Committee to have say on replacement (From Bradford Telegraph and Argus)
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Committee to have say on replacement
6:00am Wednesday 16th September 2009 in
A decision on the fate of Bradford’s defunct Odeon cinema will be made next week in the midst of more than 1,300 objections to the building’s demolition and its subsequent £40 million replacement.
Members of Bradford Council’s regulatory and appeals committee will have the say on whether it should be knocked down and replaced by Langtree Artisan’s vision for the site. Planners are recommending both be passed.
The redevelopment designs would need to be referred to the Government for final approval.
The meeting at 10.30 in City Hall on Wednesday will determine both conservation area consent to demolish the building and planning permission for a mixed-use New Victoria Place development of four buildings which would provide office space, apartments, a hotel and a restaurant.
In a report to the committee, planners say: “It has been demonstrated by the applicants that neither the re-use of the former Odeon building, nor the retention of the towers and part facade within a scheme are viable.”
As well as Bradford Odeon Rescue Group, a number of organisations have also objected to the loss of the 1930s building, including the Council for British Archaeology, the Twentieth Century Society, The Victorian Society, The Theatres Trust and Bradford Civic Society.
But English Heritage has been “persuaded that a case can now be made for the demolition of the towers and facade” following additional information on the condition of the building, the costs of repair and the viability of these options.
The report also highlights that an economic appraisal of options that retain the structure forecast potential losses of nearly £14 million. And that the cost of repairing the structure would reach about £6 million.
If granted, the planning permission would include a legal agreement which would see the developer contributing £176,000 towards affordable housing, £17,000 for recreation space and £37,000 towards education facilities.
Simon Peters, director of Langtree Artisan, said: “We’re obviously encouraged by the planning officers’ decision to recommend New Victoria Place for approval at next week’s meeting and we look forward to presenting the evolved scheme to the committee members.”
Comments(25)
Moon on a stick
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8:03am Wed 16 Sep 09
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That's a rather small financial "bribe" to justify the damage to local democracy and the loss of another historic building in Bradford.
djmoulson
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8:04am Wed 16 Sep 09
The Odeon Crusader
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8:14am Wed 16 Sep 09
Let's get the matter called in...
RikG01
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9:19am Wed 16 Sep 09
How are we supposed to become a "niche" city when the council is destroying that which makes our city unique? Why are they so completely unable to learn from their previous failures?
The claims of the condition of the Odeon have already been proven to be complete lies, so why isn't the evidence being presented to such as English Heritage?
Iona Cortina
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10:45am Wed 16 Sep 09
Autolatry
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11:14am Wed 16 Sep 09
The Odeon Crusader wrote:1300 + public objections that are not valid reasons to reject the redevelopment of the site.
Cllr Kris Hopkins acknowledged last week in the T&A that the Odeon is publicly owned as it was bought by Yorkshire Forward with public money. The fact that our planners are recommending that 1,300+ public objections be ignored just about says everything about democracy and Bradford Council.
Let's get the matter called in...
"i dont want redevelopment because im old and set in my ways" is not a valid reason.
djmoulson
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11:30am Wed 16 Sep 09
Autolatry wrote:What are they then Autolatry? If there were 10,000 puplic letters of support then you could say that, but throw away comments like that don't hold water, do you know how old Odeon Crusader actually IS? Is he old?
The Odeon Crusader wrote: Cllr Kris Hopkins acknowledged last week in the T&A that the Odeon is publicly owned as it was bought by Yorkshire Forward with public money. The fact that our planners are recommending that 1,300+ public objections be ignored just about says everything about democracy and Bradford Council. Let's get the matter called in...1300 + public objections that are not valid reasons to reject the redevelopment of the site. "i dont want redevelopment because im old and set in my ways" is not a valid reason.
Have you looked around the Wool Exchange ever, or been to the Victoria Quarter in Leeds? Nice aren't they? Or do you prefer something that looks like the Leisure Exchange at Vicar Lane to fill Bradford's skyline?
....and for your information I'm 36 before you start on the age thing!!
