Call for renewed action to rid streets of sex trade years after Crossbow Cannibal killed

Bradford Telegraph and Argus: Vice girls on the streets of Bradford Vice girls on the streets of Bradford

Five years after Crossbow Cannibal Stephen Griffiths began his killing spree in Bradford’s red light district, prostitution is still rife in the area.

Despite repeated police crackdowns and greater working with members of the community to try to eradicate the problem, shops, businesses and residents complain they are still plagued by the issue on a daily basis.

They told the Telegraph & Argus how decent citizens, including children, are confronted face-to-face by the sex trade, and that the heinous crimes of Griffiths have not stopped working girls plying their business on the streets that he stalked.

Susan Rushworth, the first victim of Stephen Griffiths, went missing five years ago this June. The police promised to push prostitution out of Bradford after the Crossbow Cannibal murders.

But it is still blighting the city’s red light area in the Thornton Road and City Road areas and the streets in between, from as early as eight o’clock in the morning.

Shopkeeper Marfat Ullah said he was particularly concerned about the impact on his children.

“I take my children to school at Green Lane and the working girls are standing there on the corners at 8am,” said Mr Ullah.

“I have two children, aged eight and five, and it is embarrassing for me. We got out of the car outside the school one day and there was a condom next to it. I try to ignore what is happening so as not to draw it to the attention of my children.” He said the sex trade was also bringing crime into the area. “I have had a burglary at the shop where a hammer was used to get in. I think it is drug addicts who are linked to the girls who are doing it.

“But my biggest concern is about the condoms. A bin was put in for condoms and needles. That’s not a good idea because children can see it.

“Nothing has changed since Stephen Griffiths. It’s just the same. I don’t know what the answer is, though I would like to see more police patrols at night.”

Brendan McNulty, of City Bathrooms in City Road, said he saw prostitutes on the streets in the middle of the day on a Saturday and as early as 8.30am on a weekday.

He said: “I was once propositioned on our own car park, getting out of my car, at eight in the morning.

“One morning one of the girls was stood on the corner, wearing a very short skirt and with grass stains on her knees. It’s not very pleasant.

“We don’t have any female employees but it would be difficult to employ them around here. It’s always at the back of your mind that you will lose business because of it. But you get used to it, they are just there.

“Things don’t seem to be any different after Stephen Griffiths. The girls are still around. But I am not surprised because nothing changed after the Yorkshire Ripper. That’s the world we live in.

“If they put a few extra police patrols up and down here it might make a difference.”

Residents’ views were shared by local councillors.

Councillor Ishtiaq Ahmed (Ind, Manningham) said: “I think it is still a problem. The police have actually cracked down when they’ve had their operations, and the number of prostitutes declines. But as soon as it has ended it is business as usual.

“During operations it pushes the whole prostitution issue indoors, to designated houses.

On the police’s clampdown claims, Coun Ahmed added: “In the overall grand scheme of things, I don’t think there has been any impact.

“They have not got anywhere near getting rid of it.”

He continued: “The residents of Manningham have to put up with it on a daily basis. Children are risking picking up needles and condoms.

“To have working girls standing on any street and being visible to young children, I don’t think it is appropriate to say the least.

“There needs to be a greater effort by the local authority and police.”

Councillor Nazam Azam (Lab, City) said: “There has been a lot of work put in by all agencies over the past 12 to 18 months.

“There have been a lot more complaints in the past, but recently I have noticed there has been a considerable decrease in the amount of complaints from businesses and residents.

“We need to keep working to eradicate prostitution from the streets of Bradford. It is still an issue. Obviously it was becoming widespread across Manningham and City wards, and we have received petitions in relation to it.

“I do not believe it has been completely eradicated.

“One vulnerable individual out on the streets is one too many. It is not only a police matter - all agencies need to continue their work.”

Coun Azam suggested a priority should be targeting kerb crawlers, and added: “Everything needs to be done to make sure we have no vulnerable individuals on the street that are at potential risk of harm.

“I would definitely commend that the police have done significant steps towards tackling the issue, but there has to be a continuation of this. The number of arrests does not mean we can stop – it is a long road ahead.”

He added: “I believe we can take away the issues from Bradford and not leave any vulnerable individuals at potential risk.

“Lessons have been learnt after what happened with the Crossbow Cannibal. We are not there yet, but we are getting there.”

Councillor Imran Hussain, the deputy leader of Bradford Council and portfolio holder for safer and stronger communities, said: “We have travelled a significant journey since the Crossbow Cannibal, but we can never get complacent.

“We need to continue to tackle not only the issues at hand, but also the contributing issues such as criminality in general and drugs.”

Councillor Ruqayyah Collector (Ind, City) said: “It still exists. From what I understand, there are still drug supply issues in certain areas that help keep the trade active.

“But I do think there has been a reduction from the work that the police have been doing. I think they need to keep it on the agenda and not let it slip away.”

A report on prostitution will be discusssed by the Council’s Bradford West Area Committee at City Hall tomorrow.

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6:48am Tue 22 Apr 14

Albion. says...

The obvious thing is that there seems to be supply and demand. Maybe it would be better if the "business" was available in a more controlled environment with better all-round safety for workers and clients?
The obvious thing is that there seems to be supply and demand. Maybe it would be better if the "business" was available in a more controlled environment with better all-round safety for workers and clients? Albion.
  • Score: 45

8:20am Tue 22 Apr 14

BD16 says...

It's not the worlds oldest profession for nothing.

I don't agree with it personally but when a girl needs her drugs how's she to finance it?
It's not the worlds oldest profession for nothing. I don't agree with it personally but when a girl needs her drugs how's she to finance it? BD16
  • Score: 2

8:32am Tue 22 Apr 14

gracie field says...

How ironic. Until the good lads in that area who are dishing out drugs like sweets to young girls are caught and stopped and most importantly be forced to remain stopped then there are always going to be girls there because they owe these evil dealers drug money and need their next lot of drugs.

Most girls are there because they are addicts or someone has put them there because they owe them money and to be honest it's safer for those girl victims to ply to trade in a busy area rather than pushing the poor sods back into the industrial areas which puts these vulnerable lasses at a greater risk of harm. Dont you think councillors?

I wonder if these gangs of so called respectable men who are going round the streets of manningham terrorising these vulnerable girls will also be terrorising the drug dealers hanging around there waiting for the prostitutes to come back with money for the drugs they supply them with?

It is they who are after all causing this prostitution in the first place? It seems acceptable for their kids being brought up around drugs and their suppliers though seeing as we've not read any reports of these men sorting out the dealers in their community?

Lumb lane is notorious for drug dealers day and night and they haven't had the same attention from the gangs of hard men as their sex trade victims seem to be getting. It makes one wonder why that is doesn't it?

Dont you men and councillors wanna scare the gun using drug dealing gangsters away too or is it only vulnerable girls who they wish to frighten?

Isn't drug dealing more appalling for a child to witness than seeing girls on corners. Dealers are there because they are evil and greedy and in my view that means drugs are far worse for innocent children to come acros in life than a prostitute who after all is a vulnerable person and she is hardly likely to ply her trade to children unlike the dealers who sell to kids all the time.

Drug dealing is far more damaging to our town an our kids than seeing girls on street corners?

Isn't it odd that certain types of people can seem to do no wrong?
How ironic. Until the good lads in that area who are dishing out drugs like sweets to young girls are caught and stopped and most importantly be forced to remain stopped then there are always going to be girls there because they owe these evil dealers drug money and need their next lot of drugs. Most girls are there because they are addicts or someone has put them there because they owe them money and to be honest it's safer for those girl victims to ply to trade in a busy area rather than pushing the poor sods back into the industrial areas which puts these vulnerable lasses at a greater risk of harm. Dont you think councillors? I wonder if these gangs of so called respectable men who are going round the streets of manningham terrorising these vulnerable girls will also be terrorising the drug dealers hanging around there waiting for the prostitutes to come back with money for the drugs they supply them with? It is they who are after all causing this prostitution in the first place? It seems acceptable for their kids being brought up around drugs and their suppliers though seeing as we've not read any reports of these men sorting out the dealers in their community? Lumb lane is notorious for drug dealers day and night and they haven't had the same attention from the gangs of hard men as their sex trade victims seem to be getting. It makes one wonder why that is doesn't it? Dont you men and councillors wanna scare the gun using drug dealing gangsters away too or is it only vulnerable girls who they wish to frighten? Isn't drug dealing more appalling for a child to witness than seeing girls on corners. Dealers are there because they are evil and greedy and in my view that means drugs are far worse for innocent children to come acros in life than a prostitute who after all is a vulnerable person and she is hardly likely to ply her trade to children unlike the dealers who sell to kids all the time. Drug dealing is far more damaging to our town an our kids than seeing girls on street corners? Isn't it odd that certain types of people can seem to do no wrong? gracie field
  • Score: 108

8:40am Tue 22 Apr 14

Ratters Rat says...

People always think its drugs. For some its a way of paying bills feeding children.
Let's get rid well we have been trying for years and it hasn't worked.
The way forward is to make it legal. Give these ladies and gentlemen a safe area to work. If they could be registered then medical treatment could be made available along with other services.
What they need is support from the community for this to happen.
They need to form a working group with the same objectives a safe area which all parties are happy with. It maybe that a time of working is agreed.
If they operate outside of this then the police come down hard on all parties.
Bradford Council need to move forward with this and take the lead for other cities to follow.
People always think its drugs. For some its a way of paying bills feeding children. Let's get rid well we have been trying for years and it hasn't worked. The way forward is to make it legal. Give these ladies and gentlemen a safe area to work. If they could be registered then medical treatment could be made available along with other services. What they need is support from the community for this to happen. They need to form a working group with the same objectives a safe area which all parties are happy with. It maybe that a time of working is agreed. If they operate outside of this then the police come down hard on all parties. Bradford Council need to move forward with this and take the lead for other cities to follow. Ratters Rat
  • Score: 35

9:04am Tue 22 Apr 14

linebacker2 says...

Ratters Rat wrote:
People always think its drugs. For some its a way of paying bills feeding children.
Let's get rid well we have been trying for years and it hasn't worked.
The way forward is to make it legal. Give these ladies and gentlemen a safe area to work. If they could be registered then medical treatment could be made available along with other services.
What they need is support from the community for this to happen.
They need to form a working group with the same objectives a safe area which all parties are happy with. It maybe that a time of working is agreed.
If they operate outside of this then the police come down hard on all parties.
Bradford Council need to move forward with this and take the lead for other cities to follow.
You are of course 100% correct. Other countries have legalised the trade with positive results, yet here we're still in a Victorian timewarp on the issue. The vice trade was ancient back in the days of the Yorkshire Ripper, yet here we are decades later still trying the same failed tactics..
[quote][p][bold]Ratters Rat[/bold] wrote: People always think its drugs. For some its a way of paying bills feeding children. Let's get rid well we have been trying for years and it hasn't worked. The way forward is to make it legal. Give these ladies and gentlemen a safe area to work. If they could be registered then medical treatment could be made available along with other services. What they need is support from the community for this to happen. They need to form a working group with the same objectives a safe area which all parties are happy with. It maybe that a time of working is agreed. If they operate outside of this then the police come down hard on all parties. Bradford Council need to move forward with this and take the lead for other cities to follow.[/p][/quote]You are of course 100% correct. Other countries have legalised the trade with positive results, yet here we're still in a Victorian timewarp on the issue. The vice trade was ancient back in the days of the Yorkshire Ripper, yet here we are decades later still trying the same failed tactics.. linebacker2
  • Score: 26

9:10am Tue 22 Apr 14

alive and awake says...

Nationalise and subsidise the drug trade, legalise prostitution, then half the judiciary, close half the prisons. money saved spend on infrastructure creating employment. simples.
Nationalise and subsidise the drug trade, legalise prostitution, then half the judiciary, close half the prisons. money saved spend on infrastructure creating employment. simples. alive and awake
  • Score: 7

9:12am Tue 22 Apr 14

northern pig says...

Prostitution is the oldest profession in the world, the government of this country should follow the lead of other major western countries by legalising it,controlling it and cleaning it up.The welfare of the girl's should be paramount.Housing them in a secure environment to ply their trade and paying tax on their earnings is the way forward.The other point i have to make also is that vigilante gangs are illegal too and should feel the full force of the law.
Prostitution is the oldest profession in the world, the government of this country should follow the lead of other major western countries by legalising it,controlling it and cleaning it up.The welfare of the girl's should be paramount.Housing them in a secure environment to ply their trade and paying tax on their earnings is the way forward.The other point i have to make also is that vigilante gangs are illegal too and should feel the full force of the law. northern pig
  • Score: 28

9:13am Tue 22 Apr 14

northern pig says...

Prostitution is the oldest profession in the world, the government of this country should follow the lead of other major western countries by legalising it,controlling it and cleaning it up.The welfare of the girl's should be paramount.Housing them in a secure environment to ply their trade and paying tax on their earnings is the way forward.The other point i have to make also is that vigilante gangs are illegal too and should feel the full force of the law.
Prostitution is the oldest profession in the world, the government of this country should follow the lead of other major western countries by legalising it,controlling it and cleaning it up.The welfare of the girl's should be paramount.Housing them in a secure environment to ply their trade and paying tax on their earnings is the way forward.The other point i have to make also is that vigilante gangs are illegal too and should feel the full force of the law. northern pig
  • Score: 4

9:13am Tue 22 Apr 14

northern pig says...

Prostitution is the oldest profession in the world, the government of this country should follow the lead of other major western countries by legalising it,controlling it and cleaning it up.The welfare of the girl's should be paramount.Housing them in a secure environment to ply their trade and paying tax on their earnings is the way forward.The other point i have to make also is that vigilante gangs are illegal too and should feel the full force of the law.
Prostitution is the oldest profession in the world, the government of this country should follow the lead of other major western countries by legalising it,controlling it and cleaning it up.The welfare of the girl's should be paramount.Housing them in a secure environment to ply their trade and paying tax on their earnings is the way forward.The other point i have to make also is that vigilante gangs are illegal too and should feel the full force of the law. northern pig
  • Score: 2

9:29am Tue 22 Apr 14

Oldwestbowling says...

northern pig wrote:
Prostitution is the oldest profession in the world, the government of this country should follow the lead of other major western countries by legalising it,controlling it and cleaning it up.The welfare of the girl's should be paramount.Housing them in a secure environment to ply their trade and paying tax on their earnings is the way forward.The other point i have to make also is that vigilante gangs are illegal too and should feel the full force of the law.
I doubt they will though. Just as the vigilantes won't tackle the drug dealers who are the root cause of this problem neither will the police tackle the vigilantes. Get rid of the drug dealers first. They're more of a problem to this City than the prostitutes.
[quote][p][bold]northern pig[/bold] wrote: Prostitution is the oldest profession in the world, the government of this country should follow the lead of other major western countries by legalising it,controlling it and cleaning it up.The welfare of the girl's should be paramount.Housing them in a secure environment to ply their trade and paying tax on their earnings is the way forward.The other point i have to make also is that vigilante gangs are illegal too and should feel the full force of the law.[/p][/quote]I doubt they will though. Just as the vigilantes won't tackle the drug dealers who are the root cause of this problem neither will the police tackle the vigilantes. Get rid of the drug dealers first. They're more of a problem to this City than the prostitutes. Oldwestbowling
  • Score: 31

9:52am Tue 22 Apr 14

Michael Manus says...

I was witness to an accident on that street a few months back and when I challenged the police regarding the CCTV cameras which are quite clearly visible they said they weren't used for that purpose but for the kerb crawlers. Not having a very good effect are they?
I was witness to an accident on that street a few months back and when I challenged the police regarding the CCTV cameras which are quite clearly visible they said they weren't used for that purpose but for the kerb crawlers. Not having a very good effect are they? Michael Manus
  • Score: 23

10:13am Tue 22 Apr 14

999 number of the beast says...

The bottom line is kerb crawling is currently against the law. However the problem is now even worse because most of the 'workers' are junkies unfortunately.
I think for a start they should put signs up saying kerb crawling is an offence. Also it would help if the put the sign up in languages the migrants can understand because basically some have no idea how the law works in this country.
This is one area were the police are damned either way and this is rare coming from me:)
The bottom line is kerb crawling is currently against the law. However the problem is now even worse because most of the 'workers' are junkies unfortunately. I think for a start they should put signs up saying kerb crawling is an offence. Also it would help if the put the sign up in languages the migrants can understand because basically some have no idea how the law works in this country. This is one area were the police are damned either way and this is rare coming from me:) 999 number of the beast
  • Score: 8

10:23am Tue 22 Apr 14

cityofdreams says...

There were fears of vigilante action and at one stage groups of young men were seen walking round the streets to deter prostitution.mmm trying to enforce sharia law like in london ?
There were fears of vigilante action and at one stage groups of young men were seen walking round the streets to deter prostitution.mmm trying to enforce sharia law like in london ? cityofdreams
  • Score: 37

10:23am Tue 22 Apr 14

The Local Observer says...

Gracie Field yours words are so correct, couldn't agree more with you.
Gracie Field yours words are so correct, couldn't agree more with you. The Local Observer
  • Score: 18

11:28am Tue 22 Apr 14

Not so simple says...

