Council buys site for new city centre swimming pool and leisure centre

Bradford Telegraph and Argus: SOLD: Britannia Mills in Portland Street has been bought by Bradford Council. Right, Councillor Andrew Thornton. Left, the Telegraph & Argus of March 21 SOLD: Britannia Mills in Portland Street has been bought by Bradford Council. Right, Councillor Andrew Thornton. Left, the Telegraph & Argus of March 21

A PLAN to build a major swimming pool and leisure centre on the site of a Bradford city centre engineering firm has moved a step closer.

The Telegraph & Argus can exclusively reveal that precision engineering company Wetherby Engineering has agreed a deal to sell its base at Britannia Mills, Portland Street, Bradford, to Bradford Council for an undisclosed sum.

In March, it emerged that the Council had approached Wetherby Engineering with an offer to buy its base, near Trafalgar House police station, but that the firm was still considering the offer.

Now both parties have confirmed that the sale has been agreed.

Wetherby Engineering manager Charles Wyatt said: "The deal has been done."

He declined to answer any further questions about the sale, or what it means for the firm.

Previously, Wetherby Engineering was understood to be looking at the possibility of relocating to a different site, but rumours have been circulating that the company is making redundancies.

When asked whether people were being made redundant, Mr Wyatt said: "Possibly. I would like to make no comment at the moment."

The plan for a new city centre pool forms part of a wider shake-up of leisure facilities across the district.

The centre would have a 25-metre, eight-lane main pool, a learner pool and a diving pool, with associated games and studio space.

It would replace the ailing Richard Dunn Sports Centre at Odsal, which Bradford Council’s executive member for sport, Councillor Andrew Thornton, has previously described as a “black hole” in the authority’s finances.

But the Richard Dunn centre would not close until the new pool had opened.

The shake-up also includes proposals to close or pull out of community pools at Bingley, Bowling and Queensbury, and open three new ones in different areas.

Cllr Thornton said yesterday: "We have done a deal to acquire the [Britannia Mills] site and we will be going out to consult on the full programme very soon."

He said the full swimming pool shake-up plan would be going out for a public consultation this summer, but declined to give further details at this stage.

When asked whether land had been bought for the other three pools, Cllr Thornton said: "That is currently what we are working through."

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7:10am Wed 9 Jul 14

Albion. says...

Is this a cheaper option than re-developing some of their existing pool sites?
Is this a cheaper option than re-developing some of their existing pool sites? Albion.
  • Score: 17

8:00am Wed 9 Jul 14

Thee Voice of Reason says...

It will go out for public consultation in the summer.
Correct me if I'm wrong but by already buying.the site whats the point in consultation when massive amounts of money have been spent. The decision has clearly already been made.
It will go out for public consultation in the summer. Correct me if I'm wrong but by already buying.the site whats the point in consultation when massive amounts of money have been spent. The decision has clearly already been made. Thee Voice of Reason
  • Score: 25

8:01am Wed 9 Jul 14

Mike Strutter says...

That's right, send more cars into the city centre !!

Why not redevelop Richard Dunn ?
That's right, send more cars into the city centre !! Why not redevelop Richard Dunn ? Mike Strutter
  • Score: 32

8:03am Wed 9 Jul 14

spearmint wino says...

So the council are now complicit in more job losses to bradford, don't tell me there aren't other suitable brownfield sites.
Plus if we are going to build a new swimming pool complex then let's do it right and build a 50m competition pool c/w separate training and diving pools same as at Ponds Forge in Sheffield. Have they consulted the Bradford swimming clubs about what is required or not?
So the council are now complicit in more job losses to bradford, don't tell me there aren't other suitable brownfield sites. Plus if we are going to build a new swimming pool complex then let's do it right and build a 50m competition pool c/w separate training and diving pools same as at Ponds Forge in Sheffield. Have they consulted the Bradford swimming clubs about what is required or not? spearmint wino
  • Score: 39

8:24am Wed 9 Jul 14

notpoliticallycorrect says...

Andrew Thornton certainly knows how to waste tax payers money. He seems to be a sole voice in major decision making and will run for cover when it goes wrong. He is probably unemployed or in a low grade job with no previous management level or financial background experience.

A small city centre swimming pool built for the use of a minority whom live in BD3 and BD7 no doubt most of whom don't even pay council tax. You are a true community leader Mr Thornton.

You certainly know how to waste money with hair brained schemes, your invention of the permits at the household waste sites was a stoke of pure genius.
Andrew Thornton certainly knows how to waste tax payers money. He seems to be a sole voice in major decision making and will run for cover when it goes wrong. He is probably unemployed or in a low grade job with no previous management level or financial background experience. A small city centre swimming pool built for the use of a minority whom live in BD3 and BD7 no doubt most of whom don't even pay council tax. You are a true community leader Mr Thornton. You certainly know how to waste money with hair brained schemes, your invention of the permits at the household waste sites was a stoke of pure genius. notpoliticallycorrect
  • Score: 23

8:31am Wed 9 Jul 14

angry bradfordian says...

"He said the full swimming pool shake-up plan would be going out for a public consultation this summer, but declined to give further details at this stage."

It's probably pointless him giving further details as the consultation will be pretty pointless if they've already bought the land!

