Iconic Hamm Strassebuilding 'will become feature of Bradford skyline' (From Bradford Telegraph and Argus)

Looks like an incongruous effigy to an architects ego!

wow flowery language-must have a cse!,come on lads start moaning

crispy wrote:
wow flowery language-must have a cse!,come on lads start moaning

What I want to know is why do we need so many hotels in Bradford?

Lets hope they go ahead, that high points been stewing for ages.

wow, another hotel For the illegals to work in and asylum seekers to live in.

crispy wrote:
wow flowery language-must have a cse!,come on lads start moaning

Here's a few non flowery statements for you then:

Another eyesore for the Bradford skyline

I'll believe it when I see it!!!

Hasn't westfield been on the "brink of development" for the last 4 years

"Five national hotel chains are looking at the No 1 Hamm Strasse development which will include a 100-bed three star hotel " - didn't we hear somthing similar from westfield about interested retailers

Wasn't westfield based on assurances?

StAlbans might use flowery language but at least he's not gullible enough to fall for the spin AGAIN

We haven't had a nice artists impression in the T&A for some months now so it's good to see them running one today. Will this be added to the archive of "Plans that never came to fruition"? I think most Bradfordians know the answer. The T&A should produce a book of all these artists impressions from over the years, it'd make interesting reading, the title could be "Bradford - An artist's impression of what might have been"

Perhaps we should rename the town 'artists impression '

Pull down all the old buildings and replace them with billboards of what the town could look like!!!

why not have a big depressing black hole and you cheery lot could all live together in it and spend eternity moaning-for gods sake cheer up!

emma72 wrote:
Perhaps we should rename the town 'artists impression '

Pull down all the old buildings and replace them with billboards of what the town could look like!!!

Isnt that what has happened?

Even if this does go ahead, it will only provide a temporary financial boost for those already in the highly paid Construction Industry & allied trades, and won't benefit anyone else. Oh, apart from the Hotel staff who get to slave for Minimum Wage no doubt.

St.Albans Bantam wrote:
Looks like an incongruous effigy to an architects ego!

A modern version of the Tower of Babel.

CITY MADNESS wrote:

crispy wrote:
wow flowery language-must have a cse!,come on lads start moaning

What I want to know is why do we need so many hotels in Bradford?

Most hotels in Bradford are DSS doss-houses or brothels.

crispy wrote:
why not have a big depressing black hole and you cheery lot could all live together in it and spend eternity moaning-for gods sake cheer up!

Big depressing black hole - got that!!

emma72 wrote:
Perhaps we should rename the town 'artists impression ' Pull down all the old buildings and replace them with billboards of what the town could look like!!!

This has already been done. There is a sign with a picture of a bulding that is supposed to being built next to the Ring O' Bells public house on Bolton Road.

It somes up a lot of these things in delightful Bradford as it has been there for quite some years now and will probably never be built.

Does anyone know of where there are any more?

crispy wrote:
why not have a big depressing black hole and you cheery lot could all live together in it and spend eternity moaning-for gods sake cheer up!

The problem is that our beloved councillors do absolutely nothing to try and cheer us up as you put it. In case you have not noticed we allready have a big depressing black hole right bank in the centre of the City. It appears now that we are doomed to get several more.
If you read the posts on this site you will clearly see that all the general public are asking is for something to finish in Bradford. It is all very well having all these regeneration bods jetting round the world but at the end of the day all they have brought upon the city is NOTHING.

a great artist's impression:no doubt part of the million quid or so spent on such: why another story like this: it's a weekly event or hope, aspiration and little else.!!

I will believe when work actually commences in teh building site/bomb site called Bradford!!!

popes got a balcony,bears do it in the woods and you guys never stop bleating,some things never change,think i'm signing off for good as its sooo boring

crispy wrote:
popes got a balcony,bears do it in the woods and you guys never stop bleating,some things never change,think i'm signing off for good as its sooo boring

I am sure I can speak for all the other users on this site when I say thank goodness. You will not be missed.

What more hotels, more artists impressions, more promises, more of Bradford Regeneration!

