Euro election ‘set to cause upsets’ (From Bradford Telegraph and Argus)
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Euro election ‘set to cause upsets’
3:20am Wednesday 3rd June 2009 in
The Bradford district goes to the polls tomorrow for the European Parliament election amid predictions that it may see “the most volatile voting patterns in living memory”.
One think-tank, the Democratic Audit, predicts that nationally the British National Party could win as many as five seats while the Greens will also make big gains.
Controversy over MPs’ expenses, combined with the recession, is driving support away from the main parties, said the report published today.
Think-tank director Stuart Wilks-Heeg said: “This promises to be one of the most unusual elections we have ever seen. The voting system, the current political climate, and regional concentrations of support could see smaller parties fare exceptionally well.
“If turnout remains at just under 40 per cent and regular voters switch support away from the main parties, rather than stay at home, we would see seats won by the Greens and BNP.”
In the Yorkshire and Humber region, four local candidates are in the running. Sitting MEP Richard Corbett, of Saltaire, lines up again for Labour. Shipley councillor Kevin Warnes is standing for the Greens, Jason Smith, of Queensbury, is standing for the UK Independence Party, and Christopher Butler, of Shipley, lines up for the Socialist Labour Party.
In total there are 69 candidates vying for six MEP seats to represent Yorkshire and Humber:
British National Party – Andrew Henry William Brons; Nick Cass; Chris Beverley; Marlene Guest; Paul Anthony Harris; Trevor David Brown.
Christian Party – Sid Cordle; Andrew David McClintock; Angela Carolyn MacDonald; John O’Brien; Samantha Clare Cauldwell; Rebecca Ann Jones.
Conservative Party – *Edward Hugh Christian McMillan-Scott; *Timothy John Robert Kirkhope; Fleur Josephine Butler; Matthew Allen Bean; Nicholas James Burrows; Glynis Joan Frew.
English Democrats Party – Michael William Cassidy; Joanne Robinson; Peter Davies; David Basil Wildgoose; Paul Henry Adrian McEnhill; Geoffrey Lawrence Crossman.
Jury Team – Barbara Hibbert; Anthony Robert Hooper; Ben Saxton.
Liberal Democrats – *Diana Paulette Wallis; Stewart David Arnold; Rebecca Elisabeth Taylor; James Monaghan; Nader Fekri; Neil Poole.
No2EU: Yes to Democracy – Keith Allan Gibson; Celia Elizabeth Foote; Jackie Grunsell; Peter Rowland March; Michael Francis Davies; Juliet Marie Boddington.
Pro Democracy: Libertas.eu – Antony John Devoy; Edward Francis Devoy; Stephen Andrew Clark; Diana MacLeod; Trevor John Bending; Kathleen Harris.
Socialist Labour Party – William Kenneth Capstick; Linda Venice Sheridan; Stephen Edward Yoxall; Holly Jo Yoxall; Terence Robinson; Christopher Robert Butler.
The Green Party – Martin Hemingway; Shan Oakes; Leslie Rowe; Lesley Hedges; Kevin Warnes; Steve Barnard.
Labour Party – *Linda McAvan; *Richard Graham Corbett; Emma Elizabeth Hoddinott; David Bowe; Melanie Onn; Mahroof Hussain.
UK Independence Party – *Godfrey William Bloom; Jonathan William Arnott; Jason Paul Smith; Tobias Horton; David Daniel; Lynette Afshar.
Comments(66)
albion
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6:29am Wed 3 Jun 09
dcranebl
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9:53am Wed 3 Jun 09
albion
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11:20am Wed 3 Jun 09
dcranebl wrote:Greens moderate? Everything that isnt banned is compulsory would be a fitting description of them, UKIP despite what they claim to stand for have actually voted to increase EU controls on some occasions.
Here's hoping the moderate fringe parties (UKIP, Greens, Libertas) pick-up the dissatisfaction, not the left-wing fascists.
Tom Sutton
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11:30am Wed 3 Jun 09
its johnny
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11:31am Wed 3 Jun 09
dcranebl
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11:40am Wed 3 Jun 09
albion wrote:They're democratic, and committed to British traditions.
dcranebl wrote: Here's hoping the moderate fringe parties (UKIP, Greens, Libertas) pick-up the dissatisfaction, not the left-wing fascists.Greens moderate? Everything that isnt banned is compulsory would be a fitting description of them, UKIP despite what they claim to stand for have actually voted to increase EU controls on some occasions.
There's nothing British about the BNP, we've never elected fascists to a legislature and I hope we dont' start now.
