Shipley store wars appear to be over

Bradford Telegraph and Argus: Crossley Evans Boss, Matthew Evans (front) and staff John Bentley, Tony Bird and Mark Hodgson. Crossley Evans Boss, Matthew Evans (front) and staff John Bentley, Tony Bird and Mark Hodgson.

Workers at a Shipley recycling business are celebrating after the sudden collapse of a bid to build a supermarket on the century-old Crossley Evans site.

Some 60 jobs have now been saved and Morrisons will be the town's only new supermarket after developers dramatically ditched their fight to build on land beside Otley Road.

News broke yesterday that GMI Developments had aborted two appeals against Bradford Council planners' refusal to permit the Otley Road scheme.

Councillor Mike Ellis, who sat on the panel which went against officer's recommendation, was due to speak at the planning inspectorate appeal scheduled for September.

But he got an early morning email to say GMI, together with partners Network Rail and DB Schenker (Rail) UK, had pulled out of the process.

"We saw fit to go against the officers and I'm absolutely delighted as it preserves existing jobs," Cllr Ellis said.

When the T&A told Crossley Evans' boss Matthew Evans that the threat of development had been lifted, he described the news as "tremendous."

He said: "We are very pleased to hear that GMI and their partners are withdrawing their appeal.

"The threat to the jobs on our sites and the proud heritage of recycling we have in Shipley has been a significant burden and one that has had an impact on every member of our staff and even our suppliers and customers.

"This welcome news now allows us to refocus on our investment in the local community and our ambitious plans to introduce more advanced recycling systems.

"We would like to thank the community within Shipley and the wider area for their unwavering support."

Shipley MP Philip Davies said: "This is absolutely brilliant news for Shipley and for the workers at Crossley Evans.

"And I must say it's refreshing to see developers respect the views of a planning committee and the people - GMI and their partners have done the right thing."

Ward councillor for Shipley Martin Love said he was happy jobs were now safe and hoped Crossley Evans would now proceed with increased recycling projects.

Shipley traders' spokesman Barry Cooper said he was glad the wrangles had ended and said: "We look forward to how Morrisons will now come in and help the town."

Morrisons' plans for a new store with mixed commercial and housing in partnership with Skipton Properties on the Crag Road site has been impeded by Network Rail's decision not to sell needed land until after the GMI appeal had been resolved.

And Windhill and Wrose councillor Vanda Greenwood said local people would be delighted, adding that Morrisons would be "fantastic."

Chris Gilman, managing director of GMI Developments, said; “We have a long and successful relationship with Bradford Council and whilst naturally disappointed that on this occasion, our scheme which had the clear support from all the external consultants who recognised its numerous and far-reaching benefits, was not supported by members, we respect their decision.

"We understand that our partner Network Rail intends to make the necessary land available to the Council thus enabling the alternative scheme to progress.

"We do however remain firmly committed to continuing our contribution to the regeneration of the whole Bradford area through delivering high quality sustainable developments and we look forward to embarking on future projects within the district," Mr Gilman said.

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9:04am Wed 25 Jun 14

Victor Clayton says...

great
great Victor Clayton
  • Score: 8

9:13am Wed 25 Jun 14

bcfc1903 says...

Great news, the Crossley Evans site was never the right place to have a supermarket. Common sense prevails plus very good news for Shipley!!!.
Great news, the Crossley Evans site was never the right place to have a supermarket. Common sense prevails plus very good news for Shipley!!!. bcfc1903
  • Score: -7

9:51am Wed 25 Jun 14

BaildonGuy says...

Very good news indeed. The Council now needs to explain why its planning department was so much in favour of the Crossley Evans site. Anybody could see that this was a non starter.
Very good news indeed. The Council now needs to explain why its planning department was so much in favour of the Crossley Evans site. Anybody could see that this was a non starter. BaildonGuy
  • Score: 35

9:56am Wed 25 Jun 14

FinlandStation says...

bcfc1903 wrote:
Great news, the Crossley Evans site was never the right place to have a supermarket. Common sense prevails plus very good news for Shipley!!!.
It's a pity the Council didn't display some of that common sense to start with. They should never have encouraged the GMI developers in the first place.

I suppose an apology from Councillors Slater and Hinchcliffe would be out of the question?
[quote][p][bold]bcfc1903[/bold] wrote: Great news, the Crossley Evans site was never the right place to have a supermarket. Common sense prevails plus very good news for Shipley!!!.[/p][/quote]It's a pity the Council didn't display some of that common sense to start with. They should never have encouraged the GMI developers in the first place. I suppose an apology from Councillors Slater and Hinchcliffe would be out of the question? FinlandStation
  • Score: 30

9:59am Wed 25 Jun 14

Madam meow says...

Brilliant news that common sense has prevailed. well done to everyone who signed the up to support Crossley Evans and their staff.
Brilliant news that common sense has prevailed. well done to everyone who signed the up to support Crossley Evans and their staff. Madam meow
  • Score: 8

10:01am Wed 25 Jun 14

Silsdenman says...

This is good news. Morrison's last minute strategy was brilliant and more than a little mischievous.
This is good news. Morrison's last minute strategy was brilliant and more than a little mischievous. Silsdenman
  • Score: 7

10:16am Wed 25 Jun 14

Joedavid says...

Silsdenman wrote:
This is good news. Morrison's last minute strategy was brilliant and more than a little mischievous.
Wonder if they will actually build it though Morrisons not doing very in the marketplace these days from media reports they are struggling.
4 pints of milk at Morrisons £1.39 at Tesco it is a £1 why 39% higher?
Maybe Shipley you can afford Morrison prices.
[quote][p][bold]Silsdenman[/bold] wrote: This is good news. Morrison's last minute strategy was brilliant and more than a little mischievous.[/p][/quote]Wonder if they will actually build it though Morrisons not doing very in the marketplace these days from media reports they are struggling. 4 pints of milk at Morrisons £1.39 at Tesco it is a £1 why 39% higher? Maybe Shipley you can afford Morrison prices. Joedavid
  • Score: -19

10:21am Wed 25 Jun 14

bunnyson says...

Proof, that if local opinion is pooled in the right way, most things can be achieved. People have to fight to put forward their views and not be afraid to speak out as necessary. Well done to the local campaigners who co-ordinated the fight against this planning application and refused to back down or be kept quiet. Good on those who signed petitions, wrote letters of objection and stood outside the Library for two days. Thanks to the support of those Councillors who cared enough in Shipley and Windhill, and thanks to the planning committee who went against the wishes of the council employees. That was true democracy at work. Let this be a warning to any other innapropriate planning applications, they will go the same way. Shipley needs a vibrant shopping centre, not more Supermarkets.
Proof, that if local opinion is pooled in the right way, most things can be achieved. People have to fight to put forward their views and not be afraid to speak out as necessary. Well done to the local campaigners who co-ordinated the fight against this planning application and refused to back down or be kept quiet. Good on those who signed petitions, wrote letters of objection and stood outside the Library for two days. Thanks to the support of those Councillors who cared enough in Shipley and Windhill, and thanks to the planning committee who went against the wishes of the council employees. That was true democracy at work. Let this be a warning to any other innapropriate planning applications, they will go the same way. Shipley needs a vibrant shopping centre, not more Supermarkets. bunnyson
  • Score: 25

10:38am Wed 25 Jun 14

Albion. says...

bunnyson wrote:
Proof, that if local opinion is pooled in the right way, most things can be achieved. People have to fight to put forward their views and not be afraid to speak out as necessary. Well done to the local campaigners who co-ordinated the fight against this planning application and refused to back down or be kept quiet. Good on those who signed petitions, wrote letters of objection and stood outside the Library for two days. Thanks to the support of those Councillors who cared enough in Shipley and Windhill, and thanks to the planning committee who went against the wishes of the council employees. That was true democracy at work. Let this be a warning to any other innapropriate planning applications, they will go the same way. Shipley needs a vibrant shopping centre, not more Supermarkets.
But this IS another supermarket and ISN'T in the shopping centre!

