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‘I was told stop being a crusader’
5:56am Tuesday 29th April 2008
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A Bradford man attacked and threatened after his family converted from Islam to Christianity was told by police to "stop being a crusader", a report revealed today.
Nissar Hussein, 43, claims an officer made the comment after he reported a threat to burn down his house if he did not repent and return to Islam.
The claims are made in a new report by Christian Solidarity Worldwide (CSW) into the abuses suffered by apostates - those who convert from Islam to another religion.
West Yorkshire Police said they had worked with Mr Hussein to resolve the issues, including installing security equipment, providing advice and making arrests.
The No Place To Call Home report, by Ziya Meral, states apostates are "subject to gross and wide-ranging human rights abuses." Mr Meral interviewed 28 apostates, including Mr Hussein, who converted to Christianity with wife Qubra in 1996.
The report, launched today, describes how the Pakistani community in Bradford reacted to the family's conversion by shouting abuse and death threats, vandalising their house and car, attacking Mr Hussein and following his wife.
In October 2001, a young man threatened to burn down their house if Mr Hussein did not repent and return to Islam, the report claims.
Mr Hussein told CSW he reported this to police but was told such threats are rarely carried out and to "stop being a crusader and move".
A few days later, the couple and their five children, all aged under 10, were woken in the the night to find an unoccupied house next door on fire.
The attacks continued until July 2006, when they moved to another part of the city.
A police spokesman said: "Since August 18, 2001, we have investigated 11 crimes in which Mr Hussein was the complainant. Of those, five have been classed as hate crimes.
"We are satisfied we are doing everything that we can in respect of this matter."
Rashid Awan, President of the Pakistan Association of West Yorkshire, said: "I strongly condemn a community penalising a man because he has converted. If he wants to change religion, that's his choice. Islam is a religion of peace and tolerance."
Jim Dutt, the Bradford-based chairman of the Pakistan Asian Christian Association, said: "We have faced these problems in Pakistan for a while, but they are becoming more regular over here too."
Sher Azam, of Bradford Council for Mosques, said: "Islam teaches us respect, tolerance and understanding and we would urge all the people to live in peace together despite differences in race, religion or culture."
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albion, west riding says...
6:30am Tue 29 Apr 08
Having stated my opinion, i still have to accept that anyone has the right to follow any religion they choose to, and have the right not to have followers of other religions harrass them (nor indeed should they harrass others).
If these reports are correct, then the police response in all of this is disgraceful, but not unexpected.
albion, west riding says...
6:30am Tue 29 Apr 08
Having stated my opinion, i still have to accept that anyone has the right to follow any religion they choose to, and have the right not to have followers of other religions harrass them (nor indeed should they harrass others).
If these reports are correct, then the police response in all of this is disgraceful, but not unexpected.
albion, west riding says...
6:30am Tue 29 Apr 08
Having stated my opinion, i still have to accept that anyone has the right to follow any religion they choose to, and have the right not to have followers of other religions harrass them (nor indeed should they harrass others).
If these reports are correct, then the police response in all of this is disgraceful, but not unexpected.
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albion, west riding says...
5:10pm Tue 29 Apr 08
JT wrote:I agree, infact i even remarked on how good most of the comments were, i think those who removed them ought to supply a written explaination as to why, much the same as they seem to do sometimes in the Forum section.
Where have all the earlier comments gone? There were 13 when I checked at lunchtime, and all were perfectly legitimate opinions. Why are you censoring your readers T&A??
albion, west riding says...
5:10pm Tue 29 Apr 08
JT wrote:I agree, infact i even remarked on how good most of the comments were, i think those who removed them ought to supply a written explaination as to why, much the same as they seem to do sometimes in the Forum section.
Where have all the earlier comments gone? There were 13 when I checked at lunchtime, and all were perfectly legitimate opinions. Why are you censoring your readers T&A??
albion, west riding says...
5:10pm Tue 29 Apr 08
JT wrote:I agree, infact i even remarked on how good most of the comments were, i think those who removed them ought to supply a written explaination as to why, much the same as they seem to do sometimes in the Forum section.
Where have all the earlier comments gone? There were 13 when I checked at lunchtime, and all were perfectly legitimate opinions. Why are you censoring your readers T&A??
albion, west riding says...
5:10pm Tue 29 Apr 08
JT wrote:I agree, infact i even remarked on how good most of the comments were, i think those who removed them ought to supply a written explaination as to why, much the same as they seem to do sometimes in the Forum section.
Where have all the earlier comments gone? There were 13 when I checked at lunchtime, and all were perfectly legitimate opinions. Why are you censoring your readers T&A??
born n bred, Bradford says...
7:10pm Tue 29 Apr 08
albion wrote:you'll have to get used to that. The T&A are the last to allow free speech believe me
JT wrote: Where have all the earlier comments gone? There were 13 when I checked at lunchtime, and all were perfectly legitimate opinions. Why are you censoring your readers T&A??I agree, infact i even remarked on how good most of the comments were, i think those who removed them ought to supply a written explaination as to why, much the same as they seem to do sometimes in the Forum section.
born n bred, Bradford says...
7:10pm Tue 29 Apr 08
albion wrote:you'll have to get used to that. The T&A are the last to allow free speech believe me
JT wrote: Where have all the earlier comments gone? There were 13 when I checked at lunchtime, and all were perfectly legitimate opinions. Why are you censoring your readers T&A??I agree, infact i even remarked on how good most of the comments were, i think those who removed them ought to supply a written explaination as to why, much the same as they seem to do sometimes in the Forum section.
born n bred, Bradford says...
7:10pm Tue 29 Apr 08
albion wrote:you'll have to get used to that. The T&A are the last to allow free speech believe me
JT wrote: Where have all the earlier comments gone? There were 13 when I checked at lunchtime, and all were perfectly legitimate opinions. Why are you censoring your readers T&A??I agree, infact i even remarked on how good most of the comments were, i think those who removed them ought to supply a written explaination as to why, much the same as they seem to do sometimes in the Forum section.
born n bred, Bradford says...
7:10pm Tue 29 Apr 08
albion wrote:you'll have to get used to that. The T&A are the last to allow free speech believe me
JT wrote: Where have all the earlier comments gone? There were 13 when I checked at lunchtime, and all were perfectly legitimate opinions. Why are you censoring your readers T&A??I agree, infact i even remarked on how good most of the comments were, i think those who removed them ought to supply a written explaination as to why, much the same as they seem to do sometimes in the Forum section.
Darren, shipley says...
9:35pm Tue 29 Apr 08
born n bred wrote:maybe someone who was a bit 'senstive' asked for them to be removed.
albion wrote:you'll have to get used to that. The T&A are the last to allow free speech believe meJT wrote: Where have all the earlier comments gone? There were 13 when I checked at lunchtime, and all were perfectly legitimate opinions. Why are you censoring your readers T&A??I agree, infact i even remarked on how good most of the comments were, i think those who removed them ought to supply a written explaination as to why, much the same as they seem to do sometimes in the Forum section.
Darren, shipley says...
9:35pm Tue 29 Apr 08
born n bred wrote:maybe someone who was a bit 'senstive' asked for them to be removed.
albion wrote:you'll have to get used to that. The T&A are the last to allow free speech believe meJT wrote: Where have all the earlier comments gone? There were 13 when I checked at lunchtime, and all were perfectly legitimate opinions. Why are you censoring your readers T&A??I agree, infact i even remarked on how good most of the comments were, i think those who removed them ought to supply a written explaination as to why, much the same as they seem to do sometimes in the Forum section.
Darren, shipley says...
9:35pm Tue 29 Apr 08
born n bred wrote:maybe someone who was a bit 'senstive' asked for them to be removed.
albion wrote:you'll have to get used to that. The T&A are the last to allow free speech believe meJT wrote: Where have all the earlier comments gone? There were 13 when I checked at lunchtime, and all were perfectly legitimate opinions. Why are you censoring your readers T&A??I agree, infact i even remarked on how good most of the comments were, i think those who removed them ought to supply a written explaination as to why, much the same as they seem to do sometimes in the Forum section.
Darren, shipley says...
