War of words in Bradford over welfare of animals at circus

War of words in Bradford over welfare of animals at circus

Circus Mondao's camels Sabia (left) and Kashmer are preparing for an upcoming show

Circus Mondao's camel Sabia, is preparing for am upcoming show.

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A CIRCUS coming to a site in Thornton has defended itself against claims made by a Bradford animal rights group over the welfare of its animals.

Circus Mondao will be performing in a field at Leaventhorpe Hall, Thornton Road from tomorrow until September 14. The show features eight different species of animals including horses, camels, llamas, reindeer and zebras.

But the circus' inclusion of animals has been met with criticism by a city animal rights group, which claims the animals are "kept in cramped living quarters", a view denied by circus chiefs.

Circus Mondao, who are licensed through the Department for Environment, Food and Rural Affairs, tours the UK with its show, which started in 2006.

Susan Fawcett, spokesman for Bradford and Calderdale Animal Friends, said: "The use of animals in performing acts is a cruel practice by its very nature.

"Animals are kept in cramped living quarters and suffer a high level of stress as a consequence.

"Leaventhorpe Hall is highly irresponsible for allowing an animal circus to continue on their land.

"We call on the owners of Leaventhorpe Hall to refuse to host animal circuses in the future and resign this archaic practice to the history books."

Petra Jackson, ringmistress at Circus Mondao, has also hit out at a Facebook page set up by the animal group called 'Ask Leaventhorpe Stables to Cancel Circus Mondao', which features the venue's contact details.

She said: "We are licensed by the Government.

"Our animals are in tip-top condition. People in Bradford love to see the animals in the circus and we get complemented about the high standard of our animal welfare. The animals are not living in cramped conditions.

"It is live entertainment and not just about the animals. We are inspected on a regular basis, about seven times a year."

Anthony Gribbin, owner of Leaventhorpe Hall, said the circus would still go on at his site despite the criticism from Animal Friends.

He said: "The circus has been running for the last three years.

"Circus Mondao look after their animals exceptionally well. I would always make sure the animal welfare is up to standard for our property.

"I will not be bullied into not allowing the circus on my property.

"The circus will still be going on and it's not going to get cancelled. I have no issue having a circus here. It will come back next year and the year after that."

The show will also include a Ukrainian couple on the double trapeze and other aerial performers and acrobats.

Meanwhile, Circus Mondao are searching for an acrobat to replace a member of its Moroccan acrobatic tumblers group. They are looking for current members of a gymnastics club in the Bradford district of any age. Full training will be given.

For more information, call Petra Jackson on 07733 288500.

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8:24am Tue 2 Sep 14

Taxdodgerbuster says...

The same Leaventhorpe Hall whose owner was recently convicted of selling stolen farm vehicles and fined for selling a horse under false pretences? I wouldn't touch the place with a bargepole!
The same Leaventhorpe Hall whose owner was recently convicted of selling stolen farm vehicles and fined for selling a horse under false pretences? I wouldn't touch the place with a bargepole! Taxdodgerbuster
  • Score: 12

10:00am Tue 2 Sep 14

fisherman Steve says...

Taxdodgerbuster wrote:
The same Leaventhorpe Hall whose owner was recently convicted of selling stolen farm vehicles and fined for selling a horse under false pretences? I wouldn't touch the place with a bargepole!
I best take back the horse I have just bought then. I could not get used to the black and white stripes anyhow.
[quote][p][bold]Taxdodgerbuster[/bold] wrote: The same Leaventhorpe Hall whose owner was recently convicted of selling stolen farm vehicles and fined for selling a horse under false pretences? I wouldn't touch the place with a bargepole![/p][/quote]I best take back the horse I have just bought then. I could not get used to the black and white stripes anyhow. fisherman Steve
  • Score: 24

10:07am Tue 2 Sep 14

Foolroy says...

Taxdodgerbuster wrote:
The same Leaventhorpe Hall whose owner was recently convicted of selling stolen farm vehicles and fined for selling a horse under false pretences? I wouldn't touch the place with a bargepole!
Just before he did time he sold the place to his mother for £1. Anyway, there are more pressing issues to comment on, aren't there.
[quote][p][bold]Taxdodgerbuster[/bold] wrote: The same Leaventhorpe Hall whose owner was recently convicted of selling stolen farm vehicles and fined for selling a horse under false pretences? I wouldn't touch the place with a bargepole![/p][/quote]Just before he did time he sold the place to his mother for £1. Anyway, there are more pressing issues to comment on, aren't there. Foolroy
  • Score: 3

10:19am Tue 2 Sep 14

Caratacus1 says...

There is no way Circus Mondao can can dress up the use of exotic animals in their circus as acceptable - apart from the obvious practical issues involved, e.g. animals living in cramped living quarters, carted around in trailers and being made to suffer the pollution that the circus business constantly inflicts upon them, e.g. noise and crowds etc, research today has PROVED the complex social, emotional and physical needs of these animals, which CANNOT be met in a circus life. In light of this, an overwhelming majority of the public voted to ban wild animals in circuses in a recent government consultation. It's simple: Circus Mondao exploits animals for profit! Animals exist in their own right, not for our entertainment, and those with intelligence and compassion will certainly not be found in their audience.
There is no way Circus Mondao can can dress up the use of exotic animals in their circus as acceptable - apart from the obvious practical issues involved, e.g. animals living in cramped living quarters, carted around in trailers and being made to suffer the pollution that the circus business constantly inflicts upon them, e.g. noise and crowds etc, research today has PROVED the complex social, emotional and physical needs of these animals, which CANNOT be met in a circus life. In light of this, an overwhelming majority of the public voted to ban wild animals in circuses in a recent government consultation. It's simple: Circus Mondao exploits animals for profit! Animals exist in their own right, not for our entertainment, and those with intelligence and compassion will certainly not be found in their audience. Caratacus1
  • Score: 11

10:27am Tue 2 Sep 14

llos25 says...

Caratacus1 wrote:
There is no way Circus Mondao can can dress up the use of exotic animals in their circus as acceptable - apart from the obvious practical issues involved, e.g. animals living in cramped living quarters, carted around in trailers and being made to suffer the pollution that the circus business constantly inflicts upon them, e.g. noise and crowds etc, research today has PROVED the complex social, emotional and physical needs of these animals, which CANNOT be met in a circus life. In light of this, an overwhelming majority of the public voted to ban wild animals in circuses in a recent government consultation. It's simple: Circus Mondao exploits animals for profit! Animals exist in their own right, not for our entertainment, and those with intelligence and compassion will certainly not be found in their audience.
Agreed
[quote][p][bold]Caratacus1[/bold] wrote: There is no way Circus Mondao can can dress up the use of exotic animals in their circus as acceptable - apart from the obvious practical issues involved, e.g. animals living in cramped living quarters, carted around in trailers and being made to suffer the pollution that the circus business constantly inflicts upon them, e.g. noise and crowds etc, research today has PROVED the complex social, emotional and physical needs of these animals, which CANNOT be met in a circus life. In light of this, an overwhelming majority of the public voted to ban wild animals in circuses in a recent government consultation. It's simple: Circus Mondao exploits animals for profit! Animals exist in their own right, not for our entertainment, and those with intelligence and compassion will certainly not be found in their audience.[/p][/quote]Agreed llos25
  • Score: 0

10:55am Tue 2 Sep 14

Albion. says...

I think the use of animals in the circus, goes back to a time when most people rarely if ever got to see such creatures. These days we can study animals and watch TV programs about them on an almost daily basis. I prefer to watch skilful human performers personally, there always seems to be a hint of the seedy past when animals perform. So without even touching on their welfare or training methods, I have to say that I prefer the circus without animal performers.
I think the use of animals in the circus, goes back to a time when most people rarely if ever got to see such creatures. These days we can study animals and watch TV programs about them on an almost daily basis. I prefer to watch skilful human performers personally, there always seems to be a hint of the seedy past when animals perform. So without even touching on their welfare or training methods, I have to say that I prefer the circus without animal performers. Albion.
  • Score: 24

11:48am Tue 2 Sep 14

Out of site says...

Good to see the circus back,it bringa a lot of pleasure to lots of people.the do gooders on here want to keep thier noses out of it,the circus is licensed end of.
Good to see the circus back,it bringa a lot of pleasure to lots of people.the do gooders on here want to keep thier noses out of it,the circus is licensed end of. Out of site
  • Score: -1

12:00pm Tue 2 Sep 14

llos25 says...

Out of site wrote:
Good to see the circus back,it bringa a lot of pleasure to lots of people.the do gooders on here want to keep thier noses out of it,the circus is licensed end of.
So was slavery idiot.
[quote][p][bold]Out of site[/bold] wrote: Good to see the circus back,it bringa a lot of pleasure to lots of people.the do gooders on here want to keep thier noses out of it,the circus is licensed end of.[/p][/quote]So was slavery idiot. llos25
  • Score: -6

12:04pm Tue 2 Sep 14

Cityman23 says...

If being a "do-Gooder" means standing up for animals who are treated as commodities to be used to make money for people. COUNT ME IN! The days of animals being used in circuses should be long gone, along with bear baiting, **** fighting and other 'entertainments'.

There are plenty of ways for people to get their 'pleasures' with animals these days.
A) Get a pet
B) Buy a David Attenburgh DVD
C) Go to places where you can see animals living happily in their natural habitats.

And it's clearly not " End of!" In terms of criticism of those who use animals in circuses. Not by a long way. Those against it will not be silenced and continue to speak up. I believe it is nowadays the majority view.
If being a "do-Gooder" means standing up for animals who are treated as commodities to be used to make money for people. COUNT ME IN! The days of animals being used in circuses should be long gone, along with bear baiting, **** fighting and other 'entertainments'. There are plenty of ways for people to get their 'pleasures' with animals these days. A) Get a pet B) Buy a David Attenburgh DVD C) Go to places where you can see animals living happily in their natural habitats. And it's clearly not " End of!" In terms of criticism of those who use animals in circuses. Not by a long way. Those against it will not be silenced and continue to speak up. I believe it is nowadays the majority view. Cityman23
  • Score: 9

12:44pm Tue 2 Sep 14

Out of site says...

Minority do gooders that's all you are it's here it's licensed and it's going ahead.well done mr gribbiin take no notice of these tree huggers they should be out looking for work or do they object to that?
Minority do gooders that's all you are it's here it's licensed and it's going ahead.well done mr gribbiin take no notice of these tree huggers they should be out looking for work or do they object to that? Out of site
  • Score: -1

12:54pm Tue 2 Sep 14

Bone_idle18 says...

Do any of you have pets? Are you all vegetarian? Any horse riders? Anyone bet on horse racing - if so then you are in no position to criticise.
Do any of you have pets? Are you all vegetarian? Any horse riders? Anyone bet on horse racing - if so then you are in no position to criticise. Bone_idle18
  • Score: 33

1:25pm Tue 2 Sep 14

Bikerbeardy says...

hehe

"Meanwhile, Circus Mondao are searching for an acrobat to replace a member of its Moroccan acrobatic tumblers group. They are looking for current members of a gymnastics club in the Bradford district of any age"

I'm sure there are hundreds of Moroccan acrobats in Bradford, just waiting to join the circus !.
hehe "Meanwhile, Circus Mondao are searching for an acrobat to replace a member of its Moroccan acrobatic tumblers group. They are looking for current members of a gymnastics club in the Bradford district of any age" I'm sure there are hundreds of Moroccan acrobats in Bradford, just waiting to join the circus !. Bikerbeardy
  • Score: 16

1:26pm Tue 2 Sep 14

Sand Dancer Lass says...

I dont see the problem with this, they are being looked after and their needs are being met and to be fair dressing animals up .. They dress horses up in a fancy dress at some gymknanas, they dress dogs up when its cold.. hell some dress them up in dresses.. and no one comes down on them for it!
I dont see the problem with this, they are being looked after and their needs are being met and to be fair dressing animals up .. They dress horses up in a fancy dress at some gymknanas, they dress dogs up when its cold.. hell some dress them up in dresses.. and no one comes down on them for it! Sand Dancer Lass
  • Score: 14

1:42pm Tue 2 Sep 14

den friend says...

Out of site wrote:
Minority do gooders that's all you are it's here it's licensed and it's going ahead.well done mr gribbiin take no notice of these tree huggers they should be out looking for work or do they object to that?
Thank you I have a job.
You are a presumptuous idiot, but what should we expect from someone who enjoys watching animals perform tricks?
[quote][p][bold]Out of site[/bold] wrote: Minority do gooders that's all you are it's here it's licensed and it's going ahead.well done mr gribbiin take no notice of these tree huggers they should be out looking for work or do they object to that?[/p][/quote]Thank you I have a job. You are a presumptuous idiot, but what should we expect from someone who enjoys watching animals perform tricks? den friend
  • Score: -7

1:58pm Tue 2 Sep 14

Robin of Loxley says...

