Union accuses fire chiefs of putting lives in danger by removing appliances from some fire stations during strikes

WARNING: David Williams, brigade secretary of the Fire Brigades Union, who says lives have been put at risk

CONCERN: Haworth Parish Council chairman John Huxley outside the fire station

First published in News

A UNION chief said people's lives were put in danger after fire engines were removed from two of the Bradford district's fire stations for an entire day.

It emerged yesterday that Bradford and the retained station at Haworth were among eight stations in West Yorkshire that had an engine parked up at fire service headquarters in Birkenshaw on Monday as strike action from firefighters got under way.

Fire chiefs had decided to remove fire engines from the stations for the duration of an eight-day strike period - which would have left Haworth with no fire cover at all.

But, after the plans went ahead on Monday, bosses have now decided to only remove the engines during each period of strikes which are being held every day until next Monday.

This, including travelling time, could still leave the retained station at Haworth without any fire cover for between three and four hours twice a day. The number of fire engines at Bradford station during periods of strike action will be reduced to one.

David Williams, brigade secretary of the Fire Brigades Union, said: "It is absolutely putting people's lives in danger. There is no sense behind it at all. I am trying desperately to think outside the box as to why the decision was taken.

"It is crazy, I am gobsmacked by it. I don't know what their end game was with this one at all."

Mr Williams continued: "They had seven days notice of the strike action. They had seven days to come up with a contingency plan and that was the best they could come up with - to take eight engines away from the busiest stations.

"Then a day later they decided it was a bad idea. We could have told them that."

He added: "They left Haworth with no fire cover at all. The nearest would have to come from Keighley, but there's only one engine there so that would have left that with no cover."

In response West Yorkshire Assistant Chief Fire Officer Dave Walton said: "We remain confident that the level of fire cover provided across Bradford and Haworth was entirely adequate and in line with our risk assessment.

"Bradford station had one engine operational during the non-strike period on Monday and the second engine was available for immediate redeployment should a major incident have occurred.

"The Haworth area was also covered by Keighley, Bingley, Illingworth, Silsden and Fairweather Green appliances.

"During Monday it became apparent that more staff were available as contingency personnel than originally thought, which allowed for the Haworth and Bradford engines to be returned to station."

The eight-day industrial action has been split into 15 two-hour strikes and is scheduled to finish at 7pm on Monday.

Mr Walton said: “The series of short strikes reflect a change in tactic by the FBU.

“We are dealing with a situation where more than 97 per cent of our staff who would normally ride on a fire engine are unavailable to us during the strike periods. This presents a significant challenge to the delivery of an emergency service. However, by adapting our contingency plans we hope to provide the best possible means of keeping the people of West Yorkshire safe.”

John Huxley, chairman of Haworth Parish Council, said: "It is a very difficult situation."

He added: "We don't believe our community deserves to be left without fire cover. Senior officers in strike situations are left with serious situations to solve - this is obviously one of them."

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7:09am Wed 16 Jul 14

Albion. says...

It seems somewhat ironic that a striking union official should accuse the service of putting lives in danger.
It seems somewhat ironic that a striking union official should accuse the service of putting lives in danger. Albion.
  • Score: 30

7:30am Wed 16 Jul 14

Andy2010 says...

Top and bottom of it is the unions don't like it when these services continue just as well when their members go on strike.

It just shows that these strikes achieve diddly squat and just end up costing the taxpayer's more. Unions don't care as long as they get their subs and payments from the council to keep their leaders in the life they are accustomed to.

When are union members going to wake up and realise they are being taken for a ride on a toothless dodo
Top and bottom of it is the unions don't like it when these services continue just as well when their members go on strike. It just shows that these strikes achieve diddly squat and just end up costing the taxpayer's more. Unions don't care as long as they get their subs and payments from the council to keep their leaders in the life they are accustomed to. When are union members going to wake up and realise they are being taken for a ride on a toothless dodo Andy2010
  • Score: 26

8:00am Wed 16 Jul 14

Idlesteve says...

No sympathy for them sorry. THEY are putting lives at risk, WYF&R are deploying vehicles to stations that are active. Time the unions were brought to account and those who strike and risk lives are given disciplinary action. I recall a news story a few weeks ago down South where a man burned to death just 400yds from a fire station where the firefighters were on strike. What more proof if we need that this is wrong.
No sympathy for them sorry. THEY are putting lives at risk, WYF&R are deploying vehicles to stations that are active. Time the unions were brought to account and those who strike and risk lives are given disciplinary action. I recall a news story a few weeks ago down South where a man burned to death just 400yds from a fire station where the firefighters were on strike. What more proof if we need that this is wrong. Idlesteve
  • Score: 19

8:07am Wed 16 Jul 14

freespeech says...

Irony! Putting lives at risk
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Cut backs are happening throughout the public sector, wake (from your paid sleeping night shift) and smell the coffee! You have totally lost any public support!
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8:54am Wed 16 Jul 14

collos25 says...

freespeech wrote:
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Cut backs are happening throughout the public sector, wake (from your paid sleeping night shift) and smell the coffee! You have totally lost any public support!
No they have not, they have lost your support if they ever had it but if your house is on fire should they come or not after all you think they are all wasters.
[quote][p][bold]freespeech[/bold] wrote: Irony! Putting lives at risk http://www.thetelegr aphandargus.co.uk/ne ws/11312001.Cat_resc ued_from_tree/ http://www.thetelegr aphandargus.co.uk/ne ws/11318041.Cycle_ra ce_chaos_as_fire_eng ine_gets_trapped_und er_finish_line/ http://www.thetelegr aphandargus.co.uk/ne ws/11328531.Cleckhea ton_firefighters_res cue_horse_that_had_b een_trapped_in_a_hol e_for_24_hours/ http://www.thetelegr aphandargus.co.uk/ne ws/11321992.Fire_Bri gades_Union_announce s_new_wave_of_strike s/ Cut backs are happening throughout the public sector, wake (from your paid sleeping night shift) and smell the coffee! You have totally lost any public support![/p][/quote]No they have not, they have lost your support if they ever had it but if your house is on fire should they come or not after all you think they are all wasters. collos25
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9:25am Wed 16 Jul 14

Andy2010 says...

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Cut backs are happening throughout the public sector, wake (from your paid sleeping night shift) and smell the coffee! You have totally lost any public support!
No they have not, they have lost your support if they ever had it but if your house is on fire should they come or not after all you think they are all wasters.
I would say that is them DOING THEIR JOB. Lovely lady I spoke to at my bank today helped me out as well. She didnt want or need my support but was happy to help and get her job done because as a customer I'm helping to pay her wages.

Firemen are public servants and as such should STFU and get on with the job. If they are not happy with the conditions they are perfectly entitled to leave and seek other employment as there are vast numbers of people that would kill to have their job and conditions.

So c'mon on them Poiret...apart from putting peoples lives at risk and wasting taxpayers money what have these strikes achieved.....I'll answer that for you...diddly squat

Maybe if they didnt moan and strike about their cushty jobs there would be more money available to pay for their ridiculous demands.

And give it a rest with the fairy tales of firemen carrying children out of burning houses just before they explode. In reality with modern fire safety this really never hardly happens.

How about the firemen stop moaning and consider our troops who risk their lives daily for this country yet receive a hell of a lot less than firemen.

IF YOU DONT LIKE IT THEN LEAVE
[quote][p][bold]collos25[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]freespeech[/bold] wrote: Irony! Putting lives at risk http://www.thetelegr aphandargus.co.uk/ne ws/11312001.Cat_resc ued_from_tree/ http://www.thetelegr aphandargus.co.uk/ne ws/11318041.Cycle_ra ce_chaos_as_fire_eng ine_gets_trapped_und er_finish_line/ http://www.thetelegr aphandargus.co.uk/ne ws/11328531.Cleckhea ton_firefighters_res cue_horse_that_had_b een_trapped_in_a_hol e_for_24_hours/ http://www.thetelegr aphandargus.co.uk/ne ws/11321992.Fire_Bri gades_Union_announce s_new_wave_of_strike s/ Cut backs are happening throughout the public sector, wake (from your paid sleeping night shift) and smell the coffee! You have totally lost any public support![/p][/quote]No they have not, they have lost your support if they ever had it but if your house is on fire should they come or not after all you think they are all wasters.[/p][/quote]I would say that is them DOING THEIR JOB. Lovely lady I spoke to at my bank today helped me out as well. She didnt want or need my support but was happy to help and get her job done because as a customer I'm helping to pay her wages. Firemen are public servants and as such should STFU and get on with the job. If they are not happy with the conditions they are perfectly entitled to leave and seek other employment as there are vast numbers of people that would kill to have their job and conditions. So c'mon on them Poiret...apart from putting peoples lives at risk and wasting taxpayers money what have these strikes achieved.....I'll answer that for you...diddly squat Maybe if they didnt moan and strike about their cushty jobs there would be more money available to pay for their ridiculous demands. And give it a rest with the fairy tales of firemen carrying children out of burning houses just before they explode. In reality with modern fire safety this really never hardly happens. How about the firemen stop moaning and consider our troops who risk their lives daily for this country yet receive a hell of a lot less than firemen. IF YOU DONT LIKE IT THEN LEAVE Andy2010
  • Score: 10

9:27am Wed 16 Jul 14

jaded by numpties says...

Is this the same fbu official that claimed that west yorks fire service were putting out too many fire engines during industrial action? Wake up fbu members; is this the best man to represent you and your just cause?
Is this the same fbu official that claimed that west yorks fire service were putting out too many fire engines during industrial action? Wake up fbu members; is this the best man to represent you and your just cause? jaded by numpties
  • Score: 12

9:35am Wed 16 Jul 14

alive and awake says...

I am sick to death of the FBU. it is about time the Government got really tough with this lot. I would be looking to privatise. The Fire Service are well paid, good holidays and a fantastic pension, get real. Oh and all the monies earned on their many days off taking jobs from other tradesmen, and of course not paying tax. STOP WHINGING.
I am sick to death of the FBU. it is about time the Government got really tough with this lot. I would be looking to privatise. The Fire Service are well paid, good holidays and a fantastic pension, get real. Oh and all the monies earned on their many days off taking jobs from other tradesmen, and of course not paying tax. STOP WHINGING. alive and awake
  • Score: 14

10:40am Wed 16 Jul 14

JAtkinson says...

Full support for the Fire Service and their actions. Every day, they risk their lives to makes ours safer and deserve fair and reasonable recompense for the many dangers they face for us.

Time for us to give them our full backing and show the government we are tired of the path they're taking: robbing from the poor to pay their rich friends. The greatest shame is their divisiveness is working and we are dancing to the tune of a deserving poor vs an undeserving destitute, whilst the top get richer and richer and richer and pay less and less tax.

If your pension, pay and conditions aren't good enough, join a union, but don't remove that right from others just because you aren't standing up for your rights. Unions got all of us limited working hours, holiday pay, sick pay and a right to stand up to unfair, unsafe & unequal working conditions, and much more besides. Would you give up any of that? Me neither. So why should some be asked to give up their hard won conditions and right to a decent family life to pay for tax dodging bankers' tax cuts on their bonuses? Anyone spouting the vile vitriol against these people needs to take a long, hard look at their priorities - unless they're a bunch of bankers, too.
Full support for the Fire Service and their actions. Every day, they risk their lives to makes ours safer and deserve fair and reasonable recompense for the many dangers they face for us. Time for us to give them our full backing and show the government we are tired of the path they're taking: robbing from the poor to pay their rich friends. The greatest shame is their divisiveness is working and we are dancing to the tune of a deserving poor vs an undeserving destitute, whilst the top get richer and richer and richer and pay less and less tax. If your pension, pay and conditions aren't good enough, join a union, but don't remove that right from others just because you aren't standing up for your rights. Unions got all of us limited working hours, holiday pay, sick pay and a right to stand up to unfair, unsafe & unequal working conditions, and much more besides. Would you give up any of that? Me neither. So why should some be asked to give up their hard won conditions and right to a decent family life to pay for tax dodging bankers' tax cuts on their bonuses? Anyone spouting the vile vitriol against these people needs to take a long, hard look at their priorities - unless they're a bunch of bankers, too. JAtkinson
  • Score: -11

11:12am Wed 16 Jul 14

vax2002 says...

I do not understand why the strike breakers do not just take over the station for the strike period.
All the smoke and mirrors and hiding fire engines in Highways yards when they are already at the stations.
Would it not be simpler to ask the police to prevent a disturbance of the peace and make the strike breakers just turn up at the station.
If they can not face it out, what are they doing taking the job.
All this shuffling engines around is going to backfire .
Leave them where they are and take the staff to the fire engines.
I do not understand why the strike breakers do not just take over the station for the strike period. All the smoke and mirrors and hiding fire engines in Highways yards when they are already at the stations. Would it not be simpler to ask the police to prevent a disturbance of the peace and make the strike breakers just turn up at the station. If they can not face it out, what are they doing taking the job. All this shuffling engines around is going to backfire . Leave them where they are and take the staff to the fire engines. vax2002
  • Score: 9

12:34pm Wed 16 Jul 14

Bone_idle18 says...

The terms and conditions don't seem too bad (plus generous pension):-

There is a nationally agreed salary structure for firefighters. The starting salary for a trainee firefighter is £21,157. When full competence is achieved, this rises to £28,199. Higher rates apply for overtime.
Crew manager salaries range from £29,971 (development) to £31,263 (competent) and watch manger salaries range from £31,940-£34,961.
A station manager's earning potential is between £36,365 and £40,109 plus overtime rates, subject to the officer's level of competence.
Further advancement to the role of group manager and then area manager attracts salaries of between £41,881 and £53,934, depending on the level of competence.

2 days, 2 nights and 4 days off is the normal shift patter - that seems ok too.
The terms and conditions don't seem too bad (plus generous pension):- There is a nationally agreed salary structure for firefighters. The starting salary for a trainee firefighter is £21,157. When full competence is achieved, this rises to £28,199. Higher rates apply for overtime. Crew manager salaries range from £29,971 (development) to £31,263 (competent) and watch manger salaries range from £31,940-£34,961. A station manager's earning potential is between £36,365 and £40,109 plus overtime rates, subject to the officer's level of competence. Further advancement to the role of group manager and then area manager attracts salaries of between £41,881 and £53,934, depending on the level of competence. 2 days, 2 nights and 4 days off is the normal shift patter - that seems ok too. Bone_idle18
  • Score: 18

1:11pm Wed 16 Jul 14

Andy2010 says...

JAtkinson wrote:
Full support for the Fire Service and their actions. Every day, they risk their lives to makes ours safer and deserve fair and reasonable recompense for the many dangers they face for us.

Time for us to give them our full backing and show the government we are tired of the path they're taking: robbing from the poor to pay their rich friends. The greatest shame is their divisiveness is working and we are dancing to the tune of a deserving poor vs an undeserving destitute, whilst the top get richer and richer and richer and pay less and less tax.

If your pension, pay and conditions aren't good enough, join a union, but don't remove that right from others just because you aren't standing up for your rights. Unions got all of us limited working hours, holiday pay, sick pay and a right to stand up to unfair, unsafe & unequal working conditions, and much more besides. Would you give up any of that? Me neither. So why should some be asked to give up their hard won conditions and right to a decent family life to pay for tax dodging bankers' tax cuts on their bonuses? Anyone spouting the vile vitriol against these people needs to take a long, hard look at their priorities - unless they're a bunch of bankers, too.
All these "benefits" you speak of would have been brought in under EU law anyway.

So what else do Unions do then?

Funny how you mention "bankers" and the rich elite when Union bosses are on more money than out Government cabinet
[quote][p][bold]JAtkinson[/bold] wrote: Full support for the Fire Service and their actions. Every day, they risk their lives to makes ours safer and deserve fair and reasonable recompense for the many dangers they face for us. Time for us to give them our full backing and show the government we are tired of the path they're taking: robbing from the poor to pay their rich friends. The greatest shame is their divisiveness is working and we are dancing to the tune of a deserving poor vs an undeserving destitute, whilst the top get richer and richer and richer and pay less and less tax. If your pension, pay and conditions aren't good enough, join a union, but don't remove that right from others just because you aren't standing up for your rights. Unions got all of us limited working hours, holiday pay, sick pay and a right to stand up to unfair, unsafe & unequal working conditions, and much more besides. Would you give up any of that? Me neither. So why should some be asked to give up their hard won conditions and right to a decent family life to pay for tax dodging bankers' tax cuts on their bonuses? Anyone spouting the vile vitriol against these people needs to take a long, hard look at their priorities - unless they're a bunch of bankers, too.[/p][/quote]All these "benefits" you speak of would have been brought in under EU law anyway. So what else do Unions do then? Funny how you mention "bankers" and the rich elite when Union bosses are on more money than out Government cabinet Andy2010
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1:38pm Wed 16 Jul 14

Brad man says...

I find most of the comments made disturbing.
People are very quick to slate the fire service and the ongoing IA.
honestly before you make comments on articles in the paper get your facts right.
Take a proper look at why this action is taking place.
It seems to be a classic case of " I work in the private sector .. I don't have rights or a pension so why should they"
This is a case of public servants sticking up for themselves and defending what they signed up for.
Nothing more nothing less.
Telling me to stop whinging is pathetic. If the boot was on the other foot it'd be very different !!!
I find most of the comments made disturbing. People are very quick to slate the fire service and the ongoing IA. honestly before you make comments on articles in the paper get your facts right. Take a proper look at why this action is taking place. It seems to be a classic case of " I work in the private sector .. I don't have rights or a pension so why should they" This is a case of public servants sticking up for themselves and defending what they signed up for. Nothing more nothing less. Telling me to stop whinging is pathetic. If the boot was on the other foot it'd be very different !!! Brad man
  • Score: -5

1:53pm Wed 16 Jul 14

alive and awake says...

Brad man wrote:
I find most of the comments made disturbing.
People are very quick to slate the fire service and the ongoing IA.
honestly before you make comments on articles in the paper get your facts right.
Take a proper look at why this action is taking place.
It seems to be a classic case of " I work in the private sector .. I don't have rights or a pension so why should they"
This is a case of public servants sticking up for themselves and defending what they signed up for.
Nothing more nothing less.
Telling me to stop whinging is pathetic. If the boot was on the other foot it'd be very different !!!
Do you find the fact that almost all of the Firemen have earned money on the side, not paying tax, but worst of all taking work off other tradesmen "disturbing"?
I find it a disgrace that the Unions have allowed it to go on for decades.
Hypocrites the lot of them. Nobody more selfish than a champagne socialist.
[quote][p][bold]Brad man[/bold] wrote: I find most of the comments made disturbing. People are very quick to slate the fire service and the ongoing IA. honestly before you make comments on articles in the paper get your facts right. Take a proper look at why this action is taking place. It seems to be a classic case of " I work in the private sector .. I don't have rights or a pension so why should they" This is a case of public servants sticking up for themselves and defending what they signed up for. Nothing more nothing less. Telling me to stop whinging is pathetic. If the boot was on the other foot it'd be very different !!![/p][/quote]Do you find the fact that almost all of the Firemen have earned money on the side, not paying tax, but worst of all taking work off other tradesmen "disturbing"? I find it a disgrace that the Unions have allowed it to go on for decades. Hypocrites the lot of them. Nobody more selfish than a champagne socialist. alive and awake
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1:54pm Wed 16 Jul 14

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Cut backs are happening throughout the public sector, wake (from your paid sleeping night shift) and smell the coffee! You have totally lost any public support!
No they have not, they have lost your support if they ever had it but if your house is on fire should they come or not after all you think they are all wasters.
I would say that is them DOING THEIR JOB. Lovely lady I spoke to at my bank today helped me out as well. She didnt want or need my support but was happy to help and get her job done because as a customer I'm helping to pay her wages.

Firemen are public servants and as such should STFU and get on with the job. If they are not happy with the conditions they are perfectly entitled to leave and seek other employment as there are vast numbers of people that would kill to have their job and conditions.

So c'mon on them Poiret...apart from putting peoples lives at risk and wasting taxpayers money what have these strikes achieved.....I'll answer that for you...diddly squat

Maybe if they didnt moan and strike about their cushty jobs there would be more money available to pay for their ridiculous demands.

And give it a rest with the fairy tales of firemen carrying children out of burning houses just before they explode. In reality with modern fire safety this really never hardly happens.

How about the firemen stop moaning and consider our troops who risk their lives daily for this country yet receive a hell of a lot less than firemen.

IF YOU DONT LIKE IT THEN LEAVE
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Whilst I accept that this was 30 years ago his injury at the shout, and eventual passing, are still difficult memories for family and former colleagues.

Sometimes I think that people with little respect have the loudest voices.
[quote][p][bold]Andy2010[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]collos25[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]freespeech[/bold] wrote: Irony! Putting lives at risk http://www.thetelegr aphandargus.co.uk/ne ws/11312001.Cat_resc ued_from_tree/ http://www.thetelegr aphandargus.co.uk/ne ws/11318041.Cycle_ra ce_chaos_as_fire_eng ine_gets_trapped_und er_finish_line/ http://www.thetelegr aphandargus.co.uk/ne ws/11328531.Cleckhea ton_firefighters_res cue_horse_that_had_b een_trapped_in_a_hol e_for_24_hours/ http://www.thetelegr aphandargus.co.uk/ne ws/11321992.Fire_Bri gades_Union_announce s_new_wave_of_strike s/ Cut backs are happening throughout the public sector, wake (from your paid sleeping night shift) and smell the coffee! You have totally lost any public support![/p][/quote]No they have not, they have lost your support if they ever had it but if your house is on fire should they come or not after all you think they are all wasters.[/p][/quote]I would say that is them DOING THEIR JOB. Lovely lady I spoke to at my bank today helped me out as well. She didnt want or need my support but was happy to help and get her job done because as a customer I'm helping to pay her wages. Firemen are public servants and as such should STFU and get on with the job. If they are not happy with the conditions they are perfectly entitled to leave and seek other employment as there are vast numbers of people that would kill to have their job and conditions. So c'mon on them Poiret...apart from putting peoples lives at risk and wasting taxpayers money what have these strikes achieved.....I'll answer that for you...diddly squat Maybe if they didnt moan and strike about their cushty jobs there would be more money available to pay for their ridiculous demands. And give it a rest with the fairy tales of firemen carrying children out of burning houses just before they explode. In reality with modern fire safety this really never hardly happens. How about the firemen stop moaning and consider our troops who risk their lives daily for this country yet receive a hell of a lot less than firemen. IF YOU DONT LIKE IT THEN LEAVE[/p][/quote]Last year I attended the memorial of Jeff Naylor who died from burns he received in the line of duty when rescuing five children from a burning building. http://www.thetelegr aphandargus.co.uk/ne ws/10150553.Firefigh ters_pay_tribute_in_ fundraising_to_forme r_colleague/ Whilst I accept that this was 30 years ago his injury at the shout, and eventual passing, are still difficult memories for family and former colleagues. Sometimes I think that people with little respect have the loudest voices. MarkPullen
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2:12pm Wed 16 Jul 14

Brad man says...

alive and awake wrote:
Brad man wrote:
I find most of the comments made disturbing.
People are very quick to slate the fire service and the ongoing IA.
honestly before you make comments on articles in the paper get your facts right.
Take a proper look at why this action is taking place.
It seems to be a classic case of " I work in the private sector .. I don't have rights or a pension so why should they"
This is a case of public servants sticking up for themselves and defending what they signed up for.
Nothing more nothing less.
Telling me to stop whinging is pathetic. If the boot was on the other foot it'd be very different !!!
Do you find the fact that almost all of the Firemen have earned money on the side, not paying tax, but worst of all taking work off other tradesmen "disturbing"?
I find it a disgrace that the Unions have allowed it to go on for decades.
Hypocrites the lot of them. Nobody more selfish than a champagne socialist.
Where on earth of you get off ???
Talk about a sweeping statement. Firefighters are no different from anyone else. Why can't they have secondary employment? Yes some may not pay tax. But most will. Why are they different from anyone else.
Go and bash someone in the private sector who has 3 jobs not to mention mp's who claim for cleaning duck ponds !!
[quote][p][bold]alive and awake[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Brad man[/bold] wrote: I find most of the comments made disturbing. People are very quick to slate the fire service and the ongoing IA. honestly before you make comments on articles in the paper get your facts right. Take a proper look at why this action is taking place. It seems to be a classic case of " I work in the private sector .. I don't have rights or a pension so why should they" This is a case of public servants sticking up for themselves and defending what they signed up for. Nothing more nothing less. Telling me to stop whinging is pathetic. If the boot was on the other foot it'd be very different !!![/p][/quote]Do you find the fact that almost all of the Firemen have earned money on the side, not paying tax, but worst of all taking work off other tradesmen "disturbing"? I find it a disgrace that the Unions have allowed it to go on for decades. Hypocrites the lot of them. Nobody more selfish than a champagne socialist.[/p][/quote]Where on earth of you get off ??? Talk about a sweeping statement. Firefighters are no different from anyone else. Why can't they have secondary employment? Yes some may not pay tax. But most will. Why are they different from anyone else. Go and bash someone in the private sector who has 3 jobs not to mention mp's who claim for cleaning duck ponds !! Brad man
  • Score: 2

2:15pm Wed 16 Jul 14

Andy2010 says...

MarkPullen wrote:
Andy2010 wrote:
collos25 wrote:
freespeech wrote:
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Cut backs are happening throughout the public sector, wake (from your paid sleeping night shift) and smell the coffee! You have totally lost any public support!
No they have not, they have lost your support if they ever had it but if your house is on fire should they come or not after all you think they are all wasters.
I would say that is them DOING THEIR JOB. Lovely lady I spoke to at my bank today helped me out as well. She didnt want or need my support but was happy to help and get her job done because as a customer I'm helping to pay her wages.

Firemen are public servants and as such should STFU and get on with the job. If they are not happy with the conditions they are perfectly entitled to leave and seek other employment as there are vast numbers of people that would kill to have their job and conditions.

So c'mon on them Poiret...apart from putting peoples lives at risk and wasting taxpayers money what have these strikes achieved.....I'll answer that for you...diddly squat

Maybe if they didnt moan and strike about their cushty jobs there would be more money available to pay for their ridiculous demands.

And give it a rest with the fairy tales of firemen carrying children out of burning houses just before they explode. In reality with modern fire safety this really never hardly happens.

How about the firemen stop moaning and consider our troops who risk their lives daily for this country yet receive a hell of a lot less than firemen.

IF YOU DONT LIKE IT THEN LEAVE
Last year I attended the memorial of Jeff Naylor who died from burns he received in the line of duty when rescuing five children from a burning building.

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Whilst I accept that this was 30 years ago his injury at the shout, and eventual passing, are still difficult memories for family and former colleagues.

Sometimes I think that people with little respect have the loudest voices.
As sad as that is I had a friend who lost his life in Iraq two years ago.

Despite being on a pittance wage him and his colleagues risked their lives DAILY in order to preserve the freedoms of us all

At his remembrance his commanding officer stated he was humble and was just doing his job. No moaning about his life being at risk daily or not knowing what he was fighting for or how much his pension or income was.

Puts the miserable moaning firefighters in perspective doesn't it

Since 1978 82 firefighters have died. In 6 years in Iraq 178 British soldiers lost their lives. All without moaning about anything but just doing to job they are employed to do.
[quote][p][bold]MarkPullen[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Andy2010[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]collos25[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]freespeech[/bold] wrote: Irony! Putting lives at risk http://www.thetelegr aphandargus.co.uk/ne ws/11312001.Cat_resc ued_from_tree/ http://www.thetelegr aphandargus.co.uk/ne ws/11318041.Cycle_ra ce_chaos_as_fire_eng ine_gets_trapped_und er_finish_line/ http://www.thetelegr aphandargus.co.uk/ne ws/11328531.Cleckhea ton_firefighters_res cue_horse_that_had_b een_trapped_in_a_hol e_for_24_hours/ http://www.thetelegr aphandargus.co.uk/ne ws/11321992.Fire_Bri gades_Union_announce s_new_wave_of_strike s/ Cut backs are happening throughout the public sector, wake (from your paid sleeping night shift) and smell the coffee! You have totally lost any public support![/p][/quote]No they have not, they have lost your support if they ever had it but if your house is on fire should they come or not after all you think they are all wasters.[/p][/quote]I would say that is them DOING THEIR JOB. Lovely lady I spoke to at my bank today helped me out as well. She didnt want or need my support but was happy to help and get her job done because as a customer I'm helping to pay her wages. Firemen are public servants and as such should STFU and get on with the job. If they are not happy with the conditions they are perfectly entitled to leave and seek other employment as there are vast numbers of people that would kill to have their job and conditions. So c'mon on them Poiret...apart from putting peoples lives at risk and wasting taxpayers money what have these strikes achieved.....I'll answer that for you...diddly squat Maybe if they didnt moan and strike about their cushty jobs there would be more money available to pay for their ridiculous demands. And give it a rest with the fairy tales of firemen carrying children out of burning houses just before they explode. In reality with modern fire safety this really never hardly happens. How about the firemen stop moaning and consider our troops who risk their lives daily for this country yet receive a hell of a lot less than firemen. IF YOU DONT LIKE IT THEN LEAVE[/p][/quote]Last year I attended the memorial of Jeff Naylor who died from burns he received in the line of duty when rescuing five children from a burning building. http://www.thetelegr aphandargus.co.uk/ne ws/10150553.Firefigh ters_pay_tribute_in_ fundraising_to_forme r_colleague/ Whilst I accept that this was 30 years ago his injury at the shout, and eventual passing, are still difficult memories for family and former colleagues. Sometimes I think that people with little respect have the loudest voices.[/p][/quote]As sad as that is I had a friend who lost his life in Iraq two years ago. Despite being on a pittance wage him and his colleagues risked their lives DAILY in order to preserve the freedoms of us all At his remembrance his commanding officer stated he was humble and was just doing his job. No moaning about his life being at risk daily or not knowing what he was fighting for or how much his pension or income was. Puts the miserable moaning firefighters in perspective doesn't it Since 1978 82 firefighters have died. In 6 years in Iraq 178 British soldiers lost their lives. All without moaning about anything but just doing to job they are employed to do. Andy2010
  • Score: 12

2:41pm Wed 16 Jul 14

alive and awake says...

