City centre pub shuts on day of campaign to prevent further closures

CLOSED: The Queen pub in Bridge Street has been boarded up

CLOSED: The Queen pub in Bridge Street has been boarded up

CONCERN: Peter Down, campaigns officer for the Bradford CAMRA branch

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ANOTHER pub in Bradford city centre has closed down - on the day the Campaign For Real Ale warned about continued loss of pubs.

Metal sheets have been put up over the doors and windows of The Queen, which is on Bridge Street near Bradford Interchange.

The pub is owned by Enterprise Inns, a company that runs approximately 5,500 pubs nationwide.

A sign on the outside of the pub said nothing of value remained in the building and that all utilities had been disconnected. Later yesterday a To Let sign was put up.

Yesterday CAMRA started Pubs Matter, a campaign to get the Government to close a loophole in the law that currently allows pubs to be demolished or converted for another use without a planning application.

A spokesman for Enterprise Inns confirmed The Queen was among the company's portfolio.

She said: "We would like to reassure residents that the Queen has only closed temporarily, we are working with a new publican and aim for the pub to resume trading at the earliest opportunity." 

Peter Down, campaigns officer for the Bradford CAMRA branch, saw the metal boards being put up at the pub on Monday night.

He said: "It is another pub that has been lost. Unfortunately I don't know the details of why it has shut. It is another loss for the city centre.

"The way the trading situation is at the moment, that just seems another reflection of it.

"It always seemed to be quite busy and it is in a prominent location near the Interchange."

He added: "There have been quite a few incidents with Enterprise pubs recently, while looking for new managers.

"There is obviously something wrong with the model of some of the pub companies. Some seem to have high prices and a high turnover of managers.

"Others like Wetherspoon are doing quite well, and there is the free house situation where they are doing quite well as well."

More than 170 pubs have closed in Bradford over the last few years.

The Queen has been closed down before. It shut down in October 2008, only ten months after it had been re-opened.

Last October, members of the English Defence League met and drank at the pub ahead of a rally outside St George's Hall.

In January last year, police swarmed round the pub to deal with rowdy Aston Villa fans ahead of a Capital One Cup clash with Bradford City.

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4:43pm Tue 12 Aug 14

basil fawlty says...

So Enterprise Inns cant make a success of a pub right next to the main entrance to a major transport interchange? They couldnt organise a p155up in a brewery. Lets hope that somebody else takes it over as a Freehouse.
So Enterprise Inns cant make a success of a pub right next to the main entrance to a major transport interchange? They couldnt organise a p155up in a brewery. Lets hope that somebody else takes it over as a Freehouse. basil fawlty
  • Score: 27

6:15pm Tue 12 Aug 14

Mr Capp says...

Nothing enterprising about enterprise inns!
Nothing enterprising about enterprise inns! Mr Capp
  • Score: 17

6:49pm Tue 12 Aug 14

Idlesteve says...

Enterprise inns like most large pub companies extort huge mounts of fees from the Tennant managers. When profits go up so do the fees the manages have to pay. It's these vile companies that are ruining the pub industry.
Enterprise inns like most large pub companies extort huge mounts of fees from the Tennant managers. When profits go up so do the fees the manages have to pay. It's these vile companies that are ruining the pub industry. Idlesteve
  • Score: 25

7:35pm Tue 12 Aug 14

LeftLongAgo says...

It was not a very nice pub was it? Hardly what you want to see as a first impression of Bradford when leaving the Interchange. But probably quite a realistic impression as it does not get much better. The place emitted the smell of weed off the customers that was noticeable as you passed by on the street. Only actually went in once as I was early for a train and thought I would have a pint. Too scared to even take a pee with the stares from the people in there, should have remembered never to wear a suit in Bradford as you get treated like an alien. Good Riddance to the place.
It was not a very nice pub was it? Hardly what you want to see as a first impression of Bradford when leaving the Interchange. But probably quite a realistic impression as it does not get much better. The place emitted the smell of weed off the customers that was noticeable as you passed by on the street. Only actually went in once as I was early for a train and thought I would have a pint. Too scared to even take a pee with the stares from the people in there, should have remembered never to wear a suit in Bradford as you get treated like an alien. Good Riddance to the place. LeftLongAgo
  • Score: 19

8:24pm Tue 12 Aug 14

born n bred says...

