Enthusiasts given access to cinema to salvage historic paraphernalia

Bradford Telegraph and Argus: From left, Mark Nicholson, Matt Shaw and Vicky Leith in the Thornton Road tower of the Odeon From left, Mark Nicholson, Matt Shaw and Vicky Leith in the Thornton Road tower of the Odeon

Precious documents recording the history of a former grand city building have been salvaged by the Bradford Odeon Rescue Group (Borg).

Members were allowed into the Odeon on Wednesday after hearing that it was to be emptied.

Borg secretary Mark Nicholson, who approached owners Bradford Council for access, said: “When I was informed that parts of the Odeon’s interior were going to be stripped out and disposed of, I immediately thought of the many precious documents that had been left in offices when the cinema closed.

“The thought of potentially historically important documents being ‘skipped’ without a second thought horrified me.”

Mr Nicholson, who describes himself as a fervent Odeon archivist, was allowed to take two people on his hunt for Odeon paraphernalia.

“I invited Matt Shaw from Borg and Vicky Leith,” he said.

“Vicky has played an enormous role in several past Borg efforts and events.”

Borg joined a member of Bradford Council’s Regeneration Department and the project manager overseeing stripping out works this summer. They toured the building, including many areas that had previously not been accessible, such as all three projection rooms, the restaurant ceiling void and the upper balcony lounge.

Mr Nicholson said they found a “treasure trove” of information dating back to the 1950s.

“The documents and letters we found are amazing, some even invaluable.

“I found a postcard from the 1960s that had been sent to the Gaumont’s general manager from the Wurtlitzer company stating the date they were coming to service the organ,” he said.

“There are also weekly film schedules and cinema attendance information from the last few years of the Odeon’s operational life, so this information encompasses several decades.”

Vicky Leith said: “The experience of simply being in there again was wonderful. Some of the areas look a little rough but the amazing thing is you can see glimpses of the theatre’s original architecture and past hidden away in the voids.

“The restaurant ceiling was awesome to see. I didn’t think it was spooky or anything in there either. All I could see was a beautiful building with loads of potential.”

Mr Shaw added: “The layout of the building made more sense to me on this visit, but the amount of rooms and backstage areas is still unbelievable.”

Mr Nicholson said: “I am personally very impressed by the Council’s respect for the Odeon and its history. These documents are now in very safe hands.”

He intends to include information from the finds in a book about the Odeon.

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8:11am Fri 16 May 14

Avro says...

If no decision has been made on the outcome of the Odeon, why is it being stripped?

Surely any memorabilia found is the property of the owner of the building (Council) which should be retinied or dontated to such as the Media Museum for public display?

BORG have no right to it!
If no decision has been made on the outcome of the Odeon, why is it being stripped? Surely any memorabilia found is the property of the owner of the building (Council) which should be retinied or dontated to such as the Media Museum for public display? BORG have no right to it! Avro
  • Score: -14

8:29am Fri 16 May 14

nosher says...

Would be really interesting to have a look inside this old building
Would be really interesting to have a look inside this old building nosher
  • Score: 14

8:54am Fri 16 May 14

rustynutz says...

Avro wrote:
If no decision has been made on the outcome of the Odeon, why is it being stripped?

Surely any memorabilia found is the property of the owner of the building (Council) which should be retinied or dontated to such as the Media Museum for public display?

BORG have no right to it!
It says that BORG approached the council and went in with the council. By the sounds of it BORG did another good thing and you are a bit peeved. If anybodyhas a right to it its them.
[quote][p][bold]Avro[/bold] wrote: If no decision has been made on the outcome of the Odeon, why is it being stripped? Surely any memorabilia found is the property of the owner of the building (Council) which should be retinied or dontated to such as the Media Museum for public display? BORG have no right to it![/p][/quote]It says that BORG approached the council and went in with the council. By the sounds of it BORG did another good thing and you are a bit peeved. If anybodyhas a right to it its them. rustynutz
  • Score: 24

9:26am Fri 16 May 14

AndyWineHands says...

What will happen to the items now? Who owns them?
What will happen to the items now? Who owns them? AndyWineHands
  • Score: 4

9:37am Fri 16 May 14

mattshaw says...

Statement from BORG:
The Council have made detailed notes of what has been removed by BORG and we are obliged to offer the Local Studies dept first refusal on any items we have salvaged. Important historical memorabilia was recovered along with plaster mouldings. (that had fallen from the ceiling - not removed). Such items are very important to future developers who may want to reproduce the period detailing from the original building. As Council approved and trusted historical custodians of the Odeon building, BORG are working with the Council to offer our historical and architectural knowledge of the building to future developers who want to sympathetically restore the former Odeon building.