Having said that, It's the scheme I always wanted and it will bring much more to the wider area than either of the other schemes.
[quote][p][bold]bunnyson[/bold] wrote: Proof, that if local opinion is pooled in the right way, most things can be achieved. People have to fight to put forward their views and not be afraid to speak out as necessary. Well done to the local campaigners who co-ordinated the fight against this planning application and refused to back down or be kept quiet. Good on those who signed petitions, wrote letters of objection and stood outside the Library for two days. Thanks to the support of those Councillors who cared enough in Shipley and Windhill, and thanks to the planning committee who went against the wishes of the council employees. That was true democracy at work. Let this be a warning to any other innapropriate planning applications, they will go the same way. Shipley needs a vibrant shopping centre, not more Supermarkets.[/p][/quote]But this IS another supermarket and ISN'T in the shopping centre! Having said that, It's the scheme I always wanted and it will bring much more to the wider area than either of the other schemes. Albion.
  • Score: 3

10:54am Wed 25 Jun 14

NattyBumpo says...

This is brilliant news and I am delighted for everyone at Crossley Evans, and for everyone who stood to suffer is the superstore had been built at the Otley Road site.

Serious questions need to be asked of the Bradford Planning department now. Why were they so keen to press ahead with this scheme and support the developers, and why do we allow self interested consultancies to inform council planning decisions?

I hope that this is an end to the matter and that Crossley Evans will be left to get on with business, build the bio fuel facility and create much needed employment for Shipley.
This is brilliant news and I am delighted for everyone at Crossley Evans, and for everyone who stood to suffer is the superstore had been built at the Otley Road site. Serious questions need to be asked of the Bradford Planning department now. Why were they so keen to press ahead with this scheme and support the developers, and why do we allow self interested consultancies to inform council planning decisions? I hope that this is an end to the matter and that Crossley Evans will be left to get on with business, build the bio fuel facility and create much needed employment for Shipley. NattyBumpo
  • Score: 27

11:32am Wed 25 Jun 14

bcfc1903 says...

FinlandStation wrote:
bcfc1903 wrote:
Great news, the Crossley Evans site was never the right place to have a supermarket. Common sense prevails plus very good news for Shipley!!!.
It's a pity the Council didn't display some of that common sense to start with. They should never have encouraged the GMI developers in the first place.

I suppose an apology from Councillors Slater and Hinchcliffe would be out of the question?
The correct decision was made by the council, so no apology is needed.
[quote][p][bold]FinlandStation[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]bcfc1903[/bold] wrote: Great news, the Crossley Evans site was never the right place to have a supermarket. Common sense prevails plus very good news for Shipley!!!.[/p][/quote]It's a pity the Council didn't display some of that common sense to start with. They should never have encouraged the GMI developers in the first place. I suppose an apology from Councillors Slater and Hinchcliffe would be out of the question?[/p][/quote]The correct decision was made by the council, so no apology is needed. bcfc1903
  • Score: -19

11:42am Wed 25 Jun 14

bluebluerobin says...

Good news for Shipley. But what of the bigger picture?

The Labour Group have shown startlingly bad judgement here in backing an outside developer not only against the will of its citizens but also against the best interests of local businesses (Morrisons and Crossley Evans). How can Cllr Green claim that his Producer City fantasy is making Bradford fit for business when he can’t even support the ones he’s lucky enough to have.
Good news for Shipley. But what of the bigger picture? The Labour Group have shown startlingly bad judgement here in backing an outside developer not only against the will of its citizens but also against the best interests of local businesses (Morrisons and Crossley Evans). How can Cllr Green claim that his Producer City fantasy is making Bradford fit for business when he can’t even support the ones he’s lucky enough to have. bluebluerobin
  • Score: 38

12:01pm Wed 25 Jun 14

baildongreen says...

bcfc1903 wrote:
FinlandStation wrote:
bcfc1903 wrote:
Great news, the Crossley Evans site was never the right place to have a supermarket. Common sense prevails plus very good news for Shipley!!!.
It's a pity the Council didn't display some of that common sense to start with. They should never have encouraged the GMI developers in the first place.

I suppose an apology from Councillors Slater and Hinchcliffe would be out of the question?
The correct decision was made by the council, so no apology is needed.
Stop toadying. It's getting nauseating. And stop rewriting history.

The Council unashamedly backed the Crossley Evans site thereby ignoring its own citizens and slapping local businesses in the face. The Council only changed their mind when faced with overwhelming public opposition, otherwise the Council would have continued to support the out-of-town get rich quick merchants.

The correct decision had to be forced on the Council. Frankly this demonstrates incompetence and questionable motives. So yes, Cllrs. Slater and Hinchcliffe should apologise for getting it wrong.
[quote][p][bold]bcfc1903[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]FinlandStation[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]bcfc1903[/bold] wrote: Great news, the Crossley Evans site was never the right place to have a supermarket. Common sense prevails plus very good news for Shipley!!!.[/p][/quote]It's a pity the Council didn't display some of that common sense to start with. They should never have encouraged the GMI developers in the first place. I suppose an apology from Councillors Slater and Hinchcliffe would be out of the question?[/p][/quote]The correct decision was made by the council, so no apology is needed.[/p][/quote]Stop toadying. It's getting nauseating. And stop rewriting history. The Council unashamedly backed the Crossley Evans site thereby ignoring its own citizens and slapping local businesses in the face. The Council only changed their mind when faced with overwhelming public opposition, otherwise the Council would have continued to support the out-of-town get rich quick merchants. The correct decision had to be forced on the Council. Frankly this demonstrates incompetence and questionable motives. So yes, Cllrs. Slater and Hinchcliffe should apologise for getting it wrong. baildongreen
  • Score: 26

1:05pm Wed 25 Jun 14

bcfc1903 says...

baildongreen wrote:
bcfc1903 wrote:
FinlandStation wrote:
bcfc1903 wrote:
Great news, the Crossley Evans site was never the right place to have a supermarket. Common sense prevails plus very good news for Shipley!!!.
It's a pity the Council didn't display some of that common sense to start with. They should never have encouraged the GMI developers in the first place.

I suppose an apology from Councillors Slater and Hinchcliffe would be out of the question?
The correct decision was made by the council, so no apology is needed.
Stop toadying. It's getting nauseating. And stop rewriting history.

