Protesters occupy part of Bradford's Centenary Square (From Bradford Telegraph and Argus)

Againstcuts wrote:
Selling England by the pound just about sums it up mate. On a day when it's announced that FTSE listed company directors had an average 49% rise & Britain performa badly in a 'fairness league' of wealthy nations because of child poverty & inequality more power to the occupiers! We are the 99%

sam-tyler wrote:
They'll be lucky if they last a week, without having their tents & possessions nicked. Will they stay around when the fountains are being tested I wonder? ;-)

SellingEnglandByTheP
ound wrote:
Another gathering of the great unwashed, hope it poors it down and then drops below zero tonight!

SellingEnglandByTheP
ound wrote:

sam-tyler wrote:
They'll be lucky if they last a week, without having their tents & possessions nicked. Will they stay around when the fountains are being tested I wonder? ;-)

No, what will happen is there will be a police presence, probably of some considerable size, protecting them, their possessions and the site they're on, which the bill for WONT be paid by this lot, but people like me! You see, that's what we all need, MORE EXPENDITURE!!!

Aunty Capitalist wrote:

SellingEnglandByTheP

ound wrote:
Another gathering of the great unwashed, hope it poors it down and then drops below zero tonight!

Your attitude stinks mate. People like you disgust me. You are what's wrong with this country. We should all support those brave souls who take it upon themselves to protest on YOUR behalf, you cretin. The company directors give themselves a 50% pay rise whilst everyone else has their pay frozen or cut, or have lost their jobs. Capitalism is based upon pure greed and it must now stop. The bankers still get their millions of££ bonuses, while others have to decide whether to buy food or warmth. Workers are treeted like sh1te and expected to work for minimum wage until they drop. Enough is enough. Stand up for what you believe in, stand up for your rights, take back what belongs to you, ie. ENGLAND.

Againstcuts wrote:
Selling England by the pound just about sums it up mate. On a day when it's announced that FTSE listed company directors had an average 49% rise & Britain performa badly in a 'fairness league' of wealthy nations because of child poverty & inequality more power to the occupiers! We are the 99%

Aunty Capitalist wrote:

SellingEnglandByTheP

ound wrote:
Another gathering of the great unwashed, hope it poors it down and then drops below zero tonight!

Your attitude stinks mate. People like you disgust me. You are what's wrong with this country. We should all support those brave souls who take it upon themselves to protest on YOUR behalf, you cretin. The company directors give themselves a 50% pay rise whilst everyone else has their pay frozen or cut, or have lost their jobs. Capitalism is based upon pure greed and it must now stop. The bankers still get their millions of££ bonuses, while others have to decide whether to buy food or warmth. Workers are treeted like sh1te and expected to work for minimum wage until they drop. Enough is enough. Stand up for what you believe in, stand up for your rights, take back what belongs to you, ie. ENGLAND.

SellingEnglandByTheP
ound wrote:
Just popped outside to let the cat in, wow, it's a chuffing cold one tonight, better turn the heating up I think tee hee!

Mike Strutter wrote:

Aunty Capitalist wrote:

SellingEnglandByTheP


ound wrote:
Another gathering of the great unwashed, hope it poors it down and then drops below zero tonight!

Your attitude stinks mate. People like you disgust me. You are what's wrong with this country. We should all support those brave souls who take it upon themselves to protest on YOUR behalf, you cretin. The company directors give themselves a 50% pay rise whilst everyone else has their pay frozen or cut, or have lost their jobs. Capitalism is based upon pure greed and it must now stop. The bankers still get their millions of££ bonuses, while others have to decide whether to buy food or warmth. Workers are treeted like sh1te and expected to work for minimum wage until they drop. Enough is enough. Stand up for what you believe in, stand up for your rights, take back what belongs to you, ie. ENGLAND.

An anti capitalist using their smartphone in their tent, well I never !!

Mike Strutter wrote:
So if they are planning to stay indefinitely then I assume they don't have work on Monday ?

Oh silly me, of course they haven't.

Aunty Capitalist wrote:

SellingEnglandByTheP

ound wrote:
Just popped outside to let the cat in, wow, it's a chuffing cold one tonight, better turn the heating up I think tee hee!

You do that matey, and think about the huge profits the power companies are making out of YOU! D1ickhead.

Mekon wrote:
"The Bradford protest follows other high-profile protests of hundreds of people outside St Paul’s Cathedral and Wall Street in New York. "

"Other"...lol

What exactly is this going to do. Anti capitalism? Can someone tell me a system that can successfully replace it? Socialism maybe..yeah that's worked in the past hasn't it.

Im all up for equality, but how the hell is a few tents in Bradford or London going to persuade directors to share more of their company (that they maybe started and worked extremely hard to build up) wealth?

The only way to solve equality is to look at the tax models of countries like Sweden...and the only way to do that is to DIRECTLY target the government.

justjustice wrote:

Mike Strutter wrote:
So if they are planning to stay indefinitely then I assume they don't have work on Monday ?

Oh silly me, of course they haven't.

Someone just doesnt get what these protests are about do they.

Part of the protest is that yes they are unemployed, thanks to the 1% making risky decisions and ruining the country resulting in so many losing their jobs; whilst the government uses the taxes they paid to bail the banks out whilst letting them run under; whilst the same bankers who ruining the country give themselves record breaking bonuses for doing such a bang up job!

So ask yourself, are you defending the bankers, or would you rather see people stand up for change?!

justjustice wrote:

Mike Strutter wrote:
So if they are planning to stay indefinitely then I assume they don't have work on Monday ?

Oh silly me, of course they haven't.

Someone just doesnt get what these protests are about do they.

Part of the protest is that yes they are unemployed, thanks to the 1% making risky decisions and ruining the country resulting in so many losing their jobs; whilst the government uses the taxes they paid to bail the banks out whilst letting them run under; whilst the same bankers who ruining the country give themselves record breaking bonuses for doing such a bang up job!

So ask yourself, are you defending the bankers, or would you rather see people stand up for change?!

Mekon wrote:
"The Bradford protest follows other high-profile protests of hundreds of people outside St Paul’s Cathedral and Wall Street in New York. "

"Other"...lol

What exactly is this going to do. Anti capitalism? Can someone tell me a system that can successfully replace it? Socialism maybe..yeah that's worked in the past hasn't it.

Im all up for equality, but how the hell is a few tents in Bradford or London going to persuade directors to share more of their company (that they maybe started and worked extremely hard to build up) wealth?

The only way to solve equality is to look at the tax models of countries like Sweden...and the only way to do that is to DIRECTLY target the government.

Mike Strutter wrote:

justjustice wrote:

Mike Strutter wrote:
So if they are planning to stay indefinitely then I assume they don't have work on Monday ?

Oh silly me, of course they haven't.

Someone just doesnt get what these protests are about do they.

Part of the protest is that yes they are unemployed, thanks to the 1% making risky decisions and ruining the country resulting in so many losing their jobs; whilst the government uses the taxes they paid to bail the banks out whilst letting them run under; whilst the same bankers who ruining the country give themselves record breaking bonuses for doing such a bang up job!

So ask yourself, are you defending the bankers, or would you rather see people stand up for change?!

Yes I do get it sunshine but please do the honour of answering me one question.

Why weren't these protests happening when Labour were busy bankrupting the country and turning a blind eye to the bankers activities ?

Aunty Capitalist wrote:

Mike Strutter wrote:

Aunty Capitalist wrote:

SellingEnglandByTheP



ound wrote:
Another gathering of the great unwashed, hope it poors it down and then drops below zero tonight!

Your attitude stinks mate. People like you disgust me. You are what's wrong with this country. We should all support those brave souls who take it upon themselves to protest on YOUR behalf, you cretin. The company directors give themselves a 50% pay rise whilst everyone else has their pay frozen or cut, or have lost their jobs. Capitalism is based upon pure greed and it must now stop. The bankers still get their millions of££ bonuses, while others have to decide whether to buy food or warmth. Workers are treeted like sh1te and expected to work for minimum wage until they drop. Enough is enough. Stand up for what you believe in, stand up for your rights, take back what belongs to you, ie. ENGLAND.

An anti capitalist using their smartphone in their tent, well I never !!

whilst tapping-in to a FREE wi-fi signal.

SellingEnglandByTheP
ound wrote:

Aunty Capitalist wrote:

Mike Strutter wrote:

Aunty Capitalist wrote:

SellingEnglandByTheP




ound wrote:
Another gathering of the great unwashed, hope it poors it down and then drops below zero tonight!

Your attitude stinks mate. People like you disgust me. You are what's wrong with this country. We should all support those brave souls who take it upon themselves to protest on YOUR behalf, you cretin. The company directors give themselves a 50% pay rise whilst everyone else has their pay frozen or cut, or have lost their jobs. Capitalism is based upon pure greed and it must now stop. The bankers still get their millions of££ bonuses, while others have to decide whether to buy food or warmth. Workers are treeted like sh1te and expected to work for minimum wage until they drop. Enough is enough. Stand up for what you believe in, stand up for your rights, take back what belongs to you, ie. ENGLAND.

An anti capitalist using their smartphone in their tent, well I never !!

whilst tapping-in to a FREE wi-fi signal.

Keep digging twerp!

Aunty Capitalist wrote:

SellingEnglandByTheP

ound wrote:

Aunty Capitalist wrote:

Mike Strutter wrote:

Aunty Capitalist wrote:

SellingEnglandByTheP





ound wrote:
Another gathering of the great unwashed, hope it poors it down and then drops below zero tonight!

Your attitude stinks mate. People like you disgust me. You are what's wrong with this country. We should all support those brave souls who take it upon themselves to protest on YOUR behalf, you cretin. The company directors give themselves a 50% pay rise whilst everyone else has their pay frozen or cut, or have lost their jobs. Capitalism is based upon pure greed and it must now stop. The bankers still get their millions of££ bonuses, while others have to decide whether to buy food or warmth. Workers are treeted like sh1te and expected to work for minimum wage until they drop. Enough is enough. Stand up for what you believe in, stand up for your rights, take back what belongs to you, ie. ENGLAND.

An anti capitalist using their smartphone in their tent, well I never !!

whilst tapping-in to a FREE wi-fi signal.

Keep digging twerp!

Dig for Victory!

Aunty Capitalist wrote:

Mike Strutter wrote:

justjustice wrote:

Mike Strutter wrote:
So if they are planning to stay indefinitely then I assume they don't have work on Monday ?

Oh silly me, of course they haven't.

Someone just doesnt get what these protests are about do they.

Part of the protest is that yes they are unemployed, thanks to the 1% making risky decisions and ruining the country resulting in so many losing their jobs; whilst the government uses the taxes they paid to bail the banks out whilst letting them run under; whilst the same bankers who ruining the country give themselves record breaking bonuses for doing such a bang up job!

So ask yourself, are you defending the bankers, or would you rather see people stand up for change?!

Yes I do get it sunshine but please do the honour of answering me one question.

Why weren't these protests happening when Labour were busy bankrupting the country and turning a blind eye to the bankers activities ?

erm..I don't think Labour were "bankrupting the country", don't know where you get that one from!

Mike Strutter wrote:

justjustice wrote:

Mike Strutter wrote:
So if they are planning to stay indefinitely then I assume they don't have work on Monday ?

Oh silly me, of course they haven't.

Someone just doesnt get what these protests are about do they.

Part of the protest is that yes they are unemployed, thanks to the 1% making risky decisions and ruining the country resulting in so many losing their jobs; whilst the government uses the taxes they paid to bail the banks out whilst letting them run under; whilst the same bankers who ruining the country give themselves record breaking bonuses for doing such a bang up job!

So ask yourself, are you defending the bankers, or would you rather see people stand up for change?!

Yes I do get it sunshine but please do the honour of answering me one question.

Why weren't these protests happening when Labour were busy bankrupting the country and turning a blind eye to the bankers activities ?

yangy8 wrote:

Againstcuts wrote:
Selling England by the pound just about sums it up mate. On a day when it's announced that FTSE listed company directors had an average 49% rise & Britain performa badly in a 'fairness league' of wealthy nations because of child poverty & inequality more power to the occupiers! We are the 99%

get stuffed! i work for a living, pay my taxes.
do you really believe any of this will work?
governments decide this stuff and they have not listened for 20 years!!!

Reality001 wrote:

Mike Strutter wrote:

justjustice wrote:

Mike Strutter wrote:
So if they are planning to stay indefinitely then I assume they don't have work on Monday ?

Oh silly me, of course they haven't.

Someone just doesnt get what these protests are about do they.

Part of the protest is that yes they are unemployed, thanks to the 1% making risky decisions and ruining the country resulting in so many losing their jobs; whilst the government uses the taxes they paid to bail the banks out whilst letting them run under; whilst the same bankers who ruining the country give themselves record breaking bonuses for doing such a bang up job!

So ask yourself, are you defending the bankers, or would you rather see people stand up for change?!

Yes I do get it sunshine but please do the honour of answering me one question.

Why weren't these protests happening when Labour were busy bankrupting the country and turning a blind eye to the bankers activities ?

So are you really suggesting that the Labour Party investing in more police, better NHS and education caused Lehman Brothers in America to go bankrupt which caused the global banking crisis ?????

Did having more ambulances cause Northern Rock to go bust ????

The financial crisis was caused by capitalist greed.

SellingEnglandByTheP
ound wrote:

Reality001 wrote:

Mike Strutter wrote:

justjustice wrote:

Mike Strutter wrote:
So if they are planning to stay indefinitely then I assume they don't have work on Monday ?

Oh silly me, of course they haven't.

Someone just doesnt get what these protests are about do they.

Part of the protest is that yes they are unemployed, thanks to the 1% making risky decisions and ruining the country resulting in so many losing their jobs; whilst the government uses the taxes they paid to bail the banks out whilst letting them run under; whilst the same bankers who ruining the country give themselves record breaking bonuses for doing such a bang up job!

So ask yourself, are you defending the bankers, or would you rather see people stand up for change?!

Yes I do get it sunshine but please do the honour of answering me one question.

Why weren't these protests happening when Labour were busy bankrupting the country and turning a blind eye to the bankers activities ?

So are you really suggesting that the Labour Party investing in more police, better NHS and education caused Lehman Brothers in America to go bankrupt which caused the global banking crisis ?????

Did having more ambulances cause Northern Rock to go bust ????

The financial crisis was caused by capitalist greed.

I get it now, it's so simple now you've explained it, that's how you fight capitalist dictators and world greed, WITH A PHONE, A FLASK, AND A TENT!!!

Reality001 wrote:

yangy8 wrote:

Againstcuts wrote:
Selling England by the pound just about sums it up mate. On a day when it's announced that FTSE listed company directors had an average 49% rise & Britain performa badly in a 'fairness league' of wealthy nations because of child poverty & inequality more power to the occupiers! We are the 99%

get stuffed! i work for a living, pay my taxes.
do you really believe any of this will work?
governments decide this stuff and they have not listened for 20 years!!!

Check your history - It was the sight of police horses trampling on a woman during the protests over the Poll Tax which caused the demise of Margaret Thatcher.

Protesting does work !!

Aunty Capitalist wrote:

Mike Strutter wrote:

justjustice wrote:

Mike Strutter wrote:
So if they are planning to stay indefinitely then I assume they don't have work on Monday ?

Oh silly me, of course they haven't.

Someone just doesnt get what these protests are about do they.

Part of the protest is that yes they are unemployed, thanks to the 1% making risky decisions and ruining the country resulting in so many losing their jobs; whilst the government uses the taxes they paid to bail the banks out whilst letting them run under; whilst the same bankers who ruining the country give themselves record breaking bonuses for doing such a bang up job!

So ask yourself, are you defending the bankers, or would you rather see people stand up for change?!

Yes I do get it sunshine but please do the honour of answering me one question.

Why weren't these protests happening when Labour were busy bankrupting the country and turning a blind eye to the bankers activities ?

erm..I don't think Labour were "bankrupting the country", don't know where you get that one from!

