'Muslims support anti-extremism bid' (From Bradford Telegraph and Argus)

Lee wrote:
A lot of this radicalisation in the Muslim community is to do with the TRILLIONS of petrodollars recieved by areas like the Middle East. i'm sorry blaming the radical emlements on the US / UK is totally ignoring the 1400 year old book most radicals THEMSELVES claim inspired such beliefs, more lies and half truths from supposed moderates ignoring fact.

tjm5 wrote:
Alienated, I will tell you what is alienated in Bradford. The white majority, and eventually we will be forced out as muslims get to do what they want and anyone who challenges is a racist!!!

tjm5 wrote:
Never been out of work since graduating from university thank you very much. Also might be worth pointing out that the perception of Bradford outside it's crumbling city limits is of a dead or dying city where people fear to tread. Added to this is the fact that Bradford according to government statistics is the most dangerous city outside of London and is 70% deprived. And would you like to hazard a guess the make up of said deprived areas. Or is stating fact also considered racist!!!!

albion wrote:
Very well said Dr Iqbal, if people have nothing to hide they have nothing to fear.

skullzytko786 wrote:

albion wrote:
Very well said Dr Iqbal, if people have nothing to hide they have nothing to fear.

can i remind you that the Ahmadiyya people r classfield as non muslims there have diffirent belives in islam which is out of our league .there r basically KAFIR meaning devils and who the hell r there coming out and running there mouth about islam and muslim communitys. the only place these Ahmadiyya be at these casinoz and brothels and abuse the english system loanz intrest mortgage scamz business loanz scamz basically like the zionist.

thecitygent wrote:
The wonderful MsWalker is back. Yawn, the record is stuck. Rather than blame institutional racism you may care to consider the statistics for educational attainment by the Pak and Bengladeshi communities - little wonder that they don't fare too well in the jobs market. The best work ethic in respect of unskilled labour comes from the Poles/east Europeans as mployers will testify. You seem to think that our muslim friends are blameless and have no responsibility for their state of affairs. Blame the indigenous population and its institutions. They were not so unattractive to immigrants in the first place were they?

skullzytko786 wrote:

albion wrote: Very well said Dr Iqbal, if people have nothing to hide they have nothing to fear.

can i remind you that the Ahmadiyya people r classfield as non muslims there have diffirent belives in islam which is out of our league .there r basically KAFIR meaning devils and who the hell r there coming out and running there mouth about islam and muslim communitys. the only place these Ahmadiyya be at these casinoz and brothels and abuse the english system loanz intrest mortgage scamz business loanz scamz basically like the zionist.

Rambo wrote:

skullzytko786 wrote:

albion wrote: Very well said Dr Iqbal, if people have nothing to hide they have nothing to fear.

can i remind you that the Ahmadiyya people r classfield as non muslims there have diffirent belives in islam which is out of our league .there r basically KAFIR meaning devils and who the hell r there coming out and running there mouth about islam and muslim communitys. the only place these Ahmadiyya be at these casinoz and brothels and abuse the english system loanz intrest mortgage scamz business loanz scamz basically like the zionist.

Big up Ali G in da houzee.

dan155 wrote:
"So please stop blaming the average Muslim. The real problem is our foreign policy (as well as that of the US). Illegal wars being waged in Muslim countries doesn't really help anyone."

The war in Afghanistan is not illegal, the invasion was sanctioned by the United Nations and is a multinational effort involving dozens of countries. I won't have a religious minority dictating our foreign policy when the UN decides to depose a tyrant.

freedom first wrote:
Firstly, Bradford is like many other communities dotted around the uk, it is a socially engineered ghetto. They are designed this way to produce a desired effect. They have low unemployment, high crimes figures which inevitably bring many other social ills with them.(eg; hatred of other ethnicities as is displayed by the various posts on this subject)
Although this phenomenon is largely among ethnic communities, it does also include the natives
The tragedy is the people effected by these ills don't realise what they are facing, instead of trying to get out of this vicious circle, they are being sucked in deeper. People need to realise who the real enemy is, and thats not hard, its simple. Who is making these policies????.

