Council leader calls for action over postcode lottery and city’s shortage of GPs

Bradford Telegraph and Argus: Bradford Council leader David Green Bradford Council leader David Green

Bradford Council leader David Green has called for more funding and powers to be devolved locally after a survey revealed Bradford is suffering in a postcode lottery for GP services.

Research carried out by the Royal College of General Practitioners (RCGP) showed a stark divide in access to doctors, with people living in the most deprived communities facing the longest waiting times.

The study found 22 per cent of people in Bradford raised concerns about not being able to make an appointment with their GP. But the figure was just five per cent in Bath and north-east Somerset.

The poorest appear to be the hardest hit by this patchwork of provision, with eight of out of ten areas with the longest GP waiting times having moderate to high levels of deprivation.

The College said the research, based on the GP Patient Survey, showed the profession is “creaking under the weight of a growing and ageing population”.

They have launched a campaign to demand an extra £3.5 billion a year to be ploughed into GP services, and have put up posters in surgeries showing patients having to queue down the street for an appointment unless extra cash is found.

Now, Councillor Green, who is also chairman of the Bradford and Airedale Health and Wellbeing Board, says a shortage of GPs in Bradford and an increasing population have lead to services becoming strained.

He said: “It’s about time somebody wakes up and recognises what is happening in Bradford. More cash clearly is needed to provide us with more GPs.

“One of the problems is that there is a shortage of GPs in Bradford, alongside a growing population, so the demand is increasing. We already have a large level of demand. GPs surgeries are under severe pressure already.

“I know that we have raised this issue in public previously and I hope that somebody will listen.

“If they are serious about devolving powers to local authorities they should start doing it. Every time somebody tries to do something different, we are told it’s not in line with their policies.”

Dr Maureen Baker, chairman of the RCGP said: “There is now a desperate shortage of GPs in many parts of the country, leaving the service teetering on the brink of collapse.

“Over the last decade, investment in general practice has slumped and has now reached an all-time low, with GPs conducting 90 per cent of NHS patient contacts for just 8.5 per cent of the total NHS budget.”

NHS England said they are recruiting and training more GPs. A spokesman said: “Patients should have good access to health services, regardless of where they live.

“This year, for the first time, NHS England introduced a deprivation factor into local health budgets to start to redress historic funding issues.”

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7:12am Mon 2 Jun 14

tinytoonster says...

working people should get priority, we pay for it!
no rush for the unemployed to get well.
working people should get priority, we pay for it! no rush for the unemployed to get well. tinytoonster
  • Score: -2

7:18am Mon 2 Jun 14

bd7 helper says...

tinytoonster wrote:
working people should get priority, we pay for it!
no rush for the unemployed to get well.
Nobody wants too see the working class....
[quote][p][bold]tinytoonster[/bold] wrote: working people should get priority, we pay for it! no rush for the unemployed to get well.[/p][/quote]Nobody wants too see the working class.... bd7 helper
  • Score: -7

7:22am Mon 2 Jun 14

Albion. says...

tinytoonster wrote:
working people should get priority, we pay for it!
no rush for the unemployed to get well.
Ridiculous! Do you include those who have worked for 50yrs? And how would you go about deciding who works and who doesn't? Some people might care for someone else unofficially?

“One of the problems is that there is a shortage of GPs in Bradford, alongside a growing population, so the demand is increasing. We already have a large level of demand. GPs surgeries are under severe pressure already."

The main problem is due to the population rise.
[quote][p][bold]tinytoonster[/bold] wrote: working people should get priority, we pay for it! no rush for the unemployed to get well.[/p][/quote]Ridiculous! Do you include those who have worked for 50yrs? And how would you go about deciding who works and who doesn't? Some people might care for someone else unofficially? “One of the problems is that there is a shortage of GPs in Bradford, alongside a growing population, so the demand is increasing. We already have a large level of demand. GPs surgeries are under severe pressure already." The main problem is due to the population rise. Albion.
  • Score: 23

7:39am Mon 2 Jun 14

collos25 says...

The original remark is by an obvious idiot ,whereas Albions is quite logical.Having had to use the NHS e few times recently I personally have had no problems getting an appointment to see a GP
The original remark is by an obvious idiot ,whereas Albions is quite logical.Having had to use the NHS e few times recently I personally have had no problems getting an appointment to see a GP collos25
  • Score: 0

8:10am Mon 2 Jun 14

Bradfordbull72 says...

Main problem is those that have come here with little or no understanding of what the nhs is, how it works and how its funded. The same people use it when they have a simple cough and cold and the extends to a and e. As for the difference in figures maybe in bath only 5% do not work and contribute to the nhs as opposed to the 22% here.
Main problem is those that have come here with little or no understanding of what the nhs is, how it works and how its funded. The same people use it when they have a simple cough and cold and the extends to a and e. As for the difference in figures maybe in bath only 5% do not work and contribute to the nhs as opposed to the 22% here. Bradfordbull72
  • Score: 19

8:28am Mon 2 Jun 14

SinnerSaint says...

Albion. wrote:
tinytoonster wrote:
working people should get priority, we pay for it!
no rush for the unemployed to get well.
Ridiculous! Do you include those who have worked for 50yrs? And how would you go about deciding who works and who doesn't? Some people might care for someone else unofficially?

“One of the problems is that there is a shortage of GPs in Bradford, alongside a growing population, so the demand is increasing. We already have a large level of demand. GPs surgeries are under severe pressure already."

The main problem is due to the population rise.
Indiscriminate breeding, socially irresponsible and has an impact on the rats that breed too. Then they complain that their baby was born in a maternity ward corridor because there weren't enough beds or that their child couldn't see a doctor for ten days.... Will they learn anything from this?
[quote][p][bold]Albion.[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]tinytoonster[/bold] wrote: working people should get priority, we pay for it! no rush for the unemployed to get well.[/p][/quote]Ridiculous! Do you include those who have worked for 50yrs? And how would you go about deciding who works and who doesn't? Some people might care for someone else unofficially? “One of the problems is that there is a shortage of GPs in Bradford, alongside a growing population, so the demand is increasing. We already have a large level of demand. GPs surgeries are under severe pressure already." The main problem is due to the population rise.[/p][/quote]Indiscriminate breeding, socially irresponsible and has an impact on the rats that breed too. Then they complain that their baby was born in a maternity ward corridor because there weren't enough beds or that their child couldn't see a doctor for ten days.... Will they learn anything from this? SinnerSaint
  • Score: 21

8:29am Mon 2 Jun 14

pcmanners says...

After the next election the NHS will become fully privatised. The opportunity to make a profit will encourage many more GPs, probably recruited from abroad, to set up surgeries.

Giving people free stuff never works, it is a Socialist illusion. The market demands that things should be paid for.
After the next election the NHS will become fully privatised. The opportunity to make a profit will encourage many more GPs, probably recruited from abroad, to set up surgeries. Giving people free stuff never works, it is a Socialist illusion. The market demands that things should be paid for. pcmanners
  • Score: 24

8:43am Mon 2 Jun 14

Thee Voice of Reason says...

How much is this down to schemes like city of sanctuary and waving everyone in who contribution to society is take take take?
Housing given the go ahead with no infrastructure put into place etc.
How much is this down to schemes like city of sanctuary and waving everyone in who contribution to society is take take take? Housing given the go ahead with no infrastructure put into place etc. Thee Voice of Reason
  • Score: 12

8:44am Mon 2 Jun 14

sorrow&anger says...

Five times as many people in Bradford can't get to see a GP s in the affluent South. Another league table and we're at the bottom. Cllr Green says it’s about time “somebody” woke up and recognised what is happening in Bradford. That somebody is him.

