Government warns city's unemployed: 'Look for work from nine to five or face losing benefits'

PILOT: Jobcentre Plus offices in Bradford, Shipley and Keighley are trialling the scheme

PILOT: Jobcentre Plus offices in Bradford, Shipley and Keighley are trialling the scheme

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UNEMPLOYED people in Bradford must hunt for jobs from “nine to five" or be stripped of benefits, under a controversial new crackdown.

The city, which has more than 14,500 people claiming Jobseekers' Allowance, has been picked for the first trial of a Government scheme to target benefit claimants who “lack motivation” to find work.

From next month, they will be required to visit a Jobcentre every morning to sign an attendance register, then spend the whole day working on job applications.

Ministers say the jobseekers will be given intensive help with important skills such as compiling CVs, writing covering letters, timekeeping and interview techniques.

But the policy also carries a big stick – a threat to remove benefits from claimants who fail to hunt for jobs for 35 hours each week, for three months.

A first breach of the rules will trigger a loss of four weeks' benefit and the second will mean forfeiting three months' money.

The Jobcentre Plus offices in Bradford, Keighley, Shipley and Leeds are among 64 across the country that will carry out the trial.

Staff began handing out factsheets today to jobseekers claimants not on the Work Programme or taking part in a community work placement.

Not all claimants at those centres will take part – and lone parents and carers might not be required to attend for the full 35 hours a week.

But the scheme last night divided opinion among the district's MPs with those in the coalition Government supporting it, while those in opposition heavily critical of it.

Philip Davies (Con, Shipley) said: “I’m completely in favour of this scheme on every possible level, I think it’s a great initiative.

“It’s quite right that unemployed people treat looking for work as a full-time job, it is completely unacceptable for them to be loafing at home watching TV. "

David Ward (Lib Dem, Bradford East) said: “If it is something that can help people get back into work, then it must be seen as a good thing."

But George Galloway (Respect, Bradford West) said: “This idea is a joke and yet another waste of money. It’s a compliment to call it half-baked, it’s not even in the oven.

“It is a horrendous imposition on some people who are genuinely claiming benefits.

“The scheme sounds like prison, it’s madness.”

And Gerry Sutcliffe (Lab, Bradford South): “I’m not sure this scheme gives a motivation to find work, and I don’t think keeping people cooped up in a job centre all day is the way forward."

In total, about 6,000 people will take part, across West Yorkshire, the West Midlands, Sussex and Surrey.

Esther McVey, the Work Minister, said: “It’s right that we ask claimants to do everything they can to look for work in return for their benefits.

“This pilot is testing how we provide that extra support to those whose motivation or job hunting skills get in the way of finding a job.

“A life on benefits for those who can work is no longer an option - we’re helping those who aspire to the security of a regular wage and the chance to develop a career.”

The “nine to five” scheme was announced by Chancellor George Osborne at the Tory conference one year ago, but it has taken 12 months to set up the pilot.

Other, more draconian parts of the “Work for the Dole” scheme has seen claimants required to cook meals for the elderly, pick up litter and clean up graffiti, or lose their benefits.

Meanwhile, those with deep-rooted problems must attend therapy sessions to deal with poor literacy, or drink and drug addiction.

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5:47pm Wed 3 Sep 14

Albion. says...

Fair do's! At least that's how it reads, I think it's equally important that those who oversee this, don't make an ar$e of it.
Fair do's! At least that's how it reads, I think it's equally important that those who oversee this, don't make an ar$e of it. Albion.
  • Score: -55

5:50pm Wed 3 Sep 14

Albion. says...

"Meanwhile, those with deep-rooted problems must attend therapy sessions to deal with poor literacy, or drink and drug addiction."

That should take care of a very large number then.
"Meanwhile, those with deep-rooted problems must attend therapy sessions to deal with poor literacy, or drink and drug addiction." That should take care of a very large number then. Albion.
  • Score: 10

5:52pm Wed 3 Sep 14

tinytoonster says...

wonder how many people will move an old relative in and claim to be carers!!
wonder how many people will move an old relative in and claim to be carers!! tinytoonster
  • Score: -90

6:00pm Wed 3 Sep 14

PeterBooth says...

12 months to set up a pilot scheme ? I think the pace of work of the civil servants detailed to set up this scheme should be looked at in detail.
12 months to set up a pilot scheme ? I think the pace of work of the civil servants detailed to set up this scheme should be looked at in detail. PeterBooth
  • Score: 82

6:24pm Wed 3 Sep 14

llos25 says...

And assume that all this comes to fruition what happens when the jobs do not exist.Exactly how do they look for the job in a job centre as I read it there are going to thousands in one room there will not be enough toilets no catering nothing .I really do not think this has been thought out properly.
And assume that all this comes to fruition what happens when the jobs do not exist.Exactly how do they look for the job in a job centre as I read it there are going to thousands in one room there will not be enough toilets no catering nothing .I really do not think this has been thought out properly. llos25
  • Score: 294

6:30pm Wed 3 Sep 14

Grumpygirl says...

Typical Tory policy. Tough talk that will have little practical effect. Just like their anti-terrorism policy.
Typical Tory policy. Tough talk that will have little practical effect. Just like their anti-terrorism policy. Grumpygirl
  • Score: 160

6:44pm Wed 3 Sep 14

Robin of Loxley says...

From next month, they will be required to visit a Jobcentre every morning to sign an attendance register, then spend the whole day working on job applications.


Are there an infinite amount of jobs the 14,500 unemployed will be applying for?

What happens when there's none to look for ? - what then ?
[quote]From next month, they will be required to visit a Jobcentre every morning to sign an attendance register, then spend the whole day working on job applications. [/quote] Are there an infinite amount of jobs the 14,500 unemployed will be applying for? What happens when there's none to look for ? - what then ? Robin of Loxley
  • Score: 273

6:48pm Wed 3 Sep 14

Andy_Bfd says...

Ha, car parking chaos outside the job centres
Ha, car parking chaos outside the job centres Andy_Bfd
  • Score: 111

6:48pm Wed 3 Sep 14

Cityman23 says...

If unemployed are required to attend their local Job Centre, five days a week and don't live within walking distance of one, does all their transport costs come out of their benefit?
If unemployed are required to attend their local Job Centre, five days a week and don't live within walking distance of one, does all their transport costs come out of their benefit? Cityman23
  • Score: 236

7:00pm Wed 3 Sep 14

damraf says...

It will just mean the transits vans will be parked outside the job centre for longer
It will just mean the transits vans will be parked outside the job centre for longer damraf
  • Score: 6

7:05pm Wed 3 Sep 14

jrayray says...

The Work Programme was suppose to of provided these activities,but did not,cost? £5 Billion. Mandatory Work Activity..30 hours a week at a Charity shop..The same Providers of the WP are paid over £600 as an admin fee.
Community Work Programme? The fee paid by the DWP to the same providers of the WP to over see each unemployed conscript performing free labour £76.82 per week...JSA is £72.40 per week
Signing on daily,the travel costs will be at least £20-25 per week,extra staff? It will be a walking cluster £uck!
The Work Programme was suppose to of provided these activities,but did not,cost? £5 Billion. Mandatory Work Activity..30 hours a week at a Charity shop..The same Providers of the WP are paid over £600 as an admin fee. Community Work Programme? The fee paid by the DWP to the same providers of the WP to over see each unemployed conscript performing free labour £76.82 per week...JSA is £72.40 per week Signing on daily,the travel costs will be at least £20-25 per week,extra staff? It will be a walking cluster £uck! jrayray
  • Score: 189

7:11pm Wed 3 Sep 14

Cheshireone says...

On the one occasion that I was made redundant and had the misfortune to walk into Shipley job centre my only intention was to get back into work which I treated like a full time job searching for and applying for jobs all day every day.
I still believe that job centre staff struggle with people that are willing to work and actively seek work ,but seem to embrace the people that play the system and have no intention of getting work
On the one occasion that I was made redundant and had the misfortune to walk into Shipley job centre my only intention was to get back into work which I treated like a full time job searching for and applying for jobs all day every day. I still believe that job centre staff struggle with people that are willing to work and actively seek work ,but seem to embrace the people that play the system and have no intention of getting work Cheshireone
  • Score: 89

7:59pm Wed 3 Sep 14

bd7 helper says...

Less crime
Less crime bd7 helper
  • Score: -78

8:08pm Wed 3 Sep 14

Class_War says...

Don't forget, if you attend every day then you must waste as much of their time as possible. Ask wakward questions, demand that they check your jobsearch evidence in detail, take your time, fumble, drop things, play dumb, cause a commotion, make them regret it.
Don't forget, if you attend every day then you must waste as much of their time as possible. Ask wakward questions, demand that they check your jobsearch evidence in detail, take your time, fumble, drop things, play dumb, cause a commotion, make them regret it. Class_War
  • Score: 128

8:12pm Wed 3 Sep 14

Class_War says...

I'm actually looking forward to this! It'll be a hoot.
I'm actually looking forward to this! It'll be a hoot. Class_War
  • Score: 53

8:21pm Wed 3 Sep 14

Class_War says...

BTW, please be aware that if JSA is 'sanctioned' (i.e. stopped) you will be entitled to claim Hardship instead, it's only about 20 quid a week worse off so might be worth considering as an option.
BTW, please be aware that if JSA is 'sanctioned' (i.e. stopped) you will be entitled to claim Hardship instead, it's only about 20 quid a week worse off so might be worth considering as an option. Class_War
  • Score: 63

8:23pm Wed 3 Sep 14

Celine123 says...

This is a stupid idea, so what happens when they strip their money and they can't feed their kids becouse they haven't got any money. Sounds like a great plan. Well done! Roll on homelessness Evan more poverty starving children and desperate people looking for a way to get money.
This is a stupid idea, so what happens when they strip their money and they can't feed their kids becouse they haven't got any money. Sounds like a great plan. Well done! Roll on homelessness Evan more poverty starving children and desperate people looking for a way to get money. Celine123
  • Score: 167

8:24pm Wed 3 Sep 14

Class_War says...

The Jobcentre is only a 10 min walk from my house so I'm not that bothered for myself but if you live miles away it would be impossible. I'll be able to easily sign each day and get back to bed asap. like it was all a bad dream...hahaha
The Jobcentre is only a 10 min walk from my house so I'm not that bothered for myself but if you live miles away it would be impossible. I'll be able to easily sign each day and get back to bed asap. like it was all a bad dream...hahaha Class_War
  • Score: -53

8:30pm Wed 3 Sep 14

Makollig Jezvahted says...

Class_War wrote:
The Jobcentre is only a 10 min walk from my house so I'm not that bothered for myself but if you live miles away it would be impossible. I'll be able to easily sign each day and get back to bed asap. like it was all a bad dream...hahaha
Plenty of people don't live within a 10 minute walk of their place of work but they manage to get there every day. What makes the unemployed so special? You can bet travel will be paid for these visits too.
[quote][p][bold]Class_War[/bold] wrote: The Jobcentre is only a 10 min walk from my house so I'm not that bothered for myself but if you live miles away it would be impossible. I'll be able to easily sign each day and get back to bed asap. like it was all a bad dream...hahaha[/p][/quote]Plenty of people don't live within a 10 minute walk of their place of work but they manage to get there every day. What makes the unemployed so special? You can bet travel will be paid for these visits too. Makollig Jezvahted
  • Score: -73

8:34pm Wed 3 Sep 14

Class_War says...

@ Makollig Jezvahted

No, travel costs will not be paid, claimants will have to pay out of their dole, so in fact they may as well just take a sanction instead, nowt to lose really.
@ Makollig Jezvahted No, travel costs will not be paid, claimants will have to pay out of their dole, so in fact they may as well just take a sanction instead, nowt to lose really. Class_War
  • Score: 127

8:37pm Wed 3 Sep 14

Class_War says...

I'm going to have lots of fun disrupting this little wheeze LOL
I'm going to have lots of fun disrupting this little wheeze LOL Class_War
  • Score: 34

8:39pm Wed 3 Sep 14

lesleyc37 says...

The reason there's so many unemployed is because you now have to apply for jobs online, CV's are not being read, emails are going unreplied and when you do a training course like i did last year (SIA training course) i passed got my certificate but due to being on JSA i can't afford my license and all the job centre say is "Come to us with a job offer and we'll fund the cost of your license" but the problem i have is i can't get an interview without the license, i could've had 100 jobs by now, was offered one last week and lost it today due to no license, yet i'll sign on on monday and will get sanctioned cos of it, its an absolute joke!!!!
The reason there's so many unemployed is because you now have to apply for jobs online, CV's are not being read, emails are going unreplied and when you do a training course like i did last year (SIA training course) i passed got my certificate but due to being on JSA i can't afford my license and all the job centre say is "Come to us with a job offer and we'll fund the cost of your license" but the problem i have is i can't get an interview without the license, i could've had 100 jobs by now, was offered one last week and lost it today due to no license, yet i'll sign on on monday and will get sanctioned cos of it, its an absolute joke!!!! lesleyc37
  • Score: 204

8:40pm Wed 3 Sep 14

southendfanman says...

Good luck Bradford, look at the religious demographic . I wonder if their is a link?
Good luck Bradford, look at the religious demographic . I wonder if their is a link? southendfanman
  • Score: -16

8:53pm Wed 3 Sep 14

wrongsideofthetracks says...

Cityman23 wrote:
If unemployed are required to attend their local Job Centre, five days a week and don't live within walking distance of one, does all their transport costs come out of their benefit?
Hopefully!
[quote][p][bold]Cityman23[/bold] wrote: If unemployed are required to attend their local Job Centre, five days a week and don't live within walking distance of one, does all their transport costs come out of their benefit?[/p][/quote]Hopefully! wrongsideofthetracks
  • Score: -75

8:57pm Wed 3 Sep 14

Mr Capp says...

And Gerry Sutcliffe (Lab, Bradford South): "I don’t think keeping people cooped up in a job centre all day is the way forward."

Welcome to the real world then. Cooped up. That's what thousands of us have to do every day week in and week out in order to keep a roof over our heads and feed and cloth ourselves and our children in addition to paying taxes to fund the idle existence of those poor souls you seem to want to defend.
And Gerry Sutcliffe (Lab, Bradford South): "I don’t think keeping people cooped up in a job centre all day is the way forward." Welcome to the real world then. Cooped up. That's what thousands of us have to do every day week in and week out in order to keep a roof over our heads and feed and cloth ourselves and our children in addition to paying taxes to fund the idle existence of those poor souls you seem to want to defend. Mr Capp
  • Score: -96

9:00pm Wed 3 Sep 14

Class_War says...

I can apply for as many jobs as they want, I know I won't get them, won't even get an interview, never do and I apply for about 30 - 40 jobs every fortnight. Last year I was forced against my will to do 4 weeks unpaid Community Work, for which I received a certificate & letter stating that I has successfully complete "120 Hours Community Work", which is what it now says on my CV, thereby making me appear to be a criminal! LOL
I can apply for as many jobs as they want, I know I won't get them, won't even get an interview, never do and I apply for about 30 - 40 jobs every fortnight. Last year I was forced against my will to do 4 weeks unpaid Community Work, for which I received a certificate & letter stating that I has successfully complete "120 Hours Community Work", which is what it now says on my CV, thereby making me appear to be a criminal! LOL Class_War
  • Score: 146

9:02pm Wed 3 Sep 14

Class_War says...

@ Mr Capp

yeah but you get paid for it, we don't. If you're jealous you could always quit your job and sign on, either that or just STFU.
@ Mr Capp yeah but you get paid for it, we don't. If you're jealous you could always quit your job and sign on, either that or just STFU. Class_War
  • Score: 103

9:03pm Wed 3 Sep 14

Mr Capp says...

Class_War wrote:
I'm going to have lots of fun disrupting this little wheeze LOL
You are neither funny or clever.
[quote][p][bold]Class_War[/bold] wrote: I'm going to have lots of fun disrupting this little wheeze LOL[/p][/quote]You are neither funny or clever. Mr Capp
  • Score: -55

9:07pm Wed 3 Sep 14

Class_War says...

Mr Capp says...

"You are neither funny or clever."

Nor.
Mr Capp says... "You are neither funny or clever." Nor. Class_War
  • Score: 73

9:10pm Wed 3 Sep 14

Class_War says...

southendfanman says...
"Good luck Bradford, look at the religious demographic . I wonder if their is a link?"


I wonder if you have a brain?
southendfanman says... "Good luck Bradford, look at the religious demographic . I wonder if their is a link?" I wonder if you have a brain? Class_War
  • Score: 12

9:12pm Wed 3 Sep 14

Mr Capp says...

Class_War wrote:
@ Mr Capp

yeah but you get paid for it, we don't. If you're jealous you could always quit your job and sign on, either that or just STFU.
Yes lets all pack work in and be wasters like you. Now tell me Mr Braindead where the money would then come from to fund the public services and keep you in the slum lifestyle you clearly relish! Its n@bheads like you that give this city a bad name.
[quote][p][bold]Class_War[/bold] wrote: @ Mr Capp yeah but you get paid for it, we don't. If you're jealous you could always quit your job and sign on, either that or just STFU.[/p][/quote]Yes lets all pack work in and be wasters like you. Now tell me Mr Braindead where the money would then come from to fund the public services and keep you in the slum lifestyle you clearly relish! Its n@bheads like you that give this city a bad name. Mr Capp
  • Score: -53

9:12pm Wed 3 Sep 14

Class_War says...

The Jobcentre staff and security goons will have to watch their backs, plenty of people going armed in Bradford....
The Jobcentre staff and security goons will have to watch their backs, plenty of people going armed in Bradford.... Class_War
  • Score: 23

9:15pm Wed 3 Sep 14

Class_War says...

@ Mr Capp

You're the one whinging about having to go to work. Don't blame others for the choices you've made. Sounds like jealousy to me. You envy the Poor and you call me a "n@bhead"? Funny man.
@ Mr Capp You're the one whinging about having to go to work. Don't blame others for the choices you've made. Sounds like jealousy to me. You envy the Poor and you call me a "n@bhead"? Funny man. Class_War
  • Score: 64

9:17pm Wed 3 Sep 14

Class_War says...

@ Mixter

"You could save on a bag, and just walk in with it in your pants."

Yeah I might well do that! Ted Nugent famously did that to avoid the Vietnam draft.
@ Mixter "You could save on a bag, and just walk in with it in your pants." Yeah I might well do that! Ted Nugent famously did that to avoid the Vietnam draft. Class_War
  • Score: 19

9:33pm Wed 3 Sep 14

Class_War says...

If you get chance to use the Jobcentre computers don't forget to take a drink with you, a bottle of water should do, and accidentally spill it on the keyboard. Fun, fun, fun!
If you get chance to use the Jobcentre computers don't forget to take a drink with you, a bottle of water should do, and accidentally spill it on the keyboard. Fun, fun, fun! Class_War
  • Score: 34

9:40pm Wed 3 Sep 14

Alhaurinrhino says...

Class_War wrote:
The Jobcentre staff and security goons will have to watch their backs, plenty of people going armed in Bradford....
You could get a job as a sandbag, it's about all you are good for.
[quote][p][bold]Class_War[/bold] wrote: The Jobcentre staff and security goons will have to watch their backs, plenty of people going armed in Bradford....[/p][/quote]You could get a job as a sandbag, it's about all you are good for. Alhaurinrhino
  • Score: -22

9:52pm Wed 3 Sep 14

linebacker2 says...

Galloway employs staff in London, his "surgery" is in Manchester - how many Bradfordians does he employ?
Galloway employs staff in London, his "surgery" is in Manchester - how many Bradfordians does he employ? linebacker2
  • Score: 35

9:57pm Wed 3 Sep 14

AtkinzM28 says...

What about disabled people that can't work 35+ hours a week, what about travel arrangements to and from the job centre, the costs of living on job seekers is hard enough. Fair enough for alcoholics and druggies getting sanctioned they chose that life let them live in the gutter, but for those that do look for work and get nowhere what then.... you cant send everyone to college or do work for free, why work for free its against human rights. How about close the UK borders and give jobs to UK citizens first and kick out all of those that live here on benefits and get things handed to them. Its unfair to cancel our benefits but if your foreign or of ethnic race you'll be ckassed as racist. This idiotic idea ISNT going to work. So which ever idiot decided it, you try living like someone on the unemployment line i can assure you you'll struggle just like the majority of us do.
What about disabled people that can't work 35+ hours a week, what about travel arrangements to and from the job centre, the costs of living on job seekers is hard enough. Fair enough for alcoholics and druggies getting sanctioned they chose that life let them live in the gutter, but for those that do look for work and get nowhere what then.... you cant send everyone to college or do work for free, why work for free its against human rights. How about close the UK borders and give jobs to UK citizens first and kick out all of those that live here on benefits and get things handed to them. Its unfair to cancel our benefits but if your foreign or of ethnic race you'll be ckassed as racist. This idiotic idea ISNT going to work. So which ever idiot decided it, you try living like someone on the unemployment line i can assure you you'll struggle just like the majority of us do. AtkinzM28
  • Score: 77

9:58pm Wed 3 Sep 14

linebacker2 says...

Class_War wrote:
Don't forget, if you attend every day then you must waste as much of their time as possible. Ask wakward questions, demand that they check your jobsearch evidence in detail, take your time, fumble, drop things, play dumb, cause a commotion, make them regret it.
Don't think you'll struggle with the play dumb part.....
[quote][p][bold]Class_War[/bold] wrote: Don't forget, if you attend every day then you must waste as much of their time as possible. Ask wakward questions, demand that they check your jobsearch evidence in detail, take your time, fumble, drop things, play dumb, cause a commotion, make them regret it.[/p][/quote]Don't think you'll struggle with the play dumb part..... linebacker2
  • Score: -2

10:07pm Wed 3 Sep 14

Bethan1 says...

Where do the officials think this jobs are going to come from? What about those on part time courses trying to improve thier qualifications? What a load of !"£$%^&*()_+
Where do the officials think this jobs are going to come from? What about those on part time courses trying to improve thier qualifications? What a load of !"£$%^&*()_+ Bethan1
  • Score: 91

10:14pm Wed 3 Sep 14

Class_War says...

linebacker2 says...

"Don't think you'll struggle with the play dumb part"

Won't I? Oh ok, if you say so.
linebacker2 says... "Don't think you'll struggle with the play dumb part" Won't I? Oh ok, if you say so. Class_War
  • Score: 11

10:17pm Wed 3 Sep 14

Class_War says...

Can't wait 'til the Jobcentre is packed out, crammed full of thousands of people standing on each others' heads, then some idiot sets the Fire Alarm off.....
Can't wait 'til the Jobcentre is packed out, crammed full of thousands of people standing on each others' heads, then some idiot sets the Fire Alarm off..... Class_War
  • Score: 49

10:36pm Wed 3 Sep 14

Class_War says...

Philip Davies (Con, Shipley) said: “I’m completely in favour of this scheme on every possible level, I think it’s a great initiative.

“It’s quite right that unemployed people treat looking for work as a full-time job, it is completely unacceptable for them to be loafing at home watching TV. "

What an absolute utter plank. Watching TV? loafing? he hasn't got a clue how people live. Who can afford a TV licence? not me. I'm too busy walking miles because I can't afford bus fares. In winter I saty in bed most of the time just to keep warm. SMH. Tory nutter.
Philip Davies (Con, Shipley) said: “I’m completely in favour of this scheme on every possible level, I think it’s a great initiative. “It’s quite right that unemployed people treat looking for work as a full-time job, it is completely unacceptable for them to be loafing at home watching TV. " What an absolute utter plank. Watching TV? loafing? he hasn't got a clue how people live. Who can afford a TV licence? not me. I'm too busy walking miles because I can't afford bus fares. In winter I saty in bed most of the time just to keep warm. SMH. Tory nutter. Class_War
  • Score: 115

10:44pm Wed 3 Sep 14

Class_War says...

The DWP motto = Arbeit Macht Frei
The DWP motto = Arbeit Macht Frei Class_War
  • Score: 90

10:53pm Wed 3 Sep 14

Victor Clayton says...

Grumpygirl wrote:
Typical Tory policy. Tough talk that will have little practical effect. Just like their anti-terrorism policy.
It's a difficult problem to solve, but I am happy the government are having a go. Which is more important than the Labour party would. Because imo they are lacking in the courage of their convictions. Or any kind of courage.
[quote][p][bold]Grumpygirl[/bold] wrote: Typical Tory policy. Tough talk that will have little practical effect. Just like their anti-terrorism policy.[/p][/quote]It's a difficult problem to solve, but I am happy the government are having a go. Which is more important than the Labour party would. Because imo they are lacking in the courage of their convictions. Or any kind of courage. Victor Clayton
  • Score: -62

11:05pm Wed 3 Sep 14

Class_War says...

The Tories want to do away with Jobcentres and I think this latest crackpot scheme is really a way of getting the Jobcentres demolished for free. If a fracas breaks out it will be a free for all, the G4SS Goons wouldn't stand a chance, most are either old or over-weight. It could turn very ugly indeed.
The Tories want to do away with Jobcentres and I think this latest crackpot scheme is really a way of getting the Jobcentres demolished for free. If a fracas breaks out it will be a free for all, the G4SS Goons wouldn't stand a chance, most are either old or over-weight. It could turn very ugly indeed. Class_War
  • Score: 51

11:21pm Wed 3 Sep 14

Postman pedro says...

Stop smoking weed get off your fat arses, and get a life wake up to the real world. Makes me sick.
Stop smoking weed get off your fat arses, and get a life wake up to the real world. Makes me sick. Postman pedro
  • Score: -63

11:22pm Wed 3 Sep 14

AtkinzM28 says...

So some people are all for this to happen, fair enough crack down on those that push out kids so they can live off benefits, stop paying alcoholics and druggies they're never gonna change, if you stop foreign or ethnic benefits your a racist, but if your British regardless of whether your disabled, in a wheelchair, mental health problems etc then you HAVE to look for work. Here's the problem companies can pick and choose whoever they like, qualifications oh we'll have you, qualifications but disabled..nah mate not interested, inexperienced we'll train you, experienced pfft fat chance. Skills or no skills, it doesn't matter because employers can pick and choose whoever they want. As for sanctions either go live in a box or find someplace where rent, bills etc dont exist.
So some people are all for this to happen, fair enough crack down on those that push out kids so they can live off benefits, stop paying alcoholics and druggies they're never gonna change, if you stop foreign or ethnic benefits your a racist, but if your British regardless of whether your disabled, in a wheelchair, mental health problems etc then you HAVE to look for work. Here's the problem companies can pick and choose whoever they like, qualifications oh we'll have you, qualifications but disabled..nah mate not interested, inexperienced we'll train you, experienced pfft fat chance. Skills or no skills, it doesn't matter because employers can pick and choose whoever they want. As for sanctions either go live in a box or find someplace where rent, bills etc dont exist. AtkinzM28
  • Score: 26

11:24pm Wed 3 Sep 14

Postman pedro says...

Class_War wrote:
The Tories want to do away with Jobcentres and I think this latest crackpot scheme is really a way of getting the Jobcentres demolished for free. If a fracas breaks out it will be a free for all, the G4SS Goons wouldn't stand a chance, most are either old or over-weight. It could turn very ugly indeed.
At least they get up for work. What a coment. Do you work.
[quote][p][bold]Class_War[/bold] wrote: The Tories want to do away with Jobcentres and I think this latest crackpot scheme is really a way of getting the Jobcentres demolished for free. If a fracas breaks out it will be a free for all, the G4SS Goons wouldn't stand a chance, most are either old or over-weight. It could turn very ugly indeed.[/p][/quote]At least they get up for work. What a coment. Do you work. Postman pedro
  • Score: -49

11:57pm Wed 3 Sep 14

Class_War says...

Victor Clayton says...

"What a despicable thing to say."

yes, the DWP are despicable alright.
Victor Clayton says... "What a despicable thing to say." yes, the DWP are despicable alright. Class_War
  • Score: 44

12:03am Thu 4 Sep 14

justjustice says...

The bloody government should do more to attract businesses to Bradford!
They should have inquired as to why Bradford council allowed Westfield to mothball the new shopping centre, which still isnt built yet, which helped push Bradford economy further down. This mothballed has had a direct affect on surrounding business, some of which have had to close down, again helping to increase unemployment!
They should stop throwing money onto the burning pit called London and spend it in areas where it will actually bring greater benefits to those areas!

What is the point of looking for a job that isnt there?!
You might as well push a boulder up a hill!
If you havent done any job search in a while, I suggest you try some for the next couple of weeks. Just look at admin jobs, note the companies, recruiters and the positions. You'll find that one single vacancy can have up to ten listings! And the next week these recruiters list them again; then again the next week, and the week after again; some even repost each day!
You have to ask yourself, if these are so many unemployed in the area, why hasnt this job been filled?! Surely of the 14000 people one can do the job even if a little training is required.

How can people get a job when employers want people with 5 years experience in an junior admin vacancy! 5 years as a junior admin?! You must be doing something wrong! But I actually found such a job post!

All I can see this thing doing is more claimants going to their GP being diagnosed with depression!

What the government needs to do is stop blaming the people and start blaming the corporations! Not only are currently employees not being paid a living wage; but thanks to corporations not paying taxes, we're losing out on billions of pounds which could have been spent on services!
The bloody government should do more to attract businesses to Bradford! They should have inquired as to why Bradford council allowed Westfield to mothball the new shopping centre, which still isnt built yet, which helped push Bradford economy further down. This mothballed has had a direct affect on surrounding business, some of which have had to close down, again helping to increase unemployment! They should stop throwing money onto the burning pit called London and spend it in areas where it will actually bring greater benefits to those areas! What is the point of looking for a job that isnt there?! You might as well push a boulder up a hill! If you havent done any job search in a while, I suggest you try some for the next couple of weeks. Just look at admin jobs, note the companies, recruiters and the positions. You'll find that one single vacancy can have up to ten listings! And the next week these recruiters list them again; then again the next week, and the week after again; some even repost each day! You have to ask yourself, if these are so many unemployed in the area, why hasnt this job been filled?! Surely of the 14000 people one can do the job even if a little training is required. How can people get a job when employers want people with 5 years experience in an junior admin vacancy! 5 years as a junior admin?! You must be doing something wrong! But I actually found such a job post! All I can see this thing doing is more claimants going to their GP being diagnosed with depression! What the government needs to do is stop blaming the people and start blaming the corporations! Not only are currently employees not being paid a living wage; but thanks to corporations not paying taxes, we're losing out on billions of pounds which could have been spent on services! justjustice
  • Score: 122

12:21am Thu 4 Sep 14

justjustice says...

Actually what the government should do is stop the free-flow of immigration from the EU!

Britain should either leave the EU, or tell it we wont let them dictate our immigration laws!

The government should follow Australia's example, if the person wanting to move to the UK has the skills required for a job that is available, only then can they move here.
The government should stop companies from hiring workers from the EU to do work in the UK when there are unemployed people right here with the skills to do the work; but the only problem is that the minimum wage is higher than what they would pay the immigrant workers!

This policy will only increase crime, and lower the "official" unemployment figures, "Wow we reduce unemployment in Bradford by 90%, by throwing those 90% off benefits and into the streets using our new draconian-strict laws!"

