Why not remember those killed on BOTH sides?

Yes, it's always one sided isn't it. According to muslims, the Holocaust never happened to Jews anyway, so how do we know this is really happening? Who can you really believe? Who really killed the muslims? Was it Israel or are they just victims of a Terrorist regime hell-bent on ridding the world of Jews (and other non-muslims) who kill themselves and their own in the pursuit of this. We have all heard on these forums that muslims (making claims that they) would all die for palestine, this I would take as - they would become suicide bombers - wouldn't they also kill their own if it gets them closer to paradise?

albion wrote:
Why not remember those killed on BOTH sides?

Well said! A war involves more than one side, but the focus is only ever on the side of the Palastinians.

According to The Office for the Coordination of Humanitarian Affairs for the occupied Palestinian territory (OCHoPT) which was established in late 2000 by the United Nations:

From 2005 - 2007 (inclusive), as a direct result of the conflict, there were 1290 Palestinian fatalities (222 were children) Israel had 86 fatalities in this time of whom 8 were children. Over the same period 6297 Palestinians were injured (including 864 children) while 1183 Israelis (including 14 children) were injured.

There appears to be something of an imbalance here...Do you really think that Israel want to draw attention to their repressive actions and disproportionate aggression on the Palestinian people?

ItchyBungle wrote:

albion wrote:
Why not remember those killed on BOTH sides?

Well said! A war involves more than one side, but the focus is only ever on the side of the Palastinians.

And actually ItchyBungle, you're wrong. A war traditionally should surely be between two armies. The Palestinians don't have one..

mrs walker wrote:
According to The Office for the Coordination of Humanitarian Affairs for the occupied Palestinian territory (OCHoPT) which was established in late 2000 by the United Nations:

From 2005 - 2007 (inclusive), as a direct result of the conflict, there were 1290 Palestinian fatalities (222 were children) Israel had 86 fatalities in this time of whom 8 were children. Over the same period 6297 Palestinians were injured (including 864 children) while 1183 Israelis (including 14 children) were injured.

There appears to be something of an imbalance here...Do you really think that Israel want to draw attention to their repressive actions and disproportionate aggression on the Palestinian people?

Someone has to win.

albion wrote:

mrs walker wrote: According to The Office for the Coordination of Humanitarian Affairs for the occupied Palestinian territory (OCHoPT) which was established in late 2000 by the United Nations: From 2005 - 2007 (inclusive), as a direct result of the conflict, there were 1290 Palestinian fatalities (222 were children) Israel had 86 fatalities in this time of whom 8 were children. Over the same period 6297 Palestinians were injured (including 864 children) while 1183 Israelis (including 14 children) were injured. There appears to be something of an imbalance here...Do you really think that Israel want to draw attention to their repressive actions and disproportionate aggression on the Palestinian people?

Someone has to win.

why? There's no trophy with their name on it at the end of it all.

mrs walker wrote:

albion wrote:

mrs walker wrote: According to The Office for the Coordination of Humanitarian Affairs for the occupied Palestinian territory (OCHoPT) which was established in late 2000 by the United Nations: From 2005 - 2007 (inclusive), as a direct result of the conflict, there were 1290 Palestinian fatalities (222 were children) Israel had 86 fatalities in this time of whom 8 were children. Over the same period 6297 Palestinians were injured (including 864 children) while 1183 Israelis (including 14 children) were injured. There appears to be something of an imbalance here...Do you really think that Israel want to draw attention to their repressive actions and disproportionate aggression on the Palestinian people?

Someone has to win.

why? There's no trophy with their name on it at the end of it all.

Yes there is, its called the survival cup, Hamas has often declared its intention to destroy Israel and claim the land. Never mind history or what anyones opinion is about right and wrong, its all about survival.

66% of Palestinians have said that they want to coexist peacefully with Israel. Perhaps if Israel behaved with more kindness towards the people it displaced, the other 34% would be more likely to accept its presence. The initial Balfour declaration in 1917 stated that "nothing shall be done which may prejudice the civil and religious rights of existing non-Jewish communities in Palestine". Sorry Albion, the Israelis have never kept to their side of the bargain as far as I can see. And while I feel sorry for what the Jews went through in the Second World War, giving them a chunk of someone else's country along with the right to settle there based purely on religion is a recipe for disaster - and one which I would have thought you of all people would have agreed with.

mrs walker wrote:
66% of Palestinians have said that they want to coexist peacefully with Israel. Perhaps if Israel behaved with more kindness towards the people it displaced, the other 34% would be more likely to accept its presence. The initial Balfour declaration in 1917 stated that "nothing shall be done which may prejudice the civil and religious rights of existing non-Jewish communities in Palestine". Sorry Albion, the Israelis have never kept to their side of the bargain as far as I can see. And while I feel sorry for what the Jews went through in the Second World War, giving them a chunk of someone else's country along with the right to settle there based purely on religion is a recipe for disaster - and one which I would have thought you of all people would have agreed with.

To be honest i dont agree or disagree (i dont much care), your post is slightly misleading (whats new?) i said Hamas not the majority of citizens. Bush and Blair never represented our interests, or if they did, they didnt ask us. But the fact is, Israel will continue to launch these periodic attacks and Hamas will continue to launch various projectiles.
Of the two i would prefer Israel to come out on top because Hamas is part of a much more dangerous Muslim brotherhood who dont have anyone elses best interests at heart but their own, and Palestine and Gaza are simply a platform for their ambitions.
If you think things are bad now, imagine the carnage should the Israelies lose.
I tend to think things will continue much as they are until global warming makes the whole area uninhabitable.
I would certainly agree the the formation of the state of Israel was not carried out in the most competent manner.