Disgust at poppy sellers abused in street (From Bradford Telegraph and Argus)

Patrick Bateman wrote:
Copper Owen West said: '“It will not be tolerated in our city and anyone found to have targeted sellers in this way will be robustly dealt with by both the police and the courts.” Really? Mm..we'll see about that. The 'anyone found' part of that statement makes it pretty clear that they intend to do knack-all about it. Didn't someone report a similar incident happening in The Range shop too? Despicable behaviour. What conclusions can we draw from it?

schroeder wrote:
Some people I know got smiler abuse from chavs when collecting for the Pakistan floods a few years back. They went to the T&A and Keighley News but it was never reported.

JDDixon wrote:
3 Words: NAME AND SHAME. Their MUST be CCTV of at least one of these incidents. I think the police should release the stills and the T&A should print them on the front page!

Forseti wrote:
I am sure that Bradford will continue to turn into an Asian city,the Census will surely confirm that when it is published.In 20 years I would predict a mainly Asian Councillors and culture with a few White Enclaves such as Holmewood and Ravenscliffe.
So be it.
The racism of 30 years ago (and to a lesser extent ,now) will be reversed.

markjoe wrote:

Forseti wrote: I am sure that Bradford will continue to turn into an Asian city,the Census will surely confirm that when it is published.In 20 years I would predict a mainly Asian Councillors and culture with a few White Enclaves such as Holmewood and Ravenscliffe. So be it. The racism of 30 years ago (and to a lesser extent ,now) will be reversed.

I don't think you've read the article. It was both White and Asian people that were abused. It doesn't state what race or nationality the abuser were.

Thee Voice of Reason wrote:

schroeder wrote: Some people I know got smiler abuse from chavs when collecting for the Pakistan floods a few years back. They went to the T&A and Keighley News but it was never reported.

Did you go to the papers with it? They aren't mind readers. It's a disgrace people have the mentality to abuse people giving up their free time for charity, Bring back the stocks for this pondlife and put rotten fruit and veg to good use.

Old Dave wrote:
Is the answer to this bringing back national service for all!!! if everybody did two years between the ages of 16 and 25 then many more would appreciate the sacrifices that service men and women, and their families make. Dont really see how this is a race debate, its a socialogical one based on the fact that there are far too many disrespectful, law ignoring people living in Bradford, and our country in general, who prosper illegally, whilst those honest, hardworking ones among the population struggle to make ends meet in an honest way. benefit fraud and the feeling that this country owes everybody a living is at the heart of it. Just like good people are seen in all the demographic groups in our city, so is the bad. It is not a race issue! we live in a society now where many who consider themselves "working class" dont work!

Old Dave wrote:
Is the answer to this bringing back national service for all!!!
if everybody did two years between the ages of 16 and 25 then many more would appreciate the sacrifices that service men and women, and their families make.
Dont really see how this is a race debate, its a socialogical one based on the fact that there are far too many disrespectful, law ignoring people living in Bradford, and our country in general, who prosper illegally, whilst those honest, hardworking ones among the population struggle to make ends meet in an honest way. benefit fraud and the feeling that this country owes everybody a living is at the heart of it. Just like good people are seen in all the demographic groups in our city, so is the bad. It is not a race issue! we live in a society now where many who consider themselves "working class" dont work!

angry bradfordian wrote:
We should be able to see if the ocean of CCTV cameras in the city centre are of any use then?

Old Dave wrote:
Is the answer to this bringing back national service for all!!!
if everybody did two years between the ages of 16 and 25 then many more would appreciate the sacrifices that service men and women, and their families make.
Dont really see how this is a race debate, its a socialogical one based on the fact that there are far too many disrespectful, law ignoring people living in Bradford, and our country in general, who prosper illegally, whilst those honest, hardworking ones among the population struggle to make ends meet in an honest way. benefit fraud and the feeling that this country owes everybody a living is at the heart of it. Just like good people are seen in all the demographic groups in our city, so is the bad. It is not a race issue! we live in a society now where many who consider themselves "working class" dont work!

bluecorner100 wrote:

Old Dave wrote:
Is the answer to this bringing back national service for all!!! if everybody did two years between the ages of 16 and 25 then many more would appreciate the sacrifices that service men and women, and their families make. Dont really see how this is a race debate, its a socialogical one based on the fact that there are far too many disrespectful, law ignoring people living in Bradford, and our country in general, who prosper illegally, whilst those honest, hardworking ones among the population struggle to make ends meet in an honest way. benefit fraud and the feeling that this country owes everybody a living is at the heart of it. Just like good people are seen in all the demographic groups in our city, so is the bad. It is not a race issue! we live in a society now where many who consider themselves "working class" dont work!

excellent post sir! Unlike the others which have been "opportunistic" at best

angry bradfordian wrote:
We should be able to see if the ocean of CCTV cameras in the city centre are of any use then?

rugger-tyke wrote:

angry bradfordian wrote:
We should be able to see if the ocean of CCTV cameras in the city centre are of any use then?

Indeed, why did the Police not intervene ?? . .

markjoe wrote:

Forseti wrote:
I am sure that Bradford will continue to turn into an Asian city,the Census will surely confirm that when it is published.In 20 years I would predict a mainly Asian Councillors and culture with a few White Enclaves such as Holmewood and Ravenscliffe.
So be it.
The racism of 30 years ago (and to a lesser extent ,now) will be reversed.

I don't think you've read the article. It was both White and Asian people that were abused. It doesn't state what race or nationality the abuser were.

Chillum Bantam wrote:
We all know without any doubt, that absolutely nothing shall be done, what a nothing place we now live in. so sorry I’m going to be sick now.

yangy8 wrote:

markjoe wrote:

Forseti wrote:
I am sure that Bradford will continue to turn into an Asian city,the Census will surely confirm that when it is published.In 20 years I would predict a mainly Asian Councillors and culture with a few White Enclaves such as Holmewood and Ravenscliffe.
So be it.
The racism of 30 years ago (and to a lesser extent ,now) will be reversed.

I don't think you've read the article. It was both White and Asian people that were abused. It doesn't state what race or nationality the abuser were.

it does not state race of abusers and no cctv pics because they don't want you to know who it is because it would become racial and t&a don't want to upset their asian community.
they mention the 2 asian girls to make it look like everyone affected but that is not the true picture of the abusers.
already been stated taxi drivers involved.
white taxi drivers? no chance!

yangy8 wrote:

markjoe wrote:

Forseti wrote:
I am sure that Bradford will continue to turn into an Asian city,the Census will surely confirm that when it is published.In 20 years I would predict a mainly Asian Councillors and culture with a few White Enclaves such as Holmewood and Ravenscliffe.
So be it.
The racism of 30 years ago (and to a lesser extent ,now) will be reversed.

I don't think you've read the article. It was both White and Asian people that were abused. It doesn't state what race or nationality the abuser were.

it does not state race of abusers and no cctv pics because they don't want you to know who it is because it would become racial and t&a don't want to upset their asian community.
they mention the 2 asian girls to make it look like everyone affected but that is not the true picture of the abusers.
already been stated taxi drivers involved.
white taxi drivers? no chance!

Oakenshaw white wrote:
I brought this subject up on Sunday night in the comments section of another story and was accused by certain people of lying and that this dispicable event never happened and was also being accused of been a member of right wing groups because of my log in name (Leeds United fan that's what it refers to), i don't see any of the people that had a go on Sunday on here now to apologise to me or even admitting they were wrong their silence is deafening.

Apollo wrote:
Bradford City Centre should be abandoned by whites - we have to recognise there is now nothing there for us but abuse by scum. It has certainly been abandoned as a no-go area by the utterly useless Police. Let the scum, youth of the community have it and good riddance to both.

yorkshiredude wrote:
I'm sure most people appreciate the sacrifices that service men and women, and their families made for us all without taking National Service. And I'm sure National Service wouldn't stop everyone being ****s either.

I saw loads of poppy sellers out in Bradford last week, didn't sense anything bad would happen. I saw part of the Rememberance Parade in Bradford too and there was nothing wrong in the atmosphere.

The incidents are awful, but there's no need for the negative obsession with race that seems to pervade every single article on here. Incidents like this should be dealt with properly, to show that the city will not take this. People burn poppies, or use armistice day as a reason to cause public disorder offences outside a pub - but society doesn't accept this. BE POSITIVE PEOPLE!

Keyser_Söze wrote:
Look guys; it wasn't exactly clever to sell poppies in an area where the majority are against the war.
.
Come on; it ain't rocket science.

Keyser_Söze wrote:
Look guys; it wasn't exactly clever to sell poppies in an area where the majority are against the war. . Come on; it ain't rocket science.

Thee Voice of Reason wrote:

Keyser_Söze wrote:
Look guys; it wasn't exactly clever to sell poppies in an area where the majority are against the war. . Come on; it ain't rocket science.

The poppy is taken from the battlefields of the first world war, and it remembers all our war dead. What some people feel about the more recent wars shouldn't even come into it.

the Laird wrote:

Keyser_Söze wrote: Look guys; it wasn't exactly clever to sell poppies in an area where the majority are against the war. . Come on; it ain't rocket science.

One sentence that sums up what a cesspit Bradford has become. No wonder so few firms and businesses want to invest here and never ever will.

Keyser_Söze wrote:

Thee Voice of Reason wrote:

Keyser_Söze wrote: Look guys; it wasn't exactly clever to sell poppies in an area where the majority are against the war. . Come on; it ain't rocket science.

The poppy is taken from the battlefields of the first world war, and it remembers all our war dead. What some people feel about the more recent wars shouldn't even come into it.

The poppy is about freemasonry and the Iluminati. . Blood sacrifice.

Keyser_Söze wrote:

Thee Voice of Reason wrote:

Keyser_Söze wrote: Look guys; it wasn't exactly clever to sell poppies in an area where the majority are against the war. . Come on; it ain't rocket science.

