Row of derelict shops to be demolished

First published in News Bradford Telegraph and Argus: Photograph of the Author by , T&A Reporter

A ROW of derelict shops on a busy Bradford junction will be demolished in the spring after years of lying empty.

The properties, on the junction of Thornton Lane and Cemetery Road at Four Lane Ends, are owned by Bradford Council, and were originally bought several years ago to allow improvements to be made to the junction. However, funding for the roadworks never became available, and the shops have been empty for several years, attracting anti-social behaviour and vandalism.

The authority has now applied for permission to demolish four buildings at the corner of the junction.

A notice at the site says the council has applied for "the demolition and proposed restoration of the site."

If approved, the demolition works will begin in April and work is expected to finish in July. The application says that much of the demolition will be done by hand to create minimal disruption to surrounding businesses and homes.

The councillor in charge of planning at the council said the roadworks were unlikely to happen any time soon, but the demolition was needed because the buildings were becoming a problem for residents.

The shops, which have empty flats above them, include a former carpet shop, fishmonger and optician.

Cllr Val Slater, executive for planning, said: "The buildings were purchased by the council some time ago with the view that highways work would happen on the site, but the work never took place. The buildings remained empty and became very run down over the years. There has been some anti-social behaviour around them, and residents were asking us to do something about it. The best answer seems to be to get them demolished.

"There are no plans so far beyond the demolition, but that is not to say the road works will never happen."

Cllr Nazam Azam (Lab, City) represents the ward the buildings lie in, and says that the row of derelict properties reflect badly on the surrounding area. He said: "I do think knocking them down is a step in the right direction. They have been derelict for a long time, and caused many problems. A lot of residents have asked what we are going to do about them." He said that the complaints had come from other wards from people who drive past the shops on a daily basis. He added: "It is good that this is happening, because in their current form these buildings are an eyesore. I hope there will be some highways work there, but we have to take this one step at a time."

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8:38am Wed 27 Aug 14

bcfc1903 says...

Good news, they are in a very poor state and need to be demolished, it will be a great improvement when done.
Good news, they are in a very poor state and need to be demolished, it will be a great improvement when done. bcfc1903
  • Score: 20

8:52am Wed 27 Aug 14

we'recitynotbradford says...

My cousins lived in neighbouring houses and were moved out so that the houses could be demolished to allow road widening - they were by the where the grassy area is --- I think they were moved out in 1969/70 - it makes Westfield seem positively speedy!
My cousins lived in neighbouring houses and were moved out so that the houses could be demolished to allow road widening - they were by the where the grassy area is --- I think they were moved out in 1969/70 - it makes Westfield seem positively speedy! we'recitynotbradford
  • Score: 34

9:42am Wed 27 Aug 14

Avro says...

Wasn't a roundabout planned for that junction?
Wasn't a roundabout planned for that junction? Avro
  • Score: 5

9:53am Wed 27 Aug 14

Shipleyvegas says...

If they did this with more derelict buildings then there would be more incentives for development on the brownfield sites and less to burn in mill burning season
If they did this with more derelict buildings then there would be more incentives for development on the brownfield sites and less to burn in mill burning season Shipleyvegas
  • Score: 27

10:44am Wed 27 Aug 14

Albion. says...

So the council is to create yet another brownfield site.
So the council is to create yet another brownfield site. Albion.
  • Score: 7

11:09am Wed 27 Aug 14

AAA.Happy.Man says...

Bravo, Ms Slater - another eyesore to go.
Bravo, Ms Slater - another eyesore to go. AAA.Happy.Man
  • Score: 3

11:13am Wed 27 Aug 14

AAA.Happy.Man says...

Albion. wrote:
So the council is to create yet another brownfield site.
More of a plot than a site?
You'd prefer a dangerous eyesore attracting anti-social behaviour and possibly a fire would you?
Credit where credit's due.
[quote][p][bold]Albion.[/bold] wrote: So the council is to create yet another brownfield site.[/p][/quote]More of a plot than a site? You'd prefer a dangerous eyesore attracting anti-social behaviour and possibly a fire would you? Credit where credit's due. AAA.Happy.Man
  • Score: 3

11:44am Wed 27 Aug 14

Albion. says...

AAA.Happy.Man wrote:
Albion. wrote:
So the council is to create yet another brownfield site.
More of a plot than a site?
You'd prefer a dangerous eyesore attracting anti-social behaviour and possibly a fire would you?
Credit where credit's due.
No, I would have preferred it if they had some idea what to do with the vacant plot.
[quote][p][bold]AAA.Happy.Man[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Albion.[/bold] wrote: So the council is to create yet another brownfield site.[/p][/quote]More of a plot than a site? You'd prefer a dangerous eyesore attracting anti-social behaviour and possibly a fire would you? Credit where credit's due.[/p][/quote]No, I would have preferred it if they had some idea what to do with the vacant plot. Albion.
  • Score: -3

11:52am Wed 27 Aug 14

spearmint wino says...

It's Thornton Road not Lane which is at Little Horton
It's Thornton Road not Lane which is at Little Horton spearmint wino
  • Score: 10

12:50pm Wed 27 Aug 14

sunnysidedown says...

AAA.Happy.Man wrote:
Albion. wrote:
So the council is to create yet another brownfield site.
More of a plot than a site?
You'd prefer a dangerous eyesore attracting anti-social behaviour and possibly a fire would you?
Credit where credit's due.
The Council created this problem in the first place. They should hardly be getting your grovelling plaudits for cleaning up their own mess. The moment it was clear that funding would not be forthcoming they should have acted. This story is typical of the incompetence at City Hall. Slater should go.
[quote][p][bold]AAA.Happy.Man[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Albion.[/bold] wrote: So the council is to create yet another brownfield site.[/p][/quote]More of a plot than a site? You'd prefer a dangerous eyesore attracting anti-social behaviour and possibly a fire would you? Credit where credit's due.[/p][/quote]The Council created this problem in the first place. They should hardly be getting your grovelling plaudits for cleaning up their own mess. The moment it was clear that funding would not be forthcoming they should have acted. This story is typical of the incompetence at City Hall. Slater should go. sunnysidedown
  • Score: 14

12:56pm Wed 27 Aug 14

Robin of Loxley says...

