Emergency inspections take place at two Bradford schools as part of 'Trojan Horse' probe

Bradford Telegraph and Argus: QUESTIONS: Bradford East MP David Ward, who was among MPs who quizzed Ofsted chief Sir Michael Wilshaw QUESTIONS: Bradford East MP David Ward, who was among MPs who quizzed Ofsted chief Sir Michael Wilshaw

INSPECTORS have made “emergency” visits to two more Bradford schools in the wake of the ‘Trojan Horse’ controversy, it has been revealed.

Watchdog Ofsted swooped on Carlton Bolling College and Feversham College, after “concerns” were raised following an alleged plot to impose a religious agenda on schools in Birmingham.

Yesterday, Ofsted chief Sir Michael Wilshaw told MPs that tougher scrutiny might be required to stop governors attempting to run schools, in the way exposed in Birmingham.

And he said: “We are looking at other schools where this might be happening. We've certainly been to schools in Bradford and Luton.”

In May, Ofsted published a damning report into the running of Laisterdyke Business and Enterprise College, where the governors were replaced with an Interim Executive Board.

However, it made no criticism related to religion – and claims of any ‘Trojan Horse-style’ plot were dismissed by governors and Bradford Council leaders as wild exaggerations.

Now Ofsted has also carried out a snap inspection at Carlton Bolling College, Undercliffe, where chairman of governors is Bradford councillor Faisal Khan – formerly a governor at Laisterdyke.

Last year, Cllr Khan - formerly of Respect and now an independent - took senior staff at Carlton Bolling to visit Birmingham's Park View school, which was strongly criticised in the ‘Trojan Horse’ inquiry.

A video emerged which showed the Bradford Moor councillor talking about removing head teachers from schools.

However, Cllr Khan strongly denied any attempts to 'Islamise' schools, through his organisation the Bradford Muslim Education Forum, insisting he simply wanted to raise standards.

The motive for the Park View visit had been to see how a school with pupils from similar backgrounds had made big improvements, where he knew the chairman of governors.

Last night, Cllr Khan said the school's governors had a copy of the Ofsted inspectors' draft report.

"We had to ask for it which was unusual but I don't want to say anything about its contents yet," he said.

An Ofsted spokesman told the Telegraph & Argus that the inspectors’ report into Carlton Bolling would be published before the end of term, later this month.

Meanwhile, the Feversham College report was published this week and delivers a positive verdict – with one exception.

The inspectors praise the 664-pupil school – formerly the independent Bradford Muslim Girls Community School – for its “high ambitions” and “consistently high achievement over time”.

They conclude:

* Pupils are “prepared for life in modern Britain through their citizenship and guidance lessons”.

* There is “regular involvement of the local police and other agencies to develop the students’ understanding of risk and to promote safety”.

* The school “implements the Prevent programme” – to guard against extremism - and follows best practice.

* School leaders are “aware of risks such as forced marriage and female genital mutilation and provide sensitive and appropriate information and guidance”.

* E-safety is “given a high profile” and all forms of bullying are discussed”.

However, Ofsted does draw attention to the school’s policy of hiring female staff only, noting that the Department for Education (DfE) is investigating it.

And it says a priority must be to “increase opportunities for the broadest range of positive role models, including men and male governors, to be part of students’ learning”.

All students at Feversham are from minority ethnic backgrounds, with 87 per cent of Pakistani heritage.

David Ward, the Bradford East MP, was among MPs who quizzed Sir Michael yesterday as a member of the Commons education select committee.

The Liberal Democrat echoed Councillor Ralph Berry, Bradford Council's executive member for schools, in arguing that comparisons with Birmingham were overblown.

Mr Ward said the Ofsted chief spent most of the two-hour session talking in detail about the Birmingham controversy, only touching briefly on Bradford and other areas.

He added: “I don’t think he regards us as being on the same level of seriousness as Birmingham – he has definitely not devoted as much time to Bradford.”

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10:52pm Wed 9 Jul 14

Meerkat33 says...

Bit late off the mark T&A, this was reported on Daily Mail site at linchtime Wednesday!
Bit late off the mark T&A, this was reported on Daily Mail site at linchtime Wednesday! Meerkat33
  • Score: 5

10:54pm Wed 9 Jul 14

Meerkat33 says...