War of words in Bradford over welfare of animals at circus


I wonder if the term 'animals' is a euphemism for benefit-cheats and 'circus' for the Jobcentre?
[quote]War of words in Bradford over welfare of animals at circus [/quote] I wonder if the term 'animals' is a euphemism for benefit-cheats and 'circus' for the Jobcentre? Robin of Loxley
  • Score: -6

2:22pm Tue 2 Sep 14

InFavorOfCircus says...

I do not believe that circus animals are mis-treated. That makes no logical sense. These animals are valuable and loved members of the families they belong to. The animal rights agenda would take them (AND YOUR PET) away... Do not be fooled by the fund raising SCAM that is Animal Rights! The decision to include animals in your life, including circus animals, should be a decision of the people!
I do not believe that circus animals are mis-treated. That makes no logical sense. These animals are valuable and loved members of the families they belong to. The animal rights agenda would take them (AND YOUR PET) away... Do not be fooled by the fund raising SCAM that is Animal Rights! The decision to include animals in your life, including circus animals, should be a decision of the people! InFavorOfCircus
  • Score: 15

2:25pm Tue 2 Sep 14

BCFC1911 says...

Robin of Loxley wrote:
War of words in Bradford over welfare of animals at circus


I wonder if the term 'animals' is a euphemism for benefit-cheats and 'circus' for the Jobcentre?
see Bazaar
[quote][p][bold]Robin of Loxley[/bold] wrote: [quote]War of words in Bradford over welfare of animals at circus [/quote] I wonder if the term 'animals' is a euphemism for benefit-cheats and 'circus' for the Jobcentre?[/p][/quote]see Bazaar BCFC1911
  • Score: 4

2:32pm Tue 2 Sep 14

Jos7764 says...

Yes the photographs show really distressed animals locked up in cages???

Its a shame half the children in Bradford only ever get to see animals from watching TV. It would do a lot of the youth of today to see how much good can be done by training animals nicely instead of beating them or making them fight.

If you do not want to see well looked after and well trained animals then stay away but what gives you the right to tell others they cannot attend.
Yes the photographs show really distressed animals locked up in cages??? Its a shame half the children in Bradford only ever get to see animals from watching TV. It would do a lot of the youth of today to see how much good can be done by training animals nicely instead of beating them or making them fight. If you do not want to see well looked after and well trained animals then stay away but what gives you the right to tell others they cannot attend. Jos7764
  • Score: 24

2:52pm Tue 2 Sep 14

longlivecircusmondao says...

Circus Mondao take very good care of there animals. They are better looked after then the majority of animals kept by other people. They are always put first. There are people out there that really mistreat there animals and you're all wasting your time protesting against them when there animals are well looked after. I'd use my time helping animals that really need help
I'm not backing any other circus, but in mondaos case there animals are treated well. Just because a different circus in a different country treats there animals unfairly does not give us the right to judge every circus that way. If a person loved there dog and gave it everything would you judge that person because someone else mistreated there dog? Maybe you should see how well cared for there are before you pass judgement !
Circus Mondao take very good care of there animals. They are better looked after then the majority of animals kept by other people. They are always put first. There are people out there that really mistreat there animals and you're all wasting your time protesting against them when there animals are well looked after. I'd use my time helping animals that really need help I'm not backing any other circus, but in mondaos case there animals are treated well. Just because a different circus in a different country treats there animals unfairly does not give us the right to judge every circus that way. If a person loved there dog and gave it everything would you judge that person because someone else mistreated there dog? Maybe you should see how well cared for there are before you pass judgement ! longlivecircusmondao
  • Score: 21

3:02pm Tue 2 Sep 14

juliew65 says...

My 13 year old daughter was lucky enough to be chosen to stand in for the injured acrobat for 3 weeks when Circus Mondao was at Thornton Cleveleys. We were at the circus daily and saw for ourselves how these animals were treated. They are beautiful, happy, healthy and extremely well cared for. Most of the time they are outside grazing - not locked up in small cages as these people would have you believe! I have seen the interaction between the people and animals and they are truly loved - they are part of their family. I thoroughly enjoyed meeting them all and watching them - especially the camels - beautiful creatures.
My 13 year old daughter was lucky enough to be chosen to stand in for the injured acrobat for 3 weeks when Circus Mondao was at Thornton Cleveleys. We were at the circus daily and saw for ourselves how these animals were treated. They are beautiful, happy, healthy and extremely well cared for. Most of the time they are outside grazing - not locked up in small cages as these people would have you believe! I have seen the interaction between the people and animals and they are truly loved - they are part of their family. I thoroughly enjoyed meeting them all and watching them - especially the camels - beautiful creatures. juliew65
  • Score: 29

3:17pm Tue 2 Sep 14

CAPSWATCHER2 says...

It's a new religion, Against all the facts, Government inquiries, RSPCA reports ,and etc. these people accept Singerism, and the views that they are expected to accept by RSPCA - Animal Defenders, Captive Animals Protection Society , (CAPS) all subdivisions of the Mother Church. One of the main dogmas is " You must never visit an animal circus" "Instead you must get your"facts" from the photo-lab pictures, the emotional and approved chronicles and lies of our paid reporters and editors". My suggestion - GO INCOGNITO LOOK WITH YOUR OWN EYES ASK YOUR OWN QUESTIONS TO THE ANIMAL PEOPLE (Who know one end of a camel from the other) after the show and decide for yourself. Hundreds of people are doing just that. You've got a brain USE IT
It's a new religion, Against all the facts, Government inquiries, RSPCA reports ,and etc. these people accept Singerism, and the views that they are expected to accept by RSPCA - Animal Defenders, Captive Animals Protection Society , (CAPS) all subdivisions of the Mother Church. One of the main dogmas is " You must never visit an animal circus" "Instead you must get your"facts" from the photo-lab pictures, the emotional and approved chronicles and lies of our paid reporters and editors". My suggestion - GO INCOGNITO LOOK WITH YOUR OWN EYES ASK YOUR OWN QUESTIONS TO THE ANIMAL PEOPLE (Who know one end of a camel from the other) after the show and decide for yourself. Hundreds of people are doing just that. You've got a brain USE IT CAPSWATCHER2
  • Score: 20

3:39pm Tue 2 Sep 14

monobrow man says...

I loved going to see this circus a couple of years ago, I even got picked to do something with the clowns. My kids loved it and had a ride on the camels. The animals are well looked after and remember they are only animals, people should be putting effort in to help our children like the 1400 in Rotherham and countless others around the country
I loved going to see this circus a couple of years ago, I even got picked to do something with the clowns. My kids loved it and had a ride on the camels. The animals are well looked after and remember they are only animals, people should be putting effort in to help our children like the 1400 in Rotherham and countless others around the country monobrow man
  • Score: 15

3:49pm Tue 2 Sep 14

InFavorOfCircus says...

llos25 wrote:
Out of site wrote:
Good to see the circus back,it bringa a lot of pleasure to lots of people.the do gooders on here want to keep thier noses out of it,the circus is licensed end of.
So was slavery idiot.
No reason for calling names llos25! You are entitled to an opinion. Thats fine. The rest of us have an opinion too. We choose the circus over the lies of the animal rights fund raising scams. Circus animals are loved and well cared for.
[quote][p][bold]llos25[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Out of site[/bold] wrote: Good to see the circus back,it bringa a lot of pleasure to lots of people.the do gooders on here want to keep thier noses out of it,the circus is licensed end of.[/p][/quote]So was slavery idiot.[/p][/quote]No reason for calling names llos25! You are entitled to an opinion. Thats fine. The rest of us have an opinion too. We choose the circus over the lies of the animal rights fund raising scams. Circus animals are loved and well cared for. InFavorOfCircus
  • Score: 21

3:51pm Tue 2 Sep 14

InFavorOfCircus says...

It makes no logical sense that circus animals would be abused by those that love and care for them. Animal Rights fund raising businesses however do not use logic or common sense. They use propaganda to further their full agenda....including complete removal of animals from the lives of humans. No meat, no fur, no fishing, no circus, and NO PETS! Wake up people...don't be duped. Go to the CIRCUS and enjoy animals there and in your lives!
It makes no logical sense that circus animals would be abused by those that love and care for them. Animal Rights fund raising businesses however do not use logic or common sense. They use propaganda to further their full agenda....including complete removal of animals from the lives of humans. No meat, no fur, no fishing, no circus, and NO PETS! Wake up people...don't be duped. Go to the CIRCUS and enjoy animals there and in your lives! InFavorOfCircus
  • Score: 14

4:14pm Tue 2 Sep 14

Bikerbeardy says...

Jos7764 wrote:
Yes the photographs show really distressed animals locked up in cages???

Its a shame half the children in Bradford only ever get to see animals from watching TV. It would do a lot of the youth of today to see how much good can be done by training animals nicely instead of beating them or making them fight.

If you do not want to see well looked after and well trained animals then stay away but what gives you the right to tell others they cannot attend.
Thats because half of the children from Bradford are just as oppressed as their parents were and dont enjoy the childrens activitys such as, brownies, boy scouts, girl guides,day trips out, holidays abroad, etc, etc, but they so love their evening "extra" lessons they have to attend
[quote][p][bold]Jos7764[/bold] wrote: Yes the photographs show really distressed animals locked up in cages??? Its a shame half the children in Bradford only ever get to see animals from watching TV. It would do a lot of the youth of today to see how much good can be done by training animals nicely instead of beating them or making them fight. If you do not want to see well looked after and well trained animals then stay away but what gives you the right to tell others they cannot attend.[/p][/quote]Thats because half of the children from Bradford are just as oppressed as their parents were and dont enjoy the childrens activitys such as, brownies, boy scouts, girl guides,day trips out, holidays abroad, etc, etc, but they so love their evening "extra" lessons they have to attend Bikerbeardy
  • Score: 3

4:17pm Tue 2 Sep 14

Out of site says...

Tree huggers gone very quiet,have they gone to object on children eating ice cream?
Tree huggers gone very quiet,have they gone to object on children eating ice cream? Out of site
  • Score: 0

4:39pm Tue 2 Sep 14

Bone_idle18 says...

The birds they use have their own caravan, it's a mess, because they're birds, but it's still a decent space for them, and better than most people keep their birds in at home.

You can visit the animals when you go to the circus, and they all seem exceptionally contented, well fed and clean.

It's basically no different to a horse owner taking their horses to perform in show jumping events, if anything it's less taxing on the circus animals than on show jumping horses.
The birds they use have their own caravan, it's a mess, because they're birds, but it's still a decent space for them, and better than most people keep their birds in at home. You can visit the animals when you go to the circus, and they all seem exceptionally contented, well fed and clean. It's basically no different to a horse owner taking their horses to perform in show jumping events, if anything it's less taxing on the circus animals than on show jumping horses. Bone_idle18
  • Score: 12

5:05pm Tue 2 Sep 14

Cityman23 says...

Some of the comments on here are being made by people whose username shows they have come on this site specifically to defend the use of animals in this circus. This, they are perfectly entitled to do, but it begs the question are they employees of this circus, gaining from taking this point of view financially? If so, they are hardly, unbiased.

Animals being 'encouraged' ie forced to perform tricks or routines is not something ' natural.' If the animal can't do the trick very well or refuses, what happens to the animal then?

Also, animals taken out of their natural habitat can be unhappy, despite being technically 'looked after'. Examples of animals 'damaged' by being kept in cages in zoos are tigers and gorillas. Dolphins and orca killer whales are other examples of creatures that need much bigger spaces to roam than any cage can possibly provide eg in a sea life centre.

If you go to this circus, ask yourself why you are going. Is it because you have a liking for animals or because you find it amusing to see animals doing tricks or thrilling to see a trainer working with a so-called dangerous animal?

If it's the former, you would be best not going, because animals are always happiest in their natural environment. Going encourages more animals to be used in this way.
If it's because you want to be 'amused' or 'thrilled', ask yourself this: What happens to the animal which ceases to be able to do the trick, routine anymore? What happens to old animals, too old to perform tricks anymore? Is it right animals should be USED by humans simply as a way of making money?
Some of the comments on here are being made by people whose username shows they have come on this site specifically to defend the use of animals in this circus. This, they are perfectly entitled to do, but it begs the question are they employees of this circus, gaining from taking this point of view financially? If so, they are hardly, unbiased. Animals being 'encouraged' ie forced to perform tricks or routines is not something ' natural.' If the animal can't do the trick very well or refuses, what happens to the animal then? Also, animals taken out of their natural habitat can be unhappy, despite being technically 'looked after'. Examples of animals 'damaged' by being kept in cages in zoos are tigers and gorillas. Dolphins and orca killer whales are other examples of creatures that need much bigger spaces to roam than any cage can possibly provide eg in a sea life centre. If you go to this circus, ask yourself why you are going. Is it because you have a liking for animals or because you find it amusing to see animals doing tricks or thrilling to see a trainer working with a so-called dangerous animal? If it's the former, you would be best not going, because animals are always happiest in their natural environment. Going encourages more animals to be used in this way. If it's because you want to be 'amused' or 'thrilled', ask yourself this: What happens to the animal which ceases to be able to do the trick, routine anymore? What happens to old animals, too old to perform tricks anymore? Is it right animals should be USED by humans simply as a way of making money? Cityman23
  • Score: -9

5:33pm Tue 2 Sep 14

SueDudley says...