Brad man wrote:
alive and awake wrote:
Brad man wrote:
I find most of the comments made disturbing.
People are very quick to slate the fire service and the ongoing IA.
honestly before you make comments on articles in the paper get your facts right.
Take a proper look at why this action is taking place.
It seems to be a classic case of " I work in the private sector .. I don't have rights or a pension so why should they"
This is a case of public servants sticking up for themselves and defending what they signed up for.
Nothing more nothing less.
Telling me to stop whinging is pathetic. If the boot was on the other foot it'd be very different !!!
Do you find the fact that almost all of the Firemen have earned money on the side, not paying tax, but worst of all taking work off other tradesmen "disturbing"?
I find it a disgrace that the Unions have allowed it to go on for decades.
Hypocrites the lot of them. Nobody more selfish than a champagne socialist.
Where on earth of you get off ???
Talk about a sweeping statement. Firefighters are no different from anyone else. Why can't they have secondary employment? Yes some may not pay tax. But most will. Why are they different from anyone else.
Go and bash someone in the private sector who has 3 jobs not to mention mp's who claim for cleaning duck ponds !!
I don't expect you to understand what I say, your English is poor and your political understanding even worse, as for sweeping statements your entire comments are a mass of them.
I'll bet you are over the moon or sick as a parrot.
[quote][p][bold]Brad man[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]alive and awake[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Brad man[/bold] wrote: I find most of the comments made disturbing. People are very quick to slate the fire service and the ongoing IA. honestly before you make comments on articles in the paper get your facts right. Take a proper look at why this action is taking place. It seems to be a classic case of " I work in the private sector .. I don't have rights or a pension so why should they" This is a case of public servants sticking up for themselves and defending what they signed up for. Nothing more nothing less. Telling me to stop whinging is pathetic. If the boot was on the other foot it'd be very different !!![/p][/quote]Do you find the fact that almost all of the Firemen have earned money on the side, not paying tax, but worst of all taking work off other tradesmen "disturbing"? I find it a disgrace that the Unions have allowed it to go on for decades. Hypocrites the lot of them. Nobody more selfish than a champagne socialist.[/p][/quote]Where on earth of you get off ??? Talk about a sweeping statement. Firefighters are no different from anyone else. Why can't they have secondary employment? Yes some may not pay tax. But most will. Why are they different from anyone else. Go and bash someone in the private sector who has 3 jobs not to mention mp's who claim for cleaning duck ponds !![/p][/quote]I don't expect you to understand what I say, your English is poor and your political understanding even worse, as for sweeping statements your entire comments are a mass of them. I'll bet you are over the moon or sick as a parrot. alive and awake
  • Score: -9

2:43pm Wed 16 Jul 14

linebacker2 says...

Andy2010 wrote:
JAtkinson wrote:
Full support for the Fire Service and their actions. Every day, they risk their lives to makes ours safer and deserve fair and reasonable recompense for the many dangers they face for us.

Time for us to give them our full backing and show the government we are tired of the path they're taking: robbing from the poor to pay their rich friends. The greatest shame is their divisiveness is working and we are dancing to the tune of a deserving poor vs an undeserving destitute, whilst the top get richer and richer and richer and pay less and less tax.

If your pension, pay and conditions aren't good enough, join a union, but don't remove that right from others just because you aren't standing up for your rights. Unions got all of us limited working hours, holiday pay, sick pay and a right to stand up to unfair, unsafe & unequal working conditions, and much more besides. Would you give up any of that? Me neither. So why should some be asked to give up their hard won conditions and right to a decent family life to pay for tax dodging bankers' tax cuts on their bonuses? Anyone spouting the vile vitriol against these people needs to take a long, hard look at their priorities - unless they're a bunch of bankers, too.
All these "benefits" you speak of would have been brought in under EU law anyway.

So what else do Unions do then?

Funny how you mention "bankers" and the rich elite when Union bosses are on more money than out Government cabinet
You can pretty much guarantee when any group of workers compare themselves to "bankers" they've lost the argument.
[quote][p][bold]Andy2010[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]JAtkinson[/bold] wrote: Full support for the Fire Service and their actions. Every day, they risk their lives to makes ours safer and deserve fair and reasonable recompense for the many dangers they face for us. Time for us to give them our full backing and show the government we are tired of the path they're taking: robbing from the poor to pay their rich friends. The greatest shame is their divisiveness is working and we are dancing to the tune of a deserving poor vs an undeserving destitute, whilst the top get richer and richer and richer and pay less and less tax. If your pension, pay and conditions aren't good enough, join a union, but don't remove that right from others just because you aren't standing up for your rights. Unions got all of us limited working hours, holiday pay, sick pay and a right to stand up to unfair, unsafe & unequal working conditions, and much more besides. Would you give up any of that? Me neither. So why should some be asked to give up their hard won conditions and right to a decent family life to pay for tax dodging bankers' tax cuts on their bonuses? Anyone spouting the vile vitriol against these people needs to take a long, hard look at their priorities - unless they're a bunch of bankers, too.[/p][/quote]All these "benefits" you speak of would have been brought in under EU law anyway. So what else do Unions do then? Funny how you mention "bankers" and the rich elite when Union bosses are on more money than out Government cabinet[/p][/quote]You can pretty much guarantee when any group of workers compare themselves to "bankers" they've lost the argument. linebacker2
  • Score: 5

2:48pm Wed 16 Jul 14

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Andy2010 wrote:
MarkPullen wrote:
Andy2010 wrote:
collos25 wrote:
freespeech wrote:
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Cut backs are happening throughout the public sector, wake (from your paid sleeping night shift) and smell the coffee! You have totally lost any public support!
No they have not, they have lost your support if they ever had it but if your house is on fire should they come or not after all you think they are all wasters.
I would say that is them DOING THEIR JOB. Lovely lady I spoke to at my bank today helped me out as well. She didnt want or need my support but was happy to help and get her job done because as a customer I'm helping to pay her wages.

Firemen are public servants and as such should STFU and get on with the job. If they are not happy with the conditions they are perfectly entitled to leave and seek other employment as there are vast numbers of people that would kill to have their job and conditions.

So c'mon on them Poiret...apart from putting peoples lives at risk and wasting taxpayers money what have these strikes achieved.....I'll answer that for you...diddly squat

Maybe if they didnt moan and strike about their cushty jobs there would be more money available to pay for their ridiculous demands.

And give it a rest with the fairy tales of firemen carrying children out of burning houses just before they explode. In reality with modern fire safety this really never hardly happens.

How about the firemen stop moaning and consider our troops who risk their lives daily for this country yet receive a hell of a lot less than firemen.

IF YOU DONT LIKE IT THEN LEAVE
Last year I attended the memorial of Jeff Naylor who died from burns he received in the line of duty when rescuing five children from a burning building.

http://www.thetelegr


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Whilst I accept that this was 30 years ago his injury at the shout, and eventual passing, are still difficult memories for family and former colleagues.

Sometimes I think that people with little respect have the loudest voices.
As sad as that is I had a friend who lost his life in Iraq two years ago.

Despite being on a pittance wage him and his colleagues risked their lives DAILY in order to preserve the freedoms of us all

At his remembrance his commanding officer stated he was humble and was just doing his job. No moaning about his life being at risk daily or not knowing what he was fighting for or how much his pension or income was.

Puts the miserable moaning firefighters in perspective doesn't it

Since 1978 82 firefighters have died. In 6 years in Iraq 178 British soldiers lost their lives. All without moaning about anything but just doing to job they are employed to do.
And over 250 service men lost their lives in a few weeks in the Falklands.

Not to mention that many of those 82 firefighters killed since 1978 were retained firefighters as were those when four firefighters died at a wharehouse blaze in 2011

Retained firefighters somehow seem to get forgotten in all this.
[quote][p][bold]Andy2010[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]MarkPullen[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Andy2010[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]collos25[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]freespeech[/bold] wrote: Irony! Putting lives at risk http://www.thetelegr aphandargus.co.uk/ne ws/11312001.Cat_resc ued_from_tree/ http://www.thetelegr aphandargus.co.uk/ne ws/11318041.Cycle_ra ce_chaos_as_fire_eng ine_gets_trapped_und er_finish_line/ http://www.thetelegr aphandargus.co.uk/ne ws/11328531.Cleckhea ton_firefighters_res cue_horse_that_had_b een_trapped_in_a_hol e_for_24_hours/ http://www.thetelegr aphandargus.co.uk/ne ws/11321992.Fire_Bri gades_Union_announce s_new_wave_of_strike s/ Cut backs are happening throughout the public sector, wake (from your paid sleeping night shift) and smell the coffee! You have totally lost any public support![/p][/quote]No they have not, they have lost your support if they ever had it but if your house is on fire should they come or not after all you think they are all wasters.[/p][/quote]I would say that is them DOING THEIR JOB. Lovely lady I spoke to at my bank today helped me out as well. She didnt want or need my support but was happy to help and get her job done because as a customer I'm helping to pay her wages. Firemen are public servants and as such should STFU and get on with the job. If they are not happy with the conditions they are perfectly entitled to leave and seek other employment as there are vast numbers of people that would kill to have their job and conditions. So c'mon on them Poiret...apart from putting peoples lives at risk and wasting taxpayers money what have these strikes achieved.....I'll answer that for you...diddly squat Maybe if they didnt moan and strike about their cushty jobs there would be more money available to pay for their ridiculous demands. And give it a rest with the fairy tales of firemen carrying children out of burning houses just before they explode. In reality with modern fire safety this really never hardly happens. How about the firemen stop moaning and consider our troops who risk their lives daily for this country yet receive a hell of a lot less than firemen. IF YOU DONT LIKE IT THEN LEAVE[/p][/quote]Last year I attended the memorial of Jeff Naylor who died from burns he received in the line of duty when rescuing five children from a burning building. http://www.thetelegr aphandargus.co.uk/ne ws/10150553.Firefigh ters_pay_tribute_in_ fundraising_to_forme r_colleague/ Whilst I accept that this was 30 years ago his injury at the shout, and eventual passing, are still difficult memories for family and former colleagues. Sometimes I think that people with little respect have the loudest voices.[/p][/quote]As sad as that is I had a friend who lost his life in Iraq two years ago. Despite being on a pittance wage him and his colleagues risked their lives DAILY in order to preserve the freedoms of us all At his remembrance his commanding officer stated he was humble and was just doing his job. No moaning about his life being at risk daily or not knowing what he was fighting for or how much his pension or income was. Puts the miserable moaning firefighters in perspective doesn't it Since 1978 82 firefighters have died. In 6 years in Iraq 178 British soldiers lost their lives. All without moaning about anything but just doing to job they are employed to do.[/p][/quote]And over 250 service men lost their lives in a few weeks in the Falklands. Not to mention that many of those 82 firefighters killed since 1978 were retained firefighters as were those when four firefighters died at a wharehouse blaze in 2011 Retained firefighters somehow seem to get forgotten in all this. linebacker2
  • Score: 6

3:28pm Wed 16 Jul 14

Brad man says...

alive and awake wrote:
Brad man wrote:
alive and awake wrote:
Brad man wrote:
I find most of the comments made disturbing.
People are very quick to slate the fire service and the ongoing IA.
honestly before you make comments on articles in the paper get your facts right.
Take a proper look at why this action is taking place.
It seems to be a classic case of " I work in the private sector .. I don't have rights or a pension so why should they"
This is a case of public servants sticking up for themselves and defending what they signed up for.
Nothing more nothing less.
Telling me to stop whinging is pathetic. If the boot was on the other foot it'd be very different !!!
Do you find the fact that almost all of the Firemen have earned money on the side, not paying tax, but worst of all taking work off other tradesmen "disturbing"?
I find it a disgrace that the Unions have allowed it to go on for decades.
Hypocrites the lot of them. Nobody more selfish than a champagne socialist.
Where on earth of you get off ???
Talk about a sweeping statement. Firefighters are no different from anyone else. Why can't they have secondary employment? Yes some may not pay tax. But most will. Why are they different from anyone else.
Go and bash someone in the private sector who has 3 jobs not to mention mp's who claim for cleaning duck ponds !!
I don't expect you to understand what I say, your English is poor and your political understanding even worse, as for sweeping statements your entire comments are a mass of them.
I'll bet you are over the moon or sick as a parrot.
That's because what you have written is a load of rubbish.
You have lost the plot. You have obviously not been to talk up anyone about this dispute. Have you visited your local fire station? I bet you haven't. Your far more at home making faceless,ridiculous comments on here.
Get your self down to the local station and find out what's really happening.
It's sounds like your slightly rattled and out of touch
[quote][p][bold]alive and awake[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Brad man[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]alive and awake[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Brad man[/bold] wrote: I find most of the comments made disturbing. People are very quick to slate the fire service and the ongoing IA. honestly before you make comments on articles in the paper get your facts right. Take a proper look at why this action is taking place. It seems to be a classic case of " I work in the private sector .. I don't have rights or a pension so why should they" This is a case of public servants sticking up for themselves and defending what they signed up for. Nothing more nothing less. Telling me to stop whinging is pathetic. If the boot was on the other foot it'd be very different !!![/p][/quote]Do you find the fact that almost all of the Firemen have earned money on the side, not paying tax, but worst of all taking work off other tradesmen "disturbing"? I find it a disgrace that the Unions have allowed it to go on for decades. Hypocrites the lot of them. Nobody more selfish than a champagne socialist.[/p][/quote]Where on earth of you get off ??? Talk about a sweeping statement. Firefighters are no different from anyone else. Why can't they have secondary employment? Yes some may not pay tax. But most will. Why are they different from anyone else. Go and bash someone in the private sector who has 3 jobs not to mention mp's who claim for cleaning duck ponds !![/p][/quote]I don't expect you to understand what I say, your English is poor and your political understanding even worse, as for sweeping statements your entire comments are a mass of them. I'll bet you are over the moon or sick as a parrot.[/p][/quote]That's because what you have written is a load of rubbish. You have lost the plot. You have obviously not been to talk up anyone about this dispute. Have you visited your local fire station? I bet you haven't. Your far more at home making faceless,ridiculous comments on here. Get your self down to the local station and find out what's really happening. It's sounds like your slightly rattled and out of touch Brad man
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4:15pm Wed 16 Jul 14

alive and awake says...

Brad man wrote:
alive and awake wrote:
Brad man wrote:
alive and awake wrote:
Brad man wrote:
I find most of the comments made disturbing.
People are very quick to slate the fire service and the ongoing IA.
honestly before you make comments on articles in the paper get your facts right.
Take a proper look at why this action is taking place.
It seems to be a classic case of " I work in the private sector .. I don't have rights or a pension so why should they"
This is a case of public servants sticking up for themselves and defending what they signed up for.
Nothing more nothing less.
Telling me to stop whinging is pathetic. If the boot was on the other foot it'd be very different !!!
Do you find the fact that almost all of the Firemen have earned money on the side, not paying tax, but worst of all taking work off other tradesmen "disturbing"?
I find it a disgrace that the Unions have allowed it to go on for decades.
Hypocrites the lot of them. Nobody more selfish than a champagne socialist.
Where on earth of you get off ???
Talk about a sweeping statement. Firefighters are no different from anyone else. Why can't they have secondary employment? Yes some may not pay tax. But most will. Why are they different from anyone else.
Go and bash someone in the private sector who has 3 jobs not to mention mp's who claim for cleaning duck ponds !!
I don't expect you to understand what I say, your English is poor and your political understanding even worse, as for sweeping statements your entire comments are a mass of them.
I'll bet you are over the moon or sick as a parrot.
That's because what you have written is a load of rubbish.
You have lost the plot. You have obviously not been to talk up anyone about this dispute. Have you visited your local fire station? I bet you haven't. Your far more at home making faceless,ridiculous comments on here.
Get your self down to the local station and find out what's really happening.
It's sounds like your slightly rattled and out of touch
LOL visit a fire station and get a balanced view EH!
I am neither rattled or out of touch. I have the same opinion of the lying cheating politicians as I do of the misguided, but cheating/tax dodging firemen. You on the other hand blindly support the FBU.
[quote][p][bold]Brad man[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]alive and awake[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Brad man[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]alive and awake[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Brad man[/bold] wrote: I find most of the comments made disturbing. People are very quick to slate the fire service and the ongoing IA. honestly before you make comments on articles in the paper get your facts right. Take a proper look at why this action is taking place. It seems to be a classic case of " I work in the private sector .. I don't have rights or a pension so why should they" This is a case of public servants sticking up for themselves and defending what they signed up for. Nothing more nothing less. Telling me to stop whinging is pathetic. If the boot was on the other foot it'd be very different !!![/p][/quote]Do you find the fact that almost all of the Firemen have earned money on the side, not paying tax, but worst of all taking work off other tradesmen "disturbing"? I find it a disgrace that the Unions have allowed it to go on for decades. Hypocrites the lot of them. Nobody more selfish than a champagne socialist.[/p][/quote]Where on earth of you get off ??? Talk about a sweeping statement. Firefighters are no different from anyone else. Why can't they have secondary employment? Yes some may not pay tax. But most will. Why are they different from anyone else. Go and bash someone in the private sector who has 3 jobs not to mention mp's who claim for cleaning duck ponds !![/p][/quote]I don't expect you to understand what I say, your English is poor and your political understanding even worse, as for sweeping statements your entire comments are a mass of them. I'll bet you are over the moon or sick as a parrot.[/p][/quote]That's because what you have written is a load of rubbish. You have lost the plot. You have obviously not been to talk up anyone about this dispute. Have you visited your local fire station? I bet you haven't. Your far more at home making faceless,ridiculous comments on here. Get your self down to the local station and find out what's really happening. It's sounds like your slightly rattled and out of touch[/p][/quote]LOL visit a fire station and get a balanced view EH! I am neither rattled or out of touch. I have the same opinion of the lying cheating politicians as I do of the misguided, but cheating/tax dodging firemen. You on the other hand blindly support the FBU. alive and awake
  • Score: 3

5:02pm Wed 16 Jul 14

Bantam999 says...

As usual there is little or no support from what seems the majority of T&A readers. Most don't know all of the facts and see everything in black and white. I wonder how they would feel or respond if changes to their pensions were being threatened?
I'm a proud FF and fully support the industrial action for what's right and what we believe in.
Support your Firefighters.
As usual there is little or no support from what seems the majority of T&A readers. Most don't know all of the facts and see everything in black and white. I wonder how they would feel or respond if changes to their pensions were being threatened? I'm a proud FF and fully support the industrial action for what's right and what we believe in. Support your Firefighters. Bantam999
  • Score: -8

5:36pm Wed 16 Jul 14

Idlesteve says...

Bantam999 wrote:
As usual there is little or no support from what seems the majority of T&A readers. Most don't know all of the facts and see everything in black and white. I wonder how they would feel or respond if changes to their pensions were being threatened?
I'm a proud FF and fully support the industrial action for what's right and what we believe in.
Support your Firefighters.
I would be sacked .....simple.
[quote][p][bold]Bantam999[/bold] wrote: As usual there is little or no support from what seems the majority of T&A readers. Most don't know all of the facts and see everything in black and white. I wonder how they would feel or respond if changes to their pensions were being threatened? I'm a proud FF and fully support the industrial action for what's right and what we believe in. Support your Firefighters.[/p][/quote]I would be sacked .....simple. Idlesteve
  • Score: 8

5:44pm Wed 16 Jul 14

alive and awake says...

Bantam999 wrote:
As usual there is little or no support from what seems the majority of T&A readers. Most don't know all of the facts and see everything in black and white. I wonder how they would feel or respond if changes to their pensions were being threatened?
I'm a proud FF and fully support the industrial action for what's right and what we believe in.
Support your Firefighters.
How much tax do you owe the Country? Carry on as you are and you will soon be privatised, then you will get a shock, imagine how many out of work blokes fancy doing your job, as well as all the immigrants who would jump at it. You are not special, but you do a special job. Stop listening to the Unions they only have their interests at heart hence the high salaries they pay themselves. It is the Unions who are conning you.
[quote][p][bold]Bantam999[/bold] wrote: As usual there is little or no support from what seems the majority of T&A readers. Most don't know all of the facts and see everything in black and white. I wonder how they would feel or respond if changes to their pensions were being threatened? I'm a proud FF and fully support the industrial action for what's right and what we believe in. Support your Firefighters.[/p][/quote]How much tax do you owe the Country? Carry on as you are and you will soon be privatised, then you will get a shock, imagine how many out of work blokes fancy doing your job, as well as all the immigrants who would jump at it. You are not special, but you do a special job. Stop listening to the Unions they only have their interests at heart hence the high salaries they pay themselves. It is the Unions who are conning you. alive and awake
  • Score: 9

7:40pm Wed 16 Jul 14

freespeech says...

collos25 wrote:
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Cut backs are happening throughout the public sector, wake (from your paid sleeping night shift) and smell the coffee! You have totally lost any public support!
No they have not, they have lost your support if they ever had it but if your house is on fire should they come or not after all you think they are all wasters.
They should yes, do their job which I pay them to do through my rates. My view on them is immaterial. Are you suggesting they should now screen the calls, to check and see if the victim is a sympathiser of their cause. They are paid to do a job, I EXPECT them to perform their duty!!!!
[quote][p][bold]collos25[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]freespeech[/bold] wrote: Irony! Putting lives at risk http://www.thetelegr aphandargus.co.uk/ne ws/11312001.Cat_resc ued_from_tree/ http://www.thetelegr aphandargus.co.uk/ne ws/11318041.Cycle_ra ce_chaos_as_fire_eng ine_gets_trapped_und er_finish_line/ http://www.thetelegr aphandargus.co.uk/ne ws/11328531.Cleckhea ton_firefighters_res cue_horse_that_had_b een_trapped_in_a_hol e_for_24_hours/ http://www.thetelegr aphandargus.co.uk/ne ws/11321992.Fire_Bri gades_Union_announce s_new_wave_of_strike s/ Cut backs are happening throughout the public sector, wake (from your paid sleeping night shift) and smell the coffee! You have totally lost any public support![/p][/quote]No they have not, they have lost your support if they ever had it but if your house is on fire should they come or not after all you think they are all wasters.[/p][/quote]They should yes, do their job which I pay them to do through my rates. My view on them is immaterial. Are you suggesting they should now screen the calls, to check and see if the victim is a sympathiser of their cause. They are paid to do a job, I EXPECT them to perform their duty!!!! freespeech
  • Score: 7

7:55pm Wed 16 Jul 14

freespeech says...

Bantam999 wrote:
As usual there is little or no support from what seems the majority of T&A readers. Most don't know all of the facts and see everything in black and white. I wonder how they would feel or respond if changes to their pensions were being threatened?
I'm a proud FF and fully support the industrial action for what's right and what we believe in.
Support your Firefighters.
Typically ignorant statement! Just have a look at other public sector workers who's pensions have been changed! Firefighters are not the only ones! They are the only ones that continually moan about it. You have no support outside the firefighting family, if it was down to me, I be shut of the lot of you and create a 100% retained firefighting force nation wide.
[quote][p][bold]Bantam999[/bold] wrote: As usual there is little or no support from what seems the majority of T&A readers. Most don't know all of the facts and see everything in black and white. I wonder how they would feel or respond if changes to their pensions were being threatened? I'm a proud FF and fully support the industrial action for what's right and what we believe in. Support your Firefighters.[/p][/quote]Typically ignorant statement! Just have a look at other public sector workers who's pensions have been changed! Firefighters are not the only ones! They are the only ones that continually moan about it. You have no support outside the firefighting family, if it was down to me, I be shut of the lot of you and create a 100% retained firefighting force nation wide. freespeech
  • Score: 4

8:08pm Wed 16 Jul 14

ro8in01 says...

alive and awake wrote:
Bantam999 wrote:
As usual there is little or no support from what seems the majority of T&A readers. Most don't know all of the facts and see everything in black and white. I wonder how they would feel or respond if changes to their pensions were being threatened?
I'm a proud FF and fully support the industrial action for what's right and what we believe in.
Support your Firefighters.
How much tax do you owe the Country? Carry on as you are and you will soon be privatised, then you will get a shock, imagine how many out of work blokes fancy doing your job, as well as all the immigrants who would jump at it. You are not special, but you do a special job. Stop listening to the Unions they only have their interests at heart hence the high salaries they pay themselves. It is the Unions who are conning you.
"you are not special" Have you any idea how much training goes in to being a fire fighter? Do you think we just put a little bit of water on a fire, high 5 each other and go and drink tea? I am an expert in fire behaviour, I can tell you if a fire will flash over or backdraught before you've even had time to look the words up in a dictionary. I have a higher than average understanding of hazardous materials, if there is a terrorist attack, who do you think will be decontaminating people, maybe the army? Not likely as they are all being made redundant. I can tell you the locations of the air bags and safety features of all makes and models of road vehicle. You need to know about these so you don't cut through them when extracating casualties, they can explode in your face. I can rescue people from a cliff, from moving water, from ice, from mud, from heavy machinery, from anything you can think of. Above and beyond all the operational things I can do, I have to be an expert in fire safety, home fire safety, fire investigation, blue light driving, report writing and anything else senior management think we have to do. I work weekends, weekend night and days, I sometimes go to work and don't see my children for 3 days! I work Christmas day, boxing day, new years Eve, new years day and bank holidays. 365 days a year, fire fighters are working. On top of all that I have to put up with the emotional stress of rescuing people, cutting dead bodies out of cars and mainly dealing with things most people will never see. All for approximately 5000 pounds more than your average bin man earns. So don't tell me I'm not special.
[quote][p][bold]alive and awake[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Bantam999[/bold] wrote: As usual there is little or no support from what seems the majority of T&A readers. Most don't know all of the facts and see everything in black and white. I wonder how they would feel or respond if changes to their pensions were being threatened? I'm a proud FF and fully support the industrial action for what's right and what we believe in. Support your Firefighters.[/p][/quote]How much tax do you owe the Country? Carry on as you are and you will soon be privatised, then you will get a shock, imagine how many out of work blokes fancy doing your job, as well as all the immigrants who would jump at it. You are not special, but you do a special job. Stop listening to the Unions they only have their interests at heart hence the high salaries they pay themselves. It is the Unions who are conning you.[/p][/quote]"you are not special" Have you any idea how much training goes in to being a fire fighter? Do you think we just put a little bit of water on a fire, high 5 each other and go and drink tea? I am an expert in fire behaviour, I can tell you if a fire will flash over or backdraught before you've even had time to look the words up in a dictionary. I have a higher than average understanding of hazardous materials, if there is a terrorist attack, who do you think will be decontaminating people, maybe the army? Not likely as they are all being made redundant. I can tell you the locations of the air bags and safety features of all makes and models of road vehicle. You need to know about these so you don't cut through them when extracating casualties, they can explode in your face. I can rescue people from a cliff, from moving water, from ice, from mud, from heavy machinery, from anything you can think of. Above and beyond all the operational things I can do, I have to be an expert in fire safety, home fire safety, fire investigation, blue light driving, report writing and anything else senior management think we have to do. I work weekends, weekend night and days, I sometimes go to work and don't see my children for 3 days! I work Christmas day, boxing day, new years Eve, new years day and bank holidays. 365 days a year, fire fighters are working. On top of all that I have to put up with the emotional stress of rescuing people, cutting dead bodies out of cars and mainly dealing with things most people will never see. All for approximately 5000 pounds more than your average bin man earns. So don't tell me I'm not special. ro8in01
  • Score: 1

8:34pm Wed 16 Jul 14

jaded by numpties says...

Bantam 999 and Ro8in01 you should know by now that only those unfortunate enough to meet you in their hour of need will ever appreciate the fantastic work you do! It's pointless even responding to ignorance; honestly.
I wish you we'll in your fight but when you have leaders such as Matt Wrack nationally and Dave Williams regionally you have no chance. They are both political activists with a left wing agenda using you brave individuals for their own hour of glory.
Retake your union and fight a battle you can win and this time for the members in the middle bracket; those on the old scheme!!
Before it's too late. Good luck.
Bantam 999 and Ro8in01 you should know by now that only those unfortunate enough to meet you in their hour of need will ever appreciate the fantastic work you do! It's pointless even responding to ignorance; honestly. I wish you we'll in your fight but when you have leaders such as Matt Wrack nationally and Dave Williams regionally you have no chance. They are both political activists with a left wing agenda using you brave individuals for their own hour of glory. Retake your union and fight a battle you can win and this time for the members in the middle bracket; those on the old scheme!! Before it's too late. Good luck. jaded by numpties
  • Score: 0

10:41pm Wed 16 Jul 14

Victor Clayton says...

I have 2 friends that are firemen, both had extra jobs for cash, both retired at 50 and have a very nice lifestyle. They did a skilled and relatively dangerous job. But they did enjoyed a job that carried prestige, a job that most would love to do.
Compare that with 2 friends that work in a nursing home. Dirty hard work on minimum wage. No prestige and they certainly won't be retiring unit they are 65.
I just don't think that the firemen realize how privileged they are!

On the subject of pensions. we were all promised a decent return, then the penny dropped that we are all living longer, and now we are getting less. The first thing we need to do with the public sector stop final pension schemes and get them on the nation average for holidays and sick.
I have 2 friends that are firemen, both had extra jobs for cash, both retired at 50 and have a very nice lifestyle. They did a skilled and relatively dangerous job. But they did enjoyed a job that carried prestige, a job that most would love to do. Compare that with 2 friends that work in a nursing home. Dirty hard work on minimum wage. No prestige and they certainly won't be retiring unit they are 65. I just don't think that the firemen realize how privileged they are! On the subject of pensions. we were all promised a decent return, then the penny dropped that we are all living longer, and now we are getting less. The first thing we need to do with the public sector stop final pension schemes and get them on the nation average for holidays and sick. Victor Clayton
  • Score: 6

11:08pm Wed 16 Jul 14

Victor Clayton says...

Victor Clayton wrote:
I have 2 friends that are firemen, both had extra jobs for cash, both retired at 50 and have a very nice lifestyle. They did a skilled and relatively dangerous job. But they did enjoyed a job that carried prestige, a job that most would love to do.
Compare that with 2 friends that work in a nursing home. Dirty hard work on minimum wage. No prestige and they certainly won't be retiring unit they are 65.
I just don't think that the firemen realize how privileged they are!