*lunch time
*lunch time Meerkat33
  • Score: 6

6:11am Thu 10 Jul 14

Albion. says...

Sadly the shape of things to come, education and politics in Bradford all have hidden agenda.
Sadly the shape of things to come, education and politics in Bradford all have hidden agenda. Albion.
  • Score: 9

8:00am Thu 10 Jul 14

Saltaire Bantam says...

'it made no criticism related to religion' what utter rubbish. The inspectors are absolutely terrified and they are fearing for their jobs, mortgages and their pensions.
'it made no criticism related to religion' what utter rubbish. The inspectors are absolutely terrified and they are fearing for their jobs, mortgages and their pensions. Saltaire Bantam
  • Score: 6

8:28am Thu 10 Jul 14

SinnerSaint says...

Strangely enough, Luton is a massive hole of a place too.
Strangely enough, Luton is a massive hole of a place too. SinnerSaint
  • Score: 0

8:32am Thu 10 Jul 14

piltdownman says...

The inspectors are wilfully missing the point. Muslims would be failing in their religious duty if they did not try to Islamise the schools they control. We must therefore assume, that however well hidden it is, this is what is going on.
The inspectors are wilfully missing the point. Muslims would be failing in their religious duty if they did not try to Islamise the schools they control. We must therefore assume, that however well hidden it is, this is what is going on. piltdownman
  • Score: 12

8:41am Thu 10 Jul 14

JAtkinson says...

It seems strange that the government sits idly by when it is Bradford kids' underachievement, poor performance and lack of skills, but as soon as there is the slightest (and, it appears, erroneous) whiff of Islamisation, the whole show comes to town.

Perhaps the government would do well to look at the educational backgrounds and successes of the majority (not the recently well publicised British Asians going to Syria) of those involved in terrorism; they will see that the majority have had little or poor education... and then might decide to do something to improve education in Bradford. When London's kids underachieved, the Prime Minister described it as "an emergency"; if this isn't an emergency, I don't know what it is. It is, however, an emergency in north, so Bradford's kids will continue to fail.
It seems strange that the government sits idly by when it is Bradford kids' underachievement, poor performance and lack of skills, but as soon as there is the slightest (and, it appears, erroneous) whiff of Islamisation, the whole show comes to town. Perhaps the government would do well to look at the educational backgrounds and successes of the majority (not the recently well publicised British Asians going to Syria) of those involved in terrorism; they will see that the majority have had little or poor education... and then might decide to do something to improve education in Bradford. When London's kids underachieved, the Prime Minister described it as "an emergency"; if this isn't an emergency, I don't know what it is. It is, however, an emergency in north, so Bradford's kids will continue to fail. JAtkinson
  • Score: 4

8:44am Thu 10 Jul 14

izzystillbreathing says...

The recent study (by Lambeth Council) showed that white working class children are being marginalised and ignored at school after being forced to follow a multicultural timetable that ignores British traditions. It is time the Council used its powers and imposed some Britishness in the curricula of Bradford schools but they won’t for fear of the Community.
The recent study (by Lambeth Council) showed that white working class children are being marginalised and ignored at school after being forced to follow a multicultural timetable that ignores British traditions. It is time the Council used its powers and imposed some Britishness in the curricula of Bradford schools but they won’t for fear of the Community. izzystillbreathing
  • Score: 19

9:05am Thu 10 Jul 14

K.Y.E. says...

If you look at the number of Muslim schools within the number of faith schools in the UK, you see that Muslims are grossly under-represented with only 140 schools throughout the UK. That is a meagre number when 5% of the population are Muslim.

The "Trojan Horse" letter was a fake, but it is possible that in some schools, parents and governers are trying to bring Islam into their school after their applications to create a faith school are turned down. I'm unsure of what the problem is really, apart from an media-led panic whenever the "M" word is used.
If you look at the number of Muslim schools within the number of faith schools in the UK, you see that Muslims are grossly under-represented with only 140 schools throughout the UK. That is a meagre number when 5% of the population are Muslim. The "Trojan Horse" letter was a fake, but it is possible that in some schools, parents and governers are trying to bring Islam into their school after their applications to create a faith school are turned down. I'm unsure of what the problem is really, apart from an media-led panic whenever the "M" word is used. K.Y.E.
  • Score: 3

9:21am Thu 10 Jul 14

Saltaire Bantam says...

