Gap between rich and poor in Bradford now biggest in country

Bradford Telegraph and Argus: Houses in Buttershaw, Bradford Houses in Buttershaw, Bradford

A stark profile of Bradford has revealed that the gap between rich and poor is bigger than anywhere else in the country.

Child poverty is rife and unemployment stands at a 13-year high.

The reality check is revealed today in two detailed “warts and all” studies covering all aspects of the district’s performance.

Bradford Council’s Local Economic Assessment and Bradford District Partnership’s State of the District reports have been drawn up for the first time in line with Government policy.

They provide a platform from which the Council must now draft its economic and community strategies by early next year.

Councillor Dave Green, the Council’s executive member for regeneration and economy, said: “These are ‘warts and all’ evaluations which will play a vital part in our plans to take action on the key economic and social issues facing our district.

“There’s no benefit in hiding away from the issues that need most attention – this process gives the Council and its partners the chance to review them, give them the attention they require and keep track of our progress so we know we are delivering.”

Although the gap between rich and poor is the country’s worst, Bradford is only ranked the 32nd most deprived local authority out of the 354 in England.

And the reports stress the district has many assets to capitalise on, including having the region’s third largest economy, a strong enterprise ethic and growing tourism.

Mike Cowlam, the Council’s assistant director for economic development, said the deprivation gap could be explained by the contrast between thriving Ilkley and Bradford’s inner-city wards, but he admitted the challenges the district faced could be heightened by Government public spending cuts which will be announced on Wednesday, October 20.

He said: “We have to tackle multi-generational unemployment, get more people into education, get better results from their education and make places more attractive to live in.

“There’s no doubt that regeneration activity is likely to be operating under reduced funding next year, which is particularly unfortunate because if Bradford struggles, the region and the North of England struggles.”

But Mr Cowlam insisted the situation facing the district was not inevitably going to worsen before it got better.

“It’s well-placed because of the actions it has taken,” he said. “The City Park will improve the environment and we’ve had major investment from Marks & Spencer and Provident Financial to create new employment opportunities.

“But we have got to look now at new ways of delivering Council services and regeneration projects.

“We will look at new Government funding programmes such as borrowing regeneration money against future rate income.

“The Regional Growth Fund is £1 billion over two years and we will be bidding for that.

“The Council is a major owner of assets in the district. We’re going to have to look at new ventures such as taking assets and putting them into projects of major regeneration programmes where there is an opportunity for money to come back into the Council at the end.”

Mary Weastell, the Council’s strategic director for performance and commissioning, also said Bradford needed to exploit what it had.

“Even going into this difficult period there are some things here that we can actually exploit and really start using to make Bradford far more resilient,” she said.

“We have a medium to high technology, manufacturing and business sector which is promoting a growth, some fantastic enterprise work going on and a platform for driving a cultural and creative industry approach, particularly around the environmental-technologies industry.

“One of the highest scores we had when the work was done to compare local authorities was our natural cultural assets and amenities – our parks, theatres, museums, galleries.

“We have a vibrant economy around these but I don’t think we have exploited that enough.”

The Council and the District Partnership will use the findings of the studies over the next few months during consultations with partners to develop their key priorities for the forthcoming strategies.

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7:53am Fri 8 Oct 10

Avro says...

“The City Park will improve the environment and we’ve had major investment from Marks & Spencer and Provident Financial to create new employment opportunities."

Scuse me Mr Cowlem, but Provident Financial did not create new opportunuties, they simply moved offices, and within that move, jobs were shed!

Bradford is in dire straits, and still our Councillors live in La-La Land!
“The City Park will improve the environment and we’ve had major investment from Marks & Spencer and Provident Financial to create new employment opportunities." Scuse me Mr Cowlem, but Provident Financial did not create new opportunuties, they simply moved offices, and within that move, jobs were shed! Bradford is in dire straits, and still our Councillors live in La-La Land! Avro

8:21am Fri 8 Oct 10

holden caulfield says...

“The City Park will improve the environment". Sorry but how will this impact on the growing divide between the haves and have nots? Only a fool would actually believe that the City Park will make any impact on the fortunes of the City, it's not going to draw people in to stand and stare on wonder as they behold a divided City Centre with a big hole only yards away. The commercial heart has been ripped from the City Centre and the deafening silence from Westfield speaks volumes. Why, even the picket fencing was treated with 25yr preservative! So much for confidence in regeneration.

How apt that the littel blue box is asking me to confirm I'm not a robot by typing in the words less-have

You couldn't make it up.
“The City Park will improve the environment". Sorry but how will this impact on the growing divide between the haves and have nots? Only a fool would actually believe that the City Park will make any impact on the fortunes of the City, it's not going to draw people in to stand and stare on wonder as they behold a divided City Centre with a big hole only yards away. The commercial heart has been ripped from the City Centre and the deafening silence from Westfield speaks volumes. Why, even the picket fencing was treated with 25yr preservative! So much for confidence in regeneration. How apt that the littel blue box is asking me to confirm I'm not a robot by typing in the words less-have You couldn't make it up. holden caulfield

8:27am Fri 8 Oct 10

Marco Polio says...

Hoorah, Bradford's top of another survey/poll/statisti
c. Surely this is the best place to live in Britain.

What???
You mean all the ones we're top off are crap ones that demonstrate how awful Bradford is. Oh dear. The council need to get their heads out their bum-holes and do something to sort out the massive problems that are blighting the city. And I don't mean building a 20-odd million pound water feature in the city centre.
The city needs businesses to bring jobs to the area, and the council should be promoting that. Instead of a giant pond, they could have used the money to lower rates for businesses, and they should chase Westfield to either commence building work, or repay any money already outlayed. Surely the council put deadlines on the project, nobody's dumb enough not to...are they?
Hoorah, Bradford's top of another survey/poll/statisti c. Surely this is the best place to live in Britain. What??? You mean all the ones we're top off are crap ones that demonstrate how awful Bradford is. Oh dear. The council need to get their heads out their bum-holes and do something to sort out the massive problems that are blighting the city. And I don't mean building a 20-odd million pound water feature in the city centre. The city needs businesses to bring jobs to the area, and the council should be promoting that. Instead of a giant pond, they could have used the money to lower rates for businesses, and they should chase Westfield to either commence building work, or repay any money already outlayed. Surely the council put deadlines on the project, nobody's dumb enough not to...are they? Marco Polio

8:42am Fri 8 Oct 10

windymiller says...

Problem is too many projects started and not one actually finished. Do the council have a weekly conference to come up with a hare brained scheme no one wants and puts the other projects on the back boiler? I have never known such an inept bunch of muppets in all my life, which is considerable. If the townhall was burning down they would hold a meeting to discuss how to tackle it and then pay twice as much as the building is worth to save it. Is it because it isn't their money that pie in the sky ideas are invented when they know **** well nothing will come to fruition. The last time I saw a city in the state of Bradford was when I was in Kabul last year!!
Problem is too many projects started and not one actually finished. Do the council have a weekly conference to come up with a hare brained scheme no one wants and puts the other projects on the back boiler? I have never known such an inept bunch of muppets in all my life, which is considerable. If the townhall was burning down they would hold a meeting to discuss how to tackle it and then pay twice as much as the building is worth to save it. Is it because it isn't their money that pie in the sky ideas are invented when they know **** well nothing will come to fruition. The last time I saw a city in the state of Bradford was when I was in Kabul last year!! windymiller

9:00am Fri 8 Oct 10

blacksheep says...

You can always rely on the T&A to kick the City when it's down.
You can always rely on the T&A to kick the City when it's down. blacksheep

9:24am Fri 8 Oct 10

wiseradviser says...

Who got us into this mess? City hall. Who are they quoting that despite how bad it is everyfinks gonna be allright? the politicians.

Why doesnt the T and A just send a memo to ciity and vice versa andkeep each other informed whilst the rest of us eke out a living and carry on with our daily toil?
Who got us into this mess? City hall. Who are they quoting that despite how bad it is everyfinks gonna be allright? the politicians. Why doesnt the T and A just send a memo to ciity and vice versa andkeep each other informed whilst the rest of us eke out a living and carry on with our daily toil? wiseradviser

9:41am Fri 8 Oct 10

Collos says...

The councillors are a bit like the "emporers new clothes"
They are not in the real world they reap vasts amounts of money by normal standards make a mess of everything they touch and expect us to believe their propaganda.Under a just state they would be tried and found guilty of total mismanagement of public funds.
The councillors are a bit like the "emporers new clothes" They are not in the real world they reap vasts amounts of money by normal standards make a mess of everything they touch and expect us to believe their propaganda.Under a just state they would be tried and found guilty of total mismanagement of public funds. Collos

10:12am Fri 8 Oct 10

claytonian says...

absolute tosh-run it by my servants and they agreed-after a good beating!
absolute tosh-run it by my servants and they agreed-after a good beating! claytonian

10:21am Fri 8 Oct 10

Grumpling says...

Negative publicity is exactly what is keeping Bradford in this downward spiral. Bradford is a big city with good communications links, it should easily be able to attract business to the area. The Park was only ever a last ditch effort to justify the "hole" that had been created. It will do nothing to improve our poor reputation. Frankly, I'm ashamed to say where I come from nowadays. Come on Bradford Council - other towns and cities have done wonders to transform their images and the success that brings.
Negative publicity is exactly what is keeping Bradford in this downward spiral. Bradford is a big city with good communications links, it should easily be able to attract business to the area. The Park was only ever a last ditch effort to justify the "hole" that had been created. It will do nothing to improve our poor reputation. Frankly, I'm ashamed to say where I come from nowadays. Come on Bradford Council - other towns and cities have done wonders to transform their images and the success that brings. Grumpling

10:24am Fri 8 Oct 10

Thee Voice of Reason says...

“The City Park will improve the environment"
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Then we are saved!
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This council couldn't run a bath.
“The City Park will improve the environment" . Then we are saved! . This council couldn't run a bath. Thee Voice of Reason

10:32am Fri 8 Oct 10

BD16 says...

Bradford and it's people have a victim mentality. We have too many young people that have 3 kids by the time they are 21. We have a small part of the immigrant community that think they are above the law and can do whatever they want to do. We have too many people who think that benefits are a lifestyle option rather than a mechanism. Until all of these problems can be addressed then we are going nowhere. We have some great assets in the middle of Bradford, the Victorian archictecture, the Alahambra but all we want to do is moan and blame somebody else. I am a Bradfordian but I now shop in Leeds by need as much as choice.
We need to find a solution to the Westfield and not just keep moaning about the council. They might have got Westfield wrong but if you are drowning and somebody throws you a lifeline then you grab it, it's just that this one broke.
Bradford and it's people have a victim mentality. We have too many young people that have 3 kids by the time they are 21. We have a small part of the immigrant community that think they are above the law and can do whatever they want to do. We have too many people who think that benefits are a lifestyle option rather than a mechanism. Until all of these problems can be addressed then we are going nowhere. We have some great assets in the middle of Bradford, the Victorian archictecture, the Alahambra but all we want to do is moan and blame somebody else. I am a Bradfordian but I now shop in Leeds by need as much as choice. We need to find a solution to the Westfield and not just keep moaning about the council. They might have got Westfield wrong but if you are drowning and somebody throws you a lifeline then you grab it, it's just that this one broke. BD16

10:46am Fri 8 Oct 10

babafk says...

the waste of money our councillors and their mad ideas have created could have made many many lives so much better . the Area i live in(lower grange/ allerton) is dirtier then Kathmandu slum areas , yet we do not have rubbish bins here . But we are going to get a City park - FOR WHOM ??? W e here in Bradford need to improve our image and tidyness first before throwing more money at LA LA LAND Projects.
the waste of money our councillors and their mad ideas have created could have made many many lives so much better . the Area i live in(lower grange/ allerton) is dirtier then Kathmandu slum areas , yet we do not have rubbish bins here . But we are going to get a City park - FOR WHOM ??? W e here in Bradford need to improve our image and tidyness first before throwing more money at LA LA LAND Projects. babafk

10:47am Fri 8 Oct 10

bredandbuttered says...

BD16 wrote:
Bradford and it's people have a victim mentality. We have too many young people that have 3 kids by the time they are 21. We have a small part of the immigrant community that think they are above the law and can do whatever they want to do. We have too many people who think that benefits are a lifestyle option rather than a mechanism. Until all of these problems can be addressed then we are going nowhere. We have some great assets in the middle of Bradford, the Victorian archictecture, the Alahambra but all we want to do is moan and blame somebody else. I am a Bradfordian but I now shop in Leeds by need as much as choice.
We need to find a solution to the Westfield and not just keep moaning about the council. They might have got Westfield wrong but if you are drowning and somebody throws you a lifeline then you grab it, it's just that this one broke.
I think thats fair comment, every point.
[quote][p][bold]BD16[/bold] wrote: Bradford and it's people have a victim mentality. We have too many young people that have 3 kids by the time they are 21. We have a small part of the immigrant community that think they are above the law and can do whatever they want to do. We have too many people who think that benefits are a lifestyle option rather than a mechanism. Until all of these problems can be addressed then we are going nowhere. We have some great assets in the middle of Bradford, the Victorian archictecture, the Alahambra but all we want to do is moan and blame somebody else. I am a Bradfordian but I now shop in Leeds by need as much as choice. We need to find a solution to the Westfield and not just keep moaning about the council. They might have got Westfield wrong but if you are drowning and somebody throws you a lifeline then you grab it, it's just that this one broke.[/p][/quote]I think thats fair comment, every point. bredandbuttered

10:52am Fri 8 Oct 10

East_Bowling_Bantam says...

I loved my childhood in Bradford. But I disliked adult life there hence i moved out to the outskirts. Why am I paying over £2000 council tax a year? I assume it's going towards good in Bradford but I have to accept that it's going to those areas proud of "nobody works round 'ere". So much for 40% tax, I should have gone offshore 2 years ago when I had the chance!
I loved my childhood in Bradford. But I disliked adult life there hence i moved out to the outskirts. Why am I paying over £2000 council tax a year? I assume it's going towards good in Bradford but I have to accept that it's going to those areas proud of "nobody works round 'ere". So much for 40% tax, I should have gone offshore 2 years ago when I had the chance! East_Bowling_Bantam

12:45pm Fri 8 Oct 10

ItchyBungle says...

The poverty gap, or as they are also known inequalities, are not just the problem that Bradford are facing. In terms of health, I know that just across Leeds there is a 30 year life expectancy between the affluent areas and the Gypsie and traveller communities. I am not sure what the difference is in Bradford but i don't think it would be too much of a difference.
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Promoting the Park in the Heart as a response to this story is in very bad taste. It is well established and known that if you live in a deprived (poor) community you are more likely to be expelled from school, obtain low/none grades in exams, have lower aspirations, less chance of achieving even moderate expectations, have worse health, be overweight, smoke, drink, substance misuse and you are also more likely to be at risk of psychotic illness (although this is only a small percentage of increased likelyhood for mental illness).
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Therefore the park will not really do much to address any of this and will actually help to widen the gap as the money to fund this park will be taken from community organisations who rely on the funding in order to tackle these issues.
The poverty gap, or as they are also known inequalities, are not just the problem that Bradford are facing. In terms of health, I know that just across Leeds there is a 30 year life expectancy between the affluent areas and the Gypsie and traveller communities. I am not sure what the difference is in Bradford but i don't think it would be too much of a difference. . Promoting the Park in the Heart as a response to this story is in very bad taste. It is well established and known that if you live in a deprived (poor) community you are more likely to be expelled from school, obtain low/none grades in exams, have lower aspirations, less chance of achieving even moderate expectations, have worse health, be overweight, smoke, drink, substance misuse and you are also more likely to be at risk of psychotic illness (although this is only a small percentage of increased likelyhood for mental illness). . Therefore the park will not really do much to address any of this and will actually help to widen the gap as the money to fund this park will be taken from community organisations who rely on the funding in order to tackle these issues. ItchyBungle

12:50pm Fri 8 Oct 10

bigo93 says...

Bradford, the one place you wanna move out of; but before you can you gotta get a half decent job to add to your CV so that you can then apply to jobs in other cities. Too bad that getting that job is harder than an MP putting his house on expenses!
Bradford, the one place you wanna move out of; but before you can you gotta get a half decent job to add to your CV so that you can then apply to jobs in other cities. Too bad that getting that job is harder than an MP putting his house on expenses! bigo93

1:04pm Fri 8 Oct 10

tomholdsworth says...

Don't agree with this article really. First of all Ilkley is in Leeds. Ilkley is a town out of the norm really so comparing Bradford's most deprived areas is going to give a large gap.
Thinking of Bradford's 'nicer' areas i.e. Thackley, Wrose, Idle etc there isn't that much of a gap between the worst places. I think Bradford is quite similar in most areas, and is showing signs of improvement in some city areas. Every city has run-down areas and only need a bit of refurb to bring it up to standard. Dont see why we have such a bad rep. Be proud to be from here, stop bringing us down and folk might want to live and set up businesses here
Don't agree with this article really. First of all Ilkley is in Leeds. Ilkley is a town out of the norm really so comparing Bradford's most deprived areas is going to give a large gap. Thinking of Bradford's 'nicer' areas i.e. Thackley, Wrose, Idle etc there isn't that much of a gap between the worst places. I think Bradford is quite similar in most areas, and is showing signs of improvement in some city areas. Every city has run-down areas and only need a bit of refurb to bring it up to standard. Dont see why we have such a bad rep. Be proud to be from here, stop bringing us down and folk might want to live and set up businesses here tomholdsworth

1:15pm Fri 8 Oct 10

Huneybunch says...

East_Bowling_Bantam wrote:
I loved my childhood in Bradford. But I disliked adult life there hence i moved out to the outskirts. Why am I paying over £2000 council tax a year? I assume it's going towards good in Bradford but I have to accept that it's going to those areas proud of "nobody works round 'ere". So much for 40% tax, I should have gone offshore 2 years ago when I had the chance!
Well you must be lucky to pay over £2000 council tax, as your house must be worth a few bob. But really without there being any shops who is going to come to Bradford and use City Park, plus its not the cleanest of Cties.
[quote][p][bold]East_Bowling_Bantam[/bold] wrote: I loved my childhood in Bradford. But I disliked adult life there hence i moved out to the outskirts. Why am I paying over £2000 council tax a year? I assume it's going towards good in Bradford but I have to accept that it's going to those areas proud of "nobody works round 'ere". So much for 40% tax, I should have gone offshore 2 years ago when I had the chance![/p][/quote]Well you must be lucky to pay over £2000 council tax, as your house must be worth a few bob. But really without there being any shops who is going to come to Bradford and use City Park, plus its not the cleanest of Cties. Huneybunch

1:24pm Fri 8 Oct 10

albion says...

tomholdsworth wrote:
Don't agree with this article really. First of all Ilkley is in Leeds. Ilkley is a town out of the norm really so comparing Bradford's most deprived areas is going to give a large gap.
Thinking of Bradford's 'nicer' areas i.e. Thackley, Wrose, Idle etc there isn't that much of a gap between the worst places. I think Bradford is quite similar in most areas, and is showing signs of improvement in some city areas. Every city has run-down areas and only need a bit of refurb to bring it up to standard. Dont see why we have such a bad rep. Be proud to be from here, stop bringing us down and folk might want to live and set up businesses here
"First of all Ilkley is in Leeds."
Have they moved it?
[quote][p][bold]tomholdsworth[/bold] wrote: Don't agree with this article really. First of all Ilkley is in Leeds. Ilkley is a town out of the norm really so comparing Bradford's most deprived areas is going to give a large gap. Thinking of Bradford's 'nicer' areas i.e. Thackley, Wrose, Idle etc there isn't that much of a gap between the worst places. I think Bradford is quite similar in most areas, and is showing signs of improvement in some city areas. Every city has run-down areas and only need a bit of refurb to bring it up to standard. Dont see why we have such a bad rep. Be proud to be from here, stop bringing us down and folk might want to live and set up businesses here[/p][/quote]"First of all Ilkley is in Leeds." Have they moved it? albion

1:38pm Fri 8 Oct 10

Thee Voice of Reason says...

albion wrote:
tomholdsworth wrote: Don't agree with this article really. First of all Ilkley is in Leeds. Ilkley is a town out of the norm really so comparing Bradford's most deprived areas is going to give a large gap. Thinking of Bradford's 'nicer' areas i.e. Thackley, Wrose, Idle etc there isn't that much of a gap between the worst places. I think Bradford is quite similar in most areas, and is showing signs of improvement in some city areas. Every city has run-down areas and only need a bit of refurb to bring it up to standard. Dont see why we have such a bad rep. Be proud to be from here, stop bringing us down and folk might want to live and set up businesses here
"First of all Ilkley is in Leeds." Have they moved it?
It has a LS postcode, but is under Bradford Council.
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They will get cheaper insurance but will have to put up with paying for pie in the sky ideas via council tax. I suppose one out of two ain't bad.
[quote][p][bold]albion[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]tomholdsworth[/bold] wrote: Don't agree with this article really. First of all Ilkley is in Leeds. Ilkley is a town out of the norm really so comparing Bradford's most deprived areas is going to give a large gap. Thinking of Bradford's 'nicer' areas i.e. Thackley, Wrose, Idle etc there isn't that much of a gap between the worst places. I think Bradford is quite similar in most areas, and is showing signs of improvement in some city areas. Every city has run-down areas and only need a bit of refurb to bring it up to standard. Dont see why we have such a bad rep. Be proud to be from here, stop bringing us down and folk might want to live and set up businesses here[/p][/quote]"First of all Ilkley is in Leeds." Have they moved it?[/p][/quote]It has a LS postcode, but is under Bradford Council. . They will get cheaper insurance but will have to put up with paying for pie in the sky ideas via council tax. I suppose one out of two ain't bad. Thee Voice of Reason

2:00pm Fri 8 Oct 10

BD16 says...

