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Bradford campaigners welcome 'Dogbo' orders proposal


Campaigners in Bradford wanting to curb dangerous dogs have welcomed proposed Government changes that could see new ‘Dogbo’ orders unleashed on irresponsible owners.

Other measures which could be part of the revamped Dangerous Dogs Act include forcing every dog owner to take out third party insurance and to have their dog micro-chipped.

Ministers are also considering introducing New Dog Control Notices for misbehaving animals which would allow police officers and council officials to force miscreant owners to muzzle, leash or even neuter their pets.

In extreme cases the dogs could even be confiscated and given to new owners.

The proposals – aimed at tackling the growing problem of vicious animals being bred for use as weapons – are “better late than never” said campaigner Elizabeth Hellmich, of Bradford’s SAFE project, who was instrumental in getting more than 1,000 names on the Telegraph & Argus’s own Curb the Danger Dogs petition which was handed to the Government in 2006.

If changes happen it could also be a criminal offence for a dog owner to allow their animal to be “dangerously out of control”. At the moment they are only breaking the law if the dog is out of control in a public place.

There is also concern about the widespread use of dogs as weapons on inner city estates.

Home Secretary Alan Johnson said: “Britain is a nation of animal lovers, but people have a fundamental right to feel safe on the streets and in their homes.”

That is a belief shared by Mrs Hellmich who today said she was happy at the talk of proposals but feared they were still “a little vague”.

She said: “I think it’s a good idea to have a public consultation on this because changes are much needed but the amendments must be clear and thorough.”

She would want to see an age limit imposed on owners of ‘status-symbol dogs’ such as Rottweilers, akitas, pit bull types and, in some cases, huskies.

Mrs Hellmich said: “I’d say 35 or 40 would be an accepted age that owners should be more responsible. I’d also like to see an age restriction on anyone walking those kind of dogs for owners.

“Compulsory micro-chipping to give a vital history trail would be invaluable, it’s too easy for dogs with a violent past to be passed on for re-housing to some poor un-suspecting family.”

The RSPCA has welcomed the Government’s decision to consult the public on its proposals. The charity said there was “a real need” for updated legislation to tackle the problem.

Claire Robinson, the RSPCA’s Government relations manager, said: “It is fantastic news that the Government has opened a genuine debate on the subject and given the public a chance to have their say on the best way to tackle the issue of dogs being used anti-socially.”

Councillor Anne Hawkesworth, Bradford Council’s executive member for environment and culture, said: “Bradford Council would welcome any change in the law which encourages dog owners to take more responsibility for the behaviour of their pets and to make the law easier to enforce against irresponsible owners.”

Comments(23)

Newswatcher says...
11:02am Wed 10 Mar 10

While I agree that dangerous dogs must be controlled these proposals will only target responsible owners.
My dog is a small mild mannered family pet (not a "dangerous" dog) and an important part of the family for my wife and I who are both retired.
The dog is always under control and has third party insurance.
Will the nusance owners take any notice of rules any more than they do car tax and insurance? I seriously doubt it.
To make any controls work would require a registration scheme which would once again only effect responsible owners.
Soft targets every time!

mad matt says...
11:38am Wed 10 Mar 10

Newswatcher wrote:
While I agree that dangerous dogs must be controlled these proposals will only target responsible owners. My dog is a small mild mannered family pet (not a "dangerous" dog) and an important part of the family for my wife and I who are both retired. The dog is always under control and has third party insurance. Will the nusance owners take any notice of rules any more than they do car tax and insurance? I seriously doubt it. To make any controls work would require a registration scheme which would once again only effect responsible owners. Soft targets every time!
Whilst I do agree with everything you say, I do think that the government are thrashing around in the dark about this.
Obviously it's the owners who are at fault, but I don't know how they can be held responsible.
Possibly every animal could be microchipped and registered. Then you would need a much larger Dog Warden Service, authorised to scan animals at random and sieze any animals that are not chipped.
Any responsible owner I'm sure would be perfectly happy to get their dog chipped as the cost could be brought down to a level where even unemployed people could afford it.