On the matter of terrorism, and the al-Qaeda myth,(osama has now become the boogeyman, no-one is actively looking for him)
All I have to say is there is more to the picture. I can go on for hours telling you how it is, but I wont, because it is your responsibility to enlighten yourselves. Recognise the REAL ENEMY.

tjm5 wrote:
Alienated, I will tell you what is alienated in Bradford. The white majority, and eventually we will be forced out as muslims get to do what they want and anyone who challenges is a racist!!!

ms walker wrote:

thecitygent wrote: The wonderful MsWalker is back. Yawn, the record is stuck. Rather than blame institutional racism you may care to consider the statistics for educational attainment by the Pak and Bengladeshi communities - little wonder that they don't fare too well in the jobs market. The best work ethic in respect of unskilled labour comes from the Poles/east Europeans as mployers will testify. You seem to think that our muslim friends are blameless and have no responsibility for their state of affairs. Blame the indigenous population and its institutions. They were not so unattractive to immigrants in the first place were they?

I have never said they were 'blameless'. We should all take responsibility. Even you. . What I AM trying to do is redress the balance and encourage everyone - including myself - to find out more about why such situations may have arisen. You don't like that, but that's because you're too scared to confront your own fixed values and ideas. Your assumptions about me prove that. . Would you like me to pen you another poem while you try to think of something intelligent to respond with? I could write a new 'Ulysses' while I wait.

freedom first wrote:
Firstly, Bradford is like many other communities dotted around the uk, it is a socially engineered ghetto. They are designed this way to produce a desired effect. They have low unemployment, high crimes figures which inevitably bring many other social ills with them.(eg; hatred of other ethnicities as is displayed by the various posts on this subject)
Although this phenomenon is largely among ethnic communities, it does also include the natives
The tragedy is the people effected by these ills don't realise what they are facing, instead of trying to get out of this vicious circle, they are being sucked in deeper. People need to realise who the real enemy is, and thats not hard, its simple. Who is making these policies????.

On the matter of terrorism, and the al-Qaeda myth,(osama has now become the boogeyman, no-one is actively looking for him)
All I have to say is there is more to the picture. I can go on for hours telling you how it is, but I wont, because it is your responsibility to enlighten yourselves. Recognise the REAL ENEMY.

thecitygent wrote:

ms walker wrote:

thecitygent wrote: The wonderful MsWalker is back. Yawn, the record is stuck. Rather than blame institutional racism you may care to consider the statistics for educational attainment by the Pak and Bengladeshi communities - little wonder that they don't fare too well in the jobs market. The best work ethic in respect of unskilled labour comes from the Poles/east Europeans as mployers will testify. You seem to think that our muslim friends are blameless and have no responsibility for their state of affairs. Blame the indigenous population and its institutions. They were not so unattractive to immigrants in the first place were they?

I have never said they were 'blameless'. We should all take responsibility. Even you. . What I AM trying to do is redress the balance and encourage everyone - including myself - to find out more about why such situations may have arisen. You don't like that, but that's because you're too scared to confront your own fixed values and ideas. Your assumptions about me prove that. . Would you like me to pen you another poem while you try to think of something intelligent to respond with? I could write a new 'Ulysses' while I wait.

Sorry for the delay in reply Ms Walker, distractions such as *work* and generating tax revenues for HMT to deal with. Maybe the start of your journey of self-discovery in Bradford will be to open your eyes. Good luck.

Andraste wrote:

freedom first wrote:
Firstly, Bradford is like many other communities dotted around the uk, it is a socially engineered ghetto. They are designed this way to produce a desired effect. They have low unemployment, high crimes figures which inevitably bring many other social ills with them.(eg; hatred of other ethnicities as is displayed by the various posts on this subject)
Although this phenomenon is largely among ethnic communities, it does also include the natives
The tragedy is the people effected by these ills don't realise what they are facing, instead of trying to get out of this vicious circle, they are being sucked in deeper. People need to realise who the real enemy is, and thats not hard, its simple. Who is making these policies????.

On the matter of terrorism, and the al-Qaeda myth,(osama has now become the boogeyman, no-one is actively looking for him)
All I have to say is there is more to the picture. I can go on for hours telling you how it is, but I wont, because it is your responsibility to enlighten yourselves. Recognise the REAL ENEMY.