People voting for the vile left-wing fascists, the BNP, should think again. Their views are abhorrent.
Black Sheep
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11:54am Wed 3 Jun 09
dcranebl
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12:00pm Wed 3 Jun 09
Black Sheep wrote:They are. Their economic policy is more left-wing than Labour. On a left-right axis, they're firmly on the left.
dcranebl the BNP are not left wing lol
Their economic policy is socialist, it's why they pick-up votes in old-Labour heartlands.
It's a myth that facist/authoritarian = right-wing, it doesn't. They are left-wing.
dcranebl
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12:07pm Wed 3 Jun 09
www.politicalcompass
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They're authoritarian, but left-wing. They're to the left of the Liberal Democrats.
albion
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1:29pm Wed 3 Jun 09
dcranebl wrote:I didnt indicate where if anywhere my cross would be put!
albion wrote:They're democratic, and committed to British traditions.
dcranebl wrote: Here's hoping the moderate fringe parties (UKIP, Greens, Libertas) pick-up the dissatisfaction, not the left-wing fascists.Greens moderate? Everything that isnt banned is compulsory would be a fitting description of them, UKIP despite what they claim to stand for have actually voted to increase EU controls on some occasions.
There's nothing British about the BNP, we've never elected fascists to a legislature and I hope we dont' start now.
People voting for the vile left-wing fascists, the BNP, should think again. Their views are abhorrent.
But i can well understand the reluctance of some to vote for parties who are proven to be riddled with sleaze and are seemingly standing by and murmuring encouragement as the totalitarian beliefs of some who are recent immigrants gain more of a foothold as time progresses.
Whatever your or my views are there seem to be plenty whose views are changing to the direction that you so despise, and that situation has been created by those parties who have held office for the last few decades.
Apollo
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2:04pm Wed 3 Jun 09
dcranebl wrote:Can you be both left wing and a fascist?
Here's hoping the moderate fringe parties (UKIP, Greens, Libertas) pick-up the dissatisfaction, not the left-wing fascists.
Surely by definition a fascist is right wing.
dcranebl
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2:43pm Wed 3 Jun 09
albion wrote:Oh, I didn't mean to suggest you were thinking of voting BNP.
dcranebl wrote:I didnt indicate where if anywhere my cross would be put! But i can well understand the reluctance of some to vote for parties who are proven to be riddled with sleaze and are seemingly standing by and murmuring encouragement as the totalitarian beliefs of some who are recent immigrants gain more of a foothold as time progresses. Whatever your or my views are there seem to be plenty whose views are changing to the direction that you so despise, and that situation has been created by those parties who have held office for the last few decades.albion wrote:They're democratic, and committed to British traditions. There's nothing British about the BNP, we've never elected fascists to a legislature and I hope we dont' start now. People voting for the vile left-wing fascists, the BNP, should think again. Their views are abhorrent.dcranebl wrote: Here's hoping the moderate fringe parties (UKIP, Greens, Libertas) pick-up the dissatisfaction, not the left-wing fascists.Greens moderate? Everything that isnt banned is compulsory would be a fitting description of them, UKIP despite what they claim to stand for have actually voted to increase EU controls on some occasions.
I accept the main political parties' actions have led to this, but we must not fall for the BNP's act. Anybody but the BNP is my view.
dcranebl
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2:47pm Wed 3 Jun 09
Apollo wrote:You can. There is nothing in the definition of fascist that would make it right-wing.
dcranebl wrote: Here's hoping the moderate fringe parties (UKIP, Greens, Libertas) pick-up the dissatisfaction, not the left-wing fascists.Can you be both left wing and a fascist? Surely by definition a fascist is right wing.
It's an apolitical term, it doesn't matter if you're free market or socialist, you can be fasicst, as the BNP are.
The term far-right has been mistakenly used for too long. There are fascist right-wingers, obviously, just as there are fascist left-wingers. The BNP are firmly on the left.
They wouldn't be picking-up votes in old-Labour heartlands, if they didn't have the socialist/left-wing doctrine they do. On the economy, health-care, benefits, schooling, etc, they're far to the left of the Labour party.
albion
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2:54pm Wed 3 Jun 09
dcranebl wrote:I would suggest that they are picking up votes in "labour heartlands" because in the main they are the areas most affected by immigration, i doubt that a very good percentage of potential voters have looked much deeper into things than that.
