Wyke bus lane catches more than 3,000 drivers in first year

Bus Lane on Huddersfield road

Bus Lane on Huddersfield road

First published in News

THOUSANDS of motorists have so far been fined for straying into new bus lanes along one of the district's busiest roads.

A total of 3,098 drivers have been slapped with the £60 penalties at Huddersfield Road, Bradford, since the lanes were installed eight months ago.

This could have netted the authority up to £185,880, although the fines are reduced to £30 if paid swiftly.

The bus lanes were introduced as part of a wider £67,000 road improvement scheme along the A641, which links Bradford with Huddersfield.

This work is being hailed as a big success but one ward councillor said he was concerned at the number of drivers being caught using the bus lanes.

Councillor David Robinson (Ind, Wyke) said: "There has been a heck of a lot of tickets being issued, into the thousands, which concerns me, because the signage is there. It's either people not realising, or abusing it.

"The bus lane has been a success but we need the public to be aware that it is there."

Fellow ward councillor Sarah Ferriby (Lab, Wyke) said there was no problem with overgrowth obscuring the bus lane signs.

She said: "It's clear and it's highly visible."

And Councillor David Warburton (Lab, Wyke) urged motorists to pay heed to these signs to avoid the penalties.

He said: "Lanes are in operation and regrettably, if you drive in them during the times when they are limited to buses, be aware you will be ticketed."

A Bradford Council spokesman said the number of drivers being caught out was reducing month-by-month as people's behaviour changed.

The overall traffic scheme covers a stretch of Huddersfield Road and Woodside Road between Wyke and Odsal, and was funded jointly by Metro and Bradford South Area Committee.

It included improvements to the junction of Huddersfield Road with Netherlands Avenue, and a mixture of peak-time and 24-hour bus lanes into and out of the city.

A new Bradford Council report said both the police and highways officers thought traffic had eased and safety had improved as a result of the scheme.

All three ward councillors agreed.

Cllr Ferriby said not just the main road, but side streets joining it had seen traffic levels ease.

She said: "Traffic used to stack up and it was extremely dangerous. I can say that it has improved."

And Cllr Robinson said the work had alleviated congestion "without a doubt".

He said: "Traffic seems to flow better. Whether there's more people using public transport, I wouldn't like to say, but I think it has been positive."

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6:11am Mon 21 Jul 14

spearmint wino says...

Can anyone tell me why Netherlands Ave is access only and 20mph? What's so special about this road?
Shame the bus lane/red light/speed cameras don't also catch the uninsured and unlicensed as well.
Can anyone tell me why Netherlands Ave is access only and 20mph? What's so special about this road? Shame the bus lane/red light/speed cameras don't also catch the uninsured and unlicensed as well. spearmint wino
  • Score: 33

7:14am Mon 21 Jul 14

tinytoonster says...

absolute rubbish!
traffic eased?
try going down there in peak time, its a nightmare.
the so called improvements near netherlands are a joke, you have to be in the right lane because of bus lane but then when you want to go down netherlands you have to cut across into left lane at the last second.
totally stupid!
like spearmint says, why is netherlands access only at the top half?
public road like any other.
miserable old sods complained to warburton and ferriby.
must be family!!
absolute rubbish! traffic eased? try going down there in peak time, its a nightmare. the so called improvements near netherlands are a joke, you have to be in the right lane because of bus lane but then when you want to go down netherlands you have to cut across into left lane at the last second. totally stupid! like spearmint says, why is netherlands access only at the top half? public road like any other. miserable old sods complained to warburton and ferriby. must be family!! tinytoonster
  • Score: 35

7:17am Mon 21 Jul 14

tinytoonster says...

just like manchester road bus lane and the puddle, WASTE OF OUR MONEY!!
just like manchester road bus lane and the puddle, WASTE OF OUR MONEY!! tinytoonster
  • Score: 23

7:25am Mon 21 Jul 14

collos25 says...

Its never a success its just a mad cap idea to raise money if a councillor thinks its a success then he must be in cloud cuckoo land.
Its never a success its just a mad cap idea to raise money if a councillor thinks its a success then he must be in cloud cuckoo land. collos25
  • Score: 25

8:43am Mon 21 Jul 14

Storck says...

tinytoonster wrote:
just like manchester road bus lane and the puddle, WASTE OF OUR MONEY!!
How is it a waste of money when it has turned a profit? That is money well invested.