9:35pm Tue 29 Apr 08
born n bred wrote:maybe someone who was a bit 'senstive' asked for them to be removed.
albion wrote:you'll have to get used to that. The T&A are the last to allow free speech believe meJT wrote: Where have all the earlier comments gone? There were 13 when I checked at lunchtime, and all were perfectly legitimate opinions. Why are you censoring your readers T&A??I agree, infact i even remarked on how good most of the comments were, i think those who removed them ought to supply a written explaination as to why, much the same as they seem to do sometimes in the Forum section.
Sarah, Bradford says...
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jaysea, Bradford says...
9:32am Wed 30 Apr 08
...his family converted from Islam to Christianity
Children do not convert
jaysea, Bradford says...
9:32am Wed 30 Apr 08
...his family converted from Islam to Christianity
Children do not convert
jaysea, Bradford says...
9:32am Wed 30 Apr 08
...his family converted from Islam to Christianity
Children do not convert
jaysea, Bradford says...
9:32am Wed 30 Apr 08
...his family converted from Islam to Christianity
Children do not convert
The_Realist, Keighley says...
10:04am Wed 30 Apr 08
Also, its probably a stunt to distance himself from muslims as we seem to be enemy no1 at the moment!
We're better off without him, over 3000 people revert EVERYDAY in the USA alone, so 1 idiot leaving makes no difference!
Good luck with being a Kuffar!
Asthagfirullah
The_Realist, Keighley says...
10:04am Wed 30 Apr 08
Also, its probably a stunt to distance himself from muslims as we seem to be enemy no1 at the moment!
We're better off without him, over 3000 people revert EVERYDAY in the USA alone, so 1 idiot leaving makes no difference!
Good luck with being a Kuffar!
Asthagfirullah
The_Realist, Keighley says...
10:04am Wed 30 Apr 08
Also, its probably a stunt to distance himself from muslims as we seem to be enemy no1 at the moment!
We're better off without him, over 3000 people revert EVERYDAY in the USA alone, so 1 idiot leaving makes no difference!
Good luck with being a Kuffar!
Asthagfirullah
The_Realist, Keighley says...
10:04am Wed 30 Apr 08
Also, its probably a stunt to distance himself from muslims as we seem to be enemy no1 at the moment!
We're better off without him, over 3000 people revert EVERYDAY in the USA alone, so 1 idiot leaving makes no difference!
Good luck with being a Kuffar!
Asthagfirullah
albion, west riding says...
10:39am Wed 30 Apr 08
The_Realist wrote:If you read the story he is not alone, there are dozens of websites dedicated to those who have denied their faith (any faith), try Apostates of islam on Google.
Heard about many a Revert, Never a Convert. The faith of this guy must have been very low to leave the religion knowing the truth! Also, its probably a stunt to distance himself from muslims as we seem to be enemy no1 at the moment! We're better off without him, over 3000 people revert EVERYDAY in the USA alone, so 1 idiot leaving makes no difference! Good luck with being a Kuffar! Asthagfirullah
albion, west riding says...
10:39am Wed 30 Apr 08
The_Realist wrote:If you read the story he is not alone, there are dozens of websites dedicated to those who have denied their faith (any faith), try Apostates of islam on Google.
Heard about many a Revert, Never a Convert. The faith of this guy must have been very low to leave the religion knowing the truth! Also, its probably a stunt to distance himself from muslims as we seem to be enemy no1 at the moment! We're better off without him, over 3000 people revert EVERYDAY in the USA alone, so 1 idiot leaving makes no difference! Good luck with being a Kuffar! Asthagfirullah
albion, west riding says...
10:39am Wed 30 Apr 08
The_Realist wrote:If you read the story he is not alone, there are dozens of websites dedicated to those who have denied their faith (any faith), try Apostates of islam on Google.
Heard about many a Revert, Never a Convert. The faith of this guy must have been very low to leave the religion knowing the truth! Also, its probably a stunt to distance himself from muslims as we seem to be enemy no1 at the moment! We're better off without him, over 3000 people revert EVERYDAY in the USA alone, so 1 idiot leaving makes no difference! Good luck with being a Kuffar! Asthagfirullah
albion, west riding says...
10:39am Wed 30 Apr 08
The_Realist wrote:If you read the story he is not alone, there are dozens of websites dedicated to those who have denied their faith (any faith), try Apostates of islam on Google.
Heard about many a Revert, Never a Convert. The faith of this guy must have been very low to leave the religion knowing the truth! Also, its probably a stunt to distance himself from muslims as we seem to be enemy no1 at the moment! We're better off without him, over 3000 people revert EVERYDAY in the USA alone, so 1 idiot leaving makes no difference! Good luck with being a Kuffar! Asthagfirullah
The_Realist, Keighley says...
11:08am Wed 30 Apr 08
There may be a dozen websites for apostates, but there are millions for Reverts!
I have no problem with this guy switching religiong, to be a muslim and then leave is a lot worse than never believing!
I really hope his daughters grow up and embrace the religion once again and turn against their christian father!
The_Realist, Keighley says...
11:08am Wed 30 Apr 08
There may be a dozen websites for apostates, but there are millions for Reverts!
I have no problem with this guy switching religiong, to be a muslim and then leave is a lot worse than never believing!
I really hope his daughters grow up and embrace the religion once again and turn against their christian father!
The_Realist, Keighley says...
11:08am Wed 30 Apr 08
There may be a dozen websites for apostates, but there are millions for Reverts!
I have no problem with this guy switching religiong, to be a muslim and then leave is a lot worse than never believing!
I really hope his daughters grow up and embrace the religion once again and turn against their christian father!
The_Realist, Keighley says...
11:08am Wed 30 Apr 08
There may be a dozen websites for apostates, but there are millions for Reverts!
I have no problem with this guy switching religiong, to be a muslim and then leave is a lot worse than never believing!
I really hope his daughters grow up and embrace the religion once again and turn against their christian father!
tariq_m, Bradford says...
11:16am Wed 30 Apr 08
The_Realist wrote:you really do have a lot of hate in you don't you...how can you have a username of 'The_Realist' why you believe in a 'sky god', of which there is no proof whats so ever.
ALBION:
There may be a dozen websites for apostates, but there are millions for Reverts!
I have no problem with this guy switching religiong, to be a muslim and then leave is a lot worse than never believing!
I really hope his daughters grow up and embrace the religion once again and turn against their christian father!
You obviously do have a problem with this guy converting..even though you said you don't, and its people like you that this article is all about.
tariq_m, Bradford says...
11:16am Wed 30 Apr 08
The_Realist wrote:you really do have a lot of hate in you don't you...how can you have a username of 'The_Realist' why you believe in a 'sky god', of which there is no proof whats so ever.
ALBION:
There may be a dozen websites for apostates, but there are millions for Reverts!
I have no problem with this guy switching religiong, to be a muslim and then leave is a lot worse than never believing!
I really hope his daughters grow up and embrace the religion once again and turn against their christian father!
You obviously do have a problem with this guy converting..even though you said you don't, and its people like you that this article is all about.
tariq_m, Bradford says...
11:16am Wed 30 Apr 08
The_Realist wrote:you really do have a lot of hate in you don't you...how can you have a username of 'The_Realist' why you believe in a 'sky god', of which there is no proof whats so ever.
ALBION:
There may be a dozen websites for apostates, but there are millions for Reverts!
I have no problem with this guy switching religiong, to be a muslim and then leave is a lot worse than never believing!
I really hope his daughters grow up and embrace the religion once again and turn against their christian father!
You obviously do have a problem with this guy converting..even though you said you don't, and its people like you that this article is all about.
tariq_m, Bradford says...
11:16am Wed 30 Apr 08
The_Realist wrote:you really do have a lot of hate in you don't you...how can you have a username of 'The_Realist' why you believe in a 'sky god', of which there is no proof whats so ever.
ALBION:
There may be a dozen websites for apostates, but there are millions for Reverts!
I have no problem with this guy switching religiong, to be a muslim and then leave is a lot worse than never believing!
I really hope his daughters grow up and embrace the religion once again and turn against their christian father!
You obviously do have a problem with this guy converting..even though you said you don't, and its people like you that this article is all about.
albion, west riding says...
12:24pm Wed 30 Apr 08
albion, west riding says...
12:24pm Wed 30 Apr 08
albion, west riding says...
12:24pm Wed 30 Apr 08
albion, west riding says...
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sigil, terminus says...