The Council unashamedly backed the Crossley Evans site thereby ignoring its own citizens and slapping local businesses in the face. The Council only changed their mind when faced with overwhelming public opposition, otherwise the Council would have continued to support the out-of-town get rich quick merchants.

The correct decision had to be forced on the Council. Frankly this demonstrates incompetence and questionable motives. So yes, Cllrs. Slater and Hinchcliffe should apologise for getting it wrong.
I thought the original verdict was wrong, I signed the Crossley Evans petition :-) but the right decision was made eventually. As for an apology, just so much hot air. Just be glad that this whole sad episode is consigned to the bin and Shipley will get the right scheme in the right location.
[quote][p][bold]baildongreen[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]bcfc1903[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]FinlandStation[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]bcfc1903[/bold] wrote: Great news, the Crossley Evans site was never the right place to have a supermarket. Common sense prevails plus very good news for Shipley!!!.[/p][/quote]It's a pity the Council didn't display some of that common sense to start with. They should never have encouraged the GMI developers in the first place. I suppose an apology from Councillors Slater and Hinchcliffe would be out of the question?[/p][/quote]The correct decision was made by the council, so no apology is needed.[/p][/quote]Stop toadying. It's getting nauseating. And stop rewriting history. The Council unashamedly backed the Crossley Evans site thereby ignoring its own citizens and slapping local businesses in the face. The Council only changed their mind when faced with overwhelming public opposition, otherwise the Council would have continued to support the out-of-town get rich quick merchants. The correct decision had to be forced on the Council. Frankly this demonstrates incompetence and questionable motives. So yes, Cllrs. Slater and Hinchcliffe should apologise for getting it wrong.[/p][/quote]I thought the original verdict was wrong, I signed the Crossley Evans petition :-) but the right decision was made eventually. As for an apology, just so much hot air. Just be glad that this whole sad episode is consigned to the bin and Shipley will get the right scheme in the right location. bcfc1903
  • Score: -15

1:39pm Wed 25 Jun 14

Storck says...

I thought Crossley Evans had been given notice to leave by the owners.
Unless that has been taken back then they will still need to find a new home.
I thought Crossley Evans had been given notice to leave by the owners. Unless that has been taken back then they will still need to find a new home. Storck
  • Score: 12

2:17pm Wed 25 Jun 14

basil fawlty says...

Good news! Far too many times have we seen bad decision making leading to the demise of the Bradford area. Bradford Councillors and the timeservers in the planning department should not be allowed to keep playing politics or looking after their own personal interests when they should be doing what is strategically right for the people of Bradford.
Good news! Far too many times have we seen bad decision making leading to the demise of the Bradford area. Bradford Councillors and the timeservers in the planning department should not be allowed to keep playing politics or looking after their own personal interests when they should be doing what is strategically right for the people of Bradford. basil fawlty
  • Score: 19

3:34pm Wed 25 Jun 14

gouldengirl says...

Storck wrote:
I thought Crossley Evans had been given notice to leave by the owners.
Unless that has been taken back then they will still need to find a new home.
It would be a real tragedy if the site owners still went ahead and evicted Crossley Evans. This situation would never have arisen if the Council had not encouraged the developers in the first place. The Council should stop meddling in things it doesn't understand.
[quote][p][bold]Storck[/bold] wrote: I thought Crossley Evans had been given notice to leave by the owners. Unless that has been taken back then they will still need to find a new home.[/p][/quote]It would be a real tragedy if the site owners still went ahead and evicted Crossley Evans. This situation would never have arisen if the Council had not encouraged the developers in the first place. The Council should stop meddling in things it doesn't understand. gouldengirl
  • Score: 21

3:54pm Wed 25 Jun 14

bwwb says...

The problem with the Morrison site is that it ends once and for all any chance of the Eastern by-pass being built thus condemning Shipley to continuing traffic chaos
However nothing had been done in the last 50 years so it was unlikely to have been built anyway
The problem with the Morrison site is that it ends once and for all any chance of the Eastern by-pass being built thus condemning Shipley to continuing traffic chaos However nothing had been done in the last 50 years so it was unlikely to have been built anyway bwwb
  • Score: 6

4:06pm Wed 25 Jun 14

baildongreen says...

bcfc1903 wrote:
baildongreen wrote:
bcfc1903 wrote:
FinlandStation wrote:
bcfc1903 wrote:
Great news, the Crossley Evans site was never the right place to have a supermarket. Common sense prevails plus very good news for Shipley!!!.
It's a pity the Council didn't display some of that common sense to start with. They should never have encouraged the GMI developers in the first place.

I suppose an apology from Councillors Slater and Hinchcliffe would be out of the question?
The correct decision was made by the council, so no apology is needed.
Stop toadying. It's getting nauseating. And stop rewriting history.

The Council unashamedly backed the Crossley Evans site thereby ignoring its own citizens and slapping local businesses in the face. The Council only changed their mind when faced with overwhelming public opposition, otherwise the Council would have continued to support the out-of-town get rich quick merchants.

The correct decision had to be forced on the Council. Frankly this demonstrates incompetence and questionable motives. So yes, Cllrs. Slater and Hinchcliffe should apologise for getting it wrong.
I thought the original verdict was wrong, I signed the Crossley Evans petition :-) but the right decision was made eventually. As for an apology, just so much hot air. Just be glad that this whole sad episode is consigned to the bin and Shipley will get the right scheme in the right location.
I wish you would make you mind up. First you claim that the Council made the right decision supporting GMI over local businesses, then you say that you signed the petition against them. Is this what passes for clear thinking at City Hall. Or are you just a politician who follows the prevailing wind?

You’re probably right about the apology: from those Councillors it would only be an exercise in vapid insincerity delivered from the arrogance of unassailable power. They would still go on pursuing their own sectional interests rather than serving the people of Bradford.
[quote][p][bold]bcfc1903[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]baildongreen[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]bcfc1903[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]FinlandStation[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]bcfc1903[/bold] wrote: Great news, the Crossley Evans site was never the right place to have a supermarket. Common sense prevails plus very good news for Shipley!!!.[/p][/quote]It's a pity the Council didn't display some of that common sense to start with. They should never have encouraged the GMI developers in the first place. I suppose an apology from Councillors Slater and Hinchcliffe would be out of the question?[/p][/quote]The correct decision was made by the council, so no apology is needed.[/p][/quote]Stop toadying. It's getting nauseating. And stop rewriting history. The Council unashamedly backed the Crossley Evans site thereby ignoring its own citizens and slapping local businesses in the face. The Council only changed their mind when faced with overwhelming public opposition, otherwise the Council would have continued to support the out-of-town get rich quick merchants. The correct decision had to be forced on the Council. Frankly this demonstrates incompetence and questionable motives. So yes, Cllrs. Slater and Hinchcliffe should apologise for getting it wrong.[/p][/quote]I thought the original verdict was wrong, I signed the Crossley Evans petition :-) but the right decision was made eventually. As for an apology, just so much hot air. Just be glad that this whole sad episode is consigned to the bin and Shipley will get the right scheme in the right location.[/p][/quote]I wish you would make you mind up. First you claim that the Council made the right decision supporting GMI over local businesses, then you say that you signed the petition against them. Is this what passes for clear thinking at City Hall. Or are you just a politician who follows the prevailing wind? You’re probably right about the apology: from those Councillors it would only be an exercise in vapid insincerity delivered from the arrogance of unassailable power. They would still go on pursuing their own sectional interests rather than serving the people of Bradford. baildongreen
  • Score: 20

6:02pm Wed 25 Jun 14

vikksy says...

