Festive market snubbed by shoppers shuts early (From Bradford Telegraph and Argus)

Macca51 wrote:
For you Fritz, the market is over !

Old Peculiar wrote:

Macca51 wrote: For you Fritz, the market is over !

thats funny, i know funny, and thats funny !! Facuptoit - you have no idea what you are talking about ; the market was cr@p. Attending this market would not have broadened anyones horizons, whether they were from Brafud or Timbucktoo !! And of course Brafud Council are attributable to the mess, they have a responsibilty to ensure that whoever / whatever they book, are suitable. Both parties (stall holders and customers) need to be considered in this equation, but I suspect the only equation that the Councillors will have considered, will be how much extra bonus they will have been able to award themselves from booking the disasterous event.

FaceUpToIt wrote:

Old Peculiar wrote:

Macca51 wrote: For you Fritz, the market is over !

thats funny, i know funny, and thats funny !! Facuptoit - you have no idea what you are talking about ; the market was cr@p. Attending this market would not have broadened anyones horizons, whether they were from Brafud or Timbucktoo !! And of course Brafud Council are attributable to the mess, they have a responsibilty to ensure that whoever / whatever they book, are suitable. Both parties (stall holders and customers) need to be considered in this equation, but I suspect the only equation that the Councillors will have considered, will be how much extra bonus they will have been able to award themselves from booking the disasterous event.

This illustrates my point perfectly. You laugh at a borderline racist joke but do not even concede the point that the same market in any other city would have been a success. Seriously, the only thing that would get the crowds out in Bradford is a public appearance by someone like Jeremy Kyle

Mercury_Lime wrote:
What a joke as always good old Bradford.....
I was over in York 2 weekends ago and they had a Christmas market going on.... and it was amazing. There were coach loads of people of all ages there, every stall was busy and all the normal shops cafes / restaurants were busy.... can York Council run us please....

webess wrote:

Mercury_Lime wrote:
What a joke as always good old Bradford.....
I was over in York 2 weekends ago and they had a Christmas market going on.... and it was amazing. There were coach loads of people of all ages there, every stall was busy and all the normal shops cafes / restaurants were busy.... can York Council run us please....

Is it any wonder there are problems attracting shoppers into City Centre when Bradfordians gloat about taking there business elsewhere?

TirNaNog wrote:

FaceUpToIt wrote:

Old Peculiar wrote:

Macca51 wrote: For you Fritz, the market is over !

thats funny, i know funny, and thats funny !! Facuptoit - you have no idea what you are talking about ; the market was cr@p. Attending this market would not have broadened anyones horizons, whether they were from Brafud or Timbucktoo !! And of course Brafud Council are attributable to the mess, they have a responsibilty to ensure that whoever / whatever they book, are suitable. Both parties (stall holders and customers) need to be considered in this equation, but I suspect the only equation that the Councillors will have considered, will be how much extra bonus they will have been able to award themselves from booking the disasterous event.

This illustrates my point perfectly. You laugh at a borderline racist joke but do not even concede the point that the same market in any other city would have been a success. Seriously, the only thing that would get the crowds out in Bradford is a public appearance by someone like Jeremy Kyle

Get over yourself! What makes you so special Mr Intellectual? You denegrate ALL the citizens of Bradford. Met them all have you?

mrs white wrote:
Commenting for the first time on this forum. I can only say as I sat at a stall inside the Impressions Gallery on Sunday at the craft & vintage fair,how sad it was looking out at the abandoned alpine chalets.
No festive shoppers in sight.
However the day did not start well when the traders for the Gallery event were having their cars ticketed whilst unpacking cars in the unloading bay! 3 wardens waiting. Is this how visitors coming into the city are treated when they come into the city How can this do anything positive for Bradfords reputation.

Secondly Do not get me started on running an independent shop in Rawson Place. This is why I was in the Gallery to try & promote the area..... We are really trying hard to remain open.(Etherea - pure essential oil shop. It would be great to have received a little more support from the Big important people of the City!

