Former Keighley MP Ann Cryer urges male victims of forced marriages to speak out

Bradford Telegraph and Argus: Former Keighley MP Ann Cryer Former Keighley MP Ann Cryer

A campaigner against forced marriages has urged people to speak out for male victims after figures revealed the number of cases had risen by more than a third.

Former Keighley MP Ann Cryer urged victims, teachers, doctors, solicitors and civil servants to report cases of men being forced to marry and put an end to the ‘secrecy’ surrounding the taboo.

Figures show a 65 per cent jump in reports to the Government’s Forced Marriage Unit (FMU) over the last two years about men entering forced marriages.

Describing Bradford as a ‘city of silence’, Mrs Cryer said: “We need to change hearts and minds by talking about these things. If we are not going to talk, we are not going to change anything.”

Many men have been forced to marry by their families because they suspect they are gay, or to cousins in arranged marriages, she said. Others have been beaten or starved for refusing to enter a forced marriage.

In total, there have been 220 calls to the FMU helpline from men, compared with 134 in 2008.

Men in Yorkshire make up 15 per cent – or 33 – of the total number of cases reported to the FMU.

Mrs Cryer said male victims or others acting for them could now apply for a forced marriage protection order, measures she campaigned for while in Parliament.

The orders can prevent a forced marriage taking place or protect someone when a marriage has already happened.

Mrs Cryer said: “When I urged for these measures to come into force, the worry was that nobody would use the new law because they would be terrified about the problems they would get into with their families.

“The fact that they have demonstrates that young people, particularly in Muslim communities are becoming much more brave and outspoken and living their lives the way they want to live them, rather than in the way their family wants them to.”

Shipley Conservative MP Philip Davies said it was encouraging that more men were reporting incidents of forced marriage.

“This is recognition that, since the law changed, people have been willing to come forward,” he said. “It is starting to uncover how big a problem this has always been.”

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12:47pm Thu 1 Jul 10

Andraste says...

"Many men have been forced to marry by their families because they suspect they are *gay*.."
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Lol ! - WTF?! - where does she get these 'facts' from ?
"Many men have been forced to marry by their families because they suspect they are *gay*.." . Lol ! - WTF?! - where does she get these 'facts' from ? Andraste

12:55pm Thu 1 Jul 10

bredandbuttered says...

Sounds reasonable to me.
Its not done to be gay and muslim, and there must be thousands of gay muslims in this country so...
Sounds reasonable to me. Its not done to be gay and muslim, and there must be thousands of gay muslims in this country so... bredandbuttered

12:58pm Thu 1 Jul 10

albion says...

Andraste wrote:
"Many men have been forced to marry by their families because they suspect they are *gay*.."
.
Lol ! - WTF?! - where does she get these 'facts' from ?
FMU, It is in the report.
[quote][p][bold]Andraste[/bold] wrote: "Many men have been forced to marry by their families because they suspect they are *gay*.." . Lol ! - WTF?! - where does she get these 'facts' from ?[/p][/quote]FMU, It is in the report. albion

1:04pm Thu 1 Jul 10

Andraste says...

albion wrote:
Andraste wrote:
"Many men have been forced to marry by their families because they suspect they are *gay*.."
.
Lol ! - WTF?! - where does she get these 'facts' from ?
FMU, It is in the report.
I find it's extremely difficult to believe. Gay Asians (or more specifically, Gay Asian, British Pakistanis in Bradford/Keighley) are literally non-existent.
.
We've never heard anything like this for the past 30-40 years (even 50 years); I'm sorry but again, I don't believe a word of the report when it comes to 'gay British Asian Pakistanis'.
[quote][p][bold]albion[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Andraste[/bold] wrote: "Many men have been forced to marry by their families because they suspect they are *gay*.." . Lol ! - WTF?! - where does she get these 'facts' from ?[/p][/quote]FMU, It is in the report.[/p][/quote]I find it's extremely difficult to believe. Gay Asians (or more specifically, Gay Asian, British Pakistanis in Bradford/Keighley) are literally non-existent. . We've never heard anything like this for the past 30-40 years (even 50 years); I'm sorry but again, I don't believe a word of the report when it comes to 'gay British Asian Pakistanis'. Andraste

1:08pm Thu 1 Jul 10

albion says...

Andraste wrote:
albion wrote:
Andraste wrote:
"Many men have been forced to marry by their families because they suspect they are *gay*.."
.
Lol ! - WTF?! - where does she get these 'facts' from ?
FMU, It is in the report.
I find it's extremely difficult to believe. Gay Asians (or more specifically, Gay Asian, British Pakistanis in Bradford/Keighley) are literally non-existent.
.
We've never heard anything like this for the past 30-40 years (even 50 years); I'm sorry but again, I don't believe a word of the report when it comes to 'gay British Asian Pakistanis'.
It doesnt say that they are non-existent, it says that in some cases they are being forced into covering it up with sham marriages.
[quote][p][bold]Andraste[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]albion[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Andraste[/bold] wrote: "Many men have been forced to marry by their families because they suspect they are *gay*.." . Lol ! - WTF?! - where does she get these 'facts' from ?[/p][/quote]FMU, It is in the report.[/p][/quote]I find it's extremely difficult to believe. Gay Asians (or more specifically, Gay Asian, British Pakistanis in Bradford/Keighley) are literally non-existent. . We've never heard anything like this for the past 30-40 years (even 50 years); I'm sorry but again, I don't believe a word of the report when it comes to 'gay British Asian Pakistanis'.[/p][/quote]It doesnt say that they are non-existent, it says that in some cases they are being forced into covering it up with sham marriages. albion

1:43pm Thu 1 Jul 10

bals80 says...

albion wrote:
Andraste wrote:
albion wrote:
Andraste wrote:
"Many men have been forced to marry by their families because they suspect they are *gay*.."
.
Lol ! - WTF?! - where does she get these 'facts' from ?
FMU, It is in the report.
I find it's extremely difficult to believe. Gay Asians (or more specifically, Gay Asian, British Pakistanis in Bradford/Keighley) are literally non-existent.
.
We've never heard anything like this for the past 30-40 years (even 50 years); I'm sorry but again, I don't believe a word of the report when it comes to 'gay British Asian Pakistanis'.
It doesnt say that they are non-existent, it says that in some cases they are being forced into covering it up with sham marriages.
This is a true fact, some Asian men especially in the Muslim community don't realise they are gay until the time comes to get married.