ItchyBungle wrote:
The poverty gap, or as they are also known inequalities, are not just the problem that Bradford are facing. In terms of health, I know that just across Leeds there is a 30 year life expectancy between the affluent areas and the Gypsie and traveller communities. I am not sure what the difference is in Bradford but i don't think it would be too much of a difference. . Promoting the Park in the Heart as a response to this story is in very bad taste. It is well established and known that if you live in a deprived (poor) community you are more likely to be expelled from school, obtain low/none grades in exams, have lower aspirations, less chance of achieving even moderate expectations, have worse health, be overweight, smoke, drink, substance misuse and you are also more likely to be at risk of psychotic illness (although this is only a small percentage of increased likelyhood for mental illness). . Therefore the park will not really do much to address any of this and will actually help to widen the gap as the money to fund this park will be taken from community organisations who rely on the funding in order to tackle these issues.
I think you are correct in a lot of waht you say, except that most of the social issues you mention come under the control of central government not local.
As I mentioned in my earlier post, I believe that a lot of Bradfordians have a victim mentality and live on benefits. Not all people on benefits so please don't moan at me. What I would like to see change is this attitude and let's work on the positives. Sad thing is that a lot of change has to come from London.
[quote][p][bold]ItchyBungle[/bold] wrote: The poverty gap, or as they are also known inequalities, are not just the problem that Bradford are facing. In terms of health, I know that just across Leeds there is a 30 year life expectancy between the affluent areas and the Gypsie and traveller communities. I am not sure what the difference is in Bradford but i don't think it would be too much of a difference. . Promoting the Park in the Heart as a response to this story is in very bad taste. It is well established and known that if you live in a deprived (poor) community you are more likely to be expelled from school, obtain low/none grades in exams, have lower aspirations, less chance of achieving even moderate expectations, have worse health, be overweight, smoke, drink, substance misuse and you are also more likely to be at risk of psychotic illness (although this is only a small percentage of increased likelyhood for mental illness). . Therefore the park will not really do much to address any of this and will actually help to widen the gap as the money to fund this park will be taken from community organisations who rely on the funding in order to tackle these issues.[/p][/quote]I think you are correct in a lot of waht you say, except that most of the social issues you mention come under the control of central government not local. As I mentioned in my earlier post, I believe that a lot of Bradfordians have a victim mentality and live on benefits. Not all people on benefits so please don't moan at me. What I would like to see change is this attitude and let's work on the positives. Sad thing is that a lot of change has to come from London. BD16

2:10pm Fri 8 Oct 10

Moon on a stick says...

***QUOTE OF THE YEAR AWARD GOES TO***
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Mr Cowlam "The City Park will improve the environment"
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Sigh, if we're pinning all Bradford's hope on the City Park we really are doomed.
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I'd have to agreed with the previous poster who rightly points our Provident merely moved (so claims of new jobs is simply a falsehood) and in the process left 2 office buildings that will now be left to rot.
***QUOTE OF THE YEAR AWARD GOES TO*** . Mr Cowlam "The City Park will improve the environment" . Sigh, if we're pinning all Bradford's hope on the City Park we really are doomed. . I'd have to agreed with the previous poster who rightly points our Provident merely moved (so claims of new jobs is simply a falsehood) and in the process left 2 office buildings that will now be left to rot. Moon on a stick

2:28pm Fri 8 Oct 10

Moon on a stick says...

This is what the city park will look like 7 days after it's opened:
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http://tiny.cc/ye43l

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:-)
This is what the city park will look like 7 days after it's opened: . http://tiny.cc/ye43l . :-) Moon on a stick

2:43pm Fri 8 Oct 10

mad matt says...

It's about time that the people who control this city and it's finances got off their backsides, took off their rose-tinted glasses had a reality check.

security code - sure-fact - rather apt!
It's about time that the people who control this city and it's finances got off their backsides, took off their rose-tinted glasses had a reality check. security code - sure-fact - rather apt! mad matt

3:13pm Fri 8 Oct 10

Willard says...

This is where I was born, and my Dad and his Dad and his........

I weep when I see what has happened over the 50 years. We tore down our Victorian arcades, Kirkgate, Swan and we build concrete blocks, then we tore those down and...had a hole...sob.
We need to attract investment, we need jobs, we need a HERO with proper vision. Heck I was in the centre yesterday and some of the flats in cheapside have 100% mortgage and no deposit...try getting that deal in Brewery Wharfe in Leeds!! City Park?? Build a factory, make something, sell something and I wouldnt have the hole filled with retail units, fill it with computers or widget machines. I know, we could take sheep fleeces and make wool and clothes and suits!! Where is Sir Titus when you need him the most
This is where I was born, and my Dad and his Dad and his........ I weep when I see what has happened over the 50 years. We tore down our Victorian arcades, Kirkgate, Swan and we build concrete blocks, then we tore those down and...had a hole...sob. We need to attract investment, we need jobs, we need a HERO with proper vision. Heck I was in the centre yesterday and some of the flats in cheapside have 100% mortgage and no deposit...try getting that deal in Brewery Wharfe in Leeds!! City Park?? Build a factory, make something, sell something and I wouldnt have the hole filled with retail units, fill it with computers or widget machines. I know, we could take sheep fleeces and make wool and clothes and suits!! Where is Sir Titus when you need him the most Willard

3:19pm Fri 8 Oct 10

BD16 says...

Moon on a stick wrote:
This is what the city park will look like 7 days after it's opened: . http://tiny.cc/ye43l . :-)
Where do you get these things from?
I honestly don't know whether to laugh or cry at them.
[quote][p][bold]Moon on a stick[/bold] wrote: This is what the city park will look like 7 days after it's opened: . http://tiny.cc/ye43l . :-)[/p][/quote]Where do you get these things from? I honestly don't know whether to laugh or cry at them. BD16

3:21pm Fri 8 Oct 10

Thee Voice of Reason says...

BD16 wrote:
Moon on a stick wrote: This is what the city park will look like 7 days after it's opened: . http://tiny.cc/ye43l . :-)
Where do you get these things from? I honestly don't know whether to laugh or cry at them.
It needs updating to include the band of travelling gypos currently doing the rounds, waiting till the park is complete before decending.
[quote][p][bold]BD16[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Moon on a stick[/bold] wrote: This is what the city park will look like 7 days after it's opened: . http://tiny.cc/ye43l . :-)[/p][/quote]Where do you get these things from? I honestly don't know whether to laugh or cry at them.[/p][/quote]It needs updating to include the band of travelling gypos currently doing the rounds, waiting till the park is complete before decending. Thee Voice of Reason

3:22pm Fri 8 Oct 10

Up with the partridge says...

There are certain towns and cities which are widely viewed amongst the majority of the country as the pits. I am thinking of Stoke, Wolverhampton, Oldham, Liverpool, Dudley, Dagenham, to name but a few and of course Bradford. There are many decent places in Bradford, and I am sure these other towns but the fact is that there is such a negative label attached to the place it is hard to recover. Do what you will with the centre but you cannot escape the near slums that there are in Bradford and this goes with any large town or city. Bradford and Wolverhampton has a particular problem caused by the failed immigration policies of the past. There are many decent respectable hard working people whose origins are in the Indian sub-continent and who want to improve Bradford (and Wolverhampton) however there are far too many who have no pride in the place but it is better than Mumbai so what the heck. The white indigenous population particularly the older ones, hate what immigration has done to Bradford, and could weep when they look at Manningham, Heaton, Bradford Moor and many other places which have been colonised. What's the answer, I am not sure but it is sure as heck not a City Park or any other daft idea. Do you know any area of Bradford, that is better than it was 10 years ago? No, but that is not the case in many towns and cities. Look at Halifax for example - used to be a dump but now the place seems to be on the up. Who was it said "pity poor Bradford?" - how prophetic
There are certain towns and cities which are widely viewed amongst the majority of the country as the pits. I am thinking of Stoke, Wolverhampton, Oldham, Liverpool, Dudley, Dagenham, to name but a few and of course Bradford. There are many decent places in Bradford, and I am sure these other towns but the fact is that there is such a negative label attached to the place it is hard to recover. Do what you will with the centre but you cannot escape the near slums that there are in Bradford and this goes with any large town or city. Bradford and Wolverhampton has a particular problem caused by the failed immigration policies of the past. There are many decent respectable hard working people whose origins are in the Indian sub-continent and who want to improve Bradford (and Wolverhampton) however there are far too many who have no pride in the place but it is better than Mumbai so what the heck. The white indigenous population particularly the older ones, hate what immigration has done to Bradford, and could weep when they look at Manningham, Heaton, Bradford Moor and many other places which have been colonised. What's the answer, I am not sure but it is sure as heck not a City Park or any other daft idea. Do you know any area of Bradford, that is better than it was 10 years ago? No, but that is not the case in many towns and cities. Look at Halifax for example - used to be a dump but now the place seems to be on the up. Who was it said "pity poor Bradford?" - how prophetic Up with the partridge

3:49pm Fri 8 Oct 10

Moon on a stick says...

Thee Voice of Reason wrote:
BD16 wrote:
Moon on a stick wrote: This is what the city park will look like 7 days after it's opened: . http://tiny.cc/ye43l . :-)
Where do you get these things from? I honestly don't know whether to laugh or cry at them.
It needs updating to include the band of travelling gypos currently doing the rounds, waiting till the park is complete before decending.
Your wish is my command, kind of. Gypsies on the Urban Gardens...
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http://tiny.cc/97v9y

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I borrowed the images from posts on the BD1 forum.
[quote][p][bold]Thee Voice of Reason[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]BD16[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Moon on a stick[/bold] wrote: This is what the city park will look like 7 days after it's opened: . http://tiny.cc/ye43l . :-)[/p][/quote]Where do you get these things from? I honestly don't know whether to laugh or cry at them.[/p][/quote]It needs updating to include the band of travelling gypos currently doing the rounds, waiting till the park is complete before decending.[/p][/quote]Your wish is my command, kind of. Gypsies on the Urban Gardens... . http://tiny.cc/97v9y . I borrowed the images from posts on the BD1 forum. Moon on a stick

3:55pm Fri 8 Oct 10

MontyLeMar says...

I think one sign of a vibrant and industrious city is the quality of jobs available. I get the T&A news letters each day to my inbox and am always amazed at the Top Jobs item at the bottom of the page. For what seems like weeks the same jobs have been advertised. These are CARETAKER - £15,725 and Behaviour Support Worker - £15,480. If those are the top jobs in Bradford - £10,000 below the national average! - what does that say. There's a credibility gap here. No wonder people are just dying to get out.
I think one sign of a vibrant and industrious city is the quality of jobs available. I get the T&A news letters each day to my inbox and am always amazed at the Top Jobs item at the bottom of the page. For what seems like weeks the same jobs have been advertised. These are CARETAKER - £15,725 and Behaviour Support Worker - £15,480. If those are the top jobs in Bradford - £10,000 below the national average! - what does that say. There's a credibility gap here. No wonder people are just dying to get out. MontyLeMar

3:56pm Fri 8 Oct 10

Foolroy says...

Moon on a stick wrote:
Thee Voice of Reason wrote:
BD16 wrote:
Moon on a stick wrote: This is what the city park will look like 7 days after it's opened: . http://tiny.cc/ye43l . :-)
Where do you get these things from? I honestly don't know whether to laugh or cry at them.
It needs updating to include the band of travelling gypos currently doing the rounds, waiting till the park is complete before decending.
Your wish is my command, kind of. Gypsies on the Urban Gardens...
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http://tiny.cc/97v9y


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I borrowed the images from posts on the BD1 forum.
Do you have a time-machine? This picture is an uncannily accurate representation of Bradfords future. I had to laugh!!
[quote][p][bold]Moon on a stick[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Thee Voice of Reason[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]BD16[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Moon on a stick[/bold] wrote: This is what the city park will look like 7 days after it's opened: . http://tiny.cc/ye43l . :-)[/p][/quote]Where do you get these things from? I honestly don't know whether to laugh or cry at them.[/p][/quote]It needs updating to include the band of travelling gypos currently doing the rounds, waiting till the park is complete before decending.[/p][/quote]Your wish is my command, kind of. Gypsies on the Urban Gardens... . http://tiny.cc/97v9y . I borrowed the images from posts on the BD1 forum.[/p][/quote]Do you have a time-machine? This picture is an uncannily accurate representation of Bradfords future. I had to laugh!! Foolroy

5:19pm Fri 8 Oct 10

Colin Allcars says...

Does it mentioned the great Mumtaz and his belief that Bradford's only claim to fame now is curry with, or without VAT?
Does it mentioned the great Mumtaz and his belief that Bradford's only claim to fame now is curry with, or without VAT? Colin Allcars

5:22pm Fri 8 Oct 10

Moon on a stick says...

I stumbled across the regeneration department's favorite poster, here I'll share it with you all:
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http://tiny.cc/9uyac
I stumbled across the regeneration department's favorite poster, here I'll share it with you all: . http://tiny.cc/9uyac Moon on a stick

5:23pm Fri 8 Oct 10

bredandbuttered says...

That is so funny.
Wait! I see a calendar: Bradford - A Surprising Place.
That is so funny. Wait! I see a calendar: Bradford - A Surprising Place. bredandbuttered

6:24pm Fri 8 Oct 10

trueblud says...

In several countries I have been witness to projects which have had the effect of improving the cities overall living standard. What some places have done is to redevelop certain areas with housing developments of a much higher standard. It works like this, develop companies, by prior agreement with current residents, move residents out of the area to be redeveloped. The company pays for their rent. The agreement is that many more units of a much higher standard will be errected upon the area in queation. The residents who formally occupied the area being developed will recieve one new unit of a similar size to the unit they formally occupied and evacuated to make way for the development. all units with the complex over and above the requirements of the primary residents will be sold for profit. The area around the units are designed in view of a higher level of life quality and social order and safety for the residents of the area. State of the art systems are widely recognized and are being put into effect in many places around the world. For example, in Israel this system is given the name "Pinui ve Binui". The overall effect is noticable reduction in the state of squallor, raising social standards by the adjustment of the environment which contributes to the reduction of social standards, street gangs and the associated crime are reduced by planning with a view to making life hard for delinquency, crime and anti social behaviour. People get a renued sense of pride and become more positive in their general outlook.
In several countries I have been witness to projects which have had the effect of improving the cities overall living standard. What some places have done is to redevelop certain areas with housing developments of a much higher standard. It works like this, develop companies, by prior agreement with current residents, move residents out of the area to be redeveloped. The company pays for their rent. The agreement is that many more units of a much higher standard will be errected upon the area in queation. The residents who formally occupied the area being developed will recieve one new unit of a similar size to the unit they formally occupied and evacuated to make way for the development. all units with the complex over and above the requirements of the primary residents will be sold for profit. The area around the units are designed in view of a higher level of life quality and social order and safety for the residents of the area. State of the art systems are widely recognized and are being put into effect in many places around the world. For example, in Israel this system is given the name "Pinui ve Binui". The overall effect is noticable reduction in the state of squallor, raising social standards by the adjustment of the environment which contributes to the reduction of social standards, street gangs and the associated crime are reduced by planning with a view to making life hard for delinquency, crime and anti social behaviour. People get a renued sense of pride and become more positive in their general outlook. trueblud

6:43pm Fri 8 Oct 10

Willard says...

Trueblud , that is supperb and it would work here as well, but with Brad-met managing the situation?? I tell you what just go out and buy another big roll of Duct-Tape and get a giant size box of Elastoplast whilst you are at it.

We need people who can lead and plan not just scrape through from crisis to crisis
Trueblud , that is supperb and it would work here as well, but with Brad-met managing the situation?? I tell you what just go out and buy another big roll of Duct-Tape and get a giant size box of Elastoplast whilst you are at it. We need people who can lead and plan not just scrape through from crisis to crisis Willard

6:55pm Fri 8 Oct 10

Unc says...

Moon on a stick wrote:
This is what the city park will look like 7 days after it's opened: . http://tiny.cc/ye43l . :-)
"Anything" is an improvement on "the hole"...

http://tinyurl.com/b
radhole
[quote][p][bold]Moon on a stick[/bold] wrote: This is what the city park will look like 7 days after it's opened: . http://tiny.cc/ye43l . :-)[/p][/quote]"Anything" is an improvement on "the hole"... http://tinyurl.com/b radhole Unc

11:15pm Fri 8 Oct 10

PotCallingKettle says...

I wish ALL the above just went and lived in Leeds and NOT Bradford and let the true Bradfordians live in Peace and Harmony and look forward to a positive and prosperous future whether it takes a year or several years.......I LOVE BRADFORD, KISS KISS KISS TO MY FELLOW BRADFORDIANS...xxx
I wish ALL the above just went and lived in Leeds and NOT Bradford and let the true Bradfordians live in Peace and Harmony and look forward to a positive and prosperous future whether it takes a year or several years.......I LOVE BRADFORD, KISS KISS KISS TO MY FELLOW BRADFORDIANS...xxx PotCallingKettle

11:55pm Fri 8 Oct 10

mrs walker says...

Unc wrote:
Moon on a stick wrote:
This is what the city park will look like 7 days after it's opened: . http://tiny.cc/ye43l . :-)
"Anything" is an improvement on "the hole"...

http://tinyurl.com/b

radhole
I'd buy these! I'm almost moved to start a Bradford-themed demotivational online poster shop - an antithesis to the old Athena idea. Consider yourselves hired when the Hole Place launches... ;-)
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PS PotCallingKettle - I do love Bradford too, but that's no reason why I shouldn't laugh at its outrageous 'fails'..
[quote][p][bold]Unc[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Moon on a stick[/bold] wrote: This is what the city park will look like 7 days after it's opened: . http://tiny.cc/ye43l . :-)[/p][/quote]"Anything" is an improvement on "the hole"... http://tinyurl.com/b radhole[/p][/quote]I'd buy these! I'm almost moved to start a Bradford-themed demotivational online poster shop - an antithesis to the old Athena idea. Consider yourselves hired when the Hole Place launches... ;-) . PS PotCallingKettle - I do love Bradford too, but that's no reason why I shouldn't laugh at its outrageous 'fails'.. mrs walker

12:50am Sat 9 Oct 10

jj83 says...