It is obvious that none of the anti-circus posters here have actually been to see Circus Mondao's animals or seen a show. They are not "forced to do tricks" - the horses do a little light dressage, the other animals walk round the ring, and I have seen their animals play up (if rarely) and they are simply taken out of the ring, certainly not punished. Their animals have a home for life and if you visit them (which of course you won't) you will see retired animals living happily without earning their keep. Take a look at the average zoo Bactrian camel and it will be in much poorer condition than this circus's.

I am not paid in any way by the circus - I visited them a couple of years ago to see for myself how their animals are kept. I was greeted warmly and invited back the next morning for a closer look. You will not find more open, caring people or more happy, loved, domestic animals than those living with Circus Mondao. It is possible that not all circuses are as good, but I will judge each one on an individual basis and not tar them all with the same brush. Go and see the animals and the show and judge for yourselves.
It is obvious that none of the anti-circus posters here have actually been to see Circus Mondao's animals or seen a show. They are not "forced to do tricks" - the horses do a little light dressage, the other animals walk round the ring, and I have seen their animals play up (if rarely) and they are simply taken out of the ring, certainly not punished. Their animals have a home for life and if you visit them (which of course you won't) you will see retired animals living happily without earning their keep. Take a look at the average zoo Bactrian camel and it will be in much poorer condition than this circus's. I am not paid in any way by the circus - I visited them a couple of years ago to see for myself how their animals are kept. I was greeted warmly and invited back the next morning for a closer look. You will not find more open, caring people or more happy, loved, domestic animals than those living with Circus Mondao. It is possible that not all circuses are as good, but I will judge each one on an individual basis and not tar them all with the same brush. Go and see the animals and the show and judge for yourselves. SueDudley
  • Score: 6

5:55pm Tue 2 Sep 14

Bone_idle18 says...

I asked one of the horses if they thought they were being abused at all, and the answer I got was "Neigh!"
I asked one of the horses if they thought they were being abused at all, and the answer I got was "Neigh!" Bone_idle18
  • Score: 10

5:56pm Tue 2 Sep 14

Cityman23 says...

SueDudley wrote:
It is obvious that none of the anti-circus posters here have actually been to see Circus Mondao's animals or seen a show. They are not "forced to do tricks" - the horses do a little light dressage, the other animals walk round the ring, and I have seen their animals play up (if rarely) and they are simply taken out of the ring, certainly not punished. Their animals have a home for life and if you visit them (which of course you won't) you will see retired animals living happily without earning their keep. Take a look at the average zoo Bactrian camel and it will be in much poorer condition than this circus's.

I am not paid in any way by the circus - I visited them a couple of years ago to see for myself how their animals are kept. I was greeted warmly and invited back the next morning for a closer look. You will not find more open, caring people or more happy, loved, domestic animals than those living with Circus Mondao. It is possible that not all circuses are as good, but I will judge each one on an individual basis and not tar them all with the same brush. Go and see the animals and the show and judge for yourselves.
The key comment in your email is, "It is possible that not all circuses are as good.."

That may well be right, but how does an unsuspecting spectator tell the difference? Are they expected to all carry out an individual inspection of each and every circus premises?

There have been many cases over the years of cruelty to animals in circuses both at home and abroad. You, I believe are aware of this, hence your admission. This particular circus MAY be better than many, but you can't say with any degree of certainty that the animals (if they had a choice) would not much rather be living in their home environment eg pertaining to reindeer or camels can you?

It is almost impossible for spectators to know which circuses treat their animals 'better ' and which treat them ' badly'-no circus will volunteer to admit they belong to the latter group.

So that is why, for the benefit of ALL the animals, incl. those which have to suffer maltreatment in circuses which mistreat their animals, it is better to...
SAY NO TO CIRCUS USE OF ANIMALS!

That doesn't mean the end of circuses, by the way. The flying trapeze, the high wire acts, the gymnasts, the clowns, the strong man, the conjurors, the dancers etc can all carry on the tradition, but then these people no what they're getting into and do so voluntarily. If they break a leg, or injure themselves as some must do, from time to time-It's THEIR choice.

And finally, that's at the root of what this is all about!
[quote][p][bold]SueDudley[/bold] wrote: It is obvious that none of the anti-circus posters here have actually been to see Circus Mondao's animals or seen a show. They are not "forced to do tricks" - the horses do a little light dressage, the other animals walk round the ring, and I have seen their animals play up (if rarely) and they are simply taken out of the ring, certainly not punished. Their animals have a home for life and if you visit them (which of course you won't) you will see retired animals living happily without earning their keep. Take a look at the average zoo Bactrian camel and it will be in much poorer condition than this circus's. I am not paid in any way by the circus - I visited them a couple of years ago to see for myself how their animals are kept. I was greeted warmly and invited back the next morning for a closer look. You will not find more open, caring people or more happy, loved, domestic animals than those living with Circus Mondao. It is possible that not all circuses are as good, but I will judge each one on an individual basis and not tar them all with the same brush. Go and see the animals and the show and judge for yourselves.[/p][/quote]The key comment in your email is, "It is possible that not all circuses are as good.." That may well be right, but how does an unsuspecting spectator tell the difference? Are they expected to all carry out an individual inspection of each and every circus premises? There have been many cases over the years of cruelty to animals in circuses both at home and abroad. You, I believe are aware of this, hence your admission. This particular circus MAY be better than many, but you can't say with any degree of certainty that the animals (if they had a choice) would not much rather be living in their home environment eg pertaining to reindeer or camels can you? It is almost impossible for spectators to know which circuses treat their animals 'better ' and which treat them ' badly'-no circus will volunteer to admit they belong to the latter group. So that is why, for the benefit of ALL the animals, incl. those which have to suffer maltreatment in circuses which mistreat their animals, it is better to... SAY NO TO CIRCUS USE OF ANIMALS! That doesn't mean the end of circuses, by the way. The flying trapeze, the high wire acts, the gymnasts, the clowns, the strong man, the conjurors, the dancers etc can all carry on the tradition, but then these people no what they're getting into and do so voluntarily. If they break a leg, or injure themselves as some must do, from time to time-It's THEIR choice. And finally, that's at the root of what this is all about! Cityman23
  • Score: -13

5:59pm Tue 2 Sep 14

Ricrich says...

Out of site wrote:
Good to see the circus back,it bringa a lot of pleasure to lots of people.the do gooders on here want to keep thier noses out of it,the circus is licensed end of.
Rather do gooder than do badder or to stupid to thinker. I see a theme in the use of language in other pro cruelty posts... any financial links to the venue or circus per-chance?
[quote][p][bold]Out of site[/bold] wrote: Good to see the circus back,it bringa a lot of pleasure to lots of people.the do gooders on here want to keep thier noses out of it,the circus is licensed end of.[/p][/quote]Rather do gooder than do badder or to stupid to thinker. I see a theme in the use of language in other pro cruelty posts... any financial links to the venue or circus per-chance? Ricrich
  • Score: -5

6:06pm Tue 2 Sep 14

Feater0214 says...

I think the vote says it all.
I think the vote says it all. Feater0214
  • Score: 8

6:06pm Tue 2 Sep 14

Ricrich says...

Out of site wrote:
Minority do gooders that's all you are it's here it's licensed and it's going ahead.well done mr gribbiin take no notice of these tree huggers they should be out looking for work or do they object to that?
Again the pro cruelty attack :"doogooder" as an insult- is this co-incidence or are they using a lousy PR firm? Friend of MrGribbin or the circus? Fortunately I do not need to look for work as I have a job that does not involve animal abuse.
[quote][p][bold]Out of site[/bold] wrote: Minority do gooders that's all you are it's here it's licensed and it's going ahead.well done mr gribbiin take no notice of these tree huggers they should be out looking for work or do they object to that?[/p][/quote]Again the pro cruelty attack :"doogooder" as an insult- is this co-incidence or are they using a lousy PR firm? Friend of MrGribbin or the circus? Fortunately I do not need to look for work as I have a job that does not involve animal abuse. Ricrich
  • Score: -3

6:15pm Tue 2 Sep 14

Cityman23 says...

Feater0214 wrote:
I think the vote says it all.
What does the vote say? Only, that more people have voted here in favour of circuses using animals. It doesn't mean it is right.
Or do you believe that we should always go along with the majority on each and every issue. If we did this, we might not have some of the more enlightened legislation we now enjoy, that started out supported by a minority but was finally accepted by a majority!
[quote][p][bold]Feater0214[/bold] wrote: I think the vote says it all.[/p][/quote]What does the vote say? Only, that more people have voted here in favour of circuses using animals. It doesn't mean it is right. Or do you believe that we should always go along with the majority on each and every issue. If we did this, we might not have some of the more enlightened legislation we now enjoy, that started out supported by a minority but was finally accepted by a majority! Cityman23
  • Score: -3

6:18pm Tue 2 Sep 14

They only do damage! says...

These are animals that graze all day, these wouldn't be hard to care for, or please so why would people want to mistreat them. Whst about the animals that get there throat cut without been stunned, or is it ok when you eat it?.
These are animals that graze all day, these wouldn't be hard to care for, or please so why would people want to mistreat them. Whst about the animals that get there throat cut without been stunned, or is it ok when you eat it?. They only do damage!
  • Score: 11

6:19pm Tue 2 Sep 14

LogicDarkStar says...

So let me get this straight. Using animals for entertainment is wrong. full stop?.... Ok so based on that logic, lets ban horse riding, fishing, horse racing, falconry, greyhounds, drag hunts, hamsters in wheels, pigeon racing, pigeon keeping, camel riding, showjumping (Olympic sport), dressage (Olympic sport), husky's pulling sledges. All zoos, all safari parks and so on and so on. You cant just single out one Circus with your silly points unless you want to put a stop to all of the above plus more. It makes you hypocritical and guilty of double standards. what you don't realize is that anyone who has actually been up close with Circus Mondao will realize that the animals are in fantastic condition. Spend most of their time grazing in the sun when not performing, and an enormous amount of cost and effort goes into keeping them healthy and fed. You cant just assume that an animal does not genuinely enjoy performing just because you think it doesn't. Unless you learn to speak Camel then you really have no idea what the animal is thinking. You can tell those people who are commenting that actually have experience with animals. The rest of you didn't touch on the good points of having such exotic animals accessible to children from a big city, that may not otherwise ever get a chance to see them, to learn about them. It raises awareness. It generates interest in wildlife. Why not actually visit the Circus, pay for a ticket and see what the show is all about. I can guarantee that most of your ticket money will go back into the animals care and feed anyway. So instead of being a clueless internet activist, do your research, and stop looking for reasons to have a whine.
So let me get this straight. Using animals for entertainment is wrong. full stop?.... Ok so based on that logic, lets ban horse riding, fishing, horse racing, falconry, greyhounds, drag hunts, hamsters in wheels, pigeon racing, pigeon keeping, camel riding, showjumping (Olympic sport), dressage (Olympic sport), husky's pulling sledges. All zoos, all safari parks and so on and so on. You cant just single out one Circus with your silly points unless you want to put a stop to all of the above plus more. It makes you hypocritical and guilty of double standards. what you don't realize is that anyone who has actually been up close with Circus Mondao will realize that the animals are in fantastic condition. Spend most of their time grazing in the sun when not performing, and an enormous amount of cost and effort goes into keeping them healthy and fed. You cant just assume that an animal does not genuinely enjoy performing just because you think it doesn't. Unless you learn to speak Camel then you really have no idea what the animal is thinking. You can tell those people who are commenting that actually have experience with animals. The rest of you didn't touch on the good points of having such exotic animals accessible to children from a big city, that may not otherwise ever get a chance to see them, to learn about them. It raises awareness. It generates interest in wildlife. Why not actually visit the Circus, pay for a ticket and see what the show is all about. I can guarantee that most of your ticket money will go back into the animals care and feed anyway. So instead of being a clueless internet activist, do your research, and stop looking for reasons to have a whine. LogicDarkStar
  • Score: 16

6:23pm Tue 2 Sep 14

LogicDarkStar says...

Cityman23 wrote:
Some of the comments on here are being made by people whose username shows they have come on this site specifically to defend the use of animals in this circus. This, they are perfectly entitled to do, but it begs the question are they employees of this circus, gaining from taking this point of view financially? If so, they are hardly, unbiased.