Whoever came up with this lame-brain scheme should be forced to live in Bradford and find a job with these people who will be placed on this scheme. They will not be allowed access to their bank account and only be allowed to use the JSA money.
I wonder how long they will last!
Actually what the government should do is stop the free-flow of immigration from the EU! Britain should either leave the EU, or tell it we wont let them dictate our immigration laws! The government should follow Australia's example, if the person wanting to move to the UK has the skills required for a job that is available, only then can they move here. The government should stop companies from hiring workers from the EU to do work in the UK when there are unemployed people right here with the skills to do the work; but the only problem is that the minimum wage is higher than what they would pay the immigrant workers! This policy will only increase crime, and lower the "official" unemployment figures, "Wow we reduce unemployment in Bradford by 90%, by throwing those 90% off benefits and into the streets using our new draconian-strict laws!" Whoever came up with this lame-brain scheme should be forced to live in Bradford and find a job with these people who will be placed on this scheme. They will not be allowed access to their bank account and only be allowed to use the JSA money. I wonder how long they will last! justjustice
  • Score: 65

12:23am Thu 4 Sep 14

Class_War says...

Actually what the government should do is resign and call a General Election.
Actually what the government should do is resign and call a General Election. Class_War
  • Score: 81

12:25am Thu 4 Sep 14

justjustice says...

For people who say there are plenty of jobs out there and the unemployed dont have an excuse; I ask you this:

When was the last time you saw a person in a wheelchair serve you at a supermarket checkout?!

Employers are also at fault for trying to find the "perfect" candidate, when there are plenty of people who can fill the role IF the employer is willing to train them a little. Problem is that training costs money, and employers are unwilling to pay for this!
For people who say there are plenty of jobs out there and the unemployed dont have an excuse; I ask you this: When was the last time you saw a person in a wheelchair serve you at a supermarket checkout?! Employers are also at fault for trying to find the "perfect" candidate, when there are plenty of people who can fill the role IF the employer is willing to train them a little. Problem is that training costs money, and employers are unwilling to pay for this! justjustice
  • Score: 94

12:29am Thu 4 Sep 14

GaryKeighley says...

This is absolutely ridiculous, i'm fresh out of college, for 4 months i have been applying for jobs everyday, i have been to tons of interviews hoping and praying that i would get a job, any job, you name it i have applied, i have been desperately trying to not enter and live off that system, i have thus failed, i cant even get a job at Mac Donald's, my self respect has shot down dramatically, just this week i have come to the conclusion that i have no choice but to sign on, i just can't afford to go to interviews anymore, And now i learn about this crappy scheme designed by all the postilions who claim money for ridiculous items, who own multiple houses and who earn stupid wages, how about the **** TRY IT!!!
I'm furious, not only is there no help what so ever for someone straight out of the school system, but now they are locking me into like 3 Bradford centers with 14,500 people every morning of everyday, how does that even work??? Sure i admit that job applications will rise but what happenes when they are taken up by the people who dint give a ****, the people who just want the dole and can't be arsed to make a effort? what happenes once the jobs are gone? what about parents with kids on the school runs? is travel included ? i doubt it, you miss a day and you miss a whole month of JSA?, Christmas is coming up with money already being tight everyday travel will make it even harder, this hasn't been thought out, its something where they are all sat in a room saying ' Hey guys, this unemployment thing right, anyone got any ideas?' ' errm well we could cram 14,500 people into a few every morning, im sure that will work' IT DOESN'T MAKE SEANCE!!! its like having a broken pipe so you call up every plumber there is and they all try to do the job at the same time, i am 100% certain that crime will rise beyond belief, there will be a steep increase of the homeless, things will just go to ****, sure the system is broken now, but its not going to be anywhere near how bad its going to be, if i cant get a job at Mac Donald's where there expectations for employment are for you to be friendly and for you to have a nice smile, where else can i **** go, i no longer have any self pride, its just a absolute joke
This is absolutely ridiculous, i'm fresh out of college, for 4 months i have been applying for jobs everyday, i have been to tons of interviews hoping and praying that i would get a job, any job, you name it i have applied, i have been desperately trying to not enter and live off that system, i have thus failed, i cant even get a job at Mac Donald's, my self respect has shot down dramatically, just this week i have come to the conclusion that i have no choice but to sign on, i just can't afford to go to interviews anymore, And now i learn about this crappy scheme designed by all the postilions who claim money for ridiculous items, who own multiple houses and who earn stupid wages, how about the **** TRY IT!!! I'm furious, not only is there no help what so ever for someone straight out of the school system, but now they are locking me into like 3 Bradford centers with 14,500 people every morning of everyday, how does that even work??? Sure i admit that job applications will rise but what happenes when they are taken up by the people who dint give a ****, the people who just want the dole and can't be arsed to make a effort? what happenes once the jobs are gone? what about parents with kids on the school runs? is travel included ? i doubt it, you miss a day and you miss a whole month of JSA?, Christmas is coming up with money already being tight everyday travel will make it even harder, this hasn't been thought out, its something where they are all sat in a room saying ' Hey guys, this unemployment thing right, anyone got any ideas?' ' errm well we could cram 14,500 people into a few every morning, im sure that will work' IT DOESN'T MAKE SEANCE!!! its like having a broken pipe so you call up every plumber there is and they all try to do the job at the same time, i am 100% certain that crime will rise beyond belief, there will be a steep increase of the homeless, things will just go to ****, sure the system is broken now, but its not going to be anywhere near how bad its going to be, if i cant get a job at Mac Donald's where there expectations for employment are for you to be friendly and for you to have a nice smile, where else can i **** go, i no longer have any self pride, its just a absolute joke GaryKeighley
  • Score: 124

12:29am Thu 4 Sep 14

justjustice says...

Class_War wrote:
bd7 helper says...
Less crime

More assaults against Jobcentre staff perhaps?
Oh dont forget that when these people fail to obey these strict conditions, they will be thrown off benefits.

How do you think these people will get some money?
I know, they'll get a job, it's just we call it drug dealing, burglary or mugging!

Crime will rapidly increase, especially as the police force has been cut so much as well!
[quote][p][bold]Class_War[/bold] wrote: bd7 helper says... Less crime More assaults against Jobcentre staff perhaps?[/p][/quote]Oh dont forget that when these people fail to obey these strict conditions, they will be thrown off benefits. How do you think these people will get some money? I know, they'll get a job, it's just we call it drug dealing, burglary or mugging! Crime will rapidly increase, especially as the police force has been cut so much as well! justjustice
  • Score: 67

12:35am Thu 4 Sep 14

Class_War says...

Government warns city's unemployed: 'Look for work from nine to five or face losing benefits'


City's Unemployed warns Government: Stop Our Benefits And We'll Eat The Rich!
Government warns city's unemployed: 'Look for work from nine to five or face losing benefits' City's Unemployed warns Government: Stop Our Benefits And We'll Eat The Rich! Class_War
  • Score: 57

12:44am Thu 4 Sep 14

Nabwood says...

Class_War wrote:
I can apply for as many jobs as they want, I know I won't get them, won't even get an interview, never do and I apply for about 30 - 40 jobs every fortnight. Last year I was forced against my will to do 4 weeks unpaid Community Work, for which I received a certificate & letter stating that I has successfully complete "120 Hours Community Work", which is what it now says on my CV, thereby making me appear to be a criminal! LOL
Perhaps if you focused more on trying to get a job instead of trying to break the system then you might be able to get one. You don't sound a stupid person, in fact you've made some reasonable points and some witty responses (and some not so good ones). Instead of encouraging people to stalk their DWP advisors, use the internet to research some employers and build relationships with them. Your energies are being expended in the wrong direction.
[quote][p][bold]Class_War[/bold] wrote: I can apply for as many jobs as they want, I know I won't get them, won't even get an interview, never do and I apply for about 30 - 40 jobs every fortnight. Last year I was forced against my will to do 4 weeks unpaid Community Work, for which I received a certificate & letter stating that I has successfully complete "120 Hours Community Work", which is what it now says on my CV, thereby making me appear to be a criminal! LOL[/p][/quote]Perhaps if you focused more on trying to get a job instead of trying to break the system then you might be able to get one. You don't sound a stupid person, in fact you've made some reasonable points and some witty responses (and some not so good ones). Instead of encouraging people to stalk their DWP advisors, use the internet to research some employers and build relationships with them. Your energies are being expended in the wrong direction. Nabwood
  • Score: -39

1:13am Thu 4 Sep 14

David Mortimer says...

Are the Governments benefit policies legal or in violation of international laws which ensure people are kept out of poverty?
Are the Governments benefit policies legal or in violation of international laws which ensure people are kept out of poverty? David Mortimer
  • Score: 76

2:06am Thu 4 Sep 14

sbulgacs says...

This is a ridiculous idea... Its an attempt by the Conservatives to make Job centres advisors lives as difficult as possible, Staff at job centres are well aware that some claimants are not "fit to work" for many different reasons. However this is not about getting job seekers off benefits but down sizing the DWP. Shortly the entire signing on process will be computerised diminishing the need for Job centre staff (who also happen to have a huge Union). So rather than forcing all these staff to leave their jobs the Conservatives want them to jump. The Job centres in Bradford cannot hold 2000 people all day ever day never mind the 10000 suggested.
This is a ridiculous idea... Its an attempt by the Conservatives to make Job centres advisors lives as difficult as possible, Staff at job centres are well aware that some claimants are not "fit to work" for many different reasons. However this is not about getting job seekers off benefits but down sizing the DWP. Shortly the entire signing on process will be computerised diminishing the need for Job centre staff (who also happen to have a huge Union). So rather than forcing all these staff to leave their jobs the Conservatives want them to jump. The Job centres in Bradford cannot hold 2000 people all day ever day never mind the 10000 suggested. sbulgacs
  • Score: 60

2:20am Thu 4 Sep 14

Class_War says...

@ Nabwood

Perhaps if you minded your own business instead of jumping to conclusions you might pause to consider that I am unfit for work.
@ Nabwood Perhaps if you minded your own business instead of jumping to conclusions you might pause to consider that I am unfit for work. Class_War
  • Score: 31

2:20am Thu 4 Sep 14

TheSanctionedJobseeker says...

Well people, it is time to put an end to this madness because this new scheme is nothing more than an excuse to sanction people into poverty and lead to a very depressing life, all in the name of "motivating" people into work.

I have personally being the victim of 3 unlawful sanctions, 1 unlawful sanction attempt, along with a campaign of lies, harassment and a cover up when I started exposing the Jobcentre's lies.

They even lied to my MP, Craig Whittaker, and I am meeting up with him as he was very concerned aboit being lied to when I informed him of it.

I co-host an online radio show and will cover this on it tomorrow. I will also liaise with people to organise a fight back because in law, this scheme is illegal as it contravenes the Jobseekers Act 1995 and has no other legislation to support it.

Google "the sanctioned Jobseeker" and my site is the one of the same name (a .co.uk) and the radio show is JSUK News via Awake TV.

We can't let them do this as it will lead to more poverty, more suffering, and ultimately; more deaths.

Let's fight back and stop this before it starts.
Well people, it is time to put an end to this madness because this new scheme is nothing more than an excuse to sanction people into poverty and lead to a very depressing life, all in the name of "motivating" people into work. I have personally being the victim of 3 unlawful sanctions, 1 unlawful sanction attempt, along with a campaign of lies, harassment and a cover up when I started exposing the Jobcentre's lies. They even lied to my MP, Craig Whittaker, and I am meeting up with him as he was very concerned aboit being lied to when I informed him of it. I co-host an online radio show and will cover this on it tomorrow. I will also liaise with people to organise a fight back because in law, this scheme is illegal as it contravenes the Jobseekers Act 1995 and has no other legislation to support it. Google "the sanctioned Jobseeker" and my site is the one of the same name (a .co.uk) and the radio show is JSUK News via Awake TV. We can't let them do this as it will lead to more poverty, more suffering, and ultimately; more deaths. Let's fight back and stop this before it starts. TheSanctionedJobseeker
  • Score: 71

2:24am Thu 4 Sep 14

Class_War says...

This is really all about dismantling our State by outsourcing to private profit-making companies such as Ingeus, Interserve, A4e, Serco, etc etc. which is where people will be sent to do jobsearch. It's a means of transferring vast amounts of Public money into the Private sector, and of course a chance to kick the poor, that good old Tory pastime.
This is really all about dismantling our State by outsourcing to private profit-making companies such as Ingeus, Interserve, A4e, Serco, etc etc. which is where people will be sent to do jobsearch. It's a means of transferring vast amounts of Public money into the Private sector, and of course a chance to kick the poor, that good old Tory pastime. Class_War
  • Score: 62

2:52am Thu 4 Sep 14

Class_War says...

And remember kids, the only good Tory is a dead one! Thank God Thatcher is dead, hurry up and join her CaMoron you evil Tory git.
And remember kids, the only good Tory is a dead one! Thank God Thatcher is dead, hurry up and join her CaMoron you evil Tory git. Class_War
  • Score: 43

4:21am Thu 4 Sep 14

Spydaar says...

bd7 helper wrote:
Less crime
That's right eh MORON every one on benefits is a criminal...what an ignoramus.
[quote][p][bold]bd7 helper[/bold] wrote: Less crime[/p][/quote]That's right eh MORON every one on benefits is a criminal...what an ignoramus. Spydaar
  • Score: 43

4:32am Thu 4 Sep 14

bd7 helper says...

Class_War wrote:
bd7 helper says...
Less crime

More assaults against Jobcentre staff perhaps?
Wake up and stop lying
[quote][p][bold]Class_War[/bold] wrote: bd7 helper says... Less crime More assaults against Jobcentre staff perhaps?[/p][/quote]Wake up and stop lying bd7 helper
  • Score: 0

7:25am Thu 4 Sep 14

cmills says...

Class_War wrote:
BTW, please be aware that if JSA is 'sanctioned' (i.e. stopped) you will be entitled to claim Hardship instead, it's only about 20 quid a week worse off so might be worth considering as an option.
You would still have to jump through all the hoops - if you are sanctioned and claim hardship payments and if you are sanctioned again whilst in receipt of hardship payments - the payments are stopped - you have to reapply and the two week wait is applied again - So its conform or starve. The DWP staff have no problem with sanctioning people who are already sanctioned, they don’t mind killing you if you don’t do what they want --. They just keep sanctioning you before your previous sanctions is over - to ensure you suffer as most as possible until you starve or conform
[quote][p][bold]Class_War[/bold] wrote: BTW, please be aware that if JSA is 'sanctioned' (i.e. stopped) you will be entitled to claim Hardship instead, it's only about 20 quid a week worse off so might be worth considering as an option.[/p][/quote]You would still have to jump through all the hoops - if you are sanctioned and claim hardship payments and if you are sanctioned again whilst in receipt of hardship payments - the payments are stopped - you have to reapply and the two week wait is applied again - So its conform or starve. The DWP staff have no problem with sanctioning people who are already sanctioned, they don’t mind killing you if you don’t do what they want --. They just keep sanctioning you before your previous sanctions is over - to ensure you suffer as most as possible until you starve or conform cmills
  • Score: 40

7:47am Thu 4 Sep 14

BD16 says...

Nabwood wrote:
Class_War wrote:
I can apply for as many jobs as they want, I know I won't get them, won't even get an interview, never do and I apply for about 30 - 40 jobs every fortnight. Last year I was forced against my will to do 4 weeks unpaid Community Work, for which I received a certificate & letter stating that I has successfully complete "120 Hours Community Work", which is what it now says on my CV, thereby making me appear to be a criminal! LOL
Perhaps if you focused more on trying to get a job instead of trying to break the system then you might be able to get one. You don't sound a stupid person, in fact you've made some reasonable points and some witty responses (and some not so good ones). Instead of encouraging people to stalk their DWP advisors, use the internet to research some employers and build relationships with them. Your energies are being expended in the wrong direction.
A nice thought but Class_war is a professional martyr. He's had many user names on here over the years but his theme always remains the same, It's all somebody else's fault.
[quote][p][bold]Nabwood[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Class_War[/bold] wrote: I can apply for as many jobs as they want, I know I won't get them, won't even get an interview, never do and I apply for about 30 - 40 jobs every fortnight. Last year I was forced against my will to do 4 weeks unpaid Community Work, for which I received a certificate & letter stating that I has successfully complete "120 Hours Community Work", which is what it now says on my CV, thereby making me appear to be a criminal! LOL[/p][/quote]Perhaps if you focused more on trying to get a job instead of trying to break the system then you might be able to get one. You don't sound a stupid person, in fact you've made some reasonable points and some witty responses (and some not so good ones). Instead of encouraging people to stalk their DWP advisors, use the internet to research some employers and build relationships with them. Your energies are being expended in the wrong direction.[/p][/quote]A nice thought but Class_war is a professional martyr. He's had many user names on here over the years but his theme always remains the same, It's all somebody else's fault. BD16
  • Score: 7

7:52am Thu 4 Sep 14

Pity Poor Bradford says...

“It is a horrendous imposition on some people who are genuinely claiming benefits." - George Galloway

Yes I agree. I have to travel to my place of work every weekday and work 35 hours a week. That's a horrendous imposition on me, as I'd rather be sat in my pants watching Jeremy Kyle on a daily basis.
“It is a horrendous imposition on some people who are genuinely claiming benefits." - George Galloway Yes I agree. I have to travel to my place of work every weekday and work 35 hours a week. That's a horrendous imposition on me, as I'd rather be sat in my pants watching Jeremy Kyle on a daily basis. Pity Poor Bradford
  • Score: -31

8:01am Thu 4 Sep 14

cmills says...

Pity Poor Bradford wrote:
“It is a horrendous imposition on some people who are genuinely claiming benefits." - George Galloway

Yes I agree. I have to travel to my place of work every weekday and work 35 hours a week. That's a horrendous imposition on me, as I'd rather be sat in my pants watching Jeremy Kyle on a daily basis.
you travel to your place of work -- Work - you have a job, dummy.
[quote][p][bold]Pity Poor Bradford[/bold] wrote: “It is a horrendous imposition on some people who are genuinely claiming benefits." - George Galloway Yes I agree. I have to travel to my place of work every weekday and work 35 hours a week. That's a horrendous imposition on me, as I'd rather be sat in my pants watching Jeremy Kyle on a daily basis.[/p][/quote]you travel to your place of work -- Work - you have a job, dummy. cmills
  • Score: 32

8:44am Thu 4 Sep 14

BCFC1911 says...

Would appear ROL has once again been multiple voting. 80 votes in 20 mins.....hhhmmm strange

Anyway reported to admin so after the Hoff and ROL will soon need another log on. Just warning you ROL so you can set one up posthaste
Would appear ROL has once again been multiple voting. 80 votes in 20 mins.....hhhmmm strange Anyway reported to admin so after the Hoff and ROL will soon need another log on. Just warning you ROL so you can set one up posthaste BCFC1911
  • Score: 4

9:35am Thu 4 Sep 14

louiskasatkin says...

The basic sums are these.Across all EU member states,,the official jobless totals add up to just shy of 30,000,000 ;the UK weighs in at over 2,000,000. There are at least 2,000,000 otherwise jobless EU citizens (from member states whom the UK directly subsidises through UK taxes), here whose collective presence acts on the macro-economic level to depress the general level of wages. The DWP/JCP fantasists whose grasp of 21st.century global capitalist economics is on par with a Medieval leech doctor's grasp of ebola really are plumbing uncharted depths of bureaucratic imbecility by even attempting such a farcical non-seqitur as 35 hours a week "search" for "work".
The basic sums are these.Across all EU member states,,the official jobless totals add up to just shy of 30,000,000 ;the UK weighs in at over 2,000,000. There are at least 2,000,000 otherwise jobless EU citizens (from member states whom the UK directly subsidises through UK taxes), here whose collective presence acts on the macro-economic level to depress the general level of wages. The DWP/JCP fantasists whose grasp of 21st.century global capitalist economics is on par with a Medieval leech doctor's grasp of ebola really are plumbing uncharted depths of bureaucratic imbecility by even attempting such a farcical non-seqitur as 35 hours a week "search" for "work". louiskasatkin
  • Score: 31

9:47am Thu 4 Sep 14

citizensadviceman says...

it wont work in some areas of the country though. believe it or not there are actually a couple of uk counties that DONT even have a jobcentre. in the small county of rutland there is no jobcentre as the tories closed it down. theres limited public transport as fundings been slashed leaving folk travelling 40 miles into a neighbouring county just to sign on & look for work. rutland citizens advice bureau highlighted the case of an ex soldier living in a rutland village who was found fit for work by the infamous Atos where a sports physiotherapist examined him for a brain injury... the jobcentre apparently sent him a letter which he never received then sanctioned him for a month for not turning up to an interview at a jobcentre 40 miles away. he appealed on the decision but was knocked back again for not having a good enough reason then sanctioned for another 3 months leaving him to survive on £20 a week & his £11 army pension while his debts built up around him but how was he meant to get to the jobcentre? he suffers from short term memory loss has post traumatic stress disorder due to a shrapnel head injury. he cant drive due to epilepsy theres only a bus twice a week from his village & the nearest train station is 20 miles away. it might work in cities but when they roll it out nationally in the sticks it wont work unless there going to pay for thousands taxi fares.
it wont work in some areas of the country though. believe it or not there are actually a couple of uk counties that DONT even have a jobcentre. in the small county of rutland there is no jobcentre as the tories closed it down. theres limited public transport as fundings been slashed leaving folk travelling 40 miles into a neighbouring county just to sign on & look for work. rutland citizens advice bureau highlighted the case of an ex soldier living in a rutland village who was found fit for work by the infamous Atos where a sports physiotherapist examined him for a brain injury... the jobcentre apparently sent him a letter which he never received then sanctioned him for a month for not turning up to an interview at a jobcentre 40 miles away. he appealed on the decision but was knocked back again for not having a good enough reason then sanctioned for another 3 months leaving him to survive on £20 a week & his £11 army pension while his debts built up around him but how was he meant to get to the jobcentre? he suffers from short term memory loss has post traumatic stress disorder due to a shrapnel head injury. he cant drive due to epilepsy theres only a bus twice a week from his village & the nearest train station is 20 miles away. it might work in cities but when they roll it out nationally in the sticks it wont work unless there going to pay for thousands taxi fares. citizensadviceman
  • Score: 48

9:58am Thu 4 Sep 14

citizensadviceman says...

cmills wrote:
Class_War wrote:
BTW, please be aware that if JSA is 'sanctioned' (i.e. stopped) you will be entitled to claim Hardship instead, it's only about 20 quid a week worse off so might be worth considering as an option.
You would still have to jump through all the hoops - if you are sanctioned and claim hardship payments and if you are sanctioned again whilst in receipt of hardship payments - the payments are stopped - you have to reapply and the two week wait is applied again - So its conform or starve. The DWP staff have no problem with sanctioning people who are already sanctioned, they don’t mind killing you if you don’t do what they want --. They just keep sanctioning you before your previous sanctions is over - to ensure you suffer as most as possible until you starve or conform
it wont work in some areas of the country though. believe it or not there are actually a couple of uk counties that DONT even have a jobcentre. in the county of rutland there is no jobcentre as the tories closed it down. theres limited public transport as fundings been slashed leaving folk travelling 40 miles into a neighbouring county just to sign on & look for work. rutland citizens advice bureau highlighted the case of an ex soldier living in a rutland village who was found fit for work by the infamous Atos where unbelievably a sports physiotherapist examined him for a brain injury... he was put onto jsa then the jobcentre apparently sent him a letter which he never received then sanctioned him for a month for not turning up to an interview at a jobcentre 40 miles away. he appealed on the decision but was knocked back again for not having a good enough reason then sanctioned for another 3 months leaving him to survive on £20 a week & his £11 army pension while his utility bills rent & council tax debts built up around him but how was he meant to get to the jobcentre? he suffers from short term memory loss & post traumatic stress disorder due to a shrapnel head injury. he cant drive due to his epilepsy & to top it off theres only a bus twice a week from his village which only goes to a co op superstore & the nearest train station is 20 miles away. it might work in cities but when they roll it out nationally in the sticks it wont work unless there going to pay for thousands taxi fares.
[quote][p][bold]cmills[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Class_War[/bold] wrote: BTW, please be aware that if JSA is 'sanctioned' (i.e. stopped) you will be entitled to claim Hardship instead, it's only about 20 quid a week worse off so might be worth considering as an option.[/p][/quote]You would still have to jump through all the hoops - if you are sanctioned and claim hardship payments and if you are sanctioned again whilst in receipt of hardship payments - the payments are stopped - you have to reapply and the two week wait is applied again - So its conform or starve. The DWP staff have no problem with sanctioning people who are already sanctioned, they don’t mind killing you if you don’t do what they want --. They just keep sanctioning you before your previous sanctions is over - to ensure you suffer as most as possible until you starve or conform[/p][/quote]it wont work in some areas of the country though. believe it or not there are actually a couple of uk counties that DONT even have a jobcentre. in the county of rutland there is no jobcentre as the tories closed it down. theres limited public transport as fundings been slashed leaving folk travelling 40 miles into a neighbouring county just to sign on & look for work. rutland citizens advice bureau highlighted the case of an ex soldier living in a rutland village who was found fit for work by the infamous Atos where unbelievably a sports physiotherapist examined him for a brain injury... he was put onto jsa then the jobcentre apparently sent him a letter which he never received then sanctioned him for a month for not turning up to an interview at a jobcentre 40 miles away. he appealed on the decision but was knocked back again for not having a good enough reason then sanctioned for another 3 months leaving him to survive on £20 a week & his £11 army pension while his utility bills rent & council tax debts built up around him but how was he meant to get to the jobcentre? he suffers from short term memory loss & post traumatic stress disorder due to a shrapnel head injury. he cant drive due to his epilepsy & to top it off theres only a bus twice a week from his village which only goes to a co op superstore & the nearest train station is 20 miles away. it might work in cities but when they roll it out nationally in the sticks it wont work unless there going to pay for thousands taxi fares. citizensadviceman
  • Score: 15

9:59am Thu 4 Sep 14

Antec1 says...

I set my own target of at least 10 job applications each and every day, and quite often, I apply for 20+ jobs a day.
However, I am lucky if I get 1 response a month, and that is usually to thank me for applying, but the vacancy has already been filled.
My many CV's and covering letters, have been checked by numerous advisers, and they all conclude that they are top notch.
So what's the problem? My age and my health problems!
I'm 54 and have a very visible and incurable skin condition, as well as being a type 1 diabetic, which has now caused permanent kidney damage.
I live alone in a privately rented house, and I get £72 a week to live on.
Out of that £72, I have to pay some money towards my rent, full water rates, gas, electricity and something towards my council tax.
If I'm lucky, I can afford to feed myself 5 days out of 7, even though I am supposed to be on a special diet, with being a type 1 diabetic and having kidney problems.
No doubt I will end up being one of the many, who have to go to the Job center every day, as I have already been labeled a scrounger, by one of the job centers advisers!
I set my own target of at least 10 job applications each and every day, and quite often, I apply for 20+ jobs a day. However, I am lucky if I get 1 response a month, and that is usually to thank me for applying, but the vacancy has already been filled. My many CV's and covering letters, have been checked by numerous advisers, and they all conclude that they are top notch. So what's the problem? My age and my health problems! I'm 54 and have a very visible and incurable skin condition, as well as being a type 1 diabetic, which has now caused permanent kidney damage. I live alone in a privately rented house, and I get £72 a week to live on. Out of that £72, I have to pay some money towards my rent, full water rates, gas, electricity and something towards my council tax. If I'm lucky, I can afford to feed myself 5 days out of 7, even though I am supposed to be on a special diet, with being a type 1 diabetic and having kidney problems. No doubt I will end up being one of the many, who have to go to the Job center every day, as I have already been labeled a scrounger, by one of the job centers advisers! Antec1
  • Score: 51

10:04am Thu 4 Sep 14

chebram(NCH) says...

Well the idea is flawed instantly. They claim they want unemployed people to work for work 9am-5pm. Well Jobcentres themselves do not open from 9am-5pm, certainly do not open on Weekends or Bank Holidays. What about when Jobcentre staff go on strike what then. It is even more ironic Iain Duncan Smith has been told by those at the top of the Tory Party to close all Jobcentres down in the Whole of the UK. A nice poke fun at REAl Jobcentres page https://www.facebook
.com/pages/Joblessce
ntre-Plus-1-Norwich/
238876876217207?fref
=ts add yourselves and like the page too. That page of mine clearly shows how screwed up the entire Jobecentre and Unemployment system is in general
Well the idea is flawed instantly. They claim they want unemployed people to work for work 9am-5pm. Well Jobcentres themselves do not open from 9am-5pm, certainly do not open on Weekends or Bank Holidays. What about when Jobcentre staff go on strike what then. It is even more ironic Iain Duncan Smith has been told by those at the top of the Tory Party to close all Jobcentres down in the Whole of the UK. A nice poke fun at REAl Jobcentres page https://www.facebook .com/pages/Joblessce ntre-Plus-1-Norwich/ 238876876217207?fref =ts add yourselves and like the page too. That page of mine clearly shows how screwed up the entire Jobecentre and Unemployment system is in general chebram(NCH)
  • Score: 24

10:05am Thu 4 Sep 14

Nabwood says...

Class_War wrote:
@ Nabwood

Perhaps if you minded your own business instead of jumping to conclusions you might pause to consider that I am unfit for work.
Class_war, you have made your personal business public by discussing it the internet. You are clearly able to apply for jobs (you said you do 30-40 a fortnight), so maybe something administrative? And you were fit enough to complete the Community Work.

You seem to want to discourage people from finding work. You want to make everyone have a bad attitude and be unemployable like you. I guess misery loves company.
[quote][p][bold]Class_War[/bold] wrote: @ Nabwood Perhaps if you minded your own business instead of jumping to conclusions you might pause to consider that I am unfit for work.[/p][/quote]Class_war, you have made your personal business public by discussing it the internet. You are clearly able to apply for jobs (you said you do 30-40 a fortnight), so maybe something administrative? And you were fit enough to complete the Community Work. You seem to want to discourage people from finding work. You want to make everyone have a bad attitude and be unemployable like you. I guess misery loves company. Nabwood
  • Score: -4

10:10am Thu 4 Sep 14

yezboss says...

I was speaking to an unemployed 21 year old. He wants to work. He has skills in the motor industry but cannot get a job unless he has more experience, how can he get that without a job? Recently despite his leanings and skills he was told to be at a certain location for 0530 in the morning and he would be taken to another town to work for the day. The job was in a warehouse owned by a well know local supermarket.
(This sounds to me like slave labour on the cheap) Together with about 20 others (mainly Poles he thought) they waited for transport which never arrived. So they all went home. Now if the Job Centre cannot do better than this it's time it was closed down.
I was speaking to an unemployed 21 year old. He wants to work. He has skills in the motor industry but cannot get a job unless he has more experience, how can he get that without a job? Recently despite his leanings and skills he was told to be at a certain location for 0530 in the morning and he would be taken to another town to work for the day. The job was in a warehouse owned by a well know local supermarket. (This sounds to me like slave labour on the cheap) Together with about 20 others (mainly Poles he thought) they waited for transport which never arrived. So they all went home. Now if the Job Centre cannot do better than this it's time it was closed down. yezboss
  • Score: 38

10:12am Thu 4 Sep 14

cmills says...

Cityman23 wrote:
If unemployed are required to attend their local Job Centre, five days a week and don't live within walking distance of one, does all their transport costs come out of their benefit?
Where did you get five days a week from - read the article-- the article says "From next month, they will be required to visit a Jobcentre every morning to sign an attendance register, then spend the whole day working on job applications." It says every morning !
[quote][p][bold]Cityman23[/bold] wrote: If unemployed are required to attend their local Job Centre, five days a week and don't live within walking distance of one, does all their transport costs come out of their benefit?[/p][/quote]Where did you get five days a week from - read the article-- the article says "From next month, they will be required to visit a Jobcentre every morning to sign an attendance register, then spend the whole day working on job applications." It says every morning ! cmills
  • Score: -9

10:22am Thu 4 Sep 14

Class_War says...