1:03pm Wed 30 Apr 08
The_Realist wrote:If they should revert to Islam, that wouldnt be turning against their christian father, because as a christian he would have to forgive them. Or did you have something more sinister in mind?
ALBION:
There may be a dozen websites for apostates, but there are millions for Reverts!
I have no problem with this guy switching religiong, to be a muslim and then leave is a lot worse than never believing!
I really hope his daughters grow up and embrace the religion once again and turn against their christian father!
This isnt a contest you know.
sigil, terminus says...
1:03pm Wed 30 Apr 08
The_Realist wrote:If they should revert to Islam, that wouldnt be turning against their christian father, because as a christian he would have to forgive them. Or did you have something more sinister in mind?
ALBION:
There may be a dozen websites for apostates, but there are millions for Reverts!
I have no problem with this guy switching religiong, to be a muslim and then leave is a lot worse than never believing!
I really hope his daughters grow up and embrace the religion once again and turn against their christian father!
This isnt a contest you know.
sigil, terminus says...
1:03pm Wed 30 Apr 08
The_Realist wrote:If they should revert to Islam, that wouldnt be turning against their christian father, because as a christian he would have to forgive them. Or did you have something more sinister in mind?
ALBION:
There may be a dozen websites for apostates, but there are millions for Reverts!
I have no problem with this guy switching religiong, to be a muslim and then leave is a lot worse than never believing!
I really hope his daughters grow up and embrace the religion once again and turn against their christian father!
This isnt a contest you know.
sigil, terminus says...
1:03pm Wed 30 Apr 08
The_Realist wrote:If they should revert to Islam, that wouldnt be turning against their christian father, because as a christian he would have to forgive them. Or did you have something more sinister in mind?
ALBION:
There may be a dozen websites for apostates, but there are millions for Reverts!
I have no problem with this guy switching religiong, to be a muslim and then leave is a lot worse than never believing!
I really hope his daughters grow up and embrace the religion once again and turn against their christian father!
This isnt a contest you know.
albion, west riding says...
2:32pm Wed 30 Apr 08
The_Realist wrote:If you type in "islam reverts" there are 173,000 sites.
ALBION: There may be a dozen websites for apostates, but there are millions for Reverts! I have no problem with this guy switching religiong, to be a muslim and then leave is a lot worse than never believing! I really hope his daughters grow up and embrace the religion once again and turn against their christian father!
If you type in "islam apostates" there are 551,000 sites.
But as has already been pointed out, this isnt a contest.
albion, west riding says...
2:32pm Wed 30 Apr 08
The_Realist wrote:If you type in "islam reverts" there are 173,000 sites.
ALBION: There may be a dozen websites for apostates, but there are millions for Reverts! I have no problem with this guy switching religiong, to be a muslim and then leave is a lot worse than never believing! I really hope his daughters grow up and embrace the religion once again and turn against their christian father!
If you type in "islam apostates" there are 551,000 sites.
But as has already been pointed out, this isnt a contest.
albion, west riding says...
2:32pm Wed 30 Apr 08
The_Realist wrote:If you type in "islam reverts" there are 173,000 sites.
ALBION: There may be a dozen websites for apostates, but there are millions for Reverts! I have no problem with this guy switching religiong, to be a muslim and then leave is a lot worse than never believing! I really hope his daughters grow up and embrace the religion once again and turn against their christian father!
If you type in "islam apostates" there are 551,000 sites.
But as has already been pointed out, this isnt a contest.
albion, west riding says...
2:32pm Wed 30 Apr 08
The_Realist wrote:If you type in "islam reverts" there are 173,000 sites.
ALBION: There may be a dozen websites for apostates, but there are millions for Reverts! I have no problem with this guy switching religiong, to be a muslim and then leave is a lot worse than never believing! I really hope his daughters grow up and embrace the religion once again and turn against their christian father!
If you type in "islam apostates" there are 551,000 sites.
But as has already been pointed out, this isnt a contest.
The_Realist, Keighley says...
2:33pm Wed 30 Apr 08
Thats the Question!
The_Realist, Keighley says...
2:33pm Wed 30 Apr 08
Thats the Question!
The_Realist, Keighley says...
2:33pm Wed 30 Apr 08
Thats the Question!
The_Realist, Keighley says...
2:33pm Wed 30 Apr 08
Thats the Question!
The_Realist, Keighley says...
2:35pm Wed 30 Apr 08
Your one of the few people always on this site waiting for stories about muslims just to slate, i think your whole life is based around a "contest"!
Dont vote BNP by any chance do ya???
The_Realist, Keighley says...
2:35pm Wed 30 Apr 08
Your one of the few people always on this site waiting for stories about muslims just to slate, i think your whole life is based around a "contest"!
Dont vote BNP by any chance do ya???
The_Realist, Keighley says...
2:35pm Wed 30 Apr 08
Your one of the few people always on this site waiting for stories about muslims just to slate, i think your whole life is based around a "contest"!
Dont vote BNP by any chance do ya???
The_Realist, Keighley says...
2:35pm Wed 30 Apr 08
Your one of the few people always on this site waiting for stories about muslims just to slate, i think your whole life is based around a "contest"!
Dont vote BNP by any chance do ya???
The_Realist, Keighley says...
2:42pm Wed 30 Apr 08
Do u even know what the "REALIST" is?
And judging from your name, you also used to be a muslim, and to deny there is no god is just proposterous, There are many many signs and proof, read into it before making your fabricated claims about god being non-existent!
Everyone has their right to believe what they like, but those who dont believe are deluded, Why are people born and Why do people die??
Why are there natural disasters and why are we even here???
Come on people. . .
WAKE UP AND SMELL THE COFFEE! ! !
The_Realist, Keighley says...
2:42pm Wed 30 Apr 08
Do u even know what the "REALIST" is?
And judging from your name, you also used to be a muslim, and to deny there is no god is just proposterous, There are many many signs and proof, read into it before making your fabricated claims about god being non-existent!
Everyone has their right to believe what they like, but those who dont believe are deluded, Why are people born and Why do people die??
Why are there natural disasters and why are we even here???
Come on people. . .
WAKE UP AND SMELL THE COFFEE! ! !
The_Realist, Keighley says...
2:42pm Wed 30 Apr 08
Do u even know what the "REALIST" is?
And judging from your name, you also used to be a muslim, and to deny there is no god is just proposterous, There are many many signs and proof, read into it before making your fabricated claims about god being non-existent!
Everyone has their right to believe what they like, but those who dont believe are deluded, Why are people born and Why do people die??
Why are there natural disasters and why are we even here???
Come on people. . .
WAKE UP AND SMELL THE COFFEE! ! !
The_Realist, Keighley says...
2:42pm Wed 30 Apr 08
Do u even know what the "REALIST" is?
And judging from your name, you also used to be a muslim, and to deny there is no god is just proposterous, There are many many signs and proof, read into it before making your fabricated claims about god being non-existent!
Everyone has their right to believe what they like, but those who dont believe are deluded, Why are people born and Why do people die??
Why are there natural disasters and why are we even here???
Come on people. . .
WAKE UP AND SMELL THE COFFEE! ! !
albion, west riding says...
2:43pm Wed 30 Apr 08
The_Realist wrote:Its a secret ballot, and they dont usually stand in my area.
Albion: Your one of the few people always on this site waiting for stories about muslims just to slate, i think your whole life is based around a "contest"! Dont vote BNP by any chance do ya???
If you are aware of my habits on this site you will be fully aware that i comment on a great deal more subjects than this one, however, you can read the opening post on this thread to guage my opinion of this particular story.
albion, west riding says...
2:43pm Wed 30 Apr 08
The_Realist wrote:Its a secret ballot, and they dont usually stand in my area.
Albion: Your one of the few people always on this site waiting for stories about muslims just to slate, i think your whole life is based around a "contest"! Dont vote BNP by any chance do ya???
If you are aware of my habits on this site you will be fully aware that i comment on a great deal more subjects than this one, however, you can read the opening post on this thread to guage my opinion of this particular story.
albion, west riding says...
2:43pm Wed 30 Apr 08
The_Realist wrote:Its a secret ballot, and they dont usually stand in my area.
Albion: Your one of the few people always on this site waiting for stories about muslims just to slate, i think your whole life is based around a "contest"! Dont vote BNP by any chance do ya???