Inner Bradford is a poverty stricken, derelict dump, with all the characteristics of a failing third world country. It is Cllr Greens responsibility, and his alone, to regenerate Bradford. Instead all we get are 'Producer City' talking shops, glossy brochures that nobody reads and flagship projects like Buck Lane that fail before they've even started
Five times as many people in Bradford can't get to see a GP s in the affluent South. Another league table and we're at the bottom. Cllr Green says it’s about time “somebody” woke up and recognised what is happening in Bradford. That somebody is him. Inner Bradford is a poverty stricken, derelict dump, with all the characteristics of a failing third world country. It is Cllr Greens responsibility, and his alone, to regenerate Bradford. Instead all we get are 'Producer City' talking shops, glossy brochures that nobody reads and flagship projects like Buck Lane that fail before they've even started sorrow&anger
  • Score: 75

8:50am Mon 2 Jun 14

SinnerSaint says...

"“This year, for the first time, NHS England introduced a deprivation factor into local health budgets".

They need to introduce an Islamisation factor too. It's the fastest growing religion but I don't see hordes of white English people abandoning their cars in the middle of the road for Friday prayers. Proliferation by breeding is killing the infrastructure in Bradford.

Schools, GPs, maternity wards, hospitals are all struggling and who is paying for it? The healthcare and education of our children is already suffering yet the elephant in the room continues to be ignored.

It is an irretrievable situation, an unstoppable juggernaut protected by an impenetrable force field of political correctness.
"“This year, for the first time, NHS England introduced a deprivation factor into local health budgets". They need to introduce an Islamisation factor too. It's the fastest growing religion but I don't see hordes of white English people abandoning their cars in the middle of the road for Friday prayers. Proliferation by breeding is killing the infrastructure in Bradford. Schools, GPs, maternity wards, hospitals are all struggling and who is paying for it? The healthcare and education of our children is already suffering yet the elephant in the room continues to be ignored. It is an irretrievable situation, an unstoppable juggernaut protected by an impenetrable force field of political correctness. SinnerSaint
  • Score: -7

8:51am Mon 2 Jun 14

bluebluerobin says...

So now we learn that Councillor Green is chairman of the Airedale Health and Wellbeing Board. Apart from being another nice little earner to add to his collection, doesn't that make him responsible for ensuring adequate health provision in Bradford?
So now we learn that Councillor Green is chairman of the Airedale Health and Wellbeing Board. Apart from being another nice little earner to add to his collection, doesn't that make him responsible for ensuring adequate health provision in Bradford? bluebluerobin
  • Score: 43

9:01am Mon 2 Jun 14

Yorkshire Lass says...

So Councillor Green is "demanding" that a further £3.5 billion is spent on the NHS Doctors in Bradford. False economy actually. For a start there are millions of pounds wasted every year by people who make appointments at the surgeries, do not bother to cancel, and do not turn up. That means that doctors are hanging about when they could be seeing the patients who are genuine, but cannot get an appointmen
So Councillor Green is "demanding" that a further £3.5 billion is spent on the NHS Doctors in Bradford. False economy actually. For a start there are millions of pounds wasted every year by people who make appointments at the surgeries, do not bother to cancel, and do not turn up. That means that doctors are hanging about when they could be seeing the patients who are genuine, but cannot get an appointmen Yorkshire Lass
  • Score: 15

9:03am Mon 2 Jun 14

streetcar says...

Shortages of doctors in Bradford is no great surprise. If you had the choice of working in Bradford or South West which would you choose?
Shortages of doctors in Bradford is no great surprise. If you had the choice of working in Bradford or South West which would you choose? streetcar
  • Score: 21

9:22am Mon 2 Jun 14

FinlandStation says...

Instead of pointing the finger at 'somebody' isn't it about time Councillor Green took seriously the leadership role that he is so handsomely paid for and did something to improve Bradford?

It's all about the practicalities. Why would anybody want to invest in Bradford if they know their workforce won't be able to get adequate healthcare. Until Bradford can offer the reasonable standard of facilities expected in a civilised society, as a city, it's dead in the water.
Instead of pointing the finger at 'somebody' isn't it about time Councillor Green took seriously the leadership role that he is so handsomely paid for and did something to improve Bradford? It's all about the practicalities. Why would anybody want to invest in Bradford if they know their workforce won't be able to get adequate healthcare. Until Bradford can offer the reasonable standard of facilities expected in a civilised society, as a city, it's dead in the water. FinlandStation
  • Score: 38

10:39am Mon 2 Jun 14

pellethead says...

SinnerSaint wrote:
Albion. wrote:
tinytoonster wrote:
working people should get priority, we pay for it!
no rush for the unemployed to get well.
Ridiculous! Do you include those who have worked for 50yrs? And how would you go about deciding who works and who doesn't? Some people might care for someone else unofficially?

“One of the problems is that there is a shortage of GPs in Bradford, alongside a growing population, so the demand is increasing. We already have a large level of demand. GPs surgeries are under severe pressure already."

The main problem is due to the population rise.
Indiscriminate breeding, socially irresponsible and has an impact on the rats that breed too. Then they complain that their baby was born in a maternity ward corridor because there weren't enough beds or that their child couldn't see a doctor for ten days.... Will they learn anything from this?
I cannot believe that you have referred to people as rats. You horrible excuse for a human.
[quote][p][bold]SinnerSaint[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Albion.[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]tinytoonster[/bold] wrote: working people should get priority, we pay for it! no rush for the unemployed to get well.[/p][/quote]Ridiculous! Do you include those who have worked for 50yrs? And how would you go about deciding who works and who doesn't? Some people might care for someone else unofficially? “One of the problems is that there is a shortage of GPs in Bradford, alongside a growing population, so the demand is increasing. We already have a large level of demand. GPs surgeries are under severe pressure already." The main problem is due to the population rise.[/p][/quote]Indiscriminate breeding, socially irresponsible and has an impact on the rats that breed too. Then they complain that their baby was born in a maternity ward corridor because there weren't enough beds or that their child couldn't see a doctor for ten days.... Will they learn anything from this?[/p][/quote]I cannot believe that you have referred to people as rats. You horrible excuse for a human. pellethead
  • Score: -20

10:44am Mon 2 Jun 14

They only do damage! says...

This problem started with labours immigration policy, and will continue, until sombody starts to reconise that the people of England are been forced to pay for the people of Europe and the world due to the corruption of the bankers. Where will we be in another 10 years time?
This problem started with labours immigration policy, and will continue, until sombody starts to reconise that the people of England are been forced to pay for the people of Europe and the world due to the corruption of the bankers. Where will we be in another 10 years time? They only do damage!
  • Score: 17

11:17am Mon 2 Jun 14

Bikerbeardy says...

streetcar wrote:
Shortages of doctors in Bradford is no great surprise. If you had the choice of working in Bradford or South West which would you choose?
Hit the nail on the head, i happen to know (dont ask!) that a surgery in the Haworth Rd area cant get GPs to stay there, must have been dozens over the last few years, they come for a couple of months and move on, leaving the surgery with the partners only, dont blame them, the receptionists come and go just the same, what a depressing job, 90% of the patients barely speak english.
So times that by all the inner and out city centre practices and there's your problem, travel just a few miles out of the city down the aire valley and therr are lovely surgery's, happy GP's and staff who have been there for years, I know which i would choose to work in.!
[quote][p][bold]streetcar[/bold] wrote: Shortages of doctors in Bradford is no great surprise. If you had the choice of working in Bradford or South West which would you choose?[/p][/quote]Hit the nail on the head, i happen to know (dont ask!) that a surgery in the Haworth Rd area cant get GPs to stay there, must have been dozens over the last few years, they come for a couple of months and move on, leaving the surgery with the partners only, dont blame them, the receptionists come and go just the same, what a depressing job, 90% of the patients barely speak english. So times that by all the inner and out city centre practices and there's your problem, travel just a few miles out of the city down the aire valley and therr are lovely surgery's, happy GP's and staff who have been there for years, I know which i would choose to work in.! Bikerbeardy
  • Score: 23

11:17am Mon 2 Jun 14

SinnerSaint says...

pellethead wrote:
SinnerSaint wrote:
Albion. wrote:
tinytoonster wrote:
working people should get priority, we pay for it!
no rush for the unemployed to get well.
Ridiculous! Do you include those who have worked for 50yrs? And how would you go about deciding who works and who doesn't? Some people might care for someone else unofficially?