lanzaman says...
11:57am Wed 10 Mar 10

I also agree the public should be safeguarded against danger, be it dogs or anything else. The idea that Billy Scrote will insure his dog is complete lunacy. It all relates to the persons childhood, they are often allowed to do what they want without disciplne, this is evident throughout school. And so they continue as dog owners, they will do as they please which will include avoiding insurance and the same people will not be clearing up after their dogs either. It's just like uninsured drivers, they live in a lawless society, they don't bother with work, so if ever caught can claim they have no money and get away with it. Rant over!

albion says...
12:14pm Wed 10 Mar 10

As someone who has trained and bred dogs I have to say that most of the ones that I see about are very often in the hands of persons who obviously dont know what they are doing, maybe potential owners should have to complete some form of training before being granted a licence.
Whatever happens you can never guarantee 100% safety when animals are nearby, but I usually feel safer in their company than some of the stray persons wandering the streets.

ItchyBungle says...
12:21pm Wed 10 Mar 10

IANZAMAN - Should the public really be protected from danger? It is a very bold and ambiguous statement. You need a bit of danger in your life, it is what makes us feel alive. However people doing what they can do to reduce risk is a good thing.
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My thoughts on this story is that it appears as though the government is having a scattergun approach in terms of its policies as they know a general election is looming and they want to "reach" as many people as possible.
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One thing that the T&A missed out of their report is that one of the major factors in the DDA 1990 being introduced was after a young girl in Bradford Moor was badly attacked by a dog.

tyker says...
12:29pm Wed 10 Mar 10

the only problems with the new scheme is that those who already lawfully own dogs will have to pay more.

let's get radical ALL DOGS SHOULD BE CHIPPED.

if any dog is found not to be chipped it should be put down:no questions asked.

if any dog is taken to the RSPCA/any vet surgeon and it is not chipped then it has to be PUT down:no questions asked.

additionally any injuries to a dog which are attributed to fighting etc then a full report has to be made to the police and RSPCA if they are not already incvolved.

PROSECUTIONS SHOULD ALSO FOLLOW

tesa says...
12:45pm Wed 10 Mar 10

my son was attacked by a japanese akita in feb just before the young asian girl was by a rottweiller.... i did not report it to the papers for coveridge but did send an email in to ask why the dog that had attcked her had been destroyed yet the one that attcked my son ( that had bitten before) was not and is still left at the address 3 doors from a local school and within reach of the rest of the family and the children in the house!!
this ruling is total madness in my eyes... i own a rottweiller that is a pet!!!! looked after well and i would say im a responsible dog owner so yet again people like myself get punished for the moronic idiots whom meerly want a status symbol!!!

Avro says...
12:58pm Wed 10 Mar 10

All dogs should be chipped and a licence fee paid of say £100!

Even though Housing Associations and the Council have clamped down on tenants responsibilty for dog ownership, its quite obvious that many simply ignore the rules and stick two fingers up at society, a brief drive around any estate show's exactly the sorts that own these status symbol dog's, and how many roam the street's with them!

Steve Mac for the Sack. says...
2:11pm Wed 10 Mar 10

Here is an idea, why don't we destroy every other person who savagley attacks a dog instead of issueing them with a 'ban' on owning animals

Why don't we start removing people from houses with a big stick with a noose on the end?

How about we have age restrcitons for people having babies that will grow into dangerous adults...and when they do, why don't we destroy them aswell?

Why don't we start reporting and making a big deal about the thousands of incidents involving dogs other than bull terriers, rottweilers and akitas that attack humans every year and why don't we treat them with the same contempt that the above mentioned breeds are treated.

I'd love to manhandle those police officers like they are doing to that animal in the photo.

cheeky1 says...
2:16pm Wed 10 Mar 10

My dog is a family pet....and lives in the house with us!He doesn't spend his life outside in the garden!He is a member of my family...but he knows his place!I am alpha female and he is below me in the pack!His best friend is a cat!(well a couple)Dogs are mans best friend yet we treat them so SH**TY and why for fashion or as weapons!What a waste of such good freindship!

albion says...
2:28pm Wed 10 Mar 10

Steve Mac for the Sack. wrote:
Here is an idea, why don't we destroy every other person who savagley attacks a dog instead of issueing them with a 'ban' on owning animals

Why don't we start removing people from houses with a big stick with a noose on the end?