The don't want to accept it cause it is a sin in the religion but over time when they have no feelings for a female partner until it becomes reality.

You will see a increase in this in the next few years.
[quote][p][bold]albion[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Andraste[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]albion[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Andraste[/bold] wrote: "Many men have been forced to marry by their families because they suspect they are *gay*.." . Lol ! - WTF?! - where does she get these 'facts' from ?[/p][/quote]FMU, It is in the report.[/p][/quote]I find it's extremely difficult to believe. Gay Asians (or more specifically, Gay Asian, British Pakistanis in Bradford/Keighley) are literally non-existent. . We've never heard anything like this for the past 30-40 years (even 50 years); I'm sorry but again, I don't believe a word of the report when it comes to 'gay British Asian Pakistanis'.[/p][/quote]It doesnt say that they are non-existent, it says that in some cases they are being forced into covering it up with sham marriages.[/p][/quote]This is a true fact, some Asian men especially in the Muslim community don't realise they are gay until the time comes to get married. The don't want to accept it cause it is a sin in the religion but over time when they have no feelings for a female partner until it becomes reality. You will see a increase in this in the next few years. bals80

1:53pm Thu 1 Jul 10

Rambo says...

Like Iran president Ahmedinejad said at his speech in New York -
"I don't know why there are so many gays here, in my country there are none" Someone shouted in reply - "Thats because you hang them....".
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I know a gay British Asian. Thats one at least.
Like Iran president Ahmedinejad said at his speech in New York - "I don't know why there are so many gays here, in my country there are none" Someone shouted in reply - "Thats because you hang them....". . I know a gay British Asian. Thats one at least. Rambo

2:19pm Thu 1 Jul 10

sexysam says...

THE FMU and its cronies such as Ann Cryer has been setup deliberately to demonise Asians marrying from back home. It comes out with this **** and then uses it to tightly control immigration of Asians to this country.There might be the odd few forced marriages now and then, but the majority of marriages are genuine and life long. There is no major problem amongts Asian marriages, unlike the problem faced by the indeginious community
THE FMU and its cronies such as Ann Cryer has been setup deliberately to demonise Asians marrying from back home. It comes out with this **** and then uses it to tightly control immigration of Asians to this country.There might be the odd few forced marriages now and then, but the majority of marriages are genuine and life long. There is no major problem amongts Asian marriages, unlike the problem faced by the indeginious community sexysam

2:30pm Thu 1 Jul 10

albion says...

sexysam wrote:
THE FMU and its cronies such as Ann Cryer has been setup deliberately to demonise Asians marrying from back home. It comes out with this **** and then uses it to tightly control immigration of Asians to this country.There might be the odd few forced marriages now and then, but the majority of marriages are genuine and life long. There is no major problem amongts Asian marriages, unlike the problem faced by the indeginious community
"There might be the odd few forced marriages now and then"
So that makes it OK then?
How few is "few"?
[quote][p][bold]sexysam[/bold] wrote: THE FMU and its cronies such as Ann Cryer has been setup deliberately to demonise Asians marrying from back home. It comes out with this **** and then uses it to tightly control immigration of Asians to this country.There might be the odd few forced marriages now and then, but the majority of marriages are genuine and life long. There is no major problem amongts Asian marriages, unlike the problem faced by the indeginious community[/p][/quote]"There might be the odd few forced marriages now and then" So that makes it OK then? How few is "few"? albion

2:35pm Thu 1 Jul 10

fish'n'chips says...

Yes they will speak out and most likely dissappear next time they go abroad on a family visit. If the parents follow the koran they can't believe their son could be a homosexual as that would be a sin and they would be found out if they don't marry...
How do you stop that one Ann tell them not to believe in the koran just because we accept homosexuality in the Uk.
it's took over 100 years to try and get homosexuality acceptable over here so i wouldn't expect the muslim community to catch up for a couple of more generations at least so don't waste your breath until hopefully the immigrant population becomes more european and less dark ages like pakistan and surrounding countries.
Yes they will speak out and most likely dissappear next time they go abroad on a family visit. If the parents follow the koran they can't believe their son could be a homosexual as that would be a sin and they would be found out if they don't marry... How do you stop that one Ann tell them not to believe in the koran just because we accept homosexuality in the Uk. it's took over 100 years to try and get homosexuality acceptable over here so i wouldn't expect the muslim community to catch up for a couple of more generations at least so don't waste your breath until hopefully the immigrant population becomes more european and less dark ages like pakistan and surrounding countries. fish'n'chips

3:23pm Thu 1 Jul 10

The_Realist says...

Here we go again:

Ann Cryer and her baseless comments. This woman is a disease. She creates so much division and hatred between communities. I will never understand why "our" MP always chose to overlook many many important issues such as :

Teenage pregnancies
Drug users
Domestic violence
etc etc. The list is endless.

Instead this woman chose to use all her time and resources to highlight an issue that is a minor problem in contrast to these other issues that affect EVERYBODY and not just the asian community, who for whatever reason, Ann seems to think she understands.

You will never understand us, our ways, our ideoligies, our religion, our communities, Us even.

Arranged marriages are usually successful as opposed to the church weddings we see here, and the divorce that follows shortly.

