Battle to transform landmark Bradford Odeon building is down to one final bidder

VISION: Bradford Live's plans for the iconic Odeon building

VISION: Bradford Live's plans for the iconic Odeon building

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ONLY one group is now in the running to restore the former Odeon building in Bradford city centre.

The landmark building is likely to be transformed into a major music venue after it was announced last night that Bradford Live had made it through to the final stage of a bidding process - its plan would create a regional music venue with a 4,000 capacity.

It signals an end to years of uncertainty over the future of the building, which has been disused since 2000 and was once threatened with demolition.

Bradford Live has to demonstrate to Bradford Council what the total costs would be and how it can get the funding.

Most of the Odeon's trade will be as an evening venue, which is in contrast to the unsuccessful alternative bid from Bradford One that had aimed to open up the building to daytime trade.

After Yorkshire Forward was wound up, the building was sold to the local authority.

Last night Council leader David Green said: "Since acquiring the former Odeon building from the Homes and Communities Agency, we have been keen to consider commercially viable redevelopment proposals which would retain as much of the character of the building as is possible.

"We initially received three proposals from interested parties but only two of those bids went through to the next stage.

"We are now able to announce today that after a thorough assessment of both bids by the Council and independent assessors, just one is progressing to the third stage."

A final decision will be made at the Council's Executive meeting in November.

Cllr Green added: "We would like to thank the team behind the Bradford One submission for the time, effort and enthusiasm they have put into presenting their bid.

"Unfortunately, their submission has not achieved the minimum requirements needed to progress to the next stage.

"We remain hopeful that the former Odeon building has a viable future in Bradford's city centre."

Bradford One spokesman Gideon Seymour said the group was not making an immediate statement on the decision.

The secretary of the Bradford Odeon Rescue GroupMark Nicholson, which has campaigned to save the building, said Bradford Live was the group's favoured bidder.

"In our opinion it is the best bid and reflects what people have been telling us," he added.

BORG had been working to offer technical advice on the building to Bradford Live and it was hoped the organisation could continue in an advisory capacity, also offering the use of its extensive archives on the building.

No-one from Bradford Live was available for comment.

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7:09am Wed 6 Aug 14

Albion. says...

I wish them every success.
I wish them every success. Albion.
  • Score: 28

9:13am Wed 6 Aug 14

Mr P Lumb says...

You can wish them every success but I will have a bet with you that even with this crew being the last man standing ultimately it will transpire that the funding isn't in place and it will be yet another false dawn for sorry old Bradford. It's got the annual redevelopment of odsal (NOT) written all over it - they have had numerous dreamers, schemers and shysters present their fantasy plans to no avail - it's where David Green lives anyway "la la land" so no doubt we are in safe hands. I wouldn't rush to buy your tickets to see One Direction just yet - as they said when they dug up our city centre "watch this space!!" We did for about 8 years - in David green and Bradford council we trust.
You can wish them every success but I will have a bet with you that even with this crew being the last man standing ultimately it will transpire that the funding isn't in place and it will be yet another false dawn for sorry old Bradford. It's got the annual redevelopment of odsal (NOT) written all over it - they have had numerous dreamers, schemers and shysters present their fantasy plans to no avail - it's where David Green lives anyway "la la land" so no doubt we are in safe hands. I wouldn't rush to buy your tickets to see One Direction just yet - as they said when they dug up our city centre "watch this space!!" We did for about 8 years - in David green and Bradford council we trust. Mr P Lumb
  • Score: -18

9:46am Wed 6 Aug 14

johnh1 says...

Mr P Lumb wrote:
You can wish them every success but I will have a bet with you that even with this crew being the last man standing ultimately it will transpire that the funding isn't in place and it will be yet another false dawn for sorry old Bradford. It's got the annual redevelopment of odsal (NOT) written all over it - they have had numerous dreamers, schemers and shysters present their fantasy plans to no avail - it's where David Green lives anyway "la la land" so no doubt we are in safe hands. I wouldn't rush to buy your tickets to see One Direction just yet - as they said when they dug up our city centre "watch this space!!" We did for about 8 years - in David green and Bradford council we trust.
It is sad people are giving this a thumbs down because we all know Mr Lumb is right, no good pretending anything else.
If it does gets through good luck to them.
[quote][p][bold]Mr P Lumb[/bold] wrote: You can wish them every success but I will have a bet with you that even with this crew being the last man standing ultimately it will transpire that the funding isn't in place and it will be yet another false dawn for sorry old Bradford. It's got the annual redevelopment of odsal (NOT) written all over it - they have had numerous dreamers, schemers and shysters present their fantasy plans to no avail - it's where David Green lives anyway "la la land" so no doubt we are in safe hands. I wouldn't rush to buy your tickets to see One Direction just yet - as they said when they dug up our city centre "watch this space!!" We did for about 8 years - in David green and Bradford council we trust.[/p][/quote]It is sad people are giving this a thumbs down because we all know Mr Lumb is right, no good pretending anything else. If it does gets through good luck to them. johnh1
  • Score: -6

9:56am Wed 6 Aug 14

OLDLAD says...

Biggest problem with a music venue is where will the public park their vehicles that would be safe? Road infrastructure is also another big problem.
Biggest problem with a music venue is where will the public park their vehicles that would be safe? Road infrastructure is also another big problem. OLDLAD
  • Score: 3

9:58am Wed 6 Aug 14

bcfc1903 says...

Great news, so glad that Bradford Live has the chance to create a world class concert venue in Bradford. Hopefully come November this scheme will get the green light and the sad looking building that is the Odeon at the minute will be transformed over the following months into something Bradford has needed for years, a venue that has the capacity to attract quality bands and solo artists. Great job by Lee Craven and his Bradford Live team!!

I'd also like to say commiserations to the Bradford One team who also had a fantastic scheme for the Odeon Building.
Great news, so glad that Bradford Live has the chance to create a world class concert venue in Bradford. Hopefully come November this scheme will get the green light and the sad looking building that is the Odeon at the minute will be transformed over the following months into something Bradford has needed for years, a venue that has the capacity to attract quality bands and solo artists. Great job by Lee Craven and his Bradford Live team!! I'd also like to say commiserations to the Bradford One team who also had a fantastic scheme for the Odeon Building. bcfc1903
  • Score: 15

10:07am Wed 6 Aug 14

Joedavid says...

OLDLAD wrote:
Biggest problem with a music venue is where will the public park their vehicles that would be safe? Road infrastructure is also another big problem.
Leeds First Direct Arena does not have a carpark and it holds up to 13500 people.
People park in excising carparks, where do you think daytime shoppers and workers park in Leeds and Bradford?
[quote][p][bold]OLDLAD[/bold] wrote: Biggest problem with a music venue is where will the public park their vehicles that would be safe? Road infrastructure is also another big problem.[/p][/quote]Leeds First Direct Arena does not have a carpark and it holds up to 13500 people. People park in excising carparks, where do you think daytime shoppers and workers park in Leeds and Bradford? Joedavid
  • Score: 36

10:37am Wed 6 Aug 14

Idlesteve says...

So negative the comments! Some people just are not happy with anything. Sad losers :-)
So negative the comments! Some people just are not happy with anything. Sad losers :-) Idlesteve
  • Score: 18

11:02am Wed 6 Aug 14

Papa Smurfs Wig says...

So come on then, where are you going to put 2000 cars?

Yes it is a pipe dream and someone on radio Leeds from the group couldn't answer the questions about funding and what bands they can get. You can't just get any band as they are tied to a company as l keep saying, some yes but not all. It was said they need some big nights 5/6 times a week, who can afford that at £30/40 a throw? She said it won't be ready till autumn 2017. That is if they get permission to borrow.
I fear the council tax payer will pick up the tab in the future if they get the go ahead.
Just sort the roof on the St Gworges and have done and make the council some money.
So come on then, where are you going to put 2000 cars? Yes it is a pipe dream and someone on radio Leeds from the group couldn't answer the questions about funding and what bands they can get. You can't just get any band as they are tied to a company as l keep saying, some yes but not all. It was said they need some big nights 5/6 times a week, who can afford that at £30/40 a throw? She said it won't be ready till autumn 2017. That is if they get permission to borrow. I fear the council tax payer will pick up the tab in the future if they get the go ahead. Just sort the roof on the St Gworges and have done and make the council some money. Papa Smurfs Wig
  • Score: -16

11:06am Wed 6 Aug 14

Papa Smurfs Wig says...

Joedavid wrote:
OLDLAD wrote:
Biggest problem with a music venue is where will the public park their vehicles that would be safe? Road infrastructure is also another big problem.
Leeds First Direct Arena does not have a carpark and it holds up to 13500 people.
People park in excising carparks, where do you think daytime shoppers and workers park in Leeds and Bradford?
The council in Leeds has a more forward thinking council and have plenty of car parks, do we?

Does anyone remember the one off 80's gig at Odsal that lost pots of cash? Just saying like.
[quote][p][bold]Joedavid[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]OLDLAD[/bold] wrote: Biggest problem with a music venue is where will the public park their vehicles that would be safe? Road infrastructure is also another big problem.[/p][/quote]Leeds First Direct Arena does not have a carpark and it holds up to 13500 people. People park in excising carparks, where do you think daytime shoppers and workers park in Leeds and Bradford?[/p][/quote]The council in Leeds has a more forward thinking council and have plenty of car parks, do we? Does anyone remember the one off 80's gig at Odsal that lost pots of cash? Just saying like. Papa Smurfs Wig
  • Score: -5

12:28pm Wed 6 Aug 14

BCFC1911 says...

Papa Smurfs Wig wrote:
So come on then, where are you going to put 2000 cars?

Yes it is a pipe dream and someone on radio Leeds from the group couldn't answer the questions about funding and what bands they can get. You can't just get any band as they are tied to a company as l keep saying, some yes but not all. It was said they need some big nights 5/6 times a week, who can afford that at £30/40 a throw? She said it won't be ready till autumn 2017. That is if they get permission to borrow.
I fear the council tax payer will pick up the tab in the future if they get the go ahead.
Just sort the roof on the St Gworges and have done and make the council some money.
I listened to that on the radio. I agree a concert hall / music venue is the way forward but this certainly will not be "world class" or even in the same division as the Leeds Arena.

There is no way on earth Bradford can attract the big names appearing Leeds over the coming months in reality

Ed Sheeran
Lee Evans
Il Divo
John Bishop
WWE Live
Kasabian
Bryan Adams
The Who
Michael Buble
Madness
Michael Mcintyre

to name a few. Anyone that thinks this venue and city will attract this level of "celebrity" is kidding themselves. Its will mainly be mediocre middle of the road bands and bollywood performers.
[quote][p][bold]Papa Smurfs Wig[/bold] wrote: So come on then, where are you going to put 2000 cars? Yes it is a pipe dream and someone on radio Leeds from the group couldn't answer the questions about funding and what bands they can get. You can't just get any band as they are tied to a company as l keep saying, some yes but not all. It was said they need some big nights 5/6 times a week, who can afford that at £30/40 a throw? She said it won't be ready till autumn 2017. That is if they get permission to borrow. I fear the council tax payer will pick up the tab in the future if they get the go ahead. Just sort the roof on the St Gworges and have done and make the council some money.[/p][/quote]I listened to that on the radio. I agree a concert hall / music venue is the way forward but this certainly will not be "world class" or even in the same division as the Leeds Arena. There is no way on earth Bradford can attract the big names appearing Leeds over the coming months in reality Ed Sheeran Lee Evans Il Divo John Bishop WWE Live Kasabian Bryan Adams The Who Michael Buble Madness Michael Mcintyre to name a few. Anyone that thinks this venue and city will attract this level of "celebrity" is kidding themselves. Its will mainly be mediocre middle of the road bands and bollywood performers. BCFC1911
  • Score: 4

12:32pm Wed 6 Aug 14

dutchuncle says...

Papa Smurfs Wig wrote:
So come on then, where are you going to put 2000 cars?

Yes it is a pipe dream and someone on radio Leeds from the group couldn't answer the questions about funding and what bands they can get. You can't just get any band as they are tied to a company as l keep saying, some yes but not all. It was said they need some big nights 5/6 times a week, who can afford that at £30/40 a throw? She said it won't be ready till autumn 2017. That is if they get permission to borrow.
I fear the council tax payer will pick up the tab in the future if they get the go ahead.
Just sort the roof on the St Gworges and have done and make the council some money.
Why on earth would you need 2000 car parking spaces? The vast majority of people will come by public transport or by taxi because (a) - the Odeon is bang in the centre of the City 10 mins walk from 2 mainline train stations, and (B) - people that go to gigs want to drink Alcohol.
[quote][p][bold]Papa Smurfs Wig[/bold] wrote: So come on then, where are you going to put 2000 cars? Yes it is a pipe dream and someone on radio Leeds from the group couldn't answer the questions about funding and what bands they can get. You can't just get any band as they are tied to a company as l keep saying, some yes but not all. It was said they need some big nights 5/6 times a week, who can afford that at £30/40 a throw? She said it won't be ready till autumn 2017. That is if they get permission to borrow. I fear the council tax payer will pick up the tab in the future if they get the go ahead. Just sort the roof on the St Gworges and have done and make the council some money.[/p][/quote]Why on earth would you need 2000 car parking spaces? The vast majority of people will come by public transport or by taxi because (a) - the Odeon is bang in the centre of the City 10 mins walk from 2 mainline train stations, and (B) - people that go to gigs want to drink Alcohol. dutchuncle
  • Score: 14

1:10pm Wed 6 Aug 14

MrQuinque says...

I posted this on the other article and I am going to post it again, there will be no parking issues for the general public attending gigs at the Odeon, just as there are no parking issues for people attending events at the Alhambra or St George's, the City Centre has a vast number of parking spaces used during the daytime but virtually empty at night, with even more due to come on stream with the Broadway development, do you really think that if there is demand the owners of facilities such as the 1300 spaces in the forster square retail park aren't going to take advantage of that opportunity?

Honestly, the only goal of some of the people here is to talk down this City while some of us do everything we can to inspire a little hope for the future.
I posted this on the other article and I am going to post it again, there will be no parking issues for the general public attending gigs at the Odeon, just as there are no parking issues for people attending events at the Alhambra or St George's, the City Centre has a vast number of parking spaces used during the daytime but virtually empty at night, with even more due to come on stream with the Broadway development, do you really think that if there is demand the owners of facilities such as the 1300 spaces in the forster square retail park aren't going to take advantage of that opportunity? Honestly, the only goal of some of the people here is to talk down this City while some of us do everything we can to inspire a little hope for the future. MrQuinque
  • Score: 19

1:46pm Wed 6 Aug 14

basil fawlty says...

