Police accused of failing public for refusing to investigate some crimes

Police accused of failing public for refusing to investigate some crimes

FAILING: Police have been criticised for not investigating some offences, including theft from vehicles

TALKS: Chief Superintendent Simon Atkin, commander of Bradford District Police, has offered to discuss concerns with councillors

CONCERN: Cllr Imran Hussain, the deputy leader of Bradford Council and a member of West Yorkshire Police and Crime Panel

First published in News Bradford Telegraph and Argus: Photograph of the Author by , Crime Reporter

POLICE have been accused of failing the public by a member of the force's own watchdog.

Councillor Michael Walls, a member of West Yorkshire Police and Crime Panel, spoke out after a HM Inspectorate of Constabulary report published yesterday strongly criticised the way the force investigated some crimes.

Cllr Walls said panel members had discussed some of the issues with the HMIC inspector who compiled the report, Roger Baker, at an informal meeting last year.

Some of the matters raised included the use of PCSOs who are not trained or intended to investigate crime; victims being contacted over the phone and asked to do their own crime scene visit; and many reports being written off with no investigation taking place.

The HMIC report states: "During the inspection, HMIC reviewed a number of crime investigations, including reports of crimes that were not attended.

"In certain cases, for crimes such as burglary dwellings, there was clear evidence of investigation and supervision.

"However, for other offences, such as theft from a motor vehicle, many of which were not attended, some cases were found to have little evidence of meaningful investigation or supervision."

Cllr Walls (Con, Queensbury) , a former policeman, said yesterday: "Police refuse to act on so many crimes.

"I investigated a complaint from one of my residents that a PCSO had stood by and watched while a neighbour from hell smashed to pieces a brand new fence and police said it was a civil matter, I complained to the police on their behalf and they were talked out of making a complaint.

"Thefts of huge amounts of money from debit and credit cards are never recorded as crimes, so thousands of crimes and billions of pounds never appear in crime stats.

"Most people do not report crimes, vehicles broken into and damaged are rarely reported as insurance excesses are so high people can not claim and in any case insurance companies don't even ask for a crime number any more.

"I have said for years, if the crime figures were multiplied four times, it may be approaching the true numbers.

"I have had personal experience of a number of crimes where the police failed badly. People tell me that their car has been broken into but they say there is no point in reporting it. Nobody bothers."

Cllr Walls added: "We want to know how the Police and Crime Commissioner is going to deal with this. He is outlining his policing plan for the next year at a panel meeting next week, and I will be asking some tough questions."

Councillor Imran Hussain, Bradford Council deputy leader and fellow member of the Police and Crime Panel, said: "I find it deeply disturbing that this may be happening because I believe that all crime needs to be taken seriously and I have made this view clear at previous meetings of the Police and Crime Panel.

"Criminals often graduate from the sort of lower level crimes referred to by the HMIC on to more serious acquisitive crimes and burglaries so unless we take early action to identify the perpetrators, bring them to justice and rehabilitate them, then we face much bigger social and financial costs later on.

"I will be seeking assurances that West Yorkshire Police will take all crime seriously, encourage people to report it and work with communities to reduce crime and offending."

Police and Crime Commissioner Mark Burns Williamson said he would be seeking assurances from the Chief Constable about the concerns highlighted in the HMIC report as well as asking what was being done to ensure officers are preventing crime rather than just reacting to it.

"We need to ensure we are doing all we can with the resources we have to maintain public confidence in policing," he said.

“Where the police gets it wrong we will try to put things right and I would urge anyone to contact my office where there are instances in West Yorkshire such as those highlighted in the report.”

Chief Superintendent Simon Atkin, the commander of Bradford District Police, said: "We would welcome the opportunity to discuss Cllr Walls' concerns with him further, to help us to continue to improve our service to the communities of Bradford District."

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6:44am Fri 5 Sep 14

theoutsider says...

Same as ever Police never around when needed. Yet you go down an open road a few mph over the speed limit or down a bus lane and they never fail to snap it! and send theyre chitty!. Police view crime in £s and the motorist is the chief criminal the rest of it aint worth Policing. Then theres racial stuff thats only invetigated "one way" because as ever the Police pander to the immigrant community or dare not to go there. Hence the situation in places like Keighley. Know many ex Polce officers in Bradford and policing today is unrecognisible from the 70-80s when they "got stuck in" proper on criminals and investigations. Those cells int Crown Courts could tell a tale or two and more than a few confessions were lets say "extracted" in the interests of justice. We need more Regan and Carter and less Scott n Bailey!.
Same as ever Police never around when needed. Yet you go down an open road a few mph over the speed limit or down a bus lane and they never fail to snap it! and send theyre chitty!. Police view crime in £s and the motorist is the chief criminal the rest of it aint worth Policing. Then theres racial stuff thats only invetigated "one way" because as ever the Police pander to the immigrant community or dare not to go there. Hence the situation in places like Keighley. Know many ex Polce officers in Bradford and policing today is unrecognisible from the 70-80s when they "got stuck in" proper on criminals and investigations. Those cells int Crown Courts could tell a tale or two and more than a few confessions were lets say "extracted" in the interests of justice. We need more Regan and Carter and less Scott n Bailey!. theoutsider
  • Score: 24

7:24am Fri 5 Sep 14

Albion. says...

The overriding message from this report, is that the police are swamped and the public have lost faith in them. I have had some good service from the police on the very few occasions that I've had any involvement with them, but seemingly everyday we read about people being let down by them. There seems to be a widening gulf and reduction in trust between the force and those they (sometimes) serve.
The overriding message from this report, is that the police are swamped and the public have lost faith in them. I have had some good service from the police on the very few occasions that I've had any involvement with them, but seemingly everyday we read about people being let down by them. There seems to be a widening gulf and reduction in trust between the force and those they (sometimes) serve. Albion.
  • Score: 14

7:57am Fri 5 Sep 14

tinytoonster says...

Albion. wrote:
The overriding message from this report, is that the police are swamped and the public have lost faith in them. I have had some good service from the police on the very few occasions that I've had any involvement with them, but seemingly everyday we read about people being let down by them. There seems to be a widening gulf and reduction in trust between the force and those they (sometimes) serve.
police swamped?
best joke yet!
i pulled over in my car at 1.15am to read a text on a quiet street.
i thought i looked suspicious but a police car drove past me without a 2nd glance.
i would not have been upset if questioned, in fact i would have felt they were doing their job asking me!
[quote][p][bold]Albion.[/bold] wrote: The overriding message from this report, is that the police are swamped and the public have lost faith in them. I have had some good service from the police on the very few occasions that I've had any involvement with them, but seemingly everyday we read about people being let down by them. There seems to be a widening gulf and reduction in trust between the force and those they (sometimes) serve.[/p][/quote]police swamped? best joke yet! i pulled over in my car at 1.15am to read a text on a quiet street. i thought i looked suspicious but a police car drove past me without a 2nd glance. i would not have been upset if questioned, in fact i would have felt they were doing their job asking me! tinytoonster
  • Score: 6

8:25am Fri 5 Sep 14

spearmint wino says...

The T&A have nothing to crow about either, their was a car jacking at Richard Dunnes Sports Centre yesterday mid morning and where's their report on that?
The T&A have nothing to crow about either, their was a car jacking at Richard Dunnes Sports Centre yesterday mid morning and where's their report on that? spearmint wino
  • Score: 6

8:47am Fri 5 Sep 14

bd7 helper says...