As for Gay Muslims, thers no such thing, Any man who chooses to take this route could never be called a muslim, it is a grave sin, and is also forbidden in the bible.

GOD MADE ADAM AND EVE, NOT ADAM AND STEVE!!!

GOOD RIDDANCE TO ANN CRYER!
Here we go again: Ann Cryer and her baseless comments. This woman is a disease. She creates so much division and hatred between communities. I will never understand why "our" MP always chose to overlook many many important issues such as : Teenage pregnancies Drug users Domestic violence etc etc. The list is endless. Instead this woman chose to use all her time and resources to highlight an issue that is a minor problem in contrast to these other issues that affect EVERYBODY and not just the asian community, who for whatever reason, Ann seems to think she understands. You will never understand us, our ways, our ideoligies, our religion, our communities, Us even. Arranged marriages are usually successful as opposed to the church weddings we see here, and the divorce that follows shortly. As for Gay Muslims, thers no such thing, Any man who chooses to take this route could never be called a muslim, it is a grave sin, and is also forbidden in the bible. GOD MADE ADAM AND EVE, NOT ADAM AND STEVE!!! GOOD RIDDANCE TO ANN CRYER! The_Realist

3:33pm Thu 1 Jul 10

Bradfordian74 says...

sexysam wrote:
THE FMU and its cronies such as Ann Cryer has been setup deliberately to demonise Asians marrying from back home. It comes out with this **** and then uses it to tightly control immigration of Asians to this country.There might be the odd few forced marriages now and then, but the majority of marriages are genuine and life long. There is no major problem amongts Asian marriages, unlike the problem faced by the indeginious community
With regards to modern world. There is no such thing as forced marriages. I was introduced to my wife by my family. I went to visit her several times before I married. 13 Years later it is still strong as ever. Ref immigration marriages abroad will drop dramatically. Which is wrong as I have spoken to alot of unmarried men who have opted to marry from Pakistan/India as they believe the women understand the culture better.
[quote][p][bold]sexysam[/bold] wrote: THE FMU and its cronies such as Ann Cryer has been setup deliberately to demonise Asians marrying from back home. It comes out with this **** and then uses it to tightly control immigration of Asians to this country.There might be the odd few forced marriages now and then, but the majority of marriages are genuine and life long. There is no major problem amongts Asian marriages, unlike the problem faced by the indeginious community[/p][/quote]With regards to modern world. There is no such thing as forced marriages. I was introduced to my wife by my family. I went to visit her several times before I married. 13 Years later it is still strong as ever. Ref immigration marriages abroad will drop dramatically. Which is wrong as I have spoken to alot of unmarried men who have opted to marry from Pakistan/India as they believe the women understand the culture better. Bradfordian74

3:36pm Thu 1 Jul 10

Bradfordian74 says...

The_Realist wrote:
Here we go again: Ann Cryer and her baseless comments. This woman is a disease. She creates so much division and hatred between communities. I will never understand why "our" MP always chose to overlook many many important issues such as : Teenage pregnancies Drug users Domestic violence etc etc. The list is endless. Instead this woman chose to use all her time and resources to highlight an issue that is a minor problem in contrast to these other issues that affect EVERYBODY and not just the asian community, who for whatever reason, Ann seems to think she understands. You will never understand us, our ways, our ideoligies, our religion, our communities, Us even. Arranged marriages are usually successful as opposed to the church weddings we see here, and the divorce that follows shortly. As for Gay Muslims, thers no such thing, Any man who chooses to take this route could never be called a muslim, it is a grave sin, and is also forbidden in the bible. GOD MADE ADAM AND EVE, NOT ADAM AND STEVE!!! GOOD RIDDANCE TO ANN CRYER!
bingo - Well Said. Lets concentrate on other issues and not bring this subject. Why not look at making Kly/Bfd/Hudd etc a better place to live in and live together.
[quote][p][bold]The_Realist[/bold] wrote: Here we go again: Ann Cryer and her baseless comments. This woman is a disease. She creates so much division and hatred between communities. I will never understand why "our" MP always chose to overlook many many important issues such as : Teenage pregnancies Drug users Domestic violence etc etc. The list is endless. Instead this woman chose to use all her time and resources to highlight an issue that is a minor problem in contrast to these other issues that affect EVERYBODY and not just the asian community, who for whatever reason, Ann seems to think she understands. You will never understand us, our ways, our ideoligies, our religion, our communities, Us even. Arranged marriages are usually successful as opposed to the church weddings we see here, and the divorce that follows shortly. As for Gay Muslims, thers no such thing, Any man who chooses to take this route could never be called a muslim, it is a grave sin, and is also forbidden in the bible. GOD MADE ADAM AND EVE, NOT ADAM AND STEVE!!! GOOD RIDDANCE TO ANN CRYER![/p][/quote]bingo - Well Said. Lets concentrate on other issues and not bring this subject. Why not look at making Kly/Bfd/Hudd etc a better place to live in and live together. Bradfordian74

3:39pm Thu 1 Jul 10

The_Realist says...

Bradfordian:

Well said. Like I said in my earlier post, The arranged marriages seem to be a lot stronger.

Also I know many brothers who chose to marry from the homelands themselves.
Trophy wives always seem to want too much or will just run off with the milkman at some point.
Bradfordian: Well said. Like I said in my earlier post, The arranged marriages seem to be a lot stronger. Also I know many brothers who chose to marry from the homelands themselves. Trophy wives always seem to want too much or will just run off with the milkman at some point. The_Realist

4:07pm Thu 1 Jul 10

Andraste says...

The_Realist wrote:
Here we go again:

Ann Cryer and her baseless comments. This woman is a disease. She creates so much division and hatred between communities. I will never understand why "our" MP always chose to overlook many many important issues such as :

Teenage pregnancies
Drug users
Domestic violence
etc etc. The list is endless.

