Fate of Bradford's Odeon will be decided by end of year

Leaders of the two final bids to develop the Odeon Gideon Seymour (left) and Lee Craven

Leaders of the two final bids to develop the Odeon Gideon Seymour (left) and Lee Craven

First published in News Bradford Telegraph and Argus: Photograph of the Author by , City Hall Reporter

The future of the former Odeon building in Bradford city centre will be decided before the year is out.

A decision on which group will get to transform the landmark into a live venue will be taken in November, a new report by Bradford Council says.

But while one of the groups vying to take on the Council-owned building has raised concerns about the tight timescale, the other wants the final decision to be taken sooner.

Bradford One and Bradford Live are both hoping to turn the landmark building back into a music and events venue.

Gideon Seymour, chairman of Bradford One, said it would be in regular contact with the Council over the coming months, and would discuss whether the timescale was achievable.

He said: “It’s better to get it right than do it quickly.”

When asked whether the group would request an extension, Mr Seymour said: “It’s far too early to say. Everybody wants to see the momentum kept up.”

But he said Bradford One had to raise funds to do the necessary work on its bid, which could take time.

However, Lee Craven of Bradford Live said he had originally been told a final decision was due this summer, which he would have preferred.

He said: “It would be good to have a decision in summer, one way or the other. We don’t really want to lose momentum.”

But he agreed that a Council-imposed deadline of May 30 to submit detailed business plans ahead of a second, tougher assessment stage was proving challenging.

To get through the first stage, the groups had to score 51 per cent or above on a range of criteria.

The second stage has a higher 70 per cent threshold, and each plan will have to answer two key questions: is there a market for their proposal, and will it pay its way?

Any plan getting through will submit even more detailed proposals later in the year, before a final decision is taken by the Council’s Executive in November, a report says.

Bradford One is holding a meeting for members today at 6pm at Forster’s Bistro in City Park, overlooking the former 1930s cinema and music venue.

The Council report on progress so far will also go before the Council’s Regeneration and Economy Overview and Scrutiny Committee on Thursday.

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8:04am Mon 14 Apr 14

mad matt says...

I think they're busy writing all the possible suggestions on slips of paper and putting them in an upturned hat !
I think they're busy writing all the possible suggestions on slips of paper and putting them in an upturned hat ! mad matt
  • Score: -11

9:33am Mon 14 Apr 14

June Oh says...

Disappointing after this time one of the proposers isn't ready.
I do hope that the Council will keep to the time table and not give extensions the fate of the building as been unanswered for more than long enough.
Bradford Live is right a decision is needed and the work needed to commence, walked passed the Odeon and it is getting to look very sad, refurbishment work is long overdue.
Disappointing after this time one of the proposers isn't ready. I do hope that the Council will keep to the time table and not give extensions the fate of the building as been unanswered for more than long enough. Bradford Live is right a decision is needed and the work needed to commence, walked passed the Odeon and it is getting to look very sad, refurbishment work is long overdue. June Oh
  • Score: 21

9:59am Mon 14 Apr 14

Ruthydee says...

June Oh wrote:
Disappointing after this time one of the proposers isn't ready.
I do hope that the Council will keep to the time table and not give extensions the fate of the building as been unanswered for more than long enough.
Bradford Live is right a decision is needed and the work needed to commence, walked passed the Odeon and it is getting to look very sad, refurbishment work is long overdue.
It isn't that one of the proposers isn't ready, they are ready, rather that certain types of funding can only be applied for once the council approved the first stage so now can they apply for the further funding.

A lone individual using his own money to finance a project/ bid might have the money right now for this section of the application but he surely doesn't have an unlimited pot of money for all of the future costs?

It has stood empty and sad for years, with 400+ locals putting their hand in their pocket and supporting Bradford One momentum will not be lost by an extra month while money is secured.

It will take a few million £ before building work even begins I find it hard to believe that a private individual will fork out all that from his own pocket and also have the best interests of the future of Bradford at heart.
[quote][p][bold]June Oh[/bold] wrote: Disappointing after this time one of the proposers isn't ready. I do hope that the Council will keep to the time table and not give extensions the fate of the building as been unanswered for more than long enough. Bradford Live is right a decision is needed and the work needed to commence, walked passed the Odeon and it is getting to look very sad, refurbishment work is long overdue.[/p][/quote]It isn't that one of the proposers isn't ready, they are ready, rather that certain types of funding can only be applied for once the council approved the first stage so now can they apply for the further funding. A lone individual using his own money to finance a project/ bid might have the money right now for this section of the application but he surely doesn't have an unlimited pot of money for all of the future costs? It has stood empty and sad for years, with 400+ locals putting their hand in their pocket and supporting Bradford One momentum will not be lost by an extra month while money is secured. It will take a few million £ before building work even begins I find it hard to believe that a private individual will fork out all that from his own pocket and also have the best interests of the future of Bradford at heart. Ruthydee
  • Score: 9

10:17am Mon 14 Apr 14

June Oh says...

Ruthydee wrote:
June Oh wrote:
Disappointing after this time one of the proposers isn't ready.
I do hope that the Council will keep to the time table and not give extensions the fate of the building as been unanswered for more than long enough.
Bradford Live is right a decision is needed and the work needed to commence, walked passed the Odeon and it is getting to look very sad, refurbishment work is long overdue.
It isn't that one of the proposers isn't ready, they are ready, rather that certain types of funding can only be applied for once the council approved the first stage so now can they apply for the further funding.

A lone individual using his own money to finance a project/ bid might have the money right now for this section of the application but he surely doesn't have an unlimited pot of money for all of the future costs?

It has stood empty and sad for years, with 400+ locals putting their hand in their pocket and supporting Bradford One momentum will not be lost by an extra month while money is secured.

It will take a few million £ before building work even begins I find it hard to believe that a private individual will fork out all that from his own pocket and also have the best interests of the future of Bradford at heart.
So are you saying Bradford might have to wait a very long time to see the work complete?
Sorry but I feel public interest and support will fade as the trees etc continue to grow out of the building.
[quote][p][bold]Ruthydee[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]June Oh[/bold] wrote: Disappointing after this time one of the proposers isn't ready. I do hope that the Council will keep to the time table and not give extensions the fate of the building as been unanswered for more than long enough. Bradford Live is right a decision is needed and the work needed to commence, walked passed the Odeon and it is getting to look very sad, refurbishment work is long overdue.[/p][/quote]It isn't that one of the proposers isn't ready, they are ready, rather that certain types of funding can only be applied for once the council approved the first stage so now can they apply for the further funding. A lone individual using his own money to finance a project/ bid might have the money right now for this section of the application but he surely doesn't have an unlimited pot of money for all of the future costs? It has stood empty and sad for years, with 400+ locals putting their hand in their pocket and supporting Bradford One momentum will not be lost by an extra month while money is secured. It will take a few million £ before building work even begins I find it hard to believe that a private individual will fork out all that from his own pocket and also have the best interests of the future of Bradford at heart.[/p][/quote]So are you saying Bradford might have to wait a very long time to see the work complete? Sorry but I feel public interest and support will fade as the trees etc continue to grow out of the building. June Oh
  • Score: 13

10:26am Mon 14 Apr 14

Ruthydee says...