If people can not read the signs then they shouldn't be driving
[quote][p][bold]tinytoonster[/bold] wrote: just like manchester road bus lane and the puddle, WASTE OF OUR MONEY!![/p][/quote]How is it a waste of money when it has turned a profit? That is money well invested. If people can not read the signs then they shouldn't be driving Storck
  • Score: -8

9:49am Mon 21 Jul 14

collos25 says...

Storck wrote:
tinytoonster wrote:
just like manchester road bus lane and the puddle, WASTE OF OUR MONEY!!
How is it a waste of money when it has turned a profit? That is money well invested.

If people can not read the signs then they shouldn't be driving
Don,t talk about a subject you obviously know so little
[quote][p][bold]Storck[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]tinytoonster[/bold] wrote: just like manchester road bus lane and the puddle, WASTE OF OUR MONEY!![/p][/quote]How is it a waste of money when it has turned a profit? That is money well invested. If people can not read the signs then they shouldn't be driving[/p][/quote]Don,t talk about a subject you obviously know so little collos25
  • Score: -12

9:50am Mon 21 Jul 14

webshow says...

Bus lane cameras are just a cash cow and any other excuse is a fib to put wool over the drivers and council tax payers eyes.
Speed cameras, council camera cars, bus lane cameras
IT IS ALL FOR MONEY.
Bus lane cameras are just a cash cow and any other excuse is a fib to put wool over the drivers and council tax payers eyes. Speed cameras, council camera cars, bus lane cameras IT IS ALL FOR MONEY. webshow
  • Score: 22

10:03am Mon 21 Jul 14

northern pig says...

spearmint wino wrote:
Can anyone tell me why Netherlands Ave is access only and 20mph? What's so special about this road?
Shame the bus lane/red light/speed cameras don't also catch the uninsured and unlicensed as well.
Access in name only ,It is used by thousands every day! the upside is, it takes some of the pressure off the Odsal top roundabout. Netherlands Avenue should never have been designated access only ,madness.
[quote][p][bold]spearmint wino[/bold] wrote: Can anyone tell me why Netherlands Ave is access only and 20mph? What's so special about this road? Shame the bus lane/red light/speed cameras don't also catch the uninsured and unlicensed as well.[/p][/quote]Access in name only ,It is used by thousands every day! the upside is, it takes some of the pressure off the Odsal top roundabout. Netherlands Avenue should never have been designated access only ,madness. northern pig
  • Score: 18

10:14am Mon 21 Jul 14

Makollig Jezvahted says...

You can bet every one of these tickets has been issued unlawfully. Councils never fully comply with the Traffic Regulation Order that allows then to issue fines. If you have got one or get one in the future, go to PePiPoo website - google it, they will help you fight it absolutely free of charge. Usually I'd say if you don't want a ticket don't go in a bus lane, but the enforcement of these is nothing to do with the spirit of the law, just a money grabbing exercise.
You can bet every one of these tickets has been issued unlawfully. Councils never fully comply with the Traffic Regulation Order that allows then to issue fines. If you have got one or get one in the future, go to PePiPoo website - google it, they will help you fight it absolutely free of charge. Usually I'd say if you don't want a ticket don't go in a bus lane, but the enforcement of these is nothing to do with the spirit of the law, just a money grabbing exercise. Makollig Jezvahted
  • Score: 29

10:51am Mon 21 Jul 14

bd7 helper says...

Another way to make more money?

What happens to this money!
Where does it go.
Another way to make more money? What happens to this money! Where does it go. bd7 helper
  • Score: 22

11:00am Mon 21 Jul 14

webshow says...

bd7 helper wrote:
Another way to make more money?

What happens to this money!
Where does it go.
Spent on more enforcement or pop up the council workers pensions.
[quote][p][bold]bd7 helper[/bold] wrote: Another way to make more money? What happens to this money! Where does it go.[/p][/quote]Spent on more enforcement or pop up the council workers pensions. webshow
  • Score: 8

11:44am Mon 21 Jul 14

Count Jim Moriarty says...

webshow wrote:
bd7 helper wrote:
Another way to make more money?

What happens to this money!
Where does it go.
Spent on more enforcement or pop up the council workers pensions.
And you know this how? Pray tell...
[quote][p][bold]webshow[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]bd7 helper[/bold] wrote: Another way to make more money? What happens to this money! Where does it go.[/p][/quote]Spent on more enforcement or pop up the council workers pensions.[/p][/quote]And you know this how? Pray tell... Count Jim Moriarty
  • Score: 7

12:46pm Mon 21 Jul 14

Size3_ says...