Instead this woman chose to use all her time and resources to highlight an issue that is a minor problem in contrast to these other issues that affect EVERYBODY and not just the asian community, who for whatever reason, Ann seems to think she understands.

You will never understand us, our ways, our ideoligies, our religion, our communities, Us even.

Arranged marriages are usually successful as opposed to the church weddings we see here, and the divorce that follows shortly.

As for Gay Muslims, thers no such thing, Any man who chooses to take this route could never be called a muslim, it is a grave sin, and is also forbidden in the bible.

GOD MADE ADAM AND EVE, NOT ADAM AND STEVE!!!

GOOD RIDDANCE TO ANN CRYER!
Well said.
[quote][p][bold]The_Realist[/bold] wrote: Here we go again: Ann Cryer and her baseless comments. This woman is a disease. She creates so much division and hatred between communities. I will never understand why "our" MP always chose to overlook many many important issues such as : Teenage pregnancies Drug users Domestic violence etc etc. The list is endless. Instead this woman chose to use all her time and resources to highlight an issue that is a minor problem in contrast to these other issues that affect EVERYBODY and not just the asian community, who for whatever reason, Ann seems to think she understands. You will never understand us, our ways, our ideoligies, our religion, our communities, Us even. Arranged marriages are usually successful as opposed to the church weddings we see here, and the divorce that follows shortly. As for Gay Muslims, thers no such thing, Any man who chooses to take this route could never be called a muslim, it is a grave sin, and is also forbidden in the bible. GOD MADE ADAM AND EVE, NOT ADAM AND STEVE!!! GOOD RIDDANCE TO ANN CRYER![/p][/quote]Well said. Andraste

4:18pm Thu 1 Jul 10

Rambo says...

Minor problem? Got a thought for the honour killings that arise from forced marriages, or is that too minor as well? Or in the increase in interbred-related diseases in the Bradford area that are down to these types of marriage as well?
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Don't use the bible or any religious (fictional) book to try and justify an argument. You just end up picking and choosing the bits to suit you and ignore the parts you don't like.
Minor problem? Got a thought for the honour killings that arise from forced marriages, or is that too minor as well? Or in the increase in interbred-related diseases in the Bradford area that are down to these types of marriage as well? . Don't use the bible or any religious (fictional) book to try and justify an argument. You just end up picking and choosing the bits to suit you and ignore the parts you don't like. Rambo

4:48pm Thu 1 Jul 10

CJones101 says...

Very interesting article, and judging from some of the respondents comments she was brave to conduct the study - well done
Very interesting article, and judging from some of the respondents comments she was brave to conduct the study - well done CJones101

5:01pm Thu 1 Jul 10

bredandbuttered says...

QUOTE
"As for Gay Muslims, thers no such thing, Any man who chooses to take this route could never be called a muslim, it is a grave sin, and is also forbidden in the bible.

GOD MADE ADAM AND EVE, NOT ADAM AND STEVE!!!"

I think we've all moved on from such medieval leanings, and embrace all cultures and sexualities.
You'll be telling us next we can't have play around in bed with our wives/girlfriends/sa
me sex partners, share a laugh, go down the pub for a natter or walk hand in hand heads held high.
Oh, sorry, you were.

Yawn.
QUOTE "As for Gay Muslims, thers no such thing, Any man who chooses to take this route could never be called a muslim, it is a grave sin, and is also forbidden in the bible. GOD MADE ADAM AND EVE, NOT ADAM AND STEVE!!!" I think we've all moved on from such medieval leanings, and embrace all cultures and sexualities. You'll be telling us next we can't have play around in bed with our wives/girlfriends/sa me sex partners, share a laugh, go down the pub for a natter or walk hand in hand heads held high. Oh, sorry, you were. Yawn. bredandbuttered

6:25pm Thu 1 Jul 10

Haji says...

Rambo wrote:
Minor problem? Got a thought for the honour killings that arise from forced marriages, or is that too minor as well? Or in the increase in interbred-related diseases in the Bradford area that are down to these types of marriage as well?
.
Don't use the bible or any religious (fictional) book to try and justify an argument. You just end up picking and choosing the bits to suit you and ignore the parts you don't like.
Rambo - you make too many assumptions here. Forced marriages are not related to honour killings; it usually is the wrong type of marriage or no marriage which is the cause i.e. when out of clan or when girl runs-away with a lover.

Secondly, inter-bred related diseases are nothing to do with the type of marriage but more to do with whom you marry. One can marry through free will and plenty of love a distant relative and still inherit "the wrong gene".
[quote][p][bold]Rambo[/bold] wrote: Minor problem? Got a thought for the honour killings that arise from forced marriages, or is that too minor as well? Or in the increase in interbred-related diseases in the Bradford area that are down to these types of marriage as well? . Don't use the bible or any religious (fictional) book to try and justify an argument. You just end up picking and choosing the bits to suit you and ignore the parts you don't like.[/p][/quote]Rambo - you make too many assumptions here. Forced marriages are not related to honour killings; it usually is the wrong type of marriage or no marriage which is the cause i.e. when out of clan or when girl runs-away with a lover. Secondly, inter-bred related diseases are nothing to do with the type of marriage but more to do with whom you marry. One can marry through free will and plenty of love a distant relative and still inherit "the wrong gene". Haji

7:25pm Thu 1 Jul 10

allannicho says...