What about WESTFIELD.
What about the ODEON

A fine mess you made Maude.

FIRST YORKSHIREMAN:
Aye, very passable, that, very passable bit of risotto.
SECOND YORKSHIREMAN:
Nothing like a good glass of Château de Chasselas, eh, Josiah?
THIRD YORKSHIREMAN:
You're right there, Obadiah.
FOURTH YORKSHIREMAN:
Who'd have thought thirty year ago we'd all be sittin' here drinking Château de Chasselas, eh?
FIRST YORKSHIREMAN:
In them days we was glad to have the price of a cup o' tea.
SECOND YORKSHIREMAN:
A cup o' cold tea.
FOURTH YORKSHIREMAN:
Without milk or sugar.
THIRD YORKSHIREMAN:
Or tea.
FIRST YORKSHIREMAN:
In a cracked cup, an' all.
FOURTH YORKSHIREMAN:
Oh, we never had a cup. We used to have to drink out of a rolled up newspaper.
SECOND YORKSHIREMAN:
The best we could manage was to suck on a piece of damp cloth.
THIRD YORKSHIREMAN:
But you know, we were happy in those days, though we were poor.
FIRST YORKSHIREMAN:
Because we were poor. My old Dad used to say to me, "Money doesn't buy you happiness, son".
FOURTH YORKSHIREMAN:
Aye, 'e was right.
FIRST YORKSHIREMAN:
Aye, 'e was.
FOURTH YORKSHIREMAN:
I was happier then and I had nothin'. We used to live in this tiny old house with great big holes in the roof.
SECOND YORKSHIREMAN:
House! You were lucky to live in a house! We used to live in one room, all twenty-six of us, no furniture, 'alf the floor was missing, and we were all 'uddled together in one corner for fear of falling.
THIRD YORKSHIREMAN:
Eh, you were lucky to have a room! We used to have to live in t' corridor!
FIRST YORKSHIREMAN:
Oh, we used to dream of livin' in a corridor! Would ha' been a palace to us. We used to live in an old water tank on a rubbish tip. We got woke up every morning by having a load of rotting fish dumped all over us! House? Huh.
FOURTH YORKSHIREMAN:
Well, when I say 'house' it was only a hole in the ground covered by a sheet of tarpaulin, but it was a house to us.
SECOND YORKSHIREMAN:
We were evicted from our 'ole in the ground; we 'ad to go and live in a lake.
THIRD YORKSHIREMAN:
You were lucky to have a lake! There were a hundred and fifty of us living in t' shoebox in t' middle o' road.
FIRST YORKSHIREMAN:
Cardboard box?
THIRD YORKSHIREMAN:
Aye.
FIRST YORKSHIREMAN:
You were lucky. We lived for three months in a paper bag in a septic tank. We used to have to get up at six in the morning, clean the paper bag, eat a crust of stale bread, go to work down t' mill, fourteen hours a day, week-in week-out, for sixpence a week, and when we got home our Dad would thrash us to sleep wi' his belt.
SECOND YORKSHIREMAN:
Luxury. We used to have to get out of the lake at six o'clock in the morning, clean the lake, eat a handful of 'ot gravel, work twenty hour day at mill for tuppence a month, come home, and Dad would thrash us to sleep with a broken bottle, if we were lucky!
THIRD YORKSHIREMAN:
Well, of course, we had it tough. We used to 'ave to get up out of shoebox at twelve o'clock at night and lick road clean wit' tongue. We had two bits of cold gravel, worked twenty-four hours a day at mill for sixpence every four years, and when we got home our Dad would slice us in two wit' bread knife.
FOURTH YORKSHIREMAN:
Right. I had to get up in the morning at ten o'clock at night half an hour before I went to bed, drink a cup of sulphuric acid, work twenty-nine hours a day down mill, and pay mill owner for permission to come to work, and when we got home, our Dad and our mother would kill us and dance about on our graves singing Hallelujah.
FIRST YORKSHIREMAN:
And you try and tell the young people of today that ..... they won't believe you.
ALL:
They won't!