I'm staggered that the council feel they have to buy the land of a going concern (presumably at a premium?) when there are countless derelict/fire damaged mills and wasteland in the Sunbridge Rd/Listerhills area.
Any more rhetoric from Green about his 'producer city' is even more hollow now!
"He said the full swimming pool shake-up plan would be going out for a public consultation this summer, but declined to give further details at this stage." It's probably pointless him giving further details as the consultation will be pretty pointless if they've already bought the land! I'm staggered that the council feel they have to buy the land of a going concern (presumably at a premium?) when there are countless derelict/fire damaged mills and wasteland in the Sunbridge Rd/Listerhills area. Any more rhetoric from Green about his 'producer city' is even more hollow now! angry bradfordian
  • Score: 21

8:37am Wed 9 Jul 14

bd7 helper says...

Where's the money come from
Where's the money come from bd7 helper
  • Score: 12

8:39am Wed 9 Jul 14

angry bradfordian says...

Mike Strutter wrote:
That's right, send more cars into the city centre !!

Why not redevelop Richard Dunn ?
I fear it may me a bit wishful to hope they'll let you park anywhere near the pool. I'm not sure the site is big enough for a decent car park.

No doubt the council will make it public transport only for the sake of "sustainability" whilst they enjoy their massive Jacobs Well car park......
[quote][p][bold]Mike Strutter[/bold] wrote: That's right, send more cars into the city centre !! Why not redevelop Richard Dunn ?[/p][/quote]I fear it may me a bit wishful to hope they'll let you park anywhere near the pool. I'm not sure the site is big enough for a decent car park. No doubt the council will make it public transport only for the sake of "sustainability" whilst they enjoy their massive Jacobs Well car park...... angry bradfordian
  • Score: 5

9:07am Wed 9 Jul 14

piltdownman says...

Thee Voice of Reason wrote:
It will go out for public consultation in the summer.
Correct me if I'm wrong but by already buying.the site whats the point in consultation when massive amounts of money have been spent. The decision has clearly already been made.
All of City Hall's 'consultations' are a sham. They just do what they want anyway.
[quote][p][bold]Thee Voice of Reason[/bold] wrote: It will go out for public consultation in the summer. Correct me if I'm wrong but by already buying.the site whats the point in consultation when massive amounts of money have been spent. The decision has clearly already been made.[/p][/quote]All of City Hall's 'consultations' are a sham. They just do what they want anyway. piltdownman
  • Score: 15

9:11am Wed 9 Jul 14

bcfc1903 says...

Sounds a good idea to me. Didn't like the original scheme which had it located in the Odeon Building. This seems a good location near the interchange but not a key location like the Odeon. Good news, hopefully it will be a success!!!
Sounds a good idea to me. Didn't like the original scheme which had it located in the Odeon Building. This seems a good location near the interchange but not a key location like the Odeon. Good news, hopefully it will be a success!!! bcfc1903
  • Score: -6

9:51am Wed 9 Jul 14

Lynessman says...

I like the idea of a city centre pool, however it would have been better positioned on the old Yorkshire water site on the bottom of Leeds road. it has a multi story car park next door and leisure facilities on site. Also it should be more of a fun pool with slides, waves etc to bring more tourists to the area
I like the idea of a city centre pool, however it would have been better positioned on the old Yorkshire water site on the bottom of Leeds road. it has a multi story car park next door and leisure facilities on site. Also it should be more of a fun pool with slides, waves etc to bring more tourists to the area Lynessman
  • Score: 15

9:55am Wed 9 Jul 14

idf fanclub says...

bcfc...

As the head council brownoser, can we ask you - is there anything, ever that our glorious council has done, that you have disagreed with?
bcfc... As the head council brownoser, can we ask you - is there anything, ever that our glorious council has done, that you have disagreed with? idf fanclub
  • Score: 14

9:56am Wed 9 Jul 14

Danger Mouse Bantam says...

To be far this sounds very much like what Shipley already has to offer!?!?!
Surely a pool with much better leisure facilities ie slides, wave machines etc etc.
To be far this sounds very much like what Shipley already has to offer!?!?! Surely a pool with much better leisure facilities ie slides, wave machines etc etc. Danger Mouse Bantam
  • Score: 7

10:41am Wed 9 Jul 14

calumsellers says...

What i cannot understand is why they should re-open some other closed swiming pools.

It's right next to croft street so it's dangerous to put it there.
What i cannot understand is why they should re-open some other closed swiming pools. It's right next to croft street so it's dangerous to put it there. calumsellers
  • Score: 5

10:46am Wed 9 Jul 14

bluebluerobin says...

The parking fines scam, the b-warm scheme, the bulldozer fiasco, fly-tipping, the waste permits, public hygiene failures, the scrapping of the green bags and now the swimming pools. Cllr. Thornton does nothing properly. He has visited more disasters on Bradford than even Cllr. Hinchcliffe. Why does the Labour Group keep him in post? Can it be that he’s Cllr Green’s best Wibsey mate? Surely not.
The parking fines scam, the b-warm scheme, the bulldozer fiasco, fly-tipping, the waste permits, public hygiene failures, the scrapping of the green bags and now the swimming pools. Cllr. Thornton does nothing properly. He has visited more disasters on Bradford than even Cllr. Hinchcliffe. Why does the Labour Group keep him in post? Can it be that he’s Cllr Green’s best Wibsey mate? Surely not. bluebluerobin
  • Score: 13

10:56am Wed 9 Jul 14

Avro says...