IDFS is deliberately causing hardship for millions of people with his insane 'Welfare Reforms' that are nothing but a cull of the Poor. And in this case he is trying to provoke Riots, which could well happen in Bradford, and most probably will.
IDFS is deliberately causing hardship for millions of people with his insane 'Welfare Reforms' that are nothing but a cull of the Poor. And in this case he is trying to provoke Riots, which could well happen in Bradford, and most probably will. Class_War
  • Score: 22

10:28am Thu 4 Sep 14

citizensadviceman says...

i personally think this is a scheme just to sanction more people to be honest & slash the welfare bill. its never been more difficult to get a job as the jobcentres have removed phones & the jobcentre computer is full of fake jobs fraud scams or jobs that are out of date.

Here are a few cases ive come across online, in newspapers and parliamentary debates. Remember that sanctions are supposedly there both to “incentivise” claimants into work (by making them starve) and to punish those who flagrantly break rules.

You work for 20 years, then because you haven’t had the process clearly explained to you, you miss an appointment, so you get sanctioned for 3 weeks. (source: Councillor John O’Shea)

You’re on a workfare placement, and your jobcentre appointment comes round. The jobcentre tells you to sign on then go to your placement which you do. The workfare placement reports you for being late and you get sanctioned for 3 months. (Source: DefiniteMaybe post on Mumsnet forums)

You’re five minutes late for your appointment, you show the advisor your watch which is running late, but you still get sanctioned for a month (source: Clydebank Post)

You apply for more jobs than required by your jobseeker’s agreement, but forgot to put down that you checked the local paper (which you’ve been specifically instructed to do via a jobseeker’s direction) so you get sanctioned (source: Steve Rose on twitter – part 1 . part 2)

You’re on contributions based JSA (which is JSA paid on the basis of National Insurance you’ve paid in, not on your level of income) and get your appointment day wrong and turn up on Thursday instead of Tuesday so you get a four week sanction (source: Cheesy Monkey comment

It’s Christmas Day. You don’t do any jobsearch, because it’s Christmas Day. So you get sanctioned. For not looking to see if anyone has advertised a new job on Christmas Day. (source: Poverty Alliance)

You get an interview but it’s on the day of your nan’s funeral. You have 3 interviews the day before, and you try to rearrange the interview, but the company reports you to the jobcentre and you get sanctioned for failing to accept a job. (source: @TSAAPG on twitter – part 1 . part 2)

You get sent the wrong forms, get sanctioned for not doing the right forms. (Source: Adventures in Workfare blog )

You’re very sick in hospital and miss an appointment, but you’ve already missed one so you get sanctioned (Source: @thinktyler on twitter. Rules actually state you can miss a grand total of two appointments for illness each year – particularly harsh if you’re sick and have been wrongly kicked off ESA by ATOS)

You don’t apply for an IT job that needs skills you don’t have so you get sanctioned. (Source: Geminisnake on Urban75 forums )

You volunteer in a youth club. For some reason the jobcentre thinks this is paid work so they sanction you. (source: @ukeleleKris on twitter )

You attend a work programme interview so you miss your jobcentre appointement and get sanctioned (Source: CAB )

You’ve got no money to travel to look for work after a sanction so you get sanctioned again (source: CAB)

You have an interview which runs long, so you arrive at your jobcentre appointment 9 minutes late and get sanctioned for a month (source: jsdk posting on Consumer Action Group forums)

You’ve been unemployed for seven months and are forced onto a workfare scheme but can’t afford to travel to the shop. You offer to work in a local branch you can walk to but are refused and get sanctioned for not attending your workfare placement. (Source: Caroline Lucas MP)

You attend a family funeral and miss your jobcentre appointment so you get sanctioned. (Source: Derek Twigg MP)

You have a work training appointment at the same time as your jobcentre appointment, you tell the jobcentre you won’t be coming but they say you have to, and to get a letter from your new training organisation. Your training organisation says they don’t provide letters. (Source: Russell Brown MP)

You are easily confused or have poor English language skills, you will be disproportionately targetted for sanctions (Source: Fiona Taggart MP)

You retire on the grounds of ill health and claim ESA. You go to your assessment and during the assessment you have a massive heart attack, so the nurse says they have to stop the assessment. You get sanctioned for withdrawing from your assessment (Source: Debbie Abrahams MP)

You get a job, isn’t that great? The job doesn’t start for two weeks, so you don’t look for work in those two weeks, and get sanctioned for it. (Souce: The Guardian )

the new system is designed to punish not to help.
i personally think this is a scheme just to sanction more people to be honest & slash the welfare bill. its never been more difficult to get a job as the jobcentres have removed phones & the jobcentre computer is full of fake jobs fraud scams or jobs that are out of date. Here are a few cases ive come across online, in newspapers and parliamentary debates. Remember that sanctions are supposedly there both to “incentivise” claimants into work (by making them starve) and to punish those who flagrantly break rules. You work for 20 years, then because you haven’t had the process clearly explained to you, you miss an appointment, so you get sanctioned for 3 weeks. (source: Councillor John O’Shea) You’re on a workfare placement, and your jobcentre appointment comes round. The jobcentre tells you to sign on then go to your placement which you do. The workfare placement reports you for being late and you get sanctioned for 3 months. (Source: DefiniteMaybe post on Mumsnet forums) You’re five minutes late for your appointment, you show the advisor your watch which is running late, but you still get sanctioned for a month (source: Clydebank Post) You apply for more jobs than required by your jobseeker’s agreement, but forgot to put down that you checked the local paper (which you’ve been specifically instructed to do via a jobseeker’s direction) so you get sanctioned (source: Steve Rose on twitter – part 1 . part 2) You’re on contributions based JSA (which is JSA paid on the basis of National Insurance you’ve paid in, not on your level of income) and get your appointment day wrong and turn up on Thursday instead of Tuesday so you get a four week sanction (source: Cheesy Monkey comment It’s Christmas Day. You don’t do any jobsearch, because it’s Christmas Day. So you get sanctioned. For not looking to see if anyone has advertised a new job on Christmas Day. (source: Poverty Alliance) You get an interview but it’s on the day of your nan’s funeral. You have 3 interviews the day before, and you try to rearrange the interview, but the company reports you to the jobcentre and you get sanctioned for failing to accept a job. (source: @TSAAPG on twitter – part 1 . part 2) You get sent the wrong forms, get sanctioned for not doing the right forms. (Source: Adventures in Workfare blog ) You’re very sick in hospital and miss an appointment, but you’ve already missed one so you get sanctioned (Source: @thinktyler on twitter. Rules actually state you can miss a grand total of two appointments for illness each year – particularly harsh if you’re sick and have been wrongly kicked off ESA by ATOS) You don’t apply for an IT job that needs skills you don’t have so you get sanctioned. (Source: Geminisnake on Urban75 forums ) You volunteer in a youth club. For some reason the jobcentre thinks this is paid work so they sanction you. (source: @ukeleleKris on twitter ) You attend a work programme interview so you miss your jobcentre appointement and get sanctioned (Source: CAB ) You’ve got no money to travel to look for work after a sanction so you get sanctioned again (source: CAB) You have an interview which runs long, so you arrive at your jobcentre appointment 9 minutes late and get sanctioned for a month (source: jsdk posting on Consumer Action Group forums) You’ve been unemployed for seven months and are forced onto a workfare scheme but can’t afford to travel to the shop. You offer to work in a local branch you can walk to but are refused and get sanctioned for not attending your workfare placement. (Source: Caroline Lucas MP) You attend a family funeral and miss your jobcentre appointment so you get sanctioned. (Source: Derek Twigg MP) You have a work training appointment at the same time as your jobcentre appointment, you tell the jobcentre you won’t be coming but they say you have to, and to get a letter from your new training organisation. Your training organisation says they don’t provide letters. (Source: Russell Brown MP) You are easily confused or have poor English language skills, you will be disproportionately targetted for sanctions (Source: Fiona Taggart MP) You retire on the grounds of ill health and claim ESA. You go to your assessment and during the assessment you have a massive heart attack, so the nurse says they have to stop the assessment. You get sanctioned for withdrawing from your assessment (Source: Debbie Abrahams MP) You get a job, isn’t that great? The job doesn’t start for two weeks, so you don’t look for work in those two weeks, and get sanctioned for it. (Souce: The Guardian ) the new system is designed to punish not to help. citizensadviceman
  • Score: 54

10:29am Thu 4 Sep 14

Class_War says...

@ Nabwood

"so maybe something administrative?"

Like I said, I apply for dozens of jobs, including Admin. Assistant roles. They're never going to employ someone over 50 with health problems and who hasn't worked for years. they can take their pick. They will undoubtedly choose someone younger with more recent/relevant experience.

"fit enough to complete the Community Work."

yes, it was a doddle, with as many tea breaks/fag breaks as you like and early finish every day (unbeknown to DWP). Some jobs require a CSCS card, Driving Licence, own transport, CRB, etc. of which I have none. Why is it you people think you know everything when in reality you know fook all?
@ Nabwood "so maybe something administrative?" Like I said, I apply for dozens of jobs, including Admin. Assistant roles. They're never going to employ someone over 50 with health problems and who hasn't worked for years. they can take their pick. They will undoubtedly choose someone younger with more recent/relevant experience. "fit enough to complete the Community Work." yes, it was a doddle, with as many tea breaks/fag breaks as you like and early finish every day (unbeknown to DWP). Some jobs require a CSCS card, Driving Licence, own transport, CRB, etc. of which I have none. Why is it you people think you know everything when in reality you know fook all? Class_War
  • Score: 20

10:41am Thu 4 Sep 14

flogem says...

Class_War wrote:
Philip Davies (Con, Shipley) said: “I’m completely in favour of this scheme on every possible level, I think it’s a great initiative.

“It’s quite right that unemployed people treat looking for work as a full-time job, it is completely unacceptable for them to be loafing at home watching TV. "

What an absolute utter plank. Watching TV? loafing? he hasn't got a clue how people live. Who can afford a TV licence? not me. I'm too busy walking miles because I can't afford bus fares. In winter I saty in bed most of the time just to keep warm. SMH. Tory nutter.
You saty in bed all day,you must be exhausted by tea time.
[quote][p][bold]Class_War[/bold] wrote: Philip Davies (Con, Shipley) said: “I’m completely in favour of this scheme on every possible level, I think it’s a great initiative. “It’s quite right that unemployed people treat looking for work as a full-time job, it is completely unacceptable for them to be loafing at home watching TV. " What an absolute utter plank. Watching TV? loafing? he hasn't got a clue how people live. Who can afford a TV licence? not me. I'm too busy walking miles because I can't afford bus fares. In winter I saty in bed most of the time just to keep warm. SMH. Tory nutter.[/p][/quote]You saty in bed all day,you must be exhausted by tea time. flogem
  • Score: -5

11:12am Thu 4 Sep 14

Kaylieghmarie says...

Not going to work at all how can they facilitate for 14,500 all day everyday when they have recently taken all the job search towers out and replaced them with 4 computers, also how do they expect people who are looking for part time work to search for 35 hours a week for example single parents looking for part time work due to having there children in school not going to work I agree something needs to he done about the bone idle people who get JSA and abuse it by spending on drugs and alcohol however everyone on JSA is now seen as lazy and not doing enough I'm sorry but my partner and I are on JSA with a child and doing all we can to try and get jobs and get further education to try and better ourselves every other week we go down and show our job searches and get questioned about what we are doing and there is people on there who don't speak a word of English and just sign and go they don't get told to do more or get questioned on proof of job search I'm sorry but how can they job search when they can't even tell you there name address or date of birth and don't understand anything you say, stopping benefits isn't going to help people need a certain amount of money to live on and to deprive people of basic needs such as food and water is illegal
Not going to work at all how can they facilitate for 14,500 all day everyday when they have recently taken all the job search towers out and replaced them with 4 computers, also how do they expect people who are looking for part time work to search for 35 hours a week for example single parents looking for part time work due to having there children in school not going to work I agree something needs to he done about the bone idle people who get JSA and abuse it by spending on drugs and alcohol however everyone on JSA is now seen as lazy and not doing enough I'm sorry but my partner and I are on JSA with a child and doing all we can to try and get jobs and get further education to try and better ourselves every other week we go down and show our job searches and get questioned about what we are doing and there is people on there who don't speak a word of English and just sign and go they don't get told to do more or get questioned on proof of job search I'm sorry but how can they job search when they can't even tell you there name address or date of birth and don't understand anything you say, stopping benefits isn't going to help people need a certain amount of money to live on and to deprive people of basic needs such as food and water is illegal Kaylieghmarie
  • Score: 24

11:22am Thu 4 Sep 14

Class_War says...

@ flogem

"You saty in bed all day,you must be exhausted by tea time."

I said in Winter, because I cannot afford heating. It's either that or die of Hyperthermia, which is obviously what sociopathic maniacs such as yourself would prefer.
@ flogem "You saty in bed all day,you must be exhausted by tea time." I said in Winter, because I cannot afford heating. It's either that or die of Hyperthermia, which is obviously what sociopathic maniacs such as yourself would prefer. Class_War
  • Score: 20

11:23am Thu 4 Sep 14

AtkinzM28 says...

The funny thing about all this is that Government, MP's, Council and the powers that be don't give 2 ****'s. As long as they all get paid at the end of each month they're alright, sod the rest of us. We can all agree or disagree about this article but at the end of the day it changes nothing, unless all the towns and cities named stormed their local council office with petitions signed by everyone who attends job centres. Then and only then something might be done (or swept under the carpet)
The funny thing about all this is that Government, MP's, Council and the powers that be don't give 2 ****'s. As long as they all get paid at the end of each month they're alright, sod the rest of us. We can all agree or disagree about this article but at the end of the day it changes nothing, unless all the towns and cities named stormed their local council office with petitions signed by everyone who attends job centres. Then and only then something might be done (or swept under the carpet) AtkinzM28
  • Score: 15

11:25am Thu 4 Sep 14

Class_War says...

When this bonkers plan descends into utter chaoas and a resulting Riot I want you all to remember that clueless Tory nobhead Philip Davies thought it was a good idea.
When this bonkers plan descends into utter chaoas and a resulting Riot I want you all to remember that clueless Tory nobhead Philip Davies thought it was a good idea. Class_War
  • Score: 20

11:35am Thu 4 Sep 14

BCFC1911 says...

Class_War wrote:
IDFS is deliberately causing hardship for millions of people with his insane 'Welfare Reforms' that are nothing but a cull of the Poor. And in this case he is trying to provoke Riots, which could well happen in Bradford, and most probably will.
The cuts are long overdue and rightly so

May they go deeper and further than ever

Amazingly and quite amusing all the people on here moaning about these reforms when they could be looking for a job.

Even more amazing is all the posters moaning about being skint when they have internet access or at very least a 3g connection.

For me personally I hope further cuts and sanctions are placed on people that simply do not follow the rules when it comes to following the agreement you have to claim benefits
[quote][p][bold]Class_War[/bold] wrote: IDFS is deliberately causing hardship for millions of people with his insane 'Welfare Reforms' that are nothing but a cull of the Poor. And in this case he is trying to provoke Riots, which could well happen in Bradford, and most probably will.[/p][/quote]The cuts are long overdue and rightly so May they go deeper and further than ever Amazingly and quite amusing all the people on here moaning about these reforms when they could be looking for a job. Even more amazing is all the posters moaning about being skint when they have internet access or at very least a 3g connection. For me personally I hope further cuts and sanctions are placed on people that simply do not follow the rules when it comes to following the agreement you have to claim benefits BCFC1911
  • Score: -32

11:38am Thu 4 Sep 14

Class_War says...

Confusion reigns at the both the DWP and the T&A, it seems. This scheme does NOT apply to every Benefit claimant. It only applies to those completing the over-optimistically entitled 'Work Programme' ON OR AFTER 28th APRIL 2014 (which therefore doesn't apply to myself- phew!). In reality most of them will be instructed to do Community Work Placements (CWP), which in turn (again, in reality) means they attend a centre such as Interserve/Ingeus one afternoon per week to do jobsearch, because they haven't actually got any CWP's to send people on for that length of time. Just more hot air from IDS's orifice yet again. Panic over. Carry on as normal.
Confusion reigns at the both the DWP and the T&A, it seems. This scheme does NOT apply to every Benefit claimant. It only applies to those completing the over-optimistically entitled 'Work Programme' ON OR AFTER 28th APRIL 2014 (which therefore doesn't apply to myself- phew!). In reality most of them will be instructed to do Community Work Placements (CWP), which in turn (again, in reality) means they attend a centre such as Interserve/Ingeus one afternoon per week to do jobsearch, because they haven't actually got any CWP's to send people on for that length of time. Just more hot air from IDS's orifice yet again. Panic over. Carry on as normal. Class_War
  • Score: 12

11:40am Thu 4 Sep 14

BCFC1911 says...

Class_War wrote:
@ Nabwood

"so maybe something administrative?"

Like I said, I apply for dozens of jobs, including Admin. Assistant roles. They're never going to employ someone over 50 with health problems and who hasn't worked for years. they can take their pick. They will undoubtedly choose someone younger with more recent/relevant experience.

"fit enough to complete the Community Work."

yes, it was a doddle, with as many tea breaks/fag breaks as you like and early finish every day (unbeknown to DWP). Some jobs require a CSCS card, Driving Licence, own transport, CRB, etc. of which I have none. Why is it you people think you know everything when in reality you know fook all?
OK then Class War

Please refer to B&Q website. They have 6 current roles in their Bradford store and 8 in their Leeds store which they are solely looking to employ over 50's. They cannot and will not discriminate on health so as long as you can physically complete the role you will be fine.

These roles took me 5 mins to find...thank me later or feel free to continue with excuses like you do
[quote][p][bold]Class_War[/bold] wrote: @ Nabwood "so maybe something administrative?" Like I said, I apply for dozens of jobs, including Admin. Assistant roles. They're never going to employ someone over 50 with health problems and who hasn't worked for years. they can take their pick. They will undoubtedly choose someone younger with more recent/relevant experience. "fit enough to complete the Community Work." yes, it was a doddle, with as many tea breaks/fag breaks as you like and early finish every day (unbeknown to DWP). Some jobs require a CSCS card, Driving Licence, own transport, CRB, etc. of which I have none. Why is it you people think you know everything when in reality you know fook all?[/p][/quote]OK then Class War Please refer to B&Q website. They have 6 current roles in their Bradford store and 8 in their Leeds store which they are solely looking to employ over 50's. They cannot and will not discriminate on health so as long as you can physically complete the role you will be fine. These roles took me 5 mins to find...thank me later or feel free to continue with excuses like you do BCFC1911
  • Score: 4

11:42am Thu 4 Sep 14

BCFC1911 says...

yezboss wrote:
I was speaking to an unemployed 21 year old. He wants to work. He has skills in the motor industry but cannot get a job unless he has more experience, how can he get that without a job? Recently despite his leanings and skills he was told to be at a certain location for 0530 in the morning and he would be taken to another town to work for the day. The job was in a warehouse owned by a well know local supermarket.
(This sounds to me like slave labour on the cheap) Together with about 20 others (mainly Poles he thought) they waited for transport which never arrived. So they all went home. Now if the Job Centre cannot do better than this it's time it was closed down.
Peugeot on Sticker Lane currently are looking to employ two apprentices

There you go....took me about 5 mins to find

What is wrong with some people ?
[quote][p][bold]yezboss[/bold] wrote: I was speaking to an unemployed 21 year old. He wants to work. He has skills in the motor industry but cannot get a job unless he has more experience, how can he get that without a job? Recently despite his leanings and skills he was told to be at a certain location for 0530 in the morning and he would be taken to another town to work for the day. The job was in a warehouse owned by a well know local supermarket. (This sounds to me like slave labour on the cheap) Together with about 20 others (mainly Poles he thought) they waited for transport which never arrived. So they all went home. Now if the Job Centre cannot do better than this it's time it was closed down.[/p][/quote]Peugeot on Sticker Lane currently are looking to employ two apprentices There you go....took me about 5 mins to find What is wrong with some people ? BCFC1911
  • Score: -5

11:49am Thu 4 Sep 14

AAA.Happy.Man says...

Class_War wrote:
Don't forget, if you attend every day then you must waste as much of their time as possible. Ask wakward questions, demand that they check your jobsearch evidence in detail, take your time, fumble, drop things, play dumb, cause a commotion, make them regret it.
Well said, Class_War.
Before strikes were made illegal, it's what we called ''Working to Rule.'' and the Ruling Class, and their lick-spittle lackies, HATED it.
WHY?
'cos they had written the rules to enable them to discipline workers at any and every opportunity, and now those very rules and regulations were back-firing on them. They had no defence whatsoever when faced with their own Rule Book.
The Staff will bleat ''I'm only doing my job.''
That is the excuse of all collaborators, Quizlings and class traitors.
[quote][p][bold]Class_War[/bold] wrote: Don't forget, if you attend every day then you must waste as much of their time as possible. Ask wakward questions, demand that they check your jobsearch evidence in detail, take your time, fumble, drop things, play dumb, cause a commotion, make them regret it.[/p][/quote]Well said, Class_War. Before strikes were made illegal, it's what we called ''Working to Rule.'' and the Ruling Class, and their lick-spittle lackies, HATED it. WHY? 'cos they had written the rules to enable them to discipline workers at any and every opportunity, and now those very rules and regulations were back-firing on them. They had no defence whatsoever when faced with their own Rule Book. The Staff will bleat ''I'm only doing my job.'' That is the excuse of all collaborators, Quizlings and class traitors. AAA.Happy.Man
  • Score: 10

11:51am Thu 4 Sep 14

AAA.Happy.Man says...

Class_War wrote:
Don't forget, if you attend every day then you must waste as much of their time as possible. Ask wakward questions, demand that they check your jobsearch evidence in detail, take your time, fumble, drop things, play dumb, cause a commotion, make them regret it.
Well said, Class_War.
Before strikes were made illegal, it's what we called ''Working to Rule.'' - the Ruling Class, and their lick-spittle lackies, HATED it.
WHY?
'cos they had written the rules to enable them to discipline workers at any and every opportunity, and now those very rules and regulations were back-firing on them. They had no defence whatsoever when faced with their own Rule Book.
The Staff will bleat ''I'm only doing my job.''
That is the excuse of all collaborators, Quizlings and class traitors.
[quote][p][bold]Class_War[/bold] wrote: Don't forget, if you attend every day then you must waste as much of their time as possible. Ask wakward questions, demand that they check your jobsearch evidence in detail, take your time, fumble, drop things, play dumb, cause a commotion, make them regret it.[/p][/quote]Well said, Class_War. Before strikes were made illegal, it's what we called ''Working to Rule.'' - the Ruling Class, and their lick-spittle lackies, HATED it. WHY? 'cos they had written the rules to enable them to discipline workers at any and every opportunity, and now those very rules and regulations were back-firing on them. They had no defence whatsoever when faced with their own Rule Book. The Staff will bleat ''I'm only doing my job.'' That is the excuse of all collaborators, Quizlings and class traitors. AAA.Happy.Man
  • Score: 1

11:55am Thu 4 Sep 14

BCFC1911 says...

AAA.Happy.Man wrote:
Class_War wrote:
Don't forget, if you attend every day then you must waste as much of their time as possible. Ask wakward questions, demand that they check your jobsearch evidence in detail, take your time, fumble, drop things, play dumb, cause a commotion, make them regret it.
Well said, Class_War.
Before strikes were made illegal, it's what we called ''Working to Rule.'' and the Ruling Class, and their lick-spittle lackies, HATED it.
WHY?
'cos they had written the rules to enable them to discipline workers at any and every opportunity, and now those very rules and regulations were back-firing on them. They had no defence whatsoever when faced with their own Rule Book.
The Staff will bleat ''I'm only doing my job.''
That is the excuse of all collaborators, Quizlings and class traitors.
LOL funniest thing Ive read all day

So you are condoning wasting time and basically being an 4rse for the sake of it because someone is actually working and doing a job. You know these people that work in the JC are paying tax etc etc etc so effectively they are contributing to your benefits.

Whether you agree with Government policy or not this is totally the wrong way to go about it.

Still though if this is your mentality like Class War its easily understandable why no-one will employ you as you sound a right pain in the ****.

Your family probably feel the same as well
[quote][p][bold]AAA.Happy.Man[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Class_War[/bold] wrote: Don't forget, if you attend every day then you must waste as much of their time as possible. Ask wakward questions, demand that they check your jobsearch evidence in detail, take your time, fumble, drop things, play dumb, cause a commotion, make them regret it.[/p][/quote]Well said, Class_War. Before strikes were made illegal, it's what we called ''Working to Rule.'' and the Ruling Class, and their lick-spittle lackies, HATED it. WHY? 'cos they had written the rules to enable them to discipline workers at any and every opportunity, and now those very rules and regulations were back-firing on them. They had no defence whatsoever when faced with their own Rule Book. The Staff will bleat ''I'm only doing my job.'' That is the excuse of all collaborators, Quizlings and class traitors.[/p][/quote]LOL funniest thing Ive read all day So you are condoning wasting time and basically being an 4rse for the sake of it because someone is actually working and doing a job. You know these people that work in the JC are paying tax etc etc etc so effectively they are contributing to your benefits. Whether you agree with Government policy or not this is totally the wrong way to go about it. Still though if this is your mentality like Class War its easily understandable why no-one will employ you as you sound a right pain in the ****. Your family probably feel the same as well BCFC1911
  • Score: 2

11:58am Thu 4 Sep 14

Danstarr69 says...

"Search for jobs for 35 hours a week or risk getting your money stopped for 1-3 months"

Out of the 46 months (nearly 4 years) I've been unemployed, in the 2 years I was claiming Jobseekers this was happening to me all the time!

Constantly stopping my money for 4/8/12 weeks at a time because they didn't believe me , and expecting me to apply for 45+ jobs every 2 weeks without a computer!

This is why I've basically given up!

I haven't bothered signing on for nearly a year now. My life is crap sat inside all day, not being able to go out with my friends, and yet all you employed people think we want to be sat at home!

Out of the 300 jobs (average) that apparently appear every single day on the Jobcentre (apparently upgraded) system, I bet at least half are repeats of the same job, and a quarter of them don't exist.

The repeated jobs even have the same job number so it can't just be another job at the same employer.

There were also jobs on the system that had not existed for years still on their system getting repeated every single day. One example of that was a sales job in the building next to the 'needle'.
"Search for jobs for 35 hours a week or risk getting your money stopped for 1-3 months" Out of the 46 months (nearly 4 years) I've been unemployed, in the 2 years I was claiming Jobseekers this was happening to me all the time! Constantly stopping my money for 4/8/12 weeks at a time because they didn't believe me , and expecting me to apply for 45+ jobs every 2 weeks without a computer! This is why I've basically given up! I haven't bothered signing on for nearly a year now. My life is crap sat inside all day, not being able to go out with my friends, and yet all you employed people think we want to be sat at home! Out of the 300 jobs (average) that apparently appear every single day on the Jobcentre (apparently upgraded) system, I bet at least half are repeats of the same job, and a quarter of them don't exist. The repeated jobs even have the same job number so it can't just be another job at the same employer. There were also jobs on the system that had not existed for years still on their system getting repeated every single day. One example of that was a sales job in the building next to the 'needle'. Danstarr69
  • Score: 16

12:01pm Thu 4 Sep 14

Danstarr69 says...

Robin of Loxley wrote:
From next month, they will be required to visit a Jobcentre every morning to sign an attendance register, then spend the whole day working on job applications.


Are there an infinite amount of jobs the 14,500 unemployed will be applying for?

What happens when there's none to look for ? - what then ?
You get your money constantly stopped like I did, then you just give up!
[quote][p][bold]Robin of Loxley[/bold] wrote: [quote]From next month, they will be required to visit a Jobcentre every morning to sign an attendance register, then spend the whole day working on job applications. [/quote] Are there an infinite amount of jobs the 14,500 unemployed will be applying for? What happens when there's none to look for ? - what then ?[/p][/quote]You get your money constantly stopped like I did, then you just give up! Danstarr69
  • Score: 12

12:07pm Thu 4 Sep 14

MyBradford says...

Total rubbish this new pilot scheme.
It does everything but give these people jobs.
How about these people are offered real jobs and if they refuse then take their benefits away. But we all know they can't because their are no jobs.
Total rubbish this new pilot scheme. It does everything but give these people jobs. How about these people are offered real jobs and if they refuse then take their benefits away. But we all know they can't because their are no jobs. MyBradford
  • Score: 16

12:16pm Thu 4 Sep 14

MyBradford says...

Class_War wrote:
The Jobcentre is only a 10 min walk from my house so I'm not that bothered for myself but if you live miles away it would be impossible. I'll be able to easily sign each day and get back to bed asap. like it was all a bad dream...hahaha
NOT really after you sign in then you are staying there till 5pm and do your job search.

everyday from 9-5 you are stuck there ALL DAY!
[quote][p][bold]Class_War[/bold] wrote: The Jobcentre is only a 10 min walk from my house so I'm not that bothered for myself but if you live miles away it would be impossible. I'll be able to easily sign each day and get back to bed asap. like it was all a bad dream...hahaha[/p][/quote]NOT really after you sign in then you are staying there till 5pm and do your job search. everyday from 9-5 you are stuck there ALL DAY! MyBradford
  • Score: 8

12:36pm Thu 4 Sep 14

Class_War says...

I guarantee you won't be stuck there all day. they haven't got enough room or computers. You will be straight in and out, after queuing of course.
I guarantee you won't be stuck there all day. they haven't got enough room or computers. You will be straight in and out, after queuing of course. Class_War
  • Score: 4

12:39pm Thu 4 Sep 14

Class_War says...

@ BCFC1911


"as long as you can physically complete the role you will be fine."


What about Mentally?
@ BCFC1911 "as long as you can physically complete the role you will be fine." What about Mentally? Class_War
  • Score: 0

12:47pm Thu 4 Sep 14

BCFC1911 says...

Class_War wrote:
@ BCFC1911


"as long as you can physically complete the role you will be fine."


What about Mentally?
Well you seem to spend most of the day on here typing away so sure you would be fine. Why not apply and find out
[quote][p][bold]Class_War[/bold] wrote: @ BCFC1911 "as long as you can physically complete the role you will be fine." What about Mentally?[/p][/quote]Well you seem to spend most of the day on here typing away so sure you would be fine. Why not apply and find out BCFC1911
  • Score: 5

12:48pm Thu 4 Sep 14

Class_War says...

I've just looked on B&Q website, only job in Bradford I can see is for a Showroom Manager, nothing else.
I've just looked on B&Q website, only job in Bradford I can see is for a Showroom Manager, nothing else. Class_War
  • Score: 6

12:49pm Thu 4 Sep 14

BCFC1911 says...

Danstarr69 says..."Constantly stopping my money for 4/8/12 weeks at a time because they didn't believe me , and expecting me to apply for 45+ jobs every 2 weeks without a computer!"

Do you post on here using telepathy.

I would patent your skills. Google will pay you a fortune
Danstarr69 says..."Constantly stopping my money for 4/8/12 weeks at a time because they didn't believe me , and expecting me to apply for 45+ jobs every 2 weeks without a computer!" Do you post on here using telepathy. I would patent your skills. Google will pay you a fortune BCFC1911
  • Score: 6

12:50pm Thu 4 Sep 14

Class_War says...

