Hospital probe as patient in 20ft window plunge (From Bradford Telegraph and Argus)

spinnekop wrote:
Well you heartless bunch of sods !! This guy is obviously in a bad way and untill you lot have been down that road where ending it seems your only option I think you should keep your sarcasm under control. im ashamed of you! Hope the guy makes a full recovery and manages to pull himself out of the dark place he is.

Tyke69 wrote:
I can't believe some of the comments on here. No wonder Bradford is in the poor state it's in if this is how Bradfordians view their fellow human-beings. People with mental health problems have enough to deal with, without being described as "nutcases" or "benefit grabbing scum". You know nothing about this man's circumstances but are judging him anyway. I pity you if all you can find to do is come on here and complain about someone who obviously needs help. Hang your heads in shame people of Bradford. I am not proud to say I live in this city anymore if it is populated with bigots like you.

Fastnecker wrote:
The mother-of-five said: “He’s in a really bad way" I agree - off his t*ts on valleys, holed up with a 34 year old mother of 5 on Buttershaw. No wonder he's he was looking for a way out

Fastnecker wrote:
She has 5 kids. The couple have kids. But I'll have a bet not all 5 kids are his. She's a looker.

the Laird wrote:

Fastnecker wrote: She has 5 kids. The couple have kids. But I'll have a bet not all 5 kids are his. She's a looker.

Looks more like a right slapper than a looker to me! And i agree why waste money on an enquiry when its blatantly obvious what he did?

DJA wrote:

the Laird wrote:

Fastnecker wrote: She has 5 kids. The couple have kids. But I'll have a bet not all 5 kids are his. She's a looker.

Looks more like a right slapper than a looker to me! And i agree why waste money on an enquiry when its blatantly obvious what he did?

The reason there has to be an enquiry is while in being treated in hospital, the Trust has a legal responsibility of care to their patients. Clearly this man had already attempted to take his life, and therefore should not have been left alone until he was under the care of a pwas suffering from depression for whatever reason and obviously suicidal - Therefore why was he left unattended while waiting for a psychiatrist. All these people having a good laugh over this should remember one thing - one in four people at some time in their life will suffer from mental illness - Lets hope it's not your loved one who is let down by the hospital trust.

osamabobladen wrote:
Twenty foot is hardly a hight to 'end it'. Have you seen the picture - its second floor up, maximum.

the Laird wrote:

DJA wrote:

the Laird wrote:

Fastnecker wrote: She has 5 kids. The couple have kids. But I'll have a bet not all 5 kids are his. She's a looker.

Looks more like a right slapper than a looker to me! And i agree why waste money on an enquiry when its blatantly obvious what he did?

The reason there has to be an enquiry is while in being treated in hospital, the Trust has a legal responsibility of care to their patients. Clearly this man had already attempted to take his life, and therefore should not have been left alone until he was under the care of a pwas suffering from depression for whatever reason and obviously suicidal - Therefore why was he left unattended while waiting for a psychiatrist. All these people having a good laugh over this should remember one thing - one in four people at some time in their life will suffer from mental illness - Lets hope it's not your loved one who is let down by the hospital trust.

Let down by the hospital trust? what planet are you from,you sound like one of those no win-no fee shysters.If he said he wanted to go to the toilet,would you expect the female nurse to go into the cubicle with him? or maybe you think the NHS can afford a team for each patient in there? Instead of churning out all that health and safety/duty of care claptrap,you might care to reflect on what a good job our nursing staff doing,considering what they have to deal with round here,rather than knocking them all the time!

DJA wrote:

the Laird wrote:

DJA wrote:

the Laird wrote:

Fastnecker wrote: She has 5 kids. The couple have kids. But I'll have a bet not all 5 kids are his. She's a looker.

Looks more like a right slapper than a looker to me! And i agree why waste money on an enquiry when its blatantly obvious what he did?

The reason there has to be an enquiry is while in being treated in hospital, the Trust has a legal responsibility of care to their patients. Clearly this man had already attempted to take his life, and therefore should not have been left alone until he was under the care of a pwas suffering from depression for whatever reason and obviously suicidal - Therefore why was he left unattended while waiting for a psychiatrist. All these people having a good laugh over this should remember one thing - one in four people at some time in their life will suffer from mental illness - Lets hope it's not your loved one who is let down by the hospital trust.