In what way exactly has this been a success other than lining their pockets?

Traffic was horrific before the alterations and it little short of disastrous now....how do they measure success???
In what way exactly has this been a success other than lining their pockets? Traffic was horrific before the alterations and it little short of disastrous now....how do they measure success??? Size3_
  • Score: 21

1:50pm Mon 21 Jul 14

yezboss says...

Why are there ANY 24/7 bus lanes where buses do not run 24/7 what an absolute nonsense. A waste of road space. And yes a cash cow.
And yes appeal to the TPT, none of the 'BUS LANE CAMERAS' signs are lawful, they just do not exist in law.
Why are there ANY 24/7 bus lanes where buses do not run 24/7 what an absolute nonsense. A waste of road space. And yes a cash cow. And yes appeal to the TPT, none of the 'BUS LANE CAMERAS' signs are lawful, they just do not exist in law. yezboss
  • Score: 12

1:51pm Mon 21 Jul 14

basil fawlty says...

The large number once again confirms that the Bradford area is full of poor drivers who should be kicked off the road for everyone's safety.
The large number once again confirms that the Bradford area is full of poor drivers who should be kicked off the road for everyone's safety. basil fawlty
  • Score: -6

2:09pm Mon 21 Jul 14

locky1667 says...

yezboss wrote:
Why are there ANY 24/7 bus lanes where buses do not run 24/7 what an absolute nonsense. A waste of road space. And yes a cash cow.
And yes appeal to the TPT, none of the 'BUS LANE CAMERAS' signs are lawful, they just do not exist in law.
I don't know of any twenty four hour bus lanes in Bradford. They are timed on the signage but people don't read them, Manningham Lane is a prime example
[quote][p][bold]yezboss[/bold] wrote: Why are there ANY 24/7 bus lanes where buses do not run 24/7 what an absolute nonsense. A waste of road space. And yes a cash cow. And yes appeal to the TPT, none of the 'BUS LANE CAMERAS' signs are lawful, they just do not exist in law.[/p][/quote]I don't know of any twenty four hour bus lanes in Bradford. They are timed on the signage but people don't read them, Manningham Lane is a prime example locky1667
  • Score: 2

2:36pm Mon 21 Jul 14

yezboss says...

locky1667 wrote:
yezboss wrote:
Why are there ANY 24/7 bus lanes where buses do not run 24/7 what an absolute nonsense. A waste of road space. And yes a cash cow.
And yes appeal to the TPT, none of the 'BUS LANE CAMERAS' signs are lawful, they just do not exist in law.
I don't know of any twenty four hour bus lanes in Bradford. They are timed on the signage but people don't read them, Manningham Lane is a prime example
The Huddersfield Road inbound is one in question. 24/7 ban on other vehicles. Suggest you have a look.
[quote][p][bold]locky1667[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]yezboss[/bold] wrote: Why are there ANY 24/7 bus lanes where buses do not run 24/7 what an absolute nonsense. A waste of road space. And yes a cash cow. And yes appeal to the TPT, none of the 'BUS LANE CAMERAS' signs are lawful, they just do not exist in law.[/p][/quote]I don't know of any twenty four hour bus lanes in Bradford. They are timed on the signage but people don't read them, Manningham Lane is a prime example[/p][/quote]The Huddersfield Road inbound is one in question. 24/7 ban on other vehicles. Suggest you have a look. yezboss
  • Score: 9

2:38pm Mon 21 Jul 14

yezboss says...

yezboss wrote:
locky1667 wrote:
yezboss wrote:
Why are there ANY 24/7 bus lanes where buses do not run 24/7 what an absolute nonsense. A waste of road space. And yes a cash cow.
And yes appeal to the TPT, none of the 'BUS LANE CAMERAS' signs are lawful, they just do not exist in law.
I don't know of any twenty four hour bus lanes in Bradford. They are timed on the signage but people don't read them, Manningham Lane is a prime example
The Huddersfield Road inbound is one in question. 24/7 ban on other vehicles. Suggest you have a look.
My apologies its Woodside Road there.
[quote][p][bold]yezboss[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]locky1667[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]yezboss[/bold] wrote: Why are there ANY 24/7 bus lanes where buses do not run 24/7 what an absolute nonsense. A waste of road space. And yes a cash cow. And yes appeal to the TPT, none of the 'BUS LANE CAMERAS' signs are lawful, they just do not exist in law.[/p][/quote]I don't know of any twenty four hour bus lanes in Bradford. They are timed on the signage but people don't read them, Manningham Lane is a prime example[/p][/quote]The Huddersfield Road inbound is one in question. 24/7 ban on other vehicles. Suggest you have a look.[/p][/quote]My apologies its Woodside Road there. yezboss
  • Score: 8