Joedavid wrote:
Silsdenman wrote:
This is good news. Morrison's last minute strategy was brilliant and more than a little mischievous.
Wonder if they will actually build it though Morrisons not doing very in the marketplace these days from media reports they are struggling.
4 pints of milk at Morrisons £1.39 at Tesco it is a £1 why 39% higher?
Maybe Shipley you can afford Morrison prices.
Which milk are you buying. I pay 84p for 4 pints of skimmed
[quote][p][bold]Joedavid[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Silsdenman[/bold] wrote: This is good news. Morrison's last minute strategy was brilliant and more than a little mischievous.[/p][/quote]Wonder if they will actually build it though Morrisons not doing very in the marketplace these days from media reports they are struggling. 4 pints of milk at Morrisons £1.39 at Tesco it is a £1 why 39% higher? Maybe Shipley you can afford Morrison prices.[/p][/quote]Which milk are you buying. I pay 84p for 4 pints of skimmed vikksy
  • Score: 2

6:34pm Wed 25 Jun 14

Joedavid says...

vikksy wrote:
Joedavid wrote:
Silsdenman wrote:
This is good news. Morrison's last minute strategy was brilliant and more than a little mischievous.
Wonder if they will actually build it though Morrisons not doing very in the marketplace these days from media reports they are struggling.
4 pints of milk at Morrisons £1.39 at Tesco it is a £1 why 39% higher?
Maybe Shipley you can afford Morrison prices.
Which milk are you buying. I pay 84p for 4 pints of skimmed
Morrisons own brand of British milk at E5 store is £1.39 for 4 pints of semi-skimmed.
Compared with Tesco own brand at £1.

I did notice that E5 have a different brand at £0.84 but there is only 2 litres in that so less than 4 pints.
[quote][p][bold]vikksy[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Joedavid[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Silsdenman[/bold] wrote: This is good news. Morrison's last minute strategy was brilliant and more than a little mischievous.[/p][/quote]Wonder if they will actually build it though Morrisons not doing very in the marketplace these days from media reports they are struggling. 4 pints of milk at Morrisons £1.39 at Tesco it is a £1 why 39% higher? Maybe Shipley you can afford Morrison prices.[/p][/quote]Which milk are you buying. I pay 84p for 4 pints of skimmed[/p][/quote]Morrisons own brand of British milk at E5 store is £1.39 for 4 pints of semi-skimmed. Compared with Tesco own brand at £1. I did notice that E5 have a different brand at £0.84 but there is only 2 litres in that so less than 4 pints. Joedavid
  • Score: -1

6:55pm Wed 25 Jun 14

MontyLeMar says...

The right decision. Well done to all who fought for the survival of Crossley Evans. I bet DB Schenker are livid. They thought they could ride rough shod over British industry. They actually thought it was reasonable to evict a viable company from a site they had been on for 100 years and push hundreds of thousand of tons of reclaimed metal off the railways and onto our already congested roads. The are a bunch of carpet baggers and I for one will never again trust the motives of German companies investing in the UK.
The right decision. Well done to all who fought for the survival of Crossley Evans. I bet DB Schenker are livid. They thought they could ride rough shod over British industry. They actually thought it was reasonable to evict a viable company from a site they had been on for 100 years and push hundreds of thousand of tons of reclaimed metal off the railways and onto our already congested roads. The are a bunch of carpet baggers and I for one will never again trust the motives of German companies investing in the UK. MontyLeMar
  • Score: 6

7:08pm Wed 25 Jun 14

bcfc1903 says...

baildongreen wrote:
bcfc1903 wrote:
baildongreen wrote:
bcfc1903 wrote:
FinlandStation wrote:
bcfc1903 wrote:
Great news, the Crossley Evans site was never the right place to have a supermarket. Common sense prevails plus very good news for Shipley!!!.
It's a pity the Council didn't display some of that common sense to start with. They should never have encouraged the GMI developers in the first place.

I suppose an apology from Councillors Slater and Hinchcliffe would be out of the question?
The correct decision was made by the council, so no apology is needed.
Stop toadying. It's getting nauseating. And stop rewriting history.

The Council unashamedly backed the Crossley Evans site thereby ignoring its own citizens and slapping local businesses in the face. The Council only changed their mind when faced with overwhelming public opposition, otherwise the Council would have continued to support the out-of-town get rich quick merchants.

The correct decision had to be forced on the Council. Frankly this demonstrates incompetence and questionable motives. So yes, Cllrs. Slater and Hinchcliffe should apologise for getting it wrong.
I thought the original verdict was wrong, I signed the Crossley Evans petition :-) but the right decision was made eventually. As for an apology, just so much hot air. Just be glad that this whole sad episode is consigned to the bin and Shipley will get the right scheme in the right location.
I wish you would make you mind up. First you claim that the Council made the right decision supporting GMI over local businesses, then you say that you signed the petition against them. Is this what passes for clear thinking at City Hall. Or are you just a politician who follows the prevailing wind?

You’re probably right about the apology: from those Councillors it would only be an exercise in vapid insincerity delivered from the arrogance of unassailable power. They would still go on pursuing their own sectional interests rather than serving the people of Bradford.
What absolute tosh, I take it you make it up as you go along. The Council did make the correct decision in going with the Morrisons scheme.

Read my original post carefully below......:-)

Great news, the Crossley Evans site was never the right place to have a supermarket. Common sense prevails plus very good news for Shipley!!!.
[quote][p][bold]baildongreen[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]bcfc1903[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]baildongreen[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]bcfc1903[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]FinlandStation[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]bcfc1903[/bold] wrote: Great news, the Crossley Evans site was never the right place to have a supermarket. Common sense prevails plus very good news for Shipley!!!.[/p][/quote]It's a pity the Council didn't display some of that common sense to start with. They should never have encouraged the GMI developers in the first place. I suppose an apology from Councillors Slater and Hinchcliffe would be out of the question?[/p][/quote]The correct decision was made by the council, so no apology is needed.[/p][/quote]Stop toadying. It's getting nauseating. And stop rewriting history. The Council unashamedly backed the Crossley Evans site thereby ignoring its own citizens and slapping local businesses in the face. The Council only changed their mind when faced with overwhelming public opposition, otherwise the Council would have continued to support the out-of-town get rich quick merchants. The correct decision had to be forced on the Council. Frankly this demonstrates incompetence and questionable motives. So yes, Cllrs. Slater and Hinchcliffe should apologise for getting it wrong.[/p][/quote]I thought the original verdict was wrong, I signed the Crossley Evans petition :-) but the right decision was made eventually. As for an apology, just so much hot air. Just be glad that this whole sad episode is consigned to the bin and Shipley will get the right scheme in the right location.[/p][/quote]I wish you would make you mind up. First you claim that the Council made the right decision supporting GMI over local businesses, then you say that you signed the petition against them. Is this what passes for clear thinking at City Hall. Or are you just a politician who follows the prevailing wind? You’re probably right about the apology: from those Councillors it would only be an exercise in vapid insincerity delivered from the arrogance of unassailable power. They would still go on pursuing their own sectional interests rather than serving the people of Bradford.[/p][/quote]What absolute tosh, I take it you make it up as you go along. The Council did make the correct decision in going with the Morrisons scheme. Read my original post carefully below......:-) Great news, the Crossley Evans site was never the right place to have a supermarket. Common sense prevails plus very good news for Shipley!!!. bcfc1903
  • Score: -8