Believe me this is just a sign of the times. Enterprise Inns are a callous company that doesn't give a hoot about the pub trade, they are glorified property owners who charge an extortionate amount of rent. They don't pass on the full discounts they get from the beer, they take % of the gaming machine revenue, the pool tables, and any other revenue streams they can. They also make you use their suppliers for utilities, so another cut for them there. They make you use their preferred accountants, so they know if your struggling (they then know that you may buy your beer from a wholesaler, which then triggers a fine). Your beer is metered (again so they know if you haven't bought from them. Everything is geared to fining you, if you want a order early because you have been exceptionally busy (£100 extra charge for 24 hour , or £45 for 48hours) i could go on for hours.
They are the worst of the worst to deal with, steer clear forever.!!!!
Believe me this is just a sign of the times. Enterprise Inns are a callous company that doesn't give a hoot about the pub trade, they are glorified property owners who charge an extortionate amount of rent. They don't pass on the full discounts they get from the beer, they take % of the gaming machine revenue, the pool tables, and any other revenue streams they can. They also make you use their suppliers for utilities, so another cut for them there. They make you use their preferred accountants, so they know if your struggling (they then know that you may buy your beer from a wholesaler, which then triggers a fine). Your beer is metered (again so they know if you haven't bought from them. Everything is geared to fining you, if you want a order early because you have been exceptionally busy (£100 extra charge for 24 hour , or £45 for 48hours) i could go on for hours. They are the worst of the worst to deal with, steer clear forever.!!!! born n bred
  • Score: 28

11:41pm Tue 12 Aug 14

Papa Smurfs Wig says...

Yes they are a terrible company as are Punch Taverns and they'll be some news out about them soon and not what they would prefer.
These two companies are about as bad as each other.
I just laugh when they won't do free of tie deals till it's too late.
Yes they are a terrible company as are Punch Taverns and they'll be some news out about them soon and not what they would prefer. These two companies are about as bad as each other. I just laugh when they won't do free of tie deals till it's too late. Papa Smurfs Wig
  • Score: 10

12:21am Wed 13 Aug 14

Bone_idle18 says...

It was far better when the breweries owned the pubs, at least it was in the best interest to make them viable, pubcos are all about bottom line and selling off property for profit. Unfortunately that plan was scuppered by property prices dropping below what they paid for most of the pubs in the first place.
It was far better when the breweries owned the pubs, at least it was in the best interest to make them viable, pubcos are all about bottom line and selling off property for profit. Unfortunately that plan was scuppered by property prices dropping below what they paid for most of the pubs in the first place. Bone_idle18
  • Score: 5

9:09am Wed 13 Aug 14

llos25 says...

The pub companies own thousand of very successful pubs they like many businesses they are getting rid of the outlets that do not pay.The tenants of the pubs concerned new the conditions before they signed they had a choice a pub closes so what I think the number of licenced premises in the UK has actually increased over the years I say good riddance to these dross pubs that cater for dross people.
The pub companies own thousand of very successful pubs they like many businesses they are getting rid of the outlets that do not pay.The tenants of the pubs concerned new the conditions before they signed they had a choice a pub closes so what I think the number of licenced premises in the UK has actually increased over the years I say good riddance to these dross pubs that cater for dross people. llos25
  • Score: -6

10:34am Wed 13 Aug 14

Bone_idle18 says...

llos25 wrote:
The pub companies own thousand of very successful pubs they like many businesses they are getting rid of the outlets that do not pay.The tenants of the pubs concerned new the conditions before they signed they had a choice a pub closes so what I think the number of licenced premises in the UK has actually increased over the years I say good riddance to these dross pubs that cater for dross people.
The problem is with 2 pubcos, enterprise Inns and Punch Taverns. Both are massively in debt (punch nearly went bust last year).