BCFC1911 wrote:
Papa Smurfs Wig wrote: So come on then, where are you going to put 2000 cars? Yes it is a pipe dream and someone on radio Leeds from the group couldn't answer the questions about funding and what bands they can get. You can't just get any band as they are tied to a company as l keep saying, some yes but not all. It was said they need some big nights 5/6 times a week, who can afford that at £30/40 a throw? She said it won't be ready till autumn 2017. That is if they get permission to borrow. I fear the council tax payer will pick up the tab in the future if they get the go ahead. Just sort the roof on the St Gworges and have done and make the council some money.
I listened to that on the radio. I agree a concert hall / music venue is the way forward but this certainly will not be "world class" or even in the same division as the Leeds Arena. There is no way on earth Bradford can attract the big names appearing Leeds over the coming months in reality Ed Sheeran Lee Evans Il Divo John Bishop WWE Live Kasabian Bryan Adams The Who Michael Buble Madness Michael Mcintyre to name a few. Anyone that thinks this venue and city will attract this level of "celebrity" is kidding themselves. Its will mainly be mediocre middle of the road bands and bollywood performers.
Frankly you don't know what you are talking about. Manchester Apollo is the nearest mid-sized venue and has a capacity of 3500. Check out their calendar http://manchesterapo
llo.co.uk/
And Kasabian, who are arguably the biggest band in the UK at the moment, played at 02 Leeds not so long ago and they've got a capacity of 2300.
It is well known that even the largest bands particularly enjoy playing at the slightly smaller venues because of the better atmosphere.
[quote][p][bold]BCFC1911[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Papa Smurfs Wig[/bold] wrote: So come on then, where are you going to put 2000 cars? Yes it is a pipe dream and someone on radio Leeds from the group couldn't answer the questions about funding and what bands they can get. You can't just get any band as they are tied to a company as l keep saying, some yes but not all. It was said they need some big nights 5/6 times a week, who can afford that at £30/40 a throw? She said it won't be ready till autumn 2017. That is if they get permission to borrow. I fear the council tax payer will pick up the tab in the future if they get the go ahead. Just sort the roof on the St Gworges and have done and make the council some money.[/p][/quote]I listened to that on the radio. I agree a concert hall / music venue is the way forward but this certainly will not be "world class" or even in the same division as the Leeds Arena. There is no way on earth Bradford can attract the big names appearing Leeds over the coming months in reality Ed Sheeran Lee Evans Il Divo John Bishop WWE Live Kasabian Bryan Adams The Who Michael Buble Madness Michael Mcintyre to name a few. Anyone that thinks this venue and city will attract this level of "celebrity" is kidding themselves. Its will mainly be mediocre middle of the road bands and bollywood performers.[/p][/quote]Frankly you don't know what you are talking about. Manchester Apollo is the nearest mid-sized venue and has a capacity of 3500. Check out their calendar http://manchesterapo llo.co.uk/ And Kasabian, who are arguably the biggest band in the UK at the moment, played at 02 Leeds not so long ago and they've got a capacity of 2300. It is well known that even the largest bands particularly enjoy playing at the slightly smaller venues because of the better atmosphere. basil fawlty
  • Score: 18

1:58pm Wed 6 Aug 14

basil fawlty says...

Papa Smurfs Wig wrote:
So come on then, where are you going to put 2000 cars? Yes it is a pipe dream and someone on radio Leeds from the group couldn't answer the questions about funding and what bands they can get. You can't just get any band as they are tied to a company as l keep saying, some yes but not all. It was said they need some big nights 5/6 times a week, who can afford that at £30/40 a throw? She said it won't be ready till autumn 2017. That is if they get permission to borrow. I fear the council tax payer will pick up the tab in the future if they get the go ahead. Just sort the roof on the St Gworges and have done and make the council some money.
As stated above, parking wil take care of itself as the city centre is largely empty at night so there will be ample capacity.
The spokesperson on Radio Leeds said she wasn't at liberty to answer questions about funding at this stage but was confidenet that it would get built. The Radio Leeds interviewer was ridiculously negative, but that's par for the course from that station as far as Bradford is concerned.
The main benefit of the Bradford LIve plans are that they are proposing to build a mid sized venue as there is a niche between the typical locals halls at 1000 to 2000 capacity and the large 10000+ arenas. Bradford LIve have had discussions with promotors who they found to be very interested in the venue.
[quote][p][bold]Papa Smurfs Wig[/bold] wrote: So come on then, where are you going to put 2000 cars? Yes it is a pipe dream and someone on radio Leeds from the group couldn't answer the questions about funding and what bands they can get. You can't just get any band as they are tied to a company as l keep saying, some yes but not all. It was said they need some big nights 5/6 times a week, who can afford that at £30/40 a throw? She said it won't be ready till autumn 2017. That is if they get permission to borrow. I fear the council tax payer will pick up the tab in the future if they get the go ahead. Just sort the roof on the St Gworges and have done and make the council some money.[/p][/quote]As stated above, parking wil take care of itself as the city centre is largely empty at night so there will be ample capacity. The spokesperson on Radio Leeds said she wasn't at liberty to answer questions about funding at this stage but was confidenet that it would get built. The Radio Leeds interviewer was ridiculously negative, but that's par for the course from that station as far as Bradford is concerned. The main benefit of the Bradford LIve plans are that they are proposing to build a mid sized venue as there is a niche between the typical locals halls at 1000 to 2000 capacity and the large 10000+ arenas. Bradford LIve have had discussions with promotors who they found to be very interested in the venue. basil fawlty
  • Score: 12

2:24pm Wed 6 Aug 14

BCFC1911 says...

basil fawlty wrote:
BCFC1911 wrote:
Papa Smurfs Wig wrote: So come on then, where are you going to put 2000 cars? Yes it is a pipe dream and someone on radio Leeds from the group couldn't answer the questions about funding and what bands they can get. You can't just get any band as they are tied to a company as l keep saying, some yes but not all. It was said they need some big nights 5/6 times a week, who can afford that at £30/40 a throw? She said it won't be ready till autumn 2017. That is if they get permission to borrow. I fear the council tax payer will pick up the tab in the future if they get the go ahead. Just sort the roof on the St Gworges and have done and make the council some money.
I listened to that on the radio. I agree a concert hall / music venue is the way forward but this certainly will not be "world class" or even in the same division as the Leeds Arena. There is no way on earth Bradford can attract the big names appearing Leeds over the coming months in reality Ed Sheeran Lee Evans Il Divo John Bishop WWE Live Kasabian Bryan Adams The Who Michael Buble Madness Michael Mcintyre to name a few. Anyone that thinks this venue and city will attract this level of "celebrity" is kidding themselves. Its will mainly be mediocre middle of the road bands and bollywood performers.
Frankly you don't know what you are talking about. Manchester Apollo is the nearest mid-sized venue and has a capacity of 3500. Check out their calendar http://manchesterapo

llo.co.uk/
And Kasabian, who are arguably the biggest band in the UK at the moment, played at 02 Leeds not so long ago and they've got a capacity of 2300.
It is well known that even the largest bands particularly enjoy playing at the slightly smaller venues because of the better atmosphere.
Quite frankly neither do you

yes the Apollo in Manchester is small but bands play there for few reasons

1) Its Manchester and playing there because of their history and the music scene adds to image
2) Bands like Kasabian are playing there because of warming up for bigger shows like the MEN the day after.
3) The history of Manchester Apollo

Bands play the O2 in Leeds because of contractual agreements ( I know as I used to work for O2 Academy management) and even though they may state they are "doing for the love of smaller venues" in reality they are just fulfilling agreements as these gigs don't pay much money.

Yes Bradford can attract acts to perform but at best and in context to current bands it will be the likes of Bastille, Alex Clare, Embrace and the likes.

if you think you will get the same level of bands performing in Bradford as you do in Leeds you really are clueless
[quote][p][bold]basil fawlty[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]BCFC1911[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Papa Smurfs Wig[/bold] wrote: So come on then, where are you going to put 2000 cars? Yes it is a pipe dream and someone on radio Leeds from the group couldn't answer the questions about funding and what bands they can get. You can't just get any band as they are tied to a company as l keep saying, some yes but not all. It was said they need some big nights 5/6 times a week, who can afford that at £30/40 a throw? She said it won't be ready till autumn 2017. That is if they get permission to borrow. I fear the council tax payer will pick up the tab in the future if they get the go ahead. Just sort the roof on the St Gworges and have done and make the council some money.[/p][/quote]I listened to that on the radio. I agree a concert hall / music venue is the way forward but this certainly will not be "world class" or even in the same division as the Leeds Arena. There is no way on earth Bradford can attract the big names appearing Leeds over the coming months in reality Ed Sheeran Lee Evans Il Divo John Bishop WWE Live Kasabian Bryan Adams The Who Michael Buble Madness Michael Mcintyre to name a few. Anyone that thinks this venue and city will attract this level of "celebrity" is kidding themselves. Its will mainly be mediocre middle of the road bands and bollywood performers.[/p][/quote]Frankly you don't know what you are talking about. Manchester Apollo is the nearest mid-sized venue and has a capacity of 3500. Check out their calendar http://manchesterapo llo.co.uk/ And Kasabian, who are arguably the biggest band in the UK at the moment, played at 02 Leeds not so long ago and they've got a capacity of 2300. It is well known that even the largest bands particularly enjoy playing at the slightly smaller venues because of the better atmosphere.[/p][/quote]Quite frankly neither do you yes the Apollo in Manchester is small but bands play there for few reasons 1) Its Manchester and playing there because of their history and the music scene adds to image 2) Bands like Kasabian are playing there because of warming up for bigger shows like the MEN the day after. 3) The history of Manchester Apollo Bands play the O2 in Leeds because of contractual agreements ( I know as I used to work for O2 Academy management) and even though they may state they are "doing for the love of smaller venues" in reality they are just fulfilling agreements as these gigs don't pay much money. Yes Bradford can attract acts to perform but at best and in context to current bands it will be the likes of Bastille, Alex Clare, Embrace and the likes. if you think you will get the same level of bands performing in Bradford as you do in Leeds you really are clueless BCFC1911
  • Score: -5

2:32pm Wed 6 Aug 14

ever the optimist says...

This scheme will not be a success! St Georges has great acoustics but yet get very little in the way of bands and /or musicians. Why? Well the reason is this, bands are tied to contracts that mean that invariably they have to play at the 02 venues, hence why St Georges focus more on the stand up comics etc. Kasabian and bands of that ilk play small venues as warm up gigs again if you notice these are 02 venues, Leeds, Manchester, Sheffield etc all 02. Also didn't the Gas Works get middle of the road bands like ASH and Terrorvision when they were located close to the odeon? And didn't the council clamp down on the tour buses, roady and equipment vehicles unloading before and after gigs? This forced them to relocate back to Ivegate and employ the services of small local bands once more, if memory serves me well.

That being said I am an optimist and maybe just maybe the record companies will rip up the contracts, bands will sign up to play small unaffiliated venues. And the council will allow tour bus parking.
This scheme will not be a success! St Georges has great acoustics but yet get very little in the way of bands and /or musicians. Why? Well the reason is this, bands are tied to contracts that mean that invariably they have to play at the 02 venues, hence why St Georges focus more on the stand up comics etc. Kasabian and bands of that ilk play small venues as warm up gigs again if you notice these are 02 venues, Leeds, Manchester, Sheffield etc all 02. Also didn't the Gas Works get middle of the road bands like ASH and Terrorvision when they were located close to the odeon? And didn't the council clamp down on the tour buses, roady and equipment vehicles unloading before and after gigs? This forced them to relocate back to Ivegate and employ the services of small local bands once more, if memory serves me well. That being said I am an optimist and maybe just maybe the record companies will rip up the contracts, bands will sign up to play small unaffiliated venues. And the council will allow tour bus parking. ever the optimist
  • Score: 0

2:48pm Wed 6 Aug 14

bignozer says...

Fantastic news, I hope everyone will get behind this venture, I for one am willing to put my hand in my pocket and donate to help raise the funding required.
I also hope the T&A will now fully back the project, even though their plans to sell their building and move out of town and expand St Georges Hall now appear scuppered.
Fantastic news, I hope everyone will get behind this venture, I for one am willing to put my hand in my pocket and donate to help raise the funding required. I also hope the T&A will now fully back the project, even though their plans to sell their building and move out of town and expand St Georges Hall now appear scuppered. bignozer
  • Score: 6

2:56pm Wed 6 Aug 14

Out of site says...

Never mind car parks,where are all the camels going to be put.
Never mind car parks,where are all the camels going to be put. Out of site
  • Score: -9

3:13pm Wed 6 Aug 14

undercliffebantam says...

Knock down the Odeon, use it as a car park. Its an awful building. We already have St Georges Hall. Bradford doesn't need another concert venue. If we want to see decent bands we go to Leeds, Sheffield or Manchester.
Knock down the Odeon, use it as a car park. Its an awful building. We already have St Georges Hall. Bradford doesn't need another concert venue. If we want to see decent bands we go to Leeds, Sheffield or Manchester. undercliffebantam
  • Score: -21

3:23pm Wed 6 Aug 14

MrQuinque says...

undercliffebantam wrote:
Knock down the Odeon, use it as a car park. Its an awful building. We already have St Georges Hall. Bradford doesn't need another concert venue. If we want to see decent bands we go to Leeds, Sheffield or Manchester.
It doesn't matter how many times you suggest this, it isn't going to happen, some of us believe that our City has the ability to stand shoulder to shoulder with other large Cities and not simply rely on them to provide our retail and entertainment locations. There is no reason that Bradford cannot support a 4000 capacity venue just as there is no reason for the National Media Museum to leave the city despite what some would have you believe.

The negativity shown in these comments are a big part of why this City has fallen so far, if you people hate Bradford so much why don't you move to Leeds or Sheffield or Manchester?
[quote][p][bold]undercliffebantam[/bold] wrote: Knock down the Odeon, use it as a car park. Its an awful building. We already have St Georges Hall. Bradford doesn't need another concert venue. If we want to see decent bands we go to Leeds, Sheffield or Manchester.[/p][/quote]It doesn't matter how many times you suggest this, it isn't going to happen, some of us believe that our City has the ability to stand shoulder to shoulder with other large Cities and not simply rely on them to provide our retail and entertainment locations. There is no reason that Bradford cannot support a 4000 capacity venue just as there is no reason for the National Media Museum to leave the city despite what some would have you believe. The negativity shown in these comments are a big part of why this City has fallen so far, if you people hate Bradford so much why don't you move to Leeds or Sheffield or Manchester? MrQuinque
  • Score: 17

3:28pm Wed 6 Aug 14

fedupwiththeBS says...

I for one wish them all the success possible.

there are bands that can and will fill that that would love to play Bradford; our very own New Model Army for one who have to play Holmefirth as a home venue as there is nowhere else near.

I also hear that there are plans to refurbish and open the walkabout complex into three top end bars as an alternative to having to go to Leeds.
I for one wish them all the success possible. there are bands that can and will fill that that would love to play Bradford; our very own New Model Army for one who have to play Holmefirth as a home venue as there is nowhere else near. I also hear that there are plans to refurbish and open the walkabout complex into three top end bars as an alternative to having to go to Leeds. fedupwiththeBS
  • Score: 10

5:02pm Wed 6 Aug 14

Eccybantam says...