Moon on a stick wrote:
Not any person can set-up on Centenary Square you know, the council let the space and so has a responsibility for making sure an event is suitable and viable. Frankly anyone that says the council don't have any responsibility for the decade plus of retail decline in Bradford is bonkers.

FaceUpToIt wrote:

TirNaNog wrote:

FaceUpToIt wrote:

Old Peculiar wrote:

Macca51 wrote: For you Fritz, the market is over !

thats funny, i know funny, and thats funny !! Facuptoit - you have no idea what you are talking about ; the market was cr@p. Attending this market would not have broadened anyones horizons, whether they were from Brafud or Timbucktoo !! And of course Brafud Council are attributable to the mess, they have a responsibilty to ensure that whoever / whatever they book, are suitable. Both parties (stall holders and customers) need to be considered in this equation, but I suspect the only equation that the Councillors will have considered, will be how much extra bonus they will have been able to award themselves from booking the disasterous event.

This illustrates my point perfectly. You laugh at a borderline racist joke but do not even concede the point that the same market in any other city would have been a success. Seriously, the only thing that would get the crowds out in Bradford is a public appearance by someone like Jeremy Kyle

Get over yourself! What makes you so special Mr Intellectual? You denegrate ALL the citizens of Bradford. Met them all have you?

Nothing makes me special. I am simply saddened that most folk seem to want to blame the council (or some other scapegoat) rather than look at themselves. If people want Bradford to succeed (and I do) they have to get behind such events. Furthermore, this was a chance for people to do something different and they simply couldn't be bothered: it's not the council's fault that 'their citizens' are unmotivated and don't want to try something new. As for being intellectual, I do not consider myself to be more intellectucal than the next man: however, I do not see why being an intellectual should be a subject for humour. This is something to which we should aspire rather than knock.

Johsay wrote:
Kriss Hopkins, please comment.

the1bully wrote:
who are they kidding?- "gone back to Germany"- none of them are from Germany just local scally traders! what a joke. im 27 and was born in Bradford. Ive lived in Australia from 2003 up until last year and came back here whilst my new visa was processed. Bradford is a joke- only good thing is akbars! Although I have a Bradford postcode I go shopping in Leeds and spent 1hr queuing last saturday for the german market there- just to get in! and had a great night!! Im happy never to see this city ever again

webess wrote:

Johsay wrote: Kriss Hopkins, please comment.

Why should he? This event wasn't organised by him or the council. They merely rented space to a third party - Council still get the rent for the whole month. If you wanted you could rent Centenary square and organise a blind watchmakers convention - then blame council if it didn't pan out. All this is in the article, but you seem to have gone straight into rant mode, but don't worry there are plenty more like you..

Dr Evil wrote:
The fact is that the general disinterest in an event like this is largely because Bradford City Centre is no longer an inviting place. As a Shopping Experience, Bradford has very little to offer. Moreover, people are frightened to walk through the streets.

Faceuptoit is incorrect saying that the citizens have no pride in their environs; coming from Saltaire he will be aware that, on the whole, People do have pride in their individual areas over whiuch they may have some degree of influence and control.

Please do not think that all Residents of Saltaire possess such ill-founded opinions!

Macca51 wrote:
For you Fritz, the market is over !

FaceUpToIt wrote:

Old Peculiar wrote:

Macca51 wrote: For you Fritz, the market is over !

thats funny, i know funny, and thats funny !! Facuptoit - you have no idea what you are talking about ; the market was cr@p. Attending this market would not have broadened anyones horizons, whether they were from Brafud or Timbucktoo !! And of course Brafud Council are attributable to the mess, they have a responsibilty to ensure that whoever / whatever they book, are suitable. Both parties (stall holders and customers) need to be considered in this equation, but I suspect the only equation that the Councillors will have considered, will be how much extra bonus they will have been able to award themselves from booking the disasterous event.