I bet the T&A deletes this comments section before tomorrow. They don't like freedom of speech.
I bet the T&A deletes this comments section before tomorrow. They don't like freedom of speech. Saltaire Bantam
  • Score: 5

9:49am Thu 10 Jul 14

Apollo says...

Saltaire Bantam wrote:
I bet the T&A deletes this comments section before tomorrow. They don't like freedom of speech.
Indeed not. I see the comments on travellers camping on a war memorial soon disappeared.

Gutless.
[quote][p][bold]Saltaire Bantam[/bold] wrote: I bet the T&A deletes this comments section before tomorrow. They don't like freedom of speech.[/p][/quote]Indeed not. I see the comments on travellers camping on a war memorial soon disappeared. Gutless. Apollo
  • Score: 21

10:39am Thu 10 Jul 14

BaildonGuy says...

Apollo wrote:
Saltaire Bantam wrote:
I bet the T&A deletes this comments section before tomorrow. They don't like freedom of speech.
Indeed not. I see the comments on travellers camping on a war memorial soon disappeared.

Gutless.
The travellers have just turned up on the Councils so called High Tech R&D Park at Buck Lane. The 'security' delayed them for less than a minute.
[quote][p][bold]Apollo[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Saltaire Bantam[/bold] wrote: I bet the T&A deletes this comments section before tomorrow. They don't like freedom of speech.[/p][/quote]Indeed not. I see the comments on travellers camping on a war memorial soon disappeared. Gutless.[/p][/quote]The travellers have just turned up on the Councils so called High Tech R&D Park at Buck Lane. The 'security' delayed them for less than a minute. BaildonGuy
  • Score: 15

11:10am Thu 10 Jul 14

Albion. says...

JAtkinson wrote:
It seems strange that the government sits idly by when it is Bradford kids' underachievement, poor performance and lack of skills, but as soon as there is the slightest (and, it appears, erroneous) whiff of Islamisation, the whole show comes to town.

Perhaps the government would do well to look at the educational backgrounds and successes of the majority (not the recently well publicised British Asians going to Syria) of those involved in terrorism; they will see that the majority have had little or poor education... and then might decide to do something to improve education in Bradford. When London's kids underachieved, the Prime Minister described it as "an emergency"; if this isn't an emergency, I don't know what it is. It is, however, an emergency in north, so Bradford's kids will continue to fail.
They will have had plenty of education outside of the mainstream.
[quote][p][bold]JAtkinson[/bold] wrote: It seems strange that the government sits idly by when it is Bradford kids' underachievement, poor performance and lack of skills, but as soon as there is the slightest (and, it appears, erroneous) whiff of Islamisation, the whole show comes to town. Perhaps the government would do well to look at the educational backgrounds and successes of the majority (not the recently well publicised British Asians going to Syria) of those involved in terrorism; they will see that the majority have had little or poor education... and then might decide to do something to improve education in Bradford. When London's kids underachieved, the Prime Minister described it as "an emergency"; if this isn't an emergency, I don't know what it is. It is, however, an emergency in north, so Bradford's kids will continue to fail.[/p][/quote]They will have had plenty of education outside of the mainstream. Albion.
  • Score: 0

1:37pm Thu 10 Jul 14

Born on the 5th December says...