Are you saying the government's the real enemy ?

ms walker wrote:

Andraste wrote:

freedom first wrote:
Firstly, Bradford is like many other communities dotted around the uk, it is a socially engineered ghetto. They are designed this way to produce a desired effect. They have low unemployment, high crimes figures which inevitably bring many other social ills with them.(eg; hatred of other ethnicities as is displayed by the various posts on this subject)
Although this phenomenon is largely among ethnic communities, it does also include the natives
The tragedy is the people effected by these ills don't realise what they are facing, instead of trying to get out of this vicious circle, they are being sucked in deeper. People need to realise who the real enemy is, and thats not hard, its simple. Who is making these policies????.

On the matter of terrorism, and the al-Qaeda myth,(osama has now become the boogeyman, no-one is actively looking for him)
All I have to say is there is more to the picture. I can go on for hours telling you how it is, but I wont, because it is your responsibility to enlighten yourselves. Recognise the REAL ENEMY.

Are you saying the government's the real enemy ?

I think the real enemy is ignorance. On all sides.

ms walker wrote:
The EDL are a completely different issue, eccy.

lonniejockstrap wrote:

dan155 wrote:
"So please stop blaming the average Muslim. The real problem is our foreign policy (as well as that of the US). Illegal wars being waged in Muslim countries doesn't really help anyone."

The war in Afghanistan is not illegal, the invasion was sanctioned by the United Nations and is a multinational effort involving dozens of countries. I won't have a religious minority dictating our foreign policy when the UN decides to depose a tyrant.

dan, you are incorrect about the UN sanctioning the invasion of Afghanistan. They did not!
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There is no UN Security Council resolution authorizing the United States, whether alone or in coalition with other countries, to attack Afghanistan.
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Anyway, the Security Council is no neutral body. Of its fifteen members, the five permanent ones (the United States, the United Kingdom, France, Russia, and China) have veto power, impairing the Council’s capacity to prevent a war being conducted by any of the five. The ten remaining Council members are chosen from the UN member countries for rotating two-year terms. In practice, these ten rotating members are pressured by the United States to vote in its favour. Since the end of the Cold War, the Security Council has been dominated by the American agenda, even though Russian and Chinese interests have occasionally obstructed it. The US will do whatever it feels it needs to do, with or without the backing of the UN or any other organisation.
Quote from former US Permanent Representative to the UN John Bolton 'There is no such thing as the United Nations. There is only the international community, which can only be led by the only remaining superpower, which is the United States, when it suits our interest and we can get others to go along… When the United States leads, the United Nations will follow. When it suits our interest to do so, we will do so. When it does not suit our interests we will not'.

albion wrote:

lonniejockstrap wrote:

dan155 wrote:
"So please stop blaming the average Muslim. The real problem is our foreign policy (as well as that of the US). Illegal wars being waged in Muslim countries doesn't really help anyone."

The war in Afghanistan is not illegal, the invasion was sanctioned by the United Nations and is a multinational effort involving dozens of countries. I won't have a religious minority dictating our foreign policy when the UN decides to depose a tyrant.

dan, you are incorrect about the UN sanctioning the invasion of Afghanistan. They did not!
.
There is no UN Security Council resolution authorizing the United States, whether alone or in coalition with other countries, to attack Afghanistan.
.
Anyway, the Security Council is no neutral body. Of its fifteen members, the five permanent ones (the United States, the United Kingdom, France, Russia, and China) have veto power, impairing the Council’s capacity to prevent a war being conducted by any of the five. The ten remaining Council members are chosen from the UN member countries for rotating two-year terms. In practice, these ten rotating members are pressured by the United States to vote in its favour. Since the end of the Cold War, the Security Council has been dominated by the American agenda, even though Russian and Chinese interests have occasionally obstructed it. The US will do whatever it feels it needs to do, with or without the backing of the UN or any other organisation.
Quote from former US Permanent Representative to the UN John Bolton 'There is no such thing as the United Nations. There is only the international community, which can only be led by the only remaining superpower, which is the United States, when it suits our interest and we can get others to go along… When the United States leads, the United Nations will follow. When it suits our interest to do so, we will do so. When it does not suit our interests we will not'.

http://en.wikipedia.
org/wiki/United_Nati
ons_Security_Council
_Resolution_1267
Information on the link would suggest that the invasion was covered by previously imposed sanctions against certain individuals and organisations wherever they might be found.

eccythump wrote:

ms walker wrote:
The EDL are a completely different issue, eccy.