This illustrates my point perfectly. You laugh at a borderline racist joke but do not even concede the point that the same market in any other city would have been a success. Seriously, the only thing that would get the crowds out in Bradford is a public appearance by someone like Jeremy Kyle

dadada wrote:
As previous people have commented Bradford HAS lost its soul,the large muslim population has diluted our way of life most of them and by them i mean muslims have no intrest in the british culture or way of life and Bradfords white population have to a large extent given up on there city its now a terrible place to live thanks to mass immigration.

FaceUpToIt wrote:

Dr Evil wrote: The fact is that the general disinterest in an event like this is largely because Bradford City Centre is no longer an inviting place. As a Shopping Experience, Bradford has very little to offer. Moreover, people are frightened to walk through the streets. Faceuptoit is incorrect saying that the citizens have no pride in their environs; coming from Saltaire he will be aware that, on the whole, People do have pride in their individual areas over whiuch they may have some degree of influence and control. Please do not think that all Residents of Saltaire possess such ill-founded opinions!

Oh come now. Do you honestly think that Saltaire is a microcosm of the city as a whole? Nobody stopped the citizens of Bradford from attending other than themselves - fact. Therefore, they have to be willing to accept some of the blame for this debacle. It's all too easy to look for someone else to blame - that's one thing we're all good at: but if we get stuck in the trap of always blaming someone else, this city will never recover. Let's have some honesty here.

dadada wrote:
As previous people have commented Bradford HAS lost its soul,the large muslim population has diluted our way of life most of them and by them i mean muslims have no intrest in the british culture or way of life and Bradfords white population have to a large extent given up on there city its now a terrible place to live thanks to mass immigration.

silverrain wrote:

dadada wrote: As previous people have commented Bradford HAS lost its soul,the large muslim population has diluted our way of life most of them and by them i mean muslims have no intrest in the british culture or way of life and Bradfords white population have to a large extent given up on there city its now a terrible place to live thanks to mass immigration.

How can you blame the Muslim community for the down fall of the shops in Bradford? I am a Muslim but have to go to Leeds or Manchester to find the shops i am loooking for and they are not the ones that sell asian clothes. Bradford needs more of the high street range..its not a case of people not wanting to spend..its more people not finding what they want..i have to go to leeds to find our closet H&M...maybe our council need to find a way to entice the good shops back to Bradford? When Foster Square opened that took a lot of the attention away from the city centre...it's eaiser to go to the retail park to get Outfit and Next and there is no need to walk in to the centre. It's our Council that brought on the death of the centre...as someone mentioned before we used to have some great shops and i used to look forward to going in to town. I have been to the christmas market in manchester, which by the way is located close to the central shopping area, and they had a very wide range of festive goods available..i went to the market here and most of it was food or things you could buy in the local pound shop. Mass immigration has nothing to dowith what has happened to our town centre and if you get your facts right most of the immigrants that are coming here now are not muslims. Bradford is a terrible place to live because the council have not made the right decisions on where to spend the money and which areas to regenerate...why do we need a lake in the centre? 1inch of rain and the area gets flooded anyway!! this is not a race/religion issue but has more to do with how our city is being run and what is being done to bring business here.

silverrain wrote:
i would welcome an open debate..but many people especially on here seem to see that as an invitation to attack certain groups/races/religio ns. The council and the so called 'pc brigade' make things worse for ethnic groups by doing things so that they 'dont hurt feelings'. I and i'm sure many other musllims/immigrants understand that you live by the rules of the country you live in. I love Christmas time as does my daughter..we dont celebrate but we still have a tree so that she doesnt feel left out. Bradford has always had a muslim population but I agree that we have never had such a problem with crime and bad relations between the communities. We need better policing and criminals should get what they deserve no matter what colour they are and the police shouldnt be afraid of challenging these groups. its the small group of narrow minded people that ruin things for the majority, this can be said about muslims and non muslims. Lets start a debate on how immigration of East European peole started more begging on our streets..people knocking on your door and handing a small paper telling you about how they have no money..lets start a debate about how teenagers can leave school/college/unive rsity and start caiming job seekers straight away...