On the subject of pensions. we were all promised a decent return, then the penny dropped that we are all living longer, and now we are getting less. The first thing we need to do with the public sector stop final pension schemes and get them on the nation average for holidays and sick.
Actually my comments about the public sector were too sweeping, which, ironically is one of the main problems I think there is. Ie, treating them all the same.
[quote][p][bold]Victor Clayton[/bold] wrote: I have 2 friends that are firemen, both had extra jobs for cash, both retired at 50 and have a very nice lifestyle. They did a skilled and relatively dangerous job. But they did enjoyed a job that carried prestige, a job that most would love to do. Compare that with 2 friends that work in a nursing home. Dirty hard work on minimum wage. No prestige and they certainly won't be retiring unit they are 65. I just don't think that the firemen realize how privileged they are! On the subject of pensions. we were all promised a decent return, then the penny dropped that we are all living longer, and now we are getting less. The first thing we need to do with the public sector stop final pension schemes and get them on the nation average for holidays and sick.[/p][/quote]Actually my comments about the public sector were too sweeping, which, ironically is one of the main problems I think there is. Ie, treating them all the same. Victor Clayton
  • Score: -1

11:24pm Wed 16 Jul 14

ro8in01 says...

Victor Clayton wrote:
I have 2 friends that are firemen, both had extra jobs for cash, both retired at 50 and have a very nice lifestyle. They did a skilled and relatively dangerous job. But they did enjoyed a job that carried prestige, a job that most would love to do.
Compare that with 2 friends that work in a nursing home. Dirty hard work on minimum wage. No prestige and they certainly won't be retiring unit they are 65.
I just don't think that the firemen realize how privileged they are!

On the subject of pensions. we were all promised a decent return, then the penny dropped that we are all living longer, and now we are getting less. The first thing we need to do with the public sector stop final pension schemes and get them on the nation average for holidays and sick.
Why does this country feel that if someone else has better conditions, or earns more money than themselves, they should be made to take a pay cut? The reason your friends retired early was because they had paid 11 percent of their wage into the pension. How much do you pay into yours? At the moment I pay nearly 15 percent of my wage into my pension. I was told I would be able to retire at 56. This government has decided I should now work until I am 60. That's all well and good if I'm fit enough. If I fail a fitness test at 56 I will only get half my pension. How can I possible budget, whilst paying 15 percent, for my retirement. The shift system I work means I work 48 hours in 4 days. I then have 4 days to recover. Some people may work in their days off but, in my experience, they declare it to the tax man.
Before everyone jumps on the fire fighters let's have a look at the MPs. Don't forget Westminster, we're all in this together.
[quote][p][bold]Victor Clayton[/bold] wrote: I have 2 friends that are firemen, both had extra jobs for cash, both retired at 50 and have a very nice lifestyle. They did a skilled and relatively dangerous job. But they did enjoyed a job that carried prestige, a job that most would love to do. Compare that with 2 friends that work in a nursing home. Dirty hard work on minimum wage. No prestige and they certainly won't be retiring unit they are 65. I just don't think that the firemen realize how privileged they are! On the subject of pensions. we were all promised a decent return, then the penny dropped that we are all living longer, and now we are getting less. The first thing we need to do with the public sector stop final pension schemes and get them on the nation average for holidays and sick.[/p][/quote]Why does this country feel that if someone else has better conditions, or earns more money than themselves, they should be made to take a pay cut? The reason your friends retired early was because they had paid 11 percent of their wage into the pension. How much do you pay into yours? At the moment I pay nearly 15 percent of my wage into my pension. I was told I would be able to retire at 56. This government has decided I should now work until I am 60. That's all well and good if I'm fit enough. If I fail a fitness test at 56 I will only get half my pension. How can I possible budget, whilst paying 15 percent, for my retirement. The shift system I work means I work 48 hours in 4 days. I then have 4 days to recover. Some people may work in their days off but, in my experience, they declare it to the tax man. Before everyone jumps on the fire fighters let's have a look at the MPs. Don't forget Westminster, we're all in this together. ro8in01
  • Score: -6

11:47pm Wed 16 Jul 14

Victor Clayton says...

ro8in01 wrote:
Victor Clayton wrote:
I have 2 friends that are firemen, both had extra jobs for cash, both retired at 50 and have a very nice lifestyle. They did a skilled and relatively dangerous job. But they did enjoyed a job that carried prestige, a job that most would love to do.
Compare that with 2 friends that work in a nursing home. Dirty hard work on minimum wage. No prestige and they certainly won't be retiring unit they are 65.
I just don't think that the firemen realize how privileged they are!

On the subject of pensions. we were all promised a decent return, then the penny dropped that we are all living longer, and now we are getting less. The first thing we need to do with the public sector stop final pension schemes and get them on the nation average for holidays and sick.
Why does this country feel that if someone else has better conditions, or earns more money than themselves, they should be made to take a pay cut? The reason your friends retired early was because they had paid 11 percent of their wage into the pension. How much do you pay into yours? At the moment I pay nearly 15 percent of my wage into my pension. I was told I would be able to retire at 56. This government has decided I should now work until I am 60. That's all well and good if I'm fit enough. If I fail a fitness test at 56 I will only get half my pension. How can I possible budget, whilst paying 15 percent, for my retirement. The shift system I work means I work 48 hours in 4 days. I then have 4 days to recover. Some people may work in their days off but, in my experience, they declare it to the tax man.
Before everyone jumps on the fire fighters let's have a look at the MPs. Don't forget Westminster, we're all in this together.
Because civil servants should not be so much better off than the civilians they serve. I pay more than 15 percent, but will not be retiring at 60. In fact 11 percent won't get you much, especially if you retire at 50. Do an online pension calculator and come back to me.one argument I hear from the firemen is they will be to knackered at 60. Well that is hardly surprising if you have 2 jobs. Do you mind telling me how many paid holidays per year you get?
In an idea world we would all be getting the fantastic conditions fire men enjoy but unless you can turn back globalisation it ain't happening.
[quote][p][bold]ro8in01[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Victor Clayton[/bold] wrote: I have 2 friends that are firemen, both had extra jobs for cash, both retired at 50 and have a very nice lifestyle. They did a skilled and relatively dangerous job. But they did enjoyed a job that carried prestige, a job that most would love to do. Compare that with 2 friends that work in a nursing home. Dirty hard work on minimum wage. No prestige and they certainly won't be retiring unit they are 65. I just don't think that the firemen realize how privileged they are! On the subject of pensions. we were all promised a decent return, then the penny dropped that we are all living longer, and now we are getting less. The first thing we need to do with the public sector stop final pension schemes and get them on the nation average for holidays and sick.[/p][/quote]Why does this country feel that if someone else has better conditions, or earns more money than themselves, they should be made to take a pay cut? The reason your friends retired early was because they had paid 11 percent of their wage into the pension. How much do you pay into yours? At the moment I pay nearly 15 percent of my wage into my pension. I was told I would be able to retire at 56. This government has decided I should now work until I am 60. That's all well and good if I'm fit enough. If I fail a fitness test at 56 I will only get half my pension. How can I possible budget, whilst paying 15 percent, for my retirement. The shift system I work means I work 48 hours in 4 days. I then have 4 days to recover. Some people may work in their days off but, in my experience, they declare it to the tax man. Before everyone jumps on the fire fighters let's have a look at the MPs. Don't forget Westminster, we're all in this together.[/p][/quote]Because civil servants should not be so much better off than the civilians they serve. I pay more than 15 percent, but will not be retiring at 60. In fact 11 percent won't get you much, especially if you retire at 50. Do an online pension calculator and come back to me.one argument I hear from the firemen is they will be to knackered at 60. Well that is hardly surprising if you have 2 jobs. Do you mind telling me how many paid holidays per year you get? In an idea world we would all be getting the fantastic conditions fire men enjoy but unless you can turn back globalisation it ain't happening. Victor Clayton
  • Score: 4

7:17am Thu 17 Jul 14

Andy2010 says...

ro8in01 wrote:
alive and awake wrote:
Bantam999 wrote:
As usual there is little or no support from what seems the majority of T&A readers. Most don't know all of the facts and see everything in black and white. I wonder how they would feel or respond if changes to their pensions were being threatened?
I'm a proud FF and fully support the industrial action for what's right and what we believe in.
Support your Firefighters.
How much tax do you owe the Country? Carry on as you are and you will soon be privatised, then you will get a shock, imagine how many out of work blokes fancy doing your job, as well as all the immigrants who would jump at it. You are not special, but you do a special job. Stop listening to the Unions they only have their interests at heart hence the high salaries they pay themselves. It is the Unions who are conning you.
"you are not special" Have you any idea how much training goes in to being a fire fighter? Do you think we just put a little bit of water on a fire, high 5 each other and go and drink tea? I am an expert in fire behaviour, I can tell you if a fire will flash over or backdraught before you've even had time to look the words up in a dictionary. I have a higher than average understanding of hazardous materials, if there is a terrorist attack, who do you think will be decontaminating people, maybe the army? Not likely as they are all being made redundant. I can tell you the locations of the air bags and safety features of all makes and models of road vehicle. You need to know about these so you don't cut through them when extracating casualties, they can explode in your face. I can rescue people from a cliff, from moving water, from ice, from mud, from heavy machinery, from anything you can think of. Above and beyond all the operational things I can do, I have to be an expert in fire safety, home fire safety, fire investigation, blue light driving, report writing and anything else senior management think we have to do. I work weekends, weekend night and days, I sometimes go to work and don't see my children for 3 days! I work Christmas day, boxing day, new years Eve, new years day and bank holidays. 365 days a year, fire fighters are working. On top of all that I have to put up with the emotional stress of rescuing people, cutting dead bodies out of cars and mainly dealing with things most people will never see. All for approximately 5000 pounds more than your average bin man earns. So don't tell me I'm not special.
So what your basically saying is you do a job exactly the same as anyone else.

Social workers, admit staff, etc etc you are more important than all of them.

You just summed up the ignoramus attitude of striking firefighters in that one post... Well done....

I'll give you lot one thing... You certainly are cr@p at winding the public up with you insistent moaning

Strike achieved anything yet? Nah thought not
[quote][p][bold]ro8in01[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]alive and awake[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Bantam999[/bold] wrote: As usual there is little or no support from what seems the majority of T&A readers. Most don't know all of the facts and see everything in black and white. I wonder how they would feel or respond if changes to their pensions were being threatened? I'm a proud FF and fully support the industrial action for what's right and what we believe in. Support your Firefighters.[/p][/quote]How much tax do you owe the Country? Carry on as you are and you will soon be privatised, then you will get a shock, imagine how many out of work blokes fancy doing your job, as well as all the immigrants who would jump at it. You are not special, but you do a special job. Stop listening to the Unions they only have their interests at heart hence the high salaries they pay themselves. It is the Unions who are conning you.[/p][/quote]"you are not special" Have you any idea how much training goes in to being a fire fighter? Do you think we just put a little bit of water on a fire, high 5 each other and go and drink tea? I am an expert in fire behaviour, I can tell you if a fire will flash over or backdraught before you've even had time to look the words up in a dictionary. I have a higher than average understanding of hazardous materials, if there is a terrorist attack, who do you think will be decontaminating people, maybe the army? Not likely as they are all being made redundant. I can tell you the locations of the air bags and safety features of all makes and models of road vehicle. You need to know about these so you don't cut through them when extracating casualties, they can explode in your face. I can rescue people from a cliff, from moving water, from ice, from mud, from heavy machinery, from anything you can think of. Above and beyond all the operational things I can do, I have to be an expert in fire safety, home fire safety, fire investigation, blue light driving, report writing and anything else senior management think we have to do. I work weekends, weekend night and days, I sometimes go to work and don't see my children for 3 days! I work Christmas day, boxing day, new years Eve, new years day and bank holidays. 365 days a year, fire fighters are working. On top of all that I have to put up with the emotional stress of rescuing people, cutting dead bodies out of cars and mainly dealing with things most people will never see. All for approximately 5000 pounds more than your average bin man earns. So don't tell me I'm not special.[/p][/quote]So what your basically saying is you do a job exactly the same as anyone else. Social workers, admit staff, etc etc you are more important than all of them. You just summed up the ignoramus attitude of striking firefighters in that one post... Well done.... I'll give you lot one thing... You certainly are cr@p at winding the public up with you insistent moaning Strike achieved anything yet? Nah thought not Andy2010
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7:42am Thu 17 Jul 14

ro8in01 says...

I can see I'm wasting my time here. It seems that all you haters out there want to live in a communist country were everyone earns the same and nobody is better off than anybody else. Can I suggest you get yourself off to Cuba. See how happy you are then. If everyone is prepared to be rolled over by this government than we will all be on minimum wage or on benefits. If you don't fight, you will fail. Victor Clayton, let me know what you would do if 15 years before you were due to retire your pension firm said actually sir, you now have to pay another 5 percent into your pension and it won't be worth as much as you thought, you'll probably loose 1/3 of its value. And by the way, if you pull out you can't access it until 19 years after you retire.
I can see I'm wasting my time here. It seems that all you haters out there want to live in a communist country were everyone earns the same and nobody is better off than anybody else. Can I suggest you get yourself off to Cuba. See how happy you are then. If everyone is prepared to be rolled over by this government than we will all be on minimum wage or on benefits. If you don't fight, you will fail. Victor Clayton, let me know what you would do if 15 years before you were due to retire your pension firm said actually sir, you now have to pay another 5 percent into your pension and it won't be worth as much as you thought, you'll probably loose 1/3 of its value. And by the way, if you pull out you can't access it until 19 years after you retire. ro8in01
  • Score: -2

8:26am Thu 17 Jul 14

freespeech says...

ro8in01 wrote:
I can see I'm wasting my time here. It seems that all you haters out there want to live in a communist country were everyone earns the same and nobody is better off than anybody else. Can I suggest you get yourself off to Cuba. See how happy you are then. If everyone is prepared to be rolled over by this government than we will all be on minimum wage or on benefits. If you don't fight, you will fail. Victor Clayton, let me know what you would do if 15 years before you were due to retire your pension firm said actually sir, you now have to pay another 5 percent into your pension and it won't be worth as much as you thought, you'll probably loose 1/3 of its value. And by the way, if you pull out you can't access it until 19 years after you retire.
Do the math! one minute is 11% to nearly 15% and you say that's a 5% rise! And all the figures continually quoted are exaggerated. The bad conditions are embellished. Ro8in01 - You're NOT special, you get a decent wage and a great working environment. I would expect a first class service provided by the Fire and Rescue service when called to an incident. IT'S WHAT WE PAY FOR!" Don't butter yourself up! We pay you to know your stuff and be there when called for. You simply don't like the truth! Stop moaning and either get on with your job and leave so someone else can.
[quote][p][bold]ro8in01[/bold] wrote: I can see I'm wasting my time here. It seems that all you haters out there want to live in a communist country were everyone earns the same and nobody is better off than anybody else. Can I suggest you get yourself off to Cuba. See how happy you are then. If everyone is prepared to be rolled over by this government than we will all be on minimum wage or on benefits. If you don't fight, you will fail. Victor Clayton, let me know what you would do if 15 years before you were due to retire your pension firm said actually sir, you now have to pay another 5 percent into your pension and it won't be worth as much as you thought, you'll probably loose 1/3 of its value. And by the way, if you pull out you can't access it until 19 years after you retire.[/p][/quote]Do the math! one minute is 11% to nearly 15% and you say that's a 5% rise! And all the figures continually quoted are exaggerated. The bad conditions are embellished. Ro8in01 - You're NOT special, you get a decent wage and a great working environment. I would expect a first class service provided by the Fire and Rescue service when called to an incident. IT'S WHAT WE PAY FOR!" Don't butter yourself up! We pay you to know your stuff and be there when called for. You simply don't like the truth! Stop moaning and either get on with your job and leave so someone else can. freespeech
  • Score: 2

8:39am Thu 17 Jul 14

Broadswordcalling says...

Bone_idle18 wrote:
The terms and conditions don't seem too bad (plus generous pension):-

There is a nationally agreed salary structure for firefighters. The starting salary for a trainee firefighter is £21,157. When full competence is achieved, this rises to £28,199. Higher rates apply for overtime.
Crew manager salaries range from £29,971 (development) to £31,263 (competent) and watch manger salaries range from £31,940-£34,961.
A station manager's earning potential is between £36,365 and £40,109 plus overtime rates, subject to the officer's level of competence.
Further advancement to the role of group manager and then area manager attracts salaries of between £41,881 and £53,934, depending on the level of competence.

2 days, 2 nights and 4 days off is the normal shift patter - that seems ok too.
Any idea what this dispute about Bone_idle18?

Perhaps you could use the same enthusiasm to research that.
[quote][p][bold]Bone_idle18[/bold] wrote: The terms and conditions don't seem too bad (plus generous pension):- There is a nationally agreed salary structure for firefighters. The starting salary for a trainee firefighter is £21,157. When full competence is achieved, this rises to £28,199. Higher rates apply for overtime. Crew manager salaries range from £29,971 (development) to £31,263 (competent) and watch manger salaries range from £31,940-£34,961. A station manager's earning potential is between £36,365 and £40,109 plus overtime rates, subject to the officer's level of competence. Further advancement to the role of group manager and then area manager attracts salaries of between £41,881 and £53,934, depending on the level of competence. 2 days, 2 nights and 4 days off is the normal shift patter - that seems ok too.[/p][/quote]Any idea what this dispute about Bone_idle18? Perhaps you could use the same enthusiasm to research that. Broadswordcalling
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9:11am Thu 17 Jul 14

JAtkinson says...

Broadswordcalling wrote:
Bone_idle18 wrote:
The terms and conditions don't seem too bad (plus generous pension):-

There is a nationally agreed salary structure for firefighters. The starting salary for a trainee firefighter is £21,157. When full competence is achieved, this rises to £28,199. Higher rates apply for overtime.
Crew manager salaries range from £29,971 (development) to £31,263 (competent) and watch manger salaries range from £31,940-£34,961.
A station manager's earning potential is between £36,365 and £40,109 plus overtime rates, subject to the officer's level of competence.
Further advancement to the role of group manager and then area manager attracts salaries of between £41,881 and £53,934, depending on the level of competence.

2 days, 2 nights and 4 days off is the normal shift patter - that seems ok too.
Any idea what this dispute about Bone_idle18?

Perhaps you could use the same enthusiasm to research that.
Seems like nothing for carrying people out of burning buildings, rescuing people from horrendous situations and the mental & physical strain these brave men and women face at work. I know I couldn't do it.

They had my support before; my support's been redoubled after reading those figures.
[quote][p][bold]Broadswordcalling[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Bone_idle18[/bold] wrote: The terms and conditions don't seem too bad (plus generous pension):- There is a nationally agreed salary structure for firefighters. The starting salary for a trainee firefighter is £21,157. When full competence is achieved, this rises to £28,199. Higher rates apply for overtime. Crew manager salaries range from £29,971 (development) to £31,263 (competent) and watch manger salaries range from £31,940-£34,961. A station manager's earning potential is between £36,365 and £40,109 plus overtime rates, subject to the officer's level of competence. Further advancement to the role of group manager and then area manager attracts salaries of between £41,881 and £53,934, depending on the level of competence. 2 days, 2 nights and 4 days off is the normal shift patter - that seems ok too.[/p][/quote]Any idea what this dispute about Bone_idle18? Perhaps you could use the same enthusiasm to research that.[/p][/quote]Seems like nothing for carrying people out of burning buildings, rescuing people from horrendous situations and the mental & physical strain these brave men and women face at work. I know I couldn't do it. They had my support before; my support's been redoubled after reading those figures. JAtkinson
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9:38am Thu 17 Jul 14

Broadswordcalling says...

Andy2010 wrote:
Top and bottom of it is the unions don't like it when these services continue just as well when their members go on strike.

It just shows that these strikes achieve diddly squat and just end up costing the taxpayer's more. Unions don't care as long as they get their subs and payments from the council to keep their leaders in the life they are accustomed to.

When are union members going to wake up and realise they are being taken for a ride on a toothless dodo
Andy2010 wrote:
"Unions don't care as long as they get their subs and payments from the council to keep their leaders in the life they are accustomed to."

Eh!
What on earth are you talking about?
[quote][p][bold]Andy2010[/bold] wrote: Top and bottom of it is the unions don't like it when these services continue just as well when their members go on strike. It just shows that these strikes achieve diddly squat and just end up costing the taxpayer's more. Unions don't care as long as they get their subs and payments from the council to keep their leaders in the life they are accustomed to. When are union members going to wake up and realise they are being taken for a ride on a toothless dodo[/p][/quote]Andy2010 wrote: "Unions don't care as long as they get their subs and payments from the council to keep their leaders in the life they are accustomed to." Eh! What on earth are you talking about? Broadswordcalling
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10:44am Thu 17 Jul 14

Albion. says...

Broadswordcalling wrote:
Andy2010 wrote:
Top and bottom of it is the unions don't like it when these services continue just as well when their members go on strike.

It just shows that these strikes achieve diddly squat and just end up costing the taxpayer's more. Unions don't care as long as they get their subs and payments from the council to keep their leaders in the life they are accustomed to.

When are union members going to wake up and realise they are being taken for a ride on a toothless dodo
Andy2010 wrote:
"Unions don't care as long as they get their subs and payments from the council to keep their leaders in the life they are accustomed to."

Eh!
What on earth are you talking about?
I think he refers to the following that is from the T%A archives.

Payments to union reps questioned

Colleagues and I have been fighting for some time now to have the amount of public money which Bradford Council spends on paying union staff representing the employees of the council reduced.

At present the figure is approximately £300,000 per year, rising to more than £500,000 tomorrow when the council’s education service comes back in house.
[quote][p][bold]Broadswordcalling[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Andy2010[/bold] wrote: Top and bottom of it is the unions don't like it when these services continue just as well when their members go on strike. It just shows that these strikes achieve diddly squat and just end up costing the taxpayer's more. Unions don't care as long as they get their subs and payments from the council to keep their leaders in the life they are accustomed to. When are union members going to wake up and realise they are being taken for a ride on a toothless dodo[/p][/quote]Andy2010 wrote: "Unions don't care as long as they get their subs and payments from the council to keep their leaders in the life they are accustomed to." Eh! What on earth are you talking about?[/p][/quote]I think he refers to the following that is from the T%A archives. Payments to union reps questioned Colleagues and I have been fighting for some time now to have the amount of public money which Bradford Council spends on paying union staff representing the employees of the council reduced. At present the figure is approximately £300,000 per year, rising to more than £500,000 tomorrow when the council’s education service comes back in house. Albion.
  • Score: 7

10:49am Thu 17 Jul 14

linebacker2 says...

JAtkinson wrote:
Broadswordcalling wrote:
Bone_idle18 wrote:
The terms and conditions don't seem too bad (plus generous pension):-

There is a nationally agreed salary structure for firefighters. The starting salary for a trainee firefighter is £21,157. When full competence is achieved, this rises to £28,199. Higher rates apply for overtime.
Crew manager salaries range from £29,971 (development) to £31,263 (competent) and watch manger salaries range from £31,940-£34,961.
A station manager's earning potential is between £36,365 and £40,109 plus overtime rates, subject to the officer's level of competence.
Further advancement to the role of group manager and then area manager attracts salaries of between £41,881 and £53,934, depending on the level of competence.

2 days, 2 nights and 4 days off is the normal shift patter - that seems ok too.
Any idea what this dispute about Bone_idle18?

Perhaps you could use the same enthusiasm to research that.
Seems like nothing for carrying people out of burning buildings, rescuing people from horrendous situations and the mental & physical strain these brave men and women face at work. I know I couldn't do it.

They had my support before; my support's been redoubled after reading those figures.
Remember the firefighters strike of 2002? They were after a 40% pay rise! Even a Labour Govt didn't give in to that one.

The military managed to do the job with far less manpower, all on less money too. Even then they couldn't believe how easy the job was.
[quote][p][bold]JAtkinson[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Broadswordcalling[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Bone_idle18[/bold] wrote: The terms and conditions don't seem too bad (plus generous pension):- There is a nationally agreed salary structure for firefighters. The starting salary for a trainee firefighter is £21,157. When full competence is achieved, this rises to £28,199. Higher rates apply for overtime. Crew manager salaries range from £29,971 (development) to £31,263 (competent) and watch manger salaries range from £31,940-£34,961. A station manager's earning potential is between £36,365 and £40,109 plus overtime rates, subject to the officer's level of competence. Further advancement to the role of group manager and then area manager attracts salaries of between £41,881 and £53,934, depending on the level of competence. 2 days, 2 nights and 4 days off is the normal shift patter - that seems ok too.[/p][/quote]Any idea what this dispute about Bone_idle18? Perhaps you could use the same enthusiasm to research that.[/p][/quote]Seems like nothing for carrying people out of burning buildings, rescuing people from horrendous situations and the mental & physical strain these brave men and women face at work. I know I couldn't do it. They had my support before; my support's been redoubled after reading those figures.[/p][/quote]Remember the firefighters strike of 2002? They were after a 40% pay rise! Even a Labour Govt didn't give in to that one. The military managed to do the job with far less manpower, all on less money too. Even then they couldn't believe how easy the job was. linebacker2
  • Score: 9

11:05am Thu 17 Jul 14

MarkPullen says...

Andy2010 wrote:
MarkPullen wrote:
Andy2010 wrote:
collos25 wrote:
freespeech wrote:
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Cut backs are happening throughout the public sector, wake (from your paid sleeping night shift) and smell the coffee! You have totally lost any public support!
No they have not, they have lost your support if they ever had it but if your house is on fire should they come or not after all you think they are all wasters.
I would say that is them DOING THEIR JOB. Lovely lady I spoke to at my bank today helped me out as well. She didnt want or need my support but was happy to help and get her job done because as a customer I'm helping to pay her wages.

Firemen are public servants and as such should STFU and get on with the job. If they are not happy with the conditions they are perfectly entitled to leave and seek other employment as there are vast numbers of people that would kill to have their job and conditions.

So c'mon on them Poiret...apart from putting peoples lives at risk and wasting taxpayers money what have these strikes achieved.....I'll answer that for you...diddly squat

Maybe if they didnt moan and strike about their cushty jobs there would be more money available to pay for their ridiculous demands.

And give it a rest with the fairy tales of firemen carrying children out of burning houses just before they explode. In reality with modern fire safety this really never hardly happens.

How about the firemen stop moaning and consider our troops who risk their lives daily for this country yet receive a hell of a lot less than firemen.

IF YOU DONT LIKE IT THEN LEAVE
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Whilst I accept that this was 30 years ago his injury at the shout, and eventual passing, are still difficult memories for family and former colleagues.

Sometimes I think that people with little respect have the loudest voices.
As sad as that is I had a friend who lost his life in Iraq two years ago.

Despite being on a pittance wage him and his colleagues risked their lives DAILY in order to preserve the freedoms of us all

At his remembrance his commanding officer stated he was humble and was just doing his job. No moaning about his life being at risk daily or not knowing what he was fighting for or how much his pension or income was.

Puts the miserable moaning firefighters in perspective doesn't it

Since 1978 82 firefighters have died. In 6 years in Iraq 178 British soldiers lost their lives. All without moaning about anything but just doing to job they are employed to do.
Any loss of life is sad but I feel that your distaste for local firefighters is sickening.

You indicate that a firefighter can leave the service if they don't like the package I would respond that a member of the armed forces is aware of what risks are involved and they remuneration they are to receive.

Many firefighters signed up to a package which involved specific pension rights and working conditions - these are now being withdrawn/amended and hence the protests.

Are we likely to see frontline armed forces personnel being forced to continue undertaking their job at 60?
[quote][p][bold]Andy2010[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]MarkPullen[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Andy2010[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]collos25[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]freespeech[/bold] wrote: Irony! Putting lives at risk http://www.thetelegr aphandargus.co.uk/ne ws/11312001.Cat_resc ued_from_tree/ http://www.thetelegr aphandargus.co.uk/ne ws/11318041.Cycle_ra ce_chaos_as_fire_eng ine_gets_trapped_und er_finish_line/ http://www.thetelegr aphandargus.co.uk/ne ws/11328531.Cleckhea ton_firefighters_res cue_horse_that_had_b een_trapped_in_a_hol e_for_24_hours/ http://www.thetelegr aphandargus.co.uk/ne ws/11321992.Fire_Bri gades_Union_announce s_new_wave_of_strike s/ Cut backs are happening throughout the public sector, wake (from your paid sleeping night shift) and smell the coffee! You have totally lost any public support![/p][/quote]No they have not, they have lost your support if they ever had it but if your house is on fire should they come or not after all you think they are all wasters.[/p][/quote]I would say that is them DOING THEIR JOB. Lovely lady I spoke to at my bank today helped me out as well. She didnt want or need my support but was happy to help and get her job done because as a customer I'm helping to pay her wages. Firemen are public servants and as such should STFU and get on with the job. If they are not happy with the conditions they are perfectly entitled to leave and seek other employment as there are vast numbers of people that would kill to have their job and conditions. So c'mon on them Poiret...apart from putting peoples lives at risk and wasting taxpayers money what have these strikes achieved.....I'll answer that for you...diddly squat Maybe if they didnt moan and strike about their cushty jobs there would be more money available to pay for their ridiculous demands. And give it a rest with the fairy tales of firemen carrying children out of burning houses just before they explode. In reality with modern fire safety this really never hardly happens. How about the firemen stop moaning and consider our troops who risk their lives daily for this country yet receive a hell of a lot less than firemen. IF YOU DONT LIKE IT THEN LEAVE[/p][/quote]Last year I attended the memorial of Jeff Naylor who died from burns he received in the line of duty when rescuing five children from a burning building. http://www.thetelegr aphandargus.co.uk/ne ws/10150553.Firefigh ters_pay_tribute_in_ fundraising_to_forme r_colleague/ Whilst I accept that this was 30 years ago his injury at the shout, and eventual passing, are still difficult memories for family and former colleagues. Sometimes I think that people with little respect have the loudest voices.[/p][/quote]As sad as that is I had a friend who lost his life in Iraq two years ago. Despite being on a pittance wage him and his colleagues risked their lives DAILY in order to preserve the freedoms of us all At his remembrance his commanding officer stated he was humble and was just doing his job. No moaning about his life being at risk daily or not knowing what he was fighting for or how much his pension or income was. Puts the miserable moaning firefighters in perspective doesn't it Since 1978 82 firefighters have died. In 6 years in Iraq 178 British soldiers lost their lives. All without moaning about anything but just doing to job they are employed to do.[/p][/quote]Any loss of life is sad but I feel that your distaste for local firefighters is sickening. You indicate that a firefighter can leave the service if they don't like the package I would respond that a member of the armed forces is aware of what risks are involved and they remuneration they are to receive. Many firefighters signed up to a package which involved specific pension rights and working conditions - these are now being withdrawn/amended and hence the protests. Are we likely to see frontline armed forces personnel being forced to continue undertaking their job at 60? MarkPullen
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11:40am Thu 17 Jul 14

Andy2010 says...