SellingEnglandByTheP
ound wrote:

Reality001 wrote:

yangy8 wrote:

Againstcuts wrote:
Selling England by the pound just about sums it up mate. On a day when it's announced that FTSE listed company directors had an average 49% rise & Britain performa badly in a 'fairness league' of wealthy nations because of child poverty & inequality more power to the occupiers! We are the 99%

get stuffed! i work for a living, pay my taxes.
do you really believe any of this will work?
governments decide this stuff and they have not listened for 20 years!!!

Check your history - It was the sight of police horses trampling on a woman during the protests over the Poll Tax which caused the demise of Margaret Thatcher.

Protesting does work !!

Oh yeah, that's right, sorry I forgot about that, and then the government totally scrapped all plans for a nationwide tax on households to pay for.......hang on.........oh yeah.......THEY JUST RENAMED IT!

justjustice wrote:

Aunty Capitalist wrote:

Mike Strutter wrote:

justjustice wrote:

Mike Strutter wrote:
So if they are planning to stay indefinitely then I assume they don't have work on Monday ?

Oh silly me, of course they haven't.

Someone just doesnt get what these protests are about do they.

Part of the protest is that yes they are unemployed, thanks to the 1% making risky decisions and ruining the country resulting in so many losing their jobs; whilst the government uses the taxes they paid to bail the banks out whilst letting them run under; whilst the same bankers who ruining the country give themselves record breaking bonuses for doing such a bang up job!

So ask yourself, are you defending the bankers, or would you rather see people stand up for change?!

Yes I do get it sunshine but please do the honour of answering me one question.

Why weren't these protests happening when Labour were busy bankrupting the country and turning a blind eye to the bankers activities ?

erm..I don't think Labour were "bankrupting the country", don't know where you get that one from!

First of all "sunshine", Labour obviously didnt want to tell the public that they were spending like there was no tomorrow.

And havent you been watching the news Aunty Capitalist? The euro is in crisis, and the government has had to make drastic cuts in order to try and balance the books thanks to Labour's insane spending!

Also the only way for us to complain about the government is to overthrow it, as we've seen it doesnt matter which party is in charge, they simply do not do what the people want, in fact they wont even listen! The first e-petition reached the required level and the firs thing they announced was that maybe they should increase the number of signatures!

Aunty Capitalist wrote:

Mekon wrote:
"The Bradford protest follows other high-profile protests of hundreds of people outside St Paul’s Cathedral and Wall Street in New York. "

"Other"...lol

What exactly is this going to do. Anti capitalism? Can someone tell me a system that can successfully replace it? Socialism maybe..yeah that's worked in the past hasn't it.

Im all up for equality, but how the hell is a few tents in Bradford or London going to persuade directors to share more of their company (that they maybe started and worked extremely hard to build up) wealth?

The only way to solve equality is to look at the tax models of countries like Sweden...and the only way to do that is to DIRECTLY target the government.

De-centralize government, abandon the goal of economic growth, create small-scale cashless local economies utilizing local resources in a sustainable manner, use available technologies to improve people's lives instead of maximising profit. See E.F. Schumacher 'Small Is Beautiful'.

Mike Strutter wrote:

Aunty Capitalist wrote:

Mike Strutter wrote:

justjustice wrote:

Mike Strutter wrote:
So if they are planning to stay indefinitely then I assume they don't have work on Monday ?

Oh silly me, of course they haven't.

Someone just doesnt get what these protests are about do they.

Part of the protest is that yes they are unemployed, thanks to the 1% making risky decisions and ruining the country resulting in so many losing their jobs; whilst the government uses the taxes they paid to bail the banks out whilst letting them run under; whilst the same bankers who ruining the country give themselves record breaking bonuses for doing such a bang up job!

So ask yourself, are you defending the bankers, or would you rather see people stand up for change?!

Yes I do get it sunshine but please do the honour of answering me one question.

Why weren't these protests happening when Labour were busy bankrupting the country and turning a blind eye to the bankers activities ?

erm..I don't think Labour were "bankrupting the country", don't know where you get that one from!

YOU WHAT ??????????

Please tell me you are pulling my leg ?

Reality001 wrote:

SellingEnglandByTheP

ound wrote:

Reality001 wrote:

Mike Strutter wrote:

justjustice wrote:

Mike Strutter wrote:
So if they are planning to stay indefinitely then I assume they don't have work on Monday ?

Oh silly me, of course they haven't.

Someone just doesnt get what these protests are about do they.

Part of the protest is that yes they are unemployed, thanks to the 1% making risky decisions and ruining the country resulting in so many losing their jobs; whilst the government uses the taxes they paid to bail the banks out whilst letting them run under; whilst the same bankers who ruining the country give themselves record breaking bonuses for doing such a bang up job!

So ask yourself, are you defending the bankers, or would you rather see people stand up for change?!

Yes I do get it sunshine but please do the honour of answering me one question.

Why weren't these protests happening when Labour were busy bankrupting the country and turning a blind eye to the bankers activities ?

So are you really suggesting that the Labour Party investing in more police, better NHS and education caused Lehman Brothers in America to go bankrupt which caused the global banking crisis ?????

Did having more ambulances cause Northern Rock to go bust ????

The financial crisis was caused by capitalist greed.

I get it now, it's so simple now you've explained it, that's how you fight capitalist dictators and world greed, WITH A PHONE, A FLASK, AND A TENT!!!

I notice you didn't disagree with my post. Anyway I'm not one of the protestors nor did I say I was.

In the comfort of my home in Bradford

SellingEnglandByTheP
ound wrote:

Reality001 wrote:

SellingEnglandByTheP


ound wrote:

Reality001 wrote:

Mike Strutter wrote:

justjustice wrote:

Mike Strutter wrote:
So if they are planning to stay indefinitely then I assume they don't have work on Monday ?

Oh silly me, of course they haven't.

Someone just doesnt get what these protests are about do they.

Part of the protest is that yes they are unemployed, thanks to the 1% making risky decisions and ruining the country resulting in so many losing their jobs; whilst the government uses the taxes they paid to bail the banks out whilst letting them run under; whilst the same bankers who ruining the country give themselves record breaking bonuses for doing such a bang up job!

So ask yourself, are you defending the bankers, or would you rather see people stand up for change?!

Yes I do get it sunshine but please do the honour of answering me one question.

Why weren't these protests happening when Labour were busy bankrupting the country and turning a blind eye to the bankers activities ?

So are you really suggesting that the Labour Party investing in more police, better NHS and education caused Lehman Brothers in America to go bankrupt which caused the global banking crisis ?????

Did having more ambulances cause Northern Rock to go bust ????

The financial crisis was caused by capitalist greed.

I get it now, it's so simple now you've explained it, that's how you fight capitalist dictators and world greed, WITH A PHONE, A FLASK, AND A TENT!!!

I notice you didn't disagree with my post. Anyway I'm not one of the protestors nor did I say I was.

In the comfort of my home in Bradford

I dont dissagree with your post, not entirely anyway, the collapse of the Lehman Bros is only a small portion of the spark that ignited this recession. I dont actually disagree with the root of the protest, everyone should have the right to have their voice heard if they feel strongly enough to voice it. Global greed is a massive problem, but thats just it, it's massive, Trillions of Dollors worldwide are wasted, bankers and fuel companys bonuses get higher whilst the rest of us have to scrimp and save, but, pitching a few tents outside a Town Hall does not and will not make a difference. All it does is make the cause even smaller and sadly laughable!

Reality001 wrote:

yangy8 wrote:

Againstcuts wrote:
Selling England by the pound just about sums it up mate. On a day when it's announced that FTSE listed company directors had an average 49% rise & Britain performa badly in a 'fairness league' of wealthy nations because of child poverty & inequality more power to the occupiers! We are the 99%

get stuffed! i work for a living, pay my taxes.
do you really believe any of this will work?
governments decide this stuff and they have not listened for 20 years!!!

Check your history - It was the sight of police horses trampling on a woman during the protests over the Poll Tax which caused the demise of Margaret Thatcher.

Protesting does work !!

Reality001 wrote:

SellingEnglandByTheP

ound wrote:

Reality001 wrote:

SellingEnglandByTheP



ound wrote:

Reality001 wrote:

Mike Strutter wrote:

justjustice wrote:

Mike Strutter wrote:
So if they are planning to stay indefinitely then I assume they don't have work on Monday ?

Oh silly me, of course they haven't.

Someone just doesnt get what these protests are about do they.

Part of the protest is that yes they are unemployed, thanks to the 1% making risky decisions and ruining the country resulting in so many losing their jobs; whilst the government uses the taxes they paid to bail the banks out whilst letting them run under; whilst the same bankers who ruining the country give themselves record breaking bonuses for doing such a bang up job!

So ask yourself, are you defending the bankers, or would you rather see people stand up for change?!

Yes I do get it sunshine but please do the honour of answering me one question.

Why weren't these protests happening when Labour were busy bankrupting the country and turning a blind eye to the bankers activities ?

So are you really suggesting that the Labour Party investing in more police, better NHS and education caused Lehman Brothers in America to go bankrupt which caused the global banking crisis ?????

Did having more ambulances cause Northern Rock to go bust ????

The financial crisis was caused by capitalist greed.

I get it now, it's so simple now you've explained it, that's how you fight capitalist dictators and world greed, WITH A PHONE, A FLASK, AND A TENT!!!

I notice you didn't disagree with my post. Anyway I'm not one of the protestors nor did I say I was.

In the comfort of my home in Bradford

I dont dissagree with your post, not entirely anyway, the collapse of the Lehman Bros is only a small portion of the spark that ignited this recession. I dont actually disagree with the root of the protest, everyone should have the right to have their voice heard if they feel strongly enough to voice it. Global greed is a massive problem, but thats just it, it's massive, Trillions of Dollors worldwide are wasted, bankers and fuel companys bonuses get higher whilst the rest of us have to scrimp and save, but, pitching a few tents outside a Town Hall does not and will not make a difference. All it does is make the cause even smaller and sadly laughable!

But the fact it has got us talking about it means it has worked

Reality001 wrote:

yangy8 wrote:

Againstcuts wrote:
Selling England by the pound just about sums it up mate. On a day when it's announced that FTSE listed company directors had an average 49% rise & Britain performa badly in a 'fairness league' of wealthy nations because of child poverty & inequality more power to the occupiers! We are the 99%

get stuffed! i work for a living, pay my taxes.
do you really believe any of this will work?
governments decide this stuff and they have not listened for 20 years!!!

Check your history - It was the sight of police horses trampling on a woman during the protests over the Poll Tax which caused the demise of Margaret Thatcher.

Protesting does work !!

Againstcuts wrote:
Selling England by the pound just about sums it up mate. On a day when it's announced that FTSE listed company directors had an average 49% rise & Britain performa badly in a 'fairness league' of wealthy nations because of child poverty & inequality more power to the occupiers! We are the 99%

Aunty Capitalist wrote:

SellingEnglandByTheP

ound wrote:
Another gathering of the great unwashed, hope it poors it down and then drops below zero tonight!

Your attitude stinks mate. People like you disgust me. You are what's wrong with this country. We should all support those brave souls who take it upon themselves to protest on YOUR behalf, you cretin. The company directors give themselves a 50% pay rise whilst everyone else has their pay frozen or cut, or have lost their jobs. Capitalism is based upon pure greed and it must now stop. The bankers still get their millions of££ bonuses, while others have to decide whether to buy food or warmth. Workers are treeted like sh1te and expected to work for minimum wage until they drop. Enough is enough. Stand up for what you believe in, stand up for your rights, take back what belongs to you, ie. ENGLAND.

Reality001 wrote:

Mike Strutter wrote:

justjustice wrote:

Mike Strutter wrote:
So if they are planning to stay indefinitely then I assume they don't have work on Monday ?

Oh silly me, of course they haven't.

Someone just doesnt get what these protests are about do they.

Part of the protest is that yes they are unemployed, thanks to the 1% making risky decisions and ruining the country resulting in so many losing their jobs; whilst the government uses the taxes they paid to bail the banks out whilst letting them run under; whilst the same bankers who ruining the country give themselves record breaking bonuses for doing such a bang up job!

So ask yourself, are you defending the bankers, or would you rather see people stand up for change?!

Yes I do get it sunshine but please do the honour of answering me one question.

Why weren't these protests happening when Labour were busy bankrupting the country and turning a blind eye to the bankers activities ?

So are you really suggesting that the Labour Party investing in more police, better NHS and education caused Lehman Brothers in America to go bankrupt which caused the global banking crisis ?????

Did having more ambulances cause Northern Rock to go bust ????

The financial crisis was caused by capitalist greed.

pcbradford wrote:
Most of the 49% payrise is actually from bonuses, why do you all think they get big bonuses, its because they earn alot of money for their respective companies, they're working just like the rest of us, i think if they work hard then they deserve it, and perhaps its time for the rest of us to get more greedy, "Greed is Good"

Againstcuts wrote:
Should say % at the end there.

Mike Strutter wrote:

Againstcuts wrote: Should say % at the end there.

By eck it's cold this morning. How are you managing to type with those thick woolly gloves on ? Don't tell me you have wired a heater up to the mains in Centenary sq !

SellingEnglandByTheP
ound wrote:
Another gathering of the great unwashed, hope it poors it down and then drops below zero tonight!

Zonalslim wrote:

Mike Strutter wrote:

Againstcuts wrote: Should say % at the end there.

By eck it's cold this morning. How are you managing to type with those thick woolly gloves on ? Don't tell me you have wired a heater up to the mains in Centenary sq !

Hmmm I wonder....

How does a tree hugger keep warm?

1. Burn wood (but that would be against the ethics)

2. Use a portable gas heater or camping stove (with gas supplied by a large capitalist company)

I suppose they just live on hugs or freeze.

Just 1 sec while I turn the stat up another 15deg afterall it is a chilly morning.

Right time for a full monty me thinks.

Mike Strutter wrote:
So if they are planning to stay indefinitely then I assume they don't have work on Monday ?

Oh silly me, of course they haven't.

sam-tyler wrote:
I wonder if Rolandsmoke will be joining them?...He seems to be a bit of a dosser.
.
Hey, Tent boy..... Keep an eye out for the Good Lads driving their cars across the square. Wouldn't want your scruffy dreads getting caught up in their wheels would we?
.
Erm, that could be quite amusing actually. :)

Reality001 wrote:

yangy8 wrote:

Againstcuts wrote:
Selling England by the pound just about sums it up mate. On a day when it's announced that FTSE listed company directors had an average 49% rise & Britain performa badly in a 'fairness league' of wealthy nations because of child poverty & inequality more power to the occupiers! We are the 99%

get stuffed! i work for a living, pay my taxes.
do you really believe any of this will work?
governments decide this stuff and they have not listened for 20 years!!!

Check your history - It was the sight of police horses trampling on a woman during the protests over the Poll Tax which caused the demise of Margaret Thatcher.

Protesting does work !!

gaffzilla wrote:

SellingEnglandByTheP

ound wrote:
Another gathering of the great unwashed, hope it poors it down and then drops below zero tonight!

That is a vile comment. What a repellent piece of crap you must be.

Againstcuts wrote:

pcbradford wrote: Most of the 49% payrise is actually from bonuses, why do you all think they get big bonuses, its because they earn alot of money for their respective companies, they're working just like the rest of us, i think if they work hard then they deserve it, and perhaps its time for the rest of us to get more greedy, "Greed is Good"

Just like the Royal Bank of Scotland lost 950 million last year paid out a billion in bonuses! I wonder how much of the 'profits' in the FTSE companies are made from cutting costs, reducing wages, & employing children somewhere in the world. So someone somewhere is paying for these 'profits'. An interesting local fact - nationally unemployment went up 8% last year (September -September) & over 15% in the Bradford district. I wish some of the contributors would try & think a bit beforw making their offensive & often racist comments. A few tents in Bradford might not seem much but it is part of people accross the world saying our current system is unjust & unfair. Everybody should have access to food, water, housing, education & health care. The right to make a contribution for the common good, have political, cultural & religious freedoms respected & get a bit of fun out of life! We have the technology to do this & should concentrate on this rather than wars & making a tiny elite ever richer. Currently for most people, even those in the West in relatively well paid jobs live a precarious existence. Most of us are only a couple of pay checks away from homelessness. So stop hating & join in - we are the 99!

