and did a great job on the day. you did Bradford and the Poppy Appeal proud.
keep up the good work.
[quote][p][bold]greedyb4nkers[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Albion.[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Ayesha.[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]theoutsider[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]ravacity[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]smm3511[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]bradmat[/bold] wrote: We would have been better off losing ww2[/p][/quote]I agree, I would much prefer to have my grankids, niece's & nephew's speak German than Hindu or punjabi. It's a total disgrace what is going on at home these days especially in my beloved home town of Bradford. It's almost got to the point I don't want to come home for a visit anymore.[/p][/quote]maybe your german speaking offspring could have been in charge of modern day gas chambers or a new gestapo[/p][/quote]Great post 'odd shape' - but I have to ask why the T&A reporter thinks I need to know that 2 Asian poppy sellers were also abused ? - we dont need to know this all we need to know is that there was abuse perpitrated against poppy sellers by presumably Asian men. We dont need to know anything about the ethnicity of the poppy sellers white, black,christian, muslim who gives a toss - great on them because they were selling poppies and backing our forces against the supposed 'jihad'. The T&A have blantantely tried to 'balance' out the story with the 2 Asian girls - if these 2 girls were abused then it is their picture I want to see - because whoever was abused its totally unacceptable. But my guess is that this is the T&A trying to keep onside with the Asian community. If not I stand corrected and expect to see the 2 Asian girls on the front page tomorrow. As for the Germanisation of Bradford ?- the facts are that Hitler admired Bradford he loved the architecture and buildings in the Northern cities. When the Luftwafe bombed Bradford they did so with care - one fell on Lingards and one flew into the Wool exchange as I recall but very little else. Contrast that with the damage heaped on the City physically and culturally by successive City Hall leaders. Far better that the City followed German culture, language and example than the failed 'one landscape many colours' project that has wrecked a once proud Wool City.[/p][/quote]i was actually one of the asian girls who was abused. you think the t&a would lie about this? me and my mate spent the whole day getting abuse for selling poppies and to be honest, we really don't care, we were doing a good thing and we don't care about what people think of us. we're not gonna be on the front page 'cause we don't want all the attention and abuse.[/p][/quote]Very well done![/p][/quote]well actualy bradmat if you "don't want to come "home" your doing us all a favor ![/p][/quote]Well said Ayesha.. All the Cadets looked smart, were very pleasant and did a great job on the day. you did Bradford and the Poppy Appeal proud. keep up the good work. Vaikona
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10:17am Wed 16 Nov 11

fotoman says...

I wonder if any of the intrepid reporters in the T&A are having any luck in tracking down these scum. Or does this not fit into the T&As agenda?
Or maybe even the boys in blue might have thought of looking through the forest of CCTV cameras. Just a tip lads - these cameras could hold a clue to their identity.
Anyone offering odds on these pieces of effluent being caught, by the way? This being Bradford I think the odds are pretty long
I wonder if any of the intrepid reporters in the T&A are having any luck in tracking down these scum. Or does this not fit into the T&As agenda? Or maybe even the boys in blue might have thought of looking through the forest of CCTV cameras. Just a tip lads - these cameras could hold a clue to their identity. Anyone offering odds on these pieces of effluent being caught, by the way? This being Bradford I think the odds are pretty long fotoman
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10:37am Wed 16 Nov 11

bcfc1903 says...

This seems a lot of hot air regarding a couple of isolated incidents. The abusing of poppy sellers whatever their skin pigmentation cannot be excetable. I don't think these incidents represent the feelings of 99.9% of people living in the City of Bradford. Take Naveeda Ikram our superb Lord Mayor , what an absolute credit to the city she is. Her speech at the 4th Paras freedom of the City of Bradford parade a week last Sunday was quite brilliant, well done Naveeda, a superb role model for all Bradfordians.

*

Regarding Bradford's German history, Bradford of course had a large German community in the mid 19th and early 20th century, i've no idea if Hitler was a fan, hopefully not, but he wasn't a fan of Jewish people was he, the very people who were the major developers of the town and then city of Bradford, their textile export houses in Little Germany were the main players in bringing great wealth to Bradford, making it one of the richest City's in Europe around 1900 to 1910, who knows what would have happened if the first world war had not occured.
This seems a lot of hot air regarding a couple of isolated incidents. The abusing of poppy sellers whatever their skin pigmentation cannot be excetable. I don't think these incidents represent the feelings of 99.9% of people living in the City of Bradford. Take Naveeda Ikram our superb Lord Mayor , what an absolute credit to the city she is. Her speech at the 4th Paras freedom of the City of Bradford parade a week last Sunday was quite brilliant, well done Naveeda, a superb role model for all Bradfordians. * Regarding Bradford's German history, Bradford of course had a large German community in the mid 19th and early 20th century, i've no idea if Hitler was a fan, hopefully not, but he wasn't a fan of Jewish people was he, the very people who were the major developers of the town and then city of Bradford, their textile export houses in Little Germany were the main players in bringing great wealth to Bradford, making it one of the richest City's in Europe around 1900 to 1910, who knows what would have happened if the first world war had not occured. bcfc1903
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11:05am Wed 16 Nov 11

Apollo says...

bcfc1903 wrote:
This seems a lot of hot air regarding a couple of isolated incidents. The abusing of poppy sellers whatever their skin pigmentation cannot be excetable. I don't think these incidents represent the feelings of 99.9% of people living in the City of Bradford. Take Naveeda Ikram our superb Lord Mayor , what an absolute credit to the city she is. Her speech at the 4th Paras freedom of the City of Bradford parade a week last Sunday was quite brilliant, well done Naveeda, a superb role model for all Bradfordians. * Regarding Bradford's German history, Bradford of course had a large German community in the mid 19th and early 20th century, i've no idea if Hitler was a fan, hopefully not, but he wasn't a fan of Jewish people was he, the very people who were the major developers of the town and then city of Bradford, their textile export houses in Little Germany were the main players in bringing great wealth to Bradford, making it one of the richest City's in Europe around 1900 to 1910, who knows what would have happened if the first world war had not occured.
The Germans were at least on a par in terms of background, religion, history, economic development etc. with the English both at that time and since.

Obviously our politics diverged considerably in the 1930s and right through to 1945.

The problem with the current wave of immigrants and their disgusting offspring is that they share non of these aspects of shared culture, religion or economic background.

In truth they have never wanted to integrate into Western ways of life - preferring to maintain a rosy view of village life in a backwards part of Pakistan.

We now reap the benefits of allowing this in terms of increasingly becoming dragged down to the Third World.

Where were the parents of the 12 years old who were abusing poppy sellers and in doing so bringing great shame upon their families?

When they are caught (and even the useless Police of Bradford should be able to do that) I hope they are brought before thier parents so the shame can be felt.
[quote][p][bold]bcfc1903[/bold] wrote: This seems a lot of hot air regarding a couple of isolated incidents. The abusing of poppy sellers whatever their skin pigmentation cannot be excetable. I don't think these incidents represent the feelings of 99.9% of people living in the City of Bradford. Take Naveeda Ikram our superb Lord Mayor , what an absolute credit to the city she is. Her speech at the 4th Paras freedom of the City of Bradford parade a week last Sunday was quite brilliant, well done Naveeda, a superb role model for all Bradfordians. * Regarding Bradford's German history, Bradford of course had a large German community in the mid 19th and early 20th century, i've no idea if Hitler was a fan, hopefully not, but he wasn't a fan of Jewish people was he, the very people who were the major developers of the town and then city of Bradford, their textile export houses in Little Germany were the main players in bringing great wealth to Bradford, making it one of the richest City's in Europe around 1900 to 1910, who knows what would have happened if the first world war had not occured.[/p][/quote]The Germans were at least on a par in terms of background, religion, history, economic development etc. with the English both at that time and since. Obviously our politics diverged considerably in the 1930s and right through to 1945. The problem with the current wave of immigrants and their disgusting offspring is that they share non of these aspects of shared culture, religion or economic background. In truth they have never wanted to integrate into Western ways of life - preferring to maintain a rosy view of village life in a backwards part of Pakistan. We now reap the benefits of allowing this in terms of increasingly becoming dragged down to the Third World. Where were the parents of the 12 years old who were abusing poppy sellers and in doing so bringing great shame upon their families? When they are caught (and even the useless Police of Bradford should be able to do that) I hope they are brought before thier parents so the shame can be felt. Apollo
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11:45am Wed 16 Nov 11

bcfc1903 says...

Apollo wrote:
bcfc1903 wrote:
This seems a lot of hot air regarding a couple of isolated incidents. The abusing of poppy sellers whatever their skin pigmentation cannot be excetable. I don't think these incidents represent the feelings of 99.9% of people living in the City of Bradford. Take Naveeda Ikram our superb Lord Mayor , what an absolute credit to the city she is. Her speech at the 4th Paras freedom of the City of Bradford parade a week last Sunday was quite brilliant, well done Naveeda, a superb role model for all Bradfordians. * Regarding Bradford's German history, Bradford of course had a large German community in the mid 19th and early 20th century, i've no idea if Hitler was a fan, hopefully not, but he wasn't a fan of Jewish people was he, the very people who were the major developers of the town and then city of Bradford, their textile export houses in Little Germany were the main players in bringing great wealth to Bradford, making it one of the richest City's in Europe around 1900 to 1910, who knows what would have happened if the first world war had not occured.
The Germans were at least on a par in terms of background, religion, history, economic development etc. with the English both at that time and since.

Obviously our politics diverged considerably in the 1930s and right through to 1945.

The problem with the current wave of immigrants and their disgusting offspring is that they share non of these aspects of shared culture, religion or economic background.

In truth they have never wanted to integrate into Western ways of life - preferring to maintain a rosy view of village life in a backwards part of Pakistan.

We now reap the benefits of allowing this in terms of increasingly becoming dragged down to the Third World.

Where were the parents of the 12 years old who were abusing poppy sellers and in doing so bringing great shame upon their families?

When they are caught (and even the useless Police of Bradford should be able to do that) I hope they are brought before thier parents so the shame can be felt.
The German Jews had been descriminated against in Germany, and found far more freedom to trade in Bradford than in their country of birth.

*
For starters, they're not disgusting offspring, what sort of description is that, deary me. Yes, there are some people who seem to need a helping hand in regards to the basics of showing respect. You can't make a sweeping statements regarding where those originate from, there are many many folk of Pakistani decent who are doing great work in bringing wealth to the City of Bradford, there will be others that are not, but you can say that about all Bradford folk where ever they originated from. Yes , there are problems with that culture integrating into the western way of life , but given time, i believe it will happen, and is happening now. To paint a broad picture on the back of a couple of despicable incidents is not being fair to the vast majority of folk that are decent law abiding citizens of Bradford.
[quote][p][bold]Apollo[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]bcfc1903[/bold] wrote: This seems a lot of hot air regarding a couple of isolated incidents. The abusing of poppy sellers whatever their skin pigmentation cannot be excetable. I don't think these incidents represent the feelings of 99.9% of people living in the City of Bradford. Take Naveeda Ikram our superb Lord Mayor , what an absolute credit to the city she is. Her speech at the 4th Paras freedom of the City of Bradford parade a week last Sunday was quite brilliant, well done Naveeda, a superb role model for all Bradfordians. * Regarding Bradford's German history, Bradford of course had a large German community in the mid 19th and early 20th century, i've no idea if Hitler was a fan, hopefully not, but he wasn't a fan of Jewish people was he, the very people who were the major developers of the town and then city of Bradford, their textile export houses in Little Germany were the main players in bringing great wealth to Bradford, making it one of the richest City's in Europe around 1900 to 1910, who knows what would have happened if the first world war had not occured.[/p][/quote]The Germans were at least on a par in terms of background, religion, history, economic development etc. with the English both at that time and since. Obviously our politics diverged considerably in the 1930s and right through to 1945. The problem with the current wave of immigrants and their disgusting offspring is that they share non of these aspects of shared culture, religion or economic background. In truth they have never wanted to integrate into Western ways of life - preferring to maintain a rosy view of village life in a backwards part of Pakistan. We now reap the benefits of allowing this in terms of increasingly becoming dragged down to the Third World. Where were the parents of the 12 years old who were abusing poppy sellers and in doing so bringing great shame upon their families? When they are caught (and even the useless Police of Bradford should be able to do that) I hope they are brought before thier parents so the shame can be felt.[/p][/quote]The German Jews had been descriminated against in Germany, and found far more freedom to trade in Bradford than in their country of birth. * For starters, they're not disgusting offspring, what sort of description is that, deary me. Yes, there are some people who seem to need a helping hand in regards to the basics of showing respect. You can't make a sweeping statements regarding where those originate from, there are many many folk of Pakistani decent who are doing great work in bringing wealth to the City of Bradford, there will be others that are not, but you can say that about all Bradford folk where ever they originated from. Yes , there are problems with that culture integrating into the western way of life , but given time, i believe it will happen, and is happening now. To paint a broad picture on the back of a couple of despicable incidents is not being fair to the vast majority of folk that are decent law abiding citizens of Bradford. bcfc1903
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12:34pm Wed 16 Nov 11

Lizzydripping says...

Clowny wrote:
rugger-tyke wrote:
angry bradfordian wrote:
We should be able to see if the ocean of CCTV cameras in the city centre are of any use then?
Indeed, why did the Police not intervene ?? . .
Only 1/3rd of the cameras in Bradford are displayed at any one time (meaning 2/3rds are not even being watched) of that 1/3rd it’s down to the operator simply by chance to spot an incident on any one of about 50 monitors. None of the cameras are auto rotated to capture the entire scene and they’re left for hours or days on end at default angles and zooms. To cut costs often there is a single CCTV covering a 360% space whilst only monitoring less than 90% of that. The odds of being seen whilst being assaulted or worse are 1000’s to 1.
Thank you for this information. I have been naively attending the Bradford theatres for years believing that my journeys from the car parks (including the underpass from Jacob's Well to the library) have been covered by an excellent CCTV network. I should have known better in this once proud city that is now a dump. Beam me up Scotty!
[quote][p][bold]Clowny[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]rugger-tyke[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]angry bradfordian[/bold] wrote: We should be able to see if the ocean of CCTV cameras in the city centre are of any use then?[/p][/quote]Indeed, why did the Police not intervene ?? . .[/p][/quote]Only 1/3rd of the cameras in Bradford are displayed at any one time (meaning 2/3rds are not even being watched) of that 1/3rd it’s down to the operator simply by chance to spot an incident on any one of about 50 monitors. None of the cameras are auto rotated to capture the entire scene and they’re left for hours or days on end at default angles and zooms. To cut costs often there is a single CCTV covering a 360% space whilst only monitoring less than 90% of that. The odds of being seen whilst being assaulted or worse are 1000’s to 1.[/p][/quote]Thank you for this information. I have been naively attending the Bradford theatres for years believing that my journeys from the car parks (including the underpass from Jacob's Well to the library) have been covered by an excellent CCTV network. I should have known better in this once proud city that is now a dump. Beam me up Scotty! Lizzydripping
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12:34pm Wed 16 Nov 11

Lizzydripping says...

Clowny wrote:
rugger-tyke wrote:
angry bradfordian wrote:
We should be able to see if the ocean of CCTV cameras in the city centre are of any use then?
Indeed, why did the Police not intervene ?? . .
Only 1/3rd of the cameras in Bradford are displayed at any one time (meaning 2/3rds are not even being watched) of that 1/3rd it’s down to the operator simply by chance to spot an incident on any one of about 50 monitors. None of the cameras are auto rotated to capture the entire scene and they’re left for hours or days on end at default angles and zooms. To cut costs often there is a single CCTV covering a 360% space whilst only monitoring less than 90% of that. The odds of being seen whilst being assaulted or worse are 1000’s to 1.
Thank you for this information. I have been naively attending the Bradford theatres for years believing that my journeys from the car parks (including the underpass from Jacob's Well to the library) have been covered by an excellent CCTV network. I should have known better in this once proud city that is now a dump. Beam me up Scotty!
[quote][p][bold]Clowny[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]rugger-tyke[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]angry bradfordian[/bold] wrote: We should be able to see if the ocean of CCTV cameras in the city centre are of any use then?[/p][/quote]Indeed, why did the Police not intervene ?? . .[/p][/quote]Only 1/3rd of the cameras in Bradford are displayed at any one time (meaning 2/3rds are not even being watched) of that 1/3rd it’s down to the operator simply by chance to spot an incident on any one of about 50 monitors. None of the cameras are auto rotated to capture the entire scene and they’re left for hours or days on end at default angles and zooms. To cut costs often there is a single CCTV covering a 360% space whilst only monitoring less than 90% of that. The odds of being seen whilst being assaulted or worse are 1000’s to 1.[/p][/quote]Thank you for this information. I have been naively attending the Bradford theatres for years believing that my journeys from the car parks (including the underpass from Jacob's Well to the library) have been covered by an excellent CCTV network. I should have known better in this once proud city that is now a dump. Beam me up Scotty! Lizzydripping
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1:20pm Wed 16 Nov 11

Wanpablo says...

This is absolutly disgusting, These people should be thrown out of our country, I am not a racist but the way things are going the people who are NOT racist will eventually turn because they are being pushed into it by arrogant abusive Muslims (not indians they have respect) who have no consideration for the people who gave them the life style they have today! It has nothing to do with Race it is all about respect ? I personally feel like a second class citizen in my own town. every day it is getting worse and only reason we will not stop immigration is because the people in power of this country will stop getting the votes to stay in power but that is irrelevant black,white, muslim indian chinese polish I dont care show me respect and I will return the favour but I warn that most people that think like me will change how they think and there will be a revolution mark my words I just hope I am not here when that day comes! Respect to the two young asian girls who had the courage to understand and appreciate what our ancesters have done for our once fine country
This is absolutly disgusting, These people should be thrown out of our country, I am not a racist but the way things are going the people who are NOT racist will eventually turn because they are being pushed into it by arrogant abusive Muslims (not indians they have respect) who have no consideration for the people who gave them the life style they have today! It has nothing to do with Race it is all about respect ? I personally feel like a second class citizen in my own town. every day it is getting worse and only reason we will not stop immigration is because the people in power of this country will stop getting the votes to stay in power but that is irrelevant black,white, muslim indian chinese polish I dont care show me respect and I will return the favour but I warn that most people that think like me will change how they think and there will be a revolution mark my words I just hope I am not here when that day comes! Respect to the two young asian girls who had the courage to understand and appreciate what our ancesters have done for our once fine country Wanpablo
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3:14pm Wed 16 Nov 11

yorkshiredude says...

Ooooh, someone actually said 'I'm not a racist, but...'
Ooooh, someone actually said 'I'm not a racist, but...' yorkshiredude
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3:25pm Wed 16 Nov 11

Keyser_Söze says...

Patrick Bateman wrote:
According to the longer report in the printed T and A:

'One of them took a poppy from her box , spat on it and tried to give it her daughter before spitting at her three times, twice on her jacket and once on her cheek'.

'The suspects were aged about 12, Asian and wearing tracksuits and hoodies. Police are appealing for witnesses to the attack which happened at 3.45pm'

A spokesman for WY Police said, 'A 13 year old girl selling poppies was approached by three youmg males who became verbally abusive before spitting on her. Officers contacted the victim's mother andd CCTV enquiries are ongoing to trace those responsible.'