4:02pm Mon 21 Jul 14

Duke of Odsal says...

Whilst I can't comment on the success of the scheme as a whole, the adjustments to the Hudds Rd junction with Netherlands Ave has most certainly been a success. Prior to this work being done the junction was a free for all with accidents occurring regularly as drivers congregated sometimes three abreast on the crossover. Personally I think the reductions in speed limit are pretty pointless. We now have 30 mph on Hudds Rd which is clearly a 40mph designed road. Honest drivers struggle to stay within the new limit particularly on the downward slope after Odsal outbound, meanwhile those that have little regard for limits continue to speed - just 10mph more over the limit than before. The same is true of Netherlands Ave - 20mph is simply too slow for most cars especially on the downwards slope.
Whilst I can't comment on the success of the scheme as a whole, the adjustments to the Hudds Rd junction with Netherlands Ave has most certainly been a success. Prior to this work being done the junction was a free for all with accidents occurring regularly as drivers congregated sometimes three abreast on the crossover. Personally I think the reductions in speed limit are pretty pointless. We now have 30 mph on Hudds Rd which is clearly a 40mph designed road. Honest drivers struggle to stay within the new limit particularly on the downward slope after Odsal outbound, meanwhile those that have little regard for limits continue to speed - just 10mph more over the limit than before. The same is true of Netherlands Ave - 20mph is simply too slow for most cars especially on the downwards slope. Duke of Odsal
  • Score: 10

7:08pm Mon 21 Jul 14

yezboss says...

Duke of Odsal wrote:
Whilst I can't comment on the success of the scheme as a whole, the adjustments to the Hudds Rd junction with Netherlands Ave has most certainly been a success. Prior to this work being done the junction was a free for all with accidents occurring regularly as drivers congregated sometimes three abreast on the crossover. Personally I think the reductions in speed limit are pretty pointless. We now have 30 mph on Hudds Rd which is clearly a 40mph designed road. Honest drivers struggle to stay within the new limit particularly on the downward slope after Odsal outbound, meanwhile those that have little regard for limits continue to speed - just 10mph more over the limit than before. The same is true of Netherlands Ave - 20mph is simply too slow for most cars especially on the downwards slope.
Well what you are experiencing is the work of Bradford Councils Highways officers. Some of whom do not even have a driving licence let alone the ability to drive o even begin to understand the behaviour of a vehicle. Not my words but those of a past Lord Mayor!
[quote][p][bold]Duke of Odsal[/bold] wrote: Whilst I can't comment on the success of the scheme as a whole, the adjustments to the Hudds Rd junction with Netherlands Ave has most certainly been a success. Prior to this work being done the junction was a free for all with accidents occurring regularly as drivers congregated sometimes three abreast on the crossover. Personally I think the reductions in speed limit are pretty pointless. We now have 30 mph on Hudds Rd which is clearly a 40mph designed road. Honest drivers struggle to stay within the new limit particularly on the downward slope after Odsal outbound, meanwhile those that have little regard for limits continue to speed - just 10mph more over the limit than before. The same is true of Netherlands Ave - 20mph is simply too slow for most cars especially on the downwards slope.[/p][/quote]Well what you are experiencing is the work of Bradford Councils Highways officers. Some of whom do not even have a driving licence let alone the ability to drive o even begin to understand the behaviour of a vehicle. Not my words but those of a past Lord Mayor! yezboss
  • Score: 7

8:23pm Mon 21 Jul 14

linebacker2 says...