Can we all try to be a bit more positive perhaps? I'm very proud to be from Bradford and so should every other Bradfordian 'cause it's a great city and has so much to offer.
Of course the City Park will improve the environment and attract more people to the city center. Most people from other cities would be more than chuffed if something like this was being built in their community, so why can't we? and it's going to be a lot better than what was there before isn't it? It will make the atmosphere and vibe around the city center so much better if we could all just stop complaining about it and just enjoy it! and 20 odd million Isn't that much considering the size of the thing and the amount of improvement it will make.
Once the Westfield shopping center and all the other planned redevelopment is complete, Bradford will be one of the top cities in the Uk!
Maybe other people's opinion of Bradford will change if it's own people started to love the city more and talk about it more positively.
Can we all try to be a bit more positive perhaps? I'm very proud to be from Bradford and so should every other Bradfordian 'cause it's a great city and has so much to offer. Of course the City Park will improve the environment and attract more people to the city center. Most people from other cities would be more than chuffed if something like this was being built in their community, so why can't we? and it's going to be a lot better than what was there before isn't it? It will make the atmosphere and vibe around the city center so much better if we could all just stop complaining about it and just enjoy it! and 20 odd million Isn't that much considering the size of the thing and the amount of improvement it will make. Once the Westfield shopping center and all the other planned redevelopment is complete, Bradford will be one of the top cities in the Uk! Maybe other people's opinion of Bradford will change if it's own people started to love the city more and talk about it more positively. jj83

1:37am Sat 9 Oct 10

Moon on a stick says...

Sorry mate but you clearly have little experience of the city centre. Positive spin has been churned out for over a decade, in fact it dates back to the 1980's, press releases, spin and pretending things are good doesn't fix problems, admitting the problems, discussing them and finding a solution is the one and only way forward.
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£1.4 Million has been spent already on putting benches down and repaving and what's happened, drunks and beggars have taken up these delightful spots.
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The city park consultants have told what is little short of a lie, the claim was that £80 million (per year) would be added to Bradford's economy, that is utter fiction, if you think otherwise explain that figure.
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There's a saying, actions speak louder than words, in Bradford's case that couldn't be more true, you can't positive talk Bradford out of it's problems you have to act.
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Maybe if the police would act and tackle anti-social behaviour and get Bradford out of the top 10 for a number of vehicle related frauds that would be a start, maybe if the council didn't try to bleed drivers dry for parking in the city centre to shop, maybe if it didn't charge 100% council tax on unlet properties, maybe if the council would lobby VOA to lower business rates then we might get somewhere.
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But talking positive, sticking our heads in the sand and acting like morons, no thank you.
Sorry mate but you clearly have little experience of the city centre. Positive spin has been churned out for over a decade, in fact it dates back to the 1980's, press releases, spin and pretending things are good doesn't fix problems, admitting the problems, discussing them and finding a solution is the one and only way forward. . £1.4 Million has been spent already on putting benches down and repaving and what's happened, drunks and beggars have taken up these delightful spots. . The city park consultants have told what is little short of a lie, the claim was that £80 million (per year) would be added to Bradford's economy, that is utter fiction, if you think otherwise explain that figure. . There's a saying, actions speak louder than words, in Bradford's case that couldn't be more true, you can't positive talk Bradford out of it's problems you have to act. . Maybe if the police would act and tackle anti-social behaviour and get Bradford out of the top 10 for a number of vehicle related frauds that would be a start, maybe if the council didn't try to bleed drivers dry for parking in the city centre to shop, maybe if it didn't charge 100% council tax on unlet properties, maybe if the council would lobby VOA to lower business rates then we might get somewhere. . But talking positive, sticking our heads in the sand and acting like morons, no thank you. Moon on a stick

1:45am Sat 9 Oct 10

Moon on a stick says...

mrs walker wrote:
Unc wrote:
Moon on a stick wrote:
This is what the city park will look like 7 days after it's opened: . http://tiny.cc/ye43l . :-)
"Anything" is an improvement on "the hole"...

http://tinyurl.com/b


radhole
I'd buy these! I'm almost moved to start a Bradford-themed demotivational online poster shop - an antithesis to the old Athena idea. Consider yourselves hired when the Hole Place launches... ;-)
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PS PotCallingKettle - I do love Bradford too, but that's no reason why I shouldn't laugh at its outrageous 'fails'..
I'm glad you understood the images, Bradford definately needs a calendar, one that tracks key anniversaries from the Poulson era onwards as well as the tongue in cheek images would be nice.
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Anyone that doesn't get the posters either hasn't worked and seen motivation posters in action or lacks any sense of humour.
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http://www.demotivat
ion.com
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I love Bradford too, that's why I won't stand by and see the same corruption, lies, spin and deception that has happened in the past repeat themselves at the cost of the little heritage that is left.
[quote][p][bold]mrs walker[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Unc[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Moon on a stick[/bold] wrote: This is what the city park will look like 7 days after it's opened: . http://tiny.cc/ye43l . :-)[/p][/quote]"Anything" is an improvement on "the hole"... http://tinyurl.com/b radhole[/p][/quote]I'd buy these! I'm almost moved to start a Bradford-themed demotivational online poster shop - an antithesis to the old Athena idea. Consider yourselves hired when the Hole Place launches... ;-) . PS PotCallingKettle - I do love Bradford too, but that's no reason why I shouldn't laugh at its outrageous 'fails'..[/p][/quote]I'm glad you understood the images, Bradford definately needs a calendar, one that tracks key anniversaries from the Poulson era onwards as well as the tongue in cheek images would be nice. . Anyone that doesn't get the posters either hasn't worked and seen motivation posters in action or lacks any sense of humour. . http://www.demotivat ion.com . I love Bradford too, that's why I won't stand by and see the same corruption, lies, spin and deception that has happened in the past repeat themselves at the cost of the little heritage that is left. Moon on a stick

6:38am Sat 9 Oct 10

albion says...

jj83 wrote:
Can we all try to be a bit more positive perhaps? I'm very proud to be from Bradford and so should every other Bradfordian 'cause it's a great city and has so much to offer.
Of course the City Park will improve the environment and attract more people to the city center. Most people from other cities would be more than chuffed if something like this was being built in their community, so why can't we? and it's going to be a lot better than what was there before isn't it? It will make the atmosphere and vibe around the city center so much better if we could all just stop complaining about it and just enjoy it! and 20 odd million Isn't that much considering the size of the thing and the amount of improvement it will make.
Once the Westfield shopping center and all the other planned redevelopment is complete, Bradford will be one of the top cities in the Uk!
Maybe other people's opinion of Bradford will change if it's own people started to love the city more and talk about it more positively.
Delusions of grandeur.
[quote][p][bold]jj83[/bold] wrote: Can we all try to be a bit more positive perhaps? I'm very proud to be from Bradford and so should every other Bradfordian 'cause it's a great city and has so much to offer. Of course the City Park will improve the environment and attract more people to the city center. Most people from other cities would be more than chuffed if something like this was being built in their community, so why can't we? and it's going to be a lot better than what was there before isn't it? It will make the atmosphere and vibe around the city center so much better if we could all just stop complaining about it and just enjoy it! and 20 odd million Isn't that much considering the size of the thing and the amount of improvement it will make. Once the Westfield shopping center and all the other planned redevelopment is complete, Bradford will be one of the top cities in the Uk! Maybe other people's opinion of Bradford will change if it's own people started to love the city more and talk about it more positively.[/p][/quote]Delusions of grandeur. albion

8:24am Sat 9 Oct 10

BD16 says...

jj83 wrote:
Can we all try to be a bit more positive perhaps? I'm very proud to be from Bradford and so should every other Bradfordian 'cause it's a great city and has so much to offer. Of course the City Park will improve the environment and attract more people to the city center. Most people from other cities would be more than chuffed if something like this was being built in their community, so why can't we? and it's going to be a lot better than what was there before isn't it? It will make the atmosphere and vibe around the city center so much better if we could all just stop complaining about it and just enjoy it! and 20 odd million Isn't that much considering the size of the thing and the amount of improvement it will make. Once the Westfield shopping center and all the other planned redevelopment is complete, Bradford will be one of the top cities in the Uk! Maybe other people's opinion of Bradford will change if it's own people started to love the city more and talk about it more positively.
I posted what I consider to be some of Bradfords problems on Friday. Whilst I agree with your sentiment, with regret, I cannot say that I love Bradford anymore. When we have gone from an industrious city full of proud, hard working people, to where we are now. It's hard to see a way up when we still seem to be in freefall.
You are right when you say that when Westfield opens we will be on the right track but when will that be? I don't shop very often in Bradford. The last time I went I decided the £ shops, Greggs bakers, bookies and boarded up shops are not what I want. Now I go to Leeds. Like many others I would love to be able to say with pride that I come from Bradford but that time will not be soon.
Oh, by the way. It's centre not center.
[quote][p][bold]jj83[/bold] wrote: Can we all try to be a bit more positive perhaps? I'm very proud to be from Bradford and so should every other Bradfordian 'cause it's a great city and has so much to offer. Of course the City Park will improve the environment and attract more people to the city center. Most people from other cities would be more than chuffed if something like this was being built in their community, so why can't we? and it's going to be a lot better than what was there before isn't it? It will make the atmosphere and vibe around the city center so much better if we could all just stop complaining about it and just enjoy it! and 20 odd million Isn't that much considering the size of the thing and the amount of improvement it will make. Once the Westfield shopping center and all the other planned redevelopment is complete, Bradford will be one of the top cities in the Uk! Maybe other people's opinion of Bradford will change if it's own people started to love the city more and talk about it more positively.[/p][/quote]I posted what I consider to be some of Bradfords problems on Friday. Whilst I agree with your sentiment, with regret, I cannot say that I love Bradford anymore. When we have gone from an industrious city full of proud, hard working people, to where we are now. It's hard to see a way up when we still seem to be in freefall. You are right when you say that when Westfield opens we will be on the right track but when will that be? I don't shop very often in Bradford. The last time I went I decided the £ shops, Greggs bakers, bookies and boarded up shops are not what I want. Now I go to Leeds. Like many others I would love to be able to say with pride that I come from Bradford but that time will not be soon. Oh, by the way. It's centre not center. BD16

9:00am Sat 9 Oct 10

jj83 says...

BD16 wrote:
jj83 wrote: Can we all try to be a bit more positive perhaps? I'm very proud to be from Bradford and so should every other Bradfordian 'cause it's a great city and has so much to offer. Of course the City Park will improve the environment and attract more people to the city center. Most people from other cities would be more than chuffed if something like this was being built in their community, so why can't we? and it's going to be a lot better than what was there before isn't it? It will make the atmosphere and vibe around the city center so much better if we could all just stop complaining about it and just enjoy it! and 20 odd million Isn't that much considering the size of the thing and the amount of improvement it will make. Once the Westfield shopping center and all the other planned redevelopment is complete, Bradford will be one of the top cities in the Uk! Maybe other people's opinion of Bradford will change if it's own people started to love the city more and talk about it more positively.
I posted what I consider to be some of Bradfords problems on Friday. Whilst I agree with your sentiment, with regret, I cannot say that I love Bradford anymore. When we have gone from an industrious city full of proud, hard working people, to where we are now. It's hard to see a way up when we still seem to be in freefall. You are right when you say that when Westfield opens we will be on the right track but when will that be? I don't shop very often in Bradford. The last time I went I decided the £ shops, Greggs bakers, bookies and boarded up shops are not what I want. Now I go to Leeds. Like many others I would love to be able to say with pride that I come from Bradford but that time will not be soon. Oh, by the way. It's centre not center.
The reason why the centre of Leeds is better than Bradford's at the moment is purely because of the money that has been put into it. 15-20 years ago Leeds was in a lot worse state than what Bradford is at the moment and no one would have travelled to shop there. So who's to say Bradford can't be as good as Leeds in 15 years time? Bradford has so much potential to be great again but just needs the investment. But who's going to invest in Bradford if it's own people keep slagging it off all the time?
[quote][p][bold]BD16[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]jj83[/bold] wrote: Can we all try to be a bit more positive perhaps? I'm very proud to be from Bradford and so should every other Bradfordian 'cause it's a great city and has so much to offer. Of course the City Park will improve the environment and attract more people to the city center. Most people from other cities would be more than chuffed if something like this was being built in their community, so why can't we? and it's going to be a lot better than what was there before isn't it? It will make the atmosphere and vibe around the city center so much better if we could all just stop complaining about it and just enjoy it! and 20 odd million Isn't that much considering the size of the thing and the amount of improvement it will make. Once the Westfield shopping center and all the other planned redevelopment is complete, Bradford will be one of the top cities in the Uk! Maybe other people's opinion of Bradford will change if it's own people started to love the city more and talk about it more positively.[/p][/quote]I posted what I consider to be some of Bradfords problems on Friday. Whilst I agree with your sentiment, with regret, I cannot say that I love Bradford anymore. When we have gone from an industrious city full of proud, hard working people, to where we are now. It's hard to see a way up when we still seem to be in freefall. You are right when you say that when Westfield opens we will be on the right track but when will that be? I don't shop very often in Bradford. The last time I went I decided the £ shops, Greggs bakers, bookies and boarded up shops are not what I want. Now I go to Leeds. Like many others I would love to be able to say with pride that I come from Bradford but that time will not be soon. Oh, by the way. It's centre not center.[/p][/quote]The reason why the centre of Leeds is better than Bradford's at the moment is purely because of the money that has been put into it. 15-20 years ago Leeds was in a lot worse state than what Bradford is at the moment and no one would have travelled to shop there. So who's to say Bradford can't be as good as Leeds in 15 years time? Bradford has so much potential to be great again but just needs the investment. But who's going to invest in Bradford if it's own people keep slagging it off all the time? jj83

9:23am Sat 9 Oct 10

albion says...

jj83 wrote:
BD16 wrote:
jj83 wrote: Can we all try to be a bit more positive perhaps? I'm very proud to be from Bradford and so should every other Bradfordian 'cause it's a great city and has so much to offer. Of course the City Park will improve the environment and attract more people to the city center. Most people from other cities would be more than chuffed if something like this was being built in their community, so why can't we? and it's going to be a lot better than what was there before isn't it? It will make the atmosphere and vibe around the city center so much better if we could all just stop complaining about it and just enjoy it! and 20 odd million Isn't that much considering the size of the thing and the amount of improvement it will make. Once the Westfield shopping center and all the other planned redevelopment is complete, Bradford will be one of the top cities in the Uk! Maybe other people's opinion of Bradford will change if it's own people started to love the city more and talk about it more positively.
I posted what I consider to be some of Bradfords problems on Friday. Whilst I agree with your sentiment, with regret, I cannot say that I love Bradford anymore. When we have gone from an industrious city full of proud, hard working people, to where we are now. It's hard to see a way up when we still seem to be in freefall. You are right when you say that when Westfield opens we will be on the right track but when will that be? I don't shop very often in Bradford. The last time I went I decided the £ shops, Greggs bakers, bookies and boarded up shops are not what I want. Now I go to Leeds. Like many others I would love to be able to say with pride that I come from Bradford but that time will not be soon. Oh, by the way. It's centre not center.
The reason why the centre of Leeds is better than Bradford's at the moment is purely because of the money that has been put into it. 15-20 years ago Leeds was in a lot worse state than what Bradford is at the moment and no one would have travelled to shop there. So who's to say Bradford can't be as good as Leeds in 15 years time? Bradford has so much potential to be great again but just needs the investment. But who's going to invest in Bradford if it's own people keep slagging it off all the time?
The reason that many business chains are reluctant to invest in Bradford is because it has become a third world city full of third world people, it is now notorious throughout the world (people offer sympathy when you mention living in or near the place), Leeds was never that and there can never be any comparison as Bradford waits (probably in vain) for its new shopping mall Leeds has half a dozen and more on the way!
[quote][p][bold]jj83[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]BD16[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]jj83[/bold] wrote: Can we all try to be a bit more positive perhaps? I'm very proud to be from Bradford and so should every other Bradfordian 'cause it's a great city and has so much to offer. Of course the City Park will improve the environment and attract more people to the city center. Most people from other cities would be more than chuffed if something like this was being built in their community, so why can't we? and it's going to be a lot better than what was there before isn't it? It will make the atmosphere and vibe around the city center so much better if we could all just stop complaining about it and just enjoy it! and 20 odd million Isn't that much considering the size of the thing and the amount of improvement it will make. Once the Westfield shopping center and all the other planned redevelopment is complete, Bradford will be one of the top cities in the Uk! Maybe other people's opinion of Bradford will change if it's own people started to love the city more and talk about it more positively.[/p][/quote]I posted what I consider to be some of Bradfords problems on Friday. Whilst I agree with your sentiment, with regret, I cannot say that I love Bradford anymore. When we have gone from an industrious city full of proud, hard working people, to where we are now. It's hard to see a way up when we still seem to be in freefall. You are right when you say that when Westfield opens we will be on the right track but when will that be? I don't shop very often in Bradford. The last time I went I decided the £ shops, Greggs bakers, bookies and boarded up shops are not what I want. Now I go to Leeds. Like many others I would love to be able to say with pride that I come from Bradford but that time will not be soon. Oh, by the way. It's centre not center.[/p][/quote]The reason why the centre of Leeds is better than Bradford's at the moment is purely because of the money that has been put into it. 15-20 years ago Leeds was in a lot worse state than what Bradford is at the moment and no one would have travelled to shop there. So who's to say Bradford can't be as good as Leeds in 15 years time? Bradford has so much potential to be great again but just needs the investment. But who's going to invest in Bradford if it's own people keep slagging it off all the time?[/p][/quote]The reason that many business chains are reluctant to invest in Bradford is because it has become a third world city full of third world people, it is now notorious throughout the world (people offer sympathy when you mention living in or near the place), Leeds was never that and there can never be any comparison as Bradford waits (probably in vain) for its new shopping mall Leeds has half a dozen and more on the way! albion

10:30am Sat 9 Oct 10

jj83 says...