Lazyness picking and choosing
Lazyness picking and choosing bd7 helper
  • Score: 1

8:52am Fri 5 Sep 14

Victor Clayton says...

your average man will work about 50 years before retirement. a police man 30. IMO., in this day and age it is out of step. if they did 40 years instead it would make a huge difference. I can not understand why, in all the discussions on TV and radio it is never mentioned.
your average man will work about 50 years before retirement. a police man 30. IMO., in this day and age it is out of step. if they did 40 years instead it would make a huge difference. I can not understand why, in all the discussions on TV and radio it is never mentioned. Victor Clayton
  • Score: 8

8:53am Fri 5 Sep 14

llos25 says...

You have to remember the TA is the mouthpiece off the council.

The police in Bradford are under strength thats obvious but they are the service that you pay for that you get very little or nothing in return,they are full of headline catching statements such as we will clean up the City Centre we will do this and that in reality they do nothing except turn away from crime as they cannot be bothered with what they are payed to do.
You have to remember the TA is the mouthpiece off the council. The police in Bradford are under strength thats obvious but they are the service that you pay for that you get very little or nothing in return,they are full of headline catching statements such as we will clean up the City Centre we will do this and that in reality they do nothing except turn away from crime as they cannot be bothered with what they are payed to do. llos25
  • Score: 14

9:22am Fri 5 Sep 14

dellorri says...

You know it might possibly have helped a bit more, if instead of being given VERY expensive Police Commisioners, We still had the 16,000 frontline police officers that were cut from the force, in the name of so-called "Efficiency".
You know it might possibly have helped a bit more, if instead of being given VERY expensive Police Commisioners, We still had the 16,000 frontline police officers that were cut from the force, in the name of so-called "Efficiency". dellorri
  • Score: 23

10:14am Fri 5 Sep 14

Brannigan says...

Some people will never miss an opportunity to denounce the police unfairly and yet be first in the line to call them when they need help.

The Councillor is absolutely right that the police investigation into what many consider as minor crime is very sadly lacking. But the fact is the police do not have the time or resources to do it properly. As cuts continue to bite how long before even more serious crime such as burglary is left un-investigated.

The Councillor would be better employed in his position to focus his attention on the government who are forcing the cuts and lobby for better police resources to benefit all of the community.
Some people will never miss an opportunity to denounce the police unfairly and yet be first in the line to call them when they need help. The Councillor is absolutely right that the police investigation into what many consider as minor crime is very sadly lacking. But the fact is the police do not have the time or resources to do it properly. As cuts continue to bite how long before even more serious crime such as burglary is left un-investigated. The Councillor would be better employed in his position to focus his attention on the government who are forcing the cuts and lobby for better police resources to benefit all of the community. Brannigan
  • Score: 4

10:28am Fri 5 Sep 14

999 number of the beast says...

Roll on privatisation and lets get rid of these useless PCSOS and SC. Waste of time and they reduce confidence in the hapless police service. Remember law and order is a confidence trick which the average Brit abides by, Of course the law doesn't appear to apply when it comes to senior police officers does it.
Also I wish the DDG, (Dixon of Dock Green Brigade stop kidding themselves that the police are some kind of moral good with divine backing. They are not, but flesh and blood like the rest of us mere mortals!
Roll on privatisation and lets get rid of these useless PCSOS and SC. Waste of time and they reduce confidence in the hapless police service. Remember law and order is a confidence trick which the average Brit abides by, Of course the law doesn't appear to apply when it comes to senior police officers does it. Also I wish the DDG, (Dixon of Dock Green Brigade stop kidding themselves that the police are some kind of moral good with divine backing. They are not, but flesh and blood like the rest of us mere mortals! 999 number of the beast
  • Score: -13

10:37am Fri 5 Sep 14

AAA.Happy.Man says...

999 number of the beast wrote:
Roll on privatisation and lets get rid of these useless PCSOS and SC. Waste of time and they reduce confidence in the hapless police service. Remember law and order is a confidence trick which the average Brit abides by, Of course the law doesn't appear to apply when it comes to senior police officers does it.
Also I wish the DDG, (Dixon of Dock Green Brigade stop kidding themselves that the police are some kind of moral good with divine backing. They are not, but flesh and blood like the rest of us mere mortals!
D D G B, perhaps ?
[quote][p][bold]999 number of the beast[/bold] wrote: Roll on privatisation and lets get rid of these useless PCSOS and SC. Waste of time and they reduce confidence in the hapless police service. Remember law and order is a confidence trick which the average Brit abides by, Of course the law doesn't appear to apply when it comes to senior police officers does it. Also I wish the DDG, (Dixon of Dock Green Brigade stop kidding themselves that the police are some kind of moral good with divine backing. They are not, but flesh and blood like the rest of us mere mortals![/p][/quote]D D G B, perhaps ? AAA.Happy.Man
  • Score: 1

10:53am Fri 5 Sep 14

claret or green ? says...

It should not come as any surprise that we are in this situation when for the last decade or so....
(1) under the open door immigration policy of Labour and his Holyness Tony Blair we have become the most crowded country per square mile in Europe.....not all of whom have been of the calibre he envisaged (the Somali killers of PC Sharon Beshenivsky springing immediately to mind) (2) the fact that we have the worst crime rate in Western Europe (contrary to what senior Police chiefs and Home Office Minister's would like you to believe by means of their "imaginative" manipulation of statistics)
(3) officers being re-deployed from front line duties to the Counter Terrorism Unit to tackle the Islamic extremist threat
(4) the systematic rape of the Police Service by Conservative Teresa May and DC which means a massive deterioration in pay and conditions and fewer officers being expected to deal with a greater workload and....
(5) the loss of fine officers every week up and down the land who have decided it is not worth putting their life on the line every day for relatively poor pay and less end of service gratitude and instead have decided their own health and family should come first.
This is the real world we live in and it may only get worst.... as the Police Service lose more and have more heaped upon them. Shame on this so called ex Police Officer councillor for deciding to attack them in such a way. I would be very curious to know in what capacity he served, for how long and why he left ?
It should not come as any surprise that we are in this situation when for the last decade or so.... (1) under the open door immigration policy of Labour and his Holyness Tony Blair we have become the most crowded country per square mile in Europe.....not all of whom have been of the calibre he envisaged (the Somali killers of PC Sharon Beshenivsky springing immediately to mind) (2) the fact that we have the worst crime rate in Western Europe (contrary to what senior Police chiefs and Home Office Minister's would like you to believe by means of their "imaginative" manipulation of statistics) (3) officers being re-deployed from front line duties to the Counter Terrorism Unit to tackle the Islamic extremist threat (4) the systematic rape of the Police Service by Conservative Teresa May and DC which means a massive deterioration in pay and conditions and fewer officers being expected to deal with a greater workload and.... (5) the loss of fine officers every week up and down the land who have decided it is not worth putting their life on the line every day for relatively poor pay and less end of service gratitude and instead have decided their own health and family should come first. This is the real world we live in and it may only get worst.... as the Police Service lose more and have more heaped upon them. Shame on this so called ex Police Officer councillor for deciding to attack them in such a way. I would be very curious to know in what capacity he served, for how long and why he left ? claret or green ?
  • Score: 19

10:57am Fri 5 Sep 14

northern pig says...