How about we have age restrcitons for people having babies that will grow into dangerous adults...and when they do, why don't we destroy them aswell?

Why don't we start reporting and making a big deal about the thousands of incidents involving dogs other than bull terriers, rottweilers and akitas that attack humans every year and why don't we treat them with the same contempt that the above mentioned breeds are treated.

I'd love to manhandle those police officers like they are doing to that animal in the photo.
The officers in the photo are trying to protect their own safety, which is something taught to people in official positions (if the animal won then anything could happen).
How do you know what the dog has done? it might well have just ripped a child apart!
The breeds that you listed while not being the only dogs that can be dangerous are powerful animals which would be likely to do more damage and be harder to escape the clutches of than many breeds.
I would agree that the penalties for those convicted of mistreating animals are wholly inadequate.

tesa says...
2:31pm Wed 10 Mar 10

Here is an idea, why don't we destroy every other person who savagley attacks a dog instead of issueing them with a 'ban' on owning animals

Why don't we start removing people from houses with a big stick with a noose on the end?

How about we have age restrcitons for people having babies that will grow into dangerous adults...and when they do, why don't we destroy them aswell?

Why don't we start reporting and making a big deal about the thousands of incidents involving dogs other than bull terriers, rottweilers and akitas that attack humans every year and why don't we treat them with the same contempt that the above mentioned breeds are treated.

I'd love to manhandle those police officers like they are doing to that animal in the photo.

i totally agree with every comment made.... its disgusting that some breeds are used for there size by morons to look "hard" this is what is getting these breeds a bad name yet there are plenty of decent humans who have the listed breeds and they are family!!!! pets.... !!!

this goverment is beyond repair and no matter what laws they bring in yt again its just a sppit in the face of decent animal owners who pay the price.

tyker says...
2:33pm Wed 10 Mar 10

the picture looks like the dog is having fun taking two policemen for a walk

CHLOE SIMPSON PUDSEY says...
2:56pm Wed 10 Mar 10

My names Chloe i'm 21 and live in pudsey.
Today I was reading your article on 'curbs on danger dogs get welcome'. I don't understand why Staffie's and pit bulls all get ladbled? I have 2 staffordshire bull terriers and they are the most loving loyal dogs. I also have 5 cats? Now if they were so vicious and horrible dogs then why haven't they killed my cats? The cats and the dogs sleep together. Even the rabbit wants to come out her cage to play with them.

Its not the dogs fault if they turn vicious. Its the owners. My Bella and Lilly have 2 other dog friends that we go on walks with every sunday. One is a boxer dog and the other is a poodle. They get on like there family. And if a big dog comes near my girls they literally turn to jelly and cower away.

If any thing i think people should be looking at the owners and not going after these poor helpless animals.

Any dog can turn, even a labrador which i believe is a family pet?

And as for the women that was attacked by the pit bull a week ago in the bradford area, she would of been showing the dog that she was scared and the dog would of got scared and with the builders hitting the poor thing with a shovel no wonder the dog didn't let go. i wouldn't.

albion says...
3:07pm Wed 10 Mar 10

CHLOE SIMPSON PUDSEY wrote:
My names Chloe i'm 21 and live in pudsey.
Today I was reading your article on 'curbs on danger dogs get welcome'. I don't understand why Staffie's and pit bulls all get ladbled? I have 2 staffordshire bull terriers and they are the most loving loyal dogs. I also have 5 cats? Now if they were so vicious and horrible dogs then why haven't they killed my cats? The cats and the dogs sleep together. Even the rabbit wants to come out her cage to play with them.

Its not the dogs fault if they turn vicious. Its the owners. My Bella and Lilly have 2 other dog friends that we go on walks with every sunday. One is a boxer dog and the other is a poodle. They get on like there family. And if a big dog comes near my girls they literally turn to jelly and cower away.

If any thing i think people should be looking at the owners and not going after these poor helpless animals.