Apollo wrote:You can. There is nothing in the definition of fascist that would make it right-wing.
dcranebl wrote: Here's hoping the moderate fringe parties (UKIP, Greens, Libertas) pick-up the dissatisfaction, not the left-wing fascists.Can you be both left wing and a fascist? Surely by definition a fascist is right wing.
It's an apolitical term, it doesn't matter if you're free market or socialist, you can be fasicst, as the BNP are.
The term far-right has been mistakenly used for too long. There are fascist right-wingers, obviously, just as there are fascist left-wingers. The BNP are firmly on the left.
They wouldn't be picking-up votes in old-Labour heartlands, if they didn't have the socialist/left-wing doctrine they do. On the economy, health-care, benefits, schooling, etc, they're far to the left of the Labour party.
neverthetwain
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5:11pm Wed 3 Jun 09
albion
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5:17pm Wed 3 Jun 09
neverthetwain wrote:Fooled? some maybe, but there are plenty of others who find they offer exactly what they want.
Anyone who thinks the BNPis not racist needs to check their website. No to anyone non white joining their party(south africa all over again) , send all immigrants back home voluntarily first(includes people who were born here) if that doesnt work thenuse heavy handed tactics. How has a bunch of neo nazis fooled so many Brits. Our forefathers fought against these thugs.
dcranebl
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5:18pm Wed 3 Jun 09
albion wrote:I'm sure that's true of some. I do think many disaffected Labour voters will take to the BNP message that they'll close our borders to trade and a bunch of other messages that could have been plucked from the 1970s.
dcranebl wrote:I would suggest that they are picking up votes in "labour heartlands" because in the main they are the areas most affected by immigration, i doubt that a very good percentage of potential voters have looked much deeper into things than that.Apollo wrote:You can. There is nothing in the definition of fascist that would make it right-wing. It's an apolitical term, it doesn't matter if you're free market or socialist, you can be fasicst, as the BNP are. The term far-right has been mistakenly used for too long. There are fascist right-wingers, obviously, just as there are fascist left-wingers. The BNP are firmly on the left. They wouldn't be picking-up votes in old-Labour heartlands, if they didn't have the socialist/left-wing doctrine they do. On the economy, health-care, benefits, schooling, etc, they're far to the left of the Labour party.dcranebl wrote: Here's hoping the moderate fringe parties (UKIP, Greens, Libertas) pick-up the dissatisfaction, not the left-wing fascists.Can you be both left wing and a fascist? Surely by definition a fascist is right wing.
guggsy
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6:50pm Wed 3 Jun 09
c/pot
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6:56pm Wed 3 Jun 09
guggsy wrote:You will be waiting a long time for someone toshow you how the multi-cultural
I for one have been voting BNP in Bradford for some years know.Mainly because i was fed up with the way Bradford was going but also felt that the 3 main parties didnt believe in the democratic process hence year after year of anti BNP media spin and pro ethnic minority news stories.Why do peolpe assume that anyone that votes BNP are not politically or socially aware?I do not need the likes of over grown student types preaching to me about the rights n wrongs of the BNP,i make my own informed choices.As a hard working tax-payer i vote for the party who will send a message out about the TRUE britain and when someone can show me how a multi-cultural environment has improved Bradford then i may listen.
environment has improved Bradford or anywhere else in the uk, we are going down hill fast.
dcranebl
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7:05pm Wed 3 Jun 09
How anybody can think fascism is the way to 'restore Britain' is beyond me, we've never elected fascists and hopefully never will. Its glory days were spent fighting off these kind of men, do you think Churchill would be proud? Never.
As for Bradford, what about the vast majority of its ethnic people who have done nothing wrong except being ethnic in the eyes of BNP? Hardly a grand reason to deport them all.
They have trouble makers, as we do, but they mostly follow the law, work hard and pay their taxes, like we do.
I agree multi-cultarlism is a load of cobblers put upon us by the liberal elite, it's still no reason to vote for fascists.
guggsy
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7:08pm Wed 3 Jun 09
c/pot wrote:Unfortunately to have towns like Harrogate you will have citys like Bradford.Someone can turn round and call me a racist for voting BNP but surely the question that should be asked are why is there not one mosque in Harrogate?is this town institutionally racist.I witnessed the Bradford riots first hand and will always remember members of the ANL filtering off to there Bingley and Ilkley hideaways having stoked up the flames.Those that have loadest voices in the media tend to be holed up in the leafy suburbs,would they want to live in Bradford?doubt it.