We can also confirm that the building is being stripped of combustable material such as the old seating/furniture. This will aid the teams of engineers from the two teams wanting to redevelop the building so that they can survey the building safely. BORG also wanted to see the current state of the building after the recent asbestos removal, and can confirm that the building is in a much better shape than previously stated. We will shortly be releasing photographs of the interior on our website for all to see, www.bradfordodeonres
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Statement from BORG: The Council have made detailed notes of what has been removed by BORG and we are obliged to offer the Local Studies dept first refusal on any items we have salvaged. Important historical memorabilia was recovered along with plaster mouldings. (that had fallen from the ceiling - not removed). Such items are very important to future developers who may want to reproduce the period detailing from the original building. As Council approved and trusted historical custodians of the Odeon building, BORG are working with the Council to offer our historical and architectural knowledge of the building to future developers who want to sympathetically restore the former Odeon building. We can also confirm that the building is being stripped of combustable material such as the old seating/furniture. This will aid the teams of engineers from the two teams wanting to redevelop the building so that they can survey the building safely. BORG also wanted to see the current state of the building after the recent asbestos removal, and can confirm that the building is in a much better shape than previously stated. We will shortly be releasing photographs of the interior on our website for all to see, www.bradfordodeonres cuegroup.co.uk mattshaw
  • Score: 24

10:19am Fri 16 May 14

Mark Nicholson says...

rustynutz wrote:
Avro wrote:
If no decision has been made on the outcome of the Odeon, why is it being stripped?

Surely any memorabilia found is the property of the owner of the building (Council) which should be retinied or dontated to such as the Media Museum for public display?

BORG have no right to it!
It says that BORG approached the council and went in with the council. By the sounds of it BORG did another good thing and you are a bit peeved. If anybodyhas a right to it its them.
Cheers rustynutz! As my BORG colleague Matt has stated, I have an agreement with Bradford Council that once I have scanned the letters and documents I require for my book project, the entire bundle (two large bags worth) will be taken to the Local Studies team for their consideration. The documents they do not wish to retain will be held in BORG's archives. The Council recognise our status as the Historical Custodians of the Odeon and have themselves utilised the technical information in our archives in recent months.

I have yet to go through everything (some of it is drying out) but I have since discovered that the efforts of myself, Matt and Vicky has resulted in items such as the typed setlist from Helen Shapiro's first visit to the Gaumont in 1962 being salvaged. We also retrieved letters from Billy Fury's management, one of them requesting that a piano be made available for a forthcoming live show at the Gaumont.

As for Avros' "BORG have no right to it!" - I would strongly argue that had it not been for my approach to the Council, such items would have been lost forever during the stripping out!!! I personally think we deserve a pat on the back for rescuing this stuff rather than a sour observation...
[quote][p][bold]rustynutz[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Avro[/bold] wrote: If no decision has been made on the outcome of the Odeon, why is it being stripped? Surely any memorabilia found is the property of the owner of the building (Council) which should be retinied or dontated to such as the Media Museum for public display? BORG have no right to it![/p][/quote]It says that BORG approached the council and went in with the council. By the sounds of it BORG did another good thing and you are a bit peeved. If anybodyhas a right to it its them.[/p][/quote]Cheers rustynutz! As my BORG colleague Matt has stated, I have an agreement with Bradford Council that once I have scanned the letters and documents I require for my book project, the entire bundle (two large bags worth) will be taken to the Local Studies team for their consideration. The documents they do not wish to retain will be held in BORG's archives. The Council recognise our status as the Historical Custodians of the Odeon and have themselves utilised the technical information in our archives in recent months. I have yet to go through everything (some of it is drying out) but I have since discovered that the efforts of myself, Matt and Vicky has resulted in items such as the typed setlist from Helen Shapiro's first visit to the Gaumont in 1962 being salvaged. We also retrieved letters from Billy Fury's management, one of them requesting that a piano be made available for a forthcoming live show at the Gaumont. As for Avros' "BORG have no right to it!" - I would strongly argue that had it not been for my approach to the Council, such items would have been lost forever during the stripping out!!! I personally think we deserve a pat on the back for rescuing this stuff rather than a sour observation... Mark Nicholson
  • Score: 21

10:25am Fri 16 May 14

mattshaw says...

:)
:) mattshaw
  • Score: -1

10:34am Fri 16 May 14

bcfc1903 says...