BCFC1911, you ignoramus, just because I use the internet at home doesn't mean that I am fit to work. I should be on the Sick but it's pointless going down that road as you can't get Sick Notes these days and they are kicking everyone off of the Sick anyway, so I don't bother, I just claim JSA instead and sign on as though I am fir for work knowing all along that I'm not!
BCFC1911, you ignoramus, just because I use the internet at home doesn't mean that I am fit to work. I should be on the Sick but it's pointless going down that road as you can't get Sick Notes these days and they are kicking everyone off of the Sick anyway, so I don't bother, I just claim JSA instead and sign on as though I am fir for work knowing all along that I'm not! Class_War
  • Score: 7

12:52pm Thu 4 Sep 14

BCFC1911 says...

Class_War wrote:
I've just looked on B&Q website, only job in Bradford I can see is for a Showroom Manager, nothing else.
They are using Manpower for these roles so get in touch with them

Also seen as you have physical and mental problems but are quite happy to post on forums all day I would suggest getting in touch with Amazon.

They employ thousands of people worldwide to review listings on their site for errors etc and are constantly recruiting. You can do this role from the comfort of your own home.
[quote][p][bold]Class_War[/bold] wrote: I've just looked on B&Q website, only job in Bradford I can see is for a Showroom Manager, nothing else.[/p][/quote]They are using Manpower for these roles so get in touch with them Also seen as you have physical and mental problems but are quite happy to post on forums all day I would suggest getting in touch with Amazon. They employ thousands of people worldwide to review listings on their site for errors etc and are constantly recruiting. You can do this role from the comfort of your own home. BCFC1911
  • Score: 4

12:53pm Thu 4 Sep 14

Class_War says...

Amazon? I have morals, I wouldn't work for a company such as they.
Amazon? I have morals, I wouldn't work for a company such as they. Class_War
  • Score: -9

12:59pm Thu 4 Sep 14

AAA.Happy.Man says...

BCFC1911 wrote:
AAA.Happy.Man wrote:
Class_War wrote:
Don't forget, if you attend every day then you must waste as much of their time as possible. Ask wakward questions, demand that they check your jobsearch evidence in detail, take your time, fumble, drop things, play dumb, cause a commotion, make them regret it.
Well said, Class_War.
Before strikes were made illegal, it's what we called ''Working to Rule.'' and the Ruling Class, and their lick-spittle lackies, HATED it.
WHY?
'cos they had written the rules to enable them to discipline workers at any and every opportunity, and now those very rules and regulations were back-firing on them. They had no defence whatsoever when faced with their own Rule Book.
The Staff will bleat ''I'm only doing my job.''
That is the excuse of all collaborators, Quizlings and class traitors.
LOL funniest thing Ive read all day

So you are condoning wasting time and basically being an 4rse for the sake of it because someone is actually working and doing a job. You know these people that work in the JC are paying tax etc etc etc so effectively they are contributing to your benefits.

Whether you agree with Government policy or not this is totally the wrong way to go about it.

Still though if this is your mentality like Class War its easily understandable why no-one will employ you as you sound a right pain in the ****.

Your family probably feel the same as well
Far from it, dear boy.
Rules is Rules, and the swinging poverty and devastation visited upon anyone who doesn't abide by every nuanced word, phrase or sub, sub clause will be cast into an outer darkness,
Sans 'dole'
Sans food
Sans everything.
Far from wasting time, it is saving time - the Staff will know that everything is hunky dorey, and they will be able to de-stress instead of spending hours looking thru' endless Rules and Regs in-case they've missed an opportunity to starve some poor wretch into an early grave.
It will be a Great Leap Forward in the co-operation between IDS's Army, and the untermenschen he and his cabal of Billionaire Kleptocrats are turning millions into, whilst stuffing their overseas bank accounts.
We are the modern slaves, we don't even own our own bodies - the Gov't has legislated that if we withdraw our labour that is a criminal act, and we will go to jail. That, old chum, is SLAVERY.
[quote][p][bold]BCFC1911[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]AAA.Happy.Man[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Class_War[/bold] wrote: Don't forget, if you attend every day then you must waste as much of their time as possible. Ask wakward questions, demand that they check your jobsearch evidence in detail, take your time, fumble, drop things, play dumb, cause a commotion, make them regret it.[/p][/quote]Well said, Class_War. Before strikes were made illegal, it's what we called ''Working to Rule.'' and the Ruling Class, and their lick-spittle lackies, HATED it. WHY? 'cos they had written the rules to enable them to discipline workers at any and every opportunity, and now those very rules and regulations were back-firing on them. They had no defence whatsoever when faced with their own Rule Book. The Staff will bleat ''I'm only doing my job.'' That is the excuse of all collaborators, Quizlings and class traitors.[/p][/quote]LOL funniest thing Ive read all day So you are condoning wasting time and basically being an 4rse for the sake of it because someone is actually working and doing a job. You know these people that work in the JC are paying tax etc etc etc so effectively they are contributing to your benefits. Whether you agree with Government policy or not this is totally the wrong way to go about it. Still though if this is your mentality like Class War its easily understandable why no-one will employ you as you sound a right pain in the ****. Your family probably feel the same as well[/p][/quote]Far from it, dear boy. Rules is Rules, and the swinging poverty and devastation visited upon anyone who doesn't abide by every nuanced word, phrase or sub, sub clause will be cast into an outer darkness, Sans 'dole' Sans food Sans everything. Far from wasting time, it is saving time - the Staff will know that everything is hunky dorey, and they will be able to de-stress instead of spending hours looking thru' endless Rules and Regs in-case they've missed an opportunity to starve some poor wretch into an early grave. It will be a Great Leap Forward in the co-operation between IDS's Army, and the untermenschen he and his cabal of Billionaire Kleptocrats are turning millions into, whilst stuffing their overseas bank accounts. We are the modern slaves, we don't even own our own bodies - the Gov't has legislated that if we withdraw our labour that is a criminal act, and we will go to jail. That, old chum, is SLAVERY. AAA.Happy.Man
  • Score: 11

1:06pm Thu 4 Sep 14

BCFC1911 says...

AAA.Happy.Man wrote:
BCFC1911 wrote:
AAA.Happy.Man wrote:
Class_War wrote:
Don't forget, if you attend every day then you must waste as much of their time as possible. Ask wakward questions, demand that they check your jobsearch evidence in detail, take your time, fumble, drop things, play dumb, cause a commotion, make them regret it.
Well said, Class_War.
Before strikes were made illegal, it's what we called ''Working to Rule.'' and the Ruling Class, and their lick-spittle lackies, HATED it.
WHY?
'cos they had written the rules to enable them to discipline workers at any and every opportunity, and now those very rules and regulations were back-firing on them. They had no defence whatsoever when faced with their own Rule Book.
The Staff will bleat ''I'm only doing my job.''
That is the excuse of all collaborators, Quizlings and class traitors.
LOL funniest thing Ive read all day

So you are condoning wasting time and basically being an 4rse for the sake of it because someone is actually working and doing a job. You know these people that work in the JC are paying tax etc etc etc so effectively they are contributing to your benefits.

Whether you agree with Government policy or not this is totally the wrong way to go about it.

Still though if this is your mentality like Class War its easily understandable why no-one will employ you as you sound a right pain in the ****.

Your family probably feel the same as well
Far from it, dear boy.
Rules is Rules, and the swinging poverty and devastation visited upon anyone who doesn't abide by every nuanced word, phrase or sub, sub clause will be cast into an outer darkness,
Sans 'dole'
Sans food
Sans everything.
Far from wasting time, it is saving time - the Staff will know that everything is hunky dorey, and they will be able to de-stress instead of spending hours looking thru' endless Rules and Regs in-case they've missed an opportunity to starve some poor wretch into an early grave.
It will be a Great Leap Forward in the co-operation between IDS's Army, and the untermenschen he and his cabal of Billionaire Kleptocrats are turning millions into, whilst stuffing their overseas bank accounts.
We are the modern slaves, we don't even own our own bodies - the Gov't has legislated that if we withdraw our labour that is a criminal act, and we will go to jail. That, old chum, is SLAVERY.
The clue is in the name

JOB SEEKERS ALLOWANCE
[quote][p][bold]AAA.Happy.Man[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]BCFC1911[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]AAA.Happy.Man[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Class_War[/bold] wrote: Don't forget, if you attend every day then you must waste as much of their time as possible. Ask wakward questions, demand that they check your jobsearch evidence in detail, take your time, fumble, drop things, play dumb, cause a commotion, make them regret it.[/p][/quote]Well said, Class_War. Before strikes were made illegal, it's what we called ''Working to Rule.'' and the Ruling Class, and their lick-spittle lackies, HATED it. WHY? 'cos they had written the rules to enable them to discipline workers at any and every opportunity, and now those very rules and regulations were back-firing on them. They had no defence whatsoever when faced with their own Rule Book. The Staff will bleat ''I'm only doing my job.'' That is the excuse of all collaborators, Quizlings and class traitors.[/p][/quote]LOL funniest thing Ive read all day So you are condoning wasting time and basically being an 4rse for the sake of it because someone is actually working and doing a job. You know these people that work in the JC are paying tax etc etc etc so effectively they are contributing to your benefits. Whether you agree with Government policy or not this is totally the wrong way to go about it. Still though if this is your mentality like Class War its easily understandable why no-one will employ you as you sound a right pain in the ****. Your family probably feel the same as well[/p][/quote]Far from it, dear boy. Rules is Rules, and the swinging poverty and devastation visited upon anyone who doesn't abide by every nuanced word, phrase or sub, sub clause will be cast into an outer darkness, Sans 'dole' Sans food Sans everything. Far from wasting time, it is saving time - the Staff will know that everything is hunky dorey, and they will be able to de-stress instead of spending hours looking thru' endless Rules and Regs in-case they've missed an opportunity to starve some poor wretch into an early grave. It will be a Great Leap Forward in the co-operation between IDS's Army, and the untermenschen he and his cabal of Billionaire Kleptocrats are turning millions into, whilst stuffing their overseas bank accounts. We are the modern slaves, we don't even own our own bodies - the Gov't has legislated that if we withdraw our labour that is a criminal act, and we will go to jail. That, old chum, is SLAVERY.[/p][/quote]The clue is in the name JOB SEEKERS ALLOWANCE BCFC1911
  • Score: 2

1:07pm Thu 4 Sep 14

BCFC1911 says...

Class_War wrote:
Amazon? I have morals, I wouldn't work for a company such as they.
And there you have it
[quote][p][bold]Class_War[/bold] wrote: Amazon? I have morals, I wouldn't work for a company such as they.[/p][/quote]And there you have it BCFC1911
  • Score: 5

1:16pm Thu 4 Sep 14

Class_War says...

ANYWAY, as I said, this is a combination of rather sloppy journalism and DWP Disinfo. This scheme DOES NOT apply to the vast majority of unemployed. Only a small percentage will be affected. It's just more nonsense and nothing to worry about.
ANYWAY, as I said, this is a combination of rather sloppy journalism and DWP Disinfo. This scheme DOES NOT apply to the vast majority of unemployed. Only a small percentage will be affected. It's just more nonsense and nothing to worry about. Class_War
  • Score: 0

1:30pm Thu 4 Sep 14

BCFC1911 says...

Class_War wrote:
ANYWAY, as I said, this is a combination of rather sloppy journalism and DWP Disinfo. This scheme DOES NOT apply to the vast majority of unemployed. Only a small percentage will be affected. It's just more nonsense and nothing to worry about.
The sooner it applies to ALL unemployed (barring the first 3 months unemployment) the better
[quote][p][bold]Class_War[/bold] wrote: ANYWAY, as I said, this is a combination of rather sloppy journalism and DWP Disinfo. This scheme DOES NOT apply to the vast majority of unemployed. Only a small percentage will be affected. It's just more nonsense and nothing to worry about.[/p][/quote]The sooner it applies to ALL unemployed (barring the first 3 months unemployment) the better BCFC1911
  • Score: -6

1:56pm Thu 4 Sep 14

Danstarr69 says...

BCFC1911 wrote:
Danstarr69 says..."Constan
tly stopping my money for 4/8/12 weeks at a time because they didn't believe me , and expecting me to apply for 45+ jobs every 2 weeks without a computer!"

Do you post on here using telepathy.

I would patent your skills. Google will pay you a fortune
I've only recently been given this computer by my best mate to help me get a job. 8 hours a week in the library is not enough time to look for and apply for 45+ jobs like the Jobcentre expect.

Idiot!

I just hope you lose your job sometime in the near future, then you can show us all how easy it is.
[quote][p][bold]BCFC1911[/bold] wrote: Danstarr69 says..."Constan tly stopping my money for 4/8/12 weeks at a time because they didn't believe me , and expecting me to apply for 45+ jobs every 2 weeks without a computer!" Do you post on here using telepathy. I would patent your skills. Google will pay you a fortune[/p][/quote]I've only recently been given this computer by my best mate to help me get a job. 8 hours a week in the library is not enough time to look for and apply for 45+ jobs like the Jobcentre expect. Idiot! I just hope you lose your job sometime in the near future, then you can show us all how easy it is. Danstarr69
  • Score: 13

1:59pm Thu 4 Sep 14

OLDLAD says...

Class_War wrote:
The Jobcentre is only a 10 min walk from my house so I'm not that bothered for myself but if you live miles away it would be impossible. I'll be able to easily sign each day and get back to bed asap. like it was all a bad dream...hahaha
Read the article properly, you will be at the job centre job hunting 9 - 5 so no bed for you my lad.
[quote][p][bold]Class_War[/bold] wrote: The Jobcentre is only a 10 min walk from my house so I'm not that bothered for myself but if you live miles away it would be impossible. I'll be able to easily sign each day and get back to bed asap. like it was all a bad dream...hahaha[/p][/quote]Read the article properly, you will be at the job centre job hunting 9 - 5 so no bed for you my lad. OLDLAD
  • Score: 0

1:59pm Thu 4 Sep 14

Class_War says...

@ BCFC1911

"The sooner it applies to ALL unemployed the better"

But it doesn't, and it won't.

Just tried using the Manpower website, selected Yorkshire but it came up with jobs in Bodmin, Plymouth and London ??!!!
@ BCFC1911 "The sooner it applies to ALL unemployed the better" But it doesn't, and it won't. Just tried using the Manpower website, selected Yorkshire but it came up with jobs in Bodmin, Plymouth and London ??!!! Class_War
  • Score: 8

2:01pm Thu 4 Sep 14

Class_War says...

@ OLDLAD

No I won't. It doesn't apply to me. It is only for people completing the dreaded Work Programme ON OR AFTER 28th APRIL 2014. I finished last year.
@ OLDLAD No I won't. It doesn't apply to me. It is only for people completing the dreaded Work Programme ON OR AFTER 28th APRIL 2014. I finished last year. Class_War
  • Score: 1

2:02pm Thu 4 Sep 14

Mr Capp says...

GaryKeighley wrote:
This is absolutely ridiculous, i'm fresh out of college, for 4 months i have been applying for jobs everyday, i have been to tons of interviews hoping and praying that i would get a job, any job, you name it i have applied, i have been desperately trying to not enter and live off that system, i have thus failed, i cant even get a job at Mac Donald's, my self respect has shot down dramatically, just this week i have come to the conclusion that i have no choice but to sign on, i just can't afford to go to interviews anymore, And now i learn about this crappy scheme designed by all the postilions who claim money for ridiculous items, who own multiple houses and who earn stupid wages, how about the **** TRY IT!!!
I'm furious, not only is there no help what so ever for someone straight out of the school system, but now they are locking me into like 3 Bradford centers with 14,500 people every morning of everyday, how does that even work??? Sure i admit that job applications will rise but what happenes when they are taken up by the people who dint give a ****, the people who just want the dole and can't be arsed to make a effort? what happenes once the jobs are gone? what about parents with kids on the school runs? is travel included ? i doubt it, you miss a day and you miss a whole month of JSA?, Christmas is coming up with money already being tight everyday travel will make it even harder, this hasn't been thought out, its something where they are all sat in a room saying ' Hey guys, this unemployment thing right, anyone got any ideas?' ' errm well we could cram 14,500 people into a few every morning, im sure that will work' IT DOESN'T MAKE SEANCE!!! its like having a broken pipe so you call up every plumber there is and they all try to do the job at the same time, i am 100% certain that crime will rise beyond belief, there will be a steep increase of the homeless, things will just go to ****, sure the system is broken now, but its not going to be anywhere near how bad its going to be, if i cant get a job at Mac Donald's where there expectations for employment are for you to be friendly and for you to have a nice smile, where else can i **** go, i no longer have any self pride, its just a absolute joke
Fresh out of college and you can't spell a simple word like sense. No wonder you cannot find work.
[quote][p][bold]GaryKeighley[/bold] wrote: This is absolutely ridiculous, i'm fresh out of college, for 4 months i have been applying for jobs everyday, i have been to tons of interviews hoping and praying that i would get a job, any job, you name it i have applied, i have been desperately trying to not enter and live off that system, i have thus failed, i cant even get a job at Mac Donald's, my self respect has shot down dramatically, just this week i have come to the conclusion that i have no choice but to sign on, i just can't afford to go to interviews anymore, And now i learn about this crappy scheme designed by all the postilions who claim money for ridiculous items, who own multiple houses and who earn stupid wages, how about the **** TRY IT!!! I'm furious, not only is there no help what so ever for someone straight out of the school system, but now they are locking me into like 3 Bradford centers with 14,500 people every morning of everyday, how does that even work??? Sure i admit that job applications will rise but what happenes when they are taken up by the people who dint give a ****, the people who just want the dole and can't be arsed to make a effort? what happenes once the jobs are gone? what about parents with kids on the school runs? is travel included ? i doubt it, you miss a day and you miss a whole month of JSA?, Christmas is coming up with money already being tight everyday travel will make it even harder, this hasn't been thought out, its something where they are all sat in a room saying ' Hey guys, this unemployment thing right, anyone got any ideas?' ' errm well we could cram 14,500 people into a few every morning, im sure that will work' IT DOESN'T MAKE SEANCE!!! its like having a broken pipe so you call up every plumber there is and they all try to do the job at the same time, i am 100% certain that crime will rise beyond belief, there will be a steep increase of the homeless, things will just go to ****, sure the system is broken now, but its not going to be anywhere near how bad its going to be, if i cant get a job at Mac Donald's where there expectations for employment are for you to be friendly and for you to have a nice smile, where else can i **** go, i no longer have any self pride, its just a absolute joke[/p][/quote]Fresh out of college and you can't spell a simple word like sense. No wonder you cannot find work. Mr Capp
  • Score: -18

2:05pm Thu 4 Sep 14

Class_War says...

@ BCFC1911



"1) Can accommodate you physically
2) Can accommodate you mentally
3) You agree with their taxation policy
4) The work hours suit you
5) As long as the place of business is not far for you to travel"


I don't think any of that is unreasonable. Companies don't own us. I do have some personal choice. And you missed out the rate of pay, I won't work for anything much less than £8 per hour AT LEAST, preferably £9/£10 p/h. I won't work for Minimum Wage, which is fair enough, Minimum Wage = Minimum Work.
@ BCFC1911 "1) Can accommodate you physically 2) Can accommodate you mentally 3) You agree with their taxation policy 4) The work hours suit you 5) As long as the place of business is not far for you to travel" I don't think any of that is unreasonable. Companies don't own us. I do have some personal choice. And you missed out the rate of pay, I won't work for anything much less than £8 per hour AT LEAST, preferably £9/£10 p/h. I won't work for Minimum Wage, which is fair enough, Minimum Wage = Minimum Work. Class_War
  • Score: -1

2:17pm Thu 4 Sep 14

Class_War says...

What are the PCS playing at? Why aren't the Civil servants out on Strike? For God's sake, we're fighting a brutal Class War here, that affects all of us, our Civil Liberties are at stake, our lives are threatened, people are dying. GET OUT ON STRIKE, please don't be a SCAB or a CLASS TRAITOR. Stand up for what is right and support the Working Class.
What are the PCS playing at? Why aren't the Civil servants out on Strike? For God's sake, we're fighting a brutal Class War here, that affects all of us, our Civil Liberties are at stake, our lives are threatened, people are dying. GET OUT ON STRIKE, please don't be a SCAB or a CLASS TRAITOR. Stand up for what is right and support the Working Class. Class_War
  • Score: 5

2:27pm Thu 4 Sep 14

OLDLAD says...

Class_War wrote:
@ Nabwood

Perhaps if you minded your own business instead of jumping to conclusions you might pause to consider that I am unfit for work.
If unfit for work you would be on esa not jsa
[quote][p][bold]Class_War[/bold] wrote: @ Nabwood Perhaps if you minded your own business instead of jumping to conclusions you might pause to consider that I am unfit for work.[/p][/quote]If unfit for work you would be on esa not jsa OLDLAD
  • Score: -1

2:39pm Thu 4 Sep 14

andycole989 says...

So what role does the Job Centre actually play? I assumed it was helping the unemployed look for work however, I have claimed job seekers allowance in the past and was never given the impression that the employees of the Job Centre wanted me to find a job but rather wanting to get rid of me ASAP. In my opinion it is a 'organisation' that is a waste of tax payers money and this is not down to the fact that there is a large amount of unemployed people claiming job seekers allowance and more to do with the Job Centre having no strict policies on finding people Jobs. The employees who are supposedly there to find you a job should be paid based on performance which in reality means if you find a job seeker a job you get paid your wage or a bonus of some sort and I assure you if that was the way you would get a lot more of the unemployed into work.
So what role does the Job Centre actually play? I assumed it was helping the unemployed look for work however, I have claimed job seekers allowance in the past and was never given the impression that the employees of the Job Centre wanted me to find a job but rather wanting to get rid of me ASAP. In my opinion it is a 'organisation' that is a waste of tax payers money and this is not down to the fact that there is a large amount of unemployed people claiming job seekers allowance and more to do with the Job Centre having no strict policies on finding people Jobs. The employees who are supposedly there to find you a job should be paid based on performance which in reality means if you find a job seeker a job you get paid your wage or a bonus of some sort and I assure you if that was the way you would get a lot more of the unemployed into work. andycole989
  • Score: 13

2:48pm Thu 4 Sep 14

BCFC1911 says...

andycole989 wrote:
So what role does the Job Centre actually play? I assumed it was helping the unemployed look for work however, I have claimed job seekers allowance in the past and was never given the impression that the employees of the Job Centre wanted me to find a job but rather wanting to get rid of me ASAP. In my opinion it is a 'organisation' that is a waste of tax payers money and this is not down to the fact that there is a large amount of unemployed people claiming job seekers allowance and more to do with the Job Centre having no strict policies on finding people Jobs. The employees who are supposedly there to find you a job should be paid based on performance which in reality means if you find a job seeker a job you get paid your wage or a bonus of some sort and I assure you if that was the way you would get a lot more of the unemployed into work.
Or how about people take some personal responsibility and find a job themselves to support themselves and their families?

I realise this might sound crazy but it MIGHT just work
[quote][p][bold]andycole989[/bold] wrote: So what role does the Job Centre actually play? I assumed it was helping the unemployed look for work however, I have claimed job seekers allowance in the past and was never given the impression that the employees of the Job Centre wanted me to find a job but rather wanting to get rid of me ASAP. In my opinion it is a 'organisation' that is a waste of tax payers money and this is not down to the fact that there is a large amount of unemployed people claiming job seekers allowance and more to do with the Job Centre having no strict policies on finding people Jobs. The employees who are supposedly there to find you a job should be paid based on performance which in reality means if you find a job seeker a job you get paid your wage or a bonus of some sort and I assure you if that was the way you would get a lot more of the unemployed into work.[/p][/quote]Or how about people take some personal responsibility and find a job themselves to support themselves and their families? I realise this might sound crazy but it MIGHT just work BCFC1911
  • Score: 0

2:50pm Thu 4 Sep 14

BCFC1911 says...

Class_War wrote:
What are the PCS playing at? Why aren't the Civil servants out on Strike? For God's sake, we're fighting a brutal Class War here, that affects all of us, our Civil Liberties are at stake, our lives are threatened, people are dying. GET OUT ON STRIKE, please don't be a SCAB or a CLASS TRAITOR. Stand up for what is right and support the Working Class.
Oh dear god the irony

Support the working class lol....yet only accept jobs under strict criteria lol

You my friend are a complete dullard with no understanding of economy or the job market in the slightest. Your just one of these layabouts that think the world owes them a living and try your best to manipulate a very generous system to your own advantage
[quote][p][bold]Class_War[/bold] wrote: What are the PCS playing at? Why aren't the Civil servants out on Strike? For God's sake, we're fighting a brutal Class War here, that affects all of us, our Civil Liberties are at stake, our lives are threatened, people are dying. GET OUT ON STRIKE, please don't be a SCAB or a CLASS TRAITOR. Stand up for what is right and support the Working Class.[/p][/quote]Oh dear god the irony Support the working class lol....yet only accept jobs under strict criteria lol You my friend are a complete dullard with no understanding of economy or the job market in the slightest. Your just one of these layabouts that think the world owes them a living and try your best to manipulate a very generous system to your own advantage BCFC1911
  • Score: 2

3:20pm Thu 4 Sep 14

sexysam says...

Load of jobs for the unemployed. Clean Bradford up whilst you are getting your dole money
Load of jobs for the unemployed. Clean Bradford up whilst you are getting your dole money sexysam
  • Score: 0

3:24pm Thu 4 Sep 14

andycole989 says...

BCFC1911 wrote:
andycole989 wrote:
So what role does the Job Centre actually play? I assumed it was helping the unemployed look for work however, I have claimed job seekers allowance in the past and was never given the impression that the employees of the Job Centre wanted me to find a job but rather wanting to get rid of me ASAP. In my opinion it is a 'organisation' that is a waste of tax payers money and this is not down to the fact that there is a large amount of unemployed people claiming job seekers allowance and more to do with the Job Centre having no strict policies on finding people Jobs. The employees who are supposedly there to find you a job should be paid based on performance which in reality means if you find a job seeker a job you get paid your wage or a bonus of some sort and I assure you if that was the way you would get a lot more of the unemployed into work.
Or how about people take some personal responsibility and find a job themselves to support themselves and their families?

I realise this might sound crazy but it MIGHT just work
My argument is not based on the unemployed themselves even though you are right to a certain extent, Unemployment is an issue that needs to be tackled through so many different avenues but i feel there needs to be an alternative to the way in which the Job Centres are being run because at the moment the unemployed are being used as a 'scapegoat' in this whole debacle.
[quote][p][bold]BCFC1911[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]andycole989[/bold] wrote: So what role does the Job Centre actually play? I assumed it was helping the unemployed look for work however, I have claimed job seekers allowance in the past and was never given the impression that the employees of the Job Centre wanted me to find a job but rather wanting to get rid of me ASAP. In my opinion it is a 'organisation' that is a waste of tax payers money and this is not down to the fact that there is a large amount of unemployed people claiming job seekers allowance and more to do with the Job Centre having no strict policies on finding people Jobs. The employees who are supposedly there to find you a job should be paid based on performance which in reality means if you find a job seeker a job you get paid your wage or a bonus of some sort and I assure you if that was the way you would get a lot more of the unemployed into work.[/p][/quote]Or how about people take some personal responsibility and find a job themselves to support themselves and their families? I realise this might sound crazy but it MIGHT just work[/p][/quote]My argument is not based on the unemployed themselves even though you are right to a certain extent, Unemployment is an issue that needs to be tackled through so many different avenues but i feel there needs to be an alternative to the way in which the Job Centres are being run because at the moment the unemployed are being used as a 'scapegoat' in this whole debacle. andycole989
  • Score: 8

3:56pm Thu 4 Sep 14

siuansanche says...

Cityman23 wrote:
If unemployed are required to attend their local Job Centre, five days a week and don't live within walking distance of one, does all their transport costs come out of their benefit?
Probably. And if you can't afford to go in on one day, you shall have to continue paying the busfare to get there out of the nothing you get for the next month.
[quote][p][bold]Cityman23[/bold] wrote: If unemployed are required to attend their local Job Centre, five days a week and don't live within walking distance of one, does all their transport costs come out of their benefit?[/p][/quote]Probably. And if you can't afford to go in on one day, you shall have to continue paying the busfare to get there out of the nothing you get for the next month. siuansanche
  • Score: 7

3:57pm Thu 4 Sep 14

siuansanche says...

bd7 helper wrote:
Less crime
Because all benefit recipients are raging reprobates?
[quote][p][bold]bd7 helper[/bold] wrote: Less crime[/p][/quote]Because all benefit recipients are raging reprobates? siuansanche
  • Score: 6

3:58pm Thu 4 Sep 14

peterspan says...

southendfanman wrote:
Good luck Bradford, look at the religious demographic . I wonder if their is a link?
I wonder what the religious demographic is in Holmewood and Buttershaw?
[quote][p][bold]southendfanman[/bold] wrote: Good luck Bradford, look at the religious demographic . I wonder if their is a link?[/p][/quote]I wonder what the religious demographic is in Holmewood and Buttershaw? peterspan
  • Score: 9

4:01pm Thu 4 Sep 14

siuansanche says...

Makollig Jezvahted wrote:
Class_War wrote:
The Jobcentre is only a 10 min walk from my house so I'm not that bothered for myself but if you live miles away it would be impossible. I'll be able to easily sign each day and get back to bed asap. like it was all a bad dream...hahaha
Plenty of people don't live within a 10 minute walk of their place of work but they manage to get there every day. What makes the unemployed so special? You can bet travel will be paid for these visits too.
It won't. Travel isn't paid for normal JCP visits. They will tell the job seekers that they should have been doing this anyway out of the paltry amount they get. If I were on the dole, now, and required to do this, it would cost me £50 per week in travel and lunch etc while I was there. The remaining £24 per week would have to go on food for the rest of the day and weekends, gas, electricity, personal hygiene products, cleaning products... Completely unrealistic.
[quote][p][bold]Makollig Jezvahted[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Class_War[/bold] wrote: The Jobcentre is only a 10 min walk from my house so I'm not that bothered for myself but if you live miles away it would be impossible. I'll be able to easily sign each day and get back to bed asap. like it was all a bad dream...hahaha[/p][/quote]Plenty of people don't live within a 10 minute walk of their place of work but they manage to get there every day. What makes the unemployed so special? You can bet travel will be paid for these visits too.[/p][/quote]It won't. Travel isn't paid for normal JCP visits. They will tell the job seekers that they should have been doing this anyway out of the paltry amount they get. If I were on the dole, now, and required to do this, it would cost me £50 per week in travel and lunch etc while I was there. The remaining £24 per week would have to go on food for the rest of the day and weekends, gas, electricity, personal hygiene products, cleaning products... Completely unrealistic. siuansanche
  • Score: 13

4:03pm Thu 4 Sep 14

siuansanche says...

wrongsideofthetracks wrote:
Cityman23 wrote:
If unemployed are required to attend their local Job Centre, five days a week and don't live within walking distance of one, does all their transport costs come out of their benefit?
Hopefully!
I hope that those poor people who had to spend all their dole money getting to the JC everyday turn up at your house to raid your fridge and sit at your warm fire all winter, then.
[quote][p][bold]wrongsideofthetracks[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Cityman23[/bold] wrote: If unemployed are required to attend their local Job Centre, five days a week and don't live within walking distance of one, does all their transport costs come out of their benefit?[/p][/quote]Hopefully![/p][/quote]I hope that those poor people who had to spend all their dole money getting to the JC everyday turn up at your house to raid your fridge and sit at your warm fire all winter, then. siuansanche
  • Score: 11

4:30pm Thu 4 Sep 14

pellethead says...

Jobseekers MUST sabotage these plans at every opportunity. Wreck the computers. Yank phones from walls. Its the only way
Jobseekers MUST sabotage these plans at every opportunity. Wreck the computers. Yank phones from walls. Its the only way pellethead
  • Score: 0

4:50pm Thu 4 Sep 14

BierleyBoy says...