Mike Strutter wrote:
That's right, send more cars into the city centre !!

Why not redevelop Richard Dunn ?
I'll hazzard a guess this heralds the eventual closure of Richard Dunn
[quote][p][bold]Mike Strutter[/bold] wrote: That's right, send more cars into the city centre !! Why not redevelop Richard Dunn ?[/p][/quote]I'll hazzard a guess this heralds the eventual closure of Richard Dunn Avro
  • Score: 6

11:09am Wed 9 Jul 14

Mike Strutter says...

Indeed and then sell it off for more houses
Indeed and then sell it off for more houses Mike Strutter
  • Score: 5

1:51pm Wed 9 Jul 14

northern pig says...

Wherever the pool is built,it needs to be an olympic sized pool to accommodate the serious swimmers as well as the splash happy family groups. Otherwise it is a missed opportunity for the city of Bradford
Wherever the pool is built,it needs to be an olympic sized pool to accommodate the serious swimmers as well as the splash happy family groups. Otherwise it is a missed opportunity for the city of Bradford northern pig
  • Score: 17

1:56pm Wed 9 Jul 14

Papa Quebec says...

The public can use Bradford University's Swimming Pool less than a mile away, so why is the Council wasting our money on this site?
The public can use Bradford University's Swimming Pool less than a mile away, so why is the Council wasting our money on this site? Papa Quebec
  • Score: 12

3:12pm Wed 9 Jul 14

Papa Smurfs Wig says...

Is Dunns a mess and does it lose money?
Is Dunns a mess and does it lose money? Papa Smurfs Wig
  • Score: 3

3:30pm Wed 9 Jul 14

Papa Quebec says...

Papa Smurfs Wig wrote:
Is Dunns a mess and does it lose money?
All Council recreation centres apart from Marley lose money.
[quote][p][bold]Papa Smurfs Wig[/bold] wrote: Is Dunns a mess and does it lose money?[/p][/quote]All Council recreation centres apart from Marley lose money. Papa Quebec
  • Score: 5

3:37pm Wed 9 Jul 14

idf fanclub says...

Ho humm... Barfdord Kouncil announces yet another regen plan. They have the worst record in UK local government for failed projects, incompetence and bungling - and of course a massive waste of public money. Half a billion quid at the last count. Repeat - half a billion. The list seems endless: The Canal; the World Mile, The Olympic Village; Bradford Centre Regen under the dead, useless hand of Queen (gimme the money) Maud; Willy Allslop’s Disneyland vision of the centre; the vastly overpriced City Park (since when did an dull expanse of grey concrete consitute a park?); the ludicrous Capital of Cuture bid; the Broadway debacle arriving too little and too late; the Odeon scandal... And more. Plus all the fees and consultations, freebie trips and meals and mega expensive useless publicity (anyone remember the “Rebirth of a City” campaign? That cost half a million and died).

And we can do nothing. Senior council management are untouchable and unaccountable.

So roll on the next regen plan folks. After all. it’s only public money. Our money, your money.

Of course if we had local media that ever criticised or investigated the Regen Nazis, things might be different. But this is Barfdord.
Ho humm... Barfdord Kouncil announces yet another regen plan. They have the worst record in UK local government for failed projects, incompetence and bungling - and of course a massive waste of public money. Half a billion quid at the last count. Repeat - half a billion. The list seems endless: The Canal; the World Mile, The Olympic Village; Bradford Centre Regen under the dead, useless hand of Queen (gimme the money) Maud; Willy Allslop’s Disneyland vision of the centre; the vastly overpriced City Park (since when did an dull expanse of grey concrete consitute a park?); the ludicrous Capital of Cuture bid; the Broadway debacle arriving too little and too late; the Odeon scandal... And more. Plus all the fees and consultations, freebie trips and meals and mega expensive useless publicity (anyone remember the “Rebirth of a City” campaign? That cost half a million and died). And we can do nothing. Senior council management are untouchable and unaccountable. So roll on the next regen plan folks. After all. it’s only public money. Our money, your money. Of course if we had local media that ever criticised or investigated the Regen Nazis, things might be different. But this is Barfdord. idf fanclub
  • Score: 13

5:23pm Wed 9 Jul 14

Reality001 says...

bcfc1903 wrote:
Sounds a good idea to me. Didn't like the original scheme which had it located in the Odeon Building. This seems a good location near the interchange but not a key location like the Odeon. Good news, hopefully it will be a success!!!
The original scheme didn't have this swimming pool located in the Odeon building.

The plans for a swimming pool in the Odeon was put forward by a group Rance Booth Smith, developer Chartback, surveyors Rex Procter and Partners, town planners Turley Associates, advisors Tomorrow Advisory, surveyors Sharma Williamson and technical experts SK(UK) , expressing an interest in taking over the Odeon.