Anyone know where this is on Google Maps ?
Anyone know where this is on Google Maps ? Robin of Loxley
  • Score: -12

1:05pm Wed 27 Aug 14

Bfd bloke says...

At long last - they have been an eyesore for too long, the original idea was to widen the road junction and hopefully that can still be done in the future. It would make it easier for large lorries/buses to turn left from Thornton road into cemetery road and improve visibility of the junction area.
At long last - they have been an eyesore for too long, the original idea was to widen the road junction and hopefully that can still be done in the future. It would make it easier for large lorries/buses to turn left from Thornton road into cemetery road and improve visibility of the junction area. Bfd bloke
  • Score: 8

1:20pm Wed 27 Aug 14

Jimmyboogalooo says...

We need more legal sites to house travellers and gypsies. Im not sure if this is big enough though? Bradford council has a duty to provide living spaces for these people and is sadly letting them and us down at the moment.
We need more legal sites to house travellers and gypsies. Im not sure if this is big enough though? Bradford council has a duty to provide living spaces for these people and is sadly letting them and us down at the moment. Jimmyboogalooo
  • Score: -32

1:23pm Wed 27 Aug 14

Bfd bloke says...

It's only a small site, about 3 small shops worth next to the busy junction. Hardly big enough for development of any sort but would be most useful to improve the road junction.
It's only a small site, about 3 small shops worth next to the busy junction. Hardly big enough for development of any sort but would be most useful to improve the road junction. Bfd bloke
  • Score: 5

1:30pm Wed 27 Aug 14

Albion. says...

Jimmyboogalooo wrote:
We need more legal sites to house travellers and gypsies. Im not sure if this is big enough though? Bradford council has a duty to provide living spaces for these people and is sadly letting them and us down at the moment.
It provides two sites, whereas many other places don't.
[quote][p][bold]Jimmyboogalooo[/bold] wrote: We need more legal sites to house travellers and gypsies. Im not sure if this is big enough though? Bradford council has a duty to provide living spaces for these people and is sadly letting them and us down at the moment.[/p][/quote]It provides two sites, whereas many other places don't. Albion.
  • Score: 12

1:33pm Wed 27 Aug 14

AAA.Happy.Man says...

Albion. says...
AAA.Happy.Man wrote:
Albion. wrote:
So the council is to create yet another brownfield site.
More of a plot than a site?
You'd prefer a dangerous eyesore attracting anti-social behaviour and possibly a fire would you?
Credit where credit's due.
No, I would have preferred it if they had some idea what to do with the vacant plot.
==============
It's a matter of money, dear Albion. it's all a matter of money.
How about all the Business Leaders who are destined to change the face of society as they take over all our assets, NHS, etc,.. playing their role/ It is, after all, because of their Gov't that CBMDC ain't got the cash to do much at all.
Albion. says... AAA.Happy.Man wrote: Albion. wrote: So the council is to create yet another brownfield site. More of a plot than a site? You'd prefer a dangerous eyesore attracting anti-social behaviour and possibly a fire would you? Credit where credit's due. No, I would have preferred it if they had some idea what to do with the vacant plot. ============== It's a matter of money, dear Albion. it's all a matter of money. How about all the Business Leaders who are destined to change the face of society as they take over all our assets, NHS, etc,.. playing their role/ It is, after all, because of their Gov't that CBMDC ain't got the cash to do much at all. AAA.Happy.Man
  • Score: -4

1:37pm Wed 27 Aug 14

Albion. says...

AAA.Happy.Man wrote:
Albion. says...
AAA.Happy.Man wrote:
Albion. wrote:
So the council is to create yet another brownfield site.
More of a plot than a site?
You'd prefer a dangerous eyesore attracting anti-social behaviour and possibly a fire would you?
Credit where credit's due.
No, I would have preferred it if they had some idea what to do with the vacant plot.
==============
It's a matter of money, dear Albion. it's all a matter of money.
How about all the Business Leaders who are destined to change the face of society as they take over all our assets, NHS, etc,.. playing their role/ It is, after all, because of their Gov't that CBMDC ain't got the cash to do much at all.
It's just found some money to do more city centre area tarting up, in the vicinity of both railway stations.
[quote][p][bold]AAA.Happy.Man[/bold] wrote: Albion. says... AAA.Happy.Man wrote: Albion. wrote: So the council is to create yet another brownfield site. More of a plot than a site? You'd prefer a dangerous eyesore attracting anti-social behaviour and possibly a fire would you? Credit where credit's due. No, I would have preferred it if they had some idea what to do with the vacant plot. ============== It's a matter of money, dear Albion. it's all a matter of money. How about all the Business Leaders who are destined to change the face of society as they take over all our assets, NHS, etc,.. playing their role/ It is, after all, because of their Gov't that CBMDC ain't got the cash to do much at all.[/p][/quote]It's just found some money to do more city centre area tarting up, in the vicinity of both railway stations. Albion.
  • Score: 2

1:55pm Wed 27 Aug 14

bignozer says...

Good news, but when will the council ever get around to improving traffic congestion at Lidget Green junction.
Good news, but when will the council ever get around to improving traffic congestion at Lidget Green junction. bignozer
  • Score: 6

1:55pm Wed 27 Aug 14

basil fawlty says...

Clearly the shops need to be demolished and the site left vacant to make way for some possible future road improvements. But why is there never any money to spend on Bradford's transport infrastructure? The roads around the city are mostly single lane victorian streets and are some of the most congested in England. Why do we never have anybody in the city with big enough ba**s to fight for government funding? Without our fair share of funding the city will never regenerate properly as it should.
Clearly the shops need to be demolished and the site left vacant to make way for some possible future road improvements. But why is there never any money to spend on Bradford's transport infrastructure? The roads around the city are mostly single lane victorian streets and are some of the most congested in England. Why do we never have anybody in the city with big enough ba**s to fight for government funding? Without our fair share of funding the city will never regenerate properly as it should. basil fawlty
  • Score: 6

2:10pm Wed 27 Aug 14

mad matt says...