guggsy wrote: I for one have been voting BNP in Bradford for some years know.Mainly because i was fed up with the way Bradford was going but also felt that the 3 main parties didnt believe in the democratic process hence year after year of anti BNP media spin and pro ethnic minority news stories.Why do peolpe assume that anyone that votes BNP are not politically or socially aware?I do not need the likes of over grown student types preaching to me about the rights n wrongs of the BNP,i make my own informed choices.As a hard working tax-payer i vote for the party who will send a message out about the TRUE britain and when someone can show me how a multi-cultural environment has improved Bradford then i may listen.You will be waiting a long time for someone toshow you how the multi-cultural environment has improved Bradford or anywhere else in the uk, we are going down hill fast.
guggsy
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7:20pm Wed 3 Jun 09
dcranebl wrote:Your entitled to your opinion however there is fundanmental segregation in Bradford,e.g asian areas and white areas.A vote for lib,labour or con will not alter anything within this area,you get many pakistani anti-war protesters who still vote labour at a local level because it suits there needs regardless of moral beliefs,therefore if i feel multi-culturism has harmed my citys educational standards,health standards,environmen
We're going downhill fast because of our, er, mostly white politicians. The BNP's idea: let's deport the minorities, that'll solve it all. How anybody can think fascism is the way to 'restore Britain' is beyond me, we've never elected fascists and hopefully never will. Its glory days were spent fighting off these kind of men, do you think Churchill would be proud? Never. As for Bradford, what about the vast majority of its ethnic people who have done nothing wrong except being ethnic in the eyes of BNP? Hardly a grand reason to deport them all. They have trouble makers, as we do, but they mostly follow the law, work hard and pay their taxes, like we do. I agree multi-cultarlism is a load of cobblers put upon us by the liberal elite, it's still no reason to vote for fascists.
tstandards i will continue to vote for a party who will best address these issues rather than sweep them under the carpet.
Bradford is far from law-abiding in fact it tops many polls for car tax/insurance evasion,drug trafficing from asia and generally the Citys standards have slipped before my eyes in the last 30 years
albion
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9:12pm Wed 3 Jun 09
dcranebl wrote:There are plenty of places around the world with mainly none white politicians where even worse problems exist.
We're going downhill fast because of our, er, mostly white politicians. The BNP's idea: let's deport the minorities, that'll solve it all.
How anybody can think fascism is the way to 'restore Britain' is beyond me, we've never elected fascists and hopefully never will. Its glory days were spent fighting off these kind of men, do you think Churchill would be proud? Never.
As for Bradford, what about the vast majority of its ethnic people who have done nothing wrong except being ethnic in the eyes of BNP? Hardly a grand reason to deport them all.
They have trouble makers, as we do, but they mostly follow the law, work hard and pay their taxes, like we do.
I agree multi-cultarlism is a load of cobblers put upon us by the liberal elite, it's still no reason to vote for fascists.
The vast majority of Bradfords ethnic people to whom you refer are Muslim and Islam as we all know is a total way of life and not just a religion, many people are convinced that when its followers reach sufficient numbers the people who have already declared their intention to create an Islamic state in this country will re-emerge and from a more powerful position start to work towards enforcement, The BNP for all its faults is the only party offering to combat this, as i have already stated on other posts, this situation has been brought about by the two major parties who now seem to be blindly hoping what looks to many to be inevitable will never come to the fore.
count_cillla
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10:36pm Wed 3 Jun 09
ms walker
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1:29am Thu 4 Jun 09
albion wrote:"The BNP for all its faults is the only party offering to combat this"
dcranebl wrote:There are plenty of places around the world with mainly none white politicians where even worse problems exist.
We're going downhill fast because of our, er, mostly white politicians. The BNP's idea: let's deport the minorities, that'll solve it all.
How anybody can think fascism is the way to 'restore Britain' is beyond me, we've never elected fascists and hopefully never will. Its glory days were spent fighting off these kind of men, do you think Churchill would be proud? Never.
As for Bradford, what about the vast majority of its ethnic people who have done nothing wrong except being ethnic in the eyes of BNP? Hardly a grand reason to deport them all.
They have trouble makers, as we do, but they mostly follow the law, work hard and pay their taxes, like we do.
I agree multi-cultarlism is a load of cobblers put upon us by the liberal elite, it's still no reason to vote for fascists.
The vast majority of Bradfords ethnic people to whom you refer are Muslim and Islam as we all know is a total way of life and not just a religion, many people are convinced that when its followers reach sufficient numbers the people who have already declared their intention to create an Islamic state in this country will re-emerge and from a more powerful position start to work towards enforcement, The BNP for all its faults is the only party offering to combat this, as i have already stated on other posts, this situation has been brought about by the two major parties who now seem to be blindly hoping what looks to many to be inevitable will never come to the fore.