http://pubaliciouspu
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As stated there, other smaller pubcos are growing their businesses, whilst these two are shutting 100's of pubs a year.
[quote][p][bold]llos25[/bold] wrote: The pub companies own thousand of very successful pubs they like many businesses they are getting rid of the outlets that do not pay.The tenants of the pubs concerned new the conditions before they signed they had a choice a pub closes so what I think the number of licenced premises in the UK has actually increased over the years I say good riddance to these dross pubs that cater for dross people.[/p][/quote]The problem is with 2 pubcos, enterprise Inns and Punch Taverns. Both are massively in debt (punch nearly went bust last year). http://pubaliciouspu bs.wordpress.com/201 3/09/24/pubco-dispos al-figures-expose-th e-reality-of-the-pub co-business-model/ As stated there, other smaller pubcos are growing their businesses, whilst these two are shutting 100's of pubs a year. Bone_idle18
  • Score: 7

11:11am Wed 13 Aug 14

llos25 says...

Still does not alter there are more licenced premises today then yesterday and irrespective of the financial position of the two pub co´s you mention they are closing dross pubs.Going back to their financial position you obviously know more than their accountants.
Still does not alter there are more licenced premises today then yesterday and irrespective of the financial position of the two pub co´s you mention they are closing dross pubs.Going back to their financial position you obviously know more than their accountants. llos25
  • Score: -8

12:01pm Wed 13 Aug 14

single says...

llos25 wrote:
Still does not alter there are more licenced premises today then yesterday and irrespective of the financial position of the two pub co´s you mention they are closing dross pubs.Going back to their financial position you obviously know more than their accountants.
These" dross pubs " as you call them, were the social hub of the community, like them or not . As to your more licencenced premises , where ? not in bradford .
[quote][p][bold]llos25[/bold] wrote: Still does not alter there are more licenced premises today then yesterday and irrespective of the financial position of the two pub co´s you mention they are closing dross pubs.Going back to their financial position you obviously know more than their accountants.[/p][/quote]These" dross pubs " as you call them, were the social hub of the community, like them or not . As to your more licencenced premises , where ? not in bradford . single
  • Score: 4

12:26pm Wed 13 Aug 14

Bone_idle18 says...

llos25 wrote:
Still does not alter there are more licenced premises today then yesterday and irrespective of the financial position of the two pub co´s you mention they are closing dross pubs.Going back to their financial position you obviously know more than their accountants.
Punch has £2.3 billion debt

http://www.ft.com/cm
s/s/0/f0a5cc6c-213d-
11e4-a958-00144feabd
c0.html#axzz3AGotf8E
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enterprise has a couple of million more

http://www.investors
chronicle.co.uk/2014
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nd-analysis/enterpri
se-inns-starts-reinv
esting-kmg9X7VVMxJpI
td9p5oN6J/article.ht
ml

They're not just shutting dross pubs, they're asset stripping and selling of prime locations to counter this debt. Debt built up by over valuation and borrowing against the overvaluation.

Those are just a couple of the many articles on their plight.
[quote][p][bold]llos25[/bold] wrote: Still does not alter there are more licenced premises today then yesterday and irrespective of the financial position of the two pub co´s you mention they are closing dross pubs.Going back to their financial position you obviously know more than their accountants.[/p][/quote]Punch has £2.3 billion debt http://www.ft.com/cm s/s/0/f0a5cc6c-213d- 11e4-a958-00144feabd c0.html#axzz3AGotf8E B enterprise has a couple of million more http://www.investors chronicle.co.uk/2014 /05/13/shares/news-a nd-analysis/enterpri se-inns-starts-reinv esting-kmg9X7VVMxJpI td9p5oN6J/article.ht ml They're not just shutting dross pubs, they're asset stripping and selling of prime locations to counter this debt. Debt built up by over valuation and borrowing against the overvaluation. Those are just a couple of the many articles on their plight. Bone_idle18
  • Score: 8

7:57pm Wed 13 Aug 14

born n bred says...