The poppy is taken from the battlefields of the first world war, and it remembers all our war dead. What some people feel about the more recent wars shouldn't even come into it.

The poppy is about freemasonry and the Iluminati. . Blood sacrifice.

Keyser_Söze wrote:

Thee Voice of Reason wrote:

Keyser_Söze wrote:
Look guys; it wasn't exactly clever to sell poppies in an area where the majority are against the war. . Come on; it ain't rocket science.

The poppy is taken from the battlefields of the first world war, and it remembers all our war dead. What some people feel about the more recent wars shouldn't even come into it.

The poppy is about freemasonry and the Iluminati.
.
Blood sacrifice.

Keyser_Söze wrote:
Look guys; it wasn't exactly clever to sell poppies in an area where the majority are against the war. . Come on; it ain't rocket science.

Victor Clayton wrote:
Unfortunately it is a problem with race. The Asian girls were singled out because they were Asian, therefore they were traitors. Why is it when you hear if spitting it involves Pakistani males? How often do you hear of a white/ European spitting on someone in the street? Yet I hear stories about Pakistani youths doing it all the time.
I think the Europeans in this City have been tremendously tolerant, but this has been abused by the Pakistani community. On the program about grooming the other night they asked a Pakistani community leader why they targeted white girls. The answer - because there would be no retribution. It is very sad that neither the police nor the politicians have the guts to do anything to protect us. In the same program the lady who presented the program asked the head of a task force if he thought it was a problem within the Pakistani community (a fact that was admitted by some of the Pakistani community leader - to their credit). He started stuttering and nearly had an accident. It was sickening. As an earlier poster said we all want to live in peace to get on with our lives, but surely a basis on which to do it must be that we have the same laws for everyone?

Albion. wrote:

Keyser_Söze wrote:

Thee Voice of Reason wrote:

Keyser_Söze wrote:
Look guys; it wasn't exactly clever to sell poppies in an area where the majority are against the war. . Come on; it ain't rocket science.

The poppy is taken from the battlefields of the first world war, and it remembers all our war dead. What some people feel about the more recent wars shouldn't even come into it.

The poppy is about freemasonry and the Iluminati.
.
Blood sacrifice.

http://www.greatwar.
co.uk/article/rememb
rance-poppy.htm Read this!

Keyser_Söze wrote:

Albion. wrote:

Keyser_Söze wrote:

Thee Voice of Reason wrote:

Keyser_Söze wrote:
Look guys; it wasn't exactly clever to sell poppies in an area where the majority are against the war. . Come on; it ain't rocket science.

The poppy is taken from the battlefields of the first world war, and it remembers all our war dead. What some people feel about the more recent wars shouldn't even come into it.

The poppy is about freemasonry and the Iluminati.
.
Blood sacrifice.

http://www.greatwar.

co.uk/article/rememb

rance-poppy.htm Read this!

They'd like you to think that, Albion.

FP wrote:
These actions of a few have no place in our city. Can I hasten to add that the comments now posted have turned this story into a race debate which is quite frankly disturbing. Having lived hear for nearly 3 decades, I can proudly say Bradford is one of it's kind and I am more than proud to be a Bradfordian through and through.

However what really makes my blood boil is people like 'Albion' and 'Forseti' who like to slag Bradford off with statements which are not only islamophobic but downright xenophobic to say the least. I share no sympathy whatsoever with condescending and arrogant folk like these who sit behind a screen waiting until stories are published along with a comments section to spit out their racist venom.

If you don't like it here in Bradford then jog on!!!

Clowny wrote:

rugger-tyke wrote:

angry bradfordian wrote:
We should be able to see if the ocean of CCTV cameras in the city centre are of any use then?

Indeed, why did the Police not intervene ?? . .

Only 1/3rd of the cameras in Bradford are displayed at any one time (meaning 2/3rds are not even being watched) of that 1/3rd it’s down to the operator simply by chance to spot an incident on any one of about 50 monitors. None of the cameras are auto rotated to capture the entire scene and they’re left for hours or days on end at default angles and zooms. To cut costs often there is a single CCTV covering a 360% space whilst only monitoring less than 90% of that. The odds of being seen whilst being assaulted or worse are 1000’s to 1.

Keyser_Söze wrote:

Thee Voice of Reason wrote:

Keyser_Söze wrote: Look guys; it wasn't exactly clever to sell poppies in an area where the majority are against the war. . Come on; it ain't rocket science.

The poppy is taken from the battlefields of the first world war, and it remembers all our war dead. What some people feel about the more recent wars shouldn't even come into it.

The poppy is about freemasonry and the Iluminati. . Blood sacrifice.

Morehamhead wrote:
Eyup, Keyser_Söze is that you? (rupert-shameful-mur

dock) Fare Thee Well.

Keyser_Söze wrote:

FP wrote:
These actions of a few have no place in our city. Can I hasten to add that the comments now posted have turned this story into a race debate which is quite frankly disturbing. Having lived hear for nearly 3 decades, I can proudly say Bradford is one of it's kind and I am more than proud to be a Bradfordian through and through.

However what really makes my blood boil is people like 'Albion' and 'Forseti' who like to slag Bradford off with statements which are not only islamophobic but downright xenophobic to say the least. I share no sympathy whatsoever with condescending and arrogant folk like these who sit behind a screen waiting until stories are published along with a comments section to spit out their racist venom.

If you don't like it here in Bradford then jog on!!!

The likes of the racist and Islamophobic 'Albion' (and others sympathetic to the BNP/EDL/NF), is no surprise really.
.
Fortunately these sickos are in a minority :)

Albion. wrote:

Morehamhead wrote:
Eyup, Keyser_Söze is that you? (rupert-shameful-mur


dock) Fare Thee Well.

Is it hell it's probably Trevor Wood in one of his many guises.

Keyser_Söze wrote:
Look guys; it wasn't exactly clever to sell poppies in an area where the majority are against the war. . Come on; it ain't rocket science.

ArmyCadets wrote:
The Army Cadets were among many volunteers in Bradford assisting with the 'Poppy appeal'and although it is true that a few of the cadets received some negative comments, which did at the time upset them it has to be said that these people were a minority. The cadets aged between 13 and 18 help out each year with this worthy cause and also show their respect on the Remembrance parade. A minority of people will not deter the good work that they do year upon year. The negatives are very easy to get focussed on..take a look at the positives..every year the collections for the 'Poppy Appeal' grow! We see more and more people, from all different ethnics wearing poppies (even shows like X Factor and Strictly are ensuring the 'Poppy appeal' is supported by introducing new glittery poppy jewellery etc) The asian girls in question, proud to be cadets, gave up their time to help raise loads of money for the appeal, with many people telling them of the fantastic job they were doing (another positive to take on board) The city of Bradford has a large population so these incidents (albeit wrong and most likely from uneducated people) were from but a few of many and hardly worth giving another thought about.
It's obvious from reading many of your comments that you are very patriotic (nothing wrong with that) but lets not lead that on to an attack on the police, the asian communities, the 'chavs' the unemployed, or the state of the country in general..instead lets be positive and keep wearing your poppy with pride, which has a knock on effect and helps those that have suffered from conflict:- i know thats what the cadets will be doing.

Keyser_Söze wrote:
Look guys; it wasn't exactly clever to sell poppies in an area where the majority are against the war.
.
Come on; it ain't rocket science.

ArmyCadets wrote:
The Army Cadets were among many volunteers in Bradford assisting with the 'Poppy appeal'and although it is true that a few of the cadets received some negative comments, which did at the time upset them it has to be said that these people were a minority. The cadets aged between 13 and 18 help out each year with this worthy cause and also show their respect on the Remembrance parade. A minority of people will not deter the good work that they do year upon year. The negatives are very easy to get focussed on..take a look at the positives..every year the collections for the 'Poppy Appeal' grow! We see more and more people, from all different ethnics wearing poppies (even shows like X Factor and Strictly are ensuring the 'Poppy appeal' is supported by introducing new glittery poppy jewellery etc) The asian girls in question, proud to be cadets, gave up their time to help raise loads of money for the appeal, with many people telling them of the fantastic job they were doing (another positive to take on board) The city of Bradford has a large population so these incidents (albeit wrong and most likely from uneducated people) were from but a few of many and hardly worth giving another thought about.
It's obvious from reading many of your comments that you are very patriotic (nothing wrong with that) but lets not lead that on to an attack on the police, the asian communities, the 'chavs' the unemployed, or the state of the country in general..instead lets be positive and keep wearing your poppy with pride, which has a knock on effect and helps those that have suffered from conflict:- i know thats what the cadets will be doing.

Willard wrote:
Oh dear, oh dear, its all here, race, culture, poverty education. Its none of these and some of these. When I grew up, we had nowt, My Dad did two jobs with all his overtime and weekednd work just to make ends meet. But we had pride and we strove to make ourselves better than those that came before. we welcomed like minded people from all backgrounds that wanted to graft their way out of poverty or bad situations. The pride in 'proud' has gone and many young, but not all, habe no respect for what came before, and gang culture is aspired to. We need to belong to a safe and welcoming place and we need to work hard to ensure that the next generation benefit from and not inherit our mistakes. Graft is graft, pride is pride and sub-culture is still sub-culture. We should aspire to be. to belong and not wear the badges of those who hold no respect, no values. All children should leave school being able to read and write, wash themselves, say please and thankyou, and Sir and Madam where needed and have the drive to work hard for what they want. Failure should not be any option and certainly not the only option. Rule Britannia. Now I'm off for a curry at my favourite place in Morley Street

smm3511 wrote:
CCTV, I wonder why the local police & councilars are not pushing to have the cctv footage of this aired on TV. This is clearly a hate/race crime, O sorry I get it, because it was not a white person who was commiting the crime it's not classed as race issue. PRICELESS, Bradfordians need to stick up for themselfs more.

bradmat wrote:
We would have been better off losing ww2

rugger-tyke wrote:

smm3511 wrote:
CCTV, I wonder why the local police & councilars are not pushing to have the cctv footage of this aired on TV. This is clearly a hate/race crime, O sorry I get it, because it was not a white person who was commiting the crime it's not classed as race issue. PRICELESS, Bradfordians need to stick up for themselfs more.