June Oh wrote:
Ruthydee wrote:
June Oh wrote:
Disappointing after this time one of the proposers isn't ready.
I do hope that the Council will keep to the time table and not give extensions the fate of the building as been unanswered for more than long enough.
Bradford Live is right a decision is needed and the work needed to commence, walked passed the Odeon and it is getting to look very sad, refurbishment work is long overdue.
It isn't that one of the proposers isn't ready, they are ready, rather that certain types of funding can only be applied for once the council approved the first stage so now can they apply for the further funding.

A lone individual using his own money to finance a project/ bid might have the money right now for this section of the application but he surely doesn't have an unlimited pot of money for all of the future costs?

It has stood empty and sad for years, with 400+ locals putting their hand in their pocket and supporting Bradford One momentum will not be lost by an extra month while money is secured.

It will take a few million £ before building work even begins I find it hard to believe that a private individual will fork out all that from his own pocket and also have the best interests of the future of Bradford at heart.
So are you saying Bradford might have to wait a very long time to see the work complete?
Sorry but I feel public interest and support will fade as the trees etc continue to grow out of the building.
Not a very long time no, an extra month at this stage it is very short sighted to cause a fuss about.

By tapping into funds available to our city for regeneration and growth we aren't putting all our hopes and dreams of a better brighter city centre on just one person and their (or their families) personal bank balance. I feel that is a much safer bet and don't mind waiting and extra month for that long term certainty.

Haven't we all been let down by property developers in the past? Just look at Westfield, that's why we need to work this one a different way not make the same mistakes all over again.
[quote][p][bold]June Oh[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Ruthydee[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]June Oh[/bold] wrote: Disappointing after this time one of the proposers isn't ready. I do hope that the Council will keep to the time table and not give extensions the fate of the building as been unanswered for more than long enough. Bradford Live is right a decision is needed and the work needed to commence, walked passed the Odeon and it is getting to look very sad, refurbishment work is long overdue.[/p][/quote]It isn't that one of the proposers isn't ready, they are ready, rather that certain types of funding can only be applied for once the council approved the first stage so now can they apply for the further funding. A lone individual using his own money to finance a project/ bid might have the money right now for this section of the application but he surely doesn't have an unlimited pot of money for all of the future costs? It has stood empty and sad for years, with 400+ locals putting their hand in their pocket and supporting Bradford One momentum will not be lost by an extra month while money is secured. It will take a few million £ before building work even begins I find it hard to believe that a private individual will fork out all that from his own pocket and also have the best interests of the future of Bradford at heart.[/p][/quote]So are you saying Bradford might have to wait a very long time to see the work complete? Sorry but I feel public interest and support will fade as the trees etc continue to grow out of the building.[/p][/quote]Not a very long time no, an extra month at this stage it is very short sighted to cause a fuss about. By tapping into funds available to our city for regeneration and growth we aren't putting all our hopes and dreams of a better brighter city centre on just one person and their (or their families) personal bank balance. I feel that is a much safer bet and don't mind waiting and extra month for that long term certainty. Haven't we all been let down by property developers in the past? Just look at Westfield, that's why we need to work this one a different way not make the same mistakes all over again. Ruthydee
  • Score: 2

11:01am Mon 14 Apr 14

mattshaw says...

This project has suffered delay after delay after delay. You cannot indefinitely extend deadlines, whilst economic climates change, Westfield gets built, the building deteriorates further and different councillors with different agendas come and go. We need to strike whilst the iron is hot, whilst the council are favourable to the proposed schemes, and stop pussyfooting around and stick to the deadlines imposed, rather than wait for undisclosed amounts of time to find out if grants are available or not. If the project is wholly reliant upon grants, then I do not see this as a solid foundation on which to complete the project. Some private finance will be required, and I hope that Mr Craven of Bradford Live can deliver his scheme to put a 4,000 capacity music venue in the City.
This project has suffered delay after delay after delay. You cannot indefinitely extend deadlines, whilst economic climates change, Westfield gets built, the building deteriorates further and different councillors with different agendas come and go. We need to strike whilst the iron is hot, whilst the council are favourable to the proposed schemes, and stop pussyfooting around and stick to the deadlines imposed, rather than wait for undisclosed amounts of time to find out if grants are available or not. If the project is wholly reliant upon grants, then I do not see this as a solid foundation on which to complete the project. Some private finance will be required, and I hope that Mr Craven of Bradford Live can deliver his scheme to put a 4,000 capacity music venue in the City. mattshaw
  • Score: 19

12:43pm Mon 14 Apr 14

Ratters Rat says...

Why not link up with the British film industry and make it a centre for old films. Link this to the national media museum . The bingo hall could be converted to a museum of costumes and props. it has such potential .
People will say it can't be done but they said that about Royal Armouries and that's a success.
Why not link up with the British film industry and make it a centre for old films. Link this to the national media museum . The bingo hall could be converted to a museum of costumes and props. it has such potential . People will say it can't be done but they said that about Royal Armouries and that's a success. Ratters Rat
  • Score: -4

1:29pm Mon 14 Apr 14

johnhem says...

Ratters Rat wrote:
Why not link up with the British film industry and make it a centre for old films. Link this to the national media museum . The bingo hall could be converted to a museum of costumes and props. it has such potential .
People will say it can't be done but they said that about Royal Armouries and that's a success.
since when did the bingo hall come into the equation? why not the ice rink? or the students rooms? none of which I might add have anything to do with the film museum other than being in the same building block.
its like saying lets throw out the residents of flat 60 in a block of flats and theme it with one of the ground floor shops.
we have the film museum, now we want/need a music venue worth its salt. why the fixation on museums, which are grossly underused, whatever the cause/type. most museums are displaying pretty much of the same week in week out, music venues have varied artists all the time.
[quote][p][bold]Ratters Rat[/bold] wrote: Why not link up with the British film industry and make it a centre for old films. Link this to the national media museum . The bingo hall could be converted to a museum of costumes and props. it has such potential . People will say it can't be done but they said that about Royal Armouries and that's a success.[/p][/quote]since when did the bingo hall come into the equation? why not the ice rink? or the students rooms? none of which I might add have anything to do with the film museum other than being in the same building block. its like saying lets throw out the residents of flat 60 in a block of flats and theme it with one of the ground floor shops. we have the film museum, now we want/need a music venue worth its salt. why the fixation on museums, which are grossly underused, whatever the cause/type. most museums are displaying pretty much of the same week in week out, music venues have varied artists all the time. johnhem
  • Score: 12

1:40pm Mon 14 Apr 14

mattshaw says...