Thee Voice of Reason wrote:
FIRST YORKSHIREMAN: Aye, very passable, that, very passable bit of risotto. SECOND YORKSHIREMAN: Nothing like a good glass of Château de Chasselas, eh, Josiah? THIRD YORKSHIREMAN: You're right there, Obadiah. FOURTH YORKSHIREMAN: Who'd have thought thirty year ago we'd all be sittin' here drinking Château de Chasselas, eh? FIRST YORKSHIREMAN: In them days we was glad to have the price of a cup o' tea. SECOND YORKSHIREMAN: A cup o' cold tea. FOURTH YORKSHIREMAN: Without milk or sugar. THIRD YORKSHIREMAN: Or tea. FIRST YORKSHIREMAN: In a cracked cup, an' all. FOURTH YORKSHIREMAN: Oh, we never had a cup. We used to have to drink out of a rolled up newspaper. SECOND YORKSHIREMAN: The best we could manage was to suck on a piece of damp cloth. THIRD YORKSHIREMAN: But you know, we were happy in those days, though we were poor. FIRST YORKSHIREMAN: Because we were poor. My old Dad used to say to me, "Money doesn't buy you happiness, son". FOURTH YORKSHIREMAN: Aye, 'e was right. FIRST YORKSHIREMAN: Aye, 'e was. FOURTH YORKSHIREMAN: I was happier then and I had nothin'. We used to live in this tiny old house with great big holes in the roof. SECOND YORKSHIREMAN: House! You were lucky to live in a house! We used to live in one room, all twenty-six of us, no furniture, 'alf the floor was missing, and we were all 'uddled together in one corner for fear of falling. THIRD YORKSHIREMAN: Eh, you were lucky to have a room! We used to have to live in t' corridor! FIRST YORKSHIREMAN: Oh, we used to dream of livin' in a corridor! Would ha' been a palace to us. We used to live in an old water tank on a rubbish tip. We got woke up every morning by having a load of rotting fish dumped all over us! House? Huh. FOURTH YORKSHIREMAN: Well, when I say 'house' it was only a hole in the ground covered by a sheet of tarpaulin, but it was a house to us. SECOND YORKSHIREMAN: We were evicted from our 'ole in the ground; we 'ad to go and live in a lake. THIRD YORKSHIREMAN: You were lucky to have a lake! There were a hundred and fifty of us living in t' shoebox in t' middle o' road. FIRST YORKSHIREMAN: Cardboard box? THIRD YORKSHIREMAN: Aye. FIRST YORKSHIREMAN: You were lucky. We lived for three months in a paper bag in a septic tank. We used to have to get up at six in the morning, clean the paper bag, eat a crust of stale bread, go to work down t' mill, fourteen hours a day, week-in week-out, for sixpence a week, and when we got home our Dad would thrash us to sleep wi' his belt. SECOND YORKSHIREMAN: Luxury. We used to have to get out of the lake at six o'clock in the morning, clean the lake, eat a handful of 'ot gravel, work twenty hour day at mill for tuppence a month, come home, and Dad would thrash us to sleep with a broken bottle, if we were lucky! THIRD YORKSHIREMAN: Well, of course, we had it tough. We used to 'ave to get up out of shoebox at twelve o'clock at night and lick road clean wit' tongue. We had two bits of cold gravel, worked twenty-four hours a day at mill for sixpence every four years, and when we got home our Dad would slice us in two wit' bread knife. FOURTH YORKSHIREMAN: Right. I had to get up in the morning at ten o'clock at night half an hour before I went to bed, drink a cup of sulphuric acid, work twenty-nine hours a day down mill, and pay mill owner for permission to come to work, and when we got home, our Dad and our mother would kill us and dance about on our graves singing Hallelujah. FIRST YORKSHIREMAN: And you try and tell the young people of today that ..... they won't believe you. ALL: They won't!

Well done T & A on finding the first full blown fool.