The Odeon Crusader
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11:44am Wed 16 Sep 09
That is why I am the Odeon Crusader!
Autolatry
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11:50am Wed 16 Sep 09
djmoulson wrote:The Wool Exchange and the Victoria Quarter are very nice, your quite correct. Absolutely fantastic architecture but most importantly there is a need for these buildings. The Odeon is obsolete and has no architectural merit.
Autolatry wrote:What are they then Autolatry? If there were 10,000 puplic letters of support then you could say that, but throw away comments like that don't hold water, do you know how old Odeon Crusader actually IS? Is he old?
The Odeon Crusader wrote: Cllr Kris Hopkins acknowledged last week in the T&A that the Odeon is publicly owned as it was bought by Yorkshire Forward with public money. The fact that our planners are recommending that 1,300+ public objections be ignored just about says everything about democracy and Bradford Council. Let's get the matter called in...1300 + public objections that are not valid reasons to reject the redevelopment of the site. "i dont want redevelopment because im old and set in my ways" is not a valid reason.
Have you looked around the Wool Exchange ever, or been to the Victoria Quarter in Leeds? Nice aren't they? Or do you prefer something that looks like the Leisure Exchange at Vicar Lane to fill Bradford's skyline?
....and for your information I'm 36 before you start on the age thing!!
Oh and 36? its all down here form now on matey.
smile...
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11:50am Wed 16 Sep 09
Just because people are not doing what you want them to do, don't assume that there is some massive conspiracy.
The Odeon is in no way of the same quality as the Wool Exchange or the buildings in the Victoria Quarter in Leeds. Also I quite like the new redesigned building...
c/pot
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12:04pm Wed 16 Sep 09
Mekon
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12:05pm Wed 16 Sep 09
smile...
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1:38pm Wed 16 Sep 09
The Odeon Crusader wrote:HAHA!!! What a joke! Do you have a costume and a cape? Lazy layabout by day but at night he becomes THE ODEON CRUSADER!!! LMAO!!!
For the record I am 40 years old. I have no nostalgic memories of the New Vic or The Beatles at the Gaumont... I recognise a fine building when I see one, I accept there is massive support for its retention and I acknowledge that there has been complete corruption in how the whole Odeon saga has been handled. That is why I am the Odeon Crusader!
Get a grip!
If you had any sense you would realise that the BORG and their like have set Bradford back a good 5-10yrs with their consistent whinging. We needed the Odeon site redeveloped in the early 2000s and the only reason it did not happen was because morons like you drove the investors away.
albion
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1:53pm Wed 16 Sep 09
smile... wrote:That isnt true at all, the real reason it did not happen is because it was put into the hands of Yorkshire Forward, it is they in collusion with the council and its assortment of money grabbing hangers on (consultants) that created this situation and most others across the city.
The Odeon Crusader wrote:HAHA!!! What a joke! Do you have a costume and a cape? Lazy layabout by day but at night he becomes THE ODEON CRUSADER!!! LMAO!!!
For the record I am 40 years old. I have no nostalgic memories of the New Vic or The Beatles at the Gaumont... I recognise a fine building when I see one, I accept there is massive support for its retention and I acknowledge that there has been complete corruption in how the whole Odeon saga has been handled. That is why I am the Odeon Crusader!
Get a grip!
If you had any sense you would realise that the BORG and their like have set Bradford back a good 5-10yrs with their consistent whinging. We needed the Odeon site redeveloped in the early 2000s and the only reason it did not happen was because morons like you drove the investors away.
Everyone is allowed to air their thoughts on the Odeon, and shouldnt be subjected to insulting remarks for doing so (whatever side they take).
The Odeon Crusader
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1:54pm Wed 16 Sep 09
Thank goodness Smile's empty dribble is the minority view!
c/pot
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4:22pm Wed 16 Sep 09
The Odeon Crusader wrote:Beginning to look like you will need another crusade soon or a job.
I also have a thong with OC on it which I wear over my tights, but being The Odeon Crusader is a fulltime job I'll have you know... Thank goodness Smile's empty dribble is the minority view!