--------------------
---------

The suspects were 'aged about 12'.

Twelve?? Truly chilling behaviour from ones so young. But who are feeding (programming?) them with such hate? And what should our response be?
The BNP/EDL, that's who.
.
Smash both organisations; smash racism; smash fascism.
[quote][p][bold]Patrick Bateman[/bold] wrote: According to the longer report in the printed T and A: 'One of them took a poppy from her box [i.e Mrs Holmes' daughter's], spat on it and tried to give it her daughter before spitting at her three times, twice on her jacket and once on her cheek'. 'The suspects were aged about 12, Asian and wearing tracksuits and hoodies. Police are appealing for witnesses to the attack which happened at 3.45pm' A spokesman for WY Police said, 'A 13 year old girl selling poppies was approached by three youmg males who became verbally abusive before spitting on her. Officers contacted the victim's mother andd CCTV enquiries are ongoing to trace those responsible.' -------------------- --------- The suspects were 'aged about 12'. Twelve?? Truly chilling behaviour from ones so young. But who are feeding (programming?) them with such hate? And what should our response be?[/p][/quote]The BNP/EDL, that's who. . Smash both organisations; smash racism; smash fascism. Keyser_Söze
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4:13pm Wed 16 Nov 11

rugger-tyke says...

Wanpablo wrote:
This is absolutly disgusting, These people should be thrown out of our country, I am not a racist but the way things are going the people who are NOT racist will eventually turn because they are being pushed into it by arrogant abusive Muslims (not indians they have respect) who have no consideration for the people who gave them the life style they have today! It has nothing to do with Race it is all about respect ? I personally feel like a second class citizen in my own town. every day it is getting worse and only reason we will not stop immigration is because the people in power of this country will stop getting the votes to stay in power but that is irrelevant black,white, muslim indian chinese polish I dont care show me respect and I will return the favour but I warn that most people that think like me will change how they think and there will be a revolution mark my words I just hope I am not here when that day comes! Respect to the two young asian girls who had the courage to understand and appreciate what our ancesters have done for our once fine country
Muslims (not indians they have respect)

Didn't realise Muslim was an ethnicity/nationalit
y, thanks for the enlightenment.
[quote][p][bold]Wanpablo[/bold] wrote: This is absolutly disgusting, These people should be thrown out of our country, I am not a racist but the way things are going the people who are NOT racist will eventually turn because they are being pushed into it by arrogant abusive Muslims (not indians they have respect) who have no consideration for the people who gave them the life style they have today! It has nothing to do with Race it is all about respect ? I personally feel like a second class citizen in my own town. every day it is getting worse and only reason we will not stop immigration is because the people in power of this country will stop getting the votes to stay in power but that is irrelevant black,white, muslim indian chinese polish I dont care show me respect and I will return the favour but I warn that most people that think like me will change how they think and there will be a revolution mark my words I just hope I am not here when that day comes! Respect to the two young asian girls who had the courage to understand and appreciate what our ancesters have done for our once fine country[/p][/quote]Muslims (not indians they have respect) Didn't realise Muslim was an ethnicity/nationalit y, thanks for the enlightenment. rugger-tyke
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4:13pm Wed 16 Nov 11

rugger-tyke says...

Wanpablo wrote:
This is absolutly disgusting, These people should be thrown out of our country, I am not a racist but the way things are going the people who are NOT racist will eventually turn because they are being pushed into it by arrogant abusive Muslims (not indians they have respect) who have no consideration for the people who gave them the life style they have today! It has nothing to do with Race it is all about respect ? I personally feel like a second class citizen in my own town. every day it is getting worse and only reason we will not stop immigration is because the people in power of this country will stop getting the votes to stay in power but that is irrelevant black,white, muslim indian chinese polish I dont care show me respect and I will return the favour but I warn that most people that think like me will change how they think and there will be a revolution mark my words I just hope I am not here when that day comes! Respect to the two young asian girls who had the courage to understand and appreciate what our ancesters have done for our once fine country
Muslims (not indians they have respect)

Didn't realise Muslim was an ethnicity/nationalit
y, thanks for the enlightenment.
[quote][p][bold]Wanpablo[/bold] wrote: This is absolutly disgusting, These people should be thrown out of our country, I am not a racist but the way things are going the people who are NOT racist will eventually turn because they are being pushed into it by arrogant abusive Muslims (not indians they have respect) who have no consideration for the people who gave them the life style they have today! It has nothing to do with Race it is all about respect ? I personally feel like a second class citizen in my own town. every day it is getting worse and only reason we will not stop immigration is because the people in power of this country will stop getting the votes to stay in power but that is irrelevant black,white, muslim indian chinese polish I dont care show me respect and I will return the favour but I warn that most people that think like me will change how they think and there will be a revolution mark my words I just hope I am not here when that day comes! Respect to the two young asian girls who had the courage to understand and appreciate what our ancesters have done for our once fine country[/p][/quote]Muslims (not indians they have respect) Didn't realise Muslim was an ethnicity/nationalit y, thanks for the enlightenment. rugger-tyke
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4:14pm Wed 16 Nov 11

rugger-tyke says...

Muslims (not indians they have respect)

Didn't realise Muslim was an ethnicity/nationalit
y, thanks for the enlightenment.
Muslims (not indians they have respect) Didn't realise Muslim was an ethnicity/nationalit y, thanks for the enlightenment. rugger-tyke
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4:40pm Wed 16 Nov 11

Clowny says...

Lizzydripping wrote:
Clowny wrote:
rugger-tyke wrote:
angry bradfordian wrote:
We should be able to see if the ocean of CCTV cameras in the city centre are of any use then?
Indeed, why did the Police not intervene ?? . .
Only 1/3rd of the cameras in Bradford are displayed at any one time (meaning 2/3rds are not even being watched) of that 1/3rd it’s down to the operator simply by chance to spot an incident on any one of about 50 monitors. None of the cameras are auto rotated to capture the entire scene and they’re left for hours or days on end at default angles and zooms. To cut costs often there is a single CCTV covering a 360% space whilst only monitoring less than 90% of that. The odds of being seen whilst being assaulted or worse are 1000’s to 1.
Thank you for this information. I have been naively attending the Bradford theatres for years believing that my journeys from the car parks (including the underpass from Jacob's Well to the library) have been covered by an excellent CCTV network. I should have known better in this once proud city that is now a dump. Beam me up Scotty!
Keep yourself visible, as your best bet if in trouble is to have witnesses to call 999.
.
The CCTV is only monitored specifically after a 999 call has been made, which is often far too late to capture the incident or those involved. It can take 5 minutes from calling 999, explaining the incident, before the camera operators are even told of an incident.
.
Most if not all of the CCTV you'll see published on the West Yorkshire police site is taken from private CCTV systems.
.
For the council system to be effective, It would require many of the cameras and the recording software to be updated to be anything near useful. Automated sound monitoring to pick up arguments, screams and glass smashing, along with rotating, tracking and often megapixel cameras are used in other cities especially in Europe, alas the Bradford system is utilised in an old fashioned 1990’s style using analogue cameras, treating cameras as static and being reliant on too little manpower to monitor the system.
[quote][p][bold]Lizzydripping[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Clowny[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]rugger-tyke[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]angry bradfordian[/bold] wrote: We should be able to see if the ocean of CCTV cameras in the city centre are of any use then?[/p][/quote]Indeed, why did the Police not intervene ?? . .[/p][/quote]Only 1/3rd of the cameras in Bradford are displayed at any one time (meaning 2/3rds are not even being watched) of that 1/3rd it’s down to the operator simply by chance to spot an incident on any one of about 50 monitors. None of the cameras are auto rotated to capture the entire scene and they’re left for hours or days on end at default angles and zooms. To cut costs often there is a single CCTV covering a 360% space whilst only monitoring less than 90% of that. The odds of being seen whilst being assaulted or worse are 1000’s to 1.[/p][/quote]Thank you for this information. I have been naively attending the Bradford theatres for years believing that my journeys from the car parks (including the underpass from Jacob's Well to the library) have been covered by an excellent CCTV network. I should have known better in this once proud city that is now a dump. Beam me up Scotty![/p][/quote]Keep yourself visible, as your best bet if in trouble is to have witnesses to call 999. . The CCTV is only monitored specifically after a 999 call has been made, which is often far too late to capture the incident or those involved. It can take 5 minutes from calling 999, explaining the incident, before the camera operators are even told of an incident. . Most if not all of the CCTV you'll see published on the West Yorkshire police site is taken from private CCTV systems. . For the council system to be effective, It would require many of the cameras and the recording software to be updated to be anything near useful. Automated sound monitoring to pick up arguments, screams and glass smashing, along with rotating, tracking and often megapixel cameras are used in other cities especially in Europe, alas the Bradford system is utilised in an old fashioned 1990’s style using analogue cameras, treating cameras as static and being reliant on too little manpower to monitor the system. Clowny
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4:46pm Wed 16 Nov 11

Prisoner Cell Block A says...

bcfc1903 wrote:
Apollo wrote:
bcfc1903 wrote:
This seems a lot of hot air regarding a couple of isolated incidents. The abusing of poppy sellers whatever their skin pigmentation cannot be excetable. I don't think these incidents represent the feelings of 99.9% of people living in the City of Bradford. Take Naveeda Ikram our superb Lord Mayor , what an absolute credit to the city she is. Her speech at the 4th Paras freedom of the City of Bradford parade a week last Sunday was quite brilliant, well done Naveeda, a superb role model for all Bradfordians. * Regarding Bradford's German history, Bradford of course had a large German community in the mid 19th and early 20th century, i've no idea if Hitler was a fan, hopefully not, but he wasn't a fan of Jewish people was he, the very people who were the major developers of the town and then city of Bradford, their textile export houses in Little Germany were the main players in bringing great wealth to Bradford, making it one of the richest City's in Europe around 1900 to 1910, who knows what would have happened if the first world war had not occured.
The Germans were at least on a par in terms of background, religion, history, economic development etc. with the English both at that time and since.

Obviously our politics diverged considerably in the 1930s and right through to 1945.

The problem with the current wave of immigrants and their disgusting offspring is that they share non of these aspects of shared culture, religion or economic background.

In truth they have never wanted to integrate into Western ways of life - preferring to maintain a rosy view of village life in a backwards part of Pakistan.

We now reap the benefits of allowing this in terms of increasingly becoming dragged down to the Third World.

Where were the parents of the 12 years old who were abusing poppy sellers and in doing so bringing great shame upon their families?

When they are caught (and even the useless Police of Bradford should be able to do that) I hope they are brought before thier parents so the shame can be felt.
The German Jews had been descriminated against in Germany, and found far more freedom to trade in Bradford than in their country of birth.

*
For starters, they're not disgusting offspring, what sort of description is that, deary me. Yes, there are some people who seem to need a helping hand in regards to the basics of showing respect. You can't make a sweeping statements regarding where those originate from, there are many many folk of Pakistani decent who are doing great work in bringing wealth to the City of Bradford, there will be others that are not, but you can say that about all Bradford folk where ever they originated from. Yes , there are problems with that culture integrating into the western way of life , but given time, i believe it will happen, and is happening now. To paint a broad picture on the back of a couple of despicable incidents is not being fair to the vast majority of folk that are decent law abiding citizens of Bradford.
Started 50 years ago with the SE Asian migration, was semi-successful into the early 80s and has begun to decline since.

I grew up in BD3 as I have mentioned many times, had an uncle Mirza until he passed away( uncle in nomencalture only) both his sons were my best friends and we still cross paths today and they are disgusted with that the base their father and the like laid down has been ripped up by this generation of lawless, disrespectful, drug-dealing, benefit robbing no marks. These are the main culprits for the thought process towards SE Asians living in and around Bradford, these and those who refuse to acknowledge that the behaviour of the 3rd/4th generation of initial immigrants is bringing shame and trouble directly into the camp of peaceful folk who just want an easy life be it within their own community groups or the city-wide community.

Peaceful and successful integration and the chance of it happening has passed and the 'I'm not a racist but....' will become more and more prevalent. As will racially motivated abuse by all involved. Sad but true.
[quote][p][bold]bcfc1903[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Apollo[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]bcfc1903[/bold] wrote: This seems a lot of hot air regarding a couple of isolated incidents. The abusing of poppy sellers whatever their skin pigmentation cannot be excetable. I don't think these incidents represent the feelings of 99.9% of people living in the City of Bradford. Take Naveeda Ikram our superb Lord Mayor , what an absolute credit to the city she is. Her speech at the 4th Paras freedom of the City of Bradford parade a week last Sunday was quite brilliant, well done Naveeda, a superb role model for all Bradfordians. * Regarding Bradford's German history, Bradford of course had a large German community in the mid 19th and early 20th century, i've no idea if Hitler was a fan, hopefully not, but he wasn't a fan of Jewish people was he, the very people who were the major developers of the town and then city of Bradford, their textile export houses in Little Germany were the main players in bringing great wealth to Bradford, making it one of the richest City's in Europe around 1900 to 1910, who knows what would have happened if the first world war had not occured.[/p][/quote]The Germans were at least on a par in terms of background, religion, history, economic development etc. with the English both at that time and since. Obviously our politics diverged considerably in the 1930s and right through to 1945. The problem with the current wave of immigrants and their disgusting offspring is that they share non of these aspects of shared culture, religion or economic background. In truth they have never wanted to integrate into Western ways of life - preferring to maintain a rosy view of village life in a backwards part of Pakistan. We now reap the benefits of allowing this in terms of increasingly becoming dragged down to the Third World. Where were the parents of the 12 years old who were abusing poppy sellers and in doing so bringing great shame upon their families? When they are caught (and even the useless Police of Bradford should be able to do that) I hope they are brought before thier parents so the shame can be felt.[/p][/quote]The German Jews had been descriminated against in Germany, and found far more freedom to trade in Bradford than in their country of birth. * For starters, they're not disgusting offspring, what sort of description is that, deary me. Yes, there are some people who seem to need a helping hand in regards to the basics of showing respect. You can't make a sweeping statements regarding where those originate from, there are many many folk of Pakistani decent who are doing great work in bringing wealth to the City of Bradford, there will be others that are not, but you can say that about all Bradford folk where ever they originated from. Yes , there are problems with that culture integrating into the western way of life , but given time, i believe it will happen, and is happening now. To paint a broad picture on the back of a couple of despicable incidents is not being fair to the vast majority of folk that are decent law abiding citizens of Bradford.[/p][/quote]Started 50 years ago with the SE Asian migration, was semi-successful into the early 80s and has begun to decline since. I grew up in BD3 as I have mentioned many times, had an uncle Mirza until he passed away( uncle in nomencalture only) both his sons were my best friends and we still cross paths today and they are disgusted with that the base their father and the like laid down has been ripped up by this generation of lawless, disrespectful, drug-dealing, benefit robbing no marks. These are the main culprits for the thought process towards SE Asians living in and around Bradford, these and those who refuse to acknowledge that the behaviour of the 3rd/4th generation of initial immigrants is bringing shame and trouble directly into the camp of peaceful folk who just want an easy life be it within their own community groups or the city-wide community. Peaceful and successful integration and the chance of it happening has passed and the 'I'm not a racist but....' will become more and more prevalent. As will racially motivated abuse by all involved. Sad but true. Prisoner Cell Block A
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4:57pm Wed 16 Nov 11

Brer fox says...

Keyser_Söze wrote:
Thee Voice of Reason wrote:
Keyser_Söze wrote:
Look guys; it wasn't exactly clever to sell poppies in an area where the majority are against the war. . Come on; it ain't rocket science.
The poppy is taken from the battlefields of the first world war, and it remembers all our war dead. What some people feel about the more recent wars shouldn't even come into it.
The poppy is about freemasonry and the Iluminati.
.
Blood sacrifice.
****,**** and utter tripe.
[quote][p][bold]Keyser_Söze[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Thee Voice of Reason[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Keyser_Söze[/bold] wrote: Look guys; it wasn't exactly clever to sell poppies in an area where the majority are against the war. . Come on; it ain't rocket science.[/p][/quote]The poppy is taken from the battlefields of the first world war, and it remembers all our war dead. What some people feel about the more recent wars shouldn't even come into it.[/p][/quote]The poppy is about freemasonry and the Iluminati. . Blood sacrifice.[/p][/quote]****,**** and utter tripe. Brer fox
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4:58pm Wed 16 Nov 11

mrs walker says...

Patrick Bateman wrote:
I see this story has now 'gone national'.

Another PR coup for Bradford. Not.
Well yes, if you count being 'reported' in the Sun and the Star as 'going national'. Hardly a PR disaster if two newspapers famed for printing pictures of women wiv ther jugz aht deliver a sensationalised polemic against three twelve-year old politically naive nitwits.
[quote][p][bold]Patrick Bateman[/bold] wrote: I see this story has now 'gone national'. Another PR coup for Bradford. Not.[/p][/quote]Well yes, if you count being 'reported' in the Sun and the Star as 'going national'. Hardly a PR disaster if two newspapers famed for printing pictures of women wiv ther jugz aht deliver a sensationalised polemic against three twelve-year old politically naive nitwits. mrs walker
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5:01pm Wed 16 Nov 11

Brer fox says...

****,**** and utter tripe.
****,**** and utter tripe. Brer fox
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5:10pm Wed 16 Nov 11

Brer fox says...

by John McCrae, May 1915

In Flanders fields the poppies blow
Between the crosses, row on row,
That mark our place; and in the sky
The larks, still bravely singing, fly
Scarce heard amid the guns below.

We are the Dead. Short days ago
We lived, felt dawn, saw sunset glow,
Loved and were loved, and now we lie
In Flanders fields.

