Vicar fumes at parking wardens 'preying' on her Sunday congregation - then catches Council van parked on double yellow lines

The Reverend Bev Mason outside Bingley church where parishioners park their cars on Sundays

The wardens’ van parked on double yellow lines outside Bingley church as they ticketed overstayers at the church

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Zealous traffic wardens are preying on churchgoers who park outside Bingley parish church during Sunday morning worship, says its vicar Bev Mason.

And yet she photographed their Bradford Council van itself parked illegally on double yellow lines as the wardens patrolled parking bays on Old Main Street.

The Reverend Mason said: “They are merciless. It’s really hard on my people who are always getting tickets.

“The organist and I were walking across to All Saints at 9.45am last Sunday morning when I couldn’t believe my eyes.

“The warden’s van was parked right on the bend, on double yellow lines.

“I called out to the two men: ‘Is this your van?’ and they were mortified, really embarrassed.”

She whipped out her smartphone and photographed the white Ford Transit Connect at the church gates.

She said: “Traffic wardens ticket people who are parked in the marked bays for over the permitted two-hour stay.

“However my church wardens arrive early before an hour-long service to set up the church, and then stay on to tidy up.

“So they often over-run on the parking by minutes and end up with tickets – which, as good Christians, they always pay.

“For some people, this is the only time of fellowship and they are being penalised. It’s very unfair.”

She said the two-hour restriction was “curtailing the activities of the church”.

The Reverend Mason said those who stayed to help with baptisms after the normal Sunday service were among those to have received tickets.

“What my people don’t do is park on double yellows on the bend,” she said.

“And it’s a grim thing to do when their cars are neatly parked in the bays. Not nice.”

All Saints was hosting a light-hearted “Holy Hilarity” service that morning and the Reverend Mason said she could not resist telling the congregation about the Council warden’s bad parking.

She said: “Although people are often saying; ‘Oh no, I’ve got a ticket,’ that morning people saw the funny side and were rolling around laughing.

“How ironic. I do feel embarrassed for them.”

Shipley MP Philip Davies said: “I was very sorry to learn of the concern that traffic wardens in Bingley are targeting people going to church.

“If that is the case it would be unacceptable.

“I will pursue this matter on behalf of the Church with Bradford Council.”

A Bradford Council spokesman, said: “It is clearly unacceptable for a Council van to be parked on double yellow lines and all Council Wardens have been instructed they must adhere to parking restrictions at all times.

“We need to look into this matter to see what has happened on this occasion and consider what action needs to be taken. With regard to the other point raised about extending the limited waiting time in this particular street, it is likely that any changes could raise objections from local residents living there. We will contact the Reverend Mason directly to discuss both matters in more detail.”

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7:05am Mon 5 May 14

Albion. says...

If the lines are as bad as those in the picture I would appeal, they are incomplete and unclear.
If the lines are as bad as those in the picture I would appeal, they are incomplete and unclear. Albion.
  • Score: 29

7:51am Mon 5 May 14

expatbull says...

A sign of the times, over zealous jobsworths and totally agree appeal the tickets
A sign of the times, over zealous jobsworths and totally agree appeal the tickets expatbull
  • Score: 17

7:56am Mon 5 May 14

Bikerbeardy says...

Agree Albion, but on further investigation it appears that as long as it is clear that there are double lines the parking restrictions still hold, the council has a responsibility to maintain them to certain guidelines but does not have keep the lines solid, due to wear and tear, though it is very incompetent for the wardens themselves to park illegally.
Agree Albion, but on further investigation it appears that as long as it is clear that there are double lines the parking restrictions still hold, the council has a responsibility to maintain them to certain guidelines but does not have keep the lines solid, due to wear and tear, though it is very incompetent for the wardens themselves to park illegally. Bikerbeardy
  • Score: 12

8:08am Mon 5 May 14

JohnnyDale says...

I'm not sure what the point of this 'story' is. Surely you're not suggesting that certain people should be exempt from parking restrictions just because they're attending a meeting of their chosen cult?
I'm not sure what the point of this 'story' is. Surely you're not suggesting that certain people should be exempt from parking restrictions just because they're attending a meeting of their chosen cult? JohnnyDale
  • Score: 55

8:22am Mon 5 May 14

Thee Voice of Reason says...