BD16 wrote:

Againstcuts wrote:

pcbradford wrote: Most of the 49% payrise is actually from bonuses, why do you all think they get big bonuses, its because they earn alot of money for their respective companies, they're working just like the rest of us, i think if they work hard then they deserve it, and perhaps its time for the rest of us to get more greedy, "Greed is Good"

Just like the Royal Bank of Scotland lost 950 million last year paid out a billion in bonuses! I wonder how much of the 'profits' in the FTSE companies are made from cutting costs, reducing wages, & employing children somewhere in the world. So someone somewhere is paying for these 'profits'. An interesting local fact - nationally unemployment went up 8% last year (September -September) & over 15% in the Bradford district. I wish some of the contributors would try & think a bit beforw making their offensive & often racist comments. A few tents in Bradford might not seem much but it is part of people accross the world saying our current system is unjust & unfair. Everybody should have access to food, water, housing, education & health care. The right to make a contribution for the common good, have political, cultural & religious freedoms respected & get a bit of fun out of life! We have the technology to do this & should concentrate on this rather than wars & making a tiny elite ever richer. Currently for most people, even those in the West in relatively well paid jobs live a precarious existence. Most of us are only a couple of pay checks away from homelessness. So stop hating & join in - we are the 99!

No you are not the 99. It looks like you are the 10 if the picture at the top of the page is correct.

Aunty Capitalist wrote:

sam-tyler wrote:
I wonder if Rolandsmoke will be joining them?...He seems to be a bit of a dosser.
.
Hey, Tent boy..... Keep an eye out for the Good Lads driving their cars across the square. Wouldn't want your scruffy dreads getting caught up in their wheels would we?
.
Erm, that could be quite amusing actually. :)

The level of intelligence of *some* comments on here beggar belief. You lot are the problem. WAKE UP.

SellingEnglandByTheP
ound wrote:

Againstcuts wrote:
Selling England by the pound just about sums it up mate. On a day when it's announced that FTSE listed company directors had an average 49% rise & Britain performa badly in a 'fairness league' of wealthy nations because of child poverty & inequality more power to the occupiers! We are the 99%

There are other ways of making a stand, which I strongly AGREE in, but having a bunch of unemployed, cap in hand benefit scroungers pitching tents outside the Town Hall, on a Friday night, when the people who the protest is aimed at are at home sipping £30 a bottle whiskey and patting themselves on the back and wont actually be there for another two days a bit laughable!

Aunty Capitalist wrote:

gaffzilla wrote:

SellingEnglandByTheP


ound wrote:
Another gathering of the great unwashed, hope it poors it down and then drops below zero tonight!

That is a vile comment. What a repellent piece of crap you must be.

Well said, I agree. He/she is obviously either very warped or not very intelligent. Probably just a pathetic troll, best ignored.

cormon wrote:
Amazing isn't it? Three tents go up in Centenary Square and we have the biggest outpouring of political expression since the Poll Tax riots!!
The antagonistic views show just how polarised the public have become. We have -
a) The lemmings - those who can't stand to own up to the obvious fact that they have been consistently ripped off by the uber rich and greedy for the past 30 years. They read the 'Daily Drivel', work hard doing two or three jobs to make ends meet; always pay their taxes, believe democracy still exists; would never ask a serious question if their lives depended on it, believe in Little England and always defer to authority
b) - The atavists. They believe that democracy still works and that all that needs to be done is to have another election and hope that Miliband turns into Miliorchestra and waves a magic wand to restore some sanity
c) - The conventional Left - firmly believe in the principles of Marx. It's now time for the Revolution and we won't get fooled again if we have one.
d) - The Futurists - including the Occupancy Movement, elements of the thinking and informed young, the wise and the cynical. They know the system is structurally flawed. They know we've got 8 trillion poundsworth of debt (7 times more than Italy which is considered to be in financial difficulty); they know the system is unsustainable; they know that politicians are part of the problem, not a solution. They don't know the answers, but they do know that questions need to be asked, and they do know that supporting Greed as humanity's primary value, will guarantee that we don't remain as a species for a fraction of the time that the dinosaurs did.
As most people in the uk fall into category a) I guess that complete social and economic collapse is just round the corner.

gaffzilla wrote:

SellingEnglandByTheP

ound wrote:
Another gathering of the great unwashed, hope it poors it down and then drops below zero tonight!

That is a vile comment. What a repellent piece of crap you must be.

NCC.1701A wrote:

SellingEnglandByTheP

ound wrote:

Againstcuts wrote:
Selling England by the pound just about sums it up mate. On a day when it's announced that FTSE listed company directors had an average 49% rise & Britain performa badly in a 'fairness league' of wealthy nations because of child poverty & inequality more power to the occupiers! We are the 99%

There are other ways of making a stand, which I strongly AGREE in, but having a bunch of unemployed, cap in hand benefit scroungers pitching tents outside the Town Hall, on a Friday night, when the people who the protest is aimed at are at home sipping £30 a bottle whiskey and patting themselves on the back and wont actually be there for another two days a bit laughable!

Prove it!

NCC.1701A wrote:
All I can say is, you must have a poor record of 'doing it' - are you with me ladies?

NCC.1701A wrote:
I hope they are posting guards around the tent's, as they are camped very close to the disgusting Lloyds Bar, very dodggy.

Yorkshire Lass wrote:

Aunty Capitalist wrote:

SellingEnglandByTheP


ound wrote:
Another gathering of the great unwashed, hope it poors it down and then drops below zero tonight!

Your attitude stinks mate. People like you disgust me. You are what's wrong with this country. We should all support those brave souls who take it upon themselves to protest on YOUR behalf, you cretin. The company directors give themselves a 50% pay rise whilst everyone else has their pay frozen or cut, or have lost their jobs. Capitalism is based upon pure greed and it must now stop. The bankers still get their millions of££ bonuses, while others have to decide whether to buy food or warmth. Workers are treeted like sh1te and expected to work for minimum wage until they drop. Enough is enough. Stand up for what you believe in, stand up for your rights, take back what belongs to you, ie. ENGLAND.

Does anyone think that a few people protesting in a tent will stop the every greedy capitalists change their attitude? I think not. This is just a waste of public money which the normal, working person can ill afford to spend for policing etc. It has been proved that the protest in London is a sham because at night they are not actually there. Also the recent riots were mainly foreign nationalists so are they taking back England or what?

SellingEnglandByTheP
ound wrote:

NCC.1701A wrote:
All I can say is, you must have a poor record of 'doing it' - are you with me ladies?

Suggest you stick to cucumbers love!

E.goldstein wrote:
It is commendable that people are prepared to get off there backsides and protest about something, instead of just whinging into their beer. This country needs more people like this.

NCC.1701A wrote:

SellingEnglandByTheP

ound wrote:

NCC.1701A wrote:
All I can say is, you must have a poor record of 'doing it' - are you with me ladies?

Suggest you stick to cucumbers love!

Ohhh! nice, the bigger the better, and when I squeeze it fills me with so much more that any man could!

Clowny wrote:

NCC.1701A wrote:
I hope they are posting guards around the tent's, as they are camped very close to the disgusting Lloyds Bar, very dodggy.

A few of them have been using the cash machine, I was stood behind them last night. Total hypocrites, it's laughable really.

sam-tyler wrote:

Aunty Capitalist wrote:

sam-tyler wrote:
I wonder if Rolandsmoke will be joining them?...He seems to be a bit of a dosser.
.
Hey, Tent boy..... Keep an eye out for the Good Lads driving their cars across the square. Wouldn't want your scruffy dreads getting caught up in their wheels would we?
.
Erm, that could be quite amusing actually. :)

The level of intelligence of *some* comments on here beggar belief. You lot are the problem. WAKE UP.

Get a job, you lazy scruffy oiks.
I do hope you've all told the DWP you're 'protesting' so they can stop your job seekers & housing benefits.
.
Oh, & be careful what you say, I might just come down to Centenary Square, & threaten you with a bar of soap & a bucket of water!

SellingEnglandByTheP
ound wrote:

E.goldstein wrote:
It is commendable that people are prepared to get off there backsides and protest about something, instead of just whinging into their beer. This country needs more people like this.

People like who? People who pitch tents outside a CLOSED Town Hall, and then do NOTHING! Just sit there, doing nothing. "Nothing" is what it is, "nothing" is what the Politicians look upon it as, "Half A***d at best! Watch these wonderful pillars of society on giro day, on when they are told their money might be cut because they haven't had a job since they've left school, watch them be half a***d then!

Aunty Capitalist wrote:

SellingEnglandByTheP

ound wrote:

E.goldstein wrote:
It is commendable that people are prepared to get off there backsides and protest about something, instead of just whinging into their beer. This country needs more people like this.

People like who? People who pitch tents outside a CLOSED Town Hall, and then do NOTHING! Just sit there, doing nothing. "Nothing" is what it is, "nothing" is what the Politicians look upon it as, "Half A***d at best! Watch these wonderful pillars of society on giro day, on when they are told their money might be cut because they haven't had a job since they've left school, watch them be half a***d then!

Have you ever stopped to think that YOU may one day (soon) be unemployed? I'd say it's pretty inevitable. See where your inane wisecracks get you then smarty pants.

cormon wrote:
Amazing isn't it? Three tents go up in Centenary Square and we have the biggest outpouring of political expression since the Poll Tax riots!!
The antagonistic views show just how polarised the public have become. We have -
a) The lemmings - those who can't stand to own up to the obvious fact that they have been consistently ripped off by the uber rich and greedy for the past 30 years. They read the 'Daily Drivel', work hard doing two or three jobs to make ends meet; always pay their taxes, believe democracy still exists; would never ask a serious question if their lives depended on it, believe in Little England and always defer to authority
b) - The atavists. They believe that democracy still works and that all that needs to be done is to have another election and hope that Miliband turns into Miliorchestra and waves a magic wand to restore some sanity
c) - The conventional Left - firmly believe in the principles of Marx. It's now time for the Revolution and we won't get fooled again if we have one.
d) - The Futurists - including the Occupancy Movement, elements of the thinking and informed young, the wise and the cynical. They know the system is structurally flawed. They know we've got 8 trillion poundsworth of debt (7 times more than Italy which is considered to be in financial difficulty); they know the system is unsustainable; they know that politicians are part of the problem, not a solution. They don't know the answers, but they do know that questions need to be asked, and they do know that supporting Greed as humanity's primary value, will guarantee that we don't remain as a species for a fraction of the time that the dinosaurs did.
As most people in the uk fall into category a) I guess that complete social and economic collapse is just round the corner.

NCC.1701A wrote:
Oh, and then being signed up to your own Work Programme - then you can suffer your own making, trust me, where ever you end up - god help you for bringing this down on the unemployed - you will definiately need police protection for the 2 years you are at the course integrating with the people you have sent there.
.
Something to think about Mr Ian Duncan Smith MP.

Aunty Capitalist wrote:

NCC.1701A wrote:
Oh, and then being signed up to your own Work Programme - then you can suffer your own making, trust me, where ever you end up - god help you for bringing this down on the unemployed - you will definiately need police protection for the 2 years you are at the course integrating with the people you have sent there.
.
Something to think about Mr Ian Duncan Smith MP.

I wish to God I'd had advanced notice about Chris Grayling visiting Bradford B.E.S.T. the other day, he wouldn't have got out alive....

NCC.1701A wrote:
Oh, and then being signed up to your own Work Programme - then you can suffer your own making, trust me, where ever you end up - god help you for bringing this down on the unemployed - you will definiately need police protection for the 2 years you are at the course integrating with the people you have sent there.
.
Something to think about Mr Ian Duncan Smith MP.

Oldwestbowling wrote:

Aunty Capitalist wrote:

NCC.1701A wrote:
Oh, and then being signed up to your own Work Programme - then you can suffer your own making, trust me, where ever you end up - god help you for bringing this down on the unemployed - you will definiately need police protection for the 2 years you are at the course integrating with the people you have sent there.
.
Something to think about Mr Ian Duncan Smith MP.

I wish to God I'd had advanced notice about Chris Grayling visiting Bradford B.E.S.T. the other day, he wouldn't have got out alive....

What? So would you have murdered him then?

Aunty Capitalist wrote:

NCC.1701A wrote:
Oh, and then being signed up to your own Work Programme - then you can suffer your own making, trust me, where ever you end up - god help you for bringing this down on the unemployed - you will definiately need police protection for the 2 years you are at the course integrating with the people you have sent there.
.
Something to think about Mr Ian Duncan Smith MP.

I wish to God I'd had advanced notice about Chris Grayling visiting Bradford B.E.S.T. the other day, he wouldn't have got out alive....

Aunty Capitalist wrote:
The Tories represent the greatest threat to our existence since WW2. The line has been drawn. They have declared war. It's us or them.

Aunty Capitalist wrote:

sam-tyler wrote:

Aunty Capitalist wrote:

sam-tyler wrote:
I wonder if Rolandsmoke will be joining them?...He seems to be a bit of a dosser.
.
Hey, Tent boy..... Keep an eye out for the Good Lads driving their cars across the square. Wouldn't want your scruffy dreads getting caught up in their wheels would we?
.
Erm, that could be quite amusing actually. :)

The level of intelligence of *some* comments on here beggar belief. You lot are the problem. WAKE UP.

Get a job, you lazy scruffy oiks.
I do hope you've all told the DWP you're 'protesting' so they can stop your job seekers & housing benefits.
.
Oh, & be careful what you say, I might just come down to Centenary Square, & threaten you with a bar of soap & a bucket of water!

For God's sake grow up.

NCC.1701A wrote:

Aunty Capitalist wrote:

NCC.1701A wrote:
Oh, and then being signed up to your own Work Programme - then you can suffer your own making, trust me, where ever you end up - god help you for bringing this down on the unemployed - you will definiately need police protection for the 2 years you are at the course integrating with the people you have sent there.
.
Something to think about Mr Ian Duncan Smith MP.

I wish to God I'd had advanced notice about Chris Grayling visiting Bradford B.E.S.T. the other day, he wouldn't have got out alive....

As I'm sure many more would agree with you, however I offically can't advocate violent behaviour.

Aunty Capitalist wrote:

Oldwestbowling wrote:

Aunty Capitalist wrote:

NCC.1701A wrote:
Oh, and then being signed up to your own Work Programme - then you can suffer your own making, trust me, where ever you end up - god help you for bringing this down on the unemployed - you will definiately need police protection for the 2 years you are at the course integrating with the people you have sent there.
.
Something to think about Mr Ian Duncan Smith MP.

I wish to God I'd had advanced notice about Chris Grayling visiting Bradford B.E.S.T. the other day, he wouldn't have got out alive....

What? So would you have murdered him then?

Hopefully...and I'm not the only one to express such strong sentiments. People I know are queueing up to kill the Tory b'stards. We need another Guy Fawkes.

wobbley-bob wrote:

Aunty Capitalist wrote:

sam-tyler wrote:

Aunty Capitalist wrote:

sam-tyler wrote:
I wonder if Rolandsmoke will be joining them?...He seems to be a bit of a dosser.
.
Hey, Tent boy..... Keep an eye out for the Good Lads driving their cars across the square. Wouldn't want your scruffy dreads getting caught up in their wheels would we?
.
Erm, that could be quite amusing actually. :)

The level of intelligence of *some* comments on here beggar belief. You lot are the problem. WAKE UP.

Get a job, you lazy scruffy oiks.
I do hope you've all told the DWP you're 'protesting' so they can stop your job seekers & housing benefits.
.
Oh, & be careful what you say, I might just come down to Centenary Square, & threaten you with a bar of soap & a bucket of water!

For God's sake grow up.