MarkPullen wrote:
Andy2010 wrote:
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Cut backs are happening throughout the public sector, wake (from your paid sleeping night shift) and smell the coffee! You have totally lost any public support!
No they have not, they have lost your support if they ever had it but if your house is on fire should they come or not after all you think they are all wasters.
I would say that is them DOING THEIR JOB. Lovely lady I spoke to at my bank today helped me out as well. She didnt want or need my support but was happy to help and get her job done because as a customer I'm helping to pay her wages.

Firemen are public servants and as such should STFU and get on with the job. If they are not happy with the conditions they are perfectly entitled to leave and seek other employment as there are vast numbers of people that would kill to have their job and conditions.

So c'mon on them Poiret...apart from putting peoples lives at risk and wasting taxpayers money what have these strikes achieved.....I'll answer that for you...diddly squat

Maybe if they didnt moan and strike about their cushty jobs there would be more money available to pay for their ridiculous demands.

And give it a rest with the fairy tales of firemen carrying children out of burning houses just before they explode. In reality with modern fire safety this really never hardly happens.

How about the firemen stop moaning and consider our troops who risk their lives daily for this country yet receive a hell of a lot less than firemen.

IF YOU DONT LIKE IT THEN LEAVE
Last year I attended the memorial of Jeff Naylor who died from burns he received in the line of duty when rescuing five children from a burning building.

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Whilst I accept that this was 30 years ago his injury at the shout, and eventual passing, are still difficult memories for family and former colleagues.

Sometimes I think that people with little respect have the loudest voices.
As sad as that is I had a friend who lost his life in Iraq two years ago.

Despite being on a pittance wage him and his colleagues risked their lives DAILY in order to preserve the freedoms of us all

At his remembrance his commanding officer stated he was humble and was just doing his job. No moaning about his life being at risk daily or not knowing what he was fighting for or how much his pension or income was.

Puts the miserable moaning firefighters in perspective doesn't it

Since 1978 82 firefighters have died. In 6 years in Iraq 178 British soldiers lost their lives. All without moaning about anything but just doing to job they are employed to do.
Any loss of life is sad but I feel that your distaste for local firefighters is sickening.

You indicate that a firefighter can leave the service if they don't like the package I would respond that a member of the armed forces is aware of what risks are involved and they remuneration they are to receive.

Many firefighters signed up to a package which involved specific pension rights and working conditions - these are now being withdrawn/amended and hence the protests.

Are we likely to see frontline armed forces personnel being forced to continue undertaking their job at 60?
My distaste for firefighters stems from their wooo is me attitude to their JOBS when in reality they are handsomely paid for the work they do.

Being 60 is also no detriment to their duties as proven through all this with the modern advances in their roles so in essence basically they WANT MORE MONEY for doing less of a job.

Yes their condidtions will change but cmon on sherlock tell me one job where conditions havent changed over the past decade.....exactly there isnt any.

T&C's of employment contracts change all the time everyday for loads of people but you dont see them shirking their responsibilities. You see them getting on with their jobs that they are grateful to have especially in this day and age.

I think the firefighters are now overtaking teachers as the most hated public servants out there because they listen to these idiots who lead their Unions.

Next Union meeting how about you propose that the Union officials take a 50% pay cut to cover firefighters wages when they are on strike.

Lets see how many of them agree to that !
[quote][p][bold]MarkPullen[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Andy2010[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]MarkPullen[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Andy2010[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]collos25[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]freespeech[/bold] wrote: Irony! Putting lives at risk http://www.thetelegr aphandargus.co.uk/ne ws/11312001.Cat_resc ued_from_tree/ http://www.thetelegr aphandargus.co.uk/ne ws/11318041.Cycle_ra ce_chaos_as_fire_eng ine_gets_trapped_und er_finish_line/ http://www.thetelegr aphandargus.co.uk/ne ws/11328531.Cleckhea ton_firefighters_res cue_horse_that_had_b een_trapped_in_a_hol e_for_24_hours/ http://www.thetelegr aphandargus.co.uk/ne ws/11321992.Fire_Bri gades_Union_announce s_new_wave_of_strike s/ Cut backs are happening throughout the public sector, wake (from your paid sleeping night shift) and smell the coffee! You have totally lost any public support![/p][/quote]No they have not, they have lost your support if they ever had it but if your house is on fire should they come or not after all you think they are all wasters.[/p][/quote]I would say that is them DOING THEIR JOB. Lovely lady I spoke to at my bank today helped me out as well. She didnt want or need my support but was happy to help and get her job done because as a customer I'm helping to pay her wages. Firemen are public servants and as such should STFU and get on with the job. If they are not happy with the conditions they are perfectly entitled to leave and seek other employment as there are vast numbers of people that would kill to have their job and conditions. So c'mon on them Poiret...apart from putting peoples lives at risk and wasting taxpayers money what have these strikes achieved.....I'll answer that for you...diddly squat Maybe if they didnt moan and strike about their cushty jobs there would be more money available to pay for their ridiculous demands. And give it a rest with the fairy tales of firemen carrying children out of burning houses just before they explode. In reality with modern fire safety this really never hardly happens. How about the firemen stop moaning and consider our troops who risk their lives daily for this country yet receive a hell of a lot less than firemen. IF YOU DONT LIKE IT THEN LEAVE[/p][/quote]Last year I attended the memorial of Jeff Naylor who died from burns he received in the line of duty when rescuing five children from a burning building. http://www.thetelegr aphandargus.co.uk/ne ws/10150553.Firefigh ters_pay_tribute_in_ fundraising_to_forme r_colleague/ Whilst I accept that this was 30 years ago his injury at the shout, and eventual passing, are still difficult memories for family and former colleagues. Sometimes I think that people with little respect have the loudest voices.[/p][/quote]As sad as that is I had a friend who lost his life in Iraq two years ago. Despite being on a pittance wage him and his colleagues risked their lives DAILY in order to preserve the freedoms of us all At his remembrance his commanding officer stated he was humble and was just doing his job. No moaning about his life being at risk daily or not knowing what he was fighting for or how much his pension or income was. Puts the miserable moaning firefighters in perspective doesn't it Since 1978 82 firefighters have died. In 6 years in Iraq 178 British soldiers lost their lives. All without moaning about anything but just doing to job they are employed to do.[/p][/quote]Any loss of life is sad but I feel that your distaste for local firefighters is sickening. You indicate that a firefighter can leave the service if they don't like the package I would respond that a member of the armed forces is aware of what risks are involved and they remuneration they are to receive. Many firefighters signed up to a package which involved specific pension rights and working conditions - these are now being withdrawn/amended and hence the protests. Are we likely to see frontline armed forces personnel being forced to continue undertaking their job at 60?[/p][/quote]My distaste for firefighters stems from their wooo is me attitude to their JOBS when in reality they are handsomely paid for the work they do. Being 60 is also no detriment to their duties as proven through all this with the modern advances in their roles so in essence basically they WANT MORE MONEY for doing less of a job. Yes their condidtions will change but cmon on sherlock tell me one job where conditions havent changed over the past decade.....exactly there isnt any. T&C's of employment contracts change all the time everyday for loads of people but you dont see them shirking their responsibilities. You see them getting on with their jobs that they are grateful to have especially in this day and age. I think the firefighters are now overtaking teachers as the most hated public servants out there because they listen to these idiots who lead their Unions. Next Union meeting how about you propose that the Union officials take a 50% pay cut to cover firefighters wages when they are on strike. Lets see how many of them agree to that ! Andy2010
  • Score: 7

11:43am Thu 17 Jul 14

MarkPullen says...

Andy2010 wrote:
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Andy2010 wrote:
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Cut backs are happening throughout the public sector, wake (from your paid sleeping night shift) and smell the coffee! You have totally lost any public support!
No they have not, they have lost your support if they ever had it but if your house is on fire should they come or not after all you think they are all wasters.
I would say that is them DOING THEIR JOB. Lovely lady I spoke to at my bank today helped me out as well. She didnt want or need my support but was happy to help and get her job done because as a customer I'm helping to pay her wages.

Firemen are public servants and as such should STFU and get on with the job. If they are not happy with the conditions they are perfectly entitled to leave and seek other employment as there are vast numbers of people that would kill to have their job and conditions.

So c'mon on them Poiret...apart from putting peoples lives at risk and wasting taxpayers money what have these strikes achieved.....I'll answer that for you...diddly squat

Maybe if they didnt moan and strike about their cushty jobs there would be more money available to pay for their ridiculous demands.

And give it a rest with the fairy tales of firemen carrying children out of burning houses just before they explode. In reality with modern fire safety this really never hardly happens.

How about the firemen stop moaning and consider our troops who risk their lives daily for this country yet receive a hell of a lot less than firemen.

IF YOU DONT LIKE IT THEN LEAVE
Last year I attended the memorial of Jeff Naylor who died from burns he received in the line of duty when rescuing five children from a burning building.

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Whilst I accept that this was 30 years ago his injury at the shout, and eventual passing, are still difficult memories for family and former colleagues.

Sometimes I think that people with little respect have the loudest voices.
As sad as that is I had a friend who lost his life in Iraq two years ago.

Despite being on a pittance wage him and his colleagues risked their lives DAILY in order to preserve the freedoms of us all

At his remembrance his commanding officer stated he was humble and was just doing his job. No moaning about his life being at risk daily or not knowing what he was fighting for or how much his pension or income was.

Puts the miserable moaning firefighters in perspective doesn't it

Since 1978 82 firefighters have died. In 6 years in Iraq 178 British soldiers lost their lives. All without moaning about anything but just doing to job they are employed to do.
Any loss of life is sad but I feel that your distaste for local firefighters is sickening.

You indicate that a firefighter can leave the service if they don't like the package I would respond that a member of the armed forces is aware of what risks are involved and they remuneration they are to receive.

Many firefighters signed up to a package which involved specific pension rights and working conditions - these are now being withdrawn/amended and hence the protests.

Are we likely to see frontline armed forces personnel being forced to continue undertaking their job at 60?
My distaste for firefighters stems from their wooo is me attitude to their JOBS when in reality they are handsomely paid for the work they do.

Being 60 is also no detriment to their duties as proven through all this with the modern advances in their roles so in essence basically they WANT MORE MONEY for doing less of a job.

Yes their condidtions will change but cmon on sherlock tell me one job where conditions havent changed over the past decade.....exactly there isnt any.

T&C's of employment contracts change all the time everyday for loads of people but you dont see them shirking their responsibilities. You see them getting on with their jobs that they are grateful to have especially in this day and age.

I think the firefighters are now overtaking teachers as the most hated public servants out there because they listen to these idiots who lead their Unions.

Next Union meeting how about you propose that the Union officials take a 50% pay cut to cover firefighters wages when they are on strike.

Lets see how many of them agree to that !
I think you wouldn't last two minutes as a firefighter.
[quote][p][bold]Andy2010[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]MarkPullen[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Andy2010[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]MarkPullen[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Andy2010[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]collos25[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]freespeech[/bold] wrote: Irony! Putting lives at risk http://www.thetelegr aphandargus.co.uk/ne ws/11312001.Cat_resc ued_from_tree/ http://www.thetelegr aphandargus.co.uk/ne ws/11318041.Cycle_ra ce_chaos_as_fire_eng ine_gets_trapped_und er_finish_line/ http://www.thetelegr aphandargus.co.uk/ne ws/11328531.Cleckhea ton_firefighters_res cue_horse_that_had_b een_trapped_in_a_hol e_for_24_hours/ http://www.thetelegr aphandargus.co.uk/ne ws/11321992.Fire_Bri gades_Union_announce s_new_wave_of_strike s/ Cut backs are happening throughout the public sector, wake (from your paid sleeping night shift) and smell the coffee! You have totally lost any public support![/p][/quote]No they have not, they have lost your support if they ever had it but if your house is on fire should they come or not after all you think they are all wasters.[/p][/quote]I would say that is them DOING THEIR JOB. Lovely lady I spoke to at my bank today helped me out as well. She didnt want or need my support but was happy to help and get her job done because as a customer I'm helping to pay her wages. Firemen are public servants and as such should STFU and get on with the job. If they are not happy with the conditions they are perfectly entitled to leave and seek other employment as there are vast numbers of people that would kill to have their job and conditions. So c'mon on them Poiret...apart from putting peoples lives at risk and wasting taxpayers money what have these strikes achieved.....I'll answer that for you...diddly squat Maybe if they didnt moan and strike about their cushty jobs there would be more money available to pay for their ridiculous demands. And give it a rest with the fairy tales of firemen carrying children out of burning houses just before they explode. In reality with modern fire safety this really never hardly happens. How about the firemen stop moaning and consider our troops who risk their lives daily for this country yet receive a hell of a lot less than firemen. IF YOU DONT LIKE IT THEN LEAVE[/p][/quote]Last year I attended the memorial of Jeff Naylor who died from burns he received in the line of duty when rescuing five children from a burning building. http://www.thetelegr aphandargus.co.uk/ne ws/10150553.Firefigh ters_pay_tribute_in_ fundraising_to_forme r_colleague/ Whilst I accept that this was 30 years ago his injury at the shout, and eventual passing, are still difficult memories for family and former colleagues. Sometimes I think that people with little respect have the loudest voices.[/p][/quote]As sad as that is I had a friend who lost his life in Iraq two years ago. Despite being on a pittance wage him and his colleagues risked their lives DAILY in order to preserve the freedoms of us all At his remembrance his commanding officer stated he was humble and was just doing his job. No moaning about his life being at risk daily or not knowing what he was fighting for or how much his pension or income was. Puts the miserable moaning firefighters in perspective doesn't it Since 1978 82 firefighters have died. In 6 years in Iraq 178 British soldiers lost their lives. All without moaning about anything but just doing to job they are employed to do.[/p][/quote]Any loss of life is sad but I feel that your distaste for local firefighters is sickening. You indicate that a firefighter can leave the service if they don't like the package I would respond that a member of the armed forces is aware of what risks are involved and they remuneration they are to receive. Many firefighters signed up to a package which involved specific pension rights and working conditions - these are now being withdrawn/amended and hence the protests. Are we likely to see frontline armed forces personnel being forced to continue undertaking their job at 60?[/p][/quote]My distaste for firefighters stems from their wooo is me attitude to their JOBS when in reality they are handsomely paid for the work they do. Being 60 is also no detriment to their duties as proven through all this with the modern advances in their roles so in essence basically they WANT MORE MONEY for doing less of a job. Yes their condidtions will change but cmon on sherlock tell me one job where conditions havent changed over the past decade.....exactly there isnt any. T&C's of employment contracts change all the time everyday for loads of people but you dont see them shirking their responsibilities. You see them getting on with their jobs that they are grateful to have especially in this day and age. I think the firefighters are now overtaking teachers as the most hated public servants out there because they listen to these idiots who lead their Unions. Next Union meeting how about you propose that the Union officials take a 50% pay cut to cover firefighters wages when they are on strike. Lets see how many of them agree to that ![/p][/quote]I think you wouldn't last two minutes as a firefighter. MarkPullen
  • Score: -7

11:45am Thu 17 Jul 14

Andy2010 says...

MarkPullen wrote:
Andy2010 wrote:
MarkPullen wrote:
Andy2010 wrote:
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Andy2010 wrote:
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Cut backs are happening throughout the public sector, wake (from your paid sleeping night shift) and smell the coffee! You have totally lost any public support!
No they have not, they have lost your support if they ever had it but if your house is on fire should they come or not after all you think they are all wasters.
I would say that is them DOING THEIR JOB. Lovely lady I spoke to at my bank today helped me out as well. She didnt want or need my support but was happy to help and get her job done because as a customer I'm helping to pay her wages.

Firemen are public servants and as such should STFU and get on with the job. If they are not happy with the conditions they are perfectly entitled to leave and seek other employment as there are vast numbers of people that would kill to have their job and conditions.

So c'mon on them Poiret...apart from putting peoples lives at risk and wasting taxpayers money what have these strikes achieved.....I'll answer that for you...diddly squat

Maybe if they didnt moan and strike about their cushty jobs there would be more money available to pay for their ridiculous demands.

And give it a rest with the fairy tales of firemen carrying children out of burning houses just before they explode. In reality with modern fire safety this really never hardly happens.

How about the firemen stop moaning and consider our troops who risk their lives daily for this country yet receive a hell of a lot less than firemen.

IF YOU DONT LIKE IT THEN LEAVE
Last year I attended the memorial of Jeff Naylor who died from burns he received in the line of duty when rescuing five children from a burning building.

http://www.thetelegr





aphandargus.co.uk/ne





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r_colleague/

Whilst I accept that this was 30 years ago his injury at the shout, and eventual passing, are still difficult memories for family and former colleagues.

Sometimes I think that people with little respect have the loudest voices.
As sad as that is I had a friend who lost his life in Iraq two years ago.

Despite being on a pittance wage him and his colleagues risked their lives DAILY in order to preserve the freedoms of us all

At his remembrance his commanding officer stated he was humble and was just doing his job. No moaning about his life being at risk daily or not knowing what he was fighting for or how much his pension or income was.

Puts the miserable moaning firefighters in perspective doesn't it

Since 1978 82 firefighters have died. In 6 years in Iraq 178 British soldiers lost their lives. All without moaning about anything but just doing to job they are employed to do.
Any loss of life is sad but I feel that your distaste for local firefighters is sickening.

You indicate that a firefighter can leave the service if they don't like the package I would respond that a member of the armed forces is aware of what risks are involved and they remuneration they are to receive.

Many firefighters signed up to a package which involved specific pension rights and working conditions - these are now being withdrawn/amended and hence the protests.

Are we likely to see frontline armed forces personnel being forced to continue undertaking their job at 60?
My distaste for firefighters stems from their wooo is me attitude to their JOBS when in reality they are handsomely paid for the work they do.

Being 60 is also no detriment to their duties as proven through all this with the modern advances in their roles so in essence basically they WANT MORE MONEY for doing less of a job.

Yes their condidtions will change but cmon on sherlock tell me one job where conditions havent changed over the past decade.....exactly there isnt any.

T&C's of employment contracts change all the time everyday for loads of people but you dont see them shirking their responsibilities. You see them getting on with their jobs that they are grateful to have especially in this day and age.

I think the firefighters are now overtaking teachers as the most hated public servants out there because they listen to these idiots who lead their Unions.

Next Union meeting how about you propose that the Union officials take a 50% pay cut to cover firefighters wages when they are on strike.

Lets see how many of them agree to that !
I think you wouldn't last two minutes as a firefighter.
And firefighters couldnt do the job I do

So your point is?
[quote][p][bold]MarkPullen[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Andy2010[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]MarkPullen[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Andy2010[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]MarkPullen[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Andy2010[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]collos25[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]freespeech[/bold] wrote: Irony! Putting lives at risk http://www.thetelegr aphandargus.co.uk/ne ws/11312001.Cat_resc ued_from_tree/ http://www.thetelegr aphandargus.co.uk/ne ws/11318041.Cycle_ra ce_chaos_as_fire_eng ine_gets_trapped_und er_finish_line/ http://www.thetelegr aphandargus.co.uk/ne ws/11328531.Cleckhea ton_firefighters_res cue_horse_that_had_b een_trapped_in_a_hol e_for_24_hours/ http://www.thetelegr aphandargus.co.uk/ne ws/11321992.Fire_Bri gades_Union_announce s_new_wave_of_strike s/ Cut backs are happening throughout the public sector, wake (from your paid sleeping night shift) and smell the coffee! You have totally lost any public support![/p][/quote]No they have not, they have lost your support if they ever had it but if your house is on fire should they come or not after all you think they are all wasters.[/p][/quote]I would say that is them DOING THEIR JOB. Lovely lady I spoke to at my bank today helped me out as well. She didnt want or need my support but was happy to help and get her job done because as a customer I'm helping to pay her wages. Firemen are public servants and as such should STFU and get on with the job. If they are not happy with the conditions they are perfectly entitled to leave and seek other employment as there are vast numbers of people that would kill to have their job and conditions. So c'mon on them Poiret...apart from putting peoples lives at risk and wasting taxpayers money what have these strikes achieved.....I'll answer that for you...diddly squat Maybe if they didnt moan and strike about their cushty jobs there would be more money available to pay for their ridiculous demands. And give it a rest with the fairy tales of firemen carrying children out of burning houses just before they explode. In reality with modern fire safety this really never hardly happens. How about the firemen stop moaning and consider our troops who risk their lives daily for this country yet receive a hell of a lot less than firemen. IF YOU DONT LIKE IT THEN LEAVE[/p][/quote]Last year I attended the memorial of Jeff Naylor who died from burns he received in the line of duty when rescuing five children from a burning building. http://www.thetelegr aphandargus.co.uk/ne ws/10150553.Firefigh ters_pay_tribute_in_ fundraising_to_forme r_colleague/ Whilst I accept that this was 30 years ago his injury at the shout, and eventual passing, are still difficult memories for family and former colleagues. Sometimes I think that people with little respect have the loudest voices.[/p][/quote]As sad as that is I had a friend who lost his life in Iraq two years ago. Despite being on a pittance wage him and his colleagues risked their lives DAILY in order to preserve the freedoms of us all At his remembrance his commanding officer stated he was humble and was just doing his job. No moaning about his life being at risk daily or not knowing what he was fighting for or how much his pension or income was. Puts the miserable moaning firefighters in perspective doesn't it Since 1978 82 firefighters have died. In 6 years in Iraq 178 British soldiers lost their lives. All without moaning about anything but just doing to job they are employed to do.[/p][/quote]Any loss of life is sad but I feel that your distaste for local firefighters is sickening. You indicate that a firefighter can leave the service if they don't like the package I would respond that a member of the armed forces is aware of what risks are involved and they remuneration they are to receive. Many firefighters signed up to a package which involved specific pension rights and working conditions - these are now being withdrawn/amended and hence the protests. Are we likely to see frontline armed forces personnel being forced to continue undertaking their job at 60?[/p][/quote]My distaste for firefighters stems from their wooo is me attitude to their JOBS when in reality they are handsomely paid for the work they do. Being 60 is also no detriment to their duties as proven through all this with the modern advances in their roles so in essence basically they WANT MORE MONEY for doing less of a job. Yes their condidtions will change but cmon on sherlock tell me one job where conditions havent changed over the past decade.....exactly there isnt any. T&C's of employment contracts change all the time everyday for loads of people but you dont see them shirking their responsibilities. You see them getting on with their jobs that they are grateful to have especially in this day and age. I think the firefighters are now overtaking teachers as the most hated public servants out there because they listen to these idiots who lead their Unions. Next Union meeting how about you propose that the Union officials take a 50% pay cut to cover firefighters wages when they are on strike. Lets see how many of them agree to that ![/p][/quote]I think you wouldn't last two minutes as a firefighter.[/p][/quote]And firefighters couldnt do the job I do So your point is? Andy2010
  • Score: 10

12:03pm Thu 17 Jul 14

Broadswordcalling says...

Andy2010 wrote:
MarkPullen wrote:
Andy2010 wrote:
MarkPullen wrote:
Andy2010 wrote:
MarkPullen wrote:
Andy2010 wrote:
collos25 wrote:
freespeech wrote:
Irony! Putting lives at risk
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Cut backs are happening throughout the public sector, wake (from your paid sleeping night shift) and smell the coffee! You have totally lost any public support!
No they have not, they have lost your support if they ever had it but if your house is on fire should they come or not after all you think they are all wasters.
I would say that is them DOING THEIR JOB. Lovely lady I spoke to at my bank today helped me out as well. She didnt want or need my support but was happy to help and get her job done because as a customer I'm helping to pay her wages.

Firemen are public servants and as such should STFU and get on with the job. If they are not happy with the conditions they are perfectly entitled to leave and seek other employment as there are vast numbers of people that would kill to have their job and conditions.

So c'mon on them Poiret...apart from putting peoples lives at risk and wasting taxpayers money what have these strikes achieved.....I'll answer that for you...diddly squat

Maybe if they didnt moan and strike about their cushty jobs there would be more money available to pay for their ridiculous demands.

And give it a rest with the fairy tales of firemen carrying children out of burning houses just before they explode. In reality with modern fire safety this really never hardly happens.

How about the firemen stop moaning and consider our troops who risk their lives daily for this country yet receive a hell of a lot less than firemen.

IF YOU DONT LIKE IT THEN LEAVE
Last year I attended the memorial of Jeff Naylor who died from burns he received in the line of duty when rescuing five children from a burning building.

http://www.thetelegr






aphandargus.co.uk/ne






ws/10150553.Firefigh






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r_colleague/

Whilst I accept that this was 30 years ago his injury at the shout, and eventual passing, are still difficult memories for family and former colleagues.

Sometimes I think that people with little respect have the loudest voices.
As sad as that is I had a friend who lost his life in Iraq two years ago.

Despite being on a pittance wage him and his colleagues risked their lives DAILY in order to preserve the freedoms of us all

At his remembrance his commanding officer stated he was humble and was just doing his job. No moaning about his life being at risk daily or not knowing what he was fighting for or how much his pension or income was.

Puts the miserable moaning firefighters in perspective doesn't it

Since 1978 82 firefighters have died. In 6 years in Iraq 178 British soldiers lost their lives. All without moaning about anything but just doing to job they are employed to do.
Any loss of life is sad but I feel that your distaste for local firefighters is sickening.

You indicate that a firefighter can leave the service if they don't like the package I would respond that a member of the armed forces is aware of what risks are involved and they remuneration they are to receive.

Many firefighters signed up to a package which involved specific pension rights and working conditions - these are now being withdrawn/amended and hence the protests.

Are we likely to see frontline armed forces personnel being forced to continue undertaking their job at 60?
My distaste for firefighters stems from their wooo is me attitude to their JOBS when in reality they are handsomely paid for the work they do.

Being 60 is also no detriment to their duties as proven through all this with the modern advances in their roles so in essence basically they WANT MORE MONEY for doing less of a job.

Yes their condidtions will change but cmon on sherlock tell me one job where conditions havent changed over the past decade.....exactly there isnt any.

T&C's of employment contracts change all the time everyday for loads of people but you dont see them shirking their responsibilities. You see them getting on with their jobs that they are grateful to have especially in this day and age.

I think the firefighters are now overtaking teachers as the most hated public servants out there because they listen to these idiots who lead their Unions.

Next Union meeting how about you propose that the Union officials take a 50% pay cut to cover firefighters wages when they are on strike.

Lets see how many of them agree to that !
I think you wouldn't last two minutes as a firefighter.
And firefighters couldnt do the job I do

So your point is?
Andy2010 says.

"And firefighters couldnt do the job I do"

Keyboard warrior?
[quote][p][bold]Andy2010[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]MarkPullen[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Andy2010[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]MarkPullen[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Andy2010[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]MarkPullen[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Andy2010[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]collos25[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]freespeech[/bold] wrote: Irony! Putting lives at risk http://www.thetelegr aphandargus.co.uk/ne ws/11312001.Cat_resc ued_from_tree/ http://www.thetelegr aphandargus.co.uk/ne ws/11318041.Cycle_ra ce_chaos_as_fire_eng ine_gets_trapped_und er_finish_line/ http://www.thetelegr aphandargus.co.uk/ne ws/11328531.Cleckhea ton_firefighters_res cue_horse_that_had_b een_trapped_in_a_hol e_for_24_hours/ http://www.thetelegr aphandargus.co.uk/ne ws/11321992.Fire_Bri gades_Union_announce s_new_wave_of_strike s/ Cut backs are happening throughout the public sector, wake (from your paid sleeping night shift) and smell the coffee! You have totally lost any public support![/p][/quote]No they have not, they have lost your support if they ever had it but if your house is on fire should they come or not after all you think they are all wasters.[/p][/quote]I would say that is them DOING THEIR JOB. Lovely lady I spoke to at my bank today helped me out as well. She didnt want or need my support but was happy to help and get her job done because as a customer I'm helping to pay her wages. Firemen are public servants and as such should STFU and get on with the job. If they are not happy with the conditions they are perfectly entitled to leave and seek other employment as there are vast numbers of people that would kill to have their job and conditions. So c'mon on them Poiret...apart from putting peoples lives at risk and wasting taxpayers money what have these strikes achieved.....I'll answer that for you...diddly squat Maybe if they didnt moan and strike about their cushty jobs there would be more money available to pay for their ridiculous demands. And give it a rest with the fairy tales of firemen carrying children out of burning houses just before they explode. In reality with modern fire safety this really never hardly happens. How about the firemen stop moaning and consider our troops who risk their lives daily for this country yet receive a hell of a lot less than firemen. IF YOU DONT LIKE IT THEN LEAVE[/p][/quote]Last year I attended the memorial of Jeff Naylor who died from burns he received in the line of duty when rescuing five children from a burning building. http://www.thetelegr aphandargus.co.uk/ne ws/10150553.Firefigh ters_pay_tribute_in_ fundraising_to_forme r_colleague/ Whilst I accept that this was 30 years ago his injury at the shout, and eventual passing, are still difficult memories for family and former colleagues. Sometimes I think that people with little respect have the loudest voices.[/p][/quote]As sad as that is I had a friend who lost his life in Iraq two years ago. Despite being on a pittance wage him and his colleagues risked their lives DAILY in order to preserve the freedoms of us all At his remembrance his commanding officer stated he was humble and was just doing his job. No moaning about his life being at risk daily or not knowing what he was fighting for or how much his pension or income was. Puts the miserable moaning firefighters in perspective doesn't it Since 1978 82 firefighters have died. In 6 years in Iraq 178 British soldiers lost their lives. All without moaning about anything but just doing to job they are employed to do.[/p][/quote]Any loss of life is sad but I feel that your distaste for local firefighters is sickening. You indicate that a firefighter can leave the service if they don't like the package I would respond that a member of the armed forces is aware of what risks are involved and they remuneration they are to receive. Many firefighters signed up to a package which involved specific pension rights and working conditions - these are now being withdrawn/amended and hence the protests. Are we likely to see frontline armed forces personnel being forced to continue undertaking their job at 60?[/p][/quote]My distaste for firefighters stems from their wooo is me attitude to their JOBS when in reality they are handsomely paid for the work they do. Being 60 is also no detriment to their duties as proven through all this with the modern advances in their roles so in essence basically they WANT MORE MONEY for doing less of a job. Yes their condidtions will change but cmon on sherlock tell me one job where conditions havent changed over the past decade.....exactly there isnt any. T&C's of employment contracts change all the time everyday for loads of people but you dont see them shirking their responsibilities. You see them getting on with their jobs that they are grateful to have especially in this day and age. I think the firefighters are now overtaking teachers as the most hated public servants out there because they listen to these idiots who lead their Unions. Next Union meeting how about you propose that the Union officials take a 50% pay cut to cover firefighters wages when they are on strike. Lets see how many of them agree to that ![/p][/quote]I think you wouldn't last two minutes as a firefighter.[/p][/quote]And firefighters couldnt do the job I do So your point is?[/p][/quote]Andy2010 says. "And firefighters couldnt do the job I do" Keyboard warrior? Broadswordcalling
  • Score: -2

12:10pm Thu 17 Jul 14

MarkPullen says...