locky1667 wrote:
yezboss wrote:
Why are there ANY 24/7 bus lanes where buses do not run 24/7 what an absolute nonsense. A waste of road space. And yes a cash cow.
And yes appeal to the TPT, none of the 'BUS LANE CAMERAS' signs are lawful, they just do not exist in law.
I don't know of any twenty four hour bus lanes in Bradford. They are timed on the signage but people don't read them, Manningham Lane is a prime example
Bridge Street bus lane in the city centre is just one example of a 24/7 bus lane in Bradford and it's a big money spinner for the council.
[quote][p][bold]locky1667[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]yezboss[/bold] wrote: Why are there ANY 24/7 bus lanes where buses do not run 24/7 what an absolute nonsense. A waste of road space. And yes a cash cow. And yes appeal to the TPT, none of the 'BUS LANE CAMERAS' signs are lawful, they just do not exist in law.[/p][/quote]I don't know of any twenty four hour bus lanes in Bradford. They are timed on the signage but people don't read them, Manningham Lane is a prime example[/p][/quote]Bridge Street bus lane in the city centre is just one example of a 24/7 bus lane in Bradford and it's a big money spinner for the council. linebacker2
  • Score: 7

9:39pm Mon 21 Jul 14

micela22 says...

shame there aren`t cameras to catch the cars & police cars in the wrong lanes at Odsal Top, wouldn`t like to suggest they are queue jumping. I stick to 30mph now on Bradford Roads much to the annoyance of other drivers to prevent me from being criminalised, despite blatant use of mobiles whilst driving, kids & adults not wearing seatbelts etc, etc, etc
shame there aren`t cameras to catch the cars & police cars in the wrong lanes at Odsal Top, wouldn`t like to suggest they are queue jumping. I stick to 30mph now on Bradford Roads much to the annoyance of other drivers to prevent me from being criminalised, despite blatant use of mobiles whilst driving, kids & adults not wearing seatbelts etc, etc, etc micela22
  • Score: 5

9:56pm Mon 21 Jul 14

locky1667 says...

locky1667 wrote:
yezboss wrote:
Why are there ANY 24/7 bus lanes where buses do not run 24/7 what an absolute nonsense. A waste of road space. And yes a cash cow.
And yes appeal to the TPT, none of the 'BUS LANE CAMERAS' signs are lawful, they just do not exist in law.
I don't know of any twenty four hour bus lanes in Bradford. They are timed on the signage but people don't read them, Manningham Lane is a prime example
I don't know of any twenty four hour bus lanes in Bradford. They are timed on the signage but people don't read them, Manningham Lane is a prime example.

I stand corrected but to be fair i said i wasnt aware.....
[quote][p][bold]locky1667[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]yezboss[/bold] wrote: Why are there ANY 24/7 bus lanes where buses do not run 24/7 what an absolute nonsense. A waste of road space. And yes a cash cow. And yes appeal to the TPT, none of the 'BUS LANE CAMERAS' signs are lawful, they just do not exist in law.[/p][/quote]I don't know of any twenty four hour bus lanes in Bradford. They are timed on the signage but people don't read them, Manningham Lane is a prime example[/p][/quote]I don't know of any twenty four hour bus lanes in Bradford. They are timed on the signage but people don't read them, Manningham Lane is a prime example. I stand corrected but to be fair i said i wasnt aware..... locky1667
  • Score: 3

12:00am Tue 22 Jul 14

vax2002 says...

Ok Here is how to not pay.

Appeal to the council on the basis that road markings do not meet regulations " A bus lane should be commenced by a diagonal taper in the form of a dashed line approximately 30m long to give drivers time to change lane "
+
The roadmarkings for this bus lane do not comply with the Traffic Signs Regulations and General Directions 2002. The words bus and cycle lane are only permitted for contra flow, not normal with flow bus lanes.

Await the rubber stamped rejection from the council then appeal to the adjudicator with the same appeal.
If this is the correct picture, the "Bus lane is not compliant in any way with regulations.
Ok Here is how to not pay. Appeal to the council on the basis that road markings do not meet regulations " A bus lane should be commenced by a diagonal taper in the form of a dashed line approximately 30m long to give drivers time to change lane " + The roadmarkings for this bus lane do not comply with the Traffic Signs Regulations and General Directions 2002. The words bus and cycle lane are only permitted for contra flow, not normal with flow bus lanes. Await the rubber stamped rejection from the council then appeal to the adjudicator with the same appeal. If this is the correct picture, the "Bus lane is not compliant in any way with regulations. vax2002
  • Score: 6

12:08am Tue 22 Jul 14

vax2002 says...