Or because supposedly only 1/3 are operating ??, nincompoop.

As for the RBL publishing the news, it appears they've been loving the negative publicity of late, be it FIFA or a few idiots spouting nonsense, which I refuse to believe has never been done before.

Maybe no scum's attempted to steal the funds before, which has been nicely slotted in amidst 'Asians dubbed traitors attacked'.

Melanie Philips would be proud of the standards of its journalism.

Yorkshire Lass wrote:

yorkshiredude wrote:
I'm sure most people appreciate the sacrifices that service men and women, and their families made for us all without taking National Service. And I'm sure National Service wouldn't stop everyone being ****s either.

I saw loads of poppy sellers out in Bradford last week, didn't sense anything bad would happen. I saw part of the Rememberance Parade in Bradford too and there was nothing wrong in the atmosphere.

The incidents are awful, but there's no need for the negative obsession with race that seems to pervade every single article on here. Incidents like this should be dealt with properly, to show that the city will not take this. People burn poppies, or use armistice day as a reason to cause public disorder offences outside a pub - but society doesn't accept this. BE POSITIVE PEOPLE!

These are not isolated incidents by any means. Ask people who attended Bradford Uni wearing poppies last week. They got told in no uncertain terms to get them ( poppies) off. So you see this feeling is quite widespread amongst certain communities. WHY? We will always remember our brave soldiers NO MATTER WHAT. NO ONE CAN CHANGE THE HISTORY OF THIS COUNTRY.

smm3511 wrote:

bradmat wrote:
We would have been better off losing ww2

I agree, I would much prefer to have my grankids, niece's & nephew's speak German than Hindu or punjabi. It's a total disgrace what is going on at home these days especially in my beloved home town of Bradford. It's almost got to the point I don't want to come home for a visit anymore.

yorkshiredude wrote:

Yorkshire Lass wrote:

yorkshiredude wrote:
I'm sure most people appreciate the sacrifices that service men and women, and their families made for us all without taking National Service. And I'm sure National Service wouldn't stop everyone being ****s either.

I saw loads of poppy sellers out in Bradford last week, didn't sense anything bad would happen. I saw part of the Rememberance Parade in Bradford too and there was nothing wrong in the atmosphere.

The incidents are awful, but there's no need for the negative obsession with race that seems to pervade every single article on here. Incidents like this should be dealt with properly, to show that the city will not take this. People burn poppies, or use armistice day as a reason to cause public disorder offences outside a pub - but society doesn't accept this. BE POSITIVE PEOPLE!

These are not isolated incidents by any means. Ask people who attended Bradford Uni wearing poppies last week. They got told in no uncertain terms to get them ( poppies) off. So you see this feeling is quite widespread amongst certain communities. WHY? We will always remember our brave soldiers NO MATTER WHAT. NO ONE CAN CHANGE THE HISTORY OF THIS COUNTRY.

They seem to be isolated incidents, given the attention the local rag has given them and the amount of comments from people on here. I don't know anyone who attended Bradford Uni last week, so I can't ask them. I think its far more valuable to focus on doing something positive about a situation rather than blaming a group of people (the poor, foreigners etc).

smm3511 wrote:

bradmat wrote:
We would have been better off losing ww2

I agree, I would much prefer to have my grankids, niece's & nephew's speak German than Hindu or punjabi. It's a total disgrace what is going on at home these days especially in my beloved home town of Bradford. It's almost got to the point I don't want to come home for a visit anymore.

smm3511 wrote:

bradmat wrote:
We would have been better off losing ww2

I agree, I would much prefer to have my grankids, niece's & nephew's speak German than Hindu or punjabi. It's a total disgrace what is going on at home these days especially in my beloved home town of Bradford. It's almost got to the point I don't want to come home for a visit anymore.

smm3511 wrote:

yorkshiredude wrote:

Yorkshire Lass wrote:

yorkshiredude wrote:
I'm sure most people appreciate the sacrifices that service men and women, and their families made for us all without taking National Service. And I'm sure National Service wouldn't stop everyone being ****s either.

I saw loads of poppy sellers out in Bradford last week, didn't sense anything bad would happen. I saw part of the Rememberance Parade in Bradford too and there was nothing wrong in the atmosphere.

The incidents are awful, but there's no need for the negative obsession with race that seems to pervade every single article on here. Incidents like this should be dealt with properly, to show that the city will not take this. People burn poppies, or use armistice day as a reason to cause public disorder offences outside a pub - but society doesn't accept this. BE POSITIVE PEOPLE!

These are not isolated incidents by any means. Ask people who attended Bradford Uni wearing poppies last week. They got told in no uncertain terms to get them ( poppies) off. So you see this feeling is quite widespread amongst certain communities. WHY? We will always remember our brave soldiers NO MATTER WHAT. NO ONE CAN CHANGE THE HISTORY OF THIS COUNTRY.

They seem to be isolated incidents, given the attention the local rag has given them and the amount of comments from people on here. I don't know anyone who attended Bradford Uni last week, so I can't ask them. I think its far more valuable to focus on doing something positive about a situation rather than blaming a group of people (the poor, foreigners etc).

foreigners, your having a laugh arnt you, Im English born and bred moved to the USA 21 years ago as a foreigner and nobody ever gave me the time of day when I arrived over here. I've done everything on my own if your willing to work hard you will survive but out here mate if you arnt American you starve simple as that no free health care, dole, driving privillages over here so next time think on eh, they come they seek they recieve all the above and more.

ravacity wrote:

smm3511 wrote:

bradmat wrote:
We would have been better off losing ww2

I agree, I would much prefer to have my grankids, niece's & nephew's speak German than Hindu or punjabi. It's a total disgrace what is going on at home these days especially in my beloved home town of Bradford. It's almost got to the point I don't want to come home for a visit anymore.

maybe your german speaking offspring could have been in charge of modern day gas chambers or a new gestapo

Willard wrote:
How did we get from the Royal British Legion, Remembrance day and poppies to trying to resurect the idiology behing the Third Reich. Are there a lot of mad people who post on here? We were giving out the poppies because of the sacrifice of our forefathers againt tyrany and intolerence. Parents, teach your children some respect, give them good manners and act as a role model in society, do your bit, work hard and give a bit back and hope that your kids mimic you and not these wanabe gangster rappers and drug dealers. That's it, I said it, blame the parents....monkey see, monkey do.

Oldwestbowling wrote:

Willard wrote:
How did we get from the Royal British Legion, Remembrance day and poppies to trying to resurect the idiology behing the Third Reich. Are there a lot of mad people who post on here? We were giving out the poppies because of the sacrifice of our forefathers againt tyrany and intolerence. Parents, teach your children some respect, give them good manners and act as a role model in society, do your bit, work hard and give a bit back and hope that your kids mimic you and not these wanabe gangster rappers and drug dealers. That's it, I said it, blame the parents....monkey see, monkey do.

Well said.

Oldwestbowling wrote:
I think you need to re-read Willard's post. You are reiterating what he has said and yet you knock his post!

Ayesha. wrote:

theoutsider wrote:

ravacity wrote:

smm3511 wrote:

bradmat wrote: We would have been better off losing ww2

I agree, I would much prefer to have my grankids, niece's & nephew's speak German than Hindu or punjabi. It's a total disgrace what is going on at home these days especially in my beloved home town of Bradford. It's almost got to the point I don't want to come home for a visit anymore.

maybe your german speaking offspring could have been in charge of modern day gas chambers or a new gestapo

Great post 'odd shape' - but I have to ask why the T&A reporter thinks I need to know that 2 Asian poppy sellers were also abused ? - we dont need to know this all we need to know is that there was abuse perpitrated against poppy sellers by presumably Asian men. We dont need to know anything about the ethnicity of the poppy sellers white, black,christian, muslim who gives a toss - great on them because they were selling poppies and backing our forces against the supposed 'jihad'. The T&A have blantantely tried to 'balance' out the story with the 2 Asian girls - if these 2 girls were abused then it is their picture I want to see - because whoever was abused its totally unacceptable. But my guess is that this is the T&A trying to keep onside with the Asian community. If not I stand corrected and expect to see the 2 Asian girls on the front page tomorrow. As for the Germanisation of Bradford ?- the facts are that Hitler admired Bradford he loved the architecture and buildings in the Northern cities. When the Luftwafe bombed Bradford they did so with care - one fell on Lingards and one flew into the Wool exchange as I recall but very little else. Contrast that with the damage heaped on the City physically and culturally by successive City Hall leaders. Far better that the City followed German culture, language and example than the failed 'one landscape many colours' project that has wrecked a once proud Wool City.

i was actually one of the asian girls who was abused. you think the t&a would lie about this? me and my mate spent the whole day getting abuse for selling poppies and to be honest, we really don't care, we were doing a good thing and we don't care about what people think of us. we're not gonna be on the front page 'cause we don't want all the attention and abuse.