Holmfirth picturedrome gets people from Sheffield, Hudds, Leeds, and
Bradford, etc, and caters for bands who pull about 1000 people, there aren't many bands who pull between that level and stadium acts. I can't see a Bradford venue pulling that kind of act 5 times a week.
I think the council already know this, and they will be happy to turn it into another hotel.
Holmfirth picturedrome gets people from Sheffield, Hudds, Leeds, and Bradford, etc, and caters for bands who pull about 1000 people, there aren't many bands who pull between that level and stadium acts. I can't see a Bradford venue pulling that kind of act 5 times a week. I think the council already know this, and they will be happy to turn it into another hotel. Eccybantam
  • Score: -4

5:34pm Wed 6 Aug 14

llos25 says...

I went to two shows in Germany to see a British artist and a German one the venue was sold out it holds 30,000 people and there is no car park.The venue is in the city centre people park on the outskirts and come by public transport what could be easier.So parking is not a problem the number the venue holds is anywhere less than 10,000 then both artists are not interested there is not enough money.
I went to two shows in Germany to see a British artist and a German one the venue was sold out it holds 30,000 people and there is no car park.The venue is in the city centre people park on the outskirts and come by public transport what could be easier.So parking is not a problem the number the venue holds is anywhere less than 10,000 then both artists are not interested there is not enough money. llos25
  • Score: 3

6:42pm Wed 6 Aug 14

basil fawlty says...

BCFC1911 wrote:
basil fawlty wrote:
BCFC1911 wrote:
Papa Smurfs Wig wrote: So come on then, where are you going to put 2000 cars? Yes it is a pipe dream and someone on radio Leeds from the group couldn't answer the questions about funding and what bands they can get. You can't just get any band as they are tied to a company as l keep saying, some yes but not all. It was said they need some big nights 5/6 times a week, who can afford that at £30/40 a throw? She said it won't be ready till autumn 2017. That is if they get permission to borrow. I fear the council tax payer will pick up the tab in the future if they get the go ahead. Just sort the roof on the St Gworges and have done and make the council some money.
I listened to that on the radio. I agree a concert hall / music venue is the way forward but this certainly will not be "world class" or even in the same division as the Leeds Arena. There is no way on earth Bradford can attract the big names appearing Leeds over the coming months in reality Ed Sheeran Lee Evans Il Divo John Bishop WWE Live Kasabian Bryan Adams The Who Michael Buble Madness Michael Mcintyre to name a few. Anyone that thinks this venue and city will attract this level of "celebrity" is kidding themselves. Its will mainly be mediocre middle of the road bands and bollywood performers.
Frankly you don't know what you are talking about. Manchester Apollo is the nearest mid-sized venue and has a capacity of 3500. Check out their calendar http://manchesterapo llo.co.uk/ And Kasabian, who are arguably the biggest band in the UK at the moment, played at 02 Leeds not so long ago and they've got a capacity of 2300. It is well known that even the largest bands particularly enjoy playing at the slightly smaller venues because of the better atmosphere.
Quite frankly neither do you yes the Apollo in Manchester is small but bands play there for few reasons 1) Its Manchester and playing there because of their history and the music scene adds to image 2) Bands like Kasabian are playing there because of warming up for bigger shows like the MEN the day after. 3) The history of Manchester Apollo Bands play the O2 in Leeds because of contractual agreements ( I know as I used to work for O2 Academy management) and even though they may state they are "doing for the love of smaller venues" in reality they are just fulfilling agreements as these gigs don't pay much money. Yes Bradford can attract acts to perform but at best and in context to current bands it will be the likes of Bastille, Alex Clare, Embrace and the likes. if you think you will get the same level of bands performing in Bradford as you do in Leeds you really are clueless
Nobody has said that the Odeon is going to attract exactly the same level of bands as the Leeds Arena, but then again some of the biggest acts may well fancy the Odeon. And whoever plays at the Odeon will be a massive improvement on the bands that currently play in Bradford which is practically zilch! The bottom line is that Bradford LIve have had discussions with promoters and have received positive feedback. It will be great when for once us Bradford folk dont have to travel all over the north of England to see bands and when for once we see outsiders coming into the city like they used to do.
[quote][p][bold]BCFC1911[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]basil fawlty[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]BCFC1911[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Papa Smurfs Wig[/bold] wrote: So come on then, where are you going to put 2000 cars? Yes it is a pipe dream and someone on radio Leeds from the group couldn't answer the questions about funding and what bands they can get. You can't just get any band as they are tied to a company as l keep saying, some yes but not all. It was said they need some big nights 5/6 times a week, who can afford that at £30/40 a throw? She said it won't be ready till autumn 2017. That is if they get permission to borrow. I fear the council tax payer will pick up the tab in the future if they get the go ahead. Just sort the roof on the St Gworges and have done and make the council some money.[/p][/quote]I listened to that on the radio. I agree a concert hall / music venue is the way forward but this certainly will not be "world class" or even in the same division as the Leeds Arena. There is no way on earth Bradford can attract the big names appearing Leeds over the coming months in reality Ed Sheeran Lee Evans Il Divo John Bishop WWE Live Kasabian Bryan Adams The Who Michael Buble Madness Michael Mcintyre to name a few. Anyone that thinks this venue and city will attract this level of "celebrity" is kidding themselves. Its will mainly be mediocre middle of the road bands and bollywood performers.[/p][/quote]Frankly you don't know what you are talking about. Manchester Apollo is the nearest mid-sized venue and has a capacity of 3500. Check out their calendar http://manchesterapo llo.co.uk/ And Kasabian, who are arguably the biggest band in the UK at the moment, played at 02 Leeds not so long ago and they've got a capacity of 2300. It is well known that even the largest bands particularly enjoy playing at the slightly smaller venues because of the better atmosphere.[/p][/quote]Quite frankly neither do you yes the Apollo in Manchester is small but bands play there for few reasons 1) Its Manchester and playing there because of their history and the music scene adds to image 2) Bands like Kasabian are playing there because of warming up for bigger shows like the MEN the day after. 3) The history of Manchester Apollo Bands play the O2 in Leeds because of contractual agreements ( I know as I used to work for O2 Academy management) and even though they may state they are "doing for the love of smaller venues" in reality they are just fulfilling agreements as these gigs don't pay much money. Yes Bradford can attract acts to perform but at best and in context to current bands it will be the likes of Bastille, Alex Clare, Embrace and the likes. if you think you will get the same level of bands performing in Bradford as you do in Leeds you really are clueless[/p][/quote]Nobody has said that the Odeon is going to attract exactly the same level of bands as the Leeds Arena, but then again some of the biggest acts may well fancy the Odeon. And whoever plays at the Odeon will be a massive improvement on the bands that currently play in Bradford which is practically zilch! The bottom line is that Bradford LIve have had discussions with promoters and have received positive feedback. It will be great when for once us Bradford folk dont have to travel all over the north of England to see bands and when for once we see outsiders coming into the city like they used to do. basil fawlty
  • Score: 8

7:00pm Wed 6 Aug 14

SinnerSaint says...

The perception of Bradford from the outside is never going to change. There are some big reasons why industry avoids it like the plague and ordinary people do the same.

Those reasons are NEVER going away - in fact the main problem is growing - so Bradford is Donald Ducked.
The perception of Bradford from the outside is never going to change. There are some big reasons why industry avoids it like the plague and ordinary people do the same. Those reasons are NEVER going away - in fact the main problem is growing - so Bradford is Donald Ducked. SinnerSaint
  • Score: -3

7:44pm Wed 6 Aug 14

Wanna Have says...

Fantastic news,hope it comes off.
Fantastic news,hope it comes off. Wanna Have
  • Score: 10

7:47pm Wed 6 Aug 14

Wanna Have says...

undercliffebantam wrote:
Knock down the Odeon, use it as a car park. Its an awful building. We already have St Georges Hall. Bradford doesn't need another concert venue. If we want to see decent bands we go to Leeds, Sheffield or Manchester.
Rubbish,great building 1977 star wars premier,queue's for miles,disco ball projecting stars onto the cavernous walls,what a place.you can't manufacture the atmosphere that place has.
[quote][p][bold]undercliffebantam[/bold] wrote: Knock down the Odeon, use it as a car park. Its an awful building. We already have St Georges Hall. Bradford doesn't need another concert venue. If we want to see decent bands we go to Leeds, Sheffield or Manchester.[/p][/quote]Rubbish,great building 1977 star wars premier,queue's for miles,disco ball projecting stars onto the cavernous walls,what a place.you can't manufacture the atmosphere that place has. Wanna Have
  • Score: 8

8:48pm Wed 6 Aug 14

micela22 says...

seen loads of great groups / comedians at St Georges, many like the ambience because it isn`t a massive arena & is more personal. Take a blueprint from The Lowry, they showcase large names & also local talent / new shows and are reasonably priced to attract people who will pay to see a variety of shows rather than having to pay London prices to see one show. Maybe it could be a venue that attracts and caters for all sections of the community?
seen loads of great groups / comedians at St Georges, many like the ambience because it isn`t a massive arena & is more personal. Take a blueprint from The Lowry, they showcase large names & also local talent / new shows and are reasonably priced to attract people who will pay to see a variety of shows rather than having to pay London prices to see one show. Maybe it could be a venue that attracts and caters for all sections of the community? micela22
  • Score: 5

9:04pm Wed 6 Aug 14

Bradford56 says...

Excellent news! I'm in full support of this. It's such a shame we still have all the usual negative idiots who can't be positive about our up and coming City. It was great once before and it can be again.
Excellent news! I'm in full support of this. It's such a shame we still have all the usual negative idiots who can't be positive about our up and coming City. It was great once before and it can be again. Bradford56
  • Score: 7

9:15pm Wed 6 Aug 14

schroeder says...

OLDLAD wrote:
Biggest problem with a music venue is where will the public park their vehicles that would be safe? Road infrastructure is also another big problem.
There's an NCP multi storey car park just across the road! and another one less than a 5 mins walk away!
[quote][p][bold]OLDLAD[/bold] wrote: Biggest problem with a music venue is where will the public park their vehicles that would be safe? Road infrastructure is also another big problem.[/p][/quote]There's an NCP multi storey car park just across the road! and another one less than a 5 mins walk away! schroeder
  • Score: 5

9:37pm Wed 6 Aug 14

MrQuinque says...

SinnerSaint wrote:
The perception of Bradford from the outside is never going to change. There are some big reasons why industry avoids it like the plague and ordinary people do the same.

Those reasons are NEVER going away - in fact the main problem is growing - so Bradford is Donald Ducked.
Industry like M&S who built a giant distribution centre in the city ? The reasons why industry avoid Bradford are miserable pessimists like you, We have Westfield moving again, we have the Uni and college pumping in millions, more investment in Sunbridge wells, even more in the Arndale house redevelopment, and now the Odeon, and yet you still complain, I guess you never noticed all the stalled projects, empty plots and dilapidated shops in Leeds before the recent resugence?

I'll say it again, if you have such a dim view of this City, why are you still here?
[quote][p][bold]SinnerSaint[/bold] wrote: The perception of Bradford from the outside is never going to change. There are some big reasons why industry avoids it like the plague and ordinary people do the same. Those reasons are NEVER going away - in fact the main problem is growing - so Bradford is Donald Ducked.[/p][/quote]Industry like M&S who built a giant distribution centre in the city ? The reasons why industry avoid Bradford are miserable pessimists like you, We have Westfield moving again, we have the Uni and college pumping in millions, more investment in Sunbridge wells, even more in the Arndale house redevelopment, and now the Odeon, and yet you still complain, I guess you never noticed all the stalled projects, empty plots and dilapidated shops in Leeds before the recent resugence? I'll say it again, if you have such a dim view of this City, why are you still here? MrQuinque
  • Score: 2

9:41pm Wed 6 Aug 14

llos25 says...

If you read the post properly which I do not think you did it says "safe".the car parks you quote are no go areas in the evening.
If you read the post properly which I do not think you did it says "safe".the car parks you quote are no go areas in the evening. llos25
  • Score: 1

11:13pm Wed 6 Aug 14

still got a pulse says...

Not happy at all about this decision by the council.
Want to see their justification for choosing a scheme that is relying on private funding, which will only be available to a paying patronage on a very limited time scale.
Rather than a scheme that would open up the building for at least 7 days a week for access by the community in general, with excellent links to the university (which is thriving!), and which could have very close capacity to the successful bidder.
I suspect this could be down to a clash of personalities/intere
sts rather than for the greater good of the citizens of our city. Time will tell.
Not happy at all about this decision by the council. Want to see their justification for choosing a scheme that is relying on private funding, which will only be available to a paying patronage on a very limited time scale. Rather than a scheme that would open up the building for at least 7 days a week for access by the community in general, with excellent links to the university (which is thriving!), and which could have very close capacity to the successful bidder. I suspect this could be down to a clash of personalities/intere sts rather than for the greater good of the citizens of our city. Time will tell. still got a pulse
  • Score: -4

12:28am Thu 7 Aug 14

MrQuinque says...

still got a pulse wrote:
Not happy at all about this decision by the council.
Want to see their justification for choosing a scheme that is relying on private funding, which will only be available to a paying patronage on a very limited time scale.
Rather than a scheme that would open up the building for at least 7 days a week for access by the community in general, with excellent links to the university (which is thriving!), and which could have very close capacity to the successful bidder.
I suspect this could be down to a clash of personalities/intere

sts rather than for the greater good of the citizens of our city. Time will tell.
How about the fact that sticking a community centre inside what is supposed to be a commercial concern is a stupid idea (How many community spaces do you know with 5 bars?), that Bradford One has never shown the ability to raise anywhere near the kind of money required to refurb the building (Only getting together the cash to even submit their bid with a few days until the deadline), that they decided that they wanted to stick a residential block right next door to place which would be holding late night live music events (even after a similar proposal was refused planning just 50 yards away), that they decided that the Ballroom and restaurant should become retail space in a city already overprovisioned in that regard, that they wanted to rip the entire front off the building and replace it with glass, that their whole plan rested on being given the Odeon for nothing or perhaps that every time anyone tried to tell them about the shortcomings of their plan they were treated rudely and had their opinions studiously ignored.

The greater good for the citizens of our City is a proposal which actually comes to fruition, which Bradford Live has always had the better chance of doing so, so much so in fact that just a few months ago Bradford One were asking for a merger, which shows just how much confidence they had in their own scheme making the grade.
[quote][p][bold]still got a pulse[/bold] wrote: Not happy at all about this decision by the council. Want to see their justification for choosing a scheme that is relying on private funding, which will only be available to a paying patronage on a very limited time scale. Rather than a scheme that would open up the building for at least 7 days a week for access by the community in general, with excellent links to the university (which is thriving!), and which could have very close capacity to the successful bidder. I suspect this could be down to a clash of personalities/intere sts rather than for the greater good of the citizens of our city. Time will tell.[/p][/quote]How about the fact that sticking a community centre inside what is supposed to be a commercial concern is a stupid idea (How many community spaces do you know with 5 bars?), that Bradford One has never shown the ability to raise anywhere near the kind of money required to refurb the building (Only getting together the cash to even submit their bid with a few days until the deadline), that they decided that they wanted to stick a residential block right next door to place which would be holding late night live music events (even after a similar proposal was refused planning just 50 yards away), that they decided that the Ballroom and restaurant should become retail space in a city already overprovisioned in that regard, that they wanted to rip the entire front off the building and replace it with glass, that their whole plan rested on being given the Odeon for nothing or perhaps that every time anyone tried to tell them about the shortcomings of their plan they were treated rudely and had their opinions studiously ignored. The greater good for the citizens of our City is a proposal which actually comes to fruition, which Bradford Live has always had the better chance of doing so, so much so in fact that just a few months ago Bradford One were asking for a merger, which shows just how much confidence they had in their own scheme making the grade. MrQuinque
  • Score: 13

8:00am Thu 7 Aug 14

SinnerSaint says...