The is a picture on twitter of two council wardens in a van who issue tickets like those mentioned above and the driver is on the phone.
If you can't keep to the rules yourself by default any authority you intend to dish out should be void.
The is a picture on twitter of two council wardens in a van who issue tickets like those mentioned above and the driver is on the phone. If you can't keep to the rules yourself by default any authority you intend to dish out should be void. Thee Voice of Reason
  • Score: 18

8:41am Mon 5 May 14

Postman pedro says...

The van is parked also down a one way street the wrong way. And on double yellow lines. Double standards.
The van is parked also down a one way street the wrong way. And on double yellow lines. Double standards. Postman pedro
  • Score: 17

8:41am Mon 5 May 14

radiobantam1 says...

I would guess these wardens were supposed to be policing the nearby car boot sale parking. The people who attend this car boot park any where and every where all over Bingley, often dangerously. Having said that it does not excuse people attending Church from over staying their welcome in the legal parking spaces.
I would guess these wardens were supposed to be policing the nearby car boot sale parking. The people who attend this car boot park any where and every where all over Bingley, often dangerously. Having said that it does not excuse people attending Church from over staying their welcome in the legal parking spaces. radiobantam1
  • Score: 6

8:46am Mon 5 May 14

mad matt says...

JohnnyDale wrote:
I'm not sure what the point of this 'story' is. Surely you're not suggesting that certain people should be exempt from parking restrictions just because they're attending a meeting of their chosen cult?
To retain any credibility at all, then these same 'persecutions' should apply outside ALL other places of worship as well, but they clearly don't.

and just for any other eligions who takes exception to this - If t'cap fit tha mun wear it!
[quote][p][bold]JohnnyDale[/bold] wrote: I'm not sure what the point of this 'story' is. Surely you're not suggesting that certain people should be exempt from parking restrictions just because they're attending a meeting of their chosen cult?[/p][/quote]To retain any credibility at all, then these same 'persecutions' should apply outside ALL other places of worship as well, but they clearly don't. and just for any other eligions who takes exception to this - If t'cap fit tha mun wear it! mad matt
  • Score: 10

8:48am Mon 5 May 14

Thee Voice of Reason says...

mad matt wrote:
JohnnyDale wrote:
I'm not sure what the point of this 'story' is. Surely you're not suggesting that certain people should be exempt from parking restrictions just because they're attending a meeting of their chosen cult?
To retain any credibility at all, then these same 'persecutions' should apply outside ALL other places of worship as well, but they clearly don't.

and just for any other eligions who takes exception to this - If t'cap fit tha mun wear it!
Are you refering to a few minutes over on a quiet sunday compared to causing total gridlock on a Friday afternoon?
[quote][p][bold]mad matt[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]JohnnyDale[/bold] wrote: I'm not sure what the point of this 'story' is. Surely you're not suggesting that certain people should be exempt from parking restrictions just because they're attending a meeting of their chosen cult?[/p][/quote]To retain any credibility at all, then these same 'persecutions' should apply outside ALL other places of worship as well, but they clearly don't. and just for any other eligions who takes exception to this - If t'cap fit tha mun wear it![/p][/quote]Are you refering to a few minutes over on a quiet sunday compared to causing total gridlock on a Friday afternoon? Thee Voice of Reason
  • Score: 16

8:53am Mon 5 May 14

OLDLAD says...

The drivers no the law, just because it's a church doesn't make it right. Illegal parking is wrong so is the vicar condoning this?
The drivers no the law, just because it's a church doesn't make it right. Illegal parking is wrong so is the vicar condoning this? OLDLAD
  • Score: 4

9:04am Mon 5 May 14

Thee Voice of Reason says...

OLDLAD wrote:
The drivers no the law, just because it's a church doesn't make it right. Illegal parking is wrong so is the vicar condoning this?
The vicar is questioning the double standards of those issuing the tickets.
They are not exempt from the law because they are the council.
[quote][p][bold]OLDLAD[/bold] wrote: The drivers no the law, just because it's a church doesn't make it right. Illegal parking is wrong so is the vicar condoning this?[/p][/quote]The vicar is questioning the double standards of those issuing the tickets. They are not exempt from the law because they are the council. Thee Voice of Reason
  • Score: 12

9:16am Mon 5 May 14

fotoman says...

Typical of the brainless mentality of your average parking warden. Try doing that outside a mosque and you'd have a riot on your hands.
Typical of the brainless mentality of your average parking warden. Try doing that outside a mosque and you'd have a riot on your hands. fotoman
  • Score: 54

9:20am Mon 5 May 14

linebacker2 says...

Sounds like yet another example of the council after easy pickings.