If you are aware of my habits on this site you will be fully aware that i comment on a great deal more subjects than this one, however, you can read the opening post on this thread to guage my opinion of this particular story.
albion, west riding says...
2:43pm Wed 30 Apr 08
The_Realist wrote:Its a secret ballot, and they dont usually stand in my area.
Albion: Your one of the few people always on this site waiting for stories about muslims just to slate, i think your whole life is based around a "contest"! Dont vote BNP by any chance do ya???
If you are aware of my habits on this site you will be fully aware that i comment on a great deal more subjects than this one, however, you can read the opening post on this thread to guage my opinion of this particular story.
The_Realist, Keighley says...
3:09pm Wed 30 Apr 08
Apologies, the sun must be getting to my head!
i didnt realise the 1st comment was from you, also, the reason for my remark about your comments was because your name appears on almost every story! lol.
Sorry again fella!
The_Realist, Keighley says...
3:09pm Wed 30 Apr 08
Apologies, the sun must be getting to my head!
i didnt realise the 1st comment was from you, also, the reason for my remark about your comments was because your name appears on almost every story! lol.
Sorry again fella!
The_Realist, Keighley says...
3:09pm Wed 30 Apr 08
Apologies, the sun must be getting to my head!
i didnt realise the 1st comment was from you, also, the reason for my remark about your comments was because your name appears on almost every story! lol.
Sorry again fella!
The_Realist, Keighley says...
3:09pm Wed 30 Apr 08
Apologies, the sun must be getting to my head!
i didnt realise the 1st comment was from you, also, the reason for my remark about your comments was because your name appears on almost every story! lol.
Sorry again fella!
peter, oxenhope says...
4:33pm Wed 30 Apr 08
peter, oxenhope says...
4:33pm Wed 30 Apr 08
peter, oxenhope says...
4:33pm Wed 30 Apr 08
peter, oxenhope says...
4:33pm Wed 30 Apr 08
tariq_m, Bradford says...
4:44pm Wed 30 Apr 08
The_Realist wrote:"Everyone has their right to believe what they like, but those who dont believe are deluded, Why are people born and Why do people die??"
TARIQ_M:
Do u even know what the "REALIST" is?
And judging from your name, you also used to be a muslim, and to deny there is no god is just proposterous, There are many many signs and proof, read into it before making your fabricated claims about god being non-existent!
Everyone has their right to believe what they like, but those who dont believe are deluded, Why are people born and Why do people die??
Why are there natural disasters and why are we even here???
Come on people. . .
WAKE UP AND SMELL THE COFFEE! ! !
talk sense fella..we are born and die for exactly the same reason as animals, the survival of the gene...and to say people who don't believe are deluded...wot? The words...Kettle & calling come to mind.
"Why are there natural disasters and why are we even here???"
Did you go to school? What are you talking about? Earthquakes for
example are caused by the plates on the earths surface moving against each other due the the liquid iron interior of our planet.
"There are many many signs and proof,"
give me one..and show me the proof
"And judging from your name, you also used to be a muslim,"
thats a bit of a sweeping generalisation isn't it? I have, nor have my parents ever been muslim.
tariq_m, Bradford says...
4:44pm Wed 30 Apr 08
The_Realist wrote:"Everyone has their right to believe what they like, but those who dont believe are deluded, Why are people born and Why do people die??"
TARIQ_M:
Do u even know what the "REALIST" is?
And judging from your name, you also used to be a muslim, and to deny there is no god is just proposterous, There are many many signs and proof, read into it before making your fabricated claims about god being non-existent!
Everyone has their right to believe what they like, but those who dont believe are deluded, Why are people born and Why do people die??
Why are there natural disasters and why are we even here???
Come on people. . .
WAKE UP AND SMELL THE COFFEE! ! !
talk sense fella..we are born and die for exactly the same reason as animals, the survival of the gene...and to say people who don't believe are deluded...wot? The words...Kettle & calling come to mind.
"Why are there natural disasters and why are we even here???"
Did you go to school? What are you talking about? Earthquakes for
example are caused by the plates on the earths surface moving against each other due the the liquid iron interior of our planet.
"There are many many signs and proof,"
give me one..and show me the proof
"And judging from your name, you also used to be a muslim,"
thats a bit of a sweeping generalisation isn't it? I have, nor have my parents ever been muslim.
tariq_m, Bradford says...
4:44pm Wed 30 Apr 08
The_Realist wrote:"Everyone has their right to believe what they like, but those who dont believe are deluded, Why are people born and Why do people die??"
TARIQ_M:
Do u even know what the "REALIST" is?
And judging from your name, you also used to be a muslim, and to deny there is no god is just proposterous, There are many many signs and proof, read into it before making your fabricated claims about god being non-existent!
Everyone has their right to believe what they like, but those who dont believe are deluded, Why are people born and Why do people die??
Why are there natural disasters and why are we even here???
Come on people. . .
WAKE UP AND SMELL THE COFFEE! ! !
talk sense fella..we are born and die for exactly the same reason as animals, the survival of the gene...and to say people who don't believe are deluded...wot? The words...Kettle & calling come to mind.
"Why are there natural disasters and why are we even here???"
Did you go to school? What are you talking about? Earthquakes for
example are caused by the plates on the earths surface moving against each other due the the liquid iron interior of our planet.
"There are many many signs and proof,"
give me one..and show me the proof
"And judging from your name, you also used to be a muslim,"
thats a bit of a sweeping generalisation isn't it? I have, nor have my parents ever been muslim.
tariq_m, Bradford says...
4:44pm Wed 30 Apr 08
The_Realist wrote:"Everyone has their right to believe what they like, but those who dont believe are deluded, Why are people born and Why do people die??"
TARIQ_M:
Do u even know what the "REALIST" is?
And judging from your name, you also used to be a muslim, and to deny there is no god is just proposterous, There are many many signs and proof, read into it before making your fabricated claims about god being non-existent!
Everyone has their right to believe what they like, but those who dont believe are deluded, Why are people born and Why do people die??
Why are there natural disasters and why are we even here???
Come on people. . .
WAKE UP AND SMELL THE COFFEE! ! !
talk sense fella..we are born and die for exactly the same reason as animals, the survival of the gene...and to say people who don't believe are deluded...wot? The words...Kettle & calling come to mind.
"Why are there natural disasters and why are we even here???"
Did you go to school? What are you talking about? Earthquakes for
example are caused by the plates on the earths surface moving against each other due the the liquid iron interior of our planet.
"There are many many signs and proof,"
give me one..and show me the proof
"And judging from your name, you also used to be a muslim,"
thats a bit of a sweeping generalisation isn't it? I have, nor have my parents ever been muslim.
The_Realist, Keighley says...
5:12pm Wed 30 Apr 08
You have a muslim name Tariq brother!
Maybe your just another one that decided islam was 2 strict to comply with so you would just pack it in, or maybe your one of those "if u cant beat em, join em kind of guys"
Either way, good luck, your gonna need it!!
The_Realist, Keighley says...
5:12pm Wed 30 Apr 08
You have a muslim name Tariq brother!
Maybe your just another one that decided islam was 2 strict to comply with so you would just pack it in, or maybe your one of those "if u cant beat em, join em kind of guys"
Either way, good luck, your gonna need it!!
The_Realist, Keighley says...
5:12pm Wed 30 Apr 08
You have a muslim name Tariq brother!
Maybe your just another one that decided islam was 2 strict to comply with so you would just pack it in, or maybe your one of those "if u cant beat em, join em kind of guys"
Either way, good luck, your gonna need it!!
The_Realist, Keighley says...
5:12pm Wed 30 Apr 08
You have a muslim name Tariq brother!
Maybe your just another one that decided islam was 2 strict to comply with so you would just pack it in, or maybe your one of those "if u cant beat em, join em kind of guys"
Either way, good luck, your gonna need it!!
The_Realist, Keighley says...
5:14pm Wed 30 Apr 08
"thats a bit of a sweeping generalisation isn't it? I have, nor have my parents ever been muslim"
i think the way to say that would be " Neither me nor my parents have ever been muslim". . . Come on dude, did u go to school??
The_Realist, Keighley says...