Let down by the hospital trust? what planet are you from,you sound like one of those no win-no fee shysters.If he said he wanted to go to the toilet,would you expect the female nurse to go into the cubicle with him? or maybe you think the NHS can afford a team for each patient in there? Instead of churning out all that health and safety/duty of care claptrap,you might care to reflect on what a good job our nursing staff doing,considering what they have to deal with round here,rather than knocking them all the time!

I am a member of the Bradford Teaching Hospitals NHS Foundation Trust, so please don't insult my intelligence witha ramble about how wonderful everything is. This case clearly shows that metnal health care in Bradford is still a shambles. Genral nursing staff on the wards at the BRI are not trained to deal with such patients who should be under the care of a metnal health specialist. It is not clap trap to expect a mental health patient to be dealt with in a proper way, than just plonking him on a general ward. Mental health care in this country is a shambles. He was not in A&E at the time of the incident he was on Ward 4. He was not in a cubicle. How did he manage to climb onto the ledge of the window without one member of staff seeing him. I did not knock all hospital staff, clearly there was a problem on this one ward.

Leighann wrote:

DJA wrote:

the Laird wrote:

DJA wrote:

the Laird wrote:

Fastnecker wrote: She has 5 kids. The couple have kids. But I'll have a bet not all 5 kids are his. She's a looker.

Looks more like a right slapper than a looker to me! And i agree why waste money on an enquiry when its blatantly obvious what he did?

The reason there has to be an enquiry is while in being treated in hospital, the Trust has a legal responsibility of care to their patients. Clearly this man had already attempted to take his life, and therefore should not have been left alone until he was under the care of a pwas suffering from depression for whatever reason and obviously suicidal - Therefore why was he left unattended while waiting for a psychiatrist. All these people having a good laugh over this should remember one thing - one in four people at some time in their life will suffer from mental illness - Lets hope it's not your loved one who is let down by the hospital trust.

Let down by the hospital trust? what planet are you from,you sound like one of those no win-no fee shysters.If he said he wanted to go to the toilet,would you expect the female nurse to go into the cubicle with him? or maybe you think the NHS can afford a team for each patient in there? Instead of churning out all that health and safety/duty of care claptrap,you might care to reflect on what a good job our nursing staff doing,considering what they have to deal with round here,rather than knocking them all the time!

I am a member of the Bradford Teaching Hospitals NHS Foundation Trust, so please don't insult my intelligence witha ramble about how wonderful everything is. This case clearly shows that metnal health care in Bradford is still a shambles. Genral nursing staff on the wards at the BRI are not trained to deal with such patients who should be under the care of a metnal health specialist. It is not clap trap to expect a mental health patient to be dealt with in a proper way, than just plonking him on a general ward. Mental health care in this country is a shambles. He was not in A&E at the time of the incident he was on Ward 4. He was not in a cubicle. How did he manage to climb onto the ledge of the window without one member of staff seeing him. I did not knock all hospital staff, clearly there was a problem on this one ward.

How can staff keep an eye on every single patient in the ward? Toilets are private, do you expect a member of staff to go to the toilet every time with a patient? It is more than likely that he has gone for a sly fag where he has climbed up onto the window sill and forced the window open so staff don't smell the smoke, and in this case with forcing it he has fallen out. Just because you are a memeber of the Trust doesn't give you an insite into working lives on the ward, try and work on ward 4 yourself and you will soon see what they have to deal with, actually try working on any of the wards and see if you can cope with some of the patients they have on them. On call psyc teams do come but if a patient refuses treatment there is nothing more they can do.

DJA wrote:

Leighann wrote:

DJA wrote:

the Laird wrote:

DJA wrote:

the Laird wrote:

Fastnecker wrote: She has 5 kids. The couple have kids. But I'll have a bet not all 5 kids are his. She's a looker.

Looks more like a right slapper than a looker to me! And i agree why waste money on an enquiry when its blatantly obvious what he did?

The reason there has to be an enquiry is while in being treated in hospital, the Trust has a legal responsibility of care to their patients. Clearly this man had already attempted to take his life, and therefore should not have been left alone until he was under the care of a pwas suffering from depression for whatever reason and obviously suicidal - Therefore why was he left unattended while waiting for a psychiatrist. All these people having a good laugh over this should remember one thing - one in four people at some time in their life will suffer from mental illness - Lets hope it's not your loved one who is let down by the hospital trust.