Animals being 'encouraged' ie forced to perform tricks or routines is not something ' natural.' If the animal can't do the trick very well or refuses, what happens to the animal then?

Also, animals taken out of their natural habitat can be unhappy, despite being technically 'looked after'. Examples of animals 'damaged' by being kept in cages in zoos are tigers and gorillas. Dolphins and orca killer whales are other examples of creatures that need much bigger spaces to roam than any cage can possibly provide eg in a sea life centre.

If you go to this circus, ask yourself why you are going. Is it because you have a liking for animals or because you find it amusing to see animals doing tricks or thrilling to see a trainer working with a so-called dangerous animal?

If it's the former, you would be best not going, because animals are always happiest in their natural environment. Going encourages more animals to be used in this way.
If it's because you want to be 'amused' or 'thrilled', ask yourself this: What happens to the animal which ceases to be able to do the trick, routine anymore? What happens to old animals, too old to perform tricks anymore? Is it right animals should be USED by humans simply as a way of making money?
How do you know the animals are being 'Forced'

Speculation. Nothing more.
[quote][p][bold]Cityman23[/bold] wrote: Some of the comments on here are being made by people whose username shows they have come on this site specifically to defend the use of animals in this circus. This, they are perfectly entitled to do, but it begs the question are they employees of this circus, gaining from taking this point of view financially? If so, they are hardly, unbiased. Animals being 'encouraged' ie forced to perform tricks or routines is not something ' natural.' If the animal can't do the trick very well or refuses, what happens to the animal then? Also, animals taken out of their natural habitat can be unhappy, despite being technically 'looked after'. Examples of animals 'damaged' by being kept in cages in zoos are tigers and gorillas. Dolphins and orca killer whales are other examples of creatures that need much bigger spaces to roam than any cage can possibly provide eg in a sea life centre. If you go to this circus, ask yourself why you are going. Is it because you have a liking for animals or because you find it amusing to see animals doing tricks or thrilling to see a trainer working with a so-called dangerous animal? If it's the former, you would be best not going, because animals are always happiest in their natural environment. Going encourages more animals to be used in this way. If it's because you want to be 'amused' or 'thrilled', ask yourself this: What happens to the animal which ceases to be able to do the trick, routine anymore? What happens to old animals, too old to perform tricks anymore? Is it right animals should be USED by humans simply as a way of making money?[/p][/quote]How do you know the animals are being 'Forced' Speculation. Nothing more. LogicDarkStar
  • Score: 0

6:24pm Tue 2 Sep 14

Sand Dancer Lass says...

Cityman23 wrote:
SueDudley wrote:
It is obvious that none of the anti-circus posters here have actually been to see Circus Mondao's animals or seen a show. They are not "forced to do tricks" - the horses do a little light dressage, the other animals walk round the ring, and I have seen their animals play up (if rarely) and they are simply taken out of the ring, certainly not punished. Their animals have a home for life and if you visit them (which of course you won't) you will see retired animals living happily without earning their keep. Take a look at the average zoo Bactrian camel and it will be in much poorer condition than this circus's.

I am not paid in any way by the circus - I visited them a couple of years ago to see for myself how their animals are kept. I was greeted warmly and invited back the next morning for a closer look. You will not find more open, caring people or more happy, loved, domestic animals than those living with Circus Mondao. It is possible that not all circuses are as good, but I will judge each one on an individual basis and not tar them all with the same brush. Go and see the animals and the show and judge for yourselves.
The key comment in your email is, "It is possible that not all circuses are as good.."

That may well be right, but how does an unsuspecting spectator tell the difference? Are they expected to all carry out an individual inspection of each and every circus premises?

There have been many cases over the years of cruelty to animals in circuses both at home and abroad. You, I believe are aware of this, hence your admission. This particular circus MAY be better than many, but you can't say with any degree of certainty that the animals (if they had a choice) would not much rather be living in their home environment eg pertaining to reindeer or camels can you?

It is almost impossible for spectators to know which circuses treat their animals 'better ' and which treat them ' badly'-no circus will volunteer to admit they belong to the latter group.

So that is why, for the benefit of ALL the animals, incl. those which have to suffer maltreatment in circuses which mistreat their animals, it is better to...
SAY NO TO CIRCUS USE OF ANIMALS!

That doesn't mean the end of circuses, by the way. The flying trapeze, the high wire acts, the gymnasts, the clowns, the strong man, the conjurors, the dancers etc can all carry on the tradition, but then these people no what they're getting into and do so voluntarily. If they break a leg, or injure themselves as some must do, from time to time-It's THEIR choice.

And finally, that's at the root of what this is all about!
To be quite honest. I remember when i was living up north and the good old Chipperfields Circus used to come to town. Now they had Lions and Elephants as well as zebras and horses. The Elephants were always chained up and the Lions were also in a cage and was stressed alot.

These at this circus are not stressed at all they don't display any signs of stress and the paper title is for the " WELFARE " of the animals at This Circus. Which well there is no welfare matter there at all. Also i went to their circus last year and it was pretty amazing. Also I have seen worse training in dressage horses/show jumpers and horse racing compaired to what these animals have been trained to do.

If an animal is happy there then i dont see what the problem is!
[quote][p][bold]Cityman23[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]SueDudley[/bold] wrote: It is obvious that none of the anti-circus posters here have actually been to see Circus Mondao's animals or seen a show. They are not "forced to do tricks" - the horses do a little light dressage, the other animals walk round the ring, and I have seen their animals play up (if rarely) and they are simply taken out of the ring, certainly not punished. Their animals have a home for life and if you visit them (which of course you won't) you will see retired animals living happily without earning their keep. Take a look at the average zoo Bactrian camel and it will be in much poorer condition than this circus's. I am not paid in any way by the circus - I visited them a couple of years ago to see for myself how their animals are kept. I was greeted warmly and invited back the next morning for a closer look. You will not find more open, caring people or more happy, loved, domestic animals than those living with Circus Mondao. It is possible that not all circuses are as good, but I will judge each one on an individual basis and not tar them all with the same brush. Go and see the animals and the show and judge for yourselves.[/p][/quote]The key comment in your email is, "It is possible that not all circuses are as good.." That may well be right, but how does an unsuspecting spectator tell the difference? Are they expected to all carry out an individual inspection of each and every circus premises? There have been many cases over the years of cruelty to animals in circuses both at home and abroad. You, I believe are aware of this, hence your admission. This particular circus MAY be better than many, but you can't say with any degree of certainty that the animals (if they had a choice) would not much rather be living in their home environment eg pertaining to reindeer or camels can you? It is almost impossible for spectators to know which circuses treat their animals 'better ' and which treat them ' badly'-no circus will volunteer to admit they belong to the latter group. So that is why, for the benefit of ALL the animals, incl. those which have to suffer maltreatment in circuses which mistreat their animals, it is better to... SAY NO TO CIRCUS USE OF ANIMALS! That doesn't mean the end of circuses, by the way. The flying trapeze, the high wire acts, the gymnasts, the clowns, the strong man, the conjurors, the dancers etc can all carry on the tradition, but then these people no what they're getting into and do so voluntarily. If they break a leg, or injure themselves as some must do, from time to time-It's THEIR choice. And finally, that's at the root of what this is all about![/p][/quote]To be quite honest. I remember when i was living up north and the good old Chipperfields Circus used to come to town. Now they had Lions and Elephants as well as zebras and horses. The Elephants were always chained up and the Lions were also in a cage and was stressed alot. These at this circus are not stressed at all they don't display any signs of stress and the paper title is for the " WELFARE " of the animals at This Circus. Which well there is no welfare matter there at all. Also i went to their circus last year and it was pretty amazing. Also I have seen worse training in dressage horses/show jumpers and horse racing compaired to what these animals have been trained to do. If an animal is happy there then i dont see what the problem is! Sand Dancer Lass
  • Score: 9

6:45pm Tue 2 Sep 14

Cityman23 says...

LogicDarkStar wrote:
Cityman23 wrote:
Some of the comments on here are being made by people whose username shows they have come on this site specifically to defend the use of animals in this circus. This, they are perfectly entitled to do, but it begs the question are they employees of this circus, gaining from taking this point of view financially? If so, they are hardly, unbiased.

Animals being 'encouraged' ie forced to perform tricks or routines is not something ' natural.' If the animal can't do the trick very well or refuses, what happens to the animal then?

Also, animals taken out of their natural habitat can be unhappy, despite being technically 'looked after'. Examples of animals 'damaged' by being kept in cages in zoos are tigers and gorillas. Dolphins and orca killer whales are other examples of creatures that need much bigger spaces to roam than any cage can possibly provide eg in a sea life centre.

If you go to this circus, ask yourself why you are going. Is it because you have a liking for animals or because you find it amusing to see animals doing tricks or thrilling to see a trainer working with a so-called dangerous animal?

If it's the former, you would be best not going, because animals are always happiest in their natural environment. Going encourages more animals to be used in this way.
If it's because you want to be 'amused' or 'thrilled', ask yourself this: What happens to the animal which ceases to be able to do the trick, routine anymore? What happens to old animals, too old to perform tricks anymore? Is it right animals should be USED by humans simply as a way of making money?
How do you know the animals are being 'Forced'

Speculation. Nothing more.
And how do you know they are not?

The truth is quite a few people with clear links to this circus have suddenly started posting on this site. Why? Because, they're frightened stiff business will be bad and takings will be down. Is it coincidental some of these posters have usernames connected with the word 'circus' ??!! Is it coincidental that a number of posters invite people to come along to the show (pay your money-not mentioned) and decide for yourself!!! Is it coincidental that so many posters just happen to have carried out their own personal inspections of this particular circus and found no problems whatsoever?!!
And some of the reasons for justifying the use of these animals in this way reminds me of an old joke re: fox hunting.

It goes like this: Fox hunting- the riders love it! The horses love it! The dogs love it! So, why should the fox complain?!!!
[quote][p][bold]LogicDarkStar[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Cityman23[/bold] wrote: Some of the comments on here are being made by people whose username shows they have come on this site specifically to defend the use of animals in this circus. This, they are perfectly entitled to do, but it begs the question are they employees of this circus, gaining from taking this point of view financially? If so, they are hardly, unbiased. Animals being 'encouraged' ie forced to perform tricks or routines is not something ' natural.' If the animal can't do the trick very well or refuses, what happens to the animal then? Also, animals taken out of their natural habitat can be unhappy, despite being technically 'looked after'. Examples of animals 'damaged' by being kept in cages in zoos are tigers and gorillas. Dolphins and orca killer whales are other examples of creatures that need much bigger spaces to roam than any cage can possibly provide eg in a sea life centre. If you go to this circus, ask yourself why you are going. Is it because you have a liking for animals or because you find it amusing to see animals doing tricks or thrilling to see a trainer working with a so-called dangerous animal? If it's the former, you would be best not going, because animals are always happiest in their natural environment. Going encourages more animals to be used in this way. If it's because you want to be 'amused' or 'thrilled', ask yourself this: What happens to the animal which ceases to be able to do the trick, routine anymore? What happens to old animals, too old to perform tricks anymore? Is it right animals should be USED by humans simply as a way of making money?[/p][/quote]How do you know the animals are being 'Forced' Speculation. Nothing more.[/p][/quote]And how do you know they are not? The truth is quite a few people with clear links to this circus have suddenly started posting on this site. Why? Because, they're frightened stiff business will be bad and takings will be down. Is it coincidental some of these posters have usernames connected with the word 'circus' ??!! Is it coincidental that a number of posters invite people to come along to the show (pay your money-not mentioned) and decide for yourself!!! Is it coincidental that so many posters just happen to have carried out their own personal inspections of this particular circus and found no problems whatsoever?!! And some of the reasons for justifying the use of these animals in this way reminds me of an old joke re: fox hunting. It goes like this: Fox hunting- the riders love it! The horses love it! The dogs love it! So, why should the fox complain?!!! Cityman23
  • Score: -2

7:00pm Tue 2 Sep 14

LogicDarkStar says...

Cityman23 wrote:
LogicDarkStar wrote:
Cityman23 wrote:
Some of the comments on here are being made by people whose username shows they have come on this site specifically to defend the use of animals in this circus. This, they are perfectly entitled to do, but it begs the question are they employees of this circus, gaining from taking this point of view financially? If so, they are hardly, unbiased.

Animals being 'encouraged' ie forced to perform tricks or routines is not something ' natural.' If the animal can't do the trick very well or refuses, what happens to the animal then?

Also, animals taken out of their natural habitat can be unhappy, despite being technically 'looked after'. Examples of animals 'damaged' by being kept in cages in zoos are tigers and gorillas. Dolphins and orca killer whales are other examples of creatures that need much bigger spaces to roam than any cage can possibly provide eg in a sea life centre.

If you go to this circus, ask yourself why you are going. Is it because you have a liking for animals or because you find it amusing to see animals doing tricks or thrilling to see a trainer working with a so-called dangerous animal?