Seems to me we need to extend the neighbourhood watch scheme so that we as communities can form vigilante gangs as in BD8 and become self policing. Obviously we would require funding , patrol cars,weapons etc and a change in the law to "stand your ground" as in the USA. It could work and save the country millions of pounds.
Seems to me we need to extend the neighbourhood watch scheme so that we as communities can form vigilante gangs as in BD8 and become self policing. Obviously we would require funding , patrol cars,weapons etc and a change in the law to "stand your ground" as in the USA. It could work and save the country millions of pounds. northern pig
  • Score: 12

11:01am Fri 5 Sep 14

AAA.Happy.Man says...

999 number of the beast wrote:
Roll on privatisation and lets get rid of these useless PCSOS and SC. Waste of time and they reduce confidence in the hapless police service
----------
Privatise the Police : It's been done - Thatcher's Private Army during the Miners' strike?
WE paid, with OUR taxes, for Thatcher to take 1 000s of PCs off their real jobs to beat up OUR comrades, and falsely charge them with crimes they didn't commit.
Look at the poverty, unemployment and social devastation that experiment in privatisation brought about.
Of course G4S could be asked to have a go ?
**...PCSOs = a BRILLIANT introduction - they are now the friendly, accessible, approachable, ''Bobbies on the Beat'' . Three cheers for each and every one of them - a vital and effective link between
999 number of the beast wrote: Roll on privatisation and lets get rid of these useless PCSOS and SC. Waste of time and they reduce confidence in the hapless police service ---------- Privatise the Police : It's been done - Thatcher's Private Army during the Miners' strike? WE paid, with OUR taxes, for Thatcher to take 1 000s of PCs off their real jobs to beat up OUR comrades, and falsely charge them with crimes they didn't commit. Look at the poverty, unemployment and social devastation that experiment in privatisation brought about. Of course G4S could be asked to have a go ? **...PCSOs = a BRILLIANT introduction - they are now the friendly, accessible, approachable, ''Bobbies on the Beat'' . Three cheers for each and every one of them - a vital and effective link between AAA.Happy.Man
  • Score: 2

11:06am Fri 5 Sep 14

Apollo says...

The only job the Police do effectively in Bradford is that of not offending Asians by completely ignoring all crimes committed by them.

At that they excel.

Apart from that they are not fit for purpose as a Police force. They gave up the streets years ago.
The only job the Police do effectively in Bradford is that of not offending Asians by completely ignoring all crimes committed by them. At that they excel. Apart from that they are not fit for purpose as a Police force. They gave up the streets years ago. Apollo
  • Score: 23

11:11am Fri 5 Sep 14

BCFC1911 says...

claret or green ? wrote:
It should not come as any surprise that we are in this situation when for the last decade or so....
(1) under the open door immigration policy of Labour and his Holyness Tony Blair we have become the most crowded country per square mile in Europe.....not all of whom have been of the calibre he envisaged (the Somali killers of PC Sharon Beshenivsky springing immediately to mind) (2) the fact that we have the worst crime rate in Western Europe (contrary to what senior Police chiefs and Home Office Minister's would like you to believe by means of their "imaginative" manipulation of statistics)
(3) officers being re-deployed from front line duties to the Counter Terrorism Unit to tackle the Islamic extremist threat
(4) the systematic rape of the Police Service by Conservative Teresa May and DC which means a massive deterioration in pay and conditions and fewer officers being expected to deal with a greater workload and....
(5) the loss of fine officers every week up and down the land who have decided it is not worth putting their life on the line every day for relatively poor pay and less end of service gratitude and instead have decided their own health and family should come first.
This is the real world we live in and it may only get worst.... as the Police Service lose more and have more heaped upon them. Shame on this so called ex Police Officer councillor for deciding to attack them in such a way. I would be very curious to know in what capacity he served, for how long and why he left ?
Exactly

Immigration is the biggest factor in the number of problems our police force have today.

You only have to watch Traffic cops, Police interceptors and the like to see where their time is generally spent
[quote][p][bold]claret or green ?[/bold] wrote: It should not come as any surprise that we are in this situation when for the last decade or so.... (1) under the open door immigration policy of Labour and his Holyness Tony Blair we have become the most crowded country per square mile in Europe.....not all of whom have been of the calibre he envisaged (the Somali killers of PC Sharon Beshenivsky springing immediately to mind) (2) the fact that we have the worst crime rate in Western Europe (contrary to what senior Police chiefs and Home Office Minister's would like you to believe by means of their "imaginative" manipulation of statistics) (3) officers being re-deployed from front line duties to the Counter Terrorism Unit to tackle the Islamic extremist threat (4) the systematic rape of the Police Service by Conservative Teresa May and DC which means a massive deterioration in pay and conditions and fewer officers being expected to deal with a greater workload and.... (5) the loss of fine officers every week up and down the land who have decided it is not worth putting their life on the line every day for relatively poor pay and less end of service gratitude and instead have decided their own health and family should come first. This is the real world we live in and it may only get worst.... as the Police Service lose more and have more heaped upon them. Shame on this so called ex Police Officer councillor for deciding to attack them in such a way. I would be very curious to know in what capacity he served, for how long and why he left ?[/p][/quote]Exactly Immigration is the biggest factor in the number of problems our police force have today. You only have to watch Traffic cops, Police interceptors and the like to see where their time is generally spent BCFC1911
  • Score: 19

11:13am Fri 5 Sep 14

AAA.Happy.Man says...

northern pig wrote:
Seems to me we need to extend the neighbourhood watch scheme so that we as communities can form vigilante gangs as in BD8 and become self policing. Obviously we would require funding , patrol cars,weapons etc and a change in the law to "stand your ground" as in the USA. It could work and save the country millions of pounds.
WELL SAID, PC NP
I'm away to set up a :
Rapid Response : Corpse Collection, Undertakers and Funeral Directors Service.
I'll make a fortune from all those wrongly ''executed'' or caught in the crossfire.
Special discounts for : children under 5 y old; people carrying white sticks or chair legs; those over 75 y old; anybody who can't sing the National Anthem backwards; ...
[quote][p][bold]northern pig[/bold] wrote: Seems to me we need to extend the neighbourhood watch scheme so that we as communities can form vigilante gangs as in BD8 and become self policing. Obviously we would require funding , patrol cars,weapons etc and a change in the law to "stand your ground" as in the USA. It could work and save the country millions of pounds.[/p][/quote]WELL SAID, PC NP I'm away to set up a : Rapid Response : Corpse Collection, Undertakers and Funeral Directors Service. I'll make a fortune from all those wrongly ''executed'' or caught in the crossfire. Special discounts for : children under 5 y old; people carrying white sticks or chair legs; those over 75 y old; anybody who can't sing the National Anthem backwards; ... AAA.Happy.Man
  • Score: 4

11:20am Fri 5 Sep 14

northern pig says...