The proposals are already in for a music venue, it cannot be a 'film centre' now, and don't believe that would bring in a sufficient revenue stream anyway. It's only a matter of time before the Media Museum ups sticks and moves to Manchester anyway the way things are going.
The proposals are already in for a music venue, it cannot be a 'film centre' now, and don't believe that would bring in a sufficient revenue stream anyway. It's only a matter of time before the Media Museum ups sticks and moves to Manchester anyway the way things are going. mattshaw
  • Score: 8

2:05pm Mon 14 Apr 14

June Oh says...

mattshaw wrote:
The proposals are already in for a music venue, it cannot be a 'film centre' now, and don't believe that would bring in a sufficient revenue stream anyway. It's only a matter of time before the Media Museum ups sticks and moves to Manchester anyway the way things are going.
That's it a music venue, if both fail to impress the Council then it's the bulldozer .
Regarding Media Museum was there a bit over the past week and it does seem to lack people in there and looks a bit run down. Particularly the Pictureville cinema and its giant curved screen with hundres of black vertical lines spoiling the picture, looks well past its use by date. Needs a new screen I think and quick.
[quote][p][bold]mattshaw[/bold] wrote: The proposals are already in for a music venue, it cannot be a 'film centre' now, and don't believe that would bring in a sufficient revenue stream anyway. It's only a matter of time before the Media Museum ups sticks and moves to Manchester anyway the way things are going.[/p][/quote]That's it a music venue, if both fail to impress the Council then it's the bulldozer . Regarding Media Museum was there a bit over the past week and it does seem to lack people in there and looks a bit run down. Particularly the Pictureville cinema and its giant curved screen with hundres of black vertical lines spoiling the picture, looks well past its use by date. Needs a new screen I think and quick. June Oh
  • Score: 0

2:12pm Mon 14 Apr 14

Papa Smurfs Wig says...

Or option three to knock it down seeing as it is an ugly monstrosity of a redbrick eyesore that doesn't fit in with the traditional Yorkshire sandstone, oh yes it fits in with the latest concrete efforts.

Has anyone even thought about sourcing bands when Clear Channel control most of any bands that would really pull?

Many of us have pipe dreams but this place is nasty looking.

I really don't know why the council can't get funding for replacing the roof at the very very old and excellent looking St Georges Hall. Then again l doubt they want noisy bands as they don't fit in with the South Asian concept they are known to admire more.
Or option three to knock it down seeing as it is an ugly monstrosity of a redbrick eyesore that doesn't fit in with the traditional Yorkshire sandstone, oh yes it fits in with the latest concrete efforts. Has anyone even thought about sourcing bands when Clear Channel control most of any bands that would really pull? Many of us have pipe dreams but this place is nasty looking. I really don't know why the council can't get funding for replacing the roof at the very very old and excellent looking St Georges Hall. Then again l doubt they want noisy bands as they don't fit in with the South Asian concept they are known to admire more. Papa Smurfs Wig
  • Score: -11

2:15pm Mon 14 Apr 14

mattshaw says...

St Georges is well known to have bad acoustics and restricted viewing, terrible idea, although the T&A would love that!
St Georges is well known to have bad acoustics and restricted viewing, terrible idea, although the T&A would love that! mattshaw
  • Score: 7

2:20pm Mon 14 Apr 14

Joedavid says...

mattshaw wrote:
St Georges is well known to have bad acoustics and restricted viewing, terrible idea, although the T&A would love that!
Terrible uncomfortable seats in the tiered section where most of the seats are for long leg and tall people.
New Victoria (Odeon) had none of these problems.
[quote][p][bold]mattshaw[/bold] wrote: St Georges is well known to have bad acoustics and restricted viewing, terrible idea, although the T&A would love that![/p][/quote]Terrible uncomfortable seats in the tiered section where most of the seats are for long leg and tall people. New Victoria (Odeon) had none of these problems. Joedavid
  • Score: 8

2:23pm Mon 14 Apr 14

mattshaw says...

Joedavid wrote:
mattshaw wrote:
St Georges is well known to have bad acoustics and restricted viewing, terrible idea, although the T&A would love that!
Terrible uncomfortable seats in the tiered section where most of the seats are for long leg and tall people.
New Victoria (Odeon) had none of these problems.
And a raked floor, perfect for standing and watching music.
[quote][p][bold]Joedavid[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]mattshaw[/bold] wrote: St Georges is well known to have bad acoustics and restricted viewing, terrible idea, although the T&A would love that![/p][/quote]Terrible uncomfortable seats in the tiered section where most of the seats are for long leg and tall people. New Victoria (Odeon) had none of these problems.[/p][/quote]And a raked floor, perfect for standing and watching music. mattshaw
  • Score: 10

2:40pm Mon 14 Apr 14

Out of site says...

Why not turn it into a mosque
Why not turn it into a mosque Out of site
  • Score: -14

2:41pm Mon 14 Apr 14

MrQuinque says...

Sounds like the Bradford One bid is vaporware, which is probably why they proposed a merger with Bradford Live, so people didn't realise they'd had their money wasted.

No way should we have to wait until November for a decision, frankly I'd like to see one made before the local elections in May that way it might actually open by the time Broadway is done.
Sounds like the Bradford One bid is vaporware, which is probably why they proposed a merger with Bradford Live, so people didn't realise they'd had their money wasted. No way should we have to wait until November for a decision, frankly I'd like to see one made before the local elections in May that way it might actually open by the time Broadway is done. MrQuinque
  • Score: 9

2:51pm Mon 14 Apr 14

Papa Smurfs Wig says...

I'm over 6ft talk and l've sat all over in the seating and l was fine so that is not valid. Because the Hall is old (opened 1853) It has the odd few seats that have a slight bad view. It is the oldext concert hall in the country and if it's good enough for the Halle Orchestra then the accoustics are fine especially for the bands you lot are going on about in those dreams.
This is by far a more beautiful building out of the two.
I expected a negative feedback from the site Liberals.
I'm over 6ft talk and l've sat all over in the seating and l was fine so that is not valid. Because the Hall is old (opened 1853) It has the odd few seats that have a slight bad view. It is the oldext concert hall in the country and if it's good enough for the Halle Orchestra then the accoustics are fine especially for the bands you lot are going on about in those dreams. This is by far a more beautiful building out of the two. I expected a negative feedback from the site Liberals. Papa Smurfs Wig
  • Score: -4

3:08pm Mon 14 Apr 14

Out of site says...

Just knock it down,what a waste of time and money
Just knock it down,what a waste of time and money Out of site
  • Score: -15

3:15pm Mon 14 Apr 14

MrQuinque says...

Out of site wrote:
Just knock it down,what a waste of time and money
That's very helpful, I suppose you'd prefere another empty concrete filing cabinet like the JMC/Thomas Cook building?
[quote][p][bold]Out of site[/bold] wrote: Just knock it down,what a waste of time and money[/p][/quote]That's very helpful, I suppose you'd prefere another empty concrete filing cabinet like the JMC/Thomas Cook building? MrQuinque
  • Score: 9

3:56pm Mon 14 Apr 14

BierleyBoy says...

Ruthydee wrote:
June Oh wrote:
Ruthydee wrote:
June Oh wrote:
Disappointing after this time one of the proposers isn't ready.
I do hope that the Council will keep to the time table and not give extensions the fate of the building as been unanswered for more than long enough.
Bradford Live is right a decision is needed and the work needed to commence, walked passed the Odeon and it is getting to look very sad, refurbishment work is long overdue.
It isn't that one of the proposers isn't ready, they are ready, rather that certain types of funding can only be applied for once the council approved the first stage so now can they apply for the further funding.