If it's the former, you would be best not going, because animals are always happiest in their natural environment. Going encourages more animals to be used in this way.
If it's because you want to be 'amused' or 'thrilled', ask yourself this: What happens to the animal which ceases to be able to do the trick, routine anymore? What happens to old animals, too old to perform tricks anymore? Is it right animals should be USED by humans simply as a way of making money?
How do you know the animals are being 'Forced'

Speculation. Nothing more.
And how do you know they are not?

The truth is quite a few people with clear links to this circus have suddenly started posting on this site. Why? Because, they're frightened stiff business will be bad and takings will be down. Is it coincidental some of these posters have usernames connected with the word 'circus' ??!! Is it coincidental that a number of posters invite people to come along to the show (pay your money-not mentioned) and decide for yourself!!! Is it coincidental that so many posters just happen to have carried out their own personal inspections of this particular circus and found no problems whatsoever?!!
And some of the reasons for justifying the use of these animals in this way reminds me of an old joke re: fox hunting.

It goes like this: Fox hunting- the riders love it! The horses love it! The dogs love it! So, why should the fox complain?!!!
Few faults with your argument. Ill outline in this post

Firstly your argument about people having links with the circus are once again, speculation.
Secondly comparing fox hunting and the circus is just an absurdity. I'm sure you already know this so hopefully you will forgive me not explaining why. I'm guessing you were either grasping at straws or attempting to shock potential readers of your comment with such an extreme example.
Thirdly, when you witness an animal perform a task without being physically forced to do it, then you can actually say with some certainty that said animal is not being forced. Sigh.
And from your previous post, could you please enlighten me, seeing as you seem to possess some ultimate knowledge of Circus Mondao, what will happen to their animals when they can no longer perform? You seemed pretty confident in your argument so try to answer without speculation once again and use fact.
[quote][p][bold]Cityman23[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]LogicDarkStar[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Cityman23[/bold] wrote: Some of the comments on here are being made by people whose username shows they have come on this site specifically to defend the use of animals in this circus. This, they are perfectly entitled to do, but it begs the question are they employees of this circus, gaining from taking this point of view financially? If so, they are hardly, unbiased. Animals being 'encouraged' ie forced to perform tricks or routines is not something ' natural.' If the animal can't do the trick very well or refuses, what happens to the animal then? Also, animals taken out of their natural habitat can be unhappy, despite being technically 'looked after'. Examples of animals 'damaged' by being kept in cages in zoos are tigers and gorillas. Dolphins and orca killer whales are other examples of creatures that need much bigger spaces to roam than any cage can possibly provide eg in a sea life centre. If you go to this circus, ask yourself why you are going. Is it because you have a liking for animals or because you find it amusing to see animals doing tricks or thrilling to see a trainer working with a so-called dangerous animal? If it's the former, you would be best not going, because animals are always happiest in their natural environment. Going encourages more animals to be used in this way. If it's because you want to be 'amused' or 'thrilled', ask yourself this: What happens to the animal which ceases to be able to do the trick, routine anymore? What happens to old animals, too old to perform tricks anymore? Is it right animals should be USED by humans simply as a way of making money?[/p][/quote]How do you know the animals are being 'Forced' Speculation. Nothing more.[/p][/quote]And how do you know they are not? The truth is quite a few people with clear links to this circus have suddenly started posting on this site. Why? Because, they're frightened stiff business will be bad and takings will be down. Is it coincidental some of these posters have usernames connected with the word 'circus' ??!! Is it coincidental that a number of posters invite people to come along to the show (pay your money-not mentioned) and decide for yourself!!! Is it coincidental that so many posters just happen to have carried out their own personal inspections of this particular circus and found no problems whatsoever?!! And some of the reasons for justifying the use of these animals in this way reminds me of an old joke re: fox hunting. It goes like this: Fox hunting- the riders love it! The horses love it! The dogs love it! So, why should the fox complain?!!![/p][/quote]Few faults with your argument. Ill outline in this post Firstly your argument about people having links with the circus are once again, speculation. Secondly comparing fox hunting and the circus is just an absurdity. I'm sure you already know this so hopefully you will forgive me not explaining why. I'm guessing you were either grasping at straws or attempting to shock potential readers of your comment with such an extreme example. Thirdly, when you witness an animal perform a task without being physically forced to do it, then you can actually say with some certainty that said animal is not being forced. Sigh. And from your previous post, could you please enlighten me, seeing as you seem to possess some ultimate knowledge of Circus Mondao, what will happen to their animals when they can no longer perform? You seemed pretty confident in your argument so try to answer without speculation once again and use fact. LogicDarkStar
  • Score: 2

7:12pm Tue 2 Sep 14

Robin of Loxley says...

LogicDarkStar wrote:
Cityman23 wrote:
Some of the comments on here are being made by people whose username shows they have come on this site specifically to defend the use of animals in this circus. This, they are perfectly entitled to do, but it begs the question are they employees of this circus, gaining from taking this point of view financially? If so, they are hardly, unbiased.

Animals being 'encouraged' ie forced to perform tricks or routines is not something ' natural.' If the animal can't do the trick very well or refuses, what happens to the animal then?

Also, animals taken out of their natural habitat can be unhappy, despite being technically 'looked after'. Examples of animals 'damaged' by being kept in cages in zoos are tigers and gorillas. Dolphins and orca killer whales are other examples of creatures that need much bigger spaces to roam than any cage can possibly provide eg in a sea life centre.

If you go to this circus, ask yourself why you are going. Is it because you have a liking for animals or because you find it amusing to see animals doing tricks or thrilling to see a trainer working with a so-called dangerous animal?

If it's the former, you would be best not going, because animals are always happiest in their natural environment. Going encourages more animals to be used in this way.
If it's because you want to be 'amused' or 'thrilled', ask yourself this: What happens to the animal which ceases to be able to do the trick, routine anymore? What happens to old animals, too old to perform tricks anymore? Is it right animals should be USED by humans simply as a way of making money?
How do you know the animals are being 'Forced'

Speculation. Nothing more.
I got an e-mail from one of them.

It was horrible.
[quote][p][bold]LogicDarkStar[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Cityman23[/bold] wrote: Some of the comments on here are being made by people whose username shows they have come on this site specifically to defend the use of animals in this circus. This, they are perfectly entitled to do, but it begs the question are they employees of this circus, gaining from taking this point of view financially? If so, they are hardly, unbiased. Animals being 'encouraged' ie forced to perform tricks or routines is not something ' natural.' If the animal can't do the trick very well or refuses, what happens to the animal then? Also, animals taken out of their natural habitat can be unhappy, despite being technically 'looked after'. Examples of animals 'damaged' by being kept in cages in zoos are tigers and gorillas. Dolphins and orca killer whales are other examples of creatures that need much bigger spaces to roam than any cage can possibly provide eg in a sea life centre. If you go to this circus, ask yourself why you are going. Is it because you have a liking for animals or because you find it amusing to see animals doing tricks or thrilling to see a trainer working with a so-called dangerous animal? If it's the former, you would be best not going, because animals are always happiest in their natural environment. Going encourages more animals to be used in this way. If it's because you want to be 'amused' or 'thrilled', ask yourself this: What happens to the animal which ceases to be able to do the trick, routine anymore? What happens to old animals, too old to perform tricks anymore? Is it right animals should be USED by humans simply as a way of making money?[/p][/quote]How do you know the animals are being 'Forced' Speculation. Nothing more.[/p][/quote]I got an e-mail from one of them. It was horrible. Robin of Loxley
  • Score: -8

7:13pm Tue 2 Sep 14

paulcircus says...

circus mondao is amazing all the animals are well loved and looked after plz go and see and talk to the staff who will answer any questions
circus mondao is amazing all the animals are well loved and looked after plz go and see and talk to the staff who will answer any questions paulcircus
  • Score: 7

7:37pm Tue 2 Sep 14

Cityman23 says...

LogicDarkStar wrote:
Cityman23 wrote:
LogicDarkStar wrote:
Cityman23 wrote:
Some of the comments on here are being made by people whose username shows they have come on this site specifically to defend the use of animals in this circus. This, they are perfectly entitled to do, but it begs the question are they employees of this circus, gaining from taking this point of view financially? If so, they are hardly, unbiased.

Animals being 'encouraged' ie forced to perform tricks or routines is not something ' natural.' If the animal can't do the trick very well or refuses, what happens to the animal then?

Also, animals taken out of their natural habitat can be unhappy, despite being technically 'looked after'. Examples of animals 'damaged' by being kept in cages in zoos are tigers and gorillas. Dolphins and orca killer whales are other examples of creatures that need much bigger spaces to roam than any cage can possibly provide eg in a sea life centre.

If you go to this circus, ask yourself why you are going. Is it because you have a liking for animals or because you find it amusing to see animals doing tricks or thrilling to see a trainer working with a so-called dangerous animal?

If it's the former, you would be best not going, because animals are always happiest in their natural environment. Going encourages more animals to be used in this way.
If it's because you want to be 'amused' or 'thrilled', ask yourself this: What happens to the animal which ceases to be able to do the trick, routine anymore? What happens to old animals, too old to perform tricks anymore? Is it right animals should be USED by humans simply as a way of making money?
How do you know the animals are being 'Forced'

Speculation. Nothing more.
And how do you know they are not?

The truth is quite a few people with clear links to this circus have suddenly started posting on this site. Why? Because, they're frightened stiff business will be bad and takings will be down. Is it coincidental some of these posters have usernames connected with the word 'circus' ??!! Is it coincidental that a number of posters invite people to come along to the show (pay your money-not mentioned) and decide for yourself!!! Is it coincidental that so many posters just happen to have carried out their own personal inspections of this particular circus and found no problems whatsoever?!!
And some of the reasons for justifying the use of these animals in this way reminds me of an old joke re: fox hunting.

It goes like this: Fox hunting- the riders love it! The horses love it! The dogs love it! So, why should the fox complain?!!!
Few faults with your argument. Ill outline in this post

Firstly your argument about people having links with the circus are once again, speculation.
Secondly comparing fox hunting and the circus is just an absurdity. I'm sure you already know this so hopefully you will forgive me not explaining why. I'm guessing you were either grasping at straws or attempting to shock potential readers of your comment with such an extreme example.
Thirdly, when you witness an animal perform a task without being physically forced to do it, then you can actually say with some certainty that said animal is not being forced. Sigh.
And from your previous post, could you please enlighten me, seeing as you seem to possess some ultimate knowledge of Circus Mondao, what will happen to their animals when they can no longer perform? You seemed pretty confident in your argument so try to answer without speculation once again and use fact.
I used the fox joke as a way of showing that when people justify USING animals (in the case of the animal circus) for making money, the last thing they want is people bringing up the thorny subject of animal cruelty.

To put it another way, that 'subject' is as welcome at an animal circus as a case of foot and mouth at a farm!!

But the basic point of the joke ( which you didn't get) was that to support animals in circuses you'd prepared to argue that everything's tickety-boo- the reindeer love it, the camels love it, the llamas love it. Next you'll be saying Dr Doolittle's been over to talk to the animals and ..guess what...the animals have told him.. They're just fine with it too!!
[quote][p][bold]LogicDarkStar[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Cityman23[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]LogicDarkStar[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Cityman23[/bold] wrote: Some of the comments on here are being made by people whose username shows they have come on this site specifically to defend the use of animals in this circus. This, they are perfectly entitled to do, but it begs the question are they employees of this circus, gaining from taking this point of view financially? If so, they are hardly, unbiased. Animals being 'encouraged' ie forced to perform tricks or routines is not something ' natural.' If the animal can't do the trick very well or refuses, what happens to the animal then? Also, animals taken out of their natural habitat can be unhappy, despite being technically 'looked after'. Examples of animals 'damaged' by being kept in cages in zoos are tigers and gorillas. Dolphins and orca killer whales are other examples of creatures that need much bigger spaces to roam than any cage can possibly provide eg in a sea life centre. If you go to this circus, ask yourself why you are going. Is it because you have a liking for animals or because you find it amusing to see animals doing tricks or thrilling to see a trainer working with a so-called dangerous animal? If it's the former, you would be best not going, because animals are always happiest in their natural environment. Going encourages more animals to be used in this way. If it's because you want to be 'amused' or 'thrilled', ask yourself this: What happens to the animal which ceases to be able to do the trick, routine anymore? What happens to old animals, too old to perform tricks anymore? Is it right animals should be USED by humans simply as a way of making money?[/p][/quote]How do you know the animals are being 'Forced' Speculation. Nothing more.[/p][/quote]And how do you know they are not? The truth is quite a few people with clear links to this circus have suddenly started posting on this site. Why? Because, they're frightened stiff business will be bad and takings will be down. Is it coincidental some of these posters have usernames connected with the word 'circus' ??!! Is it coincidental that a number of posters invite people to come along to the show (pay your money-not mentioned) and decide for yourself!!! Is it coincidental that so many posters just happen to have carried out their own personal inspections of this particular circus and found no problems whatsoever?!! And some of the reasons for justifying the use of these animals in this way reminds me of an old joke re: fox hunting. It goes like this: Fox hunting- the riders love it! The horses love it! The dogs love it! So, why should the fox complain?!!![/p][/quote]Few faults with your argument. Ill outline in this post Firstly your argument about people having links with the circus are once again, speculation. Secondly comparing fox hunting and the circus is just an absurdity. I'm sure you already know this so hopefully you will forgive me not explaining why. I'm guessing you were either grasping at straws or attempting to shock potential readers of your comment with such an extreme example. Thirdly, when you witness an animal perform a task without being physically forced to do it, then you can actually say with some certainty that said animal is not being forced. Sigh. And from your previous post, could you please enlighten me, seeing as you seem to possess some ultimate knowledge of Circus Mondao, what will happen to their animals when they can no longer perform? You seemed pretty confident in your argument so try to answer without speculation once again and use fact.[/p][/quote]I used the fox joke as a way of showing that when people justify USING animals (in the case of the animal circus) for making money, the last thing they want is people bringing up the thorny subject of animal cruelty. To put it another way, that 'subject' is as welcome at an animal circus as a case of foot and mouth at a farm!! But the basic point of the joke ( which you didn't get) was that to support animals in circuses you'd prepared to argue that everything's tickety-boo- the reindeer love it, the camels love it, the llamas love it. Next you'll be saying Dr Doolittle's been over to talk to the animals and ..guess what...the animals have told him.. They're just fine with it too!! Cityman23
  • Score: -4

7:52pm Tue 2 Sep 14

Cityman23 says...