Vigilantes? Totally agree with Gracie above: these pathetic vigilantes are only chasing the vulnerable working girls away, why don't they grow
A pair and chase their mates and cousins who are pimping the girls and selling them drugs? Maybe they don't want to bother the drug dealers
And pimps as they can fight back unlike the working girls.

The issues with working girls is getting much worse now that Eastern European gangs are getting a foothold in the city: how many stories have you read in the papers where young Eastern European girls go missing for days and are found with some dirty old man trying to push them onto drugs/booze to get them working: I I have some Slovak neighbours who advise that this is common practice amongst the pimps of all races and is well known to the authorities!!!...The
re is only one solution which is to allow prostition in controlled environments like a legalised area. Within that area drug and counselling services should be out helping and checking on the girls. Secondly advertising the services of working girls should be banned
And discouraged as I believe this leads to pimps trading girls around the country like sheep.

More needs to be done on this entire subject. Consideration should also be given to legalising some drugs so that the pimps and dealers get taken off the scene and atleast with some free counselling within the legalised working areas the working girls may get a chance of breaking free from this disgusting trade.
Vigilantes? Totally agree with Gracie above: these pathetic vigilantes are only chasing the vulnerable working girls away, why don't they grow A pair and chase their mates and cousins who are pimping the girls and selling them drugs? Maybe they don't want to bother the drug dealers And pimps as they can fight back unlike the working girls. The issues with working girls is getting much worse now that Eastern European gangs are getting a foothold in the city: how many stories have you read in the papers where young Eastern European girls go missing for days and are found with some dirty old man trying to push them onto drugs/booze to get them working: I I have some Slovak neighbours who advise that this is common practice amongst the pimps of all races and is well known to the authorities!!!...The re is only one solution which is to allow prostition in controlled environments like a legalised area. Within that area drug and counselling services should be out helping and checking on the girls. Secondly advertising the services of working girls should be banned And discouraged as I believe this leads to pimps trading girls around the country like sheep. More needs to be done on this entire subject. Consideration should also be given to legalising some drugs so that the pimps and dealers get taken off the scene and atleast with some free counselling within the legalised working areas the working girls may get a chance of breaking free from this disgusting trade. Not so simple
  • Score: 16

12:03pm Tue 22 Apr 14

thingybob68 says...

Used condoms strewn outside a primary school and kids and parents having to walk past junki prostitutes on the way to school - and the Police only decided to act after the residents took a stand against this disgusting illegal criminality - what a pathetic Police force, unless they can dish out penalty points or fines they dont seem interested.

No community or parents would put up with this ouside a school, shame on the Police.

Not to mention the real danger of a child exposing themselves to aids. hiv or who knows what from used condoms and needles.
Used condoms strewn outside a primary school and kids and parents having to walk past junki prostitutes on the way to school - and the Police only decided to act after the residents took a stand against this disgusting illegal criminality - what a pathetic Police force, unless they can dish out penalty points or fines they dont seem interested. No community or parents would put up with this ouside a school, shame on the Police. Not to mention the real danger of a child exposing themselves to aids. hiv or who knows what from used condoms and needles. thingybob68
  • Score: -15

12:09pm Tue 22 Apr 14

999 number of the beast says...

As the police can't be there all the time. How about using them realistic cardboard officers that you see in shops. I admit it won't deter the hardened kerb crawler but its a cheap solution.
As the police can't be there all the time. How about using them realistic cardboard officers that you see in shops. I admit it won't deter the hardened kerb crawler but its a cheap solution. 999 number of the beast
  • Score: 1

1:27pm Tue 22 Apr 14

gracie field says...

thingybob68 wrote:
Used condoms strewn outside a primary school and kids and parents having to walk past junki prostitutes on the way to school - and the Police only decided to act after the residents took a stand against this disgusting illegal criminality - what a pathetic Police force, unless they can dish out penalty points or fines they dont seem interested.

No community or parents would put up with this ouside a school, shame on the Police.

Not to mention the real danger of a child exposing themselves to aids. hiv or who knows what from used condoms and needles.
If you or other parents are really that concerned about condoms strewn around why not get off your backsides and take it in turns to go out with dog pooh bags before the children arrive and pick them up? That is what I and the people I know would do. Its called having community spirit/pride.

What you don't do is take it upon yourself to abuse or frighten vulnerable victims of the drug dealers and sex trade as that would be wrong and possibly illegal. These girls are victims who do these men think they actually are?

Vigilantes in the UK are illegal if people wish to live in a lawless society where gangs of thugs go around bullying other people then I suggest you find a different country in which to settle.

If you are not happy about something the police in this country do then put in an official complaint you don't act like thugs. It is quite typical that this particular community turn vigilante and all that kind of criminal behaviour will do is cause more unrest. We saw this in Tower Hamlets and look what happened to them!

No one has a right to be judge and jury of those vulnerable victims and take it upon themselves to dish out "justice" or interfere in another persons lifestyle.

We don't do things like that in this country. If anti social behaviour goes on around you you should keep a diary of the incidents and pass it over to our police force. We cant have gangs of thugs on the streets thinking they are above the law. Who the heck do they think they are?

Those men are no different to the people they are bullying and they are as lawless too. If I came across a gang of angry men who bullied me and who interfered in my life i would be mortified. i would press charges against them.

Prostitutes are protected by our laws too you know.
Its time these men were taught how to behave because its hypercritical to moan about others lawbreaking then law break themselves.
[quote][p][bold]thingybob68[/bold] wrote: Used condoms strewn outside a primary school and kids and parents having to walk past junki prostitutes on the way to school - and the Police only decided to act after the residents took a stand against this disgusting illegal criminality - what a pathetic Police force, unless they can dish out penalty points or fines they dont seem interested. No community or parents would put up with this ouside a school, shame on the Police. Not to mention the real danger of a child exposing themselves to aids. hiv or who knows what from used condoms and needles.[/p][/quote]If you or other parents are really that concerned about condoms strewn around why not get off your backsides and take it in turns to go out with dog pooh bags before the children arrive and pick them up? That is what I and the people I know would do. Its called having community spirit/pride. What you don't do is take it upon yourself to abuse or frighten vulnerable victims of the drug dealers and sex trade as that would be wrong and possibly illegal. These girls are victims who do these men think they actually are? Vigilantes in the UK are illegal if people wish to live in a lawless society where gangs of thugs go around bullying other people then I suggest you find a different country in which to settle. If you are not happy about something the police in this country do then put in an official complaint you don't act like thugs. It is quite typical that this particular community turn vigilante and all that kind of criminal behaviour will do is cause more unrest. We saw this in Tower Hamlets and look what happened to them! No one has a right to be judge and jury of those vulnerable victims and take it upon themselves to dish out "justice" or interfere in another persons lifestyle. We don't do things like that in this country. If anti social behaviour goes on around you you should keep a diary of the incidents and pass it over to our police force. We cant have gangs of thugs on the streets thinking they are above the law. Who the heck do they think they are? Those men are no different to the people they are bullying and they are as lawless too. If I came across a gang of angry men who bullied me and who interfered in my life i would be mortified. i would press charges against them. Prostitutes are protected by our laws too you know. Its time these men were taught how to behave because its hypercritical to moan about others lawbreaking then law break themselves. gracie field
  • Score: 32

1:46pm Tue 22 Apr 14

thingybob68 says...

gracie field wrote:
thingybob68 wrote:
Used condoms strewn outside a primary school and kids and parents having to walk past junki prostitutes on the way to school - and the Police only decided to act after the residents took a stand against this disgusting illegal criminality - what a pathetic Police force, unless they can dish out penalty points or fines they dont seem interested.

No community or parents would put up with this ouside a school, shame on the Police.

Not to mention the real danger of a child exposing themselves to aids. hiv or who knows what from used condoms and needles.
If you or other parents are really that concerned about condoms strewn around why not get off your backsides and take it in turns to go out with dog pooh bags before the children arrive and pick them up? That is what I and the people I know would do. Its called having community spirit/pride.

What you don't do is take it upon yourself to abuse or frighten vulnerable victims of the drug dealers and sex trade as that would be wrong and possibly illegal. These girls are victims who do these men think they actually are?

Vigilantes in the UK are illegal if people wish to live in a lawless society where gangs of thugs go around bullying other people then I suggest you find a different country in which to settle.

If you are not happy about something the police in this country do then put in an official complaint you don't act like thugs. It is quite typical that this particular community turn vigilante and all that kind of criminal behaviour will do is cause more unrest. We saw this in Tower Hamlets and look what happened to them!

No one has a right to be judge and jury of those vulnerable victims and take it upon themselves to dish out "justice" or interfere in another persons lifestyle.

We don't do things like that in this country. If anti social behaviour goes on around you you should keep a diary of the incidents and pass it over to our police force. We cant have gangs of thugs on the streets thinking they are above the law. Who the heck do they think they are?

Those men are no different to the people they are bullying and they are as lawless too. If I came across a gang of angry men who bullied me and who interfered in my life i would be mortified. i would press charges against them.

Prostitutes are protected by our laws too you know.
Its time these men were taught how to behave because its hypercritical to moan about others lawbreaking then law break themselves.
You go round picking up used condoms often then gracie?

In this case its quite obvious that the law of the land was not being enforced, making it quite lawless for all intents and purposes.

Good on the residents for taking action and shaming the Police, very public spirited of them.
[quote][p][bold]gracie field[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]thingybob68[/bold] wrote: Used condoms strewn outside a primary school and kids and parents having to walk past junki prostitutes on the way to school - and the Police only decided to act after the residents took a stand against this disgusting illegal criminality - what a pathetic Police force, unless they can dish out penalty points or fines they dont seem interested. No community or parents would put up with this ouside a school, shame on the Police. Not to mention the real danger of a child exposing themselves to aids. hiv or who knows what from used condoms and needles.[/p][/quote]If you or other parents are really that concerned about condoms strewn around why not get off your backsides and take it in turns to go out with dog pooh bags before the children arrive and pick them up? That is what I and the people I know would do. Its called having community spirit/pride. What you don't do is take it upon yourself to abuse or frighten vulnerable victims of the drug dealers and sex trade as that would be wrong and possibly illegal. These girls are victims who do these men think they actually are? Vigilantes in the UK are illegal if people wish to live in a lawless society where gangs of thugs go around bullying other people then I suggest you find a different country in which to settle. If you are not happy about something the police in this country do then put in an official complaint you don't act like thugs. It is quite typical that this particular community turn vigilante and all that kind of criminal behaviour will do is cause more unrest. We saw this in Tower Hamlets and look what happened to them! No one has a right to be judge and jury of those vulnerable victims and take it upon themselves to dish out "justice" or interfere in another persons lifestyle. We don't do things like that in this country. If anti social behaviour goes on around you you should keep a diary of the incidents and pass it over to our police force. We cant have gangs of thugs on the streets thinking they are above the law. Who the heck do they think they are? Those men are no different to the people they are bullying and they are as lawless too. If I came across a gang of angry men who bullied me and who interfered in my life i would be mortified. i would press charges against them. Prostitutes are protected by our laws too you know. Its time these men were taught how to behave because its hypercritical to moan about others lawbreaking then law break themselves.[/p][/quote]You go round picking up used condoms often then gracie? In this case its quite obvious that the law of the land was not being enforced, making it quite lawless for all intents and purposes. Good on the residents for taking action and shaming the Police, very public spirited of them. thingybob68
  • Score: -22

1:54pm Tue 22 Apr 14

gracie field says...

thingybob68 wrote:
gracie field wrote:
thingybob68 wrote:
Used condoms strewn outside a primary school and kids and parents having to walk past junki prostitutes on the way to school - and the Police only decided to act after the residents took a stand against this disgusting illegal criminality - what a pathetic Police force, unless they can dish out penalty points or fines they dont seem interested.

No community or parents would put up with this ouside a school, shame on the Police.

Not to mention the real danger of a child exposing themselves to aids. hiv or who knows what from used condoms and needles.
If you or other parents are really that concerned about condoms strewn around why not get off your backsides and take it in turns to go out with dog pooh bags before the children arrive and pick them up? That is what I and the people I know would do. Its called having community spirit/pride.

What you don't do is take it upon yourself to abuse or frighten vulnerable victims of the drug dealers and sex trade as that would be wrong and possibly illegal. These girls are victims who do these men think they actually are?

Vigilantes in the UK are illegal if people wish to live in a lawless society where gangs of thugs go around bullying other people then I suggest you find a different country in which to settle.

If you are not happy about something the police in this country do then put in an official complaint you don't act like thugs. It is quite typical that this particular community turn vigilante and all that kind of criminal behaviour will do is cause more unrest. We saw this in Tower Hamlets and look what happened to them!

No one has a right to be judge and jury of those vulnerable victims and take it upon themselves to dish out "justice" or interfere in another persons lifestyle.

We don't do things like that in this country. If anti social behaviour goes on around you you should keep a diary of the incidents and pass it over to our police force. We cant have gangs of thugs on the streets thinking they are above the law. Who the heck do they think they are?

Those men are no different to the people they are bullying and they are as lawless too. If I came across a gang of angry men who bullied me and who interfered in my life i would be mortified. i would press charges against them.

Prostitutes are protected by our laws too you know.
Its time these men were taught how to behave because its hypercritical to moan about others lawbreaking then law break themselves.
You go round picking up used condoms often then gracie?

In this case its quite obvious that the law of the land was not being enforced, making it quite lawless for all intents and purposes.

Good on the residents for taking action and shaming the Police, very public spirited of them.
If i was worried about my child seeing/being infected by them enough to turn me into a criminal vigilante then yes of course I would remove them. Why wouldn't I?

They can't be any worse than removing cat faeces out of a flower border or dog mess off of a grass verge.

Those thugs were not doing the right thing and you thinking they did shows you up as someone who supports lawlessness and disorder. No wonder Bradford is in this state when people like yourself find it so difficult to stay within the law.
[quote][p][bold]thingybob68[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]gracie field[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]thingybob68[/bold] wrote: Used condoms strewn outside a primary school and kids and parents having to walk past junki prostitutes on the way to school - and the Police only decided to act after the residents took a stand against this disgusting illegal criminality - what a pathetic Police force, unless they can dish out penalty points or fines they dont seem interested. No community or parents would put up with this ouside a school, shame on the Police. Not to mention the real danger of a child exposing themselves to aids. hiv or who knows what from used condoms and needles.[/p][/quote]If you or other parents are really that concerned about condoms strewn around why not get off your backsides and take it in turns to go out with dog pooh bags before the children arrive and pick them up? That is what I and the people I know would do. Its called having community spirit/pride. What you don't do is take it upon yourself to abuse or frighten vulnerable victims of the drug dealers and sex trade as that would be wrong and possibly illegal. These girls are victims who do these men think they actually are? Vigilantes in the UK are illegal if people wish to live in a lawless society where gangs of thugs go around bullying other people then I suggest you find a different country in which to settle. If you are not happy about something the police in this country do then put in an official complaint you don't act like thugs. It is quite typical that this particular community turn vigilante and all that kind of criminal behaviour will do is cause more unrest. We saw this in Tower Hamlets and look what happened to them! No one has a right to be judge and jury of those vulnerable victims and take it upon themselves to dish out "justice" or interfere in another persons lifestyle. We don't do things like that in this country. If anti social behaviour goes on around you you should keep a diary of the incidents and pass it over to our police force. We cant have gangs of thugs on the streets thinking they are above the law. Who the heck do they think they are? Those men are no different to the people they are bullying and they are as lawless too. If I came across a gang of angry men who bullied me and who interfered in my life i would be mortified. i would press charges against them. Prostitutes are protected by our laws too you know. Its time these men were taught how to behave because its hypercritical to moan about others lawbreaking then law break themselves.[/p][/quote]You go round picking up used condoms often then gracie? In this case its quite obvious that the law of the land was not being enforced, making it quite lawless for all intents and purposes. Good on the residents for taking action and shaming the Police, very public spirited of them.[/p][/quote]If i was worried about my child seeing/being infected by them enough to turn me into a criminal vigilante then yes of course I would remove them. Why wouldn't I? They can't be any worse than removing cat faeces out of a flower border or dog mess off of a grass verge. Those thugs were not doing the right thing and you thinking they did shows you up as someone who supports lawlessness and disorder. No wonder Bradford is in this state when people like yourself find it so difficult to stay within the law. gracie field
  • Score: 23

2:02pm Tue 22 Apr 14

jayho67 says...

That's totally gross, why would the school not say anything about used condoms and needles lying near the school, don't they care about the kids safety.

Sounds like both the school and the Police have been failing the kids, glad its going to get sorted.
That's totally gross, why would the school not say anything about used condoms and needles lying near the school, don't they care about the kids safety. Sounds like both the school and the Police have been failing the kids, glad its going to get sorted. jayho67
  • Score: -11

2:17pm Tue 22 Apr 14

gracie field says...

thingybob68 wrote:
Used condoms strewn outside a primary school and kids and parents having to walk past junki prostitutes on the way to school - and the Police only decided to act after the residents took a stand against this disgusting illegal criminality - what a pathetic Police force, unless they can dish out penalty points or fines they dont seem interested.

No community or parents would put up with this ouside a school, shame on the Police.

