Chancellor urged to clarify if high-speed trans-Pennine route will serve Bradford

Bradford Telegraph and Argus: Chancellor George Osborne Chancellor George Osborne

GEORGE Osborne has been urged to clear up confusion about whether a planned high-speed rail line across the Pennines will serve Bradford.

The Chancellor sprang a surprise yesterday when he proposed a ‘HS3’ link to slash slow journey times between Leeds and Manchester and create a “Northern powerhouse”.

But Treasury aides quickly admitted he was simply “starting a conversation” and that nothing was decided about where, when and how the line would be built.

Mr Osborne said only that it would be “based on the existing rail route”, with “new tunnels and infrastructure” to speed up much-criticised journey times

One aide told the T&A that the Treasury was open to improving either the faster Leeds-Manchester link, via Huddersfield, or the line via Bradford and Halifax.

He added: “There is no route, or detailed plan at the moment. Nothing is ruled in, or ruled out, at this stage.”

Robert Goodwill, under secretary of state for Transport, was in Bradford yesterday, and on the HS3 proposals said: “You look at the two major conurbations in the North and you have Manchester and Leeds/Bradford. Despite the fact they are only about 40 miles away from each other it still takes an hour to travel between them by train. There is a lot of potential for better connectivity between the two areas. It wouldn’t stop at every station, but it would really improve links. It is about linking all these ideas together.”

Gerry Sutcliffe, the Bradford South Labour MP, said: “The new line needs to serve Bradford and Calderdale, not just Leeds and Huddersfield - and it needs to be from Hull to Liverpool.

“The principle is right. But it takes nearly three hours to get from Liverpool to Bradford, so there needs to be some strategic thinking.”

Kris Hopkins, the Conservative MP for Keighley, welcomed the announcement, arguing there was the potential to halve the Leeds-Manchester travel time to around 25 minutes.

He said: “A new East-West connection would provide a major and permanent boost to our economy in the North.”

Council chiefs in Leeds and Manchester have been asked to put forward their ideas, ahead of a detailed proposal – by the end of the year - by the company behind the North-South HS2 network.

Meanwhile, all of West Yorkshire could be ruled by a single elected mayor, under a second initiative put forward in Mr Osborne’s Manchester speech.

The Chancellor threw his weight behind so-called ‘metro mayors’ in England’s biggest cities, with responsibility crossing local council boundaries.

And he promised ‘Boris Johnson-style’ powers and freedoms to any city which adopts “a single leader who can speak for the whole area”.

Mr Osborne said: “There’s a mis-match between the economic importance of the great northern cities and their political clout.

“I am putting on the table and starting the conversation about serious devolution of powers and budgets for any city that wants to move to a new model of city government - and have an elected mayor.”

Mr Osborne did not explicitly argue for ‘metro mayors’ but did suggest a single elected leader for Greater Manchester, covering ten local authorities.

Two years ago, voters in Bradford comprehensively rejected a ‘city mayor’ in a referendum, after the Government rejected Lord Heseltine’s plea for ‘metro mayors’ instead.

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8:24am Tue 24 Jun 14

Joedavid says...

"GEORGE Osborne has been urged to clear up confusion about whether a planned high-speed rail line across the Pennines will serve Bradford."

He said so.

But we not got a through station on the line so should be interesting how.
"GEORGE Osborne has been urged to clear up confusion about whether a planned high-speed rail line across the Pennines will serve Bradford." He said so. But we not got a through station on the line so should be interesting how. Joedavid
  • Score: 7

8:52am Tue 24 Jun 14

izzystillbreathing says...

Of course the line will miss Bradford, everything good misses Bradford. And there's no chance of a metro mayor either. Dave Green only speaks for his small clique of hangers-on
Of course the line will miss Bradford, everything good misses Bradford. And there's no chance of a metro mayor either. Dave Green only speaks for his small clique of hangers-on izzystillbreathing
  • Score: 17

8:55am Tue 24 Jun 14

Grumpygirl says...