To CircusMondao and all circuses, stop using animals in your acts. Stick to using human animals. That way we can be sure all of them are not unhappy to be part of the show. And of course, you will most likely find MORE people will actually want to come to your show-perhaps even animal supporting spoilsports like me!! And if that happens, takings will be UP!! So...what's not to like!
To CircusMondao and all circuses, stop using animals in your acts. Stick to using human animals. That way we can be sure all of them are not unhappy to be part of the show. And of course, you will most likely find MORE people will actually want to come to your show-perhaps even animal supporting spoilsports like me!! And if that happens, takings will be UP!! So...what's not to like! Cityman23
  • Score: -1

7:56pm Tue 2 Sep 14

LogicDarkStar says...

Now your just being absurd for the sake of it.

Ill put it in plain clear text just so you can see the error of your ways.

FOX HUNTING : Animal is hurt or killed for amusement BAD

CIRCUS MONDAO : Animals have constant supply of fresh food/water. Animals groomed daily. Animals exercised daily. Animals have outdoor grazing. Animals NOT killed for fun. Animals NOT hurt for fun. Except in your mind perhaps.

You'll excuse me for thinking that argument does not belong in this at all.
Now your just being absurd for the sake of it. Ill put it in plain clear text just so you can see the error of your ways. FOX HUNTING : Animal is hurt or killed for amusement BAD CIRCUS MONDAO : Animals have constant supply of fresh food/water. Animals groomed daily. Animals exercised daily. Animals have outdoor grazing. Animals NOT killed for fun. Animals NOT hurt for fun. Except in your mind perhaps. You'll excuse me for thinking that argument does not belong in this at all. LogicDarkStar
  • Score: 6

7:59pm Tue 2 Sep 14

LogicDarkStar says...

Cityman23 wrote:
LogicDarkStar wrote:
Cityman23 wrote:
LogicDarkStar wrote:
Cityman23 wrote:
Some of the comments on here are being made by people whose username shows they have come on this site specifically to defend the use of animals in this circus. This, they are perfectly entitled to do, but it begs the question are they employees of this circus, gaining from taking this point of view financially? If so, they are hardly, unbiased.

Animals being 'encouraged' ie forced to perform tricks or routines is not something ' natural.' If the animal can't do the trick very well or refuses, what happens to the animal then?

Also, animals taken out of their natural habitat can be unhappy, despite being technically 'looked after'. Examples of animals 'damaged' by being kept in cages in zoos are tigers and gorillas. Dolphins and orca killer whales are other examples of creatures that need much bigger spaces to roam than any cage can possibly provide eg in a sea life centre.

If you go to this circus, ask yourself why you are going. Is it because you have a liking for animals or because you find it amusing to see animals doing tricks or thrilling to see a trainer working with a so-called dangerous animal?

If it's the former, you would be best not going, because animals are always happiest in their natural environment. Going encourages more animals to be used in this way.
If it's because you want to be 'amused' or 'thrilled', ask yourself this: What happens to the animal which ceases to be able to do the trick, routine anymore? What happens to old animals, too old to perform tricks anymore? Is it right animals should be USED by humans simply as a way of making money?
How do you know the animals are being 'Forced'

Speculation. Nothing more.
And how do you know they are not?

The truth is quite a few people with clear links to this circus have suddenly started posting on this site. Why? Because, they're frightened stiff business will be bad and takings will be down. Is it coincidental some of these posters have usernames connected with the word 'circus' ??!! Is it coincidental that a number of posters invite people to come along to the show (pay your money-not mentioned) and decide for yourself!!! Is it coincidental that so many posters just happen to have carried out their own personal inspections of this particular circus and found no problems whatsoever?!!
And some of the reasons for justifying the use of these animals in this way reminds me of an old joke re: fox hunting.

It goes like this: Fox hunting- the riders love it! The horses love it! The dogs love it! So, why should the fox complain?!!!
Few faults with your argument. Ill outline in this post

Firstly your argument about people having links with the circus are once again, speculation.
Secondly comparing fox hunting and the circus is just an absurdity. I'm sure you already know this so hopefully you will forgive me not explaining why. I'm guessing you were either grasping at straws or attempting to shock potential readers of your comment with such an extreme example.
Thirdly, when you witness an animal perform a task without being physically forced to do it, then you can actually say with some certainty that said animal is not being forced. Sigh.
And from your previous post, could you please enlighten me, seeing as you seem to possess some ultimate knowledge of Circus Mondao, what will happen to their animals when they can no longer perform? You seemed pretty confident in your argument so try to answer without speculation once again and use fact.
I used the fox joke as a way of showing that when people justify USING animals (in the case of the animal circus) for making money, the last thing they want is people bringing up the thorny subject of animal cruelty.

To put it another way, that 'subject' is as welcome at an animal circus as a case of foot and mouth at a farm!!

But the basic point of the joke ( which you didn't get) was that to support animals in circuses you'd prepared to argue that everything's tickety-boo- the reindeer love it, the camels love it, the llamas love it. Next you'll be saying Dr Doolittle's been over to talk to the animals and ..guess what...the animals have told him.. They're just fine with it too!!
You skillfully dodged my question at the end
[quote][p][bold]Cityman23[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]LogicDarkStar[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Cityman23[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]LogicDarkStar[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Cityman23[/bold] wrote: Some of the comments on here are being made by people whose username shows they have come on this site specifically to defend the use of animals in this circus. This, they are perfectly entitled to do, but it begs the question are they employees of this circus, gaining from taking this point of view financially? If so, they are hardly, unbiased. Animals being 'encouraged' ie forced to perform tricks or routines is not something ' natural.' If the animal can't do the trick very well or refuses, what happens to the animal then? Also, animals taken out of their natural habitat can be unhappy, despite being technically 'looked after'. Examples of animals 'damaged' by being kept in cages in zoos are tigers and gorillas. Dolphins and orca killer whales are other examples of creatures that need much bigger spaces to roam than any cage can possibly provide eg in a sea life centre. If you go to this circus, ask yourself why you are going. Is it because you have a liking for animals or because you find it amusing to see animals doing tricks or thrilling to see a trainer working with a so-called dangerous animal? If it's the former, you would be best not going, because animals are always happiest in their natural environment. Going encourages more animals to be used in this way. If it's because you want to be 'amused' or 'thrilled', ask yourself this: What happens to the animal which ceases to be able to do the trick, routine anymore? What happens to old animals, too old to perform tricks anymore? Is it right animals should be USED by humans simply as a way of making money?[/p][/quote]How do you know the animals are being 'Forced' Speculation. Nothing more.[/p][/quote]And how do you know they are not? The truth is quite a few people with clear links to this circus have suddenly started posting on this site. Why? Because, they're frightened stiff business will be bad and takings will be down. Is it coincidental some of these posters have usernames connected with the word 'circus' ??!! Is it coincidental that a number of posters invite people to come along to the show (pay your money-not mentioned) and decide for yourself!!! Is it coincidental that so many posters just happen to have carried out their own personal inspections of this particular circus and found no problems whatsoever?!! And some of the reasons for justifying the use of these animals in this way reminds me of an old joke re: fox hunting. It goes like this: Fox hunting- the riders love it! The horses love it! The dogs love it! So, why should the fox complain?!!![/p][/quote]Few faults with your argument. Ill outline in this post Firstly your argument about people having links with the circus are once again, speculation. Secondly comparing fox hunting and the circus is just an absurdity. I'm sure you already know this so hopefully you will forgive me not explaining why. I'm guessing you were either grasping at straws or attempting to shock potential readers of your comment with such an extreme example. Thirdly, when you witness an animal perform a task without being physically forced to do it, then you can actually say with some certainty that said animal is not being forced. Sigh. And from your previous post, could you please enlighten me, seeing as you seem to possess some ultimate knowledge of Circus Mondao, what will happen to their animals when they can no longer perform? You seemed pretty confident in your argument so try to answer without speculation once again and use fact.[/p][/quote]I used the fox joke as a way of showing that when people justify USING animals (in the case of the animal circus) for making money, the last thing they want is people bringing up the thorny subject of animal cruelty. To put it another way, that 'subject' is as welcome at an animal circus as a case of foot and mouth at a farm!! But the basic point of the joke ( which you didn't get) was that to support animals in circuses you'd prepared to argue that everything's tickety-boo- the reindeer love it, the camels love it, the llamas love it. Next you'll be saying Dr Doolittle's been over to talk to the animals and ..guess what...the animals have told him.. They're just fine with it too!![/p][/quote]You skillfully dodged my question at the end LogicDarkStar
  • Score: 3

8:16pm Tue 2 Sep 14

Cityman23 says...

Just because you didn't 'get' the fox joke, doesn't mean I was trying to say fox hunting is the same as using animals in circuses! And I didn't -YOU did.

Look why don't you admit you and a number of your fellow posters on here are employees or friends and relatives of Circusmondao? I mean when someone just happens to use the username (above)
'Infavourof circus' or 'circusmondaoforever
' it slightly gives the game away don't you think?!! You need to get your operatives to be a little less obvious in their loyalties, if you go to other towns, posting on their newspaper sites!!

You're either the ringmaster, or the high wire act ( and one too many bumps on the head!!) or is it...the trapeze artist. NB I could have gone for a low blow and said it was one of the clowns ...but no, I don't believe in cruelty to....!!
Just because you didn't 'get' the fox joke, doesn't mean I was trying to say fox hunting is the same as using animals in circuses! And I didn't -YOU did. Look why don't you admit you and a number of your fellow posters on here are employees or friends and relatives of Circusmondao? I mean when someone just happens to use the username (above) 'Infavourof circus' or 'circusmondaoforever ' it slightly gives the game away don't you think?!! You need to get your operatives to be a little less obvious in their loyalties, if you go to other towns, posting on their newspaper sites!! You're either the ringmaster, or the high wire act ( and one too many bumps on the head!!) or is it...the trapeze artist. NB I could have gone for a low blow and said it was one of the clowns ...but no, I don't believe in cruelty to....!! Cityman23
  • Score: -3

9:17pm Tue 2 Sep 14

Cityman23 says...

paulcircus wrote:
circus mondao is amazing all the animals are well loved and looked after plz go and see and talk to the staff who will answer any questions
How do you know they will answer all questions? Oh yes, you must be the conjuror!
[quote][p][bold]paulcircus[/bold] wrote: circus mondao is amazing all the animals are well loved and looked after plz go and see and talk to the staff who will answer any questions[/p][/quote]How do you know they will answer all questions? Oh yes, you must be the conjuror! Cityman23
  • Score: 0

9:55pm Tue 2 Sep 14

LogicDarkStar says...

Cityman23 wrote:
paulcircus wrote:
circus mondao is amazing all the animals are well loved and looked after plz go and see and talk to the staff who will answer any questions
How do you know they will answer all questions? Oh yes, you must be the conjuror!
The grand irony here is the fact that you make animal rights sound like more of a circus than anything!