“One of the problems is that there is a shortage of GPs in Bradford, alongside a growing population, so the demand is increasing. We already have a large level of demand. GPs surgeries are under severe pressure already."

The main problem is due to the population rise.
Indiscriminate breeding, socially irresponsible and has an impact on the rats that breed too. Then they complain that their baby was born in a maternity ward corridor because there weren't enough beds or that their child couldn't see a doctor for ten days.... Will they learn anything from this?
I cannot believe that you have referred to people as rats. You horrible excuse for a human.
In my opinion, in the modern day, indiscriminate breeding and the social problems that come with it merits the comparison.

You of course have your own opinion and I may not agree with it but, as we live in 21st century UK - a great civilised nation that promotes freedom of speech, you are entitled to it and I therefore respect it.
[quote][p][bold]pellethead[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]SinnerSaint[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Albion.[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]tinytoonster[/bold] wrote: working people should get priority, we pay for it! no rush for the unemployed to get well.[/p][/quote]Ridiculous! Do you include those who have worked for 50yrs? And how would you go about deciding who works and who doesn't? Some people might care for someone else unofficially? “One of the problems is that there is a shortage of GPs in Bradford, alongside a growing population, so the demand is increasing. We already have a large level of demand. GPs surgeries are under severe pressure already." The main problem is due to the population rise.[/p][/quote]Indiscriminate breeding, socially irresponsible and has an impact on the rats that breed too. Then they complain that their baby was born in a maternity ward corridor because there weren't enough beds or that their child couldn't see a doctor for ten days.... Will they learn anything from this?[/p][/quote]I cannot believe that you have referred to people as rats. You horrible excuse for a human.[/p][/quote]In my opinion, in the modern day, indiscriminate breeding and the social problems that come with it merits the comparison. You of course have your own opinion and I may not agree with it but, as we live in 21st century UK - a great civilised nation that promotes freedom of speech, you are entitled to it and I therefore respect it. SinnerSaint
  • Score: 27

11:28am Mon 2 Jun 14

OLDLAD says...

People going to see the gp or a and e with problems your local chemist could help. Doctors waiting for interprators to turn up. People not turning up or cancelling appointments. New patients from the sub continent taking a large block of appointment space because of numerous medical problems. Address these problems and the pressure wouldn't be as bad on medical services. Involved in a car accident and you caused it you pay, fighting because of drink you pay the medical bills, wasting gps time you get a bill the list is endless.
People going to see the gp or a and e with problems your local chemist could help. Doctors waiting for interprators to turn up. People not turning up or cancelling appointments. New patients from the sub continent taking a large block of appointment space because of numerous medical problems. Address these problems and the pressure wouldn't be as bad on medical services. Involved in a car accident and you caused it you pay, fighting because of drink you pay the medical bills, wasting gps time you get a bill the list is endless. OLDLAD
  • Score: 13

11:48am Mon 2 Jun 14

pellethead says...

SinnerSaint wrote:
pellethead wrote:
SinnerSaint wrote:
Albion. wrote:
tinytoonster wrote:
working people should get priority, we pay for it!
no rush for the unemployed to get well.
Ridiculous! Do you include those who have worked for 50yrs? And how would you go about deciding who works and who doesn't? Some people might care for someone else unofficially?

“One of the problems is that there is a shortage of GPs in Bradford, alongside a growing population, so the demand is increasing. We already have a large level of demand. GPs surgeries are under severe pressure already."

The main problem is due to the population rise.
Indiscriminate breeding, socially irresponsible and has an impact on the rats that breed too. Then they complain that their baby was born in a maternity ward corridor because there weren't enough beds or that their child couldn't see a doctor for ten days.... Will they learn anything from this?
I cannot believe that you have referred to people as rats. You horrible excuse for a human.
In my opinion, in the modern day, indiscriminate breeding and the social problems that come with it merits the comparison.

You of course have your own opinion and I may not agree with it but, as we live in 21st century UK - a great civilised nation that promotes freedom of speech, you are entitled to it and I therefore respect it.
As you rightly point out we are endowed with freedom of speech but i do not respect your right to it when you use it describe people as you do. Your comparison to rats is lazy a bit pathetic and insulting and are probably the words of a frightened insecure bigot.
[quote][p][bold]SinnerSaint[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]pellethead[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]SinnerSaint[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Albion.[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]tinytoonster[/bold] wrote: working people should get priority, we pay for it! no rush for the unemployed to get well.[/p][/quote]Ridiculous! Do you include those who have worked for 50yrs? And how would you go about deciding who works and who doesn't? Some people might care for someone else unofficially? “One of the problems is that there is a shortage of GPs in Bradford, alongside a growing population, so the demand is increasing. We already have a large level of demand. GPs surgeries are under severe pressure already." The main problem is due to the population rise.[/p][/quote]Indiscriminate breeding, socially irresponsible and has an impact on the rats that breed too. Then they complain that their baby was born in a maternity ward corridor because there weren't enough beds or that their child couldn't see a doctor for ten days.... Will they learn anything from this?[/p][/quote]I cannot believe that you have referred to people as rats. You horrible excuse for a human.[/p][/quote]In my opinion, in the modern day, indiscriminate breeding and the social problems that come with it merits the comparison. You of course have your own opinion and I may not agree with it but, as we live in 21st century UK - a great civilised nation that promotes freedom of speech, you are entitled to it and I therefore respect it.[/p][/quote]As you rightly point out we are endowed with freedom of speech but i do not respect your right to it when you use it describe people as you do. Your comparison to rats is lazy a bit pathetic and insulting and are probably the words of a frightened insecure bigot. pellethead
  • Score: -26

11:59am Mon 2 Jun 14

SinnerSaint says...

Nothing frightened, insecure or bigoted about me my friend.

Here in Bradford, schools, hospitals, GP Surgeries and public services for children are massively over subscribed. When youngsters reach employable age, there aren't any jobs for them.

This is a result of unbridled breeding.
Nothing frightened, insecure or bigoted about me my friend. Here in Bradford, schools, hospitals, GP Surgeries and public services for children are massively over subscribed. When youngsters reach employable age, there aren't any jobs for them. This is a result of unbridled breeding. SinnerSaint
  • Score: 32

12:14pm Mon 2 Jun 14

SinnerSaint says...

And by the way, you freely admit that you don't respect this country's freedom of speech or people's rights to have an opinion that differs to yours. That leads me to believe that you're probably one of those Bradfordians that doesn't respect anyone's right to have a religion or live a lifestyle that doesn't conform to yours.
And by the way, you freely admit that you don't respect this country's freedom of speech or people's rights to have an opinion that differs to yours. That leads me to believe that you're probably one of those Bradfordians that doesn't respect anyone's right to have a religion or live a lifestyle that doesn't conform to yours. SinnerSaint
  • Score: 22

1:29pm Mon 2 Jun 14

Ian H 1971 says...