Albion. wrote:

Ayesha. wrote:

theoutsider wrote:

ravacity wrote:

smm3511 wrote:

bradmat wrote: We would have been better off losing ww2

I agree, I would much prefer to have my grankids, niece's & nephew's speak German than Hindu or punjabi. It's a total disgrace what is going on at home these days especially in my beloved home town of Bradford. It's almost got to the point I don't want to come home for a visit anymore.

maybe your german speaking offspring could have been in charge of modern day gas chambers or a new gestapo

Great post 'odd shape' - but I have to ask why the T&A reporter thinks I need to know that 2 Asian poppy sellers were also abused ? - we dont need to know this all we need to know is that there was abuse perpitrated against poppy sellers by presumably Asian men. We dont need to know anything about the ethnicity of the poppy sellers white, black,christian, muslim who gives a toss - great on them because they were selling poppies and backing our forces against the supposed 'jihad'. The T&A have blantantely tried to 'balance' out the story with the 2 Asian girls - if these 2 girls were abused then it is their picture I want to see - because whoever was abused its totally unacceptable. But my guess is that this is the T&A trying to keep onside with the Asian community. If not I stand corrected and expect to see the 2 Asian girls on the front page tomorrow. As for the Germanisation of Bradford ?- the facts are that Hitler admired Bradford he loved the architecture and buildings in the Northern cities. When the Luftwafe bombed Bradford they did so with care - one fell on Lingards and one flew into the Wool exchange as I recall but very little else. Contrast that with the damage heaped on the City physically and culturally by successive City Hall leaders. Far better that the City followed German culture, language and example than the failed 'one landscape many colours' project that has wrecked a once proud Wool City.

i was actually one of the asian girls who was abused. you think the t&a would lie about this? me and my mate spent the whole day getting abuse for selling poppies and to be honest, we really don't care, we were doing a good thing and we don't care about what people think of us. we're not gonna be on the front page 'cause we don't want all the attention and abuse.

Very well done!

smm3511 wrote:

Oldwestbowling wrote:

Willard wrote:
How did we get from the Royal British Legion, Remembrance day and poppies to trying to resurect the idiology behing the Third Reich. Are there a lot of mad people who post on here? We were giving out the poppies because of the sacrifice of our forefathers againt tyrany and intolerence. Parents, teach your children some respect, give them good manners and act as a role model in society, do your bit, work hard and give a bit back and hope that your kids mimic you and not these wanabe gangster rappers and drug dealers. That's it, I said it, blame the parents....monkey see, monkey do.

Well said.

well said my a---, bring back the cane in school, give back parents their rights to chestise their kids wheather in public or at home and bring back proper old fashioned policing. All these rights were taken away and this is what you are left with. I remember when u were afraid to misbehave in school because you had to pay for it and it was embarrasing for you to stand outside the headmasters office waiting to be punished, or my mother telling my father id been bad when he walked thru the door after a hard days work. It will never be as it was until you give back the people their rights

Oakenshaw white wrote:
I brought this subject up on Sunday night in the comments section of another story and was accused by certain people of lying and that this dispicable event never happened and was also being accused of been a member of right wing groups because of my log in name (Leeds United fan that's what it refers to), i don't
see any of the people that had a go on Sunday on here now to apologise to me or even admitting they were wrong their silence is deafening.

Up with the partridge wrote:

Keyser_Söze wrote:

Thee Voice of Reason wrote:

Keyser_Söze wrote: Look guys; it wasn't exactly clever to sell poppies in an area where the majority are against the war. . Come on; it ain't rocket science.

The poppy is taken from the battlefields of the first world war, and it remembers all our war dead. What some people feel about the more recent wars shouldn't even come into it.

The poppy is about freemasonry and the Iluminati. . Blood sacrifice.

Freemasonary and Iluminati?? What are you sniffing?

greedyb4nkers wrote:

Albion. wrote:

Ayesha. wrote:

theoutsider wrote:

ravacity wrote:

smm3511 wrote:

bradmat wrote: We would have been better off losing ww2

I agree, I would much prefer to have my grankids, niece's & nephew's speak German than Hindu or punjabi. It's a total disgrace what is going on at home these days especially in my beloved home town of Bradford. It's almost got to the point I don't want to come home for a visit anymore.

maybe your german speaking offspring could have been in charge of modern day gas chambers or a new gestapo

Great post 'odd shape' - but I have to ask why the T&A reporter thinks I need to know that 2 Asian poppy sellers were also abused ? - we dont need to know this all we need to know is that there was abuse perpitrated against poppy sellers by presumably Asian men. We dont need to know anything about the ethnicity of the poppy sellers white, black,christian, muslim who gives a toss - great on them because they were selling poppies and backing our forces against the supposed 'jihad'. The T&A have blantantely tried to 'balance' out the story with the 2 Asian girls - if these 2 girls were abused then it is their picture I want to see - because whoever was abused its totally unacceptable. But my guess is that this is the T&A trying to keep onside with the Asian community. If not I stand corrected and expect to see the 2 Asian girls on the front page tomorrow. As for the Germanisation of Bradford ?- the facts are that Hitler admired Bradford he loved the architecture and buildings in the Northern cities. When the Luftwafe bombed Bradford they did so with care - one fell on Lingards and one flew into the Wool exchange as I recall but very little else. Contrast that with the damage heaped on the City physically and culturally by successive City Hall leaders. Far better that the City followed German culture, language and example than the failed 'one landscape many colours' project that has wrecked a once proud Wool City.

i was actually one of the asian girls who was abused. you think the t&a would lie about this? me and my mate spent the whole day getting abuse for selling poppies and to be honest, we really don't care, we were doing a good thing and we don't care about what people think of us. we're not gonna be on the front page 'cause we don't want all the attention and abuse.

Very well done!

well actualy bradmat if you "don't want to come "home" your doing us all a favor !

bcfc1903 wrote:
This seems a lot of hot air regarding a couple of isolated incidents. The abusing of poppy sellers whatever their skin pigmentation cannot be excetable. I don't think these incidents represent the feelings of 99.9% of people living in the City of Bradford. Take Naveeda Ikram our superb Lord Mayor , what an absolute credit to the city she is. Her speech at the 4th Paras freedom of the City of Bradford parade a week last Sunday was quite brilliant, well done Naveeda, a superb role model for all Bradfordians. * Regarding Bradford's German history, Bradford of course had a large German community in the mid 19th and early 20th century, i've no idea if Hitler was a fan, hopefully not, but he wasn't a fan of Jewish people was he, the very people who were the major developers of the town and then city of Bradford, their textile export houses in Little Germany were the main players in bringing great wealth to Bradford, making it one of the richest City's in Europe around 1900 to 1910, who knows what would have happened if the first world war had not occured.

Apollo wrote:

bcfc1903 wrote:
This seems a lot of hot air regarding a couple of isolated incidents. The abusing of poppy sellers whatever their skin pigmentation cannot be excetable. I don't think these incidents represent the feelings of 99.9% of people living in the City of Bradford. Take Naveeda Ikram our superb Lord Mayor , what an absolute credit to the city she is. Her speech at the 4th Paras freedom of the City of Bradford parade a week last Sunday was quite brilliant, well done Naveeda, a superb role model for all Bradfordians. * Regarding Bradford's German history, Bradford of course had a large German community in the mid 19th and early 20th century, i've no idea if Hitler was a fan, hopefully not, but he wasn't a fan of Jewish people was he, the very people who were the major developers of the town and then city of Bradford, their textile export houses in Little Germany were the main players in bringing great wealth to Bradford, making it one of the richest City's in Europe around 1900 to 1910, who knows what would have happened if the first world war had not occured.

The Germans were at least on a par in terms of background, religion, history, economic development etc. with the English both at that time and since.

Obviously our politics diverged considerably in the 1930s and right through to 1945.

The problem with the current wave of immigrants and their disgusting offspring is that they share non of these aspects of shared culture, religion or economic background.

In truth they have never wanted to integrate into Western ways of life - preferring to maintain a rosy view of village life in a backwards part of Pakistan.

We now reap the benefits of allowing this in terms of increasingly becoming dragged down to the Third World.

Where were the parents of the 12 years old who were abusing poppy sellers and in doing so bringing great shame upon their families?

When they are caught (and even the useless Police of Bradford should be able to do that) I hope they are brought before thier parents so the shame can be felt.

Clowny wrote:

rugger-tyke wrote:

angry bradfordian wrote:
We should be able to see if the ocean of CCTV cameras in the city centre are of any use then?

Indeed, why did the Police not intervene ?? . .

Only 1/3rd of the cameras in Bradford are displayed at any one time (meaning 2/3rds are not even being watched) of that 1/3rd it’s down to the operator simply by chance to spot an incident on any one of about 50 monitors. None of the cameras are auto rotated to capture the entire scene and they’re left for hours or days on end at default angles and zooms. To cut costs often there is a single CCTV covering a 360% space whilst only monitoring less than 90% of that. The odds of being seen whilst being assaulted or worse are 1000’s to 1.

Clowny wrote:

rugger-tyke wrote:

angry bradfordian wrote:
We should be able to see if the ocean of CCTV cameras in the city centre are of any use then?

Indeed, why did the Police not intervene ?? . .

Only 1/3rd of the cameras in Bradford are displayed at any one time (meaning 2/3rds are not even being watched) of that 1/3rd it’s down to the operator simply by chance to spot an incident on any one of about 50 monitors. None of the cameras are auto rotated to capture the entire scene and they’re left for hours or days on end at default angles and zooms. To cut costs often there is a single CCTV covering a 360% space whilst only monitoring less than 90% of that. The odds of being seen whilst being assaulted or worse are 1000’s to 1.

Patrick Bateman wrote:
According to the longer report in the printed T and A:

'One of them took a poppy from her box , spat on it and tried to give it her daughter before spitting at her three times, twice on her jacket and once on her cheek'.

'The suspects were aged about 12, Asian and wearing tracksuits and hoodies. Police are appealing for witnesses to the attack which happened at 3.45pm'

A spokesman for WY Police said, 'A 13 year old girl selling poppies was approached by three youmg males who became verbally abusive before spitting on her. Officers contacted the victim's mother andd CCTV enquiries are ongoing to trace those responsible.'

--------------------
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The suspects were 'aged about 12'.

Twelve?? Truly chilling behaviour from ones so young. But who are feeding (programming?) them with such hate? And what should our response be?