5:14pm Wed 30 Apr 08
"thats a bit of a sweeping generalisation isn't it? I have, nor have my parents ever been muslim"
i think the way to say that would be " Neither me nor my parents have ever been muslim". . . Come on dude, did u go to school??
The_Realist, Keighley says...
5:14pm Wed 30 Apr 08
"thats a bit of a sweeping generalisation isn't it? I have, nor have my parents ever been muslim"
i think the way to say that would be " Neither me nor my parents have ever been muslim". . . Come on dude, did u go to school??
The_Realist, Keighley says...
5:14pm Wed 30 Apr 08
"thats a bit of a sweeping generalisation isn't it? I have, nor have my parents ever been muslim"
i think the way to say that would be " Neither me nor my parents have ever been muslim". . . Come on dude, did u go to school??
sigil, terminus says...
5:42pm Wed 30 Apr 08
sigil, terminus says...
5:42pm Wed 30 Apr 08
sigil, terminus says...
5:42pm Wed 30 Apr 08
sigil, terminus says...
5:42pm Wed 30 Apr 08
mrs walker, round here says...
8:10pm Wed 30 Apr 08
Strange when, as far as Judaeism, Christianity and Islam are concerned, they all believe in the same God.
Poor God. I bet it tears him apart.
mrs walker, round here says...
8:10pm Wed 30 Apr 08
Strange when, as far as Judaeism, Christianity and Islam are concerned, they all believe in the same God.
Poor God. I bet it tears him apart.
mrs walker, round here says...
8:10pm Wed 30 Apr 08
Strange when, as far as Judaeism, Christianity and Islam are concerned, they all believe in the same God.
Poor God. I bet it tears him apart.
mrs walker, round here says...
8:10pm Wed 30 Apr 08
Strange when, as far as Judaeism, Christianity and Islam are concerned, they all believe in the same God.
Poor God. I bet it tears him apart.
tariq_m, Bradford says...
9:27am Thu 1 May 08
The_Realist wrote:"Why are there millions of people who believe in god?"
Its cool, your allowed to think what you want, but if it is so untrue and just made up, Y are there millions and millions of people that believe in god??
You have a muslim name Tariq brother!
Maybe your just another one that decided islam was 2 strict to comply with so you would just pack it in, or maybe your one of those "if u cant beat em, join em kind of guys"
Either way, good luck, your gonna need it!!
..why are there millions of children that believe in father christmas?
Have you ever read "The book of Dave" by Will Self, check it out my friend.
tariq_m, Bradford says...
9:27am Thu 1 May 08
The_Realist wrote:"Why are there millions of people who believe in god?"
Its cool, your allowed to think what you want, but if it is so untrue and just made up, Y are there millions and millions of people that believe in god??
You have a muslim name Tariq brother!
Maybe your just another one that decided islam was 2 strict to comply with so you would just pack it in, or maybe your one of those "if u cant beat em, join em kind of guys"
Either way, good luck, your gonna need it!!
..why are there millions of children that believe in father christmas?
Have you ever read "The book of Dave" by Will Self, check it out my friend.
tariq_m, Bradford says...
9:27am Thu 1 May 08
The_Realist wrote:"Why are there millions of people who believe in god?"
Its cool, your allowed to think what you want, but if it is so untrue and just made up, Y are there millions and millions of people that believe in god??
You have a muslim name Tariq brother!
Maybe your just another one that decided islam was 2 strict to comply with so you would just pack it in, or maybe your one of those "if u cant beat em, join em kind of guys"
Either way, good luck, your gonna need it!!
..why are there millions of children that believe in father christmas?
Have you ever read "The book of Dave" by Will Self, check it out my friend.
tariq_m, Bradford says...
9:27am Thu 1 May 08
The_Realist wrote:"Why are there millions of people who believe in god?"
Its cool, your allowed to think what you want, but if it is so untrue and just made up, Y are there millions and millions of people that believe in god??
You have a muslim name Tariq brother!
Maybe your just another one that decided islam was 2 strict to comply with so you would just pack it in, or maybe your one of those "if u cant beat em, join em kind of guys"
Either way, good luck, your gonna need it!!
..why are there millions of children that believe in father christmas?
Have you ever read "The book of Dave" by Will Self, check it out my friend.
gaz4, east bowling says...
10:25am Thu 1 May 08
The_Realist wrote:enemy number one?....... treat as number one more like.
Heard about many a Revert, Never a Convert. The faith of this guy must have been very low to leave the religion knowing the truth! Also, its probably a stunt to distance himself from muslims as we seem to be enemy no1 at the moment! We're better off without him, over 3000 people revert EVERYDAY in the USA alone, so 1 idiot leaving makes no difference! Good luck with being a Kuffar! Asthagfirullah
'Good luck with being a Kuffar!
Asthagfirullah'
Explain this comment as we are on an english website an this aint english to me and haven got a clue wat ya talkin about.
you state
'We're better off without him'
better off? why? thought religion was beliefs not an army of ppl?
You matey have a seriously deluded head! as for your username just shows how much you lie!!!
gaz4, east bowling says...
10:25am Thu 1 May 08
The_Realist wrote:enemy number one?....... treat as number one more like.
Heard about many a Revert, Never a Convert. The faith of this guy must have been very low to leave the religion knowing the truth! Also, its probably a stunt to distance himself from muslims as we seem to be enemy no1 at the moment! We're better off without him, over 3000 people revert EVERYDAY in the USA alone, so 1 idiot leaving makes no difference! Good luck with being a Kuffar! Asthagfirullah
'Good luck with being a Kuffar!
Asthagfirullah'
Explain this comment as we are on an english website an this aint english to me and haven got a clue wat ya talkin about.
you state
'We're better off without him'
better off? why? thought religion was beliefs not an army of ppl?
You matey have a seriously deluded head! as for your username just shows how much you lie!!!
gaz4, east bowling says...
10:25am Thu 1 May 08
The_Realist wrote:enemy number one?....... treat as number one more like.
Heard about many a Revert, Never a Convert. The faith of this guy must have been very low to leave the religion knowing the truth! Also, its probably a stunt to distance himself from muslims as we seem to be enemy no1 at the moment! We're better off without him, over 3000 people revert EVERYDAY in the USA alone, so 1 idiot leaving makes no difference! Good luck with being a Kuffar! Asthagfirullah
'Good luck with being a Kuffar!
Asthagfirullah'
Explain this comment as we are on an english website an this aint english to me and haven got a clue wat ya talkin about.
you state
'We're better off without him'
better off? why? thought religion was beliefs not an army of ppl?
You matey have a seriously deluded head! as for your username just shows how much you lie!!!
gaz4, east bowling says...
10:25am Thu 1 May 08
The_Realist wrote:enemy number one?....... treat as number one more like.
Heard about many a Revert, Never a Convert. The faith of this guy must have been very low to leave the religion knowing the truth! Also, its probably a stunt to distance himself from muslims as we seem to be enemy no1 at the moment! We're better off without him, over 3000 people revert EVERYDAY in the USA alone, so 1 idiot leaving makes no difference! Good luck with being a Kuffar! Asthagfirullah
'Good luck with being a Kuffar!
Asthagfirullah'
Explain this comment as we are on an english website an this aint english to me and haven got a clue wat ya talkin about.
you state
'We're better off without him'
better off? why? thought religion was beliefs not an army of ppl?
You matey have a seriously deluded head! as for your username just shows how much you lie!!!
The_Realist, Keighley says...
10:56am Thu 1 May 08
You must be 2 braincells short of being an idiot if u think muslims are being treated as number 1 around the world, have u not heard they invaded Iraq And Afghanistan and killed many innocent civilians?
Have u not opened the newspaper and seen a nagative article about muslims everyday?
And before you start to tell me we bring it all on ourselves, think back to before 9/11, there was never any talk about muslims, we all lived in harmony for 1000's of years until 1 or 2 men decided we were a threat to world peace and got idiots like you 2 listen, sparking a massive baseless attack on muslims of the world!
As for the comments you dont understand, they were not intended for you, but Nissar the Convert, so you dont really need 2 know do ya?
"Better off without him", i meant the brotherhood is better off without a faithless brother!
and im not your "matey", im a muslim remember, you hate us!!!!!
As for being deluded, it would appear your a reader of the sun newspaper, so i wont even bother!
Wasalaam alaikum!