MrQuinque wrote:
SinnerSaint wrote:
The perception of Bradford from the outside is never going to change. There are some big reasons why industry avoids it like the plague and ordinary people do the same.

Those reasons are NEVER going away - in fact the main problem is growing - so Bradford is Donald Ducked.
Industry like M&S who built a giant distribution centre in the city ? The reasons why industry avoid Bradford are miserable pessimists like you, We have Westfield moving again, we have the Uni and college pumping in millions, more investment in Sunbridge wells, even more in the Arndale house redevelopment, and now the Odeon, and yet you still complain, I guess you never noticed all the stalled projects, empty plots and dilapidated shops in Leeds before the recent resugence?

I'll say it again, if you have such a dim view of this City, why are you still here?
You've contradicted yourself a few times there haven't you?! Oh dear, where to start.

Industry avoids Bradford because of miserable pessimists like me? No, no, no! Industry avoids Bradford because it wouldn't impose the unpleasant issues Bradford has on it's employees and because any investment here would be a gamble, pure and simple.

Some gambles don't pay off, like the Gatehaus block of flats in Little Germany where speculators and landlords have lost a fortune and it's now rife with drug dealers and criminals.

The only way Bradford can thrive again is by attracting private investment and visitors from outside. This isn't going to happen, Bradford has shot it's bolt. The significantly scaled down Westfield (which they don't even mention on their corporate website) isn't going to be the saviour of the city centre that a lot of plonkers like you envisage.

I do in a way admire your almost pathetic optimism however.
[quote][p][bold]MrQuinque[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]SinnerSaint[/bold] wrote: The perception of Bradford from the outside is never going to change. There are some big reasons why industry avoids it like the plague and ordinary people do the same. Those reasons are NEVER going away - in fact the main problem is growing - so Bradford is Donald Ducked.[/p][/quote]Industry like M&S who built a giant distribution centre in the city ? The reasons why industry avoid Bradford are miserable pessimists like you, We have Westfield moving again, we have the Uni and college pumping in millions, more investment in Sunbridge wells, even more in the Arndale house redevelopment, and now the Odeon, and yet you still complain, I guess you never noticed all the stalled projects, empty plots and dilapidated shops in Leeds before the recent resugence? I'll say it again, if you have such a dim view of this City, why are you still here?[/p][/quote]You've contradicted yourself a few times there haven't you?! Oh dear, where to start. Industry avoids Bradford because of miserable pessimists like me? No, no, no! Industry avoids Bradford because it wouldn't impose the unpleasant issues Bradford has on it's employees and because any investment here would be a gamble, pure and simple. Some gambles don't pay off, like the Gatehaus block of flats in Little Germany where speculators and landlords have lost a fortune and it's now rife with drug dealers and criminals. The only way Bradford can thrive again is by attracting private investment and visitors from outside. This isn't going to happen, Bradford has shot it's bolt. The significantly scaled down Westfield (which they don't even mention on their corporate website) isn't going to be the saviour of the city centre that a lot of plonkers like you envisage. I do in a way admire your almost pathetic optimism however. SinnerSaint
  • Score: 8

8:31am Thu 7 Aug 14

SinnerSaint says...

And talking about the Marks and Spencer distribution centre is as bad as the people that say the Tour de France came through Bradford!!
And talking about the Marks and Spencer distribution centre is as bad as the people that say the Tour de France came through Bradford!! SinnerSaint
  • Score: 5

10:18am Thu 7 Aug 14

bcfc1903 says...

There are many many world class artists that could and would play Bradford Live. I'm sure bands such as Gov't Mule or just Warren Haynes doing a solo gig, Joe Bonamassa, Paul Rodgers, Sinead O'Connor, Jessie J, Lissie, Ellie Goulding, John Mayer, John Newman, Joe Satriani, Lily Allen, Vanessa Carlton, Bat For Lashes, James Blunt, Joanne Shaw Taylor, The Kooks, Show of Hands, First Aid Kit, Seth Lakeman, Marl Knopfler and many many more that are brilliant but have yet to get popular enough to be able fill arenas. You could also get an arena band/artist to open a world class facility such as Bradford Live.

I digress but take in a sneaky peak tour of City Hall, what a magnificent building that is and follow that up by taking a walk around Little Germany, breath taking architecture, then as we did yesterday finish the tour of Bradford by taking in a relaxing coffee at the Wool Exchange.
There are many many world class artists that could and would play Bradford Live. I'm sure bands such as Gov't Mule or just Warren Haynes doing a solo gig, Joe Bonamassa, Paul Rodgers, Sinead O'Connor, Jessie J, Lissie, Ellie Goulding, John Mayer, John Newman, Joe Satriani, Lily Allen, Vanessa Carlton, Bat For Lashes, James Blunt, Joanne Shaw Taylor, The Kooks, Show of Hands, First Aid Kit, Seth Lakeman, Marl Knopfler and many many more that are brilliant but have yet to get popular enough to be able fill arenas. You could also get an arena band/artist to open a world class facility such as Bradford Live. I digress but take in a sneaky peak tour of City Hall, what a magnificent building that is and follow that up by taking a walk around Little Germany, breath taking architecture, then as we did yesterday finish the tour of Bradford by taking in a relaxing coffee at the Wool Exchange. bcfc1903
  • Score: 3

1:01pm Thu 7 Aug 14

beam14 says...

Papa Smurfs Wig wrote:
So come on then, where are you going to put 2000 cars?

Yes it is a pipe dream and someone on radio Leeds from the group couldn't answer the questions about funding and what bands they can get. You can't just get any band as they are tied to a company as l keep saying, some yes but not all. It was said they need some big nights 5/6 times a week, who can afford that at £30/40 a throw? She said it won't be ready till autumn 2017. That is if they get permission to borrow.
I fear the council tax payer will pick up the tab in the future if they get the go ahead.
Just sort the roof on the St Gworges and have done and make the council some money.
i go to gigs at least once every couple of months and not once have i ever driven there! I'd say maybe 5% of gig goers, if not less would drive there in their own car.
[quote][p][bold]Papa Smurfs Wig[/bold] wrote: So come on then, where are you going to put 2000 cars? Yes it is a pipe dream and someone on radio Leeds from the group couldn't answer the questions about funding and what bands they can get. You can't just get any band as they are tied to a company as l keep saying, some yes but not all. It was said they need some big nights 5/6 times a week, who can afford that at £30/40 a throw? She said it won't be ready till autumn 2017. That is if they get permission to borrow. I fear the council tax payer will pick up the tab in the future if they get the go ahead. Just sort the roof on the St Gworges and have done and make the council some money.[/p][/quote]i go to gigs at least once every couple of months and not once have i ever driven there! I'd say maybe 5% of gig goers, if not less would drive there in their own car. beam14
  • Score: 2

2:11pm Thu 7 Aug 14

Papa Smurfs Wig says...

Some of these dreamers should all get together and form a Bradford version of the Muppets. They really don't have a clue.
You have BCFC1903 who many of us think is earring boy who mentions a bunch of acts. So then seeing as you don't really get that most acts worth their salt are tied to Clear Channel, how many of these acts are not tied?
Some grt a six month tie when they tour here meaning this place won't get them and to say the venue needs 5/6 big nights a week, who are these acts that are free of tie?
One positive is that if they get the go ahead and if it fails then no doubt the council will have a ready made venue so they can make it into an Asian wedding venue, just get eid of the seats or......they can let it out free for South Asian dancing for the council tax payers to pick up the tab.
Some of these dreamers should all get together and form a Bradford version of the Muppets. They really don't have a clue. You have BCFC1903 who many of us think is earring boy who mentions a bunch of acts. So then seeing as you don't really get that most acts worth their salt are tied to Clear Channel, how many of these acts are not tied? Some grt a six month tie when they tour here meaning this place won't get them and to say the venue needs 5/6 big nights a week, who are these acts that are free of tie? One positive is that if they get the go ahead and if it fails then no doubt the council will have a ready made venue so they can make it into an Asian wedding venue, just get eid of the seats or......they can let it out free for South Asian dancing for the council tax payers to pick up the tab. Papa Smurfs Wig
  • Score: -1

2:13pm Thu 7 Aug 14

SinnerSaint says...

If you've never driven to a gig at the Manchester Arena then you wouldn't understand what a nightmare it is getting out of the arena car park afterwards along with nearly a thousand other cars. That's just ONE car park, there are loads of others nearby, all pretty much full.

But sure - only 5% of people go in their own cars....
If you've never driven to a gig at the Manchester Arena then you wouldn't understand what a nightmare it is getting out of the arena car park afterwards along with nearly a thousand other cars. That's just ONE car park, there are loads of others nearby, all pretty much full. But sure - only 5% of people go in their own cars.... SinnerSaint
  • Score: 0

2:36pm Thu 7 Aug 14

rustynutz says...

MrQuinque wrote:
still got a pulse wrote:
Not happy at all about this decision by the council.
Want to see their justification for choosing a scheme that is relying on private funding, which will only be available to a paying patronage on a very limited time scale.
Rather than a scheme that would open up the building for at least 7 days a week for access by the community in general, with excellent links to the university (which is thriving!), and which could have very close capacity to the successful bidder.
I suspect this could be down to a clash of personalities/intere


sts rather than for the greater good of the citizens of our city. Time will tell.
How about the fact that sticking a community centre inside what is supposed to be a commercial concern is a stupid idea (How many community spaces do you know with 5 bars?), that Bradford One has never shown the ability to raise anywhere near the kind of money required to refurb the building (Only getting together the cash to even submit their bid with a few days until the deadline), that they decided that they wanted to stick a residential block right next door to place which would be holding late night live music events (even after a similar proposal was refused planning just 50 yards away), that they decided that the Ballroom and restaurant should become retail space in a city already overprovisioned in that regard, that they wanted to rip the entire front off the building and replace it with glass, that their whole plan rested on being given the Odeon for nothing or perhaps that every time anyone tried to tell them about the shortcomings of their plan they were treated rudely and had their opinions studiously ignored.

The greater good for the citizens of our City is a proposal which actually comes to fruition, which Bradford Live has always had the better chance of doing so, so much so in fact that just a few months ago Bradford One were asking for a merger, which shows just how much confidence they had in their own scheme making the grade.
Quinque speaks the truth. The loser Bradford 1 was never going to be taken seriously by the council with its open all hours, funding draining half cocked idea. Now that they have been knocked out of the running are they going to give members back tbe moneys they conned out of them? Give it back mr seemour. Thank god a brill building will be spared the face painting hippy festival plans of bradford 1. There are plenty of run down vegan cafes in the shadowy areas of town for these drop outs to knit hippy woolys in all day. Lets get some life back into our ghost town at night, not a community grand republic lentil soup kitchen full of jsa dogooders with beards and Steve Hillage tshirts. I thank this council of ours.
[quote][p][bold]MrQuinque[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]still got a pulse[/bold] wrote: Not happy at all about this decision by the council. Want to see their justification for choosing a scheme that is relying on private funding, which will only be available to a paying patronage on a very limited time scale. Rather than a scheme that would open up the building for at least 7 days a week for access by the community in general, with excellent links to the university (which is thriving!), and which could have very close capacity to the successful bidder. I suspect this could be down to a clash of personalities/intere sts rather than for the greater good of the citizens of our city. Time will tell.[/p][/quote]How about the fact that sticking a community centre inside what is supposed to be a commercial concern is a stupid idea (How many community spaces do you know with 5 bars?), that Bradford One has never shown the ability to raise anywhere near the kind of money required to refurb the building (Only getting together the cash to even submit their bid with a few days until the deadline), that they decided that they wanted to stick a residential block right next door to place which would be holding late night live music events (even after a similar proposal was refused planning just 50 yards away), that they decided that the Ballroom and restaurant should become retail space in a city already overprovisioned in that regard, that they wanted to rip the entire front off the building and replace it with glass, that their whole plan rested on being given the Odeon for nothing or perhaps that every time anyone tried to tell them about the shortcomings of their plan they were treated rudely and had their opinions studiously ignored. The greater good for the citizens of our City is a proposal which actually comes to fruition, which Bradford Live has always had the better chance of doing so, so much so in fact that just a few months ago Bradford One were asking for a merger, which shows just how much confidence they had in their own scheme making the grade.[/p][/quote]Quinque speaks the truth. The loser Bradford 1 was never going to be taken seriously by the council with its open all hours, funding draining half cocked idea. Now that they have been knocked out of the running are they going to give members back tbe moneys they conned out of them? Give it back mr seemour. Thank god a brill building will be spared the face painting hippy festival plans of bradford 1. There are plenty of run down vegan cafes in the shadowy areas of town for these drop outs to knit hippy woolys in all day. Lets get some life back into our ghost town at night, not a community grand republic lentil soup kitchen full of jsa dogooders with beards and Steve Hillage tshirts. I thank this council of ours. rustynutz
  • Score: 2

2:46pm Thu 7 Aug 14

johnh1 says...

Idlesteve wrote:
So negative the comments! Some people just are not happy with anything. Sad losers :-)
We are realists not losers, your a fool,
All the false dawns and still you never learn.
[quote][p][bold]Idlesteve[/bold] wrote: So negative the comments! Some people just are not happy with anything. Sad losers :-)[/p][/quote]We are realists not losers, your a fool, All the false dawns and still you never learn. johnh1
  • Score: 3

3:03pm Thu 7 Aug 14

DCarbz says...

I hope it goes ahead on time and that SMOKIE are booked to be the first act to appear.
I just think that they may outlive First Direction somehow.
I hope it goes ahead on time and that SMOKIE are booked to be the first act to appear. I just think that they may outlive First Direction somehow. DCarbz
  • Score: 3

4:16pm Thu 7 Aug 14

BCFC1911 says...

bcfc1903 wrote:
There are many many world class artists that could and would play Bradford Live. I'm sure bands such as Gov't Mule or just Warren Haynes doing a solo gig, Joe Bonamassa, Paul Rodgers, Sinead O'Connor, Jessie J, Lissie, Ellie Goulding, John Mayer, John Newman, Joe Satriani, Lily Allen, Vanessa Carlton, Bat For Lashes, James Blunt, Joanne Shaw Taylor, The Kooks, Show of Hands, First Aid Kit, Seth Lakeman, Marl Knopfler and many many more that are brilliant but have yet to get popular enough to be able fill arenas. You could also get an arena band/artist to open a world class facility such as Bradford Live.