AAA.Happy.Man wrote:
northern pig wrote:
Seems to me we need to extend the neighbourhood watch scheme so that we as communities can form vigilante gangs as in BD8 and become self policing. Obviously we would require funding , patrol cars,weapons etc and a change in the law to "stand your ground" as in the USA. It could work and save the country millions of pounds.
WELL SAID, PC NP
I'm away to set up a :
Rapid Response : Corpse Collection, Undertakers and Funeral Directors Service.
I'll make a fortune from all those wrongly ''executed'' or caught in the crossfire.
Special discounts for : children under 5 y old; people carrying white sticks or chair legs; those over 75 y old; anybody who can't sing the National Anthem backwards; ...
Love it!!!
[quote][p][bold]AAA.Happy.Man[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]northern pig[/bold] wrote: Seems to me we need to extend the neighbourhood watch scheme so that we as communities can form vigilante gangs as in BD8 and become self policing. Obviously we would require funding , patrol cars,weapons etc and a change in the law to "stand your ground" as in the USA. It could work and save the country millions of pounds.[/p][/quote]WELL SAID, PC NP I'm away to set up a : Rapid Response : Corpse Collection, Undertakers and Funeral Directors Service. I'll make a fortune from all those wrongly ''executed'' or caught in the crossfire. Special discounts for : children under 5 y old; people carrying white sticks or chair legs; those over 75 y old; anybody who can't sing the National Anthem backwards; ...[/p][/quote]Love it!!! northern pig
  • Score: 3

12:18pm Fri 5 Sep 14

999 number of the beast says...

The police force idea is a Victorian idea which stinks like our sewage system and both ideas need overhauling. I can't understand why the same people who don't trust politicians blindly trust an opaque organisation like the police.
The police force idea is a Victorian idea which stinks like our sewage system and both ideas need overhauling. I can't understand why the same people who don't trust politicians blindly trust an opaque organisation like the police. 999 number of the beast
  • Score: 6

12:42pm Fri 5 Sep 14

AAA.Happy.Man says...

999 number of the beast wrote:
The police force idea is a Victorian idea which stinks like our sewage system and both ideas need overhauling. I can't understand why the same people who don't trust politicians blindly trust an opaque organisation like the police.
Who says that they do?
[quote][p][bold]999 number of the beast[/bold] wrote: The police force idea is a Victorian idea which stinks like our sewage system and both ideas need overhauling. I can't understand why the same people who don't trust politicians blindly trust an opaque organisation like the police.[/p][/quote]Who says that they do? AAA.Happy.Man
  • Score: 6

1:53pm Fri 5 Sep 14

llos25 says...

claret or green ? wrote:
It should not come as any surprise that we are in this situation when for the last decade or so....
(1) under the open door immigration policy of Labour and his Holyness Tony Blair we have become the most crowded country per square mile in Europe.....not all of whom have been of the calibre he envisaged (the Somali killers of PC Sharon Beshenivsky springing immediately to mind) (2) the fact that we have the worst crime rate in Western Europe (contrary to what senior Police chiefs and Home Office Minister's would like you to believe by means of their "imaginative" manipulation of statistics)
(3) officers being re-deployed from front line duties to the Counter Terrorism Unit to tackle the Islamic extremist threat
(4) the systematic rape of the Police Service by Conservative Teresa May and DC which means a massive deterioration in pay and conditions and fewer officers being expected to deal with a greater workload and....
(5) the loss of fine officers every week up and down the land who have decided it is not worth putting their life on the line every day for relatively poor pay and less end of service gratitude and instead have decided their own health and family should come first.
This is the real world we live in and it may only get worst.... as the Police Service lose more and have more heaped upon them. Shame on this so called ex Police Officer councillor for deciding to attack them in such a way. I would be very curious to know in what capacity he served, for how long and why he left ?
Your first statement is incorrect .
[quote][p][bold]claret or green ?[/bold] wrote: It should not come as any surprise that we are in this situation when for the last decade or so.... (1) under the open door immigration policy of Labour and his Holyness Tony Blair we have become the most crowded country per square mile in Europe.....not all of whom have been of the calibre he envisaged (the Somali killers of PC Sharon Beshenivsky springing immediately to mind) (2) the fact that we have the worst crime rate in Western Europe (contrary to what senior Police chiefs and Home Office Minister's would like you to believe by means of their "imaginative" manipulation of statistics) (3) officers being re-deployed from front line duties to the Counter Terrorism Unit to tackle the Islamic extremist threat (4) the systematic rape of the Police Service by Conservative Teresa May and DC which means a massive deterioration in pay and conditions and fewer officers being expected to deal with a greater workload and.... (5) the loss of fine officers every week up and down the land who have decided it is not worth putting their life on the line every day for relatively poor pay and less end of service gratitude and instead have decided their own health and family should come first. This is the real world we live in and it may only get worst.... as the Police Service lose more and have more heaped upon them. Shame on this so called ex Police Officer councillor for deciding to attack them in such a way. I would be very curious to know in what capacity he served, for how long and why he left ?[/p][/quote]Your first statement is incorrect . llos25
  • Score: 0

1:55pm Fri 5 Sep 14

Gardener43 says...

I had two online fraud transactions made on my bank account and did some investigating. As a result I was able to get the name and delivery address for the goods (in Sowerby Bridge, so fairly local) and all this within 2 hours of first seeing the transaction on my account. I called up to Javelin House in the car, with all the info I had obtained and was told they didn't have a car free.I said I was more than willing to drive a constable to the address and was then told 'Well, we don't really deal with it like that. Fill in the fraud form with your bank and we will get the info in about 6 weeks and then we will deal with it!'. So I went home, fuming. I then thought, maybe the local station for the delivery address would be interested in doing something about it. So I phoned the station in Halifax, explained everything, and they weren't even interested in recording any of what I said, or even making a note of an address on their patch that was receiving stolen goods.
April this year, we had a laptop stolen from the car (husband left it in the boot on our drive, overnight!). He was able to log onto it remotely and saw that it had used a BT landline at 3am the same night and recorded the IP address (I am not a techy, so maybe this sounds rubbish). The end result was that a landline was used, which could have traced the stolen laptop to an address. Were the police interested? No. Not interested in any aspect of what had been discovered at all. So even if you do all the legwork yourself, you will still get a dismal response from the police.
I have witnessed house burglaries, that I have had to intervene in myself (took the dog with me as I am only small and female) because 'It's not an offence to walk up someone's drive with a screwdriver hidden in your jacket pocket'. I've experienced the police turning up 12 hours after I phoned to say 2 lads were sitting in my garden at 5am, going through the booty they had clearly stolen from someone's shed. I could go on with many more personal experiences of lack lustre effort from our police force, but I can feel myself steaming, so I think I shall go have a coffee and calm down.
I had two online fraud transactions made on my bank account and did some investigating. As a result I was able to get the name and delivery address for the goods (in Sowerby Bridge, so fairly local) and all this within 2 hours of first seeing the transaction on my account. I called up to Javelin House in the car, with all the info I had obtained and was told they didn't have a car free.I said I was more than willing to drive a constable to the address and was then told 'Well, we don't really deal with it like that. Fill in the fraud form with your bank and we will get the info in about 6 weeks and then we will deal with it!'. So I went home, fuming. I then thought, maybe the local station for the delivery address would be interested in doing something about it. So I phoned the station in Halifax, explained everything, and they weren't even interested in recording any of what I said, or even making a note of an address on their patch that was receiving stolen goods. April this year, we had a laptop stolen from the car (husband left it in the boot on our drive, overnight!). He was able to log onto it remotely and saw that it had used a BT landline at 3am the same night and recorded the IP address (I am not a techy, so maybe this sounds rubbish). The end result was that a landline was used, which could have traced the stolen laptop to an address. Were the police interested? No. Not interested in any aspect of what had been discovered at all. So even if you do all the legwork yourself, you will still get a dismal response from the police. I have witnessed house burglaries, that I have had to intervene in myself (took the dog with me as I am only small and female) because 'It's not an offence to walk up someone's drive with a screwdriver hidden in your jacket pocket'. I've experienced the police turning up 12 hours after I phoned to say 2 lads were sitting in my garden at 5am, going through the booty they had clearly stolen from someone's shed. I could go on with many more personal experiences of lack lustre effort from our police force, but I can feel myself steaming, so I think I shall go have a coffee and calm down. Gardener43
  • Score: 23