It doesn't need combating, Albion. It doesn't exist except in your paranoid mind. And if it ever does come to pass, then THAT is the time to address it - not with some illogical 'pre-emptive strike' against anyone who doesn't fit your demographic.
And kindly leave the 'I understand why...' avuncular pretence out of it - it's evident that you wholeheartedly agree with the BNPs policies. Your diffidence does you no favours. Your allegiance is transparent. Shame. I thought you had more intelligence.
albion
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6:34am Thu 4 Jun 09
ms walker wrote:The fact is i dont agree with them, because compared to me they are a bunch of liberal minded fence sitters.
albion wrote:"The BNP for all its faults is the only party offering to combat this"
dcranebl wrote:There are plenty of places around the world with mainly none white politicians where even worse problems exist.
We're going downhill fast because of our, er, mostly white politicians. The BNP's idea: let's deport the minorities, that'll solve it all.
How anybody can think fascism is the way to 'restore Britain' is beyond me, we've never elected fascists and hopefully never will. Its glory days were spent fighting off these kind of men, do you think Churchill would be proud? Never.
As for Bradford, what about the vast majority of its ethnic people who have done nothing wrong except being ethnic in the eyes of BNP? Hardly a grand reason to deport them all.
They have trouble makers, as we do, but they mostly follow the law, work hard and pay their taxes, like we do.
I agree multi-cultarlism is a load of cobblers put upon us by the liberal elite, it's still no reason to vote for fascists.
The vast majority of Bradfords ethnic people to whom you refer are Muslim and Islam as we all know is a total way of life and not just a religion, many people are convinced that when its followers reach sufficient numbers the people who have already declared their intention to create an Islamic state in this country will re-emerge and from a more powerful position start to work towards enforcement, The BNP for all its faults is the only party offering to combat this, as i have already stated on other posts, this situation has been brought about by the two major parties who now seem to be blindly hoping what looks to many to be inevitable will never come to the fore.
It doesn't need combating, Albion. It doesn't exist except in your paranoid mind. And if it ever does come to pass, then THAT is the time to address it - not with some illogical 'pre-emptive strike' against anyone who doesn't fit your demographic.
And kindly leave the 'I understand why...' avuncular pretence out of it - it's evident that you wholeheartedly agree with the BNPs policies. Your diffidence does you no favours. Your allegiance is transparent. Shame. I thought you had more intelligence.
But the naive approach from such as yourself will eventually prove to be folly i am sure.
ms walker
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9:29am Thu 4 Jun 09
As for the BNP I wouldn't waste my spit on a man who is prepared to share a platform with the Ku Klux Klan (see YouTube) - an organisation, don't forget, whose members dragged a disabled black man to his death behind a pickup truck. Vile. Disgusting. Inhumane.
SLATE MINER
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10:01am Thu 4 Jun 09
albion
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10:28am Thu 4 Jun 09
SLATE MINER wrote:Try their website for manifesto information i suppose.
The above posts are all very well but will someone please tell me what policies the BNP have like Health, Education, Economy, Unemployment and so on. I aint seen no evidence of any of that yet so why should I vote for them?
albion
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10:36am Thu 4 Jun 09
ms walker wrote:On balance you might mention the British man murdered the other day by those who intend to destroy our freedom and way of life.
Unsubstantiated, Albion! You may as well consult an astrologist if you're going to make such wild guesses. However, one surefire way of encouraging disharmony is to foster an environment where suspicion and distrust is the norm. Is that why you do it?
As for the BNP I wouldn't waste my spit on a man who is prepared to share a platform with the Ku Klux Klan (see YouTube) - an organisation, don't forget, whose members dragged a disabled black man to his death behind a pickup truck. Vile. Disgusting. Inhumane.