CITY MADNESS wrote:

Thee Voice of Reason wrote: FIRST YORKSHIREMAN: Aye, very passable, that, very passable bit of risotto. SECOND YORKSHIREMAN: Nothing like a good glass of Château de Chasselas, eh, Josiah? THIRD YORKSHIREMAN: You're right there, Obadiah. FOURTH YORKSHIREMAN: Who'd have thought thirty year ago we'd all be sittin' here drinking Château de Chasselas, eh? FIRST YORKSHIREMAN: In them days we was glad to have the price of a cup o' tea. SECOND YORKSHIREMAN: A cup o' cold tea. FOURTH YORKSHIREMAN: Without milk or sugar. THIRD YORKSHIREMAN: Or tea. FIRST YORKSHIREMAN: In a cracked cup, an' all. FOURTH YORKSHIREMAN: Oh, we never had a cup. We used to have to drink out of a rolled up newspaper. SECOND YORKSHIREMAN: The best we could manage was to suck on a piece of damp cloth. THIRD YORKSHIREMAN: But you know, we were happy in those days, though we were poor. FIRST YORKSHIREMAN: Because we were poor. My old Dad used to say to me, "Money doesn't buy you happiness, son". FOURTH YORKSHIREMAN: Aye, 'e was right. FIRST YORKSHIREMAN: Aye, 'e was. FOURTH YORKSHIREMAN: I was happier then and I had nothin'. We used to live in this tiny old house with great big holes in the roof. SECOND YORKSHIREMAN: House! You were lucky to live in a house! We used to live in one room, all twenty-six of us, no furniture, 'alf the floor was missing, and we were all 'uddled together in one corner for fear of falling. THIRD YORKSHIREMAN: Eh, you were lucky to have a room! We used to have to live in t' corridor! FIRST YORKSHIREMAN: Oh, we used to dream of livin' in a corridor! Would ha' been a palace to us. We used to live in an old water tank on a rubbish tip. We got woke up every morning by having a load of rotting fish dumped all over us! House? Huh. FOURTH YORKSHIREMAN: Well, when I say 'house' it was only a hole in the ground covered by a sheet of tarpaulin, but it was a house to us. SECOND YORKSHIREMAN: We were evicted from our 'ole in the ground; we 'ad to go and live in a lake. THIRD YORKSHIREMAN: You were lucky to have a lake! There were a hundred and fifty of us living in t' shoebox in t' middle o' road. FIRST YORKSHIREMAN: Cardboard box? THIRD YORKSHIREMAN: Aye. FIRST YORKSHIREMAN: You were lucky. We lived for three months in a paper bag in a septic tank. We used to have to get up at six in the morning, clean the paper bag, eat a crust of stale bread, go to work down t' mill, fourteen hours a day, week-in week-out, for sixpence a week, and when we got home our Dad would thrash us to sleep wi' his belt. SECOND YORKSHIREMAN: Luxury. We used to have to get out of the lake at six o'clock in the morning, clean the lake, eat a handful of 'ot gravel, work twenty hour day at mill for tuppence a month, come home, and Dad would thrash us to sleep with a broken bottle, if we were lucky! THIRD YORKSHIREMAN: Well, of course, we had it tough. We used to 'ave to get up out of shoebox at twelve o'clock at night and lick road clean wit' tongue. We had two bits of cold gravel, worked twenty-four hours a day at mill for sixpence every four years, and when we got home our Dad would slice us in two wit' bread knife. FOURTH YORKSHIREMAN: Right. I had to get up in the morning at ten o'clock at night half an hour before I went to bed, drink a cup of sulphuric acid, work twenty-nine hours a day down mill, and pay mill owner for permission to come to work, and when we got home, our Dad and our mother would kill us and dance about on our graves singing Hallelujah. FIRST YORKSHIREMAN: And you try and tell the young people of today that ..... they won't believe you. ALL: They won't!

Well done T & A on finding the first full blown fool.

