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1:00am Tuesday 8th January 2008

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Bradford community leaders have accused an Anglican Bishop of "scaremongering" after he claimed certain areas across the UK had become no-go areas for non-Muslims.

Bishop of Rochester, the Right Reverend Michael Nazir-Ali, who was born in Pakistan, said attempts were being made by Islamic extremists to give Britain an increasingly Islamic character.

He cited widespread immigration as a key factor. He said: "One of the results of this has been to further alienate the young from the nation in which they were growing up and also to turn already separate communities into no-go areas where adherence to this ideology has become a mark of acceptability.

"Those of a different faith or race may find it difficult to live or work there because of hostility to them. In many ways, this is but the other side of the coin to Far-Right intimidation."

President of the Ahmadiyya Muslim Association in Bradford, Dr Abdul Bary Malik, said he did not know what the Bishop was trying to achieve with such "scaremongering".

Dr Malik said: "Firstly I do not think there are so called no-go areas in this country. There is segregation unfortunately, which is a worrying trend but the language he has used is inflammatory.

"Bishop Nazir-Ali comes from Pakistan so he should understand Islamic culture better than anyone.

"At this time, New Year, when we are trying to spread a message of peace and love, a message like this from a person of this calibre is not helping.

"I agree with some of what he is saying. Some communities have segregated themselves but I do not understand what he is trying to achieve by this. Such language creates a climate of fear."

Ishtiaq Ahmed, spokesman for the Bradford Council of Mosques, said Bishop Nazir Ali's comments undermined the good work being done in the city. He said: "We were very surprised to hear Nasir Ali's comments, they certainly do not relate to the situation here in Bradford.

"We feel that a person in his position should be more careful in what he says. Many people in the Muslim community will see him as stirring things up."

The Bishop of Bradford, the Right Reverend David James, said: "I was dismayed to read the inflammatory headline in a Sunday newspaper claiming that Islamic extremists have created no go areas across Britain where it is too dangerous for non Muslims to enter'. We certainly do not recognise this supposed reality in Bradford.

"Of course, we are aware that there are difficulties arising from a significant measure of residential and cultural separation across communities, especially in the inner city. However, this has generated a range of imaginative initiatives such as the nationally-recognised Linking Schools Project, and the University's Programme for a Peaceful City - to name but a few."

Councillor Michael Smith, Bradford Council's executive member for community safety, said he was very disappointed to hear about Bishop Ali's comments.

He said: "They may be more appropriate for the area in which the Bishop lives but we are an enlightened area and have good cohesion."

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albion, west riding says...
6:44am Tue 8 Jan 08

Reading this it seems some people dont disagree with him, but condem him for saying it, and what about all those stories some time back about asians threatening people in parks and asking them to leave, saying "this is now our park!
A few years ago a colleague of mine was driving down carlisle road and found a man unconcious in the road, the police officers who attended told him it was a no go area for single white males late at night.

albion, west riding says...
6:44am Tue 8 Jan 08

Reading this it seems some people dont disagree with him, but condem him for saying it, and what about all those stories some time back about asians threatening people in parks and asking them to leave, saying "this is now our park!
A few years ago a colleague of mine was driving down carlisle road and found a man unconcious in the road, the police officers who attended told him it was a no go area for single white males late at night.

albion, west riding says...
6:44am Tue 8 Jan 08

Reading this it seems some people dont disagree with him, but condem him for saying it, and what about all those stories some time back about asians threatening people in parks and asking them to leave, saying "this is now our park!
A few years ago a colleague of mine was driving down carlisle road and found a man unconcious in the road, the police officers who attended told him it was a no go area for single white males late at night.

albion, west riding says...
6:44am Tue 8 Jan 08

Reading this it seems some people dont disagree with him, but condem him for saying it, and what about all those stories some time back about asians threatening people in parks and asking them to leave, saying "this is now our park!
A few years ago a colleague of mine was driving down carlisle road and found a man unconcious in the road, the police officers who attended told him it was a no go area for single white males late at night.

Andy Bairsto, bradford says...
7:24am Tue 8 Jan 08

There is a big diffrence between an area I wuld not go in and an area i have no reason to go in .For me the centre of Bradford would be a no go area at night.But there are plenty of areas I would not feel safe due to the total lack of a police presence both day and night.

Andy Bairsto, bradford says...
7:24am Tue 8 Jan 08

There is a big diffrence between an area I wuld not go in and an area i have no reason to go in .For me the centre of Bradford would be a no go area at night.But there are plenty of areas I would not feel safe due to the total lack of a police presence both day and night.

Andy Bairsto, bradford says...
7:24am Tue 8 Jan 08

There is a big diffrence between an area I wuld not go in and an area i have no reason to go in .For me the centre of Bradford would be a no go area at night.But there are plenty of areas I would not feel safe due to the total lack of a police presence both day and night.

Andy Bairsto, bradford says...
7:24am Tue 8 Jan 08

There is a big diffrence between an area I wuld not go in and an area i have no reason to go in .For me the centre of Bradford would be a no go area at night.But there are plenty of areas I would not feel safe due to the total lack of a police presence both day and night.

roadking, bradfiord says...
8:25am Tue 8 Jan 08

LETS GET OUR HEADS OUT OF THE CLOUDS AND ADMIT IT. WAKE UP FOLKS, THERE ARE MANY "NO GO" OR "NO SAFE" AREAS IN ALL TOWNS AND CITIES...FACT!

roadking, bradfiord says...
8:25am Tue 8 Jan 08

LETS GET OUR HEADS OUT OF THE CLOUDS AND ADMIT IT. WAKE UP FOLKS, THERE ARE MANY "NO GO" OR "NO SAFE" AREAS IN ALL TOWNS AND CITIES...FACT!

roadking, bradfiord says...
8:25am Tue 8 Jan 08

LETS GET OUR HEADS OUT OF THE CLOUDS AND ADMIT IT. WAKE UP FOLKS, THERE ARE MANY "NO GO" OR "NO SAFE" AREAS IN ALL TOWNS AND CITIES...FACT!

roadking, bradfiord says...
8:25am Tue 8 Jan 08

LETS GET OUR HEADS OUT OF THE CLOUDS AND ADMIT IT. WAKE UP FOLKS, THERE ARE MANY "NO GO" OR "NO SAFE" AREAS IN ALL TOWNS AND CITIES...FACT!

Divers_uk, Gilstead says...
8:29am Tue 8 Jan 08

"One of the results of this has been to further alienate the young from the nation in which they were growing up"
English as a first language, perhaps?

Divers_uk, Gilstead says...
8:29am Tue 8 Jan 08

"One of the results of this has been to further alienate the young from the nation in which they were growing up"
English as a first language, perhaps?