A rebel without a clue.... lol,.
Seriously mate, you want to watch the insults. You're a stranger in Bradford.....lawless Bradford at that, not many bobby men set foot in the city centre. You could be making the headlines in other ways if you're not careful. ;)

Oldwestbowling wrote:

cormon wrote:
Amazing isn't it? Three tents go up in Centenary Square and we have the biggest outpouring of political expression since the Poll Tax riots!!
The antagonistic views show just how polarised the public have become. We have -
a) The lemmings - those who can't stand to own up to the obvious fact that they have been consistently ripped off by the uber rich and greedy for the past 30 years. They read the 'Daily Drivel', work hard doing two or three jobs to make ends meet; always pay their taxes, believe democracy still exists; would never ask a serious question if their lives depended on it, believe in Little England and always defer to authority
b) - The atavists. They believe that democracy still works and that all that needs to be done is to have another election and hope that Miliband turns into Miliorchestra and waves a magic wand to restore some sanity
c) - The conventional Left - firmly believe in the principles of Marx. It's now time for the Revolution and we won't get fooled again if we have one.
d) - The Futurists - including the Occupancy Movement, elements of the thinking and informed young, the wise and the cynical. They know the system is structurally flawed. They know we've got 8 trillion poundsworth of debt (7 times more than Italy which is considered to be in financial difficulty); they know the system is unsustainable; they know that politicians are part of the problem, not a solution. They don't know the answers, but they do know that questions need to be asked, and they do know that supporting Greed as humanity's primary value, will guarantee that we don't remain as a species for a fraction of the time that the dinosaurs did.
As most people in the uk fall into category a) I guess that complete social and economic collapse is just round the corner.

I guess I must be one of your lemmings. Your gross over generalisation is an insult BTW. I'm one of the people who works to help to fund your way of life (conveniently not mentioned in your well practised diatribe ). I guess you class yourself as a Futurist? This is the section that has given itself the most compliments, so I assume this is the category that you fall into.

I'd like you to answer a few questions for me, they're not difficult.

Where do you live and what is the source of your income?
What do your parents do for a living?


What is your source of income?

Aunty Capitalist wrote:

wobbley-bob wrote:

Aunty Capitalist wrote:

sam-tyler wrote:

Aunty Capitalist wrote:

sam-tyler wrote:
I wonder if Rolandsmoke will be joining them?...He seems to be a bit of a dosser.
.
Hey, Tent boy..... Keep an eye out for the Good Lads driving their cars across the square. Wouldn't want your scruffy dreads getting caught up in their wheels would we?
.
Erm, that could be quite amusing actually. :)

The level of intelligence of *some* comments on here beggar belief. You lot are the problem. WAKE UP.

Get a job, you lazy scruffy oiks.
I do hope you've all told the DWP you're 'protesting' so they can stop your job seekers & housing benefits.
.
Oh, & be careful what you say, I might just come down to Centenary Square, & threaten you with a bar of soap & a bucket of water!

For God's sake grow up.

A rebel without a clue.... lol,.
Seriously mate, you want to watch the insults. You're a stranger in Bradford.....lawless Bradford at that, not many bobby men set foot in the city centre. You could be making the headlines in other ways if you're not careful. ;)

Is that a threat? and how do you know I'm not from Bradford? Bradford is where it all began, the origins of the Labour/Union movement, and still the site of the most infamous anarchist organization in Europe.

Aunty Capitalist wrote:

Oldwestbowling wrote:

Aunty Capitalist wrote:

NCC.1701A wrote: Oh, and then being signed up to your own Work Programme - then you can suffer your own making, trust me, where ever you end up - god help you for bringing this down on the unemployed - you will definiately need police protection for the 2 years you are at the course integrating with the people you have sent there. . Something to think about Mr Ian Duncan Smith MP.

I wish to God I'd had advanced notice about Chris Grayling visiting Bradford B.E.S.T. the other day, he wouldn't have got out alive....

What? So would you have murdered him then?

Hopefully...and I'm not the only one to express such strong sentiments. People I know are queueing up to kill the Tory b'stards. We need another Guy Fawkes.

E.goldstein wrote:
I've no idea whether any of the protestors have paid jobs or not, but I don't see that makes what they are saying less, or more valid. The idea that you should be in paid employment before expressing your views in public seems curious does it not?

E.goldstein wrote:
I've no idea whether any of the protestors have paid jobs or not, but I don't see that makes what they are saying less, or more valid. The idea that you should be in paid employment before expressing your views in public seems curious does it not?

E.goldstein wrote:
I've no idea whether any of the protestors have paid jobs or not, but I don't see that makes what they are saying less, or more valid. The idea that you should be in paid employment before expressing your views in public seems curious does it not?

wobbley-bob wrote:
Is there an echo round here?
.
You only need to submit your drivel once.

dearymeee wrote:
99% of the protestors will be jobless gobshoights who spend their life protesting over something or other.

Aunty Capitalist wrote:

dearymeee wrote:
99% of the protestors will be jobless gobshoights who spend their life protesting over something or other.

*rolls eyes* don't you have anything valid to say? if not please stfu.

dearymeee wrote:
Yeah I do actually think that if you have been out of work for over 6 months and claiming benefits you shouldn't be allowed to vote. If you don't contribute to society then why should you have a say. What's wrong with being right wing? Look at where you lefties have got Bradford. Blame/claim shops on every corner. Immigrants living off our hard work because anything else breaches their human rights. All going great isn't it.

dearymeee wrote:
Yeah I do actually think that if you have been out of work for over 6 months and claiming benefits you shouldn't be allowed to vote. If you don't contribute to society then why should you have a say. What's wrong with being right wing? Look at where you lefties have got Bradford. Blame/claim shops on every corner. Immigrants living off our hard work because anything else breaches their human rights. All going great isn't it.

dearymeee wrote:
Yeah I do actually think that if you have been out of work for over 6 months and claiming benefits you shouldn't be allowed to vote. If you don't contribute to society then why should you have a say.

What's wrong with being right wing? Look at where you lefties have got Bradford. Blame/claim shops on every corner. Immigrants living off our hard work because anything else breaches their human rights.

All going great isn't it.

Againstcuts wrote:

pcbradford wrote: Most of the 49% payrise is actually from bonuses, why do you all think they get big bonuses, its because they earn alot of money for their respective companies, they're working just like the rest of us, i think if they work hard then they deserve it, and perhaps its time for the rest of us to get more greedy, "Greed is Good"

Just like the Royal Bank of Scotland lost 950 million last year paid out a billion in bonuses! I wonder how much of the 'profits' in the FTSE companies are made from cutting costs, reducing wages, & employing children somewhere in the world. So someone somewhere is paying for these 'profits'. An interesting local fact - nationally unemployment went up 8% last year (September -September) & over 15% in the Bradford district. I wish some of the contributors would try & think a bit beforw making their offensive & often racist comments. A few tents in Bradford might not seem much but it is part of people accross the world saying our current system is unjust & unfair. Everybody should have access to food, water, housing, education & health care. The right to make a contribution for the common good, have political, cultural & religious freedoms respected & get a bit of fun out of life! We have the technology to do this & should concentrate on this rather than wars & making a tiny elite ever richer. Currently for most people, even those in the West in relatively well paid jobs live a precarious existence. Most of us are only a couple of pay checks away from homelessness. So stop hating & join in - we are the 99!

dearymeee wrote:
Yeah I do actually think that if you have been out of work for over 6 months and claiming benefits you shouldn't be allowed to vote. If you don't contribute to society then why should you have a say.

What's wrong with being right wing? Look at where you lefties have got Bradford. Blame/claim shops on every corner. Immigrants living off our hard work because anything else breaches their human rights.

All going great isn't it.

Reality001 wrote:

Mike Strutter wrote:

justjustice wrote:

Mike Strutter wrote: So if they are planning to stay indefinitely then I assume they don't have work on Monday ? Oh silly me, of course they haven't.

Someone just doesnt get what these protests are about do they. Part of the protest is that yes they are unemployed, thanks to the 1% making risky decisions and ruining the country resulting in so many losing their jobs; whilst the government uses the taxes they paid to bail the banks out whilst letting them run under; whilst the same bankers who ruining the country give themselves record breaking bonuses for doing such a bang up job! So ask yourself, are you defending the bankers, or would you rather see people stand up for change?!

Yes I do get it sunshine but please do the honour of answering me one question. Why weren't these protests happening when Labour were busy bankrupting the country and turning a blind eye to the bankers activities ?

So are you really suggesting that the Labour Party investing in more police, better NHS and education caused Lehman Brothers in America to go bankrupt which caused the global banking crisis ????? Did having more ambulances cause Northern Rock to go bust ???? The financial crisis was caused by capitalist greed.

gaffzilla wrote:

SellingEnglandByTheP ound wrote: Another gathering of the great unwashed, hope it poors it down and then drops below zero tonight!

That is a vile comment. What a repellent piece of crap you must be.

NCC.1701A wrote:
Oh and yes, SIZE DOES MATTER!

Aunty Capitalist wrote:
The Tories represent the greatest threat to our existence since WW2. The line has been drawn. They have declared war. It's us or them.

Reality001 wrote:

Mike Strutter wrote:

Aunty Capitalist wrote:

Mike Strutter wrote:

justjustice wrote:

Mike Strutter wrote:
So if they are planning to stay indefinitely then I assume they don't have work on Monday ?

Oh silly me, of course they haven't.

Someone just doesnt get what these protests are about do they.

Part of the protest is that yes they are unemployed, thanks to the 1% making risky decisions and ruining the country resulting in so many losing their jobs; whilst the government uses the taxes they paid to bail the banks out whilst letting them run under; whilst the same bankers who ruining the country give themselves record breaking bonuses for doing such a bang up job!

So ask yourself, are you defending the bankers, or would you rather see people stand up for change?!

Yes I do get it sunshine but please do the honour of answering me one question.

Why weren't these protests happening when Labour were busy bankrupting the country and turning a blind eye to the bankers activities ?

erm..I don't think Labour were "bankrupting the country", don't know where you get that one from!

YOU WHAT ??????????

Please tell me you are pulling my leg ?

So are you really suggesting that the Labour Party investing in more police, better NHS and education caused Lehman Brothers in America to go bankrupt which caused the global banking crisis ?????

Did having more ambulances cause Northern Rock to go bust ????

Againstcuts wrote:

BD16 wrote:

Againstcuts wrote:

pcbradford wrote: Most of the 49% payrise is actually from bonuses, why do you all think they get big bonuses, its because they earn alot of money for their respective companies, they're working just like the rest of us, i think if they work hard then they deserve it, and perhaps its time for the rest of us to get more greedy, "Greed is Good"

Just like the Royal Bank of Scotland lost 950 million last year paid out a billion in bonuses! I wonder how much of the 'profits' in the FTSE companies are made from cutting costs, reducing wages, & employing children somewhere in the world. So someone somewhere is paying for these 'profits'. An interesting local fact - nationally unemployment went up 8% last year (September -September) & over 15% in the Bradford district. I wish some of the contributors would try & think a bit beforw making their offensive & often racist comments. A few tents in Bradford might not seem much but it is part of people accross the world saying our current system is unjust & unfair. Everybody should have access to food, water, housing, education & health care. The right to make a contribution for the common good, have political, cultural & religious freedoms respected & get a bit of fun out of life! We have the technology to do this & should concentrate on this rather than wars & making a tiny elite ever richer. Currently for most people, even those in the West in relatively well paid jobs live a precarious existence. Most of us are only a couple of pay checks away from homelessness. So stop hating & join in - we are the 99!

No you are not the 99. It looks like you are the 10 if the picture at the top of the page is correct.

'No you are not the 99. It looks like you are the 10 if the picture at the top of the page is correct'

Sorry BD16 but the 99% doesn't refer to people supporting the worldwide anti-capitalist protests, although many, many people do byt the fact that globally 99% of people are being done over by the richest 1%. I doubt if any of the contributors to this debate are in the richest 1% you're all just dancing to their tune. Wake up folks!!

E.goldstein wrote:

dearymeee wrote: Yeah I do actually think that if you have been out of work for over 6 months and claiming benefits you shouldn't be allowed to vote. If you don't contribute to society then why should you have a say. What's wrong with being right wing? Look at where you lefties have got Bradford. Blame/claim shops on every corner. Immigrants living off our hard work because anything else breaches their human rights. All going great isn't it.

That argument assumes that by not being in paid work you aren't contributing to society. I have 2 neighbours who've been on benefits and not lifted a finger for over 10 years. Yet they are still contributing to there own existence by growing food on an allotment, one does voluntary work in a charity shop, and they pay their taxes every time they hand over money in a shop in the form of VAT. They just happen to be called pensioners. I'm not saying there's anything wrong with being "right wing" as you put it; part of the current mess we are in may be down to Socialism having ridden to the rescue of Capitalism in the form of bank bailouts. Had the Govt allowed the held their nerve and allowed the banks to go under then would things be worse now? As for blaming immigrants I think that is a little tired. If any finger can be pointed in that general direction surely it should be at the emigrants who have been born in this country, cared for, educated, and protected at taxpayers' expense.....and who then leave to live in the likes of Spain and Australia. But hey that's economic migrancy and probably a subject for another day!

Yorkshire Lass wrote:
sounds to me like you are jealous. Would you like to be part of your so called estimation of 1%. Me thinks so. So go back to sleep as a lot of us are quite content with our lot. People like you do not speak for the majority of this city, so go home and get a life in the real world. Bye.

SellingEnglandByTheP
ound wrote:

Aunty Capitalist wrote:

dearymeee wrote:
99% of the protestors will be jobless gobshoights who spend their life protesting over something or other.

*rolls eyes* don't you have anything valid to say? if not please stfu.

You still have yet to answer mine or Eastwestbowling's questions, and this is because you cant without embarressing yourself and proving to the rest of us what you are! You see Aunty "Landless Peasant" Capitalist, all you are or ever have been is a lost little soul with ideals still set in the 14th century. You openly blame others for your situation, and blame others for not digging yourself out of that situation. I am sick and tired of low life little worms like youself thinking that you have the right to a free lunch, thinking that everything must be handed to you on a silver platter whilst you wollow in the filth that you have put yourself in. You enjoy where you are, because it gives you purpose, it's the only reason why you exist. You blame me for the capitalist crisis, why, without people like me it would be a **** site worse, and a **** site worse for you! You said in an earlier post that you weren't actually at Centenery Square and that you were at home, some protester you are, cant be a***d I take it. No, much easier,safer, and warmer to protest over the internet, that "OTHERS" pay for, heating the home you reside in, that "OTHERS" pay for, eating the food, that "OTHERS" pay for. Understand one thing, when "WE" stop paying, you stop existing. No more hand outs, no more free lunch! I have said before, you will never change anything by protesting in this way, all you do is belittle the very reason why you are protesting. Do you think those idiots who dressed as Batman and scaled the walls of The Houses Of Parliament in the name of "Fathers For Justice" actually changed the face of this country's child custody system, or did they just prove the fact that the Mothers were right in the first place! You want to grow some b***s and protest to the manner that this massive situation deserves, then i'll be happy to stand side by side with you, but until then, YOU shut the **** up and crawl back under your stone!

dearymeee wrote:
Yeah I do actually think that if you have been out of work for over 6 months and claiming benefits you shouldn't be allowed to vote. If you don't contribute to society then why should you have a say.

What's wrong with being right wing? Look at where you lefties have got Bradford. Blame/claim shops on every corner. Immigrants living off our hard work because anything else breaches their human rights.

All going great isn't it.

dearymeee wrote:
Yeah I do actually think that if you have been out of work for over 6 months and claiming benefits you shouldn't be allowed to vote. If you don't contribute to society then why should you have a say.

What's wrong with being right wing? Look at where you lefties have got Bradford. Blame/claim shops on every corner. Immigrants living off our hard work because anything else breaches their human rights.

All going great isn't it.

Aunty Capitalist wrote:

Yorkshire Lass wrote:
sounds to me like you are jealous. Would you like to be part of your so called estimation of 1%. Me thinks so. So go back to sleep as a lot of us are quite content with our lot. People like you do not speak for the majority of this city, so go home and get a life in the real world. Bye.