Good idea. If people are genuinely looking for work & seeking help to find it, their benefits are safe.

Lounge around all day wasting your time & being paid to do it, and you'll have a problem.

Davies is right, Ward sitting on the fence, Sutcliffe as ever a pointless waste of ink & Galloway, well what a complete waste of air.
Good idea. If people are genuinely looking for work & seeking help to find it, their benefits are safe. Lounge around all day wasting your time & being paid to do it, and you'll have a problem. Davies is right, Ward sitting on the fence, Sutcliffe as ever a pointless waste of ink & Galloway, well what a complete waste of air. BierleyBoy
  • Score: -11

5:02pm Thu 4 Sep 14

BradfordSte says...

I can't believe I'm reading some of these comments. All I hear is excuses. I've never been out of work once. I've been made redundant twice and had to deal with rubbish contracts but when I needed a job I took anything! I went out on the street handing out cv's and asking for work. I spent more hours than 9-5 looking for a job. So any of you who say you shouldn't have to go to the JobCentre everyday, well we shouldn't have to pay you benefits. Deal with life and take some responsibility for once and stop blaming everyone else for your misfortunes.
I can't believe I'm reading some of these comments. All I hear is excuses. I've never been out of work once. I've been made redundant twice and had to deal with rubbish contracts but when I needed a job I took anything! I went out on the street handing out cv's and asking for work. I spent more hours than 9-5 looking for a job. So any of you who say you shouldn't have to go to the JobCentre everyday, well we shouldn't have to pay you benefits. Deal with life and take some responsibility for once and stop blaming everyone else for your misfortunes. BradfordSte
  • Score: 0

5:02pm Thu 4 Sep 14

BCFC1911 says...

pellethead wrote:
Jobseekers MUST sabotage these plans at every opportunity. Wreck the computers. Yank phones from walls. Its the only way
Yes

How very dare they ask you to look for work...the cheek of some people

Public vandalism is the only way forward. On the way back from the job centre also set fire to a couple of cars in Allerton just for good measure
[quote][p][bold]pellethead[/bold] wrote: Jobseekers MUST sabotage these plans at every opportunity. Wreck the computers. Yank phones from walls. Its the only way[/p][/quote]Yes How very dare they ask you to look for work...the cheek of some people Public vandalism is the only way forward. On the way back from the job centre also set fire to a couple of cars in Allerton just for good measure BCFC1911
  • Score: -1

5:12pm Thu 4 Sep 14

BradfordSte says...

Class_War wrote:
Amazon? I have morals, I wouldn't work for a company such as they.
My exact point. Too picky. A job is a job.
[quote][p][bold]Class_War[/bold] wrote: Amazon? I have morals, I wouldn't work for a company such as they.[/p][/quote]My exact point. Too picky. A job is a job. BradfordSte
  • Score: 8

5:23pm Thu 4 Sep 14

BradfordSte says...

siuansanche wrote:
Makollig Jezvahted wrote:
Class_War wrote:
The Jobcentre is only a 10 min walk from my house so I'm not that bothered for myself but if you live miles away it would be impossible. I'll be able to easily sign each day and get back to bed asap. like it was all a bad dream...hahaha
Plenty of people don't live within a 10 minute walk of their place of work but they manage to get there every day. What makes the unemployed so special? You can bet travel will be paid for these visits too.
It won't. Travel isn't paid for normal JCP visits. They will tell the job seekers that they should have been doing this anyway out of the paltry amount they get. If I were on the dole, now, and required to do this, it would cost me £50 per week in travel and lunch etc while I was there. The remaining £24 per week would have to go on food for the rest of the day and weekends, gas, electricity, personal hygiene products, cleaning products... Completely unrealistic.
£50 a week? A first month bus pass is £52. Lunch? Make your own and take it. Asda do cheap things. I used to make my lunch and spend about £6 a week. My sums work out to it costing you about £76 a month, which you aren't actually paying for yourself. Excuses excuses
[quote][p][bold]siuansanche[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Makollig Jezvahted[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Class_War[/bold] wrote: The Jobcentre is only a 10 min walk from my house so I'm not that bothered for myself but if you live miles away it would be impossible. I'll be able to easily sign each day and get back to bed asap. like it was all a bad dream...hahaha[/p][/quote]Plenty of people don't live within a 10 minute walk of their place of work but they manage to get there every day. What makes the unemployed so special? You can bet travel will be paid for these visits too.[/p][/quote]It won't. Travel isn't paid for normal JCP visits. They will tell the job seekers that they should have been doing this anyway out of the paltry amount they get. If I were on the dole, now, and required to do this, it would cost me £50 per week in travel and lunch etc while I was there. The remaining £24 per week would have to go on food for the rest of the day and weekends, gas, electricity, personal hygiene products, cleaning products... Completely unrealistic.[/p][/quote]£50 a week? A first month bus pass is £52. Lunch? Make your own and take it. Asda do cheap things. I used to make my lunch and spend about £6 a week. My sums work out to it costing you about £76 a month, which you aren't actually paying for yourself. Excuses excuses BradfordSte
  • Score: 0

5:34pm Thu 4 Sep 14

ivegate says...

Surely people cannot live on £70 p.w, it is unreasonable as it would be practically impossible.
Surely people cannot live on £70 p.w, it is unreasonable as it would be practically impossible. ivegate
  • Score: 10

5:55pm Thu 4 Sep 14

Geoffreybubbles says...

Here's some maths 14,500 people unemployed if only half turn up that's 7,250 should I take my own chair
Here's some maths 14,500 people unemployed if only half turn up that's 7,250 should I take my own chair Geoffreybubbles
  • Score: 8

6:07pm Thu 4 Sep 14

dellorri says...

BCFC1911 wrote:
AAA.Happy.Man wrote:
Class_War wrote:
Don't forget, if you attend every day then you must waste as much of their time as possible. Ask wakward questions, demand that they check your jobsearch evidence in detail, take your time, fumble, drop things, play dumb, cause a commotion, make them regret it.
Well said, Class_War.
Before strikes were made illegal, it's what we called ''Working to Rule.'' and the Ruling Class, and their lick-spittle lackies, HATED it.
WHY?
'cos they had written the rules to enable them to discipline workers at any and every opportunity, and now those very rules and regulations were back-firing on them. They had no defence whatsoever when faced with their own Rule Book.
The Staff will bleat ''I'm only doing my job.''
That is the excuse of all collaborators, Quizlings and class traitors.
LOL funniest thing Ive read all day

So you are condoning wasting time and basically being an 4rse for the sake of it because someone is actually working and doing a job. You know these people that work in the JC are paying tax etc etc etc so effectively they are contributing to your benefits.

Whether you agree with Government policy or not this is totally the wrong way to go about it.

Still though if this is your mentality like Class War its easily understandable why no-one will employ you as you sound a right pain in the ****.

Your family probably feel the same as well
BCFC1911 you might not realise this, so I'll make it clear for you and others who dont get it, EVERYBODY is a taxpayer. Not only through indiaxes like VAT either, but some benefits are now classed as taxable income as well. including JSA, ESA, Carers allowance and pensions/pensions credits. Along with bereavement allowance (formerly widow/widowers pension). So forget this Taxpayers paying for "Scroungers" rubbish, it's just another divisive line tossed out by Herr Drunken Schmitt. to get people agitated against the sick/disabled and unemployed. As far as taxes go, WE are all in this together, unless you're a giant corporation like Vodaphone or Starbucks or Google, who can get away with NOT paying £BILLIONS in tax.rect t
[quote][p][bold]BCFC1911[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]AAA.Happy.Man[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Class_War[/bold] wrote: Don't forget, if you attend every day then you must waste as much of their time as possible. Ask wakward questions, demand that they check your jobsearch evidence in detail, take your time, fumble, drop things, play dumb, cause a commotion, make them regret it.[/p][/quote]Well said, Class_War. Before strikes were made illegal, it's what we called ''Working to Rule.'' and the Ruling Class, and their lick-spittle lackies, HATED it. WHY? 'cos they had written the rules to enable them to discipline workers at any and every opportunity, and now those very rules and regulations were back-firing on them. They had no defence whatsoever when faced with their own Rule Book. The Staff will bleat ''I'm only doing my job.'' That is the excuse of all collaborators, Quizlings and class traitors.[/p][/quote]LOL funniest thing Ive read all day So you are condoning wasting time and basically being an 4rse for the sake of it because someone is actually working and doing a job. You know these people that work in the JC are paying tax etc etc etc so effectively they are contributing to your benefits. Whether you agree with Government policy or not this is totally the wrong way to go about it. Still though if this is your mentality like Class War its easily understandable why no-one will employ you as you sound a right pain in the ****. Your family probably feel the same as well[/p][/quote]BCFC1911 you might not realise this, so I'll make it clear for you and others who dont get it, EVERYBODY is a taxpayer. Not only through indiaxes like VAT either, but some benefits are now classed as taxable income as well. including JSA, ESA, Carers allowance and pensions/pensions credits. Along with bereavement allowance (formerly widow/widowers pension). So forget this Taxpayers paying for "Scroungers" rubbish, it's just another divisive line tossed out by Herr Drunken Schmitt. to get people agitated against the sick/disabled and unemployed. As far as taxes go, WE are all in this together, unless you're a giant corporation like Vodaphone or Starbucks or Google, who can get away with NOT paying £BILLIONS in tax.rect t dellorri
  • Score: 14

6:20pm Thu 4 Sep 14

chickpea68 says...

Just for info the people this will apply to have been claiming JSA for at least three & a half years.

They will have to attend Jobcentres daily but the jobsearch will be carried out on a 3rd party premises & they will get expenses paid for fares incurred to attend.
Just for info the people this will apply to have been claiming JSA for at least three & a half years. They will have to attend Jobcentres daily but the jobsearch will be carried out on a 3rd party premises & they will get expenses paid for fares incurred to attend. chickpea68
  • Score: 4

6:27pm Thu 4 Sep 14

dellorri says...

BCFC1911 wrote:
AAA.Happy.Man wrote:
BCFC1911 wrote:
AAA.Happy.Man wrote:
Class_War wrote:
Don't forget, if you attend every day then you must waste as much of their time as possible. Ask wakward questions, demand that they check your jobsearch evidence in detail, take your time, fumble, drop things, play dumb, cause a commotion, make them regret it.
Well said, Class_War.
Before strikes were made illegal, it's what we called ''Working to Rule.'' and the Ruling Class, and their lick-spittle lackies, HATED it.
WHY?
'cos they had written the rules to enable them to discipline workers at any and every opportunity, and now those very rules and regulations were back-firing on them. They had no defence whatsoever when faced with their own Rule Book.
The Staff will bleat ''I'm only doing my job.''
That is the excuse of all collaborators, Quizlings and class traitors.
LOL funniest thing Ive read all day

So you are condoning wasting time and basically being an 4rse for the sake of it because someone is actually working and doing a job. You know these people that work in the JC are paying tax etc etc etc so effectively they are contributing to your benefits.

Whether you agree with Government policy or not this is totally the wrong way to go about it.

Still though if this is your mentality like Class War its easily understandable why no-one will employ you as you sound a right pain in the ****.

Your family probably feel the same as well
Far from it, dear boy.
Rules is Rules, and the swinging poverty and devastation visited upon anyone who doesn't abide by every nuanced word, phrase or sub, sub clause will be cast into an outer darkness,
Sans 'dole'
Sans food
Sans everything.
Far from wasting time, it is saving time - the Staff will know that everything is hunky dorey, and they will be able to de-stress instead of spending hours looking thru' endless Rules and Regs in-case they've missed an opportunity to starve some poor wretch into an early grave.
It will be a Great Leap Forward in the co-operation between IDS's Army, and the untermenschen he and his cabal of Billionaire Kleptocrats are turning millions into, whilst stuffing their overseas bank accounts.
We are the modern slaves, we don't even own our own bodies - the Gov't has legislated that if we withdraw our labour that is a criminal act, and we will go to jail. That, old chum, is SLAVERY.
The clue is in the name

JOB SEEKERS ALLOWANCE
Actually BCFC, the real clue is in the name National INSURANCE, which despite what the DWP and IDS would have you believe, was paid in by the large MAJORITY of JSA claimants who are now in effect making a claim on the contributions (PREMIUMS) they paid in. Also despite the figures you may have in mind, out of the vast amount the public are told is spent on welfare only 3% of the budget is paid out in JSA the lowest amount paid out in the whole welfare spending. Plus the UK as a percentage of GDP actually spends less on unemployment benefit than countries like Romania, Hungary and even Russia, coming as it does 47th in a list of 50 countries, whilst Romania was placed 18th highest spending. Does that tell you anything?
[quote][p][bold]BCFC1911[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]AAA.Happy.Man[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]BCFC1911[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]AAA.Happy.Man[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Class_War[/bold] wrote: Don't forget, if you attend every day then you must waste as much of their time as possible. Ask wakward questions, demand that they check your jobsearch evidence in detail, take your time, fumble, drop things, play dumb, cause a commotion, make them regret it.[/p][/quote]Well said, Class_War. Before strikes were made illegal, it's what we called ''Working to Rule.'' and the Ruling Class, and their lick-spittle lackies, HATED it. WHY? 'cos they had written the rules to enable them to discipline workers at any and every opportunity, and now those very rules and regulations were back-firing on them. They had no defence whatsoever when faced with their own Rule Book. The Staff will bleat ''I'm only doing my job.'' That is the excuse of all collaborators, Quizlings and class traitors.[/p][/quote]LOL funniest thing Ive read all day So you are condoning wasting time and basically being an 4rse for the sake of it because someone is actually working and doing a job. You know these people that work in the JC are paying tax etc etc etc so effectively they are contributing to your benefits. Whether you agree with Government policy or not this is totally the wrong way to go about it. Still though if this is your mentality like Class War its easily understandable why no-one will employ you as you sound a right pain in the ****. Your family probably feel the same as well[/p][/quote]Far from it, dear boy. Rules is Rules, and the swinging poverty and devastation visited upon anyone who doesn't abide by every nuanced word, phrase or sub, sub clause will be cast into an outer darkness, Sans 'dole' Sans food Sans everything. Far from wasting time, it is saving time - the Staff will know that everything is hunky dorey, and they will be able to de-stress instead of spending hours looking thru' endless Rules and Regs in-case they've missed an opportunity to starve some poor wretch into an early grave. It will be a Great Leap Forward in the co-operation between IDS's Army, and the untermenschen he and his cabal of Billionaire Kleptocrats are turning millions into, whilst stuffing their overseas bank accounts. We are the modern slaves, we don't even own our own bodies - the Gov't has legislated that if we withdraw our labour that is a criminal act, and we will go to jail. That, old chum, is SLAVERY.[/p][/quote]The clue is in the name JOB SEEKERS ALLOWANCE[/p][/quote]Actually BCFC, the real clue is in the name National INSURANCE, which despite what the DWP and IDS would have you believe, was paid in by the large MAJORITY of JSA claimants who are now in effect making a claim on the contributions (PREMIUMS) they paid in. Also despite the figures you may have in mind, out of the vast amount the public are told is spent on welfare only 3% of the budget is paid out in JSA the lowest amount paid out in the whole welfare spending. Plus the UK as a percentage of GDP actually spends less on unemployment benefit than countries like Romania, Hungary and even Russia, coming as it does 47th in a list of 50 countries, whilst Romania was placed 18th highest spending. Does that tell you anything? dellorri
  • Score: 8

7:25pm Thu 4 Sep 14

BCFC1911 says...

dellorri wrote:
BCFC1911 wrote:
AAA.Happy.Man wrote:
BCFC1911 wrote:
AAA.Happy.Man wrote:
Class_War wrote:
Don't forget, if you attend every day then you must waste as much of their time as possible. Ask wakward questions, demand that they check your jobsearch evidence in detail, take your time, fumble, drop things, play dumb, cause a commotion, make them regret it.
Well said, Class_War.
Before strikes were made illegal, it's what we called ''Working to Rule.'' and the Ruling Class, and their lick-spittle lackies, HATED it.
WHY?
'cos they had written the rules to enable them to discipline workers at any and every opportunity, and now those very rules and regulations were back-firing on them. They had no defence whatsoever when faced with their own Rule Book.
The Staff will bleat ''I'm only doing my job.''
That is the excuse of all collaborators, Quizlings and class traitors.
LOL funniest thing Ive read all day

So you are condoning wasting time and basically being an 4rse for the sake of it because someone is actually working and doing a job. You know these people that work in the JC are paying tax etc etc etc so effectively they are contributing to your benefits.

Whether you agree with Government policy or not this is totally the wrong way to go about it.

Still though if this is your mentality like Class War its easily understandable why no-one will employ you as you sound a right pain in the ****.

Your family probably feel the same as well
Far from it, dear boy.
Rules is Rules, and the swinging poverty and devastation visited upon anyone who doesn't abide by every nuanced word, phrase or sub, sub clause will be cast into an outer darkness,
Sans 'dole'
Sans food
Sans everything.
Far from wasting time, it is saving time - the Staff will know that everything is hunky dorey, and they will be able to de-stress instead of spending hours looking thru' endless Rules and Regs in-case they've missed an opportunity to starve some poor wretch into an early grave.
It will be a Great Leap Forward in the co-operation between IDS's Army, and the untermenschen he and his cabal of Billionaire Kleptocrats are turning millions into, whilst stuffing their overseas bank accounts.
We are the modern slaves, we don't even own our own bodies - the Gov't has legislated that if we withdraw our labour that is a criminal act, and we will go to jail. That, old chum, is SLAVERY.
The clue is in the name

JOB SEEKERS ALLOWANCE
Actually BCFC, the real clue is in the name National INSURANCE, which despite what the DWP and IDS would have you believe, was paid in by the large MAJORITY of JSA claimants who are now in effect making a claim on the contributions (PREMIUMS) they paid in. Also despite the figures you may have in mind, out of the vast amount the public are told is spent on welfare only 3% of the budget is paid out in JSA the lowest amount paid out in the whole welfare spending. Plus the UK as a percentage of GDP actually spends less on unemployment benefit than countries like Romania, Hungary and even Russia, coming as it does 47th in a list of 50 countries, whilst Romania was placed 18th highest spending. Does that tell you anything?
Yes it does

It tells me benefit is there to assist people in the short term that are able to work and people who are proper physically unable to work for longer

All these bleeding heart brigade comments should really understand what poverty is
[quote][p][bold]dellorri[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]BCFC1911[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]AAA.Happy.Man[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]BCFC1911[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]AAA.Happy.Man[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Class_War[/bold] wrote: Don't forget, if you attend every day then you must waste as much of their time as possible. Ask wakward questions, demand that they check your jobsearch evidence in detail, take your time, fumble, drop things, play dumb, cause a commotion, make them regret it.[/p][/quote]Well said, Class_War. Before strikes were made illegal, it's what we called ''Working to Rule.'' and the Ruling Class, and their lick-spittle lackies, HATED it. WHY? 'cos they had written the rules to enable them to discipline workers at any and every opportunity, and now those very rules and regulations were back-firing on them. They had no defence whatsoever when faced with their own Rule Book. The Staff will bleat ''I'm only doing my job.'' That is the excuse of all collaborators, Quizlings and class traitors.[/p][/quote]LOL funniest thing Ive read all day So you are condoning wasting time and basically being an 4rse for the sake of it because someone is actually working and doing a job. You know these people that work in the JC are paying tax etc etc etc so effectively they are contributing to your benefits. Whether you agree with Government policy or not this is totally the wrong way to go about it. Still though if this is your mentality like Class War its easily understandable why no-one will employ you as you sound a right pain in the ****. Your family probably feel the same as well[/p][/quote]Far from it, dear boy. Rules is Rules, and the swinging poverty and devastation visited upon anyone who doesn't abide by every nuanced word, phrase or sub, sub clause will be cast into an outer darkness, Sans 'dole' Sans food Sans everything. Far from wasting time, it is saving time - the Staff will know that everything is hunky dorey, and they will be able to de-stress instead of spending hours looking thru' endless Rules and Regs in-case they've missed an opportunity to starve some poor wretch into an early grave. It will be a Great Leap Forward in the co-operation between IDS's Army, and the untermenschen he and his cabal of Billionaire Kleptocrats are turning millions into, whilst stuffing their overseas bank accounts. We are the modern slaves, we don't even own our own bodies - the Gov't has legislated that if we withdraw our labour that is a criminal act, and we will go to jail. That, old chum, is SLAVERY.[/p][/quote]The clue is in the name JOB SEEKERS ALLOWANCE[/p][/quote]Actually BCFC, the real clue is in the name National INSURANCE, which despite what the DWP and IDS would have you believe, was paid in by the large MAJORITY of JSA claimants who are now in effect making a claim on the contributions (PREMIUMS) they paid in. Also despite the figures you may have in mind, out of the vast amount the public are told is spent on welfare only 3% of the budget is paid out in JSA the lowest amount paid out in the whole welfare spending. Plus the UK as a percentage of GDP actually spends less on unemployment benefit than countries like Romania, Hungary and even Russia, coming as it does 47th in a list of 50 countries, whilst Romania was placed 18th highest spending. Does that tell you anything?[/p][/quote]Yes it does It tells me benefit is there to assist people in the short term that are able to work and people who are proper physically unable to work for longer All these bleeding heart brigade comments should really understand what poverty is BCFC1911
  • Score: -4

7:29pm Thu 4 Sep 14

BCFC1911 says...

dellorri wrote:
BCFC1911 wrote:
AAA.Happy.Man wrote:
Class_War wrote:
Don't forget, if you attend every day then you must waste as much of their time as possible. Ask wakward questions, demand that they check your jobsearch evidence in detail, take your time, fumble, drop things, play dumb, cause a commotion, make them regret it.
Well said, Class_War.
Before strikes were made illegal, it's what we called ''Working to Rule.'' and the Ruling Class, and their lick-spittle lackies, HATED it.
WHY?
'cos they had written the rules to enable them to discipline workers at any and every opportunity, and now those very rules and regulations were back-firing on them. They had no defence whatsoever when faced with their own Rule Book.
The Staff will bleat ''I'm only doing my job.''
That is the excuse of all collaborators, Quizlings and class traitors.
LOL funniest thing Ive read all day

So you are condoning wasting time and basically being an 4rse for the sake of it because someone is actually working and doing a job. You know these people that work in the JC are paying tax etc etc etc so effectively they are contributing to your benefits.

Whether you agree with Government policy or not this is totally the wrong way to go about it.

Still though if this is your mentality like Class War its easily understandable why no-one will employ you as you sound a right pain in the ****.

Your family probably feel the same as well
BCFC1911 you might not realise this, so I'll make it clear for you and others who dont get it, EVERYBODY is a taxpayer. Not only through indiaxes like VAT either, but some benefits are now classed as taxable income as well. including JSA, ESA, Carers allowance and pensions/pensions credits. Along with bereavement allowance (formerly widow/widowers pension). So forget this Taxpayers paying for "Scroungers" rubbish, it's just another divisive line tossed out by Herr Drunken Schmitt. to get people agitated against the sick/disabled and unemployed. As far as taxes go, WE are all in this together, unless you're a giant corporation like Vodaphone or Starbucks or Google, who can get away with NOT paying £BILLIONS in tax.rect t
True everyone does pay

Just some more than others. For example what is fair about me working 50 hours a week and paying nearly 1500quid a month in tax when some people can't be bothered. Yes they may pay taxes through small purchase etc but why should I slog my heart out to support my family and myself when some can't be bothered
[quote][p][bold]dellorri[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]BCFC1911[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]AAA.Happy.Man[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Class_War[/bold] wrote: Don't forget, if you attend every day then you must waste as much of their time as possible. Ask wakward questions, demand that they check your jobsearch evidence in detail, take your time, fumble, drop things, play dumb, cause a commotion, make them regret it.[/p][/quote]Well said, Class_War. Before strikes were made illegal, it's what we called ''Working to Rule.'' and the Ruling Class, and their lick-spittle lackies, HATED it. WHY? 'cos they had written the rules to enable them to discipline workers at any and every opportunity, and now those very rules and regulations were back-firing on them. They had no defence whatsoever when faced with their own Rule Book. The Staff will bleat ''I'm only doing my job.'' That is the excuse of all collaborators, Quizlings and class traitors.[/p][/quote]LOL funniest thing Ive read all day So you are condoning wasting time and basically being an 4rse for the sake of it because someone is actually working and doing a job. You know these people that work in the JC are paying tax etc etc etc so effectively they are contributing to your benefits. Whether you agree with Government policy or not this is totally the wrong way to go about it. Still though if this is your mentality like Class War its easily understandable why no-one will employ you as you sound a right pain in the ****. Your family probably feel the same as well[/p][/quote]BCFC1911 you might not realise this, so I'll make it clear for you and others who dont get it, EVERYBODY is a taxpayer. Not only through indiaxes like VAT either, but some benefits are now classed as taxable income as well. including JSA, ESA, Carers allowance and pensions/pensions credits. Along with bereavement allowance (formerly widow/widowers pension). So forget this Taxpayers paying for "Scroungers" rubbish, it's just another divisive line tossed out by Herr Drunken Schmitt. to get people agitated against the sick/disabled and unemployed. As far as taxes go, WE are all in this together, unless you're a giant corporation like Vodaphone or Starbucks or Google, who can get away with NOT paying £BILLIONS in tax.rect t[/p][/quote]True everyone does pay Just some more than others. For example what is fair about me working 50 hours a week and paying nearly 1500quid a month in tax when some people can't be bothered. Yes they may pay taxes through small purchase etc but why should I slog my heart out to support my family and myself when some can't be bothered BCFC1911
  • Score: 2

8:47pm Thu 4 Sep 14

Arnold Palmer says...

Anyone who's had anything to do with the Job Centre or the private companies that get bunged millions of taxpayer's cash to run stupid schemes knows they're all totally useless at finding people jobs.

Every single unemployed person I've known who's found work has done so against the drag factor of endless petty demands and timewasting CV writing garbage.

Anyone with an ounce of intelligence must realise this insane pettiness is basically punishing the unemployed for being unemployed (even though capitalism requires unemployment to function) and wioll only waste people's time and hamper meaningful efforts to find work.

Will all these people have constant access to computers to fill in application forms and search the internet? I doubt it.

I think we need to turn our attention to the scroungers who leech away our hard earned cash each day. I am of course referring to the politicians and bosses.
Anyone who's had anything to do with the Job Centre or the private companies that get bunged millions of taxpayer's cash to run stupid schemes knows they're all totally useless at finding people jobs. Every single unemployed person I've known who's found work has done so against the drag factor of endless petty demands and timewasting CV writing garbage. Anyone with an ounce of intelligence must realise this insane pettiness is basically punishing the unemployed for being unemployed (even though capitalism requires unemployment to function) and wioll only waste people's time and hamper meaningful efforts to find work. Will all these people have constant access to computers to fill in application forms and search the internet? I doubt it. I think we need to turn our attention to the scroungers who leech away our hard earned cash each day. I am of course referring to the politicians and bosses. Arnold Palmer
  • Score: 17

9:02pm Thu 4 Sep 14

Local_Girl says...

Some shocking attitudes on here. The benefit is there to assist people who are making a genuine commitment to look for work. If you are doing that, why not demonstrate it in a Job Centre?

I have been signing on for less than two weeks, haven't even had my first payment yet. I have three interviews next week. How? By job searching 9-5, treating it like a full-time job and respecting those who pay into the system by doing everything I can to become independent as quickly as possible.
Some shocking attitudes on here. The benefit is there to assist people who are making a genuine commitment to look for work. If you are doing that, why not demonstrate it in a Job Centre? I have been signing on for less than two weeks, haven't even had my first payment yet. I have three interviews next week. How? By job searching 9-5, treating it like a full-time job and respecting those who pay into the system by doing everything I can to become independent as quickly as possible. Local_Girl
  • Score: 0

9:22pm Thu 4 Sep 14

Arnold Palmer says...

Local_Girl wrote:
Some shocking attitudes on here. The benefit is there to assist people who are making a genuine commitment to look for work. If you are doing that, why not demonstrate it in a Job Centre?

I have been signing on for less than two weeks, haven't even had my first payment yet. I have three interviews next week. How? By job searching 9-5, treating it like a full-time job and respecting those who pay into the system by doing everything I can to become independent as quickly as possible.
The people who fill your head with notions you're somehow scrounging if you receive a subsistence payment are people who do all they can to avoid 'paying into the system'.
MPs get £100 a week just to buy lunch and claim expenses for all and sundry, yet expect us be irate about those getting £70 a week to live on. Companies like Amazon pay virtually no tax on immense revenue yet it's people claiming their piddling dole who are a drain on resources.

It's unbelievable how ordinary people have turned on each other to fight over the crumbs from the table while the parasites at the top sit back and laugh.

I work 6 days a week but don't begrudge anyone their dole. I think we all have a right to a basic income and if we gey a similar amount by working it's because wages are too low, not because dole is too high.

The servile, acquiescent nature of the modern British public towards a gaggle of insanely wealthy pampered toffs truly sickens me. We used to fight back against these people, now simply parrot what they tell us to and believe it's our duty to slave away to line their tax dodging pockets while they cut and/or privatise every single national public service we fought for.

Wake up for God's sake.
[quote][p][bold]Local_Girl[/bold] wrote: Some shocking attitudes on here. The benefit is there to assist people who are making a genuine commitment to look for work. If you are doing that, why not demonstrate it in a Job Centre? I have been signing on for less than two weeks, haven't even had my first payment yet. I have three interviews next week. How? By job searching 9-5, treating it like a full-time job and respecting those who pay into the system by doing everything I can to become independent as quickly as possible.[/p][/quote]The people who fill your head with notions you're somehow scrounging if you receive a subsistence payment are people who do all they can to avoid 'paying into the system'. MPs get £100 a week just to buy lunch and claim expenses for all and sundry, yet expect us be irate about those getting £70 a week to live on. Companies like Amazon pay virtually no tax on immense revenue yet it's people claiming their piddling dole who are a drain on resources. It's unbelievable how ordinary people have turned on each other to fight over the crumbs from the table while the parasites at the top sit back and laugh. I work 6 days a week but don't begrudge anyone their dole. I think we all have a right to a basic income and if we gey a similar amount by working it's because wages are too low, not because dole is too high. The servile, acquiescent nature of the modern British public towards a gaggle of insanely wealthy pampered toffs truly sickens me. We used to fight back against these people, now simply parrot what they tell us to and believe it's our duty to slave away to line their tax dodging pockets while they cut and/or privatise every single national public service we fought for. Wake up for God's sake. Arnold Palmer
  • Score: 25

9:30pm Thu 4 Sep 14

Local_Girl says...

I don't think that receiving a subsistence payment is scrounging if it's treated as a short-term measure to support you while you seek work. What I object to is people choosing a life on benefits and then claiming an imposition when they're asked to fulfill the conditions of the benefit they have signed up for (actively seeking work).
I don't think that receiving a subsistence payment is scrounging if it's treated as a short-term measure to support you while you seek work. What I object to is people choosing a life on benefits and then claiming an imposition when they're asked to fulfill the conditions of the benefit they have signed up for (actively seeking work). Local_Girl
  • Score: -2

9:36pm Thu 4 Sep 14

P JayJay says...

Well if any of you commenter's with jobs would like to trade places with me then please contact me asap.
Well if any of you commenter's with jobs would like to trade places with me then please contact me asap. P JayJay
  • Score: 8

9:47pm Thu 4 Sep 14

Class_War says...