Wanpablo wrote:
This is absolutly disgusting, These people should be thrown out of our country, I am not a racist but the way things are going the people who are NOT racist will eventually turn because they are being pushed into it by arrogant abusive Muslims (not indians they have respect) who have no consideration for the people who gave them the life style they have today! It has nothing to do with Race it is all about respect ? I personally feel like a second class citizen in my own town. every day it is getting worse and only reason we will not stop immigration is because the people in power of this country will stop getting the votes to stay in power but that is irrelevant black,white, muslim indian chinese polish I dont care show me respect and I will return the favour but I warn that most people that think like me will change how they think and there will be a revolution mark my words I just hope I am not here when that day comes! Respect to the two young asian girls who had the courage to understand and appreciate what our ancesters have done for our once fine country

Wanpablo wrote:
This is absolutly disgusting, These people should be thrown out of our country, I am not a racist but the way things are going the people who are NOT racist will eventually turn because they are being pushed into it by arrogant abusive Muslims (not indians they have respect) who have no consideration for the people who gave them the life style they have today! It has nothing to do with Race it is all about respect ? I personally feel like a second class citizen in my own town. every day it is getting worse and only reason we will not stop immigration is because the people in power of this country will stop getting the votes to stay in power but that is irrelevant black,white, muslim indian chinese polish I dont care show me respect and I will return the favour but I warn that most people that think like me will change how they think and there will be a revolution mark my words I just hope I am not here when that day comes! Respect to the two young asian girls who had the courage to understand and appreciate what our ancesters have done for our once fine country

Lizzydripping wrote:

Clowny wrote:

rugger-tyke wrote:

angry bradfordian wrote:
We should be able to see if the ocean of CCTV cameras in the city centre are of any use then?

Indeed, why did the Police not intervene ?? . .

Only 1/3rd of the cameras in Bradford are displayed at any one time (meaning 2/3rds are not even being watched) of that 1/3rd it’s down to the operator simply by chance to spot an incident on any one of about 50 monitors. None of the cameras are auto rotated to capture the entire scene and they’re left for hours or days on end at default angles and zooms. To cut costs often there is a single CCTV covering a 360% space whilst only monitoring less than 90% of that. The odds of being seen whilst being assaulted or worse are 1000’s to 1.

Thank you for this information. I have been naively attending the Bradford theatres for years believing that my journeys from the car parks (including the underpass from Jacob's Well to the library) have been covered by an excellent CCTV network. I should have known better in this once proud city that is now a dump. Beam me up Scotty!

bcfc1903 wrote:

Apollo wrote:

bcfc1903 wrote:
This seems a lot of hot air regarding a couple of isolated incidents. The abusing of poppy sellers whatever their skin pigmentation cannot be excetable. I don't think these incidents represent the feelings of 99.9% of people living in the City of Bradford. Take Naveeda Ikram our superb Lord Mayor , what an absolute credit to the city she is. Her speech at the 4th Paras freedom of the City of Bradford parade a week last Sunday was quite brilliant, well done Naveeda, a superb role model for all Bradfordians. * Regarding Bradford's German history, Bradford of course had a large German community in the mid 19th and early 20th century, i've no idea if Hitler was a fan, hopefully not, but he wasn't a fan of Jewish people was he, the very people who were the major developers of the town and then city of Bradford, their textile export houses in Little Germany were the main players in bringing great wealth to Bradford, making it one of the richest City's in Europe around 1900 to 1910, who knows what would have happened if the first world war had not occured.

The Germans were at least on a par in terms of background, religion, history, economic development etc. with the English both at that time and since.

Obviously our politics diverged considerably in the 1930s and right through to 1945.

The problem with the current wave of immigrants and their disgusting offspring is that they share non of these aspects of shared culture, religion or economic background.

In truth they have never wanted to integrate into Western ways of life - preferring to maintain a rosy view of village life in a backwards part of Pakistan.

We now reap the benefits of allowing this in terms of increasingly becoming dragged down to the Third World.

Where were the parents of the 12 years old who were abusing poppy sellers and in doing so bringing great shame upon their families?

When they are caught (and even the useless Police of Bradford should be able to do that) I hope they are brought before thier parents so the shame can be felt.

The German Jews had been descriminated against in Germany, and found far more freedom to trade in Bradford than in their country of birth.

*
For starters, they're not disgusting offspring, what sort of description is that, deary me. Yes, there are some people who seem to need a helping hand in regards to the basics of showing respect. You can't make a sweeping statements regarding where those originate from, there are many many folk of Pakistani decent who are doing great work in bringing wealth to the City of Bradford, there will be others that are not, but you can say that about all Bradford folk where ever they originated from. Yes , there are problems with that culture integrating into the western way of life , but given time, i believe it will happen, and is happening now. To paint a broad picture on the back of a couple of despicable incidents is not being fair to the vast majority of folk that are decent law abiding citizens of Bradford.

Keyser_Söze wrote:

Thee Voice of Reason wrote:

Keyser_Söze wrote:
Look guys; it wasn't exactly clever to sell poppies in an area where the majority are against the war. . Come on; it ain't rocket science.

The poppy is taken from the battlefields of the first world war, and it remembers all our war dead. What some people feel about the more recent wars shouldn't even come into it.

The poppy is about freemasonry and the Iluminati.
.
Blood sacrifice.

Patrick Bateman wrote:
I see this story has now 'gone national'.

Another PR coup for Bradford. Not.

rugger-tyke wrote:

Wanpablo wrote:
This is absolutly disgusting, These people should be thrown out of our country, I am not a racist but the way things are going the people who are NOT racist will eventually turn because they are being pushed into it by arrogant abusive Muslims (not indians they have respect) who have no consideration for the people who gave them the life style they have today! It has nothing to do with Race it is all about respect ? I personally feel like a second class citizen in my own town. every day it is getting worse and only reason we will not stop immigration is because the people in power of this country will stop getting the votes to stay in power but that is irrelevant black,white, muslim indian chinese polish I dont care show me respect and I will return the favour but I warn that most people that think like me will change how they think and there will be a revolution mark my words I just hope I am not here when that day comes! Respect to the two young asian girls who had the courage to understand and appreciate what our ancesters have done for our once fine country

Muslims (not indians they have respect)

Didn't realise Muslim was an ethnicity/nationalit

y, thanks for the enlightenment.

Wanpablo wrote:

rugger-tyke wrote:

Wanpablo wrote:
This is absolutly disgusting, These people should be thrown out of our country, I am not a racist but the way things are going the people who are NOT racist will eventually turn because they are being pushed into it by arrogant abusive Muslims (not indians they have respect) who have no consideration for the people who gave them the life style they have today! It has nothing to do with Race it is all about respect ? I personally feel like a second class citizen in my own town. every day it is getting worse and only reason we will not stop immigration is because the people in power of this country will stop getting the votes to stay in power but that is irrelevant black,white, muslim indian chinese polish I dont care show me respect and I will return the favour but I warn that most people that think like me will change how they think and there will be a revolution mark my words I just hope I am not here when that day comes! Respect to the two young asian girls who had the courage to understand and appreciate what our ancesters have done for our once fine country

Muslims (not indians they have respect)

Didn't realise Muslim was an ethnicity/nationalit


y, thanks for the enlightenment.

no it not ethnicity or nationality. but is it not a muslim that has spat at people/poppies?? because they want sharia law in our country and that is why they are abusing our once great nation and have no respect

mrs walker wrote:

Patrick Bateman wrote: I see this story has now 'gone national'. Another PR coup for Bradford. Not.

Well yes, if you count being 'reported' in the Sun and the Star as 'going national'. Hardly a PR disaster if two newspapers famed for printing pictures of women wiv ther jugz aht deliver a sensationalised polemic against three twelve-year old politically naive nitwits.

mrs walker wrote:

Patrick Bateman wrote:
I see this story has now 'gone national'.

Another PR coup for Bradford. Not.

Well yes, if you count being 'reported' in the Sun and the Star as 'going national'. Hardly a PR disaster if two newspapers famed for printing pictures of women wiv ther jugz aht deliver a sensationalised polemic against three twelve-year old politically naive nitwits.

Patrick Bateman wrote:

mrs walker wrote:

Patrick Bateman wrote:
I see this story has now 'gone national'.

Another PR coup for Bradford. Not.

Well yes, if you count being 'reported' in the Sun and the Star as 'going national'. Hardly a PR disaster if two newspapers famed for printing pictures of women wiv ther jugz aht deliver a sensationalised polemic against three twelve-year old politically naive nitwits.

Unfortunately the papers you mention are influential and help shape public opinion. You may not like the fact but it is undeniable (well at least I THOUGHT it was undeniable: I obviously didn't factor in the Mrs W rose-tinted, truth-distorting take on things).

Wanpablo wrote:

Wanpablo wrote:

rugger-tyke wrote:

Wanpablo wrote:
This is absolutly disgusting, These people should be thrown out of our country, I am not a racist but the way things are going the people who are NOT racist will eventually turn because they are being pushed into it by arrogant abusive Muslims (not indians they have respect) who have no consideration for the people who gave them the life style they have today! It has nothing to do with Race it is all about respect ? I personally feel like a second class citizen in my own town. every day it is getting worse and only reason we will not stop immigration is because the people in power of this country will stop getting the votes to stay in power but that is irrelevant black,white, muslim indian chinese polish I dont care show me respect and I will return the favour but I warn that most people that think like me will change how they think and there will be a revolution mark my words I just hope I am not here when that day comes! Respect to the two young asian girls who had the courage to understand and appreciate what our ancesters have done for our once fine country

Muslims (not indians they have respect)

Didn't realise Muslim was an ethnicity/nationalit



y, thanks for the enlightenment.

no it not ethnicity or nationality. but is it not a muslim that has spat at people/poppies?? because they want sharia law in our country and that is why they are abusing our once great nation and have no respect

also I am guessing you assume I am racist because I dare to say the truth. Well I dont care what you think. I will wear my poppy with pride and feel sorry for anybody who tries to spit and abuse me for showing respect to heros who gave me a half decent start in life.