albion wrote:
sexysam wrote:
THE FMU and its cronies such as Ann Cryer has been setup deliberately to demonise Asians marrying from back home. It comes out with this **** and then uses it to tightly control immigration of Asians to this country.There might be the odd few forced marriages now and then, but the majority of marriages are genuine and life long. There is no major problem amongts Asian marriages, unlike the problem faced by the indeginious community
"There might be the odd few forced marriages now and then"
So that makes it OK then?
How few is "few"?
Its the Asian way, nothing will change thier system.
They are impervious to change, especially anything Western.
Thousands upon thousands
of arranged marriages have occured since the 50,s
[quote][p][bold]albion[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]sexysam[/bold] wrote: THE FMU and its cronies such as Ann Cryer has been setup deliberately to demonise Asians marrying from back home. It comes out with this **** and then uses it to tightly control immigration of Asians to this country.There might be the odd few forced marriages now and then, but the majority of marriages are genuine and life long. There is no major problem amongts Asian marriages, unlike the problem faced by the indeginious community[/p][/quote]"There might be the odd few forced marriages now and then" So that makes it OK then? How few is "few"?[/p][/quote]Its the Asian way, nothing will change thier system. They are impervious to change, especially anything Western. Thousands upon thousands of arranged marriages have occured since the 50,s allannicho

8:05pm Thu 1 Jul 10

eileen brd says...

no gay asians wot a load of rubbish i know quite a few one works in asda rooleylane bradford they are allover just to scared to come out and be counted
no gay asians wot a load of rubbish i know quite a few one works in asda rooleylane bradford they are allover just to scared to come out and be counted eileen brd

8:08pm Thu 1 Jul 10

ms walker says...

allannicho wrote:
albion wrote:
sexysam wrote:
THE FMU and its cronies such as Ann Cryer has been setup deliberately to demonise Asians marrying from back home. It comes out with this **** and then uses it to tightly control immigration of Asians to this country.There might be the odd few forced marriages now and then, but the majority of marriages are genuine and life long. There is no major problem amongts Asian marriages, unlike the problem faced by the indeginious community
"There might be the odd few forced marriages now and then"
So that makes it OK then?
How few is "few"?
Its the Asian way, nothing will change thier system.
They are impervious to change, especially anything Western.
Thousands upon thousands
of arranged marriages have occured since the 50,s
There is nothing at all wrong with arranged marriages, allannicho.
This story is about forced marriages. Your comment is off-topic.
[quote][p][bold]allannicho[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]albion[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]sexysam[/bold] wrote: THE FMU and its cronies such as Ann Cryer has been setup deliberately to demonise Asians marrying from back home. It comes out with this **** and then uses it to tightly control immigration of Asians to this country.There might be the odd few forced marriages now and then, but the majority of marriages are genuine and life long. There is no major problem amongts Asian marriages, unlike the problem faced by the indeginious community[/p][/quote]"There might be the odd few forced marriages now and then" So that makes it OK then? How few is "few"?[/p][/quote]Its the Asian way, nothing will change thier system. They are impervious to change, especially anything Western. Thousands upon thousands of arranged marriages have occured since the 50,s[/p][/quote]There is nothing at all wrong with arranged marriages, allannicho. This story is about forced marriages. Your comment is off-topic. ms walker

11:49pm Thu 1 Jul 10

Devils Apprentice Advocate says...

Andraste wrote:
The_Realist wrote:
Here we go again:

Ann Cryer and her baseless comments. This woman is a disease. She creates so much division and hatred between communities. I will never understand why "our" MP always chose to overlook many many important issues such as :

Teenage pregnancies
Drug users
Domestic violence
etc etc. The list is endless.

Instead this woman chose to use all her time and resources to highlight an issue that is a minor problem in contrast to these other issues that affect EVERYBODY and not just the asian community, who for whatever reason, Ann seems to think she understands.

You will never understand us, our ways, our ideoligies, our religion, our communities, Us even.

Arranged marriages are usually successful as opposed to the church weddings we see here, and the divorce that follows shortly.

As for Gay Muslims, thers no such thing, Any man who chooses to take this route could never be called a muslim, it is a grave sin, and is also forbidden in the bible.

GOD MADE ADAM AND EVE, NOT ADAM AND STEVE!!!

GOOD RIDDANCE TO ANN CRYER!
Well said.
By Poonam Taneja
BBC Asian Network
Monday, 11 January 2010

'A UK charity is dealing with an increasing number of young gay Muslims becoming homeless after fleeing forced marriages and so-called honour violence.
Fazal Mahmood runs a support group for South Asian and Middle Eastern gay men, called Himat, which means strength in Urdu.

"I've got about 150 people on my mail out list.

"About 80%... have been coerced into marriage or been forced into marriage or are being forced into marriage," he said.

Mr Mahmood says homosexuality is considered a taboo issue within close-knit Muslim communities in areas such as London, Bradford and Manchester'.

You don't believe that there are Gay Muslims but you believe that there was an Adam and Eve!! Oh dear! I suppose the World is also flat and Bradford is
full of people who are intelligent, selfless, open minded and not brainwashed by religion?
[quote][p][bold]Andraste[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]The_Realist[/bold] wrote: Here we go again: Ann Cryer and her baseless comments. This woman is a disease. She creates so much division and hatred between communities. I will never understand why "our" MP always chose to overlook many many important issues such as : Teenage pregnancies Drug users Domestic violence etc etc. The list is endless. Instead this woman chose to use all her time and resources to highlight an issue that is a minor problem in contrast to these other issues that affect EVERYBODY and not just the asian community, who for whatever reason, Ann seems to think she understands. You will never understand us, our ways, our ideoligies, our religion, our communities, Us even. Arranged marriages are usually successful as opposed to the church weddings we see here, and the divorce that follows shortly. As for Gay Muslims, thers no such thing, Any man who chooses to take this route could never be called a muslim, it is a grave sin, and is also forbidden in the bible. GOD MADE ADAM AND EVE, NOT ADAM AND STEVE!!! GOOD RIDDANCE TO ANN CRYER![/p][/quote]Well said.[/p][/quote]By Poonam Taneja BBC Asian Network Monday, 11 January 2010 'A UK charity is dealing with an increasing number of young gay Muslims becoming homeless after fleeing forced marriages and so-called honour violence. Fazal Mahmood runs a support group for South Asian and Middle Eastern gay men, called Himat, which means strength in Urdu. "I've got about 150 people on my mail out list. "About 80%... have been coerced into marriage or been forced into marriage or are being forced into marriage," he said. Mr Mahmood says homosexuality is considered a taboo issue within close-knit Muslim communities in areas such as London, Bradford and Manchester'. You don't believe that there are Gay Muslims but you believe that there was an Adam and Eve!! Oh dear! I suppose the World is also flat and Bradford is full of people who are intelligent, selfless, open minded and not brainwashed by religion? Devils Apprentice Advocate

11:53pm Thu 1 Jul 10

Rambo says...