Bradfordbull72 wrote:
Main problem is those that have come here with little or no understanding of what the nhs is, how it works and how its funded. The same people use it when they have a simple cough and cold and the extends to a and e. As for the difference in figures maybe in bath only 5% do not work and contribute to the nhs as opposed to the 22% here.
I agree and I am angered by the stupidity and ignorance of even the so called health professionals and employers, who frequently encourage me to use the GP when all that is required is proper rest and time to recover, plus keeping away from sources of further infection etc. It's all just plain common sense which appears to be a basic skill in danger of extinction.
[quote][p][bold]Bradfordbull72[/bold] wrote: Main problem is those that have come here with little or no understanding of what the nhs is, how it works and how its funded. The same people use it when they have a simple cough and cold and the extends to a and e. As for the difference in figures maybe in bath only 5% do not work and contribute to the nhs as opposed to the 22% here.[/p][/quote]I agree and I am angered by the stupidity and ignorance of even the so called health professionals and employers, who frequently encourage me to use the GP when all that is required is proper rest and time to recover, plus keeping away from sources of further infection etc. It's all just plain common sense which appears to be a basic skill in danger of extinction. Ian H 1971
  • Score: 7

1:34pm Mon 2 Jun 14

Ian H 1971 says...

pellethead wrote:
SinnerSaint wrote:
Albion. wrote:
tinytoonster wrote:
working people should get priority, we pay for it!
no rush for the unemployed to get well.
Ridiculous! Do you include those who have worked for 50yrs? And how would you go about deciding who works and who doesn't? Some people might care for someone else unofficially?

“One of the problems is that there is a shortage of GPs in Bradford, alongside a growing population, so the demand is increasing. We already have a large level of demand. GPs surgeries are under severe pressure already."

The main problem is due to the population rise.
Indiscriminate breeding, socially irresponsible and has an impact on the rats that breed too. Then they complain that their baby was born in a maternity ward corridor because there weren't enough beds or that their child couldn't see a doctor for ten days.... Will they learn anything from this?
I cannot believe that you have referred to people as rats. You horrible excuse for a human.
Good point because I am sure many clean and respectable middle class furry rats, would be horrified to be compared with the lower class breeds of human beings.
[quote][p][bold]pellethead[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]SinnerSaint[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Albion.[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]tinytoonster[/bold] wrote: working people should get priority, we pay for it! no rush for the unemployed to get well.[/p][/quote]Ridiculous! Do you include those who have worked for 50yrs? And how would you go about deciding who works and who doesn't? Some people might care for someone else unofficially? “One of the problems is that there is a shortage of GPs in Bradford, alongside a growing population, so the demand is increasing. We already have a large level of demand. GPs surgeries are under severe pressure already." The main problem is due to the population rise.[/p][/quote]Indiscriminate breeding, socially irresponsible and has an impact on the rats that breed too. Then they complain that their baby was born in a maternity ward corridor because there weren't enough beds or that their child couldn't see a doctor for ten days.... Will they learn anything from this?[/p][/quote]I cannot believe that you have referred to people as rats. You horrible excuse for a human.[/p][/quote]Good point because I am sure many clean and respectable middle class furry rats, would be horrified to be compared with the lower class breeds of human beings. Ian H 1971
  • Score: 11

2:10pm Mon 2 Jun 14

basil fawlty says...

Albion. wrote:
tinytoonster wrote: working people should get priority, we pay for it! no rush for the unemployed to get well.
Ridiculous! Do you include those who have worked for 50yrs? And how would you go about deciding who works and who doesn't? Some people might care for someone else unofficially? “One of the problems is that there is a shortage of GPs in Bradford, alongside a growing population, so the demand is increasing. We already have a large level of demand. GPs surgeries are under severe pressure already." The main problem is due to the population rise.
I'm pretty sure that the consequencies of a rapidly rising population will become a big political issue in the near future as to continue as we are is not sustainable if we wish to remain a wealthy nation. But for now, it's no good the politicians constantly teling us about the so-called net benefits of immigration without facing up to the costs and consequencies in places like Bradford. So well done Councillor Green for making the case.
[quote][p][bold]Albion.[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]tinytoonster[/bold] wrote: working people should get priority, we pay for it! no rush for the unemployed to get well.[/p][/quote]Ridiculous! Do you include those who have worked for 50yrs? And how would you go about deciding who works and who doesn't? Some people might care for someone else unofficially? “One of the problems is that there is a shortage of GPs in Bradford, alongside a growing population, so the demand is increasing. We already have a large level of demand. GPs surgeries are under severe pressure already." The main problem is due to the population rise.[/p][/quote]I'm pretty sure that the consequencies of a rapidly rising population will become a big political issue in the near future as to continue as we are is not sustainable if we wish to remain a wealthy nation. But for now, it's no good the politicians constantly teling us about the so-called net benefits of immigration without facing up to the costs and consequencies in places like Bradford. So well done Councillor Green for making the case. basil fawlty
  • Score: 5

2:48pm Mon 2 Jun 14

pcmanners says...

Albion. wrote:
tinytoonster wrote:
working people should get priority, we pay for it!
no rush for the unemployed to get well.
Ridiculous! Do you include those who have worked for 50yrs? And how would you go about deciding who works and who doesn't? Some people might care for someone else unofficially?

“One of the problems is that there is a shortage of GPs in Bradford, alongside a growing population, so the demand is increasing. We already have a large level of demand. GPs surgeries are under severe pressure already."

The main problem is due to the population rise.
I agree with Albion.

People should be allowed to have as many children as they wish but suffer the consequences if they cannot afford to keep them. Too much socialism has led to the expectation that the state will always hand out free stuff to those making an indigent lifestyle choice.

They need to be disabused of this. Why should the rest of us support kids the parents can't feed? Tax credits and free school meals should be abolished. We could learn a lot from China and it's one child law, we should adopt a similar policy and apply it to the poor.
[quote][p][bold]Albion.[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]tinytoonster[/bold] wrote: working people should get priority, we pay for it! no rush for the unemployed to get well.[/p][/quote]Ridiculous! Do you include those who have worked for 50yrs? And how would you go about deciding who works and who doesn't? Some people might care for someone else unofficially? “One of the problems is that there is a shortage of GPs in Bradford, alongside a growing population, so the demand is increasing. We already have a large level of demand. GPs surgeries are under severe pressure already." The main problem is due to the population rise.[/p][/quote]I agree with Albion. People should be allowed to have as many children as they wish but suffer the consequences if they cannot afford to keep them. Too much socialism has led to the expectation that the state will always hand out free stuff to those making an indigent lifestyle choice. They need to be disabused of this. Why should the rest of us support kids the parents can't feed? Tax credits and free school meals should be abolished. We could learn a lot from China and it's one child law, we should adopt a similar policy and apply it to the poor. pcmanners
  • Score: 27

3:17pm Mon 2 Jun 14

Grumpygirl says...

basil fawlty wrote:
Albion. wrote:
tinytoonster wrote: working people should get priority, we pay for it! no rush for the unemployed to get well.
Ridiculous! Do you include those who have worked for 50yrs? And how would you go about deciding who works and who doesn't? Some people might care for someone else unofficially? “One of the problems is that there is a shortage of GPs in Bradford, alongside a growing population, so the demand is increasing. We already have a large level of demand. GPs surgeries are under severe pressure already." The main problem is due to the population rise.
I'm pretty sure that the consequencies of a rapidly rising population will become a big political issue in the near future as to continue as we are is not sustainable if we wish to remain a wealthy nation. But for now, it's no good the politicians constantly teling us about the so-called net benefits of immigration without facing up to the costs and consequencies in places like Bradford. So well done Councillor Green for making the case.
True. The root of many of Bradford's problems is population growth but it's a hard topic to talk about with so many nitwits posting on this site.

Until Bradford gets its population under control, or spends the fortune it hasn't got building infra-structure on land that isn't there, the city will continue to fail.

There are two root causes. The Council are falling over themselves to generate extra tax revenue by allowing developers to build family homes in places where the necessary facilities are not in place. Cllr. Slater's deeply flawed Core Strategy is all about finding the land to meet the developer's housing demands. Instead it should be a policy for restraining demand to a level that the infra structure can support.