Can you get up to Wibsey they are in need of a village idiot.

rubberball wrote:

CITY MADNESS wrote:

Thee Voice of Reason wrote: FIRST YORKSHIREMAN: Aye, very passable, that, very passable bit of risotto. SECOND YORKSHIREMAN: Nothing like a good glass of Château de Chasselas, eh, Josiah? THIRD YORKSHIREMAN: You're right there, Obadiah. FOURTH YORKSHIREMAN: Who'd have thought thirty year ago we'd all be sittin' here drinking Château de Chasselas, eh? FIRST YORKSHIREMAN: In them days we was glad to have the price of a cup o' tea. SECOND YORKSHIREMAN: A cup o' cold tea. FOURTH YORKSHIREMAN: Without milk or sugar. THIRD YORKSHIREMAN: Or tea. FIRST YORKSHIREMAN: In a cracked cup, an' all. FOURTH YORKSHIREMAN: Oh, we never had a cup. We used to have to drink out of a rolled up newspaper. SECOND YORKSHIREMAN: The best we could manage was to suck on a piece of damp cloth. THIRD YORKSHIREMAN: But you know, we were happy in those days, though we were poor. FIRST YORKSHIREMAN: Because we were poor. My old Dad used to say to me, "Money doesn't buy you happiness, son". FOURTH YORKSHIREMAN: Aye, 'e was right. FIRST YORKSHIREMAN: Aye, 'e was. FOURTH YORKSHIREMAN: I was happier then and I had nothin'. We used to live in this tiny old house with great big holes in the roof. SECOND YORKSHIREMAN: House! You were lucky to live in a house! We used to live in one room, all twenty-six of us, no furniture, 'alf the floor was missing, and we were all 'uddled together in one corner for fear of falling. THIRD YORKSHIREMAN: Eh, you were lucky to have a room! We used to have to live in t' corridor! FIRST YORKSHIREMAN: Oh, we used to dream of livin' in a corridor! Would ha' been a palace to us. We used to live in an old water tank on a rubbish tip. We got woke up every morning by having a load of rotting fish dumped all over us! House? Huh. FOURTH YORKSHIREMAN: Well, when I say 'house' it was only a hole in the ground covered by a sheet of tarpaulin, but it was a house to us. SECOND YORKSHIREMAN: We were evicted from our 'ole in the ground; we 'ad to go and live in a lake. THIRD YORKSHIREMAN: You were lucky to have a lake! There were a hundred and fifty of us living in t' shoebox in t' middle o' road. FIRST YORKSHIREMAN: Cardboard box? THIRD YORKSHIREMAN: Aye. FIRST YORKSHIREMAN: You were lucky. We lived for three months in a paper bag in a septic tank. We used to have to get up at six in the morning, clean the paper bag, eat a crust of stale bread, go to work down t' mill, fourteen hours a day, week-in week-out, for sixpence a week, and when we got home our Dad would thrash us to sleep wi' his belt. SECOND YORKSHIREMAN: Luxury. We used to have to get out of the lake at six o'clock in the morning, clean the lake, eat a handful of 'ot gravel, work twenty hour day at mill for tuppence a month, come home, and Dad would thrash us to sleep with a broken bottle, if we were lucky! THIRD YORKSHIREMAN: Well, of course, we had it tough. We used to 'ave to get up out of shoebox at twelve o'clock at night and lick road clean wit' tongue. We had two bits of cold gravel, worked twenty-four hours a day at mill for sixpence every four years, and when we got home our Dad would slice us in two wit' bread knife. FOURTH YORKSHIREMAN: Right. I had to get up in the morning at ten o'clock at night half an hour before I went to bed, drink a cup of sulphuric acid, work twenty-nine hours a day down mill, and pay mill owner for permission to come to work, and when we got home, our Dad and our mother would kill us and dance about on our graves singing Hallelujah. FIRST YORKSHIREMAN: And you try and tell the young people of today that ..... they won't believe you. ALL: They won't!

Well done T & A on finding the first full blown fool.

Can you get up to Wibsey they are in need of a village idiot.

Well said

Hehe, didn't come out as planned silly no edit facility. Was supposed to be just the part about living in a hole in the road with the reply going "Oh you live in that westfield development in Bradford, Aye I know it!"

Nice one Mr Editor.Some more crap to fill your Front Page up.