Any dog can turn, even a labrador which i believe is a family pet?

And as for the women that was attacked by the pit bull a week ago in the bradford area, she would of been showing the dog that she was scared and the dog would of got scared and with the builders hitting the poor thing with a shovel no wonder the dog didn't let go. i wouldn't.
What were the builders meant to do, go to the nearest supermarket for a box of dog treats? Their action (reaction) was brave and well intentioned.

lanzaman says...
3:17pm Wed 10 Mar 10

ItchyBungle wrote:
IANZAMAN - Should the public really be protected from danger? It is a very bold and ambiguous statement. You need a bit of danger in your life, it is what makes us feel alive. However people doing what they can do to reduce risk is a good thing. . My thoughts on this story is that it appears as though the government is having a scattergun approach in terms of its policies as they know a general election is looming and they want to "reach" as many people as possible. . One thing that the T&A missed out of their report is that one of the major factors in the DDA 1990 being introduced was after a young girl in Bradford Moor was badly attacked by a dog.
It was a little ambiguous. My point was, we have controls in place, to make sure cars do not speed, that we cannot be robbed etc and should that happen we have cause for redress. Equally there is already something in place, which when a person is savaged by an animal, they can call upon. It's the police. Does anyone really expect Dogbo's to be handed out and who would 'police' this. And will the owners take any notice. I think not. The Government are always coming up with rediculous, headline catching, ideas, especially near to an election.

Steve Mac for the Sack. says...
3:24pm Wed 10 Mar 10

albion wrote:
Steve Mac for the Sack. wrote: Here is an idea, why don't we destroy every other person who savagley attacks a dog instead of issueing them with a 'ban' on owning animals Why don't we start removing people from houses with a big stick with a noose on the end? How about we have age restrcitons for people having babies that will grow into dangerous adults...and when they do, why don't we destroy them aswell? Why don't we start reporting and making a big deal about the thousands of incidents involving dogs other than bull terriers, rottweilers and akitas that attack humans every year and why don't we treat them with the same contempt that the above mentioned breeds are treated. I'd love to manhandle those police officers like they are doing to that animal in the photo.
The officers in the photo are trying to protect their own safety, which is something taught to people in official positions (if the animal won then anything could happen). How do you know what the dog has done? it might well have just ripped a child apart! The breeds that you listed while not being the only dogs that can be dangerous are powerful animals which would be likely to do more damage and be harder to escape the clutches of than many breeds. I would agree that the penalties for those convicted of mistreating animals are wholly inadequate.
Albion, I can only go on the information given in the article, which suggests that the dog was removed during a raid on it's owners home and nothing such as savaging a child.

It's no surprise that it looks as if it wants to savage the police officers though, how would you feel if somebody came along to your home and proceeded to remove you in the way they are doing, would you want to smack the hell out of them?

The fact is this. Animals have as much right to live a life without being manhandled and destroyed as an when the powers that be choose as humans. And in particular the treatment and contempt towards powerful breeds of dogs in this country is nothing short of barbaric in comparison to toher breeds at times.

cheeky1 says...
3:33pm Wed 10 Mar 10

Like I said b4...mans best friend!Yes they are......but I suppose today we don't treat our friends very well either!

albion says...
4:31pm Wed 10 Mar 10

Steve Mac for the Sack. wrote:
albion wrote:
Steve Mac for the Sack. wrote: Here is an idea, why don't we destroy every other person who savagley attacks a dog instead of issueing them with a 'ban' on owning animals Why don't we start removing people from houses with a big stick with a noose on the end? How about we have age restrcitons for people having babies that will grow into dangerous adults...and when they do, why don't we destroy them aswell? Why don't we start reporting and making a big deal about the thousands of incidents involving dogs other than bull terriers, rottweilers and akitas that attack humans every year and why don't we treat them with the same contempt that the above mentioned breeds are treated. I'd love to manhandle those police officers like they are doing to that animal in the photo.
The officers in the photo are trying to protect their own safety, which is something taught to people in official positions (if the animal won then anything could happen). How do you know what the dog has done? it might well have just ripped a child apart! The breeds that you listed while not being the only dogs that can be dangerous are powerful animals which would be likely to do more damage and be harder to escape the clutches of than many breeds. I would agree that the penalties for those convicted of mistreating animals are wholly inadequate.
Albion, I can only go on the information given in the article, which suggests that the dog was removed during a raid on it's owners home and nothing such as savaging a child.