Not to mention the real danger of a child exposing themselves to aids. hiv or who knows what from used condoms and needles.
Another point id like to make about your comment thingy is that "having to walk past junki prostitutes on the way to school" whether she is in the sex trade or not and who may or may not be on drugs wont harm either the parents or the children and neither is it a criminal offence.

You people do need to get some anger management to stop you getting get so hysterical over pointless and imagined things. Have none of you heard the saying pick your arguments wisely? Next you will want to ban a certain type of peoples from walking down "your streets" or near "your schools" in case they aren't dressed correctly.

What if an innocent white girl was stood on a corner waiting for a friend would that be OK with you all or would you harass her too?

You people need to get a grip regarding the police too, they cant do anything unless a crime happens because they are in effect evidence gatherers after a crime and I don't think the CPS will make a case of a condom on the floor. Saying that breach of the peace would be a start if those men continue to harass anymore of those ladies.

Maybe you would prefer it if the police came out every time you found a condom on the floor and took DNA and photographs and put out a photo fit in the paper too all costing tax payers thousands?

Like I said hysterical. LOL

Really you are all getting excited over nothing. Concentrate on ridding your area of the drugs that ruin thousands of lives daily in this town before you start on the victims. Drugs are not harmless and prostitutes are all part of the fallout.

Don't moan about one problem and turn a blind eye to the bigger issue which causes it. Like i said earlier bloody hypocrites.
[quote][p][bold]thingybob68[/bold] wrote: Used condoms strewn outside a primary school and kids and parents having to walk past junki prostitutes on the way to school - and the Police only decided to act after the residents took a stand against this disgusting illegal criminality - what a pathetic Police force, unless they can dish out penalty points or fines they dont seem interested. No community or parents would put up with this ouside a school, shame on the Police. Not to mention the real danger of a child exposing themselves to aids. hiv or who knows what from used condoms and needles.[/p][/quote]Another point id like to make about your comment thingy is that "having to walk past junki prostitutes on the way to school" whether she is in the sex trade or not and who may or may not be on drugs wont harm either the parents or the children and neither is it a criminal offence. You people do need to get some anger management to stop you getting get so hysterical over pointless and imagined things. Have none of you heard the saying pick your arguments wisely? Next you will want to ban a certain type of peoples from walking down "your streets" or near "your schools" in case they aren't dressed correctly. What if an innocent white girl was stood on a corner waiting for a friend would that be OK with you all or would you harass her too? You people need to get a grip regarding the police too, they cant do anything unless a crime happens because they are in effect evidence gatherers after a crime and I don't think the CPS will make a case of a condom on the floor. Saying that breach of the peace would be a start if those men continue to harass anymore of those ladies. Maybe you would prefer it if the police came out every time you found a condom on the floor and took DNA and photographs and put out a photo fit in the paper too all costing tax payers thousands? Like I said hysterical. LOL Really you are all getting excited over nothing. Concentrate on ridding your area of the drugs that ruin thousands of lives daily in this town before you start on the victims. Drugs are not harmless and prostitutes are all part of the fallout. Don't moan about one problem and turn a blind eye to the bigger issue which causes it. Like i said earlier bloody hypocrites. gracie field
  • Score: 20

2:43pm Tue 22 Apr 14

gracie field says...

jayho67 wrote:
That's totally gross, why would the school not say anything about used condoms and needles lying near the school, don't they care about the kids safety.

Sounds like both the school and the Police have been failing the kids, glad its going to get sorted.
Jayho67 is that all anyone ever does- pass the buck? Why do certain people expect the school or police and others to take responsibility about your children's welfare outside of school?

Stop being lazy parents it would take two minutes to pick the items up and dispose of them appropriately before the children see them. Yes they are gross but if the adults took responsibility this could be solved without vigilantes taking to our streets taking the law into their own hands. Do you really feel a gang of vigilantes harassing young girls is acceptable behaviour?

There's a number you can call if you find used needles and they will come out and dispose of them appropriately why don't they google it and ring them up for removal like everyone else has to in the UK?

If that is too much then you obviously don't care about your own children's safety?

Some parents need to put their brains in gear and organise a rota to clean them up in a morning before the kids get there. Also if the kids see these girls and ask questions about them you could distract the children and divert their questions about these sex workers? Like i said earlier say they are waiting for friends or something. Children cant possibly know what they are really up to.

Nothing I have read yet warrants the usual hysterics or the gathering of a gang of thug vigilantes and taking our laws into your own hands. Like I said the girls would be in their rights to report these men for harassment or threatening behaviour. We can't have whole areas which are lawless this is a civilised country.
[quote][p][bold]jayho67[/bold] wrote: That's totally gross, why would the school not say anything about used condoms and needles lying near the school, don't they care about the kids safety. Sounds like both the school and the Police have been failing the kids, glad its going to get sorted.[/p][/quote]Jayho67 is that all anyone ever does- pass the buck? Why do certain people expect the school or police and others to take responsibility about your children's welfare outside of school? Stop being lazy parents it would take two minutes to pick the items up and dispose of them appropriately before the children see them. Yes they are gross but if the adults took responsibility this could be solved without vigilantes taking to our streets taking the law into their own hands. Do you really feel a gang of vigilantes harassing young girls is acceptable behaviour? There's a number you can call if you find used needles and they will come out and dispose of them appropriately why don't they google it and ring them up for removal like everyone else has to in the UK? If that is too much then you obviously don't care about your own children's safety? Some parents need to put their brains in gear and organise a rota to clean them up in a morning before the kids get there. Also if the kids see these girls and ask questions about them you could distract the children and divert their questions about these sex workers? Like i said earlier say they are waiting for friends or something. Children cant possibly know what they are really up to. Nothing I have read yet warrants the usual hysterics or the gathering of a gang of thug vigilantes and taking our laws into your own hands. Like I said the girls would be in their rights to report these men for harassment or threatening behaviour. We can't have whole areas which are lawless this is a civilised country. gracie field
  • Score: 18

3:14pm Tue 22 Apr 14

justiceleager says...

There is a real risk of hiv transmission and other STD's from used condoms and needles especially when you factor in sex workers, not even the council under elf and safety would allow its staff to handle such items without proper training and equipment.

It beggars belief that the school, council and police would tolerate children being exposed to such an obvious hazard.

Would the T&A care to put such a question to the council?
There is a real risk of hiv transmission and other STD's from used condoms and needles especially when you factor in sex workers, not even the council under elf and safety would allow its staff to handle such items without proper training and equipment. It beggars belief that the school, council and police would tolerate children being exposed to such an obvious hazard. Would the T&A care to put such a question to the council? justiceleager
  • Score: -12

3:41pm Tue 22 Apr 14

RollandSmoke says...

Question. Have the number of girls on the streets increased over the course of this government due to things such as benefit sanctions bedroom taxes ect?. Yes some girls will be out there to get money for drugs, which when you consider that a kilo of heroin from the farm gates in Afganistan will cost you around £40 and by the time it reaches the British streets is worth £40,000 plus all the costs to clean up the social problems it causes, would seem like a no-brainer to take the criminality out of the supply chain, but aren't we all addicted to food?
Question. Have the number of girls on the streets increased over the course of this government due to things such as benefit sanctions bedroom taxes ect?. Yes some girls will be out there to get money for drugs, which when you consider that a kilo of heroin from the farm gates in Afganistan will cost you around £40 and by the time it reaches the British streets is worth £40,000 plus all the costs to clean up the social problems it causes, would seem like a no-brainer to take the criminality out of the supply chain, but aren't we all addicted to food? RollandSmoke
  • Score: 3

3:52pm Tue 22 Apr 14

Class_War says...

It's no surprise that as destitution increases so does social problems like prostitution. The only way to create a better society is by re-distributing the wealth, but no Government will ever do that!
It's no surprise that as destitution increases so does social problems like prostitution. The only way to create a better society is by re-distributing the wealth, but no Government will ever do that! Class_War
  • Score: 1

4:05pm Tue 22 Apr 14

son123 says...

I dont think they'll ever eradicate prostitution in that area. Maybe eradication of the drugs in the area may move them somewhere else. Theres good charities aka teen challenge outside sunbridge road mission that try to help the girls in question. Many suffer from depression, no self esteem and worse they are made to with threats if they dont. Dammed if they do. But a dammed if they don't issue. Find the traffickers and the drug dealers.
I dont think they'll ever eradicate prostitution in that area. Maybe eradication of the drugs in the area may move them somewhere else. Theres good charities aka teen challenge outside sunbridge road mission that try to help the girls in question. Many suffer from depression, no self esteem and worse they are made to with threats if they dont. Dammed if they do. But a dammed if they don't issue. Find the traffickers and the drug dealers. son123
  • Score: 18

4:07pm Tue 22 Apr 14

RollandSmoke says...

Class_War wrote:
It's no surprise that as destitution increases so does social problems like prostitution. The only way to create a better society is by re-distributing the wealth, but no Government will ever do that!
I think if you look at MP's bank balances over the last four years you'll see that there has been a fair bit of re-distribution of wealth going on. To paraphrase Philip Davies “Surely taxpayers not on expenses who cannot afford a second home should not be expected to pay for a second home for MPs on expenses.”
[quote][p][bold]Class_War[/bold] wrote: It's no surprise that as destitution increases so does social problems like prostitution. The only way to create a better society is by re-distributing the wealth, but no Government will ever do that![/p][/quote]I think if you look at MP's bank balances over the last four years you'll see that there has been a fair bit of re-distribution of wealth going on. To paraphrase Philip Davies “Surely taxpayers not on expenses who cannot afford a second home should not be expected to pay for a second home for MPs on expenses.” RollandSmoke
  • Score: 4

4:23pm Tue 22 Apr 14

RollandSmoke says...

son123 wrote:
I dont think they'll ever eradicate prostitution in that area. Maybe eradication of the drugs in the area may move them somewhere else. Theres good charities aka teen challenge outside sunbridge road mission that try to help the girls in question. Many suffer from depression, no self esteem and worse they are made to with threats if they dont. Dammed if they do. But a dammed if they don't issue. Find the traffickers and the drug dealers.
You hit the nail on the head. For a lot of these girls their problems will have begun well before they met the dealer who tempted them with some temporary relief from their reality. It's a shame that care in the community is not getting the funding it requires so as vulnerable young girls who are suffering from mental health problems get to see a medical professional who can get them access to the medication they need to lift their mood rather than having to go to a dealer for some temporary relief from something which will ultimately destroy them. Unfortunately such services only get involved when things have reached crisis point which it seems prostituting yourself and drug addiction doesn't qualify as and by that point it's often much too late to fix the damage that has been done.
[quote][p][bold]son123[/bold] wrote: I dont think they'll ever eradicate prostitution in that area. Maybe eradication of the drugs in the area may move them somewhere else. Theres good charities aka teen challenge outside sunbridge road mission that try to help the girls in question. Many suffer from depression, no self esteem and worse they are made to with threats if they dont. Dammed if they do. But a dammed if they don't issue. Find the traffickers and the drug dealers.[/p][/quote]You hit the nail on the head. For a lot of these girls their problems will have begun well before they met the dealer who tempted them with some temporary relief from their reality. It's a shame that care in the community is not getting the funding it requires so as vulnerable young girls who are suffering from mental health problems get to see a medical professional who can get them access to the medication they need to lift their mood rather than having to go to a dealer for some temporary relief from something which will ultimately destroy them. Unfortunately such services only get involved when things have reached crisis point which it seems prostituting yourself and drug addiction doesn't qualify as and by that point it's often much too late to fix the damage that has been done. RollandSmoke
  • Score: 0

4:32pm Tue 22 Apr 14

The Hoffster says...

Vile Islamophobes out in full force I see.

You disgusting scum.
Vile Islamophobes out in full force I see. You disgusting scum. The Hoffster
  • Score: -27

4:35pm Tue 22 Apr 14

The Hoffster says...

gracie field wrote:
thingybob68 wrote:
Used condoms strewn outside a primary school and kids and parents having to walk past junki prostitutes on the way to school - and the Police only decided to act after the residents took a stand against this disgusting illegal criminality - what a pathetic Police force, unless they can dish out penalty points or fines they dont seem interested.

No community or parents would put up with this ouside a school, shame on the Police.

Not to mention the real danger of a child exposing themselves to aids. hiv or who knows what from used condoms and needles.
Another point id like to make about your comment thingy is that "having to walk past junki prostitutes on the way to school" whether she is in the sex trade or not and who may or may not be on drugs wont harm either the parents or the children and neither is it a criminal offence.

You people do need to get some anger management to stop you getting get so hysterical over pointless and imagined things. Have none of you heard the saying pick your arguments wisely? Next you will want to ban a certain type of peoples from walking down "your streets" or near "your schools" in case they aren't dressed correctly.

What if an innocent white girl was stood on a corner waiting for a friend would that be OK with you all or would you harass her too?

You people need to get a grip regarding the police too, they cant do anything unless a crime happens because they are in effect evidence gatherers after a crime and I don't think the CPS will make a case of a condom on the floor. Saying that breach of the peace would be a start if those men continue to harass anymore of those ladies.

Maybe you would prefer it if the police came out every time you found a condom on the floor and took DNA and photographs and put out a photo fit in the paper too all costing tax payers thousands?

Like I said hysterical. LOL

Really you are all getting excited over nothing. Concentrate on ridding your area of the drugs that ruin thousands of lives daily in this town before you start on the victims. Drugs are not harmless and prostitutes are all part of the fallout.

Don't moan about one problem and turn a blind eye to the bigger issue which causes it. Like i said earlier bloody hypocrites.
You sound like a typical BNP/EDL scum of a supporter. All the problems are caused by the 'Moooozlims'... {rolleyes}

Thankfully ignoramuses like you are in the minority (and no-one takes a blind bit of notice re. the hatred and bile you spew).
[quote][p][bold]gracie field[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]thingybob68[/bold] wrote: Used condoms strewn outside a primary school and kids and parents having to walk past junki prostitutes on the way to school - and the Police only decided to act after the residents took a stand against this disgusting illegal criminality - what a pathetic Police force, unless they can dish out penalty points or fines they dont seem interested. No community or parents would put up with this ouside a school, shame on the Police. Not to mention the real danger of a child exposing themselves to aids. hiv or who knows what from used condoms and needles.[/p][/quote]Another point id like to make about your comment thingy is that "having to walk past junki prostitutes on the way to school" whether she is in the sex trade or not and who may or may not be on drugs wont harm either the parents or the children and neither is it a criminal offence. You people do need to get some anger management to stop you getting get so hysterical over pointless and imagined things. Have none of you heard the saying pick your arguments wisely? Next you will want to ban a certain type of peoples from walking down "your streets" or near "your schools" in case they aren't dressed correctly. What if an innocent white girl was stood on a corner waiting for a friend would that be OK with you all or would you harass her too? You people need to get a grip regarding the police too, they cant do anything unless a crime happens because they are in effect evidence gatherers after a crime and I don't think the CPS will make a case of a condom on the floor. Saying that breach of the peace would be a start if those men continue to harass anymore of those ladies. Maybe you would prefer it if the police came out every time you found a condom on the floor and took DNA and photographs and put out a photo fit in the paper too all costing tax payers thousands? Like I said hysterical. LOL Really you are all getting excited over nothing. Concentrate on ridding your area of the drugs that ruin thousands of lives daily in this town before you start on the victims. Drugs are not harmless and prostitutes are all part of the fallout. Don't moan about one problem and turn a blind eye to the bigger issue which causes it. Like i said earlier bloody hypocrites.[/p][/quote]You sound like a typical BNP/EDL scum of a supporter. All the problems are caused by the 'Moooozlims'... {rolleyes} Thankfully ignoramuses like you are in the minority (and no-one takes a blind bit of notice re. the hatred and bile you spew). The Hoffster
  • Score: -35

4:41pm Tue 22 Apr 14

RollandSmoke says...

The Hoffster wrote:
Vile Islamophobes out in full force I see.

You disgusting scum.
I hope you don't include me in that comment?. I find the Islamic culture fascinating, I certainly have no fear of it. It does concern me when rational argument is replaced by rigid dogma but i tend to put it down to the individual that I'm dealing with being a fool rather than seeing it as reflection of any given group. Sorry if I haven't adequately addressed your point but as usual you failed to make one. No one has to like anyone else but some make it easier than others not to. You're an individual, get used to the idea.
[quote][p][bold]The Hoffster[/bold] wrote: Vile Islamophobes out in full force I see. You disgusting scum.[/p][/quote]I hope you don't include me in that comment?. I find the Islamic culture fascinating, I certainly have no fear of it. It does concern me when rational argument is replaced by rigid dogma but i tend to put it down to the individual that I'm dealing with being a fool rather than seeing it as reflection of any given group. Sorry if I haven't adequately addressed your point but as usual you failed to make one. No one has to like anyone else but some make it easier than others not to. You're an individual, get used to the idea. RollandSmoke
  • Score: 12

4:46pm Tue 22 Apr 14

The Hoffster says...

RollandSmoke wrote:
The Hoffster wrote:
Vile Islamophobes out in full force I see.