Andy2010 wrote:
MarkPullen wrote:
Andy2010 wrote:
MarkPullen wrote:
Andy2010 wrote:
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Andy2010 wrote:
collos25 wrote:
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Cut backs are happening throughout the public sector, wake (from your paid sleeping night shift) and smell the coffee! You have totally lost any public support!
No they have not, they have lost your support if they ever had it but if your house is on fire should they come or not after all you think they are all wasters.
I would say that is them DOING THEIR JOB. Lovely lady I spoke to at my bank today helped me out as well. She didnt want or need my support but was happy to help and get her job done because as a customer I'm helping to pay her wages.

Firemen are public servants and as such should STFU and get on with the job. If they are not happy with the conditions they are perfectly entitled to leave and seek other employment as there are vast numbers of people that would kill to have their job and conditions.

So c'mon on them Poiret...apart from putting peoples lives at risk and wasting taxpayers money what have these strikes achieved.....I'll answer that for you...diddly squat

Maybe if they didnt moan and strike about their cushty jobs there would be more money available to pay for their ridiculous demands.

And give it a rest with the fairy tales of firemen carrying children out of burning houses just before they explode. In reality with modern fire safety this really never hardly happens.

How about the firemen stop moaning and consider our troops who risk their lives daily for this country yet receive a hell of a lot less than firemen.

IF YOU DONT LIKE IT THEN LEAVE
Last year I attended the memorial of Jeff Naylor who died from burns he received in the line of duty when rescuing five children from a burning building.

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Whilst I accept that this was 30 years ago his injury at the shout, and eventual passing, are still difficult memories for family and former colleagues.

Sometimes I think that people with little respect have the loudest voices.
As sad as that is I had a friend who lost his life in Iraq two years ago.

Despite being on a pittance wage him and his colleagues risked their lives DAILY in order to preserve the freedoms of us all

At his remembrance his commanding officer stated he was humble and was just doing his job. No moaning about his life being at risk daily or not knowing what he was fighting for or how much his pension or income was.

Puts the miserable moaning firefighters in perspective doesn't it

Since 1978 82 firefighters have died. In 6 years in Iraq 178 British soldiers lost their lives. All without moaning about anything but just doing to job they are employed to do.
Any loss of life is sad but I feel that your distaste for local firefighters is sickening.

You indicate that a firefighter can leave the service if they don't like the package I would respond that a member of the armed forces is aware of what risks are involved and they remuneration they are to receive.

Many firefighters signed up to a package which involved specific pension rights and working conditions - these are now being withdrawn/amended and hence the protests.

Are we likely to see frontline armed forces personnel being forced to continue undertaking their job at 60?
My distaste for firefighters stems from their wooo is me attitude to their JOBS when in reality they are handsomely paid for the work they do.

Being 60 is also no detriment to their duties as proven through all this with the modern advances in their roles so in essence basically they WANT MORE MONEY for doing less of a job.

Yes their condidtions will change but cmon on sherlock tell me one job where conditions havent changed over the past decade.....exactly there isnt any.

T&C's of employment contracts change all the time everyday for loads of people but you dont see them shirking their responsibilities. You see them getting on with their jobs that they are grateful to have especially in this day and age.

I think the firefighters are now overtaking teachers as the most hated public servants out there because they listen to these idiots who lead their Unions.

Next Union meeting how about you propose that the Union officials take a 50% pay cut to cover firefighters wages when they are on strike.

Lets see how many of them agree to that !
I think you wouldn't last two minutes as a firefighter.
And firefighters couldnt do the job I do

So your point is?
It doesn't take much imagination to compare their work to one of somebody who finds the time and energy to take to the keyboard and criticise something they have no experience of apart from what appears on a monitor.

Enjoy continuing with your ill-informed rants.
[quote][p][bold]Andy2010[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]MarkPullen[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Andy2010[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]MarkPullen[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Andy2010[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]MarkPullen[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Andy2010[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]collos25[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]freespeech[/bold] wrote: Irony! Putting lives at risk http://www.thetelegr aphandargus.co.uk/ne ws/11312001.Cat_resc ued_from_tree/ http://www.thetelegr aphandargus.co.uk/ne ws/11318041.Cycle_ra ce_chaos_as_fire_eng ine_gets_trapped_und er_finish_line/ http://www.thetelegr aphandargus.co.uk/ne ws/11328531.Cleckhea ton_firefighters_res cue_horse_that_had_b een_trapped_in_a_hol e_for_24_hours/ http://www.thetelegr aphandargus.co.uk/ne ws/11321992.Fire_Bri gades_Union_announce s_new_wave_of_strike s/ Cut backs are happening throughout the public sector, wake (from your paid sleeping night shift) and smell the coffee! You have totally lost any public support![/p][/quote]No they have not, they have lost your support if they ever had it but if your house is on fire should they come or not after all you think they are all wasters.[/p][/quote]I would say that is them DOING THEIR JOB. Lovely lady I spoke to at my bank today helped me out as well. She didnt want or need my support but was happy to help and get her job done because as a customer I'm helping to pay her wages. Firemen are public servants and as such should STFU and get on with the job. If they are not happy with the conditions they are perfectly entitled to leave and seek other employment as there are vast numbers of people that would kill to have their job and conditions. So c'mon on them Poiret...apart from putting peoples lives at risk and wasting taxpayers money what have these strikes achieved.....I'll answer that for you...diddly squat Maybe if they didnt moan and strike about their cushty jobs there would be more money available to pay for their ridiculous demands. And give it a rest with the fairy tales of firemen carrying children out of burning houses just before they explode. In reality with modern fire safety this really never hardly happens. How about the firemen stop moaning and consider our troops who risk their lives daily for this country yet receive a hell of a lot less than firemen. IF YOU DONT LIKE IT THEN LEAVE[/p][/quote]Last year I attended the memorial of Jeff Naylor who died from burns he received in the line of duty when rescuing five children from a burning building. http://www.thetelegr aphandargus.co.uk/ne ws/10150553.Firefigh ters_pay_tribute_in_ fundraising_to_forme r_colleague/ Whilst I accept that this was 30 years ago his injury at the shout, and eventual passing, are still difficult memories for family and former colleagues. Sometimes I think that people with little respect have the loudest voices.[/p][/quote]As sad as that is I had a friend who lost his life in Iraq two years ago. Despite being on a pittance wage him and his colleagues risked their lives DAILY in order to preserve the freedoms of us all At his remembrance his commanding officer stated he was humble and was just doing his job. No moaning about his life being at risk daily or not knowing what he was fighting for or how much his pension or income was. Puts the miserable moaning firefighters in perspective doesn't it Since 1978 82 firefighters have died. In 6 years in Iraq 178 British soldiers lost their lives. All without moaning about anything but just doing to job they are employed to do.[/p][/quote]Any loss of life is sad but I feel that your distaste for local firefighters is sickening. You indicate that a firefighter can leave the service if they don't like the package I would respond that a member of the armed forces is aware of what risks are involved and they remuneration they are to receive. Many firefighters signed up to a package which involved specific pension rights and working conditions - these are now being withdrawn/amended and hence the protests. Are we likely to see frontline armed forces personnel being forced to continue undertaking their job at 60?[/p][/quote]My distaste for firefighters stems from their wooo is me attitude to their JOBS when in reality they are handsomely paid for the work they do. Being 60 is also no detriment to their duties as proven through all this with the modern advances in their roles so in essence basically they WANT MORE MONEY for doing less of a job. Yes their condidtions will change but cmon on sherlock tell me one job where conditions havent changed over the past decade.....exactly there isnt any. T&C's of employment contracts change all the time everyday for loads of people but you dont see them shirking their responsibilities. You see them getting on with their jobs that they are grateful to have especially in this day and age. I think the firefighters are now overtaking teachers as the most hated public servants out there because they listen to these idiots who lead their Unions. Next Union meeting how about you propose that the Union officials take a 50% pay cut to cover firefighters wages when they are on strike. Lets see how many of them agree to that ![/p][/quote]I think you wouldn't last two minutes as a firefighter.[/p][/quote]And firefighters couldnt do the job I do So your point is?[/p][/quote]It doesn't take much imagination to compare their work to one of somebody who finds the time and energy to take to the keyboard and criticise something they have no experience of apart from what appears on a monitor. Enjoy continuing with your ill-informed rants. MarkPullen
  • Score: -5

12:11pm Thu 17 Jul 14

Broadswordcalling says...

Andy2010 wrote:
MarkPullen wrote:
Andy2010 wrote:
MarkPullen wrote:
Andy2010 wrote:
collos25 wrote:
freespeech wrote:
Irony! Putting lives at risk
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Cut backs are happening throughout the public sector, wake (from your paid sleeping night shift) and smell the coffee! You have totally lost any public support!
No they have not, they have lost your support if they ever had it but if your house is on fire should they come or not after all you think they are all wasters.
I would say that is them DOING THEIR JOB. Lovely lady I spoke to at my bank today helped me out as well. She didnt want or need my support but was happy to help and get her job done because as a customer I'm helping to pay her wages.

Firemen are public servants and as such should STFU and get on with the job. If they are not happy with the conditions they are perfectly entitled to leave and seek other employment as there are vast numbers of people that would kill to have their job and conditions.

So c'mon on them Poiret...apart from putting peoples lives at risk and wasting taxpayers money what have these strikes achieved.....I'll answer that for you...diddly squat

Maybe if they didnt moan and strike about their cushty jobs there would be more money available to pay for their ridiculous demands.

And give it a rest with the fairy tales of firemen carrying children out of burning houses just before they explode. In reality with modern fire safety this really never hardly happens.

How about the firemen stop moaning and consider our troops who risk their lives daily for this country yet receive a hell of a lot less than firemen.

IF YOU DONT LIKE IT THEN LEAVE
Last year I attended the memorial of Jeff Naylor who died from burns he received in the line of duty when rescuing five children from a burning building.

http://www.thetelegr




aphandargus.co.uk/ne




ws/10150553.Firefigh




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r_colleague/

Whilst I accept that this was 30 years ago his injury at the shout, and eventual passing, are still difficult memories for family and former colleagues.

Sometimes I think that people with little respect have the loudest voices.
As sad as that is I had a friend who lost his life in Iraq two years ago.

Despite being on a pittance wage him and his colleagues risked their lives DAILY in order to preserve the freedoms of us all

At his remembrance his commanding officer stated he was humble and was just doing his job. No moaning about his life being at risk daily or not knowing what he was fighting for or how much his pension or income was.

Puts the miserable moaning firefighters in perspective doesn't it

Since 1978 82 firefighters have died. In 6 years in Iraq 178 British soldiers lost their lives. All without moaning about anything but just doing to job they are employed to do.
Any loss of life is sad but I feel that your distaste for local firefighters is sickening.

You indicate that a firefighter can leave the service if they don't like the package I would respond that a member of the armed forces is aware of what risks are involved and they remuneration they are to receive.

Many firefighters signed up to a package which involved specific pension rights and working conditions - these are now being withdrawn/amended and hence the protests.

Are we likely to see frontline armed forces personnel being forced to continue undertaking their job at 60?
My distaste for firefighters stems from their wooo is me attitude to their JOBS when in reality they are handsomely paid for the work they do.

Being 60 is also no detriment to their duties as proven through all this with the modern advances in their roles so in essence basically they WANT MORE MONEY for doing less of a job.

Yes their condidtions will change but cmon on sherlock tell me one job where conditions havent changed over the past decade.....exactly there isnt any.

T&C's of employment contracts change all the time everyday for loads of people but you dont see them shirking their responsibilities. You see them getting on with their jobs that they are grateful to have especially in this day and age.

I think the firefighters are now overtaking teachers as the most hated public servants out there because they listen to these idiots who lead their Unions.

Next Union meeting how about you propose that the Union officials take a 50% pay cut to cover firefighters wages when they are on strike.

Lets see how many of them agree to that !
Andy2010 wrote:
" Being 60 is also no detriment to their duties as proven through all this with the modern advances in their roles so in essence basically they WANT MORE MONEY for doing less of a job."

Proven by who? come on lets have the facts.

Please don't let small points like a government led survey proved exactly that age would be very detrimental.

Andy2010 wrote:
"Yes their condidtions will change but cmon on sherlock tell me one job where conditions havent changed over the past decade"

Try MP's Sherlock!!!
[quote][p][bold]Andy2010[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]MarkPullen[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Andy2010[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]MarkPullen[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Andy2010[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]collos25[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]freespeech[/bold] wrote: Irony! Putting lives at risk http://www.thetelegr aphandargus.co.uk/ne ws/11312001.Cat_resc ued_from_tree/ http://www.thetelegr aphandargus.co.uk/ne ws/11318041.Cycle_ra ce_chaos_as_fire_eng ine_gets_trapped_und er_finish_line/ http://www.thetelegr aphandargus.co.uk/ne ws/11328531.Cleckhea ton_firefighters_res cue_horse_that_had_b een_trapped_in_a_hol e_for_24_hours/ http://www.thetelegr aphandargus.co.uk/ne ws/11321992.Fire_Bri gades_Union_announce s_new_wave_of_strike s/ Cut backs are happening throughout the public sector, wake (from your paid sleeping night shift) and smell the coffee! You have totally lost any public support![/p][/quote]No they have not, they have lost your support if they ever had it but if your house is on fire should they come or not after all you think they are all wasters.[/p][/quote]I would say that is them DOING THEIR JOB. Lovely lady I spoke to at my bank today helped me out as well. She didnt want or need my support but was happy to help and get her job done because as a customer I'm helping to pay her wages. Firemen are public servants and as such should STFU and get on with the job. If they are not happy with the conditions they are perfectly entitled to leave and seek other employment as there are vast numbers of people that would kill to have their job and conditions. So c'mon on them Poiret...apart from putting peoples lives at risk and wasting taxpayers money what have these strikes achieved.....I'll answer that for you...diddly squat Maybe if they didnt moan and strike about their cushty jobs there would be more money available to pay for their ridiculous demands. And give it a rest with the fairy tales of firemen carrying children out of burning houses just before they explode. In reality with modern fire safety this really never hardly happens. How about the firemen stop moaning and consider our troops who risk their lives daily for this country yet receive a hell of a lot less than firemen. IF YOU DONT LIKE IT THEN LEAVE[/p][/quote]Last year I attended the memorial of Jeff Naylor who died from burns he received in the line of duty when rescuing five children from a burning building. http://www.thetelegr aphandargus.co.uk/ne ws/10150553.Firefigh ters_pay_tribute_in_ fundraising_to_forme r_colleague/ Whilst I accept that this was 30 years ago his injury at the shout, and eventual passing, are still difficult memories for family and former colleagues. Sometimes I think that people with little respect have the loudest voices.[/p][/quote]As sad as that is I had a friend who lost his life in Iraq two years ago. Despite being on a pittance wage him and his colleagues risked their lives DAILY in order to preserve the freedoms of us all At his remembrance his commanding officer stated he was humble and was just doing his job. No moaning about his life being at risk daily or not knowing what he was fighting for or how much his pension or income was. Puts the miserable moaning firefighters in perspective doesn't it Since 1978 82 firefighters have died. In 6 years in Iraq 178 British soldiers lost their lives. All without moaning about anything but just doing to job they are employed to do.[/p][/quote]Any loss of life is sad but I feel that your distaste for local firefighters is sickening. You indicate that a firefighter can leave the service if they don't like the package I would respond that a member of the armed forces is aware of what risks are involved and they remuneration they are to receive. Many firefighters signed up to a package which involved specific pension rights and working conditions - these are now being withdrawn/amended and hence the protests. Are we likely to see frontline armed forces personnel being forced to continue undertaking their job at 60?[/p][/quote]My distaste for firefighters stems from their wooo is me attitude to their JOBS when in reality they are handsomely paid for the work they do. Being 60 is also no detriment to their duties as proven through all this with the modern advances in their roles so in essence basically they WANT MORE MONEY for doing less of a job. Yes their condidtions will change but cmon on sherlock tell me one job where conditions havent changed over the past decade.....exactly there isnt any. T&C's of employment contracts change all the time everyday for loads of people but you dont see them shirking their responsibilities. You see them getting on with their jobs that they are grateful to have especially in this day and age. I think the firefighters are now overtaking teachers as the most hated public servants out there because they listen to these idiots who lead their Unions. Next Union meeting how about you propose that the Union officials take a 50% pay cut to cover firefighters wages when they are on strike. Lets see how many of them agree to that ![/p][/quote]Andy2010 wrote: " Being 60 is also no detriment to their duties as proven through all this with the modern advances in their roles so in essence basically they WANT MORE MONEY for doing less of a job." Proven by who? come on lets have the facts. Please don't let small points like a government led survey proved exactly that age would be very detrimental. Andy2010 wrote: "Yes their condidtions will change but cmon on sherlock tell me one job where conditions havent changed over the past decade" Try MP's Sherlock!!! Broadswordcalling
  • Score: -8

12:27pm Thu 17 Jul 14

Andy2010 says...

Broadswordcalling wrote:
Andy2010 wrote:
MarkPullen wrote:
Andy2010 wrote:
MarkPullen wrote:
Andy2010 wrote:
collos25 wrote:
freespeech wrote:
Irony! Putting lives at risk
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Cut backs are happening throughout the public sector, wake (from your paid sleeping night shift) and smell the coffee! You have totally lost any public support!
No they have not, they have lost your support if they ever had it but if your house is on fire should they come or not after all you think they are all wasters.
I would say that is them DOING THEIR JOB. Lovely lady I spoke to at my bank today helped me out as well. She didnt want or need my support but was happy to help and get her job done because as a customer I'm helping to pay her wages.

Firemen are public servants and as such should STFU and get on with the job. If they are not happy with the conditions they are perfectly entitled to leave and seek other employment as there are vast numbers of people that would kill to have their job and conditions.

So c'mon on them Poiret...apart from putting peoples lives at risk and wasting taxpayers money what have these strikes achieved.....I'll answer that for you...diddly squat

Maybe if they didnt moan and strike about their cushty jobs there would be more money available to pay for their ridiculous demands.

And give it a rest with the fairy tales of firemen carrying children out of burning houses just before they explode. In reality with modern fire safety this really never hardly happens.

How about the firemen stop moaning and consider our troops who risk their lives daily for this country yet receive a hell of a lot less than firemen.

IF YOU DONT LIKE IT THEN LEAVE
Last year I attended the memorial of Jeff Naylor who died from burns he received in the line of duty when rescuing five children from a burning building.

http://www.thetelegr





aphandargus.co.uk/ne





ws/10150553.Firefigh





ters_pay_tribute_in_





fundraising_to_forme





r_colleague/

Whilst I accept that this was 30 years ago his injury at the shout, and eventual passing, are still difficult memories for family and former colleagues.

Sometimes I think that people with little respect have the loudest voices.
As sad as that is I had a friend who lost his life in Iraq two years ago.

Despite being on a pittance wage him and his colleagues risked their lives DAILY in order to preserve the freedoms of us all

At his remembrance his commanding officer stated he was humble and was just doing his job. No moaning about his life being at risk daily or not knowing what he was fighting for or how much his pension or income was.

Puts the miserable moaning firefighters in perspective doesn't it

Since 1978 82 firefighters have died. In 6 years in Iraq 178 British soldiers lost their lives. All without moaning about anything but just doing to job they are employed to do.
Any loss of life is sad but I feel that your distaste for local firefighters is sickening.

You indicate that a firefighter can leave the service if they don't like the package I would respond that a member of the armed forces is aware of what risks are involved and they remuneration they are to receive.

Many firefighters signed up to a package which involved specific pension rights and working conditions - these are now being withdrawn/amended and hence the protests.

Are we likely to see frontline armed forces personnel being forced to continue undertaking their job at 60?
My distaste for firefighters stems from their wooo is me attitude to their JOBS when in reality they are handsomely paid for the work they do.

Being 60 is also no detriment to their duties as proven through all this with the modern advances in their roles so in essence basically they WANT MORE MONEY for doing less of a job.

Yes their condidtions will change but cmon on sherlock tell me one job where conditions havent changed over the past decade.....exactly there isnt any.

T&C's of employment contracts change all the time everyday for loads of people but you dont see them shirking their responsibilities. You see them getting on with their jobs that they are grateful to have especially in this day and age.

I think the firefighters are now overtaking teachers as the most hated public servants out there because they listen to these idiots who lead their Unions.

Next Union meeting how about you propose that the Union officials take a 50% pay cut to cover firefighters wages when they are on strike.

Lets see how many of them agree to that !
Andy2010 wrote:
" Being 60 is also no detriment to their duties as proven through all this with the modern advances in their roles so in essence basically they WANT MORE MONEY for doing less of a job."

Proven by who? come on lets have the facts.

Please don't let small points like a government led survey proved exactly that age would be very detrimental.

Andy2010 wrote:
"Yes their condidtions will change but cmon on sherlock tell me one job where conditions havent changed over the past decade"

Try MP's Sherlock!!!
Difference being MP's are voted in. They dont apply so techically isnt a job in the same terms

I'm not defending MP's but you cant compare the roles at all

So C'mon then Sherlock....show me an actual JOB that hasnt had change to T&CS
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You have totally lost any public support![/p][/quote]No they have not, they have lost your support if they ever had it but if your house is on fire should they come or not after all you think they are all wasters.[/p][/quote]I would say that is them DOING THEIR JOB. Lovely lady I spoke to at my bank today helped me out as well. She didnt want or need my support but was happy to help and get her job done because as a customer I'm helping to pay her wages. Firemen are public servants and as such should STFU and get on with the job. If they are not happy with the conditions they are perfectly entitled to leave and seek other employment as there are vast numbers of people that would kill to have their job and conditions. So c'mon on them Poiret...apart from putting peoples lives at risk and wasting taxpayers money what have these strikes achieved.....I'll answer that for you...diddly squat Maybe if they didnt moan and strike about their cushty jobs there would be more money available to pay for their ridiculous demands. And give it a rest with the fairy tales of firemen carrying children out of burning houses just before they explode. In reality with modern fire safety this really never hardly happens. How about the firemen stop moaning and consider our troops who risk their lives daily for this country yet receive a hell of a lot less than firemen. IF YOU DONT LIKE IT THEN LEAVE[/p][/quote]Last year I attended the memorial of Jeff Naylor who died from burns he received in the line of duty when rescuing five children from a burning building. http://www.thetelegr aphandargus.co.uk/ne ws/10150553.Firefigh ters_pay_tribute_in_ fundraising_to_forme r_colleague/ Whilst I accept that this was 30 years ago his injury at the shout, and eventual passing, are still difficult memories for family and former colleagues. Sometimes I think that people with little respect have the loudest voices.[/p][/quote]As sad as that is I had a friend who lost his life in Iraq two years ago. Despite being on a pittance wage him and his colleagues risked their lives DAILY in order to preserve the freedoms of us all At his remembrance his commanding officer stated he was humble and was just doing his job. No moaning about his life being at risk daily or not knowing what he was fighting for or how much his pension or income was. Puts the miserable moaning firefighters in perspective doesn't it Since 1978 82 firefighters have died. In 6 years in Iraq 178 British soldiers lost their lives. All without moaning about anything but just doing to job they are employed to do.[/p][/quote]Any loss of life is sad but I feel that your distaste for local firefighters is sickening. You indicate that a firefighter can leave the service if they don't like the package I would respond that a member of the armed forces is aware of what risks are involved and they remuneration they are to receive. Many firefighters signed up to a package which involved specific pension rights and working conditions - these are now being withdrawn/amended and hence the protests. Are we likely to see frontline armed forces personnel being forced to continue undertaking their job at 60?[/p][/quote]My distaste for firefighters stems from their wooo is me attitude to their JOBS when in reality they are handsomely paid for the work they do. Being 60 is also no detriment to their duties as proven through all this with the modern advances in their roles so in essence basically they WANT MORE MONEY for doing less of a job. Yes their condidtions will change but cmon on sherlock tell me one job where conditions havent changed over the past decade.....exactly there isnt any. T&C's of employment contracts change all the time everyday for loads of people but you dont see them shirking their responsibilities. You see them getting on with their jobs that they are grateful to have especially in this day and age. I think the firefighters are now overtaking teachers as the most hated public servants out there because they listen to these idiots who lead their Unions. Next Union meeting how about you propose that the Union officials take a 50% pay cut to cover firefighters wages when they are on strike. Lets see how many of them agree to that ![/p][/quote]Andy2010 wrote: " Being 60 is also no detriment to their duties as proven through all this with the modern advances in their roles so in essence basically they WANT MORE MONEY for doing less of a job." Proven by who? come on lets have the facts. Please don't let small points like a government led survey proved exactly that age would be very detrimental. Andy2010 wrote: "Yes their condidtions will change but cmon on sherlock tell me one job where conditions havent changed over the past decade" Try MP's Sherlock!!![/p][/quote]Difference being MP's are voted in. They dont apply so techically isnt a job in the same terms I'm not defending MP's but you cant compare the roles at all So C'mon then Sherlock....show me an actual JOB that hasnt had change to T&CS Andy2010
  • Score: 11

12:31pm Thu 17 Jul 14

Andy2010 says...

MarkPullen wrote:
Andy2010 wrote:
MarkPullen wrote:
Andy2010 wrote:
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Cut backs are happening throughout the public sector, wake (from your paid sleeping night shift) and smell the coffee! You have totally lost any public support!
No they have not, they have lost your support if they ever had it but if your house is on fire should they come or not after all you think they are all wasters.
I would say that is them DOING THEIR JOB. Lovely lady I spoke to at my bank today helped me out as well. She didnt want or need my support but was happy to help and get her job done because as a customer I'm helping to pay her wages.

Firemen are public servants and as such should STFU and get on with the job. If they are not happy with the conditions they are perfectly entitled to leave and seek other employment as there are vast numbers of people that would kill to have their job and conditions.

So c'mon on them Poiret...apart from putting peoples lives at risk and wasting taxpayers money what have these strikes achieved.....I'll answer that for you...diddly squat

Maybe if they didnt moan and strike about their cushty jobs there would be more money available to pay for their ridiculous demands.

And give it a rest with the fairy tales of firemen carrying children out of burning houses just before they explode. In reality with modern fire safety this really never hardly happens.

How about the firemen stop moaning and consider our troops who risk their lives daily for this country yet receive a hell of a lot less than firemen.

IF YOU DONT LIKE IT THEN LEAVE
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Whilst I accept that this was 30 years ago his injury at the shout, and eventual passing, are still difficult memories for family and former colleagues.

Sometimes I think that people with little respect have the loudest voices.
As sad as that is I had a friend who lost his life in Iraq two years ago.

Despite being on a pittance wage him and his colleagues risked their lives DAILY in order to preserve the freedoms of us all

At his remembrance his commanding officer stated he was humble and was just doing his job. No moaning about his life being at risk daily or not knowing what he was fighting for or how much his pension or income was.

Puts the miserable moaning firefighters in perspective doesn't it

Since 1978 82 firefighters have died. In 6 years in Iraq 178 British soldiers lost their lives. All without moaning about anything but just doing to job they are employed to do.
Any loss of life is sad but I feel that your distaste for local firefighters is sickening.

You indicate that a firefighter can leave the service if they don't like the package I would respond that a member of the armed forces is aware of what risks are involved and they remuneration they are to receive.

Many firefighters signed up to a package which involved specific pension rights and working conditions - these are now being withdrawn/amended and hence the protests.

Are we likely to see frontline armed forces personnel being forced to continue undertaking their job at 60?
My distaste for firefighters stems from their wooo is me attitude to their JOBS when in reality they are handsomely paid for the work they do.

Being 60 is also no detriment to their duties as proven through all this with the modern advances in their roles so in essence basically they WANT MORE MONEY for doing less of a job.

Yes their condidtions will change but cmon on sherlock tell me one job where conditions havent changed over the past decade.....exactly there isnt any.

T&C's of employment contracts change all the time everyday for loads of people but you dont see them shirking their responsibilities. You see them getting on with their jobs that they are grateful to have especially in this day and age.

I think the firefighters are now overtaking teachers as the most hated public servants out there because they listen to these idiots who lead their Unions.

Next Union meeting how about you propose that the Union officials take a 50% pay cut to cover firefighters wages when they are on strike.

Lets see how many of them agree to that !
I think you wouldn't last two minutes as a firefighter.
And firefighters couldnt do the job I do

So your point is?
It doesn't take much imagination to compare their work to one of somebody who finds the time and energy to take to the keyboard and criticise something they have no experience of apart from what appears on a monitor.