Big fan of the Bradford Live scheme, Bradford is crying out for a world class music venue and Bradford Live's scheme fits the bill, hopefully come November this will be given the green light and the Odeon building will be transformed and be another big part of the regeneration of Bradford. Good luck to Lee Craven and his team with this very exciting idea for the centre of Bradford!!!!!
Big fan of the Bradford Live scheme, Bradford is crying out for a world class music venue and Bradford Live's scheme fits the bill, hopefully come November this will be given the green light and the Odeon building will be transformed and be another big part of the regeneration of Bradford. Good luck to Lee Craven and his team with this very exciting idea for the centre of Bradford!!!!! bcfc1903
  • Score: 10

11:20am Fri 16 May 14

rustynutz says...

Mark Nicholson wrote:
rustynutz wrote:
Avro wrote:
If no decision has been made on the outcome of the Odeon, why is it being stripped?

Surely any memorabilia found is the property of the owner of the building (Council) which should be retinied or dontated to such as the Media Museum for public display?

BORG have no right to it!
It says that BORG approached the council and went in with the council. By the sounds of it BORG did another good thing and you are a bit peeved. If anybodyhas a right to it its them.
Cheers rustynutz! As my BORG colleague Matt has stated, I have an agreement with Bradford Council that once I have scanned the letters and documents I require for my book project, the entire bundle (two large bags worth) will be taken to the Local Studies team for their consideration. The documents they do not wish to retain will be held in BORG's archives. The Council recognise our status as the Historical Custodians of the Odeon and have themselves utilised the technical information in our archives in recent months.

I have yet to go through everything (some of it is drying out) but I have since discovered that the efforts of myself, Matt and Vicky has resulted in items such as the typed setlist from Helen Shapiro's first visit to the Gaumont in 1962 being salvaged. We also retrieved letters from Billy Fury's management, one of them requesting that a piano be made available for a forthcoming live show at the Gaumont.

As for Avros' "BORG have no right to it!" - I would strongly argue that had it not been for my approach to the Council, such items would have been lost forever during the stripping out!!! I personally think we deserve a pat on the back for rescuing this stuff rather than a sour observation...
No worries Mark. Keep up the good work and ignore the jealous whingers.
[quote][p][bold]Mark Nicholson[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]rustynutz[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Avro[/bold] wrote: If no decision has been made on the outcome of the Odeon, why is it being stripped? Surely any memorabilia found is the property of the owner of the building (Council) which should be retinied or dontated to such as the Media Museum for public display? BORG have no right to it![/p][/quote]It says that BORG approached the council and went in with the council. By the sounds of it BORG did another good thing and you are a bit peeved. If anybodyhas a right to it its them.[/p][/quote]Cheers rustynutz! As my BORG colleague Matt has stated, I have an agreement with Bradford Council that once I have scanned the letters and documents I require for my book project, the entire bundle (two large bags worth) will be taken to the Local Studies team for their consideration. The documents they do not wish to retain will be held in BORG's archives. The Council recognise our status as the Historical Custodians of the Odeon and have themselves utilised the technical information in our archives in recent months. I have yet to go through everything (some of it is drying out) but I have since discovered that the efforts of myself, Matt and Vicky has resulted in items such as the typed setlist from Helen Shapiro's first visit to the Gaumont in 1962 being salvaged. We also retrieved letters from Billy Fury's management, one of them requesting that a piano be made available for a forthcoming live show at the Gaumont. As for Avros' "BORG have no right to it!" - I would strongly argue that had it not been for my approach to the Council, such items would have been lost forever during the stripping out!!! I personally think we deserve a pat on the back for rescuing this stuff rather than a sour observation...[/p][/quote]No worries Mark. Keep up the good work and ignore the jealous whingers. rustynutz
  • Score: 5

11:50am Fri 16 May 14

Avro says...

rustynutz wrote:
Avro wrote:
If no decision has been made on the outcome of the Odeon, why is it being stripped?

Surely any memorabilia found is the property of the owner of the building (Council) which should be retinied or dontated to such as the Media Museum for public display?

BORG have no right to it!
It says that BORG approached the council and went in with the council. By the sounds of it BORG did another good thing and you are a bit peeved. If anybodyhas a right to it its them.
I am indeed peeved that BORG have acquired something that is council/public property.
BORG may not even be the chosen developer, what then with the items they have acquired?