As for the council wardens parking on double yellows - speaks volumes about their arrogance of sense of self importance
Sounds like yet another example of the council after easy pickings. As for the council wardens parking on double yellows - speaks volumes about their arrogance of sense of self importance linebacker2
  • Score: 6

9:39am Mon 5 May 14

pcmanners says...

Very true. City Hall would never do this to a mosque. The Community has too tight a grip.
Very true. City Hall would never do this to a mosque. The Community has too tight a grip. pcmanners
  • Score: 52

9:50am Mon 5 May 14

MontyLeMar says...

Google maps shows that this church has plenty of land and it wont take much to construct a 20-30 bay for the private use of worshippers. Could also be a handy money raiser for the church in these straightened times. No doubt the council have some objection to allowing the church to do this but they appear to be only interested in boosting their income from parking fines.
Google maps shows that this church has plenty of land and it wont take much to construct a 20-30 bay for the private use of worshippers. Could also be a handy money raiser for the church in these straightened times. No doubt the council have some objection to allowing the church to do this but they appear to be only interested in boosting their income from parking fines. MontyLeMar
  • Score: 1

9:53am Mon 5 May 14

sorrow&anger says...

This just goes to show, if proof were ever needed, that Cllr. Thornton's storm troopers have their favourite places to make their quota. The fact that they were willing to park inconsiderately and illegally in their haste to book people shows just how desperate they are.
This just goes to show, if proof were ever needed, that Cllr. Thornton's storm troopers have their favourite places to make their quota. The fact that they were willing to park inconsiderately and illegally in their haste to book people shows just how desperate they are. sorrow&anger
  • Score: 19

9:56am Mon 5 May 14

collos25 says...

Try this on the roads round one or two mosques and BMDC would have a surplus in its accounts,go down Killinghall road to see illegal parking cars without tax and I guess no insurance ah but wait minute these are no go areas .
Try this on the roads round one or two mosques and BMDC would have a surplus in its accounts,go down Killinghall road to see illegal parking cars without tax and I guess no insurance ah but wait minute these are no go areas . collos25
  • Score: 26

10:26am Mon 5 May 14

Freddy Elliot says...

This is like the little old lady who gets a speeding fine for doing 32 in a 30 zone. She's all taxed, tested and insured etc. One the other hand you get the 'local lads' in their Audis owning the roads as so called authorities dare not tackle something that would be seen as targeting a particular sect.
This is like the little old lady who gets a speeding fine for doing 32 in a 30 zone. She's all taxed, tested and insured etc. One the other hand you get the 'local lads' in their Audis owning the roads as so called authorities dare not tackle something that would be seen as targeting a particular sect. Freddy Elliot
  • Score: 25

10:27am Mon 5 May 14

fotoman says...

collos25 wrote:
Try this on the roads round one or two mosques and BMDC would have a surplus in its accounts,go down Killinghall road to see illegal parking cars without tax and I guess no insurance ah but wait minute these are no go areas .
Illegal parking - no tax - no insurance - that's par for the course in BD3 isn't it? But a church in Bingley - Well. That's another matter
[quote][p][bold]collos25[/bold] wrote: Try this on the roads round one or two mosques and BMDC would have a surplus in its accounts,go down Killinghall road to see illegal parking cars without tax and I guess no insurance ah but wait minute these are no go areas .[/p][/quote]Illegal parking - no tax - no insurance - that's par for the course in BD3 isn't it? But a church in Bingley - Well. That's another matter fotoman
  • Score: 16

10:46am Mon 5 May 14

linebacker2 says...

Freddy Elliot wrote:
This is like the little old lady who gets a speeding fine for doing 32 in a 30 zone. She's all taxed, tested and insured etc. One the other hand you get the 'local lads' in their Audis owning the roads as so called authorities dare not tackle something that would be seen as targeting a particular sect.
Agree 100%.

It's the inconsistency that irks. Zero tolerance and crackdowns on technical offences outside the ring road while it's like the wild west inside...
[quote][p][bold]Freddy Elliot[/bold] wrote: This is like the little old lady who gets a speeding fine for doing 32 in a 30 zone. She's all taxed, tested and insured etc. One the other hand you get the 'local lads' in their Audis owning the roads as so called authorities dare not tackle something that would be seen as targeting a particular sect.[/p][/quote]Agree 100%. It's the inconsistency that irks. Zero tolerance and crackdowns on technical offences outside the ring road while it's like the wild west inside... linebacker2
  • Score: 18

10:53am Mon 5 May 14

linebacker2 says...