2:11pm Fri 5 Sep 14

claret or green ? says...

llos25 wrote:
claret or green ? wrote:
It should not come as any surprise that we are in this situation when for the last decade or so....
(1) under the open door immigration policy of Labour and his Holyness Tony Blair we have become the most crowded country per square mile in Europe.....not all of whom have been of the calibre he envisaged (the Somali killers of PC Sharon Beshenivsky springing immediately to mind) (2) the fact that we have the worst crime rate in Western Europe (contrary to what senior Police chiefs and Home Office Minister's would like you to believe by means of their "imaginative" manipulation of statistics)
(3) officers being re-deployed from front line duties to the Counter Terrorism Unit to tackle the Islamic extremist threat
(4) the systematic rape of the Police Service by Conservative Teresa May and DC which means a massive deterioration in pay and conditions and fewer officers being expected to deal with a greater workload and....
(5) the loss of fine officers every week up and down the land who have decided it is not worth putting their life on the line every day for relatively poor pay and less end of service gratitude and instead have decided their own health and family should come first.
This is the real world we live in and it may only get worst.... as the Police Service lose more and have more heaped upon them. Shame on this so called ex Police Officer councillor for deciding to attack them in such a way. I would be very curious to know in what capacity he served, for how long and why he left ?
Your first statement is incorrect .
Is that it ? .... or are you going to contribute something of value to the discussion ?
I correct myself.... behind Malta, that hotbed of crime, England is the most densely populated country in Europe...having overtaken the Netherlands several years back. The reasons behind that and the parties responsible for that situation are well documented.
[quote][p][bold]llos25[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]claret or green ?[/bold] wrote: It should not come as any surprise that we are in this situation when for the last decade or so.... (1) under the open door immigration policy of Labour and his Holyness Tony Blair we have become the most crowded country per square mile in Europe.....not all of whom have been of the calibre he envisaged (the Somali killers of PC Sharon Beshenivsky springing immediately to mind) (2) the fact that we have the worst crime rate in Western Europe (contrary to what senior Police chiefs and Home Office Minister's would like you to believe by means of their "imaginative" manipulation of statistics) (3) officers being re-deployed from front line duties to the Counter Terrorism Unit to tackle the Islamic extremist threat (4) the systematic rape of the Police Service by Conservative Teresa May and DC which means a massive deterioration in pay and conditions and fewer officers being expected to deal with a greater workload and.... (5) the loss of fine officers every week up and down the land who have decided it is not worth putting their life on the line every day for relatively poor pay and less end of service gratitude and instead have decided their own health and family should come first. This is the real world we live in and it may only get worst.... as the Police Service lose more and have more heaped upon them. Shame on this so called ex Police Officer councillor for deciding to attack them in such a way. I would be very curious to know in what capacity he served, for how long and why he left ?[/p][/quote]Your first statement is incorrect .[/p][/quote]Is that it ? .... or are you going to contribute something of value to the discussion ? I correct myself.... behind Malta, that hotbed of crime, England is the most densely populated country in Europe...having overtaken the Netherlands several years back. The reasons behind that and the parties responsible for that situation are well documented. claret or green ?
  • Score: 10

2:15pm Fri 5 Sep 14

claret or green ? says...

llos25 wrote:
claret or green ? wrote:
It should not come as any surprise that we are in this situation when for the last decade or so....
(1) under the open door immigration policy of Labour and his Holyness Tony Blair we have become the most crowded country per square mile in Europe.....not all of whom have been of the calibre he envisaged (the Somali killers of PC Sharon Beshenivsky springing immediately to mind) (2) the fact that we have the worst crime rate in Western Europe (contrary to what senior Police chiefs and Home Office Minister's would like you to believe by means of their "imaginative" manipulation of statistics)
(3) officers being re-deployed from front line duties to the Counter Terrorism Unit to tackle the Islamic extremist threat
(4) the systematic rape of the Police Service by Conservative Teresa May and DC which means a massive deterioration in pay and conditions and fewer officers being expected to deal with a greater workload and....
(5) the loss of fine officers every week up and down the land who have decided it is not worth putting their life on the line every day for relatively poor pay and less end of service gratitude and instead have decided their own health and family should come first.
This is the real world we live in and it may only get worst.... as the Police Service lose more and have more heaped upon them. Shame on this so called ex Police Officer councillor for deciding to attack them in such a way. I would be very curious to know in what capacity he served, for how long and why he left ?
Your first statement is incorrect .
is that it ? .... or are you going to contribute to the debate ?
Apologies, behind that populous crime riddled island of Malta, England is the most densely populated country in Europe, having overtaken the Netherlands under the previous administration.
[quote][p][bold]llos25[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]claret or green ?[/bold] wrote: It should not come as any surprise that we are in this situation when for the last decade or so.... (1) under the open door immigration policy of Labour and his Holyness Tony Blair we have become the most crowded country per square mile in Europe.....not all of whom have been of the calibre he envisaged (the Somali killers of PC Sharon Beshenivsky springing immediately to mind) (2) the fact that we have the worst crime rate in Western Europe (contrary to what senior Police chiefs and Home Office Minister's would like you to believe by means of their "imaginative" manipulation of statistics) (3) officers being re-deployed from front line duties to the Counter Terrorism Unit to tackle the Islamic extremist threat (4) the systematic rape of the Police Service by Conservative Teresa May and DC which means a massive deterioration in pay and conditions and fewer officers being expected to deal with a greater workload and.... (5) the loss of fine officers every week up and down the land who have decided it is not worth putting their life on the line every day for relatively poor pay and less end of service gratitude and instead have decided their own health and family should come first. This is the real world we live in and it may only get worst.... as the Police Service lose more and have more heaped upon them. Shame on this so called ex Police Officer councillor for deciding to attack them in such a way. I would be very curious to know in what capacity he served, for how long and why he left ?[/p][/quote]Your first statement is incorrect .[/p][/quote]is that it ? .... or are you going to contribute to the debate ? Apologies, behind that populous crime riddled island of Malta, England is the most densely populated country in Europe, having overtaken the Netherlands under the previous administration. claret or green ?
  • Score: 0

5:01pm Fri 5 Sep 14

RomeoTango says...