Its rightful place is at the Media Museum!
[quote][p][bold]rustynutz[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Avro[/bold] wrote: If no decision has been made on the outcome of the Odeon, why is it being stripped? Surely any memorabilia found is the property of the owner of the building (Council) which should be retinied or dontated to such as the Media Museum for public display? BORG have no right to it![/p][/quote]It says that BORG approached the council and went in with the council. By the sounds of it BORG did another good thing and you are a bit peeved. If anybodyhas a right to it its them.[/p][/quote]I am indeed peeved that BORG have acquired something that is council/public property. BORG may not even be the chosen developer, what then with the items they have acquired? Its rightful place is at the Media Museum! Avro
  • Score: -8

11:51am Fri 16 May 14

mattshaw says...

Avro wrote:
rustynutz wrote:
Avro wrote:
If no decision has been made on the outcome of the Odeon, why is it being stripped?

Surely any memorabilia found is the property of the owner of the building (Council) which should be retinied or dontated to such as the Media Museum for public display?

BORG have no right to it!
It says that BORG approached the council and went in with the council. By the sounds of it BORG did another good thing and you are a bit peeved. If anybodyhas a right to it its them.
I am indeed peeved that BORG have acquired something that is council/public property.
BORG may not even be the chosen developer, what then with the items they have acquired?

Its rightful place is at the Media Museum!
Borg are not even a developer, just shows how much you know about the subject.
[quote][p][bold]Avro[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]rustynutz[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Avro[/bold] wrote: If no decision has been made on the outcome of the Odeon, why is it being stripped? Surely any memorabilia found is the property of the owner of the building (Council) which should be retinied or dontated to such as the Media Museum for public display? BORG have no right to it![/p][/quote]It says that BORG approached the council and went in with the council. By the sounds of it BORG did another good thing and you are a bit peeved. If anybodyhas a right to it its them.[/p][/quote]I am indeed peeved that BORG have acquired something that is council/public property. BORG may not even be the chosen developer, what then with the items they have acquired? Its rightful place is at the Media Museum![/p][/quote]Borg are not even a developer, just shows how much you know about the subject. mattshaw
  • Score: 8

11:52am Fri 16 May 14

Avro says...

Mark Nicholson wrote:
rustynutz wrote:
Avro wrote:
If no decision has been made on the outcome of the Odeon, why is it being stripped?

Surely any memorabilia found is the property of the owner of the building (Council) which should be retinied or dontated to such as the Media Museum for public display?

BORG have no right to it!
It says that BORG approached the council and went in with the council. By the sounds of it BORG did another good thing and you are a bit peeved. If anybodyhas a right to it its them.
Cheers rustynutz! As my BORG colleague Matt has stated, I have an agreement with Bradford Council that once I have scanned the letters and documents I require for my book project, the entire bundle (two large bags worth) will be taken to the Local Studies team for their consideration. The documents they do not wish to retain will be held in BORG's archives. The Council recognise our status as the Historical Custodians of the Odeon and have themselves utilised the technical information in our archives in recent months.

I have yet to go through everything (some of it is drying out) but I have since discovered that the efforts of myself, Matt and Vicky has resulted in items such as the typed setlist from Helen Shapiro's first visit to the Gaumont in 1962 being salvaged. We also retrieved letters from Billy Fury's management, one of them requesting that a piano be made available for a forthcoming live show at the Gaumont.

As for Avros' "BORG have no right to it!" - I would strongly argue that had it not been for my approach to the Council, such items would have been lost forever during the stripping out!!! I personally think we deserve a pat on the back for rescuing this stuff rather than a sour observation...
You may not even be the developer that takes this project forward!

So why dont you pass it to the media museum.

As for the council not realising this, are you hinestly surprised??
[quote][p][bold]Mark Nicholson[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]rustynutz[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Avro[/bold] wrote: If no decision has been made on the outcome of the Odeon, why is it being stripped? Surely any memorabilia found is the property of the owner of the building (Council) which should be retinied or dontated to such as the Media Museum for public display? BORG have no right to it![/p][/quote]It says that BORG approached the council and went in with the council. By the sounds of it BORG did another good thing and you are a bit peeved. If anybodyhas a right to it its them.[/p][/quote]Cheers rustynutz! As my BORG colleague Matt has stated, I have an agreement with Bradford Council that once I have scanned the letters and documents I require for my book project, the entire bundle (two large bags worth) will be taken to the Local Studies team for their consideration. The documents they do not wish to retain will be held in BORG's archives. The Council recognise our status as the Historical Custodians of the Odeon and have themselves utilised the technical information in our archives in recent months. I have yet to go through everything (some of it is drying out) but I have since discovered that the efforts of myself, Matt and Vicky has resulted in items such as the typed setlist from Helen Shapiro's first visit to the Gaumont in 1962 being salvaged. We also retrieved letters from Billy Fury's management, one of them requesting that a piano be made available for a forthcoming live show at the Gaumont. As for Avros' "BORG have no right to it!" - I would strongly argue that had it not been for my approach to the Council, such items would have been lost forever during the stripping out!!! I personally think we deserve a pat on the back for rescuing this stuff rather than a sour observation...[/p][/quote]You may not even be the developer that takes this project forward! So why dont you pass it to the media museum. As for the council not realising this, are you hinestly surprised?? Avro
  • Score: -10