Really? It seems to me, these people will accept government money, to supposedly facilitate their stemming the tide of radicalisation. But they will not actually stand up and be counted, on the streets, against it! Whether the EDL are present or not, why will they not do this?

ms walker wrote:

eccythump wrote:

ms walker wrote: The EDL are a completely different issue, eccy.

Really? It seems to me, these people will accept government money, to supposedly facilitate their stemming the tide of radicalisation. But they will not actually stand up and be counted, on the streets, against it! Whether the EDL are present or not, why will they not do this?

If the EDL were present I certainly wouldn't stand alongside a load of ex-football hooligans hiding their nagenda behind middle-england's flag, eccy. But read the article, it says why they find it difficult to accept. "it’s stigmatising the image of the Muslim community and a lot of people were concerned that the Government’s blanket naming of the Muslim community was not a good thing". As was pointed out earlier, terrorism is not the sole preserve of fundamentalist Islam - the nail bombs in Brixton preceded the attacks on the World Trade Centre. So perhaps the question you might like to answer is, are you prepared to stand up and be counted in the fight against white supremacism and racism?

ms walker wrote:

eccythump wrote:

ms walker wrote: The EDL are a completely different issue, eccy.

Really? It seems to me, these people will accept government money, to supposedly facilitate their stemming the tide of radicalisation. But they will not actually stand up and be counted, on the streets, against it! Whether the EDL are present or not, why will they not do this?

If the EDL were present I certainly wouldn't stand alongside a load of ex-football hooligans hiding their nagenda behind middle-england's flag, eccy. But read the article, it says why they find it difficult to accept. "it’s stigmatising the image of the Muslim community and a lot of people were concerned that the Government’s blanket naming of the Muslim community was not a good thing". As was pointed out earlier, terrorism is not the sole preserve of fundamentalist Islam - the nail bombs in Brixton preceded the attacks on the World Trade Centre. So perhaps the question you might like to answer is, are you prepared to stand up and be counted in the fight against white supremacism and racism?

ms walker wrote:

eccythump wrote:

ms walker wrote: The EDL are a completely different issue, eccy.

Really? It seems to me, these people will accept government money, to supposedly facilitate their stemming the tide of radicalisation. But they will not actually stand up and be counted, on the streets, against it! Whether the EDL are present or not, why will they not do this?

If the EDL were present I certainly wouldn't stand alongside a load of ex-football hooligans hiding their nagenda behind middle-england's flag, eccy. But read the article, it says why they find it difficult to accept. "it’s stigmatising the image of the Muslim community and a lot of people were concerned that the Government’s blanket naming of the Muslim community was not a good thing". As was pointed out earlier, terrorism is not the sole preserve of fundamentalist Islam - the nail bombs in Brixton preceded the attacks on the World Trade Centre. So perhaps the question you might like to answer is, are you prepared to stand up and be counted in the fight against white supremacism and racism?

ms walker wrote:

thecitygent wrote: The wonderful MsWalker is back. Yawn, the record is stuck. Rather than blame institutional racism you may care to consider the statistics for educational attainment by the Pak and Bengladeshi communities - little wonder that they don't fare too well in the jobs market. The best work ethic in respect of unskilled labour comes from the Poles/east Europeans as mployers will testify. You seem to think that our muslim friends are blameless and have no responsibility for their state of affairs. Blame the indigenous population and its institutions. They were not so unattractive to immigrants in the first place were they?

I have never said they were 'blameless'. We should all take responsibility. Even you. . What I AM trying to do is redress the balance and encourage everyone - including myself - to find out more about why such situations may have arisen. You don't like that, but that's because you're too scared to confront your own fixed values and ideas. Your assumptions about me prove that. . Would you like me to pen you another poem while you try to think of something intelligent to respond with? I could write a new 'Ulysses' while I wait.

Stan Dandyliver wrote:

ms walker wrote:

eccythump wrote:

ms walker wrote: The EDL are a completely different issue, eccy.

Really? It seems to me, these people will accept government money, to supposedly facilitate their stemming the tide of radicalisation. But they will not actually stand up and be counted, on the streets, against it! Whether the EDL are present or not, why will they not do this?