Bradford council took over parking enforcement only in 2008, prior to that it was carried out by the police.

It's quite clear that it's become a money grabbing exercise.perhaps No doubt the council is boosting it's income, but the overall affect has been a disaster, I know of one business that's not on its last legs due to the council putting a residents only scheme outside the premises. Guess what - it's been zealously enforced even though there never was any parking problems in the the first place.

Maybe it's time to hand parking enforcement back to police?
Bradford council took over parking enforcement only in 2008, prior to that it was carried out by the police. It's quite clear that it's become a money grabbing exercise.perhaps No doubt the council is boosting it's income, but the overall affect has been a disaster, I know of one business that's not on its last legs due to the council putting a residents only scheme outside the premises. Guess what - it's been zealously enforced even though there never was any parking problems in the the first place. Maybe it's time to hand parking enforcement back to police? linebacker2
  • Score: 6

11:17am Mon 5 May 14

SurprisedByJoyce says...

Injustice and unfairness like this makes by blood boil.

Muslims can run illegal bazaars and shisha lounges for years and the Council doesn't do anything. Christians stay in their church for a few minutes longer than the Council think they should and they get fined.

Isn't it time the Council remembered that it's supposed to represent all of us?
Injustice and unfairness like this makes by blood boil. Muslims can run illegal bazaars and shisha lounges for years and the Council doesn't do anything. Christians stay in their church for a few minutes longer than the Council think they should and they get fined. Isn't it time the Council remembered that it's supposed to represent all of us? SurprisedByJoyce
  • Score: 24

11:43am Mon 5 May 14

Not so simple says...

JohnnyDale wrote:
I'm not sure what the point of this 'story' is. Surely you're not suggesting that certain people should be exempt from parking restrictions just because they're attending a meeting of their chosen cult?
Agree. Rules apply to all. Grow a pair people and get on with it.
[quote][p][bold]JohnnyDale[/bold] wrote: I'm not sure what the point of this 'story' is. Surely you're not suggesting that certain people should be exempt from parking restrictions just because they're attending a meeting of their chosen cult?[/p][/quote]Agree. Rules apply to all. Grow a pair people and get on with it. Not so simple
  • Score: 2

12:34pm Mon 5 May 14

linebacker2 says...

Once again a sensible thread has been hijacked by the anti-Islam brigade.

Issue here's nothing to do with religion, it's simply that the council recognise that one day the national government is going to crackdown on them abusing their parking powers and are grabbing as much money as they can before this happens..
Once again a sensible thread has been hijacked by the anti-Islam brigade. Issue here's nothing to do with religion, it's simply that the council recognise that one day the national government is going to crackdown on them abusing their parking powers and are grabbing as much money as they can before this happens.. linebacker2
  • Score: -16

12:41pm Mon 5 May 14

linebacker2 says...

Not so simple wrote:
JohnnyDale wrote:
I'm not sure what the point of this 'story' is. Surely you're not suggesting that certain people should be exempt from parking restrictions just because they're attending a meeting of their chosen cult?
Agree. Rules apply to all. Grow a pair people and get on with it.
Rules may APPLY to all, but they're not APPLIED to all.
[quote][p][bold]Not so simple[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]JohnnyDale[/bold] wrote: I'm not sure what the point of this 'story' is. Surely you're not suggesting that certain people should be exempt from parking restrictions just because they're attending a meeting of their chosen cult?[/p][/quote]Agree. Rules apply to all. Grow a pair people and get on with it.[/p][/quote]Rules may APPLY to all, but they're not APPLIED to all. linebacker2
  • Score: 19

1:16pm Mon 5 May 14

born n bred says...

linebacker2 wrote:
Bradford council took over parking enforcement only in 2008, prior to that it was carried out by the police.

It's quite clear that it's become a money grabbing exercise.perhaps No doubt the council is boosting it's income, but the overall affect has been a disaster, I know of one business that's not on its last legs due to the council putting a residents only scheme outside the premises. Guess what - it's been zealously enforced even though there never was any parking problems in the the first place.