Every opportunity passes us by, it's just that HS3 will do it quicker than most.
Every opportunity passes us by, it's just that HS3 will do it quicker than most. Grumpygirl
  • Score: 22

9:00am Tue 24 Jun 14

bluebluerobin says...

The Chancellors speech presented some interesting opportunities for the economic well being of Bradford and its governance. Interestingly and typically there hasn’t been a word from the Labour Group or the Council’s Press Office. They are letting petty political jealousy get in the way of Bradford’s regeneration.
The Chancellors speech presented some interesting opportunities for the economic well being of Bradford and its governance. Interestingly and typically there hasn’t been a word from the Labour Group or the Council’s Press Office. They are letting petty political jealousy get in the way of Bradford’s regeneration. bluebluerobin
  • Score: 21

9:15am Tue 24 Jun 14

Idle HG says...

Don't get excited, the Osborne stated this is only a 'dialogue'

That means, like all government statements about improving the north of the country, this will get buried after the next election when the conned have re-elected which ever group has spun the largest web of untruths and deceptions.
Don't get excited, the Osborne stated this is only a 'dialogue' That means, like all government statements about improving the north of the country, this will get buried after the next election when the conned have re-elected which ever group has spun the largest web of untruths and deceptions. Idle HG
  • Score: 0

10:26am Tue 24 Jun 14

gouldengirl says...

As I understand it, HS3 will knock 15 minutes off the journey time between Manchester and Leeds. I'm sorry but I can't see this making a blind bit of difference to our economic outlook. You could easily loose those 15 minutes waiting fro a bus or queueing for a taxi at the station.
As I understand it, HS3 will knock 15 minutes off the journey time between Manchester and Leeds. I'm sorry but I can't see this making a blind bit of difference to our economic outlook. You could easily loose those 15 minutes waiting fro a bus or queueing for a taxi at the station. gouldengirl
  • Score: 16

10:33am Tue 24 Jun 14

bcfc1903 says...

If they do build this and it's a big if, of course it should serve Bradford. As one of the biggest cities in the UK it would make little sense to bypass it. As Gerry Sutcliffe said, if built it should serve Liverpool, Manchester, Bradford, Leeds and Hull. I'm highly sceptical about the whole HS2/HS3 schemes and what benefits for the massive outlay of cash they would actually bring to Bradford, West Yorkshire and the North.

Bradford was supposedly to get direct services to Liverpool Lime Street, Chester and Manchester Airport, as yet no sign of these, the Caldervale line direct to Manchester has yet to be electrified, all things that would be for a fraction of the price far more beneficial to the Bradford district than this pie in the sky scheme.
If they do build this and it's a big if, of course it should serve Bradford. As one of the biggest cities in the UK it would make little sense to bypass it. As Gerry Sutcliffe said, if built it should serve Liverpool, Manchester, Bradford, Leeds and Hull. I'm highly sceptical about the whole HS2/HS3 schemes and what benefits for the massive outlay of cash they would actually bring to Bradford, West Yorkshire and the North. Bradford was supposedly to get direct services to Liverpool Lime Street, Chester and Manchester Airport, as yet no sign of these, the Caldervale line direct to Manchester has yet to be electrified, all things that would be for a fraction of the price far more beneficial to the Bradford district than this pie in the sky scheme. bcfc1903
  • Score: -5

10:36am Tue 24 Jun 14

Apollo says...

There is no way that a HS3 can do other than bypass Bradford. The only 'fast' route would be via Huddersfield like the existing 'fast' line.
There is no way that a HS3 can do other than bypass Bradford. The only 'fast' route would be via Huddersfield like the existing 'fast' line. Apollo
  • Score: 12

10:38am Tue 24 Jun 14

pcmanners says...