It's alright, don't worry your little head, go back to sleep, X-Factor is on television, your government is in control, move along....

E.goldstein wrote:
Dear BD16, I hadn't intended my comments as a defense of Gordon Brown or his ilk; my point is that the state intervening to support the mistakes of any business, be they banks or car factories, (and using taxes collected coercively to do so) is state socialism by any other name. A large part of the existing deficit is due to repayments of the interest on the monies borrowed to support the banks. I would argue that when a person makes a decision in life that they know to be risky, eg gambling, then they should be free to make that decision so long as they are fully exposed to the consequences. The message sent out by the Govt was one of , don't worry if you've made enormous mistakes, the taxpayer will bail you out so that you can carry on as before. Regarding immigrants and their conduct; one cannot help but notice the number of eastern Europeans, Asian, African, and antipodean people doing minimum wage jobs around the country. London's economy would sieze up otherwise. What personal qualities do they possess that the idigenous population perhaps lack? If a person behaves like knuckle dragging trash then it matters not whether they are an Asian Muslim who has lived here for a week, or a white and supposedly" English" person whose ancestry can be traced 500 years. If someone is going to be part of the solution then I would want more such people to be living here irrespective of their place of birth.

BD16 wrote:

E.goldstein wrote:
Dear BD16, I hadn't intended my comments as a defense of Gordon Brown or his ilk; my point is that the state intervening to support the mistakes of any business, be they banks or car factories, (and using taxes collected coercively to do so) is state socialism by any other name. A large part of the existing deficit is due to repayments of the interest on the monies borrowed to support the banks. I would argue that when a person makes a decision in life that they know to be risky, eg gambling, then they should be free to make that decision so long as they are fully exposed to the consequences. The message sent out by the Govt was one of , don't worry if you've made enormous mistakes, the taxpayer will bail you out so that you can carry on as before. Regarding immigrants and their conduct; one cannot help but notice the number of eastern Europeans, Asian, African, and antipodean people doing minimum wage jobs around the country. London's economy would sieze up otherwise. What personal qualities do they possess that the idigenous population perhaps lack? If a person behaves like knuckle dragging trash then it matters not whether they are an Asian Muslim who has lived here for a week, or a white and supposedly" English" person whose ancestry can be traced 500 years. If someone is going to be part of the solution then I would want more such people to be living here irrespective of their place of birth.

Sadly, it seems the banks were allowed to become "too big to fail" I don't know enough about economics to argue whether this was genuinely true but enough people who do seemed to think so, so I go along with them. For the future I think we need far stronger regulation so that this doesn't happen again. The thing to remember about the banks that did fail is that it was the ordinary workers who suffered. The multi million £ bonus earners were long gone. If you read the views of many expressed on here they vary from the extreme right to the extreme left. Economically, the sensible way forward is probably somewhere between the two.

Yorkshire Lass wrote:

Aunty Capitalist wrote:

Yorkshire Lass wrote:
sounds to me like you are jealous. Would you like to be part of your so called estimation of 1%. Me thinks so. So go back to sleep as a lot of us are quite content with our lot. People like you do not speak for the majority of this city, so go home and get a life in the real world. Bye.

It's alright, don't worry your little head, go back to sleep, X-Factor is on television, your government is in control, move along....

you really are brain washed. But there again maybe you are not old enough to understand politics unless someone is pulling your strings. As for X Factor - what is that?>

Aunty Capitalist wrote:

BD16 wrote:

E.goldstein wrote: Dear BD16, I hadn't intended my comments as a defense of Gordon Brown or his ilk; my point is that the state intervening to support the mistakes of any business, be they banks or car factories, (and using taxes collected coercively to do so) is state socialism by any other name. A large part of the existing deficit is due to repayments of the interest on the monies borrowed to support the banks. I would argue that when a person makes a decision in life that they know to be risky, eg gambling, then they should be free to make that decision so long as they are fully exposed to the consequences. The message sent out by the Govt was one of , don't worry if you've made enormous mistakes, the taxpayer will bail you out so that you can carry on as before. Regarding immigrants and their conduct; one cannot help but notice the number of eastern Europeans, Asian, African, and antipodean people doing minimum wage jobs around the country. London's economy would sieze up otherwise. What personal qualities do they possess that the idigenous population perhaps lack? If a person behaves like knuckle dragging trash then it matters not whether they are an Asian Muslim who has lived here for a week, or a white and supposedly" English" person whose ancestry can be traced 500 years. If someone is going to be part of the solution then I would want more such people to be living here irrespective of their place of birth.

Sadly, it seems the banks were allowed to become "too big to fail" I don't know enough about economics to argue whether this was genuinely true but enough people who do seemed to think so, so I go along with them. For the future I think we need far stronger regulation so that this doesn't happen again. The thing to remember about the banks that did fail is that it was the ordinary workers who suffered. The multi million £ bonus earners were long gone. If you read the views of many expressed on here they vary from the extreme right to the extreme left. Economically, the sensible way forward is probably somewhere between the two.

It is Capitalism itself that has failed. Bailing out the banks is like trying to give crutches to a man with no legs.

Aunty Capitalist wrote:

SellingEnglandByTheP

ound wrote:

Aunty Capitalist wrote:

dearymeee wrote:
99% of the protestors will be jobless gobshoights who spend their life protesting over something or other.

*rolls eyes* don't you have anything valid to say? if not please stfu.

You still have yet to answer mine or Eastwestbowling's questions, and this is because you cant without embarressing yourself and proving to the rest of us what you are! You see Aunty "Landless Peasant" Capitalist, all you are or ever have been is a lost little soul with ideals still set in the 14th century. You openly blame others for your situation, and blame others for not digging yourself out of that situation. I am sick and tired of low life little worms like youself thinking that you have the right to a free lunch, thinking that everything must be handed to you on a silver platter whilst you wollow in the filth that you have put yourself in. You enjoy where you are, because it gives you purpose, it's the only reason why you exist. You blame me for the capitalist crisis, why, without people like me it would be a **** site worse, and a **** site worse for you! You said in an earlier post that you weren't actually at Centenery Square and that you were at home, some protester you are, cant be a***d I take it. No, much easier,safer, and warmer to protest over the internet, that "OTHERS" pay for, heating the home you reside in, that "OTHERS" pay for, eating the food, that "OTHERS" pay for. Understand one thing, when "WE" stop paying, you stop existing. No more hand outs, no more free lunch! I have said before, you will never change anything by protesting in this way, all you do is belittle the very reason why you are protesting. Do you think those idiots who dressed as Batman and scaled the walls of The Houses Of Parliament in the name of "Fathers For Justice" actually changed the face of this country's child custody system, or did they just prove the fact that the Mothers were right in the first place! You want to grow some b***s and protest to the manner that this massive situation deserves, then i'll be happy to stand side by side with you, but until then, YOU shut the **** up and crawl back under your stone!

Yawn...

The Straight talker wrote:
Looks like there intent on staying

Andy2010 wrote:

The Straight talker wrote:
Looks like there intent on staying

Hope they all freeze to death...lessers the tax payers burden at least....workshy lazy t*ssers

E.goldstein wrote:

Andy2010 wrote:

The Straight talker wrote:
Looks like there intent on staying

Hope they all freeze to death...lessers the tax payers burden at least....workshy lazy t*ssers

I am struck by the levels of antipathy and bitterness on here from some of the correspondents; so out of interest, would you like the protestors to die because you oppose their cause and opinions, or would you still feel that way irrespective of what they were protesting about? It's a genuine question.

dearymeee wrote:
And John C above is absolutely right, if we're getting onto liberals and their open door policy. They protest and defend the most oppressive, extreme, violent and disgusting religion on the planet. How can you be so liberal as to tolerate a people who's belief is that you should convert to their way of life or be killed?!

Madness

Aunty Capitalist wrote:

Yorkshire Lass wrote:

Aunty Capitalist wrote:

Yorkshire Lass wrote:
sounds to me like you are jealous. Would you like to be part of your so called estimation of 1%. Me thinks so. So go back to sleep as a lot of us are quite content with our lot. People like you do not speak for the majority of this city, so go home and get a life in the real world. Bye.

It's alright, don't worry your little head, go back to sleep, X-Factor is on television, your government is in control, move along....

you really are brain washed. But there again maybe you are not old enough to understand politics unless someone is pulling your strings. As for X Factor - what is that?>

Me brainwashed? LOL Persist in your delusions if you must. And I am probably a lot older than you think. I understand that Politics is a game, that modern western democracy is a sham, that the Hegelian Dialectic (Thesis Vs. Anti-thesis produces Synthesis) has been in play since the announcement of the Fama Fraternitatis, and that Democracy is merely a stop-gap until such a time when people are truly capable of governing themselves, at which point Utopia will have been established. David Cameron knows what I mean (oh yes, he knows alright, the first thing he did upon gaining power was to throw a garden party for the Freemasons). I know that the circle is being squared, and the Pyramid constructed. I don't expect you to understand any of that btw.

Andy2010 wrote:

The Straight talker wrote:
Looks like there intent on staying

Hope they all freeze to death...lessers the tax payers burden at least....workshy lazy t*ssers

RollandSmoke wrote:
The cap doffers on here are amusing. "Don't rock the boat, you'll make master angry". Sorry folks but your master is taking the p1ss out of you. When the companys outsourced work or downsized their workforce due to the shiny new equipment that they paid for through government tax breaks, they knew **** well that the tax bill for the unemployment they created was coming to you. They knew that people would get annoyed so they filled the media with storys of benefit cheats and bogus asylum seekers to deflect that anger from them. When the banks failed and were bailed out, no-one questioned why, due to most of them being based in the "city" of London, they had been tax exempt for years and had been paying next to nothing. But no, all our ills are the fault of the unemployed who should go out and get a minimum wage or part time job so as the taxpayer can subsidise their wages and master can make a nice profit. I think there's a bit of Stockholm syndrome going on with the right wing drones. We don't have a choice of politicians anymore, all we have is different shades of Zionists and they are too busy keeping their paymasters happy to give a monkeys about you whether you doff your cap to them or stick your fingers up at them. It doesn't have to be this way and kudos to the occupiers worldwide that are making a stand.

Patrick Bateman wrote:
Wehay! Rolly's back!!

Aunty Capitalist wrote:

Andy2010 wrote:

The Straight talker wrote:
Looks like there intent on staying

Hope they all freeze to death...lessers the tax payers burden at least....workshy lazy t*ssers

But you obviously don't mind the fact that Billionaires like Lord Ashcroft get away with paying NO tax? Or that we are all being screwed by the privately owned power companies who make extortionate profits out of providing an essential basic service? or that the Bankers STILL get their million pound bonuses for doing zilch? idiot.

Andy2010 wrote:

Aunty Capitalist wrote:

Andy2010 wrote:

The Straight talker wrote:
Looks like there intent on staying

Hope they all freeze to death...lessers the tax payers burden at least....workshy lazy t*ssers

But you obviously don't mind the fact that Billionaires like Lord Ashcroft get away with paying NO tax? Or that we are all being screwed by the privately owned power companies who make extortionate profits out of providing an essential basic service? or that the Bankers STILL get their million pound bonuses for doing zilch? idiot.

Short answer no....

Anyone...yes anyone can study and work hard to make a success of their lives and make money...lots of it. Power companies make profit for their shareholders which you are entitled to become..anyone is. Bankers earn billions for the companies they they work for and as anyone who earns money from effectively commission driven profit why shouldnt they earn a lot if they contributed to their employers bottom line not to mention the huge amount of tax they paid back on any of these bonuses. In turn these bank pay billions on profits in tax back to the ecomony. Even if the Government has bailed some of these out they will make vastly more back in taxation. Your and these stupid protestors never stop to consider the bigger picture ever.

These protestors and the others around the globe have every oppurtunity to make something of their lives but choose instead to moan about what is given to them. You know what if you dont like it then move to another country where everything is all fair and lovely....thought not because that place doesnt exist.

People on here moaning about bonuses make me laugh as if for example your company you worked for announced for example a profit share scheme you are all telling me you would turn round and refuse it...of course you wouldnt

The only way this country is going to get back on its feet is by everyone working hard and striving to make something better for themselves and their families. Will it be easy..of course not but rather than pointless protests that will achieve absolutely nothing or rioting just get on with it.

We will love in a democracy and if you dont like it then vote accordingly or why not either stand for election yourselves if you disagree with what all the parties offer.

pe@ce1st wrote:
Thank you for being there in solidarity with the occupy protests all over the world! Go Bradford!

Aunty Capitalist wrote:

RollandSmoke wrote: The cap doffers on here are amusing. "Don't rock the boat, you'll make master angry". Sorry folks but your master is taking the p1ss out of you. When the companys outsourced work or downsized their workforce due to the shiny new equipment that they paid for through government tax breaks, they knew **** well that the tax bill for the unemployment they created was coming to you. They knew that people would get annoyed so they filled the media with storys of benefit cheats and bogus asylum seekers to deflect that anger from them. When the banks failed and were bailed out, no-one questioned why, due to most of them being based in the "city" of London, they had been tax exempt for years and had been paying next to nothing. But no, all our ills are the fault of the unemployed who should go out and get a minimum wage or part time job so as the taxpayer can subsidise their wages and master can make a nice profit. I think there's a bit of Stockholm syndrome going on with the right wing drones. We don't have a choice of politicians anymore, all we have is different shades of Zionists and they are too busy keeping their paymasters happy to give a monkeys about you whether you doff your cap to them or stick your fingers up at them. It doesn't have to be this way and kudos to the occupiers worldwide that are making a stand.

WELL SAID. AT LAST SOMEONE WHO UNDERSTANDS (unlike the rest of the brain-dead Tory **** on this thread).

SellingEnglandByTheP
ound wrote:

gaffzilla wrote:

SellingEnglandByTheP


ound wrote:
Another gathering of the great unwashed, hope it poors it down and then drops below zero tonight!

That is a vile comment. What a repellent piece of crap you must be.

Why?

RollandSmoke wrote:
Andy2010 you obviously didn't see my post where I explained that all the banks based in the "City" of London don't pay taxes as the "City" is an independant soverign state, just like the Vatican and the District of Columbia in America. they are exempt from UK taxes. As regards the power companys we all were share holders until Maggie sold them all off. Share holders nowardays hold them shares for on average 10 minuites so how is their input productive to the long term success of the companys? The banks arn't lending money to small businesses any more and even if they did it only takes an Asda or Tescos in a small town to drive a great number of those businesses to the wall. The corruption is rife in this country and all some people can say is "this is just the way it is" or "If you don't like the way the public is getting screwed here we should leave so you can get screwed in peace". I'm glad your enjoying it but your promiscuity is spreading a desease throughout society and if not treated it will cause greater suffering for everyone down the line

Aunty Capitalist wrote:

Andy2010 wrote:

Aunty Capitalist wrote:

Andy2010 wrote:

The Straight talker wrote:
Looks like there intent on staying

Hope they all freeze to death...lessers the tax payers burden at least....workshy lazy t*ssers

But you obviously don't mind the fact that Billionaires like Lord Ashcroft get away with paying NO tax? Or that we are all being screwed by the privately owned power companies who make extortionate profits out of providing an essential basic service? or that the Bankers STILL get their million pound bonuses for doing zilch? idiot.

Short answer no....

Anyone...yes anyone can study and work hard to make a success of their lives and make money...lots of it. Power companies make profit for their shareholders which you are entitled to become..anyone is. Bankers earn billions for the companies they they work for and as anyone who earns money from effectively commission driven profit why shouldnt they earn a lot if they contributed to their employers bottom line not to mention the huge amount of tax they paid back on any of these bonuses. In turn these bank pay billions on profits in tax back to the ecomony. Even if the Government has bailed some of these out they will make vastly more back in taxation. Your and these stupid protestors never stop to consider the bigger picture ever.

These protestors and the others around the globe have every oppurtunity to make something of their lives but choose instead to moan about what is given to them. You know what if you dont like it then move to another country where everything is all fair and lovely....thought not because that place doesnt exist.