How refreshing to see such positive comments about the police.
How refreshing to see such positive comments about the police. RomeoTango
  • Score: -2

5:45pm Fri 5 Sep 14

llos25 says...

claret or green ? wrote:
llos25 wrote:
claret or green ? wrote:
It should not come as any surprise that we are in this situation when for the last decade or so....
(1) under the open door immigration policy of Labour and his Holyness Tony Blair we have become the most crowded country per square mile in Europe.....not all of whom have been of the calibre he envisaged (the Somali killers of PC Sharon Beshenivsky springing immediately to mind) (2) the fact that we have the worst crime rate in Western Europe (contrary to what senior Police chiefs and Home Office Minister's would like you to believe by means of their "imaginative" manipulation of statistics)
(3) officers being re-deployed from front line duties to the Counter Terrorism Unit to tackle the Islamic extremist threat
(4) the systematic rape of the Police Service by Conservative Teresa May and DC which means a massive deterioration in pay and conditions and fewer officers being expected to deal with a greater workload and....
(5) the loss of fine officers every week up and down the land who have decided it is not worth putting their life on the line every day for relatively poor pay and less end of service gratitude and instead have decided their own health and family should come first.
This is the real world we live in and it may only get worst.... as the Police Service lose more and have more heaped upon them. Shame on this so called ex Police Officer councillor for deciding to attack them in such a way. I would be very curious to know in what capacity he served, for how long and why he left ?
Your first statement is incorrect .
is that it ? .... or are you going to contribute to the debate ?
Apologies, behind that populous crime riddled island of Malta, England is the most densely populated country in Europe, having overtaken the Netherlands under the previous administration.
If you cannot get your first statement correct then the others are probably a little dubious as well.
get your facts correct and people might take notice of you.
If you bothered to read the paper and comments my views about the police are well known.
[quote][p][bold]claret or green ?[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]llos25[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]claret or green ?[/bold] wrote: It should not come as any surprise that we are in this situation when for the last decade or so.... (1) under the open door immigration policy of Labour and his Holyness Tony Blair we have become the most crowded country per square mile in Europe.....not all of whom have been of the calibre he envisaged (the Somali killers of PC Sharon Beshenivsky springing immediately to mind) (2) the fact that we have the worst crime rate in Western Europe (contrary to what senior Police chiefs and Home Office Minister's would like you to believe by means of their "imaginative" manipulation of statistics) (3) officers being re-deployed from front line duties to the Counter Terrorism Unit to tackle the Islamic extremist threat (4) the systematic rape of the Police Service by Conservative Teresa May and DC which means a massive deterioration in pay and conditions and fewer officers being expected to deal with a greater workload and.... (5) the loss of fine officers every week up and down the land who have decided it is not worth putting their life on the line every day for relatively poor pay and less end of service gratitude and instead have decided their own health and family should come first. This is the real world we live in and it may only get worst.... as the Police Service lose more and have more heaped upon them. Shame on this so called ex Police Officer councillor for deciding to attack them in such a way. I would be very curious to know in what capacity he served, for how long and why he left ?[/p][/quote]Your first statement is incorrect .[/p][/quote]is that it ? .... or are you going to contribute to the debate ? Apologies, behind that populous crime riddled island of Malta, England is the most densely populated country in Europe, having overtaken the Netherlands under the previous administration.[/p][/quote]If you cannot get your first statement correct then the others are probably a little dubious as well. get your facts correct and people might take notice of you. If you bothered to read the paper and comments my views about the police are well known. llos25
  • Score: -9

6:12pm Fri 5 Sep 14

Juice Terry says...

claret or green ? wrote:
It should not come as any surprise that we are in this situation when for the last decade or so....
(1) under the open door immigration policy of Labour and his Holyness Tony Blair we have become the most crowded country per square mile in Europe.....not all of whom have been of the calibre he envisaged (the Somali killers of PC Sharon Beshenivsky springing immediately to mind) (2) the fact that we have the worst crime rate in Western Europe (contrary to what senior Police chiefs and Home Office Minister's would like you to believe by means of their "imaginative" manipulation of statistics)
(3) officers being re-deployed from front line duties to the Counter Terrorism Unit to tackle the Islamic extremist threat
(4) the systematic rape of the Police Service by Conservative Teresa May and DC which means a massive deterioration in pay and conditions and fewer officers being expected to deal with a greater workload and....
(5) the loss of fine officers every week up and down the land who have decided it is not worth putting their life on the line every day for relatively poor pay and less end of service gratitude and instead have decided their own health and family should come first.
This is the real world we live in and it may only get worst.... as the Police Service lose more and have more heaped upon them. Shame on this so called ex Police Officer councillor for deciding to attack them in such a way. I would be very curious to know in what capacity he served, for how long and why he left ?
We are not the most crowded per square mile. You're either making it up or stealing Daily Express headlines. http://simple.wikipe
dia.org/wiki/List_of
_countries_by_popula
tion_density
[quote][p][bold]claret or green ?[/bold] wrote: It should not come as any surprise that we are in this situation when for the last decade or so.... (1) under the open door immigration policy of Labour and his Holyness Tony Blair we have become the most crowded country per square mile in Europe.....not all of whom have been of the calibre he envisaged (the Somali killers of PC Sharon Beshenivsky springing immediately to mind) (2) the fact that we have the worst crime rate in Western Europe (contrary to what senior Police chiefs and Home Office Minister's would like you to believe by means of their "imaginative" manipulation of statistics) (3) officers being re-deployed from front line duties to the Counter Terrorism Unit to tackle the Islamic extremist threat (4) the systematic rape of the Police Service by Conservative Teresa May and DC which means a massive deterioration in pay and conditions and fewer officers being expected to deal with a greater workload and.... (5) the loss of fine officers every week up and down the land who have decided it is not worth putting their life on the line every day for relatively poor pay and less end of service gratitude and instead have decided their own health and family should come first. This is the real world we live in and it may only get worst.... as the Police Service lose more and have more heaped upon them. Shame on this so called ex Police Officer councillor for deciding to attack them in such a way. I would be very curious to know in what capacity he served, for how long and why he left ?[/p][/quote]We are not the most crowded per square mile. You're either making it up or stealing Daily Express headlines. http://simple.wikipe dia.org/wiki/List_of _countries_by_popula tion_density Juice Terry
  • Score: -1

9:09am Sat 6 Sep 14

TelegraphCommentor says...

I agree with a lot of the comments above but as a mum of a PCSO I would like to share that they do long shifts, choiceless overtime and increasing workloads above and beyond what the Government originally intended them to cover.
The comments about how long we wait for someone to come out after reporting a crime are correct however so are the comments about wasted police time on so called petty issues.
If the public reported less broken flowerpots and stolen garden flowers maybe more time could be spared for more pressing issues
I agree with a lot of the comments above but as a mum of a PCSO I would like to share that they do long shifts, choiceless overtime and increasing workloads above and beyond what the Government originally intended them to cover. The comments about how long we wait for someone to come out after reporting a crime are correct however so are the comments about wasted police time on so called petty issues. If the public reported less broken flowerpots and stolen garden flowers maybe more time could be spared for more pressing issues TelegraphCommentor
  • Score: 3

10:41am Sat 6 Sep 14

Albion. says...