Leeds is a much bigger city than Bradford so of course it's going to have more places to shop. There's nothing wrong with Bradford's Kirgate Centre, apart from it could do with a face-lift. It's better than any shopping center Leeds has in it's city centre, and when Westfield is eventually compleat two decent shopping centre's in a city of Bradford's size is more than enough.
There's no way that Bradford is notorious throughout the world. In fact Bradford has a good reputation, especialy in Japan and America. I was in Florida a few years ago and people over there were intrigued when I mentioned I was from Bradford. The area's quite famous over there because of the Bronte's.
Leeds is a much bigger city than Bradford so of course it's going to have more places to shop. There's nothing wrong with Bradford's Kirgate Centre, apart from it could do with a face-lift. It's better than any shopping center Leeds has in it's city centre, and when Westfield is eventually compleat two decent shopping centre's in a city of Bradford's size is more than enough. There's no way that Bradford is notorious throughout the world. In fact Bradford has a good reputation, especialy in Japan and America. I was in Florida a few years ago and people over there were intrigued when I mentioned I was from Bradford. The area's quite famous over there because of the Bronte's. jj83

10:35am Sat 9 Oct 10

BD16 says...

jj83 wrote:
BD16 wrote:
jj83 wrote: Can we all try to be a bit more positive perhaps? I'm very proud to be from Bradford and so should every other Bradfordian 'cause it's a great city and has so much to offer. Of course the City Park will improve the environment and attract more people to the city center. Most people from other cities would be more than chuffed if something like this was being built in their community, so why can't we? and it's going to be a lot better than what was there before isn't it? It will make the atmosphere and vibe around the city center so much better if we could all just stop complaining about it and just enjoy it! and 20 odd million Isn't that much considering the size of the thing and the amount of improvement it will make. Once the Westfield shopping center and all the other planned redevelopment is complete, Bradford will be one of the top cities in the Uk! Maybe other people's opinion of Bradford will change if it's own people started to love the city more and talk about it more positively.
I posted what I consider to be some of Bradfords problems on Friday. Whilst I agree with your sentiment, with regret, I cannot say that I love Bradford anymore. When we have gone from an industrious city full of proud, hard working people, to where we are now. It's hard to see a way up when we still seem to be in freefall. You are right when you say that when Westfield opens we will be on the right track but when will that be? I don't shop very often in Bradford. The last time I went I decided the £ shops, Greggs bakers, bookies and boarded up shops are not what I want. Now I go to Leeds. Like many others I would love to be able to say with pride that I come from Bradford but that time will not be soon. Oh, by the way. It's centre not center.
The reason why the centre of Leeds is better than Bradford's at the moment is purely because of the money that has been put into it. 15-20 years ago Leeds was in a lot worse state than what Bradford is at the moment and no one would have travelled to shop there. So who's to say Bradford can't be as good as Leeds in 15 years time? Bradford has so much potential to be great again but just needs the investment. But who's going to invest in Bradford if it's own people keep slagging it off all the time?
Bradford has so much potential. I agree 100% with you but what I cannot get across to you is what I regard to be the obstacles that are holding it back. Leeds was never as bad as Bradford is now and I doubt that Bradfordians running the place down will make a blind bit of difference in a London boardroom when decisions are made as to which developments and investments will give the best return. What does need to happen is that the whole of Bradford stops wallowing in self pity and blaming a different community, race, culture and start presenting the world with a positive image that will encourage businesses to invest in Bradford.
[quote][p][bold]jj83[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]BD16[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]jj83[/bold] wrote: Can we all try to be a bit more positive perhaps? I'm very proud to be from Bradford and so should every other Bradfordian 'cause it's a great city and has so much to offer. Of course the City Park will improve the environment and attract more people to the city center. Most people from other cities would be more than chuffed if something like this was being built in their community, so why can't we? and it's going to be a lot better than what was there before isn't it? It will make the atmosphere and vibe around the city center so much better if we could all just stop complaining about it and just enjoy it! and 20 odd million Isn't that much considering the size of the thing and the amount of improvement it will make. Once the Westfield shopping center and all the other planned redevelopment is complete, Bradford will be one of the top cities in the Uk! Maybe other people's opinion of Bradford will change if it's own people started to love the city more and talk about it more positively.[/p][/quote]I posted what I consider to be some of Bradfords problems on Friday. Whilst I agree with your sentiment, with regret, I cannot say that I love Bradford anymore. When we have gone from an industrious city full of proud, hard working people, to where we are now. It's hard to see a way up when we still seem to be in freefall. You are right when you say that when Westfield opens we will be on the right track but when will that be? I don't shop very often in Bradford. The last time I went I decided the £ shops, Greggs bakers, bookies and boarded up shops are not what I want. Now I go to Leeds. Like many others I would love to be able to say with pride that I come from Bradford but that time will not be soon. Oh, by the way. It's centre not center.[/p][/quote]The reason why the centre of Leeds is better than Bradford's at the moment is purely because of the money that has been put into it. 15-20 years ago Leeds was in a lot worse state than what Bradford is at the moment and no one would have travelled to shop there. So who's to say Bradford can't be as good as Leeds in 15 years time? Bradford has so much potential to be great again but just needs the investment. But who's going to invest in Bradford if it's own people keep slagging it off all the time?[/p][/quote]Bradford has so much potential. I agree 100% with you but what I cannot get across to you is what I regard to be the obstacles that are holding it back. Leeds was never as bad as Bradford is now and I doubt that Bradfordians running the place down will make a blind bit of difference in a London boardroom when decisions are made as to which developments and investments will give the best return. What does need to happen is that the whole of Bradford stops wallowing in self pity and blaming a different community, race, culture and start presenting the world with a positive image that will encourage businesses to invest in Bradford. BD16

10:58am Sat 9 Oct 10

Moon on a stick says...

People in Bradford aren't wallowing in self pity, frankly you're being patronising.
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People speak up about the problems that concern them such as the lack of progress at the Westfield site, about the attempts to destroy heritage such as the Odeon, for failing to support independant businesses. It's right and proper for people to speak up.
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Given the council keep harping on about the Unesco City of Film they could use that as justification to restore the Odeon make it a centrepiece maybe linking in events with the Photography museum. Councillors and MPs could lobby the treasury and VOA to discuss a wholesale across the board revaluation of Bradford to reduce business rates.
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Businesses won't invest in Bradford on positive talk and spin alone, don't you remember the Bradford's Bouncing Back campaign for example, what happened, can't be much as the city is far worse now.
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Businesses speak cash, you need to have businesses parks, incentives and business rates that are in proportion to foot fall and the wealth of the economy. You also need cheap or free parking for retail.
People in Bradford aren't wallowing in self pity, frankly you're being patronising. . People speak up about the problems that concern them such as the lack of progress at the Westfield site, about the attempts to destroy heritage such as the Odeon, for failing to support independant businesses. It's right and proper for people to speak up. . Given the council keep harping on about the Unesco City of Film they could use that as justification to restore the Odeon make it a centrepiece maybe linking in events with the Photography museum. Councillors and MPs could lobby the treasury and VOA to discuss a wholesale across the board revaluation of Bradford to reduce business rates. . Businesses won't invest in Bradford on positive talk and spin alone, don't you remember the Bradford's Bouncing Back campaign for example, what happened, can't be much as the city is far worse now. . Businesses speak cash, you need to have businesses parks, incentives and business rates that are in proportion to foot fall and the wealth of the economy. You also need cheap or free parking for retail. Moon on a stick

11:36am Sat 9 Oct 10

bredandbuttered says...

I just want to go on record that I love Bradford, have live here for a number od decades, never moved properly but always thought about it. (I fancy the seaside).
I keep my hopes up for some real improvement, but fear I will be sadly gone by then, or I'll just get more and more mad with it!
If we could have kept our eyes, all of us, on the ball and let immigration mean integration, education mean proper schooling, policing mean community care, bulding mean improving, then maybe, fifiteen or twenty years ago and with a very different series of councellors, we might have scraped through and had something tidier socially and environmentally.
The movements towards integration, tolerance, safer environment etc are in place, whether the ball starts rolling I don't know, but fingers crossed.
I just don't have much patience any more.
One sign of tolerance on Thursday dinnertime in Heaton was the sight of seven lads from St.Bedes, three Black, two white, one Sikh and one Pakistani, all sat together behind the Village Hall, having a spliff and chatting away as if they were all of the same culture, whilst a couple of pakistani kids sat in the church doorway rolling a fat one.
There IS hope for this country, I said to myself, but not fior a long while.
I just want to go on record that I love Bradford, have live here for a number od decades, never moved properly but always thought about it. (I fancy the seaside). I keep my hopes up for some real improvement, but fear I will be sadly gone by then, or I'll just get more and more mad with it! If we could have kept our eyes, all of us, on the ball and let immigration mean integration, education mean proper schooling, policing mean community care, bulding mean improving, then maybe, fifiteen or twenty years ago and with a very different series of councellors, we might have scraped through and had something tidier socially and environmentally. The movements towards integration, tolerance, safer environment etc are in place, whether the ball starts rolling I don't know, but fingers crossed. I just don't have much patience any more. One sign of tolerance on Thursday dinnertime in Heaton was the sight of seven lads from St.Bedes, three Black, two white, one Sikh and one Pakistani, all sat together behind the Village Hall, having a spliff and chatting away as if they were all of the same culture, whilst a couple of pakistani kids sat in the church doorway rolling a fat one. There IS hope for this country, I said to myself, but not fior a long while. bredandbuttered

12:47pm Sat 9 Oct 10

BD16 says...

Moon on a stick wrote:
People in Bradford aren't wallowing in self pity, frankly you're being patronising. . People speak up about the problems that concern them such as the lack of progress at the Westfield site, about the attempts to destroy heritage such as the Odeon, for failing to support independant businesses. It's right and proper for people to speak up. . Given the council keep harping on about the Unesco City of Film they could use that as justification to restore the Odeon make it a centrepiece maybe linking in events with the Photography museum. Councillors and MPs could lobby the treasury and VOA to discuss a wholesale across the board revaluation of Bradford to reduce business rates. . Businesses won't invest in Bradford on positive talk and spin alone, don't you remember the Bradford's Bouncing Back campaign for example, what happened, can't be much as the city is far worse now. . Businesses speak cash, you need to have businesses parks, incentives and business rates that are in proportion to foot fall and the wealth of the economy. You also need cheap or free parking for retail.
Patronising? I might not have chosen my words as carefully as I might but you cannot deny that a lot of people in Bradford want to moan, groan and complain. Read the number of posts that slag off the council, the asian community and anybody else for the problems Bradford has. How do you define that?
I also think you make some very valid points about regenerating the City.
[quote][p][bold]Moon on a stick[/bold] wrote: People in Bradford aren't wallowing in self pity, frankly you're being patronising. . People speak up about the problems that concern them such as the lack of progress at the Westfield site, about the attempts to destroy heritage such as the Odeon, for failing to support independant businesses. It's right and proper for people to speak up. . Given the council keep harping on about the Unesco City of Film they could use that as justification to restore the Odeon make it a centrepiece maybe linking in events with the Photography museum. Councillors and MPs could lobby the treasury and VOA to discuss a wholesale across the board revaluation of Bradford to reduce business rates. . Businesses won't invest in Bradford on positive talk and spin alone, don't you remember the Bradford's Bouncing Back campaign for example, what happened, can't be much as the city is far worse now. . Businesses speak cash, you need to have businesses parks, incentives and business rates that are in proportion to foot fall and the wealth of the economy. You also need cheap or free parking for retail.[/p][/quote]Patronising? I might not have chosen my words as carefully as I might but you cannot deny that a lot of people in Bradford want to moan, groan and complain. Read the number of posts that slag off the council, the asian community and anybody else for the problems Bradford has. How do you define that? I also think you make some very valid points about regenerating the City. BD16

2:50pm Sat 9 Oct 10

PotCallingKettle says...

I wonder how many of you actually live in Bradford? I DO
I wonder how many of you actually live in Bradford? I DO PotCallingKettle

3:50pm Sat 9 Oct 10

BD16 says...

PotCallingKettle wrote:
I wonder how many of you actually live in Bradford? I DO
I am Bradford born and bred and have lived here all of my life. I have to confess that I am starting to move away from the district and if things don't change I will be gone in a few years. It's because I do care that I ave hung around this long.
[quote][p][bold]PotCallingKettle[/bold] wrote: I wonder how many of you actually live in Bradford? I DO[/p][/quote]I am Bradford born and bred and have lived here all of my life. I have to confess that I am starting to move away from the district and if things don't change I will be gone in a few years. It's because I do care that I ave hung around this long. BD16

4:25pm Sat 9 Oct 10

bredandbuttered says...

The Yorks Post has just reported a predicted 20% increase in population for Yorkshire by I think 2025?, due to immigration, larger families and the elderly living longer.
So we need a million new jobs pretty quickly?!
The Yorks Post has just reported a predicted 20% increase in population for Yorkshire by I think 2025?, due to immigration, larger families and the elderly living longer. So we need a million new jobs pretty quickly?! bredandbuttered

6:12pm Sat 9 Oct 10

albion says...

BD16 wrote:
Moon on a stick wrote:
People in Bradford aren't wallowing in self pity, frankly you're being patronising. . People speak up about the problems that concern them such as the lack of progress at the Westfield site, about the attempts to destroy heritage such as the Odeon, for failing to support independant businesses. It's right and proper for people to speak up. . Given the council keep harping on about the Unesco City of Film they could use that as justification to restore the Odeon make it a centrepiece maybe linking in events with the Photography museum. Councillors and MPs could lobby the treasury and VOA to discuss a wholesale across the board revaluation of Bradford to reduce business rates. . Businesses won't invest in Bradford on positive talk and spin alone, don't you remember the Bradford's Bouncing Back campaign for example, what happened, can't be much as the city is far worse now. . Businesses speak cash, you need to have businesses parks, incentives and business rates that are in proportion to foot fall and the wealth of the economy. You also need cheap or free parking for retail.
Patronising? I might not have chosen my words as carefully as I might but you cannot deny that a lot of people in Bradford want to moan, groan and complain. Read the number of posts that slag off the council, the asian community and anybody else for the problems Bradford has. How do you define that?
I also think you make some very valid points about regenerating the City.
Posts slag off the council for what it has done to the structure of the city centre, most of them are fully justified and OFTEN remarkably well informed.
No reasonably minded person could blame immigrants coming here especially when one considers where they have come from and that the government actively encouraged them a few decades ago despite reservations from many of the native population.
But the changing face of the city the changing customs etc are a problem and even many of those who are immigrants are now saying that enough is enough.
Bradford has slumped to such an extent that Westfield even reduced the number of retail units in its PROPOSED development and still couldnt fill more than half and of those only one wasnt currently trading in the city or metropolitan borough, which would eventually lead to even more empty units in the rest of the city.
There are those who think an unwanted (by many people) park and a completed Westfield would encourage other units to be utilised throughout the city but that could prove to be a massive gamble which backfires in spectacular fashion.
I enjoyed my trip to another city today, just as I do every Saturday.
[quote][p][bold]BD16[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Moon on a stick[/bold] wrote: People in Bradford aren't wallowing in self pity, frankly you're being patronising. . People speak up about the problems that concern them such as the lack of progress at the Westfield site, about the attempts to destroy heritage such as the Odeon, for failing to support independant businesses. It's right and proper for people to speak up. . Given the council keep harping on about the Unesco City of Film they could use that as justification to restore the Odeon make it a centrepiece maybe linking in events with the Photography museum. Councillors and MPs could lobby the treasury and VOA to discuss a wholesale across the board revaluation of Bradford to reduce business rates. . Businesses won't invest in Bradford on positive talk and spin alone, don't you remember the Bradford's Bouncing Back campaign for example, what happened, can't be much as the city is far worse now. . Businesses speak cash, you need to have businesses parks, incentives and business rates that are in proportion to foot fall and the wealth of the economy. You also need cheap or free parking for retail.[/p][/quote]Patronising? I might not have chosen my words as carefully as I might but you cannot deny that a lot of people in Bradford want to moan, groan and complain. Read the number of posts that slag off the council, the asian community and anybody else for the problems Bradford has. How do you define that? I also think you make some very valid points about regenerating the City.[/p][/quote]Posts slag off the council for what it has done to the structure of the city centre, most of them are fully justified and OFTEN remarkably well informed. No reasonably minded person could blame immigrants coming here especially when one considers where they have come from and that the government actively encouraged them a few decades ago despite reservations from many of the native population. But the changing face of the city the changing customs etc are a problem and even many of those who are immigrants are now saying that enough is enough. Bradford has slumped to such an extent that Westfield even reduced the number of retail units in its PROPOSED development and still couldnt fill more than half and of those only one wasnt currently trading in the city or metropolitan borough, which would eventually lead to even more empty units in the rest of the city. There are those who think an unwanted (by many people) park and a completed Westfield would encourage other units to be utilised throughout the city but that could prove to be a massive gamble which backfires in spectacular fashion. I enjoyed my trip to another city today, just as I do every Saturday. albion

6:52pm Sat 9 Oct 10

Up with the partridge says...

jj83 wrote:
Can we all try to be a bit more positive perhaps? I'm very proud to be from Bradford and so should every other Bradfordian 'cause it's a great city and has so much to offer. Of course the City Park will improve the environment and attract more people to the city center. Most people from other cities would be more than chuffed if something like this was being built in their community, so why can't we? and it's going to be a lot better than what was there before isn't it? It will make the atmosphere and vibe around the city center so much better if we could all just stop complaining about it and just enjoy it! and 20 odd million Isn't that much considering the size of the thing and the amount of improvement it will make. Once the Westfield shopping center and all the other planned redevelopment is complete, Bradford will be one of the top cities in the Uk! Maybe other people's opinion of Bradford will change if it's own people started to love the city more and talk about it more positively.
All it has to offer is the M606 heading towards the 62 and out of the place
[quote][p][bold]jj83[/bold] wrote: Can we all try to be a bit more positive perhaps? I'm very proud to be from Bradford and so should every other Bradfordian 'cause it's a great city and has so much to offer. Of course the City Park will improve the environment and attract more people to the city center. Most people from other cities would be more than chuffed if something like this was being built in their community, so why can't we? and it's going to be a lot better than what was there before isn't it? It will make the atmosphere and vibe around the city center so much better if we could all just stop complaining about it and just enjoy it! and 20 odd million Isn't that much considering the size of the thing and the amount of improvement it will make. Once the Westfield shopping center and all the other planned redevelopment is complete, Bradford will be one of the top cities in the Uk! Maybe other people's opinion of Bradford will change if it's own people started to love the city more and talk about it more positively.[/p][/quote]All it has to offer is the M606 heading towards the 62 and out of the place Up with the partridge

7:00pm Sat 9 Oct 10

Willard says...

Why are we looking at retail as our saviour?? In order to buy stuff, people need to earn money. The reason Leeds is doing better is that it is one a through rail link and not two disconnected cul-de-sacs. It is on a motorway network and not a disconnected......et
c. Leeds centre has underpasses, a couple of Universities, my lad managed 12 months of his two year course at Bradford College before they pulled the funding for his course just a few weeks from the end of his first year, the result...he now has to travel to Halifax of all places and has the whole two years to do again. Westfield shopping is not the answer, proper jobs are. There are more than enough retail units left. Let people go and shop in Leeds, but lets make sure they earn their money in Bradford.
Why are we looking at retail as our saviour?? In order to buy stuff, people need to earn money. The reason Leeds is doing better is that it is one a through rail link and not two disconnected cul-de-sacs. It is on a motorway network and not a disconnected......et c. Leeds centre has underpasses, a couple of Universities, my lad managed 12 months of his two year course at Bradford College before they pulled the funding for his course just a few weeks from the end of his first year, the result...he now has to travel to Halifax of all places and has the whole two years to do again. Westfield shopping is not the answer, proper jobs are. There are more than enough retail units left. Let people go and shop in Leeds, but lets make sure they earn their money in Bradford. Willard

7:34pm Sat 9 Oct 10

jj83 says...

albion wrote:
jj83 wrote:
BD16 wrote:
jj83 wrote: Can we all try to be a bit more positive perhaps? I'm very proud to be from Bradford and so should every other Bradfordian 'cause it's a great city and has so much to offer. Of course the City Park will improve the environment and attract more people to the city center. Most people from other cities would be more than chuffed if something like this was being built in their community, so why can't we? and it's going to be a lot better than what was there before isn't it? It will make the atmosphere and vibe around the city center so much better if we could all just stop complaining about it and just enjoy it! and 20 odd million Isn't that much considering the size of the thing and the amount of improvement it will make. Once the Westfield shopping center and all the other planned redevelopment is complete, Bradford will be one of the top cities in the Uk! Maybe other people's opinion of Bradford will change if it's own people started to love the city more and talk about it more positively.
I posted what I consider to be some of Bradfords problems on Friday. Whilst I agree with your sentiment, with regret, I cannot say that I love Bradford anymore. When we have gone from an industrious city full of proud, hard working people, to where we are now. It's hard to see a way up when we still seem to be in freefall. You are right when you say that when Westfield opens we will be on the right track but when will that be? I don't shop very often in Bradford. The last time I went I decided the £ shops, Greggs bakers, bookies and boarded up shops are not what I want. Now I go to Leeds. Like many others I would love to be able to say with pride that I come from Bradford but that time will not be soon. Oh, by the way. It's centre not center.
The reason why the centre of Leeds is better than Bradford's at the moment is purely because of the money that has been put into it. 15-20 years ago Leeds was in a lot worse state than what Bradford is at the moment and no one would have travelled to shop there. So who's to say Bradford can't be as good as Leeds in 15 years time? Bradford has so much potential to be great again but just needs the investment. But who's going to invest in Bradford if it's own people keep slagging it off all the time?
The reason that many business chains are reluctant to invest in Bradford is because it has become a third world city full of third world people, it is now notorious throughout the world (people offer sympathy when you mention living in or near the place), Leeds was never that and there can never be any comparison as Bradford waits (probably in vain) for its new shopping mall Leeds has half a dozen and more on the way!
Leeds is a much bigger city than Bradford so of course it's going to have more places to shop. There's nothing wrong with Bradford's Kirgate Centre, apart from it could do with a face-lift. It's better than any shopping center Leeds has in it's city centre, and when Westfield is eventually compleat two decent shopping centre's in a city of Bradford's size is more than enough.
There's no way that Bradford is notorious throughout the world. In fact Bradford has a good reputation, especialy in Japan and America. I was in Florida a few years ago and people over there were intrigued when I mentioned I was from Bradford. The area's quite well known over there because of the Bronte's and David Hockney.
[quote][p][bold]albion[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]jj83[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]BD16[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]jj83[/bold] wrote: Can we all try to be a bit more positive perhaps? I'm very proud to be from Bradford and so should every other Bradfordian 'cause it's a great city and has so much to offer. Of course the City Park will improve the environment and attract more people to the city center. Most people from other cities would be more than chuffed if something like this was being built in their community, so why can't we? and it's going to be a lot better than what was there before isn't it? It will make the atmosphere and vibe around the city center so much better if we could all just stop complaining about it and just enjoy it! and 20 odd million Isn't that much considering the size of the thing and the amount of improvement it will make. Once the Westfield shopping center and all the other planned redevelopment is complete, Bradford will be one of the top cities in the Uk! Maybe other people's opinion of Bradford will change if it's own people started to love the city more and talk about it more positively.[/p][/quote]I posted what I consider to be some of Bradfords problems on Friday. Whilst I agree with your sentiment, with regret, I cannot say that I love Bradford anymore. When we have gone from an industrious city full of proud, hard working people, to where we are now. It's hard to see a way up when we still seem to be in freefall. You are right when you say that when Westfield opens we will be on the right track but when will that be? I don't shop very often in Bradford. The last time I went I decided the £ shops, Greggs bakers, bookies and boarded up shops are not what I want. Now I go to Leeds. Like many others I would love to be able to say with pride that I come from Bradford but that time will not be soon. Oh, by the way. It's centre not center.[/p][/quote]The reason why the centre of Leeds is better than Bradford's at the moment is purely because of the money that has been put into it. 15-20 years ago Leeds was in a lot worse state than what Bradford is at the moment and no one would have travelled to shop there. So who's to say Bradford can't be as good as Leeds in 15 years time? Bradford has so much potential to be great again but just needs the investment. But who's going to invest in Bradford if it's own people keep slagging it off all the time?[/p][/quote]The reason that many business chains are reluctant to invest in Bradford is because it has become a third world city full of third world people, it is now notorious throughout the world (people offer sympathy when you mention living in or near the place), Leeds was never that and there can never be any comparison as Bradford waits (probably in vain) for its new shopping mall Leeds has half a dozen and more on the way![/p][/quote]Leeds is a much bigger city than Bradford so of course it's going to have more places to shop. There's nothing wrong with Bradford's Kirgate Centre, apart from it could do with a face-lift. It's better than any shopping center Leeds has in it's city centre, and when Westfield is eventually compleat two decent shopping centre's in a city of Bradford's size is more than enough. There's no way that Bradford is notorious throughout the world. In fact Bradford has a good reputation, especialy in Japan and America. I was in Florida a few years ago and people over there were intrigued when I mentioned I was from Bradford. The area's quite well known over there because of the Bronte's and David Hockney. jj83

8:11pm Sat 9 Oct 10

jj83 says...