Dr Evil wrote:

FaceUpToIt wrote:

Dr Evil wrote: The fact is that the general disinterest in an event like this is largely because Bradford City Centre is no longer an inviting place. As a Shopping Experience, Bradford has very little to offer. Moreover, people are frightened to walk through the streets. Faceuptoit is incorrect saying that the citizens have no pride in their environs; coming from Saltaire he will be aware that, on the whole, People do have pride in their individual areas over whiuch they may have some degree of influence and control. Please do not think that all Residents of Saltaire possess such ill-founded opinions!

Oh come now. Do you honestly think that Saltaire is a microcosm of the city as a whole? Nobody stopped the citizens of Bradford from attending other than themselves - fact. Therefore, they have to be willing to accept some of the blame for this debacle. It's all too easy to look for someone else to blame - that's one thing we're all good at: but if we get stuck in the trap of always blaming someone else, this city will never recover. Let's have some honesty here.

Purrely out of interest; did Faceuptoit attend the German Market himself?

Exbradfordian wrote:
It's sad that every discussion in this forum descends into the same discussion. It must be the fault of all the non-white residents because we were here first and everything was utopia in the good old days. Let's face it Bradford is in decline - everyone should work together to improve things.

Exbradfordian wrote:
It's sad that every discussion in this forum descends into the same discussion. It must be the fault of all the non-white residents because we were here first and everything was utopia in the good old days. Let's face it Bradford is in decline - everyone should work together to improve things.

FaceUpToIt wrote:
Bradford is a cultural blackhole - full of those who are more interested in cramming their faces with ready meals, watching ITV and breeding dangerous dogs. I'm afraid this is symptomatic of Bradford's lack of ambition. We are reaping what we've sown.

Exbradfordian wrote:
citygent I come back frequently and always shop locally and use the city centre. Can't return on a permanent basis though as my job won't allow me to. I travel quite a lot for my job accross England and one of the most segragated places I have come accross is Bradford. That is the biggest problem in my opinion.

FaceUpToIt wrote:

Exbradfordian wrote:
It's sad that every discussion in this forum descends into the same discussion. It must be the fault of all the non-white residents because we were here first and everything was utopia in the good old days. Let's face it Bradford is in decline - everyone should work together to improve things.

100% spot on

thecitygent wrote:

Exbradfordian wrote: citygent I come back frequently and always shop locally and use the city centre. Can't return on a permanent basis though as my job won't allow me to. I travel quite a lot for my job accross England and one of the most segragated places I have come accross is Bradford. That is the biggest problem in my opinion.

There is physical segregation and mental segregation. How do you propose tackling it? Live in Manningham perhaps and preach on the streets? It would be the acid test whether you would return to Bfd on a permanent basis wouldn't it. Easy to preach from afar.

albion wrote:

FaceUpToIt wrote:

Exbradfordian wrote: It's sad that every discussion in this forum descends into the same discussion. It must be the fault of all the non-white residents because we were here first and everything was utopia in the good old days. Let's face it Bradford is in decline - everyone should work together to improve things.

100% spot on

The riots and the slow but inevitable change to society is in my opinion the main reason why Bradfords decline is beyond recovery, no matter how you alter the structural components the damage has been done and is likely to be repeated as given inches lead to taken miles and more demands. When you look at other towns and cities it strikes me that any quality retail outlet would be unwise to locate here.

thecitygent wrote:

FaceUpToIt wrote: Bradford is a cultural blackhole - full of those who are more interested in cramming their faces with ready meals, watching ITV and breeding dangerous dogs. I'm afraid this is symptomatic of Bradford's lack of ambition. We are reaping what we've sown.

Compulsory education on the cards if you get elected? The chavs in the shell suits and the peasants in the tribal gear are going to love you!

silverrain wrote:
@cityagent how can you say these east european immigrants have come here short term and will not base their roots here? the majority of the queues at the job centre are east europeans...the masses in town at lunch time just loitering around are east europeans, people used to complain that muslims had large families...just take a look around at how large east european families are. They bring nothing to bradfords economy...builders who take cash in hand..street sellers...you really think they pay their taxes???...you seem to find it easy to pick on the muslims just remember that it was the mass immigration of muslims/hindus was brought in to help with the huge boom in industry so dont blame them when everything goes in to decline...its just as easy for me to pick on the east europeans...how many of them turned up to your nativity?