TelegraphCommentor wrote:
I agree with a lot of the comments above but as a mum of a PCSO I would like to share that they do long shifts, choiceless overtime and increasing workloads above and beyond what the Government originally intended them to cover.
The comments about how long we wait for someone to come out after reporting a crime are correct however so are the comments about wasted police time on so called petty issues.
If the public reported less broken flowerpots and stolen garden flowers maybe more time could be spared for more pressing issues
Shouldn't that be dependent on the circumstances leading to said flowerpot being broken?
[quote][p][bold]TelegraphCommentor[/bold] wrote: I agree with a lot of the comments above but as a mum of a PCSO I would like to share that they do long shifts, choiceless overtime and increasing workloads above and beyond what the Government originally intended them to cover. The comments about how long we wait for someone to come out after reporting a crime are correct however so are the comments about wasted police time on so called petty issues. If the public reported less broken flowerpots and stolen garden flowers maybe more time could be spared for more pressing issues[/p][/quote]Shouldn't that be dependent on the circumstances leading to said flowerpot being broken? Albion.
  • Score: 4

2:25pm Sat 6 Sep 14

MontyLeMar says...

I fear that if the police investigated and logged every crime reported to them then people would start to think society was breaking down. So they pick and choose the crimes they investigate no doubt because they don't have the same manpower they used to. We need government to clarify exactly what a crime is and then provide the resources to allow the police to do their job. You can't blame the police for fiddling the figures, this government also fiddles figures so they are shown in a better light.
I fear that if the police investigated and logged every crime reported to them then people would start to think society was breaking down. So they pick and choose the crimes they investigate no doubt because they don't have the same manpower they used to. We need government to clarify exactly what a crime is and then provide the resources to allow the police to do their job. You can't blame the police for fiddling the figures, this government also fiddles figures so they are shown in a better light. MontyLeMar
  • Score: 0

10:09pm Sun 7 Sep 14

claret or green ? says...

Juice Terry wrote:
claret or green ? wrote:
It should not come as any surprise that we are in this situation when for the last decade or so....
(1) under the open door immigration policy of Labour and his Holyness Tony Blair we have become the most crowded country per square mile in Europe.....not all of whom have been of the calibre he envisaged (the Somali killers of PC Sharon Beshenivsky springing immediately to mind) (2) the fact that we have the worst crime rate in Western Europe (contrary to what senior Police chiefs and Home Office Minister's would like you to believe by means of their "imaginative" manipulation of statistics)
(3) officers being re-deployed from front line duties to the Counter Terrorism Unit to tackle the Islamic extremist threat
(4) the systematic rape of the Police Service by Conservative Teresa May and DC which means a massive deterioration in pay and conditions and fewer officers being expected to deal with a greater workload and....
(5) the loss of fine officers every week up and down the land who have decided it is not worth putting their life on the line every day for relatively poor pay and less end of service gratitude and instead have decided their own health and family should come first.
This is the real world we live in and it may only get worst.... as the Police Service lose more and have more heaped upon them. Shame on this so called ex Police Officer councillor for deciding to attack them in such a way. I would be very curious to know in what capacity he served, for how long and why he left ?
We are not the most crowded per square mile. You're either making it up or stealing Daily Express headlines. http://simple.wikipe

dia.org/wiki/List_of

_countries_by_popula

tion_density
Well enlighten me Juice Terry..... beyond the tiny Island of Malta, which is the most densely populated country in Europe ? There's little point in suggesting I'm wrong, if you yourself won't correct me with the right answer. Or are you just a head in the sand liberal who doesn't want to hear the truth and see's anyone making a comment you don't like to hear concerning immigration as a threat and just chooses to dismiss them as a right wing Express or Mail reading loony (I did not source my facts from either btw) or racist ? Well , you insult the intelligence of the majority of free thinging English men and women with your feeble attempt at a smokescreen.... they will make there own minds up.
[quote][p][bold]Juice Terry[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]claret or green ?[/bold] wrote: It should not come as any surprise that we are in this situation when for the last decade or so.... (1) under the open door immigration policy of Labour and his Holyness Tony Blair we have become the most crowded country per square mile in Europe.....not all of whom have been of the calibre he envisaged (the Somali killers of PC Sharon Beshenivsky springing immediately to mind) (2) the fact that we have the worst crime rate in Western Europe (contrary to what senior Police chiefs and Home Office Minister's would like you to believe by means of their "imaginative" manipulation of statistics) (3) officers being re-deployed from front line duties to the Counter Terrorism Unit to tackle the Islamic extremist threat (4) the systematic rape of the Police Service by Conservative Teresa May and DC which means a massive deterioration in pay and conditions and fewer officers being expected to deal with a greater workload and.... (5) the loss of fine officers every week up and down the land who have decided it is not worth putting their life on the line every day for relatively poor pay and less end of service gratitude and instead have decided their own health and family should come first. This is the real world we live in and it may only get worst.... as the Police Service lose more and have more heaped upon them. Shame on this so called ex Police Officer councillor for deciding to attack them in such a way. I would be very curious to know in what capacity he served, for how long and why he left ?[/p][/quote]We are not the most crowded per square mile. You're either making it up or stealing Daily Express headlines. http://simple.wikipe dia.org/wiki/List_of _countries_by_popula tion_density[/p][/quote]Well enlighten me Juice Terry..... beyond the tiny Island of Malta, which is the most densely populated country in Europe ? There's little point in suggesting I'm wrong, if you yourself won't correct me with the right answer. Or are you just a head in the sand liberal who doesn't want to hear the truth and see's anyone making a comment you don't like to hear concerning immigration as a threat and just chooses to dismiss them as a right wing Express or Mail reading loony (I did not source my facts from either btw) or racist ? Well , you insult the intelligence of the majority of free thinging English men and women with your feeble attempt at a smokescreen.... they will make there own minds up. claret or green ?
  • Score: 2

10:17pm Sun 7 Sep 14

claret or green ? says...