If the EDL were present I certainly wouldn't stand alongside a load of ex-football hooligans hiding their nagenda behind middle-england's flag, eccy. But read the article, it says why they find it difficult to accept. "it’s stigmatising the image of the Muslim community and a lot of people were concerned that the Government’s blanket naming of the Muslim community was not a good thing". As was pointed out earlier, terrorism is not the sole preserve of fundamentalist Islam - the nail bombs in Brixton preceded the attacks on the World Trade Centre. So perhaps the question you might like to answer is, are you prepared to stand up and be counted in the fight against white supremacism and racism?

As opposed to standing up and be counted in the fight against black supremacism and Islamic fascist racism and sexism? What a shallow, imbalanced, demented old husk of a hag you really are. And yes, when it comes to hideous and self-deluded Anglo-Saxon bashers like you, I am more than prepared to stand up, be counted, make it personal and meet both you, and the sad leeches on England's resources that you so vehemently represent, head on. You would be surprised at the depth of feeling in this country against your sort, though even faced with proof you would deny the truth. Just because you and the vocal minority shout the loudest doesn't mean that the sleeping giant of English nationalism doesn't exist. Count the days to the awakening, you poisonous turncoat.

albion wrote:
"The military campaign in Afghanistan was not specifically mandated by the UN, but was widely (although not universally) perceived to be a legitimate form of self-defence under the UN Charter. The ISAF force, of which British forces in Afghanistan form a part, is fully mandated by the UN."
Like most religious or political writings, its all in the interpretation.
The above is from House of Commons files.

reportmeagain wrote:

Stan Dandyliver wrote:

ms walker wrote:

eccythump wrote:

ms walker wrote: The EDL are a completely different issue, eccy.

Really? It seems to me, these people will accept government money, to supposedly facilitate their stemming the tide of radicalisation. But they will not actually stand up and be counted, on the streets, against it! Whether the EDL are present or not, why will they not do this?

If the EDL were present I certainly wouldn't stand alongside a load of ex-football hooligans hiding their nagenda behind middle-england's flag, eccy. But read the article, it says why they find it difficult to accept. "it’s stigmatising the image of the Muslim community and a lot of people were concerned that the Government’s blanket naming of the Muslim community was not a good thing". As was pointed out earlier, terrorism is not the sole preserve of fundamentalist Islam - the nail bombs in Brixton preceded the attacks on the World Trade Centre. So perhaps the question you might like to answer is, are you prepared to stand up and be counted in the fight against white supremacism and racism?

As opposed to standing up and be counted in the fight against black supremacism and Islamic fascist racism and sexism? What a shallow, imbalanced, demented old husk of a hag you really are. And yes, when it comes to hideous and self-deluded Anglo-Saxon bashers like you, I am more than prepared to stand up, be counted, make it personal and meet both you, and the sad leeches on England's resources that you so vehemently represent, head on. You would be surprised at the depth of feeling in this country against your sort, though even faced with proof you would deny the truth. Just because you and the vocal minority shout the loudest doesn't mean that the sleeping giant of English nationalism doesn't exist. Count the days to the awakening, you poisonous turncoat.

You are so right,cant fault a single thing you've posted but you will probably be removed for posting it,keep the faith.

dan155 wrote:

albion wrote:
"The military campaign in Afghanistan was not specifically mandated by the UN, but was widely (although not universally) perceived to be a legitimate form of self-defence under the UN Charter. The ISAF force, of which British forces in Afghanistan form a part, is fully mandated by the UN."
Like most religious or political writings, its all in the interpretation.
The above is from House of Commons files.

Ditto, there was no major objection to the invasion from the U.N, unlike Iraq. On top of this the Taliban were never recognised by the UN as the legitimate leaders of Afghanistan, only a small handful of countries including Pakistan and Saudi Arabia acknowledged their government.

nevisthecat wrote:
Firstly, all those citing the attack on the pregnant lady by an Asian seem to omit the attack on the Asian taxi driver by 3 whites. A sense of balance please.

Secondly, Ms Walker raises a good point. We in the UK have little or no understanding of the history of the middle east. The US/ UK did support the over throw of a denmocratic government in Iran to secure their oil interests. Imagine if the UK government was systematically undermined and then usurped by a foreign government. I can imagie the EDL and their moronic chums would have a few things to say about that.