It's no surprise that it looks as if it wants to savage the police officers though, how would you feel if somebody came along to your home and proceeded to remove you in the way they are doing, would you want to smack the hell out of them?

The fact is this. Animals have as much right to live a life without being manhandled and destroyed as an when the powers that be choose as humans. And in particular the treatment and contempt towards powerful breeds of dogs in this country is nothing short of barbaric in comparison to toher breeds at times.
The article makes no mention of why the raid took place, therefore you are assuming that the dog hasnt bitten anyone and I didnt actually say that it had!
I would never want to "smack the hell" out of officers doing their duty and you cant compare my feelings to those of a dog.
I repeat what I posted earlier, the officers have to consider their own safety first and also the safety of the public should the animal escape from them.
Firmness and discipline are not necessarily cruel.

Steve Mac for the Sack. says...
6:12pm Wed 10 Mar 10

albion wrote:
Steve Mac for the Sack. wrote:
albion wrote:
Steve Mac for the Sack. wrote: Here is an idea, why don't we destroy every other person who savagley attacks a dog instead of issueing them with a 'ban' on owning animals Why don't we start removing people from houses with a big stick with a noose on the end? How about we have age restrcitons for people having babies that will grow into dangerous adults...and when they do, why don't we destroy them aswell? Why don't we start reporting and making a big deal about the thousands of incidents involving dogs other than bull terriers, rottweilers and akitas that attack humans every year and why don't we treat them with the same contempt that the above mentioned breeds are treated. I'd love to manhandle those police officers like they are doing to that animal in the photo.
The officers in the photo are trying to protect their own safety, which is something taught to people in official positions (if the animal won then anything could happen). How do you know what the dog has done? it might well have just ripped a child apart! The breeds that you listed while not being the only dogs that can be dangerous are powerful animals which would be likely to do more damage and be harder to escape the clutches of than many breeds. I would agree that the penalties for those convicted of mistreating animals are wholly inadequate.
Albion, I can only go on the information given in the article, which suggests that the dog was removed during a raid on it's owners home and nothing such as savaging a child. It's no surprise that it looks as if it wants to savage the police officers though, how would you feel if somebody came along to your home and proceeded to remove you in the way they are doing, would you want to smack the hell out of them? The fact is this. Animals have as much right to live a life without being manhandled and destroyed as an when the powers that be choose as humans. And in particular the treatment and contempt towards powerful breeds of dogs in this country is nothing short of barbaric in comparison to toher breeds at times.
The article makes no mention of why the raid took place, therefore you are assuming that the dog hasnt bitten anyone and I didnt actually say that it had! I would never want to "smack the hell" out of officers doing their duty and you cant compare my feelings to those of a dog. I repeat what I posted earlier, the officers have to consider their own safety first and also the safety of the public should the animal escape from them. Firmness and discipline are not necessarily cruel.
Well you would think if the dog had savaged a child then the article would make a big deal about it, wouldn't you?

I'm not saying you would want to smack the hell out of somebody for doing their duty, but the chances are the dog has done nothing but tried to protect it's owner and property which IMO is perfectly reasonable.

I fully understand that Police officers have a duty to protect themselves and the public, but how would you feel if somebody came along to your pad and removed you like the men are doing?

That's not firmness and it's not discipline. It'd be barbarism if I was to do that to you or anybody else.

People are more of a danger to society that animals, so why don't we treat people with the same disrespect that is being shown to this dog?

Dogs don't like being treated badly just as much as we don't.