Maybe it's time to hand parking enforcement back to police?
My friend runs El Caballo Blanco (formally The Old White Horse) He has had 5 parking tickets, and his partner 2. He has appealed them all because at some of the times he was loading and unloading. These wardens come every sunday morning, and are relentless. They seem to leave the car boot alone though.
My friend eventually got two permits, after he appealed his third ticket, the appeals are still on going!!!
[quote][p][bold]linebacker2[/bold] wrote: Bradford council took over parking enforcement only in 2008, prior to that it was carried out by the police. It's quite clear that it's become a money grabbing exercise.perhaps No doubt the council is boosting it's income, but the overall affect has been a disaster, I know of one business that's not on its last legs due to the council putting a residents only scheme outside the premises. Guess what - it's been zealously enforced even though there never was any parking problems in the the first place. Maybe it's time to hand parking enforcement back to police?[/p][/quote]My friend runs El Caballo Blanco (formally The Old White Horse) He has had 5 parking tickets, and his partner 2. He has appealed them all because at some of the times he was loading and unloading. These wardens come every sunday morning, and are relentless. They seem to leave the car boot alone though. My friend eventually got two permits, after he appealed his third ticket, the appeals are still on going!!! born n bred
  • Score: 7

2:57pm Mon 5 May 14

rosesrwhite says...

Cllr Thornton loves Bingley, probably hoping the parking fines will put the congregation off attending services, then he can put the church up for sale along with the swimming baths and the town hall. What a top bloke.
Cllr Thornton loves Bingley, probably hoping the parking fines will put the congregation off attending services, then he can put the church up for sale along with the swimming baths and the town hall. What a top bloke. rosesrwhite
  • Score: 7

3:24pm Mon 5 May 14

yezboss says...

APPEAL? Yes those lines are illegal. BMDC has failed to comply with REG 18(1) of THE LOCAL AUTHORITIES TRAFFIC REGULATIONS.(LATOR)
I agree the current law precedents are if those lines 'appear' to be there then they are lawful. However I do recommend an appeal as Traffic Penalty Appeal Service adjudicators take little notice of precedents and judge each case on its own merits. In view of the conduct of the conduct of the CIVIL ENFORCEMENT OFFICER/S here they cannot have their cake and eat it. They need advising. In fact if I was their supervisor Ineould retrospectively issue a PCN and whilst it would be BMDC Debt deduct that amount from salary. And yes some £2000 worth of PCN's were in fact cancelled a while ago when vehicles were issued outside a mosque one day and the lines and signs there are in good order it was just the insensitivity of it. This is not generally known and has been kept quiet. So what's good for the goose is good for the gander .
Furthermore I have seen a similar vehicle paked on Duckworth Lane outside the BRI the crew busy issuing PCN's the vehicle itself was parked in a gateway with the lines on its offside. That too is illegal those lines apply from wall to wall. I also do understand there are soon to be changes to the legislation insofar as :-
1) if one appeals and loses the charge remains at a discounted rate of -50% for the same period of time as it was initially. That is a change I have written to The Lord Chancellors office about as I consider it unfair to penalise some who appeals and loses,and
2) there could be mandatory 10 minutes grace for breach of time waiting.
I also have asked for these CEO to be required to attend appeal hearings to prove their case and be cross examined as this is the only law I am aware of whereby the alleger is not so required to do do. That may focus the CEO's attention to more than blindly issuing PCN's without thinking of the likely consequences on their competency and questioning their actions which I have to say is beyond belief at times and that would include those responsible for issuing penalties for camera detected alleged infringements. Both mobile and static.
All in all BMDC Parking Services needs a close examination itself as it does seem there is a lot of incompetence there and it needs a root and branch review and I applaud MP Philip Davies in his efforts. Also the Highways Dept needs looking at as they seem to be incompetent too with a lamentable failure to comply with LATOR.
APPEAL? Yes those lines are illegal. BMDC has failed to comply with REG 18(1) of THE LOCAL AUTHORITIES TRAFFIC REGULATIONS.(LATOR) I agree the current law precedents are if those lines 'appear' to be there then they are lawful. However I do recommend an appeal as Traffic Penalty Appeal Service adjudicators take little notice of precedents and judge each case on its own merits. In view of the conduct of the conduct of the CIVIL ENFORCEMENT OFFICER/S here they cannot have their cake and eat it. They need advising. In fact if I was their supervisor Ineould retrospectively issue a PCN and whilst it would be BMDC Debt deduct that amount from salary. And yes some £2000 worth of PCN's were in fact cancelled a while ago when vehicles were issued outside a mosque one day and the lines and signs there are in good order it was just the insensitivity of it. This is not generally known and has been kept quiet. So what's good for the goose is good for the gander . Furthermore I have seen a similar vehicle paked on Duckworth Lane outside the BRI the crew busy issuing PCN's the vehicle itself was parked in a gateway with the lines on its offside. That too is illegal those lines apply from wall to wall. I also do understand there are soon to be changes to the legislation insofar as :- 1) if one appeals and loses the charge remains at a discounted rate of -50% for the same period of time as it was initially. That is a change I have written to The Lord Chancellors office about as I consider it unfair to penalise some who appeals and loses,and 2) there could be mandatory 10 minutes grace for breach of time waiting. I also have asked for these CEO to be required to attend appeal hearings to prove their case and be cross examined as this is the only law I am aware of whereby the alleger is not so required to do do. That may focus the CEO's attention to more than blindly issuing PCN's without thinking of the likely consequences on their competency and questioning their actions which I have to say is beyond belief at times and that would include those responsible for issuing penalties for camera detected alleged infringements. Both mobile and static. All in all BMDC Parking Services needs a close examination itself as it does seem there is a lot of incompetence there and it needs a root and branch review and I applaud MP Philip Davies in his efforts. Also the Highways Dept needs looking at as they seem to be incompetent too with a lamentable failure to comply with LATOR. yezboss
  • Score: 9