Take up our quarrel with the foe:
To you from failing hands we throw
The torch; be yours to hold it high.
If ye break faith with us who die
We shall not sleep, though poppies grow
In Flanders fields.
~~~~~~~~~~~~

This is the thing.It is the whole of the thing.This is the true thing.
No bull about masons.No lies about anything else.The poppy is the tribute to the war dead.Nothing more and nothing less.

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

Photograph.

She treasures a fading photograph.
It shows her daddy holding her hand.
He is dressed in a soldiers uniform.
He fought in a far foreign land.

In the picture he is young,bright and handsome
And thats how he forever will be.
For he served abroad in the army
He died serving King and country.

She stands in the crowd at the cenotaph.
His picture enclosed in her hand.
She remembers the daddy she barely knew.
Who lies in a far foreign land.

Andy Fox 231107

In honour of my friends father.He was killed in Italy in 1943.She was just 18 months old.
by John McCrae, May 1915 In Flanders fields the poppies blow Between the crosses, row on row, That mark our place; and in the sky The larks, still bravely singing, fly Scarce heard amid the guns below. We are the Dead. Short days ago We lived, felt dawn, saw sunset glow, Loved and were loved, and now we lie In Flanders fields. Take up our quarrel with the foe: To you from failing hands we throw The torch; be yours to hold it high. If ye break faith with us who die We shall not sleep, though poppies grow In Flanders fields. ~~~~~~~~~~~~ This is the thing.It is the whole of the thing.This is the true thing. No bull about masons.No lies about anything else.The poppy is the tribute to the war dead.Nothing more and nothing less. ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Photograph. She treasures a fading photograph. It shows her daddy holding her hand. He is dressed in a soldiers uniform. He fought in a far foreign land. In the picture he is young,bright and handsome And thats how he forever will be. For he served abroad in the army He died serving King and country. She stands in the crowd at the cenotaph. His picture enclosed in her hand. She remembers the daddy she barely knew. Who lies in a far foreign land. Andy Fox 231107 In honour of my friends father.He was killed in Italy in 1943.She was just 18 months old. Brer fox
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5:21pm Wed 16 Nov 11

Wanpablo says...

rugger-tyke wrote:
Wanpablo wrote:
This is absolutly disgusting, These people should be thrown out of our country, I am not a racist but the way things are going the people who are NOT racist will eventually turn because they are being pushed into it by arrogant abusive Muslims (not indians they have respect) who have no consideration for the people who gave them the life style they have today! It has nothing to do with Race it is all about respect ? I personally feel like a second class citizen in my own town. every day it is getting worse and only reason we will not stop immigration is because the people in power of this country will stop getting the votes to stay in power but that is irrelevant black,white, muslim indian chinese polish I dont care show me respect and I will return the favour but I warn that most people that think like me will change how they think and there will be a revolution mark my words I just hope I am not here when that day comes! Respect to the two young asian girls who had the courage to understand and appreciate what our ancesters have done for our once fine country
Muslims (not indians they have respect)

Didn't realise Muslim was an ethnicity/nationalit

y, thanks for the enlightenment.
no it not ethnicity or nationality. but is it not a muslim that has spat at people/poppies?? because they want sharia law in our country and that is why they are abusing our once great nation and have no respect
[quote][p][bold]rugger-tyke[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Wanpablo[/bold] wrote: This is absolutly disgusting, These people should be thrown out of our country, I am not a racist but the way things are going the people who are NOT racist will eventually turn because they are being pushed into it by arrogant abusive Muslims (not indians they have respect) who have no consideration for the people who gave them the life style they have today! It has nothing to do with Race it is all about respect ? I personally feel like a second class citizen in my own town. every day it is getting worse and only reason we will not stop immigration is because the people in power of this country will stop getting the votes to stay in power but that is irrelevant black,white, muslim indian chinese polish I dont care show me respect and I will return the favour but I warn that most people that think like me will change how they think and there will be a revolution mark my words I just hope I am not here when that day comes! Respect to the two young asian girls who had the courage to understand and appreciate what our ancesters have done for our once fine country[/p][/quote]Muslims (not indians they have respect) Didn't realise Muslim was an ethnicity/nationalit y, thanks for the enlightenment.[/p][/quote]no it not ethnicity or nationality. but is it not a muslim that has spat at people/poppies?? because they want sharia law in our country and that is why they are abusing our once great nation and have no respect Wanpablo
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5:31pm Wed 16 Nov 11

Wanpablo says...

Wanpablo wrote:
rugger-tyke wrote:
Wanpablo wrote:
This is absolutly disgusting, These people should be thrown out of our country, I am not a racist but the way things are going the people who are NOT racist will eventually turn because they are being pushed into it by arrogant abusive Muslims (not indians they have respect) who have no consideration for the people who gave them the life style they have today! It has nothing to do with Race it is all about respect ? I personally feel like a second class citizen in my own town. every day it is getting worse and only reason we will not stop immigration is because the people in power of this country will stop getting the votes to stay in power but that is irrelevant black,white, muslim indian chinese polish I dont care show me respect and I will return the favour but I warn that most people that think like me will change how they think and there will be a revolution mark my words I just hope I am not here when that day comes! Respect to the two young asian girls who had the courage to understand and appreciate what our ancesters have done for our once fine country
Muslims (not indians they have respect)

Didn't realise Muslim was an ethnicity/nationalit


y, thanks for the enlightenment.
no it not ethnicity or nationality. but is it not a muslim that has spat at people/poppies?? because they want sharia law in our country and that is why they are abusing our once great nation and have no respect
also I am guessing you assume I am racist because I dare to say the truth. Well I dont care what you think. I will wear my poppy with pride and feel sorry for anybody who tries to spit and abuse me for showing respect to heros who gave me a half decent start in life.
[quote][p][bold]Wanpablo[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]rugger-tyke[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Wanpablo[/bold] wrote: This is absolutly disgusting, These people should be thrown out of our country, I am not a racist but the way things are going the people who are NOT racist will eventually turn because they are being pushed into it by arrogant abusive Muslims (not indians they have respect) who have no consideration for the people who gave them the life style they have today! It has nothing to do with Race it is all about respect ? I personally feel like a second class citizen in my own town. every day it is getting worse and only reason we will not stop immigration is because the people in power of this country will stop getting the votes to stay in power but that is irrelevant black,white, muslim indian chinese polish I dont care show me respect and I will return the favour but I warn that most people that think like me will change how they think and there will be a revolution mark my words I just hope I am not here when that day comes! Respect to the two young asian girls who had the courage to understand and appreciate what our ancesters have done for our once fine country[/p][/quote]Muslims (not indians they have respect) Didn't realise Muslim was an ethnicity/nationalit y, thanks for the enlightenment.[/p][/quote]no it not ethnicity or nationality. but is it not a muslim that has spat at people/poppies?? because they want sharia law in our country and that is why they are abusing our once great nation and have no respect[/p][/quote]also I am guessing you assume I am racist because I dare to say the truth. Well I dont care what you think. I will wear my poppy with pride and feel sorry for anybody who tries to spit and abuse me for showing respect to heros who gave me a half decent start in life. Wanpablo
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5:33pm Wed 16 Nov 11

stiflers mom says...

mrs walker wrote:
Patrick Bateman wrote: I see this story has now 'gone national'. Another PR coup for Bradford. Not.
Well yes, if you count being 'reported' in the Sun and the Star as 'going national'. Hardly a PR disaster if two newspapers famed for printing pictures of women wiv ther jugz aht deliver a sensationalised polemic against three twelve-year old politically naive nitwits.
not a reader of the red top newspapers myself much prefer the mail but how can you say the sun and the star are not national newspapers and as far as a PR disaster goes,Bradford resembles more of a nuclear disaster!!!
[quote][p][bold]mrs walker[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Patrick Bateman[/bold] wrote: I see this story has now 'gone national'. Another PR coup for Bradford. Not.[/p][/quote]Well yes, if you count being 'reported' in the Sun and the Star as 'going national'. Hardly a PR disaster if two newspapers famed for printing pictures of women wiv ther jugz aht deliver a sensationalised polemic against three twelve-year old politically naive nitwits.[/p][/quote]not a reader of the red top newspapers myself much prefer the mail but how can you say the sun and the star are not national newspapers and as far as a PR disaster goes,Bradford resembles more of a nuclear disaster!!! stiflers mom
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6:03pm Wed 16 Nov 11

Patrick Bateman says...

mrs walker wrote:
Patrick Bateman wrote:
I see this story has now 'gone national'.

Another PR coup for Bradford. Not.
Well yes, if you count being 'reported' in the Sun and the Star as 'going national'. Hardly a PR disaster if two newspapers famed for printing pictures of women wiv ther jugz aht deliver a sensationalised polemic against three twelve-year old politically naive nitwits.
Unfortunately the papers you mention are influential and help shape public opinion. You may not like the fact but it is undeniable (well at least I THOUGHT it was undeniable: I obviously didn't factor in the Mrs W rose-tinted, truth-distorting take on things).
[quote][p][bold]mrs walker[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Patrick Bateman[/bold] wrote: I see this story has now 'gone national'. Another PR coup for Bradford. Not.[/p][/quote]Well yes, if you count being 'reported' in the Sun and the Star as 'going national'. Hardly a PR disaster if two newspapers famed for printing pictures of women wiv ther jugz aht deliver a sensationalised polemic against three twelve-year old politically naive nitwits.[/p][/quote]Unfortunately the papers you mention are influential and help shape public opinion. You may not like the fact but it is undeniable (well at least I THOUGHT it was undeniable: I obviously didn't factor in the Mrs W rose-tinted, truth-distorting take on things). Patrick Bateman
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6:41pm Wed 16 Nov 11

mrs walker says...

Patrick Bateman wrote:
mrs walker wrote:
Patrick Bateman wrote:
I see this story has now 'gone national'.

Another PR coup for Bradford. Not.
Well yes, if you count being 'reported' in the Sun and the Star as 'going national'. Hardly a PR disaster if two newspapers famed for printing pictures of women wiv ther jugz aht deliver a sensationalised polemic against three twelve-year old politically naive nitwits.
Unfortunately the papers you mention are influential and help shape public opinion. You may not like the fact but it is undeniable (well at least I THOUGHT it was undeniable: I obviously didn't factor in the Mrs W rose-tinted, truth-distorting take on things).
Of course they are influential. Why else do you think the Tories have regained popularity and why else do you think there isn't a bigger outcry against Murdoch and NI? News about the Sun's own shady affairs tends to be buried under celebrity tosh and sentimentalised and sensationalist drivel. My point is that's it's hardly a PR disaster because it's preaching to the people that already think a certain way. No damage there then. What does surprise me is that I had you pegged as a Daily Mail reader.
[quote][p][bold]Patrick Bateman[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]mrs walker[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Patrick Bateman[/bold] wrote: I see this story has now 'gone national'. Another PR coup for Bradford. Not.[/p][/quote]Well yes, if you count being 'reported' in the Sun and the Star as 'going national'. Hardly a PR disaster if two newspapers famed for printing pictures of women wiv ther jugz aht deliver a sensationalised polemic against three twelve-year old politically naive nitwits.[/p][/quote]Unfortunately the papers you mention are influential and help shape public opinion. You may not like the fact but it is undeniable (well at least I THOUGHT it was undeniable: I obviously didn't factor in the Mrs W rose-tinted, truth-distorting take on things).[/p][/quote]Of course they are influential. Why else do you think the Tories have regained popularity and why else do you think there isn't a bigger outcry against Murdoch and NI? News about the Sun's own shady affairs tends to be buried under celebrity tosh and sentimentalised and sensationalist drivel. My point is that's it's hardly a PR disaster because it's preaching to the people that already think a certain way. No damage there then. What does surprise me is that I had you pegged as a Daily Mail reader. mrs walker
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7:41pm Wed 16 Nov 11

spark9990 says...

Wanpablo wrote:
Wanpablo wrote:
rugger-tyke wrote:
Wanpablo wrote:
This is absolutly disgusting, These people should be thrown out of our country, I am not a racist but the way things are going the people who are NOT racist will eventually turn because they are being pushed into it by arrogant abusive Muslims (not indians they have respect) who have no consideration for the people who gave them the life style they have today! It has nothing to do with Race it is all about respect ? I personally feel like a second class citizen in my own town. every day it is getting worse and only reason we will not stop immigration is because the people in power of this country will stop getting the votes to stay in power but that is irrelevant black,white, muslim indian chinese polish I dont care show me respect and I will return the favour but I warn that most people that think like me will change how they think and there will be a revolution mark my words I just hope I am not here when that day comes! Respect to the two young asian girls who had the courage to understand and appreciate what our ancesters have done for our once fine country
Muslims (not indians they have respect)

Didn't realise Muslim was an ethnicity/nationalit



y, thanks for the enlightenment.
no it not ethnicity or nationality. but is it not a muslim that has spat at people/poppies?? because they want sharia law in our country and that is why they are abusing our once great nation and have no respect
also I am guessing you assume I am racist because I dare to say the truth. Well I dont care what you think. I will wear my poppy with pride and feel sorry for anybody who tries to spit and abuse me for showing respect to heros who gave me a half decent start in life.
Maybe not a racist but a bigot.
.
I'm an Indian and a muslim - have I blown your mind?
.
It was most likely pakistani youths who did the spitting - but don't bring religion into this situation unless you know islam teaches people to spit (which it doesn't - its a disgusting habit).
.
Also race doesn't really matter, its social up bringing and poverty as mentioned a few times in this massive thread.
.
I didn't wear a red poppy, I wore a white one - I respect what our gallant heroes did in both world wars. Remembrance and poppy wearing has still allowed wars with people dying in their thousands along with the occupying British soldiers. I will grieve for both but not with a poppy.
[quote][p][bold]Wanpablo[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Wanpablo[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]rugger-tyke[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Wanpablo[/bold] wrote: This is absolutly disgusting, These people should be thrown out of our country, I am not a racist but the way things are going the people who are NOT racist will eventually turn because they are being pushed into it by arrogant abusive Muslims (not indians they have respect) who have no consideration for the people who gave them the life style they have today! It has nothing to do with Race it is all about respect ? I personally feel like a second class citizen in my own town. every day it is getting worse and only reason we will not stop immigration is because the people in power of this country will stop getting the votes to stay in power but that is irrelevant black,white, muslim indian chinese polish I dont care show me respect and I will return the favour but I warn that most people that think like me will change how they think and there will be a revolution mark my words I just hope I am not here when that day comes! Respect to the two young asian girls who had the courage to understand and appreciate what our ancesters have done for our once fine country[/p][/quote]Muslims (not indians they have respect) Didn't realise Muslim was an ethnicity/nationalit y, thanks for the enlightenment.[/p][/quote]no it not ethnicity or nationality. but is it not a muslim that has spat at people/poppies?? because they want sharia law in our country and that is why they are abusing our once great nation and have no respect[/p][/quote]also I am guessing you assume I am racist because I dare to say the truth. Well I dont care what you think. I will wear my poppy with pride and feel sorry for anybody who tries to spit and abuse me for showing respect to heros who gave me a half decent start in life.[/p][/quote]Maybe not a racist but a bigot. . I'm an Indian and a muslim - have I blown your mind? . It was most likely pakistani youths who did the spitting - but don't bring religion into this situation unless you know islam teaches people to spit (which it doesn't - its a disgusting habit). . Also race doesn't really matter, its social up bringing and poverty as mentioned a few times in this massive thread. . I didn't wear a red poppy, I wore a white one - I respect what our gallant heroes did in both world wars. Remembrance and poppy wearing has still allowed wars with people dying in their thousands along with the occupying British soldiers. I will grieve for both but not with a poppy. spark9990
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8:01pm Wed 16 Nov 11

Oldwestbowling says...

How do you equate poverty with spitting at poppy sellers?
How do you equate poverty with spitting at poppy sellers? Oldwestbowling
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8:29pm Wed 16 Nov 11

mrs walker says...

Wanpablo wrote:
rugger-tyke wrote:
Wanpablo wrote:
This is absolutly disgusting, These people should be thrown out of our country, I am not a racist but the way things are going the people who are NOT racist will eventually turn because they are being pushed into it by arrogant abusive Muslims (not indians they have respect) who have no consideration for the people who gave them the life style they have today! It has nothing to do with Race it is all about respect ? I personally feel like a second class citizen in my own town. every day it is getting worse and only reason we will not stop immigration is because the people in power of this country will stop getting the votes to stay in power but that is irrelevant black,white, muslim indian chinese polish I dont care show me respect and I will return the favour but I warn that most people that think like me will change how they think and there will be a revolution mark my words I just hope I am not here when that day comes! Respect to the two young asian girls who had the courage to understand and appreciate what our ancesters have done for our once fine country
Muslims (not indians they have respect)

Didn't realise Muslim was an ethnicity/nationalit


y, thanks for the enlightenment.
no it not ethnicity or nationality. but is it not a muslim that has spat at people/poppies?? because they want sharia law in our country and that is why they are abusing our once great nation and have no respect
According to Patrick, discussing the longer article in the printed version of the paper, the suspects were 'aged about 12'

They probably want coca-cola more than they want sharia. They're just being gobby little dimwits who are trying to establish an identity for themselves by showing allegiance to an idea that they haven't properly thought through.

Lots of people do that.

That said, if we didn't have soldiers stationed in Iraq and Afghanistan, do you think poppy sellers would be targeted? I'm not justifying their behaviour, just trying to point out how our leaders' political acts may be perceived by people who hold a different view on the conflicts.
[quote][p][bold]Wanpablo[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]rugger-tyke[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Wanpablo[/bold] wrote: This is absolutly disgusting, These people should be thrown out of our country, I am not a racist but the way things are going the people who are NOT racist will eventually turn because they are being pushed into it by arrogant abusive Muslims (not indians they have respect) who have no consideration for the people who gave them the life style they have today! It has nothing to do with Race it is all about respect ? I personally feel like a second class citizen in my own town. every day it is getting worse and only reason we will not stop immigration is because the people in power of this country will stop getting the votes to stay in power but that is irrelevant black,white, muslim indian chinese polish I dont care show me respect and I will return the favour but I warn that most people that think like me will change how they think and there will be a revolution mark my words I just hope I am not here when that day comes! Respect to the two young asian girls who had the courage to understand and appreciate what our ancesters have done for our once fine country[/p][/quote]Muslims (not indians they have respect) Didn't realise Muslim was an ethnicity/nationalit y, thanks for the enlightenment.[/p][/quote]no it not ethnicity or nationality. but is it not a muslim that has spat at people/poppies?? because they want sharia law in our country and that is why they are abusing our once great nation and have no respect[/p][/quote]According to Patrick, discussing the longer article in the printed version of the paper, the suspects were 'aged about 12' They probably want coca-cola more than they want sharia. They're just being gobby little dimwits who are trying to establish an identity for themselves by showing allegiance to an idea that they haven't properly thought through. Lots of people do that. That said, if we didn't have soldiers stationed in Iraq and Afghanistan, do you think poppy sellers would be targeted? I'm not justifying their behaviour, just trying to point out how our leaders' political acts may be perceived by people who hold a different view on the conflicts. mrs walker
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8:31pm Wed 16 Nov 11

bcfc1903 says...

Prisoner Cell Block A wrote:
bcfc1903 wrote:
Apollo wrote:
bcfc1903 wrote:
This seems a lot of hot air regarding a couple of isolated incidents. The abusing of poppy sellers whatever their skin pigmentation cannot be excetable. I don't think these incidents represent the feelings of 99.9% of people living in the City of Bradford. Take Naveeda Ikram our superb Lord Mayor , what an absolute credit to the city she is. Her speech at the 4th Paras freedom of the City of Bradford parade a week last Sunday was quite brilliant, well done Naveeda, a superb role model for all Bradfordians. * Regarding Bradford's German history, Bradford of course had a large German community in the mid 19th and early 20th century, i've no idea if Hitler was a fan, hopefully not, but he wasn't a fan of Jewish people was he, the very people who were the major developers of the town and then city of Bradford, their textile export houses in Little Germany were the main players in bringing great wealth to Bradford, making it one of the richest City's in Europe around 1900 to 1910, who knows what would have happened if the first world war had not occured.
The Germans were at least on a par in terms of background, religion, history, economic development etc. with the English both at that time and since.

Obviously our politics diverged considerably in the 1930s and right through to 1945.

The problem with the current wave of immigrants and their disgusting offspring is that they share non of these aspects of shared culture, religion or economic background.

In truth they have never wanted to integrate into Western ways of life - preferring to maintain a rosy view of village life in a backwards part of Pakistan.

We now reap the benefits of allowing this in terms of increasingly becoming dragged down to the Third World.

Where were the parents of the 12 years old who were abusing poppy sellers and in doing so bringing great shame upon their families?

When they are caught (and even the useless Police of Bradford should be able to do that) I hope they are brought before thier parents so the shame can be felt.
The German Jews had been descriminated against in Germany, and found far more freedom to trade in Bradford than in their country of birth.

*
For starters, they're not disgusting offspring, what sort of description is that, deary me. Yes, there are some people who seem to need a helping hand in regards to the basics of showing respect. You can't make a sweeping statements regarding where those originate from, there are many many folk of Pakistani decent who are doing great work in bringing wealth to the City of Bradford, there will be others that are not, but you can say that about all Bradford folk where ever they originated from. Yes , there are problems with that culture integrating into the western way of life , but given time, i believe it will happen, and is happening now. To paint a broad picture on the back of a couple of despicable incidents is not being fair to the vast majority of folk that are decent law abiding citizens of Bradford.
Started 50 years ago with the SE Asian migration, was semi-successful into the early 80s and has begun to decline since.

I grew up in BD3 as I have mentioned many times, had an uncle Mirza until he passed away( uncle in nomencalture only) both his sons were my best friends and we still cross paths today and they are disgusted with that the base their father and the like laid down has been ripped up by this generation of lawless, disrespectful, drug-dealing, benefit robbing no marks. These are the main culprits for the thought process towards SE Asians living in and around Bradford, these and those who refuse to acknowledge that the behaviour of the 3rd/4th generation of initial immigrants is bringing shame and trouble directly into the camp of peaceful folk who just want an easy life be it within their own community groups or the city-wide community.

Peaceful and successful integration and the chance of it happening has passed and the 'I'm not a racist but....' will become more and more prevalent. As will racially motivated abuse by all involved. Sad but true.
I don't agree with your description of young Pakistani's, sure SOME will be of that description, but to paint all with the same brush is a disgrace. I don't agree that it has anything to do with poverty either, more likely, ill educated morons with nothing better to do. After all , my parents had very little, but brought their kids up to show respect to others. For every bunch of morons like these that abused the cadets, there are thousands that go about their lives in a law abiding manor. i've worn a red poppy every year. Like most people in this city severel members of my family have in the past joined the armed forces, i'm sure you'll also find that many Indians fought and died in the British Army up to and including the 2nd world war, they would have included, Hindus, Sikhs Muslims and Christians.
[quote][p][bold]Prisoner Cell Block A[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]bcfc1903[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Apollo[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]bcfc1903[/bold] wrote: This seems a lot of hot air regarding a couple of isolated incidents. The abusing of poppy sellers whatever their skin pigmentation cannot be excetable. I don't think these incidents represent the feelings of 99.9% of people living in the City of Bradford. Take Naveeda Ikram our superb Lord Mayor , what an absolute credit to the city she is. Her speech at the 4th Paras freedom of the City of Bradford parade a week last Sunday was quite brilliant, well done Naveeda, a superb role model for all Bradfordians. * Regarding Bradford's German history, Bradford of course had a large German community in the mid 19th and early 20th century, i've no idea if Hitler was a fan, hopefully not, but he wasn't a fan of Jewish people was he, the very people who were the major developers of the town and then city of Bradford, their textile export houses in Little Germany were the main players in bringing great wealth to Bradford, making it one of the richest City's in Europe around 1900 to 1910, who knows what would have happened if the first world war had not occured.[/p][/quote]The Germans were at least on a par in terms of background, religion, history, economic development etc. with the English both at that time and since. Obviously our politics diverged considerably in the 1930s and right through to 1945. The problem with the current wave of immigrants and their disgusting offspring is that they share non of these aspects of shared culture, religion or economic background. In truth they have never wanted to integrate into Western ways of life - preferring to maintain a rosy view of village life in a backwards part of Pakistan. We now reap the benefits of allowing this in terms of increasingly becoming dragged down to the Third World. Where were the parents of the 12 years old who were abusing poppy sellers and in doing so bringing great shame upon their families? When they are caught (and even the useless Police of Bradford should be able to do that) I hope they are brought before thier parents so the shame can be felt.[/p][/quote]The German Jews had been descriminated against in Germany, and found far more freedom to trade in Bradford than in their country of birth. * For starters, they're not disgusting offspring, what sort of description is that, deary me. Yes, there are some people who seem to need a helping hand in regards to the basics of showing respect. You can't make a sweeping statements regarding where those originate from, there are many many folk of Pakistani decent who are doing great work in bringing wealth to the City of Bradford, there will be others that are not, but you can say that about all Bradford folk where ever they originated from. Yes , there are problems with that culture integrating into the western way of life , but given time, i believe it will happen, and is happening now. To paint a broad picture on the back of a couple of despicable incidents is not being fair to the vast majority of folk that are decent law abiding citizens of Bradford.[/p][/quote]Started 50 years ago with the SE Asian migration, was semi-successful into the early 80s and has begun to decline since. I grew up in BD3 as I have mentioned many times, had an uncle Mirza until he passed away( uncle in nomencalture only) both his sons were my best friends and we still cross paths today and they are disgusted with that the base their father and the like laid down has been ripped up by this generation of lawless, disrespectful, drug-dealing, benefit robbing no marks. These are the main culprits for the thought process towards SE Asians living in and around Bradford, these and those who refuse to acknowledge that the behaviour of the 3rd/4th generation of initial immigrants is bringing shame and trouble directly into the camp of peaceful folk who just want an easy life be it within their own community groups or the city-wide community. Peaceful and successful integration and the chance of it happening has passed and the 'I'm not a racist but....' will become more and more prevalent. As will racially motivated abuse by all involved. Sad but true.[/p][/quote]I don't agree with your description of young Pakistani's, sure SOME will be of that description, but to paint all with the same brush is a disgrace. I don't agree that it has anything to do with poverty either, more likely, ill educated morons with nothing better to do. After all , my parents had very little, but brought their kids up to show respect to others. For every bunch of morons like these that abused the cadets, there are thousands that go about their lives in a law abiding manor. i've worn a red poppy every year. Like most people in this city severel members of my family have in the past joined the armed forces, i'm sure you'll also find that many Indians fought and died in the British Army up to and including the 2nd world war, they would have included, Hindus, Sikhs Muslims and Christians. bcfc1903
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8:38pm Wed 16 Nov 11

Patrick Bateman says...

mrs walker wrote:
Patrick Bateman wrote:
mrs walker wrote:
Patrick Bateman wrote:
I see this story has now 'gone national'.

Another PR coup for Bradford. Not.
Well yes, if you count being 'reported' in the Sun and the Star as 'going national'. Hardly a PR disaster if two newspapers famed for printing pictures of women wiv ther jugz aht deliver a sensationalised polemic against three twelve-year old politically naive nitwits.
Unfortunately the papers you mention are influential and help shape public opinion. You may not like the fact but it is undeniable (well at least I THOUGHT it was undeniable: I obviously didn't factor in the Mrs W rose-tinted, truth-distorting take on things).
Of course they are influential. Why else do you think the Tories have regained popularity and why else do you think there isn't a bigger outcry against Murdoch and NI? News about the Sun's own shady affairs tends to be buried under celebrity tosh and sentimentalised and sensationalist drivel. My point is that's it's hardly a PR disaster because it's preaching to the people that already think a certain way. No damage there then. What does surprise me is that I had you pegged as a Daily Mail reader.
'No damage there then'? Reinforcing people's prejudice is 'no damage'? Ok,
whatever you say..

Talking of 'blind prejudice' you had me 'pegged' as a Daily Mail Reader. As it happens I do read the DM (online) as I do The Telegraph, Independent & Guardian (also The Sun and other tabloids on occasion as we've established). I only buy The Sunday Times and occasionally the T and A.

It's rather hypocritical to impugn someone as a 'Daily Mail reader' (which was your intention) when you not only read it yourself but also leave comments on the stories, eh Mrs W? Come on, tell the truth now..
.
[quote][p][bold]mrs walker[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Patrick Bateman[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]mrs walker[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Patrick Bateman[/bold] wrote: I see this story has now 'gone national'. Another PR coup for Bradford. Not.[/p][/quote]Well yes, if you count being 'reported' in the Sun and the Star as 'going national'. Hardly a PR disaster if two newspapers famed for printing pictures of women wiv ther jugz aht deliver a sensationalised polemic against three twelve-year old politically naive nitwits.[/p][/quote]Unfortunately the papers you mention are influential and help shape public opinion. You may not like the fact but it is undeniable (well at least I THOUGHT it was undeniable: I obviously didn't factor in the Mrs W rose-tinted, truth-distorting take on things).[/p][/quote]Of course they are influential. Why else do you think the Tories have regained popularity and why else do you think there isn't a bigger outcry against Murdoch and NI? News about the Sun's own shady affairs tends to be buried under celebrity tosh and sentimentalised and sensationalist drivel. My point is that's it's hardly a PR disaster because it's preaching to the people that already think a certain way. No damage there then. What does surprise me is that I had you pegged as a Daily Mail reader.[/p][/quote]'No damage there then'? Reinforcing people's prejudice is 'no damage'? Ok, whatever you say.. Talking of 'blind prejudice' you had me 'pegged' as a Daily Mail Reader. As it happens I do read the DM (online) as I do The Telegraph, Independent & Guardian (also The Sun and other tabloids on occasion as we've established). I only buy The Sunday Times and occasionally the T and A. It's rather hypocritical to impugn someone as a 'Daily Mail reader' (which was your intention) when you not only read it yourself but also leave comments on the stories, eh Mrs W? Come on, tell the truth now.. . Patrick Bateman
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8:44pm Wed 16 Nov 11

mrs walker says...

Patrick Bateman wrote:
mrs walker wrote:
Patrick Bateman wrote:
mrs walker wrote:
Patrick Bateman wrote:
I see this story has now 'gone national'.

Another PR coup for Bradford. Not.
Well yes, if you count being 'reported' in the Sun and the Star as 'going national'. Hardly a PR disaster if two newspapers famed for printing pictures of women wiv ther jugz aht deliver a sensationalised polemic against three twelve-year old politically naive nitwits.
Unfortunately the papers you mention are influential and help shape public opinion. You may not like the fact but it is undeniable (well at least I THOUGHT it was undeniable: I obviously didn't factor in the Mrs W rose-tinted, truth-distorting take on things).
Of course they are influential. Why else do you think the Tories have regained popularity and why else do you think there isn't a bigger outcry against Murdoch and NI? News about the Sun's own shady affairs tends to be buried under celebrity tosh and sentimentalised and sensationalist drivel. My point is that's it's hardly a PR disaster because it's preaching to the people that already think a certain way. No damage there then. What does surprise me is that I had you pegged as a Daily Mail reader.
'No damage there then'? Reinforcing people's prejudice is 'no damage'? Ok,
whatever you say..

Talking of 'blind prejudice' you had me 'pegged' as a Daily Mail Reader. As it happens I do read the DM (online) as I do The Telegraph, Independent & Guardian (also The Sun and other tabloids on occasion as we've established). I only buy The Sunday Times and occasionally the T and A.

It's rather hypocritical to impugn someone as a 'Daily Mail reader' (which was your intention) when you not only read it yourself but also leave comments on the stories, eh Mrs W? Come on, tell the truth now..
.
It's very cathartic. And someone has to challenge people's prejudice ;-)

You wouldn't take an old lady's only pleasure (well, that and the sherry) away from her, would you Patrick?
[quote][p][bold]Patrick Bateman[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]mrs walker[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Patrick Bateman[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]mrs walker[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Patrick Bateman[/bold] wrote: I see this story has now 'gone national'. Another PR coup for Bradford. Not.[/p][/quote]Well yes, if you count being 'reported' in the Sun and the Star as 'going national'. Hardly a PR disaster if two newspapers famed for printing pictures of women wiv ther jugz aht deliver a sensationalised polemic against three twelve-year old politically naive nitwits.[/p][/quote]Unfortunately the papers you mention are influential and help shape public opinion. You may not like the fact but it is undeniable (well at least I THOUGHT it was undeniable: I obviously didn't factor in the Mrs W rose-tinted, truth-distorting take on things).[/p][/quote]Of course they are influential. Why else do you think the Tories have regained popularity and why else do you think there isn't a bigger outcry against Murdoch and NI? News about the Sun's own shady affairs tends to be buried under celebrity tosh and sentimentalised and sensationalist drivel. My point is that's it's hardly a PR disaster because it's preaching to the people that already think a certain way. No damage there then. What does surprise me is that I had you pegged as a Daily Mail reader.[/p][/quote]'No damage there then'? Reinforcing people's prejudice is 'no damage'? Ok, whatever you say.. Talking of 'blind prejudice' you had me 'pegged' as a Daily Mail Reader. As it happens I do read the DM (online) as I do The Telegraph, Independent & Guardian (also The Sun and other tabloids on occasion as we've established). I only buy The Sunday Times and occasionally the T and A. It's rather hypocritical to impugn someone as a 'Daily Mail reader' (which was your intention) when you not only read it yourself but also leave comments on the stories, eh Mrs W? Come on, tell the truth now.. .[/p][/quote]It's very cathartic. And someone has to challenge people's prejudice ;-) You wouldn't take an old lady's only pleasure (well, that and the sherry) away from her, would you Patrick? mrs walker
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9:23pm Wed 16 Nov 11

davidh66 says...

Was the British army in Bosnia to help stop the ethnic cleansing of Muslims.
Was the British army in Bosnia to help stop the ethnic cleansing of Muslims. davidh66
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10:53pm Wed 16 Nov 11

bradmat says...

greedyb4nkers wrote:
Albion. wrote:
Ayesha. wrote:
theoutsider wrote:
ravacity wrote:
smm3511 wrote:
bradmat wrote: We would have been better off losing ww2
I agree, I would much prefer to have my grankids, niece's & nephew's speak German than Hindu or punjabi. It's a total disgrace what is going on at home these days especially in my beloved home town of Bradford. It's almost got to the point I don't want to come home for a visit anymore.
maybe your german speaking offspring could have been in charge of modern day gas chambers or a new gestapo
Great post 'odd shape' - but I have to ask why the T&A reporter thinks I need to know that 2 Asian poppy sellers were also abused ? - we dont need to know this all we need to know is that there was abuse perpitrated against poppy sellers by presumably Asian men. We dont need to know anything about the ethnicity of the poppy sellers white, black,christian, muslim who gives a toss - great on them because they were selling poppies and backing our forces against the supposed 'jihad'. The T&A have blantantely tried to 'balance' out the story with the 2 Asian girls - if these 2 girls were abused then it is their picture I want to see - because whoever was abused its totally unacceptable. But my guess is that this is the T&A trying to keep onside with the Asian community. If not I stand corrected and expect to see the 2 Asian girls on the front page tomorrow. As for the Germanisation of Bradford ?- the facts are that Hitler admired Bradford he loved the architecture and buildings in the Northern cities. When the Luftwafe bombed Bradford they did so with care - one fell on Lingards and one flew into the Wool exchange as I recall but very little else. Contrast that with the damage heaped on the City physically and culturally by successive City Hall leaders. Far better that the City followed German culture, language and example than the failed 'one landscape many colours' project that has wrecked a once proud Wool City.
i was actually one of the asian girls who was abused. you think the t&a would lie about this? me and my mate spent the whole day getting abuse for selling poppies and to be honest, we really don't care, we were doing a good thing and we don't care about what people think of us. we're not gonna be on the front page 'cause we don't want all the attention and abuse.
Very well done!
well actualy bradmat if you "don't want to come "home" your doing us all a favor !
"actually" greedyb4nks do yourself a "favour" read and engage "you're" brain then you will not look as stupid.
[quote][p][bold]greedyb4nkers[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Albion.[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Ayesha.[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]theoutsider[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]ravacity[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]smm3511[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]bradmat[/bold] wrote: We would have been better off losing ww2[/p][/quote]I agree, I would much prefer to have my grankids, niece's & nephew's speak German than Hindu or punjabi. It's a total disgrace what is going on at home these days especially in my beloved home town of Bradford. It's almost got to the point I don't want to come home for a visit anymore.[/p][/quote]maybe your german speaking offspring could have been in charge of modern day gas chambers or a new gestapo[/p][/quote]Great post 'odd shape' - but I have to ask why the T&A reporter thinks I need to know that 2 Asian poppy sellers were also abused ? - we dont need to know this all we need to know is that there was abuse perpitrated against poppy sellers by presumably Asian men. We dont need to know anything about the ethnicity of the poppy sellers white, black,christian, muslim who gives a toss - great on them because they were selling poppies and backing our forces against the supposed 'jihad'. The T&A have blantantely tried to 'balance' out the story with the 2 Asian girls - if these 2 girls were abused then it is their picture I want to see - because whoever was abused its totally unacceptable. But my guess is that this is the T&A trying to keep onside with the Asian community. If not I stand corrected and expect to see the 2 Asian girls on the front page tomorrow. As for the Germanisation of Bradford ?- the facts are that Hitler admired Bradford he loved the architecture and buildings in the Northern cities. When the Luftwafe bombed Bradford they did so with care - one fell on Lingards and one flew into the Wool exchange as I recall but very little else. Contrast that with the damage heaped on the City physically and culturally by successive City Hall leaders. Far better that the City followed German culture, language and example than the failed 'one landscape many colours' project that has wrecked a once proud Wool City.[/p][/quote]i was actually one of the asian girls who was abused. you think the t&a would lie about this? me and my mate spent the whole day getting abuse for selling poppies and to be honest, we really don't care, we were doing a good thing and we don't care about what people think of us. we're not gonna be on the front page 'cause we don't want all the attention and abuse.[/p][/quote]Very well done![/p][/quote]well actualy bradmat if you "don't want to come "home" your doing us all a favor ![/p][/quote]"actually" greedyb4nks do yourself a "favour" read and engage "you're" brain then you will not look as stupid. bradmat
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11:11pm Wed 16 Nov 11

smm3511 says...

TirNaNog wrote:
smm3511 wrote:
Oldwestbowling wrote:
Willard wrote:
How did we get from the Royal British Legion, Remembrance day and poppies to trying to resurect the idiology behing the Third Reich. Are there a lot of mad people who post on here? We were giving out the poppies because of the sacrifice of our forefathers againt tyrany and intolerence. Parents, teach your children some respect, give them good manners and act as a role model in society, do your bit, work hard and give a bit back and hope that your kids mimic you and not these wanabe gangster rappers and drug dealers. That's it, I said it, blame the parents....monkey see, monkey do.
Well said.