Exbradfordian wrote:

thecitygent wrote:

Exbradfordian wrote: citygent I come back frequently and always shop locally and use the city centre. Can't return on a permanent basis though as my job won't allow me to. I travel quite a lot for my job accross England and one of the most segragated places I have come accross is Bradford. That is the biggest problem in my opinion.

There is physical segregation and mental segregation. How do you propose tackling it? Live in Manningham perhaps and preach on the streets? It would be the acid test whether you would return to Bfd on a permanent basis wouldn't it. Easy to preach from afar.

Thankfully not all people living in Bradford think like you. But it is a challenge and unless it is addressed then nothing will change. As to whether I live there or not is irrelevant. You do if you are happy as things are then good luck to you - but from the sound of it you are not. But you are happy to blame others. What do you think should be done - send back all the non-whites to their country of origin. The sooner you accept it ain't gonna happen the sooner you will start accepting the world we live in.

Exbradfordian wrote:
citygent I come back frequently and always shop locally and use the city centre. Can't return on a permanent basis though as my job won't allow me to. I travel quite a lot for my job accross England and one of the most segragated places I have come accross is Bradford. That is the biggest problem in my opinion.

Exbradfordian wrote:
that's not very nice - but i guess the truth hurts. Why take responsibility yourself when you came blame others. And what the heck does it matter what anyone wears. How small minded you must be.

Exbradfordian wrote:
"Compulsory education on the cards if you get elected? The chavs in the shell suits and the peasants in the tribal gear are going to love you!" So this is not blaming others. I guess I must be mistaken then - had Bradford been left alone without immigration then it would be a little Shangri-La.

thecitygent wrote:

Exbradfordian wrote: "Compulsory education on the cards if you get elected? The chavs in the shell suits and the peasants in the tribal gear are going to love you!" So this is not blaming others. I guess I must be mistaken then - had Bradford been left alone without immigration then it would be a little Shangri-La.

Whatever you want to say(yawn) - clearly Bradford wasn't /isn't sufficient of a shangri-la for you. What I do know from my understanding of the history of Bradford is that one of the reasons for poor educational attainment in Bradford (that Prof Faceuptoit alludes to) is that few people with the means or ability to do something for the city chose to move out at the first opportunity (ie Ilkley, Harrogate et al). The situation we are in now is a direct legacy of that. Equally no-one in power has had the willingness to deal with hard decisions - the Ray Honeyford case being a good example. Whilst Bradford has always been a city of immigrants the more recent wave of mass immigration has not done it any favours and has only served to import poverty into an already impoversihed low wage economy city. Hence we have a city of marginalised people from the ghettoes of Holme Wood to those in Manningham/central Bradford without the skills or abilities to add value to the local economy and give it a chance to reverse decline. But then you know it all.

Exbradfordian wrote:

thecitygent wrote:

Exbradfordian wrote: "Compulsory education on the cards if you get elected? The chavs in the shell suits and the peasants in the tribal gear are going to love you!" So this is not blaming others. I guess I must be mistaken then - had Bradford been left alone without immigration then it would be a little Shangri-La.

Whatever you want to say(yawn) - clearly Bradford wasn't /isn't sufficient of a shangri-la for you. What I do know from my understanding of the history of Bradford is that one of the reasons for poor educational attainment in Bradford (that Prof Faceuptoit alludes to) is that few people with the means or ability to do something for the city chose to move out at the first opportunity (ie Ilkley, Harrogate et al). The situation we are in now is a direct legacy of that. Equally no-one in power has had the willingness to deal with hard decisions - the Ray Honeyford case being a good example. Whilst Bradford has always been a city of immigrants the more recent wave of mass immigration has not done it any favours and has only served to import poverty into an already impoversihed low wage economy city. Hence we have a city of marginalised people from the ghettoes of Holme Wood to those in Manningham/central Bradford without the skills or abilities to add value to the local economy and give it a chance to reverse decline. But then you know it all.