llos25 wrote:
claret or green ? wrote:
llos25 wrote:
claret or green ? wrote:
It should not come as any surprise that we are in this situation when for the last decade or so....
(1) under the open door immigration policy of Labour and his Holyness Tony Blair we have become the most crowded country per square mile in Europe.....not all of whom have been of the calibre he envisaged (the Somali killers of PC Sharon Beshenivsky springing immediately to mind) (2) the fact that we have the worst crime rate in Western Europe (contrary to what senior Police chiefs and Home Office Minister's would like you to believe by means of their "imaginative" manipulation of statistics)
(3) officers being re-deployed from front line duties to the Counter Terrorism Unit to tackle the Islamic extremist threat
(4) the systematic rape of the Police Service by Conservative Teresa May and DC which means a massive deterioration in pay and conditions and fewer officers being expected to deal with a greater workload and....
(5) the loss of fine officers every week up and down the land who have decided it is not worth putting their life on the line every day for relatively poor pay and less end of service gratitude and instead have decided their own health and family should come first.
This is the real world we live in and it may only get worst.... as the Police Service lose more and have more heaped upon them. Shame on this so called ex Police Officer councillor for deciding to attack them in such a way. I would be very curious to know in what capacity he served, for how long and why he left ?
Your first statement is incorrect .
is that it ? .... or are you going to contribute to the debate ?
Apologies, behind that populous crime riddled island of Malta, England is the most densely populated country in Europe, having overtaken the Netherlands under the previous administration.
If you cannot get your first statement correct then the others are probably a little dubious as well.
get your facts correct and people might take notice of you.
If you bothered to read the paper and comments my views about the police are well known.
So because I neglected to consider Malta in my assertion, my other facts are "probably" incorrect ? Again you are light on detail, but at least you are honest enough to say you have a beef with the Police. But if you cannot be bothered to source and quote facts, just choose to knock other contributions without qualifying your statement, why should I bother getting into a spat with a "Billy Goat" fearing "contributor" to the debate ?
[quote][p][bold]llos25[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]claret or green ?[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]llos25[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]claret or green ?[/bold] wrote: It should not come as any surprise that we are in this situation when for the last decade or so.... (1) under the open door immigration policy of Labour and his Holyness Tony Blair we have become the most crowded country per square mile in Europe.....not all of whom have been of the calibre he envisaged (the Somali killers of PC Sharon Beshenivsky springing immediately to mind) (2) the fact that we have the worst crime rate in Western Europe (contrary to what senior Police chiefs and Home Office Minister's would like you to believe by means of their "imaginative" manipulation of statistics) (3) officers being re-deployed from front line duties to the Counter Terrorism Unit to tackle the Islamic extremist threat (4) the systematic rape of the Police Service by Conservative Teresa May and DC which means a massive deterioration in pay and conditions and fewer officers being expected to deal with a greater workload and.... (5) the loss of fine officers every week up and down the land who have decided it is not worth putting their life on the line every day for relatively poor pay and less end of service gratitude and instead have decided their own health and family should come first. This is the real world we live in and it may only get worst.... as the Police Service lose more and have more heaped upon them. Shame on this so called ex Police Officer councillor for deciding to attack them in such a way. I would be very curious to know in what capacity he served, for how long and why he left ?[/p][/quote]Your first statement is incorrect .[/p][/quote]is that it ? .... or are you going to contribute to the debate ? Apologies, behind that populous crime riddled island of Malta, England is the most densely populated country in Europe, having overtaken the Netherlands under the previous administration.[/p][/quote]If you cannot get your first statement correct then the others are probably a little dubious as well. get your facts correct and people might take notice of you. If you bothered to read the paper and comments my views about the police are well known.[/p][/quote]So because I neglected to consider Malta in my assertion, my other facts are "probably" incorrect ? Again you are light on detail, but at least you are honest enough to say you have a beef with the Police. But if you cannot be bothered to source and quote facts, just choose to knock other contributions without qualifying your statement, why should I bother getting into a spat with a "Billy Goat" fearing "contributor" to the debate ? claret or green ?
  • Score: 0

12:05am Mon 8 Sep 14

Hardcastle-Brown says...

Whilst acknowledging the Police are far from perfect and there are things they can do better, I would expect a Councillor sitting on the West Yorkshire Police and Crime Panel, and himself a former Police Constable, to have more knowledge of the difficulties faced by the Police today. It is one of those jobs that everyone thinks they can do better, whilst having little or no idea of ALL it entails.
Between 31/3/2010 and 31/3/2015 West Yorkshire Police will have lost 1865 staff, as a direct result of the Government cuts to the public sector.
There is no way any public sector service can be cut to such an extent without it affecting the front line services, no matter what Politicians may say. Politicians will tell you that it is so called "back room jobs" that have been sacrificed, but those "back room jobs" still have to be done, and all that mean is that the front line staff end up doing them, on top of the responsibilities they had before. It means the Police have to prioritise incidents, and it is the absolute truth that once someone needs the Police, for any reason, their incident is a priority in their eyes. It is also the absolute truth that when something comes to light such as the Savile scandal, politicians and the media want the Police to prioritise those incidents, until of course, tomorrow comes and something else happens that is yet another political hot potato! Hence, the similar problems with the NHS, Fire Service, Social Services, Education, etc, etc. You cannot get a quart out of a pint pot!
I would also expect Councillor Walls to have some idea of the role and training of PCSOs and not to criticise them for "standing by and doing nothing" whilst a fence was allegedly being damaged. PCSOs here do not have powers of arrest (nor should they have) they are not trained to deal with such incidents, neither are they insured, so it is wrong of him to claim otherwise.
Times have changed a great deal since Councillor Walls wore a Police uniform, but even in the much quieter period when he did, he spent a considerable amount of his service not investigating crime on the front line, but as a radio operator in the Communications Department. A Department where he dispatched other people to deal with the jobs he couldn't or didn't want to deal with. He is hardly in a position to comment on how Police investigate crime, as his own investigative skills are questionable. Interestingly, civilian support staff now perform the role that he did.
As one reader had said, Councillor Walls would do better to desist from cheap politically motivated jibes at an organisation which is struggling to provide a service because of the policies of his own party in Central Government. He should try to improve things for his electorate by lobbying his party in Government to ease the cuts to all public services, who after all, are not responsible for the deficit, but are being punished, along with all of us who use those services.
Instead of negative criticism, how about some positive support and actions to try to make things better? Perhaps he should spend some time with the Police on patrol, and wake up to the realities of what they have to face, with drastically reduced resources. He would find it an alien world from the cosy one he occupied, but he just might then be in a position to pass credible comment.
Whilst acknowledging the Police are far from perfect and there are things they can do better, I would expect a Councillor sitting on the West Yorkshire Police and Crime Panel, and himself a former Police Constable, to have more knowledge of the difficulties faced by the Police today. It is one of those jobs that everyone thinks they can do better, whilst having little or no idea of ALL it entails. Between 31/3/2010 and 31/3/2015 West Yorkshire Police will have lost 1865 staff, as a direct result of the Government cuts to the public sector. There is no way any public sector service can be cut to such an extent without it affecting the front line services, no matter what Politicians may say. Politicians will tell you that it is so called "back room jobs" that have been sacrificed, but those "back room jobs" still have to be done, and all that mean is that the front line staff end up doing them, on top of the responsibilities they had before. It means the Police have to prioritise incidents, and it is the absolute truth that once someone needs the Police, for any reason, their incident is a priority in their eyes. It is also the absolute truth that when something comes to light such as the Savile scandal, politicians and the media want the Police to prioritise those incidents, until of course, tomorrow comes and something else happens that is yet another political hot potato! Hence, the similar problems with the NHS, Fire Service, Social Services, Education, etc, etc. You cannot get a quart out of a pint pot! I would also expect Councillor Walls to have some idea of the role and training of PCSOs and not to criticise them for "standing by and doing nothing" whilst a fence was allegedly being damaged. PCSOs here do not have powers of arrest (nor should they have) they are not trained to deal with such incidents, neither are they insured, so it is wrong of him to claim otherwise. Times have changed a great deal since Councillor Walls wore a Police uniform, but even in the much quieter period when he did, he spent a considerable amount of his service not investigating crime on the front line, but as a radio operator in the Communications Department. A Department where he dispatched other people to deal with the jobs he couldn't or didn't want to deal with. He is hardly in a position to comment on how Police investigate crime, as his own investigative skills are questionable. Interestingly, civilian support staff now perform the role that he did. As one reader had said, Councillor Walls would do better to desist from cheap politically motivated jibes at an organisation which is struggling to provide a service because of the policies of his own party in Central Government. He should try to improve things for his electorate by lobbying his party in Government to ease the cuts to all public services, who after all, are not responsible for the deficit, but are being punished, along with all of us who use those services. Instead of negative criticism, how about some positive support and actions to try to make things better? Perhaps he should spend some time with the Police on patrol, and wake up to the realities of what they have to face, with drastically reduced resources. He would find it an alien world from the cosy one he occupied, but he just might then be in a position to pass credible comment. Hardcastle-Brown
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