People from 13 faiths gather in Bradford to help celebrate Pakistan's independence (From Bradford Telegraph and Argus)

I'd love to be a fly on the wall when they all get home from this patronising and two faced nonsense!

finemess wrote:
I'd love to be a fly on the wall when they all get home from this patronising and two faced nonsense!

And there are certainly no flies on you! A very astute appraisal.

I think it's a nice idea, anything that encourages reasonable dialogue and communication is a good thing.

Unfortunately much of the time reasonable dialogue is missing from the contributions to this forum.

*Mrs Walker shoos the flies away that, strangely, always seem to swarm around Albion's posts....*

ms walker wrote:
I think it's a nice idea, anything that encourages reasonable dialogue and communication is a good thing.

Unfortunately much of the time reasonable dialogue is missing from the contributions to this forum.

*Mrs Walker shoos the flies away that, strangely, always seem to swarm around Albion's posts....*

Lol ! :D

On a more serious note, Pakistan is a *failed* state. My ancestors came from that region (when it was part of India), and it's shameful how corrupt that country is.

The poor get poorer and the rich get richer.

That coupled with the fact that Islamabad is in league with the Zionist Neo-Cons (in Washington and Tel Aviv) for their un-winnable war in Afghanistan and the Swat region.

What a shameful day it was yesterday; celebrating corruption, death, and destruction.

Iona Cortina wrote:
On a more serious note, Pakistan is a *failed* state. My ancestors came from that region (when it was part of India), and it's shameful how corrupt that country is.

The poor get poorer and the rich get richer.

That coupled with the fact that Islamabad is in league with the Zionist Neo-Cons (in Washington and Tel Aviv) for their un-winnable war in Afghanistan and the Swat region.

What a shameful day it was yesterday; celebrating corruption, death, and destruction.

I don't know enough about that Iona, though I follow the news. And of course, all news - wherever we source it - has a bias depending on who is telling the story and what their points of reference are.

Do you feel that India should not have been partitioned? I myself thought it was a cause for celebration, since it gave people independence, and certainly Pakistan as a country in its own right has had notable successes - in sport, textiles, food and computing to name but a few - but I admit my ignorance about the history leading up to that event and am curious to know your opinion.
To be fair it is a new nation, and I think it will take many years for it to find its shape.
I'd like more transparency about the issues around Afghanistan. I understand that it was America who originally armed and trained the Taleban as an ally during the Cold War when the USSR were occupying that region - and they probably regret that move in retrospect...! however strategically, I'm sure it's important, and I'd like much more honesty from our governments about why we are there.
From the information I've read, it seems that many of its people want neither the Americans nor the Taleban, but because of the feudal system, democracy is proving difficult to attain. What do you personally think is best for the people of Afghanistan, and why? And who is best placed to help them?

'The poor get poorer and the rich get richer.'

*sigh!* Welcome to the whole wide world.... :-(

I think it is wonderful that pakistanis are celebrating there independence day.
And it is nice to see all faiths getting involved we should be encouraging all faiths to join in to celebrate all the countries celebrations.Lets all get togeather and enjoy peace and happiness god bless.

ms walker wrote:

Iona Cortina wrote:
On a more serious note, Pakistan is a *failed* state. My ancestors came from that region (when it was part of India), and it's shameful how corrupt that country is.

The poor get poorer and the rich get richer.

That coupled with the fact that Islamabad is in league with the Zionist Neo-Cons (in Washington and Tel Aviv) for their un-winnable war in Afghanistan and the Swat region.

What a shameful day it was yesterday; celebrating corruption, death, and destruction.

I don't know enough about that Iona, though I follow the news. And of course, all news - wherever we source it - has a bias depending on who is telling the story and what their points of reference are.

Do you feel that India should not have been partitioned? I myself thought it was a cause for celebration, since it gave people independence, and certainly Pakistan as a country in its own right has had notable successes - in sport, textiles, food and computing to name but a few - but I admit my ignorance about the history leading up to that event and am curious to know your opinion.
To be fair it is a new nation, and I think it will take many years for it to find its shape.
I'd like more transparency about the issues around Afghanistan. I understand that it was America who originally armed and trained the Taleban as an ally during the Cold War when the USSR were occupying that region - and they probably regret that move in retrospect...! however strategically, I'm sure it's important, and I'd like much more honesty from our governments about why we are there.
From the information I've read, it seems that many of its people want neither the Americans nor the Taleban, but because of the feudal system, democracy is proving difficult to attain. What do you personally think is best for the people of Afghanistan, and why? And who is best placed to help them?

'The poor get poorer and the rich get richer.'

*sigh!* Welcome to the whole wide world.... :-(

Hi Ms Walker

I certainly agree that the partition is something to be celebrated. A new nation is always a joyous occasion. And yes, the US was arming the Afghans in the 80s but they didn't go under the name 'Taliban'. It was your local, average Afghan that was resisting the Russian occupation.

The best people to govern Afghanistan, are the Afghans themselves, *without* any interference from 'outiside'. Karzai (the president of said country) is just another puppet of the West. They're the ones that are pulling his strings.

To 'give' democracy to a people that have never experienced it before, is complete folly. Imagine if someone came from nowhere and decided to impose a new set of laws on an entire country. But as we know, it was all a sham to begin with. The end goal of the Bush Admin (and now with Obama) is to Occupy Afghanistan, so it can be used as a launching pad for any potential conflict with it's neighbours (Iran and even Pakistan if need be).

The 'democracy' nonsense is just that; nonsense. First it was to capture OBL, then the objective changed to democracy; now it will be changed again to thwart any attack from other countries (which we know is BS).

One final thing, the Afghan invasion was primarily to protect Israel (just like Iraq was); you'll never find this in the mainstream media; then again, one has to search long and hard for the truth to finally 'out' itself.

See this link re. Israel's involvement in Afghanistan (copy and paste) :

http://www.youtube.c
om/watch?v=Ddgm0ScSn
x4

("Operation in Afghanistan is rooted in Israel")

ms walker wrote:
I think it's a nice idea, anything that encourages reasonable dialogue and communication is a good thing. Unfortunately much of the time reasonable dialogue is missing from the contributions to this forum. *Mrs Walker shoos the flies away that, strangely, always seem to swarm around Albion's posts....*

Perhaps Albion lives in the real world and not cloud cuckoo land and realises(unlike yourself) that multiculturism is not, will not, and never will work because the Pakistani community won't let it work. The first post hits the nail on the head its a pity you don't see them having a friendly get together on St Georges day.

Oakenshaw white wrote:

ms walker wrote:
I think it's a nice idea, anything that encourages reasonable dialogue and communication is a good thing. Unfortunately much of the time reasonable dialogue is missing from the contributions to this forum. *Mrs Walker shoos the flies away that, strangely, always seem to swarm around Albion's posts....*

Perhaps Albion lives in the real world and not cloud cuckoo land and realises(unlike yourself) that multiculturism is not, will not, and never will work because the Pakistani community won't let it work. The first post hits the nail on the head its a pity you don't see them having a friendly get together on St Georges day.

Strange that, because from where I'm sitting, monitoring the posts that go up on this website, it seems more like a small but determined bunch of white English bigots are determined not to let it work. Your own post is contentious, to say the least. Albion's are often downright offensive, which is why they keep getting pulled. Most of the schools in Bradford - including the ones with a lot of British-Asian children- were planning to take part in this year's St George's day celebrations. Perhaps if the National Front hadn't adopted the George flag for their insignia, people wouldn't feel so wary of its significance now?