"Whatever you want to say(yawn) - clearly Bradford wasn't /isn't sufficient of a shangri-la for you." (Yawn) you have made this point several times now - stop sounding like a stuck record please. Whether I live in Bradford or not is irrelevant - I left because my job moved - full stop. I think you will find that other factors such as closure of industries has had more of an influence. And actually if individuals weren't mobile and moved to where the jobs were we may well have a worse problem in Bradford.

Exbradfordian wrote:

thecitygent wrote:

Exbradfordian wrote: "Compulsory education on the cards if you get elected? The chavs in the shell suits and the peasants in the tribal gear are going to love you!" So this is not blaming others. I guess I must be mistaken then - had Bradford been left alone without immigration then it would be a little Shangri-La.

Whatever you want to say(yawn) - clearly Bradford wasn't /isn't sufficient of a shangri-la for you. What I do know from my understanding of the history of Bradford is that one of the reasons for poor educational attainment in Bradford (that Prof Faceuptoit alludes to) is that few people with the means or ability to do something for the city chose to move out at the first opportunity (ie Ilkley, Harrogate et al). The situation we are in now is a direct legacy of that. Equally no-one in power has had the willingness to deal with hard decisions - the Ray Honeyford case being a good example. Whilst Bradford has always been a city of immigrants the more recent wave of mass immigration has not done it any favours and has only served to import poverty into an already impoversihed low wage economy city. Hence we have a city of marginalised people from the ghettoes of Holme Wood to those in Manningham/central Bradford without the skills or abilities to add value to the local economy and give it a chance to reverse decline. But then you know it all.

"Whatever you want to say(yawn) - clearly Bradford wasn't /isn't sufficient of a shangri-la for you." (Yawn) you have made this point several times now - stop sounding like a stuck record please. Whether I live in Bradford or not is irrelevant - I left because my job moved - full stop. I think you will find that other factors such as closure of industries has had more of an influence. And actually if individuals weren't mobile and moved to where the jobs were we may well have a worse problem in Bradford.

giveover wrote:
Pakistanis are in flash leased cars so when they get busted for drugs and the car is confiscated they have lost nothing.

Kevin Costner wrote:
Phew I'm glad I live in Keighley, It's a much better place to live. It's clean, the people are positive and we all live in harmony. Well we will do once we boot Ann Cryer and her little army of pretend political soldiers out next year.

Hockens Hey wrote:
Was in Liverpool last night.

They had pretty much an identical Christmas market to the one we had, selling odds and ends, some decent stuff some tat.

It was packed. And I had a great evening looking round the city centre.

It's not the market, it's the city.

Now, Liverpool have two world famous successful sports clubs, which bring the crowds in - there were loads of Fiorentina fans walking about - something that Bradford hasn't had for most of this decade and probably never will. But they also have a fantastic new shopping centre with high quality shops you actually want to visit - Debenhams, Habitat, Flannels etc and lots of great restaurants with a choice of food.

It's not that long ago that Liverpool centre was a dive, but they have a rich cultural and sporting history to build on. Bradford's cultural heritage has been destroyed by a series of councils, which continues now with the Odeon fiasco. The only sporting club capable of bringing worldwide attention to the city in a mainstream sport - the world's most popular- is on its knees.

I'd love to see a vibrant city centre worth spending the day in, like Manchester, Liverpool or even Leeds but I think we're too far gone. The riots - no sentence is long enough for those that have given our city several life sentences - the decline of our high profile sports clubs and the destruction of our heritage in stone and mortar and the ineptitude of the council with the hole in the heart seems too big a slump to come back from.

I hope someone comes along to prove me wrong.

Storck wrote:
The Wakefield market was closed on the instructions of the council. Wish we could have a council that made decisions rather than just letting things slide.

albion wrote:
"they feel that when johnny foreigner was scared of the hosts and their police force the country was better!" It was!

Jammy2010 wrote:

albion wrote: "they feel that when johnny foreigner was scared of the hosts and their police force the country was better!" It was!