I digress but take in a sneaky peak tour of City Hall, what a magnificent building that is and follow that up by taking a walk around Little Germany, breath taking architecture, then as we did yesterday finish the tour of Bradford by taking in a relaxing coffee at the Wool Exchange.
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"I digress but take in a sneaky peak tour of City Hall, what a magnificent building that is, full of greedy backstabbing, brown envelope holding Councillors and town hall employees with no idea of what job they actually do. Follow that up by taking a walk around Little Germany, breath taking architecture, drugs available on every street corner and now some ladies to entertain gentlemen. Should they get bored then after finishing the tour of Little Germany's drug production and cutting apartments they can finish the tour of Bradford by taking in a relaxing coffee at the Wool Exchange after fighting through the crowds of beggars and alcoholics
[quote][p][bold]bcfc1903[/bold] wrote: There are many many world class artists that could and would play Bradford Live. I'm sure bands such as Gov't Mule or just Warren Haynes doing a solo gig, Joe Bonamassa, Paul Rodgers, Sinead O'Connor, Jessie J, Lissie, Ellie Goulding, John Mayer, John Newman, Joe Satriani, Lily Allen, Vanessa Carlton, Bat For Lashes, James Blunt, Joanne Shaw Taylor, The Kooks, Show of Hands, First Aid Kit, Seth Lakeman, Marl Knopfler and many many more that are brilliant but have yet to get popular enough to be able fill arenas. You could also get an arena band/artist to open a world class facility such as Bradford Live. I digress but take in a sneaky peak tour of City Hall, what a magnificent building that is and follow that up by taking a walk around Little Germany, breath taking architecture, then as we did yesterday finish the tour of Bradford by taking in a relaxing coffee at the Wool Exchange.[/p][/quote]Corrected for truth "I digress but take in a sneaky peak tour of City Hall, what a magnificent building that is, full of greedy backstabbing, brown envelope holding Councillors and town hall employees with no idea of what job they actually do. Follow that up by taking a walk around Little Germany, breath taking architecture, drugs available on every street corner and now some ladies to entertain gentlemen. Should they get bored then after finishing the tour of Little Germany's drug production and cutting apartments they can finish the tour of Bradford by taking in a relaxing coffee at the Wool Exchange after fighting through the crowds of beggars and alcoholics BCFC1911
  • Score: 3

4:31pm Thu 7 Aug 14

bcfc1903 says...

BCFC1911 wrote:
bcfc1903 wrote:
There are many many world class artists that could and would play Bradford Live. I'm sure bands such as Gov't Mule or just Warren Haynes doing a solo gig, Joe Bonamassa, Paul Rodgers, Sinead O'Connor, Jessie J, Lissie, Ellie Goulding, John Mayer, John Newman, Joe Satriani, Lily Allen, Vanessa Carlton, Bat For Lashes, James Blunt, Joanne Shaw Taylor, The Kooks, Show of Hands, First Aid Kit, Seth Lakeman, Marl Knopfler and many many more that are brilliant but have yet to get popular enough to be able fill arenas. You could also get an arena band/artist to open a world class facility such as Bradford Live.

I digress but take in a sneaky peak tour of City Hall, what a magnificent building that is and follow that up by taking a walk around Little Germany, breath taking architecture, then as we did yesterday finish the tour of Bradford by taking in a relaxing coffee at the Wool Exchange.
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"I digress but take in a sneaky peak tour of City Hall, what a magnificent building that is, full of greedy backstabbing, brown envelope holding Councillors and town hall employees with no idea of what job they actually do. Follow that up by taking a walk around Little Germany, breath taking architecture, drugs available on every street corner and now some ladies to entertain gentlemen. Should they get bored then after finishing the tour of Little Germany's drug production and cutting apartments they can finish the tour of Bradford by taking in a relaxing coffee at the Wool Exchange after fighting through the crowds of beggars and alcoholics
There are many many world class artists that could and would play Bradford Live. I'm sure bands such as Gov't Mule or just Warren Haynes doing a solo gig, Joe Bonamassa, Paul Rodgers, Sinead O'Connor, Jessie J, Lissie, Ellie Goulding, John Mayer, John Newman, Joe Satriani, Lily Allen, Vanessa Carlton, Bat For Lashes, James Blunt, Joanne Shaw Taylor, The Kooks, Show of Hands, First Aid Kit, Seth Lakeman, Marl Knopfler and many many more that are brilliant but have yet to get popular enough to be able fill arenas. You could also get an arena band/artist to open a world class facility such as Bradford Live.

I digress but take in a sneaky peak tour of City Hall, what a magnificent building that is and follow that up by taking a walk around Little Germany, breath taking architecture, then as we did yesterday finish the tour of Bradford by taking in a relaxing coffee at the Wool Exchange.
[quote][p][bold]BCFC1911[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]bcfc1903[/bold] wrote: There are many many world class artists that could and would play Bradford Live. I'm sure bands such as Gov't Mule or just Warren Haynes doing a solo gig, Joe Bonamassa, Paul Rodgers, Sinead O'Connor, Jessie J, Lissie, Ellie Goulding, John Mayer, John Newman, Joe Satriani, Lily Allen, Vanessa Carlton, Bat For Lashes, James Blunt, Joanne Shaw Taylor, The Kooks, Show of Hands, First Aid Kit, Seth Lakeman, Marl Knopfler and many many more that are brilliant but have yet to get popular enough to be able fill arenas. You could also get an arena band/artist to open a world class facility such as Bradford Live. I digress but take in a sneaky peak tour of City Hall, what a magnificent building that is and follow that up by taking a walk around Little Germany, breath taking architecture, then as we did yesterday finish the tour of Bradford by taking in a relaxing coffee at the Wool Exchange.[/p][/quote]Corrected for truth "I digress but take in a sneaky peak tour of City Hall, what a magnificent building that is, full of greedy backstabbing, brown envelope holding Councillors and town hall employees with no idea of what job they actually do. Follow that up by taking a walk around Little Germany, breath taking architecture, drugs available on every street corner and now some ladies to entertain gentlemen. Should they get bored then after finishing the tour of Little Germany's drug production and cutting apartments they can finish the tour of Bradford by taking in a relaxing coffee at the Wool Exchange after fighting through the crowds of beggars and alcoholics[/p][/quote]There are many many world class artists that could and would play Bradford Live. I'm sure bands such as Gov't Mule or just Warren Haynes doing a solo gig, Joe Bonamassa, Paul Rodgers, Sinead O'Connor, Jessie J, Lissie, Ellie Goulding, John Mayer, John Newman, Joe Satriani, Lily Allen, Vanessa Carlton, Bat For Lashes, James Blunt, Joanne Shaw Taylor, The Kooks, Show of Hands, First Aid Kit, Seth Lakeman, Marl Knopfler and many many more that are brilliant but have yet to get popular enough to be able fill arenas. You could also get an arena band/artist to open a world class facility such as Bradford Live. I digress but take in a sneaky peak tour of City Hall, what a magnificent building that is and follow that up by taking a walk around Little Germany, breath taking architecture, then as we did yesterday finish the tour of Bradford by taking in a relaxing coffee at the Wool Exchange. bcfc1903
  • Score: 4

4:46pm Thu 7 Aug 14

bcfc1903 says...

Papa Smurfs Wig wrote:
Some of these dreamers should all get together and form a Bradford version of the Muppets. They really don't have a clue.
You have BCFC1903 who many of us think is earring boy who mentions a bunch of acts. So then seeing as you don't really get that most acts worth their salt are tied to Clear Channel, how many of these acts are not tied?
Some grt a six month tie when they tour here meaning this place won't get them and to say the venue needs 5/6 big nights a week, who are these acts that are free of tie?
One positive is that if they get the go ahead and if it fails then no doubt the council will have a ready made venue so they can make it into an Asian wedding venue, just get eid of the seats or......they can let it out free for South Asian dancing for the council tax payers to pick up the tab.
I'm quite sure there are many many world class artists and bands that could be gotten, for example Gov't Mule or just Warren Haynes doing a solo gig, Joe Bonamassa, Paul Rodgers, Sinead O'Connor, Jessie J, Lissie, Ellie Goulding, John Mayer, John Newman, Joe Satriani, Lily Allen, Vanessa Carlton, Bat For Lashes, James Blunt, Joanne Shaw Taylor, The Kooks, Show of Hands, First Aid Kit, Seth Lakeman, Marl Knopfler many of these are not on the arena circuit. I guess you may rant on til you are blue in the face but Bradford Live would find absolutely no trouble in booking quality artists or bands to play the venue, You can't pull a red hat over those simple facts
[quote][p][bold]Papa Smurfs Wig[/bold] wrote: Some of these dreamers should all get together and form a Bradford version of the Muppets. They really don't have a clue. You have BCFC1903 who many of us think is earring boy who mentions a bunch of acts. So then seeing as you don't really get that most acts worth their salt are tied to Clear Channel, how many of these acts are not tied? Some grt a six month tie when they tour here meaning this place won't get them and to say the venue needs 5/6 big nights a week, who are these acts that are free of tie? One positive is that if they get the go ahead and if it fails then no doubt the council will have a ready made venue so they can make it into an Asian wedding venue, just get eid of the seats or......they can let it out free for South Asian dancing for the council tax payers to pick up the tab.[/p][/quote]I'm quite sure there are many many world class artists and bands that could be gotten, for example Gov't Mule or just Warren Haynes doing a solo gig, Joe Bonamassa, Paul Rodgers, Sinead O'Connor, Jessie J, Lissie, Ellie Goulding, John Mayer, John Newman, Joe Satriani, Lily Allen, Vanessa Carlton, Bat For Lashes, James Blunt, Joanne Shaw Taylor, The Kooks, Show of Hands, First Aid Kit, Seth Lakeman, Marl Knopfler many of these are not on the arena circuit. I guess you may rant on til you are blue in the face but Bradford Live would find absolutely no trouble in booking quality artists or bands to play the venue, You can't pull a red hat over those simple facts bcfc1903
  • Score: 3

4:56pm Thu 7 Aug 14

BCFC1911 says...

bcfc1903 wrote:
BCFC1911 wrote:
bcfc1903 wrote:
There are many many world class artists that could and would play Bradford Live. I'm sure bands such as Gov't Mule or just Warren Haynes doing a solo gig, Joe Bonamassa, Paul Rodgers, Sinead O'Connor, Jessie J, Lissie, Ellie Goulding, John Mayer, John Newman, Joe Satriani, Lily Allen, Vanessa Carlton, Bat For Lashes, James Blunt, Joanne Shaw Taylor, The Kooks, Show of Hands, First Aid Kit, Seth Lakeman, Marl Knopfler and many many more that are brilliant but have yet to get popular enough to be able fill arenas. You could also get an arena band/artist to open a world class facility such as Bradford Live.

I digress but take in a sneaky peak tour of City Hall, what a magnificent building that is and follow that up by taking a walk around Little Germany, breath taking architecture, then as we did yesterday finish the tour of Bradford by taking in a relaxing coffee at the Wool Exchange.
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"I digress but take in a sneaky peak tour of City Hall, what a magnificent building that is, full of greedy backstabbing, brown envelope holding Councillors and town hall employees with no idea of what job they actually do. Follow that up by taking a walk around Little Germany, breath taking architecture, drugs available on every street corner and now some ladies to entertain gentlemen. Should they get bored then after finishing the tour of Little Germany's drug production and cutting apartments they can finish the tour of Bradford by taking in a relaxing coffee at the Wool Exchange after fighting through the crowds of beggars and alcoholics
There are many many world class artists that could and would play Bradford Live. I'm sure bands such as Gov't Mule or just Warren Haynes doing a solo gig, Joe Bonamassa, Paul Rodgers, Sinead O'Connor, Jessie J, Lissie, Ellie Goulding, John Mayer, John Newman, Joe Satriani, Lily Allen, Vanessa Carlton, Bat For Lashes, James Blunt, Joanne Shaw Taylor, The Kooks, Show of Hands, First Aid Kit, Seth Lakeman, Marl Knopfler and many many more that are brilliant but have yet to get popular enough to be able fill arenas. You could also get an arena band/artist to open a world class facility such as Bradford Live.

I digress but take in a sneaky peak tour of City Hall, what a magnificent building that is and follow that up by taking a walk around Little Germany, breath taking architecture, then as we did yesterday finish the tour of Bradford by taking in a relaxing coffee at the Wool Exchange.
Why do you repost your same posts over and over again?

Is that Bradford Council policy?
[quote][p][bold]bcfc1903[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]BCFC1911[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]bcfc1903[/bold] wrote: There are many many world class artists that could and would play Bradford Live. I'm sure bands such as Gov't Mule or just Warren Haynes doing a solo gig, Joe Bonamassa, Paul Rodgers, Sinead O'Connor, Jessie J, Lissie, Ellie Goulding, John Mayer, John Newman, Joe Satriani, Lily Allen, Vanessa Carlton, Bat For Lashes, James Blunt, Joanne Shaw Taylor, The Kooks, Show of Hands, First Aid Kit, Seth Lakeman, Marl Knopfler and many many more that are brilliant but have yet to get popular enough to be able fill arenas. You could also get an arena band/artist to open a world class facility such as Bradford Live. I digress but take in a sneaky peak tour of City Hall, what a magnificent building that is and follow that up by taking a walk around Little Germany, breath taking architecture, then as we did yesterday finish the tour of Bradford by taking in a relaxing coffee at the Wool Exchange.[/p][/quote]Corrected for truth "I digress but take in a sneaky peak tour of City Hall, what a magnificent building that is, full of greedy backstabbing, brown envelope holding Councillors and town hall employees with no idea of what job they actually do. Follow that up by taking a walk around Little Germany, breath taking architecture, drugs available on every street corner and now some ladies to entertain gentlemen. Should they get bored then after finishing the tour of Little Germany's drug production and cutting apartments they can finish the tour of Bradford by taking in a relaxing coffee at the Wool Exchange after fighting through the crowds of beggars and alcoholics[/p][/quote]There are many many world class artists that could and would play Bradford Live. I'm sure bands such as Gov't Mule or just Warren Haynes doing a solo gig, Joe Bonamassa, Paul Rodgers, Sinead O'Connor, Jessie J, Lissie, Ellie Goulding, John Mayer, John Newman, Joe Satriani, Lily Allen, Vanessa Carlton, Bat For Lashes, James Blunt, Joanne Shaw Taylor, The Kooks, Show of Hands, First Aid Kit, Seth Lakeman, Marl Knopfler and many many more that are brilliant but have yet to get popular enough to be able fill arenas. You could also get an arena band/artist to open a world class facility such as Bradford Live. I digress but take in a sneaky peak tour of City Hall, what a magnificent building that is and follow that up by taking a walk around Little Germany, breath taking architecture, then as we did yesterday finish the tour of Bradford by taking in a relaxing coffee at the Wool Exchange.[/p][/quote]Why do you repost your same posts over and over again? Is that Bradford Council policy? BCFC1911
  • Score: -2

4:57pm Thu 7 Aug 14

BCFC1911 says...