This is a highly complex geo-political situation, it is not a case of muslims v the world. Gretaer understnaing of the situation would be a benefit to all side.

As for he EDL / BNP - pray tell what is an "Anglo-Saxon", what is "Englishness"? We are a mongrel race. Since 1006 we have been ruled by the French, Scots, Dutch and Germans. The thing that makes England and the UK special, is the fact that it does take in the oppressed. We have not had a pogrom since the middle ages, unlike Europe. We have risen above most of the other countries in the world in the way we treat those who come to us for refuge, and that makes me proud to be "English". That is why I did my time in the armed forces, not because of some massively erroneous idea of "white Englishness" but becasue we stand up to bullies and oppression, and we grant freedom. The EDL and the BNP are bullies and they attract those who are quite frankly, thick as **** with all the political and historical knowledge of a tapeworm.

eccythump wrote:
Ms Walker proudly quoting nevis:-

"We have risen above most of the other countries in the world in the way we treat those who come to us for refuge, and that makes me proud to be "English".

Yes, and what a lot of good this has done us, hasn't it? We are not seen as freedom fighters and a benevolent, charitable, caring people. Don't make me laugh! We are seen as a laughing stock, and an easy mark, even those who have lived here for generations, despise us for our foreign policies, we are expected to bow and scrape, and beg forgiveness for the indiscretions of our empirical past. Why should my generation have to do this? hundreds if not thousands, are plotting as we speak to destroy us from within. I may be a mongrel, but I would not bite the hand that feeds me, that is the job of a snake, nay a viper in our bosom.

ms walker wrote:
"hundreds if not thousands, are plotting as we speak to destroy us from within."
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So as well as islamic fundamentalists, this would presumably include terrorist plotters such as
Tony Lecomber
Ian Davison
Nicky Davison
Neil Lewington
Terence Gavan
Robert Cottage
Allen Boyce
Terry Collins
Mark Bullman
David Copeland

All of whom I understand have links to the BNP.

They are all the same, these misguided people who use violence to spread hatred, fear and dissent.
Do you see that?

ms walker wrote:
@ Albion and Eccy:
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So that makes it acceptable does it?
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We can plot to blow people up, and shoot them, and poison them, but just as long as we're part of a half-baked quasi-political party, don't claim benefits and don't go to church? Just as long as it's because we hate brown people who wear different clothes and worship God in a different way, that makes it ok?!
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Do you two ever THINK about what kind of message you're sending out??!
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ms walker wrote:
@ Albion and Eccy: ! So that makes it acceptable does it? . We can plot to blow people up, and shoot them, and poison them, but just as long as we're part of a half-baked quasi-political party, don't claim benefits and don't go to church? Just as long as it's because we hate brown people who wear different clothes and worship God in a different way, that makes it ok?! . Do you two ever THINK about what kind of message you're sending out??! .

albion wrote:

ms walker wrote:
@ Albion and Eccy:
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So that makes it acceptable does it?
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We can plot to blow people up, and shoot them, and poison them, but just as long as we're part of a half-baked quasi-political party, don't claim benefits and don't go to church? Just as long as it's because we hate brown people who wear different clothes and worship God in a different way, that makes it ok?!
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Do you two ever THINK about what kind of message you're sending out??!
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Nothing makes it "acceptable" but the people you listed are in the main crackpot loners and there has always been such characters throughout history.
Samples of Imams and their equivalents preaching hate and death to unbelievers are easily found online as are passages from Islamic text saying similar things, some claim that they are taken out of context when they are printed on forums but some terrorists claiming to act in the name of their religion interpret them in the same manner.
I would wish you a happy Easter but I have no time for that lot either, but greetings anyway.

eccythump wrote:

ms walker wrote:
@ Albion and Eccy: ! So that makes it acceptable does it? . We can plot to blow people up, and shoot them, and poison them, but just as long as we're part of a half-baked quasi-political party, don't claim benefits and don't go to church? Just as long as it's because we hate brown people who wear different clothes and worship God in a different way, that makes it ok?! . Do you two ever THINK about what kind of message you're sending out??! .