It wasnt! The British arent as hated as much as they were, infact i can probably walk in most european countries without getting set upon. Unlike you Albion i like to travel, i have overseas investments and businesses, and ill tell you something now WE are the most hated, us Brits, not because we are handsome, not because we smell nice, not because we are good hosts but because we have a repuation as under handed arrogant, pull the rug under ya, hooligans. Grow up, there are 10% non whites in England, they live in 60k houses earning 9k a year! One white banker earns 100 million a year! It shows how stupid the general population is when the economic times are bad they send stories in the press about immigration and terrorism. DONT YOU GET IT YOU IDIOT?

thecitygent wrote:

Jammy2010 wrote:

albion wrote: "they feel that when johnny foreigner was scared of the hosts and their police force the country was better!" It was!

It wasnt! The British arent as hated as much as they were, infact i can probably walk in most european countries without getting set upon. Unlike you Albion i like to travel, i have overseas investments and businesses, and ill tell you something now WE are the most hated, us Brits, not because we are handsome, not because we smell nice, not because we are good hosts but because we have a repuation as under handed arrogant, pull the rug under ya, hooligans. Grow up, there are 10% non whites in England, they live in 60k houses earning 9k a year! One white banker earns 100 million a year! It shows how stupid the general population is when the economic times are bad they send stories in the press about immigration and terrorism. DONT YOU GET IT YOU IDIOT?

Stick to racing your car (sorry, 'not letting boy racers overtake'). You are evidently a moron. No doubt you will tell us that the 2001 Muslim Riots in Bradford were an act of revolution to be celebrated.

Jammy2010 wrote:

albion wrote:
"they feel that when johnny foreigner was scared of the hosts and their police force the country was better!" It was!

It wasnt!

The British arent as hated as much as they were, infact i can probably walk in most european countries without getting set upon.

Unlike you Albion i like to travel, i have overseas investments and businesses, and ill tell you something now WE are the most hated, us Brits, not because we are handsome, not because we smell nice, not because we are good hosts but because we have a repuation as under handed arrogant, pull the rug under ya, hooligans.
Grow up, there are 10% non whites in England, they live in 60k houses earning 9k a year!
One white banker earns 100 million a year!
It shows how stupid the general population is when the economic times are bad they send stories in the press about immigration and terrorism.
DONT YOU GET IT YOU IDIOT?

thecitygent wrote:
Thanks for taking the time to enlighten us. I am sure that we can rely upon you to add value to our local economy and maintain standards. BTW I hope you pay your car insurance ;)

Jammy2010 wrote:

thecitygent wrote: Thanks for taking the time to enlighten us. I am sure that we can rely upon you to add value to our local economy and maintain standards. BTW I hope you pay your car insurance ;)

Sarcasm, lowest form...well i guess you cant get lower than being a "shipley gent" I dont drive, i find the taxis are now a lot better, and much more reliable ;) I hope you tie up your dog ;) As for Albion, what in gods name is an old bum like you doing online spouting rubbish. I guess for oldies its the only forum that will let them have a say. I guess the best thing about knowing your age is there probably isnt long to go now...you are probably anticipating a painful death hence your devilish comments.

Jammy2010 wrote:

thecitygent wrote:
Thanks for taking the time to enlighten us. I am sure that we can rely upon you to add value to our local economy and maintain standards. BTW I hope you pay your car insurance ;)

Sarcasm, lowest form...well i guess you cant get lower than being a "shipley gent"
I dont drive, i find the taxis are now a lot better, and much more reliable ;)
I hope you tie up your dog ;)

As for Albion, what in gods name is an old bum like you doing online spouting rubbish. I guess for oldies its the only forum that will let them have a say. I guess the best thing about knowing your age is there probably isnt long to go now...you are probably anticipating a painful death hence your devilish comments.

thecitygent wrote:

Jammy2010 wrote:

thecitygent wrote: Thanks for taking the time to enlighten us. I am sure that we can rely upon you to add value to our local economy and maintain standards. BTW I hope you pay your car insurance ;)

Sarcasm, lowest form...well i guess you cant get lower than being a "shipley gent" I dont drive, i find the taxis are now a lot better, and much more reliable ;) I hope you tie up your dog ;) As for Albion, what in gods name is an old bum like you doing online spouting rubbish. I guess for oldies its the only forum that will let them have a say. I guess the best thing about knowing your age is there probably isnt long to go now...you are probably anticipating a painful death hence your devilish comments.