11:54am Fri 16 May 14

Avro says...

rustynutz wrote:
Mark Nicholson wrote:
rustynutz wrote:
Avro wrote:
If no decision has been made on the outcome of the Odeon, why is it being stripped?

Surely any memorabilia found is the property of the owner of the building (Council) which should be retinied or dontated to such as the Media Museum for public display?

BORG have no right to it!
It says that BORG approached the council and went in with the council. By the sounds of it BORG did another good thing and you are a bit peeved. If anybodyhas a right to it its them.
Cheers rustynutz! As my BORG colleague Matt has stated, I have an agreement with Bradford Council that once I have scanned the letters and documents I require for my book project, the entire bundle (two large bags worth) will be taken to the Local Studies team for their consideration. The documents they do not wish to retain will be held in BORG's archives. The Council recognise our status as the Historical Custodians of the Odeon and have themselves utilised the technical information in our archives in recent months.

I have yet to go through everything (some of it is drying out) but I have since discovered that the efforts of myself, Matt and Vicky has resulted in items such as the typed setlist from Helen Shapiro's first visit to the Gaumont in 1962 being salvaged. We also retrieved letters from Billy Fury's management, one of them requesting that a piano be made available for a forthcoming live show at the Gaumont.

As for Avros' "BORG have no right to it!" - I would strongly argue that had it not been for my approach to the Council, such items would have been lost forever during the stripping out!!! I personally think we deserve a pat on the back for rescuing this stuff rather than a sour observation...
No worries Mark. Keep up the good work and ignore the jealous whingers.
What have I to be jealous about numpty?
[quote][p][bold]rustynutz[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Mark Nicholson[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]rustynutz[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Avro[/bold] wrote: If no decision has been made on the outcome of the Odeon, why is it being stripped? Surely any memorabilia found is the property of the owner of the building (Council) which should be retinied or dontated to such as the Media Museum for public display? BORG have no right to it![/p][/quote]It says that BORG approached the council and went in with the council. By the sounds of it BORG did another good thing and you are a bit peeved. If anybodyhas a right to it its them.[/p][/quote]Cheers rustynutz! As my BORG colleague Matt has stated, I have an agreement with Bradford Council that once I have scanned the letters and documents I require for my book project, the entire bundle (two large bags worth) will be taken to the Local Studies team for their consideration. The documents they do not wish to retain will be held in BORG's archives. The Council recognise our status as the Historical Custodians of the Odeon and have themselves utilised the technical information in our archives in recent months. I have yet to go through everything (some of it is drying out) but I have since discovered that the efforts of myself, Matt and Vicky has resulted in items such as the typed setlist from Helen Shapiro's first visit to the Gaumont in 1962 being salvaged. We also retrieved letters from Billy Fury's management, one of them requesting that a piano be made available for a forthcoming live show at the Gaumont. As for Avros' "BORG have no right to it!" - I would strongly argue that had it not been for my approach to the Council, such items would have been lost forever during the stripping out!!! I personally think we deserve a pat on the back for rescuing this stuff rather than a sour observation...[/p][/quote]No worries Mark. Keep up the good work and ignore the jealous whingers.[/p][/quote]What have I to be jealous about numpty? Avro
  • Score: -11

11:55am Fri 16 May 14

Avro says...

mattshaw wrote:
Avro wrote:
rustynutz wrote:
Avro wrote:
If no decision has been made on the outcome of the Odeon, why is it being stripped?

Surely any memorabilia found is the property of the owner of the building (Council) which should be retinied or dontated to such as the Media Museum for public display?

BORG have no right to it!
It says that BORG approached the council and went in with the council. By the sounds of it BORG did another good thing and you are a bit peeved. If anybodyhas a right to it its them.
I am indeed peeved that BORG have acquired something that is council/public property.
BORG may not even be the chosen developer, what then with the items they have acquired?