A lone individual using his own money to finance a project/ bid might have the money right now for this section of the application but he surely doesn't have an unlimited pot of money for all of the future costs?

It has stood empty and sad for years, with 400+ locals putting their hand in their pocket and supporting Bradford One momentum will not be lost by an extra month while money is secured.

It will take a few million £ before building work even begins I find it hard to believe that a private individual will fork out all that from his own pocket and also have the best interests of the future of Bradford at heart.
So are you saying Bradford might have to wait a very long time to see the work complete?
Sorry but I feel public interest and support will fade as the trees etc continue to grow out of the building.
Not a very long time no, an extra month at this stage it is very short sighted to cause a fuss about.

By tapping into funds available to our city for regeneration and growth we aren't putting all our hopes and dreams of a better brighter city centre on just one person and their (or their families) personal bank balance. I feel that is a much safer bet and don't mind waiting and extra month for that long term certainty.

Haven't we all been let down by property developers in the past? Just look at Westfield, that's why we need to work this one a different way not make the same mistakes all over again.
Unless you failed to notice, there isn't an endless supply of public money either. Why should those of us who will never use the Odeon pay for it?

Yours is the typical 'let someone else pay for the cost' attitude that sees billions in public money poured down the drain. How much has been wasted so far through Yorkshire Forward & the HCA on this building?

It's been stood unused for well over a decade. If it can't be run on a commercially viable basis it should be flattened. Carrying on this charade is living in the past.
[quote][p][bold]Ruthydee[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]June Oh[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Ruthydee[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]June Oh[/bold] wrote: Disappointing after this time one of the proposers isn't ready. I do hope that the Council will keep to the time table and not give extensions the fate of the building as been unanswered for more than long enough. Bradford Live is right a decision is needed and the work needed to commence, walked passed the Odeon and it is getting to look very sad, refurbishment work is long overdue.[/p][/quote]It isn't that one of the proposers isn't ready, they are ready, rather that certain types of funding can only be applied for once the council approved the first stage so now can they apply for the further funding. A lone individual using his own money to finance a project/ bid might have the money right now for this section of the application but he surely doesn't have an unlimited pot of money for all of the future costs? It has stood empty and sad for years, with 400+ locals putting their hand in their pocket and supporting Bradford One momentum will not be lost by an extra month while money is secured. It will take a few million £ before building work even begins I find it hard to believe that a private individual will fork out all that from his own pocket and also have the best interests of the future of Bradford at heart.[/p][/quote]So are you saying Bradford might have to wait a very long time to see the work complete? Sorry but I feel public interest and support will fade as the trees etc continue to grow out of the building.[/p][/quote]Not a very long time no, an extra month at this stage it is very short sighted to cause a fuss about. By tapping into funds available to our city for regeneration and growth we aren't putting all our hopes and dreams of a better brighter city centre on just one person and their (or their families) personal bank balance. I feel that is a much safer bet and don't mind waiting and extra month for that long term certainty. Haven't we all been let down by property developers in the past? Just look at Westfield, that's why we need to work this one a different way not make the same mistakes all over again.[/p][/quote]Unless you failed to notice, there isn't an endless supply of public money either. Why should those of us who will never use the Odeon pay for it? Yours is the typical 'let someone else pay for the cost' attitude that sees billions in public money poured down the drain. How much has been wasted so far through Yorkshire Forward & the HCA on this building? It's been stood unused for well over a decade. If it can't be run on a commercially viable basis it should be flattened. Carrying on this charade is living in the past. BierleyBoy
  • Score: -7

4:33pm Mon 14 Apr 14

alive and awake says...

pull it down
pull it down alive and awake
  • Score: -11

5:52pm Mon 14 Apr 14

Not so simple says...

Prime property in any other city or town would never have been left empty or allowed to deteriorate over such a long period of time: welcome to forward thinking Bradford as they have numerous buildings within the district just sat there wasting away!

This entire chaos with empty property in Bradford is nothing short of scandalous and on a serious note heads must roll to ensure that this habit of leaving empty properties to rot does not set in.

Surrounding cities and towns have managed to pool resources to utilise empty property: Bradford needs intensive care
Prime property in any other city or town would never have been left empty or allowed to deteriorate over such a long period of time: welcome to forward thinking Bradford as they have numerous buildings within the district just sat there wasting away! This entire chaos with empty property in Bradford is nothing short of scandalous and on a serious note heads must roll to ensure that this habit of leaving empty properties to rot does not set in. Surrounding cities and towns have managed to pool resources to utilise empty property: Bradford needs intensive care Not so simple
  • Score: 11

6:29pm Mon 14 Apr 14

MrQuinque says...

BierleyBoy wrote:
Ruthydee wrote:
June Oh wrote:
Ruthydee wrote:
June Oh wrote:
Disappointing after this time one of the proposers isn't ready.
I do hope that the Council will keep to the time table and not give extensions the fate of the building as been unanswered for more than long enough.
Bradford Live is right a decision is needed and the work needed to commence, walked passed the Odeon and it is getting to look very sad, refurbishment work is long overdue.
It isn't that one of the proposers isn't ready, they are ready, rather that certain types of funding can only be applied for once the council approved the first stage so now can they apply for the further funding.

A lone individual using his own money to finance a project/ bid might have the money right now for this section of the application but he surely doesn't have an unlimited pot of money for all of the future costs?

It has stood empty and sad for years, with 400+ locals putting their hand in their pocket and supporting Bradford One momentum will not be lost by an extra month while money is secured.

It will take a few million £ before building work even begins I find it hard to believe that a private individual will fork out all that from his own pocket and also have the best interests of the future of Bradford at heart.
So are you saying Bradford might have to wait a very long time to see the work complete?
Sorry but I feel public interest and support will fade as the trees etc continue to grow out of the building.
Not a very long time no, an extra month at this stage it is very short sighted to cause a fuss about.

By tapping into funds available to our city for regeneration and growth we aren't putting all our hopes and dreams of a better brighter city centre on just one person and their (or their families) personal bank balance. I feel that is a much safer bet and don't mind waiting and extra month for that long term certainty.

Haven't we all been let down by property developers in the past? Just look at Westfield, that's why we need to work this one a different way not make the same mistakes all over again.
Unless you failed to notice, there isn't an endless supply of public money either. Why should those of us who will never use the Odeon pay for it?

Yours is the typical 'let someone else pay for the cost' attitude that sees billions in public money poured down the drain. How much has been wasted so far through Yorkshire Forward & the HCA on this building?

It's been stood unused for well over a decade. If it can't be run on a commercially viable basis it should be flattened. Carrying on this charade is living in the past.
HCA and Yorkshire forward didn't spend a penny on the building, they left it to go to ruin because they wanted it demolished and replaced.