I am of Pakistani heritage and a pretty strict Muslim in terms of my beliefs (I pray and fast etc) but I don't wear a scarf. I went to an absolute joke of an upper school, then onto a pretty rubbish college and then a below average uni. However despite all odds, I just recently managed to get a prestigious job in one of the poshest districts in southern England and will now thankfully be moving out of the inner city slum of Bradford. So really it is all about what you make of the opportunities you have been given and working hard to get ahead. I don't share the pessimism and racism that engulfs so many people in Bradford, I don't think all English people are alcoholics and English people shouldn't see all Muslims as terrorists. Some of us know how to strike the balance and integrate whilst holding onto our beliefs and cultures - fair enough the Mirpuri population of Bradford are in the most part a bit of a disgrace in terms of intergrating but I suppose one could say the same about Brits in Benidorm - so you should view each person as an individual and not jump on 'let's blame Muslims because I have a rubbish life' bandwagon. There are good and bad people everywhere and if you listen to the media and believe everything they tell you about Muslims then I feel sorry for you. I feel sorry that you haven't experienced true Islam - if you can't find it in Bradford, then go to other Muslim cities like Istanbul or Marrakech, you will definitely meet some lovely, warm and generous Muslims. Having said that I don't blame people in Bradford for being so downhearted all the time - especially the older generation because they have seen a once great and beautiful city turn into a slum and we all know the reason - but trust me it has nothing to do with Islam and everything to do with people from a certain region in a developing 3rd world country just not having any taste and a care for the environment.
I am of Pakistani heritage and a pretty strict Muslim in terms of my beliefs (I pray and fast etc) but I don't wear a scarf. I went to an absolute joke of an upper school, then onto a pretty rubbish college and then a below average uni. However despite all odds, I just recently managed to get a prestigious job in one of the poshest districts in southern England and will now thankfully be moving out of the inner city slum of Bradford. So really it is all about what you make of the opportunities you have been given and working hard to get ahead. I don't share the pessimism and racism that engulfs so many people in Bradford, I don't think all English people are alcoholics and English people shouldn't see all Muslims as terrorists. Some of us know how to strike the balance and integrate whilst holding onto our beliefs and cultures - fair enough the Mirpuri population of Bradford are in the most part a bit of a disgrace in terms of intergrating but I suppose one could say the same about Brits in Benidorm - so you should view each person as an individual and not jump on 'let's blame Muslims because I have a rubbish life' bandwagon. There are good and bad people everywhere and if you listen to the media and believe everything they tell you about Muslims then I feel sorry for you. I feel sorry that you haven't experienced true Islam - if you can't find it in Bradford, then go to other Muslim cities like Istanbul or Marrakech, you will definitely meet some lovely, warm and generous Muslims. Having said that I don't blame people in Bradford for being so downhearted all the time - especially the older generation because they have seen a once great and beautiful city turn into a slum and we all know the reason - but trust me it has nothing to do with Islam and everything to do with people from a certain region in a developing 3rd world country just not having any taste and a care for the environment. Born on the 5th December
  • Score: 23

1:55pm Thu 10 Jul 14

basil fawlty says...

The fact that the school only hires female staff is a disgrace and tells us a lot about the beliefs of those running the school.
The fact that the school only hires female staff is a disgrace and tells us a lot about the beliefs of those running the school. basil fawlty
  • Score: 1

2:28pm Thu 10 Jul 14

Born on the 5th December says...

basil fawlty wrote:
The fact that the school only hires female staff is a disgrace and tells us a lot about the beliefs of those running the school.
Why is it a disgrace? And what exactly does it tell you about the beliefs of those running the school? If the parents of this faith school don't mind that their daughters are not exposed to 'a positive male role model' at school then why should anyone else care? Also who is to say that the hypothetical said male in school is a positive role model and that they don't have enough positive male role models in their private life? With the amount of teachers crossing boundaries and abusing/having affairs with their pupils - is it a wonder that some parents feel their daughters would be safer with women as opposed to men? Back to the main point - who cares and not our problem. Much bigger things going on in Bradford than all female schools - the drug dealing, quad bikes, speeding cars, littering and fly tipping and don't get me started on the planning offences that the fully Labour Council allow ...need I go on?! Much more important to me....
[quote][p][bold]basil fawlty[/bold] wrote: The fact that the school only hires female staff is a disgrace and tells us a lot about the beliefs of those running the school.[/p][/quote]Why is it a disgrace? And what exactly does it tell you about the beliefs of those running the school? If the parents of this faith school don't mind that their daughters are not exposed to 'a positive male role model' at school then why should anyone else care? Also who is to say that the hypothetical said male in school is a positive role model and that they don't have enough positive male role models in their private life? With the amount of teachers crossing boundaries and abusing/having affairs with their pupils - is it a wonder that some parents feel their daughters would be safer with women as opposed to men? Back to the main point - who cares and not our problem. Much bigger things going on in Bradford than all female schools - the drug dealing, quad bikes, speeding cars, littering and fly tipping and don't get me started on the planning offences that the fully Labour Council allow ...need I go on?! Much more important to me.... Born on the 5th December
  • Score: 9

4:00pm Thu 10 Jul 14

They only do damage! says...