Up with the partridge wrote:
jj83 wrote: Can we all try to be a bit more positive perhaps? I'm very proud to be from Bradford and so should every other Bradfordian 'cause it's a great city and has so much to offer. Of course the City Park will improve the environment and attract more people to the city center. Most people from other cities would be more than chuffed if something like this was being built in their community, so why can't we? and it's going to be a lot better than what was there before isn't it? It will make the atmosphere and vibe around the city center so much better if we could all just stop complaining about it and just enjoy it! and 20 odd million Isn't that much considering the size of the thing and the amount of improvement it will make. Once the Westfield shopping center and all the other planned redevelopment is complete, Bradford will be one of the top cities in the Uk! Maybe other people's opinion of Bradford will change if it's own people started to love the city more and talk about it more positively.
All it has to offer is the M606 heading towards the 62 and out of the place
And what about The Media Museum - the most visited museum in the Uk outside of London?? Bronte Country, The beautiful countyside, Cartwright Hall, The Theatres, Salts Mill, Ilkley...
[quote][p][bold]Up with the partridge[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]jj83[/bold] wrote: Can we all try to be a bit more positive perhaps? I'm very proud to be from Bradford and so should every other Bradfordian 'cause it's a great city and has so much to offer. Of course the City Park will improve the environment and attract more people to the city center. Most people from other cities would be more than chuffed if something like this was being built in their community, so why can't we? and it's going to be a lot better than what was there before isn't it? It will make the atmosphere and vibe around the city center so much better if we could all just stop complaining about it and just enjoy it! and 20 odd million Isn't that much considering the size of the thing and the amount of improvement it will make. Once the Westfield shopping center and all the other planned redevelopment is complete, Bradford will be one of the top cities in the Uk! Maybe other people's opinion of Bradford will change if it's own people started to love the city more and talk about it more positively.[/p][/quote]All it has to offer is the M606 heading towards the 62 and out of the place[/p][/quote]And what about The Media Museum - the most visited museum in the Uk outside of London?? Bronte Country, The beautiful countyside, Cartwright Hall, The Theatres, Salts Mill, Ilkley... jj83

8:47pm Sat 9 Oct 10

albion says...

jj83 wrote:
albion wrote:
jj83 wrote:
BD16 wrote:
jj83 wrote: Can we all try to be a bit more positive perhaps? I'm very proud to be from Bradford and so should every other Bradfordian 'cause it's a great city and has so much to offer. Of course the City Park will improve the environment and attract more people to the city center. Most people from other cities would be more than chuffed if something like this was being built in their community, so why can't we? and it's going to be a lot better than what was there before isn't it? It will make the atmosphere and vibe around the city center so much better if we could all just stop complaining about it and just enjoy it! and 20 odd million Isn't that much considering the size of the thing and the amount of improvement it will make. Once the Westfield shopping center and all the other planned redevelopment is complete, Bradford will be one of the top cities in the Uk! Maybe other people's opinion of Bradford will change if it's own people started to love the city more and talk about it more positively.
I posted what I consider to be some of Bradfords problems on Friday. Whilst I agree with your sentiment, with regret, I cannot say that I love Bradford anymore. When we have gone from an industrious city full of proud, hard working people, to where we are now. It's hard to see a way up when we still seem to be in freefall. You are right when you say that when Westfield opens we will be on the right track but when will that be? I don't shop very often in Bradford. The last time I went I decided the £ shops, Greggs bakers, bookies and boarded up shops are not what I want. Now I go to Leeds. Like many others I would love to be able to say with pride that I come from Bradford but that time will not be soon. Oh, by the way. It's centre not center.
The reason why the centre of Leeds is better than Bradford's at the moment is purely because of the money that has been put into it. 15-20 years ago Leeds was in a lot worse state than what Bradford is at the moment and no one would have travelled to shop there. So who's to say Bradford can't be as good as Leeds in 15 years time? Bradford has so much potential to be great again but just needs the investment. But who's going to invest in Bradford if it's own people keep slagging it off all the time?
The reason that many business chains are reluctant to invest in Bradford is because it has become a third world city full of third world people, it is now notorious throughout the world (people offer sympathy when you mention living in or near the place), Leeds was never that and there can never be any comparison as Bradford waits (probably in vain) for its new shopping mall Leeds has half a dozen and more on the way!
Leeds is a much bigger city than Bradford so of course it's going to have more places to shop. There's nothing wrong with Bradford's Kirgate Centre, apart from it could do with a face-lift. It's better than any shopping center Leeds has in it's city centre, and when Westfield is eventually compleat two decent shopping centre's in a city of Bradford's size is more than enough.
There's no way that Bradford is notorious throughout the world. In fact Bradford has a good reputation, especialy in Japan and America. I was in Florida a few years ago and people over there were intrigued when I mentioned I was from Bradford. The area's quite well known over there because of the Bronte's and David Hockney.
One of whom lives abroad and the others are dead.
[quote][p][bold]jj83[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]albion[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]jj83[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]BD16[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]jj83[/bold] wrote: Can we all try to be a bit more positive perhaps? I'm very proud to be from Bradford and so should every other Bradfordian 'cause it's a great city and has so much to offer. Of course the City Park will improve the environment and attract more people to the city center. Most people from other cities would be more than chuffed if something like this was being built in their community, so why can't we? and it's going to be a lot better than what was there before isn't it? It will make the atmosphere and vibe around the city center so much better if we could all just stop complaining about it and just enjoy it! and 20 odd million Isn't that much considering the size of the thing and the amount of improvement it will make. Once the Westfield shopping center and all the other planned redevelopment is complete, Bradford will be one of the top cities in the Uk! Maybe other people's opinion of Bradford will change if it's own people started to love the city more and talk about it more positively.[/p][/quote]I posted what I consider to be some of Bradfords problems on Friday. Whilst I agree with your sentiment, with regret, I cannot say that I love Bradford anymore. When we have gone from an industrious city full of proud, hard working people, to where we are now. It's hard to see a way up when we still seem to be in freefall. You are right when you say that when Westfield opens we will be on the right track but when will that be? I don't shop very often in Bradford. The last time I went I decided the £ shops, Greggs bakers, bookies and boarded up shops are not what I want. Now I go to Leeds. Like many others I would love to be able to say with pride that I come from Bradford but that time will not be soon. Oh, by the way. It's centre not center.[/p][/quote]The reason why the centre of Leeds is better than Bradford's at the moment is purely because of the money that has been put into it. 15-20 years ago Leeds was in a lot worse state than what Bradford is at the moment and no one would have travelled to shop there. So who's to say Bradford can't be as good as Leeds in 15 years time? Bradford has so much potential to be great again but just needs the investment. But who's going to invest in Bradford if it's own people keep slagging it off all the time?[/p][/quote]The reason that many business chains are reluctant to invest in Bradford is because it has become a third world city full of third world people, it is now notorious throughout the world (people offer sympathy when you mention living in or near the place), Leeds was never that and there can never be any comparison as Bradford waits (probably in vain) for its new shopping mall Leeds has half a dozen and more on the way![/p][/quote]Leeds is a much bigger city than Bradford so of course it's going to have more places to shop. There's nothing wrong with Bradford's Kirgate Centre, apart from it could do with a face-lift. It's better than any shopping center Leeds has in it's city centre, and when Westfield is eventually compleat two decent shopping centre's in a city of Bradford's size is more than enough. There's no way that Bradford is notorious throughout the world. In fact Bradford has a good reputation, especialy in Japan and America. I was in Florida a few years ago and people over there were intrigued when I mentioned I was from Bradford. The area's quite well known over there because of the Bronte's and David Hockney.[/p][/quote]One of whom lives abroad and the others are dead. albion

8:51pm Sat 9 Oct 10

albion says...

jj83 wrote:
albion wrote:
jj83 wrote:
BD16 wrote:
jj83 wrote: Can we all try to be a bit more positive perhaps? I'm very proud to be from Bradford and so should every other Bradfordian 'cause it's a great city and has so much to offer. Of course the City Park will improve the environment and attract more people to the city center. Most people from other cities would be more than chuffed if something like this was being built in their community, so why can't we? and it's going to be a lot better than what was there before isn't it? It will make the atmosphere and vibe around the city center so much better if we could all just stop complaining about it and just enjoy it! and 20 odd million Isn't that much considering the size of the thing and the amount of improvement it will make. Once the Westfield shopping center and all the other planned redevelopment is complete, Bradford will be one of the top cities in the Uk! Maybe other people's opinion of Bradford will change if it's own people started to love the city more and talk about it more positively.
I posted what I consider to be some of Bradfords problems on Friday. Whilst I agree with your sentiment, with regret, I cannot say that I love Bradford anymore. When we have gone from an industrious city full of proud, hard working people, to where we are now. It's hard to see a way up when we still seem to be in freefall. You are right when you say that when Westfield opens we will be on the right track but when will that be? I don't shop very often in Bradford. The last time I went I decided the £ shops, Greggs bakers, bookies and boarded up shops are not what I want. Now I go to Leeds. Like many others I would love to be able to say with pride that I come from Bradford but that time will not be soon. Oh, by the way. It's centre not center.
The reason why the centre of Leeds is better than Bradford's at the moment is purely because of the money that has been put into it. 15-20 years ago Leeds was in a lot worse state than what Bradford is at the moment and no one would have travelled to shop there. So who's to say Bradford can't be as good as Leeds in 15 years time? Bradford has so much potential to be great again but just needs the investment. But who's going to invest in Bradford if it's own people keep slagging it off all the time?
The reason that many business chains are reluctant to invest in Bradford is because it has become a third world city full of third world people, it is now notorious throughout the world (people offer sympathy when you mention living in or near the place), Leeds was never that and there can never be any comparison as Bradford waits (probably in vain) for its new shopping mall Leeds has half a dozen and more on the way!
Leeds is a much bigger city than Bradford so of course it's going to have more places to shop. There's nothing wrong with Bradford's Kirgate Centre, apart from it could do with a face-lift. It's better than any shopping center Leeds has in it's city centre, and when Westfield is eventually compleat two decent shopping centre's in a city of Bradford's size is more than enough.
There's no way that Bradford is notorious throughout the world. In fact Bradford has a good reputation, especialy in Japan and America. I was in Florida a few years ago and people over there were intrigued when I mentioned I was from Bradford. The area's quite well known over there because of the Bronte's and David Hockney.
Your experience with reactions from people are obviously different to mine, so the Arndale centre is better than any of the shopping centres in Leeds? Well if you are fifteen or want to buy cheap tat that may well seem to be the case.
[quote][p][bold]jj83[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]albion[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]jj83[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]BD16[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]jj83[/bold] wrote: Can we all try to be a bit more positive perhaps? I'm very proud to be from Bradford and so should every other Bradfordian 'cause it's a great city and has so much to offer. Of course the City Park will improve the environment and attract more people to the city center. Most people from other cities would be more than chuffed if something like this was being built in their community, so why can't we? and it's going to be a lot better than what was there before isn't it? It will make the atmosphere and vibe around the city center so much better if we could all just stop complaining about it and just enjoy it! and 20 odd million Isn't that much considering the size of the thing and the amount of improvement it will make. Once the Westfield shopping center and all the other planned redevelopment is complete, Bradford will be one of the top cities in the Uk! Maybe other people's opinion of Bradford will change if it's own people started to love the city more and talk about it more positively.[/p][/quote]I posted what I consider to be some of Bradfords problems on Friday. Whilst I agree with your sentiment, with regret, I cannot say that I love Bradford anymore. When we have gone from an industrious city full of proud, hard working people, to where we are now. It's hard to see a way up when we still seem to be in freefall. You are right when you say that when Westfield opens we will be on the right track but when will that be? I don't shop very often in Bradford. The last time I went I decided the £ shops, Greggs bakers, bookies and boarded up shops are not what I want. Now I go to Leeds. Like many others I would love to be able to say with pride that I come from Bradford but that time will not be soon. Oh, by the way. It's centre not center.[/p][/quote]The reason why the centre of Leeds is better than Bradford's at the moment is purely because of the money that has been put into it. 15-20 years ago Leeds was in a lot worse state than what Bradford is at the moment and no one would have travelled to shop there. So who's to say Bradford can't be as good as Leeds in 15 years time? Bradford has so much potential to be great again but just needs the investment. But who's going to invest in Bradford if it's own people keep slagging it off all the time?[/p][/quote]The reason that many business chains are reluctant to invest in Bradford is because it has become a third world city full of third world people, it is now notorious throughout the world (people offer sympathy when you mention living in or near the place), Leeds was never that and there can never be any comparison as Bradford waits (probably in vain) for its new shopping mall Leeds has half a dozen and more on the way![/p][/quote]Leeds is a much bigger city than Bradford so of course it's going to have more places to shop. There's nothing wrong with Bradford's Kirgate Centre, apart from it could do with a face-lift. It's better than any shopping center Leeds has in it's city centre, and when Westfield is eventually compleat two decent shopping centre's in a city of Bradford's size is more than enough. There's no way that Bradford is notorious throughout the world. In fact Bradford has a good reputation, especialy in Japan and America. I was in Florida a few years ago and people over there were intrigued when I mentioned I was from Bradford. The area's quite well known over there because of the Bronte's and David Hockney.[/p][/quote]Your experience with reactions from people are obviously different to mine, so the Arndale centre is better than any of the shopping centres in Leeds? Well if you are fifteen or want to buy cheap tat that may well seem to be the case. albion

9:51pm Sat 9 Oct 10

jj83 says...

albion wrote:
jj83 wrote:
albion wrote:
jj83 wrote:
BD16 wrote:
jj83 wrote: Can we all try to be a bit more positive perhaps? I'm very proud to be from Bradford and so should every other Bradfordian 'cause it's a great city and has so much to offer. Of course the City Park will improve the environment and attract more people to the city center. Most people from other cities would be more than chuffed if something like this was being built in their community, so why can't we? and it's going to be a lot better than what was there before isn't it? It will make the atmosphere and vibe around the city center so much better if we could all just stop complaining about it and just enjoy it! and 20 odd million Isn't that much considering the size of the thing and the amount of improvement it will make. Once the Westfield shopping center and all the other planned redevelopment is complete, Bradford will be one of the top cities in the Uk! Maybe other people's opinion of Bradford will change if it's own people started to love the city more and talk about it more positively.
I posted what I consider to be some of Bradfords problems on Friday. Whilst I agree with your sentiment, with regret, I cannot say that I love Bradford anymore. When we have gone from an industrious city full of proud, hard working people, to where we are now. It's hard to see a way up when we still seem to be in freefall. You are right when you say that when Westfield opens we will be on the right track but when will that be? I don't shop very often in Bradford. The last time I went I decided the £ shops, Greggs bakers, bookies and boarded up shops are not what I want. Now I go to Leeds. Like many others I would love to be able to say with pride that I come from Bradford but that time will not be soon. Oh, by the way. It's centre not center.
The reason why the centre of Leeds is better than Bradford's at the moment is purely because of the money that has been put into it. 15-20 years ago Leeds was in a lot worse state than what Bradford is at the moment and no one would have travelled to shop there. So who's to say Bradford can't be as good as Leeds in 15 years time? Bradford has so much potential to be great again but just needs the investment. But who's going to invest in Bradford if it's own people keep slagging it off all the time?
The reason that many business chains are reluctant to invest in Bradford is because it has become a third world city full of third world people, it is now notorious throughout the world (people offer sympathy when you mention living in or near the place), Leeds was never that and there can never be any comparison as Bradford waits (probably in vain) for its new shopping mall Leeds has half a dozen and more on the way!
Leeds is a much bigger city than Bradford so of course it's going to have more places to shop. There's nothing wrong with Bradford's Kirgate Centre, apart from it could do with a face-lift. It's better than any shopping center Leeds has in it's city centre, and when Westfield is eventually compleat two decent shopping centre's in a city of Bradford's size is more than enough. There's no way that Bradford is notorious throughout the world. In fact Bradford has a good reputation, especialy in Japan and America. I was in Florida a few years ago and people over there were intrigued when I mentioned I was from Bradford. The area's quite well known over there because of the Bronte's and David Hockney.
Your experience with reactions from people are obviously different to mine, so the Arndale centre is better than any of the shopping centres in Leeds? Well if you are fifteen or want to buy cheap tat that may well seem to be the case.
Yes. The Merrion Centre is just crap, there's hardly any shops in The Core or The Light, and St Johns and Leeds Shopping Plaza are nothing special.
[quote][p][bold]albion[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]jj83[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]albion[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]jj83[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]BD16[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]jj83[/bold] wrote: Can we all try to be a bit more positive perhaps? I'm very proud to be from Bradford and so should every other Bradfordian 'cause it's a great city and has so much to offer. Of course the City Park will improve the environment and attract more people to the city center. Most people from other cities would be more than chuffed if something like this was being built in their community, so why can't we? and it's going to be a lot better than what was there before isn't it? It will make the atmosphere and vibe around the city center so much better if we could all just stop complaining about it and just enjoy it! and 20 odd million Isn't that much considering the size of the thing and the amount of improvement it will make. Once the Westfield shopping center and all the other planned redevelopment is complete, Bradford will be one of the top cities in the Uk! Maybe other people's opinion of Bradford will change if it's own people started to love the city more and talk about it more positively.[/p][/quote]I posted what I consider to be some of Bradfords problems on Friday. Whilst I agree with your sentiment, with regret, I cannot say that I love Bradford anymore. When we have gone from an industrious city full of proud, hard working people, to where we are now. It's hard to see a way up when we still seem to be in freefall. You are right when you say that when Westfield opens we will be on the right track but when will that be? I don't shop very often in Bradford. The last time I went I decided the £ shops, Greggs bakers, bookies and boarded up shops are not what I want. Now I go to Leeds. Like many others I would love to be able to say with pride that I come from Bradford but that time will not be soon. Oh, by the way. It's centre not center.[/p][/quote]The reason why the centre of Leeds is better than Bradford's at the moment is purely because of the money that has been put into it. 15-20 years ago Leeds was in a lot worse state than what Bradford is at the moment and no one would have travelled to shop there. So who's to say Bradford can't be as good as Leeds in 15 years time? Bradford has so much potential to be great again but just needs the investment. But who's going to invest in Bradford if it's own people keep slagging it off all the time?[/p][/quote]The reason that many business chains are reluctant to invest in Bradford is because it has become a third world city full of third world people, it is now notorious throughout the world (people offer sympathy when you mention living in or near the place), Leeds was never that and there can never be any comparison as Bradford waits (probably in vain) for its new shopping mall Leeds has half a dozen and more on the way![/p][/quote]Leeds is a much bigger city than Bradford so of course it's going to have more places to shop. There's nothing wrong with Bradford's Kirgate Centre, apart from it could do with a face-lift. It's better than any shopping center Leeds has in it's city centre, and when Westfield is eventually compleat two decent shopping centre's in a city of Bradford's size is more than enough. There's no way that Bradford is notorious throughout the world. In fact Bradford has a good reputation, especialy in Japan and America. I was in Florida a few years ago and people over there were intrigued when I mentioned I was from Bradford. The area's quite well known over there because of the Bronte's and David Hockney.[/p][/quote]Your experience with reactions from people are obviously different to mine, so the Arndale centre is better than any of the shopping centres in Leeds? Well if you are fifteen or want to buy cheap tat that may well seem to be the case.[/p][/quote]Yes. The Merrion Centre is just crap, there's hardly any shops in The Core or The Light, and St Johns and Leeds Shopping Plaza are nothing special. jj83