The only money yorkshire forward wasted was its own running costs.
[quote][p][bold]BierleyBoy[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Ruthydee[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]June Oh[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Ruthydee[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]June Oh[/bold] wrote: Disappointing after this time one of the proposers isn't ready. I do hope that the Council will keep to the time table and not give extensions the fate of the building as been unanswered for more than long enough. Bradford Live is right a decision is needed and the work needed to commence, walked passed the Odeon and it is getting to look very sad, refurbishment work is long overdue.[/p][/quote]It isn't that one of the proposers isn't ready, they are ready, rather that certain types of funding can only be applied for once the council approved the first stage so now can they apply for the further funding. A lone individual using his own money to finance a project/ bid might have the money right now for this section of the application but he surely doesn't have an unlimited pot of money for all of the future costs? It has stood empty and sad for years, with 400+ locals putting their hand in their pocket and supporting Bradford One momentum will not be lost by an extra month while money is secured. It will take a few million £ before building work even begins I find it hard to believe that a private individual will fork out all that from his own pocket and also have the best interests of the future of Bradford at heart.[/p][/quote]So are you saying Bradford might have to wait a very long time to see the work complete? Sorry but I feel public interest and support will fade as the trees etc continue to grow out of the building.[/p][/quote]Not a very long time no, an extra month at this stage it is very short sighted to cause a fuss about. By tapping into funds available to our city for regeneration and growth we aren't putting all our hopes and dreams of a better brighter city centre on just one person and their (or their families) personal bank balance. I feel that is a much safer bet and don't mind waiting and extra month for that long term certainty. Haven't we all been let down by property developers in the past? Just look at Westfield, that's why we need to work this one a different way not make the same mistakes all over again.[/p][/quote]Unless you failed to notice, there isn't an endless supply of public money either. Why should those of us who will never use the Odeon pay for it? Yours is the typical 'let someone else pay for the cost' attitude that sees billions in public money poured down the drain. How much has been wasted so far through Yorkshire Forward & the HCA on this building? It's been stood unused for well over a decade. If it can't be run on a commercially viable basis it should be flattened. Carrying on this charade is living in the past.[/p][/quote]HCA and Yorkshire forward didn't spend a penny on the building, they left it to go to ruin because they wanted it demolished and replaced. The only money yorkshire forward wasted was its own running costs. MrQuinque
  • Score: 10

6:49pm Mon 14 Apr 14

bcfc1903 says...

It's a no brainer, Bradford Live has everything in place now, why the wait until November, it seems a complete waste of time. Bradford Live is the only viable scheme which has the capacity to succeed, Bradford One is neither one thing or the other, Bradford Live with it's capacity of 4,000 could attract world class artists and major conferences. What on earth are Bradford council waiting until November for, what will change in that time, I suggest nothing. The building will only deteriorate more while nothing is done!! I've praised Bradford council recently, I hope they are not slipping into their old 'do nothing' ways, Bradford, a city of 523,000 folk deserves a first class music venue, let's get cracking!!!!!!!!
It's a no brainer, Bradford Live has everything in place now, why the wait until November, it seems a complete waste of time. Bradford Live is the only viable scheme which has the capacity to succeed, Bradford One is neither one thing or the other, Bradford Live with it's capacity of 4,000 could attract world class artists and major conferences. What on earth are Bradford council waiting until November for, what will change in that time, I suggest nothing. The building will only deteriorate more while nothing is done!! I've praised Bradford council recently, I hope they are not slipping into their old 'do nothing' ways, Bradford, a city of 523,000 folk deserves a first class music venue, let's get cracking!!!!!!!! bcfc1903
  • Score: 12

9:31pm Mon 14 Apr 14

johnhem says...

Papa Smurfs Wig wrote:
I'm over 6ft talk and l've sat all over in the seating and l was fine so that is not valid. Because the Hall is old (opened 1853) It has the odd few seats that have a slight bad view. It is the oldext concert hall in the country and if it's good enough for the Halle Orchestra then the accoustics are fine especially for the bands you lot are going on about in those dreams.
This is by far a more beautiful building out of the two.
I expected a negative feedback from the site Liberals.
I've been to concerts at St. Georges in the late 60's/early 70's and I've moved on since then. unfortunately the hall hasn't, its still small, cramped and cr@p sound for those with an ear for music. you could always have a whip round for funds to improve it and use it as an alternative to the odeon for the small stuff like halle orch.
those bands from the 60/70's were breaking ground in music and until you got in a large venue you didn't really know what you were missing.
as for the seats after reading your " slight bad view" comment, absolute rubbish. if you tries to drive with as much limited windscreen as you have stage view on some of those seats you'd have a fine and penalty points as soon as they saw you, or when they come to clear up the accident because you COULD'NT see.
[quote][p][bold]Papa Smurfs Wig[/bold] wrote: I'm over 6ft talk and l've sat all over in the seating and l was fine so that is not valid. Because the Hall is old (opened 1853) It has the odd few seats that have a slight bad view. It is the oldext concert hall in the country and if it's good enough for the Halle Orchestra then the accoustics are fine especially for the bands you lot are going on about in those dreams. This is by far a more beautiful building out of the two. I expected a negative feedback from the site Liberals.[/p][/quote]I've been to concerts at St. Georges in the late 60's/early 70's and I've moved on since then. unfortunately the hall hasn't, its still small, cramped and cr@p sound for those with an ear for music. you could always have a whip round for funds to improve it and use it as an alternative to the odeon for the small stuff like halle orch. those bands from the 60/70's were breaking ground in music and until you got in a large venue you didn't really know what you were missing. as for the seats after reading your " slight bad view" comment, absolute rubbish. if you tries to drive with as much limited windscreen as you have stage view on some of those seats you'd have a fine and penalty points as soon as they saw you, or when they come to clear up the accident because you COULD'NT see. johnhem
  • Score: 1

10:49pm Mon 14 Apr 14

Papa Smurfs Wig says...

bcfc1903 wrote:
It's a no brainer, Bradford Live has everything in place now, why the wait until November, it seems a complete waste of time. Bradford Live is the only viable scheme which has the capacity to succeed, Bradford One is neither one thing or the other, Bradford Live with it's capacity of 4,000 could attract world class artists and major conferences. What on earth are Bradford council waiting until November for, what will change in that time, I suggest nothing. The building will only deteriorate more while nothing is done!! I've praised Bradford council recently, I hope they are not slipping into their old 'do nothing' ways, Bradford, a city of 523,000 folk deserves a first class music venue, let's get cracking!!!!!!!!
You say "could attract bands" i guess you mean some quite large ones. Name the bands you think that will come here please.
[quote][p][bold]bcfc1903[/bold] wrote: It's a no brainer, Bradford Live has everything in place now, why the wait until November, it seems a complete waste of time. Bradford Live is the only viable scheme which has the capacity to succeed, Bradford One is neither one thing or the other, Bradford Live with it's capacity of 4,000 could attract world class artists and major conferences. What on earth are Bradford council waiting until November for, what will change in that time, I suggest nothing. The building will only deteriorate more while nothing is done!! I've praised Bradford council recently, I hope they are not slipping into their old 'do nothing' ways, Bradford, a city of 523,000 folk deserves a first class music venue, let's get cracking!!!!!!!![/p][/quote]You say "could attract bands" i guess you mean some quite large ones. Name the bands you think that will come here please. Papa Smurfs Wig
  • Score: -7

11:11pm Mon 14 Apr 14

Papa Smurfs Wig says...

mattshaw wrote:
St Georges is well known to have bad acoustics and restricted viewing, terrible idea, although the T&A would love that!
Are you sure the acoustics are poor at the St Grorges Hall? Ibcould ask my sound engineer pal if you like who worked the hall for years.
Are you also dure that the acoustics are any better at the old Odeon or is it a trial and error process, spend millions then find out?
[quote][p][bold]mattshaw[/bold] wrote: St Georges is well known to have bad acoustics and restricted viewing, terrible idea, although the T&A would love that![/p][/quote]Are you sure the acoustics are poor at the St Grorges Hall? Ibcould ask my sound engineer pal if you like who worked the hall for years. Are you also dure that the acoustics are any better at the old Odeon or is it a trial and error process, spend millions then find out? Papa Smurfs Wig
  • Score: -1

11:21pm Mon 14 Apr 14

Ratters Rat says...