I suppose that you have had more attention this evening than you could normally expect. Credit to you for having obviously overcome a lack of education and a major chip on your shoulder to get this far. I suppose that your next objective will be to grow up. Thanks again for your observations - just keep trying. One day someone might just take you seriously!

albion wrote:

Jammy2010 wrote:

thecitygent wrote: Thanks for taking the time to enlighten us. I am sure that we can rely upon you to add value to our local economy and maintain standards. BTW I hope you pay your car insurance ;)

Sarcasm, lowest form...well i guess you cant get lower than being a "shipley gent" I dont drive, i find the taxis are now a lot better, and much more reliable ;) I hope you tie up your dog ;) As for Albion, what in gods name is an old bum like you doing online spouting rubbish. I guess for oldies its the only forum that will let them have a say. I guess the best thing about knowing your age is there probably isnt long to go now...you are probably anticipating a painful death hence your devilish comments.

More guesses and assumptions. Your other contemptuous remarks are not worthy of comment.

Jammy2010 wrote:

albion wrote:

Jammy2010 wrote:

thecitygent wrote: Thanks for taking the time to enlighten us. I am sure that we can rely upon you to add value to our local economy and maintain standards. BTW I hope you pay your car insurance ;)

Sarcasm, lowest form...well i guess you cant get lower than being a "shipley gent" I dont drive, i find the taxis are now a lot better, and much more reliable ;) I hope you tie up your dog ;) As for Albion, what in gods name is an old bum like you doing online spouting rubbish. I guess for oldies its the only forum that will let them have a say. I guess the best thing about knowing your age is there probably isnt long to go now...you are probably anticipating a painful death hence your devilish comments.

More guesses and assumptions. Your other contemptuous remarks are not worthy of comment.

You are elderly, how else were you around the 40s you creep??
No assumptions here, an old man online, i can only guess the kind of "movies" you are into...i just hope the actors are of legal age!

jimmyblue wrote:
As everyone have mentioned above, why would anyone organise such a thing. Nothing in bradford that would attract shoppers to come here and shop let alone visit the German Market. Even Thursday Late night shopping was like a ghost town yesterday... I have friends who are taxi drivers in the city centre who have done the job for 15+ years. They have seen business drop nearly 70%. The council should cut rent to shop owners by 75% until this whole regeneration is complete.

thecitygent wrote:

jimmyblue wrote:
As everyone have mentioned above, why would anyone organise such a thing. Nothing in bradford that would attract shoppers to come here and shop let alone visit the German Market. Even Thursday Late night shopping was like a ghost town yesterday... I have friends who are taxi drivers in the city centre who have done the job for 15+ years. They have seen business drop nearly 70%. The council should cut rent to shop owners by 75% until this whole regeneration is complete.

One of the comments made in relation to the ongoing Bradford fiasco is that people are apathetic. I disagree - the general tone of the majority of the postings above has been that people are angry and frustrated about what has been allowed to happen to our city. In my opinion the city is fast becoming unrecognisable and I find it depressing how things have changed. There is no denying that it was never a utopia but it was always a good place to live and previous generations of my family have been proud to say that they came from the city. It has often been said that the real issue in Bradford is not that of image, but that of identity. The cold reality is that each year more people are turning their back on Bradford and no longer identify with it. This has major implications for what is left of the retail base of the city, its central leisure attractions, local media (ie the T&A) and for that matter its sporting organisations. Given the current economic climate it is difficult to avoid the conclusion that things are more likely to get worse before they get better. A sample of news headlines on this website over the last few days would suggest the same.