Its rightful place is at the Media Museum!
Borg are not even a developer, just shows how much you know about the subject.
Exactly!
[quote][p][bold]mattshaw[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Avro[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]rustynutz[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Avro[/bold] wrote: If no decision has been made on the outcome of the Odeon, why is it being stripped? Surely any memorabilia found is the property of the owner of the building (Council) which should be retinied or dontated to such as the Media Museum for public display? BORG have no right to it![/p][/quote]It says that BORG approached the council and went in with the council. By the sounds of it BORG did another good thing and you are a bit peeved. If anybodyhas a right to it its them.[/p][/quote]I am indeed peeved that BORG have acquired something that is council/public property. BORG may not even be the chosen developer, what then with the items they have acquired? Its rightful place is at the Media Museum![/p][/quote]Borg are not even a developer, just shows how much you know about the subject.[/p][/quote]Exactly! Avro
  • Score: -12

11:55am Fri 16 May 14

mattshaw says...

Avro wrote:
Mark Nicholson wrote:
rustynutz wrote:
Avro wrote:
If no decision has been made on the outcome of the Odeon, why is it being stripped?

Surely any memorabilia found is the property of the owner of the building (Council) which should be retinied or dontated to such as the Media Museum for public display?

BORG have no right to it!
It says that BORG approached the council and went in with the council. By the sounds of it BORG did another good thing and you are a bit peeved. If anybodyhas a right to it its them.
Cheers rustynutz! As my BORG colleague Matt has stated, I have an agreement with Bradford Council that once I have scanned the letters and documents I require for my book project, the entire bundle (two large bags worth) will be taken to the Local Studies team for their consideration. The documents they do not wish to retain will be held in BORG's archives. The Council recognise our status as the Historical Custodians of the Odeon and have themselves utilised the technical information in our archives in recent months.

I have yet to go through everything (some of it is drying out) but I have since discovered that the efforts of myself, Matt and Vicky has resulted in items such as the typed setlist from Helen Shapiro's first visit to the Gaumont in 1962 being salvaged. We also retrieved letters from Billy Fury's management, one of them requesting that a piano be made available for a forthcoming live show at the Gaumont.

As for Avros' "BORG have no right to it!" - I would strongly argue that had it not been for my approach to the Council, such items would have been lost forever during the stripping out!!! I personally think we deserve a pat on the back for rescuing this stuff rather than a sour observation...
You may not even be the developer that takes this project forward!

So why dont you pass it to the media museum.

As for the council not realising this, are you hinestly surprised??
Avro, I suggest....

A) You go back to school and learn how to spell.
B) Read about BORG, we are not a developer.
[quote][p][bold]Avro[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Mark Nicholson[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]rustynutz[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Avro[/bold] wrote: If no decision has been made on the outcome of the Odeon, why is it being stripped? Surely any memorabilia found is the property of the owner of the building (Council) which should be retinied or dontated to such as the Media Museum for public display? BORG have no right to it![/p][/quote]It says that BORG approached the council and went in with the council. By the sounds of it BORG did another good thing and you are a bit peeved. If anybodyhas a right to it its them.[/p][/quote]Cheers rustynutz! As my BORG colleague Matt has stated, I have an agreement with Bradford Council that once I have scanned the letters and documents I require for my book project, the entire bundle (two large bags worth) will be taken to the Local Studies team for their consideration. The documents they do not wish to retain will be held in BORG's archives. The Council recognise our status as the Historical Custodians of the Odeon and have themselves utilised the technical information in our archives in recent months. I have yet to go through everything (some of it is drying out) but I have since discovered that the efforts of myself, Matt and Vicky has resulted in items such as the typed setlist from Helen Shapiro's first visit to the Gaumont in 1962 being salvaged. We also retrieved letters from Billy Fury's management, one of them requesting that a piano be made available for a forthcoming live show at the Gaumont. As for Avros' "BORG have no right to it!" - I would strongly argue that had it not been for my approach to the Council, such items would have been lost forever during the stripping out!!! I personally think we deserve a pat on the back for rescuing this stuff rather than a sour observation...[/p][/quote]You may not even be the developer that takes this project forward! So why dont you pass it to the media museum. As for the council not realising this, are you hinestly surprised??[/p][/quote]Avro, I suggest.... A) You go back to school and learn how to spell. B) Read about BORG, we are not a developer. mattshaw
  • Score: 11

11:55am Fri 16 May 14

Avro says...