Divers_uk, Gilstead says...
8:29am Tue 8 Jan 08

"One of the results of this has been to further alienate the young from the nation in which they were growing up"
English as a first language, perhaps?

Divers_uk, Gilstead says...
8:29am Tue 8 Jan 08

"One of the results of this has been to further alienate the young from the nation in which they were growing up"
English as a first language, perhaps?

Darren, Shipley says...
10:03am Tue 8 Jan 08

There are more white areas I would not go in for fear of being mugged.

Darren, Shipley says...
10:03am Tue 8 Jan 08

There are more white areas I would not go in for fear of being mugged.

Darren, Shipley says...
10:03am Tue 8 Jan 08

There are more white areas I would not go in for fear of being mugged.

Darren, Shipley says...
10:03am Tue 8 Jan 08

There are more white areas I would not go in for fear of being mugged.

chris, BRADFORD says...
11:25am Tue 8 Jan 08

This is very true in Bradford certain places which i wont name have become a no go area.This is not because of the Muslims it because of the younger people who are out of control now in these areas With drugs dealing and thinking there ganstas driving around in there fast motors which is all drug money. The older people and there leaders need to take back the streets and dont turn a blind eye to things what go on.
Thanks

chris, BRADFORD says...
11:25am Tue 8 Jan 08

This is very true in Bradford certain places which i wont name have become a no go area.This is not because of the Muslims it because of the younger people who are out of control now in these areas With drugs dealing and thinking there ganstas driving around in there fast motors which is all drug money. The older people and there leaders need to take back the streets and dont turn a blind eye to things what go on.
Thanks

chris, BRADFORD says...
11:25am Tue 8 Jan 08

This is very true in Bradford certain places which i wont name have become a no go area.This is not because of the Muslims it because of the younger people who are out of control now in these areas With drugs dealing and thinking there ganstas driving around in there fast motors which is all drug money. The older people and there leaders need to take back the streets and dont turn a blind eye to things what go on.
Thanks

chris, BRADFORD says...
11:25am Tue 8 Jan 08

This is very true in Bradford certain places which i wont name have become a no go area.This is not because of the Muslims it because of the younger people who are out of control now in these areas With drugs dealing and thinking there ganstas driving around in there fast motors which is all drug money. The older people and there leaders need to take back the streets and dont turn a blind eye to things what go on.
Thanks

Mr T, Bradford says...
11:46am Tue 8 Jan 08

Firts of all what has no go areas got to do with muslims. young people create no go areas from the so called "gangster metality" which comes from movies and gangster culture (Rap, video games). No go areas has been a culture of britain for many years and has nothing to do with religon. try walking in Moss Side Manchester or some parts of Birmingham on a night (or even day)then people would realise what no go areas are.
And by the way Dr malik does not represent the Muslim community.

Mr T, Bradford says...
11:46am Tue 8 Jan 08

Firts of all what has no go areas got to do with muslims. young people create no go areas from the so called "gangster metality" which comes from movies and gangster culture (Rap, video games). No go areas has been a culture of britain for many years and has nothing to do with religon. try walking in Moss Side Manchester or some parts of Birmingham on a night (or even day)then people would realise what no go areas are.
And by the way Dr malik does not represent the Muslim community.

Mr T, Bradford says...
11:46am Tue 8 Jan 08

Firts of all what has no go areas got to do with muslims. young people create no go areas from the so called "gangster metality" which comes from movies and gangster culture (Rap, video games). No go areas has been a culture of britain for many years and has nothing to do with religon. try walking in Moss Side Manchester or some parts of Birmingham on a night (or even day)then people would realise what no go areas are.
And by the way Dr malik does not represent the Muslim community.

Mr T, Bradford says...
11:46am Tue 8 Jan 08

Firts of all what has no go areas got to do with muslims. young people create no go areas from the so called "gangster metality" which comes from movies and gangster culture (Rap, video games). No go areas has been a culture of britain for many years and has nothing to do with religon. try walking in Moss Side Manchester or some parts of Birmingham on a night (or even day)then people would realise what no go areas are.
And by the way Dr malik does not represent the Muslim community.

Mr T, Bradford says...
11:49am Tue 8 Jan 08

albion wrote:
Reading this it seems some people dont disagree with him, but condem him for saying it, and what about all those stories some time back about asians threatening people in parks and asking them to leave, saying "this is now our park! A few years ago a colleague of mine was driving down carlisle road and found a man unconcious in the road, the police officers who attended told him it was a no go area for single white males late at night.
Live with it

Mr T, Bradford says...
11:49am Tue 8 Jan 08

albion wrote:
Reading this it seems some people dont disagree with him, but condem him for saying it, and what about all those stories some time back about asians threatening people in parks and asking them to leave, saying "this is now our park! A few years ago a colleague of mine was driving down carlisle road and found a man unconcious in the road, the police officers who attended told him it was a no go area for single white males late at night.
Live with it

Mr T, Bradford says...
11:49am Tue 8 Jan 08

albion wrote:
Reading this it seems some people dont disagree with him, but condem him for saying it, and what about all those stories some time back about asians threatening people in parks and asking them to leave, saying "this is now our park! A few years ago a colleague of mine was driving down carlisle road and found a man unconcious in the road, the police officers who attended told him it was a no go area for single white males late at night.
Live with it

Mr T, Bradford says...
11:49am Tue 8 Jan 08

albion wrote:
Reading this it seems some people dont disagree with him, but condem him for saying it, and what about all those stories some time back about asians threatening people in parks and asking them to leave, saying "this is now our park! A few years ago a colleague of mine was driving down carlisle road and found a man unconcious in the road, the police officers who attended told him it was a no go area for single white males late at night.
Live with it

chris, BRADFORD says...
11:51am Tue 8 Jan 08

Mr T wrote:
Firts of all what has no go areas got to do with muslims. young people create no go areas from the so called "gangster metality" which comes from movies and gangster culture (Rap, video games). No go areas has been a culture of britain for many years and has nothing to do with religon. try walking in Moss Side Manchester or some parts of Birmingham on a night (or even day)then people would realise what no go areas are. And by the way Dr malik does not represent the Muslim community.
MR T go get the A TEAM TO SORT THIS MESS OUT

chris, BRADFORD says...
11:51am Tue 8 Jan 08

Mr T wrote:
Firts of all what has no go areas got to do with muslims. young people create no go areas from the so called "gangster metality" which comes from movies and gangster culture (Rap, video games). No go areas has been a culture of britain for many years and has nothing to do with religon. try walking in Moss Side Manchester or some parts of Birmingham on a night (or even day)then people would realise what no go areas are. And by the way Dr malik does not represent the Muslim community.
MR T go get the A TEAM TO SORT THIS MESS OUT