The second is the size of families. This situation will self-correct in a decade or two when it is realised that having a large family makes finding good homes and jobs for your kids very difficult. However until the penny drops we are all in for a difficult time. In this PC, laissez faire, world of ours there's not much that can be done except wait. Unless, of course, Cllr Green and his City Hall mates want to take a lead.
[quote][p][bold]basil fawlty[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Albion.[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]tinytoonster[/bold] wrote: working people should get priority, we pay for it! no rush for the unemployed to get well.[/p][/quote]Ridiculous! Do you include those who have worked for 50yrs? And how would you go about deciding who works and who doesn't? Some people might care for someone else unofficially? “One of the problems is that there is a shortage of GPs in Bradford, alongside a growing population, so the demand is increasing. We already have a large level of demand. GPs surgeries are under severe pressure already." The main problem is due to the population rise.[/p][/quote]I'm pretty sure that the consequencies of a rapidly rising population will become a big political issue in the near future as to continue as we are is not sustainable if we wish to remain a wealthy nation. But for now, it's no good the politicians constantly teling us about the so-called net benefits of immigration without facing up to the costs and consequencies in places like Bradford. So well done Councillor Green for making the case.[/p][/quote]True. The root of many of Bradford's problems is population growth but it's a hard topic to talk about with so many nitwits posting on this site. Until Bradford gets its population under control, or spends the fortune it hasn't got building infra-structure on land that isn't there, the city will continue to fail. There are two root causes. The Council are falling over themselves to generate extra tax revenue by allowing developers to build family homes in places where the necessary facilities are not in place. Cllr. Slater's deeply flawed Core Strategy is all about finding the land to meet the developer's housing demands. Instead it should be a policy for restraining demand to a level that the infra structure can support. The second is the size of families. This situation will self-correct in a decade or two when it is realised that having a large family makes finding good homes and jobs for your kids very difficult. However until the penny drops we are all in for a difficult time. In this PC, laissez faire, world of ours there's not much that can be done except wait. Unless, of course, Cllr Green and his City Hall mates want to take a lead. Grumpygirl
  • Score: 19

3:57pm Mon 2 Jun 14

SurprisedByJoyce says...

sorrow&anger wrote:
Five times as many people in Bradford can't get to see a GP s in the affluent South. Another league table and we're at the bottom. Cllr Green says it’s about time “somebody” woke up and recognised what is happening in Bradford. That somebody is him.

Inner Bradford is a poverty stricken, derelict dump, with all the characteristics of a failing third world country. It is Cllr Greens responsibility, and his alone, to regenerate Bradford. Instead all we get are 'Producer City' talking shops, glossy brochures that nobody reads and flagship projects like Buck Lane that fail before they've even started
It's a fact that always seems to be ignored but the world total fertility rate has dropped to an almost replacement-only value of 2.5 children. Most of the developing world has got the message that large families are not a good idea.

In the UK the overall fertility rate is 1.92, below replacement, unfortunately Bradford bucks this trend, with an overall fertility rate of 2.4. There are however huge difference between the various groups. For instance the latest BiB (Born in Bradford) report shows that approximately 39% mothers are of white origin and 45% are Pakistani (16% belong to other multiple ethnic groups). However 67% of the city's population is white and 27% Asian. So roughly for every single white child there will three Asian children.

It's a touchy subject but Cllr. Green needs the courage to tackle it or Bradford will just continue sinking.
[quote][p][bold]sorrow&anger[/bold] wrote: Five times as many people in Bradford can't get to see a GP s in the affluent South. Another league table and we're at the bottom. Cllr Green says it’s about time “somebody” woke up and recognised what is happening in Bradford. That somebody is him. Inner Bradford is a poverty stricken, derelict dump, with all the characteristics of a failing third world country. It is Cllr Greens responsibility, and his alone, to regenerate Bradford. Instead all we get are 'Producer City' talking shops, glossy brochures that nobody reads and flagship projects like Buck Lane that fail before they've even started[/p][/quote]It's a fact that always seems to be ignored but the world total fertility rate has dropped to an almost replacement-only value of 2.5 children. Most of the developing world has got the message that large families are not a good idea. In the UK the overall fertility rate is 1.92, below replacement, unfortunately Bradford bucks this trend, with an overall fertility rate of 2.4. There are however huge difference between the various groups. For instance the latest BiB (Born in Bradford) report shows that approximately 39% mothers are of white origin and 45% are Pakistani (16% belong to other multiple ethnic groups). However 67% of the city's population is white and 27% Asian. So roughly for every single white child there will three Asian children. It's a touchy subject but Cllr. Green needs the courage to tackle it or Bradford will just continue sinking. SurprisedByJoyce
  • Score: 24

4:04pm Mon 2 Jun 14

SinnerSaint says...

Yep. Someone could use the argument that they support their 12 kids. Ok - they feed, clothe and house them but who births them, heals them, vaccinates them, educates them?

It's extremely selfish and totally irresponsible. The social impact is disastrous and we're already seeing the negative effect here in Bradford.
Yep. Someone could use the argument that they support their 12 kids. Ok - they feed, clothe and house them but who births them, heals them, vaccinates them, educates them? It's extremely selfish and totally irresponsible. The social impact is disastrous and we're already seeing the negative effect here in Bradford. SinnerSaint
  • Score: 14

4:17pm Mon 2 Jun 14

Robin of Loxley says...

pellethead wrote:
SinnerSaint wrote:
Albion. wrote:
tinytoonster wrote:
working people should get priority, we pay for it!
no rush for the unemployed to get well.
Ridiculous! Do you include those who have worked for 50yrs? And how would you go about deciding who works and who doesn't? Some people might care for someone else unofficially?

“One of the problems is that there is a shortage of GPs in Bradford, alongside a growing population, so the demand is increasing. We already have a large level of demand. GPs surgeries are under severe pressure already."

The main problem is due to the population rise.
Indiscriminate breeding, socially irresponsible and has an impact on the rats that breed too. Then they complain that their baby was born in a maternity ward corridor because there weren't enough beds or that their child couldn't see a doctor for ten days.... Will they learn anything from this?
I cannot believe that you have referred to people as rats. You horrible excuse for a human.
Rats usually refer to others as the same :)

Don't worry about him. No-one takes a blind bit of notice of what the racist says.
[quote][p][bold]pellethead[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]SinnerSaint[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Albion.[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]tinytoonster[/bold] wrote: working people should get priority, we pay for it! no rush for the unemployed to get well.[/p][/quote]Ridiculous! Do you include those who have worked for 50yrs? And how would you go about deciding who works and who doesn't? Some people might care for someone else unofficially? “One of the problems is that there is a shortage of GPs in Bradford, alongside a growing population, so the demand is increasing. We already have a large level of demand. GPs surgeries are under severe pressure already." The main problem is due to the population rise.[/p][/quote]Indiscriminate breeding, socially irresponsible and has an impact on the rats that breed too. Then they complain that their baby was born in a maternity ward corridor because there weren't enough beds or that their child couldn't see a doctor for ten days.... Will they learn anything from this?[/p][/quote]I cannot believe that you have referred to people as rats. You horrible excuse for a human.[/p][/quote]Rats usually refer to others as the same :) Don't worry about him. No-one takes a blind bit of notice of what the racist says. Robin of Loxley
  • Score: 32

4:31pm Mon 2 Jun 14

SinnerSaint says...

Always a good idea to attack someone with the racist weapon at the earliest opportunity eh Hoff? Shuts them up immediately...

I'm not a racist but good try.
Always a good idea to attack someone with the racist weapon at the earliest opportunity eh Hoff? Shuts them up immediately... I'm not a racist but good try. SinnerSaint
  • Score: -28

4:43pm Mon 2 Jun 14

SinnerSaint says...