The junction of Whetley Lane, Whetley Hill, Carlisle Road and Toller Lane was supposed to be developed and improved over 20 years ago.
The properties on two corners were demolished years ago and on a third corner all the properties were emptied but still nothing has been done. The plans were to install a roundabout, controlled by traffic lights and a couple of pedestrian crossings as well.
As someone has already stated, it makes the Westfield development look really quick, but then it is Bradford Council after all !
The junction of Whetley Lane, Whetley Hill, Carlisle Road and Toller Lane was supposed to be developed and improved over 20 years ago. The properties on two corners were demolished years ago and on a third corner all the properties were emptied but still nothing has been done. The plans were to install a roundabout, controlled by traffic lights and a couple of pedestrian crossings as well. As someone has already stated, it makes the Westfield development look really quick, but then it is Bradford Council after all ! mad matt
  • Score: 10

3:03pm Wed 27 Aug 14

AAA.Happy.Man says...

sunnysidedown says...
The Council created this problem in the first place.
No they didn't! How did you come to that conclusion?
As with (what's left of) the derelict buildings from Bradford's glorious (for the rich) past, the capitalists made their money by running the environment of Bradford into a sludge filled bog, and then did a moonlight with our assets, and left the people of Bradford, their victims, to pay for clearing up the profit strippers deadly and filthy heritage.
**They should hardly be getting your grovelling plaudits
Tut, tut - where's your Community solidarity?
**The moment it was clear that funding would not be forthcoming they should have acted.
And done what, please?
If they had, you'd have probably complained about them jumping the gun.
**This story is typical of the incompetence at City Hall.
Do you mean the staff, the elected members, or both?
**Slater should go.
Over a couple of derelict shops - be real !
By the way - is that steel work I see in the city centre?
Let's have a big hand for..... Mr David Green, and his team ! !
sunnysidedown says... The Council created this problem in the first place. No they didn't! How did you come to that conclusion? As with (what's left of) the derelict buildings from Bradford's glorious (for the rich) past, the capitalists made their money by running the environment of Bradford into a sludge filled bog, and then did a moonlight with our assets, and left the people of Bradford, their victims, to pay for clearing up the profit strippers deadly and filthy heritage. **They should hardly be getting your grovelling plaudits Tut, tut - where's your Community solidarity? **The moment it was clear that funding would not be forthcoming they should have acted. And done what, please? If they had, you'd have probably complained about them jumping the gun. **This story is typical of the incompetence at City Hall. Do you mean the staff, the elected members, or both? **Slater should go. Over a couple of derelict shops - be real ! By the way - is that steel work I see in the city centre? Let's have a big hand for..... Mr David Green, and his team ! ! AAA.Happy.Man
  • Score: -9

5:19pm Wed 27 Aug 14

AAA.Happy.Man says...

Albion. wrote...
''It's just found some money to do more city centre area tarting up, in the vicinity of both railway stations.''
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Not so, Albion, according to our very own T&A ''The improvements are being financed by the Regional Growth Fund which needs to be spent during this calendar year,''
More thrust upon them, and hypothecated too.
Don't you want this great city of ours to give a bright welcome to visitors, and the many workers who have to commute because the scrounging and environment blighting capitalists have despoiled our city, and are doing it elsewhere, taking our jobs with them.
Albion. wrote... ''It's just found some money to do more city centre area tarting up, in the vicinity of both railway stations.'' ------- Not so, Albion, according to our very own T&A ''The improvements are being financed by the Regional Growth Fund which needs to be spent during this calendar year,'' More thrust upon them, and hypothecated too. Don't you want this great city of ours to give a bright welcome to visitors, and the many workers who have to commute because the scrounging and environment blighting capitalists have despoiled our city, and are doing it elsewhere, taking our jobs with them. AAA.Happy.Man
  • Score: -2

5:32pm Wed 27 Aug 14

Albion. says...

AAA.Happy.Man wrote:
Albion. wrote...
''It's just found some money to do more city centre area tarting up, in the vicinity of both railway stations.''
-------
Not so, Albion, according to our very own T&A ''The improvements are being financed by the Regional Growth Fund which needs to be spent during this calendar year,''
More thrust upon them, and hypothecated too.
Don't you want this great city of ours to give a bright welcome to visitors, and the many workers who have to commute because the scrounging and environment blighting capitalists have despoiled our city, and are doing it elsewhere, taking our jobs with them.
No! Instead of cosmetic tarting up, which isn't needed, I would have preferred them to spend the grant (which wasn't specifically intended for that project) on things that they were going to fund from council coffers and then spend more on the elderly, infirm and poor, who have faced cuts to the services that apply to them. I don't consider this a "great city" (or were you making a point of irony), I consider it a declining third world mess and beyond saving.
[quote][p][bold]AAA.Happy.Man[/bold] wrote: Albion. wrote... ''It's just found some money to do more city centre area tarting up, in the vicinity of both railway stations.'' ------- Not so, Albion, according to our very own T&A ''The improvements are being financed by the Regional Growth Fund which needs to be spent during this calendar year,'' More thrust upon them, and hypothecated too. Don't you want this great city of ours to give a bright welcome to visitors, and the many workers who have to commute because the scrounging and environment blighting capitalists have despoiled our city, and are doing it elsewhere, taking our jobs with them.[/p][/quote]No! Instead of cosmetic tarting up, which isn't needed, I would have preferred them to spend the grant (which wasn't specifically intended for that project) on things that they were going to fund from council coffers and then spend more on the elderly, infirm and poor, who have faced cuts to the services that apply to them. I don't consider this a "great city" (or were you making a point of irony), I consider it a declining third world mess and beyond saving. Albion.
  • Score: 7

7:41pm Wed 27 Aug 14

AAA.Happy.Man says...