People on here moaning about bonuses make me laugh as if for example your company you worked for announced for example a profit share scheme you are all telling me you would turn round and refuse it...of course you wouldnt

The only way this country is going to get back on its feet is by everyone working hard and striving to make something better for themselves and their families. Will it be easy..of course not but rather than pointless protests that will achieve absolutely nothing or rioting just get on with it.

We will love in a democracy and if you dont like it then vote accordingly or why not either stand for election yourselves if you disagree with what all the parties offer.

It's you who doesn't stop to appreciate the bigger picture. You are completely asleep. Your head is in the sand. You will work all your life (if you're lucky) and still die in debt. The rich get richer and the poor get poorer. The country is NOT skint, it is a lie. The rich have taken all the wealth for themselves and you have believed their B.S. You are an idiot.

Casual Hero wrote:
"I'm alright Jack" works OK until it's your turn to lose your job !
To not back this protest is an Ostrich approach to things, the Banks have invented wealth through lending and interest charges which is not underwritten by anything! Only by relending this ficticious wealth does it continue to exist, and this is YOUR pension funds. When you all realise that they have run off with your Pension, you may decide to join with these very wise people who are just a bit ahead of you with their facts.

I am 100% behind these protestors - they are fighting for the future disenfranchised generation who at present cannot even dream of a full lifes employment, or owning a home or affording a family of their own.
Nuff Said.

Thee Voice of Reason wrote:
Why are the tories getting all the blame when Labour didn't do anything about tax evasion in 14 years of being in power?

Andy2010 wrote:

Casual Hero wrote:
"I'm alright Jack" works OK until it's your turn to lose your job !
To not back this protest is an Ostrich approach to things, the Banks have invented wealth through lending and interest charges which is not underwritten by anything! Only by relending this ficticious wealth does it continue to exist, and this is YOUR pension funds. When you all realise that they have run off with your Pension, you may decide to join with these very wise people who are just a bit ahead of you with their facts.

I am 100% behind these protestors - they are fighting for the future disenfranchised generation who at present cannot even dream of a full lifes employment, or owning a home or affording a family of their own.
Nuff Said.

Well for the record i did actually lose a well paid job a couple of years ago and after taking any job including security and cleaning to make ends meet after a couple of years of trying and about 50 interviews I finally got back to the level I was at so yes I do understand its tough but to blame anyone other than yourself and wallow in self pity is counter productive and achieves nothing.

As for the protestors get behind them all you want...they will achieve nothing..absolutely zilch and would be better of spending their time bettering themselves instead of this timewasting.

As for the youth not being able to achieve anything...what the hell are you on about ? With hard work, study and managing their own finances they can afford everything everyone else can.....but as the riots earlier this year have shown they would much rather have it handed to them all on a plate and think the world owes them a living....well as one taxpayer that has never claimed anything in my life I'm sick of supporting this element of society

Aunty Capitalist wrote:

Andy2010 wrote:

Casual Hero wrote:
"I'm alright Jack" works OK until it's your turn to lose your job !
To not back this protest is an Ostrich approach to things, the Banks have invented wealth through lending and interest charges which is not underwritten by anything! Only by relending this ficticious wealth does it continue to exist, and this is YOUR pension funds. When you all realise that they have run off with your Pension, you may decide to join with these very wise people who are just a bit ahead of you with their facts.

I am 100% behind these protestors - they are fighting for the future disenfranchised generation who at present cannot even dream of a full lifes employment, or owning a home or affording a family of their own.
Nuff Said.

Well for the record i did actually lose a well paid job a couple of years ago and after taking any job including security and cleaning to make ends meet after a couple of years of trying and about 50 interviews I finally got back to the level I was at so yes I do understand its tough but to blame anyone other than yourself and wallow in self pity is counter productive and achieves nothing.

As for the protestors get behind them all you want...they will achieve nothing..absolutely zilch and would be better of spending their time bettering themselves instead of this timewasting.

As for the youth not being able to achieve anything...what the hell are you on about ? With hard work, study and managing their own finances they can afford everything everyone else can.....but as the riots earlier this year have shown they would much rather have it handed to them all on a plate and think the world owes them a living....well as one taxpayer that has never claimed anything in my life I'm sick of supporting this element of society

The riots were inevitable, I saw it coming and had predicted it a year in advance. What's more, that was just the tip of the iceberg, there will undoubtedly be more riots, perhaps even civil war. We are about to witness the total breakdown of society. There will be tens of millions out of work, many millions made homeless, and complete lawlessness will ensue.

Aunty Capitalist wrote:

SellingEnglandByTheP ound wrote: Another gathering of the great unwashed, hope it poors it down and then drops below zero tonight!

Your attitude stinks mate. People like you disgust me. You are what's wrong with this country. We should all support those brave souls who take it upon themselves to protest on YOUR behalf, you cretin. The company directors give themselves a 50% pay rise whilst everyone else has their pay frozen or cut, or have lost their jobs. Capitalism is based upon pure greed and it must now stop. The bankers still get their millions of££ bonuses, while others have to decide whether to buy food or warmth. Workers are treeted like sh1te and expected to work for minimum wage until they drop. Enough is enough. Stand up for what you believe in, stand up for your rights, take back what belongs to you, ie. ENGLAND.

cormon wrote:
Amazing isn't it? Three tents go up in Centenary Square and we have the biggest outpouring of political expression since the Poll Tax riots!!
The antagonistic views show just how polarised the public have become. We have -
a) The lemmings - those who can't stand to own up to the obvious fact that they have been consistently ripped off by the uber rich and greedy for the past 30 years. They read the 'Daily Drivel', work hard doing two or three jobs to make ends meet; always pay their taxes, believe democracy still exists; would never ask a serious question if their lives depended on it, believe in Little England and always defer to authority
b) - The atavists. They believe that democracy still works and that all that needs to be done is to have another election and hope that Miliband turns into Miliorchestra and waves a magic wand to restore some sanity
c) - The conventional Left - firmly believe in the principles of Marx. It's now time for the Revolution and we won't get fooled again if we have one.
d) - The Futurists - including the Occupancy Movement, elements of the thinking and informed young, the wise and the cynical. They know the system is structurally flawed. They know we've got 8 trillion poundsworth of debt (7 times more than Italy which is considered to be in financial difficulty); they know the system is unsustainable; they know that politicians are part of the problem, not a solution. They don't know the answers, but they do know that questions need to be asked, and they do know that supporting Greed as humanity's primary value, will guarantee that we don't remain as a species for a fraction of the time that the dinosaurs did.
As most people in the uk fall into category a) I guess that complete social and economic collapse is just round the corner.

RollandSmoke wrote:
I was just about to set off into Bradford to attend the event advertised on facebook for 6:30pm. Luckly I checked facebook and found out that 2 hours ago they changed the time of the event to the 6th of January. Why? Are protesters going to camp out for over two months before trying to get the momentum going? I should imagine that in two months time the whole movement will have either have made their point or been crushed by the powers that be. There are another 66 people supposed to be attending this event and if they don't get the message that it's been postponed will be annoyed by the wasted trip. This does nothing for the credibility of the occupy Bradford protesters.

cockadoodledo wrote:
Time they were moved off now, these are not looking for work! Happy to take the benefits and do nothing in return. Just heard artic weather is heading our way from America.What a shame!!!!!Ha Ha Ha.

ra-ra wrote:
Mr Smoke these people are not making an effort to save me tax and my pension. Because nothing will become of this protest., all that will happen is the tax payer will have to foot the bill to clean up the mess left behind when you have gone back to your council flat payed by the tax payer.

Oldwestbowling wrote:
Right..I've read through this thread and there's a couple of question nobody's asked yet, or at least had a reasonable reply to. What is the ultimate aim of the protesters and if they achieve it, what do they propose to do then? It doesn't need a cut n paste job or another condescending response, just answer the question.

Oldwestbowling wrote:
Right..I've read through this thread and there's a couple of question nobody's asked yet, or at least had a reasonable reply to.

What is the ultimate aim of the protesters and if they achieve it, what do they propose to do then?

It doesn't need a cut n paste job or another condescending response, just answer the question.

Oldwestbowling wrote:
Thanks Rolly and I do agree with the points you've made about the major companies who are evading tax. However, I'm still at a loss to understand what the protesters eventually want their ultimate outcome to be. Do they want to overthrow the government (hinted at by Aunty) and if so, what then? Someone has to govern whether we like it or not. I'll be honest with you, if the comments of the pro- protestors on here, and I realise they're a mere handful, are indicative of the main, then I'll pass, ta very much. They can't answer a straight question and are dismissive of most posters concerns and have been condescending and rude at times. Remind you of anybody? Politicians, perhaps?

Andy2010 wrote:

Casual Hero wrote: "I'm alright Jack" works OK until it's your turn to lose your job ! To not back this protest is an Ostrich approach to things, the Banks have invented wealth through lending and interest charges which is not underwritten by anything! Only by relending this ficticious wealth does it continue to exist, and this is YOUR pension funds. When you all realise that they have run off with your Pension, you may decide to join with these very wise people who are just a bit ahead of you with their facts. I am 100% behind these protestors - they are fighting for the future disenfranchised generation who at present cannot even dream of a full lifes employment, or owning a home or affording a family of their own. Nuff Said.

Well for the record i did actually lose a well paid job a couple of years ago and after taking any job including security and cleaning to make ends meet after a couple of years of trying and about 50 interviews I finally got back to the level I was at so yes I do understand its tough but to blame anyone other than yourself and wallow in self pity is counter productive and achieves nothing. As for the protestors get behind them all you want...they will achieve nothing..absolutely zilch and would be better of spending their time bettering themselves instead of this timewasting. As for the youth not being able to achieve anything...what the hell are you on about ? With hard work, study and managing their own finances they can afford everything everyone else can.....but as the riots earlier this year have shown they would much rather have it handed to them all on a plate and think the world owes them a living....well as one taxpayer that has never claimed anything in my life I'm sick of supporting this element of society

greedyb4nkers wrote:
too many people getting too much money for doing too little. peolpe can not always afford the time or money to re train or re locate. the system is designed to keep the less well off people down , look at the current univercity cost ! protesting like this will do no good at all, the only way is to find a protest which will hit these people where it hurts most - in their pock£ets !

Aunty Capitalist wrote:

SellingEnglandByTheP

ound wrote:

sam-tyler wrote:
They'll be lucky if they last a week, without having their tents & possessions nicked. Will they stay around when the fountains are being tested I wonder? ;-)

No, what will happen is there will be a police presence, probably of some considerable size, protecting them, their possessions and the site they're on, which the bill for WONT be paid by this lot, but people like me! You see, that's what we all need, MORE EXPENDITURE!!!

"people like me" blah blah, boo hoo. You really are a selfish tw@t aren't you?

cormon wrote:
Excellent heartening blog for the most part. For all - if you haven't read George Monbiot's article on line in the Guardian today, it covers all the queries and questions from those who are interested in the debate. It demonstrates clearly how the City of London has historically undermined the democratic process in the uk.
It also includes references to a book by Shanxson that illuminates the practices of the corporate capitalists - for instance there are 16 trillion dollars stashed away in off shore accounts. There is no reason for austerity measures anywhere if governments had the bottle to tackle this issue by introducing fair taxes.
This is the main thrust of the protesters - a complete overhaul of the economic and political system to end years and years of the economics and politics of greed.
That's not to say that all occupancy protesters merely want to restore a democracy that operates in the interest of the majority; some are of the view that the system is past redemption and alternatives need to be created. But, the thrust of the first charter (explained earlier) is for democratisation of the City of London and a firm end put to its interference in the politics of the realm.

cormon wrote:
Excellent heartening blog for the most part. For all - if you haven't read George Monbiot's article on line in the Guardian today, it covers all the queries and questions from those who are interested in the debate. It demonstrates clearly how the City of London has historically undermined the democratic process in the uk.
It also includes references to a book by Shanxson that illuminates the practices of the corporate capitalists - for instance there are 16 trillion dollars stashed away in off shore accounts. There is no reason for austerity measures anywhere if governments had the bottle to tackle this issue by introducing fair taxes.
This is the main thrust of the protesters - a complete overhaul of the economic and political system to end years and years of the economics and politics of greed.
That's not to say that all occupancy protesters merely want to restore a democracy that operates in the interest of the majority; some are of the view that the system is past redemption and alternatives need to be created. But, the thrust of the first charter (explained earlier) is for democratisation of the City of London and a firm end put to its interference in the politics of the realm.

Casual Hero wrote:

cormon wrote:
Excellent heartening blog for the most part. For all - if you haven't read George Monbiot's article on line in the Guardian today, it covers all the queries and questions from those who are interested in the debate. It demonstrates clearly how the City of London has historically undermined the democratic process in the uk.
It also includes references to a book by Shanxson that illuminates the practices of the corporate capitalists - for instance there are 16 trillion dollars stashed away in off shore accounts. There is no reason for austerity measures anywhere if governments had the bottle to tackle this issue by introducing fair taxes.
This is the main thrust of the protesters - a complete overhaul of the economic and political system to end years and years of the economics and politics of greed.
That's not to say that all occupancy protesters merely want to restore a democracy that operates in the interest of the majority; some are of the view that the system is past redemption and alternatives need to be created. But, the thrust of the first charter (explained earlier) is for democratisation of the City of London and a firm end put to its interference in the politics of the realm.

Well put.
A simple way to look at this problem with the present banking system is this.
If a country is worth say $100 and prints 100 dollar bills and then gives it to the banks, the banks then lend this money, charge interest and turn $100 into $110 - BUT THERE IS ONLY $100 in REAL MONEY !!!! the other $10 has been invented into existence by the bank - who then give the bill for that invented $10 back to the country, so the economy inflates by 10% and your dollar in your pocket only now buys 90cents worth of stuff.
You couldn't make it up.

Steam Pigs wrote:
Some people never learn - End of WW1, Germany, Drexler developed the ideology for Socialism with a strategy focused on anti big business, anti bourgeois and anti capitalism rhetoric, sound familiar to what is happening today? Drexler’s ideology became the National Socialist party of Germany, hence known as the NAZI party lead by Hitler...... Or maybe look at the Marxist model for Socialism, the one adopted by Lenin et all in the 1910’s – what good that did for Eastern Europe and Russia for all those decades....

Some people never learn....... If you want to effect change, get a position on the council or become an MP and beat the system from within

greedyb4nkers wrote:
unfortunately re training does cost money and time, and by time I do not mean weekends and nights Just how does a say a 50yr old re train ? Because in the real world it would be a 50yr old + (52?) then with no experience. 2yrs ago and there was no money then for proper re training just silly 6 week courses ETC. People who do not go through the system are less well off we should look at the reasons why , comes back to too many people for taking too much for too little, we should ALL contact our MP's and point out our views, they are there to represent the people, if they do not, vote them out. No what party you think you are affiliated to, take a close look at your local MP. Only pressure on them can change things and only we can do that

lonniejockstrap wrote:

Casual Hero wrote:

cormon wrote: Excellent heartening blog for the most part. For all - if you haven't read George Monbiot's article on line in the Guardian today, it covers all the queries and questions from those who are interested in the debate. It demonstrates clearly how the City of London has historically undermined the democratic process in the uk. It also includes references to a book by Shanxson that illuminates the practices of the corporate capitalists - for instance there are 16 trillion dollars stashed away in off shore accounts. There is no reason for austerity measures anywhere if governments had the bottle to tackle this issue by introducing fair taxes. This is the main thrust of the protesters - a complete overhaul of the economic and political system to end years and years of the economics and politics of greed. That's not to say that all occupancy protesters merely want to restore a democracy that operates in the interest of the majority; some are of the view that the system is past redemption and alternatives need to be created. But, the thrust of the first charter (explained earlier) is for democratisation of the City of London and a firm end put to its interference in the politics of the realm.