PS Councillors : Councillor David Robinson (Ind, Wyke)


Fellow ward councillor Sarah Ferriby (Lab, Wyke)


And Councillor David Warburton (Lab, Wyke)

Go read the VERY CLEAR regulations on Bus lanes and then look at yours.
Then look at what happened at Lendel bridge, put your chests back in and get ready to refund everyone your illegally signed and marked bus lane has ripped off.

I wrote the defence for York Lendel bridge and posted it for all to see on the York press and I have written the one above, if that picture is correct, the reason your bus lane is catching people is because it is not compliant with regulations .
Oh Dear.
Game up !
Nothing personal, just upholding the law, by pointing out illegalities !
PS Councillors : Councillor David Robinson (Ind, Wyke) Fellow ward councillor Sarah Ferriby (Lab, Wyke) And Councillor David Warburton (Lab, Wyke) Go read the VERY CLEAR regulations on Bus lanes and then look at yours. Then look at what happened at Lendel bridge, put your chests back in and get ready to refund everyone your illegally signed and marked bus lane has ripped off. I wrote the defence for York Lendel bridge and posted it for all to see on the York press and I have written the one above, if that picture is correct, the reason your bus lane is catching people is because it is not compliant with regulations . Oh Dear. Game up ! Nothing personal, just upholding the law, by pointing out illegalities ! vax2002
  • Score: 5

2:11pm Tue 22 Jul 14

yezboss says...

vax2002 wrote:
Ok Here is how to not pay.

Appeal to the council on the basis that road markings do not meet regulations " A bus lane should be commenced by a diagonal taper in the form of a dashed line approximately 30m long to give drivers time to change lane "
+
The roadmarkings for this bus lane do not comply with the Traffic Signs Regulations and General Directions 2002. The words bus and cycle lane are only permitted for contra flow, not normal with flow bus lanes.

Await the rubber stamped rejection from the council then appeal to the adjudicator with the same appeal.
If this is the correct picture, the "Bus lane is not compliant in any way with regulations.
The taper line is only required for bus lanes and not bus gates as it cannot be fitted in. (In fact there is no legislation whatsoever to enable bus gates but a High Court Decision said they had to make do and mend - its the best they have!!) The taper has to be not less than 1:10, in other words if the lane width is 3 metres the taper cannot be less than 30 metres. Many of these tapers I agree do NOT conform to the Regs because the are too short. I am not sure about the wording 'bus and cycle' but as I have said above the BUS LANE CAMERA sign is illegal as it does not even exist in those same regs. The same High Court decision. Oxford CC v the Bus Lane Adj in 2009 in the Birmingham High Court decided this. However it seems the TPS adjudicators do not seem to follow case precedents though and judge every case on it's merits which in my opinion flies in the face of natural justice. So yes appeal every one. It's not arduous for the appelant but is for councils. It's very manpower intensive and like York Council they wil soon tire.
[quote][p][bold]vax2002[/bold] wrote: Ok Here is how to not pay. Appeal to the council on the basis that road markings do not meet regulations " A bus lane should be commenced by a diagonal taper in the form of a dashed line approximately 30m long to give drivers time to change lane " + The roadmarkings for this bus lane do not comply with the Traffic Signs Regulations and General Directions 2002. The words bus and cycle lane are only permitted for contra flow, not normal with flow bus lanes. Await the rubber stamped rejection from the council then appeal to the adjudicator with the same appeal. If this is the correct picture, the "Bus lane is not compliant in any way with regulations.[/p][/quote]The taper line is only required for bus lanes and not bus gates as it cannot be fitted in. (In fact there is no legislation whatsoever to enable bus gates but a High Court Decision said they had to make do and mend - its the best they have!!) The taper has to be not less than 1:10, in other words if the lane width is 3 metres the taper cannot be less than 30 metres. Many of these tapers I agree do NOT conform to the Regs because the are too short. I am not sure about the wording 'bus and cycle' but as I have said above the BUS LANE CAMERA sign is illegal as it does not even exist in those same regs. The same High Court decision. Oxford CC v the Bus Lane Adj in 2009 in the Birmingham High Court decided this. However it seems the TPS adjudicators do not seem to follow case precedents though and judge every case on it's merits which in my opinion flies in the face of natural justice. So yes appeal every one. It's not arduous for the appelant but is for councils. It's very manpower intensive and like York Council they wil soon tire. yezboss
  • Score: 1