Enjoy continuing with your ill-informed rants.
Glad you have concluded I'm correct.

You know nothing about what I do for a job or what I'm trained in so therefore you cannot compare. I however as has been greatly lorded even in this thread have been reminded about what firefighters are trained. I dont dispute any of this but thats their JOB.

Fact of the matter is that driving a lorry or operating industrial machinery is statistically a hell of a lot more dangerous than a firefighters role.

The self importance of firefighters is quite staggering. They need to take off their rose tinted glasses and have a long hard look at themselves.
[quote][p][bold]MarkPullen[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Andy2010[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]MarkPullen[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Andy2010[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]MarkPullen[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Andy2010[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]MarkPullen[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Andy2010[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]collos25[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]freespeech[/bold] wrote: Irony! Putting lives at risk http://www.thetelegr aphandargus.co.uk/ne ws/11312001.Cat_resc ued_from_tree/ http://www.thetelegr aphandargus.co.uk/ne ws/11318041.Cycle_ra ce_chaos_as_fire_eng ine_gets_trapped_und er_finish_line/ http://www.thetelegr aphandargus.co.uk/ne ws/11328531.Cleckhea ton_firefighters_res cue_horse_that_had_b een_trapped_in_a_hol e_for_24_hours/ http://www.thetelegr aphandargus.co.uk/ne ws/11321992.Fire_Bri gades_Union_announce s_new_wave_of_strike s/ Cut backs are happening throughout the public sector, wake (from your paid sleeping night shift) and smell the coffee! You have totally lost any public support![/p][/quote]No they have not, they have lost your support if they ever had it but if your house is on fire should they come or not after all you think they are all wasters.[/p][/quote]I would say that is them DOING THEIR JOB. Lovely lady I spoke to at my bank today helped me out as well. She didnt want or need my support but was happy to help and get her job done because as a customer I'm helping to pay her wages. Firemen are public servants and as such should STFU and get on with the job. If they are not happy with the conditions they are perfectly entitled to leave and seek other employment as there are vast numbers of people that would kill to have their job and conditions. So c'mon on them Poiret...apart from putting peoples lives at risk and wasting taxpayers money what have these strikes achieved.....I'll answer that for you...diddly squat Maybe if they didnt moan and strike about their cushty jobs there would be more money available to pay for their ridiculous demands. And give it a rest with the fairy tales of firemen carrying children out of burning houses just before they explode. In reality with modern fire safety this really never hardly happens. How about the firemen stop moaning and consider our troops who risk their lives daily for this country yet receive a hell of a lot less than firemen. IF YOU DONT LIKE IT THEN LEAVE[/p][/quote]Last year I attended the memorial of Jeff Naylor who died from burns he received in the line of duty when rescuing five children from a burning building. http://www.thetelegr aphandargus.co.uk/ne ws/10150553.Firefigh ters_pay_tribute_in_ fundraising_to_forme r_colleague/ Whilst I accept that this was 30 years ago his injury at the shout, and eventual passing, are still difficult memories for family and former colleagues. Sometimes I think that people with little respect have the loudest voices.[/p][/quote]As sad as that is I had a friend who lost his life in Iraq two years ago. Despite being on a pittance wage him and his colleagues risked their lives DAILY in order to preserve the freedoms of us all At his remembrance his commanding officer stated he was humble and was just doing his job. No moaning about his life being at risk daily or not knowing what he was fighting for or how much his pension or income was. Puts the miserable moaning firefighters in perspective doesn't it Since 1978 82 firefighters have died. In 6 years in Iraq 178 British soldiers lost their lives. All without moaning about anything but just doing to job they are employed to do.[/p][/quote]Any loss of life is sad but I feel that your distaste for local firefighters is sickening. You indicate that a firefighter can leave the service if they don't like the package I would respond that a member of the armed forces is aware of what risks are involved and they remuneration they are to receive. Many firefighters signed up to a package which involved specific pension rights and working conditions - these are now being withdrawn/amended and hence the protests. Are we likely to see frontline armed forces personnel being forced to continue undertaking their job at 60?[/p][/quote]My distaste for firefighters stems from their wooo is me attitude to their JOBS when in reality they are handsomely paid for the work they do. Being 60 is also no detriment to their duties as proven through all this with the modern advances in their roles so in essence basically they WANT MORE MONEY for doing less of a job. Yes their condidtions will change but cmon on sherlock tell me one job where conditions havent changed over the past decade.....exactly there isnt any. T&C's of employment contracts change all the time everyday for loads of people but you dont see them shirking their responsibilities. You see them getting on with their jobs that they are grateful to have especially in this day and age. I think the firefighters are now overtaking teachers as the most hated public servants out there because they listen to these idiots who lead their Unions. Next Union meeting how about you propose that the Union officials take a 50% pay cut to cover firefighters wages when they are on strike. Lets see how many of them agree to that ![/p][/quote]I think you wouldn't last two minutes as a firefighter.[/p][/quote]And firefighters couldnt do the job I do So your point is?[/p][/quote]It doesn't take much imagination to compare their work to one of somebody who finds the time and energy to take to the keyboard and criticise something they have no experience of apart from what appears on a monitor. Enjoy continuing with your ill-informed rants.[/p][/quote]Glad you have concluded I'm correct. You know nothing about what I do for a job or what I'm trained in so therefore you cannot compare. I however as has been greatly lorded even in this thread have been reminded about what firefighters are trained. I dont dispute any of this but thats their JOB. Fact of the matter is that driving a lorry or operating industrial machinery is statistically a hell of a lot more dangerous than a firefighters role. The self importance of firefighters is quite staggering. They need to take off their rose tinted glasses and have a long hard look at themselves. Andy2010
  • Score: 10

12:32pm Thu 17 Jul 14

Andy2010 says...

Broadswordcalling wrote:
Andy2010 wrote:
MarkPullen wrote:
Andy2010 wrote:
MarkPullen wrote:
Andy2010 wrote:
MarkPullen wrote:
Andy2010 wrote:
collos25 wrote:
freespeech wrote:
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Cut backs are happening throughout the public sector, wake (from your paid sleeping night shift) and smell the coffee! You have totally lost any public support!
No they have not, they have lost your support if they ever had it but if your house is on fire should they come or not after all you think they are all wasters.
I would say that is them DOING THEIR JOB. Lovely lady I spoke to at my bank today helped me out as well. She didnt want or need my support but was happy to help and get her job done because as a customer I'm helping to pay her wages.

Firemen are public servants and as such should STFU and get on with the job. If they are not happy with the conditions they are perfectly entitled to leave and seek other employment as there are vast numbers of people that would kill to have their job and conditions.

So c'mon on them Poiret...apart from putting peoples lives at risk and wasting taxpayers money what have these strikes achieved.....I'll answer that for you...diddly squat

Maybe if they didnt moan and strike about their cushty jobs there would be more money available to pay for their ridiculous demands.

And give it a rest with the fairy tales of firemen carrying children out of burning houses just before they explode. In reality with modern fire safety this really never hardly happens.

How about the firemen stop moaning and consider our troops who risk their lives daily for this country yet receive a hell of a lot less than firemen.

IF YOU DONT LIKE IT THEN LEAVE
Last year I attended the memorial of Jeff Naylor who died from burns he received in the line of duty when rescuing five children from a burning building.

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Whilst I accept that this was 30 years ago his injury at the shout, and eventual passing, are still difficult memories for family and former colleagues.

Sometimes I think that people with little respect have the loudest voices.
As sad as that is I had a friend who lost his life in Iraq two years ago.

Despite being on a pittance wage him and his colleagues risked their lives DAILY in order to preserve the freedoms of us all

At his remembrance his commanding officer stated he was humble and was just doing his job. No moaning about his life being at risk daily or not knowing what he was fighting for or how much his pension or income was.

Puts the miserable moaning firefighters in perspective doesn't it

Since 1978 82 firefighters have died. In 6 years in Iraq 178 British soldiers lost their lives. All without moaning about anything but just doing to job they are employed to do.
Any loss of life is sad but I feel that your distaste for local firefighters is sickening.

You indicate that a firefighter can leave the service if they don't like the package I would respond that a member of the armed forces is aware of what risks are involved and they remuneration they are to receive.

Many firefighters signed up to a package which involved specific pension rights and working conditions - these are now being withdrawn/amended and hence the protests.

Are we likely to see frontline armed forces personnel being forced to continue undertaking their job at 60?
My distaste for firefighters stems from their wooo is me attitude to their JOBS when in reality they are handsomely paid for the work they do.

Being 60 is also no detriment to their duties as proven through all this with the modern advances in their roles so in essence basically they WANT MORE MONEY for doing less of a job.

Yes their condidtions will change but cmon on sherlock tell me one job where conditions havent changed over the past decade.....exactly there isnt any.

T&C's of employment contracts change all the time everyday for loads of people but you dont see them shirking their responsibilities. You see them getting on with their jobs that they are grateful to have especially in this day and age.

I think the firefighters are now overtaking teachers as the most hated public servants out there because they listen to these idiots who lead their Unions.

Next Union meeting how about you propose that the Union officials take a 50% pay cut to cover firefighters wages when they are on strike.

Lets see how many of them agree to that !
I think you wouldn't last two minutes as a firefighter.
And firefighters couldnt do the job I do

So your point is?
Andy2010 says.

"And firefighters couldnt do the job I do"

Keyboard warrior?
oh I laughed

If there was such a job that paid what I earn I would be extremely happy and the first in the queue
[quote][p][bold]Broadswordcalling[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Andy2010[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]MarkPullen[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Andy2010[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]MarkPullen[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Andy2010[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]MarkPullen[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Andy2010[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]collos25[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]freespeech[/bold] wrote: Irony! Putting lives at risk http://www.thetelegr aphandargus.co.uk/ne ws/11312001.Cat_resc ued_from_tree/ http://www.thetelegr aphandargus.co.uk/ne ws/11318041.Cycle_ra ce_chaos_as_fire_eng ine_gets_trapped_und er_finish_line/ http://www.thetelegr aphandargus.co.uk/ne ws/11328531.Cleckhea ton_firefighters_res cue_horse_that_had_b een_trapped_in_a_hol e_for_24_hours/ http://www.thetelegr aphandargus.co.uk/ne ws/11321992.Fire_Bri gades_Union_announce s_new_wave_of_strike s/ Cut backs are happening throughout the public sector, wake (from your paid sleeping night shift) and smell the coffee! You have totally lost any public support![/p][/quote]No they have not, they have lost your support if they ever had it but if your house is on fire should they come or not after all you think they are all wasters.[/p][/quote]I would say that is them DOING THEIR JOB. Lovely lady I spoke to at my bank today helped me out as well. She didnt want or need my support but was happy to help and get her job done because as a customer I'm helping to pay her wages. Firemen are public servants and as such should STFU and get on with the job. If they are not happy with the conditions they are perfectly entitled to leave and seek other employment as there are vast numbers of people that would kill to have their job and conditions. So c'mon on them Poiret...apart from putting peoples lives at risk and wasting taxpayers money what have these strikes achieved.....I'll answer that for you...diddly squat Maybe if they didnt moan and strike about their cushty jobs there would be more money available to pay for their ridiculous demands. And give it a rest with the fairy tales of firemen carrying children out of burning houses just before they explode. In reality with modern fire safety this really never hardly happens. How about the firemen stop moaning and consider our troops who risk their lives daily for this country yet receive a hell of a lot less than firemen. IF YOU DONT LIKE IT THEN LEAVE[/p][/quote]Last year I attended the memorial of Jeff Naylor who died from burns he received in the line of duty when rescuing five children from a burning building. http://www.thetelegr aphandargus.co.uk/ne ws/10150553.Firefigh ters_pay_tribute_in_ fundraising_to_forme r_colleague/ Whilst I accept that this was 30 years ago his injury at the shout, and eventual passing, are still difficult memories for family and former colleagues. Sometimes I think that people with little respect have the loudest voices.[/p][/quote]As sad as that is I had a friend who lost his life in Iraq two years ago. Despite being on a pittance wage him and his colleagues risked their lives DAILY in order to preserve the freedoms of us all At his remembrance his commanding officer stated he was humble and was just doing his job. No moaning about his life being at risk daily or not knowing what he was fighting for or how much his pension or income was. Puts the miserable moaning firefighters in perspective doesn't it Since 1978 82 firefighters have died. In 6 years in Iraq 178 British soldiers lost their lives. All without moaning about anything but just doing to job they are employed to do.[/p][/quote]Any loss of life is sad but I feel that your distaste for local firefighters is sickening. You indicate that a firefighter can leave the service if they don't like the package I would respond that a member of the armed forces is aware of what risks are involved and they remuneration they are to receive. Many firefighters signed up to a package which involved specific pension rights and working conditions - these are now being withdrawn/amended and hence the protests. Are we likely to see frontline armed forces personnel being forced to continue undertaking their job at 60?[/p][/quote]My distaste for firefighters stems from their wooo is me attitude to their JOBS when in reality they are handsomely paid for the work they do. Being 60 is also no detriment to their duties as proven through all this with the modern advances in their roles so in essence basically they WANT MORE MONEY for doing less of a job. Yes their condidtions will change but cmon on sherlock tell me one job where conditions havent changed over the past decade.....exactly there isnt any. T&C's of employment contracts change all the time everyday for loads of people but you dont see them shirking their responsibilities. You see them getting on with their jobs that they are grateful to have especially in this day and age. I think the firefighters are now overtaking teachers as the most hated public servants out there because they listen to these idiots who lead their Unions. Next Union meeting how about you propose that the Union officials take a 50% pay cut to cover firefighters wages when they are on strike. Lets see how many of them agree to that ![/p][/quote]I think you wouldn't last two minutes as a firefighter.[/p][/quote]And firefighters couldnt do the job I do So your point is?[/p][/quote]Andy2010 says. "And firefighters couldnt do the job I do" Keyboard warrior?[/p][/quote]oh I laughed If there was such a job that paid what I earn I would be extremely happy and the first in the queue Andy2010
  • Score: 10

12:33pm Thu 17 Jul 14

Broadswordcalling says...

Andy2010 wrote:
Broadswordcalling wrote:
Andy2010 wrote:
MarkPullen wrote:
Andy2010 wrote:
MarkPullen wrote:
Andy2010 wrote:
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Cut backs are happening throughout the public sector, wake (from your paid sleeping night shift) and smell the coffee! You have totally lost any public support!
No they have not, they have lost your support if they ever had it but if your house is on fire should they come or not after all you think they are all wasters.
I would say that is them DOING THEIR JOB. Lovely lady I spoke to at my bank today helped me out as well. She didnt want or need my support but was happy to help and get her job done because as a customer I'm helping to pay her wages.

Firemen are public servants and as such should STFU and get on with the job. If they are not happy with the conditions they are perfectly entitled to leave and seek other employment as there are vast numbers of people that would kill to have their job and conditions.

So c'mon on them Poiret...apart from putting peoples lives at risk and wasting taxpayers money what have these strikes achieved.....I'll answer that for you...diddly squat

Maybe if they didnt moan and strike about their cushty jobs there would be more money available to pay for their ridiculous demands.

And give it a rest with the fairy tales of firemen carrying children out of burning houses just before they explode. In reality with modern fire safety this really never hardly happens.

How about the firemen stop moaning and consider our troops who risk their lives daily for this country yet receive a hell of a lot less than firemen.

IF YOU DONT LIKE IT THEN LEAVE
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Whilst I accept that this was 30 years ago his injury at the shout, and eventual passing, are still difficult memories for family and former colleagues.

Sometimes I think that people with little respect have the loudest voices.
As sad as that is I had a friend who lost his life in Iraq two years ago.

Despite being on a pittance wage him and his colleagues risked their lives DAILY in order to preserve the freedoms of us all

At his remembrance his commanding officer stated he was humble and was just doing his job. No moaning about his life being at risk daily or not knowing what he was fighting for or how much his pension or income was.

Puts the miserable moaning firefighters in perspective doesn't it

Since 1978 82 firefighters have died. In 6 years in Iraq 178 British soldiers lost their lives. All without moaning about anything but just doing to job they are employed to do.
Any loss of life is sad but I feel that your distaste for local firefighters is sickening.

You indicate that a firefighter can leave the service if they don't like the package I would respond that a member of the armed forces is aware of what risks are involved and they remuneration they are to receive.

Many firefighters signed up to a package which involved specific pension rights and working conditions - these are now being withdrawn/amended and hence the protests.

Are we likely to see frontline armed forces personnel being forced to continue undertaking their job at 60?
My distaste for firefighters stems from their wooo is me attitude to their JOBS when in reality they are handsomely paid for the work they do.

Being 60 is also no detriment to their duties as proven through all this with the modern advances in their roles so in essence basically they WANT MORE MONEY for doing less of a job.

Yes their condidtions will change but cmon on sherlock tell me one job where conditions havent changed over the past decade.....exactly there isnt any.

T&C's of employment contracts change all the time everyday for loads of people but you dont see them shirking their responsibilities. You see them getting on with their jobs that they are grateful to have especially in this day and age.

I think the firefighters are now overtaking teachers as the most hated public servants out there because they listen to these idiots who lead their Unions.

Next Union meeting how about you propose that the Union officials take a 50% pay cut to cover firefighters wages when they are on strike.

Lets see how many of them agree to that !
Andy2010 wrote:
" Being 60 is also no detriment to their duties as proven through all this with the modern advances in their roles so in essence basically they WANT MORE MONEY for doing less of a job."

Proven by who? come on lets have the facts.

Please don't let small points like a government led survey proved exactly that age would be very detrimental.

Andy2010 wrote:
"Yes their condidtions will change but cmon on sherlock tell me one job where conditions havent changed over the past decade"

Try MP's Sherlock!!!
Difference being MP's are voted in. They dont apply so techically isnt a job in the same terms

I'm not defending MP's but you cant compare the roles at all

So C'mon then Sherlock....show me an actual JOB that hasnt had change to T&CS
Notice you made no comment on the government led survey!!!

Small amount of knowledge and selective web browsing I suppose.

Glad to see you managed to use a capital letter when writing Sherlock this time! ;-)
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You have totally lost any public support![/p][/quote]No they have not, they have lost your support if they ever had it but if your house is on fire should they come or not after all you think they are all wasters.[/p][/quote]I would say that is them DOING THEIR JOB. Lovely lady I spoke to at my bank today helped me out as well. She didnt want or need my support but was happy to help and get her job done because as a customer I'm helping to pay her wages. Firemen are public servants and as such should STFU and get on with the job. If they are not happy with the conditions they are perfectly entitled to leave and seek other employment as there are vast numbers of people that would kill to have their job and conditions. So c'mon on them Poiret...apart from putting peoples lives at risk and wasting taxpayers money what have these strikes achieved.....I'll answer that for you...diddly squat Maybe if they didnt moan and strike about their cushty jobs there would be more money available to pay for their ridiculous demands. And give it a rest with the fairy tales of firemen carrying children out of burning houses just before they explode. In reality with modern fire safety this really never hardly happens. How about the firemen stop moaning and consider our troops who risk their lives daily for this country yet receive a hell of a lot less than firemen. IF YOU DONT LIKE IT THEN LEAVE[/p][/quote]Last year I attended the memorial of Jeff Naylor who died from burns he received in the line of duty when rescuing five children from a burning building. http://www.thetelegr aphandargus.co.uk/ne ws/10150553.Firefigh ters_pay_tribute_in_ fundraising_to_forme r_colleague/ Whilst I accept that this was 30 years ago his injury at the shout, and eventual passing, are still difficult memories for family and former colleagues. Sometimes I think that people with little respect have the loudest voices.[/p][/quote]As sad as that is I had a friend who lost his life in Iraq two years ago. Despite being on a pittance wage him and his colleagues risked their lives DAILY in order to preserve the freedoms of us all At his remembrance his commanding officer stated he was humble and was just doing his job. No moaning about his life being at risk daily or not knowing what he was fighting for or how much his pension or income was. Puts the miserable moaning firefighters in perspective doesn't it Since 1978 82 firefighters have died. In 6 years in Iraq 178 British soldiers lost their lives. All without moaning about anything but just doing to job they are employed to do.[/p][/quote]Any loss of life is sad but I feel that your distaste for local firefighters is sickening. You indicate that a firefighter can leave the service if they don't like the package I would respond that a member of the armed forces is aware of what risks are involved and they remuneration they are to receive. Many firefighters signed up to a package which involved specific pension rights and working conditions - these are now being withdrawn/amended and hence the protests. Are we likely to see frontline armed forces personnel being forced to continue undertaking their job at 60?[/p][/quote]My distaste for firefighters stems from their wooo is me attitude to their JOBS when in reality they are handsomely paid for the work they do. Being 60 is also no detriment to their duties as proven through all this with the modern advances in their roles so in essence basically they WANT MORE MONEY for doing less of a job. Yes their condidtions will change but cmon on sherlock tell me one job where conditions havent changed over the past decade.....exactly there isnt any. T&C's of employment contracts change all the time everyday for loads of people but you dont see them shirking their responsibilities. You see them getting on with their jobs that they are grateful to have especially in this day and age. I think the firefighters are now overtaking teachers as the most hated public servants out there because they listen to these idiots who lead their Unions. Next Union meeting how about you propose that the Union officials take a 50% pay cut to cover firefighters wages when they are on strike. Lets see how many of them agree to that ![/p][/quote]Andy2010 wrote: " Being 60 is also no detriment to their duties as proven through all this with the modern advances in their roles so in essence basically they WANT MORE MONEY for doing less of a job." Proven by who? come on lets have the facts. Please don't let small points like a government led survey proved exactly that age would be very detrimental. Andy2010 wrote: "Yes their condidtions will change but cmon on sherlock tell me one job where conditions havent changed over the past decade" Try MP's Sherlock!!![/p][/quote]Difference being MP's are voted in. They dont apply so techically isnt a job in the same terms I'm not defending MP's but you cant compare the roles at all So C'mon then Sherlock....show me an actual JOB that hasnt had change to T&CS[/p][/quote]Notice you made no comment on the government led survey!!! Small amount of knowledge and selective web browsing I suppose. Glad to see you managed to use a capital letter when writing Sherlock this time! ;-) Broadswordcalling
  • Score: -5

12:38pm Thu 17 Jul 14

Andy2010 says...

Broadswordcalling wrote:
Andy2010 wrote:
Broadswordcalling wrote:
Andy2010 wrote:
MarkPullen wrote:
Andy2010 wrote:
MarkPullen wrote:
Andy2010 wrote:
collos25 wrote:
freespeech wrote:
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Cut backs are happening throughout the public sector, wake (from your paid sleeping night shift) and smell the coffee! You have totally lost any public support!
No they have not, they have lost your support if they ever had it but if your house is on fire should they come or not after all you think they are all wasters.
I would say that is them DOING THEIR JOB. Lovely lady I spoke to at my bank today helped me out as well. She didnt want or need my support but was happy to help and get her job done because as a customer I'm helping to pay her wages.

Firemen are public servants and as such should STFU and get on with the job. If they are not happy with the conditions they are perfectly entitled to leave and seek other employment as there are vast numbers of people that would kill to have their job and conditions.

So c'mon on them Poiret...apart from putting peoples lives at risk and wasting taxpayers money what have these strikes achieved.....I'll answer that for you...diddly squat

Maybe if they didnt moan and strike about their cushty jobs there would be more money available to pay for their ridiculous demands.

And give it a rest with the fairy tales of firemen carrying children out of burning houses just before they explode. In reality with modern fire safety this really never hardly happens.

How about the firemen stop moaning and consider our troops who risk their lives daily for this country yet receive a hell of a lot less than firemen.

IF YOU DONT LIKE IT THEN LEAVE
Last year I attended the memorial of Jeff Naylor who died from burns he received in the line of duty when rescuing five children from a burning building.

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Whilst I accept that this was 30 years ago his injury at the shout, and eventual passing, are still difficult memories for family and former colleagues.

Sometimes I think that people with little respect have the loudest voices.
As sad as that is I had a friend who lost his life in Iraq two years ago.

Despite being on a pittance wage him and his colleagues risked their lives DAILY in order to preserve the freedoms of us all

At his remembrance his commanding officer stated he was humble and was just doing his job. No moaning about his life being at risk daily or not knowing what he was fighting for or how much his pension or income was.

Puts the miserable moaning firefighters in perspective doesn't it

Since 1978 82 firefighters have died. In 6 years in Iraq 178 British soldiers lost their lives. All without moaning about anything but just doing to job they are employed to do.
Any loss of life is sad but I feel that your distaste for local firefighters is sickening.

You indicate that a firefighter can leave the service if they don't like the package I would respond that a member of the armed forces is aware of what risks are involved and they remuneration they are to receive.

Many firefighters signed up to a package which involved specific pension rights and working conditions - these are now being withdrawn/amended and hence the protests.

Are we likely to see frontline armed forces personnel being forced to continue undertaking their job at 60?
My distaste for firefighters stems from their wooo is me attitude to their JOBS when in reality they are handsomely paid for the work they do.

Being 60 is also no detriment to their duties as proven through all this with the modern advances in their roles so in essence basically they WANT MORE MONEY for doing less of a job.

Yes their condidtions will change but cmon on sherlock tell me one job where conditions havent changed over the past decade.....exactly there isnt any.

T&C's of employment contracts change all the time everyday for loads of people but you dont see them shirking their responsibilities. You see them getting on with their jobs that they are grateful to have especially in this day and age.

I think the firefighters are now overtaking teachers as the most hated public servants out there because they listen to these idiots who lead their Unions.

Next Union meeting how about you propose that the Union officials take a 50% pay cut to cover firefighters wages when they are on strike.

Lets see how many of them agree to that !
Andy2010 wrote:
" Being 60 is also no detriment to their duties as proven through all this with the modern advances in their roles so in essence basically they WANT MORE MONEY for doing less of a job."

Proven by who? come on lets have the facts.

Please don't let small points like a government led survey proved exactly that age would be very detrimental.

Andy2010 wrote:
"Yes their condidtions will change but cmon on sherlock tell me one job where conditions havent changed over the past decade"

Try MP's Sherlock!!!
Difference being MP's are voted in. They dont apply so techically isnt a job in the same terms

I'm not defending MP's but you cant compare the roles at all

So C'mon then Sherlock....show me an actual JOB that hasnt had change to T&CS
Notice you made no comment on the government led survey!!!

Small amount of knowledge and selective web browsing I suppose.

Glad to see you managed to use a capital letter when writing Sherlock this time! ;-)
Notice how you are unable to quote me one job which hasnt had a change in T&C's

And your welcome for the capital letter. You clearly are not a firefighter spotting that error
[quote][p][bold]Broadswordcalling[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Andy2010[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Broadswordcalling[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Andy2010[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]MarkPullen[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Andy2010[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]MarkPullen[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Andy2010[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]collos25[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]freespeech[/bold] wrote: Irony! Putting lives at risk http://www.thetelegr aphandargus.co.uk/ne ws/11312001.Cat_resc ued_from_tree/ http://www.thetelegr aphandargus.co.uk/ne ws/11318041.Cycle_ra ce_chaos_as_fire_eng ine_gets_trapped_und er_finish_line/ http://www.thetelegr aphandargus.co.uk/ne ws/11328531.Cleckhea ton_firefighters_res cue_horse_that_had_b een_trapped_in_a_hol e_for_24_hours/ http://www.thetelegr aphandargus.co.uk/ne ws/11321992.Fire_Bri gades_Union_announce s_new_wave_of_strike s/ Cut backs are happening throughout the public sector, wake (from your paid sleeping night shift) and smell the coffee! You have totally lost any public support![/p][/quote]No they have not, they have lost your support if they ever had it but if your house is on fire should they come or not after all you think they are all wasters.[/p][/quote]I would say that is them DOING THEIR JOB. Lovely lady I spoke to at my bank today helped me out as well. She didnt want or need my support but was happy to help and get her job done because as a customer I'm helping to pay her wages. Firemen are public servants and as such should STFU and get on with the job. If they are not happy with the conditions they are perfectly entitled to leave and seek other employment as there are vast numbers of people that would kill to have their job and conditions. So c'mon on them Poiret...apart from putting peoples lives at risk and wasting taxpayers money what have these strikes achieved.....I'll answer that for you...diddly squat Maybe if they didnt moan and strike about their cushty jobs there would be more money available to pay for their ridiculous demands. And give it a rest with the fairy tales of firemen carrying children out of burning houses just before they explode. In reality with modern fire safety this really never hardly happens. How about the firemen stop moaning and consider our troops who risk their lives daily for this country yet receive a hell of a lot less than firemen. IF YOU DONT LIKE IT THEN LEAVE[/p][/quote]Last year I attended the memorial of Jeff Naylor who died from burns he received in the line of duty when rescuing five children from a burning building. http://www.thetelegr aphandargus.co.uk/ne ws/10150553.Firefigh ters_pay_tribute_in_ fundraising_to_forme r_colleague/ Whilst I accept that this was 30 years ago his injury at the shout, and eventual passing, are still difficult memories for family and former colleagues. Sometimes I think that people with little respect have the loudest voices.[/p][/quote]As sad as that is I had a friend who lost his life in Iraq two years ago. Despite being on a pittance wage him and his colleagues risked their lives DAILY in order to preserve the freedoms of us all At his remembrance his commanding officer stated he was humble and was just doing his job. No moaning about his life being at risk daily or not knowing what he was fighting for or how much his pension or income was. Puts the miserable moaning firefighters in perspective doesn't it Since 1978 82 firefighters have died. In 6 years in Iraq 178 British soldiers lost their lives. All without moaning about anything but just doing to job they are employed to do.[/p][/quote]Any loss of life is sad but I feel that your distaste for local firefighters is sickening. You indicate that a firefighter can leave the service if they don't like the package I would respond that a member of the armed forces is aware of what risks are involved and they remuneration they are to receive. Many firefighters signed up to a package which involved specific pension rights and working conditions - these are now being withdrawn/amended and hence the protests. Are we likely to see frontline armed forces personnel being forced to continue undertaking their job at 60?[/p][/quote]My distaste for firefighters stems from their wooo is me attitude to their JOBS when in reality they are handsomely paid for the work they do. Being 60 is also no detriment to their duties as proven through all this with the modern advances in their roles so in essence basically they WANT MORE MONEY for doing less of a job. Yes their condidtions will change but cmon on sherlock tell me one job where conditions havent changed over the past decade.....exactly there isnt any. T&C's of employment contracts change all the time everyday for loads of people but you dont see them shirking their responsibilities. You see them getting on with their jobs that they are grateful to have especially in this day and age. I think the firefighters are now overtaking teachers as the most hated public servants out there because they listen to these idiots who lead their Unions. Next Union meeting how about you propose that the Union officials take a 50% pay cut to cover firefighters wages when they are on strike. Lets see how many of them agree to that ![/p][/quote]Andy2010 wrote: " Being 60 is also no detriment to their duties as proven through all this with the modern advances in their roles so in essence basically they WANT MORE MONEY for doing less of a job." Proven by who? come on lets have the facts. Please don't let small points like a government led survey proved exactly that age would be very detrimental. Andy2010 wrote: "Yes their condidtions will change but cmon on sherlock tell me one job where conditions havent changed over the past decade" Try MP's Sherlock!!![/p][/quote]Difference being MP's are voted in. They dont apply so techically isnt a job in the same terms I'm not defending MP's but you cant compare the roles at all So C'mon then Sherlock....show me an actual JOB that hasnt had change to T&CS[/p][/quote]Notice you made no comment on the government led survey!!! Small amount of knowledge and selective web browsing I suppose. Glad to see you managed to use a capital letter when writing Sherlock this time! ;-)[/p][/quote]Notice how you are unable to quote me one job which hasnt had a change in T&C's And your welcome for the capital letter. You clearly are not a firefighter spotting that error Andy2010
  • Score: 8

12:49pm Thu 17 Jul 14

Broadswordcalling says...