CITY MADNESS wrote:

rubberball wrote:

CITY MADNESS wrote:

Thee Voice of Reason wrote: FIRST YORKSHIREMAN: Aye, very passable, that, very passable bit of risotto. SECOND YORKSHIREMAN: Nothing like a good glass of Château de Chasselas, eh, Josiah? THIRD YORKSHIREMAN: You're right there, Obadiah. FOURTH YORKSHIREMAN: Who'd have thought thirty year ago we'd all be sittin' here drinking Château de Chasselas, eh? FIRST YORKSHIREMAN: In them days we was glad to have the price of a cup o' tea. SECOND YORKSHIREMAN: A cup o' cold tea. FOURTH YORKSHIREMAN: Without milk or sugar. THIRD YORKSHIREMAN: Or tea. FIRST YORKSHIREMAN: In a cracked cup, an' all. FOURTH YORKSHIREMAN: Oh, we never had a cup. We used to have to drink out of a rolled up newspaper. SECOND YORKSHIREMAN: The best we could manage was to suck on a piece of damp cloth. THIRD YORKSHIREMAN: But you know, we were happy in those days, though we were poor. FIRST YORKSHIREMAN: Because we were poor. My old Dad used to say to me, "Money doesn't buy you happiness, son". FOURTH YORKSHIREMAN: Aye, 'e was right. FIRST YORKSHIREMAN: Aye, 'e was. FOURTH YORKSHIREMAN: I was happier then and I had nothin'. We used to live in this tiny old house with great big holes in the roof. SECOND YORKSHIREMAN: House! You were lucky to live in a house! We used to live in one room, all twenty-six of us, no furniture, 'alf the floor was missing, and we were all 'uddled together in one corner for fear of falling. THIRD YORKSHIREMAN: Eh, you were lucky to have a room! We used to have to live in t' corridor! FIRST YORKSHIREMAN: Oh, we used to dream of livin' in a corridor! Would ha' been a palace to us. We used to live in an old water tank on a rubbish tip. We got woke up every morning by having a load of rotting fish dumped all over us! House? Huh. FOURTH YORKSHIREMAN: Well, when I say 'house' it was only a hole in the ground covered by a sheet of tarpaulin, but it was a house to us. SECOND YORKSHIREMAN: We were evicted from our 'ole in the ground; we 'ad to go and live in a lake. THIRD YORKSHIREMAN: You were lucky to have a lake! There were a hundred and fifty of us living in t' shoebox in t' middle o' road. FIRST YORKSHIREMAN: Cardboard box? THIRD YORKSHIREMAN: Aye. FIRST YORKSHIREMAN: You were lucky. We lived for three months in a paper bag in a septic tank. We used to have to get up at six in the morning, clean the paper bag, eat a crust of stale bread, go to work down t' mill, fourteen hours a day, week-in week-out, for sixpence a week, and when we got home our Dad would thrash us to sleep wi' his belt. SECOND YORKSHIREMAN: Luxury. We used to have to get out of the lake at six o'clock in the morning, clean the lake, eat a handful of 'ot gravel, work twenty hour day at mill for tuppence a month, come home, and Dad would thrash us to sleep with a broken bottle, if we were lucky! THIRD YORKSHIREMAN: Well, of course, we had it tough. We used to 'ave to get up out of shoebox at twelve o'clock at night and lick road clean wit' tongue. We had two bits of cold gravel, worked twenty-four hours a day at mill for sixpence every four years, and when we got home our Dad would slice us in two wit' bread knife. FOURTH YORKSHIREMAN: Right. I had to get up in the morning at ten o'clock at night half an hour before I went to bed, drink a cup of sulphuric acid, work twenty-nine hours a day down mill, and pay mill owner for permission to come to work, and when we got home, our Dad and our mother would kill us and dance about on our graves singing Hallelujah. FIRST YORKSHIREMAN: And you try and tell the young people of today that ..... they won't believe you. ALL: They won't!

Well done T & A on finding the first full blown fool.

Can you get up to Wibsey they are in need of a village idiot.

Well said

I think he was referring to you being the village idiot, not his mate!

Both 'TheeVoiceOfReason' and 'rubberball' have been posting rubbish for a number of years under different guises. They have similar beliefs and are not worth reading.

I suggest you ignore both and hopefully they will go away.