Wanpablo wrote:

rugger-tyke wrote:

Wanpablo wrote:
This is absolutly disgusting, These people should be thrown out of our country, I am not a racist but the way things are going the people who are NOT racist will eventually turn because they are being pushed into it by arrogant abusive Muslims (not indians they have respect) who have no consideration for the people who gave them the life style they have today! It has nothing to do with Race it is all about respect ? I personally feel like a second class citizen in my own town. every day it is getting worse and only reason we will not stop immigration is because the people in power of this country will stop getting the votes to stay in power but that is irrelevant black,white, muslim indian chinese polish I dont care show me respect and I will return the favour but I warn that most people that think like me will change how they think and there will be a revolution mark my words I just hope I am not here when that day comes! Respect to the two young asian girls who had the courage to understand and appreciate what our ancesters have done for our once fine country

Muslims (not indians they have respect)

Didn't realise Muslim was an ethnicity/nationalit


y, thanks for the enlightenment.

no it not ethnicity or nationality. but is it not a muslim that has spat at people/poppies?? because they want sharia law in our country and that is why they are abusing our once great nation and have no respect

Prisoner Cell Block A wrote:

bcfc1903 wrote:

Apollo wrote:

bcfc1903 wrote:
This seems a lot of hot air regarding a couple of isolated incidents. The abusing of poppy sellers whatever their skin pigmentation cannot be excetable. I don't think these incidents represent the feelings of 99.9% of people living in the City of Bradford. Take Naveeda Ikram our superb Lord Mayor , what an absolute credit to the city she is. Her speech at the 4th Paras freedom of the City of Bradford parade a week last Sunday was quite brilliant, well done Naveeda, a superb role model for all Bradfordians. * Regarding Bradford's German history, Bradford of course had a large German community in the mid 19th and early 20th century, i've no idea if Hitler was a fan, hopefully not, but he wasn't a fan of Jewish people was he, the very people who were the major developers of the town and then city of Bradford, their textile export houses in Little Germany were the main players in bringing great wealth to Bradford, making it one of the richest City's in Europe around 1900 to 1910, who knows what would have happened if the first world war had not occured.

The Germans were at least on a par in terms of background, religion, history, economic development etc. with the English both at that time and since.

Obviously our politics diverged considerably in the 1930s and right through to 1945.

The problem with the current wave of immigrants and their disgusting offspring is that they share non of these aspects of shared culture, religion or economic background.

In truth they have never wanted to integrate into Western ways of life - preferring to maintain a rosy view of village life in a backwards part of Pakistan.

We now reap the benefits of allowing this in terms of increasingly becoming dragged down to the Third World.

Where were the parents of the 12 years old who were abusing poppy sellers and in doing so bringing great shame upon their families?

When they are caught (and even the useless Police of Bradford should be able to do that) I hope they are brought before thier parents so the shame can be felt.

The German Jews had been descriminated against in Germany, and found far more freedom to trade in Bradford than in their country of birth.

*
For starters, they're not disgusting offspring, what sort of description is that, deary me. Yes, there are some people who seem to need a helping hand in regards to the basics of showing respect. You can't make a sweeping statements regarding where those originate from, there are many many folk of Pakistani decent who are doing great work in bringing wealth to the City of Bradford, there will be others that are not, but you can say that about all Bradford folk where ever they originated from. Yes , there are problems with that culture integrating into the western way of life , but given time, i believe it will happen, and is happening now. To paint a broad picture on the back of a couple of despicable incidents is not being fair to the vast majority of folk that are decent law abiding citizens of Bradford.

Started 50 years ago with the SE Asian migration, was semi-successful into the early 80s and has begun to decline since.

I grew up in BD3 as I have mentioned many times, had an uncle Mirza until he passed away( uncle in nomencalture only) both his sons were my best friends and we still cross paths today and they are disgusted with that the base their father and the like laid down has been ripped up by this generation of lawless, disrespectful, drug-dealing, benefit robbing no marks. These are the main culprits for the thought process towards SE Asians living in and around Bradford, these and those who refuse to acknowledge that the behaviour of the 3rd/4th generation of initial immigrants is bringing shame and trouble directly into the camp of peaceful folk who just want an easy life be it within their own community groups or the city-wide community.

Peaceful and successful integration and the chance of it happening has passed and the 'I'm not a racist but....' will become more and more prevalent. As will racially motivated abuse by all involved. Sad but true.

mrs walker wrote:

Patrick Bateman wrote:

mrs walker wrote:

Patrick Bateman wrote:
I see this story has now 'gone national'.

Another PR coup for Bradford. Not.

Well yes, if you count being 'reported' in the Sun and the Star as 'going national'. Hardly a PR disaster if two newspapers famed for printing pictures of women wiv ther jugz aht deliver a sensationalised polemic against three twelve-year old politically naive nitwits.

Unfortunately the papers you mention are influential and help shape public opinion. You may not like the fact but it is undeniable (well at least I THOUGHT it was undeniable: I obviously didn't factor in the Mrs W rose-tinted, truth-distorting take on things).

Of course they are influential. Why else do you think the Tories have regained popularity and why else do you think there isn't a bigger outcry against Murdoch and NI? News about the Sun's own shady affairs tends to be buried under celebrity tosh and sentimentalised and sensationalist drivel. My point is that's it's hardly a PR disaster because it's preaching to the people that already think a certain way. No damage there then. What does surprise me is that I had you pegged as a Daily Mail reader.

Patrick Bateman wrote:

mrs walker wrote:

Patrick Bateman wrote:

mrs walker wrote:

Patrick Bateman wrote:
I see this story has now 'gone national'.

Another PR coup for Bradford. Not.

Well yes, if you count being 'reported' in the Sun and the Star as 'going national'. Hardly a PR disaster if two newspapers famed for printing pictures of women wiv ther jugz aht deliver a sensationalised polemic against three twelve-year old politically naive nitwits.

Unfortunately the papers you mention are influential and help shape public opinion. You may not like the fact but it is undeniable (well at least I THOUGHT it was undeniable: I obviously didn't factor in the Mrs W rose-tinted, truth-distorting take on things).

Of course they are influential. Why else do you think the Tories have regained popularity and why else do you think there isn't a bigger outcry against Murdoch and NI? News about the Sun's own shady affairs tends to be buried under celebrity tosh and sentimentalised and sensationalist drivel. My point is that's it's hardly a PR disaster because it's preaching to the people that already think a certain way. No damage there then. What does surprise me is that I had you pegged as a Daily Mail reader.

'No damage there then'? Reinforcing people's prejudice is 'no damage'? Ok,
whatever you say..

Talking of 'blind prejudice' you had me 'pegged' as a Daily Mail Reader. As it happens I do read the DM (online) as I do The Telegraph, Independent & Guardian (also The Sun and other tabloids on occasion as we've established). I only buy The Sunday Times and occasionally the T and A.

It's rather hypocritical to impugn someone as a 'Daily Mail reader' (which was your intention) when you not only read it yourself but also leave comments on the stories, eh Mrs W? Come on, tell the truth now..
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greedyb4nkers wrote:

Albion. wrote:

Ayesha. wrote:

theoutsider wrote:

ravacity wrote:

smm3511 wrote:

bradmat wrote: We would have been better off losing ww2

I agree, I would much prefer to have my grankids, niece's & nephew's speak German than Hindu or punjabi. It's a total disgrace what is going on at home these days especially in my beloved home town of Bradford. It's almost got to the point I don't want to come home for a visit anymore.

maybe your german speaking offspring could have been in charge of modern day gas chambers or a new gestapo

Great post 'odd shape' - but I have to ask why the T&A reporter thinks I need to know that 2 Asian poppy sellers were also abused ? - we dont need to know this all we need to know is that there was abuse perpitrated against poppy sellers by presumably Asian men. We dont need to know anything about the ethnicity of the poppy sellers white, black,christian, muslim who gives a toss - great on them because they were selling poppies and backing our forces against the supposed 'jihad'. The T&A have blantantely tried to 'balance' out the story with the 2 Asian girls - if these 2 girls were abused then it is their picture I want to see - because whoever was abused its totally unacceptable. But my guess is that this is the T&A trying to keep onside with the Asian community. If not I stand corrected and expect to see the 2 Asian girls on the front page tomorrow. As for the Germanisation of Bradford ?- the facts are that Hitler admired Bradford he loved the architecture and buildings in the Northern cities. When the Luftwafe bombed Bradford they did so with care - one fell on Lingards and one flew into the Wool exchange as I recall but very little else. Contrast that with the damage heaped on the City physically and culturally by successive City Hall leaders. Far better that the City followed German culture, language and example than the failed 'one landscape many colours' project that has wrecked a once proud Wool City.

i was actually one of the asian girls who was abused. you think the t&a would lie about this? me and my mate spent the whole day getting abuse for selling poppies and to be honest, we really don't care, we were doing a good thing and we don't care about what people think of us. we're not gonna be on the front page 'cause we don't want all the attention and abuse.

Very well done!

well actualy bradmat if you "don't want to come "home" your doing us all a favor !

TirNaNog wrote:

smm3511 wrote:

Oldwestbowling wrote:

Willard wrote:
How did we get from the Royal British Legion, Remembrance day and poppies to trying to resurect the idiology behing the Third Reich. Are there a lot of mad people who post on here? We were giving out the poppies because of the sacrifice of our forefathers againt tyrany and intolerence. Parents, teach your children some respect, give them good manners and act as a role model in society, do your bit, work hard and give a bit back and hope that your kids mimic you and not these wanabe gangster rappers and drug dealers. That's it, I said it, blame the parents....monkey see, monkey do.