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[quote][p][bold]bcfc1903[/bold] wrote: Sounds a good idea to me. Didn't like the original scheme which had it located in the Odeon Building. This seems a good location near the interchange but not a key location like the Odeon. Good news, hopefully it will be a success!!![/p][/quote]The original scheme didn't have this swimming pool located in the Odeon building. The plans for a swimming pool in the Odeon was put forward by a group Rance Booth Smith, developer Chartback, surveyors Rex Procter and Partners, town planners Turley Associates, advisors Tomorrow Advisory, surveyors Sharma Williamson and technical experts SK(UK) , expressing an interest in taking over the Odeon. http://www.thetelegr aphandargus.co.uk/ne ws/10977296.New___30 m_swimming_pool_and_ sports_centre_plan_f or_Bradford_s_Odeon/ Reality001
  • Score: 3

6:55pm Wed 9 Jul 14

i'dliketosay says...

We have job losses and funding cuts and yet the council has found the money to buy prime land and then to build a new leisure complex. The council wasting tax payers money instead of regenerating existing projects
We have job losses and funding cuts and yet the council has found the money to buy prime land and then to build a new leisure complex. The council wasting tax payers money instead of regenerating existing projects i'dliketosay
  • Score: 3

7:21pm Wed 9 Jul 14

bcfc1903 says...

idf fanclub wrote:
bcfc...

As the head council brownoser, can we ask you - is there anything, ever that our glorious council has done, that you have disagreed with?
Oh, you are too kind, go on then, there was the time Mr Hopkins and his council left a great hole in the heart of Bradford, I didn't agree with that. But prey tell, why would anyone disagree with a council, building a new swimming pool in Bradford City Centre? Surely It's all good.
[quote][p][bold]idf fanclub[/bold] wrote: bcfc... As the head council brownoser, can we ask you - is there anything, ever that our glorious council has done, that you have disagreed with?[/p][/quote]Oh, you are too kind, go on then, there was the time Mr Hopkins and his council left a great hole in the heart of Bradford, I didn't agree with that. But prey tell, why would anyone disagree with a council, building a new swimming pool in Bradford City Centre? Surely It's all good. bcfc1903
  • Score: -2

7:29pm Wed 9 Jul 14

bcfc1903 says...

Reality001 wrote:
bcfc1903 wrote:
Sounds a good idea to me. Didn't like the original scheme which had it located in the Odeon Building. This seems a good location near the interchange but not a key location like the Odeon. Good news, hopefully it will be a success!!!
The original scheme didn't have this swimming pool located in the Odeon building.

The plans for a swimming pool in the Odeon was put forward by a group Rance Booth Smith, developer Chartback, surveyors Rex Procter and Partners, town planners Turley Associates, advisors Tomorrow Advisory, surveyors Sharma Williamson and technical experts SK(UK) , expressing an interest in taking over the Odeon.

http://www.thetelegr

aphandargus.co.uk/ne

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This scheme with the swimming pool in it which was originally along with two music venue schemes was going to be housed in the Odeon building, which was the wrong location for such a scheme, the site earmarked above is far better.
[quote][p][bold]Reality001[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]bcfc1903[/bold] wrote: Sounds a good idea to me. Didn't like the original scheme which had it located in the Odeon Building. This seems a good location near the interchange but not a key location like the Odeon. Good news, hopefully it will be a success!!![/p][/quote]The original scheme didn't have this swimming pool located in the Odeon building. The plans for a swimming pool in the Odeon was put forward by a group Rance Booth Smith, developer Chartback, surveyors Rex Procter and Partners, town planners Turley Associates, advisors Tomorrow Advisory, surveyors Sharma Williamson and technical experts SK(UK) , expressing an interest in taking over the Odeon. http://www.thetelegr aphandargus.co.uk/ne ws/10977296.New___30 m_swimming_pool_and_ sports_centre_plan_f or_Bradford_s_Odeon/[/p][/quote]This scheme with the swimming pool in it which was originally along with two music venue schemes was going to be housed in the Odeon building, which was the wrong location for such a scheme, the site earmarked above is far better. bcfc1903
  • Score: -2

7:42pm Wed 9 Jul 14

G_Firth says...

How about putting that on hold and using that money on social care services for now instead
How about putting that on hold and using that money on social care services for now instead G_Firth
  • Score: 4

8:03pm Wed 9 Jul 14

They only do damage! says...

The Labour council, are going to throw our money at a good employer to relocate, meaning job losses!!. Who the hell is there to make sure that there decisions are competent?, you guessed it (Labour)!!!!!.
The Labour council, are going to throw our money at a good employer to relocate, meaning job losses!!. Who the hell is there to make sure that there decisions are competent?, you guessed it (Labour)!!!!!. They only do damage!
  • Score: 1

9:57pm Wed 9 Jul 14

taleoftruth says...

I wish you would all stop complaining. Most of you probably voted for these people or you did little or nothing to stop them being elected.
I wish you would all stop complaining. Most of you probably voted for these people or you did little or nothing to stop them being elected. taleoftruth
  • Score: -3

10:53pm Wed 9 Jul 14

Viwinner says...

Dont blame me I voted UKIP now suck up that punishment with a labour majority
Dont blame me I voted UKIP now suck up that punishment with a labour majority Viwinner
  • Score: 3

9:49am Thu 10 Jul 14

idf fanclub says...