Phew, that was a close one, nearly had me there...I got suckered in to reacting to the Fear being perpetuated by both the Government and the Media, in this case T & A. I also fell fowl, temporarily, of another greatly affecting factor; the Moon. We are now entered 3/4, and I am one of those unfortunate Souls so as to be much influenced. This sh! t doesn't apply to me for the time-being, and my medication arrived so all in all am feeling much more relaxed about life in general....so sorry for being a little 'tetchy' in earlier posts, but the situation, and constant denial/propaganda is not doing my blood pressure in good. T&A and IDS/Osborne represent a facade, and it will crumble......roll on May 2015. I feel sorry for those who don't have a network of friends & neighbours who help each other out, 'Big Society' in action, the Poor helping the Poor because The State has abandoned them. The Politicians manipulate Joe Public via the Media, a high percentage are not aware enough so take it all in and fall for the lies. Society is manipulated back and forth, hither and thither, public opinion swayed by those in power who practice their 'State Craft' upon us. We are Pawns in their game. On a lighter note, I found an unopened tin of value spaghetti yesterday dumped over a fence where people dump rubbish/stolen property, which was nice if rather unusual.
Phew, that was a close one, nearly had me there...I got suckered in to reacting to the Fear being perpetuated by both the Government and the Media, in this case T & A. I also fell fowl, temporarily, of another greatly affecting factor; the Moon. We are now entered 3/4, and I am one of those unfortunate Souls so as to be much influenced. This sh! t doesn't apply to me for the time-being, and my medication arrived so all in all am feeling much more relaxed about life in general....so sorry for being a little 'tetchy' in earlier posts, but the situation, and constant denial/propaganda is not doing my blood pressure in good. T&A and IDS/Osborne represent a facade, and it will crumble......roll on May 2015. I feel sorry for those who don't have a network of friends & neighbours who help each other out, 'Big Society' in action, the Poor helping the Poor because The State has abandoned them. The Politicians manipulate Joe Public via the Media, a high percentage are not aware enough so take it all in and fall for the lies. Society is manipulated back and forth, hither and thither, public opinion swayed by those in power who practice their 'State Craft' upon us. We are Pawns in their game. On a lighter note, I found an unopened tin of value spaghetti yesterday dumped over a fence where people dump rubbish/stolen property, which was nice if rather unusual. Class_War
  • Score: 9

9:55pm Thu 4 Sep 14

lisers says...

Albion. wrote:
"Meanwhile, those with deep-rooted problems must attend therapy sessions to deal with poor literacy, or drink and drug addiction."

That should take care of a very large number then.
there is very little help for those with drink and drug problems and even less since this government with all the cuts
[quote][p][bold]Albion.[/bold] wrote: "Meanwhile, those with deep-rooted problems must attend therapy sessions to deal with poor literacy, or drink and drug addiction." That should take care of a very large number then.[/p][/quote]there is very little help for those with drink and drug problems and even less since this government with all the cuts lisers
  • Score: 9

9:58pm Thu 4 Sep 14

Class_War says...

@ Local_Girl says...

"people choosing a life on benefits"

Sorry but that's often repeated but not true. If you think about, no one is going to choose to be at the bottom, pi$$ poor all their lives, it happens for a variety of reasons, and ther is a large section of the public who struggle to fit in to the world, to society. There will always be more workers than jobs, and that's expanding constantly because of new technology. It's a myth that everyone has sky tv, I wouldn't even want it anyway, let alone afford a tv. No one chooses to never have a holiday, or to have no bus fare, ever, or transport. Sh1t happens to people and it's not nice. Society, if there is to be one, a Civilized Nation would surely demand it, has a responsibility and a need and obligation to own existence to care for the Poor. It is not functioning correctly if it is creating further and worsening poverty. People don't consciously choose it. Good night!
@ Local_Girl says... "people choosing a life on benefits" Sorry but that's often repeated but not true. If you think about, no one is going to choose to be at the bottom, pi$$ poor all their lives, it happens for a variety of reasons, and ther is a large section of the public who struggle to fit in to the world, to society. There will always be more workers than jobs, and that's expanding constantly because of new technology. It's a myth that everyone has sky tv, I wouldn't even want it anyway, let alone afford a tv. No one chooses to never have a holiday, or to have no bus fare, ever, or transport. Sh1t happens to people and it's not nice. Society, if there is to be one, a Civilized Nation would surely demand it, has a responsibility and a need and obligation to own existence to care for the Poor. It is not functioning correctly if it is creating further and worsening poverty. People don't consciously choose it. Good night! Class_War
  • Score: 13

10:03pm Thu 4 Sep 14

Local_Girl says...

But I don't understand why anyone who genuinely wanted a job would object to looking 9-5 for one.
But I don't understand why anyone who genuinely wanted a job would object to looking 9-5 for one. Local_Girl
  • Score: -1

10:09pm Thu 4 Sep 14

lisers says...

Mr Capp wrote:
Class_War wrote:
@ Mr Capp

yeah but you get paid for it, we don't. If you're jealous you could always quit your job and sign on, either that or just STFU.
Yes lets all pack work in and be wasters like you. Now tell me Mr Braindead where the money would then come from to fund the public services and keep you in the slum lifestyle you clearly relish! Its n@bheads like you that give this city a bad name.
he isn't the one accusing you of living in a slum and verbally attacking him even if it is online .you cant attack someone by insulting them because you don't like their views surely you can see its you letting your home town down with your rhetoric
[quote][p][bold]Mr Capp[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Class_War[/bold] wrote: @ Mr Capp yeah but you get paid for it, we don't. If you're jealous you could always quit your job and sign on, either that or just STFU.[/p][/quote]Yes lets all pack work in and be wasters like you. Now tell me Mr Braindead where the money would then come from to fund the public services and keep you in the slum lifestyle you clearly relish! Its n@bheads like you that give this city a bad name.[/p][/quote]he isn't the one accusing you of living in a slum and verbally attacking him even if it is online .you cant attack someone by insulting them because you don't like their views surely you can see its you letting your home town down with your rhetoric lisers
  • Score: 6

10:25pm Thu 4 Sep 14

leedsjon says...

Phil Davies (Con,Shipley MP) must be a complete tosser. When you represent a constituency like Shipley - which has high levels of unemployment like Keighley and Bradford, are comments like this one: -

'It’s quite right that unemployed people treat looking for work as a full-time job, it is completely unacceptable for them to be loafing at home watching TV'

really going to win you ANY votes from local people in the runup to a General Election?!! - Leaving the debate about the sheer immorality of this new regime aside for one moment, this kind of comment simply sums up just how out of touch with the harsh reality faced every day by large numbers of his own constituents he is. Quite frankly, I think he's just committed political suicide by making this comment.
Phil Davies (Con,Shipley MP) must be a complete tosser. When you represent a constituency like Shipley - which has high levels of unemployment like Keighley and Bradford, are comments like this one: - 'It’s quite right that unemployed people treat looking for work as a full-time job, it is completely unacceptable for them to be loafing at home watching TV' really going to win you ANY votes from local people in the runup to a General Election?!! - Leaving the debate about the sheer immorality of this new regime aside for one moment, this kind of comment simply sums up just how out of touch with the harsh reality faced every day by large numbers of his own constituents he is. Quite frankly, I think he's just committed political suicide by making this comment. leedsjon
  • Score: 6

10:33pm Thu 4 Sep 14

leedsjon says...

Makollig Jezvahted says: -

'Plenty of people don't live within a 10 minute walk of their place of work but they manage to get there every day. What makes the unemployed so special? You can bet travel will be paid for these visits too'

So you expect them to pay out of their own pockets to travel as well do you? Even people with a job get subsidised travel (travel passes etc) to allow them to get to work. In point of fact I can tell you their travel will be reimbursed - current benefit rules say that when a claimant has to go to the job centre on a day which is not their normal signing day, travel expenses can be claimed - which will simply increase the costs of this draconian programme to the govt (and therefore the taxpayer) even more.
Makollig Jezvahted says: - 'Plenty of people don't live within a 10 minute walk of their place of work but they manage to get there every day. What makes the unemployed so special? You can bet travel will be paid for these visits too' So you expect them to pay out of their own pockets to travel as well do you? Even people with a job get subsidised travel (travel passes etc) to allow them to get to work. In point of fact I can tell you their travel will be reimbursed - current benefit rules say that when a claimant has to go to the job centre on a day which is not their normal signing day, travel expenses can be claimed - which will simply increase the costs of this draconian programme to the govt (and therefore the taxpayer) even more. leedsjon
  • Score: 1

10:37pm Thu 4 Sep 14

lisers says...

BCFC1911 wrote:
Class_War wrote:
IDFS is deliberately causing hardship for millions of people with his insane 'Welfare Reforms' that are nothing but a cull of the Poor. And in this case he is trying to provoke Riots, which could well happen in Bradford, and most probably will.
The cuts are long overdue and rightly so

May they go deeper and further than ever

Amazingly and quite amusing all the people on here moaning about these reforms when they could be looking for a job.

Even more amazing is all the posters moaning about being skint when they have internet access or at very least a 3g connection.

For me personally I hope further cuts and sanctions are placed on people that simply do not follow the rules when it comes to following the agreement you have to claim benefits
just shows what you know for a start all phones and computers have been taken out of job centers all claims and job seeking must be done on line ,i am lucky that i have a small online business so am not caught up in this but i do know people that are and its true they make it has hard for people as possible.,my brother in law worked for thirty odd years self employed and for the first time has had to sign on and has seen for himself the shambles and air of punishments for the sick disabled and yes unemployed
[quote][p][bold]BCFC1911[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Class_War[/bold] wrote: IDFS is deliberately causing hardship for millions of people with his insane 'Welfare Reforms' that are nothing but a cull of the Poor. And in this case he is trying to provoke Riots, which could well happen in Bradford, and most probably will.[/p][/quote]The cuts are long overdue and rightly so May they go deeper and further than ever Amazingly and quite amusing all the people on here moaning about these reforms when they could be looking for a job. Even more amazing is all the posters moaning about being skint when they have internet access or at very least a 3g connection. For me personally I hope further cuts and sanctions are placed on people that simply do not follow the rules when it comes to following the agreement you have to claim benefits[/p][/quote]just shows what you know for a start all phones and computers have been taken out of job centers all claims and job seeking must be done on line ,i am lucky that i have a small online business so am not caught up in this but i do know people that are and its true they make it has hard for people as possible.,my brother in law worked for thirty odd years self employed and for the first time has had to sign on and has seen for himself the shambles and air of punishments for the sick disabled and yes unemployed lisers
  • Score: 13

11:15pm Thu 4 Sep 14

P JayJay says...

So none of you workers are willing to trade places then.
So none of you workers are willing to trade places then. P JayJay
  • Score: 6

11:16pm Thu 4 Sep 14

Arnold Palmer says...

Local_Girl wrote:
I don't think that receiving a subsistence payment is scrounging if it's treated as a short-term measure to support you while you seek work. What I object to is people choosing a life on benefits and then claiming an imposition when they're asked to fulfill the conditions of the benefit they have signed up for (actively seeking work).
If you don't like people choosing a life on benefits, then start thinking about the large corporations who suck up vast amounts of taxpayer's money in subsidies while avoiding paying any tax.

There should be NO conditions attached to being able to get by - unless you favour the kind of Victorian workhouse mentality politicians want to drag us back into and the media uncritically regurgitate. For God's sake, the government are about to adopt a deal (TTIP) that means private corporations can sue them if any of their policies interfere with their profits (irrespective of whether that policy is to help vulnerable people or something) and you're worried about some sense of responsibility for being able to feed yourself???? Do you ^honestly^ think you owe pasty, puffed up little public school toffs like George Osboune who've never had a real job in their life some kind of obligation to leap into whatever drudgery you can find? Is that what you think life should be about? Doffing your cap to the master as you scurry off to the mill?
Personally, I want to live in a civilised society that values cooperation and doing stuff that needs to be done, not working for the sake of it by sitting in call centres hassling people to buy kitchens they don't want and whatever., not some corporate slave state where we're all mindless worker bees for a minority of rich parasites systemically stripping away everything ordinary working people fought for.

Does your life simply revolve around using your labour to make someone else rich as the gap between rich and poor widens and the value of your earnings decreases? The entirety of the out of work benefits bill is NOTHING compared to the dizzying amounts the people at the top are shafting out of us all.

Besides which, the fact is, the overwhemling majority of people get bored if they're not doing something. How many people opt for 'a life on benefits' as some sort of lifestyle choice? Seriously? Personally, when I was on the dole I found it a dour, tedious hand to mouth existence.
And the people who know how to fiddle the system will always get by as they know how to fiddle the system. The people worst hit are always the most vulnerable.
[quote][p][bold]Local_Girl[/bold] wrote: I don't think that receiving a subsistence payment is scrounging if it's treated as a short-term measure to support you while you seek work. What I object to is people choosing a life on benefits and then claiming an imposition when they're asked to fulfill the conditions of the benefit they have signed up for (actively seeking work).[/p][/quote]If you don't like people choosing a life on benefits, then start thinking about the large corporations who suck up vast amounts of taxpayer's money in subsidies while avoiding paying any tax. There should be NO conditions attached to being able to get by - unless you favour the kind of Victorian workhouse mentality politicians want to drag us back into and the media uncritically regurgitate. For God's sake, the government are about to adopt a deal (TTIP) that means private corporations can sue them if any of their policies interfere with their profits (irrespective of whether that policy is to help vulnerable people or something) and you're worried about some sense of responsibility for being able to feed yourself???? Do you ^honestly^ think you owe pasty, puffed up little public school toffs like George Osboune who've never had a real job in their life some kind of obligation to leap into whatever drudgery you can find? Is that what you think life should be about? Doffing your cap to the master as you scurry off to the mill? Personally, I want to live in a civilised society that values cooperation and doing stuff that needs to be done, not working for the sake of it by sitting in call centres hassling people to buy kitchens they don't want and whatever., not some corporate slave state where we're all mindless worker bees for a minority of rich parasites systemically stripping away everything ordinary working people fought for. Does your life simply revolve around using your labour to make someone else rich as the gap between rich and poor widens and the value of your earnings decreases? The entirety of the out of work benefits bill is NOTHING compared to the dizzying amounts the people at the top are shafting out of us all. Besides which, the fact is, the overwhemling majority of people get bored if they're not doing something. How many people opt for 'a life on benefits' as some sort of lifestyle choice? Seriously? Personally, when I was on the dole I found it a dour, tedious hand to mouth existence. And the people who know how to fiddle the system will always get by as they know how to fiddle the system. The people worst hit are always the most vulnerable. Arnold Palmer
  • Score: 19

3:08am Fri 5 Sep 14

Gypsy Wolf says...

Mr Capp wrote:
Class_War wrote:
@ Mr Capp

yeah but you get paid for it, we don't. If you're jealous you could always quit your job and sign on, either that or just STFU.
Yes lets all pack work in and be wasters like you. Now tell me Mr Braindead where the money would then come from to fund the public services and keep you in the slum lifestyle you clearly relish! Its n@bheads like you that give this city a bad name.
Your ignorance on this subject shines through like a beacon. Perhaps you should actually get some idea of what you are talking about before you start taking shide little digs at people. Go away....
[quote][p][bold]Mr Capp[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Class_War[/bold] wrote: @ Mr Capp yeah but you get paid for it, we don't. If you're jealous you could always quit your job and sign on, either that or just STFU.[/p][/quote]Yes lets all pack work in and be wasters like you. Now tell me Mr Braindead where the money would then come from to fund the public services and keep you in the slum lifestyle you clearly relish! Its n@bheads like you that give this city a bad name.[/p][/quote]Your ignorance on this subject shines through like a beacon. Perhaps you should actually get some idea of what you are talking about before you start taking shide little digs at people. Go away.... Gypsy Wolf
  • Score: 8

3:18am Fri 5 Sep 14

khan bfd says...

Albion. wrote:
"Meanwhile, those with deep-rooted problems must attend therapy sessions to deal with poor literacy, or drink and drug addiction."

That should take care of a very large number then.
This scheme should be abolished. If your looking for work https://m.facebook.c
om/profile.php?id=28
6392411560202
[quote][p][bold]Albion.[/bold] wrote: "Meanwhile, those with deep-rooted problems must attend therapy sessions to deal with poor literacy, or drink and drug addiction." That should take care of a very large number then.[/p][/quote]This scheme should be abolished. If your looking for work https://m.facebook.c om/profile.php?id=28 6392411560202 khan bfd
  • Score: 0

7:02am Fri 5 Sep 14

cmills says...

leedsjon wrote:
Makollig Jezvahted says: -

'Plenty of people don't live within a 10 minute walk of their place of work but they manage to get there every day. What makes the unemployed so special? You can bet travel will be paid for these visits too'

So you expect them to pay out of their own pockets to travel as well do you? Even people with a job get subsidised travel (travel passes etc) to allow them to get to work. In point of fact I can tell you their travel will be reimbursed - current benefit rules say that when a claimant has to go to the job centre on a day which is not their normal signing day, travel expenses can be claimed - which will simply increase the costs of this draconian programme to the govt (and therefore the taxpayer) even more.
Every day -please all the people complaining about the unemployed don`t work that hard - as far as I can see they are as bad as each other. Many people here are just lazy people annoyed because they work - but I bet none of them would actually change palaces with the unemployed
[quote][p][bold]leedsjon[/bold] wrote: Makollig Jezvahted says: - 'Plenty of people don't live within a 10 minute walk of their place of work but they manage to get there every day. What makes the unemployed so special? You can bet travel will be paid for these visits too' So you expect them to pay out of their own pockets to travel as well do you? Even people with a job get subsidised travel (travel passes etc) to allow them to get to work. In point of fact I can tell you their travel will be reimbursed - current benefit rules say that when a claimant has to go to the job centre on a day which is not their normal signing day, travel expenses can be claimed - which will simply increase the costs of this draconian programme to the govt (and therefore the taxpayer) even more.[/p][/quote]Every day -please all the people complaining about the unemployed don`t work that hard - as far as I can see they are as bad as each other. Many people here are just lazy people annoyed because they work - but I bet none of them would actually change palaces with the unemployed cmills
  • Score: 6

8:45am Fri 5 Sep 14

BCFC1911 says...

Local_Girl wrote:
Some shocking attitudes on here. The benefit is there to assist people who are making a genuine commitment to look for work. If you are doing that, why not demonstrate it in a Job Centre?

I have been signing on for less than two weeks, haven't even had my first payment yet. I have three interviews next week. How? By job searching 9-5, treating it like a full-time job and respecting those who pay into the system by doing everything I can to become independent as quickly as possible.
Well done...exactly the right attitude to take

Just goes to show with dedication and devotion you can secure a role if you work hard enough at it
[quote][p][bold]Local_Girl[/bold] wrote: Some shocking attitudes on here. The benefit is there to assist people who are making a genuine commitment to look for work. If you are doing that, why not demonstrate it in a Job Centre? I have been signing on for less than two weeks, haven't even had my first payment yet. I have three interviews next week. How? By job searching 9-5, treating it like a full-time job and respecting those who pay into the system by doing everything I can to become independent as quickly as possible.[/p][/quote]Well done...exactly the right attitude to take Just goes to show with dedication and devotion you can secure a role if you work hard enough at it BCFC1911
  • Score: -3

8:49am Fri 5 Sep 14

BCFC1911 says...

leedsjon wrote:
Phil Davies (Con,Shipley MP) must be a complete tosser. When you represent a constituency like Shipley - which has high levels of unemployment like Keighley and Bradford, are comments like this one: -

'It’s quite right that unemployed people treat looking for work as a full-time job, it is completely unacceptable for them to be loafing at home watching TV'

really going to win you ANY votes from local people in the runup to a General Election?!! - Leaving the debate about the sheer immorality of this new regime aside for one moment, this kind of comment simply sums up just how out of touch with the harsh reality faced every day by large numbers of his own constituents he is. Quite frankly, I think he's just committed political suicide by making this comment.
well he has my vote.

Please explain what is exactly wrong with his statement?
[quote][p][bold]leedsjon[/bold] wrote: Phil Davies (Con,Shipley MP) must be a complete tosser. When you represent a constituency like Shipley - which has high levels of unemployment like Keighley and Bradford, are comments like this one: - 'It’s quite right that unemployed people treat looking for work as a full-time job, it is completely unacceptable for them to be loafing at home watching TV' really going to win you ANY votes from local people in the runup to a General Election?!! - Leaving the debate about the sheer immorality of this new regime aside for one moment, this kind of comment simply sums up just how out of touch with the harsh reality faced every day by large numbers of his own constituents he is. Quite frankly, I think he's just committed political suicide by making this comment.[/p][/quote]well he has my vote. Please explain what is exactly wrong with his statement? BCFC1911
  • Score: -3

9:21am Fri 5 Sep 14

cmills says...

BCFC1911 wrote:
Local_Girl wrote:
Some shocking attitudes on here. The benefit is there to assist people who are making a genuine commitment to look for work. If you are doing that, why not demonstrate it in a Job Centre?

I have been signing on for less than two weeks, haven't even had my first payment yet. I have three interviews next week. How? By job searching 9-5, treating it like a full-time job and respecting those who pay into the system by doing everything I can to become independent as quickly as possible.
Well done...exactly the right attitude to take

Just goes to show with dedication and devotion you can secure a role if you work hard enough at it
She`s naive and your patronizing
[quote][p][bold]BCFC1911[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Local_Girl[/bold] wrote: Some shocking attitudes on here. The benefit is there to assist people who are making a genuine commitment to look for work. If you are doing that, why not demonstrate it in a Job Centre? I have been signing on for less than two weeks, haven't even had my first payment yet. I have three interviews next week. How? By job searching 9-5, treating it like a full-time job and respecting those who pay into the system by doing everything I can to become independent as quickly as possible.[/p][/quote]Well done...exactly the right attitude to take Just goes to show with dedication and devotion you can secure a role if you work hard enough at it[/p][/quote]She`s naive and your patronizing cmills
  • Score: 8

9:52am Fri 5 Sep 14

BertSanders says...

Class_War wrote:
Actually what the government should do is resign and call a General Election.
Do tell us why - they say we are doing better that the European nations
but not as well as N. America or Canada. More people are in work than ever.
Europe has a negative interest rate. So why call an election?
[quote][p][bold]Class_War[/bold] wrote: Actually what the government should do is resign and call a General Election.[/p][/quote]Do tell us why - they say we are doing better that the European nations but not as well as N. America or Canada. More people are in work than ever. Europe has a negative interest rate. So why call an election? BertSanders
  • Score: -3

10:14am Fri 5 Sep 14

Sparky53 says...

So how many hundreds/thousands will be attending each office every week day? Do they have all the computers/job points (not to mention staff) to cope with this? Wouldn't this actually be risking a disorderly mob situation? What about transport costs/parking? Overcrowding/fire regulations? The list of potential problems is endless.

Clearly this plan hasn't been thought through.

Those genuinely seeking work are able to do so via their homes if they have the Internet and and phone, and only really need to travel for appointments with potential employers and to sign on once a week. All vacancies available at the job points are also viewable on the Net. It is unlikely they will be able to get near a phone or a computer in the melee that the job centre plus offices wil become.

The skivers with nothing wrong with them other than 'sticky back syndrome' certainly need to be targeted, but why victimise genuine job-seekers along with them?

Ham-fisted, shortsighted and plain stupid.
So how many hundreds/thousands will be attending each office every week day? Do they have all the computers/job points (not to mention staff) to cope with this? Wouldn't this actually be risking a disorderly mob situation? What about transport costs/parking? Overcrowding/fire regulations? The list of potential problems is endless. Clearly this plan hasn't been thought through. Those genuinely seeking work are able to do so via their homes if they have the Internet and and phone, and only really need to travel for appointments with potential employers and to sign on once a week. All vacancies available at the job points are also viewable on the Net. It is unlikely they will be able to get near a phone or a computer in the melee that the job centre plus offices wil become. The skivers with nothing wrong with them other than 'sticky back syndrome' certainly need to be targeted, but why victimise genuine job-seekers along with them? Ham-fisted, shortsighted and plain stupid. Sparky53
  • Score: 7

10:16am Fri 5 Sep 14

BCFC1911 says...

cmills wrote:
BCFC1911 wrote:
Local_Girl wrote:
Some shocking attitudes on here. The benefit is there to assist people who are making a genuine commitment to look for work. If you are doing that, why not demonstrate it in a Job Centre?

I have been signing on for less than two weeks, haven't even had my first payment yet. I have three interviews next week. How? By job searching 9-5, treating it like a full-time job and respecting those who pay into the system by doing everything I can to become independent as quickly as possible.
Well done...exactly the right attitude to take

Just goes to show with dedication and devotion you can secure a role if you work hard enough at it
She`s naive and your patronizing
ah the all too common woo is me attitude

Beleive it or not there are more jobs availbale now in West Yorkshire than there has been in the last 15 years.

Dont let that stop the moaning " there are no jobs" brigade though

What they really are saying is they want an employer to knock on their door and hand them a £100k offer of employment or nothing else is good enough

I wish some of the benefit claimants could experience life in other countries sometime. They would soon realise about personal responsibility and taking account of your own future rather than have their backsides wiped by the state.
[quote][p][bold]cmills[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]BCFC1911[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Local_Girl[/bold] wrote: Some shocking attitudes on here. The benefit is there to assist people who are making a genuine commitment to look for work. If you are doing that, why not demonstrate it in a Job Centre? I have been signing on for less than two weeks, haven't even had my first payment yet. I have three interviews next week. How? By job searching 9-5, treating it like a full-time job and respecting those who pay into the system by doing everything I can to become independent as quickly as possible.[/p][/quote]Well done...exactly the right attitude to take Just goes to show with dedication and devotion you can secure a role if you work hard enough at it[/p][/quote]She`s naive and your patronizing[/p][/quote]ah the all too common woo is me attitude Beleive it or not there are more jobs availbale now in West Yorkshire than there has been in the last 15 years. Dont let that stop the moaning " there are no jobs" brigade though What they really are saying is they want an employer to knock on their door and hand them a £100k offer of employment or nothing else is good enough I wish some of the benefit claimants could experience life in other countries sometime. They would soon realise about personal responsibility and taking account of your own future rather than have their backsides wiped by the state. BCFC1911
  • Score: -4

10:19am Fri 5 Sep 14

BCFC1911 says...

Sparky53 wrote:
So how many hundreds/thousands will be attending each office every week day? Do they have all the computers/job points (not to mention staff) to cope with this? Wouldn't this actually be risking a disorderly mob situation? What about transport costs/parking? Overcrowding/fire regulations? The list of potential problems is endless.

Clearly this plan hasn't been thought through.

Those genuinely seeking work are able to do so via their homes if they have the Internet and and phone, and only really need to travel for appointments with potential employers and to sign on once a week. All vacancies available at the job points are also viewable on the Net. It is unlikely they will be able to get near a phone or a computer in the melee that the job centre plus offices wil become.

The skivers with nothing wrong with them other than 'sticky back syndrome' certainly need to be targeted, but why victimise genuine job-seekers along with them?

Ham-fisted, shortsighted and plain stupid.
Not really as this scheme is only for the "sticky back syndrome" so your point is totally invalid. The IT equipment remaining from Olicana house is being used so there is plenty of PC's and also plenty of room to accommodate this.

So yes it has been thought through and no it isnt going to do any harm so how can any object unless they simply do not want to work
[quote][p][bold]Sparky53[/bold] wrote: So how many hundreds/thousands will be attending each office every week day? Do they have all the computers/job points (not to mention staff) to cope with this? Wouldn't this actually be risking a disorderly mob situation? What about transport costs/parking? Overcrowding/fire regulations? The list of potential problems is endless. Clearly this plan hasn't been thought through. Those genuinely seeking work are able to do so via their homes if they have the Internet and and phone, and only really need to travel for appointments with potential employers and to sign on once a week. All vacancies available at the job points are also viewable on the Net. It is unlikely they will be able to get near a phone or a computer in the melee that the job centre plus offices wil become. The skivers with nothing wrong with them other than 'sticky back syndrome' certainly need to be targeted, but why victimise genuine job-seekers along with them? Ham-fisted, shortsighted and plain stupid.[/p][/quote]Not really as this scheme is only for the "sticky back syndrome" so your point is totally invalid. The IT equipment remaining from Olicana house is being used so there is plenty of PC's and also plenty of room to accommodate this. So yes it has been thought through and no it isnt going to do any harm so how can any object unless they simply do not want to work BCFC1911
  • Score: 1

10:31am Fri 5 Sep 14

BCFC1911 says...

One thing that has made me laugh here is the amount of posters who have spent so much time posting on here about this scheme when they could have been searching for a job. They have blamed the Government, threatened to smash up job centres and even incited violence against JC staff. Hell even people have stated they wont work for certain businesses and support themselves based on business ethics

All this effort for nothing when they could be out there handing out cv's to businesses personally etc.

Last month a man was stood in a suit in the centre of Leeds wearing a sign saying he was looking for work and handing out copies of his cv. Yes he was a graduate but that person was offered a very good job at a marketing company the same day.

Just goes to show that some people like to moan about unemployment and some people actively look to better themselves.

I would have liked to have come here and seen posts by people who are going above and beyond themselves to get a job but all the posters on here have done is reaffirm that there is quite a lot of people that expect everything handed on a plate and the country should look after them.

Well sorry but if you cant be 4rsed looking after yourself just get out of this country because it people like that that have brought this country to where it is today. People years ago worked hard and supported themselves. If you look back at the 70's for example even though there was less jobs than now vs ratio of people just 0.5% claimed any benefits. People had pride and supported themselves and their families. Nowadays too many rely on the state to look after them
One thing that has made me laugh here is the amount of posters who have spent so much time posting on here about this scheme when they could have been searching for a job. They have blamed the Government, threatened to smash up job centres and even incited violence against JC staff. Hell even people have stated they wont work for certain businesses and support themselves based on business ethics All this effort for nothing when they could be out there handing out cv's to businesses personally etc. Last month a man was stood in a suit in the centre of Leeds wearing a sign saying he was looking for work and handing out copies of his cv. Yes he was a graduate but that person was offered a very good job at a marketing company the same day. Just goes to show that some people like to moan about unemployment and some people actively look to better themselves. I would have liked to have come here and seen posts by people who are going above and beyond themselves to get a job but all the posters on here have done is reaffirm that there is quite a lot of people that expect everything handed on a plate and the country should look after them. Well sorry but if you cant be 4rsed looking after yourself just get out of this country because it people like that that have brought this country to where it is today. People years ago worked hard and supported themselves. If you look back at the 70's for example even though there was less jobs than now vs ratio of people just 0.5% claimed any benefits. People had pride and supported themselves and their families. Nowadays too many rely on the state to look after them BCFC1911
  • Score: -7

10:41am Fri 5 Sep 14

Sparky53 says...

BCFC1911 wrote:
Sparky53 wrote:
So how many hundreds/thousands will be attending each office every week day? Do they have all the computers/job points (not to mention staff) to cope with this? Wouldn't this actually be risking a disorderly mob situation? What about transport costs/parking? Overcrowding/fire regulations? The list of potential problems is endless.

Clearly this plan hasn't been thought through.

Those genuinely seeking work are able to do so via their homes if they have the Internet and and phone, and only really need to travel for appointments with potential employers and to sign on once a week. All vacancies available at the job points are also viewable on the Net. It is unlikely they will be able to get near a phone or a computer in the melee that the job centre plus offices wil become.

The skivers with nothing wrong with them other than 'sticky back syndrome' certainly need to be targeted, but why victimise genuine job-seekers along with them?

Ham-fisted, shortsighted and plain stupid.
Not really as this scheme is only for the "sticky back syndrome" so your point is totally invalid. The IT equipment remaining from Olicana house is being used so there is plenty of PC's and also plenty of room to accommodate this.

