West Yorkshire Police treated some rape and violence offences as non-crimes, damning inspection report finds

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SOME cases of rape and violence were not classified as crimes by West Yorkshire Police, a damning report has found.

Among criticisms in the report by Her Majesty's Inspectorate of Constabulary are that some officers see it as acceptable to class incidents as "non-crimes" to avoid extra work, that possible cases of sexual offences are not recognised as crimes, and that too many crimes are being dealt with out of court.

HMIC's "Crime Data Integrity" report into the West Yorkshire force looked at crime records from November 2012 to October 2013 with inspectors analysing small samples of reported offences.

Inspectors looked at 260 incident records and decided that of these, 221 should have been classed as crimes. However, the force had only recorded 150 as crimes.

On rape offences the report says: "Of the 35 no-crime records we examined, 23 met the requirement of the Home Office Counting Rules. This is unacceptable."

Elsewhere, inspectors say there was a "high error rate" in how crimes of robbery and violence were recorded.

The inspectors also looked at 108 reports referred to police through other agencies, such as child protection.

They state: "Of the 27 crimes that should have been recorded, three have been. As some of these records relate to sexual offences and assaults on vulnerable adults and children, this is a serious cause for concern and is a matter of urgent importance."

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It reveals that in many cases officers have to be authorised by a more senior officer to record an incident as a crime, a policy HMIC warns: "Should stop immediately."

Referring to out of court responses, like cautions and cannabis warnings, the report says: "It is evident from our inspection that out of court disposals are being used too often when the offender is not suitable, and in respect of cautions and penalty notices for disorder, without due consideration to the views of the victim."

The inspectors add: "The presence of alcohol or mental health issues with the victim, the victim's refusal to support a prosecution and Crown Prosecution Service charging standards being used to influence crime recording decisions were all found to be inappropriately affecting crime recording accuracy.

"Non-adherence to HOCR is considered to be acceptable by some officers in circumstances where it is perceived that there is too much work or insufficient members of staff to deal with the crime."

It makes several recommendations, including that the force uses an "ethical approach" when deciding what to class as a crime, rather than basing decisions on performance concerns.

A spokesman for West Yorkshire Police and Crime Commissioner Mark Burns-Williamson said some of the findings in the report were "clearly a cause for concern".

“The PCC needs to be assured that crimes are being recorded, categorised correctly and that a reduction in crime is truly a reduction and is not down to recording practices," she said.

"This is why the refreshed Police and Crime Plan includes data integrity as a priority. He will be meeting with the Deputy Chief Constable next week to get an early view on the immediate and longer term action they will take to address the recommendations contained in the report.”

MPs in the district also spoke of their unease at the report's findings.

Shipley Conservative MP Philip Davies said: "One of the things that concerns me most is that out of court disposals are being used when they are not suitable. It appears decisions are taken without the view of the victim."

Bradford East Liberal Democrat MP David Ward said: "This raises some really big questions about what we are told by the police regarding reductions in crime."

West Yorkshire Temporary Deputy Chief Constable John Robins said: "It is essential that the public of West Yorkshire feel reassured that their crime is recorded accurately and that it is properly investigated.

“Many of the recommendations relate to issues we had already identified and acted upon as part of our commitment to achieve the highest standards of crime and incident data quality.

“Since the audit, we have carried out a great deal of work and invested resources in this area, to get things right first time.

“We recognise that improvements still need to be made in some areas and we are determined to ensure the quality of our data is of the highest standard.

“There is no doubt that for the tenth year in a row, crime has fallen across West Yorkshire.”

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6:11am Fri 29 Aug 14

micela22 says...

`cause for concern` that meeting targets is more important than doing what they`re paid to do
`cause for concern` that meeting targets is more important than doing what they`re paid to do micela22
  • Score: 39

6:28am Fri 29 Aug 14

June Oh says...

How do we compare with South Yorkshire Police?
How do we compare with South Yorkshire Police? June Oh
  • Score: 23

6:53am Fri 29 Aug 14

Albion. says...

It would appear that a good shake-up is needed. They are also under-staffed (and it shows), but then, aren't other better performing forces? They are also inconsistent, there are some very professional officers and some who seem more akin to the people they should be chasing.
It would appear that a good shake-up is needed. They are also under-staffed (and it shows), but then, aren't other better performing forces? They are also inconsistent, there are some very professional officers and some who seem more akin to the people they should be chasing. Albion.
  • Score: 31

7:06am Fri 29 Aug 14

Mike Strutter says...

Keep chipping away at the surface ;-)
Keep chipping away at the surface ;-) Mike Strutter
  • Score: 6

8:30am Fri 29 Aug 14

llos25 says...

Bradford police force is at best useless empty promises thats all we get recently it was we will clean up the city centre nothing has changed ,we will rid the streets of illegal bikes nothing has changed.I agree with Albion too few at the coal face but there are other reasons and those in high places know what they are.
Bradford police force is at best useless empty promises thats all we get recently it was we will clean up the city centre nothing has changed ,we will rid the streets of illegal bikes nothing has changed.I agree with Albion too few at the coal face but there are other reasons and those in high places know what they are. llos25
  • Score: 28

10:21am Fri 29 Aug 14

tyker7745 says...