You disgusting scum.
I hope you don't include me in that comment?. I find the Islamic culture fascinating, I certainly have no fear of it. It does concern me when rational argument is replaced by rigid dogma but i tend to put it down to the individual that I'm dealing with being a fool rather than seeing it as reflection of any given group. Sorry if I haven't adequately addressed your point but as usual you failed to make one. No one has to like anyone else but some make it easier than others not to. You're an individual, get used to the idea.
Roly, you're not included, buddy.

You make some good and valid points.
[quote][p][bold]RollandSmoke[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]The Hoffster[/bold] wrote: Vile Islamophobes out in full force I see. You disgusting scum.[/p][/quote]I hope you don't include me in that comment?. I find the Islamic culture fascinating, I certainly have no fear of it. It does concern me when rational argument is replaced by rigid dogma but i tend to put it down to the individual that I'm dealing with being a fool rather than seeing it as reflection of any given group. Sorry if I haven't adequately addressed your point but as usual you failed to make one. No one has to like anyone else but some make it easier than others not to. You're an individual, get used to the idea.[/p][/quote]Roly, you're not included, buddy. You make some good and valid points. The Hoffster
  • Score: -6

4:53pm Tue 22 Apr 14

gracie field says...

justiceleager wrote:
There is a real risk of hiv transmission and other STD's from used condoms and needles especially when you factor in sex workers, not even the council under elf and safety would allow its staff to handle such items without proper training and equipment.

It beggars belief that the school, council and police would tolerate children being exposed to such an obvious hazard.

Would the T&A care to put such a question to the council?
Oh do get a bleeding grip. Another who needs baby sitting and has no education or simple common sense. If you don't touch or handle the items you can't catch anything from them. The needles cant jump up and bite you on your behind you know and the germs on the condoms can't run up your legs and infect your tickle tackle you know. They are both inanimate objects. You will only catch something if you get blood from the needle into an open wound of your own.

Stop being pathetic hysterical drama queens and stop acting so thick. Buy a long handled poop scooper then there is zero risk if you are so frightened for goodness sake its ten pound I am sure between you you can manage that. www.petsathome. com/webapp/wcs/store
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Its beggars belief that these lazy, ignorant and useless people have managed to keep their offspring alive long enough to go to school going by some of these comments.

Do you always need your bottoms wiping regarding child safety? I bet in Pakistan/Afghanistan they couldn't force the council, the teachers or police to come out and nanny your kids for you and clean the area you live in etc. Who picks up the dangerous stuff over there?

Do you need instructions in everything? Where is your common sense? If you cant deal with the odd needle or condom then maybe social services need to brought in to to give you parenting courses.

Can you imagine a big hard 40 year old tough guy getting out of his 4 wheel drive with little nazeem then whilst walking the kids into school he spots a used needle on the ground but he is too terrified to move it to protect his kids so calls in the police and headmistress? Get a bloody grip you soft lot.

Like has been said a million times already that badman gang of hard man vigilantes ought to focus on routing out all the disgusting gangster wannabe drug dealing scum hiding in and around Manningham if your that concerned about smack needles near your precious kids. No smack would after all mean no needles. But no they prefer to bother the little lasses instead.

What the hell is wrong with all you wussies?
[quote][p][bold]justiceleager[/bold] wrote: There is a real risk of hiv transmission and other STD's from used condoms and needles especially when you factor in sex workers, not even the council under elf and safety would allow its staff to handle such items without proper training and equipment. It beggars belief that the school, council and police would tolerate children being exposed to such an obvious hazard. Would the T&A care to put such a question to the council?[/p][/quote]Oh do get a bleeding grip. Another who needs baby sitting and has no education or simple common sense. If you don't touch or handle the items you can't catch anything from them. The needles cant jump up and bite you on your behind you know and the germs on the condoms can't run up your legs and infect your tickle tackle you know. They are both inanimate objects. You will only catch something if you get blood from the needle into an open wound of your own. Stop being pathetic hysterical drama queens and stop acting so thick. Buy a long handled poop scooper then there is zero risk if you are so frightened for goodness sake its ten pound I am sure between you you can manage that. www.petsathome. com/webapp/wcs/store s/servlet/en/pets/lo ng-handle-poop-scoop er?gclid=CMS9-IWz9L0 CFWzHtAod2TkA-Q Its beggars belief that these lazy, ignorant and useless people have managed to keep their offspring alive long enough to go to school going by some of these comments. Do you always need your bottoms wiping regarding child safety? I bet in Pakistan/Afghanistan they couldn't force the council, the teachers or police to come out and nanny your kids for you and clean the area you live in etc. Who picks up the dangerous stuff over there? Do you need instructions in everything? Where is your common sense? If you cant deal with the odd needle or condom then maybe social services need to brought in to to give you parenting courses. Can you imagine a big hard 40 year old tough guy getting out of his 4 wheel drive with little nazeem then whilst walking the kids into school he spots a used needle on the ground but he is too terrified to move it to protect his kids so calls in the police and headmistress? Get a bloody grip you soft lot. Like has been said a million times already that badman gang of hard man vigilantes ought to focus on routing out all the disgusting gangster wannabe drug dealing scum hiding in and around Manningham if your that concerned about smack needles near your precious kids. No smack would after all mean no needles. But no they prefer to bother the little lasses instead. What the hell is wrong with all you wussies? gracie field
  • Score: 19

5:12pm Tue 22 Apr 14

The Hoffster says...

gracie field wrote:
justiceleager wrote:
There is a real risk of hiv transmission and other STD's from used condoms and needles especially when you factor in sex workers, not even the council under elf and safety would allow its staff to handle such items without proper training and equipment.

It beggars belief that the school, council and police would tolerate children being exposed to such an obvious hazard.

Would the T&A care to put such a question to the council?
Oh do get a bleeding grip. Another who needs baby sitting and has no education or simple common sense. If you don't touch or handle the items you can't catch anything from them. The needles cant jump up and bite you on your behind you know and the germs on the condoms can't run up your legs and infect your tickle tackle you know. They are both inanimate objects. You will only catch something if you get blood from the needle into an open wound of your own.

Stop being pathetic hysterical drama queens and stop acting so thick. Buy a long handled poop scooper then there is zero risk if you are so frightened for goodness sake its ten pound I am sure between you you can manage that. www.petsathome. com/webapp/wcs/store

s/servlet/en/pets/lo

ng-handle-poop-scoop

er?gclid=CMS9-IWz9L0

CFWzHtAod2TkA-Q

Its beggars belief that these lazy, ignorant and useless people have managed to keep their offspring alive long enough to go to school going by some of these comments.

Do you always need your bottoms wiping regarding child safety? I bet in Pakistan/Afghanistan they couldn't force the council, the teachers or police to come out and nanny your kids for you and clean the area you live in etc. Who picks up the dangerous stuff over there?

Do you need instructions in everything? Where is your common sense? If you cant deal with the odd needle or condom then maybe social services need to brought in to to give you parenting courses.

Can you imagine a big hard 40 year old tough guy getting out of his 4 wheel drive with little nazeem then whilst walking the kids into school he spots a used needle on the ground but he is too terrified to move it to protect his kids so calls in the police and headmistress? Get a bloody grip you soft lot.

Like has been said a million times already that badman gang of hard man vigilantes ought to focus on routing out all the disgusting gangster wannabe drug dealing scum hiding in and around Manningham if your that concerned about smack needles near your precious kids. No smack would after all mean no needles. But no they prefer to bother the little lasses instead.

What the hell is wrong with all you wussies?
You sound like a certain schizo... (from that 'other' place).....
[quote][p][bold]gracie field[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]justiceleager[/bold] wrote: There is a real risk of hiv transmission and other STD's from used condoms and needles especially when you factor in sex workers, not even the council under elf and safety would allow its staff to handle such items without proper training and equipment. It beggars belief that the school, council and police would tolerate children being exposed to such an obvious hazard. Would the T&A care to put such a question to the council?[/p][/quote]Oh do get a bleeding grip. Another who needs baby sitting and has no education or simple common sense. If you don't touch or handle the items you can't catch anything from them. The needles cant jump up and bite you on your behind you know and the germs on the condoms can't run up your legs and infect your tickle tackle you know. They are both inanimate objects. You will only catch something if you get blood from the needle into an open wound of your own. Stop being pathetic hysterical drama queens and stop acting so thick. Buy a long handled poop scooper then there is zero risk if you are so frightened for goodness sake its ten pound I am sure between you you can manage that. www.petsathome. com/webapp/wcs/store s/servlet/en/pets/lo ng-handle-poop-scoop er?gclid=CMS9-IWz9L0 CFWzHtAod2TkA-Q Its beggars belief that these lazy, ignorant and useless people have managed to keep their offspring alive long enough to go to school going by some of these comments. Do you always need your bottoms wiping regarding child safety? I bet in Pakistan/Afghanistan they couldn't force the council, the teachers or police to come out and nanny your kids for you and clean the area you live in etc. Who picks up the dangerous stuff over there? Do you need instructions in everything? Where is your common sense? If you cant deal with the odd needle or condom then maybe social services need to brought in to to give you parenting courses. Can you imagine a big hard 40 year old tough guy getting out of his 4 wheel drive with little nazeem then whilst walking the kids into school he spots a used needle on the ground but he is too terrified to move it to protect his kids so calls in the police and headmistress? Get a bloody grip you soft lot. Like has been said a million times already that badman gang of hard man vigilantes ought to focus on routing out all the disgusting gangster wannabe drug dealing scum hiding in and around Manningham if your that concerned about smack needles near your precious kids. No smack would after all mean no needles. But no they prefer to bother the little lasses instead. What the hell is wrong with all you wussies?[/p][/quote]You sound like a certain schizo... (from that 'other' place)..... The Hoffster
  • Score: -11

5:24pm Tue 22 Apr 14

mad matt says...

One time when they cleared the prostitutes off Lumb Lane, they all started working in Church Street. The traffic circulating late at night was unbelievable I counted 115 vehicles cruising up and down the street in the space of 20 minutes. The police weren't even interested - no response from them whatsoever, so it was down to the local people to sort it out themselves.
When the local residents actually blocked the street to stop all the kerb-crawlers the police did show up - - and then threatened to charge the residents with obstructing the highway!
One time when they cleared the prostitutes off Lumb Lane, they all started working in Church Street. The traffic circulating late at night was unbelievable I counted 115 vehicles cruising up and down the street in the space of 20 minutes. The police weren't even interested - no response from them whatsoever, so it was down to the local people to sort it out themselves. When the local residents actually blocked the street to stop all the kerb-crawlers the police did show up - - and then threatened to charge the residents with obstructing the highway! mad matt
  • Score: 3

5:29pm Tue 22 Apr 14

gracie field says...

The Hoffster wrote:
gracie field wrote:
thingybob68 wrote:
Used condoms strewn outside a primary school and kids and parents having to walk past junki prostitutes on the way to school - and the Police only decided to act after the residents took a stand against this disgusting illegal criminality - what a pathetic Police force, unless they can dish out penalty points or fines they dont seem interested.

No community or parents would put up with this ouside a school, shame on the Police.

Not to mention the real danger of a child exposing themselves to aids. hiv or who knows what from used condoms and needles.
Another point id like to make about your comment thingy is that "having to walk past junki prostitutes on the way to school" whether she is in the sex trade or not and who may or may not be on drugs wont harm either the parents or the children and neither is it a criminal offence.

You people do need to get some anger management to stop you getting get so hysterical over pointless and imagined things. Have none of you heard the saying pick your arguments wisely? Next you will want to ban a certain type of peoples from walking down "your streets" or near "your schools" in case they aren't dressed correctly.

What if an innocent white girl was stood on a corner waiting for a friend would that be OK with you all or would you harass her too?

You people need to get a grip regarding the police too, they cant do anything unless a crime happens because they are in effect evidence gatherers after a crime and I don't think the CPS will make a case of a condom on the floor. Saying that breach of the peace would be a start if those men continue to harass anymore of those ladies.

Maybe you would prefer it if the police came out every time you found a condom on the floor and took DNA and photographs and put out a photo fit in the paper too all costing tax payers thousands?

Like I said hysterical. LOL

Really you are all getting excited over nothing. Concentrate on ridding your area of the drugs that ruin thousands of lives daily in this town before you start on the victims. Drugs are not harmless and prostitutes are all part of the fallout.

Don't moan about one problem and turn a blind eye to the bigger issue which causes it. Like i said earlier bloody hypocrites.
You sound like a typical BNP/EDL scum of a supporter. All the problems are caused by the 'Moooozlims'... {rolleyes}

Thankfully ignoramuses like you are in the minority (and no-one takes a blind bit of notice re. the hatred and bile you spew).
How are any of the people who have commented vile BNP/EDL scum exactly cade? We are discussing gangs of vigilante men in Manningham Bradford who have been harassing sex workers in Lumb lane. We dont care about the colour of the skin of anyone involved neither do we care about their religion. No one is blaming mooslims they are blaming drug dealers and illegal vigilantes. If the cap fits then who are we to deny the truth? Stop being paranoid. Grow up you silly little boy because its time after so long on here that you managed a sentence without any of the above words mentioning in it.
Our arguments are about the need or legality of vigilantes trawling our streets and also they are regarding needles left by drug users and condoms by sex workers. And lastly the wussies too lazy and soft to go out and clean it up themselves.

Do you deny that area is teaming with drug dealers? many openly stand around and slip down dark alleys quite blatantly don't they? Do you deny gangs of men were formed in order to intimidate the young female sex workers into leaving the area even though no one has anymore right to be there than the next person? Do you deny these parents are wet lettuces who are too lazy/uncaring to get up a few minutes earlier in order to clean away dirty condoms and needles in order to protect their own innocent children?

Roly is correct in that drugs need legalising and then the sex workers working for drugs would disappear overnight. There has to be a better way are taking drugs out of these scums hands is the only and right thing to do. Legalise drugs and make the dealers worthless.
[quote][p][bold]The Hoffster[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]gracie field[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]thingybob68[/bold] wrote: Used condoms strewn outside a primary school and kids and parents having to walk past junki prostitutes on the way to school - and the Police only decided to act after the residents took a stand against this disgusting illegal criminality - what a pathetic Police force, unless they can dish out penalty points or fines they dont seem interested. No community or parents would put up with this ouside a school, shame on the Police. Not to mention the real danger of a child exposing themselves to aids. hiv or who knows what from used condoms and needles.[/p][/quote]Another point id like to make about your comment thingy is that "having to walk past junki prostitutes on the way to school" whether she is in the sex trade or not and who may or may not be on drugs wont harm either the parents or the children and neither is it a criminal offence. You people do need to get some anger management to stop you getting get so hysterical over pointless and imagined things. Have none of you heard the saying pick your arguments wisely? Next you will want to ban a certain type of peoples from walking down "your streets" or near "your schools" in case they aren't dressed correctly. What if an innocent white girl was stood on a corner waiting for a friend would that be OK with you all or would you harass her too? You people need to get a grip regarding the police too, they cant do anything unless a crime happens because they are in effect evidence gatherers after a crime and I don't think the CPS will make a case of a condom on the floor. Saying that breach of the peace would be a start if those men continue to harass anymore of those ladies. Maybe you would prefer it if the police came out every time you found a condom on the floor and took DNA and photographs and put out a photo fit in the paper too all costing tax payers thousands? Like I said hysterical. LOL Really you are all getting excited over nothing. Concentrate on ridding your area of the drugs that ruin thousands of lives daily in this town before you start on the victims. Drugs are not harmless and prostitutes are all part of the fallout. Don't moan about one problem and turn a blind eye to the bigger issue which causes it. Like i said earlier bloody hypocrites.[/p][/quote]You sound like a typical BNP/EDL scum of a supporter. All the problems are caused by the 'Moooozlims'... {rolleyes} Thankfully ignoramuses like you are in the minority (and no-one takes a blind bit of notice re. the hatred and bile you spew).[/p][/quote]How are any of the people who have commented vile BNP/EDL scum exactly cade? We are discussing gangs of vigilante men in Manningham Bradford who have been harassing sex workers in Lumb lane. We dont care about the colour of the skin of anyone involved neither do we care about their religion. No one is blaming mooslims they are blaming drug dealers and illegal vigilantes. If the cap fits then who are we to deny the truth? Stop being paranoid. Grow up you silly little boy because its time after so long on here that you managed a sentence without any of the above words mentioning in it. Our arguments are about the need or legality of vigilantes trawling our streets and also they are regarding needles left by drug users and condoms by sex workers. And lastly the wussies too lazy and soft to go out and clean it up themselves. Do you deny that area is teaming with drug dealers? many openly stand around and slip down dark alleys quite blatantly don't they? Do you deny gangs of men were formed in order to intimidate the young female sex workers into leaving the area even though no one has anymore right to be there than the next person? Do you deny these parents are wet lettuces who are too lazy/uncaring to get up a few minutes earlier in order to clean away dirty condoms and needles in order to protect their own innocent children? Roly is correct in that drugs need legalising and then the sex workers working for drugs would disappear overnight. There has to be a better way are taking drugs out of these scums hands is the only and right thing to do. Legalise drugs and make the dealers worthless. gracie field
  • Score: 12

5:40pm Tue 22 Apr 14

The Hoffster says...

gracie field wrote:
The Hoffster wrote:
gracie field wrote:
thingybob68 wrote:
Used condoms strewn outside a primary school and kids and parents having to walk past junki prostitutes on the way to school - and the Police only decided to act after the residents took a stand against this disgusting illegal criminality - what a pathetic Police force, unless they can dish out penalty points or fines they dont seem interested.