You can always tell someone has nothing left of an argument when they resort to cracking wise.
[quote][p][bold]Cityman23[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]paulcircus[/bold] wrote: circus mondao is amazing all the animals are well loved and looked after plz go and see and talk to the staff who will answer any questions[/p][/quote]How do you know they will answer all questions? Oh yes, you must be the conjuror![/p][/quote]The grand irony here is the fact that you make animal rights sound like more of a circus than anything! You can always tell someone has nothing left of an argument when they resort to cracking wise. LogicDarkStar
  • Score: 0

10:04pm Tue 2 Sep 14

Cityman23 says...

It's wise cracking, and what is really most amusing is the fact that you're prepared to do anything, to avoid admitting the obvious, that you and your cronies from the circus have come on this site en masse in an attempt to pull the wool over the eyes of potential spectators at your circus.
It's wise cracking, and what is really most amusing is the fact that you're prepared to do anything, to avoid admitting the obvious, that you and your cronies from the circus have come on this site en masse in an attempt to pull the wool over the eyes of potential spectators at your circus. Cityman23
  • Score: -2

10:56pm Tue 2 Sep 14

Sand Dancer Lass says...

Well i for one are not from the circus ( I've been to see it once ) however i do know animals and i do know when an animal is stressed/unhappy. And to be fair... If the people on here think animals are being abused then why haven't you rang the RSPCA asking for advice instead of sitting on here. As the article says they are checked every few months.

If there was any kind of neglect you will not be able to cover it in a few months. It takes 6 months/years to cover neglect/mistreatment since an animal would be afraid and would be malnourished. Them animals at the Circus are not that! There is no different to them than Team GB's horses going all over the world. They are in transit for hours/days these are in transit for maybes an hour while they are moving since they don't move far away ( last year i seen them advertised to go to Halifax after Thornton, and they were in Leeds before coming here ) so they don't travel for horrendously long periods of time.

Animals going to slaughter travel longer and under worse conditions than these circus animals. Rules have changed alot from when people were kids. As people have said.. Check the animals yourself. They are grazing when they are not working.. If they were mistreated/abused/st
arved they would have tried to escape to find food else where.
Well i for one are not from the circus ( I've been to see it once ) however i do know animals and i do know when an animal is stressed/unhappy. And to be fair... If the people on here think animals are being abused then why haven't you rang the RSPCA asking for advice instead of sitting on here. As the article says they are checked every few months. If there was any kind of neglect you will not be able to cover it in a few months. It takes 6 months/years to cover neglect/mistreatment since an animal would be afraid and would be malnourished. Them animals at the Circus are not that! There is no different to them than Team GB's horses going all over the world. They are in transit for hours/days these are in transit for maybes an hour while they are moving since they don't move far away ( last year i seen them advertised to go to Halifax after Thornton, and they were in Leeds before coming here ) so they don't travel for horrendously long periods of time. Animals going to slaughter travel longer and under worse conditions than these circus animals. Rules have changed alot from when people were kids. As people have said.. Check the animals yourself. They are grazing when they are not working.. If they were mistreated/abused/st arved they would have tried to escape to find food else where. Sand Dancer Lass
  • Score: 4

11:30pm Tue 2 Sep 14

Strong Hammer says...

In regards to the welfare of the animals at the circus I will say there very well looked after I have been there farrier for the past 8 years all there animals have been there for just about as long. They haven't been dying off and been replaced. I have traveled around the country to go and trim there feet even traveled for Bradford to Bolton just to look and see if one of there horses had a abscess bare in mind this was just a mission to see if there was a abscess they where still happy to pay my call out fee not penny pinching waiting till they where somewhere closer or getting someone they don't know or trust to carry out the job. All the animals get plenty of time turned out in the fields where the shows are held and there stables are much the same size as you would find any horse in at a yard. There have been times I've been working on one of the horses and sneaking up behind me is a zebra to pinch my hat or pull on the exess leather on the back of my belt, that's a very frightened porley looked after animal if I've ever seen one I think not. I have visited many places in Bradford where horses and donkeys are kept in appalling states where is everyone jumping on that band wagon of getting things changed for them feet turned right up like Aladdin slippers thin ribs showing never see any bleeding hearts for them.
In regards to the welfare of the animals at the circus I will say there very well looked after I have been there farrier for the past 8 years all there animals have been there for just about as long. They haven't been dying off and been replaced. I have traveled around the country to go and trim there feet even traveled for Bradford to Bolton just to look and see if one of there horses had a abscess bare in mind this was just a mission to see if there was a abscess they where still happy to pay my call out fee not penny pinching waiting till they where somewhere closer or getting someone they don't know or trust to carry out the job. All the animals get plenty of time turned out in the fields where the shows are held and there stables are much the same size as you would find any horse in at a yard. There have been times I've been working on one of the horses and sneaking up behind me is a zebra to pinch my hat or pull on the exess leather on the back of my belt, that's a very frightened porley looked after animal if I've ever seen one I think not. I have visited many places in Bradford where horses and donkeys are kept in appalling states where is everyone jumping on that band wagon of getting things changed for them feet turned right up like Aladdin slippers thin ribs showing never see any bleeding hearts for them. Strong Hammer
  • Score: 5

11:46pm Tue 2 Sep 14

Strong Hammer says...

Cityman23 wrote:
It's wise cracking, and what is really most amusing is the fact that you're prepared to do anything, to avoid admitting the obvious, that you and your cronies from the circus have come on this site en masse in an attempt to pull the wool over the eyes of potential spectators at your circus.
I'm not part of the circus city man I just look after there feet when there in my district does that mean I'm trying to pull the wool over everyone's eyes I work closely with the RSPCA to the point two of there inspectors are clients of mine don't you think that if there where poorly looked after that it wouldn't be my duty to report it at the very least say to my client that there was something niggling at me about them
[quote][p][bold]Cityman23[/bold] wrote: It's wise cracking, and what is really most amusing is the fact that you're prepared to do anything, to avoid admitting the obvious, that you and your cronies from the circus have come on this site en masse in an attempt to pull the wool over the eyes of potential spectators at your circus.[/p][/quote]I'm not part of the circus city man I just look after there feet when there in my district does that mean I'm trying to pull the wool over everyone's eyes I work closely with the RSPCA to the point two of there inspectors are clients of mine don't you think that if there where poorly looked after that it wouldn't be my duty to report it at the very least say to my client that there was something niggling at me about them Strong Hammer
  • Score: 5

12:21am Wed 3 Sep 14

Jos7764 says...

I am certainly not employed by the circus and I have not been to this one. As luck would have it my parents took me regularly when I was a child before all the regulations came in. city man I take it you don't watch Britains Got Talent and vote for the dog acts, or go abroad and have your photo taken with a parrot that has had it's wings clipped. I can only go on the photo printed here but these animals look content and well cared for. They look in much better condition than the camels I recently saw in Tunisia. I wonder what happens to those animals when they are too old to work. Really city man you have no argument just a very blinkered opinion. Are you a councillor by any chance?
I am certainly not employed by the circus and I have not been to this one. As luck would have it my parents took me regularly when I was a child before all the regulations came in. city man I take it you don't watch Britains Got Talent and vote for the dog acts, or go abroad and have your photo taken with a parrot that has had it's wings clipped. I can only go on the photo printed here but these animals look content and well cared for. They look in much better condition than the camels I recently saw in Tunisia. I wonder what happens to those animals when they are too old to work. Really city man you have no argument just a very blinkered opinion. Are you a councillor by any chance? Jos7764
  • Score: 7

12:47am Wed 3 Sep 14

Bobster. says...

CAPSWATCHER2 wrote:
It's a new religion, Against all the facts, Government inquiries, RSPCA reports ,and etc. these people accept Singerism, and the views that they are expected to accept by RSPCA - Animal Defenders, Captive Animals Protection Society , (CAPS) all subdivisions of the Mother Church. One of the main dogmas is " You must never visit an animal circusVery true and well said Thankfully the sensible Brits are going along in their droves to see wonderfully well cared for and loved animals in this great Circus. The misguided "Animal rights activists"left by the roadside and are being ignored .
[quote][p][bold]CAPSWATCHER2[/bold] wrote: It's a new religion, Against all the facts, Government inquiries, RSPCA reports ,and etc. these people accept Singerism, and the views that they are expected to accept by RSPCA - Animal Defenders, Captive Animals Protection Society , (CAPS) all subdivisions of the Mother Church. One of the main dogmas is " You must never visit an animal circusVery true and well said Thankfully the sensible Brits are going along in their droves to see wonderfully well cared for and loved animals in this great Circus. The misguided "Animal rights activists"left by the roadside and are being ignored . Bobster.
  • Score: 4

7:28am Wed 3 Sep 14

johnh1 says...

Jos7764 wrote:
I am certainly not employed by the circus and I have not been to this one. As luck would have it my parents took me regularly when I was a child before all the regulations came in. city man I take it you don't watch Britains Got Talent and vote for the dog acts, or go abroad and have your photo taken with a parrot that has had it's wings clipped. I can only go on the photo printed here but these animals look content and well cared for. They look in much better condition than the camels I recently saw in Tunisia. I wonder what happens to those animals when they are too old to work. Really city man you have no argument just a very blinkered opinion. Are you a councillor by any chance?
How backward are we in Bradford that we want to see animals doing silly tricks. The circuses have a poor reputation for looking after animals as with small zoo's close them down and set the animals free.
[quote][p][bold]Jos7764[/bold] wrote: I am certainly not employed by the circus and I have not been to this one. As luck would have it my parents took me regularly when I was a child before all the regulations came in. city man I take it you don't watch Britains Got Talent and vote for the dog acts, or go abroad and have your photo taken with a parrot that has had it's wings clipped. I can only go on the photo printed here but these animals look content and well cared for. They look in much better condition than the camels I recently saw in Tunisia. I wonder what happens to those animals when they are too old to work. Really city man you have no argument just a very blinkered opinion. Are you a councillor by any chance?[/p][/quote]How backward are we in Bradford that we want to see animals doing silly tricks. The circuses have a poor reputation for looking after animals as with small zoo's close them down and set the animals free. johnh1
  • Score: -1

9:47am Wed 3 Sep 14

unknown1992 says...

disgusting i cant wait for the ban to come in i hope people are protesting outside there gates like i have been outside peter jollys for the past 6 weeks and will be for another few weeks ;)
disgusting i cant wait for the ban to come in i hope people are protesting outside there gates like i have been outside peter jollys for the past 6 weeks and will be for another few weeks ;) unknown1992
  • Score: 0

12:46pm Wed 3 Sep 14

the_watcher86 says...

How can all these comments actually even remotely say that animals should not be used for circus or for our entertainment - what about horse racing, dog racing, fishing, grand national, different pagent shows etc the list could go on.
Point is people only pick and choose what they deem fair to an animal without taking the whole picture into account, these animals are kept as potential pets just like horses and dogs that race. yes they do shows for the public that the owner may profit from. However most of the people who disagree with the circus using animals should also consider their views on the other mentioned animal sports as they are all equal in the grand scheme of things.
For me as long as frequent welfair checks are made and the correct conditions are met then i dont really see a probelm here. Just seems like a few over podantic posters who cant 'think outside the box'
This isnt to mention that most posters probably enjoy eating meat that is literally bread to eat and some kept in the smallest cages possible - hardly comparable to these animals/pets used by the circus.
How can all these comments actually even remotely say that animals should not be used for circus or for our entertainment - what about horse racing, dog racing, fishing, grand national, different pagent shows etc the list could go on. Point is people only pick and choose what they deem fair to an animal without taking the whole picture into account, these animals are kept as potential pets just like horses and dogs that race. yes they do shows for the public that the owner may profit from. However most of the people who disagree with the circus using animals should also consider their views on the other mentioned animal sports as they are all equal in the grand scheme of things. For me as long as frequent welfair checks are made and the correct conditions are met then i dont really see a probelm here. Just seems like a few over podantic posters who cant 'think outside the box' This isnt to mention that most posters probably enjoy eating meat that is literally bread to eat and some kept in the smallest cages possible - hardly comparable to these animals/pets used by the circus. the_watcher86
  • Score: 2

1:12pm Wed 3 Sep 14

unknown1992 says...

paulcircus wrote:
circus mondao is amazing all the animals are well loved and looked after plz go and see and talk to the staff who will answer any questions
no its a terrible circus because they use animals how do you no there looked after and if there anything like peter jollys circus they wont answer any questions and there abusive and make personal threats
[quote][p][bold]paulcircus[/bold] wrote: circus mondao is amazing all the animals are well loved and looked after plz go and see and talk to the staff who will answer any questions[/p][/quote]no its a terrible circus because they use animals how do you no there looked after and if there anything like peter jollys circus they wont answer any questions and there abusive and make personal threats unknown1992
  • Score: -2

4:18pm Wed 3 Sep 14

Robin of Loxley says...

unknown1992 wrote:
paulcircus wrote:
circus mondao is amazing all the animals are well loved and looked after plz go and see and talk to the staff who will answer any questions
no its a terrible circus because they use animals how do you no there looked after and if there anything like peter jollys circus they wont answer any questions and there abusive and make personal threats
Please take a lesson in English grammar.