Personally, I am pleased to hear more projects are planned. the Westfield project was doomed from the start, but the developments mentioned above are more likely to go ahead. That said, I agree they shouldn't all be hotel based projects.

Let's get behind the plans instead of ridiculing them. After all, this City needs something to pick it up off it's knees and it isn't fair to criticise developers for the mistakes made by Westfield.

WAYNUS, Bradford is on its knees? that is optimistic ain't it? Bradford is lying on the ground bleeding heavily and getting weak and frail.

Come on guys the reason we need all these hotels is simple, its for all the people who want to work in Leeds. So when Bradford gets taken over by Leeds council and we become part of Greater Leeds... they can have a LS post code...
Put it this way they are not going to fill all the hotels in Bradford with people visiting our main attraction.... 'The Hole'

Nice to see Maud Marshall sticking her head above the parapet again. Where was she when Westfield went west?

I've had a belly full of reading this claptrap from these doom merchants. Yes there have been visions which have not materialised that can be said for any city. Here are developments which are not figments of the imagination but are actually happening. It must make most of you more depressed than normal. One suggestion if you don't like it here, clear off, but I suspect that most of you don't have the guts, know how or even the inclination.

m.r.c wrote:
I've had a belly full of reading this claptrap from these doom merchants. Yes there have been visions which have not materialised that can be said for any city. Here are developments which are not figments of the imagination but are actually happening. It must make most of you more depressed than normal. One suggestion if you don't like it here, clear off, but I suspect that most of you don't have the guts, know how or even the inclination.

You pose some very good arguements. Some of us were born here. Some of us work here. Some of us have children here. Some of us have families here. Enough?
'Yes there have been visions that have not materialised' yes indeed there have more than have materialised. Meanwhile we have to stay here and put up with it whilst our councillors do nothing.
One last comment perhaps if you dont like the people of Bradford expressing their views in a free society you may want to look at moving away yourself but I would doubt it.

m.r.c is a plant by the council and teh various development corporations: either that or a visit to spec savers is required: surely even through rose tinted glasses, when they arrive, he/she will see the bomb site created by mismanagement.

Waynus wrote:
CITY MADNESS wrote: rubberball wrote: CITY MADNESS wrote: Thee Voice of Reason wrote: FIRST YORKSHIREMAN: Aye, very passable, that, very passable bit of risotto. SECOND YORKSHIREMAN: Nothing like a good glass of Château de Chasselas, eh, Josiah? THIRD YORKSHIREMAN: You're right there, Obadiah. FOURTH YORKSHIREMAN: Who'd have thought thirty year ago we'd all be sittin' here drinking Château de Chasselas, eh? FIRST YORKSHIREMAN: In them days we was glad to have the price of a cup o' tea. SECOND YORKSHIREMAN: A cup o' cold tea. FOURTH YORKSHIREMAN: Without milk or sugar. THIRD YORKSHIREMAN: Or tea. FIRST YORKSHIREMAN: In a cracked cup, an' all. FOURTH YORKSHIREMAN: Oh, we never had a cup. We used to have to drink out of a rolled up newspaper. SECOND YORKSHIREMAN: The best we could manage was to suck on a piece of damp cloth. THIRD YORKSHIREMAN: But you know, we were happy in those days, though we were poor. FIRST YORKSHIREMAN: Because we were poor. My old Dad used to say to me, If cm cant do it you would fill the post easily.

m.r.c wrote:
I've had a belly full of reading this claptrap from these doom merchants. Yes there have been visions which have not materialised that can be said for any city. Here are developments which are not figments of the imagination but are actually happening. It must make most of you more depressed than normal. One suggestion if you don't like it here, clear off, but I suspect that most of you don't have the guts, know how or even the inclination.

I have every right to be annoyed - I was wholeheartedly behind the project when I left a perfectly good job in london and returned to Bradford thinking that the council was marketing the 'birth of a a new city'. I've now been here 6 years - still no new city.

yes there have been visions that have not materialised -here are developments that are actually happening - so was westfield once

No I will not clear off - I'm in it for the long haul. Unlike many of our developers who aren't prepared to stick it out.