No community or parents would put up with this ouside a school, shame on the Police.

Not to mention the real danger of a child exposing themselves to aids. hiv or who knows what from used condoms and needles.
Another point id like to make about your comment thingy is that "having to walk past junki prostitutes on the way to school" whether she is in the sex trade or not and who may or may not be on drugs wont harm either the parents or the children and neither is it a criminal offence.

You people do need to get some anger management to stop you getting get so hysterical over pointless and imagined things. Have none of you heard the saying pick your arguments wisely? Next you will want to ban a certain type of peoples from walking down "your streets" or near "your schools" in case they aren't dressed correctly.

What if an innocent white girl was stood on a corner waiting for a friend would that be OK with you all or would you harass her too?

You people need to get a grip regarding the police too, they cant do anything unless a crime happens because they are in effect evidence gatherers after a crime and I don't think the CPS will make a case of a condom on the floor. Saying that breach of the peace would be a start if those men continue to harass anymore of those ladies.

Maybe you would prefer it if the police came out every time you found a condom on the floor and took DNA and photographs and put out a photo fit in the paper too all costing tax payers thousands?

Like I said hysterical. LOL

Really you are all getting excited over nothing. Concentrate on ridding your area of the drugs that ruin thousands of lives daily in this town before you start on the victims. Drugs are not harmless and prostitutes are all part of the fallout.

Don't moan about one problem and turn a blind eye to the bigger issue which causes it. Like i said earlier bloody hypocrites.
You sound like a typical BNP/EDL scum of a supporter. All the problems are caused by the 'Moooozlims'... {rolleyes}

Thankfully ignoramuses like you are in the minority (and no-one takes a blind bit of notice re. the hatred and bile you spew).
How are any of the people who have commented vile BNP/EDL scum exactly cade? We are discussing gangs of vigilante men in Manningham Bradford who have been harassing sex workers in Lumb lane. We dont care about the colour of the skin of anyone involved neither do we care about their religion. No one is blaming mooslims they are blaming drug dealers and illegal vigilantes. If the cap fits then who are we to deny the truth? Stop being paranoid. Grow up you silly little boy because its time after so long on here that you managed a sentence without any of the above words mentioning in it.
Our arguments are about the need or legality of vigilantes trawling our streets and also they are regarding needles left by drug users and condoms by sex workers. And lastly the wussies too lazy and soft to go out and clean it up themselves.

Do you deny that area is teaming with drug dealers? many openly stand around and slip down dark alleys quite blatantly don't they? Do you deny gangs of men were formed in order to intimidate the young female sex workers into leaving the area even though no one has anymore right to be there than the next person? Do you deny these parents are wet lettuces who are too lazy/uncaring to get up a few minutes earlier in order to clean away dirty condoms and needles in order to protect their own innocent children?

Roly is correct in that drugs need legalising and then the sex workers working for drugs would disappear overnight. There has to be a better way are taking drugs out of these scums hands is the only and right thing to do. Legalise drugs and make the dealers worthless.
A simple question for you :

Would you like *YOUR* children walking through disused condoms and needles whilst on their way to school?
[quote][p][bold]gracie field[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]The Hoffster[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]gracie field[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]thingybob68[/bold] wrote: Used condoms strewn outside a primary school and kids and parents having to walk past junki prostitutes on the way to school - and the Police only decided to act after the residents took a stand against this disgusting illegal criminality - what a pathetic Police force, unless they can dish out penalty points or fines they dont seem interested. No community or parents would put up with this ouside a school, shame on the Police. Not to mention the real danger of a child exposing themselves to aids. hiv or who knows what from used condoms and needles.[/p][/quote]Another point id like to make about your comment thingy is that "having to walk past junki prostitutes on the way to school" whether she is in the sex trade or not and who may or may not be on drugs wont harm either the parents or the children and neither is it a criminal offence. You people do need to get some anger management to stop you getting get so hysterical over pointless and imagined things. Have none of you heard the saying pick your arguments wisely? Next you will want to ban a certain type of peoples from walking down "your streets" or near "your schools" in case they aren't dressed correctly. What if an innocent white girl was stood on a corner waiting for a friend would that be OK with you all or would you harass her too? You people need to get a grip regarding the police too, they cant do anything unless a crime happens because they are in effect evidence gatherers after a crime and I don't think the CPS will make a case of a condom on the floor. Saying that breach of the peace would be a start if those men continue to harass anymore of those ladies. Maybe you would prefer it if the police came out every time you found a condom on the floor and took DNA and photographs and put out a photo fit in the paper too all costing tax payers thousands? Like I said hysterical. LOL Really you are all getting excited over nothing. Concentrate on ridding your area of the drugs that ruin thousands of lives daily in this town before you start on the victims. Drugs are not harmless and prostitutes are all part of the fallout. Don't moan about one problem and turn a blind eye to the bigger issue which causes it. Like i said earlier bloody hypocrites.[/p][/quote]You sound like a typical BNP/EDL scum of a supporter. All the problems are caused by the 'Moooozlims'... {rolleyes} Thankfully ignoramuses like you are in the minority (and no-one takes a blind bit of notice re. the hatred and bile you spew).[/p][/quote]How are any of the people who have commented vile BNP/EDL scum exactly cade? We are discussing gangs of vigilante men in Manningham Bradford who have been harassing sex workers in Lumb lane. We dont care about the colour of the skin of anyone involved neither do we care about their religion. No one is blaming mooslims they are blaming drug dealers and illegal vigilantes. If the cap fits then who are we to deny the truth? Stop being paranoid. Grow up you silly little boy because its time after so long on here that you managed a sentence without any of the above words mentioning in it. Our arguments are about the need or legality of vigilantes trawling our streets and also they are regarding needles left by drug users and condoms by sex workers. And lastly the wussies too lazy and soft to go out and clean it up themselves. Do you deny that area is teaming with drug dealers? many openly stand around and slip down dark alleys quite blatantly don't they? Do you deny gangs of men were formed in order to intimidate the young female sex workers into leaving the area even though no one has anymore right to be there than the next person? Do you deny these parents are wet lettuces who are too lazy/uncaring to get up a few minutes earlier in order to clean away dirty condoms and needles in order to protect their own innocent children? Roly is correct in that drugs need legalising and then the sex workers working for drugs would disappear overnight. There has to be a better way are taking drugs out of these scums hands is the only and right thing to do. Legalise drugs and make the dealers worthless.[/p][/quote]A simple question for you : Would you like *YOUR* children walking through disused condoms and needles whilst on their way to school? The Hoffster
  • Score: -11

5:46pm Tue 22 Apr 14

RollandSmoke says...

Here's a suggestion why not spray them bright orange like they do with dog sh!t? I'm not sure what good it would do but at least it's colourful. I meant the condoms and needles by the way, not the dealers, but then again why not?
Here's a suggestion why not spray them bright orange like they do with dog sh!t? I'm not sure what good it would do but at least it's colourful. I meant the condoms and needles by the way, not the dealers, but then again why not? RollandSmoke
  • Score: 5

5:56pm Tue 22 Apr 14

The Hoffster says...

RollandSmoke wrote:
Here's a suggestion why not spray them bright orange like they do with dog sh!t? I'm not sure what good it would do but at least it's colourful. I meant the condoms and needles by the way, not the dealers, but then again why not?
The only reason the schizo (aka 'gracie field') is commenting on this story is because Asians are involved; or specifically Muslims.

On the now-defunct T&A forum, she was extremely hateful towards that community. She'd never said a bad word about *non*-Muslim criminals; it was always 'the Moozlims' behind everything.

She also never hid her pro-BNP/EDL views either.

Vile scum.
[quote][p][bold]RollandSmoke[/bold] wrote: Here's a suggestion why not spray them bright orange like they do with dog sh!t? I'm not sure what good it would do but at least it's colourful. I meant the condoms and needles by the way, not the dealers, but then again why not?[/p][/quote]The only reason the schizo (aka 'gracie field') is commenting on this story is because Asians are involved; or specifically Muslims. On the now-defunct T&A forum, she was extremely hateful towards that community. She'd never said a bad word about *non*-Muslim criminals; it was always 'the Moozlims' behind everything. She also never hid her pro-BNP/EDL views either. Vile scum. The Hoffster
  • Score: -23

6:00pm Tue 22 Apr 14

gracie field says...

The Hoffster wrote:
gracie field wrote:
The Hoffster wrote:
gracie field wrote:
thingybob68 wrote:
Used condoms strewn outside a primary school and kids and parents having to walk past junki prostitutes on the way to school - and the Police only decided to act after the residents took a stand against this disgusting illegal criminality - what a pathetic Police force, unless they can dish out penalty points or fines they dont seem interested.

No community or parents would put up with this ouside a school, shame on the Police.

Not to mention the real danger of a child exposing themselves to aids. hiv or who knows what from used condoms and needles.
Another point id like to make about your comment thingy is that "having to walk past junki prostitutes on the way to school" whether she is in the sex trade or not and who may or may not be on drugs wont harm either the parents or the children and neither is it a criminal offence.

You people do need to get some anger management to stop you getting get so hysterical over pointless and imagined things. Have none of you heard the saying pick your arguments wisely? Next you will want to ban a certain type of peoples from walking down "your streets" or near "your schools" in case they aren't dressed correctly.

What if an innocent white girl was stood on a corner waiting for a friend would that be OK with you all or would you harass her too?

You people need to get a grip regarding the police too, they cant do anything unless a crime happens because they are in effect evidence gatherers after a crime and I don't think the CPS will make a case of a condom on the floor. Saying that breach of the peace would be a start if those men continue to harass anymore of those ladies.

Maybe you would prefer it if the police came out every time you found a condom on the floor and took DNA and photographs and put out a photo fit in the paper too all costing tax payers thousands?

Like I said hysterical. LOL

Really you are all getting excited over nothing. Concentrate on ridding your area of the drugs that ruin thousands of lives daily in this town before you start on the victims. Drugs are not harmless and prostitutes are all part of the fallout.

Don't moan about one problem and turn a blind eye to the bigger issue which causes it. Like i said earlier bloody hypocrites.
You sound like a typical BNP/EDL scum of a supporter. All the problems are caused by the 'Moooozlims'... {rolleyes}

Thankfully ignoramuses like you are in the minority (and no-one takes a blind bit of notice re. the hatred and bile you spew).
How are any of the people who have commented vile BNP/EDL scum exactly cade? We are discussing gangs of vigilante men in Manningham Bradford who have been harassing sex workers in Lumb lane. We dont care about the colour of the skin of anyone involved neither do we care about their religion. No one is blaming mooslims they are blaming drug dealers and illegal vigilantes. If the cap fits then who are we to deny the truth? Stop being paranoid. Grow up you silly little boy because its time after so long on here that you managed a sentence without any of the above words mentioning in it.
Our arguments are about the need or legality of vigilantes trawling our streets and also they are regarding needles left by drug users and condoms by sex workers. And lastly the wussies too lazy and soft to go out and clean it up themselves.

Do you deny that area is teaming with drug dealers? many openly stand around and slip down dark alleys quite blatantly don't they? Do you deny gangs of men were formed in order to intimidate the young female sex workers into leaving the area even though no one has anymore right to be there than the next person? Do you deny these parents are wet lettuces who are too lazy/uncaring to get up a few minutes earlier in order to clean away dirty condoms and needles in order to protect their own innocent children?

Roly is correct in that drugs need legalising and then the sex workers working for drugs would disappear overnight. There has to be a better way are taking drugs out of these scums hands is the only and right thing to do. Legalise drugs and make the dealers worthless.
A simple question for you :

Would you like *YOUR* children walking through disused condoms and needles whilst on their way to school?
No. I would never have allowed my children to walk through them cade i wouldn't have put them at risk. I would have cleaned them away and called the people who come and legally dispose of them to pick them up. In fact that is what i did when i lived in Bankfoot 15 years ago. A smack head constantly went in the garages on the end of our street. We didn't get gangs of vigilantes together to terrorise the drug users. In fact we actually asked the most regular smack head who was leaving them if he would put them in an old biscuit tin we gave him and guess what -he did. then we called the number and they came out and collected them. The difference is we took responsibility for our own children's safety without bullying or ostracising anyone. We used the services in place and didnt expect any special treatment.
[quote][p][bold]The Hoffster[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]gracie field[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]The Hoffster[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]gracie field[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]thingybob68[/bold] wrote: Used condoms strewn outside a primary school and kids and parents having to walk past junki prostitutes on the way to school - and the Police only decided to act after the residents took a stand against this disgusting illegal criminality - what a pathetic Police force, unless they can dish out penalty points or fines they dont seem interested. No community or parents would put up with this ouside a school, shame on the Police. Not to mention the real danger of a child exposing themselves to aids. hiv or who knows what from used condoms and needles.[/p][/quote]Another point id like to make about your comment thingy is that "having to walk past junki prostitutes on the way to school" whether she is in the sex trade or not and who may or may not be on drugs wont harm either the parents or the children and neither is it a criminal offence. You people do need to get some anger management to stop you getting get so hysterical over pointless and imagined things. Have none of you heard the saying pick your arguments wisely? Next you will want to ban a certain type of peoples from walking down "your streets" or near "your schools" in case they aren't dressed correctly. What if an innocent white girl was stood on a corner waiting for a friend would that be OK with you all or would you harass her too? You people need to get a grip regarding the police too, they cant do anything unless a crime happens because they are in effect evidence gatherers after a crime and I don't think the CPS will make a case of a condom on the floor. Saying that breach of the peace would be a start if those men continue to harass anymore of those ladies. Maybe you would prefer it if the police came out every time you found a condom on the floor and took DNA and photographs and put out a photo fit in the paper too all costing tax payers thousands? Like I said hysterical. LOL Really you are all getting excited over nothing. Concentrate on ridding your area of the drugs that ruin thousands of lives daily in this town before you start on the victims. Drugs are not harmless and prostitutes are all part of the fallout. Don't moan about one problem and turn a blind eye to the bigger issue which causes it. Like i said earlier bloody hypocrites.[/p][/quote]You sound like a typical BNP/EDL scum of a supporter. All the problems are caused by the 'Moooozlims'... {rolleyes} Thankfully ignoramuses like you are in the minority (and no-one takes a blind bit of notice re. the hatred and bile you spew).[/p][/quote]How are any of the people who have commented vile BNP/EDL scum exactly cade? We are discussing gangs of vigilante men in Manningham Bradford who have been harassing sex workers in Lumb lane. We dont care about the colour of the skin of anyone involved neither do we care about their religion. No one is blaming mooslims they are blaming drug dealers and illegal vigilantes. If the cap fits then who are we to deny the truth? Stop being paranoid. Grow up you silly little boy because its time after so long on here that you managed a sentence without any of the above words mentioning in it. Our arguments are about the need or legality of vigilantes trawling our streets and also they are regarding needles left by drug users and condoms by sex workers. And lastly the wussies too lazy and soft to go out and clean it up themselves. Do you deny that area is teaming with drug dealers? many openly stand around and slip down dark alleys quite blatantly don't they? Do you deny gangs of men were formed in order to intimidate the young female sex workers into leaving the area even though no one has anymore right to be there than the next person? Do you deny these parents are wet lettuces who are too lazy/uncaring to get up a few minutes earlier in order to clean away dirty condoms and needles in order to protect their own innocent children? Roly is correct in that drugs need legalising and then the sex workers working for drugs would disappear overnight. There has to be a better way are taking drugs out of these scums hands is the only and right thing to do. Legalise drugs and make the dealers worthless.[/p][/quote]A simple question for you : Would you like *YOUR* children walking through disused condoms and needles whilst on their way to school?[/p][/quote]No. I would never have allowed my children to walk through them cade i wouldn't have put them at risk. I would have cleaned them away and called the people who come and legally dispose of them to pick them up. In fact that is what i did when i lived in Bankfoot 15 years ago. A smack head constantly went in the garages on the end of our street. We didn't get gangs of vigilantes together to terrorise the drug users. In fact we actually asked the most regular smack head who was leaving them if he would put them in an old biscuit tin we gave him and guess what -he did. then we called the number and they came out and collected them. The difference is we took responsibility for our own children's safety without bullying or ostracising anyone. We used the services in place and didnt expect any special treatment. gracie field
  • Score: 13

6:03pm Tue 22 Apr 14

RollandSmoke says...

The Hoffster wrote:
RollandSmoke wrote:
Here's a suggestion why not spray them bright orange like they do with dog sh!t? I'm not sure what good it would do but at least it's colourful. I meant the condoms and needles by the way, not the dealers, but then again why not?
The only reason the schizo (aka 'gracie field') is commenting on this story is because Asians are involved; or specifically Muslims.

On the now-defunct T&A forum, she was extremely hateful towards that community. She'd never said a bad word about *non*-Muslim criminals; it was always 'the Moozlims' behind everything.

She also never hid her pro-BNP/EDL views either.