LOL!!! Hoff, you are a sad, sad individual but I didn't realise you had that much time on your hands or were that petty!!

Whatever floats your boat mate. Crack on
LOL!!! Hoff, you are a sad, sad individual but I didn't realise you had that much time on your hands or were that petty!! Whatever floats your boat mate. Crack on SinnerSaint
  • Score: -17

4:48pm Mon 2 Jun 14

pellethead says...

SinnerSaint wrote:
Nothing frightened, insecure or bigoted about me my friend.

Here in Bradford, schools, hospitals, GP Surgeries and public services for children are massively over subscribed. When youngsters reach employable age, there aren't any jobs for them.

This is a result of unbridled breeding.
Please tell exactly which community you mean when you use the term "rats"
[quote][p][bold]SinnerSaint[/bold] wrote: Nothing frightened, insecure or bigoted about me my friend. Here in Bradford, schools, hospitals, GP Surgeries and public services for children are massively over subscribed. When youngsters reach employable age, there aren't any jobs for them. This is a result of unbridled breeding.[/p][/quote]Please tell exactly which community you mean when you use the term "rats" pellethead
  • Score: 20

4:55pm Mon 2 Jun 14

SinnerSaint says...

I wasn't referring to any particular community. Just people who breed indiscriminately. There are large families of all colours, creeds and religions. Large families are socially irresponsible in the modern day - we are already experiencing massive social issues because of the birth rate.

Breeding like rats or flies or rabbits are well known and widely used phrases. Perhaps if I had used rabbits you wouldn't be so upset?
I wasn't referring to any particular community. Just people who breed indiscriminately. There are large families of all colours, creeds and religions. Large families are socially irresponsible in the modern day - we are already experiencing massive social issues because of the birth rate. Breeding like rats or flies or rabbits are well known and widely used phrases. Perhaps if I had used rabbits you wouldn't be so upset? SinnerSaint
  • Score: -17

5:02pm Mon 2 Jun 14

Robin of Loxley says...

SinnerSaint wrote:
LOL!!! Hoff, you are a sad, sad individual but I didn't realise you had that much time on your hands or were that petty!!

Whatever floats your boat mate. Crack on
Dunno what you're talking about, buddy.
[quote][p][bold]SinnerSaint[/bold] wrote: LOL!!! Hoff, you are a sad, sad individual but I didn't realise you had that much time on your hands or were that petty!! Whatever floats your boat mate. Crack on[/p][/quote]Dunno what you're talking about, buddy. Robin of Loxley
  • Score: 18

5:05pm Mon 2 Jun 14

SinnerSaint says...

Robin of Loxley wrote:
SinnerSaint wrote:
LOL!!! Hoff, you are a sad, sad individual but I didn't realise you had that much time on your hands or were that petty!!

Whatever floats your boat mate. Crack on
Dunno what you're talking about, buddy.
Robin? I was talking to somebody called Hoff - why are you responding? Shouldn't you be stealing from the rich or something? LOL!!!
[quote][p][bold]Robin of Loxley[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]SinnerSaint[/bold] wrote: LOL!!! Hoff, you are a sad, sad individual but I didn't realise you had that much time on your hands or were that petty!! Whatever floats your boat mate. Crack on[/p][/quote]Dunno what you're talking about, buddy.[/p][/quote]Robin? I was talking to somebody called Hoff - why are you responding? Shouldn't you be stealing from the rich or something? LOL!!! SinnerSaint
  • Score: -17

5:05pm Mon 2 Jun 14

pellethead says...

SinnerSaint wrote:
I wasn't referring to any particular community. Just people who breed indiscriminately. There are large families of all colours, creeds and religions. Large families are socially irresponsible in the modern day - we are already experiencing massive social issues because of the birth rate.

Breeding like rats or flies or rabbits are well known and widely used phrases. Perhaps if I had used rabbits you wouldn't be so upset?
I"“This year, for the first time, NHS England introduced a deprivation factor into local health budgets".

They need to introduce an Islamisation factor too. It's the fastest growing religion but I don't see hordes of white English people abandoning their cars in the middle of the road for Friday prayers. Proliferation by breeding is killing the infrastructure in Bradford.

Schools, GPs, maternity wards, hospitals are all struggling and who is paying for it? The healthcare and education of our children is already suffering yet the elephant in the room continues to be ignored.

It is an irretrievable situation, an unstoppable juggernaut protected by an impenetrable force field of political correctness.

Backtracking a bit are we? Im not upset. Just my attempt at "outing" you as a frightened bigotted racist. See above
[quote][p][bold]SinnerSaint[/bold] wrote: I wasn't referring to any particular community. Just people who breed indiscriminately. There are large families of all colours, creeds and religions. Large families are socially irresponsible in the modern day - we are already experiencing massive social issues because of the birth rate. Breeding like rats or flies or rabbits are well known and widely used phrases. Perhaps if I had used rabbits you wouldn't be so upset?[/p][/quote]I"“This year, for the first time, NHS England introduced a deprivation factor into local health budgets". They need to introduce an Islamisation factor too. It's the fastest growing religion but I don't see hordes of white English people abandoning their cars in the middle of the road for Friday prayers. Proliferation by breeding is killing the infrastructure in Bradford. Schools, GPs, maternity wards, hospitals are all struggling and who is paying for it? The healthcare and education of our children is already suffering yet the elephant in the room continues to be ignored. It is an irretrievable situation, an unstoppable juggernaut protected by an impenetrable force field of political correctness. Backtracking a bit are we? Im not upset. Just my attempt at "outing" you as a frightened bigotted racist. See above pellethead
  • Score: 23

5:12pm Mon 2 Jun 14

SinnerSaint says...

Outing me as a racist? My wife is Indian, my children are practising Hindus.

Before partition, India and Pakistan were the same country and therefore the same race.

So you're telling me that I hate my wife and kids?!!! LOL!!
Outing me as a racist? My wife is Indian, my children are practising Hindus. Before partition, India and Pakistan were the same country and therefore the same race. So you're telling me that I hate my wife and kids?!!! LOL!! SinnerSaint
  • Score: -13

5:33pm Mon 2 Jun 14

pellethead says...

SinnerSaint wrote:
Outing me as a racist? My wife is Indian, my children are practising Hindus.

Before partition, India and Pakistan were the same country and therefore the same race.

So you're telling me that I hate my wife and kids?!!! LOL!!
What difference does that make?
[quote][p][bold]SinnerSaint[/bold] wrote: Outing me as a racist? My wife is Indian, my children are practising Hindus. Before partition, India and Pakistan were the same country and therefore the same race. So you're telling me that I hate my wife and kids?!!! LOL!![/p][/quote]What difference does that make? pellethead
  • Score: 14

5:35pm Mon 2 Jun 14

SinnerSaint says...

To help with your confusion because it seems that you are getting mixed up over the two:

religion noun 1 a belief in, or the worship of, a god or gods. 2 a particular system of belief or worship, such as Christianity or Judaism.

race2 noun 1 any of the major divisions of humankind distinguished by a particular set of physical characteristics, such as size, hair type or skin colour.

Always happy to help with educating the ignorant. My pleasure. Although I do appreciate that there are followers of certain religion who are so sensitive that they deliberately mix the two in order to prevent any criticism - so much so that they have even created their own word to describe it.

Like my wife says - there's no such word as Hinduphobia.
To help with your confusion because it seems that you are getting mixed up over the two: religion noun 1 a belief in, or the worship of, a god or gods. 2 a particular system of belief or worship, such as Christianity or Judaism. race2 noun 1 any of the major divisions of humankind distinguished by a particular set of physical characteristics, such as size, hair type or skin colour. Always happy to help with educating the ignorant. My pleasure. Although I do appreciate that there are followers of certain religion who are so sensitive that they deliberately mix the two in order to prevent any criticism - so much so that they have even created their own word to describe it. Like my wife says - there's no such word as Hinduphobia. SinnerSaint
  • Score: -13

5:36pm Mon 2 Jun 14

pcmanners says...