llos25 wrote:
The pub companies own thousand of very successful pubs they like many businesses they are getting rid of the outlets that do not pay.The tenants of the pubs concerned new the conditions before they signed they had a choice a pub closes so what I think the number of licenced premises in the UK has actually increased over the years I say good riddance to these dross pubs that cater for dross people.
Your statement that there are more licence premises now than before may be true. But I would say that they aren't all pubs, more like restaurants and bars in hotels etc. It still doesn't alter the fact that more 'pubs' are closing than opening, and these two pubco's are the main reason. Their business models were based on over inflated property valuations, similar to the mortgage situation 4/5 years ago. Let's face it some of the pubs they bought weren't worth a wxxk, but with all the add add ons and cuts from the licensee's discounts, bandits, and various other revenue streams, they could make it work.
I also contest your statement that the in going tenants know the deal before they start, i know a few that (lets say weren't told the full story) got shafted because of the draconian trading deals that would even make the most hard faced politician blush.
all the above said they have some cracking pubs, but they shouldn't use a module of one size fits all.
[quote][p][bold]llos25[/bold] wrote: The pub companies own thousand of very successful pubs they like many businesses they are getting rid of the outlets that do not pay.The tenants of the pubs concerned new the conditions before they signed they had a choice a pub closes so what I think the number of licenced premises in the UK has actually increased over the years I say good riddance to these dross pubs that cater for dross people.[/p][/quote]Your statement that there are more licence premises now than before may be true. But I would say that they aren't all pubs, more like restaurants and bars in hotels etc. It still doesn't alter the fact that more 'pubs' are closing than opening, and these two pubco's are the main reason. Their business models were based on over inflated property valuations, similar to the mortgage situation 4/5 years ago. Let's face it some of the pubs they bought weren't worth a wxxk, but with all the add add ons and cuts from the licensee's discounts, bandits, and various other revenue streams, they could make it work. I also contest your statement that the in going tenants know the deal before they start, i know a few that (lets say weren't told the full story) got shafted because of the draconian trading deals that would even make the most hard faced politician blush. all the above said they have some cracking pubs, but they shouldn't use a module of one size fits all. born n bred
  • Score: 3

10:00pm Wed 13 Aug 14

rosesrwhite says...

llos25 wrote:
The pub companies own thousand of very successful pubs they like many businesses they are getting rid of the outlets that do not pay.The tenants of the pubs concerned new the conditions before they signed they had a choice a pub closes so what I think the number of licenced premises in the UK has actually increased over the years I say good riddance to these dross pubs that cater for dross people.
A tad judgemental and stereotyping. Who are you to judge?
[quote][p][bold]llos25[/bold] wrote: The pub companies own thousand of very successful pubs they like many businesses they are getting rid of the outlets that do not pay.The tenants of the pubs concerned new the conditions before they signed they had a choice a pub closes so what I think the number of licenced premises in the UK has actually increased over the years I say good riddance to these dross pubs that cater for dross people.[/p][/quote]A tad judgemental and stereotyping. Who are you to judge? rosesrwhite
  • Score: 3

12:29am Thu 14 Aug 14

say_it_as_it_is says...

Fantastic news, hate the site of these shabby places, the less of these p*ss holes the better
Fantastic news, hate the site of these shabby places, the less of these p*ss holes the better say_it_as_it_is
  • Score: 0

12:48pm Thu 14 Aug 14

llos25 says...

rosesrwhite wrote:
llos25 wrote:
The pub companies own thousand of very successful pubs they like many businesses they are getting rid of the outlets that do not pay.The tenants of the pubs concerned new the conditions before they signed they had a choice a pub closes so what I think the number of licenced premises in the UK has actually increased over the years I say good riddance to these dross pubs that cater for dross people.
A tad judgemental and stereotyping. Who are you to judge?
Your statement makes no sense elaborate please or are you one of the idiots who frequent such places.I have only stated facts which are available to anybody or would rather have a fairy story.
[quote][p][bold]rosesrwhite[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]llos25[/bold] wrote: The pub companies own thousand of very successful pubs they like many businesses they are getting rid of the outlets that do not pay.The tenants of the pubs concerned new the conditions before they signed they had a choice a pub closes so what I think the number of licenced premises in the UK has actually increased over the years I say good riddance to these dross pubs that cater for dross people.[/p][/quote]A tad judgemental and stereotyping. Who are you to judge?[/p][/quote]Your statement makes no sense elaborate please or are you one of the idiots who frequent such places.I have only stated facts which are available to anybody or would rather have a fairy story. llos25
  • Score: -1

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