chris, BRADFORD says...
11:51am Tue 8 Jan 08

Mr T wrote:
Firts of all what has no go areas got to do with muslims. young people create no go areas from the so called "gangster metality" which comes from movies and gangster culture (Rap, video games). No go areas has been a culture of britain for many years and has nothing to do with religon. try walking in Moss Side Manchester or some parts of Birmingham on a night (or even day)then people would realise what no go areas are. And by the way Dr malik does not represent the Muslim community.
MR T go get the A TEAM TO SORT THIS MESS OUT

chris, BRADFORD says...
11:51am Tue 8 Jan 08

Mr T wrote:
Firts of all what has no go areas got to do with muslims. young people create no go areas from the so called "gangster metality" which comes from movies and gangster culture (Rap, video games). No go areas has been a culture of britain for many years and has nothing to do with religon. try walking in Moss Side Manchester or some parts of Birmingham on a night (or even day)then people would realise what no go areas are. And by the way Dr malik does not represent the Muslim community.
MR T go get the A TEAM TO SORT THIS MESS OUT

Darren, says...
12:06pm Tue 8 Jan 08

chris wrote:
Mr T wrote:
Firts of all what has no go areas got to do with muslims. young people create no go areas from the so called "gangster metality" which comes from movies and gangster culture (Rap, video games). No go areas has been a culture of britain for many years and has nothing to do with religon. try walking in Moss Side Manchester or some parts of Birmingham on a night (or even day)then people would realise what no go areas are. And by the way Dr malik does not represent the Muslim community.
MR T go get the A TEAM TO SORT THIS MESS OUT
The Equalizer could team up with them!

Darren, says...
12:06pm Tue 8 Jan 08

chris wrote:
Mr T wrote:
Firts of all what has no go areas got to do with muslims. young people create no go areas from the so called "gangster metality" which comes from movies and gangster culture (Rap, video games). No go areas has been a culture of britain for many years and has nothing to do with religon. try walking in Moss Side Manchester or some parts of Birmingham on a night (or even day)then people would realise what no go areas are. And by the way Dr malik does not represent the Muslim community.
MR T go get the A TEAM TO SORT THIS MESS OUT
The Equalizer could team up with them!

Darren, says...
12:06pm Tue 8 Jan 08

chris wrote:
Mr T wrote:
Firts of all what has no go areas got to do with muslims. young people create no go areas from the so called "gangster metality" which comes from movies and gangster culture (Rap, video games). No go areas has been a culture of britain for many years and has nothing to do with religon. try walking in Moss Side Manchester or some parts of Birmingham on a night (or even day)then people would realise what no go areas are. And by the way Dr malik does not represent the Muslim community.
MR T go get the A TEAM TO SORT THIS MESS OUT
The Equalizer could team up with them!

Darren, says...
12:06pm Tue 8 Jan 08

chris wrote:
Mr T wrote:
Firts of all what has no go areas got to do with muslims. young people create no go areas from the so called "gangster metality" which comes from movies and gangster culture (Rap, video games). No go areas has been a culture of britain for many years and has nothing to do with religon. try walking in Moss Side Manchester or some parts of Birmingham on a night (or even day)then people would realise what no go areas are. And by the way Dr malik does not represent the Muslim community.
MR T go get the A TEAM TO SORT THIS MESS OUT
The Equalizer could team up with them!

Divers_uk, Gilstead says...
12:43pm Tue 8 Jan 08

Video games!
Not lack of parental control then?

Divers_uk, Gilstead says...
12:43pm Tue 8 Jan 08

Video games!
Not lack of parental control then?

Divers_uk, Gilstead says...
12:43pm Tue 8 Jan 08

Video games!
Not lack of parental control then?

Divers_uk, Gilstead says...
12:43pm Tue 8 Jan 08

Video games!
Not lack of parental control then?

why ban me t&a, says...
1:41pm Tue 8 Jan 08

Divers_uk wrote:
Video games!
Not lack of parental control then?
Please lets not blame this on video game or music videos. I have been playing games all my life and i do not go round killing/ assaulting people.

It's bad parenting, most of these scum have parents who are either too drugged or drunk to give a sh!t about what their children are getting up to.

why ban me t&a, says...
1:41pm Tue 8 Jan 08

Divers_uk wrote:
Video games!
Not lack of parental control then?
Please lets not blame this on video game or music videos. I have been playing games all my life and i do not go round killing/ assaulting people.

It's bad parenting, most of these scum have parents who are either too drugged or drunk to give a sh!t about what their children are getting up to.

why ban me t&a, says...
1:41pm Tue 8 Jan 08

Divers_uk wrote:
Video games!
Not lack of parental control then?
Please lets not blame this on video game or music videos. I have been playing games all my life and i do not go round killing/ assaulting people.

It's bad parenting, most of these scum have parents who are either too drugged or drunk to give a sh!t about what their children are getting up to.

why ban me t&a, says...
1:41pm Tue 8 Jan 08

Divers_uk wrote:
Video games!
Not lack of parental control then?
Please lets not blame this on video game or music videos. I have been playing games all my life and i do not go round killing/ assaulting people.

It's bad parenting, most of these scum have parents who are either too drugged or drunk to give a sh!t about what their children are getting up to.

Mr T, Bradford says...
1:53pm Tue 8 Jan 08

why ban me t&a wrote:
Divers_uk wrote: Video games! Not lack of parental control then?
Please lets not blame this on video game or music videos. I have been playing games all my life and i do not go round killing/ assaulting people. It's bad parenting, most of these scum have parents who are either too drugged or drunk to give a sh!t about what their children are getting up to.
You havent played Grant Theft Auto, Scarface, Godfather, 50 Cent. Dont get me wrong most games are fine, i love them but some of these games can influence a young persons mind. Fifa is my favourite

Mr T, Bradford says...
1:53pm Tue 8 Jan 08

why ban me t&a wrote:
Divers_uk wrote: Video games! Not lack of parental control then?
Please lets not blame this on video game or music videos. I have been playing games all my life and i do not go round killing/ assaulting people. It's bad parenting, most of these scum have parents who are either too drugged or drunk to give a sh!t about what their children are getting up to.
You havent played Grant Theft Auto, Scarface, Godfather, 50 Cent. Dont get me wrong most games are fine, i love them but some of these games can influence a young persons mind. Fifa is my favourite

Mr T, Bradford says...
1:53pm Tue 8 Jan 08

why ban me t&a wrote:
Divers_uk wrote: Video games! Not lack of parental control then?
Please lets not blame this on video game or music videos. I have been playing games all my life and i do not go round killing/ assaulting people. It's bad parenting, most of these scum have parents who are either too drugged or drunk to give a sh!t about what their children are getting up to.
You havent played Grant Theft Auto, Scarface, Godfather, 50 Cent. Dont get me wrong most games are fine, i love them but some of these games can influence a young persons mind. Fifa is my favourite