Well said.

well said my a---, bring back the cane in school, give back parents their rights to chestise their kids wheather in public or at home and bring back proper old fashioned policing. All these rights were taken away and this is what you are left with. I remember when u were afraid to misbehave in school because you had to pay for it and it was embarrasing for you to stand outside the headmasters office waiting to be punished, or my mother telling my father id been bad when he walked thru the door after a hard days work. It will never be as it was until you give back the people their rights

So you want the right to beat your children? You want teachers and Police to have the right to beat your children?
It appears to have worked wonders with you! Who was your English teacher - Richard Dunn? FFS!

spark9990 wrote:

Wanpablo wrote:

Wanpablo wrote:

rugger-tyke wrote:

Wanpablo wrote:
This is absolutly disgusting, These people should be thrown out of our country, I am not a racist but the way things are going the people who are NOT racist will eventually turn because they are being pushed into it by arrogant abusive Muslims (not indians they have respect) who have no consideration for the people who gave them the life style they have today! It has nothing to do with Race it is all about respect ? I personally feel like a second class citizen in my own town. every day it is getting worse and only reason we will not stop immigration is because the people in power of this country will stop getting the votes to stay in power but that is irrelevant black,white, muslim indian chinese polish I dont care show me respect and I will return the favour but I warn that most people that think like me will change how they think and there will be a revolution mark my words I just hope I am not here when that day comes! Respect to the two young asian girls who had the courage to understand and appreciate what our ancesters have done for our once fine country

Muslims (not indians they have respect)

Didn't realise Muslim was an ethnicity/nationalit




y, thanks for the enlightenment.

no it not ethnicity or nationality. but is it not a muslim that has spat at people/poppies?? because they want sharia law in our country and that is why they are abusing our once great nation and have no respect

also I am guessing you assume I am racist because I dare to say the truth. Well I dont care what you think. I will wear my poppy with pride and feel sorry for anybody who tries to spit and abuse me for showing respect to heros who gave me a half decent start in life.

Maybe not a racist but a bigot.
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I'm an Indian and a muslim - have I blown your mind?
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It was most likely pakistani youths who did the spitting - but don't bring religion into this situation unless you know islam teaches people to spit (which it doesn't - its a disgusting habit).
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Also race doesn't really matter, its social up bringing and poverty as mentioned a few times in this massive thread.
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I didn't wear a red poppy, I wore a white one - I respect what our gallant heroes did in both world wars. Remembrance and poppy wearing has still allowed wars with people dying in their thousands along with the occupying British soldiers. I will grieve for both but not with a poppy.

Andy Mac wrote:
Appalled as I am about the main story (which I sadly no longer find 'unbelievable') can I once again point out that these posts contain lots of references to 'Asian scum'. This implies everyone from Asia, yet in my opinion the Indian community have done everything they can to become educated, to integrate and to become English and Bradfordian in their outlook to life, and to tar them with the same brush as the real 'scum' (we all know who they are) is unfair and must be a source of frustration to their efforts and their pride in who they are.
A Hindu leader in this City once pointed out that Muslims and those of Indian faiths arrived here en masse in the 50's on a level playing field, quote:

"They had a level playing field. Because of our hard work,
perseverance and keeping our youth under control, Indian
children are leading in the field of education today. The
responsibility for taking control of Pakistani youths lies
with their parents and community leaders."

Respect to ALL poppy sellers. Never forget.

Wanpablo wrote:

spark9990 wrote:

Wanpablo wrote:

Wanpablo wrote:

rugger-tyke wrote:

Wanpablo wrote:
This is absolutly disgusting, These people should be thrown out of our country, I am not a racist but the way things are going the people who are NOT racist will eventually turn because they are being pushed into it by arrogant abusive Muslims (not indians they have respect) who have no consideration for the people who gave them the life style they have today! It has nothing to do with Race it is all about respect ? I personally feel like a second class citizen in my own town. every day it is getting worse and only reason we will not stop immigration is because the people in power of this country will stop getting the votes to stay in power but that is irrelevant black,white, muslim indian chinese polish I dont care show me respect and I will return the favour but I warn that most people that think like me will change how they think and there will be a revolution mark my words I just hope I am not here when that day comes! Respect to the two young asian girls who had the courage to understand and appreciate what our ancesters have done for our once fine country

Muslims (not indians they have respect)

Didn't realise Muslim was an ethnicity/nationalit





y, thanks for the enlightenment.

no it not ethnicity or nationality. but is it not a muslim that has spat at people/poppies?? because they want sharia law in our country and that is why they are abusing our once great nation and have no respect

also I am guessing you assume I am racist because I dare to say the truth. Well I dont care what you think. I will wear my poppy with pride and feel sorry for anybody who tries to spit and abuse me for showing respect to heros who gave me a half decent start in life.

Maybe not a racist but a bigot.
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I'm an Indian and a muslim - have I blown your mind?
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It was most likely pakistani youths who did the spitting - but don't bring religion into this situation unless you know islam teaches people to spit (which it doesn't - its a disgusting habit).
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Also race doesn't really matter, its social up bringing and poverty as mentioned a few times in this massive thread.
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I didn't wear a red poppy, I wore a white one - I respect what our gallant heroes did in both world wars. Remembrance and poppy wearing has still allowed wars with people dying in their thousands along with the occupying British soldiers. I will grieve for both but not with a poppy.

so if it is true in what you say why is it not about faith?? why did the asian youths spit at people/poppies ?? why where people being threatend?? because they dont like the colour or maybe they just dont like poppies i think its more like muslims/pakistanis (just for your sake) dispise english people because we are not muslim?? I would also like you explain why i am a biggot?? because i speak what most people are thinking but are to afraid to say it! also while were on the subject why is p*ki racist but white b*stard is not??

Andy Mac wrote:
Appalled as I am about the main story (which I sadly no longer find 'unbelievable') can I once again point out that these posts contain lots of references to 'Asian scum'. This implies everyone from Asia, yet in my opinion the Indian community have done everything they can to become educated, to integrate and to become English and Bradfordian in their outlook to life, and to tar them with the same brush as the real 'scum' (we all know who they are) is unfair and must be a source of frustration to their efforts and their pride in who they are.
A Hindu leader in this City once pointed out that Muslims and those of Indian faiths arrived here en masse in the 50's on a level playing field, quote:

"They had a level playing field. Because of our hard work,
perseverance and keeping our youth under control, Indian
children are leading in the field of education today. The
responsibility for taking control of Pakistani youths lies
with their parents and community leaders."

Respect to ALL poppy sellers. Never forget.

Andy Mac wrote:
spark9990
I respect your opinion and you sound like a level-headed educated person. However, I disagree on you with a couple of points.
1)Bradford has a race and religion issue above any class issue. Fact.
2) ON THE WHOLE, non-muslim Indians have settled and integrated far better than muslim Pakistani / Bangladeshis. Fact.
In addition, this country wrongly or rightly does get involved in overseas issues, this I cannot deny. However it is the politics that are in question, not the actions of the troops (and any race / religion) who are sent there to follow orders. To call it "invading other lands" is naive and I think on that point there may be evidence that you have been listening to the wrong people when forming your opinions.
There is a reason for wearing a red poppy in November in this country .... that is not to remember political actions but to remember the sacrifice made by normal people of all races and religions in all wars across the whole world for the last 100 years or more.
Am I correct in thinking that India lost more citizens in WW1 than any other country ? India in those days included Pakistan but ALL losses are remembered.

spark9990 wrote:

Wanpablo wrote:

spark9990 wrote:

Wanpablo wrote:

Wanpablo wrote:

rugger-tyke wrote:

Wanpablo wrote:
This is absolutly disgusting, These people should be thrown out of our country, I am not a racist but the way things are going the people who are NOT racist will eventually turn because they are being pushed into it by arrogant abusive Muslims (not indians they have respect) who have no consideration for the people who gave them the life style they have today! It has nothing to do with Race it is all about respect ? I personally feel like a second class citizen in my own town. every day it is getting worse and only reason we will not stop immigration is because the people in power of this country will stop getting the votes to stay in power but that is irrelevant black,white, muslim indian chinese polish I dont care show me respect and I will return the favour but I warn that most people that think like me will change how they think and there will be a revolution mark my words I just hope I am not here when that day comes! Respect to the two young asian girls who had the courage to understand and appreciate what our ancesters have done for our once fine country

Muslims (not indians they have respect)

Didn't realise Muslim was an ethnicity/nationalit






y, thanks for the enlightenment.

no it not ethnicity or nationality. but is it not a muslim that has spat at people/poppies?? because they want sharia law in our country and that is why they are abusing our once great nation and have no respect

also I am guessing you assume I am racist because I dare to say the truth. Well I dont care what you think. I will wear my poppy with pride and feel sorry for anybody who tries to spit and abuse me for showing respect to heros who gave me a half decent start in life.

Maybe not a racist but a bigot.
.
I'm an Indian and a muslim - have I blown your mind?
.
It was most likely pakistani youths who did the spitting - but don't bring religion into this situation unless you know islam teaches people to spit (which it doesn't - its a disgusting habit).
.
Also race doesn't really matter, its social up bringing and poverty as mentioned a few times in this massive thread.
.
I didn't wear a red poppy, I wore a white one - I respect what our gallant heroes did in both world wars. Remembrance and poppy wearing has still allowed wars with people dying in their thousands along with the occupying British soldiers. I will grieve for both but not with a poppy.

so if it is true in what you say why is it not about faith?? why did the asian youths spit at people/poppies ?? why where people being threatend?? because they dont like the colour or maybe they just dont like poppies i think its more like muslims/pakistanis (just for your sake) dispise english people because we are not muslim?? I would also like you explain why i am a biggot?? because i speak what most people are thinking but are to afraid to say it! also while were on the subject why is p*ki racist but white b*stard is not??