Are you deliberately mis-representing what I have said, or just stupid, how dare you! Show me, quote where I even intimated, that terrorism is in any way acceptable! My abhorrence of it, is the main reason I began commenting on here in the first place. Fool!

albion wrote:
Peaceful terrorists! NICE.

ms walker wrote:

eccythump wrote:

ms walker wrote: @ Albion and Eccy: ! So that makes it acceptable does it? . We can plot to blow people up, and shoot them, and poison them, but just as long as we're part of a half-baked quasi-political party, don't claim benefits and don't go to church? Just as long as it's because we hate brown people who wear different clothes and worship God in a different way, that makes it ok?! . Do you two ever THINK about what kind of message you're sending out??! .

Are you deliberately mis-representing what I have said, or just stupid, how dare you! Show me, quote where I even intimated, that terrorism is in any way acceptable! My abhorrence of it, is the main reason I began commenting on here in the first place. Fool!

You have only indicated your abhorrence of Islam so far, Eccy. Do we take this as tacit abhorrence of white supremacists too? :-) . Are you in fact a Liberal, like me?? . You have a great disguise Sir, I'd never have guessed!

eccythump wrote:

ms walker wrote:

eccythump wrote:

ms walker wrote: @ Albion and Eccy: ! So that makes it acceptable does it? . We can plot to blow people up, and shoot them, and poison them, but just as long as we're part of a half-baked quasi-political party, don't claim benefits and don't go to church? Just as long as it's because we hate brown people who wear different clothes and worship God in a different way, that makes it ok?! . Do you two ever THINK about what kind of message you're sending out??! .

Are you deliberately mis-representing what I have said, or just stupid, how dare you! Show me, quote where I even intimated, that terrorism is in any way acceptable! My abhorrence of it, is the main reason I began commenting on here in the first place. Fool!

You have only indicated your abhorrence of Islam so far, Eccy. Do we take this as tacit abhorrence of white supremacists too? :-) . Are you in fact a Liberal, like me?? . You have a great disguise Sir, I'd never have guessed!

The thread is about Muslim leaders in Bradford, (remember) ergo that is the jist of my comments, and I think I have indicated my abhorrence of terrorism in any way shape or form in my very last post! I also stated earlier that I have an ample bosom, so the title "sir" does not apply.

interpretation wrote:
"As far as Islam is concerned, it categorically rejects and condemns every form of terrorism. It does not provide any cover or justification for any act of violence, be it committed by an individual, a group or a government" It is unfortunate that Islam, the religion of peace, hope, harmony, goodwill and brotherhood had been badly tarnished by the perpetrators of various terrorists acts and barbarism. Goverments need to concentrate their efforts for the sake of national security on all terrorist organisations. In this case the terrorist are using the face of religion as a mask to their plots. The UK government supports worship and encourages worshippers in their religous obligations. As Muslims, we support the government in capturing the cause to terrorists.

interpretation wrote:
"As far as Islam is concerned, it categorically rejects and condemns every form of terrorism. It does not provide any cover or justification for any act of violence, be it committed by an individual, a group or a government"

It is unfortunate that Islam, the religion of peace, hope, harmony, goodwill and brotherhood had been badly tarnished by the perpetrators of various terrorists acts and barbarism.

Goverments need to concentrate their efforts for the sake of national security on all terrorist organisations. In this case the terrorist are using the face of religion as a mask to their plots.

The UK government supports worship and encourages worshippers in their religous obligations. As Muslims, we support the government in capturing the cause to terrorists.

albion wrote:

interpretation wrote:
"As far as Islam is concerned, it categorically rejects and condemns every form of terrorism. It does not provide any cover or justification for any act of violence, be it committed by an individual, a group or a government"

It is unfortunate that Islam, the religion of peace, hope, harmony, goodwill and brotherhood had been badly tarnished by the perpetrators of various terrorists acts and barbarism.

Goverments need to concentrate their efforts for the sake of national security on all terrorist organisations. In this case the terrorist are using the face of religion as a mask to their plots.

The UK government supports worship and encourages worshippers in their religous obligations. As Muslims, we support the government in capturing the cause to terrorists.

"Goverments need to concentrate their efforts for the sake of national security on all terrorist organisations. In this case the terrorist are using the face of religion as a mask to their plots"
And make up 99% of active terrorists.