well said my a---, bring back the cane in school, give back parents their rights to chestise their kids wheather in public or at home and bring back proper old fashioned policing. All these rights were taken away and this is what you are left with. I remember when u were afraid to misbehave in school because you had to pay for it and it was embarrasing for you to stand outside the headmasters office waiting to be punished, or my mother telling my father id been bad when he walked thru the door after a hard days work. It will never be as it was until you give back the people their rights
So you want the right to beat your children? You want teachers and Police to have the right to beat your children?
It appears to have worked wonders with you! Who was your English teacher - Richard Dunn? FFS!
Who said beat knob, I said chastise, sorry my English aint as good as yours Knob. Your probably one off those who's kids can never do any wrong am i Correct, even if he commits a crime it could not be him or her no not my kids, get to f--- Knob Just for your info i was raised on Thorpe Edge live in the USA and make a five figure salary, oh and by the way I leave my doors unlocked when i go to bed can you, lol
[quote][p][bold]TirNaNog[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]smm3511[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Oldwestbowling[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Willard[/bold] wrote: How did we get from the Royal British Legion, Remembrance day and poppies to trying to resurect the idiology behing the Third Reich. Are there a lot of mad people who post on here? We were giving out the poppies because of the sacrifice of our forefathers againt tyrany and intolerence. Parents, teach your children some respect, give them good manners and act as a role model in society, do your bit, work hard and give a bit back and hope that your kids mimic you and not these wanabe gangster rappers and drug dealers. That's it, I said it, blame the parents....monkey see, monkey do.[/p][/quote]Well said.[/p][/quote]well said my a---, bring back the cane in school, give back parents their rights to chestise their kids wheather in public or at home and bring back proper old fashioned policing. All these rights were taken away and this is what you are left with. I remember when u were afraid to misbehave in school because you had to pay for it and it was embarrasing for you to stand outside the headmasters office waiting to be punished, or my mother telling my father id been bad when he walked thru the door after a hard days work. It will never be as it was until you give back the people their rights[/p][/quote]So you want the right to beat your children? You want teachers and Police to have the right to beat your children? It appears to have worked wonders with you! Who was your English teacher - Richard Dunn? FFS![/p][/quote]Who said beat knob, I said chastise, sorry my English aint as good as yours Knob. Your probably one off those who's kids can never do any wrong am i Correct, even if he commits a crime it could not be him or her no not my kids, get to f--- Knob Just for your info i was raised on Thorpe Edge live in the USA and make a five figure salary, oh and by the way I leave my doors unlocked when i go to bed can you, lol smm3511
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11:19pm Wed 16 Nov 11

Prisoner Cell Block A says...

Bcfc03, whilst actually agreeing with your chastisement of my description as it was too wide a generalisation but I do not retract the sentiment therein as I believe it to be true as I know it to be true. A realist not an ideologist. I see it every day, I now live in bd2 and drive to work in bd3, I speak as I see only.

I also am fully aware of the great service and sacrifice given by many men and families from SE Asia and was totally disgusted with the denials received by the Gurkha regiments. Many a tale of brotherly comradeship and bravery were shared by my grandfather and his time in camps during his para years.

If you fully read my post and understood that sentiment I was trying to explain the viewpoint from old family friends who were and still are pakistani males and Muslims too. Their hope and wish for at least more tolerance and understanding on all sides is dashed by the actions of that certain section of society I was describing. Even in a more harmful way than the actual EDL, chav-scum as one of our erstwhile roving reporters likes to label most contributors to these columns. If they disagree with him obviously.
Bcfc03, whilst actually agreeing with your chastisement of my description as it was too wide a generalisation but I do not retract the sentiment therein as I believe it to be true as I know it to be true. A realist not an ideologist. I see it every day, I now live in bd2 and drive to work in bd3, I speak as I see only. I also am fully aware of the great service and sacrifice given by many men and families from SE Asia and was totally disgusted with the denials received by the Gurkha regiments. Many a tale of brotherly comradeship and bravery were shared by my grandfather and his time in camps during his para years. If you fully read my post and understood that sentiment I was trying to explain the viewpoint from old family friends who were and still are pakistani males and Muslims too. Their hope and wish for at least more tolerance and understanding on all sides is dashed by the actions of that certain section of society I was describing. Even in a more harmful way than the actual EDL, chav-scum as one of our erstwhile roving reporters likes to label most contributors to these columns. If they disagree with him obviously. Prisoner Cell Block A
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11:23pm Wed 16 Nov 11

bradmat says...

I was taking the **** with the you're. It wasn't me who wrote the come home. I thought i would make it clearer for you greedyn4nkers :P
I was taking the **** with the you're. It wasn't me who wrote the come home. I thought i would make it clearer for you greedyn4nkers :P bradmat
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11:56pm Wed 16 Nov 11

Wanpablo says...

spark9990 wrote:
Wanpablo wrote:
Wanpablo wrote:
rugger-tyke wrote:
Wanpablo wrote:
This is absolutly disgusting, These people should be thrown out of our country, I am not a racist but the way things are going the people who are NOT racist will eventually turn because they are being pushed into it by arrogant abusive Muslims (not indians they have respect) who have no consideration for the people who gave them the life style they have today! It has nothing to do with Race it is all about respect ? I personally feel like a second class citizen in my own town. every day it is getting worse and only reason we will not stop immigration is because the people in power of this country will stop getting the votes to stay in power but that is irrelevant black,white, muslim indian chinese polish I dont care show me respect and I will return the favour but I warn that most people that think like me will change how they think and there will be a revolution mark my words I just hope I am not here when that day comes! Respect to the two young asian girls who had the courage to understand and appreciate what our ancesters have done for our once fine country
Muslims (not indians they have respect)

Didn't realise Muslim was an ethnicity/nationalit




y, thanks for the enlightenment.
no it not ethnicity or nationality. but is it not a muslim that has spat at people/poppies?? because they want sharia law in our country and that is why they are abusing our once great nation and have no respect
also I am guessing you assume I am racist because I dare to say the truth. Well I dont care what you think. I will wear my poppy with pride and feel sorry for anybody who tries to spit and abuse me for showing respect to heros who gave me a half decent start in life.
Maybe not a racist but a bigot.
.
I'm an Indian and a muslim - have I blown your mind?
.
It was most likely pakistani youths who did the spitting - but don't bring religion into this situation unless you know islam teaches people to spit (which it doesn't - its a disgusting habit).
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Also race doesn't really matter, its social up bringing and poverty as mentioned a few times in this massive thread.
.
I didn't wear a red poppy, I wore a white one - I respect what our gallant heroes did in both world wars. Remembrance and poppy wearing has still allowed wars with people dying in their thousands along with the occupying British soldiers. I will grieve for both but not with a poppy.
so if it is true in what you say why is it not about faith?? why did the asian youths spit at people/poppies ?? why where people being threatend?? because they dont like the colour or maybe they just dont like poppies i think its more like muslims/pakistanis (just for your sake) dispise english people because we are not muslim?? I would also like you explain why i am a biggot?? because i speak what most people are thinking but are to afraid to say it! also while were on the subject why is p*ki racist but white b*stard is not??
[quote][p][bold]spark9990[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Wanpablo[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Wanpablo[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]rugger-tyke[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Wanpablo[/bold] wrote: This is absolutly disgusting, These people should be thrown out of our country, I am not a racist but the way things are going the people who are NOT racist will eventually turn because they are being pushed into it by arrogant abusive Muslims (not indians they have respect) who have no consideration for the people who gave them the life style they have today! It has nothing to do with Race it is all about respect ? I personally feel like a second class citizen in my own town. every day it is getting worse and only reason we will not stop immigration is because the people in power of this country will stop getting the votes to stay in power but that is irrelevant black,white, muslim indian chinese polish I dont care show me respect and I will return the favour but I warn that most people that think like me will change how they think and there will be a revolution mark my words I just hope I am not here when that day comes! Respect to the two young asian girls who had the courage to understand and appreciate what our ancesters have done for our once fine country[/p][/quote]Muslims (not indians they have respect) Didn't realise Muslim was an ethnicity/nationalit y, thanks for the enlightenment.[/p][/quote]no it not ethnicity or nationality. but is it not a muslim that has spat at people/poppies?? because they want sharia law in our country and that is why they are abusing our once great nation and have no respect[/p][/quote]also I am guessing you assume I am racist because I dare to say the truth. Well I dont care what you think. I will wear my poppy with pride and feel sorry for anybody who tries to spit and abuse me for showing respect to heros who gave me a half decent start in life.[/p][/quote]Maybe not a racist but a bigot. . I'm an Indian and a muslim - have I blown your mind? . It was most likely pakistani youths who did the spitting - but don't bring religion into this situation unless you know islam teaches people to spit (which it doesn't - its a disgusting habit). . Also race doesn't really matter, its social up bringing and poverty as mentioned a few times in this massive thread. . I didn't wear a red poppy, I wore a white one - I respect what our gallant heroes did in both world wars. Remembrance and poppy wearing has still allowed wars with people dying in their thousands along with the occupying British soldiers. I will grieve for both but not with a poppy.[/p][/quote]so if it is true in what you say why is it not about faith?? why did the asian youths spit at people/poppies ?? why where people being threatend?? because they dont like the colour or maybe they just dont like poppies i think its more like muslims/pakistanis (just for your sake) dispise english people because we are not muslim?? I would also like you explain why i am a biggot?? because i speak what most people are thinking but are to afraid to say it! also while were on the subject why is p*ki racist but white b*stard is not?? Wanpablo
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7:35am Thu 17 Nov 11

Andy Mac says...

Appalled as I am about the main story (which I sadly no longer find 'unbelievable') can I once again point out that these posts contain lots of references to 'Asian scum'. This implies everyone from Asia, yet in my opinion the Indian community have done everything they can to become educated, to integrate and to become English and Bradfordian in their outlook to life, and to tar them with the same brush as the real 'scum' (we all know who they are) is unfair and must be a source of frustration to their efforts and their pride in who they are.
A Hindu leader in this City once pointed out that Muslims and those of Indian faiths arrived here en masse in the 50's on a level playing field, quote:

"They had a level playing field. Because of our hard work,
perseverance and keeping our youth under control, Indian
children are leading in the field of education today. The
responsibility for taking control of Pakistani youths lies
with their parents and community leaders."

Respect to ALL poppy sellers. Never forget.
Appalled as I am about the main story (which I sadly no longer find 'unbelievable') can I once again point out that these posts contain lots of references to 'Asian scum'. This implies everyone from Asia, yet in my opinion the Indian community have done everything they can to become educated, to integrate and to become English and Bradfordian in their outlook to life, and to tar them with the same brush as the real 'scum' (we all know who they are) is unfair and must be a source of frustration to their efforts and their pride in who they are. A Hindu leader in this City once pointed out that Muslims and those of Indian faiths arrived here en masse in the 50's on a level playing field, quote: "They had a level playing field. Because of our hard work, perseverance and keeping our youth under control, Indian children are leading in the field of education today. The responsibility for taking control of Pakistani youths lies with their parents and community leaders." Respect to ALL poppy sellers. Never forget. Andy Mac
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8:51am Thu 17 Nov 11

Wanpablo says...

Andy Mac wrote:
Appalled as I am about the main story (which I sadly no longer find 'unbelievable') can I once again point out that these posts contain lots of references to 'Asian scum'. This implies everyone from Asia, yet in my opinion the Indian community have done everything they can to become educated, to integrate and to become English and Bradfordian in their outlook to life, and to tar them with the same brush as the real 'scum' (we all know who they are) is unfair and must be a source of frustration to their efforts and their pride in who they are.
A Hindu leader in this City once pointed out that Muslims and those of Indian faiths arrived here en masse in the 50's on a level playing field, quote:

"They had a level playing field. Because of our hard work,
perseverance and keeping our youth under control, Indian
children are leading in the field of education today. The
responsibility for taking control of Pakistani youths lies
with their parents and community leaders."

Respect to ALL poppy sellers. Never forget.
This is exactly what I was trying to say you just put it into better context, Never the less you will still be branded a racist, If people like you were in power we would not be in this situation in the first place, Respect to you fine sir
[quote][p][bold]Andy Mac[/bold] wrote: Appalled as I am about the main story (which I sadly no longer find 'unbelievable') can I once again point out that these posts contain lots of references to 'Asian scum'. This implies everyone from Asia, yet in my opinion the Indian community have done everything they can to become educated, to integrate and to become English and Bradfordian in their outlook to life, and to tar them with the same brush as the real 'scum' (we all know who they are) is unfair and must be a source of frustration to their efforts and their pride in who they are. A Hindu leader in this City once pointed out that Muslims and those of Indian faiths arrived here en masse in the 50's on a level playing field, quote: "They had a level playing field. Because of our hard work, perseverance and keeping our youth under control, Indian children are leading in the field of education today. The responsibility for taking control of Pakistani youths lies with their parents and community leaders." Respect to ALL poppy sellers. Never forget.[/p][/quote]This is exactly what I was trying to say you just put it into better context, Never the less you will still be branded a racist, If people like you were in power we would not be in this situation in the first place, Respect to you fine sir Wanpablo
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9:31am Thu 17 Nov 11

spark9990 says...

Wanpablo wrote:
spark9990 wrote:
Wanpablo wrote:
Wanpablo wrote:
rugger-tyke wrote:
Wanpablo wrote:
This is absolutly disgusting, These people should be thrown out of our country, I am not a racist but the way things are going the people who are NOT racist will eventually turn because they are being pushed into it by arrogant abusive Muslims (not indians they have respect) who have no consideration for the people who gave them the life style they have today! It has nothing to do with Race it is all about respect ? I personally feel like a second class citizen in my own town. every day it is getting worse and only reason we will not stop immigration is because the people in power of this country will stop getting the votes to stay in power but that is irrelevant black,white, muslim indian chinese polish I dont care show me respect and I will return the favour but I warn that most people that think like me will change how they think and there will be a revolution mark my words I just hope I am not here when that day comes! Respect to the two young asian girls who had the courage to understand and appreciate what our ancesters have done for our once fine country
Muslims (not indians they have respect)

Didn't realise Muslim was an ethnicity/nationalit





y, thanks for the enlightenment.
no it not ethnicity or nationality. but is it not a muslim that has spat at people/poppies?? because they want sharia law in our country and that is why they are abusing our once great nation and have no respect
also I am guessing you assume I am racist because I dare to say the truth. Well I dont care what you think. I will wear my poppy with pride and feel sorry for anybody who tries to spit and abuse me for showing respect to heros who gave me a half decent start in life.
Maybe not a racist but a bigot.
.
I'm an Indian and a muslim - have I blown your mind?
.
It was most likely pakistani youths who did the spitting - but don't bring religion into this situation unless you know islam teaches people to spit (which it doesn't - its a disgusting habit).
.
Also race doesn't really matter, its social up bringing and poverty as mentioned a few times in this massive thread.
.
I didn't wear a red poppy, I wore a white one - I respect what our gallant heroes did in both world wars. Remembrance and poppy wearing has still allowed wars with people dying in their thousands along with the occupying British soldiers. I will grieve for both but not with a poppy.
so if it is true in what you say why is it not about faith?? why did the asian youths spit at people/poppies ?? why where people being threatend?? because they dont like the colour or maybe they just dont like poppies i think its more like muslims/pakistanis (just for your sake) dispise english people because we are not muslim?? I would also like you explain why i am a biggot?? because i speak what most people are thinking but are to afraid to say it! also while were on the subject why is p*ki racist but white b*stard is not??
Why not talk about faith? because faith doesn't condone spitting.
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Why did the Asian youth spit? most likely because they are d*ckheads with a poor upbringing.
.
a handful of poppy sellers were threatened by a handful of young pakistani people not because they despise non Muslims, far from it, they don't even know what it means to be a muslim. They were most likely causing trouble with the young Asian and non asian poppy sellers because, they were bored idiots.
.
I am a muslim (who is indian), muslims don't despise english people who are not muslim. We (muslims), do despise the foreign policy of this country to invade and occupy other nations and murdering thousands of its people.
.
You are a bigot not because you say what people are thinking but because you talk ignorant sh*te about subjects you know nothing about i.e islam. you also can't differentiate between a pakistani person and religion.
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On your last point both are racist in my opinion.
[quote][p][bold]Wanpablo[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]spark9990[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Wanpablo[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Wanpablo[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]rugger-tyke[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Wanpablo[/bold] wrote: This is absolutly disgusting, These people should be thrown out of our country, I am not a racist but the way things are going the people who are NOT racist will eventually turn because they are being pushed into it by arrogant abusive Muslims (not indians they have respect) who have no consideration for the people who gave them the life style they have today! It has nothing to do with Race it is all about respect ? I personally feel like a second class citizen in my own town. every day it is getting worse and only reason we will not stop immigration is because the people in power of this country will stop getting the votes to stay in power but that is irrelevant black,white, muslim indian chinese polish I dont care show me respect and I will return the favour but I warn that most people that think like me will change how they think and there will be a revolution mark my words I just hope I am not here when that day comes! Respect to the two young asian girls who had the courage to understand and appreciate what our ancesters have done for our once fine country[/p][/quote]Muslims (not indians they have respect) Didn't realise Muslim was an ethnicity/nationalit y, thanks for the enlightenment.[/p][/quote]no it not ethnicity or nationality. but is it not a muslim that has spat at people/poppies?? because they want sharia law in our country and that is why they are abusing our once great nation and have no respect[/p][/quote]also I am guessing you assume I am racist because I dare to say the truth. Well I dont care what you think. I will wear my poppy with pride and feel sorry for anybody who tries to spit and abuse me for showing respect to heros who gave me a half decent start in life.[/p][/quote]Maybe not a racist but a bigot. . I'm an Indian and a muslim - have I blown your mind? . It was most likely pakistani youths who did the spitting - but don't bring religion into this situation unless you know islam teaches people to spit (which it doesn't - its a disgusting habit). . Also race doesn't really matter, its social up bringing and poverty as mentioned a few times in this massive thread. . I didn't wear a red poppy, I wore a white one - I respect what our gallant heroes did in both world wars. Remembrance and poppy wearing has still allowed wars with people dying in their thousands along with the occupying British soldiers. I will grieve for both but not with a poppy.[/p][/quote]so if it is true in what you say why is it not about faith?? why did the asian youths spit at people/poppies ?? why where people being threatend?? because they dont like the colour or maybe they just dont like poppies i think its more like muslims/pakistanis (just for your sake) dispise english people because we are not muslim?? I would also like you explain why i am a biggot?? because i speak what most people are thinking but are to afraid to say it! also while were on the subject why is p*ki racist but white b*stard is not??[/p][/quote]Why not talk about faith? because faith doesn't condone spitting. . Why did the Asian youth spit? most likely because they are d*ckheads with a poor upbringing. . a handful of poppy sellers were threatened by a handful of young pakistani people not because they despise non Muslims, far from it, they don't even know what it means to be a muslim. They were most likely causing trouble with the young Asian and non asian poppy sellers because, they were bored idiots. . I am a muslim (who is indian), muslims don't despise english people who are not muslim. We (muslims), do despise the foreign policy of this country to invade and occupy other nations and murdering thousands of its people. . You are a bigot not because you say what people are thinking but because you talk ignorant sh*te about subjects you know nothing about i.e islam. you also can't differentiate between a pakistani person and religion. . On your last point both are racist in my opinion. spark9990