The people who adopt this islamification, have no tolerance for our way of life. We can be sure, that in each day of there life, they look at us with disdain and hatred. You now know this, so how can we talk about racism against them, when the none muslims who have lived amongs them in Bradford have known this, and been demonised for years, but they were the first to find out of there intolerence. It clearly isn't all muslims, but you can be sure its more than a few.
The people who adopt this islamification, have no tolerance for our way of life. We can be sure, that in each day of there life, they look at us with disdain and hatred. You now know this, so how can we talk about racism against them, when the none muslims who have lived amongs them in Bradford have known this, and been demonised for years, but they were the first to find out of there intolerence. It clearly isn't all muslims, but you can be sure its more than a few. They only do damage!
  • Score: 10

5:17pm Thu 10 Jul 14

Born on the 5th December says...

They only do damage! wrote:
The people who adopt this islamification, have no tolerance for our way of life. We can be sure, that in each day of there life, they look at us with disdain and hatred. You now know this, so how can we talk about racism against them, when the none muslims who have lived amongs them in Bradford have known this, and been demonised for years, but they were the first to find out of there intolerence. It clearly isn't all muslims, but you can be sure its more than a few.
I don't think that is true entirely - people who follow a real Islamic way of life are very tolerant because Islam tells us to always respect the culture and traditions of the country we are living in. The problem is that Bradford is full of people from the Mirpur district of Pakistan (or Kashmir to to precise) and they as a people in general are very lazy, chavvy and uneducated and many (not all) are very ungrateful for the opportunities they have been given in the UK. They are greedy little grabbers who take take take and give nothing back - like the chavs of any country...even worse they think because there's so many of them now that they are the indigineous population and that whites are the minority and because they live here/happened to be born here they actually have a God-given right to do as they please - and of course there's more than a few - Bradford's full of them! So again it is not Muslims - its Mirpuris who happen to be Muslims - that's like me always saying atheists or Catholics when I am in fact talking about the people of Manchester in England for example. Flipping heck is it that so hard for T&A readers to understand?!
[quote][p][bold]They only do damage![/bold] wrote: The people who adopt this islamification, have no tolerance for our way of life. We can be sure, that in each day of there life, they look at us with disdain and hatred. You now know this, so how can we talk about racism against them, when the none muslims who have lived amongs them in Bradford have known this, and been demonised for years, but they were the first to find out of there intolerence. It clearly isn't all muslims, but you can be sure its more than a few.[/p][/quote]I don't think that is true entirely - people who follow a real Islamic way of life are very tolerant because Islam tells us to always respect the culture and traditions of the country we are living in. The problem is that Bradford is full of people from the Mirpur district of Pakistan (or Kashmir to to precise) and they as a people in general are very lazy, chavvy and uneducated and many (not all) are very ungrateful for the opportunities they have been given in the UK. They are greedy little grabbers who take take take and give nothing back - like the chavs of any country...even worse they think because there's so many of them now that they are the indigineous population and that whites are the minority and because they live here/happened to be born here they actually have a God-given right to do as they please - and of course there's more than a few - Bradford's full of them! So again it is not Muslims - its Mirpuris who happen to be Muslims - that's like me always saying atheists or Catholics when I am in fact talking about the people of Manchester in England for example. Flipping heck is it that so hard for T&A readers to understand?! Born on the 5th December
  • Score: 9

5:36pm Thu 10 Jul 14

Albion. says...