Mr T, Bradford says...
1:53pm Tue 8 Jan 08

why ban me t&a wrote:
Divers_uk wrote: Video games! Not lack of parental control then?
Please lets not blame this on video game or music videos. I have been playing games all my life and i do not go round killing/ assaulting people. It's bad parenting, most of these scum have parents who are either too drugged or drunk to give a sh!t about what their children are getting up to.
You havent played Grant Theft Auto, Scarface, Godfather, 50 Cent. Dont get me wrong most games are fine, i love them but some of these games can influence a young persons mind. Fifa is my favourite

Dan, Bradford says...
2:11pm Tue 8 Jan 08

This no-go idea is complete rubbish as far as I can see. If that was the case I wouldn't be able to live where I am now, and I don't ever get hassle from people.

I don't know if this case if different up Manningham way, though I've walked around there late at night and not had trouble either. I guess any of these incidents that do occur are as people have said far more from a wannabe gangster attitude, that's come up with it's own rules, nothing to do with the Islamic community.

Dan, Bradford says...
2:11pm Tue 8 Jan 08

This no-go idea is complete rubbish as far as I can see. If that was the case I wouldn't be able to live where I am now, and I don't ever get hassle from people.

I don't know if this case if different up Manningham way, though I've walked around there late at night and not had trouble either. I guess any of these incidents that do occur are as people have said far more from a wannabe gangster attitude, that's come up with it's own rules, nothing to do with the Islamic community.

Dan, Bradford says...
2:11pm Tue 8 Jan 08

This no-go idea is complete rubbish as far as I can see. If that was the case I wouldn't be able to live where I am now, and I don't ever get hassle from people.

I don't know if this case if different up Manningham way, though I've walked around there late at night and not had trouble either. I guess any of these incidents that do occur are as people have said far more from a wannabe gangster attitude, that's come up with it's own rules, nothing to do with the Islamic community.

Dan, Bradford says...
2:11pm Tue 8 Jan 08

This no-go idea is complete rubbish as far as I can see. If that was the case I wouldn't be able to live where I am now, and I don't ever get hassle from people.

I don't know if this case if different up Manningham way, though I've walked around there late at night and not had trouble either. I guess any of these incidents that do occur are as people have said far more from a wannabe gangster attitude, that's come up with it's own rules, nothing to do with the Islamic community.

zodiac, doncaster says...
5:02pm Tue 8 Jan 08

Rev Nazir-Ali isn't talking about no-go areas on account nof the anti-social behavoiur of youths in the area but because of religious segregation.Think of Northern Ireland.Why should everyone who speaks out on subjects that we all are aware of be said to be scaremongering . This is a free country-isn't it? Or is it?It's good that there are people not afraid to say what very many of us think.

zodiac, doncaster says...
5:02pm Tue 8 Jan 08

Rev Nazir-Ali isn't talking about no-go areas on account nof the anti-social behavoiur of youths in the area but because of religious segregation.Think of Northern Ireland.Why should everyone who speaks out on subjects that we all are aware of be said to be scaremongering . This is a free country-isn't it? Or is it?It's good that there are people not afraid to say what very many of us think.

zodiac, doncaster says...
5:02pm Tue 8 Jan 08

Rev Nazir-Ali isn't talking about no-go areas on account nof the anti-social behavoiur of youths in the area but because of religious segregation.Think of Northern Ireland.Why should everyone who speaks out on subjects that we all are aware of be said to be scaremongering . This is a free country-isn't it? Or is it?It's good that there are people not afraid to say what very many of us think.

zodiac, doncaster says...
5:02pm Tue 8 Jan 08

Rev Nazir-Ali isn't talking about no-go areas on account nof the anti-social behavoiur of youths in the area but because of religious segregation.Think of Northern Ireland.Why should everyone who speaks out on subjects that we all are aware of be said to be scaremongering . This is a free country-isn't it? Or is it?It's good that there are people not afraid to say what very many of us think.

albion, west riding says...
5:29pm Tue 8 Jan 08

Mr T wrote:
albion wrote: Reading this it seems some people dont disagree with him, but condem him for saying it, and what about all those stories some time back about asians threatening people in parks and asking them to leave, saying "this is now our park! A few years ago a colleague of mine was driving down carlisle road and found a man unconcious in the road, the police officers who attended told him it was a no go area for single white males late at night.
Live with it
Isnt that what i am doing?

albion, west riding says...
5:29pm Tue 8 Jan 08

Mr T wrote:
albion wrote: Reading this it seems some people dont disagree with him, but condem him for saying it, and what about all those stories some time back about asians threatening people in parks and asking them to leave, saying "this is now our park! A few years ago a colleague of mine was driving down carlisle road and found a man unconcious in the road, the police officers who attended told him it was a no go area for single white males late at night.
Live with it
Isnt that what i am doing?

albion, west riding says...
5:29pm Tue 8 Jan 08

Mr T wrote:
albion wrote: Reading this it seems some people dont disagree with him, but condem him for saying it, and what about all those stories some time back about asians threatening people in parks and asking them to leave, saying "this is now our park! A few years ago a colleague of mine was driving down carlisle road and found a man unconcious in the road, the police officers who attended told him it was a no go area for single white males late at night.
Live with it
Isnt that what i am doing?

albion, west riding says...
5:29pm Tue 8 Jan 08

Mr T wrote:
albion wrote: Reading this it seems some people dont disagree with him, but condem him for saying it, and what about all those stories some time back about asians threatening people in parks and asking them to leave, saying "this is now our park! A few years ago a colleague of mine was driving down carlisle road and found a man unconcious in the road, the police officers who attended told him it was a no go area for single white males late at night.
Live with it
Isnt that what i am doing?

Colin Brammah, Keighley, West Yorkshire. says...
7:26pm Tue 8 Jan 08

Didn't Nick Griffin of the BNP get dragged through the courts for saying things on the same line?
Let's see if our Reverend is taken to the gallows.

Colin Brammah, Keighley, West Yorkshire. says...
7:26pm Tue 8 Jan 08

Didn't Nick Griffin of the BNP get dragged through the courts for saying things on the same line?
Let's see if our Reverend is taken to the gallows.

Colin Brammah, Keighley, West Yorkshire. says...
7:26pm Tue 8 Jan 08

Didn't Nick Griffin of the BNP get dragged through the courts for saying things on the same line?
Let's see if our Reverend is taken to the gallows.