Albion. wrote...
''No! Instead of cosmetic tarting up, which isn't needed, I would have preferred them to spend the grant (which wasn't specifically intended for that project) on things that they were going to fund from council coffers and then spend more on the elderly, infirm and poor, who have faced cuts to the services that apply to them.''
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Whilst I agree with you on the need for more spending, care and attention for those three groups of citizens you mention, my understanding of the Fund is that it can only be used for business oriented purposes, specifically for promoting business creation /expansion. So it could not be spent on those burning issues you list.
Instead of pouring the money into the pockets of share-holders, Bradford Council has earmarked the cash to bring benefits to not only the Business sector, but vast numbers of CBMDC's residents too. The updating will add to the new shopping development and enhance our joy and laughter filled City Park - what a triumph that is.
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''I don't consider this a "great city" (or were you making a point of irony), I consider it a declining third world mess and beyond saving.''
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No irony intended at all, Albion. Defeatist and negative statements such as yours do nothing to help Bradford rise, Phoenix like, from the toxic sludge we have been lumbered with by the asset strippers who ruled this city for far too long - and then did a runner with their swag.
Albion. wrote... ''No! Instead of cosmetic tarting up, which isn't needed, I would have preferred them to spend the grant (which wasn't specifically intended for that project) on things that they were going to fund from council coffers and then spend more on the elderly, infirm and poor, who have faced cuts to the services that apply to them.'' ----------------- Whilst I agree with you on the need for more spending, care and attention for those three groups of citizens you mention, my understanding of the Fund is that it can only be used for business oriented purposes, specifically for promoting business creation /expansion. So it could not be spent on those burning issues you list. Instead of pouring the money into the pockets of share-holders, Bradford Council has earmarked the cash to bring benefits to not only the Business sector, but vast numbers of CBMDC's residents too. The updating will add to the new shopping development and enhance our joy and laughter filled City Park - what a triumph that is. -------- ''I don't consider this a "great city" (or were you making a point of irony), I consider it a declining third world mess and beyond saving.'' ---------- No irony intended at all, Albion. Defeatist and negative statements such as yours do nothing to help Bradford rise, Phoenix like, from the toxic sludge we have been lumbered with by the asset strippers who ruled this city for far too long - and then did a runner with their swag. AAA.Happy.Man
  • Score: -4

8:15pm Wed 27 Aug 14

Not so simple says...

Demolish City Hall and all it's NGO pals: they are all derelict of any brains or common sense.
Demolish City Hall and all it's NGO pals: they are all derelict of any brains or common sense. Not so simple
  • Score: 2

8:34pm Wed 27 Aug 14

Albion. says...

AAA.Happy.Man wrote:
Albion. wrote...
''No! Instead of cosmetic tarting up, which isn't needed, I would have preferred them to spend the grant (which wasn't specifically intended for that project) on things that they were going to fund from council coffers and then spend more on the elderly, infirm and poor, who have faced cuts to the services that apply to them.''
-----------------
Whilst I agree with you on the need for more spending, care and attention for those three groups of citizens you mention, my understanding of the Fund is that it can only be used for business oriented purposes, specifically for promoting business creation /expansion. So it could not be spent on those burning issues you list.
Instead of pouring the money into the pockets of share-holders, Bradford Council has earmarked the cash to bring benefits to not only the Business sector, but vast numbers of CBMDC's residents too. The updating will add to the new shopping development and enhance our joy and laughter filled City Park - what a triumph that is.
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''I don't consider this a "great city" (or were you making a point of irony), I consider it a declining third world mess and beyond saving.''
----------
No irony intended at all, Albion. Defeatist and negative statements such as yours do nothing to help Bradford rise, Phoenix like, from the toxic sludge we have been lumbered with by the asset strippers who ruled this city for far too long - and then did a runner with their swag.
You obviously misunderstood me. Surely the council has plans to spend money on things that the grant money could cover instead, that would then mean less strain on the council coffers and more money left for the causes that I mentioned. Meanwhile they intend to spend it on something that isn't really needed.
Rather than defeatist and negative, I prefer to think of my opinion as "realist." Time will tell and we can only make guesses as to the city's future, despite the clown-like toadying by one particular contributor to this forum, I think that much of the investment in grandiose ideas for the city has either been wasted or at best, fallen short of predictions. We are of course free to express our opinions (providing that we avoid certain taboos) and I thank you for expressing yours.
[quote][p][bold]AAA.Happy.Man[/bold] wrote: Albion. wrote... ''No! Instead of cosmetic tarting up, which isn't needed, I would have preferred them to spend the grant (which wasn't specifically intended for that project) on things that they were going to fund from council coffers and then spend more on the elderly, infirm and poor, who have faced cuts to the services that apply to them.'' ----------------- Whilst I agree with you on the need for more spending, care and attention for those three groups of citizens you mention, my understanding of the Fund is that it can only be used for business oriented purposes, specifically for promoting business creation /expansion. So it could not be spent on those burning issues you list. Instead of pouring the money into the pockets of share-holders, Bradford Council has earmarked the cash to bring benefits to not only the Business sector, but vast numbers of CBMDC's residents too. The updating will add to the new shopping development and enhance our joy and laughter filled City Park - what a triumph that is. -------- ''I don't consider this a "great city" (or were you making a point of irony), I consider it a declining third world mess and beyond saving.'' ---------- No irony intended at all, Albion. Defeatist and negative statements such as yours do nothing to help Bradford rise, Phoenix like, from the toxic sludge we have been lumbered with by the asset strippers who ruled this city for far too long - and then did a runner with their swag.[/p][/quote]You obviously misunderstood me. Surely the council has plans to spend money on things that the grant money could cover instead, that would then mean less strain on the council coffers and more money left for the causes that I mentioned. Meanwhile they intend to spend it on something that isn't really needed. Rather than defeatist and negative, I prefer to think of my opinion as "realist." Time will tell and we can only make guesses as to the city's future, despite the clown-like toadying by one particular contributor to this forum, I think that much of the investment in grandiose ideas for the city has either been wasted or at best, fallen short of predictions. We are of course free to express our opinions (providing that we avoid certain taboos) and I thank you for expressing yours. Albion.
  • Score: 4

8:52pm Wed 27 Aug 14

Bradford56 says...