Let down by the hospital trust? what planet are you from,you sound like one of those no win-no fee shysters.If he said he wanted to go to the toilet,would you expect the female nurse to go into the cubicle with him? or maybe you think the NHS can afford a team for each patient in there? Instead of churning out all that health and safety/duty of care claptrap,you might care to reflect on what a good job our nursing staff doing,considering what they have to deal with round here,rather than knocking them all the time!

I am a member of the Bradford Teaching Hospitals NHS Foundation Trust, so please don't insult my intelligence witha ramble about how wonderful everything is. This case clearly shows that metnal health care in Bradford is still a shambles. Genral nursing staff on the wards at the BRI are not trained to deal with such patients who should be under the care of a metnal health specialist. It is not clap trap to expect a mental health patient to be dealt with in a proper way, than just plonking him on a general ward. Mental health care in this country is a shambles. He was not in A&E at the time of the incident he was on Ward 4. He was not in a cubicle. How did he manage to climb onto the ledge of the window without one member of staff seeing him. I did not knock all hospital staff, clearly there was a problem on this one ward.

How can staff keep an eye on every single patient in the ward? Toilets are private, do you expect a member of staff to go to the toilet every time with a patient? It is more than likely that he has gone for a sly fag where he has climbed up onto the window sill and forced the window open so staff don't smell the smoke, and in this case with forcing it he has fallen out. Just because you are a memeber of the Trust doesn't give you an insite into working lives on the ward, try and work on ward 4 yourself and you will soon see what they have to deal with, actually try working on any of the wards and see if you can cope with some of the patients they have on them. On call psyc teams do come but if a patient refuses treatment there is nothing more they can do.

Excuse me your still missing the point.

Firstly IT IS the responsbility of staff on a ward to keep an eye on their patients. That happens to be their job and that's why they are called professionals.

It is also a responsbility of the Trust to make sure that there are enough staff to allow those dities to be carried out.

I spend a lot of my time at the Bradford Royal Infirmary and St Lukes Hospital and my family have worked within the NHS since 1960's so I do happen to have a lot of knowlege of the NHS both present and past.

I don't know why you are talking about toilets for, the patient didn't jump out of a toilet window.

If he wanted a cig I think he would just have gone to the main doors like every other patient and member of staff does.

osamabobladen wrote:
So DJA - does she have to claim?

albion wrote:

DJA wrote:

Leighann wrote:

DJA wrote:

the Laird wrote:

DJA wrote:

the Laird wrote:

Fastnecker wrote: She has 5 kids. The couple have kids. But I'll have a bet not all 5 kids are his. She's a looker.

Looks more like a right slapper than a looker to me! And i agree why waste money on an enquiry when its blatantly obvious what he did?

The reason there has to be an enquiry is while in being treated in hospital, the Trust has a legal responsibility of care to their patients. Clearly this man had already attempted to take his life, and therefore should not have been left alone until he was under the care of a pwas suffering from depression for whatever reason and obviously suicidal - Therefore why was he left unattended while waiting for a psychiatrist. All these people having a good laugh over this should remember one thing - one in four people at some time in their life will suffer from mental illness - Lets hope it's not your loved one who is let down by the hospital trust.

Let down by the hospital trust? what planet are you from,you sound like one of those no win-no fee shysters.If he said he wanted to go to the toilet,would you expect the female nurse to go into the cubicle with him? or maybe you think the NHS can afford a team for each patient in there? Instead of churning out all that health and safety/duty of care claptrap,you might care to reflect on what a good job our nursing staff doing,considering what they have to deal with round here,rather than knocking them all the time!

I am a member of the Bradford Teaching Hospitals NHS Foundation Trust, so please don't insult my intelligence witha ramble about how wonderful everything is. This case clearly shows that metnal health care in Bradford is still a shambles. Genral nursing staff on the wards at the BRI are not trained to deal with such patients who should be under the care of a metnal health specialist. It is not clap trap to expect a mental health patient to be dealt with in a proper way, than just plonking him on a general ward. Mental health care in this country is a shambles. He was not in A&E at the time of the incident he was on Ward 4. He was not in a cubicle. How did he manage to climb onto the ledge of the window without one member of staff seeing him. I did not knock all hospital staff, clearly there was a problem on this one ward.