Vile scum.
If you only knew how strange the reality really was, presuming you're correct of course, which I can understand your reasoning for thinking you are. I doubt the person to whom you refer could ever bring themselves to admitting I was right about anything though.
[quote][p][bold]The Hoffster[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]RollandSmoke[/bold] wrote: Here's a suggestion why not spray them bright orange like they do with dog sh!t? I'm not sure what good it would do but at least it's colourful. I meant the condoms and needles by the way, not the dealers, but then again why not?[/p][/quote]The only reason the schizo (aka 'gracie field') is commenting on this story is because Asians are involved; or specifically Muslims. On the now-defunct T&A forum, she was extremely hateful towards that community. She'd never said a bad word about *non*-Muslim criminals; it was always 'the Moozlims' behind everything. She also never hid her pro-BNP/EDL views either. Vile scum.[/p][/quote]If you only knew how strange the reality really was, presuming you're correct of course, which I can understand your reasoning for thinking you are. I doubt the person to whom you refer could ever bring themselves to admitting I was right about anything though. RollandSmoke
  • Score: -1

6:24pm Tue 22 Apr 14

gracie field says...

The Hoffster wrote:
RollandSmoke wrote:
Here's a suggestion why not spray them bright orange like they do with dog sh!t? I'm not sure what good it would do but at least it's colourful. I meant the condoms and needles by the way, not the dealers, but then again why not?
The only reason the schizo (aka 'gracie field') is commenting on this story is because Asians are involved; or specifically Muslims.

On the now-defunct T&A forum, she was extremely hateful towards that community. She'd never said a bad word about *non*-Muslim criminals; it was always 'the Moozlims' behind everything.

She also never hid her pro-BNP/EDL views either.

Vile scum.
The bit of this story that interested me here wasn't the colour of anyone's skin cade or any religion either so stop showing what a lying bigot you actually are. It was the fact that a group of people thought they were above the law of the land and the fact the big hard nuts were targeting innocent vulnerable girls who were in fact also victims just like the kids going to school.

They were judge, jury and decided the sentences too. They decided these young girls would be banished to the gutters of city road and Thornton road like rats where no one can watch over them and keep them relatively safe.

Both children going to school and young sex workers are victims and the biggest problem here lies with the drug dealers and our countries drug laws.

But these hard men didnt have the bottle to tackle the evil dealers did they? They just ignored them out on the street on lumb lane and manningham as they drive around their/your streets in cars you know their joblessness meant they couldnt really afford but have you ever picked up a phone and rung crime stoppers? no?. Well I have and i shall every time i ever get to know anyone who is involved in the selling of drugs. I know what damage that poison can do to people and their whole families.

What have you ever done cade to stop it?

Dont pretend you can know me because you could never understand how i work but one thing is colour is irrelevant to me. It is behaviour and self responsibility that is important in life. I dont think that young girls involved in the sex trade should be run off the streets into places where there is no protection from dangerous people. That's how these poor victims end up dead and their kids left motherless.

That is what upsets me here children left behind when the ripper or the inadequate savage who killed them poor lasses with the crossbow. They died because of drugs. Prostitution should never be driven underground it puts them at risk.

You wouldnt understand how i feel because everything in your eyes is about skin colour because you are so insecure in your own no doubt.
[quote][p][bold]The Hoffster[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]RollandSmoke[/bold] wrote: Here's a suggestion why not spray them bright orange like they do with dog sh!t? I'm not sure what good it would do but at least it's colourful. I meant the condoms and needles by the way, not the dealers, but then again why not?[/p][/quote]The only reason the schizo (aka 'gracie field') is commenting on this story is because Asians are involved; or specifically Muslims. On the now-defunct T&A forum, she was extremely hateful towards that community. She'd never said a bad word about *non*-Muslim criminals; it was always 'the Moozlims' behind everything. She also never hid her pro-BNP/EDL views either. Vile scum.[/p][/quote]The bit of this story that interested me here wasn't the colour of anyone's skin cade or any religion either so stop showing what a lying bigot you actually are. It was the fact that a group of people thought they were above the law of the land and the fact the big hard nuts were targeting innocent vulnerable girls who were in fact also victims just like the kids going to school. They were judge, jury and decided the sentences too. They decided these young girls would be banished to the gutters of city road and Thornton road like rats where no one can watch over them and keep them relatively safe. Both children going to school and young sex workers are victims and the biggest problem here lies with the drug dealers and our countries drug laws. But these hard men didnt have the bottle to tackle the evil dealers did they? They just ignored them out on the street on lumb lane and manningham as they drive around their/your streets in cars you know their joblessness meant they couldnt really afford but have you ever picked up a phone and rung crime stoppers? no?. Well I have and i shall every time i ever get to know anyone who is involved in the selling of drugs. I know what damage that poison can do to people and their whole families. What have you ever done cade to stop it? Dont pretend you can know me because you could never understand how i work but one thing is colour is irrelevant to me. It is behaviour and self responsibility that is important in life. I dont think that young girls involved in the sex trade should be run off the streets into places where there is no protection from dangerous people. That's how these poor victims end up dead and their kids left motherless. That is what upsets me here children left behind when the ripper or the inadequate savage who killed them poor lasses with the crossbow. They died because of drugs. Prostitution should never be driven underground it puts them at risk. You wouldnt understand how i feel because everything in your eyes is about skin colour because you are so insecure in your own no doubt. gracie field
  • Score: 20

6:57pm Tue 22 Apr 14

jayho67 says...

The Hoffster wrote:
RollandSmoke wrote:
Here's a suggestion why not spray them bright orange like they do with dog sh!t? I'm not sure what good it would do but at least it's colourful. I meant the condoms and needles by the way, not the dealers, but then again why not?
The only reason the schizo (aka 'gracie field') is commenting on this story is because Asians are involved; or specifically Muslims.

On the now-defunct T&A forum, she was extremely hateful towards that community. She'd never said a bad word about *non*-Muslim criminals; it was always 'the Moozlims' behind everything.

She also never hid her pro-BNP/EDL views either.

Vile scum.
ah, is that who gracie is, our very own psycho nana aka the muff myster, i though i recognised that desire to abuse every poster who she disagreed with.

and which kids would these be nana that you would take better care of, the ones that have been taken from your daughter by social services?
[quote][p][bold]The Hoffster[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]RollandSmoke[/bold] wrote: Here's a suggestion why not spray them bright orange like they do with dog sh!t? I'm not sure what good it would do but at least it's colourful. I meant the condoms and needles by the way, not the dealers, but then again why not?[/p][/quote]The only reason the schizo (aka 'gracie field') is commenting on this story is because Asians are involved; or specifically Muslims. On the now-defunct T&A forum, she was extremely hateful towards that community. She'd never said a bad word about *non*-Muslim criminals; it was always 'the Moozlims' behind everything. She also never hid her pro-BNP/EDL views either. Vile scum.[/p][/quote]ah, is that who gracie is, our very own psycho nana aka the muff myster, i though i recognised that desire to abuse every poster who she disagreed with. and which kids would these be nana that you would take better care of, the ones that have been taken from your daughter by social services? jayho67
  • Score: -12

7:00pm Tue 22 Apr 14

jayho67 says...

also nana, when would you find the time to sweep up all the used condoms when you cant leave the internet?
also nana, when would you find the time to sweep up all the used condoms when you cant leave the internet? jayho67
  • Score: -10

7:17pm Tue 22 Apr 14

RollandSmoke says...

jayho67 wrote:
The Hoffster wrote:
RollandSmoke wrote:
Here's a suggestion why not spray them bright orange like they do with dog sh!t? I'm not sure what good it would do but at least it's colourful. I meant the condoms and needles by the way, not the dealers, but then again why not?
The only reason the schizo (aka 'gracie field') is commenting on this story is because Asians are involved; or specifically Muslims.

On the now-defunct T&A forum, she was extremely hateful towards that community. She'd never said a bad word about *non*-Muslim criminals; it was always 'the Moozlims' behind everything.

She also never hid her pro-BNP/EDL views either.

Vile scum.
ah, is that who gracie is, our very own psycho nana aka the muff myster, i though i recognised that desire to abuse every poster who she disagreed with.

and which kids would these be nana that you would take better care of, the ones that have been taken from your daughter by social services?
Not sure where you're getting your information but I actually know who nana is and I'm not aware of any of her children having their children taken by anyone. Regardless lets not turn this into a personality clash as after all isn't that why there is no longer a forum?
[quote][p][bold]jayho67[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]The Hoffster[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]RollandSmoke[/bold] wrote: Here's a suggestion why not spray them bright orange like they do with dog sh!t? I'm not sure what good it would do but at least it's colourful. I meant the condoms and needles by the way, not the dealers, but then again why not?[/p][/quote]The only reason the schizo (aka 'gracie field') is commenting on this story is because Asians are involved; or specifically Muslims. On the now-defunct T&A forum, she was extremely hateful towards that community. She'd never said a bad word about *non*-Muslim criminals; it was always 'the Moozlims' behind everything. She also never hid her pro-BNP/EDL views either. Vile scum.[/p][/quote]ah, is that who gracie is, our very own psycho nana aka the muff myster, i though i recognised that desire to abuse every poster who she disagreed with. and which kids would these be nana that you would take better care of, the ones that have been taken from your daughter by social services?[/p][/quote]Not sure where you're getting your information but I actually know who nana is and I'm not aware of any of her children having their children taken by anyone. Regardless lets not turn this into a personality clash as after all isn't that why there is no longer a forum? RollandSmoke
  • Score: 7

7:33pm Tue 22 Apr 14

Colin Allcars says...

Anyone no what country heroin goes through to get out of Afganistan?
Anyone no what country heroin goes through to get out of Afganistan? Colin Allcars
  • Score: 5

7:34pm Tue 22 Apr 14

Colin Allcars says...

Anyone know how Lumb Lane became notorious for prostitution, or which country heroin goes through from Afganistan to get to Bradford?
Anyone know how Lumb Lane became notorious for prostitution, or which country heroin goes through from Afganistan to get to Bradford? Colin Allcars
  • Score: 4

7:38pm Tue 22 Apr 14

gracie field says...

jayho67 wrote:
The Hoffster wrote:
RollandSmoke wrote:
Here's a suggestion why not spray them bright orange like they do with dog sh!t? I'm not sure what good it would do but at least it's colourful. I meant the condoms and needles by the way, not the dealers, but then again why not?
The only reason the schizo (aka 'gracie field') is commenting on this story is because Asians are involved; or specifically Muslims.

On the now-defunct T&A forum, she was extremely hateful towards that community. She'd never said a bad word about *non*-Muslim criminals; it was always 'the Moozlims' behind everything.

She also never hid her pro-BNP/EDL views either.

Vile scum.
ah, is that who gracie is, our very own psycho nana aka the muff myster, i though i recognised that desire to abuse every poster who she disagreed with.

and which kids would these be nana that you would take better care of, the ones that have been taken from your daughter by social services?
I havent abused anyone on this thread what so ever unreasonable_chap what a load of tosh you type. One of the things which makes me really laugh about you unreasonable_chap is the fact that you will do anything to have any comments deleted on threads that may contain anything in which a muslim person could be viewed in a bad light because you are desperately insecure.

Im not biting though (
[quote][p][bold]jayho67[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]The Hoffster[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]RollandSmoke[/bold] wrote: Here's a suggestion why not spray them bright orange like they do with dog sh!t? I'm not sure what good it would do but at least it's colourful. I meant the condoms and needles by the way, not the dealers, but then again why not?[/p][/quote]The only reason the schizo (aka 'gracie field') is commenting on this story is because Asians are involved; or specifically Muslims. On the now-defunct T&A forum, she was extremely hateful towards that community. She'd never said a bad word about *non*-Muslim criminals; it was always 'the Moozlims' behind everything. She also never hid her pro-BNP/EDL views either. Vile scum.[/p][/quote]ah, is that who gracie is, our very own psycho nana aka the muff myster, i though i recognised that desire to abuse every poster who she disagreed with. and which kids would these be nana that you would take better care of, the ones that have been taken from your daughter by social services?[/p][/quote]I havent abused anyone on this thread what so ever unreasonable_chap what a load of tosh you type. One of the things which makes me really laugh about you unreasonable_chap is the fact that you will do anything to have any comments deleted on threads that may contain anything in which a muslim person could be viewed in a bad light because you are desperately insecure. Im not biting though ( gracie field
  • Score: 15

7:39pm Tue 22 Apr 14

RollandSmoke says...

Anyone know why heroin production has gone up year in year out since our forces arrived in Afganistan?
Anyone know why heroin production has gone up year in year out since our forces arrived in Afganistan? RollandSmoke
  • Score: 3

7:59pm Tue 22 Apr 14

The Hoffster says...

gracie field wrote:
The Hoffster wrote:
RollandSmoke wrote:
Here's a suggestion why not spray them bright orange like they do with dog sh!t? I'm not sure what good it would do but at least it's colourful. I meant the condoms and needles by the way, not the dealers, but then again why not?
The only reason the schizo (aka 'gracie field') is commenting on this story is because Asians are involved; or specifically Muslims.

On the now-defunct T&A forum, she was extremely hateful towards that community. She'd never said a bad word about *non*-Muslim criminals; it was always 'the Moozlims' behind everything.

She also never hid her pro-BNP/EDL views either.

Vile scum.
The bit of this story that interested me here wasn't the colour of anyone's skin cade or any religion either so stop showing what a lying bigot you actually are. It was the fact that a group of people thought they were above the law of the land and the fact the big hard nuts were targeting innocent vulnerable girls who were in fact also victims just like the kids going to school.

They were judge, jury and decided the sentences too. They decided these young girls would be banished to the gutters of city road and Thornton road like rats where no one can watch over them and keep them relatively safe.

Both children going to school and young sex workers are victims and the biggest problem here lies with the drug dealers and our countries drug laws.

But these hard men didnt have the bottle to tackle the evil dealers did they? They just ignored them out on the street on lumb lane and manningham as they drive around their/your streets in cars you know their joblessness meant they couldnt really afford but have you ever picked up a phone and rung crime stoppers? no?. Well I have and i shall every time i ever get to know anyone who is involved in the selling of drugs. I know what damage that poison can do to people and their whole families.

What have you ever done cade to stop it?

Dont pretend you can know me because you could never understand how i work but one thing is colour is irrelevant to me. It is behaviour and self responsibility that is important in life. I dont think that young girls involved in the sex trade should be run off the streets into places where there is no protection from dangerous people. That's how these poor victims end up dead and their kids left motherless.

That is what upsets me here children left behind when the ripper or the inadequate savage who killed them poor lasses with the crossbow. They died because of drugs. Prostitution should never be driven underground it puts them at risk.

You wouldnt understand how i feel because everything in your eyes is about skin colour because you are so insecure in your own no doubt.
I remember you were quite vocal re. vigilante mobs who abuse children and the elderly; in other words, you saw no problem in mob 'justice'.

What a vile hypocrite you are.
[quote][p][bold]gracie field[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]The Hoffster[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]RollandSmoke[/bold] wrote: Here's a suggestion why not spray them bright orange like they do with dog sh!t? I'm not sure what good it would do but at least it's colourful. I meant the condoms and needles by the way, not the dealers, but then again why not?[/p][/quote]The only reason the schizo (aka 'gracie field') is commenting on this story is because Asians are involved; or specifically Muslims. On the now-defunct T&A forum, she was extremely hateful towards that community. She'd never said a bad word about *non*-Muslim criminals; it was always 'the Moozlims' behind everything. She also never hid her pro-BNP/EDL views either. Vile scum.[/p][/quote]The bit of this story that interested me here wasn't the colour of anyone's skin cade or any religion either so stop showing what a lying bigot you actually are. It was the fact that a group of people thought they were above the law of the land and the fact the big hard nuts were targeting innocent vulnerable girls who were in fact also victims just like the kids going to school. They were judge, jury and decided the sentences too. They decided these young girls would be banished to the gutters of city road and Thornton road like rats where no one can watch over them and keep them relatively safe. Both children going to school and young sex workers are victims and the biggest problem here lies with the drug dealers and our countries drug laws. But these hard men didnt have the bottle to tackle the evil dealers did they? They just ignored them out on the street on lumb lane and manningham as they drive around their/your streets in cars you know their joblessness meant they couldnt really afford but have you ever picked up a phone and rung crime stoppers? no?. Well I have and i shall every time i ever get to know anyone who is involved in the selling of drugs. I know what damage that poison can do to people and their whole families. What have you ever done cade to stop it? Dont pretend you can know me because you could never understand how i work but one thing is colour is irrelevant to me. It is behaviour and self responsibility that is important in life. I dont think that young girls involved in the sex trade should be run off the streets into places where there is no protection from dangerous people. That's how these poor victims end up dead and their kids left motherless. That is what upsets me here children left behind when the ripper or the inadequate savage who killed them poor lasses with the crossbow. They died because of drugs. Prostitution should never be driven underground it puts them at risk. You wouldnt understand how i feel because everything in your eyes is about skin colour because you are so insecure in your own no doubt.[/p][/quote]I remember you were quite vocal re. vigilante mobs who abuse children and the elderly; in other words, you saw no problem in mob 'justice'. What a vile hypocrite you are. The Hoffster
  • Score: -11

7:59pm Tue 22 Apr 14

The Hoffster says...

gracie field wrote:
jayho67 wrote:
The Hoffster wrote:
RollandSmoke wrote:
Here's a suggestion why not spray them bright orange like they do with dog sh!t? I'm not sure what good it would do but at least it's colourful. I meant the condoms and needles by the way, not the dealers, but then again why not?
The only reason the schizo (aka 'gracie field') is commenting on this story is because Asians are involved; or specifically Muslims.