Not so simple wrote:
Demolish City Hall and all it's NGO pals: they are all derelict of any brains or common sense.
Demolish a beautiful building like City Hall!?! Idiot!
[quote][p][bold]Not so simple[/bold] wrote: Demolish City Hall and all it's NGO pals: they are all derelict of any brains or common sense.[/p][/quote]Demolish a beautiful building like City Hall!?! Idiot! Bradford56
  • Score: 9

8:54pm Wed 27 Aug 14

Bradford56 says...

It's about time that this eye sore was sorted out! Thornton Rd rather than Lane and was Coopers Fish and Chip shop and not a Fishmonger!
It's about time that this eye sore was sorted out! Thornton Rd rather than Lane and was Coopers Fish and Chip shop and not a Fishmonger! Bradford56
  • Score: 8

9:37pm Wed 27 Aug 14

AAA.Happy.Man says...

Bradford56 wrote:
Not so simple wrote:
Demolish City Hall and all it's NGO pals: they are all derelict of any brains or common sense.
Demolish a beautiful building like City Hall!?! Idiot!
Well 'said' B 56 - it was that sort of silliness which allowed Swan Arcade, and trams to be thrown away.
The type of thinking (?) which would have knocked down the Odeon - Cllr Green changed that too!
[quote][p][bold]Bradford56[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Not so simple[/bold] wrote: Demolish City Hall and all it's NGO pals: they are all derelict of any brains or common sense.[/p][/quote]Demolish a beautiful building like City Hall!?! Idiot![/p][/quote]Well 'said' B 56 - it was that sort of silliness which allowed Swan Arcade, and trams to be thrown away. The type of thinking (?) which would have knocked down the Odeon - Cllr Green changed that too! [Mirip, mirip, mirip = song of a frog, Albion] AAA.Happy.Man
  • Score: 3

10:03pm Wed 27 Aug 14

alive and awake says...

If every time there was incidents of vandalism and antisocial behaviour a few buildings were puled down, Bradford would be a field of dreams.
If every time there was incidents of vandalism and antisocial behaviour a few buildings were puled down, Bradford would be a field of dreams. alive and awake
  • Score: 7

10:45pm Wed 27 Aug 14

AAA.Happy.Man says...

alive and awake wrote:
If every time there was incidents of vandalism and antisocial behaviour a few buildings were puled down, Bradford would be a field of dreams.
That reads like what Israel is doing to Gaza.
[quote][p][bold]alive and awake[/bold] wrote: If every time there was incidents of vandalism and antisocial behaviour a few buildings were puled down, Bradford would be a field of dreams.[/p][/quote]That reads like what Israel is doing to Gaza. AAA.Happy.Man
  • Score: -6

2:38am Thu 28 Aug 14

MyBradford says...

This is good news for that area, also are T&A reporters from out of town cos they keep getting street names & areas wrong.
This is good news for that area, also are T&A reporters from out of town cos they keep getting street names & areas wrong. MyBradford
  • Score: 4

7:02am Thu 28 Aug 14

oldbantam says...

I Live in Fairweather Green, and this is really good news I just hope they will at least grass the area, so it looks nice, perhaps a few flower beds, but I won't be holding my breath
I Live in Fairweather Green, and this is really good news I just hope they will at least grass the area, so it looks nice, perhaps a few flower beds, but I won't be holding my breath oldbantam
  • Score: 3

8:39am Thu 28 Aug 14

Apollo says...

alive and awake wrote:
If every time there was incidents of vandalism and antisocial behaviour a few buildings were puled down, Bradford would be a field of dreams.
Not really because scum travellers would then move onto the site and trash it like they have all over Bradford's playing fields and green spaces this year.

The gutless Police and Council just stand back and watch it happen.
[quote][p][bold]alive and awake[/bold] wrote: If every time there was incidents of vandalism and antisocial behaviour a few buildings were puled down, Bradford would be a field of dreams.[/p][/quote]Not really because scum travellers would then move onto the site and trash it like they have all over Bradford's playing fields and green spaces this year. The gutless Police and Council just stand back and watch it happen. Apollo
  • Score: 6

8:40am Thu 28 Aug 14

alive and awake says...

oldbantam wrote:
I Live in Fairweather Green, and this is really good news I just hope they will at least grass the area, so it looks nice, perhaps a few flower beds, but I won't be holding my breath
How many horses could we get on?
[quote][p][bold]oldbantam[/bold] wrote: I Live in Fairweather Green, and this is really good news I just hope they will at least grass the area, so it looks nice, perhaps a few flower beds, but I won't be holding my breath[/p][/quote]How many horses could we get on? alive and awake
  • Score: 2

12:58pm Thu 28 Aug 14

AAA.Happy.Man says...

oldbantam wrote:
I Live in Fairweather Green, and this is really good news I just hope they will at least grass the area, so it looks nice, perhaps a few flower beds, but I won't be holding my breath
Flower beds cost - not only for the planting and re-planting, but weeding and general maintenance A real waste of cash, which any second now Albion will point out.
However, if you got a sponsor ---- you could have a flowerbed AND adverts !
That would be nice ?
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[quote][p][bold]oldbantam[/bold] wrote: I Live in Fairweather Green, and this is really good news I just hope they will at least grass the area, so it looks nice, perhaps a few flower beds, but I won't be holding my breath[/p][/quote]Flower beds cost - not only for the planting and re-planting, but weeding and general maintenance A real waste of cash, which any second now Albion will point out. However, if you got a sponsor ---- you could have a flowerbed AND adverts ! That would be nice ? . AAA.Happy.Man
  • Score: 1

2:06pm Thu 28 Aug 14

Tinybantam says...