Born on the 5th December wrote:
They only do damage! wrote:
The people who adopt this islamification, have no tolerance for our way of life. We can be sure, that in each day of there life, they look at us with disdain and hatred. You now know this, so how can we talk about racism against them, when the none muslims who have lived amongs them in Bradford have known this, and been demonised for years, but they were the first to find out of there intolerence. It clearly isn't all muslims, but you can be sure its more than a few.
I don't think that is true entirely - people who follow a real Islamic way of life are very tolerant because Islam tells us to always respect the culture and traditions of the country we are living in. The problem is that Bradford is full of people from the Mirpur district of Pakistan (or Kashmir to to precise) and they as a people in general are very lazy, chavvy and uneducated and many (not all) are very ungrateful for the opportunities they have been given in the UK. They are greedy little grabbers who take take take and give nothing back - like the chavs of any country...even worse they think because there's so many of them now that they are the indigineous population and that whites are the minority and because they live here/happened to be born here they actually have a God-given right to do as they please - and of course there's more than a few - Bradford's full of them! So again it is not Muslims - its Mirpuris who happen to be Muslims - that's like me always saying atheists or Catholics when I am in fact talking about the people of Manchester in England for example. Flipping heck is it that so hard for T&A readers to understand?!
The majority of terrorists claiming to act in the name of Allah, aren't from Mirpur or Bradford, so yes it is "so hard for T&A readers to understand." Once they get sufficient numbers here, the intolerance and demands will start.
[quote][p][bold]Born on the 5th December[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]They only do damage![/bold] wrote: The people who adopt this islamification, have no tolerance for our way of life. We can be sure, that in each day of there life, they look at us with disdain and hatred. You now know this, so how can we talk about racism against them, when the none muslims who have lived amongs them in Bradford have known this, and been demonised for years, but they were the first to find out of there intolerence. It clearly isn't all muslims, but you can be sure its more than a few.[/p][/quote]I don't think that is true entirely - people who follow a real Islamic way of life are very tolerant because Islam tells us to always respect the culture and traditions of the country we are living in. The problem is that Bradford is full of people from the Mirpur district of Pakistan (or Kashmir to to precise) and they as a people in general are very lazy, chavvy and uneducated and many (not all) are very ungrateful for the opportunities they have been given in the UK. They are greedy little grabbers who take take take and give nothing back - like the chavs of any country...even worse they think because there's so many of them now that they are the indigineous population and that whites are the minority and because they live here/happened to be born here they actually have a God-given right to do as they please - and of course there's more than a few - Bradford's full of them! So again it is not Muslims - its Mirpuris who happen to be Muslims - that's like me always saying atheists or Catholics when I am in fact talking about the people of Manchester in England for example. Flipping heck is it that so hard for T&A readers to understand?![/p][/quote]The majority of terrorists claiming to act in the name of Allah, aren't from Mirpur or Bradford, so yes it is "so hard for T&A readers to understand." Once they get sufficient numbers here, the intolerance and demands will start. Albion.
  • Score: 8

5:55pm Thu 10 Jul 14

Bone_idle18 says...

K.Y.E. wrote:
If you look at the number of Muslim schools within the number of faith schools in the UK, you see that Muslims are grossly under-represented with only 140 schools throughout the UK. That is a meagre number when 5% of the population are Muslim.

The "Trojan Horse" letter was a fake, but it is possible that in some schools, parents and governers are trying to bring Islam into their school after their applications to create a faith school are turned down. I'm unsure of what the problem is really, apart from an media-led panic whenever the "M" word is used.
Slightly missing the point. The whole Trojan horse issue has nothing to do with faith schools, it's all about infiltrating state schools.
[quote][p][bold]K.Y.E.[/bold] wrote: If you look at the number of Muslim schools within the number of faith schools in the UK, you see that Muslims are grossly under-represented with only 140 schools throughout the UK. That is a meagre number when 5% of the population are Muslim. The "Trojan Horse" letter was a fake, but it is possible that in some schools, parents and governers are trying to bring Islam into their school after their applications to create a faith school are turned down. I'm unsure of what the problem is really, apart from an media-led panic whenever the "M" word is used.[/p][/quote]Slightly missing the point. The whole Trojan horse issue has nothing to do with faith schools, it's all about infiltrating state schools. Bone_idle18
  • Score: 3

6:03pm Thu 10 Jul 14

lazybeat says...