Colin Brammah, Keighley, West Yorkshire. says...
7:26pm Tue 8 Jan 08

Didn't Nick Griffin of the BNP get dragged through the courts for saying things on the same line?
Let's see if our Reverend is taken to the gallows.

mrs walker, round here says...
10:27pm Tue 8 Jan 08

He's the Bishop of Rochester for goodness sake! Has he ever BEEN to Bradford?

Incidentally, anyone know which Sunday newspaper the Bish made his original comments in?

mrs walker, round here says...
10:27pm Tue 8 Jan 08

He's the Bishop of Rochester for goodness sake! Has he ever BEEN to Bradford?

Incidentally, anyone know which Sunday newspaper the Bish made his original comments in?

mrs walker, round here says...
10:27pm Tue 8 Jan 08

He's the Bishop of Rochester for goodness sake! Has he ever BEEN to Bradford?

Incidentally, anyone know which Sunday newspaper the Bish made his original comments in?

mrs walker, round here says...
10:27pm Tue 8 Jan 08

He's the Bishop of Rochester for goodness sake! Has he ever BEEN to Bradford?

Incidentally, anyone know which Sunday newspaper the Bish made his original comments in?

albion, west riding says...
6:30am Wed 9 Jan 08

the telegraph.

albion, west riding says...
6:30am Wed 9 Jan 08

the telegraph.

albion, west riding says...
6:30am Wed 9 Jan 08

the telegraph.

albion, west riding says...
6:30am Wed 9 Jan 08

the telegraph.

mrs walker, round here says...
10:33am Wed 9 Jan 08

albion wrote:
the telegraph.
The telegraph, eh? I'd bet it's a favoured publication of people living in gated communities - the ultimate in social segregation.. Now those ARE no-go areas..

mrs walker, round here says...
10:33am Wed 9 Jan 08

albion wrote:
the telegraph.
The telegraph, eh? I'd bet it's a favoured publication of people living in gated communities - the ultimate in social segregation.. Now those ARE no-go areas..

mrs walker, round here says...
10:33am Wed 9 Jan 08

albion wrote:
the telegraph.
The telegraph, eh? I'd bet it's a favoured publication of people living in gated communities - the ultimate in social segregation.. Now those ARE no-go areas..

mrs walker, round here says...
10:33am Wed 9 Jan 08

albion wrote:
the telegraph.
The telegraph, eh? I'd bet it's a favoured publication of people living in gated communities - the ultimate in social segregation.. Now those ARE no-go areas..

Chris, Yorkshire says...
11:02am Wed 9 Jan 08

You've got to work in these areas without having a vested interest in any particular one to understand the depth of division in this city and this country.

Pretty much all of urban Bradford is a potential no-go area for some people, and the criteria is invariably race.

A white youth from Holme Wood could no more expect to walk safely down Carlisle Road at 11pm on a Saturday night than could an asian youth from Manningham expect to walk through Holme Wood at the same time.

There are of course areas where nobody is welcome. That's why the police avoid them.

But the next pot to bubble over is eastern european immigrants in conflict with asians in Bradford. The e.euros are vehemently defensive of their religion and will not take well to their priests being beaten up and their churches torched by asian yoofs. I get the impression that they're not averse to using whatever level of violence is necessary to protect themselves.

Chris, Yorkshire says...
11:02am Wed 9 Jan 08

You've got to work in these areas without having a vested interest in any particular one to understand the depth of division in this city and this country.

Pretty much all of urban Bradford is a potential no-go area for some people, and the criteria is invariably race.

A white youth from Holme Wood could no more expect to walk safely down Carlisle Road at 11pm on a Saturday night than could an asian youth from Manningham expect to walk through Holme Wood at the same time.

There are of course areas where nobody is welcome. That's why the police avoid them.

But the next pot to bubble over is eastern european immigrants in conflict with asians in Bradford. The e.euros are vehemently defensive of their religion and will not take well to their priests being beaten up and their churches torched by asian yoofs. I get the impression that they're not averse to using whatever level of violence is necessary to protect themselves.

Chris, Yorkshire says...
11:02am Wed 9 Jan 08

You've got to work in these areas without having a vested interest in any particular one to understand the depth of division in this city and this country.

Pretty much all of urban Bradford is a potential no-go area for some people, and the criteria is invariably race.

A white youth from Holme Wood could no more expect to walk safely down Carlisle Road at 11pm on a Saturday night than could an asian youth from Manningham expect to walk through Holme Wood at the same time.

There are of course areas where nobody is welcome. That's why the police avoid them.

But the next pot to bubble over is eastern european immigrants in conflict with asians in Bradford. The e.euros are vehemently defensive of their religion and will not take well to their priests being beaten up and their churches torched by asian yoofs. I get the impression that they're not averse to using whatever level of violence is necessary to protect themselves.

Chris, Yorkshire says...
11:02am Wed 9 Jan 08

You've got to work in these areas without having a vested interest in any particular one to understand the depth of division in this city and this country.

Pretty much all of urban Bradford is a potential no-go area for some people, and the criteria is invariably race.

A white youth from Holme Wood could no more expect to walk safely down Carlisle Road at 11pm on a Saturday night than could an asian youth from Manningham expect to walk through Holme Wood at the same time.

There are of course areas where nobody is welcome. That's why the police avoid them.

But the next pot to bubble over is eastern european immigrants in conflict with asians in Bradford. The e.euros are vehemently defensive of their religion and will not take well to their priests being beaten up and their churches torched by asian yoofs. I get the impression that they're not averse to using whatever level of violence is necessary to protect themselves.

mrs walker, round here says...
12:03pm Wed 9 Jan 08

I'm not sure about this. If the criteria is invariably race, why mention a white lad 'from Holme Wood' or an Asian 'from Manningham'. I suggest that white people - from Manningham! - do walk down Carlisle Rd at 11pm on a Saturday night. That's why I think it's more to do with territories -'hoods, manors - call them what you will - rather than race. If you're seen as 'belonging' somewhere, the hassle factor is always reduced.

mrs walker, round here says...
12:03pm Wed 9 Jan 08

I'm not sure about this. If the criteria is invariably race, why mention a white lad 'from Holme Wood' or an Asian 'from Manningham'. I suggest that white people - from Manningham! - do walk down Carlisle Rd at 11pm on a Saturday night. That's why I think it's more to do with territories -'hoods, manors - call them what you will - rather than race. If you're seen as 'belonging' somewhere, the hassle factor is always reduced.

mrs walker, round here says...
12:03pm Wed 9 Jan 08

I'm not sure about this. If the criteria is invariably race, why mention a white lad 'from Holme Wood' or an Asian 'from Manningham'. I suggest that white people - from Manningham! - do walk down Carlisle Rd at 11pm on a Saturday night. That's why I think it's more to do with territories -'hoods, manors - call them what you will - rather than race. If you're seen as 'belonging' somewhere, the hassle factor is always reduced.