7:40pm Wed 25 Jun 14

baildongreen says...

bcfc1903 wrote:
baildongreen wrote:
bcfc1903 wrote:
baildongreen wrote:
bcfc1903 wrote:
FinlandStation wrote:
bcfc1903 wrote:
Great news, the Crossley Evans site was never the right place to have a supermarket. Common sense prevails plus very good news for Shipley!!!.
It's a pity the Council didn't display some of that common sense to start with. They should never have encouraged the GMI developers in the first place.

I suppose an apology from Councillors Slater and Hinchcliffe would be out of the question?
The correct decision was made by the council, so no apology is needed.
Stop toadying. It's getting nauseating. And stop rewriting history.

The Council unashamedly backed the Crossley Evans site thereby ignoring its own citizens and slapping local businesses in the face. The Council only changed their mind when faced with overwhelming public opposition, otherwise the Council would have continued to support the out-of-town get rich quick merchants.

The correct decision had to be forced on the Council. Frankly this demonstrates incompetence and questionable motives. So yes, Cllrs. Slater and Hinchcliffe should apologise for getting it wrong.
I thought the original verdict was wrong, I signed the Crossley Evans petition :-) but the right decision was made eventually. As for an apology, just so much hot air. Just be glad that this whole sad episode is consigned to the bin and Shipley will get the right scheme in the right location.
I wish you would make you mind up. First you claim that the Council made the right decision supporting GMI over local businesses, then you say that you signed the petition against them. Is this what passes for clear thinking at City Hall. Or are you just a politician who follows the prevailing wind?

You’re probably right about the apology: from those Councillors it would only be an exercise in vapid insincerity delivered from the arrogance of unassailable power. They would still go on pursuing their own sectional interests rather than serving the people of Bradford.
What absolute tosh, I take it you make it up as you go along. The Council did make the correct decision in going with the Morrisons scheme.

Read my original post carefully below......:-)

Great news, the Crossley Evans site was never the right place to have a supermarket. Common sense prevails plus very good news for Shipley!!!.
Sorry sport.. The Council's original decision was to support the GMI bid for the Crossley Evans site. That is well documented and it is a fact. The Council only changed their mind with a great deal of bad grace in the face of overwhelming public opposition. The Council in their usual underhand way then went on to assist GMI with their appeal.

The Council didn't take the second decision it was forced upon them. They should never have supported GMI in the first place; but supporting and assisting developers in the face of public opposition is the norm at City Hall. Just look at Cllr Slater and Sty Lane.
[quote][p][bold]bcfc1903[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]baildongreen[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]bcfc1903[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]baildongreen[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]bcfc1903[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]FinlandStation[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]bcfc1903[/bold] wrote: Great news, the Crossley Evans site was never the right place to have a supermarket. Common sense prevails plus very good news for Shipley!!!.[/p][/quote]It's a pity the Council didn't display some of that common sense to start with. They should never have encouraged the GMI developers in the first place. I suppose an apology from Councillors Slater and Hinchcliffe would be out of the question?[/p][/quote]The correct decision was made by the council, so no apology is needed.[/p][/quote]Stop toadying. It's getting nauseating. And stop rewriting history. The Council unashamedly backed the Crossley Evans site thereby ignoring its own citizens and slapping local businesses in the face. The Council only changed their mind when faced with overwhelming public opposition, otherwise the Council would have continued to support the out-of-town get rich quick merchants. The correct decision had to be forced on the Council. Frankly this demonstrates incompetence and questionable motives. So yes, Cllrs. Slater and Hinchcliffe should apologise for getting it wrong.[/p][/quote]I thought the original verdict was wrong, I signed the Crossley Evans petition :-) but the right decision was made eventually. As for an apology, just so much hot air. Just be glad that this whole sad episode is consigned to the bin and Shipley will get the right scheme in the right location.[/p][/quote]I wish you would make you mind up. First you claim that the Council made the right decision supporting GMI over local businesses, then you say that you signed the petition against them. Is this what passes for clear thinking at City Hall. Or are you just a politician who follows the prevailing wind? You’re probably right about the apology: from those Councillors it would only be an exercise in vapid insincerity delivered from the arrogance of unassailable power. They would still go on pursuing their own sectional interests rather than serving the people of Bradford.[/p][/quote]What absolute tosh, I take it you make it up as you go along. The Council did make the correct decision in going with the Morrisons scheme. Read my original post carefully below......:-) Great news, the Crossley Evans site was never the right place to have a supermarket. Common sense prevails plus very good news for Shipley!!!.[/p][/quote]Sorry sport.. The Council's original decision was to support the GMI bid for the Crossley Evans site. That is well documented and it is a fact. The Council only changed their mind with a great deal of bad grace in the face of overwhelming public opposition. The Council in their usual underhand way then went on to assist GMI with their appeal. The Council didn't take the second decision it was forced upon them. They should never have supported GMI in the first place; but supporting and assisting developers in the face of public opposition is the norm at City Hall. Just look at Cllr Slater and Sty Lane. baildongreen
  • Score: 8

7:47pm Wed 25 Jun 14

bcfc1903 says...

baildongreen wrote:
bcfc1903 wrote:
baildongreen wrote:
bcfc1903 wrote:
baildongreen wrote:
bcfc1903 wrote:
FinlandStation wrote:
bcfc1903 wrote:
Great news, the Crossley Evans site was never the right place to have a supermarket. Common sense prevails plus very good news for Shipley!!!.
It's a pity the Council didn't display some of that common sense to start with. They should never have encouraged the GMI developers in the first place.

I suppose an apology from Councillors Slater and Hinchcliffe would be out of the question?
The correct decision was made by the council, so no apology is needed.
Stop toadying. It's getting nauseating. And stop rewriting history.

The Council unashamedly backed the Crossley Evans site thereby ignoring its own citizens and slapping local businesses in the face. The Council only changed their mind when faced with overwhelming public opposition, otherwise the Council would have continued to support the out-of-town get rich quick merchants.

The correct decision had to be forced on the Council. Frankly this demonstrates incompetence and questionable motives. So yes, Cllrs. Slater and Hinchcliffe should apologise for getting it wrong.
I thought the original verdict was wrong, I signed the Crossley Evans petition :-) but the right decision was made eventually. As for an apology, just so much hot air. Just be glad that this whole sad episode is consigned to the bin and Shipley will get the right scheme in the right location.
I wish you would make you mind up. First you claim that the Council made the right decision supporting GMI over local businesses, then you say that you signed the petition against them. Is this what passes for clear thinking at City Hall. Or are you just a politician who follows the prevailing wind?