I was told of grooming in 1976 by a teacher at a now closed grammar school near VP. I bet it's still going on in Bradford but how many charges so far.

Police are scared of the race card
I was told of grooming in 1976 by a teacher at a now closed grammar school near VP. I bet it's still going on in Bradford but how many charges so far. Police are scared of the race card tyker7745
  • Score: 24

11:07am Fri 29 Aug 14

BCFC1911 says...

tyker7745 wrote:
I was told of grooming in 1976 by a teacher at a now closed grammar school near VP. I bet it's still going on in Bradford but how many charges so far.

Police are scared of the race card
As was recently shown in Rotherham.

Them sick scum pedo's even trafficked the girls to Bradford to be abused by their pedo friends and cousins.

As far as I'm concerned the whole lot of them should be hanged and anyone involved in the police or Social services who swept this under the carpet should face prison time
[quote][p][bold]tyker7745[/bold] wrote: I was told of grooming in 1976 by a teacher at a now closed grammar school near VP. I bet it's still going on in Bradford but how many charges so far. Police are scared of the race card[/p][/quote]As was recently shown in Rotherham. Them sick scum pedo's even trafficked the girls to Bradford to be abused by their pedo friends and cousins. As far as I'm concerned the whole lot of them should be hanged and anyone involved in the police or Social services who swept this under the carpet should face prison time BCFC1911
  • Score: 18

11:53am Fri 29 Aug 14

vbfg says...

June Oh wrote:
How do we compare with South Yorkshire Police?
Both offer all the support a rapist needs.
[quote][p][bold]June Oh[/bold] wrote: How do we compare with South Yorkshire Police?[/p][/quote]Both offer all the support a rapist needs. vbfg
  • Score: 17

11:58am Fri 29 Aug 14

vbfg says...

> As was recently shown in Rotherham.

What was shown in Rotherham in the report that brought this to your attention was the massive indifference towards the reports of these girls and their families and the consequent failure to spot a pattern. At no point does the report say a desire not to appear racist had anything at all to do with it. They were just so incompetent that they didn't even know.

We should definitely crow bar our own facts into these rape victims lives so we can solve something that had fcuk all to do with it. That way their suffering will not have been in vain because your personal prejudices will have had their daily exercise.
> As was recently shown in Rotherham. What was shown in Rotherham in the report that brought this to your attention was the massive indifference towards the reports of these girls and their families and the consequent failure to spot a pattern. At no point does the report say a desire not to appear racist had anything at all to do with it. They were just so incompetent that they didn't even know. We should definitely crow bar our own facts into these rape victims lives so we can solve something that had fcuk all to do with it. That way their suffering will not have been in vain because your personal prejudices will have had their daily exercise. vbfg
  • Score: -3

12:01pm Fri 29 Aug 14

Jagtar Sahota says...

The Police should not be treated above law. If a police person is not doing the job properly, they should be disciplined. It is clear to every one now that police did nothing to stop grooming in many cities , hence the rise in support of BNP and deteriorating of race relations in Bradford as well. Police used the excuse of being called racists. They should know the law better. Under the Race Relations Act 1976, black racism is as bad as white racism, I brought this issue to every one's attention through Telegraph & Argus when Jack Straw, home minster at that time, came to Bradford.

Jagtar Sahota
The Police should not be treated above law. If a police person is not doing the job properly, they should be disciplined. It is clear to every one now that police did nothing to stop grooming in many cities , hence the rise in support of BNP and deteriorating of race relations in Bradford as well. Police used the excuse of being called racists. They should know the law better. Under the Race Relations Act 1976, black racism is as bad as white racism, I brought this issue to every one's attention through Telegraph & Argus when Jack Straw, home minster at that time, came to Bradford. Jagtar Sahota Jagtar Sahota
  • Score: 13

12:21pm Fri 29 Aug 14

BCFC1911 says...

vbfg wrote:
> As was recently shown in Rotherham.

What was shown in Rotherham in the report that brought this to your attention was the massive indifference towards the reports of these girls and their families and the consequent failure to spot a pattern. At no point does the report say a desire not to appear racist had anything at all to do with it. They were just so incompetent that they didn't even know.

We should definitely crow bar our own facts into these rape victims lives so we can solve something that had fcuk all to do with it. That way their suffering will not have been in vain because your personal prejudices will have had their daily exercise.
wtf are you talking about?

What happened in Rotherham was basically a bunch of sick pedo's of Pakistani origan grooming then molesting children once again

Coupled that with the fact I have read numerous reports of these being reported to the authorities and them not taking action as to not wanting to appear racist.