We don't a live venue we have Leeds. So many people knock St Georges hall well it can't be that bad its been standing 70 plus years and has a wide range of uses.
Clearly some peoples comments show they have little knowledge of the Ocean so before giving opinions might I suggest you go view on you tube it has a wide range of uses there was a bingo hall at one stage to the left of the cinema entrance. A vast room that is still like it was when it closed. It also had a large restaurant which I believe was bricked up it windows and entrance were on Thornton Road.
The reason I suggested a place for the British industry to have a museum is the projecters are still in the building. Many good quality films were made in the UK what a shame they are in achieves not forgetting Bollywood films also.
We need something new and different. The person who made a comment about museums clearly hasn't visited many they have to move with the times having visited MGM's studios in the states if we did half of what they did we would be on to a winner . DreamWorks have a tour in Australia of how they make films totally fascinating for all ages to bring something like that to the UK and Bradford would put us on the world stage.
Yes we have the media museum but to add this to it would henance our city.
Music venue forget it !!!
We don't a live venue we have Leeds. So many people knock St Georges hall well it can't be that bad its been standing 70 plus years and has a wide range of uses. Clearly some peoples comments show they have little knowledge of the Ocean so before giving opinions might I suggest you go view on you tube it has a wide range of uses there was a bingo hall at one stage to the left of the cinema entrance. A vast room that is still like it was when it closed. It also had a large restaurant which I believe was bricked up it windows and entrance were on Thornton Road. The reason I suggested a place for the British industry to have a museum is the projecters are still in the building. Many good quality films were made in the UK what a shame they are in achieves not forgetting Bollywood films also. We need something new and different. The person who made a comment about museums clearly hasn't visited many they have to move with the times having visited MGM's studios in the states if we did half of what they did we would be on to a winner . DreamWorks have a tour in Australia of how they make films totally fascinating for all ages to bring something like that to the UK and Bradford would put us on the world stage. Yes we have the media museum but to add this to it would henance our city. Music venue forget it !!! Ratters Rat
  • Score: -4

11:33pm Mon 14 Apr 14

Papa Smurfs Wig says...

So you may have sat in every seat in the house, how many bad vantage points are there? From what l saw from my time there it is rather minimal and the odd few seats with a restricted view don't have to be sold.
Years ago the stage was extended mainly to cover more stage dancing events. The stage could easily be cut back allowing a couple of hundred more people and extended when needed.
The hall needs some modernising as it is a very old place but its a much better looking place than that eyesore you and others are backing.
So you may have sat in every seat in the house, how many bad vantage points are there? From what l saw from my time there it is rather minimal and the odd few seats with a restricted view don't have to be sold. Years ago the stage was extended mainly to cover more stage dancing events. The stage could easily be cut back allowing a couple of hundred more people and extended when needed. The hall needs some modernising as it is a very old place but its a much better looking place than that eyesore you and others are backing. Papa Smurfs Wig
  • Score: -2

11:39pm Mon 14 Apr 14

mrs walker says...

Papa Smurfs Wig wrote:
bcfc1903 wrote:
It's a no brainer, Bradford Live has everything in place now, why the wait until November, it seems a complete waste of time. Bradford Live is the only viable scheme which has the capacity to succeed, Bradford One is neither one thing or the other, Bradford Live with it's capacity of 4,000 could attract world class artists and major conferences. What on earth are Bradford council waiting until November for, what will change in that time, I suggest nothing. The building will only deteriorate more while nothing is done!! I've praised Bradford council recently, I hope they are not slipping into their old 'do nothing' ways, Bradford, a city of 523,000 folk deserves a first class music venue, let's get cracking!!!!!!!!
You say "could attract bands" i guess you mean some quite large ones. Name the bands you think that will come here please.
A quick Google of similar-sized venues shows that The Saturdays, Passenger, Susan Boyle, Little Mix, London Grammar, Lee Evans, Peter Andre, Paloma Faith, Jools Holland, Status Quo, The Human League, McBusted, The Seekers, Pet Shop Boys, Frank Skinner, Joan Rivers, Nine Inch Nails, Ant and Dec, Dolly Parton, Riverdance and Bryan Adams are all touring venues of approximately 3,500-5000 capacity at the moment.
[quote][p][bold]Papa Smurfs Wig[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]bcfc1903[/bold] wrote: It's a no brainer, Bradford Live has everything in place now, why the wait until November, it seems a complete waste of time. Bradford Live is the only viable scheme which has the capacity to succeed, Bradford One is neither one thing or the other, Bradford Live with it's capacity of 4,000 could attract world class artists and major conferences. What on earth are Bradford council waiting until November for, what will change in that time, I suggest nothing. The building will only deteriorate more while nothing is done!! I've praised Bradford council recently, I hope they are not slipping into their old 'do nothing' ways, Bradford, a city of 523,000 folk deserves a first class music venue, let's get cracking!!!!!!!![/p][/quote]You say "could attract bands" i guess you mean some quite large ones. Name the bands you think that will come here please.[/p][/quote]A quick Google of similar-sized venues shows that The Saturdays, Passenger, Susan Boyle, Little Mix, London Grammar, Lee Evans, Peter Andre, Paloma Faith, Jools Holland, Status Quo, The Human League, McBusted, The Seekers, Pet Shop Boys, Frank Skinner, Joan Rivers, Nine Inch Nails, Ant and Dec, Dolly Parton, Riverdance and Bryan Adams are all touring venues of approximately 3,500-5000 capacity at the moment. mrs walker
  • Score: 8

11:42pm Mon 14 Apr 14

mrs walker says...

Papa Smurfs Wig wrote:
mattshaw wrote:
St Georges is well known to have bad acoustics and restricted viewing, terrible idea, although the T&A would love that!
Are you sure the acoustics are poor at the St Grorges Hall? Ibcould ask my sound engineer pal if you like who worked the hall for years.
Are you also dure that the acoustics are any better at the old Odeon or is it a trial and error process, spend millions then find out?
George's Hall is fantastic for classical music - orchestras etc. It's awful for Rock and Pop.
[quote][p][bold]Papa Smurfs Wig[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]mattshaw[/bold] wrote: St Georges is well known to have bad acoustics and restricted viewing, terrible idea, although the T&A would love that![/p][/quote]Are you sure the acoustics are poor at the St Grorges Hall? Ibcould ask my sound engineer pal if you like who worked the hall for years. Are you also dure that the acoustics are any better at the old Odeon or is it a trial and error process, spend millions then find out?[/p][/quote]George's Hall is fantastic for classical music - orchestras etc. It's awful for Rock and Pop. mrs walker
  • Score: 5

11:45pm Mon 14 Apr 14

mattshaw says...