You’re probably right about the apology: from those Councillors it would only be an exercise in vapid insincerity delivered from the arrogance of unassailable power. They would still go on pursuing their own sectional interests rather than serving the people of Bradford.
What absolute tosh, I take it you make it up as you go along. The Council did make the correct decision in going with the Morrisons scheme.

Read my original post carefully below......:-)

Great news, the Crossley Evans site was never the right place to have a supermarket. Common sense prevails plus very good news for Shipley!!!.
Sorry sport.. The Council's original decision was to support the GMI bid for the Crossley Evans site. That is well documented and it is a fact. The Council only changed their mind with a great deal of bad grace in the face of overwhelming public opposition. The Council in their usual underhand way then went on to assist GMI with their appeal.

The Council didn't take the second decision it was forced upon them. They should never have supported GMI in the first place; but supporting and assisting developers in the face of public opposition is the norm at City Hall. Just look at Cllr Slater and Sty Lane.
What's that got to do with my original post, which was......read carefully, especially the common sense bit :-)...


Great news, the Crossley Evans site was never the right place to have a supermarket. Common sense prevails plus very good news for Shipley!!!.
[quote][p][bold]baildongreen[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]bcfc1903[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]baildongreen[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]bcfc1903[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]baildongreen[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]bcfc1903[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]FinlandStation[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]bcfc1903[/bold] wrote: Great news, the Crossley Evans site was never the right place to have a supermarket. Common sense prevails plus very good news for Shipley!!!.[/p][/quote]It's a pity the Council didn't display some of that common sense to start with. They should never have encouraged the GMI developers in the first place. I suppose an apology from Councillors Slater and Hinchcliffe would be out of the question?[/p][/quote]The correct decision was made by the council, so no apology is needed.[/p][/quote]Stop toadying. It's getting nauseating. And stop rewriting history. The Council unashamedly backed the Crossley Evans site thereby ignoring its own citizens and slapping local businesses in the face. The Council only changed their mind when faced with overwhelming public opposition, otherwise the Council would have continued to support the out-of-town get rich quick merchants. The correct decision had to be forced on the Council. Frankly this demonstrates incompetence and questionable motives. So yes, Cllrs. Slater and Hinchcliffe should apologise for getting it wrong.[/p][/quote]I thought the original verdict was wrong, I signed the Crossley Evans petition :-) but the right decision was made eventually. As for an apology, just so much hot air. Just be glad that this whole sad episode is consigned to the bin and Shipley will get the right scheme in the right location.[/p][/quote]I wish you would make you mind up. First you claim that the Council made the right decision supporting GMI over local businesses, then you say that you signed the petition against them. Is this what passes for clear thinking at City Hall. Or are you just a politician who follows the prevailing wind? You’re probably right about the apology: from those Councillors it would only be an exercise in vapid insincerity delivered from the arrogance of unassailable power. They would still go on pursuing their own sectional interests rather than serving the people of Bradford.[/p][/quote]What absolute tosh, I take it you make it up as you go along. The Council did make the correct decision in going with the Morrisons scheme. Read my original post carefully below......:-) Great news, the Crossley Evans site was never the right place to have a supermarket. Common sense prevails plus very good news for Shipley!!!.[/p][/quote]Sorry sport.. The Council's original decision was to support the GMI bid for the Crossley Evans site. That is well documented and it is a fact. The Council only changed their mind with a great deal of bad grace in the face of overwhelming public opposition. The Council in their usual underhand way then went on to assist GMI with their appeal. The Council didn't take the second decision it was forced upon them. They should never have supported GMI in the first place; but supporting and assisting developers in the face of public opposition is the norm at City Hall. Just look at Cllr Slater and Sty Lane.[/p][/quote]What's that got to do with my original post, which was......read carefully, especially the common sense bit :-)... Great news, the Crossley Evans site was never the right place to have a supermarket. Common sense prevails plus very good news for Shipley!!!. bcfc1903
  • Score: -5

8:30pm Wed 25 Jun 14

baildongreen says...

bcfc1903 wrote:
baildongreen wrote:
bcfc1903 wrote:
baildongreen wrote:
bcfc1903 wrote:
baildongreen wrote:
bcfc1903 wrote:
FinlandStation wrote:
bcfc1903 wrote:
Great news, the Crossley Evans site was never the right place to have a supermarket. Common sense prevails plus very good news for Shipley!!!.
It's a pity the Council didn't display some of that common sense to start with. They should never have encouraged the GMI developers in the first place.

I suppose an apology from Councillors Slater and Hinchcliffe would be out of the question?
The correct decision was made by the council, so no apology is needed.
Stop toadying. It's getting nauseating. And stop rewriting history.

The Council unashamedly backed the Crossley Evans site thereby ignoring its own citizens and slapping local businesses in the face. The Council only changed their mind when faced with overwhelming public opposition, otherwise the Council would have continued to support the out-of-town get rich quick merchants.

The correct decision had to be forced on the Council. Frankly this demonstrates incompetence and questionable motives. So yes, Cllrs. Slater and Hinchcliffe should apologise for getting it wrong.
I thought the original verdict was wrong, I signed the Crossley Evans petition :-) but the right decision was made eventually. As for an apology, just so much hot air. Just be glad that this whole sad episode is consigned to the bin and Shipley will get the right scheme in the right location.
I wish you would make you mind up. First you claim that the Council made the right decision supporting GMI over local businesses, then you say that you signed the petition against them. Is this what passes for clear thinking at City Hall. Or are you just a politician who follows the prevailing wind?

You’re probably right about the apology: from those Councillors it would only be an exercise in vapid insincerity delivered from the arrogance of unassailable power. They would still go on pursuing their own sectional interests rather than serving the people of Bradford.
What absolute tosh, I take it you make it up as you go along. The Council did make the correct decision in going with the Morrisons scheme.

Read my original post carefully below......:-)

Great news, the Crossley Evans site was never the right place to have a supermarket. Common sense prevails plus very good news for Shipley!!!.
Sorry sport.. The Council's original decision was to support the GMI bid for the Crossley Evans site. That is well documented and it is a fact. The Council only changed their mind with a great deal of bad grace in the face of overwhelming public opposition. The Council in their usual underhand way then went on to assist GMI with their appeal.

The Council didn't take the second decision it was forced upon them. They should never have supported GMI in the first place; but supporting and assisting developers in the face of public opposition is the norm at City Hall. Just look at Cllr Slater and Sty Lane.
What's that got to do with my original post, which was......read carefully, especially the common sense bit :-)...


Great news, the Crossley Evans site was never the right place to have a supermarket. Common sense prevails plus very good news for Shipley!!!.
What you actually said was:

“The correct decision was made by the council” 11:32 post

The decision that the Council took was to support the bid for the Crossley Evans site. They were later to be forced to change their mind which they eventually did and very reluctantly too, but that is besides the point.