5:07pm Tue 22 Jul 14

Tinybantam says...

basil fawlty wrote:
The large number once again confirms that the Bradford area is full of poor drivers who should be kicked off the road for everyone's safety.
Quite right Basil.......don't complain if you are caught, because the signs are big enough to see, and they are legal, despite what one poster above says. I fyou can't read the signs, or don't feel that you should have to obey them, then you shouldn't be driving...........on
ce again it shows the poor standard of driving in Bradford.
[quote][p][bold]basil fawlty[/bold] wrote: The large number once again confirms that the Bradford area is full of poor drivers who should be kicked off the road for everyone's safety.[/p][/quote]Quite right Basil.......don't complain if you are caught, because the signs are big enough to see, and they are legal, despite what one poster above says. I fyou can't read the signs, or don't feel that you should have to obey them, then you shouldn't be driving...........on ce again it shows the poor standard of driving in Bradford. Tinybantam
  • Score: 0

5:43pm Tue 22 Jul 14

yezboss says...

Tinyb
What you is only partly correct. I dont have a problem with anynoe getting punished for doing something wrong if the law they breach is correct.
However what you should understand is two (alleged) wrongs do not make a right. In other words if the 'Authority' for those signs is wrong i.e. If they are not legal then there is no offence. (or breach as this is now decriminalised civil law) That applies to all such law provided by crimnal law (Bit of mismatch I'm afraid).
We have given the reasons for why we say they are wrong. Please give yours supporting why you say they are right. You cannot just say they are right and lawful you must support that opinion with legal facts substantiating what you assert.
By the way I comply regardless of them being illegal.
Tinyb What you is only partly correct. I dont have a problem with anynoe getting punished for doing something wrong if the law they breach is correct. However what you should understand is two (alleged) wrongs do not make a right. In other words if the 'Authority' for those signs is wrong i.e. If they are not legal then there is no offence. (or breach as this is now decriminalised civil law) That applies to all such law provided by crimnal law (Bit of mismatch I'm afraid). We have given the reasons for why we say they are wrong. Please give yours supporting why you say they are right. You cannot just say they are right and lawful you must support that opinion with legal facts substantiating what you assert. By the way I comply regardless of them being illegal. yezboss
  • Score: 1

1:05pm Wed 23 Jul 14

Makollig Jezvahted says...

The problem here is that the council relentlessly pursue even the most minor of infringements, such as putting one wheel inside the line while manoeuvring around a cyclist or when moving into a left turn lane a few inches too early. If they want to be this rigid then they have to be that rigid in their approach to following the regulations. It's not about the signs being big enough at all, they have to be made to an exact specification which has been decided over years to make sure they are easily visible IN ALL CONDITIONS. Even a few degrees of twist on a sign that is supposed to be facing you can make it unreadable when wet with street light reflections. The rules are there for a reason and they must follow them. If they applied some common sense when issuing tickets for minor breaches we'd all be more than willing to do so when they make a minor mistake with signs, but they started this - not us. We are just reacting in kind. The reduced fine if you pay up quickly is just there to discourage those that have a legitimate case from appealing. If everyone appealed, they would go under with the paperwork. A recent case I had, Birmingham council prepared 96 pages of evidence when I took them to tribunal over a £3 pay and display ticket. They lost of course, but what did it cost them to do that? Misappropriation of funds if you ask me.
The problem here is that the council relentlessly pursue even the most minor of infringements, such as putting one wheel inside the line while manoeuvring around a cyclist or when moving into a left turn lane a few inches too early. If they want to be this rigid then they have to be that rigid in their approach to following the regulations. It's not about the signs being big enough at all, they have to be made to an exact specification which has been decided over years to make sure they are easily visible IN ALL CONDITIONS. Even a few degrees of twist on a sign that is supposed to be facing you can make it unreadable when wet with street light reflections. The rules are there for a reason and they must follow them. If they applied some common sense when issuing tickets for minor breaches we'd all be more than willing to do so when they make a minor mistake with signs, but they started this - not us. We are just reacting in kind. The reduced fine if you pay up quickly is just there to discourage those that have a legitimate case from appealing. If everyone appealed, they would go under with the paperwork. A recent case I had, Birmingham council prepared 96 pages of evidence when I took them to tribunal over a £3 pay and display ticket. They lost of course, but what did it cost them to do that? Misappropriation of funds if you ask me. Makollig Jezvahted
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