Albion. wrote:
AAA.Happy.Man wrote:
Albion. wrote...
''No! Instead of cosmetic tarting up, which isn't needed, I would have preferred them to spend the grant (which wasn't specifically intended for that project) on things that they were going to fund from council coffers and then spend more on the elderly, infirm and poor, who have faced cuts to the services that apply to them.''
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Whilst I agree with you on the need for more spending, care and attention for those three groups of citizens you mention, my understanding of the Fund is that it can only be used for business oriented purposes, specifically for promoting business creation /expansion. So it could not be spent on those burning issues you list.
Instead of pouring the money into the pockets of share-holders, Bradford Council has earmarked the cash to bring benefits to not only the Business sector, but vast numbers of CBMDC's residents too. The updating will add to the new shopping development and enhance our joy and laughter filled City Park - what a triumph that is.
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''I don't consider this a "great city" (or were you making a point of irony), I consider it a declining third world mess and beyond saving.''
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No irony intended at all, Albion. Defeatist and negative statements such as yours do nothing to help Bradford rise, Phoenix like, from the toxic sludge we have been lumbered with by the asset strippers who ruled this city for far too long - and then did a runner with their swag.
You obviously misunderstood me. Surely the council has plans to spend money on things that the grant money could cover instead, that would then mean less strain on the council coffers and more money left for the causes that I mentioned. Meanwhile they intend to spend it on something that isn't really needed.
Rather than defeatist and negative, I prefer to think of my opinion as "realist." Time will tell and we can only make guesses as to the city's future, despite the clown-like toadying by one particular contributor to this forum, I think that much of the investment in grandiose ideas for the city has either been wasted or at best, fallen short of predictions. We are of course free to express our opinions (providing that we avoid certain taboos) and I thank you for expressing yours.
It is nothing to do with your imaginary asset strippers. The demise of this once great city started in the late 50's and 60's when various council members had no foresight and decided that demolishing most of our city centre Victorian and Georgian architecture, buildings of character and beauty, was the way forward. There were no doubt lots of brown envelopes that influenced their decisions too, despite the majority of the citizens of Bradford objecting to it. They allowed the destruction of many of my favourite childhood places, such as Swan Arcade and Kirkgate market. The toxic sludge that you refer to was created by one particular demographic of the city's population and unfortunately it can never be removed. There is no future for Bradford apart from being a third world city.
[quote][p][bold]Albion.[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]AAA.Happy.Man[/bold] wrote: Albion. wrote... ''No! Instead of cosmetic tarting up, which isn't needed, I would have preferred them to spend the grant (which wasn't specifically intended for that project) on things that they were going to fund from council coffers and then spend more on the elderly, infirm and poor, who have faced cuts to the services that apply to them.'' ----------------- Whilst I agree with you on the need for more spending, care and attention for those three groups of citizens you mention, my understanding of the Fund is that it can only be used for business oriented purposes, specifically for promoting business creation /expansion. So it could not be spent on those burning issues you list. Instead of pouring the money into the pockets of share-holders, Bradford Council has earmarked the cash to bring benefits to not only the Business sector, but vast numbers of CBMDC's residents too. The updating will add to the new shopping development and enhance our joy and laughter filled City Park - what a triumph that is. -------- ''I don't consider this a "great city" (or were you making a point of irony), I consider it a declining third world mess and beyond saving.'' ---------- No irony intended at all, Albion. Defeatist and negative statements such as yours do nothing to help Bradford rise, Phoenix like, from the toxic sludge we have been lumbered with by the asset strippers who ruled this city for far too long - and then did a runner with their swag.[/p][/quote]You obviously misunderstood me. Surely the council has plans to spend money on things that the grant money could cover instead, that would then mean less strain on the council coffers and more money left for the causes that I mentioned. Meanwhile they intend to spend it on something that isn't really needed. Rather than defeatist and negative, I prefer to think of my opinion as "realist." Time will tell and we can only make guesses as to the city's future, despite the clown-like toadying by one particular contributor to this forum, I think that much of the investment in grandiose ideas for the city has either been wasted or at best, fallen short of predictions. We are of course free to express our opinions (providing that we avoid certain taboos) and I thank you for expressing yours.[/p][/quote]It is nothing to do with your imaginary asset strippers. The demise of this once great city started in the late 50's and 60's when various council members had no foresight and decided that demolishing most of our city centre Victorian and Georgian architecture, buildings of character and beauty, was the way forward. There were no doubt lots of brown envelopes that influenced their decisions too, despite the majority of the citizens of Bradford objecting to it. They allowed the destruction of many of my favourite childhood places, such as Swan Arcade and Kirkgate market. The toxic sludge that you refer to was created by one particular demographic of the city's population and unfortunately it can never be removed. There is no future for Bradford apart from being a third world city. Tinybantam
  • Score: 7

7:01pm Thu 28 Aug 14

AAA.Happy.Man says...