The Odeon Crusader
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5:09pm Wed 16 Sep 09
Trust me, next Wednesday will NOT be the full-stop to the Odeon campaign that you envisage...
rugger-tyke
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8:30pm Wed 16 Sep 09
demolish it, and create another eyesore, genius.
this is one of the major buildings as one enters the city. is the council, of whom most don't even live here, deliberately demolishing Bradford ?. the westfield debacle, no other other city would accept - Derby has had a 'westfield' completed, so why the deliberate delay here ?.
Bradford is not a small city, and beyond the cliches and stereotypes, most know it has the potential to succeed. the city has a huge catchment are, not necessarily all take by leeds, as West Yorks' is a county in itself.
i think it's about time a serious opposition is put up to block any more 'regeneration' (disintegration) projects, until the westfield pit is resolved.
the council have to look at renovating the odeon - it actually has the potential to, alongside the alhambra, museum and quite impressive library (aesthetically unpleasing though it is, and place where money could be spent), reshape the Bradford centre. its quite a magnificent building, and i'll join the cry; '' save the 'odeon' !! ''
Dr Evil
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3:26am Thu 17 Sep 09
I too am 36 and object vehemently to the desecration of our Historis City Architectute to be replaced with metal and glass boxes with a life-span of about 15 years.
Rather than putting all those posters with a true love for their City down, stop and pick up a book of Photos of Bradford in, say the 1960s. Century old Buildings can be seen housing thriving businesses. However,l in the last 50 years or so, the City has been submitted to waves of mindless destruction fo the sake of contemporary Councillors making their mark on the City.
There is no question that the exo-skeleton of the Odeon could be utilised for a new purpose However, the likes of Kris Hopkins, Adrian Naylor and Anne Hawkesworth would rather build for NOW with no respect for the PAST and no respect for the FUTURE. What legacy are they leaving when the buildings they impose on the Cityscape stand vacant and derelict in just a couple of decades' time? They should use the materials that their predecessors have given them.
Before you disregard the above as the rantings of a lunatic, just look at the semi-derelict Yorkshire Building Society Tower and the like now, or look at the now demolished Foster Square which itself foolishly replaced Buildings with Fantastic Architecture which had every chance of standing for decades.
Dr Evil
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3:26am Thu 17 Sep 09
I too am 36 and object vehemently to the desecration of our Historis City Architectute to be replaced with metal and glass boxes with a life-span of about 15 years.
Rather than putting all those posters with a true love for their City down, stop and pick up a book of Photos of Bradford in, say the 1960s. Century old Buildings can be seen housing thriving businesses. However,l in the last 50 years or so, the City has been submitted to waves of mindless destruction fo the sake of contemporary Councillors making their mark on the City.
There is no question that the exo-skeleton of the Odeon could be utilised for a new purpose However, the likes of Kris Hopkins, Adrian Naylor and Anne Hawkesworth would rather build for NOW with no respect for the PAST and no respect for the FUTURE. What legacy are they leaving when the buildings they impose on the Cityscape stand vacant and derelict in just a couple of decades' time? They should use the materials that their predecessors have given them.
Before you disregard the above as the rantings of a lunatic, just look at the semi-derelict Yorkshire Building Society Tower and the like now, or look at the now demolished Foster Square which itself foolishly replaced Buildings with Fantastic Architecture which had every chance of standing for decades.
Moon on a stick
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12:13pm Thu 17 Sep 09
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The new building will be derelict with empty apartments and business units within years, never mind decades.
eldraco
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4:11pm Fri 18 Sep 09
I give up with this set of ****pots on the council and their building buddies. Have they heard of the phrase "completer/finisher"
? Apparently not. Demolsish BGroadway and the surroundings, talk about some putting some poxy water feature iin City Square and now this load of ****. As stated, I give up......
jkelly
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7:09am Mon 21 Sep 09
alas poor bradford I new it well
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3:36pm Mon 21 Sep 09
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albion says...
6:26am Wed 16 Sep 09