Andy2010 wrote:
Andy2010 wrote;
Notice how you are unable to quote me one job which hasnt had a change in T&C's.

Not interested in other Union capitulation, which essentially is what you're referring to, however you clearly revel in it!

What can you tell me about the government study which blows your previous argument out of the water?
Andy2010 wrote: Andy2010 wrote; Notice how you are unable to quote me one job which hasnt had a change in T&C's. Not interested in other Union capitulation, which essentially is what you're referring to, however you clearly revel in it! What can you tell me about the government study which blows your previous argument out of the water? Broadswordcalling
  • Score: -2

1:09pm Thu 17 Jul 14

Andy2010 says...

Broadswordcalling wrote:
Andy2010 wrote:
Andy2010 wrote;
Notice how you are unable to quote me one job which hasnt had a change in T&C's.

Not interested in other Union capitulation, which essentially is what you're referring to, however you clearly revel in it!

What can you tell me about the government study which blows your previous argument out of the water?
What government study are you referring to.

If you would kindly provide a link to this I would gladly review and comment

For the record also I'm not referring to any Union capitulation. I'm referring to all jobs in general.

So I ask again...please show me one job where T&C's haven't changed in the past decade. Or is it that the Firefighters think they are a special case?.
[quote][p][bold]Broadswordcalling[/bold] wrote: Andy2010 wrote: Andy2010 wrote; Notice how you are unable to quote me one job which hasnt had a change in T&C's. Not interested in other Union capitulation, which essentially is what you're referring to, however you clearly revel in it! What can you tell me about the government study which blows your previous argument out of the water?[/p][/quote]What government study are you referring to. If you would kindly provide a link to this I would gladly review and comment For the record also I'm not referring to any Union capitulation. I'm referring to all jobs in general. So I ask again...please show me one job where T&C's haven't changed in the past decade. Or is it that the Firefighters think they are a special case?. Andy2010
  • Score: 7

1:52pm Thu 17 Jul 14

Broadswordcalling says...

Well there you go!

You come on here making disparaging comments about the firefighters dispute when you have no idea whatsoever what the firefighters dispute is based upon.

I won't make it easy for you.

Find it yourself, read it then find out what the other pertinent facts of this dispute are.

But you won't do that will you?
Well there you go! You come on here making disparaging comments about the firefighters dispute when you have no idea whatsoever what the firefighters dispute is based upon. I won't make it easy for you. Find it yourself, read it then find out what the other pertinent facts of this dispute are. But you won't do that will you? Broadswordcalling
  • Score: -10

5:02pm Thu 17 Jul 14

MarkPullen says...

I like Andy2010 because he shows everybody how blinkered some individuals are comparing the dangers of being a HGV driver to that of being a firefighter.

Let's just hope for his sake that Andy2010 never needs the moaning firefighters who aren't worth their monies to come to a shout at his gaff due his overheating grey matter - it's amazing how little is required to cause something to smoulder!

Whatever your occupation, Andy2010, you've proved that you're just a bloke with a keyboard and opinion - that's enough for me!
I like Andy2010 because he shows everybody how blinkered some individuals are comparing the dangers of being a HGV driver to that of being a firefighter. Let's just hope for his sake that Andy2010 never needs the moaning firefighters who aren't worth their monies to come to a shout at his gaff due his overheating grey matter - it's amazing how little is required to cause something to smoulder! Whatever your occupation, Andy2010, you've proved that you're just a bloke with a keyboard and opinion - that's enough for me! MarkPullen
  • Score: -12

5:13pm Thu 17 Jul 14

freespeech says...

Broadswordcalling wrote:
Well there you go!

You come on here making disparaging comments about the firefighters dispute when you have no idea whatsoever what the firefighters dispute is based upon.

I won't make it easy for you.

Find it yourself, read it then find out what the other pertinent facts of this dispute are.

But you won't do that will you?
We all know exactly what the firefighters beef is, you've sent every opportunity you can to ram it down our throats. Wake up! WE DON'T CARE! Get on with it or find another job! Simple!
[quote][p][bold]Broadswordcalling[/bold] wrote: Well there you go! You come on here making disparaging comments about the firefighters dispute when you have no idea whatsoever what the firefighters dispute is based upon. I won't make it easy for you. Find it yourself, read it then find out what the other pertinent facts of this dispute are. But you won't do that will you?[/p][/quote]We all know exactly what the firefighters beef is, you've sent every opportunity you can to ram it down our throats. Wake up! WE DON'T CARE! Get on with it or find another job! Simple! freespeech
  • Score: 11

5:16pm Thu 17 Jul 14

freespeech says...

Secondly, your strikes are showing the public, perhaps we don't need as bigger fire service. Turkeys voting for Christmas I think.
Secondly, your strikes are showing the public, perhaps we don't need as bigger fire service. Turkeys voting for Christmas I think. freespeech
  • Score: 16

8:49pm Thu 17 Jul 14

Broadswordcalling says...

freespeech wrote:
Broadswordcalling wrote:
Well there you go!

You come on here making disparaging comments about the firefighters dispute when you have no idea whatsoever what the firefighters dispute is based upon.

I won't make it easy for you.

Find it yourself, read it then find out what the other pertinent facts of this dispute are.

But you won't do that will you?
We all know exactly what the firefighters beef is, you've sent every opportunity you can to ram it down our throats. Wake up! WE DON'T CARE! Get on with it or find another job! Simple!
You don't care, yet you've taken time to write on here, bit contradictory eh .

So in your own simple words freespeech what is the dispute about, come on divulge your knowledge.
[quote][p][bold]freespeech[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Broadswordcalling[/bold] wrote: Well there you go! You come on here making disparaging comments about the firefighters dispute when you have no idea whatsoever what the firefighters dispute is based upon. I won't make it easy for you. Find it yourself, read it then find out what the other pertinent facts of this dispute are. But you won't do that will you?[/p][/quote]We all know exactly what the firefighters beef is, you've sent every opportunity you can to ram it down our throats. Wake up! WE DON'T CARE! Get on with it or find another job! Simple![/p][/quote]You don't care, yet you've taken time to write on here, bit contradictory eh . So in your own simple words freespeech what is the dispute about, come on divulge your knowledge. Broadswordcalling
  • Score: -14

8:46am Fri 18 Jul 14

Andy2010 says...

MarkPullen wrote:
I like Andy2010 because he shows everybody how blinkered some individuals are comparing the dangers of being a HGV driver to that of being a firefighter.

Let's just hope for his sake that Andy2010 never needs the moaning firefighters who aren't worth their monies to come to a shout at his gaff due his overheating grey matter - it's amazing how little is required to cause something to smoulder!

Whatever your occupation, Andy2010, you've proved that you're just a bloke with a keyboard and opinion - that's enough for me!
" you've proved that you're just a bloke with a keyboard and opinion - that's enough for me!"

Oh the irony

And yes should I require the fire service they WILL attend as I and other pay their hefty salaries. That is if they aren't striking of course
[quote][p][bold]MarkPullen[/bold] wrote: I like Andy2010 because he shows everybody how blinkered some individuals are comparing the dangers of being a HGV driver to that of being a firefighter. Let's just hope for his sake that Andy2010 never needs the moaning firefighters who aren't worth their monies to come to a shout at his gaff due his overheating grey matter - it's amazing how little is required to cause something to smoulder! Whatever your occupation, Andy2010, you've proved that you're just a bloke with a keyboard and opinion - that's enough for me![/p][/quote]" you've proved that you're just a bloke with a keyboard and opinion - that's enough for me!" Oh the irony And yes should I require the fire service they WILL attend as I and other pay their hefty salaries. That is if they aren't striking of course Andy2010
  • Score: 13

8:48am Fri 18 Jul 14

Andy2010 says...

Broadswordcalling wrote:
Well there you go!

You come on here making disparaging comments about the firefighters dispute when you have no idea whatsoever what the firefighters dispute is based upon.

I won't make it easy for you.

Find it yourself, read it then find out what the other pertinent facts of this dispute are.

But you won't do that will you?
Strike achieved anything yet has it?

Thought not...just a PR disaster as usual
[quote][p][bold]Broadswordcalling[/bold] wrote: Well there you go! You come on here making disparaging comments about the firefighters dispute when you have no idea whatsoever what the firefighters dispute is based upon. I won't make it easy for you. Find it yourself, read it then find out what the other pertinent facts of this dispute are. But you won't do that will you?[/p][/quote]Strike achieved anything yet has it? Thought not...just a PR disaster as usual Andy2010
  • Score: 12

10:54am Fri 18 Jul 14

Broadswordcalling says...

Andy2010 says
"Being 60 is also no detriment to their duties as proven"

Well still waiting, proven by who?

Is it a case of must be true because you wrote it?
Andy2010 says "Being 60 is also no detriment to their duties as proven" Well still waiting, proven by who? Is it a case of must be true because you wrote it? Broadswordcalling
  • Score: -12

10:54am Fri 18 Jul 14

Broadswordcalling says...

Andy2010 wrote:
Broadswordcalling wrote:
Well there you go!

You come on here making disparaging comments about the firefighters dispute when you have no idea whatsoever what the firefighters dispute is based upon.

I won't make it easy for you.

Find it yourself, read it then find out what the other pertinent facts of this dispute are.

But you won't do that will you?
Strike achieved anything yet has it?

Thought not...just a PR disaster as usual
Oh bless!
[quote][p][bold]Andy2010[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Broadswordcalling[/bold] wrote: Well there you go! You come on here making disparaging comments about the firefighters dispute when you have no idea whatsoever what the firefighters dispute is based upon. I won't make it easy for you. Find it yourself, read it then find out what the other pertinent facts of this dispute are. But you won't do that will you?[/p][/quote]Strike achieved anything yet has it? Thought not...just a PR disaster as usual[/p][/quote]Oh bless! Broadswordcalling
  • Score: -15

11:48am Fri 18 Jul 14

Andy2010 says...

Broadswordcalling wrote:
Andy2010 wrote:
Broadswordcalling wrote:
Well there you go!

You come on here making disparaging comments about the firefighters dispute when you have no idea whatsoever what the firefighters dispute is based upon.

I won't make it easy for you.

Find it yourself, read it then find out what the other pertinent facts of this dispute are.

But you won't do that will you?
Strike achieved anything yet has it?

Thought not...just a PR disaster as usual
Oh bless!
Good to see the contingency firefighters were on hand to help the lad trapped under the car this morning

Hats of to them firefighters who stood up to their numpty colleagues and Unions
[quote][p][bold]Broadswordcalling[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Andy2010[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Broadswordcalling[/bold] wrote: Well there you go! You come on here making disparaging comments about the firefighters dispute when you have no idea whatsoever what the firefighters dispute is based upon. I won't make it easy for you. Find it yourself, read it then find out what the other pertinent facts of this dispute are. But you won't do that will you?[/p][/quote]Strike achieved anything yet has it? Thought not...just a PR disaster as usual[/p][/quote]Oh bless![/p][/quote]Good to see the contingency firefighters were on hand to help the lad trapped under the car this morning Hats of to them firefighters who stood up to their numpty colleagues and Unions Andy2010
  • Score: 13

12:03pm Fri 18 Jul 14

Broadswordcalling says...

Broadswordcalling wrote:
Andy2010 says
"Being 60 is also no detriment to their duties as proven"

Well still waiting, proven by who?

Is it a case of must be true because you wrote it?
Still waiting!!!!!!!
[quote][p][bold]Broadswordcalling[/bold] wrote: Andy2010 says "Being 60 is also no detriment to their duties as proven" Well still waiting, proven by who? Is it a case of must be true because you wrote it?[/p][/quote]Still waiting!!!!!!! Broadswordcalling
  • Score: -10

12:12pm Fri 18 Jul 14

Broadswordcalling says...

Broadswordcalling wrote:
Broadswordcalling wrote:
Andy2010 says
"Being 60 is also no detriment to their duties as proven"

Well still waiting, proven by who?

Is it a case of must be true because you wrote it?
Still waiting!!!!!!!
Andy2010 can't/won't answer at the moment as he's busy continually clearing his browser cache so he can vote other peoples comments down.

Bless!!!!
[quote][p][bold]Broadswordcalling[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Broadswordcalling[/bold] wrote: Andy2010 says "Being 60 is also no detriment to their duties as proven" Well still waiting, proven by who? Is it a case of must be true because you wrote it?[/p][/quote]Still waiting!!!!!!![/p][/quote]Andy2010 can't/won't answer at the moment as he's busy continually clearing his browser cache so he can vote other peoples comments down. Bless!!!! Broadswordcalling
  • Score: -3

12:27pm Fri 18 Jul 14

Andy2010 says...

Broadswordcalling wrote:
Broadswordcalling wrote:
Broadswordcalling wrote:
Andy2010 says
"Being 60 is also no detriment to their duties as proven"

Well still waiting, proven by who?

Is it a case of must be true because you wrote it?
Still waiting!!!!!!!
Andy2010 can't/won't answer at the moment as he's busy continually clearing his browser cache so he can vote other peoples comments down.

Bless!!!!
Strange I was thinking the same thing about your comments

Anyway I digress. I concede that I cannot find the information I read previously about the fitness concerning 55+ to 60 year olds.

I will however ask you to answer my earlier question which you have conventionally sidestepped about T&C's changing for all public sectors workers.

Also care to comment about the firemen this morning who actually have standard and stayed at work to help that child trapped under the car whilst their idiot colleagues stand around doing nothing because they want more money and better conditions?
[quote][p][bold]Broadswordcalling[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Broadswordcalling[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Broadswordcalling[/bold] wrote: Andy2010 says "Being 60 is also no detriment to their duties as proven" Well still waiting, proven by who? Is it a case of must be true because you wrote it?[/p][/quote]Still waiting!!!!!!![/p][/quote]Andy2010 can't/won't answer at the moment as he's busy continually clearing his browser cache so he can vote other peoples comments down. Bless!!!![/p][/quote]Strange I was thinking the same thing about your comments Anyway I digress. I concede that I cannot find the information I read previously about the fitness concerning 55+ to 60 year olds. I will however ask you to answer my earlier question which you have conventionally sidestepped about T&C's changing for all public sectors workers. Also care to comment about the firemen this morning who actually have standard and stayed at work to help that child trapped under the car whilst their idiot colleagues stand around doing nothing because they want more money and better conditions? Andy2010
  • Score: 4

12:39pm Fri 18 Jul 14

Broadswordcalling says...

Andy2010 wrote:
Broadswordcalling wrote:
Broadswordcalling wrote:
Broadswordcalling wrote:
Andy2010 says
"Being 60 is also no detriment to their duties as proven"

Well still waiting, proven by who?

Is it a case of must be true because you wrote it?
Still waiting!!!!!!!
Andy2010 can't/won't answer at the moment as he's busy continually clearing his browser cache so he can vote other peoples comments down.

Bless!!!!
Strange I was thinking the same thing about your comments

Anyway I digress. I concede that I cannot find the information I read previously about the fitness concerning 55+ to 60 year olds.

I will however ask you to answer my earlier question which you have conventionally sidestepped about T&C's changing for all public sectors workers.

Also care to comment about the firemen this morning who actually have standard and stayed at work to help that child trapped under the car whilst their idiot colleagues stand around doing nothing because they want more money and better conditions?
Nice of you to reply in between pumping up your scores ;-))

I have already answered your question regarding other unions capitulating. Your flawed reasoning implies because they have accepted loss of COS every other public sector worker should accept the same.

As for your last comment about the dispute being about more money and better conditions just shows how little you know about this dispute.
[quote][p][bold]Andy2010[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Broadswordcalling[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Broadswordcalling[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Broadswordcalling[/bold] wrote: Andy2010 says "Being 60 is also no detriment to their duties as proven" Well still waiting, proven by who? Is it a case of must be true because you wrote it?[/p][/quote]Still waiting!!!!!!![/p][/quote]Andy2010 can't/won't answer at the moment as he's busy continually clearing his browser cache so he can vote other peoples comments down. Bless!!!![/p][/quote]Strange I was thinking the same thing about your comments Anyway I digress. I concede that I cannot find the information I read previously about the fitness concerning 55+ to 60 year olds. I will however ask you to answer my earlier question which you have conventionally sidestepped about T&C's changing for all public sectors workers. Also care to comment about the firemen this morning who actually have standard and stayed at work to help that child trapped under the car whilst their idiot colleagues stand around doing nothing because they want more money and better conditions?[/p][/quote]Nice of you to reply in between pumping up your scores ;-)) I have already answered your question regarding other unions capitulating. Your flawed reasoning implies because they have accepted loss of COS every other public sector worker should accept the same. As for your last comment about the dispute being about more money and better conditions just shows how little you know about this dispute. Broadswordcalling
  • Score: -1

12:46pm Fri 18 Jul 14

BCFC1911 says...

I feel as an acting firefighter I'm able to comment accurately on this issue and maybe give a more balanced view.

Reading the comments above I find the way this and previous IA's have been handled by our Union(s) as extremely wrong. It has receded the amount of public support for our action and whilst I'm firmly on the side of my fellow colleagues I can understand how the public are perceiving us as is quoted above in this story.

My fellow firefighters admit that in general our pay and conditions are in line or above expectations of the role but the issue of the retirement age and pensions I think is something the public don't understand. I feel there will be a detriment to the service for firefighters to work to this age but it is not totally out of the question.

I do however feel the FBU need to get out of the 1970's and realise a time for calling strike action should only be used as a last last last last resort of which this current dispute is nowhere near.

Once this point has been reached in the action the public need to be told exactly why we are at this stage and why were are taking action, not just some emotionally charged story in the paper as seems to be the case nowadays.

We used to be able to count on the public's support through these IA's but the amount of comments I've received on the PL's of "w%nkers, t%ssers" and simply "get back to work" have increased as each action takes place.

I think the FBU need to carefully consider any future actions before the Government start to use the lack of public support against us and even today I'm reading about the Government moving the goalposts on the numbers needed for strike action. If the FBU are no careful we will all end up as the most hated emergency service out there when if you look back 20 years my profession was admired and aspired to.
I feel as an acting firefighter I'm able to comment accurately on this issue and maybe give a more balanced view. Reading the comments above I find the way this and previous IA's have been handled by our Union(s) as extremely wrong. It has receded the amount of public support for our action and whilst I'm firmly on the side of my fellow colleagues I can understand how the public are perceiving us as is quoted above in this story. My fellow firefighters admit that in general our pay and conditions are in line or above expectations of the role but the issue of the retirement age and pensions I think is something the public don't understand. I feel there will be a detriment to the service for firefighters to work to this age but it is not totally out of the question. I do however feel the FBU need to get out of the 1970's and realise a time for calling strike action should only be used as a last last last last resort of which this current dispute is nowhere near. Once this point has been reached in the action the public need to be told exactly why we are at this stage and why were are taking action, not just some emotionally charged story in the paper as seems to be the case nowadays. We used to be able to count on the public's support through these IA's but the amount of comments I've received on the PL's of "w%nkers, t%ssers" and simply "get back to work" have increased as each action takes place. I think the FBU need to carefully consider any future actions before the Government start to use the lack of public support against us and even today I'm reading about the Government moving the goalposts on the numbers needed for strike action. If the FBU are no careful we will all end up as the most hated emergency service out there when if you look back 20 years my profession was admired and aspired to. BCFC1911
  • Score: 5

12:50pm Fri 18 Jul 14

Andy2010 says...

Broadswordcalling wrote:
Andy2010 wrote:
Broadswordcalling wrote:
Broadswordcalling wrote:
Broadswordcalling wrote:
Andy2010 says
"Being 60 is also no detriment to their duties as proven"

Well still waiting, proven by who?

Is it a case of must be true because you wrote it?
Still waiting!!!!!!!
Andy2010 can't/won't answer at the moment as he's busy continually clearing his browser cache so he can vote other peoples comments down.

Bless!!!!
Strange I was thinking the same thing about your comments

Anyway I digress. I concede that I cannot find the information I read previously about the fitness concerning 55+ to 60 year olds.

I will however ask you to answer my earlier question which you have conventionally sidestepped about T&C's changing for all public sectors workers.

Also care to comment about the firemen this morning who actually have standard and stayed at work to help that child trapped under the car whilst their idiot colleagues stand around doing nothing because they want more money and better conditions?
Nice of you to reply in between pumping up your scores ;-))

I have already answered your question regarding other unions capitulating. Your flawed reasoning implies because they have accepted loss of COS every other public sector worker should accept the same.

As for your last comment about the dispute being about more money and better conditions just shows how little you know about this dispute.
Care to comment about the contingency firefighters this morning having to help that child because their workshy mates wont?
[quote][p][bold]Broadswordcalling[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Andy2010[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Broadswordcalling[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Broadswordcalling[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Broadswordcalling[/bold] wrote: Andy2010 says "Being 60 is also no detriment to their duties as proven" Well still waiting, proven by who? Is it a case of must be true because you wrote it?[/p][/quote]Still waiting!!!!!!![/p][/quote]Andy2010 can't/won't answer at the moment as he's busy continually clearing his browser cache so he can vote other peoples comments down. Bless!!!![/p][/quote]Strange I was thinking the same thing about your comments Anyway I digress. I concede that I cannot find the information I read previously about the fitness concerning 55+ to 60 year olds. I will however ask you to answer my earlier question which you have conventionally sidestepped about T&C's changing for all public sectors workers. Also care to comment about the firemen this morning who actually have standard and stayed at work to help that child trapped under the car whilst their idiot colleagues stand around doing nothing because they want more money and better conditions?[/p][/quote]Nice of you to reply in between pumping up your scores ;-)) I have already answered your question regarding other unions capitulating. Your flawed reasoning implies because they have accepted loss of COS every other public sector worker should accept the same. As for your last comment about the dispute being about more money and better conditions just shows how little you know about this dispute.[/p][/quote]Care to comment about the contingency firefighters this morning having to help that child because their workshy mates wont? Andy2010
  • Score: 2

12:51pm Fri 18 Jul 14

Andy2010 says...

BCFC1911 wrote:
I feel as an acting firefighter I'm able to comment accurately on this issue and maybe give a more balanced view.

Reading the comments above I find the way this and previous IA's have been handled by our Union(s) as extremely wrong. It has receded the amount of public support for our action and whilst I'm firmly on the side of my fellow colleagues I can understand how the public are perceiving us as is quoted above in this story.

My fellow firefighters admit that in general our pay and conditions are in line or above expectations of the role but the issue of the retirement age and pensions I think is something the public don't understand. I feel there will be a detriment to the service for firefighters to work to this age but it is not totally out of the question.

I do however feel the FBU need to get out of the 1970's and realise a time for calling strike action should only be used as a last last last last resort of which this current dispute is nowhere near.

Once this point has been reached in the action the public need to be told exactly why we are at this stage and why were are taking action, not just some emotionally charged story in the paper as seems to be the case nowadays.

We used to be able to count on the public's support through these IA's but the amount of comments I've received on the PL's of "w%nkers, t%ssers" and simply "get back to work" have increased as each action takes place.

I think the FBU need to carefully consider any future actions before the Government start to use the lack of public support against us and even today I'm reading about the Government moving the goalposts on the numbers needed for strike action. If the FBU are no careful we will all end up as the most hated emergency service out there when if you look back 20 years my profession was admired and aspired to.
Probably the most balanced and accurate posting this whole thread.

Dont agree with action as you have probably guessed but the way you put is across makes more sense without the woooo is me attitude some have on here
[quote][p][bold]BCFC1911[/bold] wrote: I feel as an acting firefighter I'm able to comment accurately on this issue and maybe give a more balanced view. Reading the comments above I find the way this and previous IA's have been handled by our Union(s) as extremely wrong. It has receded the amount of public support for our action and whilst I'm firmly on the side of my fellow colleagues I can understand how the public are perceiving us as is quoted above in this story. My fellow firefighters admit that in general our pay and conditions are in line or above expectations of the role but the issue of the retirement age and pensions I think is something the public don't understand. I feel there will be a detriment to the service for firefighters to work to this age but it is not totally out of the question. I do however feel the FBU need to get out of the 1970's and realise a time for calling strike action should only be used as a last last last last resort of which this current dispute is nowhere near. Once this point has been reached in the action the public need to be told exactly why we are at this stage and why were are taking action, not just some emotionally charged story in the paper as seems to be the case nowadays. We used to be able to count on the public's support through these IA's but the amount of comments I've received on the PL's of "w%nkers, t%ssers" and simply "get back to work" have increased as each action takes place. I think the FBU need to carefully consider any future actions before the Government start to use the lack of public support against us and even today I'm reading about the Government moving the goalposts on the numbers needed for strike action. If the FBU are no careful we will all end up as the most hated emergency service out there when if you look back 20 years my profession was admired and aspired to.[/p][/quote]Probably the most balanced and accurate posting this whole thread. Dont agree with action as you have probably guessed but the way you put is across makes more sense without the woooo is me attitude some have on here Andy2010
  • Score: 2

12:54pm Fri 18 Jul 14

Broadswordcalling says...

Andy2010 says...
"Care to comment about the contingency firefighters this morning having to help that child because their workshy mates wont?"

Now what exactly would you like me to say about them?
Andy2010 says... "Care to comment about the contingency firefighters this morning having to help that child because their workshy mates wont?" Now what exactly would you like me to say about them? Broadswordcalling
  • Score: -2

12:58pm Fri 18 Jul 14

Broadswordcalling says...

BCFC1911 wrote:
"I do however feel the FBU need to get out of the 1970's and realise a time for calling strike action should only be used as a last last last last resort of which this current dispute is nowhere near."

Interesting, when would last resort kick in?
BCFC1911 wrote: "I do however feel the FBU need to get out of the 1970's and realise a time for calling strike action should only be used as a last last last last resort of which this current dispute is nowhere near." Interesting, when would last resort kick in? Broadswordcalling
  • Score: -4

1:03pm Fri 18 Jul 14

Andy2010 says...

Broadswordcalling wrote:
Andy2010 says...
"Care to comment about the contingency firefighters this morning having to help that child because their workshy mates wont?"

Now what exactly would you like me to say about them?
Your views on the matter...plain and simple
[quote][p][bold]Broadswordcalling[/bold] wrote: Andy2010 says... "Care to comment about the contingency firefighters this morning having to help that child because their workshy mates wont?" Now what exactly would you like me to say about them?[/p][/quote]Your views on the matter...plain and simple Andy2010
  • Score: 2

3:35pm Fri 18 Jul 14

alive and awake says...

Is there only me concerned about the fact that the firemen do work on the side, avoid paying tax and take jobs from honest artisans? If this is acceptable, then it is totally unacceptable to criticise Bankers.
Is there only me concerned about the fact that the firemen do work on the side, avoid paying tax and take jobs from honest artisans? If this is acceptable, then it is totally unacceptable to criticise Bankers. alive and awake
  • Score: 0

3:53pm Fri 18 Jul 14

Broadswordcalling says...

alive and awake wrote:
Is there only me concerned about the fact that the firemen do work on the side, avoid paying tax and take jobs from honest artisans? If this is acceptable, then it is totally unacceptable to criticise Bankers.
According to the Office for National Statistics, more than a million people in the UK have a second job. Organisations like People Per Hour have seen dramatic rises in the number of people seeking second jobs. People Per Hour say it is their fastest growing sector and that it has doubled between 2012 and 2013.

So you're stating as fact that all firefighters have a second job and all of them avoid paying tax.

Could you reference your source, or is this just urban myth?
[quote][p][bold]alive and awake[/bold] wrote: Is there only me concerned about the fact that the firemen do work on the side, avoid paying tax and take jobs from honest artisans? If this is acceptable, then it is totally unacceptable to criticise Bankers.[/p][/quote]According to the Office for National Statistics, more than a million people in the UK have a second job. Organisations like People Per Hour have seen dramatic rises in the number of people seeking second jobs. People Per Hour say it is their fastest growing sector and that it has doubled between 2012 and 2013. So you're stating as fact that all firefighters have a second job and all of them avoid paying tax. Could you reference your source, or is this just urban myth? Broadswordcalling
  • Score: -1

4:01pm Fri 18 Jul 14

Andy2010 says...

Broadswordcalling wrote:
alive and awake wrote:
Is there only me concerned about the fact that the firemen do work on the side, avoid paying tax and take jobs from honest artisans? If this is acceptable, then it is totally unacceptable to criticise Bankers.
According to the Office for National Statistics, more than a million people in the UK have a second job. Organisations like People Per Hour have seen dramatic rises in the number of people seeking second jobs. People Per Hour say it is their fastest growing sector and that it has doubled between 2012 and 2013.