So yes it has been thought through and no it isnt going to do any harm so how can any object unless they simply do not want to work
And how are they differentiating the 'sticky backers' from the genuine job seekers? No mention is made of this. Single mothers and carers will mostly be exempt, but how many does that leave? Also, as I pointed out, many people can find work far more efficiently under their own steam then having to waste time traveling to and from an overcrowded job centre every day. I can't see how this is going to be anything other than counter-productive for most.
[quote][p][bold]BCFC1911[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Sparky53[/bold] wrote: So how many hundreds/thousands will be attending each office every week day? Do they have all the computers/job points (not to mention staff) to cope with this? Wouldn't this actually be risking a disorderly mob situation? What about transport costs/parking? Overcrowding/fire regulations? The list of potential problems is endless. Clearly this plan hasn't been thought through. Those genuinely seeking work are able to do so via their homes if they have the Internet and and phone, and only really need to travel for appointments with potential employers and to sign on once a week. All vacancies available at the job points are also viewable on the Net. It is unlikely they will be able to get near a phone or a computer in the melee that the job centre plus offices wil become. The skivers with nothing wrong with them other than 'sticky back syndrome' certainly need to be targeted, but why victimise genuine job-seekers along with them? Ham-fisted, shortsighted and plain stupid.[/p][/quote]Not really as this scheme is only for the "sticky back syndrome" so your point is totally invalid. The IT equipment remaining from Olicana house is being used so there is plenty of PC's and also plenty of room to accommodate this. So yes it has been thought through and no it isnt going to do any harm so how can any object unless they simply do not want to work[/p][/quote]And how are they differentiating the 'sticky backers' from the genuine job seekers? No mention is made of this. Single mothers and carers will mostly be exempt, but how many does that leave? Also, as I pointed out, many people can find work far more efficiently under their own steam then having to waste time traveling to and from an overcrowded job centre every day. I can't see how this is going to be anything other than counter-productive for most. Sparky53
  • Score: 7

11:07am Fri 5 Sep 14

Sparky53 says...

I think a scheme like this MIGHT be productive for the long-term unemployed, if only to single out the ones who are avoiding work, (as long as public transport costs are reimbursed: 3.90-4.60 a day for buses is a lot of money when you may be struggling to even eat). I was unemployed for six weeks in 2008 and never rested during the day until I found work. You find jobs through contacting empoyers/agencies and putting yourself out there, not through filling in a few application forms a week for jobs advertised at the JobCentrePlus. Not all unemployed people are loafing around watching Jeremy Kyle and guzzling cheap cider, no matter what some people would like to have us believe.

The current plans are a logistical nightmare in the making. Mind you, it IS a trial. Let them trial it then and see what happens. Let's just hope nobody is seriously hurt when over ten thousand unemployed descend of a few job centres (and Olicana House? - somebody mentioned) every day...
I think a scheme like this MIGHT be productive for the long-term unemployed, if only to single out the ones who are avoiding work, (as long as public transport costs are reimbursed: 3.90-4.60 a day for buses is a lot of money when you may be struggling to even eat). I was unemployed for six weeks in 2008 and never rested during the day until I found work. You find jobs through contacting empoyers/agencies and putting yourself out there, not through filling in a few application forms a week for jobs advertised at the JobCentrePlus. Not all unemployed people are loafing around watching Jeremy Kyle and guzzling cheap cider, no matter what some people would like to have us believe. The current plans are a logistical nightmare in the making. Mind you, it IS a trial. Let them trial it then and see what happens. Let's just hope nobody is seriously hurt when over ten thousand unemployed descend of a few job centres (and Olicana House? - somebody mentioned) every day... Sparky53
  • Score: 3

11:19am Fri 5 Sep 14

fingerspete says...

lesleyc37 wrote:
The reason there's so many unemployed is because you now have to apply for jobs online, CV's are not being read, emails are going unreplied and when you do a training course like i did last year (SIA training course) i passed got my certificate but due to being on JSA i can't afford my license and all the job centre say is "Come to us with a job offer and we'll fund the cost of your license" but the problem i have is i can't get an interview without the license, i could've had 100 jobs by now, was offered one last week and lost it today due to no license, yet i'll sign on on monday and will get sanctioned cos of it, its an absolute joke!!!!
i think if they put you though these courses then it should all be paid for licences as well they should not sanction you for them not helping
[quote][p][bold]lesleyc37[/bold] wrote: The reason there's so many unemployed is because you now have to apply for jobs online, CV's are not being read, emails are going unreplied and when you do a training course like i did last year (SIA training course) i passed got my certificate but due to being on JSA i can't afford my license and all the job centre say is "Come to us with a job offer and we'll fund the cost of your license" but the problem i have is i can't get an interview without the license, i could've had 100 jobs by now, was offered one last week and lost it today due to no license, yet i'll sign on on monday and will get sanctioned cos of it, its an absolute joke!!!![/p][/quote]i think if they put you though these courses then it should all be paid for licences as well they should not sanction you for them not helping fingerspete
  • Score: 3

11:28am Fri 5 Sep 14

leedsjon says...

David Mortimer : - funny you should mention this but...just a couple of weeks ago it was reported that UK govt is currently being investigated by both EU and United Nations for breaches of international laws on such matters as unpaid forced labour (totally illegal!) brought about by govt's workfare programmes!
David Mortimer : - funny you should mention this but...just a couple of weeks ago it was reported that UK govt is currently being investigated by both EU and United Nations for breaches of international laws on such matters as unpaid forced labour (totally illegal!) brought about by govt's workfare programmes! leedsjon
  • Score: 10

11:28am Fri 5 Sep 14

BCFC1911 says...

Sparky53 wrote:
BCFC1911 wrote:
Sparky53 wrote:
So how many hundreds/thousands will be attending each office every week day? Do they have all the computers/job points (not to mention staff) to cope with this? Wouldn't this actually be risking a disorderly mob situation? What about transport costs/parking? Overcrowding/fire regulations? The list of potential problems is endless.

Clearly this plan hasn't been thought through.

Those genuinely seeking work are able to do so via their homes if they have the Internet and and phone, and only really need to travel for appointments with potential employers and to sign on once a week. All vacancies available at the job points are also viewable on the Net. It is unlikely they will be able to get near a phone or a computer in the melee that the job centre plus offices wil become.

The skivers with nothing wrong with them other than 'sticky back syndrome' certainly need to be targeted, but why victimise genuine job-seekers along with them?

Ham-fisted, shortsighted and plain stupid.
Not really as this scheme is only for the "sticky back syndrome" so your point is totally invalid. The IT equipment remaining from Olicana house is being used so there is plenty of PC's and also plenty of room to accommodate this.

So yes it has been thought through and no it isnt going to do any harm so how can any object unless they simply do not want to work
And how are they differentiating the 'sticky backers' from the genuine job seekers? No mention is made of this. Single mothers and carers will mostly be exempt, but how many does that leave? Also, as I pointed out, many people can find work far more efficiently under their own steam then having to waste time traveling to and from an overcrowded job centre every day. I can't see how this is going to be anything other than counter-productive for most.
It applies only to the "long-term" unemployed. Sure this applies to anyone unemployed after 12 months claiming
[quote][p][bold]Sparky53[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]BCFC1911[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Sparky53[/bold] wrote: So how many hundreds/thousands will be attending each office every week day? Do they have all the computers/job points (not to mention staff) to cope with this? Wouldn't this actually be risking a disorderly mob situation? What about transport costs/parking? Overcrowding/fire regulations? The list of potential problems is endless. Clearly this plan hasn't been thought through. Those genuinely seeking work are able to do so via their homes if they have the Internet and and phone, and only really need to travel for appointments with potential employers and to sign on once a week. All vacancies available at the job points are also viewable on the Net. It is unlikely they will be able to get near a phone or a computer in the melee that the job centre plus offices wil become. The skivers with nothing wrong with them other than 'sticky back syndrome' certainly need to be targeted, but why victimise genuine job-seekers along with them? Ham-fisted, shortsighted and plain stupid.[/p][/quote]Not really as this scheme is only for the "sticky back syndrome" so your point is totally invalid. The IT equipment remaining from Olicana house is being used so there is plenty of PC's and also plenty of room to accommodate this. So yes it has been thought through and no it isnt going to do any harm so how can any object unless they simply do not want to work[/p][/quote]And how are they differentiating the 'sticky backers' from the genuine job seekers? No mention is made of this. Single mothers and carers will mostly be exempt, but how many does that leave? Also, as I pointed out, many people can find work far more efficiently under their own steam then having to waste time traveling to and from an overcrowded job centre every day. I can't see how this is going to be anything other than counter-productive for most.[/p][/quote]It applies only to the "long-term" unemployed. Sure this applies to anyone unemployed after 12 months claiming BCFC1911
  • Score: -4

11:55am Fri 5 Sep 14

Sparky53 says...

BCFC1911 wrote:
Sparky53 wrote:
BCFC1911 wrote:
Sparky53 wrote:
So how many hundreds/thousands will be attending each office every week day? Do they have all the computers/job points (not to mention staff) to cope with this? Wouldn't this actually be risking a disorderly mob situation? What about transport costs/parking? Overcrowding/fire regulations? The list of potential problems is endless.

Clearly this plan hasn't been thought through.

Those genuinely seeking work are able to do so via their homes if they have the Internet and and phone, and only really need to travel for appointments with potential employers and to sign on once a week. All vacancies available at the job points are also viewable on the Net. It is unlikely they will be able to get near a phone or a computer in the melee that the job centre plus offices wil become.

The skivers with nothing wrong with them other than 'sticky back syndrome' certainly need to be targeted, but why victimise genuine job-seekers along with them?

Ham-fisted, shortsighted and plain stupid.
Not really as this scheme is only for the "sticky back syndrome" so your point is totally invalid. The IT equipment remaining from Olicana house is being used so there is plenty of PC's and also plenty of room to accommodate this.

So yes it has been thought through and no it isnt going to do any harm so how can any object unless they simply do not want to work
And how are they differentiating the 'sticky backers' from the genuine job seekers? No mention is made of this. Single mothers and carers will mostly be exempt, but how many does that leave? Also, as I pointed out, many people can find work far more efficiently under their own steam then having to waste time traveling to and from an overcrowded job centre every day. I can't see how this is going to be anything other than counter-productive for most.
It applies only to the "long-term" unemployed. Sure this applies to anyone unemployed after 12 months claiming
Ah, this isn't made clear, the article only mentions those who 'lack motivation', which is pretty vague. To be honest, if somebody has been unemployed that long then they certainly DO need support (and the cynic in me say 'a good kick up the ****', yes).
[quote][p][bold]BCFC1911[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Sparky53[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]BCFC1911[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Sparky53[/bold] wrote: So how many hundreds/thousands will be attending each office every week day? Do they have all the computers/job points (not to mention staff) to cope with this? Wouldn't this actually be risking a disorderly mob situation? What about transport costs/parking? Overcrowding/fire regulations? The list of potential problems is endless. Clearly this plan hasn't been thought through. Those genuinely seeking work are able to do so via their homes if they have the Internet and and phone, and only really need to travel for appointments with potential employers and to sign on once a week. All vacancies available at the job points are also viewable on the Net. It is unlikely they will be able to get near a phone or a computer in the melee that the job centre plus offices wil become. The skivers with nothing wrong with them other than 'sticky back syndrome' certainly need to be targeted, but why victimise genuine job-seekers along with them? Ham-fisted, shortsighted and plain stupid.[/p][/quote]Not really as this scheme is only for the "sticky back syndrome" so your point is totally invalid. The IT equipment remaining from Olicana house is being used so there is plenty of PC's and also plenty of room to accommodate this. So yes it has been thought through and no it isnt going to do any harm so how can any object unless they simply do not want to work[/p][/quote]And how are they differentiating the 'sticky backers' from the genuine job seekers? No mention is made of this. Single mothers and carers will mostly be exempt, but how many does that leave? Also, as I pointed out, many people can find work far more efficiently under their own steam then having to waste time traveling to and from an overcrowded job centre every day. I can't see how this is going to be anything other than counter-productive for most.[/p][/quote]It applies only to the "long-term" unemployed. Sure this applies to anyone unemployed after 12 months claiming[/p][/quote]Ah, this isn't made clear, the article only mentions those who 'lack motivation', which is pretty vague. To be honest, if somebody has been unemployed that long then they certainly DO need support (and the cynic in me say 'a good kick up the ****', yes). Sparky53
  • Score: -1

1:51pm Fri 5 Sep 14

cmills says...

BCFC1911 wrote:
cmills wrote:
BCFC1911 wrote:
Local_Girl wrote:
Some shocking attitudes on here. The benefit is there to assist people who are making a genuine commitment to look for work. If you are doing that, why not demonstrate it in a Job Centre?

I have been signing on for less than two weeks, haven't even had my first payment yet. I have three interviews next week. How? By job searching 9-5, treating it like a full-time job and respecting those who pay into the system by doing everything I can to become independent as quickly as possible.
Well done...exactly the right attitude to take

Just goes to show with dedication and devotion you can secure a role if you work hard enough at it
She`s naive and your patronizing
ah the all too common woo is me attitude

Beleive it or not there are more jobs availbale now in West Yorkshire than there has been in the last 15 years.

Dont let that stop the moaning " there are no jobs" brigade though

What they really are saying is they want an employer to knock on their door and hand them a £100k offer of employment or nothing else is good enough

I wish some of the benefit claimants could experience life in other countries sometime. They would soon realise about personal responsibility and taking account of your own future rather than have their backsides wiped by the state.
What are you some sort of globalist stooge - dawning in the new world order - of ghetto cities and technocratic feudalism, of slave humans over seen and ruled by the elites stooge yes men - is this your ambition ?- perhaps you think you can escape the death panels.

You do realise that we have enough technology to make a lot of work redundant , but the choice has been made to run us down into yes third world like - "life in other countries" Don't you understand that the majority of us aren't included in the plan ( that's you too ), there is no future for us unless you are part of the elite - who's plan (its all documented ) is to remove 80 % of us and put the rest in slave cities so they can live a life of technocratic hedonism - they even think they will find a way to live for every - They think they are gods. And you are nothing to them unless you have a use.

Your talk like we have a hope of living in some libertarian free society - with little state control when all the evidence points to a huge state- an oligarchy of power mad psychos , at best a communitarian totalitarian surveillance society - until we are no longer needed
[quote][p][bold]BCFC1911[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]cmills[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]BCFC1911[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Local_Girl[/bold] wrote: Some shocking attitudes on here. The benefit is there to assist people who are making a genuine commitment to look for work. If you are doing that, why not demonstrate it in a Job Centre? I have been signing on for less than two weeks, haven't even had my first payment yet. I have three interviews next week. How? By job searching 9-5, treating it like a full-time job and respecting those who pay into the system by doing everything I can to become independent as quickly as possible.[/p][/quote]Well done...exactly the right attitude to take Just goes to show with dedication and devotion you can secure a role if you work hard enough at it[/p][/quote]She`s naive and your patronizing[/p][/quote]ah the all too common woo is me attitude Beleive it or not there are more jobs availbale now in West Yorkshire than there has been in the last 15 years. Dont let that stop the moaning " there are no jobs" brigade though What they really are saying is they want an employer to knock on their door and hand them a £100k offer of employment or nothing else is good enough I wish some of the benefit claimants could experience life in other countries sometime. They would soon realise about personal responsibility and taking account of your own future rather than have their backsides wiped by the state.[/p][/quote]What are you some sort of globalist stooge - dawning in the new world order - of ghetto cities and technocratic feudalism, of slave humans over seen and ruled by the elites stooge yes men - is this your ambition ?- perhaps you think you can escape the death panels. You do realise that we have enough technology to make a lot of work redundant , but the choice has been made to run us down into yes third world like - "life in other countries" Don't you understand that the majority of us aren't included in the plan ( that's you too ), there is no future for us unless you are part of the elite - who's plan (its all documented ) is to remove 80 % of us and put the rest in slave cities so they can live a life of technocratic hedonism - they even think they will find a way to live for every - They think they are gods. And you are nothing to them unless you have a use. Your talk like we have a hope of living in some libertarian free society - with little state control when all the evidence points to a huge state- an oligarchy of power mad psychos , at best a communitarian totalitarian surveillance society - until we are no longer needed cmills
  • Score: 5

4:07pm Fri 5 Sep 14

BCFC1911 says...

cmills wrote:
BCFC1911 wrote:
cmills wrote:
BCFC1911 wrote:
Local_Girl wrote:
Some shocking attitudes on here. The benefit is there to assist people who are making a genuine commitment to look for work. If you are doing that, why not demonstrate it in a Job Centre?

I have been signing on for less than two weeks, haven't even had my first payment yet. I have three interviews next week. How? By job searching 9-5, treating it like a full-time job and respecting those who pay into the system by doing everything I can to become independent as quickly as possible.
Well done...exactly the right attitude to take

Just goes to show with dedication and devotion you can secure a role if you work hard enough at it
She`s naive and your patronizing
ah the all too common woo is me attitude

Beleive it or not there are more jobs availbale now in West Yorkshire than there has been in the last 15 years.

Dont let that stop the moaning " there are no jobs" brigade though

What they really are saying is they want an employer to knock on their door and hand them a £100k offer of employment or nothing else is good enough

I wish some of the benefit claimants could experience life in other countries sometime. They would soon realise about personal responsibility and taking account of your own future rather than have their backsides wiped by the state.
What are you some sort of globalist stooge - dawning in the new world order - of ghetto cities and technocratic feudalism, of slave humans over seen and ruled by the elites stooge yes men - is this your ambition ?- perhaps you think you can escape the death panels.

You do realise that we have enough technology to make a lot of work redundant , but the choice has been made to run us down into yes third world like - "life in other countries" Don't you understand that the majority of us aren't included in the plan ( that's you too ), there is no future for us unless you are part of the elite - who's plan (its all documented ) is to remove 80 % of us and put the rest in slave cities so they can live a life of technocratic hedonism - they even think they will find a way to live for every - They think they are gods. And you are nothing to them unless you have a use.

Your talk like we have a hope of living in some libertarian free society - with little state control when all the evidence points to a huge state- an oligarchy of power mad psychos , at best a communitarian totalitarian surveillance society - until we are no longer needed
If i was you I would lay off the drink / drugs

You clearly spend too much time reading about theories on the net and NWO.

Of which there isn't such a thing. The thing about people that believe this rubbish is you can physically disprove any of their claims and yet they come back time after time with a counter argument like a child does.

Its all growing up but if you want to believe that drivel you wrote then fair play to you

Fight the power !!

Lol
[quote][p][bold]cmills[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]BCFC1911[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]cmills[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]BCFC1911[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Local_Girl[/bold] wrote: Some shocking attitudes on here. The benefit is there to assist people who are making a genuine commitment to look for work. If you are doing that, why not demonstrate it in a Job Centre? I have been signing on for less than two weeks, haven't even had my first payment yet. I have three interviews next week. How? By job searching 9-5, treating it like a full-time job and respecting those who pay into the system by doing everything I can to become independent as quickly as possible.[/p][/quote]Well done...exactly the right attitude to take Just goes to show with dedication and devotion you can secure a role if you work hard enough at it[/p][/quote]She`s naive and your patronizing[/p][/quote]ah the all too common woo is me attitude Beleive it or not there are more jobs availbale now in West Yorkshire than there has been in the last 15 years. Dont let that stop the moaning " there are no jobs" brigade though What they really are saying is they want an employer to knock on their door and hand them a £100k offer of employment or nothing else is good enough I wish some of the benefit claimants could experience life in other countries sometime. They would soon realise about personal responsibility and taking account of your own future rather than have their backsides wiped by the state.[/p][/quote]What are you some sort of globalist stooge - dawning in the new world order - of ghetto cities and technocratic feudalism, of slave humans over seen and ruled by the elites stooge yes men - is this your ambition ?- perhaps you think you can escape the death panels. You do realise that we have enough technology to make a lot of work redundant , but the choice has been made to run us down into yes third world like - "life in other countries" Don't you understand that the majority of us aren't included in the plan ( that's you too ), there is no future for us unless you are part of the elite - who's plan (its all documented ) is to remove 80 % of us and put the rest in slave cities so they can live a life of technocratic hedonism - they even think they will find a way to live for every - They think they are gods. And you are nothing to them unless you have a use. Your talk like we have a hope of living in some libertarian free society - with little state control when all the evidence points to a huge state- an oligarchy of power mad psychos , at best a communitarian totalitarian surveillance society - until we are no longer needed[/p][/quote]If i was you I would lay off the drink / drugs You clearly spend too much time reading about theories on the net and NWO. Of which there isn't such a thing. The thing about people that believe this rubbish is you can physically disprove any of their claims and yet they come back time after time with a counter argument like a child does. Its all growing up but if you want to believe that drivel you wrote then fair play to you Fight the power !! Lol BCFC1911
  • Score: -8

4:20pm Fri 5 Sep 14

cmills says...

BCFC1911 wrote:
cmills wrote:
BCFC1911 wrote:
cmills wrote:
BCFC1911 wrote:
Local_Girl wrote:
Some shocking attitudes on here. The benefit is there to assist people who are making a genuine commitment to look for work. If you are doing that, why not demonstrate it in a Job Centre?

I have been signing on for less than two weeks, haven't even had my first payment yet. I have three interviews next week. How? By job searching 9-5, treating it like a full-time job and respecting those who pay into the system by doing everything I can to become independent as quickly as possible.
Well done...exactly the right attitude to take

Just goes to show with dedication and devotion you can secure a role if you work hard enough at it
She`s naive and your patronizing
ah the all too common woo is me attitude

Beleive it or not there are more jobs availbale now in West Yorkshire than there has been in the last 15 years.

Dont let that stop the moaning " there are no jobs" brigade though

What they really are saying is they want an employer to knock on their door and hand them a £100k offer of employment or nothing else is good enough

I wish some of the benefit claimants could experience life in other countries sometime. They would soon realise about personal responsibility and taking account of your own future rather than have their backsides wiped by the state.
What are you some sort of globalist stooge - dawning in the new world order - of ghetto cities and technocratic feudalism, of slave humans over seen and ruled by the elites stooge yes men - is this your ambition ?- perhaps you think you can escape the death panels.

You do realise that we have enough technology to make a lot of work redundant , but the choice has been made to run us down into yes third world like - "life in other countries" Don't you understand that the majority of us aren't included in the plan ( that's you too ), there is no future for us unless you are part of the elite - who's plan (its all documented ) is to remove 80 % of us and put the rest in slave cities so they can live a life of technocratic hedonism - they even think they will find a way to live for every - They think they are gods. And you are nothing to them unless you have a use.

Your talk like we have a hope of living in some libertarian free society - with little state control when all the evidence points to a huge state- an oligarchy of power mad psychos , at best a communitarian totalitarian surveillance society - until we are no longer needed
If i was you I would lay off the drink / drugs

You clearly spend too much time reading about theories on the net and NWO.

Of which there isn't such a thing. The thing about people that believe this rubbish is you can physically disprove any of their claims and yet they come back time after time with a counter argument like a child does.

Its all growing up but if you want to believe that drivel you wrote then fair play to you

Fight the power !!

Lol
you are a foolish person - just look around at all the stupid people made stupid . Its all by design - don`t be one of them - open your eyes or die !
[quote][p][bold]BCFC1911[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]cmills[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]BCFC1911[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]cmills[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]BCFC1911[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Local_Girl[/bold] wrote: Some shocking attitudes on here. The benefit is there to assist people who are making a genuine commitment to look for work. If you are doing that, why not demonstrate it in a Job Centre? I have been signing on for less than two weeks, haven't even had my first payment yet. I have three interviews next week. How? By job searching 9-5, treating it like a full-time job and respecting those who pay into the system by doing everything I can to become independent as quickly as possible.[/p][/quote]Well done...exactly the right attitude to take Just goes to show with dedication and devotion you can secure a role if you work hard enough at it[/p][/quote]She`s naive and your patronizing[/p][/quote]ah the all too common woo is me attitude Beleive it or not there are more jobs availbale now in West Yorkshire than there has been in the last 15 years. Dont let that stop the moaning " there are no jobs" brigade though What they really are saying is they want an employer to knock on their door and hand them a £100k offer of employment or nothing else is good enough I wish some of the benefit claimants could experience life in other countries sometime. They would soon realise about personal responsibility and taking account of your own future rather than have their backsides wiped by the state.[/p][/quote]What are you some sort of globalist stooge - dawning in the new world order - of ghetto cities and technocratic feudalism, of slave humans over seen and ruled by the elites stooge yes men - is this your ambition ?- perhaps you think you can escape the death panels. You do realise that we have enough technology to make a lot of work redundant , but the choice has been made to run us down into yes third world like - "life in other countries" Don't you understand that the majority of us aren't included in the plan ( that's you too ), there is no future for us unless you are part of the elite - who's plan (its all documented ) is to remove 80 % of us and put the rest in slave cities so they can live a life of technocratic hedonism - they even think they will find a way to live for every - They think they are gods. And you are nothing to them unless you have a use. Your talk like we have a hope of living in some libertarian free society - with little state control when all the evidence points to a huge state- an oligarchy of power mad psychos , at best a communitarian totalitarian surveillance society - until we are no longer needed[/p][/quote]If i was you I would lay off the drink / drugs You clearly spend too much time reading about theories on the net and NWO. Of which there isn't such a thing. The thing about people that believe this rubbish is you can physically disprove any of their claims and yet they come back time after time with a counter argument like a child does. Its all growing up but if you want to believe that drivel you wrote then fair play to you Fight the power !! Lol[/p][/quote]you are a foolish person - just look around at all the stupid people made stupid . Its all by design - don`t be one of them - open your eyes or die ! cmills
  • Score: -1

5:06pm Fri 5 Sep 14

BCFC1911 says...

cmills wrote:
BCFC1911 wrote:
cmills wrote:
BCFC1911 wrote:
cmills wrote:
BCFC1911 wrote:
Local_Girl wrote:
Some shocking attitudes on here. The benefit is there to assist people who are making a genuine commitment to look for work. If you are doing that, why not demonstrate it in a Job Centre?

I have been signing on for less than two weeks, haven't even had my first payment yet. I have three interviews next week. How? By job searching 9-5, treating it like a full-time job and respecting those who pay into the system by doing everything I can to become independent as quickly as possible.
Well done...exactly the right attitude to take

Just goes to show with dedication and devotion you can secure a role if you work hard enough at it
She`s naive and your patronizing
ah the all too common woo is me attitude

Beleive it or not there are more jobs availbale now in West Yorkshire than there has been in the last 15 years.

Dont let that stop the moaning " there are no jobs" brigade though

What they really are saying is they want an employer to knock on their door and hand them a £100k offer of employment or nothing else is good enough

I wish some of the benefit claimants could experience life in other countries sometime. They would soon realise about personal responsibility and taking account of your own future rather than have their backsides wiped by the state.
What are you some sort of globalist stooge - dawning in the new world order - of ghetto cities and technocratic feudalism, of slave humans over seen and ruled by the elites stooge yes men - is this your ambition ?- perhaps you think you can escape the death panels.

You do realise that we have enough technology to make a lot of work redundant , but the choice has been made to run us down into yes third world like - "life in other countries" Don't you understand that the majority of us aren't included in the plan ( that's you too ), there is no future for us unless you are part of the elite - who's plan (its all documented ) is to remove 80 % of us and put the rest in slave cities so they can live a life of technocratic hedonism - they even think they will find a way to live for every - They think they are gods. And you are nothing to them unless you have a use.

Your talk like we have a hope of living in some libertarian free society - with little state control when all the evidence points to a huge state- an oligarchy of power mad psychos , at best a communitarian totalitarian surveillance society - until we are no longer needed
If i was you I would lay off the drink / drugs

You clearly spend too much time reading about theories on the net and NWO.

Of which there isn't such a thing. The thing about people that believe this rubbish is you can physically disprove any of their claims and yet they come back time after time with a counter argument like a child does.

Its all growing up but if you want to believe that drivel you wrote then fair play to you

Fight the power !!

Lol
you are a foolish person - just look around at all the stupid people made stupid . Its all by design - don`t be one of them - open your eyes or die !
Or alternatively live your life under paranoid suspicion and dont enjoy any of it

All I'll say is if there is a system and I'm no where near "Elite" then so be it as its working for me as couldnt be happier.
[quote][p][bold]cmills[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]BCFC1911[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]cmills[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]BCFC1911[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]cmills[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]BCFC1911[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Local_Girl[/bold] wrote: Some shocking attitudes on here. The benefit is there to assist people who are making a genuine commitment to look for work. If you are doing that, why not demonstrate it in a Job Centre? I have been signing on for less than two weeks, haven't even had my first payment yet. I have three interviews next week. How? By job searching 9-5, treating it like a full-time job and respecting those who pay into the system by doing everything I can to become independent as quickly as possible.[/p][/quote]Well done...exactly the right attitude to take Just goes to show with dedication and devotion you can secure a role if you work hard enough at it[/p][/quote]She`s naive and your patronizing[/p][/quote]ah the all too common woo is me attitude Beleive it or not there are more jobs availbale now in West Yorkshire than there has been in the last 15 years. Dont let that stop the moaning " there are no jobs" brigade though What they really are saying is they want an employer to knock on their door and hand them a £100k offer of employment or nothing else is good enough I wish some of the benefit claimants could experience life in other countries sometime. They would soon realise about personal responsibility and taking account of your own future rather than have their backsides wiped by the state.[/p][/quote]What are you some sort of globalist stooge - dawning in the new world order - of ghetto cities and technocratic feudalism, of slave humans over seen and ruled by the elites stooge yes men - is this your ambition ?- perhaps you think you can escape the death panels. You do realise that we have enough technology to make a lot of work redundant , but the choice has been made to run us down into yes third world like - "life in other countries" Don't you understand that the majority of us aren't included in the plan ( that's you too ), there is no future for us unless you are part of the elite - who's plan (its all documented ) is to remove 80 % of us and put the rest in slave cities so they can live a life of technocratic hedonism - they even think they will find a way to live for every - They think they are gods. And you are nothing to them unless you have a use. Your talk like we have a hope of living in some libertarian free society - with little state control when all the evidence points to a huge state- an oligarchy of power mad psychos , at best a communitarian totalitarian surveillance society - until we are no longer needed[/p][/quote]If i was you I would lay off the drink / drugs You clearly spend too much time reading about theories on the net and NWO. Of which there isn't such a thing. The thing about people that believe this rubbish is you can physically disprove any of their claims and yet they come back time after time with a counter argument like a child does. Its all growing up but if you want to believe that drivel you wrote then fair play to you Fight the power !! Lol[/p][/quote]you are a foolish person - just look around at all the stupid people made stupid . Its all by design - don`t be one of them - open your eyes or die ![/p][/quote]Or alternatively live your life under paranoid suspicion and dont enjoy any of it All I'll say is if there is a system and I'm no where near "Elite" then so be it as its working for me as couldnt be happier. BCFC1911
  • Score: -3

6:47pm Fri 5 Sep 14

llos25 says...

pellethead wrote:
Jobseekers MUST sabotage these plans at every opportunity. Wreck the computers. Yank phones from walls. Its the only way
You live up to your name, who wants to employ a person like you your a disgrace to the human race.
[quote][p][bold]pellethead[/bold] wrote: Jobseekers MUST sabotage these plans at every opportunity. Wreck the computers. Yank phones from walls. Its the only way[/p][/quote]You live up to your name, who wants to employ a person like you your a disgrace to the human race. llos25
  • Score: 3

7:11pm Fri 5 Sep 14

Beaten-nurse says...