If there is a need for the scheme then the market will attract the capital. There is no need for Government intervention. Mr. Osborne should not indulge in socialist policies.
If there is a need for the scheme then the market will attract the capital. There is no need for Government intervention. Mr. Osborne should not indulge in socialist policies. pcmanners
  • Score: 9

11:19am Tue 24 Jun 14

Albion. says...

izzystillbreathing wrote:
Of course the line will miss Bradford, everything good misses Bradford. And there's no chance of a metro mayor either. Dave Green only speaks for his small clique of hangers-on
I thought the voters had already dismissed the idea of a Metro Mayor.
[quote][p][bold]izzystillbreathing[/bold] wrote: Of course the line will miss Bradford, everything good misses Bradford. And there's no chance of a metro mayor either. Dave Green only speaks for his small clique of hangers-on[/p][/quote]I thought the voters had already dismissed the idea of a Metro Mayor. Albion.
  • Score: -3

12:55pm Tue 24 Jun 14

David Shaw says...

the current fast train from Bradford to Man Victoria takes just over the hour, a faster way to get to Manchester would be not to stop anywhere in between, as I assume the HS3 wouldn't ...that would easily knock off 15 - 20 minutes...
the current fast train from Bradford to Man Victoria takes just over the hour, a faster way to get to Manchester would be not to stop anywhere in between, as I assume the HS3 wouldn't ...that would easily knock off 15 - 20 minutes... David Shaw
  • Score: 10

1:04pm Tue 24 Jun 14

FinlandStation says...

bcfc1903 wrote:
If they do build this and it's a big if, of course it should serve Bradford. As one of the biggest cities in the UK it would make little sense to bypass it. As Gerry Sutcliffe said, if built it should serve Liverpool, Manchester, Bradford, Leeds and Hull. I'm highly sceptical about the whole HS2/HS3 schemes and what benefits for the massive outlay of cash they would actually bring to Bradford, West Yorkshire and the North.

Bradford was supposedly to get direct services to Liverpool Lime Street, Chester and Manchester Airport, as yet no sign of these, the Caldervale line direct to Manchester has yet to be electrified, all things that would be for a fraction of the price far more beneficial to the Bradford district than this pie in the sky scheme.
Thank you for reminding us of the catalogue of failed initiatives that were supposed to help regenerate Bradford bur never happened.

If memory serves, these schemes were proposed under Councils of all political hues, so, for once, it would be unfair to blame our venal and uninspiring political leaders. As the only common factor, the blame must lie with the Council's Officers. Time for a clear out?
[quote][p][bold]bcfc1903[/bold] wrote: If they do build this and it's a big if, of course it should serve Bradford. As one of the biggest cities in the UK it would make little sense to bypass it. As Gerry Sutcliffe said, if built it should serve Liverpool, Manchester, Bradford, Leeds and Hull. I'm highly sceptical about the whole HS2/HS3 schemes and what benefits for the massive outlay of cash they would actually bring to Bradford, West Yorkshire and the North. Bradford was supposedly to get direct services to Liverpool Lime Street, Chester and Manchester Airport, as yet no sign of these, the Caldervale line direct to Manchester has yet to be electrified, all things that would be for a fraction of the price far more beneficial to the Bradford district than this pie in the sky scheme.[/p][/quote]Thank you for reminding us of the catalogue of failed initiatives that were supposed to help regenerate Bradford bur never happened. If memory serves, these schemes were proposed under Councils of all political hues, so, for once, it would be unfair to blame our venal and uninspiring political leaders. As the only common factor, the blame must lie with the Council's Officers. Time for a clear out? FinlandStation
  • Score: 10

2:59pm Tue 24 Jun 14

Bantam14 says...

The Westfield Shopping Centre should have been planned for a central through Bradford Railway Station to be incorporated above it with both Interchange and Forster Square stations being closed. This would allow through running and relieve Bradford of its dead end railway terminals !
The Westfield Shopping Centre should have been planned for a central through Bradford Railway Station to be incorporated above it with both Interchange and Forster Square stations being closed. This would allow through running and relieve Bradford of its dead end railway terminals ! Bantam14
  • Score: 3

3:46pm Tue 24 Jun 14

ravacity says...

FinlandStation wrote:
bcfc1903 wrote:
If they do build this and it's a big if, of course it should serve Bradford. As one of the biggest cities in the UK it would make little sense to bypass it. As Gerry Sutcliffe said, if built it should serve Liverpool, Manchester, Bradford, Leeds and Hull. I'm highly sceptical about the whole HS2/HS3 schemes and what benefits for the massive outlay of cash they would actually bring to Bradford, West Yorkshire and the North.