11:11pm Sat 9 Oct 10

jj83 says...

albion wrote:
jj83 wrote:
albion wrote:
jj83 wrote:
BD16 wrote:
jj83 wrote: Can we all try to be a bit more positive perhaps? I'm very proud to be from Bradford and so should every other Bradfordian 'cause it's a great city and has so much to offer. Of course the City Park will improve the environment and attract more people to the city center. Most people from other cities would be more than chuffed if something like this was being built in their community, so why can't we? and it's going to be a lot better than what was there before isn't it? It will make the atmosphere and vibe around the city center so much better if we could all just stop complaining about it and just enjoy it! and 20 odd million Isn't that much considering the size of the thing and the amount of improvement it will make. Once the Westfield shopping center and all the other planned redevelopment is complete, Bradford will be one of the top cities in the Uk! Maybe other people's opinion of Bradford will change if it's own people started to love the city more and talk about it more positively.
I posted what I consider to be some of Bradfords problems on Friday. Whilst I agree with your sentiment, with regret, I cannot say that I love Bradford anymore. When we have gone from an industrious city full of proud, hard working people, to where we are now. It's hard to see a way up when we still seem to be in freefall. You are right when you say that when Westfield opens we will be on the right track but when will that be? I don't shop very often in Bradford. The last time I went I decided the £ shops, Greggs bakers, bookies and boarded up shops are not what I want. Now I go to Leeds. Like many others I would love to be able to say with pride that I come from Bradford but that time will not be soon. Oh, by the way. It's centre not center.
The reason why the centre of Leeds is better than Bradford's at the moment is purely because of the money that has been put into it. 15-20 years ago Leeds was in a lot worse state than what Bradford is at the moment and no one would have travelled to shop there. So who's to say Bradford can't be as good as Leeds in 15 years time? Bradford has so much potential to be great again but just needs the investment. But who's going to invest in Bradford if it's own people keep slagging it off all the time?
The reason that many business chains are reluctant to invest in Bradford is because it has become a third world city full of third world people, it is now notorious throughout the world (people offer sympathy when you mention living in or near the place), Leeds was never that and there can never be any comparison as Bradford waits (probably in vain) for its new shopping mall Leeds has half a dozen and more on the way!
Leeds is a much bigger city than Bradford so of course it's going to have more places to shop. There's nothing wrong with Bradford's Kirgate Centre, apart from it could do with a face-lift. It's better than any shopping center Leeds has in it's city centre, and when Westfield is eventually compleat two decent shopping centre's in a city of Bradford's size is more than enough. There's no way that Bradford is notorious throughout the world. In fact Bradford has a good reputation, especialy in Japan and America. I was in Florida a few years ago and people over there were intrigued when I mentioned I was from Bradford. The area's quite well known over there because of the Bronte's and David Hockney.
One of whom lives abroad and the others are dead.
Why does that matter? and David Hockney is back in Yorkshire now.
[quote][p][bold]albion[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]jj83[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]albion[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]jj83[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]BD16[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]jj83[/bold] wrote: Can we all try to be a bit more positive perhaps? I'm very proud to be from Bradford and so should every other Bradfordian 'cause it's a great city and has so much to offer. Of course the City Park will improve the environment and attract more people to the city center. Most people from other cities would be more than chuffed if something like this was being built in their community, so why can't we? and it's going to be a lot better than what was there before isn't it? It will make the atmosphere and vibe around the city center so much better if we could all just stop complaining about it and just enjoy it! and 20 odd million Isn't that much considering the size of the thing and the amount of improvement it will make. Once the Westfield shopping center and all the other planned redevelopment is complete, Bradford will be one of the top cities in the Uk! Maybe other people's opinion of Bradford will change if it's own people started to love the city more and talk about it more positively.[/p][/quote]I posted what I consider to be some of Bradfords problems on Friday. Whilst I agree with your sentiment, with regret, I cannot say that I love Bradford anymore. When we have gone from an industrious city full of proud, hard working people, to where we are now. It's hard to see a way up when we still seem to be in freefall. You are right when you say that when Westfield opens we will be on the right track but when will that be? I don't shop very often in Bradford. The last time I went I decided the £ shops, Greggs bakers, bookies and boarded up shops are not what I want. Now I go to Leeds. Like many others I would love to be able to say with pride that I come from Bradford but that time will not be soon. Oh, by the way. It's centre not center.[/p][/quote]The reason why the centre of Leeds is better than Bradford's at the moment is purely because of the money that has been put into it. 15-20 years ago Leeds was in a lot worse state than what Bradford is at the moment and no one would have travelled to shop there. So who's to say Bradford can't be as good as Leeds in 15 years time? Bradford has so much potential to be great again but just needs the investment. But who's going to invest in Bradford if it's own people keep slagging it off all the time?[/p][/quote]The reason that many business chains are reluctant to invest in Bradford is because it has become a third world city full of third world people, it is now notorious throughout the world (people offer sympathy when you mention living in or near the place), Leeds was never that and there can never be any comparison as Bradford waits (probably in vain) for its new shopping mall Leeds has half a dozen and more on the way![/p][/quote]Leeds is a much bigger city than Bradford so of course it's going to have more places to shop. There's nothing wrong with Bradford's Kirgate Centre, apart from it could do with a face-lift. It's better than any shopping center Leeds has in it's city centre, and when Westfield is eventually compleat two decent shopping centre's in a city of Bradford's size is more than enough. There's no way that Bradford is notorious throughout the world. In fact Bradford has a good reputation, especialy in Japan and America. I was in Florida a few years ago and people over there were intrigued when I mentioned I was from Bradford. The area's quite well known over there because of the Bronte's and David Hockney.[/p][/quote]One of whom lives abroad and the others are dead.[/p][/quote]Why does that matter? and David Hockney is back in Yorkshire now. jj83

11:50pm Sat 9 Oct 10

Up with the partridge says...

jj83 wrote:
Up with the partridge wrote:
jj83 wrote: Can we all try to be a bit more positive perhaps? I'm very proud to be from Bradford and so should every other Bradfordian 'cause it's a great city and has so much to offer. Of course the City Park will improve the environment and attract more people to the city center. Most people from other cities would be more than chuffed if something like this was being built in their community, so why can't we? and it's going to be a lot better than what was there before isn't it? It will make the atmosphere and vibe around the city center so much better if we could all just stop complaining about it and just enjoy it! and 20 odd million Isn't that much considering the size of the thing and the amount of improvement it will make. Once the Westfield shopping center and all the other planned redevelopment is complete, Bradford will be one of the top cities in the Uk! Maybe other people's opinion of Bradford will change if it's own people started to love the city more and talk about it more positively.
All it has to offer is the M606 heading towards the 62 and out of the place
And what about The Media Museum - the most visited museum in the Uk outside of London?? Bronte Country, The beautiful countyside, Cartwright Hall, The Theatres, Salts Mill, Ilkley...
Where are they then?
[quote][p][bold]jj83[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Up with the partridge[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]jj83[/bold] wrote: Can we all try to be a bit more positive perhaps? I'm very proud to be from Bradford and so should every other Bradfordian 'cause it's a great city and has so much to offer. Of course the City Park will improve the environment and attract more people to the city center. Most people from other cities would be more than chuffed if something like this was being built in their community, so why can't we? and it's going to be a lot better than what was there before isn't it? It will make the atmosphere and vibe around the city center so much better if we could all just stop complaining about it and just enjoy it! and 20 odd million Isn't that much considering the size of the thing and the amount of improvement it will make. Once the Westfield shopping center and all the other planned redevelopment is complete, Bradford will be one of the top cities in the Uk! Maybe other people's opinion of Bradford will change if it's own people started to love the city more and talk about it more positively.[/p][/quote]All it has to offer is the M606 heading towards the 62 and out of the place[/p][/quote]And what about The Media Museum - the most visited museum in the Uk outside of London?? Bronte Country, The beautiful countyside, Cartwright Hall, The Theatres, Salts Mill, Ilkley...[/p][/quote]Where are they then? Up with the partridge

12:21am Sun 10 Oct 10

jj83 says...

Up with the partridge wrote:
jj83 wrote:
Up with the partridge wrote:
jj83 wrote: Can we all try to be a bit more positive perhaps? I'm very proud to be from Bradford and so should every other Bradfordian 'cause it's a great city and has so much to offer. Of course the City Park will improve the environment and attract more people to the city center. Most people from other cities would be more than chuffed if something like this was being built in their community, so why can't we? and it's going to be a lot better than what was there before isn't it? It will make the atmosphere and vibe around the city center so much better if we could all just stop complaining about it and just enjoy it! and 20 odd million Isn't that much considering the size of the thing and the amount of improvement it will make. Once the Westfield shopping center and all the other planned redevelopment is complete, Bradford will be one of the top cities in the Uk! Maybe other people's opinion of Bradford will change if it's own people started to love the city more and talk about it more positively.
All it has to offer is the M606 heading towards the 62 and out of the place
And what about The Media Museum - the most visited museum in the Uk outside of London?? Bronte Country, The beautiful countyside, Cartwright Hall, The Theatres, Salts Mill, Ilkley...
Where are they then?
in Bradford :/
[quote][p][bold]Up with the partridge[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]jj83[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Up with the partridge[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]jj83[/bold] wrote: Can we all try to be a bit more positive perhaps? I'm very proud to be from Bradford and so should every other Bradfordian 'cause it's a great city and has so much to offer. Of course the City Park will improve the environment and attract more people to the city center. Most people from other cities would be more than chuffed if something like this was being built in their community, so why can't we? and it's going to be a lot better than what was there before isn't it? It will make the atmosphere and vibe around the city center so much better if we could all just stop complaining about it and just enjoy it! and 20 odd million Isn't that much considering the size of the thing and the amount of improvement it will make. Once the Westfield shopping center and all the other planned redevelopment is complete, Bradford will be one of the top cities in the Uk! Maybe other people's opinion of Bradford will change if it's own people started to love the city more and talk about it more positively.[/p][/quote]All it has to offer is the M606 heading towards the 62 and out of the place[/p][/quote]And what about The Media Museum - the most visited museum in the Uk outside of London?? Bronte Country, The beautiful countyside, Cartwright Hall, The Theatres, Salts Mill, Ilkley...[/p][/quote]Where are they then?[/p][/quote]in Bradford :/ jj83

6:43am Sun 10 Oct 10

albion says...

Bronte country, Salts Mill and Ilkley were all under other councils until the Metropolitan Borough was formed, many people who have lived through this transition never wanted it and in the case of Ilkley still actively campaign to get out of it.
I'll tell you what would attract more people to the city centre = the removal of those who currently infest it!
Bronte country, Salts Mill and Ilkley were all under other councils until the Metropolitan Borough was formed, many people who have lived through this transition never wanted it and in the case of Ilkley still actively campaign to get out of it. I'll tell you what would attract more people to the city centre = the removal of those who currently infest it! albion

6:51am Sun 10 Oct 10

albion says...

jj83 wrote:
albion wrote:
jj83 wrote:
albion wrote:
jj83 wrote:
BD16 wrote:
jj83 wrote: Can we all try to be a bit more positive perhaps? I'm very proud to be from Bradford and so should every other Bradfordian 'cause it's a great city and has so much to offer. Of course the City Park will improve the environment and attract more people to the city center. Most people from other cities would be more than chuffed if something like this was being built in their community, so why can't we? and it's going to be a lot better than what was there before isn't it? It will make the atmosphere and vibe around the city center so much better if we could all just stop complaining about it and just enjoy it! and 20 odd million Isn't that much considering the size of the thing and the amount of improvement it will make. Once the Westfield shopping center and all the other planned redevelopment is complete, Bradford will be one of the top cities in the Uk! Maybe other people's opinion of Bradford will change if it's own people started to love the city more and talk about it more positively.
I posted what I consider to be some of Bradfords problems on Friday. Whilst I agree with your sentiment, with regret, I cannot say that I love Bradford anymore. When we have gone from an industrious city full of proud, hard working people, to where we are now. It's hard to see a way up when we still seem to be in freefall. You are right when you say that when Westfield opens we will be on the right track but when will that be? I don't shop very often in Bradford. The last time I went I decided the £ shops, Greggs bakers, bookies and boarded up shops are not what I want. Now I go to Leeds. Like many others I would love to be able to say with pride that I come from Bradford but that time will not be soon. Oh, by the way. It's centre not center.
The reason why the centre of Leeds is better than Bradford's at the moment is purely because of the money that has been put into it. 15-20 years ago Leeds was in a lot worse state than what Bradford is at the moment and no one would have travelled to shop there. So who's to say Bradford can't be as good as Leeds in 15 years time? Bradford has so much potential to be great again but just needs the investment. But who's going to invest in Bradford if it's own people keep slagging it off all the time?
The reason that many business chains are reluctant to invest in Bradford is because it has become a third world city full of third world people, it is now notorious throughout the world (people offer sympathy when you mention living in or near the place), Leeds was never that and there can never be any comparison as Bradford waits (probably in vain) for its new shopping mall Leeds has half a dozen and more on the way!
Leeds is a much bigger city than Bradford so of course it's going to have more places to shop. There's nothing wrong with Bradford's Kirgate Centre, apart from it could do with a face-lift. It's better than any shopping center Leeds has in it's city centre, and when Westfield is eventually compleat two decent shopping centre's in a city of Bradford's size is more than enough. There's no way that Bradford is notorious throughout the world. In fact Bradford has a good reputation, especialy in Japan and America. I was in Florida a few years ago and people over there were intrigued when I mentioned I was from Bradford. The area's quite well known over there because of the Bronte's and David Hockney.
Your experience with reactions from people are obviously different to mine, so the Arndale centre is better than any of the shopping centres in Leeds? Well if you are fifteen or want to buy cheap tat that may well seem to be the case.
Yes. The Merrion Centre is just crap, there's hardly any shops in The Core or The Light, and St Johns and Leeds Shopping Plaza are nothing special.
"Yes. The Merrion Centre is just crap,"
I wouldnt call Dale photography or Scheerers music crap, there are others but you have already made your mind up so it would be pointless to carry on (I might go to "crap" Harrogate or Huddersfield or totally dead Halifax next Saturday!
[quote][p][bold]jj83[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]albion[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]jj83[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]albion[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]jj83[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]BD16[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]jj83[/bold] wrote: Can we all try to be a bit more positive perhaps? I'm very proud to be from Bradford and so should every other Bradfordian 'cause it's a great city and has so much to offer. Of course the City Park will improve the environment and attract more people to the city center. Most people from other cities would be more than chuffed if something like this was being built in their community, so why can't we? and it's going to be a lot better than what was there before isn't it? It will make the atmosphere and vibe around the city center so much better if we could all just stop complaining about it and just enjoy it! and 20 odd million Isn't that much considering the size of the thing and the amount of improvement it will make. Once the Westfield shopping center and all the other planned redevelopment is complete, Bradford will be one of the top cities in the Uk! Maybe other people's opinion of Bradford will change if it's own people started to love the city more and talk about it more positively.[/p][/quote]I posted what I consider to be some of Bradfords problems on Friday. Whilst I agree with your sentiment, with regret, I cannot say that I love Bradford anymore. When we have gone from an industrious city full of proud, hard working people, to where we are now. It's hard to see a way up when we still seem to be in freefall. You are right when you say that when Westfield opens we will be on the right track but when will that be? I don't shop very often in Bradford. The last time I went I decided the £ shops, Greggs bakers, bookies and boarded up shops are not what I want. Now I go to Leeds. Like many others I would love to be able to say with pride that I come from Bradford but that time will not be soon. Oh, by the way. It's centre not center.[/p][/quote]The reason why the centre of Leeds is better than Bradford's at the moment is purely because of the money that has been put into it. 15-20 years ago Leeds was in a lot worse state than what Bradford is at the moment and no one would have travelled to shop there. So who's to say Bradford can't be as good as Leeds in 15 years time? Bradford has so much potential to be great again but just needs the investment. But who's going to invest in Bradford if it's own people keep slagging it off all the time?[/p][/quote]The reason that many business chains are reluctant to invest in Bradford is because it has become a third world city full of third world people, it is now notorious throughout the world (people offer sympathy when you mention living in or near the place), Leeds was never that and there can never be any comparison as Bradford waits (probably in vain) for its new shopping mall Leeds has half a dozen and more on the way![/p][/quote]Leeds is a much bigger city than Bradford so of course it's going to have more places to shop. There's nothing wrong with Bradford's Kirgate Centre, apart from it could do with a face-lift. It's better than any shopping center Leeds has in it's city centre, and when Westfield is eventually compleat two decent shopping centre's in a city of Bradford's size is more than enough. There's no way that Bradford is notorious throughout the world. In fact Bradford has a good reputation, especialy in Japan and America. I was in Florida a few years ago and people over there were intrigued when I mentioned I was from Bradford. The area's quite well known over there because of the Bronte's and David Hockney.[/p][/quote]Your experience with reactions from people are obviously different to mine, so the Arndale centre is better than any of the shopping centres in Leeds? Well if you are fifteen or want to buy cheap tat that may well seem to be the case.[/p][/quote]Yes. The Merrion Centre is just crap, there's hardly any shops in The Core or The Light, and St Johns and Leeds Shopping Plaza are nothing special.[/p][/quote]"Yes. The Merrion Centre is just crap," I wouldnt call Dale photography or Scheerers music crap, there are others but you have already made your mind up so it would be pointless to carry on (I might go to "crap" Harrogate or Huddersfield or totally dead Halifax next Saturday! albion

7:40am Sun 10 Oct 10

BD16 says...

jj83 wrote:
Up with the partridge wrote:
jj83 wrote: Can we all try to be a bit more positive perhaps? I'm very proud to be from Bradford and so should every other Bradfordian 'cause it's a great city and has so much to offer. Of course the City Park will improve the environment and attract more people to the city center. Most people from other cities would be more than chuffed if something like this was being built in their community, so why can't we? and it's going to be a lot better than what was there before isn't it? It will make the atmosphere and vibe around the city center so much better if we could all just stop complaining about it and just enjoy it! and 20 odd million Isn't that much considering the size of the thing and the amount of improvement it will make. Once the Westfield shopping center and all the other planned redevelopment is complete, Bradford will be one of the top cities in the Uk! Maybe other people's opinion of Bradford will change if it's own people started to love the city more and talk about it more positively.
All it has to offer is the M606 heading towards the 62 and out of the place
And what about The Media Museum - the most visited museum in the Uk outside of London?? Bronte Country, The beautiful countyside, Cartwright Hall, The Theatres, Salts Mill, Ilkley...
Bradford has some fabulous assets, none of which are retail based. You mentioned the media museum which is superb. Cartwright hall is lovely but not spectacular. All the other things mentioned are away from the city centre. Bradford city centre is a dump and until that has been improved and the local populace encouraged to visit it and spend money then we will not be able to get anybody else from outside the district to visit. Comparisons with Leeds are futile. It's a different city with other assets and problems but in terms of retail it's over the hills and far away. Let's make Bradford different, let's give it character and charm. We have stunning architecture unique to Bradford. Use that and make it a city worth visiting.
[quote][p][bold]jj83[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Up with the partridge[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]jj83[/bold] wrote: Can we all try to be a bit more positive perhaps? I'm very proud to be from Bradford and so should every other Bradfordian 'cause it's a great city and has so much to offer. Of course the City Park will improve the environment and attract more people to the city center. Most people from other cities would be more than chuffed if something like this was being built in their community, so why can't we? and it's going to be a lot better than what was there before isn't it? It will make the atmosphere and vibe around the city center so much better if we could all just stop complaining about it and just enjoy it! and 20 odd million Isn't that much considering the size of the thing and the amount of improvement it will make. Once the Westfield shopping center and all the other planned redevelopment is complete, Bradford will be one of the top cities in the Uk! Maybe other people's opinion of Bradford will change if it's own people started to love the city more and talk about it more positively.[/p][/quote]All it has to offer is the M606 heading towards the 62 and out of the place[/p][/quote]And what about The Media Museum - the most visited museum in the Uk outside of London?? Bronte Country, The beautiful countyside, Cartwright Hall, The Theatres, Salts Mill, Ilkley...[/p][/quote]Bradford has some fabulous assets, none of which are retail based. You mentioned the media museum which is superb. Cartwright hall is lovely but not spectacular. All the other things mentioned are away from the city centre. Bradford city centre is a dump and until that has been improved and the local populace encouraged to visit it and spend money then we will not be able to get anybody else from outside the district to visit. Comparisons with Leeds are futile. It's a different city with other assets and problems but in terms of retail it's over the hills and far away. Let's make Bradford different, let's give it character and charm. We have stunning architecture unique to Bradford. Use that and make it a city worth visiting. BD16

1:04pm Sun 10 Oct 10

Willard says...