Tinybantam wrote:
It is nothing to do with your imaginary asset strippers.
AAA....Those asset strippers were real enough - where has all the wealth that was created from the blood, sweat and lanolin of the wool industry gone, if not with them.? Certainly not to the majority of the people of Bradford. Rather into the pockets of the few who skedaddled with it.
Not content with stealing the material assets, the vultures also asset stripped the health and welfare of the population of Bradford. De-camping to the fresh air of Ilkley, or much further afield for absent owners, they lived in clean air, huge houses and lush green surroundings.
In Bradford City - it was back-to-backs, outside lavs, overcrowding, TB, scabies, huge infant mortality. The city, its bowl shape clinging on to lung rotting smogs, polluted water so thick that even sinners could walk on it, asbestos and other carcinogens guaranteed to see most in the ground before they even caught sight of their pensions, was a human made killing field.
Tb....The demise of this once great city started in the late 50's (1950s ?) and 60's (60s) when various council members had no foresight and decided that demolishing most of our city centre Victorian and Georgian architecture, buildings of character and beauty, was the way forward.
AAA.... As a tourist destination - yes. But prosperity lay in the hands of the money MEN, and industrialists - tho' having droves of Tory Aldermen and Cllrs on the inside might have helped slightly. Short-termism ruled, the flood of cheap overseas textiles was ignored, diversification out of the wool centred mono-industry was resisted - all under the control of the Conservatives. That is where the decline continued
Tb....The toxic sludge that you refer to was created by one particular demographic of the city's population and unfortunately it can never be removed.
AAA.. This is too cryptic for me - please explain.
Tb...There is no future for Bradford apart from being a third world city.
AAA... To sum up my response to your posting, I have the choice,- offered by Private James Frazer ''We're DOOMED'', or ''Rubbish''
Tinybantam wrote: It is nothing to do with your imaginary asset strippers. AAA....Those asset strippers were real enough - where has all the wealth that was created from the blood, sweat and lanolin of the wool industry gone, if not with them.? Certainly not to the majority of the people of Bradford. Rather into the pockets of the few who skedaddled with it. Not content with stealing the material assets, the vultures also asset stripped the health and welfare of the population of Bradford. De-camping to the fresh air of Ilkley, or much further afield for absent owners, they lived in clean air, huge houses and lush green surroundings. In Bradford City - it was back-to-backs, outside lavs, overcrowding, TB, scabies, huge infant mortality. The city, its bowl shape clinging on to lung rotting smogs, polluted water so thick that even sinners could walk on it, asbestos and other carcinogens guaranteed to see most in the ground before they even caught sight of their pensions, was a human made killing field. Tb....The demise of this once great city started in the late 50's (1950s ?) and 60's (60s) when various council members had no foresight and decided that demolishing most of our city centre Victorian and Georgian architecture, buildings of character and beauty, was the way forward. AAA.... As a tourist destination - yes. But prosperity lay in the hands of the money MEN, and industrialists - tho' having droves of Tory Aldermen and Cllrs on the inside might have helped slightly. Short-termism ruled, the flood of cheap overseas textiles was ignored, diversification out of the wool centred mono-industry was resisted - all under the control of the Conservatives. That is where the decline continued Tb....The toxic sludge that you refer to was created by one particular demographic of the city's population and unfortunately it can never be removed. AAA.. This is too cryptic for me - please explain. Tb...There is no future for Bradford apart from being a third world city. AAA... To sum up my response to your posting, I have the choice,- offered by Private James Frazer ''We're DOOMED'', or ''Rubbish'' AAA.Happy.Man
  • Score: -5

7:10pm Fri 29 Aug 14

Tinybantam says...

AAA.Happy.Man wrote:
Tinybantam wrote:
It is nothing to do with your imaginary asset strippers.
AAA....Those asset strippers were real enough - where has all the wealth that was created from the blood, sweat and lanolin of the wool industry gone, if not with them.? Certainly not to the majority of the people of Bradford. Rather into the pockets of the few who skedaddled with it.
Not content with stealing the material assets, the vultures also asset stripped the health and welfare of the population of Bradford. De-camping to the fresh air of Ilkley, or much further afield for absent owners, they lived in clean air, huge houses and lush green surroundings.
In Bradford City - it was back-to-backs, outside lavs, overcrowding, TB, scabies, huge infant mortality. The city, its bowl shape clinging on to lung rotting smogs, polluted water so thick that even sinners could walk on it, asbestos and other carcinogens guaranteed to see most in the ground before they even caught sight of their pensions, was a human made killing field.
Tb....The demise of this once great city started in the late 50's (1950s ?) and 60's (60s) when various council members had no foresight and decided that demolishing most of our city centre Victorian and Georgian architecture, buildings of character and beauty, was the way forward.
AAA.... As a tourist destination - yes. But prosperity lay in the hands of the money MEN, and industrialists - tho' having droves of Tory Aldermen and Cllrs on the inside might have helped slightly. Short-termism ruled, the flood of cheap overseas textiles was ignored, diversification out of the wool centred mono-industry was resisted - all under the control of the Conservatives. That is where the decline continued
Tb....The toxic sludge that you refer to was created by one particular demographic of the city's population and unfortunately it can never be removed.
AAA.. This is too cryptic for me - please explain.
Tb...There is no future for Bradford apart from being a third world city.
AAA... To sum up my response to your posting, I have the choice,- offered by Private James Frazer ''We're DOOMED'', or ''Rubbish''
Well, AAA.....I know Bradford was full of back to back houses, outside toilets, infant mortality, smogs which made breathing almost impossibe, but it was also the same for many other towns and cities in the UK at that time. Bradford did not have a monopoly on it. The demise of the wool and textiles trades was down to the flood of cheap foreign imports, but you cannot blame the money men and industrialist for that. What did you expect them to do? Keep open factories and mills that were not paying their way. Keep on employing workers who would not have been paid in the end. They had to close the mills unfortunately as they could not compete with the foreign trade. Nothing to do with the Conservatives, or Labour. It was circumstances only. If you do not understand the word demographic then I suggest that you look it up in the Oxford English dictionary. It will give you a rather large clue.
[quote][p][bold]AAA.Happy.Man[/bold] wrote: Tinybantam wrote: It is nothing to do with your imaginary asset strippers. AAA....Those asset strippers were real enough - where has all the wealth that was created from the blood, sweat and lanolin of the wool industry gone, if not with them.? Certainly not to the majority of the people of Bradford. Rather into the pockets of the few who skedaddled with it. Not content with stealing the material assets, the vultures also asset stripped the health and welfare of the population of Bradford. De-camping to the fresh air of Ilkley, or much further afield for absent owners, they lived in clean air, huge houses and lush green surroundings. In Bradford City - it was back-to-backs, outside lavs, overcrowding, TB, scabies, huge infant mortality. The city, its bowl shape clinging on to lung rotting smogs, polluted water so thick that even sinners could walk on it, asbestos and other carcinogens guaranteed to see most in the ground before they even caught sight of their pensions, was a human made killing field. Tb....The demise of this once great city started in the late 50's (1950s ?) and 60's (60s) when various council members had no foresight and decided that demolishing most of our city centre Victorian and Georgian architecture, buildings of character and beauty, was the way forward. AAA.... As a tourist destination - yes. But prosperity lay in the hands of the money MEN, and industrialists - tho' having droves of Tory Aldermen and Cllrs on the inside might have helped slightly. Short-termism ruled, the flood of cheap overseas textiles was ignored, diversification out of the wool centred mono-industry was resisted - all under the control of the Conservatives. That is where the decline continued Tb....The toxic sludge that you refer to was created by one particular demographic of the city's population and unfortunately it can never be removed. AAA.. This is too cryptic for me - please explain. Tb...There is no future for Bradford apart from being a third world city. AAA... To sum up my response to your posting, I have the choice,- offered by Private James Frazer ''We're DOOMED'', or ''Rubbish''[/p][/quote]Well, AAA.....I know Bradford was full of back to back houses, outside toilets, infant mortality, smogs which made breathing almost impossibe, but it was also the same for many other towns and cities in the UK at that time. Bradford did not have a monopoly on it. The demise of the wool and textiles trades was down to the flood of cheap foreign imports, but you cannot blame the money men and industrialist for that. What did you expect them to do? Keep open factories and mills that were not paying their way. Keep on employing workers who would not have been paid in the end. They had to close the mills unfortunately as they could not compete with the foreign trade. Nothing to do with the Conservatives, or Labour. It was circumstances only. If you do not understand the word demographic then I suggest that you look it up in the Oxford English dictionary. It will give you a rather large clue. Tinybantam
  • Score: 1