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10:00am Thu 17 Nov 11

spark9990 says...

Andy Mac wrote:
Appalled as I am about the main story (which I sadly no longer find 'unbelievable') can I once again point out that these posts contain lots of references to 'Asian scum'. This implies everyone from Asia, yet in my opinion the Indian community have done everything they can to become educated, to integrate and to become English and Bradfordian in their outlook to life, and to tar them with the same brush as the real 'scum' (we all know who they are) is unfair and must be a source of frustration to their efforts and their pride in who they are.
A Hindu leader in this City once pointed out that Muslims and those of Indian faiths arrived here en masse in the 50's on a level playing field, quote:

"They had a level playing field. Because of our hard work,
perseverance and keeping our youth under control, Indian
children are leading in the field of education today. The
responsibility for taking control of Pakistani youths lies
with their parents and community leaders."

Respect to ALL poppy sellers. Never forget.
Why start talking about religion i.e hindu and muslim then end by talking about peoples origin?
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bradford has a class issue not a religious one.
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Most pakistani immigrants of bradford and some begali ones (i'm only speaking about bradford) come from a poor village farming background and have not been able to adapt quickly to modern society with common decency and respect for themselves or others (they are also very ignorant of their own religion which preaches common decency and respect for themselves or others al well as good character and behaviour - something which was not taught to them in the villages). The new young generation of pakistanis in bradford are decent and sensible - but like in other sections of bradford you will get d*ckhead chavs who p*ss around just for the sake of it.
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I am a muslim (of indian origin), I have a good education and job - my folks come from a large Indian city. I was taught about my religion (islam) from authentic classical islam books not hearsay - it goes into depth about good character, behaviour, common decency, cleanliness etc.
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The pakistani youths of bradford are not all bad and should be looked down upon because of a few d*ckheads.
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You can keep saying never forget but look at the last 10 years of this country invading and occupying other nations murdering thousands. People in this country have got amnesia by wearing a red poppy.
[quote][p][bold]Andy Mac[/bold] wrote: Appalled as I am about the main story (which I sadly no longer find 'unbelievable') can I once again point out that these posts contain lots of references to 'Asian scum'. This implies everyone from Asia, yet in my opinion the Indian community have done everything they can to become educated, to integrate and to become English and Bradfordian in their outlook to life, and to tar them with the same brush as the real 'scum' (we all know who they are) is unfair and must be a source of frustration to their efforts and their pride in who they are. A Hindu leader in this City once pointed out that Muslims and those of Indian faiths arrived here en masse in the 50's on a level playing field, quote: "They had a level playing field. Because of our hard work, perseverance and keeping our youth under control, Indian children are leading in the field of education today. The responsibility for taking control of Pakistani youths lies with their parents and community leaders." Respect to ALL poppy sellers. Never forget.[/p][/quote]Why start talking about religion i.e hindu and muslim then end by talking about peoples origin? . bradford has a class issue not a religious one. . Most pakistani immigrants of bradford and some begali ones (i'm only speaking about bradford) come from a poor village farming background and have not been able to adapt quickly to modern society with common decency and respect for themselves or others (they are also very ignorant of their own religion which preaches common decency and respect for themselves or others al well as good character and behaviour - something which was not taught to them in the villages). The new young generation of pakistanis in bradford are decent and sensible - but like in other sections of bradford you will get d*ckhead chavs who p*ss around just for the sake of it. . I am a muslim (of indian origin), I have a good education and job - my folks come from a large Indian city. I was taught about my religion (islam) from authentic classical islam books not hearsay - it goes into depth about good character, behaviour, common decency, cleanliness etc. . The pakistani youths of bradford are not all bad and should be looked down upon because of a few d*ckheads. . You can keep saying never forget but look at the last 10 years of this country invading and occupying other nations murdering thousands. People in this country have got amnesia by wearing a red poppy. spark9990
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10:37am Thu 17 Nov 11

Andy Mac says...

spark9990
I respect your opinion and you sound like a level-headed educated person. However, I disagree on you with a couple of points.
1)Bradford has a race and religion issue above any class issue. Fact.
2) ON THE WHOLE, non-muslim Indians have settled and integrated far better than muslim Pakistani / Bangladeshis. Fact.
In addition, this country wrongly or rightly does get involved in overseas issues, this I cannot deny. However it is the politics that are in question, not the actions of the troops (and any race / religion) who are sent there to follow orders. To call it "invading other lands" is naive and I think on that point there may be evidence that you have been listening to the wrong people when forming your opinions.
There is a reason for wearing a red poppy in November in this country .... that is not to remember political actions but to remember the sacrifice made by normal people of all races and religions in all wars across the whole world for the last 100 years or more.
Am I correct in thinking that India lost more citizens in WW1 than any other country ? India in those days included Pakistan but ALL losses are remembered.
spark9990 I respect your opinion and you sound like a level-headed educated person. However, I disagree on you with a couple of points. 1)Bradford has a race and religion issue above any class issue. Fact. 2) ON THE WHOLE, non-muslim Indians have settled and integrated far better than muslim Pakistani / Bangladeshis. Fact. In addition, this country wrongly or rightly does get involved in overseas issues, this I cannot deny. However it is the politics that are in question, not the actions of the troops (and any race / religion) who are sent there to follow orders. To call it "invading other lands" is naive and I think on that point there may be evidence that you have been listening to the wrong people when forming your opinions. There is a reason for wearing a red poppy in November in this country .... that is not to remember political actions but to remember the sacrifice made by normal people of all races and religions in all wars across the whole world for the last 100 years or more. Am I correct in thinking that India lost more citizens in WW1 than any other country ? India in those days included Pakistan but ALL losses are remembered. Andy Mac
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11:27am Thu 17 Nov 11

Chillum Bantam says...

Andy Mac wrote:
spark9990
I respect your opinion and you sound like a level-headed educated person. However, I disagree on you with a couple of points.
1)Bradford has a race and religion issue above any class issue. Fact.
2) ON THE WHOLE, non-muslim Indians have settled and integrated far better than muslim Pakistani / Bangladeshis. Fact.
In addition, this country wrongly or rightly does get involved in overseas issues, this I cannot deny. However it is the politics that are in question, not the actions of the troops (and any race / religion) who are sent there to follow orders. To call it "invading other lands" is naive and I think on that point there may be evidence that you have been listening to the wrong people when forming your opinions.
There is a reason for wearing a red poppy in November in this country .... that is not to remember political actions but to remember the sacrifice made by normal people of all races and religions in all wars across the whole world for the last 100 years or more.
Am I correct in thinking that India lost more citizens in WW1 than any other country ? India in those days included Pakistan but ALL losses are remembered.
well said.
[quote][p][bold]Andy Mac[/bold] wrote: spark9990 I respect your opinion and you sound like a level-headed educated person. However, I disagree on you with a couple of points. 1)Bradford has a race and religion issue above any class issue. Fact. 2) ON THE WHOLE, non-muslim Indians have settled and integrated far better than muslim Pakistani / Bangladeshis. Fact. In addition, this country wrongly or rightly does get involved in overseas issues, this I cannot deny. However it is the politics that are in question, not the actions of the troops (and any race / religion) who are sent there to follow orders. To call it "invading other lands" is naive and I think on that point there may be evidence that you have been listening to the wrong people when forming your opinions. There is a reason for wearing a red poppy in November in this country .... that is not to remember political actions but to remember the sacrifice made by normal people of all races and religions in all wars across the whole world for the last 100 years or more. Am I correct in thinking that India lost more citizens in WW1 than any other country ? India in those days included Pakistan but ALL losses are remembered.[/p][/quote]well said. Chillum Bantam
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11:30am Thu 17 Nov 11

MeccaBingo1 says...

spark9990 wrote:
Wanpablo wrote:
spark9990 wrote:
Wanpablo wrote:
Wanpablo wrote:
rugger-tyke wrote:
Wanpablo wrote:
This is absolutly disgusting, These people should be thrown out of our country, I am not a racist but the way things are going the people who are NOT racist will eventually turn because they are being pushed into it by arrogant abusive Muslims (not indians they have respect) who have no consideration for the people who gave them the life style they have today! It has nothing to do with Race it is all about respect ? I personally feel like a second class citizen in my own town. every day it is getting worse and only reason we will not stop immigration is because the people in power of this country will stop getting the votes to stay in power but that is irrelevant black,white, muslim indian chinese polish I dont care show me respect and I will return the favour but I warn that most people that think like me will change how they think and there will be a revolution mark my words I just hope I am not here when that day comes! Respect to the two young asian girls who had the courage to understand and appreciate what our ancesters have done for our once fine country
Muslims (not indians they have respect)

Didn't realise Muslim was an ethnicity/nationalit






y, thanks for the enlightenment.
no it not ethnicity or nationality. but is it not a muslim that has spat at people/poppies?? because they want sharia law in our country and that is why they are abusing our once great nation and have no respect
also I am guessing you assume I am racist because I dare to say the truth. Well I dont care what you think. I will wear my poppy with pride and feel sorry for anybody who tries to spit and abuse me for showing respect to heros who gave me a half decent start in life.
Maybe not a racist but a bigot.
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I'm an Indian and a muslim - have I blown your mind?
.
It was most likely pakistani youths who did the spitting - but don't bring religion into this situation unless you know islam teaches people to spit (which it doesn't - its a disgusting habit).
.
Also race doesn't really matter, its social up bringing and poverty as mentioned a few times in this massive thread.
.
I didn't wear a red poppy, I wore a white one - I respect what our gallant heroes did in both world wars. Remembrance and poppy wearing has still allowed wars with people dying in their thousands along with the occupying British soldiers. I will grieve for both but not with a poppy.
so if it is true in what you say why is it not about faith?? why did the asian youths spit at people/poppies ?? why where people being threatend?? because they dont like the colour or maybe they just dont like poppies i think its more like muslims/pakistanis (just for your sake) dispise english people because we are not muslim?? I would also like you explain why i am a biggot?? because i speak what most people are thinking but are to afraid to say it! also while were on the subject why is p*ki racist but white b*stard is not??
Why not talk about faith? because faith doesn't condone spitting.
.
Why did the Asian youth spit? most likely because they are d*ckheads with a poor upbringing.
.
a handful of poppy sellers were threatened by a handful of young pakistani people not because they despise non Muslims, far from it, they don't even know what it means to be a muslim. They were most likely causing trouble with the young Asian and non asian poppy sellers because, they were bored idiots.
.
I am a muslim (who is indian), muslims don't despise english people who are not muslim. We (muslims), do despise the foreign policy of this country to invade and occupy other nations and murdering thousands of its people.
.
You are a bigot not because you say what people are thinking but because you talk ignorant sh*te about subjects you know nothing about i.e islam. you also can't differentiate between a pakistani person and religion.
.
On your last point both are racist in my opinion.
What your excuse for the TAXI DRIVERS then? it was not only a few young asian men as reported! I bet you the very same people have no issues in taking money off of people also wearing poppies.
[quote][p][bold]spark9990[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Wanpablo[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]spark9990[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Wanpablo[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Wanpablo[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]rugger-tyke[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Wanpablo[/bold] wrote: This is absolutly disgusting, These people should be thrown out of our country, I am not a racist but the way things are going the people who are NOT racist will eventually turn because they are being pushed into it by arrogant abusive Muslims (not indians they have respect) who have no consideration for the people who gave them the life style they have today! It has nothing to do with Race it is all about respect ? I personally feel like a second class citizen in my own town. every day it is getting worse and only reason we will not stop immigration is because the people in power of this country will stop getting the votes to stay in power but that is irrelevant black,white, muslim indian chinese polish I dont care show me respect and I will return the favour but I warn that most people that think like me will change how they think and there will be a revolution mark my words I just hope I am not here when that day comes! Respect to the two young asian girls who had the courage to understand and appreciate what our ancesters have done for our once fine country[/p][/quote]Muslims (not indians they have respect) Didn't realise Muslim was an ethnicity/nationalit y, thanks for the enlightenment.[/p][/quote]no it not ethnicity or nationality. but is it not a muslim that has spat at people/poppies?? because they want sharia law in our country and that is why they are abusing our once great nation and have no respect[/p][/quote]also I am guessing you assume I am racist because I dare to say the truth. Well I dont care what you think. I will wear my poppy with pride and feel sorry for anybody who tries to spit and abuse me for showing respect to heros who gave me a half decent start in life.[/p][/quote]Maybe not a racist but a bigot. . I'm an Indian and a muslim - have I blown your mind? . It was most likely pakistani youths who did the spitting - but don't bring religion into this situation unless you know islam teaches people to spit (which it doesn't - its a disgusting habit). . Also race doesn't really matter, its social up bringing and poverty as mentioned a few times in this massive thread. . I didn't wear a red poppy, I wore a white one - I respect what our gallant heroes did in both world wars. Remembrance and poppy wearing has still allowed wars with people dying in their thousands along with the occupying British soldiers. I will grieve for both but not with a poppy.[/p][/quote]so if it is true in what you say why is it not about faith?? why did the asian youths spit at people/poppies ?? why where people being threatend?? because they dont like the colour or maybe they just dont like poppies i think its more like muslims/pakistanis (just for your sake) dispise english people because we are not muslim?? I would also like you explain why i am a biggot?? because i speak what most people are thinking but are to afraid to say it! also while were on the subject why is p*ki racist but white b*stard is not??[/p][/quote]Why not talk about faith? because faith doesn't condone spitting. . Why did the Asian youth spit? most likely because they are d*ckheads with a poor upbringing. . a handful of poppy sellers were threatened by a handful of young pakistani people not because they despise non Muslims, far from it, they don't even know what it means to be a muslim. They were most likely causing trouble with the young Asian and non asian poppy sellers because, they were bored idiots. . I am a muslim (who is indian), muslims don't despise english people who are not muslim. We (muslims), do despise the foreign policy of this country to invade and occupy other nations and murdering thousands of its people. . You are a bigot not because you say what people are thinking but because you talk ignorant sh*te about subjects you know nothing about i.e islam. you also can't differentiate between a pakistani person and religion. . On your last point both are racist in my opinion.[/p][/quote]What your excuse for the TAXI DRIVERS then? it was not only a few young asian men as reported! I bet you the very same people have no issues in taking money off of people also wearing poppies. MeccaBingo1
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12:06pm Thu 17 Nov 11

bingleybantam-ms54 says...

Well here we go again with the good old T&A's pathalogical inability to name and shame the ethnicity of the "scum" who did these foul acts, whilst immediately pleading the plight of the "poor asian cadets who were abused because of the colour of their skin" ......yet leaving the unspoken notion that "as they were asian"..... it could only be the work of BNP or EDL white caucasian riff raff who would do this??? .............100% W.R.O.N.G!! THE only PEOPLE RESPONSIBLE for these appalling crimes are (Surprise Surprise) Young Ferrel Pakistani Asians who as a sub group type increasdingly seem to be devoid of ANY moral compass - Full Stop! ...........At least thats what was reported in various UK media yesterday.......... So the question remains dear readers "IF" they (the UK media) can report THE TRUTH of the matter fully???? Then WHY oh WHY can't The T&A??? Why is it that at almost EVERY opportunity the T&A slavishly praise almost "anything Asian" no matter how trivial, yet seemingly turn a complete "Blind Eye" to the multiple ills & woes that this "community" (sic!) have inflicted upon a once proud Northern working class city over the last 40 years. Am I suirprised by the actions of this filth?? Absolutely NOT - for 10 years ago both my 2 daughters and other none Asian girl friends were Racially abused - called White Whores - were propositioned and SPAT AT for simply standing in their Bradford Girls Grammar School uniform after school waiting for a lift home from their Mum! Lovely isn't? We reported this and got ABSOLUTELY NOWHERE..... Can you imagine the alternative response if this had been white lads doing this to Burka covered Asian school girls outside their school or mosque ? Police wise, All hell would have broken loose and I am 100% sure that the T&A would've run "Banner Headlines" on the incident probably for days! So whats different ?? Oh I FORGOT - My daughters were White English Girls - Silly ME! .....GOD ALONE KNOWS how many acts of racial hate crime at ALL ends of the spectrum occur against the historicly indigenous population around these parts........ But I would wager that the percentage that are properly criminally investigated and / or "properly reported" by the T&A is absolutely miniscule as compared to the time, effeort and resources that are allocated in dealing with similar matters wherein the "minority community" are the wronged party. Very simply the average decent moderate Briton has Totally HAD ENOUGH of these people and how they treat the rest of society who are not of their group type and in so doing they are laying down the foundations for moderate British people to consider espousing radical political persuasions - purely because they feel Ignored - Marginalised & Discriminated against within their own kingdom - especially at a time of unprecedented economic hardship. So come on T&A ....."The people" are getting angry. It is YOUR DUTY to reprt matters truthfully, candidly and transparently and if that puts certain group types noses out of joint ... then tough luck - If the cap fits... etc etc. Final word - If or when this filth are caught WHY NOT SET AN EXAMPLE? They clearly despise our causes, service men&women and their values?
Well if thats the case then ......just convict them all and DEPORT the guilty culprits back to Lah Lah Land or wherever the hell they come from along with EVERY member of their families. Job sorted I believe? Or at least it might make other similar hateful malcontents think twice about simiar actions in the future! Utterly Disgusting!
