Parking 'spy car' ban is 'just a posture'

Bradford Telegraph and Argus: Bradford Council’s CCTV 'spy' car with its roof-mounted camera Bradford Council’s CCTV 'spy' car with its roof-mounted camera

A GOVERNMENT announcement that CCTV "spy cars", which catch people parking illegally, are to be banned has been dismissed as "populist posturing" in Bradford.

The move, announced by Communities Secretary Eric Pickles, is designed to rein in "greedy councils" who use the method of fining as a "cash cow" and bring to an end the "plague" of tickets being issued by post.

But it will not affect the current use of a £50,000 spy car which Bradford Council bought last year, said Councillor Susan Hinchcliffe, the executive member with responsibility for parking matters.

Although parking wardens will instead have to fix tickets directly to windscreens under ordinary circumstances, councils can still use CCTV to issue postal tickets for any offences that occur on critical routes - such as those near schools and bus lanes, bus stops and on "red routes".

The ban is being introduced to tackle "over-zealous parking enforcement practices", which the government says has forced people to shop in out-of-town centres or online, and give motorists and local shops a "fairer deal".

Mr Pickles, a former leader of Bradford Council, said: "CCTV spy cars can be seen lurking on every street raking in cash for greedy councils and breaking the rules that clearly state that fines should not be used to generate profit for town halls.

"Over-zealous parking enforcement and unreasonable stealth fines by post undermine the high street, push up the cost of living and cost local authorities more in the long term.

"The government is taking urgently needed action to ban this clear abuse of CCTV which should be used to catch criminal and not as a cash cow," he said.

The ban follows a three-month consultation period.

But Cllr Hinchcliffe said as Bradford's CCTV car was only used near schools or the areas permitted, there would be no change in local tactics.

"This is just populist posturing by Eric Pickles and it will make no difference in Bradford where we only use it to improve the safety of school children or on bus lanes and red routes," she said.

"There is an election coming up and this is political."

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5:52pm Sun 22 Jun 14

Apollo says...

So it is all about making money and nothing to do with safety?

Thought so.
So it is all about making money and nothing to do with safety? Thought so. Apollo
  • Score: 15

5:52pm Sun 22 Jun 14

bluebluerobin says...

Of course Cllr. Hinchcliffe and the Labour Group will go on using their £50,000 spy car and all their other underhand tactics. They need all the revenue they can get to plug the holes in the budget brought about by incompetence and waste.
Of course Cllr. Hinchcliffe and the Labour Group will go on using their £50,000 spy car and all their other underhand tactics. They need all the revenue they can get to plug the holes in the budget brought about by incompetence and waste. bluebluerobin
  • Score: 15

6:38pm Sun 22 Jun 14

Johsay says...

Do we have any red routes in Bradford?

I wish they'd shut up about politics and just get on with the job in hand.
Do we have any red routes in Bradford? I wish they'd shut up about politics and just get on with the job in hand. Johsay
  • Score: 7

8:56pm Sun 22 Jun 14

linebacker2 says...

The contempt local Labour councillors have for the national Government is palpable.

The Tories should rein in local councils even more..
The contempt local Labour councillors have for the national Government is palpable. The Tories should rein in local councils even more.. linebacker2
  • Score: 15

9:32pm Sun 22 Jun 14

tinytoonster says...

linebacker2 wrote:
The contempt local Labour councillors have for the national Government is palpable.

The Tories should rein in local councils even more..
labour just act like spoilt kids when they are told not to do something.
sums up the labour party overall.
decent politicians would help each other for the good of the country.
labour just pull while everyone else tries to push.
[quote][p][bold]linebacker2[/bold] wrote: The contempt local Labour councillors have for the national Government is palpable. The Tories should rein in local councils even more..[/p][/quote]labour just act like spoilt kids when they are told not to do something. sums up the labour party overall. decent politicians would help each other for the good of the country. labour just pull while everyone else tries to push. tinytoonster
  • Score: 7

9:41pm Sun 22 Jun 14

Idle HG says...