Haji wrote:
Rambo wrote:
Minor problem? Got a thought for the honour killings that arise from forced marriages, or is that too minor as well? Or in the increase in interbred-related diseases in the Bradford area that are down to these types of marriage as well?
.
Don't use the bible or any religious (fictional) book to try and justify an argument. You just end up picking and choosing the bits to suit you and ignore the parts you don't like.
Rambo - you make too many assumptions here. Forced marriages are not related to honour killings; it usually is the wrong type of marriage or no marriage which is the cause i.e. when out of clan or when girl runs-away with a lover.

Secondly, inter-bred related diseases are nothing to do with the type of marriage but more to do with whom you marry. One can marry through free will and plenty of love a distant relative and still inherit "the wrong gene".
I didn't say all honour killings were related to forced marriages. And yes, no marriage can be the cause - because some people escape and have to go into hiding before the forced marriage goes ahead.

Google "forced marriage honour killing" and read a few of the accounts and reports. But I fully expect the usual suspects to brush them aside as lies, propaganda etc.

Inter-breeding is by no means related to Asian/Muslim weddings - also acknowledge it occurs sometimes on mainly white council estates. And all of Burnley.
[quote][p][bold]Haji[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Rambo[/bold] wrote: Minor problem? Got a thought for the honour killings that arise from forced marriages, or is that too minor as well? Or in the increase in interbred-related diseases in the Bradford area that are down to these types of marriage as well? . Don't use the bible or any religious (fictional) book to try and justify an argument. You just end up picking and choosing the bits to suit you and ignore the parts you don't like.[/p][/quote]Rambo - you make too many assumptions here. Forced marriages are not related to honour killings; it usually is the wrong type of marriage or no marriage which is the cause i.e. when out of clan or when girl runs-away with a lover. Secondly, inter-bred related diseases are nothing to do with the type of marriage but more to do with whom you marry. One can marry through free will and plenty of love a distant relative and still inherit "the wrong gene".[/p][/quote]I didn't say all honour killings were related to forced marriages. And yes, no marriage can be the cause - because some people escape and have to go into hiding before the forced marriage goes ahead. Google "forced marriage honour killing" and read a few of the accounts and reports. But I fully expect the usual suspects to brush them aside as lies, propaganda etc. Inter-breeding is by no means related to Asian/Muslim weddings - also acknowledge it occurs sometimes on mainly white council estates. And all of Burnley. Rambo

11:54pm Thu 1 Jul 10

richmondbull says...

ms walker wrote:
allannicho wrote:
albion wrote:
sexysam wrote: THE FMU and its cronies such as Ann Cryer has been setup deliberately to demonise Asians marrying from back home. It comes out with this **** and then uses it to tightly control immigration of Asians to this country.There might be the odd few forced marriages now and then, but the majority of marriages are genuine and life long. There is no major problem amongts Asian marriages, unlike the problem faced by the indeginious community
"There might be the odd few forced marriages now and then" So that makes it OK then? How few is "few"?
Its the Asian way, nothing will change thier system. They are impervious to change, especially anything Western. Thousands upon thousands of arranged marriages have occured since the 50,s
There is nothing at all wrong with arranged marriages, allannicho. This story is about forced marriages. Your comment is off-topic.
arranged, forced marriage what ever you wanna call it,who on earth would want to marry an asian???why put yourself back hundreds of years,constantly having to dodge the home office and DWP,surely marriage is to be enjoyed.
[quote][p][bold]ms walker[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]allannicho[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]albion[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]sexysam[/bold] wrote: THE FMU and its cronies such as Ann Cryer has been setup deliberately to demonise Asians marrying from back home. It comes out with this **** and then uses it to tightly control immigration of Asians to this country.There might be the odd few forced marriages now and then, but the majority of marriages are genuine and life long. There is no major problem amongts Asian marriages, unlike the problem faced by the indeginious community[/p][/quote]"There might be the odd few forced marriages now and then" So that makes it OK then? How few is "few"?[/p][/quote]Its the Asian way, nothing will change thier system. They are impervious to change, especially anything Western. Thousands upon thousands of arranged marriages have occured since the 50,s[/p][/quote]There is nothing at all wrong with arranged marriages, allannicho. This story is about forced marriages. Your comment is off-topic.[/p][/quote]arranged, forced marriage what ever you wanna call it,who on earth would want to marry an asian???why put yourself back hundreds of years,constantly having to dodge the home office and DWP,surely marriage is to be enjoyed. richmondbull

12:17am Fri 2 Jul 10

Devils Apprentice Advocate says...