It strikes me that "one surefire way of encouraging disharmony" is to flood ones own country with people whose ultimate intention is to carry out the well documented orders of their so called prophet.
c/pot
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11:18am Thu 4 Jun 09
albion wrote:Why waste your time and effort on this nutter?You cant educate pork.
ms walker wrote: Unsubstantiated, Albion! You may as well consult an astrologist if you're going to make such wild guesses. However, one surefire way of encouraging disharmony is to foster an environment where suspicion and distrust is the norm. Is that why you do it? As for the BNP I wouldn't waste my spit on a man who is prepared to share a platform with the Ku Klux Klan (see YouTube) - an organisation, don't forget, whose members dragged a disabled black man to his death behind a pickup truck. Vile. Disgusting. Inhumane.On balance you might mention the British man murdered the other day by those who intend to destroy our freedom and way of life. It strikes me that "one surefire way of encouraging disharmony" is to flood ones own country with people whose ultimate intention is to carry out the well documented orders of their so called prophet.
mr sixty
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11:31am Thu 4 Jun 09
SLATE MINER
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12:13pm Thu 4 Jun 09
albion wrote:Ive now been on their website. There are a load of 1 liners about variouys areas but no where does it give any inclination as to how they are going to achieve what they say they are going to do.
SLATE MINER wrote: The above posts are all very well but will someone please tell me what policies the BNP have like Health, Education, Economy, Unemployment and so on. I aint seen no evidence of any of that yet so why should I vote for them?Try their website for manifesto information i suppose.
dcranebl
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12:15pm Thu 4 Jun 09
albion
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12:38pm Thu 4 Jun 09
SLATE MINER wrote:I see what you mean, the manifesto part is out of action, if you google bnp manifestos you can find them in pdf on the BBC although they appear to be fairly old ones.
albion wrote:Ive now been on their website. There are a load of 1 liners about variouys areas but no where does it give any inclination as to how they are going to achieve what they say they are going to do.
SLATE MINER wrote: The above posts are all very well but will someone please tell me what policies the BNP have like Health, Education, Economy, Unemployment and so on. I aint seen no evidence of any of that yet so why should I vote for them?Try their website for manifesto information i suppose.
SLATE MINER
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1:04pm Thu 4 Jun 09
albion wrote:This is precisely my point. SWurely if you are going to vote for a party you need to know the overall picture not just policy in one area. If the BNP cant even be bothered to make up to date information available then in my view they are not worthy of a vote.
SLATE MINER wrote:I see what you mean, the manifesto part is out of action, if you google bnp manifestos you can find them in pdf on the BBC although they appear to be fairly old ones.albion wrote:Ive now been on their website. There are a load of 1 liners about variouys areas but no where does it give any inclination as to how they are going to achieve what they say they are going to do.SLATE MINER wrote: The above posts are all very well but will someone please tell me what policies the BNP have like Health, Education, Economy, Unemployment and so on. I aint seen no evidence of any of that yet so why should I vote for them?Try their website for manifesto information i suppose.
albion
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2:42pm Thu 4 Jun 09
SLATE MINER wrote:Possibly so, i am not connected to any political organisation so i couldnt say why the manifestos are unavailable or indeed how long they have been missing, it could well be sabotage but if its due to lack of site maintenance then i would agree with you that it is a very neglectful and self deprecating oversight.
albion wrote:This is precisely my point. SWurely if you are going to vote for a party you need to know the overall picture not just policy in one area. If the BNP cant even be bothered to make up to date information available then in my view they are not worthy of a vote.
SLATE MINER wrote:I see what you mean, the manifesto part is out of action, if you google bnp manifestos you can find them in pdf on the BBC although they appear to be fairly old ones.albion wrote:Ive now been on their website. There are a load of 1 liners about variouys areas but no where does it give any inclination as to how they are going to achieve what they say they are going to do.SLATE MINER wrote: The above posts are all very well but will someone please tell me what policies the BNP have like Health, Education, Economy, Unemployment and so on. I aint seen no evidence of any of that yet so why should I vote for them?Try their website for manifesto information i suppose.
I am a bit surprised though that you didnt find out the required information long before polling day (there have been a few references to their policies on matters other than immigration on threads occasionally).
dont get me started
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3:51pm Thu 4 Jun 09
Mr Gummage
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5:38pm Thu 4 Jun 09
albion
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6:00pm Thu 4 Jun 09
Mr Gummage wrote:There is a Euro2009 manifesto listed on their site and that is as we have discovered out of action.
If you look at the Labour Party's record and refer this to statements in their own manifesto - they have failed miserably on most things: Education - the cost to our students is rising, the NHS - what a joke that is now, Transport, private car costs... Lets face it, the BNP will be hard pushed to do a worse job on these subjects, so I think they are worth a shot - By the way, you are not voting for a general election here guys, this is for Euro MPs. Whichever party gets the most votes in each area, they get the first shot at selecting their Euro MPs - its not a General Election, so Manifestos are really not the subject on these elections.