Grumpygirl wrote:
basil fawlty wrote:
Albion. wrote:
tinytoonster wrote: working people should get priority, we pay for it! no rush for the unemployed to get well.
Ridiculous! Do you include those who have worked for 50yrs? And how would you go about deciding who works and who doesn't? Some people might care for someone else unofficially? “One of the problems is that there is a shortage of GPs in Bradford, alongside a growing population, so the demand is increasing. We already have a large level of demand. GPs surgeries are under severe pressure already." The main problem is due to the population rise.
I'm pretty sure that the consequencies of a rapidly rising population will become a big political issue in the near future as to continue as we are is not sustainable if we wish to remain a wealthy nation. But for now, it's no good the politicians constantly teling us about the so-called net benefits of immigration without facing up to the costs and consequencies in places like Bradford. So well done Councillor Green for making the case.
True. The root of many of Bradford's problems is population growth but it's a hard topic to talk about with so many nitwits posting on this site.

Until Bradford gets its population under control, or spends the fortune it hasn't got building infra-structure on land that isn't there, the city will continue to fail.

There are two root causes. The Council are falling over themselves to generate extra tax revenue by allowing developers to build family homes in places where the necessary facilities are not in place. Cllr. Slater's deeply flawed Core Strategy is all about finding the land to meet the developer's housing demands. Instead it should be a policy for restraining demand to a level that the infra structure can support.

The second is the size of families. This situation will self-correct in a decade or two when it is realised that having a large family makes finding good homes and jobs for your kids very difficult. However until the penny drops we are all in for a difficult time. In this PC, laissez faire, world of ours there's not much that can be done except wait. Unless, of course, Cllr Green and his City Hall mates want to take a lead.
Councillor Green will never do anything about these problems. Just as every extra house whether there is a GP for it or not bring will in more Council tax, so every extra Asian baby will be another vote for Labour.

But he has a tiger by the tail. Just as the Roman Catholics in Northern Ireland will breed themselves into total dominance so will the Asians in Bradford. The once dominant majority will find itself a reviled and ignored minority. Once this happens does Councillor Green think he will be allowed to keep his leadership of the Labour party?
[quote][p][bold]Grumpygirl[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]basil fawlty[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Albion.[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]tinytoonster[/bold] wrote: working people should get priority, we pay for it! no rush for the unemployed to get well.[/p][/quote]Ridiculous! Do you include those who have worked for 50yrs? And how would you go about deciding who works and who doesn't? Some people might care for someone else unofficially? “One of the problems is that there is a shortage of GPs in Bradford, alongside a growing population, so the demand is increasing. We already have a large level of demand. GPs surgeries are under severe pressure already." The main problem is due to the population rise.[/p][/quote]I'm pretty sure that the consequencies of a rapidly rising population will become a big political issue in the near future as to continue as we are is not sustainable if we wish to remain a wealthy nation. But for now, it's no good the politicians constantly teling us about the so-called net benefits of immigration without facing up to the costs and consequencies in places like Bradford. So well done Councillor Green for making the case.[/p][/quote]True. The root of many of Bradford's problems is population growth but it's a hard topic to talk about with so many nitwits posting on this site. Until Bradford gets its population under control, or spends the fortune it hasn't got building infra-structure on land that isn't there, the city will continue to fail. There are two root causes. The Council are falling over themselves to generate extra tax revenue by allowing developers to build family homes in places where the necessary facilities are not in place. Cllr. Slater's deeply flawed Core Strategy is all about finding the land to meet the developer's housing demands. Instead it should be a policy for restraining demand to a level that the infra structure can support. The second is the size of families. This situation will self-correct in a decade or two when it is realised that having a large family makes finding good homes and jobs for your kids very difficult. However until the penny drops we are all in for a difficult time. In this PC, laissez faire, world of ours there's not much that can be done except wait. Unless, of course, Cllr Green and his City Hall mates want to take a lead.[/p][/quote]Councillor Green will never do anything about these problems. Just as every extra house whether there is a GP for it or not bring will in more Council tax, so every extra Asian baby will be another vote for Labour. But he has a tiger by the tail. Just as the Roman Catholics in Northern Ireland will breed themselves into total dominance so will the Asians in Bradford. The once dominant majority will find itself a reviled and ignored minority. Once this happens does Councillor Green think he will be allowed to keep his leadership of the Labour party? pcmanners
  • Score: 21

6:01pm Mon 2 Jun 14

Robin of Loxley says...

SinnerSaint wrote:
Outing me as a racist? My wife is Indian, my children are practising Hindus.

Before partition, India and Pakistan were the same country and therefore the same race.

So you're telling me that I hate my wife and kids?!!! LOL!!
To get around the 'racism bit', all you have to do is mention the victims' religion.

That's what the likes of the vile BNP/EDL do.

So transparent...
[quote][p][bold]SinnerSaint[/bold] wrote: Outing me as a racist? My wife is Indian, my children are practising Hindus. Before partition, India and Pakistan were the same country and therefore the same race. So you're telling me that I hate my wife and kids?!!! LOL!![/p][/quote]To get around the 'racism bit', all you have to do is mention the victims' religion. That's what the likes of the vile BNP/EDL do. So transparent... Robin of Loxley
  • Score: -9

6:35pm Mon 2 Jun 14

tinytoonster says...

Albion. wrote:
tinytoonster wrote:
working people should get priority, we pay for it!
no rush for the unemployed to get well.
Ridiculous! Do you include those who have worked for 50yrs? And how would you go about deciding who works and who doesn't? Some people might care for someone else unofficially?

“One of the problems is that there is a shortage of GPs in Bradford, alongside a growing population, so the demand is increasing. We already have a large level of demand. GPs surgeries are under severe pressure already."

The main problem is due to the population rise.
not that many people left in bradford who have worked 50 years!
any pensioners with a pension and common sense have moved out of bradford to the aire valley or east coast areas!
not my job to decide how to do it, i work for a living so no time to come up with ideas.
but a separate working person type i.d number would be easy to set up.
computerised system linked to income tax payers.
the government knows everything anyway with their big brother monitoring systems.
[quote][p][bold]Albion.[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]tinytoonster[/bold] wrote: working people should get priority, we pay for it! no rush for the unemployed to get well.[/p][/quote]Ridiculous! Do you include those who have worked for 50yrs? And how would you go about deciding who works and who doesn't? Some people might care for someone else unofficially? “One of the problems is that there is a shortage of GPs in Bradford, alongside a growing population, so the demand is increasing. We already have a large level of demand. GPs surgeries are under severe pressure already." The main problem is due to the population rise.[/p][/quote]not that many people left in bradford who have worked 50 years! any pensioners with a pension and common sense have moved out of bradford to the aire valley or east coast areas! not my job to decide how to do it, i work for a living so no time to come up with ideas. but a separate working person type i.d number would be easy to set up. computerised system linked to income tax payers. the government knows everything anyway with their big brother monitoring systems. tinytoonster
  • Score: 3

6:46pm Mon 2 Jun 14

Andy2010 says...

Robin of Loxley wrote:
SinnerSaint wrote:
Outing me as a racist? My wife is Indian, my children are practising Hindus.

Before partition, India and Pakistan were the same country and therefore the same race.

So you're telling me that I hate my wife and kids?!!! LOL!!
To get around the 'racism bit', all you have to do is mention the victims' religion.

That's what the likes of the vile BNP/EDL do.