4:00pm Mon 5 May 14

Albion. says...

rosesrwhite wrote:
Cllr Thornton loves Bingley, probably hoping the parking fines will put the congregation off attending services, then he can put the church up for sale along with the swimming baths and the town hall. What a top bloke.
The Church doesn't belong to the council.
[quote][p][bold]rosesrwhite[/bold] wrote: Cllr Thornton loves Bingley, probably hoping the parking fines will put the congregation off attending services, then he can put the church up for sale along with the swimming baths and the town hall. What a top bloke.[/p][/quote]The Church doesn't belong to the council. Albion.
  • Score: 12

4:54pm Mon 5 May 14

RollandSmoke says...

“So they often over-run on the parking by minutes and end up with tickets – which, as good Christians, they always pay. " And you wonder why they're hanging around waiting for your gullible compliant flock who don't even bother appealing to run over? You're your own worst enemies. Makes you wonder if they are there simply because of the unquestioning drone like compliance of the church goers? You might as well just paint targets on yourselves.
“So they often over-run on the parking by minutes and end up with tickets – which, as good Christians, they always pay. " And you wonder why they're hanging around waiting for your gullible compliant flock who don't even bother appealing to run over? You're your own worst enemies. Makes you wonder if they are there simply because of the unquestioning drone like compliance of the church goers? You might as well just paint targets on yourselves. RollandSmoke
  • Score: -1

4:55pm Mon 5 May 14

pjl20 says...

The time has now arrived to vote for the formation of a new district council to replace Bradford MDC on May 22nd.

An Airedale & Wharfedale District Council with it's own elected council, with council tax raising powers, is required for Bingley, Shipley, Baildon, Menston, Keighley, Ilkley, Addingham and Silden/Steeton and several smaller locations too.

We need to regain control over how our own taxes are being spent, or misspent, and to have some sensible regulations introduced in many areas, including for car parking.

All the towns and villages mentioned above have become a 'cash-cow' for Bradford Council and it's profligate ways of using our money in the city centre districts.
The time has now arrived to vote for the formation of a new district council to replace Bradford MDC on May 22nd. An Airedale & Wharfedale District Council with it's own elected council, with council tax raising powers, is required for Bingley, Shipley, Baildon, Menston, Keighley, Ilkley, Addingham and Silden/Steeton and several smaller locations too. We need to regain control over how our own taxes are being spent, or misspent, and to have some sensible regulations introduced in many areas, including for car parking. All the towns and villages mentioned above have become a 'cash-cow' for Bradford Council and it's profligate ways of using our money in the city centre districts. pjl20
  • Score: 13

6:05pm Mon 5 May 14

Bantambhoy says...

Bl##dy hell! I always thought parking was free on Sundays!
Bl##dy hell! I always thought parking was free on Sundays! Bantambhoy
  • Score: 8

7:29pm Mon 5 May 14

sorrow&anger says...

This is about consistency, common sense, and tolerance. Virtues essential to any society, especially ones as mixed as Bradford's. You can drive along Carlisle Road (say) on a Friday, or be close to the stadium on a match day, and see higgledy-piggledy, often illegal, parking being quite sensibly tolerated on the grounds of live and let live.

So why doesn't Cllr. Thornton extend this tolerance to a Sunday morning service in Bingley. Or apply the zero tolerance attitude on display in Bingley to the rest of Bradford?