"Oh, you are too kind, go on then, there was the time Mr Hopkins and his council left a great hole in the heart of Bradford, I didn't agree with that. But prey tell, why would anyone disagree with a council, building a new swimming pool in Bradford City Centre? Surely It's all good."

With your poor command of English and grammar, you obviously work for Barfdord Kouncil. And you're still the brownie supreme. Hope you get paid for doing this. Because if you do it for free, you need help.

And surely it's not "all good." With the Regen Nazis' track record, they could mess up building an outside toilet.
"Oh, you are too kind, go on then, there was the time Mr Hopkins and his council left a great hole in the heart of Bradford, I didn't agree with that. But prey tell, why would anyone disagree with a council, building a new swimming pool in Bradford City Centre? Surely It's all good." With your poor command of English and grammar, you obviously work for Barfdord Kouncil. And you're still the brownie supreme. Hope you get paid for doing this. Because if you do it for free, you need help. And surely it's not "all good." With the Regen Nazis' track record, they could mess up building an outside toilet. idf fanclub
  • Score: -3

11:56am Thu 10 Jul 14

Albion. says...

idf fanclub wrote:
"Oh, you are too kind, go on then, there was the time Mr Hopkins and his council left a great hole in the heart of Bradford, I didn't agree with that. But prey tell, why would anyone disagree with a council, building a new swimming pool in Bradford City Centre? Surely It's all good."

With your poor command of English and grammar, you obviously work for Barfdord Kouncil. And you're still the brownie supreme. Hope you get paid for doing this. Because if you do it for free, you need help.

And surely it's not "all good." With the Regen Nazis' track record, they could mess up building an outside toilet.
"prey tell"?
[quote][p][bold]idf fanclub[/bold] wrote: "Oh, you are too kind, go on then, there was the time Mr Hopkins and his council left a great hole in the heart of Bradford, I didn't agree with that. But prey tell, why would anyone disagree with a council, building a new swimming pool in Bradford City Centre? Surely It's all good." With your poor command of English and grammar, you obviously work for Barfdord Kouncil. And you're still the brownie supreme. Hope you get paid for doing this. Because if you do it for free, you need help. And surely it's not "all good." With the Regen Nazis' track record, they could mess up building an outside toilet.[/p][/quote]"prey tell"? Albion.
  • Score: 1

12:05pm Thu 10 Jul 14

bobby98007 says...

The price of this land is only ever going to go up, and not down, and as Bradford city centre is re developed land is going to become a premium. So buy the land now and announce the project, leave it 5 years and then buy it and the tax payer will end up paying more.

Should the proposed never get built, the council could always sell the land on to a private developer at a small profit.
The price of this land is only ever going to go up, and not down, and as Bradford city centre is re developed land is going to become a premium. So buy the land now and announce the project, leave it 5 years and then buy it and the tax payer will end up paying more. Should the proposed never get built, the council could always sell the land on to a private developer at a small profit. bobby98007
  • Score: 0

12:17pm Thu 10 Jul 14

Albion. says...

bobby98007 wrote:
The price of this land is only ever going to go up, and not down, and as Bradford city centre is re developed land is going to become a premium. So buy the land now and announce the project, leave it 5 years and then buy it and the tax payer will end up paying more.

Should the proposed never get built, the council could always sell the land on to a private developer at a small profit.
Or themselves at a large loss?
[quote][p][bold]bobby98007[/bold] wrote: The price of this land is only ever going to go up, and not down, and as Bradford city centre is re developed land is going to become a premium. So buy the land now and announce the project, leave it 5 years and then buy it and the tax payer will end up paying more. Should the proposed never get built, the council could always sell the land on to a private developer at a small profit.[/p][/quote]Or themselves at a large loss? Albion.
  • Score: 3

12:32pm Thu 10 Jul 14

bobby98007 says...

Why would they sell it to themselves when they have already purchased it?
Why would they sell it to themselves when they have already purchased it? bobby98007
  • Score: 1

12:35pm Thu 10 Jul 14

Albion. says...

bobby98007 wrote:
Why would they sell it to themselves when they have already purchased it?
Themselves being individuals, YOU have purchased it.
[quote][p][bold]bobby98007[/bold] wrote: Why would they sell it to themselves when they have already purchased it?[/p][/quote]Themselves being individuals, YOU have purchased it. Albion.
  • Score: 2

12:38pm Thu 10 Jul 14

bobby98007 says...

Is there a history of the council selling council owned land to an individual within the council at a huge loss for it then the be resold at a higher price for personal gain? I mean im not a lawyer, but thats got to be fraud.
Is there a history of the council selling council owned land to an individual within the council at a huge loss for it then the be resold at a higher price for personal gain? I mean im not a lawyer, but thats got to be fraud. bobby98007
  • Score: 1

12:43pm Thu 10 Jul 14

Albion. says...

bobby98007 wrote:
Is there a history of the council selling council owned land to an individual within the council at a huge loss for it then the be resold at a higher price for personal gain? I mean im not a lawyer, but thats got to be fraud.
It has indeed.
[quote][p][bold]bobby98007[/bold] wrote: Is there a history of the council selling council owned land to an individual within the council at a huge loss for it then the be resold at a higher price for personal gain? I mean im not a lawyer, but thats got to be fraud.[/p][/quote]It has indeed. Albion.
  • Score: 2

12:49pm Thu 10 Jul 14

bobby98007 says...