Well put. A simple way to look at this problem with the present banking system is this. If a country is worth say $100 and prints 100 dollar bills and then gives it to the banks, the banks then lend this money, charge interest and turn $100 into $110 - BUT THERE IS ONLY $100 in REAL MONEY !!!! the other $10 has been invented into existence by the bank - who then give the bill for that invented $10 back to the country, so the economy inflates by 10% and your dollar in your pocket only now buys 90cents worth of stuff. You couldn't make it up.

It's much more magical than inventing an extra 10% of money Casual. Due to a system called 'fractional reserve banking' a Bank can invent/create many times more than the ACTUAL money deposited in it's vaults. For example, if your $100 is deposited in Bank A, this Bank can now lend out around 90% of this $100 ie $90. So I come along and borrow that $90 and buy a product with that $90. The shopkeeper I bought that product from deposits that $90 in his Bank and his Bank can now lend out 90% of that $90 ie $81. Somebody borrows $81 buys a product and the seller deposits $81 in her Bank and YES!, you guessed it, the Bank can now lend out 90% of $81 ($72.9). And so on, and so on. This is real magical stuff is it not? In just the 3 examples above (and of course you can keep repeating this fractional reserve lending until infinity almost)we have gone from $100 being deposited in a Bank creating an extra $243! plus of course the interest being charged on top of those loans. Where did this money come from? It isn't even printed physical money it is just numbers typed into a computer!

mrs walker wrote:
You'd have thought that Newsquest could have sorted out the annoying triple-posting problem by now...

YorkshireSteel wrote:

lonniejockstrap wrote:

Casual Hero wrote:

cormon wrote: Excellent heartening blog for the most part. For all - if you haven't read George Monbiot's article on line in the Guardian today, it covers all the queries and questions from those who are interested in the debate. It demonstrates clearly how the City of London has historically undermined the democratic process in the uk. It also includes references to a book by Shanxson that illuminates the practices of the corporate capitalists - for instance there are 16 trillion dollars stashed away in off shore accounts. There is no reason for austerity measures anywhere if governments had the bottle to tackle this issue by introducing fair taxes. This is the main thrust of the protesters - a complete overhaul of the economic and political system to end years and years of the economics and politics of greed. That's not to say that all occupancy protesters merely want to restore a democracy that operates in the interest of the majority; some are of the view that the system is past redemption and alternatives need to be created. But, the thrust of the first charter (explained earlier) is for democratisation of the City of London and a firm end put to its interference in the politics of the realm.

Well put. A simple way to look at this problem with the present banking system is this. If a country is worth say $100 and prints 100 dollar bills and then gives it to the banks, the banks then lend this money, charge interest and turn $100 into $110 - BUT THERE IS ONLY $100 in REAL MONEY !!!! the other $10 has been invented into existence by the bank - who then give the bill for that invented $10 back to the country, so the economy inflates by 10% and your dollar in your pocket only now buys 90cents worth of stuff. You couldn't make it up.

It's much more magical than inventing an extra 10% of money Casual. Due to a system called 'fractional reserve banking' a Bank can invent/create many times more than the ACTUAL money deposited in it's vaults. For example, if your $100 is deposited in Bank A, this Bank can now lend out around 90% of this $100 ie $90. So I come along and borrow that $90 and buy a product with that $90. The shopkeeper I bought that product from deposits that $90 in his Bank and his Bank can now lend out 90% of that $90 ie $81. Somebody borrows $81 buys a product and the seller deposits $81 in her Bank and YES!, you guessed it, the Bank can now lend out 90% of $81 ($72.9). And so on, and so on. This is real magical stuff is it not? In just the 3 examples above (and of course you can keep repeating this fractional reserve lending until infinity almost)we have gone from $100 being deposited in a Bank creating an extra $243! plus of course the interest being charged on top of those loans. Where did this money come from? It isn't even printed physical money it is just numbers typed into a computer!

The money comes from the bank making investments. To make the concept basic the bank takes your money and gives you interest which is the reward given to you as a result of the bank using your capital to make investments and/or lend for a profit. Plus real money is not the way in which most transactions are made these days it being a digital world and all. Every time you use a piece of plastic to pay for something IT'S NOT REAL MONEY. I know putting it in capitals doesn't really prove a point one way or another.

Intersting point raised about fractional reserve banking. Good in theory but potentially dangerous, point in case Northern Rock and the panic withdrawals. Also anyone who's seen "It's a Wonderful Life" would see a great fictional example! A question to raise though is how do you make credit available to the majority for motgages etc without taking an approach such as this.

Pukkap12 wrote:
For those confused about what the worldwide Occupy movement is about; The current system is unsustainable. It is undemocratic and unjust. We need alternatives; this is where we work towards them. We are of all ethnicities, backgrounds, genders, generations, sexualities dis/abilities and faiths. We stand together with occupations all over the world. We refuse to pay for the banks' crisis. We do not accept the cuts as either necessary or inevitable. We demand an end to global tax injustice and our democracy representing corporations instead of the people. We want regulators to be genuinely independent of the industries they regulate. We support the strike on the 30th November and the student action on the 9th November, and actions to defend our health services, welfare, education and employment, and to stop wars and arms dealing. We want structural change towards authentic global equality. The world's resources must go towards caring for people and the planet, not the military, corporate profits or the rich. We stand in solidarity with the global oppressed and we call for an end to the actions of our government and others in causing this oppression. This is what democracy looks like. Come and join us!

Oldwestbowling wrote:
Just out of interest.......have any Bradford MPs visited the site? Was this mentioned at the meeting Rolly?

lonniejockstrap wrote:

YorkshireSteel wrote:

lonniejockstrap wrote:

Casual Hero wrote:

cormon wrote: Excellent heartening blog for the most part. For all - if you haven't read George Monbiot's article on line in the Guardian today, it covers all the queries and questions from those who are interested in the debate. It demonstrates clearly how the City of London has historically undermined the democratic process in the uk. It also includes references to a book by Shanxson that illuminates the practices of the corporate capitalists - for instance there are 16 trillion dollars stashed away in off shore accounts. There is no reason for austerity measures anywhere if governments had the bottle to tackle this issue by introducing fair taxes. This is the main thrust of the protesters - a complete overhaul of the economic and political system to end years and years of the economics and politics of greed. That's not to say that all occupancy protesters merely want to restore a democracy that operates in the interest of the majority; some are of the view that the system is past redemption and alternatives need to be created. But, the thrust of the first charter (explained earlier) is for democratisation of the City of London and a firm end put to its interference in the politics of the realm.

Well put. A simple way to look at this problem with the present banking system is this. If a country is worth say $100 and prints 100 dollar bills and then gives it to the banks, the banks then lend this money, charge interest and turn $100 into $110 - BUT THERE IS ONLY $100 in REAL MONEY !!!! the other $10 has been invented into existence by the bank - who then give the bill for that invented $10 back to the country, so the economy inflates by 10% and your dollar in your pocket only now buys 90cents worth of stuff. You couldn't make it up.

It's much more magical than inventing an extra 10% of money Casual. Due to a system called 'fractional reserve banking' a Bank can invent/create many times more than the ACTUAL money deposited in it's vaults. For example, if your $100 is deposited in Bank A, this Bank can now lend out around 90% of this $100 ie $90. So I come along and borrow that $90 and buy a product with that $90. The shopkeeper I bought that product from deposits that $90 in his Bank and his Bank can now lend out 90% of that $90 ie $81. Somebody borrows $81 buys a product and the seller deposits $81 in her Bank and YES!, you guessed it, the Bank can now lend out 90% of $81 ($72.9). And so on, and so on. This is real magical stuff is it not? In just the 3 examples above (and of course you can keep repeating this fractional reserve lending until infinity almost)we have gone from $100 being deposited in a Bank creating an extra $243! plus of course the interest being charged on top of those loans. Where did this money come from? It isn't even printed physical money it is just numbers typed into a computer!

The money comes from the bank making investments. To make the concept basic the bank takes your money and gives you interest which is the reward given to you as a result of the bank using your capital to make investments and/or lend for a profit. Plus real money is not the way in which most transactions are made these days it being a digital world and all. Every time you use a piece of plastic to pay for something IT'S NOT REAL MONEY. I know putting it in capitals doesn't really prove a point one way or another. Intersting point raised about fractional reserve banking. Good in theory but potentially dangerous, point in case Northern Rock and the panic withdrawals. Also anyone who's seen "It's a Wonderful Life" would see a great fictional example! A question to raise though is how do you make credit available to the majority for motgages etc without taking an approach such as this.

One proposition is for Governments to 'print' their own money -just as Abe Lincoln did with the Greenback. The Government could do this without incurring interest that has to be paid on top back to the Banks. This would lessen the interest debt of the Country and, therefore, the Tax burden on small (and large) businesses as well of course on all employees. We already operate without using Euros as our currency so it wouldn't even amount to a 'dropping out of the Euro' argument being used against this 'solution'. We could build up a manufacturing and industrial economy again and trade those items with other Countries instead of relying on the Financial Market in the 'Corporation of London' being our wealth producing industry? . An 'independent' authority could advise on when to increase money supply etc. But, that would be the equivalent to a war on the money inventing, interest charging, Government controlling, minerals (of each Nation) owning elite. So, 'they' will obviously do their utmost to stop that happening. They are not going to simply hand over power to a 'democratically' run system. They have the power and they are going to keep it by what ever means is necessary. Who IS they?

Patrick Bateman wrote:

mrs walker wrote:
You'd have thought that Newsquest could have sorted out the annoying triple-posting problem by now...

Where have YOU been hiding? Had a little sabbatical after royally throwing your toys out the pram last time you posted? Or maybe you've been preoccupied by moving into your new middle class suburb? Whatever; it's nice to have you back!

RollandSmoke wrote:
It doesn't help that all the tax money raised goes straight to the banks in the "City" which is, and has been for hundreds of years, operating as an off shore tax haven. Then when the government wants to spend on schools, hospitals, welfare ect. the banks then lend the government the money back with a big chunk of interest added. It's said that The City of London is the biggest offshore tax haven in the world. To all the right wingers who ask why Labour didn't regulate the banks whilst in office, it's the same reason as the Conservatives won't be doing anything either, yes they can regulate the highstreet banks but those in the "City" are not under UK Government control as it is an independent soverign state.

YorkshireSteel wrote:

lonniejockstrap wrote:

YorkshireSteel wrote:

lonniejockstrap wrote:

Casual Hero wrote:

cormon wrote: Excellent heartening blog for the most part. For all - if you haven't read George Monbiot's article on line in the Guardian today, it covers all the queries and questions from those who are interested in the debate. It demonstrates clearly how the City of London has historically undermined the democratic process in the uk. It also includes references to a book by Shanxson that illuminates the practices of the corporate capitalists - for instance there are 16 trillion dollars stashed away in off shore accounts. There is no reason for austerity measures anywhere if governments had the bottle to tackle this issue by introducing fair taxes. This is the main thrust of the protesters - a complete overhaul of the economic and political system to end years and years of the economics and politics of greed. That's not to say that all occupancy protesters merely want to restore a democracy that operates in the interest of the majority; some are of the view that the system is past redemption and alternatives need to be created. But, the thrust of the first charter (explained earlier) is for democratisation of the City of London and a firm end put to its interference in the politics of the realm.

Well put. A simple way to look at this problem with the present banking system is this. If a country is worth say $100 and prints 100 dollar bills and then gives it to the banks, the banks then lend this money, charge interest and turn $100 into $110 - BUT THERE IS ONLY $100 in REAL MONEY !!!! the other $10 has been invented into existence by the bank - who then give the bill for that invented $10 back to the country, so the economy inflates by 10% and your dollar in your pocket only now buys 90cents worth of stuff. You couldn't make it up.

It's much more magical than inventing an extra 10% of money Casual. Due to a system called 'fractional reserve banking' a Bank can invent/create many times more than the ACTUAL money deposited in it's vaults. For example, if your $100 is deposited in Bank A, this Bank can now lend out around 90% of this $100 ie $90. So I come along and borrow that $90 and buy a product with that $90. The shopkeeper I bought that product from deposits that $90 in his Bank and his Bank can now lend out 90% of that $90 ie $81. Somebody borrows $81 buys a product and the seller deposits $81 in her Bank and YES!, you guessed it, the Bank can now lend out 90% of $81 ($72.9). And so on, and so on. This is real magical stuff is it not? In just the 3 examples above (and of course you can keep repeating this fractional reserve lending until infinity almost)we have gone from $100 being deposited in a Bank creating an extra $243! plus of course the interest being charged on top of those loans. Where did this money come from? It isn't even printed physical money it is just numbers typed into a computer!

The money comes from the bank making investments. To make the concept basic the bank takes your money and gives you interest which is the reward given to you as a result of the bank using your capital to make investments and/or lend for a profit. Plus real money is not the way in which most transactions are made these days it being a digital world and all. Every time you use a piece of plastic to pay for something IT'S NOT REAL MONEY. I know putting it in capitals doesn't really prove a point one way or another. Intersting point raised about fractional reserve banking. Good in theory but potentially dangerous, point in case Northern Rock and the panic withdrawals. Also anyone who's seen "It's a Wonderful Life" would see a great fictional example! A question to raise though is how do you make credit available to the majority for motgages etc without taking an approach such as this.

One proposition is for Governments to 'print' their own money -just as Abe Lincoln did with the Greenback. The Government could do this without incurring interest that has to be paid on top back to the Banks. This would lessen the interest debt of the Country and, therefore, the Tax burden on small (and large) businesses as well of course on all employees. We already operate without using Euros as our currency so it wouldn't even amount to a 'dropping out of the Euro' argument being used against this 'solution'. We could build up a manufacturing and industrial economy again and trade those items with other Countries instead of relying on the Financial Market in the 'Corporation of London' being our wealth producing industry? . An 'independent' authority could advise on when to increase money supply etc. But, that would be the equivalent to a war on the money inventing, interest charging, Government controlling, minerals (of each Nation) owning elite. So, 'they' will obviously do their utmost to stop that happening. They are not going to simply hand over power to a 'democratically' run system. They have the power and they are going to keep it by what ever means is necessary. Who IS they?

You mean quantitive easing? It's been tried as a way to allow the banks to stat lending again and get cash flowing.

The Government "prints" money, which in this day and age does not mean physically creating but rather digitally creating new funds. This money is then used to buy assets from the banks so that they have cash to be able to lend out to business and the public to boost growth through additional investment/spending.



I'm not sure exactly where you get the interest rate effect from - this is controlled separately and let's be honest interest rate decreases as well as "new" money is not being passed out to the wider economy but instead results in banks being able to shore up their balance sheets and improve their profitability because they still charge us the same interest rate but they have access to borrow money at lower interest rates and hence they have a larger interest (call this profit if you like!) margin on every £1 they lend.

It is here that I agree with you that regulation is needed as banks have managed to keep a LOT of power despite being bailed out by the people. You are right if this money was lent out and stimulated growth then we could start to look into building up the economy, be it through manufacturing and export or other means.

In reference to the democratically run system - do we all not have a chance to vote any party led by any person into power? Are the 'they' you refer to pulling the strings of 60m people or however many it is now?

Casual Hero wrote:
This debate gets better - I was struggling to find a good way to explain 'Fractional Reserve Banking' Thanks Yorkshire Steel for that. Now - How to simply explain 'Derivatives' Thats where money really gets into the realms of Dark Magick ! along with short selling. Lol I predict that the governments will all but take over the retail banking sector (simply to protect against the inevitable run on banks) and then we can start to see the real effects of this banking crisis. Without depositors money to support it, the rest of the financial sector and the City of London will all but evaporate - along with all this fantastic wealth. The plus side to the state ownership of retail banking is that the government (country) can borrow from it's own people rather the IMF or World Bank and at much better rates. (mustn't mention Marx though)

mrs walker wrote:

YorkshireSteel wrote:

lonniejockstrap wrote:

YorkshireSteel wrote:

lonniejockstrap wrote:

Casual Hero wrote:

cormon wrote: Excellent heartening blog for the most part. For all - if you haven't read George Monbiot's article on line in the Guardian today, it covers all the queries and questions from those who are interested in the debate. It demonstrates clearly how the City of London has historically undermined the democratic process in the uk. It also includes references to a book by Shanxson that illuminates the practices of the corporate capitalists - for instance there are 16 trillion dollars stashed away in off shore accounts. There is no reason for austerity measures anywhere if governments had the bottle to tackle this issue by introducing fair taxes. This is the main thrust of the protesters - a complete overhaul of the economic and political system to end years and years of the economics and politics of greed. That's not to say that all occupancy protesters merely want to restore a democracy that operates in the interest of the majority; some are of the view that the system is past redemption and alternatives need to be created. But, the thrust of the first charter (explained earlier) is for democratisation of the City of London and a firm end put to its interference in the politics of the realm.