How can staff keep an eye on every single patient in the ward? Toilets are private, do you expect a member of staff to go to the toilet every time with a patient? It is more than likely that he has gone for a sly fag where he has climbed up onto the window sill and forced the window open so staff don't smell the smoke, and in this case with forcing it he has fallen out. Just because you are a memeber of the Trust doesn't give you an insite into working lives on the ward, try and work on ward 4 yourself and you will soon see what they have to deal with, actually try working on any of the wards and see if you can cope with some of the patients they have on them. On call psyc teams do come but if a patient refuses treatment there is nothing more they can do.

Excuse me your still missing the point. Firstly IT IS the responsbility of staff on a ward to keep an eye on their patients. That happens to be their job and that's why they are called professionals. It is also a responsbility of the Trust to make sure that there are enough staff to allow those dities to be carried out. I spend a lot of my time at the Bradford Royal Infirmary and St Lukes Hospital and my family have worked within the NHS since 1960's so I do happen to have a lot of knowlege of the NHS both present and past. I don't know why you are talking about toilets for, the patient didn't jump out of a toilet window. If he wanted a cig I think he would just have gone to the main doors like every other patient and member of staff does.

"Thomas Wilson, 45, suffered injuries including two broken ankles when he plunged more than 20 feet from a toilet window." So this report is wrong then? Smoking outside the main door isnt allowed!

DJA wrote:

Leighann wrote:

DJA wrote:

the Laird wrote:

DJA wrote:

the Laird wrote:

Fastnecker wrote: She has 5 kids. The couple have kids. But I'll have a bet not all 5 kids are his. She's a looker.

Looks more like a right slapper than a looker to me! And i agree why waste money on an enquiry when its blatantly obvious what he did?

The reason there has to be an enquiry is while in being treated in hospital, the Trust has a legal responsibility of care to their patients. Clearly this man had already attempted to take his life, and therefore should not have been left alone until he was under the care of a pwas suffering from depression for whatever reason and obviously suicidal - Therefore why was he left unattended while waiting for a psychiatrist. All these people having a good laugh over this should remember one thing - one in four people at some time in their life will suffer from mental illness - Lets hope it's not your loved one who is let down by the hospital trust.

Let down by the hospital trust? what planet are you from,you sound like one of those no win-no fee shysters.If he said he wanted to go to the toilet,would you expect the female nurse to go into the cubicle with him? or maybe you think the NHS can afford a team for each patient in there? Instead of churning out all that health and safety/duty of care claptrap,you might care to reflect on what a good job our nursing staff doing,considering what they have to deal with round here,rather than knocking them all the time!

I am a member of the Bradford Teaching Hospitals NHS Foundation Trust, so please don't insult my intelligence witha ramble about how wonderful everything is. This case clearly shows that metnal health care in Bradford is still a shambles. Genral nursing staff on the wards at the BRI are not trained to deal with such patients who should be under the care of a metnal health specialist. It is not clap trap to expect a mental health patient to be dealt with in a proper way, than just plonking him on a general ward. Mental health care in this country is a shambles. He was not in A&E at the time of the incident he was on Ward 4. He was not in a cubicle. How did he manage to climb onto the ledge of the window without one member of staff seeing him. I did not knock all hospital staff, clearly there was a problem on this one ward.

How can staff keep an eye on every single patient in the ward? Toilets are private, do you expect a member of staff to go to the toilet every time with a patient? It is more than likely that he has gone for a sly fag where he has climbed up onto the window sill and forced the window open so staff don't smell the smoke, and in this case with forcing it he has fallen out. Just because you are a memeber of the Trust doesn't give you an insite into working lives on the ward, try and work on ward 4 yourself and you will soon see what they have to deal with, actually try working on any of the wards and see if you can cope with some of the patients they have on them. On call psyc teams do come but if a patient refuses treatment there is nothing more they can do.

Excuse me your still missing the point. Firstly IT IS the responsbility of staff on a ward to keep an eye on their patients. That happens to be their job and that's why they are called professionals. It is also a responsbility of the Trust to make sure that there are enough staff to allow those dities to be carried out. I spend a lot of my time at the Bradford Royal Infirmary and St Lukes Hospital and my family have worked within the NHS since 1960's so I do happen to have a lot of knowlege of the NHS both present and past. I don't know why you are talking about toilets for, the patient didn't jump out of a toilet window. If he wanted a cig I think he would just have gone to the main doors like every other patient and member of staff does.