Lets face facts here. There is an ongoing problem in the Pakistani community that appears to think because young white girls are "fair game" and "sl4gs" then Pakistani men can abuse them. Tell me I'm wrong.
[quote][p][bold]vbfg[/bold] wrote: > As was recently shown in Rotherham. What was shown in Rotherham in the report that brought this to your attention was the massive indifference towards the reports of these girls and their families and the consequent failure to spot a pattern. At no point does the report say a desire not to appear racist had anything at all to do with it. They were just so incompetent that they didn't even know. We should definitely crow bar our own facts into these rape victims lives so we can solve something that had fcuk all to do with it. That way their suffering will not have been in vain because your personal prejudices will have had their daily exercise.[/p][/quote]wtf are you talking about? What happened in Rotherham was basically a bunch of sick pedo's of Pakistani origan grooming then molesting children once again Coupled that with the fact I have read numerous reports of these being reported to the authorities and them not taking action as to not wanting to appear racist. Lets face facts here. There is an ongoing problem in the Pakistani community that appears to think because young white girls are "fair game" and "sl4gs" then Pakistani men can abuse them. Tell me I'm wrong. BCFC1911
  • Score: 20

12:28pm Fri 29 Aug 14

999 number of the beast says...

micela22 wrote:
`cause for concern` that meeting targets is more important than doing what they`re paid to do
Unfortunately Commissioner Burns-Williamson is more concerned protecting migrant sex trafficked victims then indigenous sex victims.
The targets are set by whichever administration is in power and the senior staff will do whatever so they get their undeserved knighthoods.
Remember folks law and order is a confidence trick which the average Brit abides by.
My solution as always one merged force encompassing the North West and all the Yorkshire divisions, Great Northern Police with its headquarters in Salford.
[quote][p][bold]micela22[/bold] wrote: `cause for concern` that meeting targets is more important than doing what they`re paid to do[/p][/quote]Unfortunately Commissioner Burns-Williamson is more concerned protecting migrant sex trafficked victims then indigenous sex victims. The targets are set by whichever administration is in power and the senior staff will do whatever so they get their undeserved knighthoods. Remember folks law and order is a confidence trick which the average Brit abides by. My solution as always one merged force encompassing the North West and all the Yorkshire divisions, Great Northern Police with its headquarters in Salford. 999 number of the beast
  • Score: -1

12:29pm Fri 29 Aug 14

hortonite says...

At last a league table Bradford stands a chance of being at the top
At last a league table Bradford stands a chance of being at the top hortonite
  • Score: 12

12:30pm Fri 29 Aug 14

vbfg says...

BCFC1911 wrote:
vbfg wrote:
> As was recently shown in Rotherham.

What was shown in Rotherham in the report that brought this to your attention was the massive indifference towards the reports of these girls and their families and the consequent failure to spot a pattern. At no point does the report say a desire not to appear racist had anything at all to do with it. They were just so incompetent that they didn't even know.

We should definitely crow bar our own facts into these rape victims lives so we can solve something that had fcuk all to do with it. That way their suffering will not have been in vain because your personal prejudices will have had their daily exercise.
wtf are you talking about?

What happened in Rotherham was basically a bunch of sick pedo's of Pakistani origan grooming then molesting children once again

Coupled that with the fact I have read numerous reports of these being reported to the authorities and them not taking action as to not wanting to appear racist.

Lets face facts here. There is an ongoing problem in the Pakistani community that appears to think because young white girls are "fair game" and "sl4gs" then Pakistani men can abuse them. Tell me I'm wrong.
I'm talking about the report, as is clear from the words I used and the order in which I used them.
[quote][p][bold]BCFC1911[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]vbfg[/bold] wrote: > As was recently shown in Rotherham. What was shown in Rotherham in the report that brought this to your attention was the massive indifference towards the reports of these girls and their families and the consequent failure to spot a pattern. At no point does the report say a desire not to appear racist had anything at all to do with it. They were just so incompetent that they didn't even know. We should definitely crow bar our own facts into these rape victims lives so we can solve something that had fcuk all to do with it. That way their suffering will not have been in vain because your personal prejudices will have had their daily exercise.[/p][/quote]wtf are you talking about? What happened in Rotherham was basically a bunch of sick pedo's of Pakistani origan grooming then molesting children once again Coupled that with the fact I have read numerous reports of these being reported to the authorities and them not taking action as to not wanting to appear racist. Lets face facts here. There is an ongoing problem in the Pakistani community that appears to think because young white girls are "fair game" and "sl4gs" then Pakistani men can abuse them. Tell me I'm wrong.[/p][/quote]I'm talking about the report, as is clear from the words I used and the order in which I used them. vbfg
  • Score: -11

12:37pm Fri 29 Aug 14

cheeky1 says...

Taking away a childhood in this way should be given the most servere sentence! A crime is a crime! Black or white!
Taking away a childhood in this way should be given the most servere sentence! A crime is a crime! Black or white! cheeky1
  • Score: 21

12:38pm Fri 29 Aug 14

BCFC1911 says...

vbfg wrote:
BCFC1911 wrote:
vbfg wrote:
> As was recently shown in Rotherham.