I ynderstood all the raised revenue from fines went into road repairs, not feeding council coffers to waste on pet projects.

If people park where they should and not in bus stops or on lines outside schools then they have nothing to worry about, these cars do a good job and make the roads safer at the expense of brainless drivers who think they can park anywhere.

As for Mr pickles, he's a typical Thatcherite bully boy with more mouth than brain.
I ynderstood all the raised revenue from fines went into road repairs, not feeding council coffers to waste on pet projects. If people park where they should and not in bus stops or on lines outside schools then they have nothing to worry about, these cars do a good job and make the roads safer at the expense of brainless drivers who think they can park anywhere. As for Mr pickles, he's a typical Thatcherite bully boy with more mouth than brain. Idle HG
  • Score: -5

3:31am Mon 23 Jun 14

Raj2121 says...

They need to park outside schools punishing parents who park on zig zag lines and also carrying children without car seats...
They need to park outside schools punishing parents who park on zig zag lines and also carrying children without car seats... Raj2121
  • Score: 21

7:55am Mon 23 Jun 14

RED65 says...

Idle HG wrote:
I ynderstood all the raised revenue from fines went into road repairs, not feeding council coffers to waste on pet projects.

If people park where they should and not in bus stops or on lines outside schools then they have nothing to worry about, these cars do a good job and make the roads safer at the expense of brainless drivers who think they can park anywhere.

As for Mr pickles, he's a typical Thatcherite bully boy with more mouth than brain.
Agree totally my only gripe is we need to split the money from fines into road repairs and more of these £50,000 cars.We need 4 of them especially on FRIDAYS.
[quote][p][bold]Idle HG[/bold] wrote: I ynderstood all the raised revenue from fines went into road repairs, not feeding council coffers to waste on pet projects. If people park where they should and not in bus stops or on lines outside schools then they have nothing to worry about, these cars do a good job and make the roads safer at the expense of brainless drivers who think they can park anywhere. As for Mr pickles, he's a typical Thatcherite bully boy with more mouth than brain.[/p][/quote]Agree totally my only gripe is we need to split the money from fines into road repairs and more of these £50,000 cars.We need 4 of them especially on FRIDAYS. RED65
  • Score: 7

8:07am Mon 23 Jun 14

Apollo says...

I take it the £50,000 spy car is a Jag or Merc or a BMW - that should make it in nicely around some of the schools in Bradford where the worst 'parking' takes place every day.
I take it the £50,000 spy car is a Jag or Merc or a BMW - that should make it in nicely around some of the schools in Bradford where the worst 'parking' takes place every day. Apollo
  • Score: -1

9:01am Mon 23 Jun 14

Old Peculiar says...

wonder whether the spy car has ventured along Whetley Lane / Toller Lane / Duckworth Lane ?
wonder whether the spy car has ventured along Whetley Lane / Toller Lane / Duckworth Lane ? Old Peculiar
  • Score: 7

9:21am Mon 23 Jun 14

holden caulfield says...

bluebluerobin wrote:
Of course Cllr. Hinchcliffe and the Labour Group will go on using their £50,000 spy car and all their other underhand tactics. They need all the revenue they can get to plug the holes in the budget brought about by incompetence and waste.
of the previous Con-Lib Council and the Tory-LapDog Govt cuts
[quote][p][bold]bluebluerobin[/bold] wrote: Of course Cllr. Hinchcliffe and the Labour Group will go on using their £50,000 spy car and all their other underhand tactics. They need all the revenue they can get to plug the holes in the budget brought about by incompetence and waste.[/p][/quote]of the previous Con-Lib Council and the Tory-LapDog Govt cuts holden caulfield
  • Score: -3

9:22am Mon 23 Jun 14

holden caulfield says...