mrs walker, round here says...
12:03pm Wed 9 Jan 08

I'm not sure about this. If the criteria is invariably race, why mention a white lad 'from Holme Wood' or an Asian 'from Manningham'. I suggest that white people - from Manningham! - do walk down Carlisle Rd at 11pm on a Saturday night. That's why I think it's more to do with territories -'hoods, manors - call them what you will - rather than race. If you're seen as 'belonging' somewhere, the hassle factor is always reduced.

mrs walker, round here says...
12:19pm Wed 9 Jan 08

A few years ago the government released a list of the seven most deprived wards in the country. When I read the list I realized that I'd lived in three of them. Different ethnic makeup for each. And 'outsiders' of any race were always treated with suspicion. 'You ain't from round these parts, are ya.. This is a local ghetto for local people...
Territorialism: Human nature.

mrs walker, round here says...
12:19pm Wed 9 Jan 08

A few years ago the government released a list of the seven most deprived wards in the country. When I read the list I realized that I'd lived in three of them. Different ethnic makeup for each. And 'outsiders' of any race were always treated with suspicion. 'You ain't from round these parts, are ya.. This is a local ghetto for local people...
Territorialism: Human nature.

mrs walker, round here says...
12:19pm Wed 9 Jan 08

A few years ago the government released a list of the seven most deprived wards in the country. When I read the list I realized that I'd lived in three of them. Different ethnic makeup for each. And 'outsiders' of any race were always treated with suspicion. 'You ain't from round these parts, are ya.. This is a local ghetto for local people...
Territorialism: Human nature.

mrs walker, round here says...
12:19pm Wed 9 Jan 08

A few years ago the government released a list of the seven most deprived wards in the country. When I read the list I realized that I'd lived in three of them. Different ethnic makeup for each. And 'outsiders' of any race were always treated with suspicion. 'You ain't from round these parts, are ya.. This is a local ghetto for local people...
Territorialism: Human nature.

Chris, Yorkshire says...
12:22pm Wed 9 Jan 08

mrs walker wrote:
I'm not sure about this. If the criteria is invariably race, why mention a white lad 'from Holme Wood' or an Asian 'from Manningham'. I suggest that white people - from Manningham! - do walk down Carlisle Rd at 11pm on a Saturday night. That's why I think it's more to do with territories -'hoods, manors - call them what you will - rather than race. If you're seen as 'belonging' somewhere, the hassle factor is always reduced.
Because, like it or not, the residents of those areas identify the place they live as being 'asian' and 'white' areas, and those outside those areas do the same.

It's a fact of life, albeit an unpalatable one, that racist attacks by both communities are very common, but they are also very difficult to prove to a point where a conviction is achievable.

The attacks are rarely about territory, they're simply about the presence of a person of a race that is unacceptable to the criminals who see themselves as the 'law' in their respective areas, particularly in the absence of any other law enforcement.

There're always exceptions that prove the rule.

The attacks on others because of 'hoods' or 'manors', territorial attacks, continue to take place alongside and in addition to those stated avove.

Chris, Yorkshire says...
12:22pm Wed 9 Jan 08

mrs walker wrote:
I'm not sure about this. If the criteria is invariably race, why mention a white lad 'from Holme Wood' or an Asian 'from Manningham'. I suggest that white people - from Manningham! - do walk down Carlisle Rd at 11pm on a Saturday night. That's why I think it's more to do with territories -'hoods, manors - call them what you will - rather than race. If you're seen as 'belonging' somewhere, the hassle factor is always reduced.
Because, like it or not, the residents of those areas identify the place they live as being 'asian' and 'white' areas, and those outside those areas do the same.

It's a fact of life, albeit an unpalatable one, that racist attacks by both communities are very common, but they are also very difficult to prove to a point where a conviction is achievable.

The attacks are rarely about territory, they're simply about the presence of a person of a race that is unacceptable to the criminals who see themselves as the 'law' in their respective areas, particularly in the absence of any other law enforcement.

There're always exceptions that prove the rule.

The attacks on others because of 'hoods' or 'manors', territorial attacks, continue to take place alongside and in addition to those stated avove.

Chris, Yorkshire says...
12:22pm Wed 9 Jan 08

mrs walker wrote:
I'm not sure about this. If the criteria is invariably race, why mention a white lad 'from Holme Wood' or an Asian 'from Manningham'. I suggest that white people - from Manningham! - do walk down Carlisle Rd at 11pm on a Saturday night. That's why I think it's more to do with territories -'hoods, manors - call them what you will - rather than race. If you're seen as 'belonging' somewhere, the hassle factor is always reduced.
Because, like it or not, the residents of those areas identify the place they live as being 'asian' and 'white' areas, and those outside those areas do the same.

It's a fact of life, albeit an unpalatable one, that racist attacks by both communities are very common, but they are also very difficult to prove to a point where a conviction is achievable.

The attacks are rarely about territory, they're simply about the presence of a person of a race that is unacceptable to the criminals who see themselves as the 'law' in their respective areas, particularly in the absence of any other law enforcement.

There're always exceptions that prove the rule.

The attacks on others because of 'hoods' or 'manors', territorial attacks, continue to take place alongside and in addition to those stated avove.

Chris, Yorkshire says...
12:22pm Wed 9 Jan 08

mrs walker wrote:
I'm not sure about this. If the criteria is invariably race, why mention a white lad 'from Holme Wood' or an Asian 'from Manningham'. I suggest that white people - from Manningham! - do walk down Carlisle Rd at 11pm on a Saturday night. That's why I think it's more to do with territories -'hoods, manors - call them what you will - rather than race. If you're seen as 'belonging' somewhere, the hassle factor is always reduced.
Because, like it or not, the residents of those areas identify the place they live as being 'asian' and 'white' areas, and those outside those areas do the same.

It's a fact of life, albeit an unpalatable one, that racist attacks by both communities are very common, but they are also very difficult to prove to a point where a conviction is achievable.

The attacks are rarely about territory, they're simply about the presence of a person of a race that is unacceptable to the criminals who see themselves as the 'law' in their respective areas, particularly in the absence of any other law enforcement.

There're always exceptions that prove the rule.

The attacks on others because of 'hoods' or 'manors', territorial attacks, continue to take place alongside and in addition to those stated avove.

mrs walker, round here says...
1:09pm Wed 9 Jan 08

Chris wrote:
mrs walker wrote:
I'm not sure about this. If the criteria is invariably race, why mention a white lad 'from Holme Wood' or an Asian 'from Manningham'. I suggest that white people - from Manningham! - do walk down Carlisle Rd at 11pm on a Saturday night. That's why I think it's more to do with territories -'hoods, manors - call them what you will - rather than race. If you're seen as 'belonging' somewhere, the hassle factor is always reduced.
Because, like it or not, the residents of those areas identify the place they live as being 'asian' and 'white' areas, and those outside those areas do the same.