Crusader88
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9:00pm Thu 4 Jun 09
s of political smear and untruths.
dcranebl
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9:10pm Thu 4 Jun 09
ms walker
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2:13am Fri 5 Jun 09
Crusader88 wrote:Nick Griffin their 'leader' has been convicted of inciting racial hatred. What more proof do you want???
Under British law, any party deemed to be racist and/or fascist, would be outlawed from the registration stage. And as the BNP are proven to be neither of the above, they are free to gain the public vote just like the rest of the democratic parties. It is the red top papers and marxist left that continue to feed the anti-BNP hate machine, simply because the BNP opposes all that is destroying our once great nation. Make up your own mind folks, and whoever you vote/voted for, don't be afraid/ashamed of your actions,...regardles
s of political smear and untruths.
Vote BNP and hang your head in shame. This country fought fascism, genocide and racial cleansing in the Second World War, and if you vote BNP, you are supporting everything we fought against now.
albion
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6:41am Fri 5 Jun 09
ms walker wrote:No it didnt! we didnt know about genocide and racial cleansing when WE declared war on Germany. And what have some of your nice taxi boys been up to in Skipton? We dont seem to hear of them grooming their own do we? You are supporting everything we will have to fight against in the future (the slow but sure growth of a fundamentalist state).
Crusader88 wrote:Nick Griffin their 'leader' has been convicted of inciting racial hatred. What more proof do you want???
Under British law, any party deemed to be racist and/or fascist, would be outlawed from the registration stage. And as the BNP are proven to be neither of the above, they are free to gain the public vote just like the rest of the democratic parties. It is the red top papers and marxist left that continue to feed the anti-BNP hate machine, simply because the BNP opposes all that is destroying our once great nation. Make up your own mind folks, and whoever you vote/voted for, don't be afraid/ashamed of your actions,...regardles
s of political smear and untruths.
Vote BNP and hang your head in shame. This country fought fascism, genocide and racial cleansing in the Second World War, and if you vote BNP, you are supporting everything we fought against now.
Cakeface
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1:50pm Fri 5 Jun 09
affy
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2:08pm Fri 5 Jun 09
affy
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2:12pm Fri 5 Jun 09
albion
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2:48pm Fri 5 Jun 09
affy wrote:We still manage to contribute millions of pounds in aid to Pakistan each year, and to other impoverished countries. Your other remarks so obviously designed to be provocative mean nothing in the great scheme of things and while difficulties would certainly arise in the short term if for instance all Muslims were to leave the country, we would get over it.
Your such a misearable lot I bet its the immigrants fault your so crap at football, theres no sun in this country and the economy is in ruins and you aint got no job, that your children are drug addicts, and your wife ran of white an asian taxi driver. I cant blame you I would me miserable and depressed as well if I were a white Brit. :)
Your post timed at 2.08 is the more sensible of the two and i would agree with much of what you say about returning to and managing your own country.
Let us not be deflected too far from what this thread is about though, you as everyone else, should find out what suits your needs as far as political manifestos go, and vote accordingly.
The alternative of course is to leave this cold, miserable and depressed country for pastures new, but the funny thing is there are still long queues to get in here, be they legal or otherwise.
Lee
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2:50pm Fri 5 Jun 09
its because of attitudes like yours that people are voting for the BNP, your references to the "us and them" show quite clearly what your general feeling towards whites is and probably shows everyone else why places like maningham have become no go area's for many white folk over the past decade.
dont get me started
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5:55pm Fri 5 Jun 09
affy
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8:36pm Fri 5 Jun 09
dcranebl
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8:41pm Fri 5 Jun 09
affy
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9:09pm Fri 5 Jun 09
albion
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9:42pm Fri 5 Jun 09
affy wrote:My pension in the main is private and derived from my own efforts, and yes i do feel sorry for all those unfortunate people who have been cheated out of their rightful dues.
Im here to continue to employ local white brits to keep them of the dole que, contribute to Albions pensions, with the high rate of taxes I have to pay. To put things into perspective no Britain would not survive without us if we left, because we would take the billions that we have poured into the economy and investments in hedge funds with us. We would also sart charcging you for the oil, that you have so far been given for free. If you really can live without us then boycott all asian business the taxis that you catch when youre drunk, the takeaways and restraunts, the asian doctors and pharmasicts you visit. By the way in not a racist i like white people who are tolerant and not biggots. Ask them i employ quite a few :)
As for your other threats/offers, please feel free to go! i will take my chances, oh and by the way when i was in business i employed people from a variety of racial backgrounds and also worked alongside such people when i was employed by others, so we have all done our bit in that respect.