What was shown in Rotherham in the report that brought this to your attention was the massive indifference towards the reports of these girls and their families and the consequent failure to spot a pattern. At no point does the report say a desire not to appear racist had anything at all to do with it. They were just so incompetent that they didn't even know.

We should definitely crow bar our own facts into these rape victims lives so we can solve something that had fcuk all to do with it. That way their suffering will not have been in vain because your personal prejudices will have had their daily exercise.
wtf are you talking about?

What happened in Rotherham was basically a bunch of sick pedo's of Pakistani origan grooming then molesting children once again

Coupled that with the fact I have read numerous reports of these being reported to the authorities and them not taking action as to not wanting to appear racist.

Lets face facts here. There is an ongoing problem in the Pakistani community that appears to think because young white girls are "fair game" and "sl4gs" then Pakistani men can abuse them. Tell me I'm wrong.
I'm talking about the report, as is clear from the words I used and the order in which I used them.
So your saying that all the reported "facts" about the abuse these children suffered at the hands of this Pakistani Pedo gang was all made up?
[quote][p][bold]vbfg[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]BCFC1911[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]vbfg[/bold] wrote: > As was recently shown in Rotherham. What was shown in Rotherham in the report that brought this to your attention was the massive indifference towards the reports of these girls and their families and the consequent failure to spot a pattern. At no point does the report say a desire not to appear racist had anything at all to do with it. They were just so incompetent that they didn't even know. We should definitely crow bar our own facts into these rape victims lives so we can solve something that had fcuk all to do with it. That way their suffering will not have been in vain because your personal prejudices will have had their daily exercise.[/p][/quote]wtf are you talking about? What happened in Rotherham was basically a bunch of sick pedo's of Pakistani origan grooming then molesting children once again Coupled that with the fact I have read numerous reports of these being reported to the authorities and them not taking action as to not wanting to appear racist. Lets face facts here. There is an ongoing problem in the Pakistani community that appears to think because young white girls are "fair game" and "sl4gs" then Pakistani men can abuse them. Tell me I'm wrong.[/p][/quote]I'm talking about the report, as is clear from the words I used and the order in which I used them.[/p][/quote]So your saying that all the reported "facts" about the abuse these children suffered at the hands of this Pakistani Pedo gang was all made up? BCFC1911
  • Score: -9

12:41pm Fri 29 Aug 14

Robin of Loxley says...

Davies *again*....
Davies *again*.... Robin of Loxley
  • Score: 6

12:51pm Fri 29 Aug 14

Not so simple says...

I can say from experience that West Yorkshire Police is more bothered about looking good and meeting targets as well as making life easier for Officers rather than log crimes/incidents or pursue the offenders to court.

I worked with a chap who basically ripped his company and staff off by not paying and having a habit of setting a company up and then just closing it down as and when he had made some money for himself regardless of the cost to employees or customers.

I challenged this chap to settle the monies that were due to me. All I got was the typical Bradford gangster/thug approach from this wannabe. He and his stone head mates would ring and harass me and then one day turned up to my door effig and blinding away trying to provoke a fight. This was witnessed by the entire street and was evidenced by cameras.
I reported this incident to the boys in blue and after 24hours plus they sent a young inexpreinced officer down to see me. He did not want to speak to witnesses or look at any camera footage. He made no notes of what was said and just advised that from his policing experience he would suggest that I take this no further as police visits and inquiries to the offenders would further escalate matters. He didn't not give a **** wether I had been wronged, could not give a monkeys that the peace had been disturbed and I and others had been disturbed and threatened.

Since that day I have known of other people who have had similar experiences of the police and it don't half annoy you that they pick and choose when and if to record a crime depending on how much effort or trouble the police have to go to.

What a joke they have become. They are nothing more then thug tax collectors for the government. Shame that's the state as I have pals in the police force who genuinely go out of the way to help
But most of the new ones don't give a **** and are only bothered about skiving their way to retirement.
I can say from experience that West Yorkshire Police is more bothered about looking good and meeting targets as well as making life easier for Officers rather than log crimes/incidents or pursue the offenders to court. I worked with a chap who basically ripped his company and staff off by not paying and having a habit of setting a company up and then just closing it down as and when he had made some money for himself regardless of the cost to employees or customers. I challenged this chap to settle the monies that were due to me. All I got was the typical Bradford gangster/thug approach from this wannabe. He and his stone head mates would ring and harass me and then one day turned up to my door effig and blinding away trying to provoke a fight. This was witnessed by the entire street and was evidenced by cameras. I reported this incident to the boys in blue and after 24hours plus they sent a young inexpreinced officer down to see me. He did not want to speak to witnesses or look at any camera footage. He made no notes of what was said and just advised that from his policing experience he would suggest that I take this no further as police visits and inquiries to the offenders would further escalate matters. He didn't not give a **** wether I had been wronged, could not give a monkeys that the peace had been disturbed and I and others had been disturbed and threatened. Since that day I have known of other people who have had similar experiences of the police and it don't half annoy you that they pick and choose when and if to record a crime depending on how much effort or trouble the police have to go to. What a joke they have become. They are nothing more then thug tax collectors for the government. Shame that's the state as I have pals in the police force who genuinely go out of the way to help But most of the new ones don't give a **** and are only bothered about skiving their way to retirement. Not so simple
  • Score: 30

12:54pm Fri 29 Aug 14

Robin of Loxley says...