bluebluerobin wrote:
Of course Cllr. Hinchcliffe and the Labour Group will go on using their £50,000 spy car and all their other underhand tactics. They need all the revenue they can get to plug the holes in the budget brought about by incompetence and waste.
of the previous Con-Lib Counci and the cuts imposed by the Tory-LapDog Govt.
[quote][p][bold]bluebluerobin[/bold] wrote: Of course Cllr. Hinchcliffe and the Labour Group will go on using their £50,000 spy car and all their other underhand tactics. They need all the revenue they can get to plug the holes in the budget brought about by incompetence and waste.[/p][/quote]of the previous Con-Lib Counci and the cuts imposed by the Tory-LapDog Govt. holden caulfield
  • Score: -4

12:32pm Mon 23 Jun 14

bonoforpm says...

Johsay wrote:
Do we have any red routes in Bradford?

I wish they'd shut up about politics and just get on with the job in hand.
No we don't (not yet anyway, maybe that is the councils next underhand scheme).

Presumably the brain dead people who manage this scheme will continue ticketing motorists queuing at red traffic lights like the bloke who featured on Look North a while ago
[quote][p][bold]Johsay[/bold] wrote: Do we have any red routes in Bradford? I wish they'd shut up about politics and just get on with the job in hand.[/p][/quote]No we don't (not yet anyway, maybe that is the councils next underhand scheme). Presumably the brain dead people who manage this scheme will continue ticketing motorists queuing at red traffic lights like the bloke who featured on Look North a while ago bonoforpm
  • Score: 2

2:52pm Mon 23 Jun 14

yezboss says...

Simply challenge its evidence, some aspects of evidence gathered illegally or unfairly can be ruled inadmissable. And yes the idea is to ensure safety, a car gathering pictures has already been seen to wrong. The only conclusion we can come to Ms Hinchcliffe is this is about money and not safety, comments have been made elsewhere that where there are problems with parking just capturing images is neither sufficient or purposeful. When Traffic Wardens were replaced with CEO's we lost the first purpose or function of a Traffic Warden who like a constable was to ensure smooth and safe transition of all traffic, not issue Penalties as a first option. That was the last resort. And what's going to happen when drivers are going to get, as of a right 10 minutes grace, is this vehicle going to wait? I think not!.
Simply challenge its evidence, some aspects of evidence gathered illegally or unfairly can be ruled inadmissable. And yes the idea is to ensure safety, a car gathering pictures has already been seen to wrong. The only conclusion we can come to Ms Hinchcliffe is this is about money and not safety, comments have been made elsewhere that where there are problems with parking just capturing images is neither sufficient or purposeful. When Traffic Wardens were replaced with CEO's we lost the first purpose or function of a Traffic Warden who like a constable was to ensure smooth and safe transition of all traffic, not issue Penalties as a first option. That was the last resort. And what's going to happen when drivers are going to get, as of a right 10 minutes grace, is this vehicle going to wait? I think not!. yezboss
  • Score: 1

3:11pm Mon 23 Jun 14

linebacker2 says...

Regarding the councils cash car - I've not seen any explanation as to what benefits it provides over a CEO on foot.

Anyone knows that schools are congested with traffic at opening/closing time, so presumably the councils cash car just makes matters worse by adding to traffic and parking issues?
Regarding the councils cash car - I've not seen any explanation as to what benefits it provides over a CEO on foot. Anyone knows that schools are congested with traffic at opening/closing time, so presumably the councils cash car just makes matters worse by adding to traffic and parking issues? linebacker2
  • Score: 0

4:30pm Mon 23 Jun 14

Johsay says...

It presumably allows them to visit the 'no go' areas looking at parking....
It presumably allows them to visit the 'no go' areas looking at parking.... Johsay
  • Score: 0

10:01am Tue 24 Jun 14

yezboss says...

Richmond Council refunded motorists their car caught, I wonder if Bradford will.
Richmond Council refunded motorists their car caught, I wonder if Bradford will. yezboss
  • Score: 0

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