Albion. wrote:
Born on the 5th December wrote:
They only do damage! wrote:
The people who adopt this islamification, have no tolerance for our way of life. We can be sure, that in each day of there life, they look at us with disdain and hatred. You now know this, so how can we talk about racism against them, when the none muslims who have lived amongs them in Bradford have known this, and been demonised for years, but they were the first to find out of there intolerence. It clearly isn't all muslims, but you can be sure its more than a few.
I don't think that is true entirely - people who follow a real Islamic way of life are very tolerant because Islam tells us to always respect the culture and traditions of the country we are living in. The problem is that Bradford is full of people from the Mirpur district of Pakistan (or Kashmir to to precise) and they as a people in general are very lazy, chavvy and uneducated and many (not all) are very ungrateful for the opportunities they have been given in the UK. They are greedy little grabbers who take take take and give nothing back - like the chavs of any country...even worse they think because there's so many of them now that they are the indigineous population and that whites are the minority and because they live here/happened to be born here they actually have a God-given right to do as they please - and of course there's more than a few - Bradford's full of them! So again it is not Muslims - its Mirpuris who happen to be Muslims - that's like me always saying atheists or Catholics when I am in fact talking about the people of Manchester in England for example. Flipping heck is it that so hard for T&A readers to understand?!
The majority of terrorists claiming to act in the name of Allah, aren't from Mirpur or Bradford, so yes it is "so hard for T&A readers to understand." Once they get sufficient numbers here, the intolerance and demands will start.
And the corruption, the stopping girls from being educated and bombings in Pakistan are not from mirpur either. This is a Pakistan issue not a mirpur issue.
[quote][p][bold]Albion.[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Born on the 5th December[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]They only do damage![/bold] wrote: The people who adopt this islamification, have no tolerance for our way of life. We can be sure, that in each day of there life, they look at us with disdain and hatred. You now know this, so how can we talk about racism against them, when the none muslims who have lived amongs them in Bradford have known this, and been demonised for years, but they were the first to find out of there intolerence. It clearly isn't all muslims, but you can be sure its more than a few.[/p][/quote]I don't think that is true entirely - people who follow a real Islamic way of life are very tolerant because Islam tells us to always respect the culture and traditions of the country we are living in. The problem is that Bradford is full of people from the Mirpur district of Pakistan (or Kashmir to to precise) and they as a people in general are very lazy, chavvy and uneducated and many (not all) are very ungrateful for the opportunities they have been given in the UK. They are greedy little grabbers who take take take and give nothing back - like the chavs of any country...even worse they think because there's so many of them now that they are the indigineous population and that whites are the minority and because they live here/happened to be born here they actually have a God-given right to do as they please - and of course there's more than a few - Bradford's full of them! So again it is not Muslims - its Mirpuris who happen to be Muslims - that's like me always saying atheists or Catholics when I am in fact talking about the people of Manchester in England for example. Flipping heck is it that so hard for T&A readers to understand?![/p][/quote]The majority of terrorists claiming to act in the name of Allah, aren't from Mirpur or Bradford, so yes it is "so hard for T&A readers to understand." Once they get sufficient numbers here, the intolerance and demands will start.[/p][/quote]And the corruption, the stopping girls from being educated and bombings in Pakistan are not from mirpur either. This is a Pakistan issue not a mirpur issue. lazybeat
  • Score: 9

6:21pm Thu 10 Jul 14

lazybeat says...