The_Realist, Keighley says...
10:56am Thu 1 May 08
You must be 2 braincells short of being an idiot if u think muslims are being treated as number 1 around the world, have u not heard they invaded Iraq And Afghanistan and killed many innocent civilians?
Have u not opened the newspaper and seen a nagative article about muslims everyday?
And before you start to tell me we bring it all on ourselves, think back to before 9/11, there was never any talk about muslims, we all lived in harmony for 1000's of years until 1 or 2 men decided we were a threat to world peace and got idiots like you 2 listen, sparking a massive baseless attack on muslims of the world!
As for the comments you dont understand, they were not intended for you, but Nissar the Convert, so you dont really need 2 know do ya?
"Better off without him", i meant the brotherhood is better off without a faithless brother!
and im not your "matey", im a muslim remember, you hate us!!!!!
As for being deluded, it would appear your a reader of the sun newspaper, so i wont even bother!
Wasalaam alaikum!
The_Realist, Keighley says...
10:56am Thu 1 May 08
You must be 2 braincells short of being an idiot if u think muslims are being treated as number 1 around the world, have u not heard they invaded Iraq And Afghanistan and killed many innocent civilians?
Have u not opened the newspaper and seen a nagative article about muslims everyday?
And before you start to tell me we bring it all on ourselves, think back to before 9/11, there was never any talk about muslims, we all lived in harmony for 1000's of years until 1 or 2 men decided we were a threat to world peace and got idiots like you 2 listen, sparking a massive baseless attack on muslims of the world!
As for the comments you dont understand, they were not intended for you, but Nissar the Convert, so you dont really need 2 know do ya?
"Better off without him", i meant the brotherhood is better off without a faithless brother!
and im not your "matey", im a muslim remember, you hate us!!!!!
As for being deluded, it would appear your a reader of the sun newspaper, so i wont even bother!
Wasalaam alaikum!
The_Realist, Keighley says...
10:56am Thu 1 May 08
You must be 2 braincells short of being an idiot if u think muslims are being treated as number 1 around the world, have u not heard they invaded Iraq And Afghanistan and killed many innocent civilians?
Have u not opened the newspaper and seen a nagative article about muslims everyday?
And before you start to tell me we bring it all on ourselves, think back to before 9/11, there was never any talk about muslims, we all lived in harmony for 1000's of years until 1 or 2 men decided we were a threat to world peace and got idiots like you 2 listen, sparking a massive baseless attack on muslims of the world!
As for the comments you dont understand, they were not intended for you, but Nissar the Convert, so you dont really need 2 know do ya?
"Better off without him", i meant the brotherhood is better off without a faithless brother!
and im not your "matey", im a muslim remember, you hate us!!!!!
As for being deluded, it would appear your a reader of the sun newspaper, so i wont even bother!
Wasalaam alaikum!
sigil, terminus says...
11:37am Thu 1 May 08
Why bring Iraq and Afghanistan into this?
People in those countries have been committing genocide for centuries, or is it more acceptable when carried out by fellow believers?
Once again, dont waste the thread on tit for tat throwaway insults.
sigil, terminus says...
11:37am Thu 1 May 08
Why bring Iraq and Afghanistan into this?
People in those countries have been committing genocide for centuries, or is it more acceptable when carried out by fellow believers?
Once again, dont waste the thread on tit for tat throwaway insults.
sigil, terminus says...
11:37am Thu 1 May 08
Why bring Iraq and Afghanistan into this?
People in those countries have been committing genocide for centuries, or is it more acceptable when carried out by fellow believers?
Once again, dont waste the thread on tit for tat throwaway insults.
sigil, terminus says...
11:37am Thu 1 May 08
Why bring Iraq and Afghanistan into this?
People in those countries have been committing genocide for centuries, or is it more acceptable when carried out by fellow believers?
Once again, dont waste the thread on tit for tat throwaway insults.
The_Realist, Keighley says...
12:44pm Thu 1 May 08
Oh yeh of course, all the women and kids in the middle east have been killing people for centuries!
If that was the case, does this mean if in say, a decade or 2, the muslims invade our countries and kill our innocent civilians, it will be justified because our "leaders" went to war with them 20 years earlier???
I think not!
If you notice, the thread isnt being wasted, just made longer! cant wait to hear your reply! ;-)
The_Realist, Keighley says...
12:44pm Thu 1 May 08
Oh yeh of course, all the women and kids in the middle east have been killing people for centuries!
If that was the case, does this mean if in say, a decade or 2, the muslims invade our countries and kill our innocent civilians, it will be justified because our "leaders" went to war with them 20 years earlier???
I think not!
If you notice, the thread isnt being wasted, just made longer! cant wait to hear your reply! ;-)
The_Realist, Keighley says...
12:44pm Thu 1 May 08
Oh yeh of course, all the women and kids in the middle east have been killing people for centuries!
If that was the case, does this mean if in say, a decade or 2, the muslims invade our countries and kill our innocent civilians, it will be justified because our "leaders" went to war with them 20 years earlier???
I think not!
If you notice, the thread isnt being wasted, just made longer! cant wait to hear your reply! ;-)
The_Realist, Keighley says...
12:44pm Thu 1 May 08
Oh yeh of course, all the women and kids in the middle east have been killing people for centuries!
If that was the case, does this mean if in say, a decade or 2, the muslims invade our countries and kill our innocent civilians, it will be justified because our "leaders" went to war with them 20 years earlier???
I think not!
If you notice, the thread isnt being wasted, just made longer! cant wait to hear your reply! ;-)
Lee, Bradford says...
1:21pm Thu 1 May 08
Lee, Bradford says...
1:21pm Thu 1 May 08
Lee, Bradford says...
1:21pm Thu 1 May 08
Lee, Bradford says...
1:21pm Thu 1 May 08
sigil, terminus says...
2:16pm Thu 1 May 08
The_Realist wrote:I never mentioned "women and kids" But people have been killing each other in these countries for centuries, and in more recent times, there are different factions killing each other in Iraq everyday, before them Sadam and his henchmen were at it frequently (millions fled the country during his reign). And in Afghanistan Russians, Taliban, various warlords and assorted thugs entering via the Pakistan border have all terrorised the population and still would if given the opportunity. As for your comments regarding "Muslims" invading our country, some might say it has already happened, only time will tell what the outcome will be.
SIGIL:
Oh yeh of course, all the women and kids in the middle east have been killing people for centuries!
If that was the case, does this mean if in say, a decade or 2, the muslims invade our countries and kill our innocent civilians, it will be justified because our "leaders" went to war with them 20 years earlier???
I think not!
If you notice, the thread isnt being wasted, just made longer! cant wait to hear your reply! ;-)
sigil, terminus says...
2:16pm Thu 1 May 08
The_Realist wrote:I never mentioned "women and kids" But people have been killing each other in these countries for centuries, and in more recent times, there are different factions killing each other in Iraq everyday, before them Sadam and his henchmen were at it frequently (millions fled the country during his reign). And in Afghanistan Russians, Taliban, various warlords and assorted thugs entering via the Pakistan border have all terrorised the population and still would if given the opportunity. As for your comments regarding "Muslims" invading our country, some might say it has already happened, only time will tell what the outcome will be.
SIGIL:
Oh yeh of course, all the women and kids in the middle east have been killing people for centuries!
If that was the case, does this mean if in say, a decade or 2, the muslims invade our countries and kill our innocent civilians, it will be justified because our "leaders" went to war with them 20 years earlier???
I think not!
If you notice, the thread isnt being wasted, just made longer! cant wait to hear your reply! ;-)
sigil, terminus says...
2:16pm Thu 1 May 08
The_Realist wrote:I never mentioned "women and kids" But people have been killing each other in these countries for centuries, and in more recent times, there are different factions killing each other in Iraq everyday, before them Sadam and his henchmen were at it frequently (millions fled the country during his reign). And in Afghanistan Russians, Taliban, various warlords and assorted thugs entering via the Pakistan border have all terrorised the population and still would if given the opportunity. As for your comments regarding "Muslims" invading our country, some might say it has already happened, only time will tell what the outcome will be.
SIGIL:
Oh yeh of course, all the women and kids in the middle east have been killing people for centuries!