It's a fact of life, albeit an unpalatable one, that racist attacks by both communities are very common, but they are also very difficult to prove to a point where a conviction is achievable.

The attacks are rarely about territory, they're simply about the presence of a person of a race that is unacceptable to the criminals who see themselves as the 'law' in their respective areas, particularly in the absence of any other law enforcement.

There're always exceptions that prove the rule.

The attacks on others because of 'hoods' or 'manors', territorial attacks, continue to take place alongside and in addition to those stated avove.
I think you're generalizing again. Young men fight - it's the chromosome thing, honest! - and any excuse will do. Take out the youth - a kind of alternative Logan's Run - and all of a sudden, peace in our time! The politicians and religious fanatics - of all faiths! - wouldn't be able to find anyone young and stupid enough to fight for them. Old people only fight when they're drunk. Pass the sherry, loophole ;-)

mrs walker, round here says...
1:09pm Wed 9 Jan 08

Chris wrote:
mrs walker wrote:
I'm not sure about this. If the criteria is invariably race, why mention a white lad 'from Holme Wood' or an Asian 'from Manningham'. I suggest that white people - from Manningham! - do walk down Carlisle Rd at 11pm on a Saturday night. That's why I think it's more to do with territories -'hoods, manors - call them what you will - rather than race. If you're seen as 'belonging' somewhere, the hassle factor is always reduced.
Because, like it or not, the residents of those areas identify the place they live as being 'asian' and 'white' areas, and those outside those areas do the same.

It's a fact of life, albeit an unpalatable one, that racist attacks by both communities are very common, but they are also very difficult to prove to a point where a conviction is achievable.

The attacks are rarely about territory, they're simply about the presence of a person of a race that is unacceptable to the criminals who see themselves as the 'law' in their respective areas, particularly in the absence of any other law enforcement.

There're always exceptions that prove the rule.

The attacks on others because of 'hoods' or 'manors', territorial attacks, continue to take place alongside and in addition to those stated avove.
I think you're generalizing again. Young men fight - it's the chromosome thing, honest! - and any excuse will do. Take out the youth - a kind of alternative Logan's Run - and all of a sudden, peace in our time! The politicians and religious fanatics - of all faiths! - wouldn't be able to find anyone young and stupid enough to fight for them. Old people only fight when they're drunk. Pass the sherry, loophole ;-)

mrs walker, round here says...
1:09pm Wed 9 Jan 08

Chris wrote:
mrs walker wrote:
I'm not sure about this. If the criteria is invariably race, why mention a white lad 'from Holme Wood' or an Asian 'from Manningham'. I suggest that white people - from Manningham! - do walk down Carlisle Rd at 11pm on a Saturday night. That's why I think it's more to do with territories -'hoods, manors - call them what you will - rather than race. If you're seen as 'belonging' somewhere, the hassle factor is always reduced.
Because, like it or not, the residents of those areas identify the place they live as being 'asian' and 'white' areas, and those outside those areas do the same.

It's a fact of life, albeit an unpalatable one, that racist attacks by both communities are very common, but they are also very difficult to prove to a point where a conviction is achievable.

The attacks are rarely about territory, they're simply about the presence of a person of a race that is unacceptable to the criminals who see themselves as the 'law' in their respective areas, particularly in the absence of any other law enforcement.

There're always exceptions that prove the rule.

The attacks on others because of 'hoods' or 'manors', territorial attacks, continue to take place alongside and in addition to those stated avove.
I think you're generalizing again. Young men fight - it's the chromosome thing, honest! - and any excuse will do. Take out the youth - a kind of alternative Logan's Run - and all of a sudden, peace in our time! The politicians and religious fanatics - of all faiths! - wouldn't be able to find anyone young and stupid enough to fight for them. Old people only fight when they're drunk. Pass the sherry, loophole ;-)

mrs walker, round here says...
1:09pm Wed 9 Jan 08

Chris wrote:
mrs walker wrote:
I'm not sure about this. If the criteria is invariably race, why mention a white lad 'from Holme Wood' or an Asian 'from Manningham'. I suggest that white people - from Manningham! - do walk down Carlisle Rd at 11pm on a Saturday night. That's why I think it's more to do with territories -'hoods, manors - call them what you will - rather than race. If you're seen as 'belonging' somewhere, the hassle factor is always reduced.
Because, like it or not, the residents of those areas identify the place they live as being 'asian' and 'white' areas, and those outside those areas do the same.

It's a fact of life, albeit an unpalatable one, that racist attacks by both communities are very common, but they are also very difficult to prove to a point where a conviction is achievable.

The attacks are rarely about territory, they're simply about the presence of a person of a race that is unacceptable to the criminals who see themselves as the 'law' in their respective areas, particularly in the absence of any other law enforcement.

There're always exceptions that prove the rule.

The attacks on others because of 'hoods' or 'manors', territorial attacks, continue to take place alongside and in addition to those stated avove.
I think you're generalizing again. Young men fight - it's the chromosome thing, honest! - and any excuse will do. Take out the youth - a kind of alternative Logan's Run - and all of a sudden, peace in our time! The politicians and religious fanatics - of all faiths! - wouldn't be able to find anyone young and stupid enough to fight for them. Old people only fight when they're drunk. Pass the sherry, loophole ;-)

albion, west riding says...
1:30pm Wed 9 Jan 08

Shall i press "report this post" or will you be self censoring?

albion, west riding says...
1:30pm Wed 9 Jan 08

Shall i press "report this post" or will you be self censoring?

albion, west riding says...
1:30pm Wed 9 Jan 08

Shall i press "report this post" or will you be self censoring?

albion, west riding says...
1:30pm Wed 9 Jan 08

Shall i press "report this post" or will you be self censoring?

Chris, Yorkshire says...
1:51pm Wed 9 Jan 08

Posted by: mrs walker, round here on 1:09pm today

I think you're generalizing again. Young men fight - it's the chromosome thing, honest! - and any excuse will do. Take out the youth - a kind of alternative Logan's Run - and all of a sudden, peace in our time! The politicians and religious fanatics - of all faiths! - wouldn't be able to find anyone young and stupid enough to fight for them. Old people only fight when they're drunk. Pass the sherry, loophole ;-)

******************

Nah, I'm not generalising, just stating facts. But I wish I lived in a world where I saw things through your eyes, I'm sure it must be nice to be oblivious to the dangers of this world even while they're going off all around you.