Well i cant comment on corruption within the council, but you cant assume they are all like that. But anyway the point i was trying to make is business principle of what they are doing is sound.
Well i cant comment on corruption within the council, but you cant assume they are all like that. But anyway the point i was trying to make is business principle of what they are doing is sound. bobby98007
  • Score: 3

1:12pm Thu 10 Jul 14

idf fanclub says...

Dear Brownie,

"prey tell." Dear oh dear.

It's "pray tell" actually. So that settles the question about your poor command of English.

Or do you mean "pray tell" about the Barfdord Regen Nazis' truly awful track record? See my earlier post about the wasted half a billion quid of public money on failed projects. All on public record if you can be bothered to check it out.

But what's half a billion when we've got a lifeless expanse of grey concrete? Enjoy. And I bet you do, judging on the sycophancy displayed.
Dear Brownie, "prey tell." Dear oh dear. It's "pray tell" actually. So that settles the question about your poor command of English. Or do you mean "pray tell" about the Barfdord Regen Nazis' truly awful track record? See my earlier post about the wasted half a billion quid of public money on failed projects. All on public record if you can be bothered to check it out. But what's half a billion when we've got a lifeless expanse of grey concrete? Enjoy. And I bet you do, judging on the sycophancy displayed. idf fanclub
  • Score: 0

2:43pm Thu 10 Jul 14

36a says...

bcfc1903 wrote:
idf fanclub wrote:
bcfc...

As the head council brownoser, can we ask you - is there anything, ever that our glorious council has done, that you have disagreed with?
Oh, you are too kind, go on then, there was the time Mr Hopkins and his council left a great hole in the heart of Bradford, I didn't agree with that. But prey tell, why would anyone disagree with a council, building a new swimming pool in Bradford City Centre? Surely It's all good.
Because the Council is so skint it allegedly can't afford to even mend some roads, so where is the money coming from ?
Besides, I won't use it :-)
[quote][p][bold]bcfc1903[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]idf fanclub[/bold] wrote: bcfc... As the head council brownoser, can we ask you - is there anything, ever that our glorious council has done, that you have disagreed with?[/p][/quote]Oh, you are too kind, go on then, there was the time Mr Hopkins and his council left a great hole in the heart of Bradford, I didn't agree with that. But prey tell, why would anyone disagree with a council, building a new swimming pool in Bradford City Centre? Surely It's all good.[/p][/quote]Because the Council is so skint it allegedly can't afford to even mend some roads, so where is the money coming from ? Besides, I won't use it :-) 36a
  • Score: 2

6:36pm Thu 10 Jul 14

bcfc1903 says...

36a wrote:
bcfc1903 wrote:
idf fanclub wrote:
bcfc...

As the head council brownoser, can we ask you - is there anything, ever that our glorious council has done, that you have disagreed with?
Oh, you are too kind, go on then, there was the time Mr Hopkins and his council left a great hole in the heart of Bradford, I didn't agree with that. But prey tell, why would anyone disagree with a council, building a new swimming pool in Bradford City Centre? Surely It's all good.
Because the Council is so skint it allegedly can't afford to even mend some roads, so where is the money coming from ?
Besides, I won't use it :-)
It must just be coming from your Council Tax.

I will use it.... :-)

Sounds a good idea to me. Didn't like the original scheme which had it located in the Odeon Building. This seems a good location near the interchange but not a key location like the Odeon. Good news, hopefully it will be a success!!!
[quote][p][bold]36a[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]bcfc1903[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]idf fanclub[/bold] wrote: bcfc... As the head council brownoser, can we ask you - is there anything, ever that our glorious council has done, that you have disagreed with?[/p][/quote]Oh, you are too kind, go on then, there was the time Mr Hopkins and his council left a great hole in the heart of Bradford, I didn't agree with that. But prey tell, why would anyone disagree with a council, building a new swimming pool in Bradford City Centre? Surely It's all good.[/p][/quote]Because the Council is so skint it allegedly can't afford to even mend some roads, so where is the money coming from ? Besides, I won't use it :-)[/p][/quote]It must just be coming from your Council Tax. I will use it.... :-) Sounds a good idea to me. Didn't like the original scheme which had it located in the Odeon Building. This seems a good location near the interchange but not a key location like the Odeon. Good news, hopefully it will be a success!!! bcfc1903
  • Score: -2

6:41pm Thu 10 Jul 14

bcfc1903 says...

idf fanclub wrote:
"Oh, you are too kind, go on then, there was the time Mr Hopkins and his council left a great hole in the heart of Bradford, I didn't agree with that. But prey tell, why would anyone disagree with a council, building a new swimming pool in Bradford City Centre? Surely It's all good."

With your poor command of English and grammar, you obviously work for Barfdord Kouncil. And you're still the brownie supreme. Hope you get paid for doing this. Because if you do it for free, you need help.

And surely it's not "all good." With the Regen Nazis' track record, they could mess up building an outside toilet.
Tut tut, you really should quote.