St Georges is NOT a good music venue Papa! The Odeon was built for performance with a larger fan shaped auditorium and raked stage, and at the most prominent position in the city, next to the Alhambra. Do you work for the T&A papa?!!!
St Georges is NOT a good music venue Papa! The Odeon was built for performance with a larger fan shaped auditorium and raked stage, and at the most prominent position in the city, next to the Alhambra. Do you work for the T&A papa?!!! mattshaw
  • Score: 6

12:01am Tue 15 Apr 14

mrs walker says...

This is interesting and shows comparative venue sizes (link below). If it's marketed well, Bradford could be ideal for a very central venue - easy to find, handy for transport links and - if you come from Leeds - no need to rush out early to catch the last train (as we Bradfordians have to in Leeds!)

And before the naysayers jump down my throat, little social clubs in Leeds and Hebden Bridge get the likes of Patti Smith and Nouvelle Vague. And a converted cinema in a small market town called Holmfirth gets KT Tunstall, Badly Drawn Boy, Fun Lovin Criminals, Steve Harley & Cockney Rebel, Hayseed Dixie, Alabama 3, Joan Armatrading, Ocean Colour Scene, Imelda May, Newton Faulkner...

Think big. Dream big. The alternative is to scuttle along in our own misery wishing we were 'good enough'.

http://www.bigliveac
ts.co.uk/venues.php?
category=12
This is interesting and shows comparative venue sizes (link below). If it's marketed well, Bradford could be ideal for a very central venue - easy to find, handy for transport links and - if you come from Leeds - no need to rush out early to catch the last train (as we Bradfordians have to in Leeds!) And before the naysayers jump down my throat, little social clubs in Leeds and Hebden Bridge get the likes of Patti Smith and Nouvelle Vague. And a converted cinema in a small market town called Holmfirth gets KT Tunstall, Badly Drawn Boy, Fun Lovin Criminals, Steve Harley & Cockney Rebel, Hayseed Dixie, Alabama 3, Joan Armatrading, Ocean Colour Scene, Imelda May, Newton Faulkner... Think big. Dream big. The alternative is to scuttle along in our own misery wishing we were 'good enough'. http://www.bigliveac ts.co.uk/venues.php? category=12 mrs walker
  • Score: 7

12:04am Tue 15 Apr 14

mattshaw says...

Familiar and a regular at the venues you mention Mrs Walker, Trades, Brude, Picturedrome.
Familiar and a regular at the venues you mention Mrs Walker, Trades, Brude, Picturedrome. mattshaw
  • Score: 5

8:26am Tue 15 Apr 14

Avro says...

Another year down the line and another year of delapidation, slowly but surely heading for demolition!
Another year down the line and another year of delapidation, slowly but surely heading for demolition! Avro
  • Score: -5

9:19am Tue 15 Apr 14

bcfc1903 says...

Papa Smurfs Wig wrote:
bcfc1903 wrote:
It's a no brainer, Bradford Live has everything in place now, why the wait until November, it seems a complete waste of time. Bradford Live is the only viable scheme which has the capacity to succeed, Bradford One is neither one thing or the other, Bradford Live with it's capacity of 4,000 could attract world class artists and major conferences. What on earth are Bradford council waiting until November for, what will change in that time, I suggest nothing. The building will only deteriorate more while nothing is done!! I've praised Bradford council recently, I hope they are not slipping into their old 'do nothing' ways, Bradford, a city of 523,000 folk deserves a first class music venue, let's get cracking!!!!!!!!
You say "could attract bands" i guess you mean some quite large ones. Name the bands you think that will come here please.
My personal favourite would be Paul Rodgers. I'll leave the rest to others but it's hardly rocket science is it!!!!
[quote][p][bold]Papa Smurfs Wig[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]bcfc1903[/bold] wrote: It's a no brainer, Bradford Live has everything in place now, why the wait until November, it seems a complete waste of time. Bradford Live is the only viable scheme which has the capacity to succeed, Bradford One is neither one thing or the other, Bradford Live with it's capacity of 4,000 could attract world class artists and major conferences. What on earth are Bradford council waiting until November for, what will change in that time, I suggest nothing. The building will only deteriorate more while nothing is done!! I've praised Bradford council recently, I hope they are not slipping into their old 'do nothing' ways, Bradford, a city of 523,000 folk deserves a first class music venue, let's get cracking!!!!!!!![/p][/quote]You say "could attract bands" i guess you mean some quite large ones. Name the bands you think that will come here please.[/p][/quote]My personal favourite would be Paul Rodgers. I'll leave the rest to others but it's hardly rocket science is it!!!! bcfc1903
  • Score: 4

2:24am Wed 16 Apr 14

Arhmen Noleg says...

MrQuinque wrote:
BierleyBoy wrote:
Ruthydee wrote:
June Oh wrote:
Ruthydee wrote:
June Oh wrote:
Disappointing after this time one of the proposers isn't ready.
I do hope that the Council will keep to the time table and not give extensions the fate of the building as been unanswered for more than long enough.
Bradford Live is right a decision is needed and the work needed to commence, walked passed the Odeon and it is getting to look very sad, refurbishment work is long overdue.
It isn't that one of the proposers isn't ready, they are ready, rather that certain types of funding can only be applied for once the council approved the first stage so now can they apply for the further funding.

A lone individual using his own money to finance a project/ bid might have the money right now for this section of the application but he surely doesn't have an unlimited pot of money for all of the future costs?

It has stood empty and sad for years, with 400+ locals putting their hand in their pocket and supporting Bradford One momentum will not be lost by an extra month while money is secured.

It will take a few million £ before building work even begins I find it hard to believe that a private individual will fork out all that from his own pocket and also have the best interests of the future of Bradford at heart.
So are you saying Bradford might have to wait a very long time to see the work complete?
Sorry but I feel public interest and support will fade as the trees etc continue to grow out of the building.
Not a very long time no, an extra month at this stage it is very short sighted to cause a fuss about.

By tapping into funds available to our city for regeneration and growth we aren't putting all our hopes and dreams of a better brighter city centre on just one person and their (or their families) personal bank balance. I feel that is a much safer bet and don't mind waiting and extra month for that long term certainty.

Haven't we all been let down by property developers in the past? Just look at Westfield, that's why we need to work this one a different way not make the same mistakes all over again.
Unless you failed to notice, there isn't an endless supply of public money either. Why should those of us who will never use the Odeon pay for it?

Yours is the typical 'let someone else pay for the cost' attitude that sees billions in public money poured down the drain. How much has been wasted so far through Yorkshire Forward & the HCA on this building?

It's been stood unused for well over a decade. If it can't be run on a commercially viable basis it should be flattened. Carrying on this charade is living in the past.
HCA and Yorkshire forward didn't spend a penny on the building, they left it to go to ruin because they wanted it demolished and replaced.