I dont use taxis rarely drink (and never to excess) dont eat takeaways or frequent Asian restaurants and my doctor and pharmacist are both white females, but i can well understand how some others might be put out.
To sum up, you are here because it is to your advantage to be here and NOT from any sense of benevolence.
affy
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9:57pm Fri 5 Jun 09
affy
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10:07pm Fri 5 Jun 09
dcranebl
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10:39pm Fri 5 Jun 09
The Arab economies would dry-up, we're dependent on each other. Either walks it and both are ruined.
Also, do you think Russia or Venuzuela would really stop providing oil? I doubt it.
dont get me started
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10:41pm Fri 5 Jun 09
affy wrote:You have a serious attitude problem...
Im here to continue to employ local white brits to keep them of the dole que, contribute to Albions pensions, with the high rate of taxes I have to pay. To put things into perspective no Britain would not survive without us if we left, because we would take the billions that we have poured into the economy and investments in hedge funds with us. We would also sart charcging you for the oil, that you have so far been given for free. If you really can live without us then boycott all asian business the taxis that you catch when youre drunk, the takeaways and restraunts, the asian doctors and pharmasicts you visit. By the way in not a racist i like white people who are tolerant and not biggots. Ask them i employ quite a few :)
albion
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6:28am Mon 8 Jun 09
its johnny wrote:Millions of votes, first county councillors elected, first MEPs elected and almost 1 in 10 of the votes in Bradford!
Wouldnt worry much about the BNP, they wont win jack
Cakeface
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2:00pm Mon 8 Jun 09
affy
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5:34pm Mon 8 Jun 09
Mun
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6:54pm Mon 8 Jun 09
Of course its human nature to protect what is yours and it were reversed I’m sure Asians wouldn’t like either. And some comments by the BNP are hurtful to the ethnics.
We have put into our society a large amount, but what about where we come from? maybe if we were to go back we could make our country a good place too. All the doctors and Pharmacists etc etc could do a great deal of good at this time of crisis in Pakistan/India/Bangl
adesh…..
Well that’s my opinion, each to their own. Times are getting tough for us here, if we ever have to call it a day then, maybe we could make a difference in our countries of origin. Britain was coping before we came here and I’m sure they’ll continue to do so. About the European community policies, would it not have an adverse effect on relationships with other member states, I mean let’s face it, Britain’s not hugely popular and with some states, relationships have only just been recovered. Would it not affect (mainly) trade? Economically, the relationships and treaties such as Euratom, and ECSC. Also, not only the EU but also relations with non EU states. Wouldn’t it lead to isolation?
albion
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9:13pm Mon 8 Jun 09
Mun wrote:Norway, Switzerland and Croatia all do very well despite none membership, that of course is no guarantee that others could do the same.
I’ve lived in Bradford all my life; I don’t support BNP but those who do that is their right. Living here us Asians have a lot to be thankful for, the government (with its flaws) has provided education, healthcare, employment amongst other benefits. Just as it has to its own people. We wouldn’t have this if we were back home.
Of course its human nature to protect what is yours and it were reversed I’m sure Asians wouldn’t like either. And some comments by the BNP are hurtful to the ethnics.
We have put into our society a large amount, but what about where we come from? maybe if we were to go back we could make our country a good place too. All the doctors and Pharmacists etc etc could do a great deal of good at this time of crisis in Pakistan/India/Bangl
adesh…..
Well that’s my opinion, each to their own. Times are getting tough for us here, if we ever have to call it a day then, maybe we could make a difference in our countries of origin. Britain was coping before we came here and I’m sure they’ll continue to do so. About the European community policies, would it not have an adverse effect on relationships with other member states, I mean let’s face it, Britain’s not hugely popular and with some states, relationships have only just been recovered. Would it not affect (mainly) trade? Economically, the relationships and treaties such as Euratom, and ECSC. Also, not only the EU but also relations with non EU states. Wouldn’t it lead to isolation?
Victor Clayton
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12:52pm Tue 9 Jun 09
affy wrote:please close the door on your way out, thanks
So you want the ethnic minorities to take your threats and messages to go home. And not be annoyed that we have contributed to this society, and have right to be here. But you know what, we are not going to take your threats and rascism and stay quite. We are going to speak out, and challenge your rascist and bigotted views. and for those who were offended by my comments, Im sorry, but it was to give you an insight to how ethinc minorities feel when albion and the BNP come out with their trash comments.
Cakeface
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1:08pm Tue 9 Jun 09
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