Well put. A simple way to look at this problem with the present banking system is this. If a country is worth say $100 and prints 100 dollar bills and then gives it to the banks, the banks then lend this money, charge interest and turn $100 into $110 - BUT THERE IS ONLY $100 in REAL MONEY !!!! the other $10 has been invented into existence by the bank - who then give the bill for that invented $10 back to the country, so the economy inflates by 10% and your dollar in your pocket only now buys 90cents worth of stuff. You couldn't make it up.

It's much more magical than inventing an extra 10% of money Casual. Due to a system called 'fractional reserve banking' a Bank can invent/create many times more than the ACTUAL money deposited in it's vaults. For example, if your $100 is deposited in Bank A, this Bank can now lend out around 90% of this $100 ie $90. So I come along and borrow that $90 and buy a product with that $90. The shopkeeper I bought that product from deposits that $90 in his Bank and his Bank can now lend out 90% of that $90 ie $81. Somebody borrows $81 buys a product and the seller deposits $81 in her Bank and YES!, you guessed it, the Bank can now lend out 90% of $81 ($72.9). And so on, and so on. This is real magical stuff is it not? In just the 3 examples above (and of course you can keep repeating this fractional reserve lending until infinity almost)we have gone from $100 being deposited in a Bank creating an extra $243! plus of course the interest being charged on top of those loans. Where did this money come from? It isn't even printed physical money it is just numbers typed into a computer!

The money comes from the bank making investments. To make the concept basic the bank takes your money and gives you interest which is the reward given to you as a result of the bank using your capital to make investments and/or lend for a profit. Plus real money is not the way in which most transactions are made these days it being a digital world and all. Every time you use a piece of plastic to pay for something IT'S NOT REAL MONEY. I know putting it in capitals doesn't really prove a point one way or another. Intersting point raised about fractional reserve banking. Good in theory but potentially dangerous, point in case Northern Rock and the panic withdrawals. Also anyone who's seen "It's a Wonderful Life" would see a great fictional example! A question to raise though is how do you make credit available to the majority for motgages etc without taking an approach such as this.

One proposition is for Governments to 'print' their own money -just as Abe Lincoln did with the Greenback. The Government could do this without incurring interest that has to be paid on top back to the Banks. This would lessen the interest debt of the Country and, therefore, the Tax burden on small (and large) businesses as well of course on all employees. We already operate without using Euros as our currency so it wouldn't even amount to a 'dropping out of the Euro' argument being used against this 'solution'. We could build up a manufacturing and industrial economy again and trade those items with other Countries instead of relying on the Financial Market in the 'Corporation of London' being our wealth producing industry? . An 'independent' authority could advise on when to increase money supply etc. But, that would be the equivalent to a war on the money inventing, interest charging, Government controlling, minerals (of each Nation) owning elite. So, 'they' will obviously do their utmost to stop that happening. They are not going to simply hand over power to a 'democratically' run system. They have the power and they are going to keep it by what ever means is necessary. Who IS they?

You mean quantitive easing? It's been tried as a way to allow the banks to stat lending again and get cash flowing. The Government "prints" money, which in this day and age does not mean physically creating but rather digitally creating new funds. This money is then used to buy assets from the banks so that they have cash to be able to lend out to business and the public to boost growth through additional investment/spending. I'm not sure exactly where you get the interest rate effect from - this is controlled separately and let's be honest interest rate decreases as well as "new" money is not being passed out to the wider economy but instead results in banks being able to shore up their balance sheets and improve their profitability because they still charge us the same interest rate but they have access to borrow money at lower interest rates and hence they have a larger interest (call this profit if you like!) margin on every £1 they lend. It is here that I agree with you that regulation is needed as banks have managed to keep a LOT of power despite being bailed out by the people. You are right if this money was lent out and stimulated growth then we could start to look into building up the economy, be it through manufacturing and export or other means. In reference to the democratically run system - do we all not have a chance to vote any party led by any person into power? Are the 'they' you refer to pulling the strings of 60m people or however many it is now?

Yet the problem with quantitative easing - or 'creating' more money - is that, historically it has led to runaway inflation - Germany in the 1930s for example...

Andy2010 wrote:
@ Aunty Capitalist

Thanks for the numerous pointless links about people having money !!

Anyway heres one of my favourites and someone I can actually relate to....legend

http://www.youtube.c

om/watch?v=ONXpaBQnB

vE

YorkshireSteel wrote:
Thanks Aunty Capitalist for your riveting posts. Bit like receiving a spam newsletter that although I did like the story about the silver Audi!!! Fancy throwing in a comment or two of your own in your later posts though so that they are actually interesting?

wobbley-bob wrote:
@ Aunty Capitalist
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Jealous much?
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Get a job then, you never know, you might be able to afford something other than White Lightening & that cheap 'Rollandsmoke' baccy from Barkers.

Aunty Capitalist wrote:

Andy2010 wrote: @ Aunty Capitalist Thanks for the numerous pointless links about people having money !! Anyway heres one of my favourites and someone I can actually relate to....legend http://www.youtube.c om/watch?v=ONXpaBQnB vE

Someone you can relate to? So you actually believe that greed is a virtue? then you are either a troll, or a fool, or you really are a thoroughly nasty, evil, selfish person for whom there is no hope; scum of the earth whom epitomises all that is wrong with humanity.

Andy2010 wrote:

Aunty Capitalist wrote:

Andy2010 wrote: @ Aunty Capitalist Thanks for the numerous pointless links about people having money !! Anyway heres one of my favourites and someone I can actually relate to....legend http://www.youtube.c om/watch?v=ONXpaBQnB vE

Someone you can relate to? So you actually believe that greed is a virtue? then you are either a troll, or a fool, or you really are a thoroughly nasty, evil, selfish person for whom there is no hope; scum of the earth whom epitomises all that is wrong with humanity.

Greed is good.....believe it or not not everyone shares your views on everything...I'm out for as much as I can earn in life thus enabling my family to have everything they want and more so.

Of course you have a right to disagree thats your perogative but it doesnt mean to say you are right.

And no I'm not a "troll". I'm simply someone who works extremely hard with a view to making as much money and acquiring as many assets as I possibly can so I can retire quite happily in my mid 50's and enjoy the rest of my life relaxing and seeing my family happy.

On the other hand if your happy sponging and dont want to make anything better for yourself and your family and end up working until your 70 then rotting in a run down care home then I wish you luck.

So yes in my view greed is good and works for me

Andy2010 wrote:
@ Aunty Capitalist

Thanks for the numerous pointless links about people having money !!

Anyway heres one of my favourites and someone I can actually relate to....legend

http://www.youtube.c

om/watch?v=ONXpaBQnB

vE

RollandSmoke wrote:
Andy2010 you say your someone who works extreamly hard. Do you? In the many years when I was working I never had a job that gave me enough downtime to be able to spend as much time on the internet as you seem to. What do you do thats so extreamly hard? Are you earning your money like a parasite off the hard graft of others that you pay peanuts or are you possibly working in the public sector taking tax payers money for you to sit there doing nothing?

Aunty Capitalist wrote:

Andy2010 wrote:

Aunty Capitalist wrote:

Andy2010 wrote: @ Aunty Capitalist Thanks for the numerous pointless links about people having money !! Anyway heres one of my favourites and someone I can actually relate to....legend http://www.youtube.c om/watch?v=ONXpaBQnB vE

Someone you can relate to? So you actually believe that greed is a virtue? then you are either a troll, or a fool, or you really are a thoroughly nasty, evil, selfish person for whom there is no hope; scum of the earth whom epitomises all that is wrong with humanity.

Greed is good.....believe it or not not everyone shares your views on everything...I'm out for as much as I can earn in life thus enabling my family to have everything they want and more so.

Of course you have a right to disagree thats your perogative but it doesnt mean to say you are right.

And no I'm not a "troll". I'm simply someone who works extremely hard with a view to making as much money and acquiring as many assets as I possibly can so I can retire quite happily in my mid 50's and enjoy the rest of my life relaxing and seeing my family happy.

On the other hand if your happy sponging and dont want to make anything better for yourself and your family and end up working until your 70 then rotting in a run down care home then I wish you luck.

So yes in my view greed is good and works for me

How very sad. You will be in for a huge shock - YOU CAN'T TAKE IT WITH YOU!

"It is easier for a camel to go through the eye of a needle, than for a rich man to enter the kingdom of God."

moralcompass wrote:

Andy2010 wrote:
@ Aunty Capitalist

Thanks for the numerous pointless links about people having money !!

Anyway heres one of my favourites and someone I can actually relate to....legend

http://www.youtube.c


om/watch?v=ONXpaBQnB


vE

you are stupid if you think like this....

Andy2010 wrote:

RollandSmoke wrote: Andy2010 you say your someone who works extreamly hard. Do you? In the many years when I was working I never had a job that gave me enough downtime to be able to spend as much time on the internet as you seem to. What do you do thats so extreamly hard? Are you earning your money like a parasite off the hard graft of others that you pay peanuts or are you possibly working in the public sector taking tax payers money for you to sit there doing nothing?

Yes I do. Just leaving work now at 8.15pm after being in at 8 this morning so yeah I do. For the record I work in Finance...Am I a parasite that lives off the hard graft of others or pay peanuts ? well suppose could be considered that yes. I have two assistants that you could say arent paid a "fortune" but as like myself have started at the bottom and are working their way up. With experience, education and training there is no reason why they too cant be earning a lot of money in a few years. And no I dont work in the public sector so cant speak for them

RollandSmoke wrote:

Andy2010 wrote:

RollandSmoke wrote: Andy2010 you say your someone who works extreamly hard. Do you? In the many years when I was working I never had a job that gave me enough downtime to be able to spend as much time on the internet as you seem to. What do you do thats so extreamly hard? Are you earning your money like a parasite off the hard graft of others that you pay peanuts or are you possibly working in the public sector taking tax payers money for you to sit there doing nothing?

Yes I do. Just leaving work now at 8.15pm after being in at 8 this morning so yeah I do. For the record I work in Finance...Am I a parasite that lives off the hard graft of others or pay peanuts ? well suppose could be considered that yes. I have two assistants that you could say arent paid a "fortune" but as like myself have started at the bottom and are working their way up. With experience, education and training there is no reason why they too cant be earning a lot of money in a few years. And no I dont work in the public sector so cant speak for them

Are your assistants paid a living wage or are they still needing to claim some benefits? Or in other words is their employment making you money at the taxpayers expense?

YorkshireSteel wrote:

lonniejockstrap wrote:

YorkshireSteel wrote:

lonniejockstrap wrote:

Casual Hero wrote:

cormon wrote: Excellent heartening blog for the most part. For all - if you haven't read George Monbiot's article on line in the Guardian today, it covers all the queries and questions from those who are interested in the debate. It demonstrates clearly how the City of London has historically undermined the democratic process in the uk. It also includes references to a book by Shanxson that illuminates the practices of the corporate capitalists - for instance there are 16 trillion dollars stashed away in off shore accounts. There is no reason for austerity measures anywhere if governments had the bottle to tackle this issue by introducing fair taxes. This is the main thrust of the protesters - a complete overhaul of the economic and political system to end years and years of the economics and politics of greed. That's not to say that all occupancy protesters merely want to restore a democracy that operates in the interest of the majority; some are of the view that the system is past redemption and alternatives need to be created. But, the thrust of the first charter (explained earlier) is for democratisation of the City of London and a firm end put to its interference in the politics of the realm.

Well put. A simple way to look at this problem with the present banking system is this. If a country is worth say $100 and prints 100 dollar bills and then gives it to the banks, the banks then lend this money, charge interest and turn $100 into $110 - BUT THERE IS ONLY $100 in REAL MONEY !!!! the other $10 has been invented into existence by the bank - who then give the bill for that invented $10 back to the country, so the economy inflates by 10% and your dollar in your pocket only now buys 90cents worth of stuff. You couldn't make it up.

It's much more magical than inventing an extra 10% of money Casual. Due to a system called 'fractional reserve banking' a Bank can invent/create many times more than the ACTUAL money deposited in it's vaults. For example, if your $100 is deposited in Bank A, this Bank can now lend out around 90% of this $100 ie $90. So I come along and borrow that $90 and buy a product with that $90. The shopkeeper I bought that product from deposits that $90 in his Bank and his Bank can now lend out 90% of that $90 ie $81. Somebody borrows $81 buys a product and the seller deposits $81 in her Bank and YES!, you guessed it, the Bank can now lend out 90% of $81 ($72.9). And so on, and so on. This is real magical stuff is it not? In just the 3 examples above (and of course you can keep repeating this fractional reserve lending until infinity almost)we have gone from $100 being deposited in a Bank creating an extra $243! plus of course the interest being charged on top of those loans. Where did this money come from? It isn't even printed physical money it is just numbers typed into a computer!

The money comes from the bank making investments. To make the concept basic the bank takes your money and gives you interest which is the reward given to you as a result of the bank using your capital to make investments and/or lend for a profit. Plus real money is not the way in which most transactions are made these days it being a digital world and all. Every time you use a piece of plastic to pay for something IT'S NOT REAL MONEY. I know putting it in capitals doesn't really prove a point one way or another. Intersting point raised about fractional reserve banking. Good in theory but potentially dangerous, point in case Northern Rock and the panic withdrawals. Also anyone who's seen "It's a Wonderful Life" would see a great fictional example! A question to raise though is how do you make credit available to the majority for motgages etc without taking an approach such as this.

One proposition is for Governments to 'print' their own money -just as Abe Lincoln did with the Greenback. The Government could do this without incurring interest that has to be paid on top back to the Banks. This would lessen the interest debt of the Country and, therefore, the Tax burden on small (and large) businesses as well of course on all employees. We already operate without using Euros as our currency so it wouldn't even amount to a 'dropping out of the Euro' argument being used against this 'solution'. We could build up a manufacturing and industrial economy again and trade those items with other Countries instead of relying on the Financial Market in the 'Corporation of London' being our wealth producing industry? . An 'independent' authority could advise on when to increase money supply etc. But, that would be the equivalent to a war on the money inventing, interest charging, Government controlling, minerals (of each Nation) owning elite. So, 'they' will obviously do their utmost to stop that happening. They are not going to simply hand over power to a 'democratically' run system. They have the power and they are going to keep it by what ever means is necessary. Who IS they?

You mean quantitive easing? It's been tried as a way to allow the banks to stat lending again and get cash flowing.

The Government "prints" money, which in this day and age does not mean physically creating but rather digitally creating new funds. This money is then used to buy assets from the banks so that they have cash to be able to lend out to business and the public to boost growth through additional investment/spending.



I'm not sure exactly where you get the interest rate effect from - this is controlled separately and let's be honest interest rate decreases as well as "new" money is not being passed out to the wider economy but instead results in banks being able to shore up their balance sheets and improve their profitability because they still charge us the same interest rate but they have access to borrow money at lower interest rates and hence they have a larger interest (call this profit if you like!) margin on every £1 they lend.

It is here that I agree with you that regulation is needed as banks have managed to keep a LOT of power despite being bailed out by the people. You are right if this money was lent out and stimulated growth then we could start to look into building up the economy, be it through manufacturing and export or other means.

In reference to the democratically run system - do we all not have a chance to vote any party led by any person into power? Are the 'they' you refer to pulling the strings of 60m people or however many it is now?