So transparent...
Hi Hoffster....why the user name change? Get banned again did we?
[quote][p][bold]Robin of Loxley[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]SinnerSaint[/bold] wrote: Outing me as a racist? My wife is Indian, my children are practising Hindus. Before partition, India and Pakistan were the same country and therefore the same race. So you're telling me that I hate my wife and kids?!!! LOL!![/p][/quote]To get around the 'racism bit', all you have to do is mention the victims' religion. That's what the likes of the vile BNP/EDL do. So transparent...[/p][/quote]Hi Hoffster....why the user name change? Get banned again did we? Andy2010
  • Score: 11

6:50pm Mon 2 Jun 14

SinnerSaint says...

Andy2010 wrote:
Robin of Loxley wrote:
SinnerSaint wrote:
Outing me as a racist? My wife is Indian, my children are practising Hindus.

Before partition, India and Pakistan were the same country and therefore the same race.

So you're telling me that I hate my wife and kids?!!! LOL!!
To get around the 'racism bit', all you have to do is mention the victims' religion.

That's what the likes of the vile BNP/EDL do.

So transparent...
Hi Hoffster....why the user name change? Get banned again did we?
Gone from driving a black Trans Am to riding a horse in the woods shooting arrows 😂😂😂😂😂
[quote][p][bold]Andy2010[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Robin of Loxley[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]SinnerSaint[/bold] wrote: Outing me as a racist? My wife is Indian, my children are practising Hindus. Before partition, India and Pakistan were the same country and therefore the same race. So you're telling me that I hate my wife and kids?!!! LOL!![/p][/quote]To get around the 'racism bit', all you have to do is mention the victims' religion. That's what the likes of the vile BNP/EDL do. So transparent...[/p][/quote]Hi Hoffster....why the user name change? Get banned again did we?[/p][/quote]Gone from driving a black Trans Am to riding a horse in the woods shooting arrows 😂😂😂😂😂 SinnerSaint
  • Score: 7

7:39pm Mon 2 Jun 14

BertSanders says...

I do not consider it has anything to do with financial situation - it has nore to with the ability to use a phone. Often I just give up - but fortunately I do no go to the doctor very often. Its easier to go to a walk in appointment and maybe start from there.
I do not consider it has anything to do with financial situation - it has nore to with the ability to use a phone. Often I just give up - but fortunately I do no go to the doctor very often. Its easier to go to a walk in appointment and maybe start from there. BertSanders
  • Score: 3

7:54pm Mon 2 Jun 14

Albion. says...

tinytoonster wrote:
Albion. wrote:
tinytoonster wrote:
working people should get priority, we pay for it!
no rush for the unemployed to get well.
Ridiculous! Do you include those who have worked for 50yrs? And how would you go about deciding who works and who doesn't? Some people might care for someone else unofficially?

“One of the problems is that there is a shortage of GPs in Bradford, alongside a growing population, so the demand is increasing. We already have a large level of demand. GPs surgeries are under severe pressure already."

The main problem is due to the population rise.
not that many people left in bradford who have worked 50 years!
any pensioners with a pension and common sense have moved out of bradford to the aire valley or east coast areas!
not my job to decide how to do it, i work for a living so no time to come up with ideas.
but a separate working person type i.d number would be easy to set up.
computerised system linked to income tax payers.
the government knows everything anyway with their big brother monitoring systems.
Would it hell! it would cost a fortune! We aren't just talking of the city here, the whole Bradford district is huge. If you wan't to start being stupid, how about if someone is out of work but has paid twenty years of contributions, does someone who has paid virtually nothing but just happens to be in some menial employment which is considered non-essential by the rest of the community (painting fences or something), get priority?
[quote][p][bold]tinytoonster[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Albion.[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]tinytoonster[/bold] wrote: working people should get priority, we pay for it! no rush for the unemployed to get well.[/p][/quote]Ridiculous! Do you include those who have worked for 50yrs? And how would you go about deciding who works and who doesn't? Some people might care for someone else unofficially? “One of the problems is that there is a shortage of GPs in Bradford, alongside a growing population, so the demand is increasing. We already have a large level of demand. GPs surgeries are under severe pressure already." The main problem is due to the population rise.[/p][/quote]not that many people left in bradford who have worked 50 years! any pensioners with a pension and common sense have moved out of bradford to the aire valley or east coast areas! not my job to decide how to do it, i work for a living so no time to come up with ideas. but a separate working person type i.d number would be easy to set up. computerised system linked to income tax payers. the government knows everything anyway with their big brother monitoring systems.[/p][/quote]Would it hell! it would cost a fortune! We aren't just talking of the city here, the whole Bradford district is huge. If you wan't to start being stupid, how about if someone is out of work but has paid twenty years of contributions, does someone who has paid virtually nothing but just happens to be in some menial employment which is considered non-essential by the rest of the community (painting fences or something), get priority? Albion.
  • Score: 3

8:17pm Mon 2 Jun 14

Robin of Loxley says...

SinnerSaint wrote:
Andy2010 wrote:
Robin of Loxley wrote:
SinnerSaint wrote:
Outing me as a racist? My wife is Indian, my children are practising Hindus.

Before partition, India and Pakistan were the same country and therefore the same race.

So you're telling me that I hate my wife and kids?!!! LOL!!
To get around the 'racism bit', all you have to do is mention the victims' religion.

That's what the likes of the vile BNP/EDL do.

So transparent...
Hi Hoffster....why the user name change? Get banned again did we?
Gone from driving a black Trans Am to riding a horse in the woods shooting arrows 😂😂😂😂😂
😂 😂 😂
[quote][p][bold]SinnerSaint[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Andy2010[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Robin of Loxley[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]SinnerSaint[/bold] wrote: Outing me as a racist? My wife is Indian, my children are practising Hindus. Before partition, India and Pakistan were the same country and therefore the same race. So you're telling me that I hate my wife and kids?!!! LOL!![/p][/quote]To get around the 'racism bit', all you have to do is mention the victims' religion. That's what the likes of the vile BNP/EDL do. So transparent...[/p][/quote]Hi Hoffster....why the user name change? Get banned again did we?[/p][/quote]Gone from driving a black Trans Am to riding a horse in the woods shooting arrows 😂😂😂😂😂[/p][/quote]😂 😂 😂 Robin of Loxley
  • Score: -5

10:46am Tue 3 Jun 14

flogem says...

I hope Cllr Green can get an appointment to see a shrink at the earliest opportunity.He really believes if he gets more funding he will spend it wisely.
Dream on.
I hope Cllr Green can get an appointment to see a shrink at the earliest opportunity.He really believes if he gets more funding he will spend it wisely. Dream on. flogem
  • Score: 5

10:02pm Tue 3 Jun 14

corinthian44 says...

This is Bradford, of course you're treated like rubbish; unless!
This is Bradford, of course you're treated like rubbish; unless! corinthian44
  • Score: 4

12:54am Fri 6 Jun 14

say_it_as_it_is says...

SinnerSaint wrote:
Outing me as a racist? My wife is Indian, my children are practising Hindus.

Before partition, India and Pakistan were the same country and therefore the same race.

So you're telling me that I hate my wife and kids?!!! LOL!!
I hope your children grow up to be moderate Hindus, not like the extremist ones that have killed many Sikhs, Muslims and Christians.
Are rats not sacred in the Hindu Religion??
[quote][p][bold]SinnerSaint[/bold] wrote: Outing me as a racist? My wife is Indian, my children are practising Hindus. Before partition, India and Pakistan were the same country and therefore the same race. So you're telling me that I hate my wife and kids?!!! LOL!![/p][/quote]I hope your children grow up to be moderate Hindus, not like the extremist ones that have killed many Sikhs, Muslims and Christians. Are rats not sacred in the Hindu Religion?? say_it_as_it_is
  • Score: 0

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