Perhaps if the public put as much effort into being nice to each other instead of hammering certain breeds of dogs and the authorities put as much effort into cracking down on drugs and domestic violence than certain breeds of dogs then we'd have a much nicer place to live.

cheeky1 says...
8:41pm Wed 10 Mar 10

At the moment dogs are an easy target!They don't answer back....hope that kind and considerate people who know about dogs will speak up for them!

albion says...
9:08pm Wed 10 Mar 10

Steve Mac for the Sack. wrote:
albion wrote:
Steve Mac for the Sack. wrote:
albion wrote:
Steve Mac for the Sack. wrote: Here is an idea, why don't we destroy every other person who savagley attacks a dog instead of issueing them with a 'ban' on owning animals Why don't we start removing people from houses with a big stick with a noose on the end? How about we have age restrcitons for people having babies that will grow into dangerous adults...and when they do, why don't we destroy them aswell? Why don't we start reporting and making a big deal about the thousands of incidents involving dogs other than bull terriers, rottweilers and akitas that attack humans every year and why don't we treat them with the same contempt that the above mentioned breeds are treated. I'd love to manhandle those police officers like they are doing to that animal in the photo.
The officers in the photo are trying to protect their own safety, which is something taught to people in official positions (if the animal won then anything could happen). How do you know what the dog has done? it might well have just ripped a child apart! The breeds that you listed while not being the only dogs that can be dangerous are powerful animals which would be likely to do more damage and be harder to escape the clutches of than many breeds. I would agree that the penalties for those convicted of mistreating animals are wholly inadequate.
Albion, I can only go on the information given in the article, which suggests that the dog was removed during a raid on it's owners home and nothing such as savaging a child. It's no surprise that it looks as if it wants to savage the police officers though, how would you feel if somebody came along to your home and proceeded to remove you in the way they are doing, would you want to smack the hell out of them? The fact is this. Animals have as much right to live a life without being manhandled and destroyed as an when the powers that be choose as humans. And in particular the treatment and contempt towards powerful breeds of dogs in this country is nothing short of barbaric in comparison to toher breeds at times.
The article makes no mention of why the raid took place, therefore you are assuming that the dog hasnt bitten anyone and I didnt actually say that it had! I would never want to "smack the hell" out of officers doing their duty and you cant compare my feelings to those of a dog. I repeat what I posted earlier, the officers have to consider their own safety first and also the safety of the public should the animal escape from them. Firmness and discipline are not necessarily cruel.
Well you would think if the dog had savaged a child then the article would make a big deal about it, wouldn't you?

I'm not saying you would want to smack the hell out of somebody for doing their duty, but the chances are the dog has done nothing but tried to protect it's owner and property which IMO is perfectly reasonable.

I fully understand that Police officers have a duty to protect themselves and the public, but how would you feel if somebody came along to your pad and removed you like the men are doing?

That's not firmness and it's not discipline. It'd be barbarism if I was to do that to you or anybody else.

People are more of a danger to society that animals, so why don't we treat people with the same disrespect that is being shown to this dog?

Dogs don't like being treated badly just as much as we don't.

Perhaps if the public put as much effort into being nice to each other instead of hammering certain breeds of dogs and the authorities put as much effort into cracking down on drugs and domestic violence than certain breeds of dogs then we'd have a much nicer place to live.
How would I feel? well I must admit I would be somewhat surprised as I am a senior citizen with a chronic illness and no teeth, I wouldnt need much restraining and certainly would be unlikely to bite!
The method that they are using is a tried and trusted way that has been used for years, as someone who in the past was a dog breeder, trainer and owner I see nothing wrong in the method (or should they sit about half the day and wait for a dog whisperer or something?
As for having " a much nicer place to live" well yes much of what you mention does need doing but it isnt all relevant to this report, although the report probably has good intentions it wouldnt have the effect that those who have compiled it would want from it and I would be very surprised if anything comes of it at least in its current state that is.

kadyleigh says...
7:18pm Fri 12 Mar 10

Ok, so i do agree that some measures should be taken to prevent the chavs getting their hands on any type of dog but insurance and chipping for everyone is out of order. I recently bought a Shar-pei that cost me £550, if i had to get insurance,chipping,t
raining or whatever else people are talking about your talking at least £1000. Im worried about all the dogs that are going to get put down because the innocent people that respect and look after dogs can not afford these fees. The status symbol people are still going to have the dogs and it is going to be the others and the poor dogs that suffer.


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