Why not talk about faith? because faith doesn't condone spitting.
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Why did the Asian youth spit? most likely because they are d*ckheads with a poor upbringing.
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a handful of poppy sellers were threatened by a handful of young pakistani people not because they despise non Muslims, far from it, they don't even know what it means to be a muslim. They were most likely causing trouble with the young Asian and non asian poppy sellers because, they were bored idiots.
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I am a muslim (who is indian), muslims don't despise english people who are not muslim. We (muslims), do despise the foreign policy of this country to invade and occupy other nations and murdering thousands of its people.
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You are a bigot not because you say what people are thinking but because you talk ignorant sh*te about subjects you know nothing about i.e islam. you also can't differentiate between a pakistani person and religion.
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On your last point both are racist in my opinion.

Prisoner Cell Block A wrote:
Bcfc03, whilst actually agreeing with your chastisement of my description as it was too wide a generalisation but I do not retract the sentiment therein as I believe it to be true as I know it to be true. A realist not an ideologist. I see it every day, I now live in bd2 and drive to work in bd3, I speak as I see only.

I also am fully aware of the great service and sacrifice given by many men and families from SE Asia and was totally disgusted with the denials received by the Gurkha regiments. Many a tale of brotherly comradeship and bravery were shared by my grandfather and his time in camps during his para years.

If you fully read my post and understood that sentiment I was trying to explain the viewpoint from old family friends who were and still are pakistani males and Muslims too. Their hope and wish for at least more tolerance and understanding on all sides is dashed by the actions of that certain section of society I was describing. Even in a more harmful way than the actual EDL, chav-scum as one of our erstwhile roving reporters likes to label most contributors to these columns. If they disagree with him obviously.

bingleybantam-ms54 wrote:
Well here we go again with the good old T&A's pathalogical inability to name and shame the ethnicity of the "scum" who did these foul acts, whilst immediately pleading the plight of the "poor asian cadets who were abused because of the colour of their skin" ......yet leaving the unspoken notion that "as they were asian"..... it could only be the work of BNP or EDL white caucasian riff raff who would do this??? .............100% W.R.O.N.G!! THE only PEOPLE RESPONSIBLE for these appalling crimes are (Surprise Surprise) Young Ferrel Pakistani Asians who as a sub group type increasdingly seem to be devoid of ANY moral compass - Full Stop! ...........At least thats what was reported in various UK media yesterday.......... So the question remains dear readers "IF" they (the UK media) can report THE TRUTH of the matter fully???? Then WHY oh WHY can't The T&A??? Why is it that at almost EVERY opportunity the T&A slavishly praise almost "anything Asian" no matter how trivial, yet seemingly turn a complete "Blind Eye" to the multiple ills & woes that this "community" (sic!) have inflicted upon a once proud Northern working class city over the last 40 years. Am I suirprised by the actions of this filth?? Absolutely NOT - for 10 years ago both my 2 daughters and other none Asian girl friends were Racially abused - called White Whores - were propositioned and SPAT AT for simply standing in their Bradford Girls Grammar School uniform after school waiting for a lift home from their Mum! Lovely isn't? We reported this and got ABSOLUTELY NOWHERE..... Can you imagine the alternative response if this had been white lads doing this to Burka covered Asian school girls outside their school or mosque ? Police wise, All hell would have broken loose and I am 100% sure that the T&A would've run "Banner Headlines" on the incident probably for days! So whats different ?? Oh I FORGOT - My daughters were White English Girls - Silly ME! .....GOD ALONE KNOWS how many acts of racial hate crime at ALL ends of the spectrum occur against the historicly indigenous population around these parts........ But I would wager that the percentage that are properly criminally investigated and / or "properly reported" by the T&A is absolutely miniscule as compared to the time, effeort and resources that are allocated in dealing with similar matters wherein the "minority community" are the wronged party. Very simply the average decent moderate Briton has Totally HAD ENOUGH of these people and how they treat the rest of society who are not of their group type and in so doing they are laying down the foundations for moderate British people to consider espousing radical political persuasions - purely because they feel Ignored - Marginalised & Discriminated against within their own kingdom - especially at a time of unprecedented economic hardship. So come on T&A ....."The people" are getting angry. It is YOUR DUTY to reprt matters truthfully, candidly and transparently and if that puts certain group types noses out of joint ... then tough luck - If the cap fits... etc etc. Final word - If or when this filth are caught WHY NOT SET AN EXAMPLE? They clearly despise our causes, service men&women and their values?
Well if thats the case then ......just convict them all and DEPORT the guilty culprits back to Lah Lah Land or wherever the hell they come from along with EVERY member of their families. Job sorted I believe? Or at least it might make other similar hateful malcontents think twice about simiar actions in the future! Utterly Disgusting!

SouthEastAsianBradfo
rdian wrote:
yawn

Clowny wrote:
@bcfc1903, the report is plural, there were incident*s*, indeed some of the lasses have already posted saying they had abuse all day.
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"me and my mate spent the whole day getting abuse for selling poppies"
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Incidents included: l A 13-year-old female Army Cadet suffering a young thug spitting in her face; l Two Asian girl cadets getting verbal abuse for selling poppies due to the colour of their skins; l Two *other* sellers being set upon in the city centre; l A gang threatening *other* selllers for their collecting tins.

bcfc1903 wrote:

Clowny wrote:
@bcfc1903, the report is plural, there were incident*s*, indeed some of the lasses have already posted saying they had abuse all day.
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"me and my mate spent the whole day getting abuse for selling poppies"
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Incidents included: l A 13-year-old female Army Cadet suffering a young thug spitting in her face; l Two Asian girl cadets getting verbal abuse for selling poppies due to the colour of their skins; l Two *other* sellers being set upon in the city centre; l A gang threatening *other* selllers for their collecting tins.

I've said there was a couple of despicable incidents, let's add another, it's hardly a condemnation of all Pakistani youth is it. These morons are no more representative of that group than are 'The Ointment' tearing it up before or after a BCFC game are of Bradford City football supporters. This thread has racist undertones, it also could be used to paint an untrue picture of the city. I went down to the Freedom of the City parade for 4th para, the other Sunday, Naveeda Ikram, Bradford's superb Lord Mayor, gave a magnificent speech, before the paras marched through Bradford with their pony mascot, band playing and bayonets fixed. I can't imagine a thread starter about that, having 180 odd replys.

Patrick Bateman wrote:
Clowny said:

'That failing allowed the poppy sellers to be abused without those responsible being caught at the time, with still no press release or CCTV appeal being published'

Perhaps they haven't released the CCTV footage due to the perps, allegedly, being minors ('about 12' according to witnesses). Clearly that wouldn't be appropriate. That said, I'm entirely open to the more obvious possibility that they simply don't have any CCTV footage at all. In either case it's hardly helpful in ID'ing the little scrotes.

smm3511 wrote:

TirNaNog wrote:

smm3511 wrote:

Oldwestbowling wrote:

Willard wrote:
How did we get from the Royal British Legion, Remembrance day and poppies to trying to resurect the idiology behing the Third Reich. Are there a lot of mad people who post on here? We were giving out the poppies because of the sacrifice of our forefathers againt tyrany and intolerence. Parents, teach your children some respect, give them good manners and act as a role model in society, do your bit, work hard and give a bit back and hope that your kids mimic you and not these wanabe gangster rappers and drug dealers. That's it, I said it, blame the parents....monkey see, monkey do.

Well said.

well said my a---, bring back the cane in school, give back parents their rights to chestise their kids wheather in public or at home and bring back proper old fashioned policing. All these rights were taken away and this is what you are left with. I remember when u were afraid to misbehave in school because you had to pay for it and it was embarrasing for you to stand outside the headmasters office waiting to be punished, or my mother telling my father id been bad when he walked thru the door after a hard days work. It will never be as it was until you give back the people their rights

So you want the right to beat your children? You want teachers and Police to have the right to beat your children?
It appears to have worked wonders with you! Who was your English teacher - Richard Dunn? FFS!

Who said beat knob, I said chastise, sorry my English aint as good as yours Knob. Your probably one off those who's kids can never do any wrong am i Correct, even if he commits a crime it could not be him or her no not my kids, get to f--- Knob Just for your info i was raised on Thorpe Edge live in the USA and make a five figure salary, oh and by the way I leave my doors unlocked when i go to bed can you, lol

Up with the partridge wrote:
I think the T&A photographic department have overplayed this misery look that they always have when someone has been 'wronged' This mother and daughter take the biscuit for false misery - what a disagreeable photo!

Clowny wrote:

bcfc1903 wrote:

Clowny wrote:
@bcfc1903, the report is plural, there were incident*s*, indeed some of the lasses have already posted saying they had abuse all day.
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"me and my mate spent the whole day getting abuse for selling poppies"
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Incidents included: l A 13-year-old female Army Cadet suffering a young thug spitting in her face; l Two Asian girl cadets getting verbal abuse for selling poppies due to the colour of their skins; l Two *other* sellers being set upon in the city centre; l A gang threatening *other* selllers for their collecting tins.

I've said there was a couple of despicable incidents, let's add another, it's hardly a condemnation of all Pakistani youth is it. These morons are no more representative of that group than are 'The Ointment' tearing it up before or after a BCFC game are of Bradford City football supporters. This thread has racist undertones, it also could be used to paint an untrue picture of the city. I went down to the Freedom of the City parade for 4th para, the other Sunday, Naveeda Ikram, Bradford's superb Lord Mayor, gave a magnificent speech, before the paras marched through Bradford with their pony mascot, band playing and bayonets fixed. I can't imagine a thread starter about that, having 180 odd replys.

The fact remains it wasn't 1 isolated incident.
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The issue for me is simple, the CCTV in Bradford isn’t fit for purpose, it’s wholly post event use and that is very limited as the cameras are being left static, so are very unlikely to ever capture a crime afterwards. Also the police being relocated to Nelson Street has left a gap that hasn’t been filled even by the new City Hall contact point.
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That failing allowed the poppy sellers to be abused without those responsible being caught at the time, with still no press release or CCTV appeal being published.
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I said this at the start of the week, said there was a genuine problem, already we have a blind women mugged on Centenary Square in daylight without the culprit being caught or even one CCTV from the council system 3 days on.