I only hope that in the inevitable shake up following the elections that Cllr. Green takes away the Environmental portfolio from his Wibsey mate. If he doesn't then we'll know that he values patronage more than competence.
This is about consistency, common sense, and tolerance. Virtues essential to any society, especially ones as mixed as Bradford's. You can drive along Carlisle Road (say) on a Friday, or be close to the stadium on a match day, and see higgledy-piggledy, often illegal, parking being quite sensibly tolerated on the grounds of live and let live. So why doesn't Cllr. Thornton extend this tolerance to a Sunday morning service in Bingley. Or apply the zero tolerance attitude on display in Bingley to the rest of Bradford? I only hope that in the inevitable shake up following the elections that Cllr. Green takes away the Environmental portfolio from his Wibsey mate. If he doesn't then we'll know that he values patronage more than competence. sorrow&anger
  • Score: 3

10:41pm Mon 5 May 14

rosesrwhite says...

Albion. wrote:
rosesrwhite wrote:
Cllr Thornton loves Bingley, probably hoping the parking fines will put the congregation off attending services, then he can put the church up for sale along with the swimming baths and the town hall. What a top bloke.
The Church doesn't belong to the council.
Neither does the town hall, it belongs to the community, but that isn't stopping him.
[quote][p][bold]Albion.[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]rosesrwhite[/bold] wrote: Cllr Thornton loves Bingley, probably hoping the parking fines will put the congregation off attending services, then he can put the church up for sale along with the swimming baths and the town hall. What a top bloke.[/p][/quote]The Church doesn't belong to the council.[/p][/quote]Neither does the town hall, it belongs to the community, but that isn't stopping him. rosesrwhite
  • Score: -1

10:49pm Mon 5 May 14

Postman pedro says...

For gods sake. Walk to church or go travel on a bus to get there. End of.
For gods sake. Walk to church or go travel on a bus to get there. End of. Postman pedro
  • Score: 0

12:52am Tue 6 May 14

cibasteve says...

mad matt wrote:
JohnnyDale wrote:
I'm not sure what the point of this 'story' is. Surely you're not suggesting that certain people should be exempt from parking restrictions just because they're attending a meeting of their chosen cult?
To retain any credibility at all, then these same 'persecutions' should apply outside ALL other places of worship as well, but they clearly don't.

and just for any other eligions who takes exception to this - If t'cap fit tha mun wear it!
You don't happen to mean the parking on match days around Valley Parade do you?
We get a ticket (quite rightly) at 3-07pm but return to see cars parked on the pavement, double yellow lines on Lumb Lane and even on the zig zag lines on the crossing.
I really don't get why this certain cult, religion or race isn't ticketed as well.
[quote][p][bold]mad matt[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]JohnnyDale[/bold] wrote: I'm not sure what the point of this 'story' is. Surely you're not suggesting that certain people should be exempt from parking restrictions just because they're attending a meeting of their chosen cult?[/p][/quote]To retain any credibility at all, then these same 'persecutions' should apply outside ALL other places of worship as well, but they clearly don't. and just for any other eligions who takes exception to this - If t'cap fit tha mun wear it![/p][/quote]You don't happen to mean the parking on match days around Valley Parade do you? We get a ticket (quite rightly) at 3-07pm but return to see cars parked on the pavement, double yellow lines on Lumb Lane and even on the zig zag lines on the crossing. I really don't get why this certain cult, religion or race isn't ticketed as well. cibasteve
  • Score: 8

7:08am Tue 6 May 14

Albion. says...

rosesrwhite wrote:
Albion. wrote:
rosesrwhite wrote:
Cllr Thornton loves Bingley, probably hoping the parking fines will put the congregation off attending services, then he can put the church up for sale along with the swimming baths and the town hall. What a top bloke.
The Church doesn't belong to the council.
Neither does the town hall, it belongs to the community, but that isn't stopping him.
Legally it's ownership was passed to Bradford Council when the Metropolitan Borough was formed. The church belongs to the Church of England.
[quote][p][bold]rosesrwhite[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Albion.[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]rosesrwhite[/bold] wrote: Cllr Thornton loves Bingley, probably hoping the parking fines will put the congregation off attending services, then he can put the church up for sale along with the swimming baths and the town hall. What a top bloke.[/p][/quote]The Church doesn't belong to the council.[/p][/quote]Neither does the town hall, it belongs to the community, but that isn't stopping him.[/p][/quote]Legally it's ownership was passed to Bradford Council when the Metropolitan Borough was formed. The church belongs to the Church of England. Albion.
  • Score: 5

12:33pm Tue 6 May 14

yezboss says...