I guess looking at your posts, you're an expert on toilets, let's flush your reply.

Sounds a good idea to me. Didn't like the original scheme which had it located in the Odeon Building. This seems a good location near the interchange but not a key location like the Odeon. Good news, hopefully it will be a success!!!
[quote][p][bold]idf fanclub[/bold] wrote: "Oh, you are too kind, go on then, there was the time Mr Hopkins and his council left a great hole in the heart of Bradford, I didn't agree with that. But prey tell, why would anyone disagree with a council, building a new swimming pool in Bradford City Centre? Surely It's all good." With your poor command of English and grammar, you obviously work for Barfdord Kouncil. And you're still the brownie supreme. Hope you get paid for doing this. Because if you do it for free, you need help. And surely it's not "all good." With the Regen Nazis' track record, they could mess up building an outside toilet.[/p][/quote]Tut tut, you really should quote. I guess looking at your posts, you're an expert on toilets, let's flush your reply. Sounds a good idea to me. Didn't like the original scheme which had it located in the Odeon Building. This seems a good location near the interchange but not a key location like the Odeon. Good news, hopefully it will be a success!!! bcfc1903
  • Score: -1

10:34pm Fri 11 Jul 14

idf fanclub says...

Brownie...

"...expert on toilets?" Maybe you have a point . Usually when I read your sycophantic Barfdord Kouncil posts, I head straight for one.

Err... "tut, tut, quote" what? The Regen Nazis' track record is there for all to see. Check out my previous posts which seem to gone over your head. Better still, under the FOI acts, get the gory details from the Council Finance Dept.

Keep on with the brown nosing. Must be a full time job. A joy to read and makes all our days worthwhile.

Are you Reno The Wonderful? In yet another id. Famous for his total adulation of all things Barfdord. If not, you two can have a grovelling contest - how about in the City Park? We could sell tickets. Make it an event.

PS: yes we need a pool. A 50 metre one. SAP. But... looking at the Regen Nazis' abilities - don't hold your breath. If the Broadway Shoppawoppa experience is anything to go by - you should be diving in about 2030.
Brownie... "...expert on toilets?" Maybe you have a point . Usually when I read your sycophantic Barfdord Kouncil posts, I head straight for one. Err... "tut, tut, quote" what? The Regen Nazis' track record is there for all to see. Check out my previous posts which seem to gone over your head. Better still, under the FOI acts, get the gory details from the Council Finance Dept. Keep on with the brown nosing. Must be a full time job. A joy to read and makes all our days worthwhile. Are you Reno The Wonderful? In yet another id. Famous for his total adulation of all things Barfdord. If not, you two can have a grovelling contest - how about in the City Park? We could sell tickets. Make it an event. PS: yes we need a pool. A 50 metre one. SAP. But... looking at the Regen Nazis' abilities - don't hold your breath. If the Broadway Shoppawoppa experience is anything to go by - you should be diving in about 2030. idf fanclub
  • Score: 1

8:08pm Sat 12 Jul 14

ever the optimist says...

Papa Smurfs Wig wrote:
Is Dunns a mess and does it lose money?
Yes it will be a black hole for finances the energy costs will be astronomical looking at the type of building, the roof void is gigantic and the roof is more than likely uninsulated.
[quote][p][bold]Papa Smurfs Wig[/bold] wrote: Is Dunns a mess and does it lose money?[/p][/quote]Yes it will be a black hole for finances the energy costs will be astronomical looking at the type of building, the roof void is gigantic and the roof is more than likely uninsulated. ever the optimist
  • Score: 1

8:18pm Sat 12 Jul 14

ever the optimist says...

idf fanclub wrote:
Ho humm... Barfdord Kouncil announces yet another regen plan. They have the worst record in UK local government for failed projects, incompetence and bungling - and of course a massive waste of public money. Half a billion quid at the last count. Repeat - half a billion. The list seems endless: The Canal; the World Mile, The Olympic Village; Bradford Centre Regen under the dead, useless hand of Queen (gimme the money) Maud; Willy Allslop’s Disneyland vision of the centre; the vastly overpriced City Park (since when did an dull expanse of grey concrete consitute a park?); the ludicrous Capital of Cuture bid; the Broadway debacle arriving too little and too late; the Odeon scandal... And more. Plus all the fees and consultations, freebie trips and meals and mega expensive useless publicity (anyone remember the “Rebirth of a City” campaign? That cost half a million and died).

And we can do nothing. Senior council management are untouchable and unaccountable.

So roll on the next regen plan folks. After all. it’s only public money. Our money, your money.