8:19pm Fri 29 Aug 14

AAA.Happy.Man says...

The Tb and AAA debate continues.
Tb...Well, AAA.....I know Bradford was full of back to back houses,
AAA...There are still 1 000s of them
Tb...infant mortality
AA...''huge infant mortality'' is what I wrote
Tb...smogs which made breathing almost impossible,
AAA.. They rotted people's lungs, and killed them by the million, in agony.
Tb... but it was also the same for many other towns and cities in the UK at that time. Bradford did not have a monopoly on it.
AAA... Two wrongs don't make a right, and Bradford is the focus of this debate.
Tb...The demise of the wool and textiles trades was down to the flood of cheap foreign imports, but you cannot blame the money men and industrialist for that. What did you expect them to do? Keep open factories and mills that were not paying their way. Keep on employing workers who would not have been paid in the end. They had to close the mills unfortunately as they could not compete with the foreign trade.
AAA...Your 1st point is correct.
Then ask yourself these questions:
1)...Where did the machinery come from to manufacture the ''bowl of rice a day'' cheap imports ?
2)...Where did the Govt money go that was aimed at enabling the Textile industry to buy state of the art and technology equipment, which would have eliminated the cheap, low quality imports from the Far East ?
3)...What DID happen to all the redundant machinery from the closed mills,?
Did it go as scrap to boost the steel industry ?
Was it sent on an ocean cruise, to raise money for ocean cruises for the Mill owners?
Tb...Nothing to do with the Conservatives, or Labour. It was circumstances only.
AAA...If the State handouts to the Mill owners to replace old equipment had been on a payment on receipt of machinery basis - the plan would have succeeded. The Tories were, then as now, believers in Magic = ''Leave it to our chums in the market - Free Enterprise must rule.''
Tb...If you do not understand the word demographic then I suggest that you look it up in the Oxford English dictionary. It will give you a rather large clue.
AAA.. I understand that single word very well indeed. It was your whole paragraph ''The toxic sludge that you refer to was created by one particular demographic of the city's population and unfortunately it can never be removed.'' which stumped me - and still does. Would you like to ''Have another 'go' Jo.'' ? And Mabel at the table may give you your reward - half a crown = 2/6.
The Tb and AAA debate continues. Tb...Well, AAA.....I know Bradford was full of back to back houses, AAA...There are still 1 000s of them Tb...infant mortality AA...''huge infant mortality'' is what I wrote Tb...smogs which made breathing almost impossible, AAA.. They rotted people's lungs, and killed them by the million, in agony. Tb... but it was also the same for many other towns and cities in the UK at that time. Bradford did not have a monopoly on it. AAA... Two wrongs don't make a right, and Bradford is the focus of this debate. Tb...The demise of the wool and textiles trades was down to the flood of cheap foreign imports, but you cannot blame the money men and industrialist for that. What did you expect them to do? Keep open factories and mills that were not paying their way. Keep on employing workers who would not have been paid in the end. They had to close the mills unfortunately as they could not compete with the foreign trade. AAA...Your 1st point is correct. Then ask yourself these questions: 1)...Where did the machinery come from to manufacture the ''bowl of rice a day'' cheap imports ? 2)...Where did the Govt money go that was aimed at enabling the Textile industry to buy state of the art and technology equipment, which would have eliminated the cheap, low quality imports from the Far East ? 3)...What DID happen to all the redundant machinery from the closed mills,? Did it go as scrap to boost the steel industry ? Was it sent on an ocean cruise, to raise money for ocean cruises for the Mill owners? Tb...Nothing to do with the Conservatives, or Labour. It was circumstances only. AAA...If the State handouts [Our money] to the Mill owners to replace old equipment had been on a payment on receipt of machinery basis - the plan would have succeeded. The Tories were, then as now, believers in Magic = ''Leave it to our chums in the market - Free Enterprise must rule.'' Tb...If you do not understand the word demographic then I suggest that you look it up in the Oxford English dictionary. It will give you a rather large clue. AAA.. I understand that single word very well indeed. It was your whole paragraph ''The toxic sludge that you refer to was created by one particular demographic of the city's population and unfortunately it can never be removed.'' which stumped me - and still does. Would you like to ''Have another 'go' Jo.'' ? And Mabel at the table may give you your reward - half a crown = 2/6. AAA.Happy.Man
  • Score: -3

7:01pm Mon 1 Sep 14

AAA.Happy.Man says...

Just what is going on with this thread
Just what is going on with this thread AAA.Happy.Man
  • Score: 0
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