On the now-defunct T&A forum, she was extremely hateful towards that community. She'd never said a bad word about *non*-Muslim criminals; it was always 'the Moozlims' behind everything.

She also never hid her pro-BNP/EDL views either.

Vile scum.
ah, is that who gracie is, our very own psycho nana aka the muff myster, i though i recognised that desire to abuse every poster who she disagreed with.

and which kids would these be nana that you would take better care of, the ones that have been taken from your daughter by social services?
I havent abused anyone on this thread what so ever unreasonable_chap what a load of tosh you type. One of the things which makes me really laugh about you unreasonable_chap is the fact that you will do anything to have any comments deleted on threads that may contain anything in which a muslim person could be viewed in a bad light because you are desperately insecure.

Im not biting though (
You've already bitten, you demented schizo :D
[quote][p][bold]gracie field[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]jayho67[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]The Hoffster[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]RollandSmoke[/bold] wrote: Here's a suggestion why not spray them bright orange like they do with dog sh!t? I'm not sure what good it would do but at least it's colourful. I meant the condoms and needles by the way, not the dealers, but then again why not?[/p][/quote]The only reason the schizo (aka 'gracie field') is commenting on this story is because Asians are involved; or specifically Muslims. On the now-defunct T&A forum, she was extremely hateful towards that community. She'd never said a bad word about *non*-Muslim criminals; it was always 'the Moozlims' behind everything. She also never hid her pro-BNP/EDL views either. Vile scum.[/p][/quote]ah, is that who gracie is, our very own psycho nana aka the muff myster, i though i recognised that desire to abuse every poster who she disagreed with. and which kids would these be nana that you would take better care of, the ones that have been taken from your daughter by social services?[/p][/quote]I havent abused anyone on this thread what so ever unreasonable_chap what a load of tosh you type. One of the things which makes me really laugh about you unreasonable_chap is the fact that you will do anything to have any comments deleted on threads that may contain anything in which a muslim person could be viewed in a bad light because you are desperately insecure. Im not biting though ([/p][/quote]You've already bitten, you demented schizo :D The Hoffster
  • Score: -12

8:00pm Tue 22 Apr 14

The Hoffster says...

RollandSmoke wrote:
Anyone know why heroin production has gone up year in year out since our forces arrived in Afganistan?
The usual suspects on here won't say a thing about that, Roly.

Maybe the truth's just too unbearable ?
[quote][p][bold]RollandSmoke[/bold] wrote: Anyone know why heroin production has gone up year in year out since our forces arrived in Afganistan?[/p][/quote]The usual suspects on here won't say a thing about that, Roly. Maybe the truth's just too unbearable ? The Hoffster
  • Score: -11

8:02pm Tue 22 Apr 14

The Hoffster says...

Colin Allcars wrote:
Anyone know how Lumb Lane became notorious for prostitution, or which country heroin goes through from Afganistan to get to Bradford?
Lumb lane was infamous *WAY* before the immigrants from 50s and 60s arrived.

Maybe it was the vile indigenous folk who started it all ?

How come the hypocrites on here don't mention that ?
[quote][p][bold]Colin Allcars[/bold] wrote: Anyone know how Lumb Lane became notorious for prostitution, or which country heroin goes through from Afganistan to get to Bradford?[/p][/quote]Lumb lane was infamous *WAY* before the immigrants from 50s and 60s arrived. Maybe it was the vile indigenous folk who started it all ? How come the hypocrites on here don't mention that ? The Hoffster
  • Score: -11

8:03pm Tue 22 Apr 14

The Hoffster says...

jayho67 wrote:
The Hoffster wrote:
RollandSmoke wrote:
Here's a suggestion why not spray them bright orange like they do with dog sh!t? I'm not sure what good it would do but at least it's colourful. I meant the condoms and needles by the way, not the dealers, but then again why not?
The only reason the schizo (aka 'gracie field') is commenting on this story is because Asians are involved; or specifically Muslims.

On the now-defunct T&A forum, she was extremely hateful towards that community. She'd never said a bad word about *non*-Muslim criminals; it was always 'the Moozlims' behind everything.

She also never hid her pro-BNP/EDL views either.

Vile scum.
ah, is that who gracie is, our very own psycho nana aka the muff myster, i though i recognised that desire to abuse every poster who she disagreed with.

and which kids would these be nana that you would take better care of, the ones that have been taken from your daughter by social services?
Lol !

Well said, Bro :D
[quote][p][bold]jayho67[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]The Hoffster[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]RollandSmoke[/bold] wrote: Here's a suggestion why not spray them bright orange like they do with dog sh!t? I'm not sure what good it would do but at least it's colourful. I meant the condoms and needles by the way, not the dealers, but then again why not?[/p][/quote]The only reason the schizo (aka 'gracie field') is commenting on this story is because Asians are involved; or specifically Muslims. On the now-defunct T&A forum, she was extremely hateful towards that community. She'd never said a bad word about *non*-Muslim criminals; it was always 'the Moozlims' behind everything. She also never hid her pro-BNP/EDL views either. Vile scum.[/p][/quote]ah, is that who gracie is, our very own psycho nana aka the muff myster, i though i recognised that desire to abuse every poster who she disagreed with. and which kids would these be nana that you would take better care of, the ones that have been taken from your daughter by social services?[/p][/quote]Lol ! Well said, Bro :D The Hoffster
  • Score: -12

8:33pm Tue 22 Apr 14

gracie field says...

The Hoffster wrote:
jayho67 wrote:
The Hoffster wrote:
RollandSmoke wrote:
Here's a suggestion why not spray them bright orange like they do with dog sh!t? I'm not sure what good it would do but at least it's colourful. I meant the condoms and needles by the way, not the dealers, but then again why not?
The only reason the schizo (aka 'gracie field') is commenting on this story is because Asians are involved; or specifically Muslims.

On the now-defunct T&A forum, she was extremely hateful towards that community. She'd never said a bad word about *non*-Muslim criminals; it was always 'the Moozlims' behind everything.

She also never hid her pro-BNP/EDL views either.

Vile scum.
ah, is that who gracie is, our very own psycho nana aka the muff myster, i though i recognised that desire to abuse every poster who she disagreed with.

and which kids would these be nana that you would take better care of, the ones that have been taken from your daughter by social services?
Lol !

Well said, Bro :D
Another thing that makes me and the rest of the people who know me giggle is his insisting that i have lost my children to social services -no sorry now its my "grandchildren"now isnt it? It wouldnt be so funny if my home wasnt swamped by the lot of them daily.

We are such a close family me and my beloved offspring and their babies too and the only ones missing on a daily basis is my youngest daughter who is at uni and my oldest grandson who i have on a weekend due to the fact he is at school all week.
Stop stabbing in the dark old chap. my family is deffo all in tact so please stop embarrassing yourselves with the make believe stories made up to fit your agenda. if you dont believe me im sure a few of the posters on here or elsewhere (if you can get on there lol) could put you straight about this seeing as they know me personally and can vouch for me.

Anyway less of the distractions back to the story.

Do you think illegal mobs of vigilante men bullying vulnerable girls is the way to go in our country ?

Do you think these poor lasses (victims) should be pushed underground so they can be abused and murdered like the ripper/crossbow victims because there is no one to watch over them?

no one has a right to take over any street or area in this country and prevent others from being there.

that's segregation and the councillors need to think about that before they comment.
[quote][p][bold]The Hoffster[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]jayho67[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]The Hoffster[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]RollandSmoke[/bold] wrote: Here's a suggestion why not spray them bright orange like they do with dog sh!t? I'm not sure what good it would do but at least it's colourful. I meant the condoms and needles by the way, not the dealers, but then again why not?[/p][/quote]The only reason the schizo (aka 'gracie field') is commenting on this story is because Asians are involved; or specifically Muslims. On the now-defunct T&A forum, she was extremely hateful towards that community. She'd never said a bad word about *non*-Muslim criminals; it was always 'the Moozlims' behind everything. She also never hid her pro-BNP/EDL views either. Vile scum.[/p][/quote]ah, is that who gracie is, our very own psycho nana aka the muff myster, i though i recognised that desire to abuse every poster who she disagreed with. and which kids would these be nana that you would take better care of, the ones that have been taken from your daughter by social services?[/p][/quote]Lol ! Well said, Bro :D[/p][/quote]Another thing that makes me and the rest of the people who know me giggle is his insisting that i have lost my children to social services -no sorry now its my "grandchildren"now isnt it? It wouldnt be so funny if my home wasnt swamped by the lot of them daily. We are such a close family me and my beloved offspring and their babies too and the only ones missing on a daily basis is my youngest daughter who is at uni and my oldest grandson who i have on a weekend due to the fact he is at school all week. Stop stabbing in the dark old chap. my family is deffo all in tact so please stop embarrassing yourselves with the make believe stories made up to fit your agenda. if you dont believe me im sure a few of the posters on here or elsewhere (if you can get on there lol) could put you straight about this seeing as they know me personally and can vouch for me. Anyway less of the distractions back to the story. Do you think illegal mobs of vigilante men bullying vulnerable girls is the way to go in our country ? Do you think these poor lasses (victims) should be pushed underground so they can be abused and murdered like the ripper/crossbow victims because there is no one to watch over them? no one has a right to take over any street or area in this country and prevent others from being there. that's segregation and the councillors need to think about that before they comment. gracie field
  • Score: 10

8:38pm Tue 22 Apr 14

BD16 says...

The Hoffster wrote:
gracie field wrote:
The Hoffster wrote:
RollandSmoke wrote:
Here's a suggestion why not spray them bright orange like they do with dog sh!t? I'm not sure what good it would do but at least it's colourful. I meant the condoms and needles by the way, not the dealers, but then again why not?
The only reason the schizo (aka 'gracie field') is commenting on this story is because Asians are involved; or specifically Muslims.

On the now-defunct T&A forum, she was extremely hateful towards that community. She'd never said a bad word about *non*-Muslim criminals; it was always 'the Moozlims' behind everything.

She also never hid her pro-BNP/EDL views either.

Vile scum.
The bit of this story that interested me here wasn't the colour of anyone's skin cade or any religion either so stop showing what a lying bigot you actually are. It was the fact that a group of people thought they were above the law of the land and the fact the big hard nuts were targeting innocent vulnerable girls who were in fact also victims just like the kids going to school.

They were judge, jury and decided the sentences too. They decided these young girls would be banished to the gutters of city road and Thornton road like rats where no one can watch over them and keep them relatively safe.

Both children going to school and young sex workers are victims and the biggest problem here lies with the drug dealers and our countries drug laws.

But these hard men didnt have the bottle to tackle the evil dealers did they? They just ignored them out on the street on lumb lane and manningham as they drive around their/your streets in cars you know their joblessness meant they couldnt really afford but have you ever picked up a phone and rung crime stoppers? no?. Well I have and i shall every time i ever get to know anyone who is involved in the selling of drugs. I know what damage that poison can do to people and their whole families.

What have you ever done cade to stop it?

Dont pretend you can know me because you could never understand how i work but one thing is colour is irrelevant to me. It is behaviour and self responsibility that is important in life. I dont think that young girls involved in the sex trade should be run off the streets into places where there is no protection from dangerous people. That's how these poor victims end up dead and their kids left motherless.

That is what upsets me here children left behind when the ripper or the inadequate savage who killed them poor lasses with the crossbow. They died because of drugs. Prostitution should never be driven underground it puts them at risk.

You wouldnt understand how i feel because everything in your eyes is about skin colour because you are so insecure in your own no doubt.
I remember you were quite vocal re. vigilante mobs who abuse children and the elderly; in other words, you saw no problem in mob 'justice'.

What a vile hypocrite you are.
Pot, kettle, black.
[quote][p][bold]The Hoffster[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]gracie field[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]The Hoffster[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]RollandSmoke[/bold] wrote: Here's a suggestion why not spray them bright orange like they do with dog sh!t? I'm not sure what good it would do but at least it's colourful. I meant the condoms and needles by the way, not the dealers, but then again why not?[/p][/quote]The only reason the schizo (aka 'gracie field') is commenting on this story is because Asians are involved; or specifically Muslims. On the now-defunct T&A forum, she was extremely hateful towards that community. She'd never said a bad word about *non*-Muslim criminals; it was always 'the Moozlims' behind everything. She also never hid her pro-BNP/EDL views either. Vile scum.[/p][/quote]The bit of this story that interested me here wasn't the colour of anyone's skin cade or any religion either so stop showing what a lying bigot you actually are. It was the fact that a group of people thought they were above the law of the land and the fact the big hard nuts were targeting innocent vulnerable girls who were in fact also victims just like the kids going to school. They were judge, jury and decided the sentences too. They decided these young girls would be banished to the gutters of city road and Thornton road like rats where no one can watch over them and keep them relatively safe. Both children going to school and young sex workers are victims and the biggest problem here lies with the drug dealers and our countries drug laws. But these hard men didnt have the bottle to tackle the evil dealers did they? They just ignored them out on the street on lumb lane and manningham as they drive around their/your streets in cars you know their joblessness meant they couldnt really afford but have you ever picked up a phone and rung crime stoppers? no?. Well I have and i shall every time i ever get to know anyone who is involved in the selling of drugs. I know what damage that poison can do to people and their whole families. What have you ever done cade to stop it? Dont pretend you can know me because you could never understand how i work but one thing is colour is irrelevant to me. It is behaviour and self responsibility that is important in life. I dont think that young girls involved in the sex trade should be run off the streets into places where there is no protection from dangerous people. That's how these poor victims end up dead and their kids left motherless. That is what upsets me here children left behind when the ripper or the inadequate savage who killed them poor lasses with the crossbow. They died because of drugs. Prostitution should never be driven underground it puts them at risk. You wouldnt understand how i feel because everything in your eyes is about skin colour because you are so insecure in your own no doubt.[/p][/quote]I remember you were quite vocal re. vigilante mobs who abuse children and the elderly; in other words, you saw no problem in mob 'justice'. What a vile hypocrite you are.[/p][/quote]Pot, kettle, black. BD16
  • Score: 9

9:44pm Tue 22 Apr 14

The Hoffster says...

The only hypocrite is that freak 'gracie field'.

If you'd read her posts on the now-defunct T&A forum, you'd understand why.
The only hypocrite is that freak 'gracie field'. If you'd read her posts on the now-defunct T&A forum, you'd understand why. The Hoffster
  • Score: -13

10:01pm Tue 22 Apr 14

Baazal says...

RollandSmoke wrote:
Anyone know why heroin production has gone up year in year out since our forces arrived in Afganistan?
Because their profiting from it.
[quote][p][bold]RollandSmoke[/bold] wrote: Anyone know why heroin production has gone up year in year out since our forces arrived in Afganistan?[/p][/quote]Because their profiting from it. Baazal
  • Score: -4

10:17pm Tue 22 Apr 14

RollandSmoke says...

Baazal wrote:
RollandSmoke wrote:
Anyone know why heroin production has gone up year in year out since our forces arrived in Afganistan?
Because their profiting from it.
I'm sure there are lots of people profiting from it. Were you talking about any "their" in particular? I know it's not like the British to use drugs to wage wars and they certainly wouldn't wage war on their own people would they?
[quote][p][bold]Baazal[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]RollandSmoke[/bold] wrote: Anyone know why heroin production has gone up year in year out since our forces arrived in Afganistan?[/p][/quote]Because their profiting from it.[/p][/quote]I'm sure there are lots of people profiting from it. Were you talking about any "their" in particular? I know it's not like the British to use drugs to wage wars and they certainly wouldn't wage war on their own people would they? RollandSmoke
  • Score: -7

11:27pm Tue 22 Apr 14

cityofdreams says...

The Hoffster wrote:
Colin Allcars wrote:
Anyone know how Lumb Lane became notorious for prostitution, or which country heroin goes through from Afganistan to get to Bradford?
Lumb lane was infamous *WAY* before the immigrants from 50s and 60s arrived.

Maybe it was the vile indigenous folk who started it all ?

How come the hypocrites on here don't mention that ?
so the vile white people of bradford u mean hoff ,, not the muslims ?? u vile pice of crap ,u are by far the biggest RACIST on this site !!
[quote][p][bold]The Hoffster[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Colin Allcars[/bold] wrote: Anyone know how Lumb Lane became notorious for prostitution, or which country heroin goes through from Afganistan to get to Bradford?[/p][/quote]Lumb lane was infamous *WAY* before the immigrants from 50s and 60s arrived. Maybe it was the vile indigenous folk who started it all ? How come the hypocrites on here don't mention that ?[/p][/quote]so the vile white people of bradford u mean hoff ,, not the muslims ?? u vile pice of crap ,u are by far the biggest RACIST on this site !! cityofdreams
  • Score: 12

12:08am Wed 23 Apr 14

Baazal says...