lazybeat wrote:
Albion. wrote:
Born on the 5th December wrote:
They only do damage! wrote:
The people who adopt this islamification, have no tolerance for our way of life. We can be sure, that in each day of there life, they look at us with disdain and hatred. You now know this, so how can we talk about racism against them, when the none muslims who have lived amongs them in Bradford have known this, and been demonised for years, but they were the first to find out of there intolerence. It clearly isn't all muslims, but you can be sure its more than a few.
I don't think that is true entirely - people who follow a real Islamic way of life are very tolerant because Islam tells us to always respect the culture and traditions of the country we are living in. The problem is that Bradford is full of people from the Mirpur district of Pakistan (or Kashmir to to precise) and they as a people in general are very lazy, chavvy and uneducated and many (not all) are very ungrateful for the opportunities they have been given in the UK. They are greedy little grabbers who take take take and give nothing back - like the chavs of any country...even worse they think because there's so many of them now that they are the indigineous population and that whites are the minority and because they live here/happened to be born here they actually have a God-given right to do as they please - and of course there's more than a few - Bradford's full of them! So again it is not Muslims - its Mirpuris who happen to be Muslims - that's like me always saying atheists or Catholics when I am in fact talking about the people of Manchester in England for example. Flipping heck is it that so hard for T&A readers to understand?!
The majority of terrorists claiming to act in the name of Allah, aren't from Mirpur or Bradford, so yes it is "so hard for T&A readers to understand." Once they get sufficient numbers here, the intolerance and demands will start.
And the corruption, the stopping girls from being educated and bombings in Pakistan are not from mirpur either. This is a Pakistan issue not a mirpur issue.
they have a saying in the Pakistani community, 'never trust a lohoree, they would sell their own mother for the right fee.'
[quote][p][bold]lazybeat[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Albion.[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Born on the 5th December[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]They only do damage![/bold] wrote: The people who adopt this islamification, have no tolerance for our way of life. We can be sure, that in each day of there life, they look at us with disdain and hatred. You now know this, so how can we talk about racism against them, when the none muslims who have lived amongs them in Bradford have known this, and been demonised for years, but they were the first to find out of there intolerence. It clearly isn't all muslims, but you can be sure its more than a few.[/p][/quote]I don't think that is true entirely - people who follow a real Islamic way of life are very tolerant because Islam tells us to always respect the culture and traditions of the country we are living in. The problem is that Bradford is full of people from the Mirpur district of Pakistan (or Kashmir to to precise) and they as a people in general are very lazy, chavvy and uneducated and many (not all) are very ungrateful for the opportunities they have been given in the UK. They are greedy little grabbers who take take take and give nothing back - like the chavs of any country...even worse they think because there's so many of them now that they are the indigineous population and that whites are the minority and because they live here/happened to be born here they actually have a God-given right to do as they please - and of course there's more than a few - Bradford's full of them! So again it is not Muslims - its Mirpuris who happen to be Muslims - that's like me always saying atheists or Catholics when I am in fact talking about the people of Manchester in England for example. Flipping heck is it that so hard for T&A readers to understand?![/p][/quote]The majority of terrorists claiming to act in the name of Allah, aren't from Mirpur or Bradford, so yes it is "so hard for T&A readers to understand." Once they get sufficient numbers here, the intolerance and demands will start.[/p][/quote]And the corruption, the stopping girls from being educated and bombings in Pakistan are not from mirpur either. This is a Pakistan issue not a mirpur issue.[/p][/quote]they have a saying in the Pakistani community, 'never trust a lohoree, they would sell their own mother for the right fee.' lazybeat
  • Score: 5

6:36pm Thu 10 Jul 14

i'dliketosay says...

Feversham College has a Muslim ethos and one of the top 5 value added schools in the country. Ofsted went in looking for anything negative, rather than its normal inspection routine. when it could not find an iota of extremism, it picked up on the one thing it could. The fact the number of girl leacing school improving more than expected is down to the school environment and support. Its working, leave it alone!
Feversham College has a Muslim ethos and one of the top 5 value added schools in the country. Ofsted went in looking for anything negative, rather than its normal inspection routine. when it could not find an iota of extremism, it picked up on the one thing it could. The fact the number of girl leacing school improving more than expected is down to the school environment and support. Its working, leave it alone! i'dliketosay
  • Score: 4

9:19pm Thu 10 Jul 14

Johsay says...

It's working leave it alone!?!?
It's working leave it alone!?!? Johsay
  • Score: 2

3:45am Fri 11 Jul 14

K.Y.E. says...

I was trying to say that as there aren't enough Muslim schools, you can't blame parents and governors of a state school where a vast majority of pupils are Muslim from trying to give the school an Islamic ethos.
I was trying to say that as there aren't enough Muslim schools, you can't blame parents and governors of a state school where a vast majority of pupils are Muslim from trying to give the school an Islamic ethos. K.Y.E.
  • Score: -7
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