So you're stating as fact that all firefighters have a second job and all of them avoid paying tax.

Could you reference your source, or is this just urban myth?
I would probably say most of them do actually pay tax but that isnt the point.

You cant on one hand moan about your main jobs pay and conditions etc then proceed to do a second job which the first job's pay / hours allows you to do.

Most people dont have time for a second job at all yet firefighters because of their generous working arrangements do.

Thats the point
[quote][p][bold]Broadswordcalling[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]alive and awake[/bold] wrote: Is there only me concerned about the fact that the firemen do work on the side, avoid paying tax and take jobs from honest artisans? If this is acceptable, then it is totally unacceptable to criticise Bankers.[/p][/quote]According to the Office for National Statistics, more than a million people in the UK have a second job. Organisations like People Per Hour have seen dramatic rises in the number of people seeking second jobs. People Per Hour say it is their fastest growing sector and that it has doubled between 2012 and 2013. So you're stating as fact that all firefighters have a second job and all of them avoid paying tax. Could you reference your source, or is this just urban myth?[/p][/quote]I would probably say most of them do actually pay tax but that isnt the point. You cant on one hand moan about your main jobs pay and conditions etc then proceed to do a second job which the first job's pay / hours allows you to do. Most people dont have time for a second job at all yet firefighters because of their generous working arrangements do. Thats the point Andy2010
  • Score: 1

4:07pm Fri 18 Jul 14

Broadswordcalling says...

Andy2010 says...
"Most people dont have time for a second job at all yet firefighters because of their generous working arrangements do."

Well apparently over a million have time according to Office for National Statistics.
Must all be firefighters using your flawed reasoning.
Andy2010 says... "Most people dont have time for a second job at all yet firefighters because of their generous working arrangements do." Well apparently over a million have time according to Office for National Statistics. Must all be firefighters using your flawed reasoning. Broadswordcalling
  • Score: -1

4:09pm Fri 18 Jul 14

alive and awake says...

Broadswordcalling wrote:
alive and awake wrote:
Is there only me concerned about the fact that the firemen do work on the side, avoid paying tax and take jobs from honest artisans? If this is acceptable, then it is totally unacceptable to criticise Bankers.
According to the Office for National Statistics, more than a million people in the UK have a second job. Organisations like People Per Hour have seen dramatic rises in the number of people seeking second jobs. People Per Hour say it is their fastest growing sector and that it has doubled between 2012 and 2013.

So you're stating as fact that all firefighters have a second job and all of them avoid paying tax.

Could you reference your source, or is this just urban myth?
I am not so stupid to say ALL of anything applies. I am saying Firemen have for years done work on the side. Not a second job in most cases but a primary job. The fire service was a means to get well paid and plenty of rest time. It wasn't so long since all the main stations had clubhouses with a bar and snooker rooms. I know what I am talking about I've been there.
I have lost count of the number of firemen who have built house for profit on their days off, or in many cases whilst on the sick.
I will ask again, why do the Unions condone this?
[quote][p][bold]Broadswordcalling[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]alive and awake[/bold] wrote: Is there only me concerned about the fact that the firemen do work on the side, avoid paying tax and take jobs from honest artisans? If this is acceptable, then it is totally unacceptable to criticise Bankers.[/p][/quote]According to the Office for National Statistics, more than a million people in the UK have a second job. Organisations like People Per Hour have seen dramatic rises in the number of people seeking second jobs. People Per Hour say it is their fastest growing sector and that it has doubled between 2012 and 2013. So you're stating as fact that all firefighters have a second job and all of them avoid paying tax. Could you reference your source, or is this just urban myth?[/p][/quote]I am not so stupid to say ALL of anything applies. I am saying Firemen have for years done work on the side. Not a second job in most cases but a primary job. The fire service was a means to get well paid and plenty of rest time. It wasn't so long since all the main stations had clubhouses with a bar and snooker rooms. I know what I am talking about I've been there. I have lost count of the number of firemen who have built house for profit on their days off, or in many cases whilst on the sick. I will ask again, why do the Unions condone this? alive and awake
  • Score: 0

4:26pm Fri 18 Jul 14

Broadswordcalling says...

alive and awake says...
I am not so stupid to say ALL of anything applies. I am saying Firemen have for years done work on the side. Not a second job in most cases but a primary job. The fire service was a means to get well paid and plenty of rest time. It wasn't so long since all the main stations had clubhouses with a bar and snooker rooms. I know what I am talking about I've been there.
I have lost count of the number of firemen who have built house for profit on their days off, or in many cases whilst on the sick.
I will ask again, why do the Unions condone this?

No bars on stations for well over 20 years, yet many other organisations have social clubs bars etc. What that has to do with the firefighters dispute is anyone's guess.

If someone builds a house in their OWN time and make a profit good luck to them. I'm sue many have done it and not all were firefighters.

If however there were (according to you) many cases of them being sick whilst working on them you should have reported the fact to their employer.
alive and awake says... I am not so stupid to say ALL of anything applies. I am saying Firemen have for years done work on the side. Not a second job in most cases but a primary job. The fire service was a means to get well paid and plenty of rest time. It wasn't so long since all the main stations had clubhouses with a bar and snooker rooms. I know what I am talking about I've been there. I have lost count of the number of firemen who have built house for profit on their days off, or in many cases whilst on the sick. I will ask again, why do the Unions condone this? No bars on stations for well over 20 years, yet many other organisations have social clubs bars etc. What that has to do with the firefighters dispute is anyone's guess. If someone builds a house in their OWN time and make a profit good luck to them. I'm sue many have done it and not all were firefighters. If however there were (according to you) many cases of them being sick whilst working on them you should have reported the fact to their employer. Broadswordcalling
  • Score: -3

4:33pm Fri 18 Jul 14

MarkPullen says...

alive and awake wrote:
Is there only me concerned about the fact that the firemen do work on the side, avoid paying tax and take jobs from honest artisans? If this is acceptable, then it is totally unacceptable to criticise Bankers.
And your evidence is?........

Also, does anybody else undertake such work that you attribute to firefighters?
[quote][p][bold]alive and awake[/bold] wrote: Is there only me concerned about the fact that the firemen do work on the side, avoid paying tax and take jobs from honest artisans? If this is acceptable, then it is totally unacceptable to criticise Bankers.[/p][/quote]And your evidence is?........ Also, does anybody else undertake such work that you attribute to firefighters? MarkPullen
  • Score: -3

4:34pm Fri 18 Jul 14

Andy2010 says...

Broadswordcalling wrote:
Andy2010 says...
"Most people dont have time for a second job at all yet firefighters because of their generous working arrangements do."

Well apparently over a million have time according to Office for National Statistics.
Must all be firefighters using your flawed reasoning.
No not at all.

Most of them will be cleaners etc on minimum wages working at most 15 hours a week to make up their wage.

I guarantee you will not find hardly any people on a firefighters wage working second jobs simply due to the time their main job takes
[quote][p][bold]Broadswordcalling[/bold] wrote: Andy2010 says... "Most people dont have time for a second job at all yet firefighters because of their generous working arrangements do." Well apparently over a million have time according to Office for National Statistics. Must all be firefighters using your flawed reasoning.[/p][/quote]No not at all. Most of them will be cleaners etc on minimum wages working at most 15 hours a week to make up their wage. I guarantee you will not find hardly any people on a firefighters wage working second jobs simply due to the time their main job takes Andy2010
  • Score: 3

4:35pm Fri 18 Jul 14

MarkPullen says...

alive and awake wrote:
Broadswordcalling wrote:
alive and awake wrote:
Is there only me concerned about the fact that the firemen do work on the side, avoid paying tax and take jobs from honest artisans? If this is acceptable, then it is totally unacceptable to criticise Bankers.
According to the Office for National Statistics, more than a million people in the UK have a second job. Organisations like People Per Hour have seen dramatic rises in the number of people seeking second jobs. People Per Hour say it is their fastest growing sector and that it has doubled between 2012 and 2013.

So you're stating as fact that all firefighters have a second job and all of them avoid paying tax.

Could you reference your source, or is this just urban myth?
I am not so stupid to say ALL of anything applies. I am saying Firemen have for years done work on the side. Not a second job in most cases but a primary job. The fire service was a means to get well paid and plenty of rest time. It wasn't so long since all the main stations had clubhouses with a bar and snooker rooms. I know what I am talking about I've been there.
I have lost count of the number of firemen who have built house for profit on their days off, or in many cases whilst on the sick.
I will ask again, why do the Unions condone this?
Spot the numpty ..... we've found him!
[quote][p][bold]alive and awake[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Broadswordcalling[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]alive and awake[/bold] wrote: Is there only me concerned about the fact that the firemen do work on the side, avoid paying tax and take jobs from honest artisans? If this is acceptable, then it is totally unacceptable to criticise Bankers.[/p][/quote]According to the Office for National Statistics, more than a million people in the UK have a second job. Organisations like People Per Hour have seen dramatic rises in the number of people seeking second jobs. People Per Hour say it is their fastest growing sector and that it has doubled between 2012 and 2013. So you're stating as fact that all firefighters have a second job and all of them avoid paying tax. Could you reference your source, or is this just urban myth?[/p][/quote]I am not so stupid to say ALL of anything applies. I am saying Firemen have for years done work on the side. Not a second job in most cases but a primary job. The fire service was a means to get well paid and plenty of rest time. It wasn't so long since all the main stations had clubhouses with a bar and snooker rooms. I know what I am talking about I've been there. I have lost count of the number of firemen who have built house for profit on their days off, or in many cases whilst on the sick. I will ask again, why do the Unions condone this?[/p][/quote]Spot the numpty ..... we've found him! MarkPullen
  • Score: -4

4:43pm Fri 18 Jul 14

Broadswordcalling says...

Andy2010 wrote:
Broadswordcalling wrote:
Andy2010 says...
"Most people dont have time for a second job at all yet firefighters because of their generous working arrangements do."

Well apparently over a million have time according to Office for National Statistics.
Must all be firefighters using your flawed reasoning.
No not at all.

Most of them will be cleaners etc on minimum wages working at most 15 hours a week to make up their wage.

I guarantee you will not find hardly any people on a firefighters wage working second jobs simply due to the time their main job takes
What percentage do you think have a second job?

Why do they need to have a second job?
[quote][p][bold]Andy2010[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Broadswordcalling[/bold] wrote: Andy2010 says... "Most people dont have time for a second job at all yet firefighters because of their generous working arrangements do." Well apparently over a million have time according to Office for National Statistics. Must all be firefighters using your flawed reasoning.[/p][/quote]No not at all. Most of them will be cleaners etc on minimum wages working at most 15 hours a week to make up their wage. I guarantee you will not find hardly any people on a firefighters wage working second jobs simply due to the time their main job takes[/p][/quote]What percentage do you think have a second job? Why do they need to have a second job? Broadswordcalling
  • Score: -1

4:51pm Fri 18 Jul 14

alive and awake says...

Broadswordcalling wrote:
Andy2010 wrote:
Broadswordcalling wrote: Andy2010 says... "Most people dont have time for a second job at all yet firefighters because of their generous working arrangements do." Well apparently over a million have time according to Office for National Statistics. Must all be firefighters using your flawed reasoning.
No not at all. Most of them will be cleaners etc on minimum wages working at most 15 hours a week to make up their wage. I guarantee you will not find hardly any people on a firefighters wage working second jobs simply due to the time their main job takes
What percentage do you think have a second job? Why do they need to have a second job?
I was wondering when someone would ask that. The fact that the job of a Fireman is so less demanding than most jobs (most of the time) leaves them all the energy required to be GREEDY and that is the top and bottom of it.
[quote][p][bold]Broadswordcalling[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Andy2010[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Broadswordcalling[/bold] wrote: Andy2010 says... "Most people dont have time for a second job at all yet firefighters because of their generous working arrangements do." Well apparently over a million have time according to Office for National Statistics. Must all be firefighters using your flawed reasoning.[/p][/quote]No not at all. Most of them will be cleaners etc on minimum wages working at most 15 hours a week to make up their wage. I guarantee you will not find hardly any people on a firefighters wage working second jobs simply due to the time their main job takes[/p][/quote]What percentage do you think have a second job? Why do they need to have a second job?[/p][/quote]I was wondering when someone would ask that. The fact that the job of a Fireman is so less demanding than most jobs (most of the time) leaves them all the energy required to be GREEDY and that is the top and bottom of it. alive and awake
  • Score: 2

5:01pm Fri 18 Jul 14

MarkPullen says...

alive and awake wrote:
Broadswordcalling wrote:
Andy2010 wrote:
Broadswordcalling wrote: Andy2010 says... "Most people dont have time for a second job at all yet firefighters because of their generous working arrangements do." Well apparently over a million have time according to Office for National Statistics. Must all be firefighters using your flawed reasoning.
No not at all. Most of them will be cleaners etc on minimum wages working at most 15 hours a week to make up their wage. I guarantee you will not find hardly any people on a firefighters wage working second jobs simply due to the time their main job takes
What percentage do you think have a second job? Why do they need to have a second job?
I was wondering when someone would ask that. The fact that the job of a Fireman is so less demanding than most jobs (most of the time) leaves them all the energy required to be GREEDY and that is the top and bottom of it.
Hmmm....Your logic is absolutely amazing! Wow I'm impressed that with that result that comes with a total and complete lack of evidence.

So the city bankers who earn six figure incomes and don't have a second job are, by your logic, generous?

Also, let's all hear when and where you witnessed a bar in a fire station?

I can confirm that this used to be the case in the 1970-1980s but the only venues that I'm aware of still having one is at the training centres.

C'mon .... prove your statements or crawl back under your stone!
[quote][p][bold]alive and awake[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Broadswordcalling[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Andy2010[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Broadswordcalling[/bold] wrote: Andy2010 says... "Most people dont have time for a second job at all yet firefighters because of their generous working arrangements do." Well apparently over a million have time according to Office for National Statistics. Must all be firefighters using your flawed reasoning.[/p][/quote]No not at all. Most of them will be cleaners etc on minimum wages working at most 15 hours a week to make up their wage. I guarantee you will not find hardly any people on a firefighters wage working second jobs simply due to the time their main job takes[/p][/quote]What percentage do you think have a second job? Why do they need to have a second job?[/p][/quote]I was wondering when someone would ask that. The fact that the job of a Fireman is so less demanding than most jobs (most of the time) leaves them all the energy required to be GREEDY and that is the top and bottom of it.[/p][/quote]Hmmm....Your logic is absolutely amazing! Wow I'm impressed that with that result that comes with a total and complete lack of evidence. So the city bankers who earn six figure incomes and don't have a second job are, by your logic, generous? Also, let's all hear when and where you witnessed a bar in a fire station? I can confirm that this used to be the case in the 1970-1980s but the only venues that I'm aware of still having one is at the training centres. C'mon .... prove your statements or crawl back under your stone! MarkPullen
  • Score: 0

5:02pm Fri 18 Jul 14

Broadswordcalling says...

alive and awake says...
"I was wondering when someone would ask that. The fact that the job of a Fireman is so less demanding than most jobs (most of the time) leaves them all the energy required to be GREEDY and that is the top and bottom of it."

So according to you all firefighters have a second job, non pay tax on the second job, non need the additional income to support their families,
They have a second job because they are all greedy.

Thanks for your wisdom
alive and awake says... "I was wondering when someone would ask that. The fact that the job of a Fireman is so less demanding than most jobs (most of the time) leaves them all the energy required to be GREEDY and that is the top and bottom of it." So according to you all firefighters have a second job, non pay tax on the second job, non need the additional income to support their families, They have a second job because they are all greedy. Thanks for your wisdom Broadswordcalling
  • Score: -4

5:06pm Fri 18 Jul 14

Broadswordcalling says...

alive and awake says...
"I was wondering when someone would ask that. The fact that the job of a Fireman is so less demanding than most jobs (most of the time) leaves them all the energy required to be GREEDY and that is the top and bottom of it."

Oh by the way, just because you choose to write "fact" in front of an ill informed statement doesn't make it a fact.
alive and awake says... "I was wondering when someone would ask that. The fact that the job of a Fireman is so less demanding than most jobs (most of the time) leaves them all the energy required to be GREEDY and that is the top and bottom of it." Oh by the way, just because you choose to write "fact" in front of an ill informed statement doesn't make it a fact. Broadswordcalling
  • Score: -5

5:15pm Fri 18 Jul 14

jaded by numpties says...

I would like to ask Dave Williams what he now thinks about the contingency crews that rescued the boy from under the car this morning?
Meanwhile his own FBU website was posting pictures of nearby striking Fire-fighters posing as film stars outside their Fire Stations!!!
Dear oh dear; wannabe revolutionary. This is disgusting and a predictable PR own goal.
Answer please oh great one?
I would like to ask Dave Williams what he now thinks about the contingency crews that rescued the boy from under the car this morning? Meanwhile his own FBU website was posting pictures of nearby striking Fire-fighters posing as film stars outside their Fire Stations!!! Dear oh dear; wannabe revolutionary. This is disgusting and a predictable PR own goal. Answer please oh great one? jaded by numpties
  • Score: 1

5:22pm Fri 18 Jul 14

Broadswordcalling says...

jaded by numpties wrote:
I would like to ask Dave Williams what he now thinks about the contingency crews that rescued the boy from under the car this morning?
Meanwhile his own FBU website was posting pictures of nearby striking Fire-fighters posing as film stars outside their Fire Stations!!!
Dear oh dear; wannabe revolutionary. This is disgusting and a predictable PR own goal.
Answer please oh great one?
You should pay more attention to the news.

"Contingency crews from Idle, Bingley and Fairweather Green Fire Stations were called at 7.48am by West Yorkshire Ambulance to the junction of Harrogate Road, New Line and Leeds Road to reports of the child being trapped under a vehicle - but he was released prior to their arrival."
[quote][p][bold]jaded by numpties[/bold] wrote: I would like to ask Dave Williams what he now thinks about the contingency crews that rescued the boy from under the car this morning? Meanwhile his own FBU website was posting pictures of nearby striking Fire-fighters posing as film stars outside their Fire Stations!!! Dear oh dear; wannabe revolutionary. This is disgusting and a predictable PR own goal. Answer please oh great one?[/p][/quote]You should pay more attention to the news. "Contingency crews from Idle, Bingley and Fairweather Green Fire Stations were called at 7.48am by West Yorkshire Ambulance to the junction of Harrogate Road, New Line and Leeds Road to reports of the child being trapped under a vehicle - but he was released prior to their arrival." Broadswordcalling
  • Score: -3

6:07pm Fri 18 Jul 14

jaded by numpties says...

Broadswordcalling wrote:
jaded by numpties wrote:
I would like to ask Dave Williams what he now thinks about the contingency crews that rescued the boy from under the car this morning?
Meanwhile his own FBU website was posting pictures of nearby striking Fire-fighters posing as film stars outside their Fire Stations!!!
Dear oh dear; wannabe revolutionary. This is disgusting and a predictable PR own goal.
Answer please oh great one?
You should pay more attention to the news.

"Contingency crews from Idle, Bingley and Fairweather Green Fire Stations were called at 7.48am by West Yorkshire Ambulance to the junction of Harrogate Road, New Line and Leeds Road to reports of the child being trapped under a vehicle - but he was released prior to their arrival."
Your right; by a local man with a car jack because he knew FBU on strike!!
[quote][p][bold]Broadswordcalling[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]jaded by numpties[/bold] wrote: I would like to ask Dave Williams what he now thinks about the contingency crews that rescued the boy from under the car this morning? Meanwhile his own FBU website was posting pictures of nearby striking Fire-fighters posing as film stars outside their Fire Stations!!! Dear oh dear; wannabe revolutionary. This is disgusting and a predictable PR own goal. Answer please oh great one?[/p][/quote]You should pay more attention to the news. "Contingency crews from Idle, Bingley and Fairweather Green Fire Stations were called at 7.48am by West Yorkshire Ambulance to the junction of Harrogate Road, New Line and Leeds Road to reports of the child being trapped under a vehicle - but he was released prior to their arrival."[/p][/quote]Your right; by a local man with a car jack because he knew FBU on strike!! jaded by numpties
  • Score: 0

7:27pm Fri 18 Jul 14

Andy2010 says...

jaded by numpties wrote:
Broadswordcalling wrote:
jaded by numpties wrote:
I would like to ask Dave Williams what he now thinks about the contingency crews that rescued the boy from under the car this morning?
Meanwhile his own FBU website was posting pictures of nearby striking Fire-fighters posing as film stars outside their Fire Stations!!!
Dear oh dear; wannabe revolutionary. This is disgusting and a predictable PR own goal.
Answer please oh great one?
You should pay more attention to the news.

"Contingency crews from Idle, Bingley and Fairweather Green Fire Stations were called at 7.48am by West Yorkshire Ambulance to the junction of Harrogate Road, New Line and Leeds Road to reports of the child being trapped under a vehicle - but he was released prior to their arrival."
Your right; by a local man with a car jack because he knew FBU on strike!!
Thank god for that man. He deserves at least the firefighters salary for today

Its coming to something when the emergency services cannot be relied upon because they are on strike and the public have to step in
[quote][p][bold]jaded by numpties[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Broadswordcalling[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]jaded by numpties[/bold] wrote: I would like to ask Dave Williams what he now thinks about the contingency crews that rescued the boy from under the car this morning? Meanwhile his own FBU website was posting pictures of nearby striking Fire-fighters posing as film stars outside their Fire Stations!!! Dear oh dear; wannabe revolutionary. This is disgusting and a predictable PR own goal. Answer please oh great one?[/p][/quote]You should pay more attention to the news. "Contingency crews from Idle, Bingley and Fairweather Green Fire Stations were called at 7.48am by West Yorkshire Ambulance to the junction of Harrogate Road, New Line and Leeds Road to reports of the child being trapped under a vehicle - but he was released prior to their arrival."[/p][/quote]Your right; by a local man with a car jack because he knew FBU on strike!![/p][/quote]Thank god for that man. He deserves at least the firefighters salary for today Its coming to something when the emergency services cannot be relied upon because they are on strike and the public have to step in Andy2010
  • Score: 5

9:19am Sat 19 Jul 14

alive and awake says...

MarkPullen wrote:
alive and awake wrote:
Broadswordcalling wrote:
Andy2010 wrote:
Broadswordcalling wrote: Andy2010 says... "Most people dont have time for a second job at all yet firefighters because of their generous working arrangements do." Well apparently over a million have time according to Office for National Statistics. Must all be firefighters using your flawed reasoning.
No not at all. Most of them will be cleaners etc on minimum wages working at most 15 hours a week to make up their wage. I guarantee you will not find hardly any people on a firefighters wage working second jobs simply due to the time their main job takes
What percentage do you think have a second job? Why do they need to have a second job?
I was wondering when someone would ask that. The fact that the job of a Fireman is so less demanding than most jobs (most of the time) leaves them all the energy required to be GREEDY and that is the top and bottom of it.
Hmmm....Your logic is absolutely amazing! Wow I'm impressed that with that result that comes with a total and complete lack of evidence. So the city bankers who earn six figure incomes and don't have a second job are, by your logic, generous? Also, let's all hear when and where you witnessed a bar in a fire station? I can confirm that this used to be the case in the 1970-1980s but the only venues that I'm aware of still having one is at the training centres. C'mon .... prove your statements or crawl back under your stone!
Well you have just proved my point.

Privatise now, there will never be a better time.
everyone is sick of the Unions.
[quote][p][bold]MarkPullen[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]alive and awake[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Broadswordcalling[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Andy2010[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Broadswordcalling[/bold] wrote: Andy2010 says... "Most people dont have time for a second job at all yet firefighters because of their generous working arrangements do." Well apparently over a million have time according to Office for National Statistics. Must all be firefighters using your flawed reasoning.[/p][/quote]No not at all. Most of them will be cleaners etc on minimum wages working at most 15 hours a week to make up their wage. I guarantee you will not find hardly any people on a firefighters wage working second jobs simply due to the time their main job takes[/p][/quote]What percentage do you think have a second job? Why do they need to have a second job?[/p][/quote]I was wondering when someone would ask that. The fact that the job of a Fireman is so less demanding than most jobs (most of the time) leaves them all the energy required to be GREEDY and that is the top and bottom of it.[/p][/quote]Hmmm....Your logic is absolutely amazing! Wow I'm impressed that with that result that comes with a total and complete lack of evidence. So the city bankers who earn six figure incomes and don't have a second job are, by your logic, generous? Also, let's all hear when and where you witnessed a bar in a fire station? I can confirm that this used to be the case in the 1970-1980s but the only venues that I'm aware of still having one is at the training centres. C'mon .... prove your statements or crawl back under your stone![/p][/quote]Well you have just proved my point. Privatise now, there will never be a better time. everyone is sick of the Unions. alive and awake
  • Score: 2

2:42am Mon 21 Jul 14

Mr Perks says...

After reading a lot of the comments on this story, I despair. I wonder who all of these: 'I'm all right jack', 'shut up and do your job, despite getting screwed over by the govt' people are? This country is becoming/has become a nasty little right wing enclave, with everybody out for themselves. No compassion, no understanding, just greed and self interest. I hope you're all satisfied when the future generations are forced to live in a society like the 1930's, where those with cash and/or privilege thrive and the rest fight each other for the scraps that are left over. I think Marx was right when he spoke about 'false consciousness'. All you 'Little Englanders' have swallowed the media's prevailing narrative 'hook, line and sinker. Ask your self: who caused this financial deficit and then examine who's being blamed for it and who's having to do all the 'heavy lifting' in this time of supposed 'austerity'? Unless you are quite well off, you are all fools unto yourselves. I hope you come to realise what's happening when the education system for the majority is second rate. The NHS is privatised and rationed for all except those who can pay for it. The rest of the public services, like the Fire service, is slashed so far that it fails to cover all the people all the time. Let's hope your house is never on fire, your loved ones never need an urgent operation and your child isn't falling far behind because of huge class sizes.
After reading a lot of the comments on this story, I despair. I wonder who all of these: 'I'm all right jack', 'shut up and do your job, despite getting screwed over by the govt' people are? This country is becoming/has become a nasty little right wing enclave, with everybody out for themselves. No compassion, no understanding, just greed and self interest. I hope you're all satisfied when the future generations are forced to live in a society like the 1930's, where those with cash and/or privilege thrive and the rest fight each other for the scraps that are left over. I think Marx was right when he spoke about 'false consciousness'. All you 'Little Englanders' have swallowed the media's prevailing narrative 'hook, line and sinker. Ask your self: who caused this financial deficit and then examine who's being blamed for it and who's having to do all the 'heavy lifting' in this time of supposed 'austerity'? Unless you are quite well off, you are all fools unto yourselves. I hope you come to realise what's happening when the education system for the majority is second rate. The NHS is privatised and rationed for all except those who can pay for it. The rest of the public services, like the Fire service, is slashed so far that it fails to cover all the people all the time. Let's hope your house is never on fire, your loved ones never need an urgent operation and your child isn't falling far behind because of huge class sizes. Mr Perks
  • Score: -2

12:44pm Tue 22 Jul 14

Andy2010 says...

Mr Perks wrote:
After reading a lot of the comments on this story, I despair. I wonder who all of these: 'I'm all right jack', 'shut up and do your job, despite getting screwed over by the govt' people are? This country is becoming/has become a nasty little right wing enclave, with everybody out for themselves. No compassion, no understanding, just greed and self interest. I hope you're all satisfied when the future generations are forced to live in a society like the 1930's, where those with cash and/or privilege thrive and the rest fight each other for the scraps that are left over. I think Marx was right when he spoke about 'false consciousness'. All you 'Little Englanders' have swallowed the media's prevailing narrative 'hook, line and sinker. Ask your self: who caused this financial deficit and then examine who's being blamed for it and who's having to do all the 'heavy lifting' in this time of supposed 'austerity'? Unless you are quite well off, you are all fools unto yourselves. I hope you come to realise what's happening when the education system for the majority is second rate. The NHS is privatised and rationed for all except those who can pay for it. The rest of the public services, like the Fire service, is slashed so far that it fails to cover all the people all the time. Let's hope your house is never on fire, your loved ones never need an urgent operation and your child isn't falling far behind because of huge class sizes.
lol....drama queen
[quote][p][bold]Mr Perks[/bold] wrote: After reading a lot of the comments on this story, I despair. I wonder who all of these: 'I'm all right jack', 'shut up and do your job, despite getting screwed over by the govt' people are? This country is becoming/has become a nasty little right wing enclave, with everybody out for themselves. No compassion, no understanding, just greed and self interest. I hope you're all satisfied when the future generations are forced to live in a society like the 1930's, where those with cash and/or privilege thrive and the rest fight each other for the scraps that are left over. I think Marx was right when he spoke about 'false consciousness'. All you 'Little Englanders' have swallowed the media's prevailing narrative 'hook, line and sinker. Ask your self: who caused this financial deficit and then examine who's being blamed for it and who's having to do all the 'heavy lifting' in this time of supposed 'austerity'? Unless you are quite well off, you are all fools unto yourselves. I hope you come to realise what's happening when the education system for the majority is second rate. The NHS is privatised and rationed for all except those who can pay for it. The rest of the public services, like the Fire service, is slashed so far that it fails to cover all the people all the time. Let's hope your house is never on fire, your loved ones never need an urgent operation and your child isn't falling far behind because of huge class sizes.[/p][/quote]lol....drama queen Andy2010
  • Score: -2

1:27pm Tue 22 Jul 14

jjason1980 says...

It's disgusting that a fire engine that moved from Keighley to Haworth would leave Keighley without one? What if there were 2 fires. Would it be disgusting that some irresponsible idiot created another fire knowing full well there weren't enough fire engines? What if there were 5 fires? Now that's disgusting. The answer is simple, we need 20 fire engines. Probably. Or 21 in case there's another idiot.
It's disgusting that a fire engine that moved from Keighley to Haworth would leave Keighley without one? What if there were 2 fires. Would it be disgusting that some irresponsible idiot created another fire knowing full well there weren't enough fire engines? What if there were 5 fires? Now that's disgusting. The answer is simple, we need 20 fire engines. Probably. Or 21 in case there's another idiot. jjason1980
  • Score: -1

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