I've had a bellyful of you, council cronies

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m.r.c wrote:
I've had a belly full of reading this claptrap from these doom merchants. Yes there have been visions which have not materialised that can be said for any city. Here are developments which are not figments of the imagination but are actually happening. It must make most of you more depressed than normal. One suggestion if you don't like it here, clear off, but I suspect that most of you don't have the guts, know how or even the inclination.

And what will these developments offer the people of Bradford, not one of these developments is for retail units ,they are hotels,flats and offices,the populace are crying out for a decent shopping developments ,So unless your a window cleaner they wont offer you much either,and just for info i have guts,it takes guts to stay in Bradford...

Its a yes to all four of your points citymadness and no I am not a council insider. What I am though is a person who is passionate about my home city and try to support it where and whenever I can. I've moved away twice living in Boston (USA) and Malaga but returned. I could slag it off and rubbish everything that gets proposed with the best of em, but that does no one any good. Here we have projects to the value of £250 million and in these troubled times should be embraced, encouraged and welcomed.

Ignore m.r.c, everybody,he is obviously not a full shilling.

m.r.c wrote:
Its a yes to all four of your points citymadness and no I am not a council insider. What I am though is a person who is passionate about my home city and try to support it where and whenever I can. I've moved away twice living in Boston (USA) and Malaga but returned. I could slag it off and rubbish everything that gets proposed with the best of em, but that does no one any good. Here we have projects to the value of £250 million and in these troubled times should be embraced, encouraged and welcomed.

what made you go back to bradford m.r.c,
was it promotion in your job,if it was i take it macdonalds must have moved you up from making chips, are you on the burger section now !!!!!!

More hotels. flats and apartments etc. Sorry is the recession over? I thought we were in the middle of a deep monetary crisis. But there again went to Leeds shopping last Saturday with lots more people from Bradford and the place was buzzing. Got everything I needed that I couldn't find in Bradford. How much longer are we going to wait for SHOPS?

Now oddly enough, I've had a bit of a change of opinion: I think that potentially - and please note 'POTENTIALLY' - hotels could be a good idea. Bradford is ideally placed for easy access to Leeds, Manchester, the Dales, Hebden Bridge, Haworth - a multitude of places that are tourist magnets. So in this sense, lots of hotels aren't that daft an idea. HOWEVER until the city is a nicer place to be, it will hardly encourage visitors to stay here.. It actually upsets me when I see the ungodly mess that our city has been left in by a huge company that has cut the heart from our townscape and left a derelict building site in its place. Yes, Westfield, that's you.


So ostensibly I'm behind many of the developments that are planned for our city, but the Council have to do their bit, which means cleaning up the town and insisting that Westfield address the issue of severance that has made it so difficult and unpleasant to reach the beautiful area of Little Germany, which in turn has had a knock-on effect on Bradford's arts culture. The Playhouse is just one of the businesses suffering by being cut off from the centre by this abominable piece of non-planning, and Bradford as a city cannot afford to lose the cultural benefits of a resource such as this.

I love this city, but I'm ashamed of it right now. With love and effort and some backsides kicked, we CAN turn it around; it CAN be a gateway to the Dales and a beautiful and interesting place for people to come to. But until the Council shoulder their responsibilities and address the terrible mess they've presided over, people will continue to gripe and the air of negativity will continue to hang over our home town.

I really, really, cannot see why Bradford needs so many hotels.
Are all the existing ones full to capacity?

berealistic wrote:
I really, really, cannot see why Bradford needs so many hotels.
Are all the existing ones full to capacity?

Well there is a good trade not far from there.

Its interesting that we are all for free speech but when people suggest a dissenting opinion it is literally shouted down - the people are disparaged as stooges, spies, plants etc -- all very civilised!!!!!!!!!!

To the editor - may I suggest a new feature? A 12 month review of all new developments. On the 11th March 2010 you publish an article giving details about the progress of the above schemes.

The petition to Gordon Brown calling for an inquiry into conduct of Bradford Council is now up and running on the Number 10 website. To sign it go to:

http://petitions.num
ber10.gov.uk/Bradfor
dRegen/