The point is, that given a free choice, the Council preferred to support an out-of-town developer and stab local businesses in the back as well as ignore popular opinion. That is not the correct decision under any circumstances.
[quote][p][bold]bcfc1903[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]baildongreen[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]bcfc1903[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]baildongreen[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]bcfc1903[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]baildongreen[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]bcfc1903[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]FinlandStation[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]bcfc1903[/bold] wrote: Great news, the Crossley Evans site was never the right place to have a supermarket. Common sense prevails plus very good news for Shipley!!!.[/p][/quote]It's a pity the Council didn't display some of that common sense to start with. They should never have encouraged the GMI developers in the first place. I suppose an apology from Councillors Slater and Hinchcliffe would be out of the question?[/p][/quote]The correct decision was made by the council, so no apology is needed.[/p][/quote]Stop toadying. It's getting nauseating. And stop rewriting history. The Council unashamedly backed the Crossley Evans site thereby ignoring its own citizens and slapping local businesses in the face. The Council only changed their mind when faced with overwhelming public opposition, otherwise the Council would have continued to support the out-of-town get rich quick merchants. The correct decision had to be forced on the Council. Frankly this demonstrates incompetence and questionable motives. So yes, Cllrs. Slater and Hinchcliffe should apologise for getting it wrong.[/p][/quote]I thought the original verdict was wrong, I signed the Crossley Evans petition :-) but the right decision was made eventually. As for an apology, just so much hot air. Just be glad that this whole sad episode is consigned to the bin and Shipley will get the right scheme in the right location.[/p][/quote]I wish you would make you mind up. First you claim that the Council made the right decision supporting GMI over local businesses, then you say that you signed the petition against them. Is this what passes for clear thinking at City Hall. Or are you just a politician who follows the prevailing wind? You’re probably right about the apology: from those Councillors it would only be an exercise in vapid insincerity delivered from the arrogance of unassailable power. They would still go on pursuing their own sectional interests rather than serving the people of Bradford.[/p][/quote]What absolute tosh, I take it you make it up as you go along. The Council did make the correct decision in going with the Morrisons scheme. Read my original post carefully below......:-) Great news, the Crossley Evans site was never the right place to have a supermarket. Common sense prevails plus very good news for Shipley!!!.[/p][/quote]Sorry sport.. The Council's original decision was to support the GMI bid for the Crossley Evans site. That is well documented and it is a fact. The Council only changed their mind with a great deal of bad grace in the face of overwhelming public opposition. The Council in their usual underhand way then went on to assist GMI with their appeal. The Council didn't take the second decision it was forced upon them. They should never have supported GMI in the first place; but supporting and assisting developers in the face of public opposition is the norm at City Hall. Just look at Cllr Slater and Sty Lane.[/p][/quote]What's that got to do with my original post, which was......read carefully, especially the common sense bit :-)... Great news, the Crossley Evans site was never the right place to have a supermarket. Common sense prevails plus very good news for Shipley!!!.[/p][/quote]What you actually said was: “The correct decision was made by the council” 11:32 post The decision that the Council took was to support the bid for the Crossley Evans site. They were later to be forced to change their mind which they eventually did and very reluctantly too, but that is besides the point. The point is, that given a free choice, the Council preferred to support an out-of-town developer and stab local businesses in the back as well as ignore popular opinion. That is not the correct decision under any circumstances. baildongreen
  • Score: 2

8:51pm Wed 25 Jun 14

SurprisedByJoyce says...

I think its disgusting the way the Council helps developers with their appeals and uses them as consultants. Recently we've had Sty Lane and now GMI/DB Schenker.

I don't think the Council should attract incoming companies by giving them an unfair advantage over established local firms as they have done with the Bradford Brewery in Westgate. It doesn't help Bradford and it's very disloyal.
I think its disgusting the way the Council helps developers with their appeals and uses them as consultants. Recently we've had Sty Lane and now GMI/DB Schenker. I don't think the Council should attract incoming companies by giving them an unfair advantage over established local firms as they have done with the Bradford Brewery in Westgate. It doesn't help Bradford and it's very disloyal. SurprisedByJoyce
  • Score: 0

10:15pm Wed 25 Jun 14

bcfc1903 says...

baildongreen wrote:
bcfc1903 wrote:
baildongreen wrote:
bcfc1903 wrote:
baildongreen wrote:
bcfc1903 wrote:
baildongreen wrote:
bcfc1903 wrote:
FinlandStation wrote:
bcfc1903 wrote:
Great news, the Crossley Evans site was never the right place to have a supermarket. Common sense prevails plus very good news for Shipley!!!.
It's a pity the Council didn't display some of that common sense to start with. They should never have encouraged the GMI developers in the first place.

I suppose an apology from Councillors Slater and Hinchcliffe would be out of the question?
The correct decision was made by the council, so no apology is needed.
Stop toadying. It's getting nauseating. And stop rewriting history.

The Council unashamedly backed the Crossley Evans site thereby ignoring its own citizens and slapping local businesses in the face. The Council only changed their mind when faced with overwhelming public opposition, otherwise the Council would have continued to support the out-of-town get rich quick merchants.

The correct decision had to be forced on the Council. Frankly this demonstrates incompetence and questionable motives. So yes, Cllrs. Slater and Hinchcliffe should apologise for getting it wrong.
I thought the original verdict was wrong, I signed the Crossley Evans petition :-) but the right decision was made eventually. As for an apology, just so much hot air. Just be glad that this whole sad episode is consigned to the bin and Shipley will get the right scheme in the right location.
I wish you would make you mind up. First you claim that the Council made the right decision supporting GMI over local businesses, then you say that you signed the petition against them. Is this what passes for clear thinking at City Hall. Or are you just a politician who follows the prevailing wind?

You’re probably right about the apology: from those Councillors it would only be an exercise in vapid insincerity delivered from the arrogance of unassailable power. They would still go on pursuing their own sectional interests rather than serving the people of Bradford.
What absolute tosh, I take it you make it up as you go along. The Council did make the correct decision in going with the Morrisons scheme.

Read my original post carefully below......:-)

Great news, the Crossley Evans site was never the right place to have a supermarket. Common sense prevails plus very good news for Shipley!!!.
Sorry sport.. The Council's original decision was to support the GMI bid for the Crossley Evans site. That is well documented and it is a fact. The Council only changed their mind with a great deal of bad grace in the face of overwhelming public opposition. The Council in their usual underhand way then went on to assist GMI with their appeal.

The Council didn't take the second decision it was forced upon them. They should never have supported GMI in the first place; but supporting and assisting developers in the face of public opposition is the norm at City Hall. Just look at Cllr Slater and Sty Lane.
What's that got to do with my original post, which was......read carefully, especially the common sense bit :-)...


Great news, the Crossley Evans site was never the right place to have a supermarket. Common sense prevails plus very good news for Shipley!!!.
What you actually said was:

“The correct decision was made by the council” 11:32 post

The decision that the Council took was to support the bid for the Crossley Evans site. They were later to be forced to change their mind which they eventually did and very reluctantly too, but that is besides the point.

The point is, that given a free choice, the Council preferred to support an out-of-town developer and stab local businesses in the back as well as ignore popular opinion. That is not the correct decision under any circumstances.
You do know 'Jethro Tull' named an album 'thick as a brick', try putting what I said in my second post in context with my first post :-). which was.......