Thank you.
[quote][p][bold]unknown1992[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]paulcircus[/bold] wrote: circus mondao is amazing all the animals are well loved and looked after plz go and see and talk to the staff who will answer any questions[/p][/quote]no its a terrible circus because they use animals how do you no there looked after and if there anything like peter jollys circus they wont answer any questions and there abusive and make personal threats[/p][/quote]Please take a lesson in English grammar. Thank you. Robin of Loxley
  • Score: 5

9:10pm Wed 3 Sep 14

unknown1992 says...

Robin of Loxley wrote:
unknown1992 wrote:
paulcircus wrote:
circus mondao is amazing all the animals are well loved and looked after plz go and see and talk to the staff who will answer any questions
no its a terrible circus because they use animals how do you no there looked after and if there anything like peter jollys circus they wont answer any questions and there abusive and make personal threats
Please take a lesson in English grammar.

Thank you.
haha okay whatever :L
[quote][p][bold]Robin of Loxley[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]unknown1992[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]paulcircus[/bold] wrote: circus mondao is amazing all the animals are well loved and looked after plz go and see and talk to the staff who will answer any questions[/p][/quote]no its a terrible circus because they use animals how do you no there looked after and if there anything like peter jollys circus they wont answer any questions and there abusive and make personal threats[/p][/quote]Please take a lesson in English grammar. Thank you.[/p][/quote]haha okay whatever :L unknown1992
  • Score: 2

7:54am Thu 4 Sep 14

chris9486 says...

What gets me the most about people saying animals shouldn't be involved in entertainment, is why these very same people are not attending every horse or dog racing event shouting the odds about those. I've never heard of anyone attending dog fighting to protest against that. It always seems that these 'protests' are done in hindsight. Never once at the moment it matters the most, just before it is due to happen. I've witnessed first hand recently the lengths animal activists go to to upset and destroy peoples lives with very little actual fact. And then refusing to apologise in hindsight when they find out the truth. If these animals are kept in cramped conditions...where is the evidence?! I am 100% against animal cruelty. I am 100% against using wild animals in a circus. But I suspsect whole heartedly that these specific animals were bread in captivity.
What gets me the most about people saying animals shouldn't be involved in entertainment, is why these very same people are not attending every horse or dog racing event shouting the odds about those. I've never heard of anyone attending dog fighting to protest against that. It always seems that these 'protests' are done in hindsight. Never once at the moment it matters the most, just before it is due to happen. I've witnessed first hand recently the lengths animal activists go to to upset and destroy peoples lives with very little actual fact. And then refusing to apologise in hindsight when they find out the truth. If these animals are kept in cramped conditions...where is the evidence?! I am 100% against animal cruelty. I am 100% against using wild animals in a circus. But I suspsect whole heartedly that these specific animals were bread in captivity. chris9486
  • Score: -1

8:44am Thu 4 Sep 14

Sand Dancer Lass says...

I actually attended the circus last night..... not one of them animals are stressed they have huge haynets and we even asked questions about them and they were never once met with hostility ever.. all our questions were answered too.

The stables they are kept in is about the size that a normal horse on a livery yard is kept in. They have been put out on grazing during the day.. and as for performance.. All the horses did was lunge.. except they have done it without a lunge lead.. not everyone can actually get a horse to lunge without a lunge lead too.
I personally will be going back i actually really enjoyed it.
I actually attended the circus last night..... not one of them animals are stressed they have huge haynets and we even asked questions about them and they were never once met with hostility ever.. all our questions were answered too. The stables they are kept in is about the size that a normal horse on a livery yard is kept in. They have been put out on grazing during the day.. and as for performance.. All the horses did was lunge.. except they have done it without a lunge lead.. not everyone can actually get a horse to lunge without a lunge lead too. I personally will be going back i actually really enjoyed it. Sand Dancer Lass
  • Score: 1

10:33am Thu 4 Sep 14

unknown1992 says...

chris9486 wrote:
What gets me the most about people saying animals shouldn't be involved in entertainment, is why these very same people are not attending every horse or dog racing event shouting the odds about those. I've never heard of anyone attending dog fighting to protest against that. It always seems that these 'protests' are done in hindsight. Never once at the moment it matters the most, just before it is due to happen. I've witnessed first hand recently the lengths animal activists go to to upset and destroy peoples lives with very little actual fact. And then refusing to apologise in hindsight when they find out the truth. If these animals are kept in cramped conditions...where is the evidence?! I am 100% against animal cruelty. I am 100% against using wild animals in a circus. But I suspsect whole heartedly that these specific animals were bread in captivity.
there is protests outside bellevue greyhound track in manchester ;)
[quote][p][bold]chris9486[/bold] wrote: What gets me the most about people saying animals shouldn't be involved in entertainment, is why these very same people are not attending every horse or dog racing event shouting the odds about those. I've never heard of anyone attending dog fighting to protest against that. It always seems that these 'protests' are done in hindsight. Never once at the moment it matters the most, just before it is due to happen. I've witnessed first hand recently the lengths animal activists go to to upset and destroy peoples lives with very little actual fact. And then refusing to apologise in hindsight when they find out the truth. If these animals are kept in cramped conditions...where is the evidence?! I am 100% against animal cruelty. I am 100% against using wild animals in a circus. But I suspsect whole heartedly that these specific animals were bread in captivity.[/p][/quote]there is protests outside bellevue greyhound track in manchester ;) unknown1992
  • Score: 1

10:36am Thu 4 Sep 14

unknown1992 says...

Sand Dancer Lass wrote:
I actually attended the circus last night..... not one of them animals are stressed they have huge haynets and we even asked questions about them and they were never once met with hostility ever.. all our questions were answered too.

The stables they are kept in is about the size that a normal horse on a livery yard is kept in. They have been put out on grazing during the day.. and as for performance.. All the horses did was lunge.. except they have done it without a lunge lead.. not everyone can actually get a horse to lunge without a lunge lead too.
I personally will be going back i actually really enjoyed it.
how can you tell a animal is stressed just by looking at it for a hour or 2 are you dr dolittle you better go back soon then because animal circuses are getting banned
[quote][p][bold]Sand Dancer Lass[/bold] wrote: I actually attended the circus last night..... not one of them animals are stressed they have huge haynets and we even asked questions about them and they were never once met with hostility ever.. all our questions were answered too. The stables they are kept in is about the size that a normal horse on a livery yard is kept in. They have been put out on grazing during the day.. and as for performance.. All the horses did was lunge.. except they have done it without a lunge lead.. not everyone can actually get a horse to lunge without a lunge lead too. I personally will be going back i actually really enjoyed it.[/p][/quote]how can you tell a animal is stressed just by looking at it for a hour or 2 are you dr dolittle you better go back soon then because animal circuses are getting banned unknown1992
  • Score: 1

10:51am Thu 4 Sep 14

Sand Dancer Lass says...

unknown1992 wrote:
Sand Dancer Lass wrote:
I actually attended the circus last night..... not one of them animals are stressed they have huge haynets and we even asked questions about them and they were never once met with hostility ever.. all our questions were answered too.

The stables they are kept in is about the size that a normal horse on a livery yard is kept in. They have been put out on grazing during the day.. and as for performance.. All the horses did was lunge.. except they have done it without a lunge lead.. not everyone can actually get a horse to lunge without a lunge lead too.
I personally will be going back i actually really enjoyed it.
how can you tell a animal is stressed just by looking at it for a hour or 2 are you dr dolittle you better go back soon then because animal circuses are getting banned
I actually own horses, and i'm also a veterinary nurse too! So yes i can tell if an animal is stressed!
[quote][p][bold]unknown1992[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Sand Dancer Lass[/bold] wrote: I actually attended the circus last night..... not one of them animals are stressed they have huge haynets and we even asked questions about them and they were never once met with hostility ever.. all our questions were answered too. The stables they are kept in is about the size that a normal horse on a livery yard is kept in. They have been put out on grazing during the day.. and as for performance.. All the horses did was lunge.. except they have done it without a lunge lead.. not everyone can actually get a horse to lunge without a lunge lead too. I personally will be going back i actually really enjoyed it.[/p][/quote]how can you tell a animal is stressed just by looking at it for a hour or 2 are you dr dolittle you better go back soon then because animal circuses are getting banned[/p][/quote]I actually own horses, and i'm also a veterinary nurse too! So yes i can tell if an animal is stressed! Sand Dancer Lass
  • Score: 0

11:10am Thu 4 Sep 14

Sand Dancer Lass says...

Also if an animal was unhappy they would show signs of aggression. None of them animals up there do that. Also i was there alot longer than 1-2 hours.. I was there for about 5 hours yesterday. Horses if they get stressed can lose weight and can also Colic. None of them are skinny at all. None of the horses have their ears pinned back or bearing their teeth which is a sign of aggression. Alpacas didn't threaten to spit which along with Camels is what they do should they feel threatened. Reindeers all were happy too.. The only thing i didn't like was actually a child with its parents pulling hay out of the horses haynet and throwing it in the animals faces. I actually went up and told them not to do that as they should respect animals.

As i said.. most of the stuff they did with the horses is the same as any other horse owner does.. Lunging, making them jump over tiny jumps, and actually the Spanish Riding School of Vienna do alot more shows, they train alot longer, travel alot more distances, and no one ever complains about them.

The horses down there were on for about 15 mins of the whole 1 and a half hours of the show. Camels were on for 2 mins.. The Zebra, Reindeers and Alpacas came in the ring walked around it once and were taken back off..
Some of the training that has been used for Dressage is more harsh than having a horse lunge free rein for 15 mins ( bare in mind when you train your own horse you typically lunge for 30 mins 15 mins on each rein the horses did a few mins on each rein. ) It's hardly a welfare issue is it!

As the lady said last night at the circus feel free to ask questions and feel free to look around they have nothing to hide.
Also if an animal was unhappy they would show signs of aggression. None of them animals up there do that. Also i was there alot longer than 1-2 hours.. I was there for about 5 hours yesterday. Horses if they get stressed can lose weight and can also Colic. None of them are skinny at all. None of the horses have their ears pinned back or bearing their teeth which is a sign of aggression. Alpacas didn't threaten to spit which along with Camels is what they do should they feel threatened. Reindeers all were happy too.. The only thing i didn't like was actually a child with its parents pulling hay out of the horses haynet and throwing it in the animals faces. I actually went up and told them not to do that as they should respect animals. As i said.. most of the stuff they did with the horses is the same as any other horse owner does.. Lunging, making them jump over tiny jumps, and actually the Spanish Riding School of Vienna do alot more shows, they train alot longer, travel alot more distances, and no one ever complains about them. The horses down there were on for about 15 mins of the whole 1 and a half hours of the show. Camels were on for 2 mins.. The Zebra, Reindeers and Alpacas came in the ring walked around it once and were taken back off.. Some of the training that has been used for Dressage is more harsh than having a horse lunge free rein for 15 mins ( bare in mind when you train your own horse you typically lunge for 30 mins 15 mins on each rein the horses did a few mins on each rein. ) It's hardly a welfare issue is it! As the lady said last night at the circus feel free to ask questions and feel free to look around they have nothing to hide. Sand Dancer Lass
  • Score: 0

8:30am Mon 8 Sep 14

wigwambam says...

This Is the 21st century, no animal should be made to perform for money. And as some of the usernames on here are obviously with the circus stop your barbaric practices. I grew up going to the circus like most people did but that doesn't mean as an adult that I should agree with it. When I was a child animals in zoos where kept in poor conditions, but the owners have had to put the animals welfare first and provide a more natural environment. There is no justification for this circus. And if the circus was so good why do councils not allow to use their land
This Is the 21st century, no animal should be made to perform for money. And as some of the usernames on here are obviously with the circus stop your barbaric practices. I grew up going to the circus like most people did but that doesn't mean as an adult that I should agree with it. When I was a child animals in zoos where kept in poor conditions, but the owners have had to put the animals welfare first and provide a more natural environment. There is no justification for this circus. And if the circus was so good why do councils not allow to use their land wigwambam
  • Score: 0

6:51am Tue 9 Sep 14

Big Bad Honey Badger says...

"But the circus' inclusion of animals has been met with criticism by a city animal rights group, which claims the animals are "kept in cramped living quarters", a view denied by circus chiefs"

What's the difference between the animals and the humans in the city?

We work hard, we earn less than the living wage, we get most of that taken from us and are left with not much left and therefore have to eat crap and live in cramped living quarters.
"But the circus' inclusion of animals has been met with criticism by a city animal rights group, which claims the animals are "kept in cramped living quarters", a view denied by circus chiefs" What's the difference between the animals and the humans in the city? We work hard, we earn less than the living wage, we get most of that taken from us and are left with not much left and therefore have to eat crap and live in cramped living quarters. Big Bad Honey Badger
  • Score: 0

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