^^^

Cool story, bro.
^^^ Cool story, bro. Robin of Loxley
  • Score: -19

2:00pm Fri 29 Aug 14

BCFC1911 says...

Robin of Loxley wrote:
^^^

Cool story, bro.
See you have been busy manipulating the votes.

Whats the point "bro"

Everyone knows you do
[quote][p][bold]Robin of Loxley[/bold] wrote: ^^^ Cool story, bro.[/p][/quote]See you have been busy manipulating the votes. Whats the point "bro" Everyone knows you do BCFC1911
  • Score: 27

2:01pm Fri 29 Aug 14

Pounce says...

Just wondering if some of these so called non crimes involved persons of a certain Asian background?
Just wondering if some of these so called non crimes involved persons of a certain Asian background? Pounce
  • Score: 22

2:06pm Fri 29 Aug 14

johnh1 says...

llos25 wrote:
Bradford police force is at best useless empty promises thats all we get recently it was we will clean up the city centre nothing has changed ,we will rid the streets of illegal bikes nothing has changed.I agree with Albion too few at the coal face but there are other reasons and those in high places know what they are.
They took 50 quad Bikes off the streets last week give them a break
[quote][p][bold]llos25[/bold] wrote: Bradford police force is at best useless empty promises thats all we get recently it was we will clean up the city centre nothing has changed ,we will rid the streets of illegal bikes nothing has changed.I agree with Albion too few at the coal face but there are other reasons and those in high places know what they are.[/p][/quote]They took 50 quad Bikes off the streets last week give them a break johnh1
  • Score: 14

2:06pm Fri 29 Aug 14

johnh1 says...

llos25 wrote:
Bradford police force is at best useless empty promises thats all we get recently it was we will clean up the city centre nothing has changed ,we will rid the streets of illegal bikes nothing has changed.I agree with Albion too few at the coal face but there are other reasons and those in high places know what they are.
They took 50 quad Bikes off the streets last week give them a break
[quote][p][bold]llos25[/bold] wrote: Bradford police force is at best useless empty promises thats all we get recently it was we will clean up the city centre nothing has changed ,we will rid the streets of illegal bikes nothing has changed.I agree with Albion too few at the coal face but there are other reasons and those in high places know what they are.[/p][/quote]They took 50 quad Bikes off the streets last week give them a break johnh1
  • Score: 11

2:26pm Fri 29 Aug 14

999 number of the beast says...

johnh1 wrote:
llos25 wrote:
Bradford police force is at best useless empty promises thats all we get recently it was we will clean up the city centre nothing has changed ,we will rid the streets of illegal bikes nothing has changed.I agree with Albion too few at the coal face but there are other reasons and those in high places know what they are.
They took 50 quad Bikes off the streets last week give them a break
Something that people have been complaining about years. Basically a political motivated exercise to divert from this damning report today.
What's happened to the IPCC report over the Clayton shooting? Yes when it comes to investigating the police it takes for ever doesn't it.
[quote][p][bold]johnh1[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]llos25[/bold] wrote: Bradford police force is at best useless empty promises thats all we get recently it was we will clean up the city centre nothing has changed ,we will rid the streets of illegal bikes nothing has changed.I agree with Albion too few at the coal face but there are other reasons and those in high places know what they are.[/p][/quote]They took 50 quad Bikes off the streets last week give them a break[/p][/quote]Something that people have been complaining about years. Basically a political motivated exercise to divert from this damning report today. What's happened to the IPCC report over the Clayton shooting? Yes when it comes to investigating the police it takes for ever doesn't it. 999 number of the beast
  • Score: 10

2:51pm Fri 29 Aug 14

awasteoftime says...

Pounce wrote:
Just wondering if some of these so called non crimes involved persons of a certain Asian background?
I was told recently by a retired Police Officer that THEY the Police were instructed by the HOME OFFICE NOT to pursue the Asian culprits as it could cause trouble in the community !!!
Now what sort of justice is that I ask ?. Anyone else would have been banned to rights but the Ethnic's seems as though they are fireproof. What is it that we are scared of, we allow them to do what they wish it seems no wonder this soft country has so many problems.
It is time we got tough on all these issues now.
[quote][p][bold]Pounce[/bold] wrote: Just wondering if some of these so called non crimes involved persons of a certain Asian background?[/p][/quote]I was told recently by a retired Police Officer that THEY the Police were instructed by the HOME OFFICE NOT to pursue the Asian culprits as it could cause trouble in the community !!! Now what sort of justice is that I ask ?. Anyone else would have been banned to rights but the Ethnic's seems as though they are fireproof. What is it that we are scared of, we allow them to do what they wish it seems no wonder this soft country has so many problems. It is time we got tough on all these issues now. awasteoftime
  • Score: 11