I agree with BD16 Bingley, we need to make Bradford Great again. We cant win this retail battle now so lets fight a different battle. Change the game, make Bradford famous again for something worthwhile, not just the ability to by handbags, shoes and nick nacks. We have lost this retail battle. That hole in the city centre could be used for something unique, entertainment or education...a hands on Science show that takes travelling exhibits or something edutainment like a recreation of the people of bradford and where they came from. Like a little expo of food and culture, we could have Pakistan, India, Germany, Poland, The Balkans, The Baltic countries, I'm thinking of a small scale thing like the New York Worlds Fair or Epcot in Disney. That would bring people to Bradford and it would creat jobs and spin offs. Lets play our own game, not Leeds or Halifax or Huddersfield. What we need tho is a leader and a visionary to make this happen, not that lot infesting city hall with faces like smacked mackerel
I agree with BD16 Bingley, we need to make Bradford Great again. We cant win this retail battle now so lets fight a different battle. Change the game, make Bradford famous again for something worthwhile, not just the ability to by handbags, shoes and nick nacks. We have lost this retail battle. That hole in the city centre could be used for something unique, entertainment or education...a hands on Science show that takes travelling exhibits or something edutainment like a recreation of the people of bradford and where they came from. Like a little expo of food and culture, we could have Pakistan, India, Germany, Poland, The Balkans, The Baltic countries, I'm thinking of a small scale thing like the New York Worlds Fair or Epcot in Disney. That would bring people to Bradford and it would creat jobs and spin offs. Lets play our own game, not Leeds or Halifax or Huddersfield. What we need tho is a leader and a visionary to make this happen, not that lot infesting city hall with faces like smacked mackerel Willard

10:35pm Sun 10 Oct 10

jj83 says...

Willard wrote:
I agree with BD16 Bingley, we need to make Bradford Great again. We cant win this retail battle now so lets fight a different battle. Change the game, make Bradford famous again for something worthwhile, not just the ability to by handbags, shoes and nick nacks. We have lost this retail battle. That hole in the city centre could be used for something unique, entertainment or education...a hands on Science show that takes travelling exhibits or something edutainment like a recreation of the people of bradford and where they came from. Like a little expo of food and culture, we could have Pakistan, India, Germany, Poland, The Balkans, The Baltic countries, I'm thinking of a small scale thing like the New York Worlds Fair or Epcot in Disney. That would bring people to Bradford and it would creat jobs and spin offs. Lets play our own game, not Leeds or Halifax or Huddersfield. What we need tho is a leader and a visionary to make this happen, not that lot infesting city hall with faces like smacked mackerel
I think it would be a good idea to tranform the Westfield site back into Forster Sq, like it was before they built those horrible buildings in the 60's, only bigger. And have something unique like you said there too.
I'm not old enough to remenber what it looked like when it used to be Forster Sq but I've seen old photographs and it looked really nice.
St Peters House could be transformed into a museum, a History of Bradford Museum for example. It's such a beautiful building and should be used for something special. It would be a shame if it and the Cathedral were to become overshadowed by a clone shopping centre.
We could try get the retailers who have signed up for Westfield and other quality ones to use the many beautiful buildings we already have in the city centre that are going to waste, for example the building where Zavvi used to be, and I've always thought that building next to St Georges Hall with the green dome on top would make a great department store.
There's so much potential in Bradford, If I were in charge I'd definitely make it happen!
[quote][p][bold]Willard[/bold] wrote: I agree with BD16 Bingley, we need to make Bradford Great again. We cant win this retail battle now so lets fight a different battle. Change the game, make Bradford famous again for something worthwhile, not just the ability to by handbags, shoes and nick nacks. We have lost this retail battle. That hole in the city centre could be used for something unique, entertainment or education...a hands on Science show that takes travelling exhibits or something edutainment like a recreation of the people of bradford and where they came from. Like a little expo of food and culture, we could have Pakistan, India, Germany, Poland, The Balkans, The Baltic countries, I'm thinking of a small scale thing like the New York Worlds Fair or Epcot in Disney. That would bring people to Bradford and it would creat jobs and spin offs. Lets play our own game, not Leeds or Halifax or Huddersfield. What we need tho is a leader and a visionary to make this happen, not that lot infesting city hall with faces like smacked mackerel[/p][/quote]I think it would be a good idea to tranform the Westfield site back into Forster Sq, like it was before they built those horrible buildings in the 60's, only bigger. And have something unique like you said there too. I'm not old enough to remenber what it looked like when it used to be Forster Sq but I've seen old photographs and it looked really nice. St Peters House could be transformed into a museum, a History of Bradford Museum for example. It's such a beautiful building and should be used for something special. It would be a shame if it and the Cathedral were to become overshadowed by a clone shopping centre. We could try get the retailers who have signed up for Westfield and other quality ones to use the many beautiful buildings we already have in the city centre that are going to waste, for example the building where Zavvi used to be, and I've always thought that building next to St Georges Hall with the green dome on top would make a great department store. There's so much potential in Bradford, If I were in charge I'd definitely make it happen! jj83

10:38pm Sun 10 Oct 10

the Laird says...

jj83 wrote:
albion wrote:
jj83 wrote:
albion wrote:
jj83 wrote:
BD16 wrote:
jj83 wrote: Can we all try to be a bit more positive perhaps? I'm very proud to be from Bradford and so should every other Bradfordian 'cause it's a great city and has so much to offer. Of course the City Park will improve the environment and attract more people to the city center. Most people from other cities would be more than chuffed if something like this was being built in their community, so why can't we? and it's going to be a lot better than what was there before isn't it? It will make the atmosphere and vibe around the city center so much better if we could all just stop complaining about it and just enjoy it! and 20 odd million Isn't that much considering the size of the thing and the amount of improvement it will make. Once the Westfield shopping center and all the other planned redevelopment is complete, Bradford will be one of the top cities in the Uk! Maybe other people's opinion of Bradford will change if it's own people started to love the city more and talk about it more positively.
I posted what I consider to be some of Bradfords problems on Friday. Whilst I agree with your sentiment, with regret, I cannot say that I love Bradford anymore. When we have gone from an industrious city full of proud, hard working people, to where we are now. It's hard to see a way up when we still seem to be in freefall. You are right when you say that when Westfield opens we will be on the right track but when will that be? I don't shop very often in Bradford. The last time I went I decided the £ shops, Greggs bakers, bookies and boarded up shops are not what I want. Now I go to Leeds. Like many others I would love to be able to say with pride that I come from Bradford but that time will not be soon. Oh, by the way. It's centre not center.
The reason why the centre of Leeds is better than Bradford's at the moment is purely because of the money that has been put into it. 15-20 years ago Leeds was in a lot worse state than what Bradford is at the moment and no one would have travelled to shop there. So who's to say Bradford can't be as good as Leeds in 15 years time? Bradford has so much potential to be great again but just needs the investment. But who's going to invest in Bradford if it's own people keep slagging it off all the time?
The reason that many business chains are reluctant to invest in Bradford is because it has become a third world city full of third world people, it is now notorious throughout the world (people offer sympathy when you mention living in or near the place), Leeds was never that and there can never be any comparison as Bradford waits (probably in vain) for its new shopping mall Leeds has half a dozen and more on the way!
Leeds is a much bigger city than Bradford so of course it's going to have more places to shop. There's nothing wrong with Bradford's Kirgate Centre, apart from it could do with a face-lift. It's better than any shopping center Leeds has in it's city centre, and when Westfield is eventually compleat two decent shopping centre's in a city of Bradford's size is more than enough. There's no way that Bradford is notorious throughout the world. In fact Bradford has a good reputation, especialy in Japan and America. I was in Florida a few years ago and people over there were intrigued when I mentioned I was from Bradford. The area's quite well known over there because of the Bronte's and David Hockney.
Your experience with reactions from people are obviously different to mine, so the Arndale centre is better than any of the shopping centres in Leeds? Well if you are fifteen or want to buy cheap tat that may well seem to be the case.
Yes. The Merrion Centre is just crap, there's hardly any shops in The Core or The Light, and St Johns and Leeds Shopping Plaza are nothing special.
Agree with you about the Merrion Centre, thst just like a bigger version of Bradfords Kirkgate Centre, but if you think Kirkgate is better than anything in Leeds then you are either seriously deluded, or your shopping aspirations rise no higher than phone shops and JJB sports!
There are scores and scores of independent shops in Leeds, and who in their right mind would class Kirkgate above the Victoria Quarter in Leeds, which is a beautiful area to shop in, and not just for Harvey Nicks.
[quote][p][bold]jj83[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]albion[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]jj83[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]albion[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]jj83[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]BD16[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]jj83[/bold] wrote: Can we all try to be a bit more positive perhaps? I'm very proud to be from Bradford and so should every other Bradfordian 'cause it's a great city and has so much to offer. Of course the City Park will improve the environment and attract more people to the city center. Most people from other cities would be more than chuffed if something like this was being built in their community, so why can't we? and it's going to be a lot better than what was there before isn't it? It will make the atmosphere and vibe around the city center so much better if we could all just stop complaining about it and just enjoy it! and 20 odd million Isn't that much considering the size of the thing and the amount of improvement it will make. Once the Westfield shopping center and all the other planned redevelopment is complete, Bradford will be one of the top cities in the Uk! Maybe other people's opinion of Bradford will change if it's own people started to love the city more and talk about it more positively.[/p][/quote]I posted what I consider to be some of Bradfords problems on Friday. Whilst I agree with your sentiment, with regret, I cannot say that I love Bradford anymore. When we have gone from an industrious city full of proud, hard working people, to where we are now. It's hard to see a way up when we still seem to be in freefall. You are right when you say that when Westfield opens we will be on the right track but when will that be? I don't shop very often in Bradford. The last time I went I decided the £ shops, Greggs bakers, bookies and boarded up shops are not what I want. Now I go to Leeds. Like many others I would love to be able to say with pride that I come from Bradford but that time will not be soon. Oh, by the way. It's centre not center.[/p][/quote]The reason why the centre of Leeds is better than Bradford's at the moment is purely because of the money that has been put into it. 15-20 years ago Leeds was in a lot worse state than what Bradford is at the moment and no one would have travelled to shop there. So who's to say Bradford can't be as good as Leeds in 15 years time? Bradford has so much potential to be great again but just needs the investment. But who's going to invest in Bradford if it's own people keep slagging it off all the time?[/p][/quote]The reason that many business chains are reluctant to invest in Bradford is because it has become a third world city full of third world people, it is now notorious throughout the world (people offer sympathy when you mention living in or near the place), Leeds was never that and there can never be any comparison as Bradford waits (probably in vain) for its new shopping mall Leeds has half a dozen and more on the way![/p][/quote]Leeds is a much bigger city than Bradford so of course it's going to have more places to shop. There's nothing wrong with Bradford's Kirgate Centre, apart from it could do with a face-lift. It's better than any shopping center Leeds has in it's city centre, and when Westfield is eventually compleat two decent shopping centre's in a city of Bradford's size is more than enough. There's no way that Bradford is notorious throughout the world. In fact Bradford has a good reputation, especialy in Japan and America. I was in Florida a few years ago and people over there were intrigued when I mentioned I was from Bradford. The area's quite well known over there because of the Bronte's and David Hockney.[/p][/quote]Your experience with reactions from people are obviously different to mine, so the Arndale centre is better than any of the shopping centres in Leeds? Well if you are fifteen or want to buy cheap tat that may well seem to be the case.[/p][/quote]Yes. The Merrion Centre is just crap, there's hardly any shops in The Core or The Light, and St Johns and Leeds Shopping Plaza are nothing special.[/p][/quote]Agree with you about the Merrion Centre, thst just like a bigger version of Bradfords Kirkgate Centre, but if you think Kirkgate is better than anything in Leeds then you are either seriously deluded, or your shopping aspirations rise no higher than phone shops and JJB sports! There are scores and scores of independent shops in Leeds, and who in their right mind would class Kirkgate above the Victoria Quarter in Leeds, which is a beautiful area to shop in, and not just for Harvey Nicks. the Laird

11:26pm Sun 10 Oct 10

jj83 says...

the Laird wrote:
jj83 wrote:
albion wrote:
jj83 wrote:
albion wrote:
jj83 wrote:
BD16 wrote:
jj83 wrote: Can we all try to be a bit more positive perhaps? I'm very proud to be from Bradford and so should every other Bradfordian 'cause it's a great city and has so much to offer. Of course the City Park will improve the environment and attract more people to the city center. Most people from other cities would be more than chuffed if something like this was being built in their community, so why can't we? and it's going to be a lot better than what was there before isn't it? It will make the atmosphere and vibe around the city center so much better if we could all just stop complaining about it and just enjoy it! and 20 odd million Isn't that much considering the size of the thing and the amount of improvement it will make. Once the Westfield shopping center and all the other planned redevelopment is complete, Bradford will be one of the top cities in the Uk! Maybe other people's opinion of Bradford will change if it's own people started to love the city more and talk about it more positively.
I posted what I consider to be some of Bradfords problems on Friday. Whilst I agree with your sentiment, with regret, I cannot say that I love Bradford anymore. When we have gone from an industrious city full of proud, hard working people, to where we are now. It's hard to see a way up when we still seem to be in freefall. You are right when you say that when Westfield opens we will be on the right track but when will that be? I don't shop very often in Bradford. The last time I went I decided the £ shops, Greggs bakers, bookies and boarded up shops are not what I want. Now I go to Leeds. Like many others I would love to be able to say with pride that I come from Bradford but that time will not be soon. Oh, by the way. It's centre not center.
The reason why the centre of Leeds is better than Bradford's at the moment is purely because of the money that has been put into it. 15-20 years ago Leeds was in a lot worse state than what Bradford is at the moment and no one would have travelled to shop there. So who's to say Bradford can't be as good as Leeds in 15 years time? Bradford has so much potential to be great again but just needs the investment. But who's going to invest in Bradford if it's own people keep slagging it off all the time?
The reason that many business chains are reluctant to invest in Bradford is because it has become a third world city full of third world people, it is now notorious throughout the world (people offer sympathy when you mention living in or near the place), Leeds was never that and there can never be any comparison as Bradford waits (probably in vain) for its new shopping mall Leeds has half a dozen and more on the way!
Leeds is a much bigger city than Bradford so of course it's going to have more places to shop. There's nothing wrong with Bradford's Kirgate Centre, apart from it could do with a face-lift. It's better than any shopping center Leeds has in it's city centre, and when Westfield is eventually compleat two decent shopping centre's in a city of Bradford's size is more than enough. There's no way that Bradford is notorious throughout the world. In fact Bradford has a good reputation, especialy in Japan and America. I was in Florida a few years ago and people over there were intrigued when I mentioned I was from Bradford. The area's quite well known over there because of the Bronte's and David Hockney.
Your experience with reactions from people are obviously different to mine, so the Arndale centre is better than any of the shopping centres in Leeds? Well if you are fifteen or want to buy cheap tat that may well seem to be the case.
Yes. The Merrion Centre is just crap, there's hardly any shops in The Core or The Light, and St Johns and Leeds Shopping Plaza are nothing special.
Agree with you about the Merrion Centre, thst just like a bigger version of Bradfords Kirkgate Centre, but if you think Kirkgate is better than anything in Leeds then you are either seriously deluded, or your shopping aspirations rise no higher than phone shops and JJB sports! There are scores and scores of independent shops in Leeds, and who in their right mind would class Kirkgate above the Victoria Quarter in Leeds, which is a beautiful area to shop in, and not just for Harvey Nicks.
I didn't mention the Victoria Quarter, which is too pricey for the average person anyway. I'm just talking about the shopping centres - Merrion, St Johns, The Core and Leeds Shopping Plaza. They're nothing special and have the same or similer shops in to what we have in Bradford.
[quote][p][bold]the Laird[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]jj83[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]albion[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]jj83[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]albion[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]jj83[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]BD16[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]jj83[/bold] wrote: Can we all try to be a bit more positive perhaps? I'm very proud to be from Bradford and so should every other Bradfordian 'cause it's a great city and has so much to offer. Of course the City Park will improve the environment and attract more people to the city center. Most people from other cities would be more than chuffed if something like this was being built in their community, so why can't we? and it's going to be a lot better than what was there before isn't it? It will make the atmosphere and vibe around the city center so much better if we could all just stop complaining about it and just enjoy it! and 20 odd million Isn't that much considering the size of the thing and the amount of improvement it will make. Once the Westfield shopping center and all the other planned redevelopment is complete, Bradford will be one of the top cities in the Uk! Maybe other people's opinion of Bradford will change if it's own people started to love the city more and talk about it more positively.[/p][/quote]I posted what I consider to be some of Bradfords problems on Friday. Whilst I agree with your sentiment, with regret, I cannot say that I love Bradford anymore. When we have gone from an industrious city full of proud, hard working people, to where we are now. It's hard to see a way up when we still seem to be in freefall. You are right when you say that when Westfield opens we will be on the right track but when will that be? I don't shop very often in Bradford. The last time I went I decided the £ shops, Greggs bakers, bookies and boarded up shops are not what I want. Now I go to Leeds. Like many others I would love to be able to say with pride that I come from Bradford but that time will not be soon. Oh, by the way. It's centre not center.[/p][/quote]The reason why the centre of Leeds is better than Bradford's at the moment is purely because of the money that has been put into it. 15-20 years ago Leeds was in a lot worse state than what Bradford is at the moment and no one would have travelled to shop there. So who's to say Bradford can't be as good as Leeds in 15 years time? Bradford has so much potential to be great again but just needs the investment. But who's going to invest in Bradford if it's own people keep slagging it off all the time?[/p][/quote]The reason that many business chains are reluctant to invest in Bradford is because it has become a third world city full of third world people, it is now notorious throughout the world (people offer sympathy when you mention living in or near the place), Leeds was never that and there can never be any comparison as Bradford waits (probably in vain) for its new shopping mall Leeds has half a dozen and more on the way![/p][/quote]Leeds is a much bigger city than Bradford so of course it's going to have more places to shop. There's nothing wrong with Bradford's Kirgate Centre, apart from it could do with a face-lift. It's better than any shopping center Leeds has in it's city centre, and when Westfield is eventually compleat two decent shopping centre's in a city of Bradford's size is more than enough. There's no way that Bradford is notorious throughout the world. In fact Bradford has a good reputation, especialy in Japan and America. I was in Florida a few years ago and people over there were intrigued when I mentioned I was from Bradford. The area's quite well known over there because of the Bronte's and David Hockney.[/p][/quote]Your experience with reactions from people are obviously different to mine, so the Arndale centre is better than any of the shopping centres in Leeds? Well if you are fifteen or want to buy cheap tat that may well seem to be the case.[/p][/quote]Yes. The Merrion Centre is just crap, there's hardly any shops in The Core or The Light, and St Johns and Leeds Shopping Plaza are nothing special.[/p][/quote]Agree with you about the Merrion Centre, thst just like a bigger version of Bradfords Kirkgate Centre, but if you think Kirkgate is better than anything in Leeds then you are either seriously deluded, or your shopping aspirations rise no higher than phone shops and JJB sports! There are scores and scores of independent shops in Leeds, and who in their right mind would class Kirkgate above the Victoria Quarter in Leeds, which is a beautiful area to shop in, and not just for Harvey Nicks.[/p][/quote]I didn't mention the Victoria Quarter, which is too pricey for the average person anyway. I'm just talking about the shopping centres - Merrion, St Johns, The Core and Leeds Shopping Plaza. They're nothing special and have the same or similer shops in to what we have in Bradford. jj83

8:49am Mon 11 Oct 10

Patrick Bateman says...

ead And Buttered said,
"One sign of tolerance on Thursday dinnertime in Heaton was the sight of seven lads from St.Bedes, three Black, two white, one Sikh and one Pakistani, all sat together behind the Village Hall, having a spliff and chatting away as if they were all of the same culture, whilst a couple of pakistani kids sat in the church doorway rolling a fat one"

Brilliant: you find schoolchildren sitting around sharing drugs an encouraging development in inter-community relations do you? Has to rank as one of the dumbest (not to say dismal) posts I've read on here in some time.
ead And Buttered said, "One sign of tolerance on Thursday dinnertime in Heaton was the sight of seven lads from St.Bedes, three Black, two white, one Sikh and one Pakistani, all sat together behind the Village Hall, having a spliff and chatting away as if they were all of the same culture, whilst a couple of pakistani kids sat in the church doorway rolling a fat one" Brilliant: you find schoolchildren sitting around sharing drugs an encouraging development in inter-community relations do you? Has to rank as one of the dumbest (not to say dismal) posts I've read on here in some time. Patrick Bateman

9:03am Mon 11 Oct 10

bredandbuttered says...