AndyWineHands wrote:
What will happen to the items now? Who owns them?
Exactly my point!
[quote][p][bold]AndyWineHands[/bold] wrote: What will happen to the items now? Who owns them?[/p][/quote]Exactly my point! Avro
  • Score: -9

11:58am Fri 16 May 14

mattshaw says...

The items are being scanned, then passed to the Local Studies team as Mark said.
The items are being scanned, then passed to the Local Studies team as Mark said. mattshaw
  • Score: 11

11:58am Fri 16 May 14

Avro says...

mattshaw wrote:
Avro wrote:
Mark Nicholson wrote:
rustynutz wrote:
Avro wrote:
If no decision has been made on the outcome of the Odeon, why is it being stripped?

Surely any memorabilia found is the property of the owner of the building (Council) which should be retinied or dontated to such as the Media Museum for public display?

BORG have no right to it!
It says that BORG approached the council and went in with the council. By the sounds of it BORG did another good thing and you are a bit peeved. If anybodyhas a right to it its them.
Cheers rustynutz! As my BORG colleague Matt has stated, I have an agreement with Bradford Council that once I have scanned the letters and documents I require for my book project, the entire bundle (two large bags worth) will be taken to the Local Studies team for their consideration. The documents they do not wish to retain will be held in BORG's archives. The Council recognise our status as the Historical Custodians of the Odeon and have themselves utilised the technical information in our archives in recent months.

I have yet to go through everything (some of it is drying out) but I have since discovered that the efforts of myself, Matt and Vicky has resulted in items such as the typed setlist from Helen Shapiro's first visit to the Gaumont in 1962 being salvaged. We also retrieved letters from Billy Fury's management, one of them requesting that a piano be made available for a forthcoming live show at the Gaumont.

As for Avros' "BORG have no right to it!" - I would strongly argue that had it not been for my approach to the Council, such items would have been lost forever during the stripping out!!! I personally think we deserve a pat on the back for rescuing this stuff rather than a sour observation...
You may not even be the developer that takes this project forward!

So why dont you pass it to the media museum.

As for the council not realising this, are you hinestly surprised??
Avro, I suggest....

A) You go back to school and learn how to spell.
B) Read about BORG, we are not a developer.
I suggest you get a life!

Correct BORG are NOT the developer and did not say they were, therefore they have no right to the artifacts, simples like your head!
[quote][p][bold]mattshaw[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Avro[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Mark Nicholson[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]rustynutz[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Avro[/bold] wrote: If no decision has been made on the outcome of the Odeon, why is it being stripped? Surely any memorabilia found is the property of the owner of the building (Council) which should be retinied or dontated to such as the Media Museum for public display? BORG have no right to it![/p][/quote]It says that BORG approached the council and went in with the council. By the sounds of it BORG did another good thing and you are a bit peeved. If anybodyhas a right to it its them.[/p][/quote]Cheers rustynutz! As my BORG colleague Matt has stated, I have an agreement with Bradford Council that once I have scanned the letters and documents I require for my book project, the entire bundle (two large bags worth) will be taken to the Local Studies team for their consideration. The documents they do not wish to retain will be held in BORG's archives. The Council recognise our status as the Historical Custodians of the Odeon and have themselves utilised the technical information in our archives in recent months. I have yet to go through everything (some of it is drying out) but I have since discovered that the efforts of myself, Matt and Vicky has resulted in items such as the typed setlist from Helen Shapiro's first visit to the Gaumont in 1962 being salvaged. We also retrieved letters from Billy Fury's management, one of them requesting that a piano be made available for a forthcoming live show at the Gaumont. As for Avros' "BORG have no right to it!" - I would strongly argue that had it not been for my approach to the Council, such items would have been lost forever during the stripping out!!! I personally think we deserve a pat on the back for rescuing this stuff rather than a sour observation...[/p][/quote]You may not even be the developer that takes this project forward! So why dont you pass it to the media museum. As for the council not realising this, are you hinestly surprised??[/p][/quote]Avro, I suggest.... A) You go back to school and learn how to spell. B) Read about BORG, we are not a developer.[/p][/quote]I suggest you get a life! Correct BORG are NOT the developer and did not say they were, therefore they have no right to the artifacts, simples like your head! Avro
  • Score: -14

11:59am Fri 16 May 14

Avro says...

mattshaw wrote:
The items are being scanned, then passed to the Local Studies team as Mark said.
Good!
[quote][p][bold]mattshaw[/bold] wrote: The items are being scanned, then passed to the Local Studies team as Mark said.[/p][/quote]Good! Avro
  • Score: -10

12:03pm Fri 16 May 14

mattshaw says...