2:55pm Fri 29 Aug 14

llos25 says...

johnh1 wrote:
llos25 wrote:
Bradford police force is at best useless empty promises thats all we get recently it was we will clean up the city centre nothing has changed ,we will rid the streets of illegal bikes nothing has changed.I agree with Albion too few at the coal face but there are other reasons and those in high places know what they are.
They took 50 quad Bikes off the streets last week give them a break
No they did not get your facts correct before you put pen to paper usage of,illegal motorbikes throughout Bradford is just the same as before and the police will not arrest the culprits because they have neither the man power nor the will.
[quote][p][bold]johnh1[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]llos25[/bold] wrote: Bradford police force is at best useless empty promises thats all we get recently it was we will clean up the city centre nothing has changed ,we will rid the streets of illegal bikes nothing has changed.I agree with Albion too few at the coal face but there are other reasons and those in high places know what they are.[/p][/quote]They took 50 quad Bikes off the streets last week give them a break[/p][/quote]No they did not get your facts correct before you put pen to paper usage of,illegal motorbikes throughout Bradford is just the same as before and the police will not arrest the culprits because they have neither the man power nor the will. llos25
  • Score: -1

4:05pm Fri 29 Aug 14

Yorkshire Lass says...

It's all been said before many times, because the people in power think that the public are stupid. "Crime's down" they keep telling us but who pays the cost. Normally the victims' who are powerless.
It's all been said before many times, because the people in power think that the public are stupid. "Crime's down" they keep telling us but who pays the cost. Normally the victims' who are powerless. Yorkshire Lass
  • Score: 11

4:26pm Fri 29 Aug 14

999 number of the beast says...

Anybody who wants to make a complaint against the police service they received or didn't. The website is www.ipcc.gov.uk. You will get details on what you can complain and how to go about it but you must write because if you use their on-line form they don't actually acknowledge it. They will pass the complaint onto the respective Bradford DPS. If you appeal it will be the address below who deal with it. Exercise will be futile but if you don't complain no will one know.
The address is :-
West Yorkshire Police
Discipline and Complaints
PO Box 9
Wakefield
West Yorkshire
WF1 3QP
Anybody who wants to make a complaint against the police service they received or didn't. The website is www.ipcc.gov.uk. You will get details on what you can complain and how to go about it but you must write because if you use their on-line form they don't actually acknowledge it. They will pass the complaint onto the respective Bradford DPS. If you appeal it will be the address below who deal with it. Exercise will be futile but if you don't complain no will one know. The address is :- West Yorkshire Police Discipline and Complaints PO Box 9 Wakefield West Yorkshire WF1 3QP 999 number of the beast
  • Score: -13

5:12pm Fri 29 Aug 14

SinnerSaint says...

It should be noted that, quite rightly, the BBC have stopped referring to these animals as "Asian men" and started referring to them as "men of Pakistani heritage" in their articles due to the high number of complaints by other members of the Asian community.

This alone is a step in the right direction. Perhaps the fear of offending these ridiculously easily offended people is diminishing....
It should be noted that, quite rightly, the BBC have stopped referring to these animals as "Asian men" and started referring to them as "men of Pakistani heritage" in their articles due to the high number of complaints by other members of the Asian community. This alone is a step in the right direction. Perhaps the fear of offending these ridiculously easily offended people is diminishing.... SinnerSaint
  • Score: 40

7:38pm Fri 29 Aug 14

Robin of Loxley says...

SinnerSaint wrote:
It should be noted that, quite rightly, the BBC have stopped referring to these animals as "Asian men" and started referring to them as "men of Pakistani heritage" in their articles due to the high number of complaints by other members of the Asian community.

This alone is a step in the right direction. Perhaps the fear of offending these ridiculously easily offended people is diminishing....
Pakistanis are Asian.

And I think we all know who's been doing the complaining...

...the likes of the vile BNP/EDL scum.
[quote][p][bold]SinnerSaint[/bold] wrote: It should be noted that, quite rightly, the BBC have stopped referring to these animals as "Asian men" and started referring to them as "men of Pakistani heritage" in their articles due to the high number of complaints by other members of the Asian community. This alone is a step in the right direction. Perhaps the fear of offending these ridiculously easily offended people is diminishing....[/p][/quote]Pakistanis are Asian. And I think we all know who's been doing the complaining... ...the likes of the vile BNP/EDL scum. Robin of Loxley
  • Score: -128

8:00pm Fri 29 Aug 14

SinnerSaint says...

Robin of Loxley wrote:
SinnerSaint wrote:
It should be noted that, quite rightly, the BBC have stopped referring to these animals as "Asian men" and started referring to them as "men of Pakistani heritage" in their articles due to the high number of complaints by other members of the Asian community.

This alone is a step in the right direction. Perhaps the fear of offending these ridiculously easily offended people is diminishing....
Pakistanis are Asian.

And I think we all know who's been doing the complaining...

...the likes of the vile BNP/EDL scum.
Yup, it's convenient for you for all Asians to be lumped in together and for it not to be identified as a Pakistani issue - I understand that. Problem is that the Indians don't want to be associated with the deviance within the UK male Pakistani community.