Well here we go again with the good old T&A's pathalogical inability to name and shame the ethnicity of the "scum" who did these foul acts, whilst immediately pleading the plight of the "poor asian cadets who were abused because of the colour of their skin" ......yet leaving the unspoken notion that "as they were asian"..... it could only be the work of BNP or EDL white caucasian riff raff who would do this??? .............100% W.R.O.N.G!! THE only PEOPLE RESPONSIBLE for these appalling crimes are (Surprise Surprise) Young Ferrel Pakistani Asians who as a sub group type increasdingly seem to be devoid of ANY moral compass - Full Stop! ...........At least thats what was reported in various UK media yesterday.......... So the question remains dear readers "IF" they (the UK media) can report THE TRUTH of the matter fully???? Then WHY oh WHY can't The T&A??? Why is it that at almost EVERY opportunity the T&A slavishly praise almost "anything Asian" no matter how trivial, yet seemingly turn a complete "Blind Eye" to the multiple ills & woes that this "community" (sic!) have inflicted upon a once proud Northern working class city over the last 40 years. Am I suirprised by the actions of this filth?? Absolutely NOT - for 10 years ago both my 2 daughters and other none Asian girl friends were Racially abused - called White Whores - were propositioned and SPAT AT for simply standing in their Bradford Girls Grammar School uniform after school waiting for a lift home from their Mum! Lovely isn't? We reported this and got ABSOLUTELY NOWHERE..... Can you imagine the alternative response if this had been white lads doing this to Burka covered Asian school girls outside their school or mosque ? Police wise, All hell would have broken loose and I am 100% sure that the T&A would've run "Banner Headlines" on the incident probably for days! So whats different ?? Oh I FORGOT - My daughters were White English Girls - Silly ME! .....GOD ALONE KNOWS how many acts of racial hate crime at ALL ends of the spectrum occur against the historicly indigenous population around these parts........ But I would wager that the percentage that are properly criminally investigated and / or "properly reported" by the T&A is absolutely miniscule as compared to the time, effeort and resources that are allocated in dealing with similar matters wherein the "minority community" are the wronged party. Very simply the average decent moderate Briton has Totally HAD ENOUGH of these people and how they treat the rest of society who are not of their group type and in so doing they are laying down the foundations for moderate British people to consider espousing radical political persuasions - purely because they feel Ignored - Marginalised & Discriminated against within their own kingdom - especially at a time of unprecedented economic hardship. So come on T&A ....."The people" are getting angry. It is YOUR DUTY to reprt matters truthfully, candidly and transparently and if that puts certain group types noses out of joint ... then tough luck - If the cap fits... etc etc. Final word - If or when this filth are caught WHY NOT SET AN EXAMPLE? They clearly despise our causes, service men&women and their values? Well if thats the case then ......just convict them all and DEPORT the guilty culprits back to Lah Lah Land or wherever the hell they come from along with EVERY member of their families. Job sorted I believe? Or at least it might make other similar hateful malcontents think twice about simiar actions in the future! Utterly Disgusting! bingleybantam-ms54
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12:07pm Thu 17 Nov 11

bingleybantam-ms54 says...

Well here we go again with the good old T&A's pathalogical inability to name and shame the ethnicity of the "scum" who did these foul acts, whilst immediately pleading the plight of the "poor asian cadets who were abused because of the colour of their skin" ......yet leaving the unspoken notion that "as they were asian"..... it could only be the work of BNP or EDL white caucasian riff raff who would do this??? .............100% W.R.O.N.G!! THE only PEOPLE RESPONSIBLE for these appalling crimes are (Surprise Surprise) Young Ferrel Pakistani Asians who as a sub group type increasdingly seem to be devoid of ANY moral compass - Full Stop! ...........At least thats what was reported in various UK media yesterday.......... So the question remains dear readers "IF" they (the UK media) can report THE TRUTH of the matter fully???? Then WHY oh WHY can't The T&A??? Why is it that at almost EVERY opportunity the T&A slavishly praise almost "anything Asian" no matter how trivial, yet seemingly turn a complete "Blind Eye" to the multiple ills & woes that this "community" (sic!) have inflicted upon a once proud Northern working class city over the last 40 years. Am I suirprised by the actions of this filth?? Absolutely NOT - for 10 years ago both my 2 daughters and other none Asian girl friends were Racially abused - called White Whores - were propositioned and SPAT AT for simply standing in their Bradford Girls Grammar School uniform after school waiting for a lift home from their Mum! Lovely isn't? We reported this and got ABSOLUTELY NOWHERE..... Can you imagine the alternative response if this had been white lads doing this to Burka covered Asian school girls outside their school or mosque ? Police wise, All hell would have broken loose and I am 100% sure that the T&A would've run "Banner Headlines" on the incident probably for days! So whats different ?? Oh I FORGOT - My daughters were White English Girls - Silly ME! .....GOD ALONE KNOWS how many acts of racial hate crime at ALL ends of the spectrum occur against the historicly indigenous population around these parts........ But I would wager that the percentage that are properly criminally investigated and / or "properly reported" by the T&A is absolutely miniscule as compared to the time, effeort and resources that are allocated in dealing with similar matters wherein the "minority community" are the wronged party. Very simply the average decent moderate Briton has Totally HAD ENOUGH of these people and how they treat the rest of society who are not of their group type and in so doing they are laying down the foundations for moderate British people to consider espousing radical political persuasions - purely because they feel Ignored - Marginalised & Discriminated against within their own kingdom - especially at a time of unprecedented economic hardship. So come on T&A ....."The people" are getting angry. It is YOUR DUTY to reprt matters truthfully, candidly and transparently and if that puts certain group types noses out of joint ... then tough luck - If the cap fits... etc etc. Final word - If or when this filth are caught WHY NOT SET AN EXAMPLE? They clearly despise our causes, service men&women and their values?
Well if thats the case then ......just convict them all and DEPORT the guilty culprits back to Lah Lah Land or wherever the hell they come from along with EVERY member of their families. Job sorted I believe? Or at least it might make other similar hateful malcontents think twice about simiar actions in the future! Utterly Disgusting!
Well here we go again with the good old T&A's pathalogical inability to name and shame the ethnicity of the "scum" who did these foul acts, whilst immediately pleading the plight of the "poor asian cadets who were abused because of the colour of their skin" ......yet leaving the unspoken notion that "as they were asian"..... it could only be the work of BNP or EDL white caucasian riff raff who would do this??? .............100% W.R.O.N.G!! THE only PEOPLE RESPONSIBLE for these appalling crimes are (Surprise Surprise) Young Ferrel Pakistani Asians who as a sub group type increasdingly seem to be devoid of ANY moral compass - Full Stop! ...........At least thats what was reported in various UK media yesterday.......... So the question remains dear readers "IF" they (the UK media) can report THE TRUTH of the matter fully???? Then WHY oh WHY can't The T&A??? Why is it that at almost EVERY opportunity the T&A slavishly praise almost "anything Asian" no matter how trivial, yet seemingly turn a complete "Blind Eye" to the multiple ills & woes that this "community" (sic!) have inflicted upon a once proud Northern working class city over the last 40 years. Am I suirprised by the actions of this filth?? Absolutely NOT - for 10 years ago both my 2 daughters and other none Asian girl friends were Racially abused - called White Whores - were propositioned and SPAT AT for simply standing in their Bradford Girls Grammar School uniform after school waiting for a lift home from their Mum! Lovely isn't? We reported this and got ABSOLUTELY NOWHERE..... Can you imagine the alternative response if this had been white lads doing this to Burka covered Asian school girls outside their school or mosque ? Police wise, All hell would have broken loose and I am 100% sure that the T&A would've run "Banner Headlines" on the incident probably for days! So whats different ?? Oh I FORGOT - My daughters were White English Girls - Silly ME! .....GOD ALONE KNOWS how many acts of racial hate crime at ALL ends of the spectrum occur against the historicly indigenous population around these parts........ But I would wager that the percentage that are properly criminally investigated and / or "properly reported" by the T&A is absolutely miniscule as compared to the time, effeort and resources that are allocated in dealing with similar matters wherein the "minority community" are the wronged party. Very simply the average decent moderate Briton has Totally HAD ENOUGH of these people and how they treat the rest of society who are not of their group type and in so doing they are laying down the foundations for moderate British people to consider espousing radical political persuasions - purely because they feel Ignored - Marginalised & Discriminated against within their own kingdom - especially at a time of unprecedented economic hardship. So come on T&A ....."The people" are getting angry. It is YOUR DUTY to reprt matters truthfully, candidly and transparently and if that puts certain group types noses out of joint ... then tough luck - If the cap fits... etc etc. Final word - If or when this filth are caught WHY NOT SET AN EXAMPLE? They clearly despise our causes, service men&women and their values? Well if thats the case then ......just convict them all and DEPORT the guilty culprits back to Lah Lah Land or wherever the hell they come from along with EVERY member of their families. Job sorted I believe? Or at least it might make other similar hateful malcontents think twice about simiar actions in the future! Utterly Disgusting! bingleybantam-ms54
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12:30pm Thu 17 Nov 11

Chillum Bantam says...

"10 years ago both my 2 daughters and other none Asian girl friends were Racially abused" what do you mean bingleybantam-ms54, none Asian girl friends? Who were they?
"10 years ago both my 2 daughters and other none Asian girl friends were Racially abused" what do you mean bingleybantam-ms54, none Asian girl friends? Who were they? Chillum Bantam
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12:46pm Thu 17 Nov 11

Forseti says...

Bloody Hell, Bingley Bantam are you going for it or what!
Bloody Hell, Bingley Bantam are you going for it or what! Forseti
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12:55pm Thu 17 Nov 11

bcfc1903 says...

Prisoner Cell Block A wrote:
Bcfc03, whilst actually agreeing with your chastisement of my description as it was too wide a generalisation but I do not retract the sentiment therein as I believe it to be true as I know it to be true. A realist not an ideologist. I see it every day, I now live in bd2 and drive to work in bd3, I speak as I see only.

I also am fully aware of the great service and sacrifice given by many men and families from SE Asia and was totally disgusted with the denials received by the Gurkha regiments. Many a tale of brotherly comradeship and bravery were shared by my grandfather and his time in camps during his para years.

If you fully read my post and understood that sentiment I was trying to explain the viewpoint from old family friends who were and still are pakistani males and Muslims too. Their hope and wish for at least more tolerance and understanding on all sides is dashed by the actions of that certain section of society I was describing. Even in a more harmful way than the actual EDL, chav-scum as one of our erstwhile roving reporters likes to label most contributors to these columns. If they disagree with him obviously.
Got to say that this isolated incident doesn't warrant this amount of replys, for me there are some on this thread with an agenda to hammer the city at every opportuity. You look at the vast majority of youth in this great city and low and behold they go around getting on with their lives in a law abiding manor, a few morons decide to spit at two young cadets and it's like the whole pakistani youth is at it, i'm pretty certain that some people of Pakistani decent will have been abused by white youths, sad, i know, but a fact of life. The City of Bradford deserves far better than to be pilloried when a some numpties decide to do something as moronic as this, after all, imo there will have been other incidents in other cities that received no publicity whatsoever. How strange that a city that has a lower crime rate than Manchester and Leeds to name but two get's nationwide publicity when a small group of idiots abuse two cadets. For me there is another agenda at work, possibly some 'anti-Semitism' with the city of Bradford being built on the back of German Jewish textile export expertise. Who knows, but i do know this moronic isolated incident doesn't deserve to tarnish our great city's reputation.
[quote][p][bold]Prisoner Cell Block A[/bold] wrote: Bcfc03, whilst actually agreeing with your chastisement of my description as it was too wide a generalisation but I do not retract the sentiment therein as I believe it to be true as I know it to be true. A realist not an ideologist. I see it every day, I now live in bd2 and drive to work in bd3, I speak as I see only. I also am fully aware of the great service and sacrifice given by many men and families from SE Asia and was totally disgusted with the denials received by the Gurkha regiments. Many a tale of brotherly comradeship and bravery were shared by my grandfather and his time in camps during his para years. If you fully read my post and understood that sentiment I was trying to explain the viewpoint from old family friends who were and still are pakistani males and Muslims too. Their hope and wish for at least more tolerance and understanding on all sides is dashed by the actions of that certain section of society I was describing. Even in a more harmful way than the actual EDL, chav-scum as one of our erstwhile roving reporters likes to label most contributors to these columns. If they disagree with him obviously.[/p][/quote]Got to say that this isolated incident doesn't warrant this amount of replys, for me there are some on this thread with an agenda to hammer the city at every opportuity. You look at the vast majority of youth in this great city and low and behold they go around getting on with their lives in a law abiding manor, a few morons decide to spit at two young cadets and it's like the whole pakistani youth is at it, i'm pretty certain that some people of Pakistani decent will have been abused by white youths, sad, i know, but a fact of life. The City of Bradford deserves far better than to be pilloried when a some numpties decide to do something as moronic as this, after all, imo there will have been other incidents in other cities that received no publicity whatsoever. How strange that a city that has a lower crime rate than Manchester and Leeds to name but two get's nationwide publicity when a small group of idiots abuse two cadets. For me there is another agenda at work, possibly some 'anti-Semitism' with the city of Bradford being built on the back of German Jewish textile export expertise. Who knows, but i do know this moronic isolated incident doesn't deserve to tarnish our great city's reputation. bcfc1903
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1:02pm Thu 17 Nov 11

SouthEastAsianBradfordian says...

yawn
yawn SouthEastAsianBradfordian
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1:49pm Thu 17 Nov 11

NCC.1701A says...

When caught, automatically draught these idiots into the army for 5 years, give them a taste of army life, and why people honour our armed forces both past and present by buying a poppy.
When caught, automatically draught these idiots into the army for 5 years, give them a taste of army life, and why people honour our armed forces both past and present by buying a poppy. NCC.1701A
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3:47pm Thu 17 Nov 11

Clowny says...

@bcfc1903, the report is plural, there were incident*s*, indeed some of the lasses have already posted saying they had abuse all day.
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"me and my mate spent the whole day getting abuse for selling poppies"
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Incidents included: l A 13-year-old female Army Cadet suffering a young thug spitting in her face; l Two Asian girl cadets getting verbal abuse for selling poppies due to the colour of their skins; l Two *other* sellers being set upon in the city centre; l A gang threatening *other* selllers for their collecting tins.
@bcfc1903, the report is plural, there were incident*s*, indeed some of the lasses have already posted saying they had abuse all day. . "me and my mate spent the whole day getting abuse for selling poppies" . Incidents included: l A 13-year-old female Army Cadet suffering a young thug spitting in her face; l Two Asian girl cadets getting verbal abuse for selling poppies due to the colour of their skins; l Two *other* sellers being set upon in the city centre; l A gang threatening *other* selllers for their collecting tins. Clowny
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4:04pm Thu 17 Nov 11

rugger-tyke says...

Why have people naturally assumed it was a 'Pakistani' seeing as the article mentions 'Asian', a description that could apply to even many of the darker skinned Eastern Europeans that have settled here.

It was a despicable act and a very sketchy report, having combined the spitting incident and the fact some twerp tried robbing the money yet lead with 'Asian civil spat'.

As for Paolo; I suppose we'd only know their motives if they're ever caught yet but to claim their actions are representative of all Muslims is diabolical.

Also, yes, Britain did help out in the Balkans and bombarded Belgrade with no justification, which fueled the war further and they were there with NATO anyhow.
Why have people naturally assumed it was a 'Pakistani' seeing as the article mentions 'Asian', a description that could apply to even many of the darker skinned Eastern Europeans that have settled here. It was a despicable act and a very sketchy report, having combined the spitting incident and the fact some twerp tried robbing the money yet lead with 'Asian civil spat'. As for Paolo; I suppose we'd only know their motives if they're ever caught yet but to claim their actions are representative of all Muslims is diabolical. Also, yes, Britain did help out in the Balkans and bombarded Belgrade with no justification, which fueled the war further and they were there with NATO anyhow. rugger-tyke
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5:30pm Thu 17 Nov 11

Oakenshaw white says...

bingleybantam-ms54 wrote:
Well here we go again with the good old T&A's pathalogical inability to name and shame the ethnicity of the "scum" who did these foul acts, whilst immediately pleading the plight of the "poor asian cadets who were abused because of the colour of their skin" ......yet leaving the unspoken notion that "as they were asian"..... it could only be the work of BNP or EDL white caucasian riff raff who would do this??? .............100% W.R.O.N.G!! THE only PEOPLE RESPONSIBLE for these appalling crimes are (Surprise Surprise) Young Ferrel Pakistani Asians who as a sub group type increasdingly seem to be devoid of ANY moral compass - Full Stop! ...........At least thats what was reported in various UK media yesterday.......... So the question remains dear readers "IF" they (the UK media) can report THE TRUTH of the matter fully???? Then WHY oh WHY can't The T&A??? Why is it that at almost EVERY opportunity the T&A slavishly praise almost "anything Asian" no matter how trivial, yet seemingly turn a complete "Blind Eye" to the multiple ills & woes that this "community" (sic!) have inflicted upon a once proud Northern working class city over the last 40 years. Am I suirprised by the actions of this filth?? Absolutely NOT - for 10 years ago both my 2 daughters and other none Asian girl friends were Racially abused - called White Whores - were propositioned and SPAT AT for simply standing in their Bradford Girls Grammar School uniform after school waiting for a lift home from their Mum! Lovely isn't? We reported this and got ABSOLUTELY NOWHERE..... Can you imagine the alternative response if this had been white lads doing this to Burka covered Asian school girls outside their school or mosque ? Police wise, All hell would have broken loose and I am 100% sure that the T&A would've run "Banner Headlines" on the incident probably for days! So whats different ?? Oh I FORGOT - My daughters were White English Girls - Silly ME! .....GOD ALONE KNOWS how many acts of racial hate crime at ALL ends of the spectrum occur against the historicly indigenous population around these parts........ But I would wager that the percentage that are properly criminally investigated and / or "properly reported" by the T&A is absolutely miniscule as compared to the time, effeort and resources that are allocated in dealing with similar matters wherein the "minority community" are the wronged party. Very simply the average decent moderate Briton has Totally HAD ENOUGH of these people and how they treat the rest of society who are not of their group type and in so doing they are laying down the foundations for moderate British people to consider espousing radical political persuasions - purely because they feel Ignored - Marginalised & Discriminated against within their own kingdom - especially at a time of unprecedented economic hardship. So come on T&A ....."The people" are getting angry. It is YOUR DUTY to reprt matters truthfully, candidly and transparently and if that puts certain group types noses out of joint ... then tough luck - If the cap fits... etc etc. Final word - If or when this filth are caught WHY NOT SET AN EXAMPLE? They clearly despise our causes, service men&women and their values?
Well if thats the case then ......just convict them all and DEPORT the guilty culprits back to Lah Lah Land or wherever the hell they come from along with EVERY member of their families. Job sorted I believe? Or at least it might make other similar hateful malcontents think twice about simiar actions in the future! Utterly Disgusting!
Top post mate.
[quote][p][bold]bingleybantam-ms54[/bold] wrote: Well here we go again with the good old T&A's pathalogical inability to name and shame the ethnicity of the "scum" who did these foul acts, whilst immediately pleading the plight of the "poor asian cadets who were abused because of the colour of their skin" ......yet leaving the unspoken notion that "as they were asian"..... it could only be the work of BNP or EDL white caucasian riff raff who would do this??? .............100% W.R.O.N.G!! THE only PEOPLE RESPONSIBLE for these appalling crimes are (Surprise Surprise) Young Ferrel Pakistani Asians who as a sub group type increasdingly seem to be devoid of ANY moral compass - Full Stop! ...........At least thats what was reported in various UK media yesterday.......... So the question remains dear readers "IF" they (the UK media) can report THE TRUTH of the matter fully???? Then WHY oh WHY can't The T&A??? Why is it that at almost EVERY opportunity the T&A slavishly praise almost "anything Asian" no matter how trivial, yet seemingly turn a complete "Blind Eye" to the multiple ills & woes that this "community" (sic!) have inflicted upon a once proud Northern working class city over the last 40 years. Am I suirprised by the actions of this filth?? Absolutely NOT - for 10 years ago both my 2 daughters and other none Asian girl friends were Racially abused - called White Whores - were propositioned and SPAT AT for simply standing in their Bradford Girls Grammar School uniform after school waiting for a lift home from their Mum! Lovely isn't? We reported this and got ABSOLUTELY NOWHERE..... Can you imagine the alternative response if this had been white lads doing this to Burka covered Asian school girls outside their school or mosque ? Police wise, All hell would have broken loose and I am 100% sure that the T&A would've run "Banner Headlines" on the incident probably for days! So whats different ?? Oh I FORGOT - My daughters were White English Girls - Silly ME! .....GOD ALONE KNOWS how many acts of racial hate crime at ALL ends of the spectrum occur against the historicly indigenous population around these parts........ But I would wager that the percentage that are properly criminally investigated and / or "properly reported" by the T&A is absolutely miniscule as compared to the time, effeort and resources that are allocated in dealing with similar matters wherein the "minority community" are the wronged party. Very simply the average decent moderate Briton has Totally HAD ENOUGH of these people and how they treat the rest of society who are not of their group type and in so doing they are laying down the foundations for moderate British people to consider espousing radical political persuasions - purely because they feel Ignored - Marginalised & Discriminated against within their own kingdom - especially at a time of unprecedented economic hardship. So come on T&A ....."The people" are getting angry. It is YOUR DUTY to reprt matters truthfully, candidly and transparently and if that puts certain group types noses out of joint ... then tough luck - If the cap fits... etc etc. Final word - If or when this filth are caught WHY NOT SET AN EXAMPLE? They clearly despise our causes, service men&women and their values? Well if thats the case then ......just convict them all and DEPORT the guilty culprits back to Lah Lah Land or wherever the hell they come from along with EVERY member of their families. Job sorted I believe? Or at least it might make other similar hateful malcontents think twice about simiar actions in the future! Utterly Disgusting![/p][/quote]Top post mate. Oakenshaw white