If that was the case, does this mean if in say, a decade or 2, the muslims invade our countries and kill our innocent civilians, it will be justified because our "leaders" went to war with them 20 years earlier???
I think not!
If you notice, the thread isnt being wasted, just made longer! cant wait to hear your reply! ;-)
sigil, terminus says...
2:16pm Thu 1 May 08
The_Realist wrote:I never mentioned "women and kids" But people have been killing each other in these countries for centuries, and in more recent times, there are different factions killing each other in Iraq everyday, before them Sadam and his henchmen were at it frequently (millions fled the country during his reign). And in Afghanistan Russians, Taliban, various warlords and assorted thugs entering via the Pakistan border have all terrorised the population and still would if given the opportunity. As for your comments regarding "Muslims" invading our country, some might say it has already happened, only time will tell what the outcome will be.
SIGIL:
Oh yeh of course, all the women and kids in the middle east have been killing people for centuries!
If that was the case, does this mean if in say, a decade or 2, the muslims invade our countries and kill our innocent civilians, it will be justified because our "leaders" went to war with them 20 years earlier???
I think not!
If you notice, the thread isnt being wasted, just made longer! cant wait to hear your reply! ;-)
mrs walker, round here says...
6:37pm Thu 1 May 08
sigil wrote:America armed the Taliban during the Cold War, Sigil. Unfortunately the West has made a habit of interfering in the politics of other countries to pursue its own political ends or seize their resources. It's not to say that Islamic states are necessarily in the right - but the issues have escalated so much, and have become so convoluted that it's hardly possible to say how the conflicts started now. The important thing surely is to find ways of finishing them. Let's face it, all of our political leaders have made mistakes - but they're human, so it's to be expected. However I am hopeful that we can overcome the mistrust and fear we're encouraged to feel about each other and live in harmony.
The_Realist wrote: SIGIL: Oh yeh of course, all the women and kids in the middle east have been killing people for centuries! If that was the case, does this mean if in say, a decade or 2, the muslims invade our countries and kill our innocent civilians, it will be justified because our "leaders" went to war with them 20 years earlier??? I think not! If you notice, the thread isnt being wasted, just made longer! cant wait to hear your reply! ;-)I never mentioned "women and kids" But people have been killing each other in these countries for centuries, and in more recent times, there are different factions killing each other in Iraq everyday, before them Sadam and his henchmen were at it frequently (millions fled the country during his reign). And in Afghanistan Russians, Taliban, various warlords and assorted thugs entering via the Pakistan border have all terrorised the population and still would if given the opportunity. As for your comments regarding "Muslims" invading our country, some might say it has already happened, only time will tell what the outcome will be.
Now go in peace or I'll smack your legs.
mrs walker, round here says...
6:37pm Thu 1 May 08
sigil wrote:America armed the Taliban during the Cold War, Sigil. Unfortunately the West has made a habit of interfering in the politics of other countries to pursue its own political ends or seize their resources. It's not to say that Islamic states are necessarily in the right - but the issues have escalated so much, and have become so convoluted that it's hardly possible to say how the conflicts started now. The important thing surely is to find ways of finishing them. Let's face it, all of our political leaders have made mistakes - but they're human, so it's to be expected. However I am hopeful that we can overcome the mistrust and fear we're encouraged to feel about each other and live in harmony.
The_Realist wrote: SIGIL: Oh yeh of course, all the women and kids in the middle east have been killing people for centuries! If that was the case, does this mean if in say, a decade or 2, the muslims invade our countries and kill our innocent civilians, it will be justified because our "leaders" went to war with them 20 years earlier??? I think not! If you notice, the thread isnt being wasted, just made longer! cant wait to hear your reply! ;-)I never mentioned "women and kids" But people have been killing each other in these countries for centuries, and in more recent times, there are different factions killing each other in Iraq everyday, before them Sadam and his henchmen were at it frequently (millions fled the country during his reign). And in Afghanistan Russians, Taliban, various warlords and assorted thugs entering via the Pakistan border have all terrorised the population and still would if given the opportunity. As for your comments regarding "Muslims" invading our country, some might say it has already happened, only time will tell what the outcome will be.
Now go in peace or I'll smack your legs.
mrs walker, round here says...
6:37pm Thu 1 May 08
sigil wrote:America armed the Taliban during the Cold War, Sigil. Unfortunately the West has made a habit of interfering in the politics of other countries to pursue its own political ends or seize their resources. It's not to say that Islamic states are necessarily in the right - but the issues have escalated so much, and have become so convoluted that it's hardly possible to say how the conflicts started now. The important thing surely is to find ways of finishing them. Let's face it, all of our political leaders have made mistakes - but they're human, so it's to be expected. However I am hopeful that we can overcome the mistrust and fear we're encouraged to feel about each other and live in harmony.
The_Realist wrote: SIGIL: Oh yeh of course, all the women and kids in the middle east have been killing people for centuries! If that was the case, does this mean if in say, a decade or 2, the muslims invade our countries and kill our innocent civilians, it will be justified because our "leaders" went to war with them 20 years earlier??? I think not! If you notice, the thread isnt being wasted, just made longer! cant wait to hear your reply! ;-)I never mentioned "women and kids" But people have been killing each other in these countries for centuries, and in more recent times, there are different factions killing each other in Iraq everyday, before them Sadam and his henchmen were at it frequently (millions fled the country during his reign). And in Afghanistan Russians, Taliban, various warlords and assorted thugs entering via the Pakistan border have all terrorised the population and still would if given the opportunity. As for your comments regarding "Muslims" invading our country, some might say it has already happened, only time will tell what the outcome will be.
Now go in peace or I'll smack your legs.
mrs walker, round here says...
6:37pm Thu 1 May 08
sigil wrote:America armed the Taliban during the Cold War, Sigil. Unfortunately the West has made a habit of interfering in the politics of other countries to pursue its own political ends or seize their resources. It's not to say that Islamic states are necessarily in the right - but the issues have escalated so much, and have become so convoluted that it's hardly possible to say how the conflicts started now. The important thing surely is to find ways of finishing them. Let's face it, all of our political leaders have made mistakes - but they're human, so it's to be expected. However I am hopeful that we can overcome the mistrust and fear we're encouraged to feel about each other and live in harmony.
The_Realist wrote: SIGIL: Oh yeh of course, all the women and kids in the middle east have been killing people for centuries! If that was the case, does this mean if in say, a decade or 2, the muslims invade our countries and kill our innocent civilians, it will be justified because our "leaders" went to war with them 20 years earlier??? I think not! If you notice, the thread isnt being wasted, just made longer! cant wait to hear your reply! ;-)I never mentioned "women and kids" But people have been killing each other in these countries for centuries, and in more recent times, there are different factions killing each other in Iraq everyday, before them Sadam and his henchmen were at it frequently (millions fled the country during his reign). And in Afghanistan Russians, Taliban, various warlords and assorted thugs entering via the Pakistan border have all terrorised the population and still would if given the opportunity. As for your comments regarding "Muslims" invading our country, some might say it has already happened, only time will tell what the outcome will be.
Now go in peace or I'll smack your legs.
sigil, terminus says...
7:17pm Thu 1 May 08
Do you dispute the validity of my statement, or did you just latch onto it so you could back someone else against me? as seems to be your usual practice.
My comment was a reply to a remark addressed directly to me, and wasnt relevant to this story, so you extending it isnt really contributing to it and infact seems to be one of those back the Islamist at all costs and against anything, that you have become well known for.
Do you have any views on the leaving of this country by Polish people? or indeed any theories as to why they are leaving?
Or have you simply joined the ranks of those who wait in the wings for an opportunity to open where you can practice your comments (which incidentally are starting to look as noticeably biased as some others you tend to attack (only in a different direction of course).
sigil, terminus says...
7:17pm Thu 1 May 08
Do you dispute the validity of my statement, or did you just latch onto it so you could back someone else against me? as seems to be your usual practice.
My comment was a reply to a remark addressed directly to me, and wasnt relevant to this story, so you extending it isnt really contributing to it and infact seems to be one of those back the Islamist at all costs and against anything, that you have become well known for.
Do you have any views on the leaving of this country by Polish people? or indeed any theories as to why they are leaving?
Or have you simply joined the ranks of those who wait in the wings for an opportunity to open where you can practice your comments (which incidentally are starting to look as noticeably biased as some others you tend to attack (only in a different direction of course).
sigil, terminus says...