Great news, the Crossley Evans site was never the right place to have a supermarket. Common sense prevails plus very good news for Shipley!!!.
[quote][p][bold]baildongreen[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]bcfc1903[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]baildongreen[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]bcfc1903[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]baildongreen[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]bcfc1903[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]baildongreen[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]bcfc1903[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]FinlandStation[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]bcfc1903[/bold] wrote: Great news, the Crossley Evans site was never the right place to have a supermarket. Common sense prevails plus very good news for Shipley!!!.[/p][/quote]It's a pity the Council didn't display some of that common sense to start with. They should never have encouraged the GMI developers in the first place. I suppose an apology from Councillors Slater and Hinchcliffe would be out of the question?[/p][/quote]The correct decision was made by the council, so no apology is needed.[/p][/quote]Stop toadying. It's getting nauseating. And stop rewriting history. The Council unashamedly backed the Crossley Evans site thereby ignoring its own citizens and slapping local businesses in the face. The Council only changed their mind when faced with overwhelming public opposition, otherwise the Council would have continued to support the out-of-town get rich quick merchants. The correct decision had to be forced on the Council. Frankly this demonstrates incompetence and questionable motives. So yes, Cllrs. Slater and Hinchcliffe should apologise for getting it wrong.[/p][/quote]I thought the original verdict was wrong, I signed the Crossley Evans petition :-) but the right decision was made eventually. As for an apology, just so much hot air. Just be glad that this whole sad episode is consigned to the bin and Shipley will get the right scheme in the right location.[/p][/quote]I wish you would make you mind up. First you claim that the Council made the right decision supporting GMI over local businesses, then you say that you signed the petition against them. Is this what passes for clear thinking at City Hall. Or are you just a politician who follows the prevailing wind? You’re probably right about the apology: from those Councillors it would only be an exercise in vapid insincerity delivered from the arrogance of unassailable power. They would still go on pursuing their own sectional interests rather than serving the people of Bradford.[/p][/quote]What absolute tosh, I take it you make it up as you go along. The Council did make the correct decision in going with the Morrisons scheme. Read my original post carefully below......:-) Great news, the Crossley Evans site was never the right place to have a supermarket. Common sense prevails plus very good news for Shipley!!!.[/p][/quote]Sorry sport.. The Council's original decision was to support the GMI bid for the Crossley Evans site. That is well documented and it is a fact. The Council only changed their mind with a great deal of bad grace in the face of overwhelming public opposition. The Council in their usual underhand way then went on to assist GMI with their appeal. The Council didn't take the second decision it was forced upon them. They should never have supported GMI in the first place; but supporting and assisting developers in the face of public opposition is the norm at City Hall. Just look at Cllr Slater and Sty Lane.[/p][/quote]What's that got to do with my original post, which was......read carefully, especially the common sense bit :-)... Great news, the Crossley Evans site was never the right place to have a supermarket. Common sense prevails plus very good news for Shipley!!!.[/p][/quote]What you actually said was: “The correct decision was made by the council” 11:32 post The decision that the Council took was to support the bid for the Crossley Evans site. They were later to be forced to change their mind which they eventually did and very reluctantly too, but that is besides the point. The point is, that given a free choice, the Council preferred to support an out-of-town developer and stab local businesses in the back as well as ignore popular opinion. That is not the correct decision under any circumstances.[/p][/quote]You do know 'Jethro Tull' named an album 'thick as a brick', try putting what I said in my second post in context with my first post :-). which was....... Great news, the Crossley Evans site was never the right place to have a supermarket. Common sense prevails plus very good news for Shipley!!!. bcfc1903
  • Score: -2

11:31pm Wed 25 Jun 14

thatsnotmyname says...

Bad news for Shipley though isn't it.
The campaign was to fight off the development of a new supermarket in Shipley (which happened to be at the scrap yard) because it would effect local trade, close down the few shops Shipley has left and draw the trade away the the centre. NOW it would seem all this was bull **** and the green minded middle class folk of Shipley actually wouldn't mind a new supermarket and all will be fine.
Bad news for Shipley though isn't it. The campaign was to fight off the development of a new supermarket in Shipley (which happened to be at the scrap yard) because it would effect local trade, close down the few shops Shipley has left and draw the trade away the the centre. NOW it would seem all this was bull **** and the green minded middle class folk of Shipley actually wouldn't mind a new supermarket and all will be fine. thatsnotmyname
  • Score: -1

6:17am Thu 26 Jun 14

khalidmalikbadass says...

Time to put new mosque on it need one in the area
Time to put new mosque on it need one in the area khalidmalikbadass
  • Score: -10

10:30am Thu 26 Jun 14

Silsdenman says...

This scuppers the Eastern by-pass plan and yet the council are just starting the pointless £3.8m scheme at junction of Canal Rd and Stanley Rd as part of some pie in the sky clear route to Shipley.
This scuppers the Eastern by-pass plan and yet the council are just starting the pointless £3.8m scheme at junction of Canal Rd and Stanley Rd as part of some pie in the sky clear route to Shipley. Silsdenman
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1:05pm Thu 26 Jun 14

bcfc1903 says...

Silsdenman wrote:
This scuppers the Eastern by-pass plan and yet the council are just starting the pointless £3.8m scheme at junction of Canal Rd and Stanley Rd as part of some pie in the sky clear route to Shipley.
I would imagine that in the future there would be a duelled carriage way all the way down to Shipley. I seem to remember that the T&A ran a story a while back regarding the scheme you mention and there was a time cut off point where Bradford Council would lose the government money in regards to this road scheme, hence the need to get it up and running quickly.
[quote][p][bold]Silsdenman[/bold] wrote: This scuppers the Eastern by-pass plan and yet the council are just starting the pointless £3.8m scheme at junction of Canal Rd and Stanley Rd as part of some pie in the sky clear route to Shipley.[/p][/quote]I would imagine that in the future there would be a duelled carriage way all the way down to Shipley. I seem to remember that the T&A ran a story a while back regarding the scheme you mention and there was a time cut off point where Bradford Council would lose the government money in regards to this road scheme, hence the need to get it up and running quickly. bcfc1903
  • Score: 2

3:17pm Thu 26 Jun 14

Silsdenman says...

They have been on about doing that for at least 35 years
This dualled bit will only be 250yds long.
They have been on about doing that for at least 35 years This dualled bit will only be 250yds long. Silsdenman
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7:05pm Thu 26 Jun 14

bcfc1903 says...

Silsdenman wrote:
They have been on about doing that for at least 35 years
This dualled bit will only be 250yds long.
I guess it's 'do this bit' with the money and hope more cash follows in the non too distant future. It's certainly a road that should be a priority for duelling especially with Westfield opening around Christmas 2015 and the amount of folk who use the road to commute and also shop in Bradford.
[quote][p][bold]Silsdenman[/bold] wrote: They have been on about doing that for at least 35 years This dualled bit will only be 250yds long.[/p][/quote]I guess it's 'do this bit' with the money and hope more cash follows in the non too distant future. It's certainly a road that should be a priority for duelling especially with Westfield opening around Christmas 2015 and the amount of folk who use the road to commute and also shop in Bradford. bcfc1903
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