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10:00pm Thu 17 Nov 11

mickcbcfc says...

disgusting and deplorable. hope the police get a few of them and teach them a lesson. b**stards!
disgusting and deplorable. hope the police get a few of them and teach them a lesson. b**stards! mickcbcfc
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10:00pm Thu 17 Nov 11

mickcbcfc says...

disgusting and deplorable. hope the police get a few of them and teach them a lesson. b**stards!
disgusting and deplorable. hope the police get a few of them and teach them a lesson. b**stards! mickcbcfc
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8:12am Fri 18 Nov 11

MaSyMaS says...

Bingley Bantam, couldnt have put it better myself. Excellent post!!
Bingley Bantam, couldnt have put it better myself. Excellent post!! MaSyMaS
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8:31am Fri 18 Nov 11

Vaikona says...

SouthEastAsianBradfo
rdian
wrote:
yawn
This is just the type of comment I would expect from a person so un-educated enough to not even to be able to converse properly.
[quote][p][bold]SouthEastAsianBradfo rdian[/bold] wrote: yawn[/p][/quote]This is just the type of comment I would expect from a person so un-educated enough to not even to be able to converse properly. Vaikona
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9:09am Fri 18 Nov 11

bcfc1903 says...

Clowny wrote:
@bcfc1903, the report is plural, there were incident*s*, indeed some of the lasses have already posted saying they had abuse all day.
.
"me and my mate spent the whole day getting abuse for selling poppies"
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Incidents included: l A 13-year-old female Army Cadet suffering a young thug spitting in her face; l Two Asian girl cadets getting verbal abuse for selling poppies due to the colour of their skins; l Two *other* sellers being set upon in the city centre; l A gang threatening *other* selllers for their collecting tins.
I've said there was a couple of despicable incidents, let's add another, it's hardly a condemnation of all Pakistani youth is it. These morons are no more representative of that group than are 'The Ointment' tearing it up before or after a BCFC game are of Bradford City football supporters. This thread has racist undertones, it also could be used to paint an untrue picture of the city. I went down to the Freedom of the City parade for 4th para, the other Sunday, Naveeda Ikram, Bradford's superb Lord Mayor, gave a magnificent speech, before the paras marched through Bradford with their pony mascot, band playing and bayonets fixed. I can't imagine a thread starter about that, having 180 odd replys.
[quote][p][bold]Clowny[/bold] wrote: @bcfc1903, the report is plural, there were incident*s*, indeed some of the lasses have already posted saying they had abuse all day. . "me and my mate spent the whole day getting abuse for selling poppies" . Incidents included: l A 13-year-old female Army Cadet suffering a young thug spitting in her face; l Two Asian girl cadets getting verbal abuse for selling poppies due to the colour of their skins; l Two *other* sellers being set upon in the city centre; l A gang threatening *other* selllers for their collecting tins.[/p][/quote]I've said there was a couple of despicable incidents, let's add another, it's hardly a condemnation of all Pakistani youth is it. These morons are no more representative of that group than are 'The Ointment' tearing it up before or after a BCFC game are of Bradford City football supporters. This thread has racist undertones, it also could be used to paint an untrue picture of the city. I went down to the Freedom of the City parade for 4th para, the other Sunday, Naveeda Ikram, Bradford's superb Lord Mayor, gave a magnificent speech, before the paras marched through Bradford with their pony mascot, band playing and bayonets fixed. I can't imagine a thread starter about that, having 180 odd replys. bcfc1903
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1:18pm Fri 18 Nov 11

Up with the partridge says...

I think the T&A photographic department have overplayed this misery look that they always have when someone has been 'wronged' This mother and daughter take the biscuit for false misery - what a disagreeable photo!
I think the T&A photographic department have overplayed this misery look that they always have when someone has been 'wronged' This mother and daughter take the biscuit for false misery - what a disagreeable photo! Up with the partridge
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2:30pm Fri 18 Nov 11

Clowny says...

bcfc1903 wrote:
Clowny wrote:
@bcfc1903, the report is plural, there were incident*s*, indeed some of the lasses have already posted saying they had abuse all day.
.
"me and my mate spent the whole day getting abuse for selling poppies"
.
Incidents included: l A 13-year-old female Army Cadet suffering a young thug spitting in her face; l Two Asian girl cadets getting verbal abuse for selling poppies due to the colour of their skins; l Two *other* sellers being set upon in the city centre; l A gang threatening *other* selllers for their collecting tins.
I've said there was a couple of despicable incidents, let's add another, it's hardly a condemnation of all Pakistani youth is it. These morons are no more representative of that group than are 'The Ointment' tearing it up before or after a BCFC game are of Bradford City football supporters. This thread has racist undertones, it also could be used to paint an untrue picture of the city. I went down to the Freedom of the City parade for 4th para, the other Sunday, Naveeda Ikram, Bradford's superb Lord Mayor, gave a magnificent speech, before the paras marched through Bradford with their pony mascot, band playing and bayonets fixed. I can't imagine a thread starter about that, having 180 odd replys.
The fact remains it wasn't 1 isolated incident.
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The issue for me is simple, the CCTV in Bradford isn’t fit for purpose, it’s wholly post event use and that is very limited as the cameras are being left static, so are very unlikely to ever capture a crime afterwards. Also the police being relocated to Nelson Street has left a gap that hasn’t been filled even by the new City Hall contact point.
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That failing allowed the poppy sellers to be abused without those responsible being caught at the time, with still no press release or CCTV appeal being published.
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I said this at the start of the week, said there was a genuine problem, already we have a blind women mugged on Centenary Square in daylight without the culprit being caught or even one CCTV from the council system 3 days on.
[quote][p][bold]bcfc1903[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Clowny[/bold] wrote: @bcfc1903, the report is plural, there were incident*s*, indeed some of the lasses have already posted saying they had abuse all day. . "me and my mate spent the whole day getting abuse for selling poppies" . Incidents included: l A 13-year-old female Army Cadet suffering a young thug spitting in her face; l Two Asian girl cadets getting verbal abuse for selling poppies due to the colour of their skins; l Two *other* sellers being set upon in the city centre; l A gang threatening *other* selllers for their collecting tins.[/p][/quote]I've said there was a couple of despicable incidents, let's add another, it's hardly a condemnation of all Pakistani youth is it. These morons are no more representative of that group than are 'The Ointment' tearing it up before or after a BCFC game are of Bradford City football supporters. This thread has racist undertones, it also could be used to paint an untrue picture of the city. I went down to the Freedom of the City parade for 4th para, the other Sunday, Naveeda Ikram, Bradford's superb Lord Mayor, gave a magnificent speech, before the paras marched through Bradford with their pony mascot, band playing and bayonets fixed. I can't imagine a thread starter about that, having 180 odd replys.[/p][/quote]The fact remains it wasn't 1 isolated incident. . The issue for me is simple, the CCTV in Bradford isn’t fit for purpose, it’s wholly post event use and that is very limited as the cameras are being left static, so are very unlikely to ever capture a crime afterwards. Also the police being relocated to Nelson Street has left a gap that hasn’t been filled even by the new City Hall contact point. . That failing allowed the poppy sellers to be abused without those responsible being caught at the time, with still no press release or CCTV appeal being published. . I said this at the start of the week, said there was a genuine problem, already we have a blind women mugged on Centenary Square in daylight without the culprit being caught or even one CCTV from the council system 3 days on. Clowny
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5:55pm Fri 18 Nov 11

Patrick Bateman says...

Clowny said:

'That failing allowed the poppy sellers to be abused without those responsible being caught at the time, with still no press release or CCTV appeal being published'

Perhaps they haven't released the CCTV footage due to the perps, allegedly, being minors ('about 12' according to witnesses). Clearly that wouldn't be appropriate. That said, I'm entirely open to the more obvious possibility that they simply don't have any CCTV footage at all. In either case it's hardly helpful in ID'ing the little scrotes.
Clowny said: 'That failing allowed the poppy sellers to be abused without those responsible being caught at the time, with still no press release or CCTV appeal being published' Perhaps they haven't released the CCTV footage due to the perps, allegedly, being minors ('about 12' according to witnesses). Clearly that wouldn't be appropriate. That said, I'm entirely open to the more obvious possibility that they simply don't have any CCTV footage at all. In either case it's hardly helpful in ID'ing the little scrotes. Patrick Bateman
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6:53pm Fri 18 Nov 11

Clowny says...

Patrick Bateman wrote:
Clowny said:

'That failing allowed the poppy sellers to be abused without those responsible being caught at the time, with still no press release or CCTV appeal being published'

Perhaps they haven't released the CCTV footage due to the perps, allegedly, being minors ('about 12' according to witnesses). Clearly that wouldn't be appropriate. That said, I'm entirely open to the more obvious possibility that they simply don't have any CCTV footage at all. In either case it's hardly helpful in ID'ing the little scrotes.
The age of criminal responsibility is 10 so I can't imagine that's the reason, it's either they have no CCTV or they've already identified and charged those involved, the latter seems unlikely as given the press interest you'd imagine the police would jump at the chance of pointing out their effectiveness.
[quote][p][bold]Patrick Bateman[/bold] wrote: Clowny said: 'That failing allowed the poppy sellers to be abused without those responsible being caught at the time, with still no press release or CCTV appeal being published' Perhaps they haven't released the CCTV footage due to the perps, allegedly, being minors ('about 12' according to witnesses). Clearly that wouldn't be appropriate. That said, I'm entirely open to the more obvious possibility that they simply don't have any CCTV footage at all. In either case it's hardly helpful in ID'ing the little scrotes.[/p][/quote]The age of criminal responsibility is 10 so I can't imagine that's the reason, it's either they have no CCTV or they've already identified and charged those involved, the latter seems unlikely as given the press interest you'd imagine the police would jump at the chance of pointing out their effectiveness. Clowny
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11:37pm Fri 18 Nov 11

TirNaNog says...

smm3511 wrote:
TirNaNog wrote:
smm3511 wrote:
Oldwestbowling wrote:
Willard wrote:
How did we get from the Royal British Legion, Remembrance day and poppies to trying to resurect the idiology behing the Third Reich. Are there a lot of mad people who post on here? We were giving out the poppies because of the sacrifice of our forefathers againt tyrany and intolerence. Parents, teach your children some respect, give them good manners and act as a role model in society, do your bit, work hard and give a bit back and hope that your kids mimic you and not these wanabe gangster rappers and drug dealers. That's it, I said it, blame the parents....monkey see, monkey do.
Well said.
well said my a---, bring back the cane in school, give back parents their rights to chestise their kids wheather in public or at home and bring back proper old fashioned policing. All these rights were taken away and this is what you are left with. I remember when u were afraid to misbehave in school because you had to pay for it and it was embarrasing for you to stand outside the headmasters office waiting to be punished, or my mother telling my father id been bad when he walked thru the door after a hard days work. It will never be as it was until you give back the people their rights
So you want the right to beat your children? You want teachers and Police to have the right to beat your children?
It appears to have worked wonders with you! Who was your English teacher - Richard Dunn? FFS!
Who said beat knob, I said chastise, sorry my English aint as good as yours Knob. Your probably one off those who's kids can never do any wrong am i Correct, even if he commits a crime it could not be him or her no not my kids, get to f--- Knob Just for your info i was raised on Thorpe Edge live in the USA and make a five figure salary, oh and by the way I leave my doors unlocked when i go to bed can you, lol
Ooh touchy!Thorpe Edge you say? It shows! How eloquent! A five-figure salary you say? Well done! So does everyone on minimum wage over here.
As for the doors I don't find it too difficult a chore to flip the 2 uPVC flipper things before I retire to bed. Others are easily pleased it would appear. Lol (Really?)
[quote][p][bold]smm3511[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]TirNaNog[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]smm3511[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Oldwestbowling[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Willard[/bold] wrote: How did we get from the Royal British Legion, Remembrance day and poppies to trying to resurect the idiology behing the Third Reich. Are there a lot of mad people who post on here? We were giving out the poppies because of the sacrifice of our forefathers againt tyrany and intolerence. Parents, teach your children some respect, give them good manners and act as a role model in society, do your bit, work hard and give a bit back and hope that your kids mimic you and not these wanabe gangster rappers and drug dealers. That's it, I said it, blame the parents....monkey see, monkey do.[/p][/quote]Well said.[/p][/quote]well said my a---, bring back the cane in school, give back parents their rights to chestise their kids wheather in public or at home and bring back proper old fashioned policing. All these rights were taken away and this is what you are left with. I remember when u were afraid to misbehave in school because you had to pay for it and it was embarrasing for you to stand outside the headmasters office waiting to be punished, or my mother telling my father id been bad when he walked thru the door after a hard days work. It will never be as it was until you give back the people their rights[/p][/quote]So you want the right to beat your children? You want teachers and Police to have the right to beat your children? It appears to have worked wonders with you! Who was your English teacher - Richard Dunn? FFS![/p][/quote]Who said beat knob, I said chastise, sorry my English aint as good as yours Knob. Your probably one off those who's kids can never do any wrong am i Correct, even if he commits a crime it could not be him or her no not my kids, get to f--- Knob Just for your info i was raised on Thorpe Edge live in the USA and make a five figure salary, oh and by the way I leave my doors unlocked when i go to bed can you, lol[/p][/quote]Ooh touchy!Thorpe Edge you say? It shows! How eloquent! A five-figure salary you say? Well done! So does everyone on minimum wage over here. As for the doors I don't find it too difficult a chore to flip the 2 uPVC flipper things before I retire to bed. Others are easily pleased it would appear. Lol (Really?) TirNaNog
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11:42pm Fri 18 Nov 11

TirNaNog says...

Up with the partridge wrote:
I think the T&A photographic department have overplayed this misery look that they always have when someone has been 'wronged' This mother and daughter take the biscuit for false misery - what a disagreeable photo!
I agree with this poster. The 'look pathetically at the camera' instruction has been done to death.
[quote][p][bold]Up with the partridge[/bold] wrote: I think the T&A photographic department have overplayed this misery look that they always have when someone has been 'wronged' This mother and daughter take the biscuit for false misery - what a disagreeable photo![/p][/quote]I agree with this poster. The 'look pathetically at the camera' instruction has been done to death. TirNaNog
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1:19pm Mon 21 Nov 11

bcfc1903 says...

Clowny wrote:
bcfc1903 wrote:
Clowny wrote:
@bcfc1903, the report is plural, there were incident*s*, indeed some of the lasses have already posted saying they had abuse all day.
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"me and my mate spent the whole day getting abuse for selling poppies"
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Incidents included: l A 13-year-old female Army Cadet suffering a young thug spitting in her face; l Two Asian girl cadets getting verbal abuse for selling poppies due to the colour of their skins; l Two *other* sellers being set upon in the city centre; l A gang threatening *other* selllers for their collecting tins.
I've said there was a couple of despicable incidents, let's add another, it's hardly a condemnation of all Pakistani youth is it. These morons are no more representative of that group than are 'The Ointment' tearing it up before or after a BCFC game are of Bradford City football supporters. This thread has racist undertones, it also could be used to paint an untrue picture of the city. I went down to the Freedom of the City parade for 4th para, the other Sunday, Naveeda Ikram, Bradford's superb Lord Mayor, gave a magnificent speech, before the paras marched through Bradford with their pony mascot, band playing and bayonets fixed. I can't imagine a thread starter about that, having 180 odd replys.
The fact remains it wasn't 1 isolated incident.
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The issue for me is simple, the CCTV in Bradford isn’t fit for purpose, it’s wholly post event use and that is very limited as the cameras are being left static, so are very unlikely to ever capture a crime afterwards. Also the police being relocated to Nelson Street has left a gap that hasn’t been filled even by the new City Hall contact point.
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That failing allowed the poppy sellers to be abused without those responsible being caught at the time, with still no press release or CCTV appeal being published.
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I said this at the start of the week, said there was a genuine problem, already we have a blind women mugged on Centenary Square in daylight without the culprit being caught or even one CCTV from the council system 3 days on.
In regards to the amount of Poppies sold in the Bradford district, these were isolated incidents. I believe that the amount of money raised in the Bradford district by poppy sales has risen year on year, so these isolated incidents will hopefully have had no negative effect on sales and the total even in these tough financial times will rise again this year refilling the local British Legion coffers.
[quote][p][bold]Clowny[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]bcfc1903[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Clowny[/bold] wrote: @bcfc1903, the report is plural, there were incident*s*, indeed some of the lasses have already posted saying they had abuse all day. . "me and my mate spent the whole day getting abuse for selling poppies" . Incidents included: l A 13-year-old female Army Cadet suffering a young thug spitting in her face; l Two Asian girl cadets getting verbal abuse for selling poppies due to the colour of their skins; l Two *other* sellers being set upon in the city centre; l A gang threatening *other* selllers for their collecting tins.[/p][/quote]I've said there was a couple of despicable incidents, let's add another, it's hardly a condemnation of all Pakistani youth is it. These morons are no more representative of that group than are 'The Ointment' tearing it up before or after a BCFC game are of Bradford City football supporters. This thread has racist undertones, it also could be used to paint an untrue picture of the city. I went down to the Freedom of the City parade for 4th para, the other Sunday, Naveeda Ikram, Bradford's superb Lord Mayor, gave a magnificent speech, before the paras marched through Bradford with their pony mascot, band playing and bayonets fixed. I can't imagine a thread starter about that, having 180 odd replys.[/p][/quote]The fact remains it wasn't 1 isolated incident. . The issue for me is simple, the CCTV in Bradford isn’t fit for purpose, it’s wholly post event use and that is very limited as the cameras are being left static, so are very unlikely to ever capture a crime afterwards. Also the police being relocated to Nelson Street has left a gap that hasn’t been filled even by the new City Hall contact point. . That failing allowed the poppy sellers to be abused without those responsible being caught at the time, with still no press release or CCTV appeal being published. . I said this at the start of the week, said there was a genuine problem, already we have a blind women mugged on Centenary Square in daylight without the culprit being caught or even one CCTV from the council system 3 days on.[/p][/quote]In regards to the amount of Poppies sold in the Bradford district, these were isolated incidents. I believe that the amount of money raised in the Bradford district by poppy sales has risen year on year, so these isolated incidents will hopefully have had no negative effect on sales and the total even in these tough financial times will rise again this year refilling the local British Legion coffers. bcfc1903
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3:11pm Mon 21 Nov 11

thepointis says...

My Wife had to step out into a busy road because the pavement was fully blocked by a car parked at a pedestrian crossing, as She stepped into the road a post van just missed her...she complained to the driver who was still sat in his car on the pavement .
Three guys exited the car and attacked her...luckily I was with her ...they threw punches kicks and spat all over us...the attack went on for about 5 mins i had to fend them off.
The police traced the car but never took any action.
Thats why we left Bradford .
My Wife had to step out into a busy road because the pavement was fully blocked by a car parked at a pedestrian crossing, as She stepped into the road a post van just missed her...she complained to the driver who was still sat in his car on the pavement . Three guys exited the car and attacked her...luckily I was with her ...they threw punches kicks and spat all over us...the attack went on for about 5 mins i had to fend them off. The police traced the car but never took any action. Thats why we left Bradford . thepointis
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