Bradford was supposedly to get direct services to Liverpool Lime Street, Chester and Manchester Airport, as yet no sign of these, the Caldervale line direct to Manchester has yet to be electrified, all things that would be for a fraction of the price far more beneficial to the Bradford district than this pie in the sky scheme.
Thank you for reminding us of the catalogue of failed initiatives that were supposed to help regenerate Bradford bur never happened.

If memory serves, these schemes were proposed under Councils of all political hues, so, for once, it would be unfair to blame our venal and uninspiring political leaders. As the only common factor, the blame must lie with the Council's Officers. Time for a clear out?
work is currently underway to link Manchester Victoria and Piccadilly stations via Salford, when this is completed there will be a direct line to Manchester airport and Liverpool from bradford
[quote][p][bold]FinlandStation[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]bcfc1903[/bold] wrote: If they do build this and it's a big if, of course it should serve Bradford. As one of the biggest cities in the UK it would make little sense to bypass it. As Gerry Sutcliffe said, if built it should serve Liverpool, Manchester, Bradford, Leeds and Hull. I'm highly sceptical about the whole HS2/HS3 schemes and what benefits for the massive outlay of cash they would actually bring to Bradford, West Yorkshire and the North. Bradford was supposedly to get direct services to Liverpool Lime Street, Chester and Manchester Airport, as yet no sign of these, the Caldervale line direct to Manchester has yet to be electrified, all things that would be for a fraction of the price far more beneficial to the Bradford district than this pie in the sky scheme.[/p][/quote]Thank you for reminding us of the catalogue of failed initiatives that were supposed to help regenerate Bradford bur never happened. If memory serves, these schemes were proposed under Councils of all political hues, so, for once, it would be unfair to blame our venal and uninspiring political leaders. As the only common factor, the blame must lie with the Council's Officers. Time for a clear out?[/p][/quote]work is currently underway to link Manchester Victoria and Piccadilly stations via Salford, when this is completed there will be a direct line to Manchester airport and Liverpool from bradford ravacity
  • Score: 2

5:19pm Tue 24 Jun 14

linebacker2 says...

If HS3 does come to fruition and traverse the district, our glorious council will see the word "speed" and simply install some speed bumps on the track.
If HS3 does come to fruition and traverse the district, our glorious council will see the word "speed" and simply install some speed bumps on the track. linebacker2
  • Score: 4

7:49pm Tue 24 Jun 14

Class_War says...

Osborne IS a train crash!
Osborne IS a train crash! Class_War
  • Score: 0

8:59pm Tue 24 Jun 14

Victor Clayton says...

I think a good start to regeneration would be to have a greater Leeds area that included Bradford. What have we got to lose?
I think a good start to regeneration would be to have a greater Leeds area that included Bradford. What have we got to lose? Victor Clayton
  • Score: 0

9:24pm Tue 24 Jun 14

bcfc1903 says...

FinlandStation wrote:
bcfc1903 wrote:
If they do build this and it's a big if, of course it should serve Bradford. As one of the biggest cities in the UK it would make little sense to bypass it. As Gerry Sutcliffe said, if built it should serve Liverpool, Manchester, Bradford, Leeds and Hull. I'm highly sceptical about the whole HS2/HS3 schemes and what benefits for the massive outlay of cash they would actually bring to Bradford, West Yorkshire and the North.

Bradford was supposedly to get direct services to Liverpool Lime Street, Chester and Manchester Airport, as yet no sign of these, the Caldervale line direct to Manchester has yet to be electrified, all things that would be for a fraction of the price far more beneficial to the Bradford district than this pie in the sky scheme.
Thank you for reminding us of the catalogue of failed initiatives that were supposed to help regenerate Bradford bur never happened.