'Asian' this and 'Asian' that!!!! Asian countries:

Afghanistan
Armenia
Azerbaijan
Bahrain
Bangladesh
Bhutan
Brunei
Burma (Myanmar)
Cambodia
China
Georgia
Hong Kong
India
Indonesia
Iran
Iraq
Israel
Japan
Jordan
Kazakhstan
Korea, North
Korea, South
Kuwait
Kyrgyzstan
Laos
Lebanon
Malaysia
Maldives
Mongolia
Myanmar
Nepal
Oman
Pakistan
Philippines
Qatar
Russia
Saudi Arabia
Singapore
Sri Lanka
Syria
Taiwan
Tajikistan
Thailand
Turkey
Turkmenistan
United Arab Emirates
Uzbekistan
Vietnam
Yemen
'Asian' this and 'Asian' that!!!! Asian countries: Afghanistan Armenia Azerbaijan Bahrain Bangladesh Bhutan Brunei Burma (Myanmar) Cambodia China Georgia Hong Kong India Indonesia Iran Iraq Israel Japan Jordan Kazakhstan Korea, North Korea, South Kuwait Kyrgyzstan Laos Lebanon Malaysia Maldives Mongolia Myanmar Nepal Oman Pakistan Philippines Qatar Russia Saudi Arabia Singapore Sri Lanka Syria Taiwan Tajikistan Thailand Turkey Turkmenistan United Arab Emirates Uzbekistan Vietnam Yemen Devils Apprentice Advocate

1:13am Fri 2 Jul 10

bredandbuttered says...

eileen brd wrote:
no gay asians wot a load of rubbish i know quite a few one works in asda rooleylane bradford they are allover just to scared to come out and be counted
I think the argument here is that though there might exist gay Asians, who I think make great Ladyboys, the concept of a gay/transvestite/"he
y lets have a bit of fun up the alley" Muslim cannot exist, because theres a book (or two) published that doen't agree with same sex anal penetration.

Suddenly I have lost the will.....can't we just live together and not waste our time slagging off those who are probably more sexually enlightened than we????
[quote][p][bold]eileen brd[/bold] wrote: no gay asians wot a load of rubbish i know quite a few one works in asda rooleylane bradford they are allover just to scared to come out and be counted[/p][/quote]I think the argument here is that though there might exist gay Asians, who I think make great Ladyboys, the concept of a gay/transvestite/"he y lets have a bit of fun up the alley" Muslim cannot exist, because theres a book (or two) published that doen't agree with same sex anal penetration. Suddenly I have lost the will.....can't we just live together and not waste our time slagging off those who are probably more sexually enlightened than we???? bredandbuttered

6:41am Fri 2 Jul 10

albion says...

Devils Apprentice Advocate wrote:
'Asian' this and 'Asian' that!!!! Asian countries:

Afghanistan
Armenia
Azerbaijan
Bahrain
Bangladesh
Bhutan
Brunei
Burma (Myanmar)
Cambodia
China
Georgia
Hong Kong
India
Indonesia
Iran
Iraq
Israel
Japan
Jordan
Kazakhstan
Korea, North
Korea, South
Kuwait
Kyrgyzstan
Laos
Lebanon
Malaysia
Maldives
Mongolia
Myanmar
Nepal
Oman
Pakistan
Philippines
Qatar
Russia
Saudi Arabia
Singapore
Sri Lanka
Syria
Taiwan
Tajikistan
Thailand
Turkey
Turkmenistan
United Arab Emirates
Uzbekistan
Vietnam
Yemen
Well they wont allow people to be more specific, or rather "too specific".
[quote][p][bold]Devils Apprentice Advocate[/bold] wrote: 'Asian' this and 'Asian' that!!!! Asian countries: Afghanistan Armenia Azerbaijan Bahrain Bangladesh Bhutan Brunei Burma (Myanmar) Cambodia China Georgia Hong Kong India Indonesia Iran Iraq Israel Japan Jordan Kazakhstan Korea, North Korea, South Kuwait Kyrgyzstan Laos Lebanon Malaysia Maldives Mongolia Myanmar Nepal Oman Pakistan Philippines Qatar Russia Saudi Arabia Singapore Sri Lanka Syria Taiwan Tajikistan Thailand Turkey Turkmenistan United Arab Emirates Uzbekistan Vietnam Yemen[/p][/quote]Well they wont allow people to be more specific, or rather "too specific". albion

9:12pm Fri 2 Jul 10

thecitygent says...

Congratulations to Ann Cryer for having the guts to raise taboo issues that the politically correct brigade have been willing to sweep under the carpet. Forced marriages to first cousins have had a significant impact on the incidence of genetical defects in this city. This is a fact that the medical profession recognise. This isn't about Pak-bashing - regulation over forced marriages makes common sense, saves health resources and upholds basic human rights. Keep making it an issue Ann.
Congratulations to Ann Cryer for having the guts to raise taboo issues that the politically correct brigade have been willing to sweep under the carpet. Forced marriages to first cousins have had a significant impact on the incidence of genetical defects in this city. This is a fact that the medical profession recognise. This isn't about Pak-bashing - regulation over forced marriages makes common sense, saves health resources and upholds basic human rights. Keep making it an issue Ann. thecitygent

1:46pm Sat 3 Jul 10

bredandbuttered says...

After the brutal attack on two gay men in Bradford by a 15 strong mob I would hope that some of you on this site reflect on what effect your views about sexuality, and indeed race, can do toward fueling a hatred that will bring this once fine city down.
I feel, after listening to some of the posts on here, that I should keep off this site lest some of the sh*te rubs off on me.
How anyone can stand up and pass judgement on someone else on this planet for their differences is beyond me, and to do it in the name of The Koran or the Bible, both supposedly honorable works, just shows how warped some of your thinking is.
If Jesus or Mohammed were alive, I don't think they would look upon Bradford with pride.
I hope the two gentlemen who were attacked somehow manage to get through their ordeal with some hope left for their futures in Bradford, but I suspect they will join the growing number of Bradfordians who are fleeing this city to live peacefully and without predjudice.
After the brutal attack on two gay men in Bradford by a 15 strong mob I would hope that some of you on this site reflect on what effect your views about sexuality, and indeed race, can do toward fueling a hatred that will bring this once fine city down. I feel, after listening to some of the posts on here, that I should keep off this site lest some of the sh*te rubs off on me. How anyone can stand up and pass judgement on someone else on this planet for their differences is beyond me, and to do it in the name of The Koran or the Bible, both supposedly honorable works, just shows how warped some of your thinking is. If Jesus or Mohammed were alive, I don't think they would look upon Bradford with pride. I hope the two gentlemen who were attacked somehow manage to get through their ordeal with some hope left for their futures in Bradford, but I suspect they will join the growing number of Bradfordians who are fleeing this city to live peacefully and without predjudice. bredandbuttered