DJA wrote:

Leighann wrote:

DJA wrote:

the Laird wrote:

DJA wrote:

the Laird wrote:

Fastnecker wrote: She has 5 kids. The couple have kids. But I'll have a bet not all 5 kids are his. She's a looker.

Looks more like a right slapper than a looker to me! And i agree why waste money on an enquiry when its blatantly obvious what he did?

The reason there has to be an enquiry is while in being treated in hospital, the Trust has a legal responsibility of care to their patients. Clearly this man had already attempted to take his life, and therefore should not have been left alone until he was under the care of a pwas suffering from depression for whatever reason and obviously suicidal - Therefore why was he left unattended while waiting for a psychiatrist. All these people having a good laugh over this should remember one thing - one in four people at some time in their life will suffer from mental illness - Lets hope it's not your loved one who is let down by the hospital trust.

Let down by the hospital trust? what planet are you from,you sound like one of those no win-no fee shysters.If he said he wanted to go to the toilet,would you expect the female nurse to go into the cubicle with him? or maybe you think the NHS can afford a team for each patient in there? Instead of churning out all that health and safety/duty of care claptrap,you might care to reflect on what a good job our nursing staff doing,considering what they have to deal with round here,rather than knocking them all the time!

I am a member of the Bradford Teaching Hospitals NHS Foundation Trust, so please don't insult my intelligence witha ramble about how wonderful everything is. This case clearly shows that metnal health care in Bradford is still a shambles. Genral nursing staff on the wards at the BRI are not trained to deal with such patients who should be under the care of a metnal health specialist. It is not clap trap to expect a mental health patient to be dealt with in a proper way, than just plonking him on a general ward. Mental health care in this country is a shambles. He was not in A&E at the time of the incident he was on Ward 4. He was not in a cubicle. How did he manage to climb onto the ledge of the window without one member of staff seeing him. I did not knock all hospital staff, clearly there was a problem on this one ward.

How can staff keep an eye on every single patient in the ward? Toilets are private, do you expect a member of staff to go to the toilet every time with a patient? It is more than likely that he has gone for a sly fag where he has climbed up onto the window sill and forced the window open so staff don't smell the smoke, and in this case with forcing it he has fallen out. Just because you are a memeber of the Trust doesn't give you an insite into working lives on the ward, try and work on ward 4 yourself and you will soon see what they have to deal with, actually try working on any of the wards and see if you can cope with some of the patients they have on them. On call psyc teams do come but if a patient refuses treatment there is nothing more they can do.

Excuse me your still missing the point. Firstly IT IS the responsbility of staff on a ward to keep an eye on their patients. That happens to be their job and that's why they are called professionals. It is also a responsbility of the Trust to make sure that there are enough staff to allow those dities to be carried out. I spend a lot of my time at the Bradford Royal Infirmary and St Lukes Hospital and my family have worked within the NHS since 1960's so I do happen to have a lot of knowlege of the NHS both present and past. I don't know why you are talking about toilets for, the patient didn't jump out of a toilet window. If he wanted a cig I think he would just have gone to the main doors like every other patient and member of staff does.

Juice Terry wrote:
If a hospital can't restrain violent mentalists who else can? Surely they can shoot them up the behind with tranquiliser darts or gas them? In the old days they would have been lobotomised like Jack Nicholson in that film abot loopy lou's.

DJA wrote:

osamabobladen wrote: So DJA - does she have to claim?

Firstly it doesn't quote her in anyway as saying she is going to claim. Secondly, the NHS should not put its self in a position to be sued. Less money on insurance - more money on patient care.

SaltaireLass wrote:

DJA wrote:

osamabobladen wrote: So DJA - does she have to claim?

Firstly it doesn't quote her in anyway as saying she is going to claim. Secondly, the NHS should not put its self in a position to be sued. Less money on insurance - more money on patient care.

The NHS self insures so doesn't actually spend a lot of money on insurance...

albion wrote:

SaltaireLass wrote:

DJA wrote:

osamabobladen wrote: So DJA - does she have to claim?

Firstly it doesn't quote her in anyway as saying she is going to claim. Secondly, the NHS should not put its self in a position to be sued. Less money on insurance - more money on patient care.

The NHS self insures so doesn't actually spend a lot of money on insurance...

It does however spend a lot in settling claims, in the town of Reading in the last five years the NHS paid out £14m to claimants, that is not an unusual amount and Reading isnt anywhere near being the biggest area. So they are spending a lot on things other than healthcare and facilities.