If memory serves, these schemes were proposed under Councils of all political hues, so, for once, it would be unfair to blame our venal and uninspiring political leaders. As the only common factor, the blame must lie with the Council's Officers. Time for a clear out?
Hardly, they were supposed to improve rail services and speed between various stations on the Caldervale line.
[quote][p][bold]FinlandStation[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]bcfc1903[/bold] wrote: If they do build this and it's a big if, of course it should serve Bradford. As one of the biggest cities in the UK it would make little sense to bypass it. As Gerry Sutcliffe said, if built it should serve Liverpool, Manchester, Bradford, Leeds and Hull. I'm highly sceptical about the whole HS2/HS3 schemes and what benefits for the massive outlay of cash they would actually bring to Bradford, West Yorkshire and the North. Bradford was supposedly to get direct services to Liverpool Lime Street, Chester and Manchester Airport, as yet no sign of these, the Caldervale line direct to Manchester has yet to be electrified, all things that would be for a fraction of the price far more beneficial to the Bradford district than this pie in the sky scheme.[/p][/quote]Thank you for reminding us of the catalogue of failed initiatives that were supposed to help regenerate Bradford bur never happened. If memory serves, these schemes were proposed under Councils of all political hues, so, for once, it would be unfair to blame our venal and uninspiring political leaders. As the only common factor, the blame must lie with the Council's Officers. Time for a clear out?[/p][/quote]Hardly, they were supposed to improve rail services and speed between various stations on the Caldervale line. bcfc1903
  • Score: 2

9:26pm Tue 24 Jun 14

bcfc1903 says...

ravacity wrote:
FinlandStation wrote:
bcfc1903 wrote:
If they do build this and it's a big if, of course it should serve Bradford. As one of the biggest cities in the UK it would make little sense to bypass it. As Gerry Sutcliffe said, if built it should serve Liverpool, Manchester, Bradford, Leeds and Hull. I'm highly sceptical about the whole HS2/HS3 schemes and what benefits for the massive outlay of cash they would actually bring to Bradford, West Yorkshire and the North.

Bradford was supposedly to get direct services to Liverpool Lime Street, Chester and Manchester Airport, as yet no sign of these, the Caldervale line direct to Manchester has yet to be electrified, all things that would be for a fraction of the price far more beneficial to the Bradford district than this pie in the sky scheme.
Thank you for reminding us of the catalogue of failed initiatives that were supposed to help regenerate Bradford bur never happened.

If memory serves, these schemes were proposed under Councils of all political hues, so, for once, it would be unfair to blame our venal and uninspiring political leaders. As the only common factor, the blame must lie with the Council's Officers. Time for a clear out?
work is currently underway to link Manchester Victoria and Piccadilly stations via Salford, when this is completed there will be a direct line to Manchester airport and Liverpool from bradford
Cheers, I wondered why the services I mentioned had not materialised.
[quote][p][bold]ravacity[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]FinlandStation[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]bcfc1903[/bold] wrote: If they do build this and it's a big if, of course it should serve Bradford. As one of the biggest cities in the UK it would make little sense to bypass it. As Gerry Sutcliffe said, if built it should serve Liverpool, Manchester, Bradford, Leeds and Hull. I'm highly sceptical about the whole HS2/HS3 schemes and what benefits for the massive outlay of cash they would actually bring to Bradford, West Yorkshire and the North. Bradford was supposedly to get direct services to Liverpool Lime Street, Chester and Manchester Airport, as yet no sign of these, the Caldervale line direct to Manchester has yet to be electrified, all things that would be for a fraction of the price far more beneficial to the Bradford district than this pie in the sky scheme.[/p][/quote]Thank you for reminding us of the catalogue of failed initiatives that were supposed to help regenerate Bradford bur never happened. If memory serves, these schemes were proposed under Councils of all political hues, so, for once, it would be unfair to blame our venal and uninspiring political leaders. As the only common factor, the blame must lie with the Council's Officers. Time for a clear out?[/p][/quote]work is currently underway to link Manchester Victoria and Piccadilly stations via Salford, when this is completed there will be a direct line to Manchester airport and Liverpool from bradford[/p][/quote]Cheers, I wondered why the services I mentioned had not materialised. bcfc1903
  • Score: 2
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