Well done Avro, you've learnt to read!
Well done Avro, you've learnt to read! mattshaw
  • Score: 11

12:10pm Fri 16 May 14

rustynutz says...

Avro has got an agenda and is stamping her feet like a bullied child. Whats the problem? BORG have stepped in and saved some important stuff from the landfill site. All you can do is **** about it.
Avro has got an agenda and is stamping her feet like a bullied child. Whats the problem? BORG have stepped in and saved some important stuff from the landfill site. All you can do is **** about it. rustynutz
  • Score: 10

5:07pm Fri 16 May 14

Avro says...

rustynutz wrote:
Avro has got an agenda and is stamping her feet like a bullied child. Whats the problem? BORG have stepped in and saved some important stuff from the landfill site. All you can do is **** about it.
Your username says it all, suggest you give them a polish!
[quote][p][bold]rustynutz[/bold] wrote: Avro has got an agenda and is stamping her feet like a bullied child. Whats the problem? BORG have stepped in and saved some important stuff from the landfill site. All you can do is **** about it.[/p][/quote]Your username says it all, suggest you give them a polish! Avro
  • Score: -11

5:08pm Fri 16 May 14

Avro says...

mattshaw wrote:
Well done Avro, you've learnt to read!
Your about as funny as a **** in a wet suit!
[quote][p][bold]mattshaw[/bold] wrote: Well done Avro, you've learnt to read![/p][/quote]Your about as funny as a **** in a wet suit! Avro
  • Score: -12

5:11pm Fri 16 May 14

mattshaw says...

You are a **** in a wet suit!
You are a **** in a wet suit! mattshaw
  • Score: 11

8:34pm Fri 16 May 14

rustynutz says...

Just seen a photo of BORG auditing the papers with the council Avro. You can sleep soundly tonight without a dummy LOL
Just seen a photo of BORG auditing the papers with the council Avro. You can sleep soundly tonight without a dummy LOL rustynutz
  • Score: 5

8:45pm Fri 16 May 14

mattshaw says...

He's been asleep ages Rusty, was sent to bed earlier for spitting his dummy out! Sweet dreams!
He's been asleep ages Rusty, was sent to bed earlier for spitting his dummy out! Sweet dreams! mattshaw
  • Score: 4

7:41am Sat 17 May 14

Avro says...

Hahaha suckers!
Hahaha suckers! Avro
  • Score: -8

1:14pm Sat 17 May 14

MrQuinque says...

Avro wrote:
Hahaha suckers!
Dingbats like you are why we can't have anything nice in Bradford. The council brought in BORG because they know what to look for and have shown they actually care about the Odeon through their decade long fight to see the building saved. BORG have in turn taken their own time and effort to collect, catalogue and preserve the items which would otherwise have been lost to the city prior to turning them over to the council, so they can hopefully be added to the city archives and as such be available for anyone to use in future research.

There are people in this City who are working hard to try and restore it to it's former glory, instil some civic pride and putting forward ideas to cast Bradford in a positive light in order to attract people and investment to the city. On the other hand we have people like you, who always seek to find something in every project, no matter how great the potential positives for the city are, to moan and complain about. If ou don't like what is going on in this city, put in some effort and try to change it, if you are too lazy for that, then by all means leave, we will get on just fine without your negativity.
[quote][p][bold]Avro[/bold] wrote: Hahaha suckers![/p][/quote]Dingbats like you are why we can't have anything nice in Bradford. The council brought in BORG because they know what to look for and have shown they actually care about the Odeon through their decade long fight to see the building saved. BORG have in turn taken their own time and effort to collect, catalogue and preserve the items which would otherwise have been lost to the city prior to turning them over to the council, so they can hopefully be added to the city archives and as such be available for anyone to use in future research. There are people in this City who are working hard to try and restore it to it's former glory, instil some civic pride and putting forward ideas to cast Bradford in a positive light in order to attract people and investment to the city. On the other hand we have people like you, who always seek to find something in every project, no matter how great the potential positives for the city are, to moan and complain about. If ou don't like what is going on in this city, put in some effort and try to change it, if you are too lazy for that, then by all means leave, we will get on just fine without your negativity. MrQuinque
  • Score: 7

3:10pm Mon 19 May 14

mattshaw says...

Well said Mr Quinque!
Well said Mr Quinque! mattshaw
  • Score: -1

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