Looks like someone's offended *rolls eyes*
[quote][p][bold]Robin of Loxley[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]SinnerSaint[/bold] wrote: It should be noted that, quite rightly, the BBC have stopped referring to these animals as "Asian men" and started referring to them as "men of Pakistani heritage" in their articles due to the high number of complaints by other members of the Asian community. This alone is a step in the right direction. Perhaps the fear of offending these ridiculously easily offended people is diminishing....[/p][/quote]Pakistanis are Asian. And I think we all know who's been doing the complaining... ...the likes of the vile BNP/EDL scum.[/p][/quote]Yup, it's convenient for you for all Asians to be lumped in together and for it not to be identified as a Pakistani issue - I understand that. Problem is that the Indians don't want to be associated with the deviance within the UK male Pakistani community. Looks like someone's offended *rolls eyes* SinnerSaint
  • Score: 31

10:02pm Fri 29 Aug 14

lazybeat says...

The overall issue is the policing. black, white, it makes no difference this crime should not have been ignored. It should have been dealt with zero tolerance. There is no point blaming a backlash on race relations, when something is wrong (illegal), it must be dealt with. The entire police force should be held accountable for this.
The overall issue is the policing. black, white, it makes no difference this crime should not have been ignored. It should have been dealt with zero tolerance. There is no point blaming a backlash on race relations, when something is wrong (illegal), it must be dealt with. The entire police force should be held accountable for this. lazybeat
  • Score: 4

10:15pm Fri 29 Aug 14

Robin of Loxley says...

SinnerSaint wrote:
Robin of Loxley wrote:
SinnerSaint wrote:
It should be noted that, quite rightly, the BBC have stopped referring to these animals as "Asian men" and started referring to them as "men of Pakistani heritage" in their articles due to the high number of complaints by other members of the Asian community.

This alone is a step in the right direction. Perhaps the fear of offending these ridiculously easily offended people is diminishing....
Pakistanis are Asian.

And I think we all know who's been doing the complaining...

...the likes of the vile BNP/EDL scum.
Yup, it's convenient for you for all Asians to be lumped in together and for it not to be identified as a Pakistani issue - I understand that. Problem is that the Indians don't want to be associated with the deviance within the UK male Pakistani community.

Looks like someone's offended *rolls eyes*
The problem also is, *innocent* Pakistanis don't want to be associated with them either.
[quote][p][bold]SinnerSaint[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Robin of Loxley[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]SinnerSaint[/bold] wrote: It should be noted that, quite rightly, the BBC have stopped referring to these animals as "Asian men" and started referring to them as "men of Pakistani heritage" in their articles due to the high number of complaints by other members of the Asian community. This alone is a step in the right direction. Perhaps the fear of offending these ridiculously easily offended people is diminishing....[/p][/quote]Pakistanis are Asian. And I think we all know who's been doing the complaining... ...the likes of the vile BNP/EDL scum.[/p][/quote]Yup, it's convenient for you for all Asians to be lumped in together and for it not to be identified as a Pakistani issue - I understand that. Problem is that the Indians don't want to be associated with the deviance within the UK male Pakistani community. Looks like someone's offended *rolls eyes*[/p][/quote]The problem also is, *innocent* Pakistanis don't want to be associated with them either. Robin of Loxley
  • Score: -42

10:20pm Fri 29 Aug 14

SinnerSaint says...

Robin of Loxley wrote:
SinnerSaint wrote:
Robin of Loxley wrote:
SinnerSaint wrote:
It should be noted that, quite rightly, the BBC have stopped referring to these animals as "Asian men" and started referring to them as "men of Pakistani heritage" in their articles due to the high number of complaints by other members of the Asian community.

This alone is a step in the right direction. Perhaps the fear of offending these ridiculously easily offended people is diminishing....
Pakistanis are Asian.

And I think we all know who's been doing the complaining...

...the likes of the vile BNP/EDL scum.
Yup, it's convenient for you for all Asians to be lumped in together and for it not to be identified as a Pakistani issue - I understand that. Problem is that the Indians don't want to be associated with the deviance within the UK male Pakistani community.

Looks like someone's offended *rolls eyes*
The problem also is, *innocent* Pakistanis don't want to be associated with them either.
True. But it IS a Pakistani problem, isn't it? There is no denying it.