7:17pm Thu 1 May 08
Do you dispute the validity of my statement, or did you just latch onto it so you could back someone else against me? as seems to be your usual practice.
My comment was a reply to a remark addressed directly to me, and wasnt relevant to this story, so you extending it isnt really contributing to it and infact seems to be one of those back the Islamist at all costs and against anything, that you have become well known for.
Do you have any views on the leaving of this country by Polish people? or indeed any theories as to why they are leaving?
Or have you simply joined the ranks of those who wait in the wings for an opportunity to open where you can practice your comments (which incidentally are starting to look as noticeably biased as some others you tend to attack (only in a different direction of course).
sigil, terminus says...
7:17pm Thu 1 May 08
Do you dispute the validity of my statement, or did you just latch onto it so you could back someone else against me? as seems to be your usual practice.
My comment was a reply to a remark addressed directly to me, and wasnt relevant to this story, so you extending it isnt really contributing to it and infact seems to be one of those back the Islamist at all costs and against anything, that you have become well known for.
Do you have any views on the leaving of this country by Polish people? or indeed any theories as to why they are leaving?
Or have you simply joined the ranks of those who wait in the wings for an opportunity to open where you can practice your comments (which incidentally are starting to look as noticeably biased as some others you tend to attack (only in a different direction of course).
mrs walker, round here says...
8:16pm Thu 1 May 08
I don't dispute the validity of your statement, but I think you're omitting huge chunks of relevant history - that the USA have been embroiled with regimes - like Saddam's - where they had no business, withdrawing support when it suits their business interests, rather than their ethics. It's not anti-Western rhetoric, or pro-Islamic, just a statement of fact.
I commented about migrants leaving a week or so ago after watching Dispatches. The programme highlighted the financial reasons for the ebb and flow of migrants. I don't have a problem with immigration, only with the sheer numbers of human beings trying to eke out survival on a fragile planet run by greedy corporations and selfish politicians.
mrs walker, round here says...
8:16pm Thu 1 May 08
I don't dispute the validity of your statement, but I think you're omitting huge chunks of relevant history - that the USA have been embroiled with regimes - like Saddam's - where they had no business, withdrawing support when it suits their business interests, rather than their ethics. It's not anti-Western rhetoric, or pro-Islamic, just a statement of fact.
I commented about migrants leaving a week or so ago after watching Dispatches. The programme highlighted the financial reasons for the ebb and flow of migrants. I don't have a problem with immigration, only with the sheer numbers of human beings trying to eke out survival on a fragile planet run by greedy corporations and selfish politicians.
mrs walker, round here says...
8:16pm Thu 1 May 08
I don't dispute the validity of your statement, but I think you're omitting huge chunks of relevant history - that the USA have been embroiled with regimes - like Saddam's - where they had no business, withdrawing support when it suits their business interests, rather than their ethics. It's not anti-Western rhetoric, or pro-Islamic, just a statement of fact.
I commented about migrants leaving a week or so ago after watching Dispatches. The programme highlighted the financial reasons for the ebb and flow of migrants. I don't have a problem with immigration, only with the sheer numbers of human beings trying to eke out survival on a fragile planet run by greedy corporations and selfish politicians.
mrs walker, round here says...
8:16pm Thu 1 May 08
I don't dispute the validity of your statement, but I think you're omitting huge chunks of relevant history - that the USA have been embroiled with regimes - like Saddam's - where they had no business, withdrawing support when it suits their business interests, rather than their ethics. It's not anti-Western rhetoric, or pro-Islamic, just a statement of fact.
I commented about migrants leaving a week or so ago after watching Dispatches. The programme highlighted the financial reasons for the ebb and flow of migrants. I don't have a problem with immigration, only with the sheer numbers of human beings trying to eke out survival on a fragile planet run by greedy corporations and selfish politicians.
sigil, terminus says...
8:31pm Thu 1 May 08
mrs walker wrote:Yes but its not relevant to this story (neither really are my remarks about migrants) as it is supposed to be about religious intolerance.
Er, I thought I was offering a fairly balanced and reasonable viewpoint - just where in my post was I 'backing the Islamist at all costs'??
I don't dispute the validity of your statement, but I think you're omitting huge chunks of relevant history - that the USA have been embroiled with regimes - like Saddam's - where they had no business, withdrawing support when it suits their business interests, rather than their ethics. It's not anti-Western rhetoric, or pro-Islamic, just a statement of fact.
I commented about migrants leaving a week or so ago after watching Dispatches. The programme highlighted the financial reasons for the ebb and flow of migrants. I don't have a problem with immigration, only with the sheer numbers of human beings trying to eke out survival on a fragile planet run by greedy corporations and selfish politicians.
sigil, terminus says...
8:31pm Thu 1 May 08
mrs walker wrote:Yes but its not relevant to this story (neither really are my remarks about migrants) as it is supposed to be about religious intolerance.
Er, I thought I was offering a fairly balanced and reasonable viewpoint - just where in my post was I 'backing the Islamist at all costs'??
I don't dispute the validity of your statement, but I think you're omitting huge chunks of relevant history - that the USA have been embroiled with regimes - like Saddam's - where they had no business, withdrawing support when it suits their business interests, rather than their ethics. It's not anti-Western rhetoric, or pro-Islamic, just a statement of fact.
I commented about migrants leaving a week or so ago after watching Dispatches. The programme highlighted the financial reasons for the ebb and flow of migrants. I don't have a problem with immigration, only with the sheer numbers of human beings trying to eke out survival on a fragile planet run by greedy corporations and selfish politicians.
sigil, terminus says...
8:31pm Thu 1 May 08
mrs walker wrote:Yes but its not relevant to this story (neither really are my remarks about migrants) as it is supposed to be about religious intolerance.
Er, I thought I was offering a fairly balanced and reasonable viewpoint - just where in my post was I 'backing the Islamist at all costs'??
I don't dispute the validity of your statement, but I think you're omitting huge chunks of relevant history - that the USA have been embroiled with regimes - like Saddam's - where they had no business, withdrawing support when it suits their business interests, rather than their ethics. It's not anti-Western rhetoric, or pro-Islamic, just a statement of fact.
I commented about migrants leaving a week or so ago after watching Dispatches. The programme highlighted the financial reasons for the ebb and flow of migrants. I don't have a problem with immigration, only with the sheer numbers of human beings trying to eke out survival on a fragile planet run by greedy corporations and selfish politicians.
sigil, terminus says...
8:31pm Thu 1 May 08
mrs walker wrote:Yes but its not relevant to this story (neither really are my remarks about migrants) as it is supposed to be about religious intolerance.
Er, I thought I was offering a fairly balanced and reasonable viewpoint - just where in my post was I 'backing the Islamist at all costs'??
I don't dispute the validity of your statement, but I think you're omitting huge chunks of relevant history - that the USA have been embroiled with regimes - like Saddam's - where they had no business, withdrawing support when it suits their business interests, rather than their ethics. It's not anti-Western rhetoric, or pro-Islamic, just a statement of fact.
I commented about migrants leaving a week or so ago after watching Dispatches. The programme highlighted the financial reasons for the ebb and flow of migrants. I don't have a problem with immigration, only with the sheer numbers of human beings trying to eke out survival on a fragile planet run by greedy corporations and selfish politicians.
mrs walker, round here says...
11:49pm Thu 1 May 08
'Let he who is without sin cast the first stone' etc...
...Guess we'd all better shut up then.
mrs walker, round here says...
11:49pm Thu 1 May 08
'Let he who is without sin cast the first stone' etc...
...Guess we'd all better shut up then.
mrs walker, round here says...
11:49pm Thu 1 May 08
'Let he who is without sin cast the first stone' etc...
...Guess we'd all better shut up then.
mrs walker, round here says...
11:49pm Thu 1 May 08
'Let he who is without sin cast the first stone' etc...
...Guess we'd all better shut up then.
sigil, terminus says...
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albion, west riding says...
6:30am Tue 29 Apr 08
Having stated my opinion, i still have to accept that anyone has the right to follow any religion they choose to, and have the right not to have followers of other religions harrass them (nor indeed should they harrass others).
If these reports are correct, then the police response in all of this is disgraceful, but not unexpected.