RollandSmoke wrote:
Baazal wrote:
RollandSmoke wrote:
Anyone know why heroin production has gone up year in year out since our forces arrived in Afganistan?
Because their profiting from it.
I'm sure there are lots of people profiting from it. Were you talking about any "their" in particular? I know it's not like the British to use drugs to wage wars and they certainly wouldn't wage war on their own people would they?
Opium is being grown in front of the eyes of British and NATO forces in Afganistan. They've been their for over a decade, if they wanted to stop it they could have, and like you said heroin production has gone up year in year out. Infact ninety percent of the worlds heroin is coming from Afghanistan. A lot of people are profiting from it, which has to include senior members of foreign forces who are occupying the country, it's one of the reasons why "their" there.
In October 2001 the UN acknowledged that opium production in Afghanistan had been reduced from 3300 tons in 2000, to 185 tons in 2001. The Anglo-American invasion of Afghanistan successfully restored the drugs trade. The guardian reported that "in 2007 Afghanistan had more land growing drugs than Colombia, Bolivia, and Peru combined.
[quote][p][bold]RollandSmoke[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Baazal[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]RollandSmoke[/bold] wrote: Anyone know why heroin production has gone up year in year out since our forces arrived in Afganistan?[/p][/quote]Because their profiting from it.[/p][/quote]I'm sure there are lots of people profiting from it. Were you talking about any "their" in particular? I know it's not like the British to use drugs to wage wars and they certainly wouldn't wage war on their own people would they?[/p][/quote]Opium is being grown in front of the eyes of British and NATO forces in Afganistan. They've been their for over a decade, if they wanted to stop it they could have, and like you said heroin production has gone up year in year out. Infact ninety percent of the worlds heroin is coming from Afghanistan. A lot of people are profiting from it, which has to include senior members of foreign forces who are occupying the country, it's one of the reasons why "their" there. In October 2001 the UN acknowledged that opium production in Afghanistan had been reduced from 3300 tons in 2000, to 185 tons in 2001. The Anglo-American invasion of Afghanistan successfully restored the drugs trade. The guardian reported that "in 2007 Afghanistan had more land growing drugs than Colombia, Bolivia, and Peru combined. Baazal
  • Score: -1

12:18am Wed 23 Apr 14

Dr Martin says...

RollandSmoke wrote:
Anyone know why heroin production has gone up year in year out since our forces arrived in Afganistan?
it hasn't
[quote][p][bold]RollandSmoke[/bold] wrote: Anyone know why heroin production has gone up year in year out since our forces arrived in Afganistan?[/p][/quote]it hasn't Dr Martin
  • Score: 8

3:02pm Wed 23 Apr 14

hx3bantam says...

I'm all in favour of naming and shaming CONVICTED kerb-crawlers but to name and shame someone they perceive to be a kerb-crawler is ludicrous. You only have to look back at the case of the woman who had a letter sent to her work about kerb-crawling when she was actually in the Catholic Players who rehearse in the area and have done long before Plod started turning a blind eye to prostitutes touting for business. The mouthpiece Superintendent didn't even apologise. She just spouted some guff about "robust policing". I park up around there when going to the City as do loads of others. What's to stop some lazy PC from deciding we're all cruising and naming and shaming us all. It's bad enough being a City fan!
I'm all in favour of naming and shaming CONVICTED kerb-crawlers but to name and shame someone they perceive to be a kerb-crawler is ludicrous. You only have to look back at the case of the woman who had a letter sent to her work about kerb-crawling when she was actually in the Catholic Players who rehearse in the area and have done long before Plod started turning a blind eye to prostitutes touting for business. The mouthpiece Superintendent didn't even apologise. She just spouted some guff about "robust policing". I park up around there when going to the City as do loads of others. What's to stop some lazy PC from deciding we're all cruising and naming and shaming us all. It's bad enough being a City fan! hx3bantam
  • Score: 9

4:18pm Wed 23 Apr 14

son123 says...

RollandSmoke wrote:
son123 wrote:
I dont think they'll ever eradicate prostitution in that area. Maybe eradication of the drugs in the area may move them somewhere else. Theres good charities aka teen challenge outside sunbridge road mission that try to help the girls in question. Many suffer from depression, no self esteem and worse they are made to with threats if they dont. Dammed if they do. But a dammed if they don't issue. Find the traffickers and the drug dealers.
You hit the nail on the head. For a lot of these girls their problems will have begun well before they met the dealer who tempted them with some temporary relief from their reality. It's a shame that care in the community is not getting the funding it requires so as vulnerable young girls who are suffering from mental health problems get to see a medical professional who can get them access to the medication they need to lift their mood rather than having to go to a dealer for some temporary relief from something which will ultimately destroy them. Unfortunately such services only get involved when things have reached crisis point which it seems prostituting yourself and drug addiction doesn't qualify as and by that point it's often much too late to fix the damage that has been done.
Its why I promoted sunbridge road mission they only get to do it once every fortnight on a thursday and wednesday nights homeless night where they can talk . Id like to say im a caring person as my children have attended this church with the girls parading day and night. Ive seen it for myself. I would like to offer help voluntary but ive witnessed girls being dragged in cars by pimps, beaten in streets because the havent earned enough, being told their worthless, scum and that nobody would miss them if the pimp got rid of them. But after witnessing it. Do I dare put myself in that danger for even standing up against who ever. Safety in numbers?. I think there should be some sort of sure protection from these traffickers that make these girls feel they'll never be safe away from them. I think its bad regarding leaving dangerous waste near schools as I myself have 5 children and I wouldnt want that for my kids or a neighbours. Maybe some sort of understanding none judgemental people to listen to them and then them sharing their dismays with the aftermath clean up x
[quote][p][bold]RollandSmoke[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]son123[/bold] wrote: I dont think they'll ever eradicate prostitution in that area. Maybe eradication of the drugs in the area may move them somewhere else. Theres good charities aka teen challenge outside sunbridge road mission that try to help the girls in question. Many suffer from depression, no self esteem and worse they are made to with threats if they dont. Dammed if they do. But a dammed if they don't issue. Find the traffickers and the drug dealers.[/p][/quote]You hit the nail on the head. For a lot of these girls their problems will have begun well before they met the dealer who tempted them with some temporary relief from their reality. It's a shame that care in the community is not getting the funding it requires so as vulnerable young girls who are suffering from mental health problems get to see a medical professional who can get them access to the medication they need to lift their mood rather than having to go to a dealer for some temporary relief from something which will ultimately destroy them. Unfortunately such services only get involved when things have reached crisis point which it seems prostituting yourself and drug addiction doesn't qualify as and by that point it's often much too late to fix the damage that has been done.[/p][/quote]Its why I promoted sunbridge road mission they only get to do it once every fortnight on a thursday and wednesday nights homeless night where they can talk . Id like to say im a caring person as my children have attended this church with the girls parading day and night. Ive seen it for myself. I would like to offer help voluntary but ive witnessed girls being dragged in cars by pimps, beaten in streets because the havent earned enough, being told their worthless, scum and that nobody would miss them if the pimp got rid of them. But after witnessing it. Do I dare put myself in that danger for even standing up against who ever. Safety in numbers?. I think there should be some sort of sure protection from these traffickers that make these girls feel they'll never be safe away from them. I think its bad regarding leaving dangerous waste near schools as I myself have 5 children and I wouldnt want that for my kids or a neighbours. Maybe some sort of understanding none judgemental people to listen to them and then them sharing their dismays with the aftermath clean up x son123
  • Score: 4

4:32pm Wed 23 Apr 14

son123 says...

son123 wrote:
RollandSmoke wrote:
son123 wrote:
I dont think they'll ever eradicate prostitution in that area. Maybe eradication of the drugs in the area may move them somewhere else. Theres good charities aka teen challenge outside sunbridge road mission that try to help the girls in question. Many suffer from depression, no self esteem and worse they are made to with threats if they dont. Dammed if they do. But a dammed if they don't issue. Find the traffickers and the drug dealers.
You hit the nail on the head. For a lot of these girls their problems will have begun well before they met the dealer who tempted them with some temporary relief from their reality. It's a shame that care in the community is not getting the funding it requires so as vulnerable young girls who are suffering from mental health problems get to see a medical professional who can get them access to the medication they need to lift their mood rather than having to go to a dealer for some temporary relief from something which will ultimately destroy them. Unfortunately such services only get involved when things have reached crisis point which it seems prostituting yourself and drug addiction doesn't qualify as and by that point it's often much too late to fix the damage that has been done.
Its why I promoted sunbridge road mission they only get to do it once every fortnight on a thursday and wednesday nights homeless night where they can talk . Id like to say im a caring person as my children have attended this church with the girls parading day and night. Ive seen it for myself. I would like to offer help voluntary but ive witnessed girls being dragged in cars by pimps, beaten in streets because the havent earned enough, being told their worthless, scum and that nobody would miss them if the pimp got rid of them. But after witnessing it. Do I dare put myself in that danger for even standing up against who ever. Safety in numbers?. I think there should be some sort of sure protection from these traffickers that make these girls feel they'll never be safe away from them. I think its bad regarding leaving dangerous waste near schools as I myself have 5 children and I wouldnt want that for my kids or a neighbours. Maybe some sort of understanding none judgemental people to listen to them and then them sharing their dismays with the aftermath clean up x
Its easy for us to judge but how many peeps commenting have been in this situation. Is it easy to say its easy cash for them too. naming and shaming crawlers maybe easy but what about the girl in question and their background of why or who makes them want to do it.
[quote][p][bold]son123[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]RollandSmoke[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]son123[/bold] wrote: I dont think they'll ever eradicate prostitution in that area. Maybe eradication of the drugs in the area may move them somewhere else. Theres good charities aka teen challenge outside sunbridge road mission that try to help the girls in question. Many suffer from depression, no self esteem and worse they are made to with threats if they dont. Dammed if they do. But a dammed if they don't issue. Find the traffickers and the drug dealers.[/p][/quote]You hit the nail on the head. For a lot of these girls their problems will have begun well before they met the dealer who tempted them with some temporary relief from their reality. It's a shame that care in the community is not getting the funding it requires so as vulnerable young girls who are suffering from mental health problems get to see a medical professional who can get them access to the medication they need to lift their mood rather than having to go to a dealer for some temporary relief from something which will ultimately destroy them. Unfortunately such services only get involved when things have reached crisis point which it seems prostituting yourself and drug addiction doesn't qualify as and by that point it's often much too late to fix the damage that has been done.[/p][/quote]Its why I promoted sunbridge road mission they only get to do it once every fortnight on a thursday and wednesday nights homeless night where they can talk . Id like to say im a caring person as my children have attended this church with the girls parading day and night. Ive seen it for myself. I would like to offer help voluntary but ive witnessed girls being dragged in cars by pimps, beaten in streets because the havent earned enough, being told their worthless, scum and that nobody would miss them if the pimp got rid of them. But after witnessing it. Do I dare put myself in that danger for even standing up against who ever. Safety in numbers?. I think there should be some sort of sure protection from these traffickers that make these girls feel they'll never be safe away from them. I think its bad regarding leaving dangerous waste near schools as I myself have 5 children and I wouldnt want that for my kids or a neighbours. Maybe some sort of understanding none judgemental people to listen to them and then them sharing their dismays with the aftermath clean up x[/p][/quote]Its easy for us to judge but how many peeps commenting have been in this situation. Is it easy to say its easy cash for them too. naming and shaming crawlers maybe easy but what about the girl in question and their background of why or who makes them want to do it. son123
  • Score: 2

5:59pm Wed 23 Apr 14

RollandSmoke says...

son123 wrote:
son123 wrote:
RollandSmoke wrote:
son123 wrote:
I dont think they'll ever eradicate prostitution in that area. Maybe eradication of the drugs in the area may move them somewhere else. Theres good charities aka teen challenge outside sunbridge road mission that try to help the girls in question. Many suffer from depression, no self esteem and worse they are made to with threats if they dont. Dammed if they do. But a dammed if they don't issue. Find the traffickers and the drug dealers.
You hit the nail on the head. For a lot of these girls their problems will have begun well before they met the dealer who tempted them with some temporary relief from their reality. It's a shame that care in the community is not getting the funding it requires so as vulnerable young girls who are suffering from mental health problems get to see a medical professional who can get them access to the medication they need to lift their mood rather than having to go to a dealer for some temporary relief from something which will ultimately destroy them. Unfortunately such services only get involved when things have reached crisis point which it seems prostituting yourself and drug addiction doesn't qualify as and by that point it's often much too late to fix the damage that has been done.
Its why I promoted sunbridge road mission they only get to do it once every fortnight on a thursday and wednesday nights homeless night where they can talk . Id like to say im a caring person as my children have attended this church with the girls parading day and night. Ive seen it for myself. I would like to offer help voluntary but ive witnessed girls being dragged in cars by pimps, beaten in streets because the havent earned enough, being told their worthless, scum and that nobody would miss them if the pimp got rid of them. But after witnessing it. Do I dare put myself in that danger for even standing up against who ever. Safety in numbers?. I think there should be some sort of sure protection from these traffickers that make these girls feel they'll never be safe away from them. I think its bad regarding leaving dangerous waste near schools as I myself have 5 children and I wouldnt want that for my kids or a neighbours. Maybe some sort of understanding none judgemental people to listen to them and then them sharing their dismays with the aftermath clean up x
Its easy for us to judge but how many peeps commenting have been in this situation. Is it easy to say its easy cash for them too. naming and shaming crawlers maybe easy but what about the girl in question and their background of why or who makes them want to do it.
As with most issues people are much keener on condemning those who are in desperate need of help than they are on spending a little time to understand the problems that cause the girls to take such risks. Sure naming and shaming the punters may reduce their trade but that will only increase the problems for the girls and drive them into areas where they are even less safe. This may get one or two girls off the street temporarily until the police's focus on them dies down, but if we gain an understanding of what leads them down this road in the first place we can use that to identify those at risk and stop them ever being on the streets in the first place. The right wingers will condemn, they always do, but condemning a problem doesn't make it go away. They are incapable of solving problems and their condemnation is merely a slightly more vocal means of burying their heads in the sand. It's good to see that you're caring side has won over the desire to look down your nose at people, it's just a shame there's not more like you. These girls are all someones daughters and when young women are putting themselves in danger either through desperation or cohesion then that is something we should all care about.
[quote][p][bold]son123[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]son123[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]RollandSmoke[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]son123[/bold] wrote: I dont think they'll ever eradicate prostitution in that area. Maybe eradication of the drugs in the area may move them somewhere else. Theres good charities aka teen challenge outside sunbridge road mission that try to help the girls in question. Many suffer from depression, no self esteem and worse they are made to with threats if they dont. Dammed if they do. But a dammed if they don't issue. Find the traffickers and the drug dealers.[/p][/quote]You hit the nail on the head. For a lot of these girls their problems will have begun well before they met the dealer who tempted them with some temporary relief from their reality. It's a shame that care in the community is not getting the funding it requires so as vulnerable young girls who are suffering from mental health problems get to see a medical professional who can get them access to the medication they need to lift their mood rather than having to go to a dealer for some temporary relief from something which will ultimately destroy them. Unfortunately such services only get involved when things have reached crisis point which it seems prostituting yourself and drug addiction doesn't qualify as and by that point it's often much too late to fix the damage that has been done.[/p][/quote]Its why I promoted sunbridge road mission they only get to do it once every fortnight on a thursday and wednesday nights homeless night where they can talk . Id like to say im a caring person as my children have attended this church with the girls parading day and night. Ive seen it for myself. I would like to offer help voluntary but ive witnessed girls being dragged in cars by pimps, beaten in streets because the havent earned enough, being told their worthless, scum and that nobody would miss them if the pimp got rid of them. But after witnessing it. Do I dare put myself in that danger for even standing up against who ever. Safety in numbers?. I think there should be some sort of sure protection from these traffickers that make these girls feel they'll never be safe away from them. I think its bad regarding leaving dangerous waste near schools as I myself have 5 children and I wouldnt want that for my kids or a neighbours. Maybe some sort of understanding none judgemental people to listen to them and then them sharing their dismays with the aftermath clean up x[/p][/quote]Its easy for us to judge but how many peeps commenting have been in this situation. Is it easy to say its easy cash for them too. naming and shaming crawlers maybe easy but what about the girl in question and their background of why or who makes them want to do it.[/p][/quote]As with most issues people are much keener on condemning those who are in desperate need of help than they are on spending a little time to understand the problems that cause the girls to take such risks. Sure naming and shaming the punters may reduce their trade but that will only increase the problems for the girls and drive them into areas where they are even less safe. This may get one or two girls off the street temporarily until the police's focus on them dies down, but if we gain an understanding of what leads them down this road in the first place we can use that to identify those at risk and stop them ever being on the streets in the first place. The right wingers will condemn, they always do, but condemning a problem doesn't make it go away. They are incapable of solving problems and their condemnation is merely a slightly more vocal means of burying their heads in the sand. It's good to see that you're caring side has won over the desire to look down your nose at people, it's just a shame there's not more like you. These girls are all someones daughters and when young women are putting themselves in danger either through desperation or cohesion then that is something we should all care about. RollandSmoke
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12:59am Mon 28 Apr 14

Wanna Have says...

It's simple the community find and take out the pimps and dealer's, problem solved.
It's simple the community find and take out the pimps and dealer's, problem solved. Wanna Have
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