Patrick Bateman wrote:
ead And Buttered said,
"One sign of tolerance on Thursday dinnertime in Heaton was the sight of seven lads from St.Bedes, three Black, two white, one Sikh and one Pakistani, all sat together behind the Village Hall, having a spliff and chatting away as if they were all of the same culture, whilst a couple of pakistani kids sat in the church doorway rolling a fat one"

Brilliant: you find schoolchildren sitting around sharing drugs an encouraging development in inter-community relations do you? Has to rank as one of the dumbest (not to say dismal) posts I've read on here in some time.
Er..guess what?
I was trying to be ironic.
[quote][p][bold]Patrick Bateman[/bold] wrote: ead And Buttered said, "One sign of tolerance on Thursday dinnertime in Heaton was the sight of seven lads from St.Bedes, three Black, two white, one Sikh and one Pakistani, all sat together behind the Village Hall, having a spliff and chatting away as if they were all of the same culture, whilst a couple of pakistani kids sat in the church doorway rolling a fat one" Brilliant: you find schoolchildren sitting around sharing drugs an encouraging development in inter-community relations do you? Has to rank as one of the dumbest (not to say dismal) posts I've read on here in some time.[/p][/quote]Er..guess what? I was trying to be ironic. bredandbuttered

10:48am Mon 11 Oct 10

Willard says...

^^ Like I said on another topic 'We are all in it together' These lads very likely will be the next generation to show the EDL the door. Now all we have to do is challenge them to deliver to their full potential and pull together to make Bradford a better place. they are only lads and lads do lads things. They weren't mugging old ladies were they?
^^ Like I said on another topic 'We are all in it together' These lads very likely will be the next generation to show the EDL the door. Now all we have to do is challenge them to deliver to their full potential and pull together to make Bradford a better place. they are only lads and lads do lads things. They weren't mugging old ladies were they? Willard

11:04am Mon 11 Oct 10

albion says...

Willard wrote:
^^ Like I said on another topic 'We are all in it together' These lads very likely will be the next generation to show the EDL the door. Now all we have to do is challenge them to deliver to their full potential and pull together to make Bradford a better place. they are only lads and lads do lads things. They weren't mugging old ladies were they?
No, but in a year or two there is a very good chance that some of them might be travelling around the city in blacked out cars handing small packages to those gullible enough to hand over cash, and that isnt a result of deprivation it is sheer greed and an easy option brought about by lack of discipline in their upbringing, papering over the cracks and throwing money at societies ills achieves nothing as the last few years have proven.
[quote][p][bold]Willard[/bold] wrote: ^^ Like I said on another topic 'We are all in it together' These lads very likely will be the next generation to show the EDL the door. Now all we have to do is challenge them to deliver to their full potential and pull together to make Bradford a better place. they are only lads and lads do lads things. They weren't mugging old ladies were they?[/p][/quote]No, but in a year or two there is a very good chance that some of them might be travelling around the city in blacked out cars handing small packages to those gullible enough to hand over cash, and that isnt a result of deprivation it is sheer greed and an easy option brought about by lack of discipline in their upbringing, papering over the cracks and throwing money at societies ills achieves nothing as the last few years have proven. albion

12:31pm Mon 11 Oct 10

BD16 says...

Willard wrote:
I agree with BD16 Bingley, we need to make Bradford Great again. We cant win this retail battle now so lets fight a different battle. Change the game, make Bradford famous again for something worthwhile, not just the ability to by handbags, shoes and nick nacks. We have lost this retail battle. That hole in the city centre could be used for something unique, entertainment or education...a hands on Science show that takes travelling exhibits or something edutainment like a recreation of the people of bradford and where they came from. Like a little expo of food and culture, we could have Pakistan, India, Germany, Poland, The Balkans, The Baltic countries, I'm thinking of a small scale thing like the New York Worlds Fair or Epcot in Disney. That would bring people to Bradford and it would creat jobs and spin offs. Lets play our own game, not Leeds or Halifax or Huddersfield. What we need tho is a leader and a visionary to make this happen, not that lot infesting city hall with faces like smacked mackerel
I still think we need the Westfield centre to be built, but within that we couild have a food court that reflects more than just pizza, burgers and southern fried chicken. The Westfield site is now out of the control of the council as they no longer own it so until the site owners make a decision then we are stuck with a hole in the ground.

I am coming to the conclusion that an elected mayor might be a start to an answer to our problems, but it's going to take years to set this straight.
[quote][p][bold]Willard[/bold] wrote: I agree with BD16 Bingley, we need to make Bradford Great again. We cant win this retail battle now so lets fight a different battle. Change the game, make Bradford famous again for something worthwhile, not just the ability to by handbags, shoes and nick nacks. We have lost this retail battle. That hole in the city centre could be used for something unique, entertainment or education...a hands on Science show that takes travelling exhibits or something edutainment like a recreation of the people of bradford and where they came from. Like a little expo of food and culture, we could have Pakistan, India, Germany, Poland, The Balkans, The Baltic countries, I'm thinking of a small scale thing like the New York Worlds Fair or Epcot in Disney. That would bring people to Bradford and it would creat jobs and spin offs. Lets play our own game, not Leeds or Halifax or Huddersfield. What we need tho is a leader and a visionary to make this happen, not that lot infesting city hall with faces like smacked mackerel[/p][/quote]I still think we need the Westfield centre to be built, but within that we couild have a food court that reflects more than just pizza, burgers and southern fried chicken. The Westfield site is now out of the control of the council as they no longer own it so until the site owners make a decision then we are stuck with a hole in the ground. I am coming to the conclusion that an elected mayor might be a start to an answer to our problems, but it's going to take years to set this straight. BD16

12:57pm Mon 11 Oct 10

bredandbuttered says...

albion wrote:
Willard wrote:
^^ Like I said on another topic 'We are all in it together' These lads very likely will be the next generation to show the EDL the door. Now all we have to do is challenge them to deliver to their full potential and pull together to make Bradford a better place. they are only lads and lads do lads things. They weren't mugging old ladies were they?
No, but in a year or two there is a very good chance that some of them might be travelling around the city in blacked out cars handing small packages to those gullible enough to hand over cash, and that isnt a result of deprivation it is sheer greed and an easy option brought about by lack of discipline in their upbringing, papering over the cracks and throwing money at societies ills achieves nothing as the last few years have proven.
Its a tough one.
I smoked myself silly when I was young, but was taught to respect others, the difference between good and bad etc by my parents and schools, so I didn't find the gangsta life very appealing.
Shame some of these lads probably will, as its a different dog eat dog culture now, with so many opportunities for even teenagers to buy, supply and make money out of dope.
I guess we'll have legalisation soon, California leading the way, cos the police can't cover all bases and need to stop the importers big time, improving on the 1% success rate for heroine for instance.
But no, they weren't mugging old women.
And yes, an elected mayor please.
Gerry Sutcliffe for instance, he's OK.
[quote][p][bold]albion[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Willard[/bold] wrote: ^^ Like I said on another topic 'We are all in it together' These lads very likely will be the next generation to show the EDL the door. Now all we have to do is challenge them to deliver to their full potential and pull together to make Bradford a better place. they are only lads and lads do lads things. They weren't mugging old ladies were they?[/p][/quote]No, but in a year or two there is a very good chance that some of them might be travelling around the city in blacked out cars handing small packages to those gullible enough to hand over cash, and that isnt a result of deprivation it is sheer greed and an easy option brought about by lack of discipline in their upbringing, papering over the cracks and throwing money at societies ills achieves nothing as the last few years have proven.[/p][/quote]Its a tough one. I smoked myself silly when I was young, but was taught to respect others, the difference between good and bad etc by my parents and schools, so I didn't find the gangsta life very appealing. Shame some of these lads probably will, as its a different dog eat dog culture now, with so many opportunities for even teenagers to buy, supply and make money out of dope. I guess we'll have legalisation soon, California leading the way, cos the police can't cover all bases and need to stop the importers big time, improving on the 1% success rate for heroine for instance. But no, they weren't mugging old women. And yes, an elected mayor please. Gerry Sutcliffe for instance, he's OK. bredandbuttered

1:47pm Mon 11 Oct 10

BD16 says...

bredandbuttered wrote:
albion wrote:
Willard wrote: ^^ Like I said on another topic 'We are all in it together' These lads very likely will be the next generation to show the EDL the door. Now all we have to do is challenge them to deliver to their full potential and pull together to make Bradford a better place. they are only lads and lads do lads things. They weren't mugging old ladies were they?
No, but in a year or two there is a very good chance that some of them might be travelling around the city in blacked out cars handing small packages to those gullible enough to hand over cash, and that isnt a result of deprivation it is sheer greed and an easy option brought about by lack of discipline in their upbringing, papering over the cracks and throwing money at societies ills achieves nothing as the last few years have proven.
Its a tough one. I smoked myself silly when I was young, but was taught to respect others, the difference between good and bad etc by my parents and schools, so I didn't find the gangsta life very appealing. Shame some of these lads probably will, as its a different dog eat dog culture now, with so many opportunities for even teenagers to buy, supply and make money out of dope. I guess we'll have legalisation soon, California leading the way, cos the police can't cover all bases and need to stop the importers big time, improving on the 1% success rate for heroine for instance. But no, they weren't mugging old women. And yes, an elected mayor please. Gerry Sutcliffe for instance, he's OK.
I had someone of the ilk of John Pennington in mind. He has had business success around Bradford in the past and currently serves as a councillor.
The problem with career politicians is that they do not know anything of the real world. We need somebody who could attract investment into Bradford to try kick start a recovery and I think this would be better done in board rooms rather than the corridors of Westminster.
[quote][p][bold]bredandbuttered[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]albion[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Willard[/bold] wrote: ^^ Like I said on another topic 'We are all in it together' These lads very likely will be the next generation to show the EDL the door. Now all we have to do is challenge them to deliver to their full potential and pull together to make Bradford a better place. they are only lads and lads do lads things. They weren't mugging old ladies were they?[/p][/quote]No, but in a year or two there is a very good chance that some of them might be travelling around the city in blacked out cars handing small packages to those gullible enough to hand over cash, and that isnt a result of deprivation it is sheer greed and an easy option brought about by lack of discipline in their upbringing, papering over the cracks and throwing money at societies ills achieves nothing as the last few years have proven.[/p][/quote]Its a tough one. I smoked myself silly when I was young, but was taught to respect others, the difference between good and bad etc by my parents and schools, so I didn't find the gangsta life very appealing. Shame some of these lads probably will, as its a different dog eat dog culture now, with so many opportunities for even teenagers to buy, supply and make money out of dope. I guess we'll have legalisation soon, California leading the way, cos the police can't cover all bases and need to stop the importers big time, improving on the 1% success rate for heroine for instance. But no, they weren't mugging old women. And yes, an elected mayor please. Gerry Sutcliffe for instance, he's OK.[/p][/quote]I had someone of the ilk of John Pennington in mind. He has had business success around Bradford in the past and currently serves as a councillor. The problem with career politicians is that they do not know anything of the real world. We need somebody who could attract investment into Bradford to try kick start a recovery and I think this would be better done in board rooms rather than the corridors of Westminster. BD16

2:32pm Mon 11 Oct 10

bredandbuttered says...

Well if John Pennington was interested I'd spare a few hours campaigning for him, as, I suspect, would many more of us.
I'll get someone to ask him. :-)
Well if John Pennington was interested I'd spare a few hours campaigning for him, as, I suspect, would many more of us. I'll get someone to ask him. :-) bredandbuttered

3:41pm Mon 11 Oct 10

BD16 says...

bredandbuttered wrote:
Well if John Pennington was interested I'd spare a few hours campaigning for him, as, I suspect, would many more of us. I'll get someone to ask him. :-)
If you want to know how good politicians are with somebody elses money have a look at this http://www.bbc.co.uk
/news/business-11512
287

See what a leading business thinks of governments business acumen
[quote][p][bold]bredandbuttered[/bold] wrote: Well if John Pennington was interested I'd spare a few hours campaigning for him, as, I suspect, would many more of us. I'll get someone to ask him. :-)[/p][/quote]If you want to know how good politicians are with somebody elses money have a look at this http://www.bbc.co.uk /news/business-11512 287 See what a leading business thinks of governments business acumen BD16

12:30am Tue 12 Oct 10

Patrick Bateman says...

bredandbuttered wrote:
Patrick Bateman wrote:
ead And Buttered said,
"One sign of tolerance on Thursday dinnertime in Heaton was the sight of seven lads from St.Bedes, three Black, two white, one Sikh and one Pakistani, all sat together behind the Village Hall, having a spliff and chatting away as if they were all of the same culture, whilst a couple of pakistani kids sat in the church doorway rolling a fat one"

Brilliant: you find schoolchildren sitting around sharing drugs an encouraging development in inter-community relations do you? Has to rank as one of the dumbest (not to say dismal) posts I've read on here in some time.
Er..guess what?
I was trying to be ironic.
Ah, fair enough: I apologise. To be fair though what you claimed to see (if true) would be unsurprising and there are those that genuinely would see it as some sort of progress..
[quote][p][bold]bredandbuttered[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Patrick Bateman[/bold] wrote: ead And Buttered said, "One sign of tolerance on Thursday dinnertime in Heaton was the sight of seven lads from St.Bedes, three Black, two white, one Sikh and one Pakistani, all sat together behind the Village Hall, having a spliff and chatting away as if they were all of the same culture, whilst a couple of pakistani kids sat in the church doorway rolling a fat one" Brilliant: you find schoolchildren sitting around sharing drugs an encouraging development in inter-community relations do you? Has to rank as one of the dumbest (not to say dismal) posts I've read on here in some time.[/p][/quote]Er..guess what? I was trying to be ironic.[/p][/quote]Ah, fair enough: I apologise. To be fair though what you claimed to see (if true) would be unsurprising and there are those that genuinely would see it as some sort of progress.. Patrick Bateman

9:54am Tue 12 Oct 10

bredandbuttered says...

Patrick Bateman wrote:
bredandbuttered wrote:
Patrick Bateman wrote:
ead And Buttered said,
"One sign of tolerance on Thursday dinnertime in Heaton was the sight of seven lads from St.Bedes, three Black, two white, one Sikh and one Pakistani, all sat together behind the Village Hall, having a spliff and chatting away as if they were all of the same culture, whilst a couple of pakistani kids sat in the church doorway rolling a fat one"

Brilliant: you find schoolchildren sitting around sharing drugs an encouraging development in inter-community relations do you? Has to rank as one of the dumbest (not to say dismal) posts I've read on here in some time.
Er..guess what?
I was trying to be ironic.
Ah, fair enough: I apologise. To be fair though what you claimed to see (if true) would be unsurprising and there are those that genuinely would see it as some sort of progress..
The school, ironically, seemed the least surprised.
"I suppose its time for another pep-talk" was the attitude.
Whilst I also don't see a massive problem here, I feel it would be more responsible if a smoking shelter was provided for them rather than by default sending them out into the community to smoke weed by the primary school.
I think I'll put that to them.
[quote][p][bold]Patrick Bateman[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]bredandbuttered[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Patrick Bateman[/bold] wrote: ead And Buttered said, "One sign of tolerance on Thursday dinnertime in Heaton was the sight of seven lads from St.Bedes, three Black, two white, one Sikh and one Pakistani, all sat together behind the Village Hall, having a spliff and chatting away as if they were all of the same culture, whilst a couple of pakistani kids sat in the church doorway rolling a fat one" Brilliant: you find schoolchildren sitting around sharing drugs an encouraging development in inter-community relations do you? Has to rank as one of the dumbest (not to say dismal) posts I've read on here in some time.[/p][/quote]Er..guess what? I was trying to be ironic.[/p][/quote]Ah, fair enough: I apologise. To be fair though what you claimed to see (if true) would be unsurprising and there are those that genuinely would see it as some sort of progress..[/p][/quote]The school, ironically, seemed the least surprised. "I suppose its time for another pep-talk" was the attitude. Whilst I also don't see a massive problem here, I feel it would be more responsible if a smoking shelter was provided for them rather than by default sending them out into the community to smoke weed by the primary school. I think I'll put that to them. bredandbuttered

1:20pm Tue 12 Oct 10

TirNaNog says...

Ah loads more posts from whingers who complain about their lot but are too idle/stupid to do anything about it! You contribute nothing!
Followed up by more goons who don't even live here but tell us where we're going wrong. Thanks for the advice but we'll give it a miss. Enjoy your own surroundings which must be Utopian.
Ah loads more posts from whingers who complain about their lot but are too idle/stupid to do anything about it! You contribute nothing! Followed up by more goons who don't even live here but tell us where we're going wrong. Thanks for the advice but we'll give it a miss. Enjoy your own surroundings which must be Utopian. TirNaNog

4:50pm Tue 12 Oct 10

albion says...

TirNaNog wrote:
Ah loads more posts from whingers who complain about their lot but are too idle/stupid to do anything about it! You contribute nothing!
Followed up by more goons who don't even live here but tell us where we're going wrong. Thanks for the advice but we'll give it a miss. Enjoy your own surroundings which must be Utopian.
They are.
[quote][p][bold]TirNaNog[/bold] wrote: Ah loads more posts from whingers who complain about their lot but are too idle/stupid to do anything about it! You contribute nothing! Followed up by more goons who don't even live here but tell us where we're going wrong. Thanks for the advice but we'll give it a miss. Enjoy your own surroundings which must be Utopian.[/p][/quote]They are. albion

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