BCFC1911 wrote:
bcfc1903 wrote:
There are many many world class artists that could and would play Bradford Live. I'm sure bands such as Gov't Mule or just Warren Haynes doing a solo gig, Joe Bonamassa, Paul Rodgers, Sinead O'Connor, Jessie J, Lissie, Ellie Goulding, John Mayer, John Newman, Joe Satriani, Lily Allen, Vanessa Carlton, Bat For Lashes, James Blunt, Joanne Shaw Taylor, The Kooks, Show of Hands, First Aid Kit, Seth Lakeman, Marl Knopfler and many many more that are brilliant but have yet to get popular enough to be able fill arenas. You could also get an arena band/artist to open a world class facility such as Bradford Live.

I digress but take in a sneaky peak tour of City Hall, what a magnificent building that is and follow that up by taking a walk around Little Germany, breath taking architecture, then as we did yesterday finish the tour of Bradford by taking in a relaxing coffee at the Wool Exchange.
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"I digress but take in a sneaky peak tour of City Hall, what a magnificent building that is, full of greedy backstabbing, brown envelope holding Councillors and town hall employees with no idea of what job they actually do. Follow that up by taking a walk around Little Germany, breath taking architecture, drugs available on every street corner and now some ladies to entertain gentlemen. Should they get bored then after finishing the tour of Little Germany's drug production and cutting apartments they can finish the tour of Bradford by taking in a relaxing coffee at the Wool Exchange after fighting through the crowds of beggars and alcoholics
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"I digress but take in a sneaky peak tour of City Hall, what a magnificent building that is, full of greedy backstabbing, brown envelope holding Councillors and town hall employees with no idea of what job they actually do. Follow that up by taking a walk around Little Germany, breath taking architecture, drugs available on every street corner and now some ladies to entertain gentlemen. Should they get bored then after finishing the tour of Little Germany's drug production and cutting apartments they can finish the tour of Bradford by taking in a relaxing coffee at the Wool Exchange after fighting through the crowds of beggars and alcoholics
[quote][p][bold]BCFC1911[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]bcfc1903[/bold] wrote: There are many many world class artists that could and would play Bradford Live. I'm sure bands such as Gov't Mule or just Warren Haynes doing a solo gig, Joe Bonamassa, Paul Rodgers, Sinead O'Connor, Jessie J, Lissie, Ellie Goulding, John Mayer, John Newman, Joe Satriani, Lily Allen, Vanessa Carlton, Bat For Lashes, James Blunt, Joanne Shaw Taylor, The Kooks, Show of Hands, First Aid Kit, Seth Lakeman, Marl Knopfler and many many more that are brilliant but have yet to get popular enough to be able fill arenas. You could also get an arena band/artist to open a world class facility such as Bradford Live. I digress but take in a sneaky peak tour of City Hall, what a magnificent building that is and follow that up by taking a walk around Little Germany, breath taking architecture, then as we did yesterday finish the tour of Bradford by taking in a relaxing coffee at the Wool Exchange.[/p][/quote]Corrected for truth "I digress but take in a sneaky peak tour of City Hall, what a magnificent building that is, full of greedy backstabbing, brown envelope holding Councillors and town hall employees with no idea of what job they actually do. Follow that up by taking a walk around Little Germany, breath taking architecture, drugs available on every street corner and now some ladies to entertain gentlemen. Should they get bored then after finishing the tour of Little Germany's drug production and cutting apartments they can finish the tour of Bradford by taking in a relaxing coffee at the Wool Exchange after fighting through the crowds of beggars and alcoholics[/p][/quote]Corrected for truth "I digress but take in a sneaky peak tour of City Hall, what a magnificent building that is, full of greedy backstabbing, brown envelope holding Councillors and town hall employees with no idea of what job they actually do. Follow that up by taking a walk around Little Germany, breath taking architecture, drugs available on every street corner and now some ladies to entertain gentlemen. Should they get bored then after finishing the tour of Little Germany's drug production and cutting apartments they can finish the tour of Bradford by taking in a relaxing coffee at the Wool Exchange after fighting through the crowds of beggars and alcoholics BCFC1911
  • Score: -3

5:14pm Thu 7 Aug 14

bcfc1903 says...

BCFC1911 wrote:
BCFC1911 wrote:
bcfc1903 wrote:
There are many many world class artists that could and would play Bradford Live. I'm sure bands such as Gov't Mule or just Warren Haynes doing a solo gig, Joe Bonamassa, Paul Rodgers, Sinead O'Connor, Jessie J, Lissie, Ellie Goulding, John Mayer, John Newman, Joe Satriani, Lily Allen, Vanessa Carlton, Bat For Lashes, James Blunt, Joanne Shaw Taylor, The Kooks, Show of Hands, First Aid Kit, Seth Lakeman, Marl Knopfler and many many more that are brilliant but have yet to get popular enough to be able fill arenas. You could also get an arena band/artist to open a world class facility such as Bradford Live.

I digress but take in a sneaky peak tour of City Hall, what a magnificent building that is and follow that up by taking a walk around Little Germany, breath taking architecture, then as we did yesterday finish the tour of Bradford by taking in a relaxing coffee at the Wool Exchange.
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"I digress but take in a sneaky peak tour of City Hall, what a magnificent building that is, full of greedy backstabbing, brown envelope holding Councillors and town hall employees with no idea of what job they actually do. Follow that up by taking a walk around Little Germany, breath taking architecture, drugs available on every street corner and now some ladies to entertain gentlemen. Should they get bored then after finishing the tour of Little Germany's drug production and cutting apartments they can finish the tour of Bradford by taking in a relaxing coffee at the Wool Exchange after fighting through the crowds of beggars and alcoholics
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"I digress but take in a sneaky peak tour of City Hall, what a magnificent building that is, full of greedy backstabbing, brown envelope holding Councillors and town hall employees with no idea of what job they actually do. Follow that up by taking a walk around Little Germany, breath taking architecture, drugs available on every street corner and now some ladies to entertain gentlemen. Should they get bored then after finishing the tour of Little Germany's drug production and cutting apartments they can finish the tour of Bradford by taking in a relaxing coffee at the Wool Exchange after fighting through the crowds of beggars and alcoholics
There are many many world class artists that could and would play Bradford Live. I'm sure bands such as Gov't Mule or just Warren Haynes doing a solo gig, Joe Bonamassa, Paul Rodgers, Sinead O'Connor, Jessie J, Lissie, Ellie Goulding, John Mayer, John Newman, Joe Satriani, Lily Allen, Vanessa Carlton, Bat For Lashes, James Blunt, Joanne Shaw Taylor, The Kooks, Show of Hands, First Aid Kit, Seth Lakeman, Marl Knopfler and many many more that are brilliant but have yet to get popular enough to be able fill arenas. You could also get an arena band/artist to open a world class facility such as Bradford Live.

I digress but take in a sneaky peak tour of City Hall, what a magnificent building that is and follow that up by taking a walk around Little Germany, breath taking architecture, then as we did yesterday finish the tour of Bradford by taking in a relaxing coffee at the Wool Exchange.
[quote][p][bold]BCFC1911[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]BCFC1911[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]bcfc1903[/bold] wrote: There are many many world class artists that could and would play Bradford Live. I'm sure bands such as Gov't Mule or just Warren Haynes doing a solo gig, Joe Bonamassa, Paul Rodgers, Sinead O'Connor, Jessie J, Lissie, Ellie Goulding, John Mayer, John Newman, Joe Satriani, Lily Allen, Vanessa Carlton, Bat For Lashes, James Blunt, Joanne Shaw Taylor, The Kooks, Show of Hands, First Aid Kit, Seth Lakeman, Marl Knopfler and many many more that are brilliant but have yet to get popular enough to be able fill arenas. You could also get an arena band/artist to open a world class facility such as Bradford Live. I digress but take in a sneaky peak tour of City Hall, what a magnificent building that is and follow that up by taking a walk around Little Germany, breath taking architecture, then as we did yesterday finish the tour of Bradford by taking in a relaxing coffee at the Wool Exchange.[/p][/quote]Corrected for truth "I digress but take in a sneaky peak tour of City Hall, what a magnificent building that is, full of greedy backstabbing, brown envelope holding Councillors and town hall employees with no idea of what job they actually do. Follow that up by taking a walk around Little Germany, breath taking architecture, drugs available on every street corner and now some ladies to entertain gentlemen. Should they get bored then after finishing the tour of Little Germany's drug production and cutting apartments they can finish the tour of Bradford by taking in a relaxing coffee at the Wool Exchange after fighting through the crowds of beggars and alcoholics[/p][/quote]Corrected for truth "I digress but take in a sneaky peak tour of City Hall, what a magnificent building that is, full of greedy backstabbing, brown envelope holding Councillors and town hall employees with no idea of what job they actually do. Follow that up by taking a walk around Little Germany, breath taking architecture, drugs available on every street corner and now some ladies to entertain gentlemen. Should they get bored then after finishing the tour of Little Germany's drug production and cutting apartments they can finish the tour of Bradford by taking in a relaxing coffee at the Wool Exchange after fighting through the crowds of beggars and alcoholics[/p][/quote]There are many many world class artists that could and would play Bradford Live. I'm sure bands such as Gov't Mule or just Warren Haynes doing a solo gig, Joe Bonamassa, Paul Rodgers, Sinead O'Connor, Jessie J, Lissie, Ellie Goulding, John Mayer, John Newman, Joe Satriani, Lily Allen, Vanessa Carlton, Bat For Lashes, James Blunt, Joanne Shaw Taylor, The Kooks, Show of Hands, First Aid Kit, Seth Lakeman, Marl Knopfler and many many more that are brilliant but have yet to get popular enough to be able fill arenas. You could also get an arena band/artist to open a world class facility such as Bradford Live. I digress but take in a sneaky peak tour of City Hall, what a magnificent building that is and follow that up by taking a walk around Little Germany, breath taking architecture, then as we did yesterday finish the tour of Bradford by taking in a relaxing coffee at the Wool Exchange. bcfc1903
  • Score: 4

5:15pm Thu 7 Aug 14

bcfc1903 says...

There are many many world class artists that could and would play Bradford Live. I'm sure bands such as Gov't Mule or just Warren Haynes doing a solo gig, Joe Bonamassa, Paul Rodgers, Sinead O'Connor, Jessie J, Lissie, Ellie Goulding, John Mayer, John Newman, Joe Satriani, Lily Allen, Vanessa Carlton, Bat For Lashes, James Blunt, Joanne Shaw Taylor, The Kooks, Show of Hands, First Aid Kit, Seth Lakeman, Marl Knopfler and many many more that are brilliant but have yet to get popular enough to be able fill arenas. You could also get an arena band/artist to open a world class facility such as Bradford Live.

I digress but take in a sneaky peak tour of City Hall, what a magnificent building that is and follow that up by taking a walk around Little Germany, breath taking architecture, then as we did yesterday finish the tour of Bradford by taking in a relaxing coffee at the Wool Exchange.
There are many many world class artists that could and would play Bradford Live. I'm sure bands such as Gov't Mule or just Warren Haynes doing a solo gig, Joe Bonamassa, Paul Rodgers, Sinead O'Connor, Jessie J, Lissie, Ellie Goulding, John Mayer, John Newman, Joe Satriani, Lily Allen, Vanessa Carlton, Bat For Lashes, James Blunt, Joanne Shaw Taylor, The Kooks, Show of Hands, First Aid Kit, Seth Lakeman, Marl Knopfler and many many more that are brilliant but have yet to get popular enough to be able fill arenas. You could also get an arena band/artist to open a world class facility such as Bradford Live. I digress but take in a sneaky peak tour of City Hall, what a magnificent building that is and follow that up by taking a walk around Little Germany, breath taking architecture, then as we did yesterday finish the tour of Bradford by taking in a relaxing coffee at the Wool Exchange. bcfc1903
  • Score: 3

5:28pm Thu 7 Aug 14

SinnerSaint says...

Christ, your family must be bored ****less with the stuff you make them do. You're like Martin out of Ever Decreasing Circles, aren't you?
Christ, your family must be bored ****less with the stuff you make them do. You're like Martin out of Ever Decreasing Circles, aren't you? SinnerSaint
  • Score: -3

6:21pm Thu 7 Aug 14

bcfc1903 says...

SinnerSaint wrote:
Christ, your family must be bored ****less with the stuff you make them do. You're like Martin out of Ever Decreasing Circles, aren't you?
Thanks for your input.

There are many many world class artists that could and would play Bradford Live. I'm sure bands such as Gov't Mule or just Warren Haynes doing a solo gig, Joe Bonamassa, Paul Rodgers, Sinead O'Connor, Jessie J, Lissie, Ellie Goulding, John Mayer, John Newman, Joe Satriani, Lily Allen, Vanessa Carlton, Bat For Lashes, James Blunt, Joanne Shaw Taylor, The Kooks, Show of Hands, First Aid Kit, Seth Lakeman, Marl Knopfler and many many more that are brilliant but have yet to get popular enough to be able fill arenas. You could also get an arena band/artist to open a world class facility such as Bradford Live.

I digress but take in a sneaky peak tour of City Hall, what a magnificent building that is and follow that up by taking a walk around Little Germany, breath taking architecture, then as we did yesterday finish the tour of Bradford by taking in a relaxing coffee at the Wool Exchange.
[quote][p][bold]SinnerSaint[/bold] wrote: Christ, your family must be bored ****less with the stuff you make them do. You're like Martin out of Ever Decreasing Circles, aren't you?[/p][/quote]Thanks for your input. There are many many world class artists that could and would play Bradford Live. I'm sure bands such as Gov't Mule or just Warren Haynes doing a solo gig, Joe Bonamassa, Paul Rodgers, Sinead O'Connor, Jessie J, Lissie, Ellie Goulding, John Mayer, John Newman, Joe Satriani, Lily Allen, Vanessa Carlton, Bat For Lashes, James Blunt, Joanne Shaw Taylor, The Kooks, Show of Hands, First Aid Kit, Seth Lakeman, Marl Knopfler and many many more that are brilliant but have yet to get popular enough to be able fill arenas. You could also get an arena band/artist to open a world class facility such as Bradford Live. I digress but take in a sneaky peak tour of City Hall, what a magnificent building that is and follow that up by taking a walk around Little Germany, breath taking architecture, then as we did yesterday finish the tour of Bradford by taking in a relaxing coffee at the Wool Exchange. bcfc1903
  • Score: 4

6:22pm Thu 7 Aug 14

bcfc1903 says...

There are many many world class artists that could and would play Bradford Live. I'm sure bands such as Gov't Mule or just Warren Haynes doing a solo gig, Joe Bonamassa, Paul Rodgers, Sinead O'Connor, Jessie J, Lissie, Ellie Goulding, John Mayer, John Newman, Joe Satriani, Lily Allen, Vanessa Carlton, Bat For Lashes, James Blunt, Joanne Shaw Taylor, The Kooks, Show of Hands, First Aid Kit, Seth Lakeman, Marl Knopfler and many many more that are brilliant but have yet to get popular enough to be able fill arenas. You could also get an arena band/artist to open a world class facility such as Bradford Live.