You live in a sexually repressed bubble, force young men to marry their cousins, teach them that women who don't cover their entire bodies are whores and not worthy of respect, and what is the result?
[quote][p][bold]Robin of Loxley[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]SinnerSaint[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Robin of Loxley[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]SinnerSaint[/bold] wrote: It should be noted that, quite rightly, the BBC have stopped referring to these animals as "Asian men" and started referring to them as "men of Pakistani heritage" in their articles due to the high number of complaints by other members of the Asian community. This alone is a step in the right direction. Perhaps the fear of offending these ridiculously easily offended people is diminishing....[/p][/quote]Pakistanis are Asian. And I think we all know who's been doing the complaining... ...the likes of the vile BNP/EDL scum.[/p][/quote]Yup, it's convenient for you for all Asians to be lumped in together and for it not to be identified as a Pakistani issue - I understand that. Problem is that the Indians don't want to be associated with the deviance within the UK male Pakistani community. Looks like someone's offended *rolls eyes*[/p][/quote]The problem also is, *innocent* Pakistanis don't want to be associated with them either.[/p][/quote]True. But it IS a Pakistani problem, isn't it? There is no denying it. You live in a sexually repressed bubble, force young men to marry their cousins, teach them that women who don't cover their entire bodies are whores and not worthy of respect, and what is the result? SinnerSaint
  • Score: 35

10:23pm Fri 29 Aug 14

mustnotgrumble says...

Fact to all economical with the truth regarding Rotheram, BIGGEST SINGLE GROUP OF OFFENDERS: 36% WHITE MALES. Dedicate your efforts to eradicate this criminal behaviour not racially abuse each other.
Fact to all economical with the truth regarding Rotheram, BIGGEST SINGLE GROUP OF OFFENDERS: 36% WHITE MALES. Dedicate your efforts to eradicate this criminal behaviour not racially abuse each other. mustnotgrumble
  • Score: -31

10:57pm Fri 29 Aug 14

SinnerSaint says...

mustnotgrumble wrote:
Fact to all economical with the truth regarding Rotheram, BIGGEST SINGLE GROUP OF OFFENDERS: 36% WHITE MALES. Dedicate your efforts to eradicate this criminal behaviour not racially abuse each other.
If we were in Pakistan, that would be a problem
[quote][p][bold]mustnotgrumble[/bold] wrote: Fact to all economical with the truth regarding Rotheram, BIGGEST SINGLE GROUP OF OFFENDERS: 36% WHITE MALES. Dedicate your efforts to eradicate this criminal behaviour not racially abuse each other.[/p][/quote]If we were in Pakistan, that would be a problem SinnerSaint
  • Score: 33

2:14am Sat 30 Aug 14

serious lil says...

mustnotgrumble wrote:
Fact to all economical with the truth regarding Rotheram, BIGGEST SINGLE GROUP OF OFFENDERS: 36% WHITE MALES. Dedicate your efforts to eradicate this criminal behaviour not racially abuse each other.
in a country of over 90% white people id say 36% proves this crime is under represented. we all know already that the above crime (gang rape/pimping children/grooming white girls/child sexual abuse) pakistani men are terribly over represented. Why? because they see our vulnerable children as slabs of meat to be used abused and apparently in some cases disposed of permanently. This is a massive scandal because these girls were sacrificed in the name of political correctness in order not to upset the pakistani community for fear of being branded racist. even though the filth involved were clearly racist themselves as is anyone who sides with the scum.
[quote][p][bold]mustnotgrumble[/bold] wrote: Fact to all economical with the truth regarding Rotheram, BIGGEST SINGLE GROUP OF OFFENDERS: 36% WHITE MALES. Dedicate your efforts to eradicate this criminal behaviour not racially abuse each other.[/p][/quote]in a country of over 90% white people id say 36% proves this crime is under represented. we all know already that the above crime (gang rape/pimping children/grooming white girls/child sexual abuse) pakistani men are terribly over represented. Why? because they see our vulnerable children as slabs of meat to be used abused and apparently in some cases disposed of permanently. This is a massive scandal because these girls were sacrificed in the name of political correctness in order not to upset the pakistani community for fear of being branded racist. even though the filth involved were clearly racist themselves as is anyone who sides with the scum. serious lil
  • Score: 6

10:17am Sat 30 Aug 14

yezboss says...

llos25 wrote:
Bradford police force is at best useless empty promises thats all we get recently it was we will clean up the city centre nothing has changed ,we will rid the streets of illegal bikes nothing has changed.I agree with Albion too few at the coal face but there are other reasons and those in high places know what they are.
Sorry Bradfords Police Force as you call it is no longer, it's West Yorks and has been since 1974. They could not even begin to live up to the standard set by City of Bradford Police as it was years ago. Standards have changed, so has the job and I have to say as have the public too, some would not accept, or be able to live with, the policing of yesteryear if imposed today. 'Some people' would not know what hit them. Unfortunately we cannot afford what we had either.
[quote][p][bold]llos25[/bold] wrote: Bradford police force is at best useless empty promises thats all we get recently it was we will clean up the city centre nothing has changed ,we will rid the streets of illegal bikes nothing has changed.I agree with Albion too few at the coal face but there are other reasons and those in high places know what they are.[/p][/quote]Sorry Bradfords Police Force as you call it is no longer, it's West Yorks and has been since 1974. They could not even begin to live up to the standard set by City of Bradford Police as it was years ago. Standards have changed, so has the job and I have to say as have the public too, some would not accept, or be able to live with, the policing of yesteryear if imposed today. 'Some people' would not know what hit them. Unfortunately we cannot afford what we had either. yezboss
  • Score: 0
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