Mr Capp wrote:
And Gerry Sutcliffe (Lab, Bradford South): "I don’t think keeping people cooped up in a job centre all day is the way forward."

Welcome to the real world then. Cooped up. That's what thousands of us have to do every day week in and week out in order to keep a roof over our heads and feed and cloth ourselves and our children in addition to paying taxes to fund the idle existence of those poor souls you seem to want to defend.
Absolutely right Mr Capp. I wonder what those who are moaning about having to pay transport costs and being 'cooped up' all day think the rest of us do for a living? I spend all day Monday to Friday cooped up in my workplace after paying to get there. I have to buy my own lunch and my own coffee then I pay to get home again. Flipping scroungers!!
[quote][p][bold]Mr Capp[/bold] wrote: And Gerry Sutcliffe (Lab, Bradford South): "I don’t think keeping people cooped up in a job centre all day is the way forward." Welcome to the real world then. Cooped up. That's what thousands of us have to do every day week in and week out in order to keep a roof over our heads and feed and cloth ourselves and our children in addition to paying taxes to fund the idle existence of those poor souls you seem to want to defend.[/p][/quote]Absolutely right Mr Capp. I wonder what those who are moaning about having to pay transport costs and being 'cooped up' all day think the rest of us do for a living? I spend all day Monday to Friday cooped up in my workplace after paying to get there. I have to buy my own lunch and my own coffee then I pay to get home again. Flipping scroungers!! Beaten-nurse
  • Score: -5

9:46pm Fri 5 Sep 14

SharronMM says...

What a waste of human effort. Spending 35 hours a week applying for the same jobs other people are spending 35 hours a week applying for. If an employer gets 200 applications for a vacancy rather than 100 there is still only one job. Such schemes cannot create any extra jobs. So harassing the unemployed does not mean any more people in total in work.
Also it seems some commenters above don't know how little the unemployed get. A man I met, early 30s, out of work for 3 months was having to pay £30 rent (£395pm tenancy taken out when he was in work), over £4pw council tax and was having £24pw taken out of his benefit for previous overpayment of benefit.
Out of the £14 left he was supposed to pay £10pw water rates....leaving £4pw for food, gas & electric, bus fares, everything else.
What a waste of human effort. Spending 35 hours a week applying for the same jobs other people are spending 35 hours a week applying for. If an employer gets 200 applications for a vacancy rather than 100 there is still only one job. Such schemes cannot create any extra jobs. So harassing the unemployed does not mean any more people in total in work. Also it seems some commenters above don't know how little the unemployed get. A man I met, early 30s, out of work for 3 months was having to pay £30 rent (£395pm tenancy taken out when he was in work), over £4pw council tax and was having £24pw taken out of his benefit for previous overpayment of benefit. Out of the £14 left he was supposed to pay £10pw water rates....leaving £4pw for food, gas & electric, bus fares, everything else. SharronMM
  • Score: 10

9:04am Sat 6 Sep 14

BertSanders says...

Class War - if only you would put as much effort into getting a job!
Class War - if only you would put as much effort into getting a job! BertSanders
  • Score: 1

2:44pm Sat 6 Sep 14

carolyne74 says...

As someone who was recently made redundant and is desperate for a job, I can't see why people are so against this. It states that carers and single parents won't have to do it, so if you've no commitments, what's the problem? To be honest, I'd be happy to go down, use their electricity and computers, and have someone to talk to rather than being sat at home trying to find a job.

Obviously the people complaining are the ones who don't really want a job.

There are jobs available when you look, you just have to be willing to travel a bit, or take a low wage. I have a child, so need work within school hours, but even though I earned over £10 an hour in the past I'm still applying for £7.50 per hour jobs.

I do worry about Shipley being part of the trial though - they'll have to put some customer toilets and water machines in! I don't know how they can put notices up everywhere about mutual respect, then not provide the basics such as a loo for claimants to use. I had to jog nearly cross-legged up to Asda after my first appointment...
As someone who was recently made redundant and is desperate for a job, I can't see why people are so against this. It states that carers and single parents won't have to do it, so if you've no commitments, what's the problem? To be honest, I'd be happy to go down, use their electricity and computers, and have someone to talk to rather than being sat at home trying to find a job. Obviously the people complaining are the ones who don't really want a job. There are jobs available when you look, you just have to be willing to travel a bit, or take a low wage. I have a child, so need work within school hours, but even though I earned over £10 an hour in the past I'm still applying for £7.50 per hour jobs. I do worry about Shipley being part of the trial though - they'll have to put some customer toilets and water machines in! I don't know how they can put notices up everywhere about mutual respect, then not provide the basics such as a loo for claimants to use. I had to jog nearly cross-legged up to Asda after my first appointment... carolyne74
  • Score: 2

2:47pm Sat 6 Sep 14

carolyne74 says...

Robin of Loxley wrote:
From next month, they will be required to visit a Jobcentre every morning to sign an attendance register, then spend the whole day working on job applications.


Are there an infinite amount of jobs the 14,500 unemployed will be applying for?

What happens when there's none to look for ? - what then ?
Look at it the other way. If people are at the Job Centre doing the searches, then the Job Centre staff will know that people aren't talking rubbish when they say there are no jobs, because they'll be there looking over their shoulders. If there comes a time where there genuinely aren't the jobs available, the Government will be forced to do something.
[quote][p][bold]Robin of Loxley[/bold] wrote: [quote]From next month, they will be required to visit a Jobcentre every morning to sign an attendance register, then spend the whole day working on job applications. [/quote] Are there an infinite amount of jobs the 14,500 unemployed will be applying for? What happens when there's none to look for ? - what then ?[/p][/quote]Look at it the other way. If people are at the Job Centre doing the searches, then the Job Centre staff will know that people aren't talking rubbish when they say there are no jobs, because they'll be there looking over their shoulders. If there comes a time where there genuinely aren't the jobs available, the Government will be forced to do something. carolyne74
  • Score: 3

2:52pm Sat 6 Sep 14

carolyne74 says...

SharronMM wrote:
What a waste of human effort. Spending 35 hours a week applying for the same jobs other people are spending 35 hours a week applying for. If an employer gets 200 applications for a vacancy rather than 100 there is still only one job. Such schemes cannot create any extra jobs. So harassing the unemployed does not mean any more people in total in work.
Also it seems some commenters above don't know how little the unemployed get. A man I met, early 30s, out of work for 3 months was having to pay £30 rent (£395pm tenancy taken out when he was in work), over £4pw council tax and was having £24pw taken out of his benefit for previous overpayment of benefit.
Out of the £14 left he was supposed to pay £10pw water rates....leaving £4pw for food, gas & electric, bus fares, everything else.
It's not meant to be creating jobs, it's meant to be proving that those who've been unemployed for years are actually putting in the effort to get a job and be entitled to their money. Plus, if people are out of the house all day, their gas and electricity bills will go down.
[quote][p][bold]SharronMM[/bold] wrote: What a waste of human effort. Spending 35 hours a week applying for the same jobs other people are spending 35 hours a week applying for. If an employer gets 200 applications for a vacancy rather than 100 there is still only one job. Such schemes cannot create any extra jobs. So harassing the unemployed does not mean any more people in total in work. Also it seems some commenters above don't know how little the unemployed get. A man I met, early 30s, out of work for 3 months was having to pay £30 rent (£395pm tenancy taken out when he was in work), over £4pw council tax and was having £24pw taken out of his benefit for previous overpayment of benefit. Out of the £14 left he was supposed to pay £10pw water rates....leaving £4pw for food, gas & electric, bus fares, everything else.[/p][/quote]It's not meant to be creating jobs, it's meant to be proving that those who've been unemployed for years are actually putting in the effort to get a job and be entitled to their money. Plus, if people are out of the house all day, their gas and electricity bills will go down. carolyne74
  • Score: -4

2:56pm Sat 6 Sep 14

carolyne74 says...

Class_War wrote:
The Jobcentre is only a 10 min walk from my house so I'm not that bothered for myself but if you live miles away it would be impossible. I'll be able to easily sign each day and get back to bed asap. like it was all a bad dream...hahaha
I guess you missed the part where you've got to stay at the Job Centre all day? Going to be a shock to your system isn't it? The unemployed who are going to struggle getting to their Centre every day have got lazy morons like you to thank for it, as you sound like exactly the sort of person this scheme is trying to eradicate.
[quote][p][bold]Class_War[/bold] wrote: The Jobcentre is only a 10 min walk from my house so I'm not that bothered for myself but if you live miles away it would be impossible. I'll be able to easily sign each day and get back to bed asap. like it was all a bad dream...hahaha[/p][/quote]I guess you missed the part where you've got to stay at the Job Centre all day? Going to be a shock to your system isn't it? The unemployed who are going to struggle getting to their Centre every day have got lazy morons like you to thank for it, as you sound like exactly the sort of person this scheme is trying to eradicate. carolyne74
  • Score: 1

3:30pm Sat 6 Sep 14

Rollo56 says...

It will be interesting to note if these 'job centres' have the capacity to look after so many people each day, with facilities, toilets and hot food, to match? How much is all this going to cost, as we will need qualified personnel to over-see this?
It will be interesting to note if these 'job centres' have the capacity to look after so many people each day, with facilities, toilets and hot food, to match? How much is all this going to cost, as we will need qualified personnel to over-see this? Rollo56
  • Score: 5

3:51pm Sat 6 Sep 14

Rollo56 says...

Nabwood wrote:
Class_War wrote:
I can apply for as many jobs as they want, I know I won't get them, won't even get an interview, never do and I apply for about 30 - 40 jobs every fortnight. Last year I was forced against my will to do 4 weeks unpaid Community Work, for which I received a certificate & letter stating that I has successfully complete "120 Hours Community Work", which is what it now says on my CV, thereby making me appear to be a criminal! LOL
Perhaps if you focused more on trying to get a job instead of trying to break the system then you might be able to get one. You don't sound a stupid person, in fact you've made some reasonable points and some witty responses (and some not so good ones). Instead of encouraging people to stalk their DWP advisors, use the internet to research some employers and build relationships with them. Your energies are being expended in the wrong direction.
You and a lot of others, seem to miss the point, there are no jobs! Government are forcing people into self-employed one-man-bands earning only 'tax credits', which is why the Income tax take isn't has high as it should be, considering we have the highest ever recorded employment figures. We are being 'conditioned', when Agenda 21 hits fully, via the TTIP, we all become slaves, working 35 hours for minimum wage topped up by benefits. Which is why the welfare bill keeps rising, Tax payers are subsidising company profits! Paying all the tents for those low paid workers!
www.lawfuldissent.co
.uk
[quote][p][bold]Nabwood[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Class_War[/bold] wrote: I can apply for as many jobs as they want, I know I won't get them, won't even get an interview, never do and I apply for about 30 - 40 jobs every fortnight. Last year I was forced against my will to do 4 weeks unpaid Community Work, for which I received a certificate & letter stating that I has successfully complete "120 Hours Community Work", which is what it now says on my CV, thereby making me appear to be a criminal! LOL[/p][/quote]Perhaps if you focused more on trying to get a job instead of trying to break the system then you might be able to get one. You don't sound a stupid person, in fact you've made some reasonable points and some witty responses (and some not so good ones). Instead of encouraging people to stalk their DWP advisors, use the internet to research some employers and build relationships with them. Your energies are being expended in the wrong direction.[/p][/quote]You and a lot of others, seem to miss the point, there are no jobs! Government are forcing people into self-employed one-man-bands earning only 'tax credits', which is why the Income tax take isn't has high as it should be, considering we have the highest ever recorded employment figures. We are being 'conditioned', when Agenda 21 hits fully, via the TTIP, we all become slaves, working 35 hours for minimum wage topped up by benefits. Which is why the welfare bill keeps rising, Tax payers are subsidising company profits! Paying all the tents for those low paid workers! www.lawfuldissent.co .uk Rollo56
  • Score: 7

4:02pm Sat 6 Sep 14

cmills says...

Rollo56 wrote:
Nabwood wrote:
Class_War wrote:
I can apply for as many jobs as they want, I know I won't get them, won't even get an interview, never do and I apply for about 30 - 40 jobs every fortnight. Last year I was forced against my will to do 4 weeks unpaid Community Work, for which I received a certificate & letter stating that I has successfully complete "120 Hours Community Work", which is what it now says on my CV, thereby making me appear to be a criminal! LOL
Perhaps if you focused more on trying to get a job instead of trying to break the system then you might be able to get one. You don't sound a stupid person, in fact you've made some reasonable points and some witty responses (and some not so good ones). Instead of encouraging people to stalk their DWP advisors, use the internet to research some employers and build relationships with them. Your energies are being expended in the wrong direction.
You and a lot of others, seem to miss the point, there are no jobs! Government are forcing people into self-employed one-man-bands earning only 'tax credits', which is why the Income tax take isn't has high as it should be, considering we have the highest ever recorded employment figures. We are being 'conditioned', when Agenda 21 hits fully, via the TTIP, we all become slaves, working 35 hours for minimum wage topped up by benefits. Which is why the welfare bill keeps rising, Tax payers are subsidising company profits! Paying all the tents for those low paid workers!
www.lawfuldissent.co

.uk
http://youtu.be/vK13
vAOEwzE

Agenda 21: The Giant UN Eugenics Death Cult Exposed
[quote][p][bold]Rollo56[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Nabwood[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Class_War[/bold] wrote: I can apply for as many jobs as they want, I know I won't get them, won't even get an interview, never do and I apply for about 30 - 40 jobs every fortnight. Last year I was forced against my will to do 4 weeks unpaid Community Work, for which I received a certificate & letter stating that I has successfully complete "120 Hours Community Work", which is what it now says on my CV, thereby making me appear to be a criminal! LOL[/p][/quote]Perhaps if you focused more on trying to get a job instead of trying to break the system then you might be able to get one. You don't sound a stupid person, in fact you've made some reasonable points and some witty responses (and some not so good ones). Instead of encouraging people to stalk their DWP advisors, use the internet to research some employers and build relationships with them. Your energies are being expended in the wrong direction.[/p][/quote]You and a lot of others, seem to miss the point, there are no jobs! Government are forcing people into self-employed one-man-bands earning only 'tax credits', which is why the Income tax take isn't has high as it should be, considering we have the highest ever recorded employment figures. We are being 'conditioned', when Agenda 21 hits fully, via the TTIP, we all become slaves, working 35 hours for minimum wage topped up by benefits. Which is why the welfare bill keeps rising, Tax payers are subsidising company profits! Paying all the tents for those low paid workers! www.lawfuldissent.co .uk[/p][/quote]http://youtu.be/vK13 vAOEwzE Agenda 21: The Giant UN Eugenics Death Cult Exposed cmills
  • Score: 2

4:06pm Sat 6 Sep 14

Rollo56 says...

" If you look back at the 70's for example even though there was less jobs than now vs ratio of people just 0.5% claimed any benefits. People had pride and supported themselves and their families. Nowadays too many rely on the state to look after them"

In the 70's, you could walk out of one job and into another, I did it! I walked out of Repton foundry (Bingley) and into another one down the road, when I got sick of that, I went to work for Arthur Quinlan (Keighley) But all those jobs have gone, except maybe AQ! Times are a lot different now, a lot different!
" If you look back at the 70's for example even though there was less jobs than now vs ratio of people just 0.5% claimed any benefits. People had pride and supported themselves and their families. Nowadays too many rely on the state to look after them" In the 70's, you could walk out of one job and into another, I did it! I walked out of Repton foundry (Bingley) and into another one down the road, when I got sick of that, I went to work for Arthur Quinlan (Keighley) But all those jobs have gone, except maybe AQ! Times are a lot different now, a lot different! Rollo56
  • Score: 9

4:13pm Sat 6 Sep 14

Rollo56 says...

Nabwood;
Your link is a 404;
try this one; http://ishtarsgate.w
ordpress.com/2014/07
/14/the-eu-has-decla
red-war-on-britain-a
nd-we-only-have-four
-months-to-prepare/
or this;
www.lawfuldissent.co
.uk
Nabwood; Your link is a 404; try this one; http://ishtarsgate.w ordpress.com/2014/07 /14/the-eu-has-decla red-war-on-britain-a nd-we-only-have-four -months-to-prepare/ or this; www.lawfuldissent.co .uk Rollo56
  • Score: 2

4:19pm Sat 6 Sep 14

cmills says...

carolyne74 wrote:
Class_War wrote:
The Jobcentre is only a 10 min walk from my house so I'm not that bothered for myself but if you live miles away it would be impossible. I'll be able to easily sign each day and get back to bed asap. like it was all a bad dream...hahaha
I guess you missed the part where you've got to stay at the Job Centre all day? Going to be a shock to your system isn't it? The unemployed who are going to struggle getting to their Centre every day have got lazy morons like you to thank for it, as you sound like exactly the sort of person this scheme is trying to eradicate.
eradicate - I think your far to honest - usually its veiled in some sort of euphemism - at least your honest - Death by sanctions -starvation - then no one really has to actually physically do it- You do realize its only a matter of time before its you too- just hope you can hang on to that job then .
[quote][p][bold]carolyne74[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Class_War[/bold] wrote: The Jobcentre is only a 10 min walk from my house so I'm not that bothered for myself but if you live miles away it would be impossible. I'll be able to easily sign each day and get back to bed asap. like it was all a bad dream...hahaha[/p][/quote]I guess you missed the part where you've got to stay at the Job Centre all day? Going to be a shock to your system isn't it? The unemployed who are going to struggle getting to their Centre every day have got lazy morons like you to thank for it, as you sound like exactly the sort of person this scheme is trying to eradicate.[/p][/quote]eradicate - I think your far to honest - usually its veiled in some sort of euphemism - at least your honest - Death by sanctions -starvation - then no one really has to actually physically do it- You do realize its only a matter of time before its you too- just hope you can hang on to that job then . cmills
  • Score: 5

2:55am Sun 7 Sep 14

dannyboy27dp says...

this is very stupid people who look for work every day and still made to go to the job center everyday the thing is people who relay need their money can not afford to be going to job center as when who get your bus fairs paid back you have to wait 3 days to get it back into your bank end of the week after paying £3.90 for a day rider you be out of pocket by £11 very week so minus that from £140 a fortnight = £118 £22 can pay for food gas electric but no you need to do this to get benefits
at the end of the day their is not a lot of work out there Evey day i look on the job site and i see the same jobs that i have already applied for
and i was told to apply for other job that i dont know anything about
the government want us not to get anything back when i worked for years and payed my taxes and national insurance and i have to do this to get it back when i have worked my backside of to get paid crap wages and them to take a piece of it for them self's and we get nothing back apart from **** like this this country is going to the dogs
this is very stupid people who look for work every day and still made to go to the job center everyday the thing is people who relay need their money can not afford to be going to job center as when who get your bus fairs paid back you have to wait 3 days to get it back into your bank end of the week after paying £3.90 for a day rider you be out of pocket by £11 very week so minus that from £140 a fortnight = £118 £22 can pay for food gas electric but no you need to do this to get benefits at the end of the day their is not a lot of work out there Evey day i look on the job site and i see the same jobs that i have already applied for and i was told to apply for other job that i dont know anything about the government want us not to get anything back when i worked for years and payed my taxes and national insurance and i have to do this to get it back when i have worked my backside of to get paid crap wages and them to take a piece of it for them self's and we get nothing back apart from **** like this this country is going to the dogs dannyboy27dp
  • Score: 5

12:29pm Sun 7 Sep 14

janerids says...

llos25 wrote:
And assume that all this comes to fruition what happens when the jobs do not exist.Exactly how do they look for the job in a job centre as I read it there are going to thousands in one room there will not be enough toilets no catering nothing .I really do not think this has been thought out properly.
I agree entirely with you llos25 if there are so many people unemployed in Bradford, where are all the computers going to come from so that the unemployed can look for jobs.in the jobl centre. I go to the jobcentre in Shipley and theyve only 1 computer there and ive already applied for most of the jobs that are advertised so what chance do i have of not getting my JSA stopped
[quote][p][bold]llos25[/bold] wrote: And assume that all this comes to fruition what happens when the jobs do not exist.Exactly how do they look for the job in a job centre as I read it there are going to thousands in one room there will not be enough toilets no catering nothing .I really do not think this has been thought out properly.[/p][/quote]I agree entirely with you llos25 if there are so many people unemployed in Bradford, where are all the computers going to come from so that the unemployed can look for jobs.in the jobl centre. I go to the jobcentre in Shipley and theyve only 1 computer there and ive already applied for most of the jobs that are advertised so what chance do i have of not getting my JSA stopped janerids
  • Score: 5

12:32pm Sun 7 Sep 14

janerids says...

yezboss wrote:
I was speaking to an unemployed 21 year old. He wants to work. He has skills in the motor industry but cannot get a job unless he has more experience, how can he get that without a job? Recently despite his leanings and skills he was told to be at a certain location for 0530 in the morning and he would be taken to another town to work for the day. The job was in a warehouse owned by a well know local supermarket.
(This sounds to me like slave labour on the cheap) Together with about 20 others (mainly Poles he thought) they waited for transport which never arrived. So they all went home. Now if the Job Centre cannot do better than this it's time it was closed down.
I want to work too but even though I have 13 years experience in call centres, nobody wants to empoly me
[quote][p][bold]yezboss[/bold] wrote: I was speaking to an unemployed 21 year old. He wants to work. He has skills in the motor industry but cannot get a job unless he has more experience, how can he get that without a job? Recently despite his leanings and skills he was told to be at a certain location for 0530 in the morning and he would be taken to another town to work for the day. The job was in a warehouse owned by a well know local supermarket. (This sounds to me like slave labour on the cheap) Together with about 20 others (mainly Poles he thought) they waited for transport which never arrived. So they all went home. Now if the Job Centre cannot do better than this it's time it was closed down.[/p][/quote]I want to work too but even though I have 13 years experience in call centres, nobody wants to empoly me janerids
  • Score: 3

12:37pm Sun 7 Sep 14

janerids says...

Postman pedro wrote:
Stop smoking weed get off your fat arses, and get a life wake up to the real world. Makes me sick.
not everyone smokes weed pedro dont tar everyone with the same brush ive been trying to find work now for over a year without any luck at all
[quote][p][bold]Postman pedro[/bold] wrote: Stop smoking weed get off your fat arses, and get a life wake up to the real world. Makes me sick.[/p][/quote]not everyone smokes weed pedro dont tar everyone with the same brush ive been trying to find work now for over a year without any luck at all janerids
  • Score: 5

10:08pm Mon 8 Sep 14

s k kamalpuri says...

why don't the government provide trainings to work for the unemployeds? giving them full day training with the full pay and make them able to find a good job propects instead of imprisoning them without any trial?!!. it's a shame for the law makers who have badly failed in their responsibilities to create jobs for the public and fulfill their pledge!!.
why don't the government provide trainings to work for the unemployeds? giving them full day training with the full pay and make them able to find a good job propects instead of imprisoning them without any trial?!!. it's a shame for the law makers who have badly failed in their responsibilities to create jobs for the public and fulfill their pledge!!. s k kamalpuri
  • Score: 4

4:32pm Tue 9 Sep 14

Class_War says...

If we are to spend 35 hours per week jobhunting can we claim a reduction on bills for using home as office?
If we are to spend 35 hours per week jobhunting can we claim a reduction on bills for using home as office? Class_War
  • Score: 2

9:28pm Tue 9 Sep 14

Class_War says...

Message to IDS, the DWP and the Jobcenter: GET STUFFED
Message to IDS, the DWP and the Jobcenter: GET STUFFED Class_War
  • Score: 3

11:35pm Tue 9 Sep 14

Class_War says...

If they tried this $h1t in France the Jobcentres would get burned down. If they tried it in Eire they'd get blown up. Why do the English put up with it?
If they tried this $h1t in France the Jobcentres would get burned down. If they tried it in Eire they'd get blown up. Why do the English put up with it? Class_War
  • Score: 2

12:01am Wed 10 Sep 14

Class_War says...

The plot sickens:

http://www.tribunema
gazine.org/2014/09/m
ultinational-takes-c
harge-of-sick-pay-el
igibility/
The plot sickens: http://www.tribunema gazine.org/2014/09/m ultinational-takes-c harge-of-sick-pay-el igibility/ Class_War
  • Score: 1

1:12am Wed 10 Sep 14

Nabwood says...

Class_War wrote:
If they tried this $h1t in France the Jobcentres would get burned down. If they tried it in Eire they'd get blown up. Why do the English put up with it?
If they tried this in Germany, they would be swamped with people keen to get hours of additional help. If they tried it in America, they would say they don't need to go because they are already doing 50 hours a week themselves.
[quote][p][bold]Class_War[/bold] wrote: If they tried this $h1t in France the Jobcentres would get burned down. If they tried it in Eire they'd get blown up. Why do the English put up with it?[/p][/quote]If they tried this in Germany, they would be swamped with people keen to get hours of additional help. If they tried it in America, they would say they don't need to go because they are already doing 50 hours a week themselves. Nabwood
  • Score: 1

1:12am Wed 10 Sep 14

Nabwood says...

THe truth is that this a purely political action. The Tories want to be able to say that they cracked down on scroungers when the election comes around. Nothing else, just workhouse politics. I'm surprised only one person has mentioned the workhouse so far, because the parallels are quite striking.

As side effects, fraud will be reduced because people won't be able to work whilst claiming as easily, and a few extra people will actually get a job through the extra effort they have to put in. But don't be misled, these aren't the primary purpose = that is winning the election.
THe truth is that this a purely political action. The Tories want to be able to say that they cracked down on scroungers when the election comes around. Nothing else, just workhouse politics. I'm surprised only one person has mentioned the workhouse so far, because the parallels are quite striking. As side effects, fraud will be reduced because people won't be able to work whilst claiming as easily, and a few extra people will actually get a job through the extra effort they have to put in. But don't be misled, these aren't the primary purpose = that is winning the election. Nabwood
  • Score: 4

1:44am Wed 10 Sep 14

Class_War says...

On a much lighter note, just imagine the jubilant street parties all across the land when IDS kicks the bucket. A vision worth holding on to!
On a much lighter note, just imagine the jubilant street parties all across the land when IDS kicks the bucket. A vision worth holding on to! Class_War
  • Score: 0

1:46am Wed 10 Sep 14

Class_War says...

@ Nabwood

"they are already doing 50 hours a week themselves."

Is that all? Once upon a time I was working 63 hours per week, regularly.
@ Nabwood "they are already doing 50 hours a week themselves." Is that all? Once upon a time I was working 63 hours per week, regularly. Class_War
  • Score: 1

2:09am Wed 10 Sep 14

Class_War says...

Dear Santa,

Please send me a RPG for Christmas.

Love from Class War
Dear Santa, Please send me a RPG for Christmas. Love from Class War Class_War
  • Score: 0

12:39pm Wed 10 Sep 14

Class_War says...

How is this pilot scheme any different to New Labour's 'New Deal"? That failed too, so why repeat it?
How is this pilot scheme any different to New Labour's 'New Deal"? That failed too, so why repeat it? Class_War
  • Score: 0

3:49pm Wed 10 Sep 14

earstwhile says...

tinytoonster wrote:
wonder how many people will move an old relative in and claim to be carers!!
No one does that, moron.
[quote][p][bold]tinytoonster[/bold] wrote: wonder how many people will move an old relative in and claim to be carers!![/p][/quote]No one does that, moron. earstwhile
  • Score: 1

3:55pm Wed 10 Sep 14

earstwhile says...

Albion. wrote:
"Meanwhile, those with deep-rooted problems must attend therapy sessions to deal with poor literacy, or drink and drug addiction."

That should take care of a very large number then.
Literacy problems in the main are due to learning difficulties or disabilities. They are life long conditions that cannot be cured. Attending a job centre for 35 hours will not help, it will further serve to embarrass these poor people.
Those with drink or drug addiction need specialist help. Addiction to either is hard to kick. It affects the brain and alters it. These therapy sessions should be with a trained and fully qualified therapist. Also, you cannot force people to see one. What is the betting these poor souls will be sent to people who are unqualified, just like atos.
[quote][p][bold]Albion.[/bold] wrote: "Meanwhile, those with deep-rooted problems must attend therapy sessions to deal with poor literacy, or drink and drug addiction." That should take care of a very large number then.[/p][/quote]Literacy problems in the main are due to learning difficulties or disabilities. They are life long conditions that cannot be cured. Attending a job centre for 35 hours will not help, it will further serve to embarrass these poor people. Those with drink or drug addiction need specialist help. Addiction to either is hard to kick. It affects the brain and alters it. These therapy sessions should be with a trained and fully qualified therapist. Also, you cannot force people to see one. What is the betting these poor souls will be sent to people who are unqualified, just like atos. earstwhile
  • Score: 2

3:57pm Wed 10 Sep 14

earstwhile says...

tinytoonster wrote:
wonder how many people will move an old relative in and claim to be carers!!
No one does that. What a load of rubbish. To think you believe tory propaganda, what does that say about you, ninny? Answer, not a lot.
[quote][p][bold]tinytoonster[/bold] wrote: wonder how many people will move an old relative in and claim to be carers!![/p][/quote]No one does that. What a load of rubbish. To think you believe tory propaganda, what does that say about you, ninny? Answer, not a lot. earstwhile
  • Score: 2

4:12pm Wed 10 Sep 14

earstwhile says...

AtkinzM28 wrote:
What about disabled people that can't work 35+ hours a week, what about travel arrangements to and from the job centre, the costs of living on job seekers is hard enough. Fair enough for alcoholics and druggies getting sanctioned they chose that life let them live in the gutter, but for those that do look for work and get nowhere what then.... you cant send everyone to college or do work for free, why work for free its against human rights. How about close the UK borders and give jobs to UK citizens first and kick out all of those that live here on benefits and get things handed to them. Its unfair to cancel our benefits but if your foreign or of ethnic race you'll be ckassed as racist. This idiotic idea ISNT going to work. So which ever idiot decided it, you try living like someone on the unemployment line i can assure you you'll struggle just like the majority of us do.
Those who are on drugs or drink are addicted. Go get a 1st class degree in psychology and three years clinical training, then come back and tell me you know what you are talking about. Addiction is not as simple as you make it. Nor is it a lifestyle choice. Drugs or drink alter the brain, has direct effect on it.
[quote][p][bold]AtkinzM28[/bold] wrote: What about disabled people that can't work 35+ hours a week, what about travel arrangements to and from the job centre, the costs of living on job seekers is hard enough. Fair enough for alcoholics and druggies getting sanctioned they chose that life let them live in the gutter, but for those that do look for work and get nowhere what then.... you cant send everyone to college or do work for free, why work for free its against human rights. How about close the UK borders and give jobs to UK citizens first and kick out all of those that live here on benefits and get things handed to them. Its unfair to cancel our benefits but if your foreign or of ethnic race you'll be ckassed as racist. This idiotic idea ISNT going to work. So which ever idiot decided it, you try living like someone on the unemployment line i can assure you you'll struggle just like the majority of us do.[/p][/quote]Those who are on drugs or drink are addicted. Go get a 1st class degree in psychology and three years clinical training, then come back and tell me you know what you are talking about. Addiction is not as simple as you make it. Nor is it a lifestyle choice. Drugs or drink alter the brain, has direct effect on it. earstwhile
  • Score: 1

3:54am Sat 13 Sep 14

justjustice says...

Come sign this petition, get these idiots who think forcing people into deeper depression is the way to find a job!

http://epetitions.di
rect.gov.uk/petition
s/69168
Come sign this petition, get these idiots who think forcing people into deeper depression is the way to find a job! http://epetitions.di rect.gov.uk/petition s/69168 justjustice
  • Score: 1

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