I digress but take in a sneaky peak tour of City Hall, what a magnificent building that is and follow that up by taking a walk around Little Germany, breath taking architecture, then as we did yesterday finish the tour of Bradford by taking in a relaxing coffee at the Wool Exchange.
There are many many world class artists that could and would play Bradford Live. I'm sure bands such as Gov't Mule or just Warren Haynes doing a solo gig, Joe Bonamassa, Paul Rodgers, Sinead O'Connor, Jessie J, Lissie, Ellie Goulding, John Mayer, John Newman, Joe Satriani, Lily Allen, Vanessa Carlton, Bat For Lashes, James Blunt, Joanne Shaw Taylor, The Kooks, Show of Hands, First Aid Kit, Seth Lakeman, Marl Knopfler and many many more that are brilliant but have yet to get popular enough to be able fill arenas. You could also get an arena band/artist to open a world class facility such as Bradford Live. I digress but take in a sneaky peak tour of City Hall, what a magnificent building that is and follow that up by taking a walk around Little Germany, breath taking architecture, then as we did yesterday finish the tour of Bradford by taking in a relaxing coffee at the Wool Exchange. bcfc1903
  • Score: 2

12:29am Fri 8 Aug 14

Papa Smurfs Wig says...

You're off your napper Greeny boy. You shouldn't use our football club for your name with the dense posts.
You're off your napper Greeny boy. You shouldn't use our football club for your name with the dense posts. Papa Smurfs Wig
  • Score: -8

12:45am Fri 8 Aug 14

hx3bantam says...

llos25 wrote:
If you read the post properly which I do not think you did it says "safe".the car parks you quote are no go areas in the evening.
Maybe to a wimp like yourself. Man up!
[quote][p][bold]llos25[/bold] wrote: If you read the post properly which I do not think you did it says "safe".the car parks you quote are no go areas in the evening.[/p][/quote]Maybe to a wimp like yourself. Man up! hx3bantam
  • Score: 2

1:05am Fri 8 Aug 14

hx3bantam says...

bcfc1903 wrote:
There are many many world class artists that could and would play Bradford Live. I'm sure bands such as Gov't Mule or just Warren Haynes doing a solo gig, Joe Bonamassa, Paul Rodgers, Sinead O'Connor, Jessie J, Lissie, Ellie Goulding, John Mayer, John Newman, Joe Satriani, Lily Allen, Vanessa Carlton, Bat For Lashes, James Blunt, Joanne Shaw Taylor, The Kooks, Show of Hands, First Aid Kit, Seth Lakeman, Marl Knopfler and many many more that are brilliant but have yet to get popular enough to be able fill arenas. You could also get an arena band/artist to open a world class facility such as Bradford Live.

I digress but take in a sneaky peak tour of City Hall, what a magnificent building that is and follow that up by taking a walk around Little Germany, breath taking architecture, then as we did yesterday finish the tour of Bradford by taking in a relaxing coffee at the Wool Exchange.
You have great taste in music. I would love to see some of those acts here, especially Warren Haynes. I think Bonamassa has gotten too big these days and only seems to play London. Saw him at Holmfirth back in the day and it wasn't full! Would be great to have Bradford back on the circuit. Just don't let them at Georges Hall have anything to do with the bookings!
I see the usual desponds trying to spread their misery over the thread!
Altogether now "Always look on the bright side of life..." ;-)
[quote][p][bold]bcfc1903[/bold] wrote: There are many many world class artists that could and would play Bradford Live. I'm sure bands such as Gov't Mule or just Warren Haynes doing a solo gig, Joe Bonamassa, Paul Rodgers, Sinead O'Connor, Jessie J, Lissie, Ellie Goulding, John Mayer, John Newman, Joe Satriani, Lily Allen, Vanessa Carlton, Bat For Lashes, James Blunt, Joanne Shaw Taylor, The Kooks, Show of Hands, First Aid Kit, Seth Lakeman, Marl Knopfler and many many more that are brilliant but have yet to get popular enough to be able fill arenas. You could also get an arena band/artist to open a world class facility such as Bradford Live. I digress but take in a sneaky peak tour of City Hall, what a magnificent building that is and follow that up by taking a walk around Little Germany, breath taking architecture, then as we did yesterday finish the tour of Bradford by taking in a relaxing coffee at the Wool Exchange.[/p][/quote]You have great taste in music. I would love to see some of those acts here, especially Warren Haynes. I think Bonamassa has gotten too big these days and only seems to play London. Saw him at Holmfirth back in the day and it wasn't full! Would be great to have Bradford back on the circuit. Just don't let them at Georges Hall have anything to do with the bookings! I see the usual desponds trying to spread their misery over the thread! Altogether now "Always look on the bright side of life..." ;-) hx3bantam
  • Score: 4

10:27am Fri 8 Aug 14

bcfc1903 says...

hx3bantam wrote:
bcfc1903 wrote:
There are many many world class artists that could and would play Bradford Live. I'm sure bands such as Gov't Mule or just Warren Haynes doing a solo gig, Joe Bonamassa, Paul Rodgers, Sinead O'Connor, Jessie J, Lissie, Ellie Goulding, John Mayer, John Newman, Joe Satriani, Lily Allen, Vanessa Carlton, Bat For Lashes, James Blunt, Joanne Shaw Taylor, The Kooks, Show of Hands, First Aid Kit, Seth Lakeman, Marl Knopfler and many many more that are brilliant but have yet to get popular enough to be able fill arenas. You could also get an arena band/artist to open a world class facility such as Bradford Live.

I digress but take in a sneaky peak tour of City Hall, what a magnificent building that is and follow that up by taking a walk around Little Germany, breath taking architecture, then as we did yesterday finish the tour of Bradford by taking in a relaxing coffee at the Wool Exchange.
You have great taste in music. I would love to see some of those acts here, especially Warren Haynes. I think Bonamassa has gotten too big these days and only seems to play London. Saw him at Holmfirth back in the day and it wasn't full! Would be great to have Bradford back on the circuit. Just don't let them at Georges Hall have anything to do with the bookings!
I see the usual desponds trying to spread their misery over the thread!
Altogether now "Always look on the bright side of life..." ;-)
Thanks hx3bantam, my favourite all time band is Free, they rocked St George's Hall many times, if you get the chance check Paul Rodgers out, he still does many of the old Free songs. Warren Haynes, check this out https://www.youtube.
com/watch?v=O27bAg-A
Y3s

pure soul, I like Joe but Warren is the man for soul and feel. Hopefully If Bradford Live happens and I believe it will, this is the sort of quality artist that will grace it's stage.

Good luck for tomorrow, I fancy BCFC to win 2-1, can't make it as I'm driving my son and his band to a gig.
[quote][p][bold]hx3bantam[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]bcfc1903[/bold] wrote: There are many many world class artists that could and would play Bradford Live. I'm sure bands such as Gov't Mule or just Warren Haynes doing a solo gig, Joe Bonamassa, Paul Rodgers, Sinead O'Connor, Jessie J, Lissie, Ellie Goulding, John Mayer, John Newman, Joe Satriani, Lily Allen, Vanessa Carlton, Bat For Lashes, James Blunt, Joanne Shaw Taylor, The Kooks, Show of Hands, First Aid Kit, Seth Lakeman, Marl Knopfler and many many more that are brilliant but have yet to get popular enough to be able fill arenas. You could also get an arena band/artist to open a world class facility such as Bradford Live. I digress but take in a sneaky peak tour of City Hall, what a magnificent building that is and follow that up by taking a walk around Little Germany, breath taking architecture, then as we did yesterday finish the tour of Bradford by taking in a relaxing coffee at the Wool Exchange.[/p][/quote]You have great taste in music. I would love to see some of those acts here, especially Warren Haynes. I think Bonamassa has gotten too big these days and only seems to play London. Saw him at Holmfirth back in the day and it wasn't full! Would be great to have Bradford back on the circuit. Just don't let them at Georges Hall have anything to do with the bookings! I see the usual desponds trying to spread their misery over the thread! Altogether now "Always look on the bright side of life..." ;-)[/p][/quote]Thanks hx3bantam, my favourite all time band is Free, they rocked St George's Hall many times, if you get the chance check Paul Rodgers out, he still does many of the old Free songs. Warren Haynes, check this out https://www.youtube. com/watch?v=O27bAg-A Y3s pure soul, I like Joe but Warren is the man for soul and feel. Hopefully If Bradford Live happens and I believe it will, this is the sort of quality artist that will grace it's stage. Good luck for tomorrow, I fancy BCFC to win 2-1, can't make it as I'm driving my son and his band to a gig. bcfc1903
  • Score: 2

11:01am Fri 8 Aug 14

BCFC1911 says...

bcfc1903 wrote:
There are many many world class artists that could and would play Bradford Live. I'm sure bands such as Gov't Mule or just Warren Haynes doing a solo gig, Joe Bonamassa, Paul Rodgers, Sinead O'Connor, Jessie J, Lissie, Ellie Goulding, John Mayer, John Newman, Joe Satriani, Lily Allen, Vanessa Carlton, Bat For Lashes, James Blunt, Joanne Shaw Taylor, The Kooks, Show of Hands, First Aid Kit, Seth Lakeman, Marl Knopfler and many many more that are brilliant but have yet to get popular enough to be able fill arenas. You could also get an arena band/artist to open a world class facility such as Bradford Live.

I digress but take in a sneaky peak tour of City Hall, what a magnificent building that is and follow that up by taking a walk around Little Germany, breath taking architecture, then as we did yesterday finish the tour of Bradford by taking in a relaxing coffee at the Wool Exchange.
Corrected for truth

"I digress but take in a sneaky peak tour of City Hall, what a magnificent building that is, full of greedy backstabbing, brown envelope holding Councillors and town hall employees with no idea of what job they actually do. Follow that up by taking a walk around Little Germany, breath taking architecture, drugs available on every street corner and now some ladies to entertain gentlemen. Should they get bored then after finishing the tour of Little Germany's drug production and cutting apartments they can finish the tour of Bradford by taking in a relaxing coffee at the Wool Exchange after fighting through the crowds of beggars and alcoholics
[quote][p][bold]bcfc1903[/bold] wrote: There are many many world class artists that could and would play Bradford Live. I'm sure bands such as Gov't Mule or just Warren Haynes doing a solo gig, Joe Bonamassa, Paul Rodgers, Sinead O'Connor, Jessie J, Lissie, Ellie Goulding, John Mayer, John Newman, Joe Satriani, Lily Allen, Vanessa Carlton, Bat For Lashes, James Blunt, Joanne Shaw Taylor, The Kooks, Show of Hands, First Aid Kit, Seth Lakeman, Marl Knopfler and many many more that are brilliant but have yet to get popular enough to be able fill arenas. You could also get an arena band/artist to open a world class facility such as Bradford Live. I digress but take in a sneaky peak tour of City Hall, what a magnificent building that is and follow that up by taking a walk around Little Germany, breath taking architecture, then as we did yesterday finish the tour of Bradford by taking in a relaxing coffee at the Wool Exchange.[/p][/quote]Corrected for truth "I digress but take in a sneaky peak tour of City Hall, what a magnificent building that is, full of greedy backstabbing, brown envelope holding Councillors and town hall employees with no idea of what job they actually do. Follow that up by taking a walk around Little Germany, breath taking architecture, drugs available on every street corner and now some ladies to entertain gentlemen. Should they get bored then after finishing the tour of Little Germany's drug production and cutting apartments they can finish the tour of Bradford by taking in a relaxing coffee at the Wool Exchange after fighting through the crowds of beggars and alcoholics BCFC1911
  • Score: -4

9:27am Mon 11 Aug 14

Timjamesphillips says...

SinnerSaint wrote:
The perception of Bradford from the outside is never going to change. There are some big reasons why industry avoids it like the plague and ordinary people do the same.

Those reasons are NEVER going away - in fact the main problem is growing - so Bradford is Donald Ducked.
Pratt!...it is you who 'don't get it'....so, so easy to poke fun, run things down, wade in self pity and negative attitudes...it is you and other naysayers who reinforce the perception many have of Bradford (as other local residents do of many, many cities). ... I've lived here 17 years and I love it, I'm from Manchester originally and although I love that city also frankly, nowhere is perfect. I don't want to live in Leeds with it's inflated prices and superior attitude (hugely misplaced in my opinion).

Bradford missed the 'reinvestment boat' in the late nineties / early 2000's...that does not make it a basket case or beyond redemption.
The hugely negative attitude that problems are never going away...does anyone remember what state Leeds was in the eighties...it was a 'war zone' and had a dreadful national reputation for crime and anti-social behaviour.

Things DO change, People CAN make a difference and cities DO regenerate and go through cycles of deprivation and boom...pretending differently is ignoring reality. It is fashionable in some quarters to decry Bradford as a lost cause ... I see with problems but I also see a city with great people, great parks, great architecture, great culture, great history...and a spirit to match any city I know.

The angry mob, who run all ideas into the ground never achieve anything...which is probably why they are so angry, seemingly holding this great city responsible for their own woes....grow up and get with the programme or ship out (if you want to move to somewhere 'nice' (and anaemic and up it's own A**e like IIkley) then please do so and leave the 'doers' to solve problems to which you can see no solution.
[quote][p][bold]SinnerSaint[/bold] wrote: The perception of Bradford from the outside is never going to change. There are some big reasons why industry avoids it like the plague and ordinary people do the same. Those reasons are NEVER going away - in fact the main problem is growing - so Bradford is Donald Ducked.[/p][/quote]Pratt!...it is you who 'don't get it'....so, so easy to poke fun, run things down, wade in self pity and negative attitudes...it is you and other naysayers who reinforce the perception many have of Bradford (as other local residents do of many, many cities). ... I've lived here 17 years and I love it, I'm from Manchester originally and although I love that city also frankly, nowhere is perfect. I don't want to live in Leeds with it's inflated prices and superior attitude (hugely misplaced in my opinion). Bradford missed the 'reinvestment boat' in the late nineties / early 2000's...that does not make it a basket case or beyond redemption. The hugely negative attitude that problems are never going away...does anyone remember what state Leeds was in the eighties...it was a 'war zone' and had a dreadful national reputation for crime and anti-social behaviour. Things DO change, People CAN make a difference and cities DO regenerate and go through cycles of deprivation and boom...pretending differently is ignoring reality. It is fashionable in some quarters to decry Bradford as a lost cause ... I see with problems but I also see a city with great people, great parks, great architecture, great culture, great history...and a spirit to match any city I know. The angry mob, who run all ideas into the ground never achieve anything...which is probably why they are so angry, seemingly holding this great city responsible for their own woes....grow up and get with the programme or ship out (if you want to move to somewhere 'nice' (and anaemic and up it's own A**e like IIkley) then please do so and leave the 'doers' to solve problems to which you can see no solution. Timjamesphillips
  • Score: 1

2:56pm Mon 11 Aug 14

J B PRIESTLEY says...