What ALL Council Emplyees need to remember is we pay their wages. DO NOT BITE THE HAND WHICH FEEDS YOU.
What ALL Council Emplyees need to remember is we pay their wages. DO NOT BITE THE HAND WHICH FEEDS YOU. yezboss
  • Score: -1

12:56pm Tue 6 May 14

vikkifizz says...

Crikey. All this over some parking! Suggestion - shorten your worship services and then they don't get tickets. Is that simple enough? Also, the council do need to ensure uniformity of handing out the tickets - not just targeting one area. Even better, why not walk to your church/mosque rather than park? There are plenty of both
Crikey. All this over some parking! Suggestion - shorten your worship services and then they don't get tickets. Is that simple enough? Also, the council do need to ensure uniformity of handing out the tickets - not just targeting one area. Even better, why not walk to your church/mosque rather than park? There are plenty of both vikkifizz
  • Score: -4

1:38pm Tue 6 May 14

Bikerbeardy says...

BagOfMonkeys wrote:
Sorry to come late to this story, but if them double lines shown in the picture are the same (broken to bits) lines all around the church, then those that's been ticketed have got reason to challenge their fines. The lines have to be unbroken and have the correct 'endings' at the end of them!!!!!!!!!!!
Sorry mate, on further investigation it appears that as long as it is clear that there are double lines the parking restrictions still hold, the council has a responsibility to maintain them to certain guidelines but does not have keep the lines solid, due to wear and tear
[quote][p][bold]BagOfMonkeys[/bold] wrote: Sorry to come late to this story, but if them double lines shown in the picture are the same (broken to bits) lines all around the church, then those that's been ticketed have got reason to challenge their fines. The lines have to be unbroken and have the correct 'endings' at the end of them!!!!!!!!!!![/p][/quote]Sorry mate, on further investigation it appears that as long as it is clear that there are double lines the parking restrictions still hold, the council has a responsibility to maintain them to certain guidelines but does not have keep the lines solid, due to wear and tear Bikerbeardy
  • Score: -1

11:09am Thu 8 May 14

carolyne74 says...

If residents would object to the time limit being increased by an hour, maybe they shouldn't have bought a house on a tiny street with very limited parking, next to a massive parish church. What difference would an extra hour of parking make once a week?
If residents would object to the time limit being increased by an hour, maybe they shouldn't have bought a house on a tiny street with very limited parking, next to a massive parish church. What difference would an extra hour of parking make once a week? carolyne74
  • Score: 0

10:26pm Sat 10 May 14

johnhem says...

yezboss wrote:
What ALL Council Emplyees need to remember is we pay their wages. DO NOT BITE THE HAND WHICH FEEDS YOU.
hope you stand up when you talk, if not every word would be muffled. are you telling ALL council employees not to bite the hand that feeds them? if you were capable of thought i'd suggest you think before commenting but you aren't so I won't.
most council workers do a good job, its the occasional idiots and the regular deadwood that are the problem.
[quote][p][bold]yezboss[/bold] wrote: What ALL Council Emplyees need to remember is we pay their wages. DO NOT BITE THE HAND WHICH FEEDS YOU.[/p][/quote]hope you stand up when you talk, if not every word would be muffled. are you telling ALL council employees not to bite the hand that feeds them? if you were capable of thought i'd suggest you think before commenting but you aren't so I won't. most council workers do a good job, its the occasional idiots and the regular deadwood that are the problem. johnhem
  • Score: -1

7:41pm Sat 17 May 14

yezboss says...

DONT REALLY UNDERSTAND YOU. Simple statement ALL COUNCIL EMPLOYEES SHOULD REMEMBER WHO PAYS THEM AND I REITERATE IF NEEDS BE - DON'T BITE THE HAND WHICH FEEDS YOU. IF THE CAP FITS WEAR IT. I never said ALL council workers and yes there is some dead wood. AND I ALWAYS STAND UP TO LECTURE.
DONT REALLY UNDERSTAND YOU. Simple statement ALL COUNCIL EMPLOYEES SHOULD REMEMBER WHO PAYS THEM AND I REITERATE IF NEEDS BE - DON'T BITE THE HAND WHICH FEEDS YOU. IF THE CAP FITS WEAR IT. I never said ALL council workers and yes there is some dead wood. AND I ALWAYS STAND UP TO LECTURE. yezboss
  • Score: 0

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