Of course if we had local media that ever criticised or investigated the Regen Nazis, things might be different. But this is Barfdord.
Bloody bradford council don't invest in the city, get em out clueless, useless, couldn't organise a pee up in a brewery blah blah blah

Bloody bradford council investing in the city how dare they get em out useless clueless.... Blah blah blah

Fighting a losing battle me thinks.
[quote][p][bold]idf fanclub[/bold] wrote: Ho humm... Barfdord Kouncil announces yet another regen plan. They have the worst record in UK local government for failed projects, incompetence and bungling - and of course a massive waste of public money. Half a billion quid at the last count. Repeat - half a billion. The list seems endless: The Canal; the World Mile, The Olympic Village; Bradford Centre Regen under the dead, useless hand of Queen (gimme the money) Maud; Willy Allslop’s Disneyland vision of the centre; the vastly overpriced City Park (since when did an dull expanse of grey concrete consitute a park?); the ludicrous Capital of Cuture bid; the Broadway debacle arriving too little and too late; the Odeon scandal... And more. Plus all the fees and consultations, freebie trips and meals and mega expensive useless publicity (anyone remember the “Rebirth of a City” campaign? That cost half a million and died). And we can do nothing. Senior council management are untouchable and unaccountable. So roll on the next regen plan folks. After all. it’s only public money. Our money, your money. Of course if we had local media that ever criticised or investigated the Regen Nazis, things might be different. But this is Barfdord.[/p][/quote]Bloody bradford council don't invest in the city, get em out clueless, useless, couldn't organise a pee up in a brewery blah blah blah Bloody bradford council investing in the city how dare they get em out useless clueless.... Blah blah blah Fighting a losing battle me thinks. ever the optimist
  • Score: 1

10:34pm Sat 12 Jul 14

What?,when?,where? says...

What does Bradford need? c'mon guys/gals what does Bradford need, I know i know, plenty of things, but **** it, more than anything else we need a swimming pool, ok ok we already have some swimming pools, but we don't have the wit to think of anything else, so swimming pool it is.
if you pay council tax then you will sleep soundly tonight. sleep tight you crazy butterfly front crawl swim buffs.
What does Bradford need? c'mon guys/gals what does Bradford need, I know i know, plenty of things, but **** it, more than anything else we need a swimming pool, ok ok we already have some swimming pools, but we don't have the wit to think of anything else, so swimming pool it is. if you pay council tax then you will sleep soundly tonight. sleep tight you crazy butterfly front crawl swim buffs. What?,when?,where?
  • Score: 1

11:37am Tue 15 Jul 14

Danger Mouse Bantam says...

Thought there was talk of the old sortingsorting office being used for land for a leisure complex? Would be ideally situated there. A modern state of the art swimming/ice rink leisure complex would certainly put us back on the map! Some investment into an Ice Hockey team too.... Other smaller towns do it so why can't Bradford as its supposed to be one of Britains biggest citys!!
Thought there was talk of the old sortingsorting office being used for land for a leisure complex? Would be ideally situated there. A modern state of the art swimming/ice rink leisure complex would certainly put us back on the map! Some investment into an Ice Hockey team too.... Other smaller towns do it so why can't Bradford as its supposed to be one of Britains biggest citys!! Danger Mouse Bantam
  • Score: 0

6:48pm Tue 15 Jul 14

bcfc1903 says...

idf fanclub wrote:
Brownie...

"...expert on toilets?" Maybe you have a point . Usually when I read your sycophantic Barfdord Kouncil posts, I head straight for one.

Err... "tut, tut, quote" what? The Regen Nazis' track record is there for all to see. Check out my previous posts which seem to gone over your head. Better still, under the FOI acts, get the gory details from the Council Finance Dept.

Keep on with the brown nosing. Must be a full time job. A joy to read and makes all our days worthwhile.

Are you Reno The Wonderful? In yet another id. Famous for his total adulation of all things Barfdord. If not, you two can have a grovelling contest - how about in the City Park? We could sell tickets. Make it an event.

PS: yes we need a pool. A 50 metre one. SAP. But... looking at the Regen Nazis' abilities - don't hold your breath. If the Broadway Shoppawoppa experience is anything to go by - you should be diving in about 2030.
Wow, what utter tripe you spout, your posts are like turds that wont flush,

I think this Bradford Council is doing a great job, the best Bradford has had for years, possibly in my lifetime.

Sounds a good idea to me. Didn't like the original scheme which had it located in the Odeon Building. This seems a good location near the interchange but not a key location like the Odeon. Good news, hopefully it will be a success!!!
[quote][p][bold]idf fanclub[/bold] wrote: Brownie... "...expert on toilets?" Maybe you have a point . Usually when I read your sycophantic Barfdord Kouncil posts, I head straight for one. Err... "tut, tut, quote" what? The Regen Nazis' track record is there for all to see. Check out my previous posts which seem to gone over your head. Better still, under the FOI acts, get the gory details from the Council Finance Dept. Keep on with the brown nosing. Must be a full time job. A joy to read and makes all our days worthwhile. Are you Reno The Wonderful? In yet another id. Famous for his total adulation of all things Barfdord. If not, you two can have a grovelling contest - how about in the City Park? We could sell tickets. Make it an event. PS: yes we need a pool. A 50 metre one. SAP. But... looking at the Regen Nazis' abilities - don't hold your breath. If the Broadway Shoppawoppa experience is anything to go by - you should be diving in about 2030.[/p][/quote]Wow, what utter tripe you spout, your posts are like turds that wont flush, I think this Bradford Council is doing a great job, the best Bradford has had for years, possibly in my lifetime. Sounds a good idea to me. Didn't like the original scheme which had it located in the Odeon Building. This seems a good location near the interchange but not a key location like the Odeon. Good news, hopefully it will be a success!!! bcfc1903
  • Score: 0
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