Great news, let's just hope the finer details don't take years to iron out!! . Once the venue is up and running, I for one will look forward to welcoming great acts & bands, bringing much needed money to local hotels/shops/eaterie
s etc. Why would I travel to Leeds / Sheffield / Manchester if there was a suitable venue locally, I’m sure there must be at least 4000 people that agree with that?
Great news, let's just hope the finer details don't take years to iron out!! . Once the venue is up and running, I for one will look forward to welcoming great acts & bands, bringing much needed money to local hotels/shops/eaterie s etc. Why would I travel to Leeds / Sheffield / Manchester if there was a suitable venue locally, I’m sure there must be at least 4000 people that agree with that? J B PRIESTLEY
  • Score: 2

9:43pm Mon 11 Aug 14

SinnerSaint says...

Timjamesphillips wrote:
SinnerSaint wrote: The perception of Bradford from the outside is never going to change. There are some big reasons why industry avoids it like the plague and ordinary people do the same. Those reasons are NEVER going away - in fact the main problem is growing - so Bradford is Donald Ducked.
Pratt!...it is you who 'don't get it'....so, so easy to poke fun, run things down, wade in self pity and negative attitudes...it is you and other naysayers who reinforce the perception many have of Bradford (as other local residents do of many, many cities). ... I've lived here 17 years and I love it, I'm from Manchester originally and although I love that city also frankly, nowhere is perfect. I don't want to live in Leeds with it's inflated prices and superior attitude (hugely misplaced in my opinion). Bradford missed the 'reinvestment boat' in the late nineties / early 2000's...that does not make it a basket case or beyond redemption. The hugely negative attitude that problems are never going away...does anyone remember what state Leeds was in the eighties...it was a 'war zone' and had a dreadful national reputation for crime and anti-social behaviour. Things DO change, People CAN make a difference and cities DO regenerate and go through cycles of deprivation and boom...pretending differently is ignoring reality. It is fashionable in some quarters to decry Bradford as a lost cause ... I see with problems but I also see a city with great people, great parks, great architecture, great culture, great history...and a spirit to match any city I know. The angry mob, who run all ideas into the ground never achieve anything...which is probably why they are so angry, seemingly holding this great city responsible for their own woes....grow up and get with the programme or ship out (if you want to move to somewhere 'nice' (and anaemic and up it's own A**e like IIkley) then please do so and leave the 'doers' to solve problems to which you can see no solution.
Not entirely sure where there's any indication of me "wading in self-pity" Tim, I'm actually very content and I've achieved a great deal in life thanks. Coincidentally, I actually live in that "up it's own A**e" town called Ilkley along with many, many other successful and contented people.

You say Leeds was like a war zone in the eighties? Well Bradford actually WAS a war zone in 1995 and 2001. It sits at the foot of every positive league table and the top of every negative one, it is famous for riots, serial killers, drivers without insurance, crash for cash scams, major drug importation and it's nickname "Bradistan".

You seriously believe that shoppers will come to Bradford rather than other local towns and cities, concert goers will come, businesses will relocate, investors will invest? Any investment in Bradford is a total punt and likley to end in tears. You are the one ignoring reality my friend and I would suggest that it's you who should "get with the programme" (are you American?). Prat!
[quote][p][bold]Timjamesphillips[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]SinnerSaint[/bold] wrote: The perception of Bradford from the outside is never going to change. There are some big reasons why industry avoids it like the plague and ordinary people do the same. Those reasons are NEVER going away - in fact the main problem is growing - so Bradford is Donald Ducked.[/p][/quote]Pratt!...it is you who 'don't get it'....so, so easy to poke fun, run things down, wade in self pity and negative attitudes...it is you and other naysayers who reinforce the perception many have of Bradford (as other local residents do of many, many cities). ... I've lived here 17 years and I love it, I'm from Manchester originally and although I love that city also frankly, nowhere is perfect. I don't want to live in Leeds with it's inflated prices and superior attitude (hugely misplaced in my opinion). Bradford missed the 'reinvestment boat' in the late nineties / early 2000's...that does not make it a basket case or beyond redemption. The hugely negative attitude that problems are never going away...does anyone remember what state Leeds was in the eighties...it was a 'war zone' and had a dreadful national reputation for crime and anti-social behaviour. Things DO change, People CAN make a difference and cities DO regenerate and go through cycles of deprivation and boom...pretending differently is ignoring reality. It is fashionable in some quarters to decry Bradford as a lost cause ... I see with problems but I also see a city with great people, great parks, great architecture, great culture, great history...and a spirit to match any city I know. The angry mob, who run all ideas into the ground never achieve anything...which is probably why they are so angry, seemingly holding this great city responsible for their own woes....grow up and get with the programme or ship out (if you want to move to somewhere 'nice' (and anaemic and up it's own A**e like IIkley) then please do so and leave the 'doers' to solve problems to which you can see no solution.[/p][/quote]Not entirely sure where there's any indication of me "wading in self-pity" Tim, I'm actually very content and I've achieved a great deal in life thanks. Coincidentally, I actually live in that "up it's own A**e" town called Ilkley along with many, many other successful and contented people. You say Leeds was like a war zone in the eighties? Well Bradford actually WAS a war zone in 1995 and 2001. It sits at the foot of every positive league table and the top of every negative one, it is famous for riots, serial killers, drivers without insurance, crash for cash scams, major drug importation and it's nickname "Bradistan". You seriously believe that shoppers will come to Bradford rather than other local towns and cities, concert goers will come, businesses will relocate, investors will invest? Any investment in Bradford is a total punt and likley to end in tears. You are the one ignoring reality my friend and I would suggest that it's you who should "get with the programme" (are you American?). Prat! SinnerSaint
  • Score: -1

5:21pm Tue 12 Aug 14

Timjamesphillips says...

Your choosing to live in Ilkley (thought so) satisfies two purposes:

1.) It allows you to feel superior to other people and places and keep you warm at night.
2.) it allows me the benefit of amazingly beautiful ,cheap property that is nowhere near people with views like you

As alien as it may seem to you, many people actually choose to live in the place you describe, despite it's well known problems... so just imagine how good the benefits must be to outweigh all that? I don't imagine however, that this would fit in with your preconceptions...hav
e you ever lived in the city?! I have lived in places like Ilkley and was stifled by the small mindedness and sense of entitlement. (successful people live here as well...and in other places too).

I've always rooted for the underdog, they're always more entertaining
Your choosing to live in Ilkley (thought so) satisfies two purposes: 1.) It allows you to feel superior to other people and places and keep you warm at night. 2.) it allows me the benefit of amazingly beautiful ,cheap property that is nowhere near people with views like you As alien as it may seem to you, many people actually choose to live in the place you describe, despite it's well known problems... so just imagine how good the benefits must be to outweigh all that? I don't imagine however, that this would fit in with your preconceptions...hav e you ever lived in the city?! I have lived in places like Ilkley and was stifled by the small mindedness and sense of entitlement. (successful people live here as well...and in other places too). I've always rooted for the underdog, they're always more entertaining Timjamesphillips
  • Score: 0

6:34pm Tue 12 Aug 14

SinnerSaint says...

Timjamesphillips wrote:
Your choosing to live in Ilkley (thought so) satisfies two purposes: 1.) It allows you to feel superior to other people and places and keep you warm at night. 2.) it allows me the benefit of amazingly beautiful ,cheap property that is nowhere near people with views like you As alien as it may seem to you, many people actually choose to live in the place you describe, despite it's well known problems... so just imagine how good the benefits must be to outweigh all that? I don't imagine however, that this would fit in with your preconceptions...hav e you ever lived in the city?! I have lived in places like Ilkley and was stifled by the small mindedness and sense of entitlement. (successful people live here as well...and in other places too). I've always rooted for the underdog, they're always more entertaining
Good for you Tim, sounds like you're as happy as a pig in the proverbial. Enjoy rooting for the underdog - it's had it's day, is missing a couple of legs and it stinks!
[quote][p][bold]Timjamesphillips[/bold] wrote: Your choosing to live in Ilkley (thought so) satisfies two purposes: 1.) It allows you to feel superior to other people and places and keep you warm at night. 2.) it allows me the benefit of amazingly beautiful ,cheap property that is nowhere near people with views like you As alien as it may seem to you, many people actually choose to live in the place you describe, despite it's well known problems... so just imagine how good the benefits must be to outweigh all that? I don't imagine however, that this would fit in with your preconceptions...hav e you ever lived in the city?! I have lived in places like Ilkley and was stifled by the small mindedness and sense of entitlement. (successful people live here as well...and in other places too). I've always rooted for the underdog, they're always more entertaining[/p][/quote]Good for you Tim, sounds like you're as happy as a pig in the proverbial. Enjoy rooting for the underdog - it's had it's day, is missing a couple of legs and it stinks! SinnerSaint
  • Score: -3

8:23am Wed 13 Aug 14

johnh1 says...

Timjamesphillips wrote:
Your choosing to live in Ilkley (thought so) satisfies two purposes:

1.) It allows you to feel superior to other people and places and keep you warm at night.
2.) it allows me the benefit of amazingly beautiful ,cheap property that is nowhere near people with views like you

As alien as it may seem to you, many people actually choose to live in the place you describe, despite it's well known problems... so just imagine how good the benefits must be to outweigh all that? I don't imagine however, that this would fit in with your preconceptions...hav

e you ever lived in the city?! I have lived in places like Ilkley and was stifled by the small mindedness and sense of entitlement. (successful people live here as well...and in other places too).

I've always rooted for the underdog, they're always more entertaining
I have always rooted for the middle class they dont know which way to turn.
[quote][p][bold]Timjamesphillips[/bold] wrote: Your choosing to live in Ilkley (thought so) satisfies two purposes: 1.) It allows you to feel superior to other people and places and keep you warm at night. 2.) it allows me the benefit of amazingly beautiful ,cheap property that is nowhere near people with views like you As alien as it may seem to you, many people actually choose to live in the place you describe, despite it's well known problems... so just imagine how good the benefits must be to outweigh all that? I don't imagine however, that this would fit in with your preconceptions...hav e you ever lived in the city?! I have lived in places like Ilkley and was stifled by the small mindedness and sense of entitlement. (successful people live here as well...and in other places too). I've always rooted for the underdog, they're always more entertaining[/p][/quote]I have always rooted for the middle class they dont know which way to turn. johnh1
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4:52pm Mon 25 Aug 14

bcfc1903 says...

BCFC1911 wrote:
bcfc1903 wrote:
There are many many world class artists that could and would play Bradford Live. I'm sure bands such as Gov't Mule or just Warren Haynes doing a solo gig, Joe Bonamassa, Paul Rodgers, Sinead O'Connor, Jessie J, Lissie, Ellie Goulding, John Mayer, John Newman, Joe Satriani, Lily Allen, Vanessa Carlton, Bat For Lashes, James Blunt, Joanne Shaw Taylor, The Kooks, Show of Hands, First Aid Kit, Seth Lakeman, Marl Knopfler and many many more that are brilliant but have yet to get popular enough to be able fill arenas. You could also get an arena band/artist to open a world class facility such as Bradford Live.

I digress but take in a sneaky peak tour of City Hall, what a magnificent building that is and follow that up by taking a walk around Little Germany, breath taking architecture, then as we did yesterday finish the tour of Bradford by taking in a relaxing coffee at the Wool Exchange.
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"I digress but take in a sneaky peak tour of City Hall, what a magnificent building that is, full of greedy backstabbing, brown envelope holding Councillors and town hall employees with no idea of what job they actually do. Follow that up by taking a walk around Little Germany, breath taking architecture, drugs available on every street corner and now some ladies to entertain gentlemen. Should they get bored then after finishing the tour of Little Germany's drug production and cutting apartments they can finish the tour of Bradford by taking in a relaxing coffee at the Wool Exchange after fighting through the crowds of beggars and alcoholics
There are many many world class artists that could and would play Bradford Live. I'm sure bands such as Gov't Mule or just Warren Haynes doing a solo gig, Joe Bonamassa, Paul Rodgers, Sinead O'Connor, Jessie J, Lissie, Ellie Goulding, John Mayer, John Newman, Joe Satriani, Lily Allen, Vanessa Carlton, Bat For Lashes, James Blunt, Joanne Shaw Taylor, The Kooks, Show of Hands, First Aid Kit, Seth Lakeman, Marl Knopfler and many many more that are brilliant but have yet to get popular enough to be able fill arenas. You could also get an arena band/artist to open a world class facility such as Bradford Live.

I digress but take in a sneaky peak tour of City Hall, what a magnificent building that is and follow that up by taking a walk around Little Germany, breath taking architecture, then as we did yesterday finish the tour of Bradford by taking in a relaxing coffee at the Wool Exchange.
[quote][p][bold]BCFC1911[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]bcfc1903[/bold] wrote: There are many many world class artists that could and would play Bradford Live. I'm sure bands such as Gov't Mule or just Warren Haynes doing a solo gig, Joe Bonamassa, Paul Rodgers, Sinead O'Connor, Jessie J, Lissie, Ellie Goulding, John Mayer, John Newman, Joe Satriani, Lily Allen, Vanessa Carlton, Bat For Lashes, James Blunt, Joanne Shaw Taylor, The Kooks, Show of Hands, First Aid Kit, Seth Lakeman, Marl Knopfler and many many more that are brilliant but have yet to get popular enough to be able fill arenas. You could also get an arena band/artist to open a world class facility such as Bradford Live. I digress but take in a sneaky peak tour of City Hall, what a magnificent building that is and follow that up by taking a walk around Little Germany, breath taking architecture, then as we did yesterday finish the tour of Bradford by taking in a relaxing coffee at the Wool Exchange.[/p][/quote]Corrected for truth "I digress but take in a sneaky peak tour of City Hall, what a magnificent building that is, full of greedy backstabbing, brown envelope holding Councillors and town hall employees with no idea of what job they actually do. Follow that up by taking a walk around Little Germany, breath taking architecture, drugs available on every street corner and now some ladies to entertain gentlemen. Should they get bored then after finishing the tour of Little Germany's drug production and cutting apartments they can finish the tour of Bradford by taking in a relaxing coffee at the Wool Exchange after fighting through the crowds of beggars and alcoholics[/p][/quote]There are many many world class artists that could and would play Bradford Live. I'm sure bands such as Gov't Mule or just Warren Haynes doing a solo gig, Joe Bonamassa, Paul Rodgers, Sinead O'Connor, Jessie J, Lissie, Ellie Goulding, John Mayer, John Newman, Joe Satriani, Lily Allen, Vanessa Carlton, Bat For Lashes, James Blunt, Joanne Shaw Taylor, The Kooks, Show of Hands, First Aid Kit, Seth Lakeman, Marl Knopfler and many many more that are brilliant but have yet to get popular enough to be able fill arenas. You could also get an arena band/artist to open a world class facility such as Bradford Live. I digress but take in a sneaky peak tour of City Hall, what a magnificent building that is and follow that up by taking a walk around Little Germany, breath taking architecture, then as we did yesterday finish the tour of Bradford by taking in a relaxing coffee at the Wool Exchange. bcfc1903
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