3:26pm Sat 3 Jul 10

Andraste says...

bredandbuttered wrote:
After the brutal attack on two gay men in Bradford by a 15 strong mob I would hope that some of you on this site reflect on what effect your views about sexuality, and indeed race, can do toward fueling a hatred that will bring this once fine city down.
I feel, after listening to some of the posts on here, that I should keep off this site lest some of the sh*te rubs off on me.
How anyone can stand up and pass judgement on someone else on this planet for their differences is beyond me, and to do it in the name of The Koran or the Bible, both supposedly honorable works, just shows how warped some of your thinking is.
If Jesus or Mohammed were alive, I don't think they would look upon Bradford with pride.
I hope the two gentlemen who were attacked somehow manage to get through their ordeal with some hope left for their futures in Bradford, but I suspect they will join the growing number of Bradfordians who are fleeing this city to live peacefully and without predjudice.
What if the 2 gay men were attacked by atheists ? - you know, the ones that are out on a typical Friday/Saturday night ?
.
It's wrong for you to judge that the actions of the cowardly bigots had anything to do with religion. Atheists can be just as bad.
[quote][p][bold]bredandbuttered[/bold] wrote: After the brutal attack on two gay men in Bradford by a 15 strong mob I would hope that some of you on this site reflect on what effect your views about sexuality, and indeed race, can do toward fueling a hatred that will bring this once fine city down. I feel, after listening to some of the posts on here, that I should keep off this site lest some of the sh*te rubs off on me. How anyone can stand up and pass judgement on someone else on this planet for their differences is beyond me, and to do it in the name of The Koran or the Bible, both supposedly honorable works, just shows how warped some of your thinking is. If Jesus or Mohammed were alive, I don't think they would look upon Bradford with pride. I hope the two gentlemen who were attacked somehow manage to get through their ordeal with some hope left for their futures in Bradford, but I suspect they will join the growing number of Bradfordians who are fleeing this city to live peacefully and without predjudice.[/p][/quote]What if the 2 gay men were attacked by atheists ? - you know, the ones that are out on a typical Friday/Saturday night ? . It's wrong for you to judge that the actions of the cowardly bigots had anything to do with religion. Atheists can be just as bad. Andraste

12:09am Sun 4 Jul 10

bredandbuttered says...

I was responding to some of the mindless battles between people on this site, not the mob, of whom I have no details regarding faith or colour.
I should have been more clear.
I was responding to some of the mindless battles between people on this site, not the mob, of whom I have no details regarding faith or colour. I should have been more clear. bredandbuttered

10:45pm Mon 5 Jul 10

Ca1igu1a@Bradford says...

Andraste wrote:
bredandbuttered wrote:
After the brutal attack on two gay men in Bradford by a 15 strong mob I would hope that some of you on this site reflect on what effect your views about sexuality, and indeed race, can do toward fueling a hatred that will bring this once fine city down.
I feel, after listening to some of the posts on here, that I should keep off this site lest some of the sh*te rubs off on me.
How anyone can stand up and pass judgement on someone else on this planet for their differences is beyond me, and to do it in the name of The Koran or the Bible, both supposedly honorable works, just shows how warped some of your thinking is.
If Jesus or Mohammed were alive, I don't think they would look upon Bradford with pride.
I hope the two gentlemen who were attacked somehow manage to get through their ordeal with some hope left for their futures in Bradford, but I suspect they will join the growing number of Bradfordians who are fleeing this city to live peacefully and without predjudice.
What if the 2 gay men were attacked by atheists ? - you know, the ones that are out on a typical Friday/Saturday night ?
.
It's wrong for you to judge that the actions of the cowardly bigots had anything to do with religion. Atheists can be just as bad.
As an atheist full-time working father of four I can neither afford the time or the money to be "out on a typical Friday/Saturday night."
But I thank you for your small minded and bigoted comment. I will even consider passing your obvious words of 'peace & tolerance' to my friends, some with differing sexual preferences to myself.
[quote][p][bold]Andraste[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]bredandbuttered[/bold] wrote: After the brutal attack on two gay men in Bradford by a 15 strong mob I would hope that some of you on this site reflect on what effect your views about sexuality, and indeed race, can do toward fueling a hatred that will bring this once fine city down. I feel, after listening to some of the posts on here, that I should keep off this site lest some of the sh*te rubs off on me. How anyone can stand up and pass judgement on someone else on this planet for their differences is beyond me, and to do it in the name of The Koran or the Bible, both supposedly honorable works, just shows how warped some of your thinking is. If Jesus or Mohammed were alive, I don't think they would look upon Bradford with pride. I hope the two gentlemen who were attacked somehow manage to get through their ordeal with some hope left for their futures in Bradford, but I suspect they will join the growing number of Bradfordians who are fleeing this city to live peacefully and without predjudice.[/p][/quote]What if the 2 gay men were attacked by atheists ? - you know, the ones that are out on a typical Friday/Saturday night ? . It's wrong for you to judge that the actions of the cowardly bigots had anything to do with religion. Atheists can be just as bad.[/p][/quote]As an atheist full-time working father of four I can neither afford the time or the money to be "out on a typical Friday/Saturday night." But I thank you for your small minded and bigoted comment. I will even consider passing your obvious words of 'peace & tolerance' to my friends, some with differing sexual preferences to myself. Ca1igu1a@Bradford

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