Now, Amontillado or Oloroso. And how many fingers (that's a measure, not foreplay), you loopy loop'ole?

Chris, Yorkshire says...
1:51pm Wed 9 Jan 08

Posted by: mrs walker, round here on 1:09pm today

I think you're generalizing again. Young men fight - it's the chromosome thing, honest! - and any excuse will do. Take out the youth - a kind of alternative Logan's Run - and all of a sudden, peace in our time! The politicians and religious fanatics - of all faiths! - wouldn't be able to find anyone young and stupid enough to fight for them. Old people only fight when they're drunk. Pass the sherry, loophole ;-)

******************

Nah, I'm not generalising, just stating facts. But I wish I lived in a world where I saw things through your eyes, I'm sure it must be nice to be oblivious to the dangers of this world even while they're going off all around you.

Now, Amontillado or Oloroso. And how many fingers (that's a measure, not foreplay), you loopy loop'ole?

Chris, Yorkshire says...
1:51pm Wed 9 Jan 08

Posted by: mrs walker, round here on 1:09pm today

I think you're generalizing again. Young men fight - it's the chromosome thing, honest! - and any excuse will do. Take out the youth - a kind of alternative Logan's Run - and all of a sudden, peace in our time! The politicians and religious fanatics - of all faiths! - wouldn't be able to find anyone young and stupid enough to fight for them. Old people only fight when they're drunk. Pass the sherry, loophole ;-)

******************

Nah, I'm not generalising, just stating facts. But I wish I lived in a world where I saw things through your eyes, I'm sure it must be nice to be oblivious to the dangers of this world even while they're going off all around you.

Now, Amontillado or Oloroso. And how many fingers (that's a measure, not foreplay), you loopy loop'ole?

Chris, Yorkshire says...
1:51pm Wed 9 Jan 08

Posted by: mrs walker, round here on 1:09pm today

I think you're generalizing again. Young men fight - it's the chromosome thing, honest! - and any excuse will do. Take out the youth - a kind of alternative Logan's Run - and all of a sudden, peace in our time! The politicians and religious fanatics - of all faiths! - wouldn't be able to find anyone young and stupid enough to fight for them. Old people only fight when they're drunk. Pass the sherry, loophole ;-)

******************

Nah, I'm not generalising, just stating facts. But I wish I lived in a world where I saw things through your eyes, I'm sure it must be nice to be oblivious to the dangers of this world even while they're going off all around you.

Now, Amontillado or Oloroso. And how many fingers (that's a measure, not foreplay), you loopy loop'ole?

albion, west riding says...
4:19pm Wed 9 Jan 08

If tour toilet had a bar fitted (so you could get extra leverage) would it be a l******e?

albion, west riding says...
4:19pm Wed 9 Jan 08

If tour toilet had a bar fitted (so you could get extra leverage) would it be a l******e?

albion, west riding says...
4:19pm Wed 9 Jan 08

If tour toilet had a bar fitted (so you could get extra leverage) would it be a l******e?

albion, west riding says...
4:19pm Wed 9 Jan 08

If tour toilet had a bar fitted (so you could get extra leverage) would it be a l******e?

albion, west riding says...
4:22pm Wed 9 Jan 08

Sorry, that should read YOUR. It isnt a touring model yet!

albion, west riding says...
4:22pm Wed 9 Jan 08

Sorry, that should read YOUR. It isnt a touring model yet!

albion, west riding says...
4:22pm Wed 9 Jan 08

Sorry, that should read YOUR. It isnt a touring model yet!

albion, west riding says...
4:22pm Wed 9 Jan 08

Sorry, that should read YOUR. It isnt a touring model yet!

mrs walker, round here says...
5:03pm Wed 9 Jan 08

Lol. Offering me one finger or two? Good job the censors didn't see that. Guess we're unlikely to agree at any time in the forseeable future over these issues.
I'm sure Albion's alternative lexicography of insults will continue to come in handy - if we're not all banned for saying 'l******e'
By the way, that's an idea Albion, having a bar in the loo! - though some of the pubs I've been in smell like there's a loo in the bar so I'm not really sure what the difference would be ;-)

mrs walker, round here says...
5:03pm Wed 9 Jan 08

Lol. Offering me one finger or two? Good job the censors didn't see that. Guess we're unlikely to agree at any time in the forseeable future over these issues.
I'm sure Albion's alternative lexicography of insults will continue to come in handy - if we're not all banned for saying 'l******e'
By the way, that's an idea Albion, having a bar in the loo! - though some of the pubs I've been in smell like there's a loo in the bar so I'm not really sure what the difference would be ;-)

mrs walker, round here says...
5:03pm Wed 9 Jan 08

Lol. Offering me one finger or two? Good job the censors didn't see that. Guess we're unlikely to agree at any time in the forseeable future over these issues.
I'm sure Albion's alternative lexicography of insults will continue to come in handy - if we're not all banned for saying 'l******e'
By the way, that's an idea Albion, having a bar in the loo! - though some of the pubs I've been in smell like there's a loo in the bar so I'm not really sure what the difference would be ;-)

mrs walker, round here says...
5:03pm Wed 9 Jan 08

Lol. Offering me one finger or two? Good job the censors didn't see that. Guess we're unlikely to agree at any time in the forseeable future over these issues.
I'm sure Albion's alternative lexicography of insults will continue to come in handy - if we're not all banned for saying 'l******e'
By the way, that's an idea Albion, having a bar in the loo! - though some of the pubs I've been in smell like there's a loo in the bar so I'm not really sure what the difference would be ;-)

Chris, Yorkshire says...
5:45pm Wed 9 Jan 08

You're probably right. I suspect that somewhere along the way we're different sides of the same coin, but personal experiences shape our opinions.

So, do you feel lucky? Heads or tails? (and no, that's not sexual innuendo either!) >:o)

Chris, Yorkshire says...
5:45pm Wed 9 Jan 08

You're probably right. I suspect that somewhere along the way we're different sides of the same coin, but personal experiences shape our opinions.

So, do you feel lucky? Heads or tails? (and no, that's not sexual innuendo either!) >:o)

Chris, Yorkshire says...
5:45pm Wed 9 Jan 08

You're probably right. I suspect that somewhere along the way we're different sides of the same coin, but personal experiences shape our opinions.

So, do you feel lucky? Heads or tails? (and no, that's not sexual innuendo either!) >:o)

Chris, Yorkshire says...
5:45pm Wed 9 Jan 08

You're probably right. I suspect that somewhere along the way we're different sides of the same coin, but personal experiences shape our opinions.

So, do you feel lucky? Heads or tails? (and no, that's not sexual innuendo either!) >:o)

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