The only money yorkshire forward wasted was its own running costs.
Not quite right,
HCA erected the scaffold and spent one million removing trees,asbestos and fixing leaks in the roof,albeit on a short term method.

Running up to opening the puddle.
[quote][p][bold]MrQuinque[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]BierleyBoy[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Ruthydee[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]June Oh[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Ruthydee[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]June Oh[/bold] wrote: Disappointing after this time one of the proposers isn't ready. I do hope that the Council will keep to the time table and not give extensions the fate of the building as been unanswered for more than long enough. Bradford Live is right a decision is needed and the work needed to commence, walked passed the Odeon and it is getting to look very sad, refurbishment work is long overdue.[/p][/quote]It isn't that one of the proposers isn't ready, they are ready, rather that certain types of funding can only be applied for once the council approved the first stage so now can they apply for the further funding. A lone individual using his own money to finance a project/ bid might have the money right now for this section of the application but he surely doesn't have an unlimited pot of money for all of the future costs? It has stood empty and sad for years, with 400+ locals putting their hand in their pocket and supporting Bradford One momentum will not be lost by an extra month while money is secured. It will take a few million £ before building work even begins I find it hard to believe that a private individual will fork out all that from his own pocket and also have the best interests of the future of Bradford at heart.[/p][/quote]So are you saying Bradford might have to wait a very long time to see the work complete? Sorry but I feel public interest and support will fade as the trees etc continue to grow out of the building.[/p][/quote]Not a very long time no, an extra month at this stage it is very short sighted to cause a fuss about. By tapping into funds available to our city for regeneration and growth we aren't putting all our hopes and dreams of a better brighter city centre on just one person and their (or their families) personal bank balance. I feel that is a much safer bet and don't mind waiting and extra month for that long term certainty. Haven't we all been let down by property developers in the past? Just look at Westfield, that's why we need to work this one a different way not make the same mistakes all over again.[/p][/quote]Unless you failed to notice, there isn't an endless supply of public money either. Why should those of us who will never use the Odeon pay for it? Yours is the typical 'let someone else pay for the cost' attitude that sees billions in public money poured down the drain. How much has been wasted so far through Yorkshire Forward & the HCA on this building? It's been stood unused for well over a decade. If it can't be run on a commercially viable basis it should be flattened. Carrying on this charade is living in the past.[/p][/quote]HCA and Yorkshire forward didn't spend a penny on the building, they left it to go to ruin because they wanted it demolished and replaced. The only money yorkshire forward wasted was its own running costs.[/p][/quote]Not quite right, HCA erected the scaffold and spent one million removing trees,asbestos and fixing leaks in the roof,albeit on a short term method. Running up to opening the puddle. Arhmen Noleg
  • Score: 0

10:11am Wed 16 Apr 14

bcfc1903 says...

Yorkshire Forward vandalised the Odeon as they had an agenda with the Leeds Arena, an absolutely disgraceful set of circumstances played out culminating in the cutting of water pipes in the building leading to serious damage to the interior.

I still does make you wonder why Bradford Council are dragging their heels in regards to the two schemes, it seems clear that Bradford Live is the only viable scheme and the decision should be made now not in November. At a time when Bradford is regenerating this baulking on a decision seems strange to say the least.
Yorkshire Forward vandalised the Odeon as they had an agenda with the Leeds Arena, an absolutely disgraceful set of circumstances played out culminating in the cutting of water pipes in the building leading to serious damage to the interior. I still does make you wonder why Bradford Council are dragging their heels in regards to the two schemes, it seems clear that Bradford Live is the only viable scheme and the decision should be made now not in November. At a time when Bradford is regenerating this baulking on a decision seems strange to say the least. bcfc1903
  • Score: 5

10:33am Wed 16 Apr 14

June Oh says...

bcfc1903 wrote:
Yorkshire Forward vandalised the Odeon as they had an agenda with the Leeds Arena, an absolutely disgraceful set of circumstances played out culminating in the cutting of water pipes in the building leading to serious damage to the interior.

I still does make you wonder why Bradford Council are dragging their heels in regards to the two schemes, it seems clear that Bradford Live is the only viable scheme and the decision should be made now not in November. At a time when Bradford is regenerating this baulking on a decision seems strange to say the least.
There is a selection process of several stages put in place by the Council one scheme did not make it through the first.
Now 2 choices still in and in stage 2, if these 2 fail then the demolition wins.
It is a long selection process and agree with you should not be extended.
[quote][p][bold]bcfc1903[/bold] wrote: Yorkshire Forward vandalised the Odeon as they had an agenda with the Leeds Arena, an absolutely disgraceful set of circumstances played out culminating in the cutting of water pipes in the building leading to serious damage to the interior. I still does make you wonder why Bradford Council are dragging their heels in regards to the two schemes, it seems clear that Bradford Live is the only viable scheme and the decision should be made now not in November. At a time when Bradford is regenerating this baulking on a decision seems strange to say the least.[/p][/quote]There is a selection process of several stages put in place by the Council one scheme did not make it through the first. Now 2 choices still in and in stage 2, if these 2 fail then the demolition wins. It is a long selection process and agree with you should not be extended. June Oh
  • Score: 1

6:46pm Wed 16 Apr 14

bcfc1903 says...

Can not see demolition being an option as it would be political suicide for whoever ordered the bulldozers to do their work. Can't see a problem in regards to Bradford, a major UK city of 523,000 approx folk having a major music venue, it would go hand in hand with more restaurants and retail therapy in the Broadway Westfield shopping centre.
Can not see demolition being an option as it would be political suicide for whoever ordered the bulldozers to do their work. Can't see a problem in regards to Bradford, a major UK city of 523,000 approx folk having a major music venue, it would go hand in hand with more restaurants and retail therapy in the Broadway Westfield shopping centre. bcfc1903
  • Score: 2

7:53pm Wed 16 Apr 14

Joedavid says...

"Now 2 choices still in and in stage 2, if these 2 FAIL then the demolition wins."
That is my understanding too.
It is the end of the road should the 2 proposal not be financially sound.
"Now 2 choices still in and in stage 2, if these 2 FAIL then the demolition wins." That is my understanding too. It is the end of the road should the 2 proposal not be financially sound. Joedavid
  • Score: 1

11:21pm Wed 16 Apr 14

bcfc1903 says...

Joedavid wrote:
"Now 2 choices still in and in stage 2, if these 2 FAIL then the demolition wins."
That is my understanding too.
It is the end of the road should the 2 proposal not be financially sound.
I think there are too many Bradfordians against demolition for that to take place, I'd be amazed if Bradford Council decided on that course of action but looking at the November date it does seem odd that such a long time is being taken. I went to the infamous council meeting when demolition was voted for, now that was a stitch up with some bogus tosh going on in regards to a Yorkshire Forward lawyer and the council coming up with a shockingly undemocratic decision. It's whether Bradford Council has the backbone to actually say that one of these schemes is the best for the City of Bradford, as it plainly is. Or of course we can go down the road of the Swan Arcade and raise it to the ground, now that really would be a sad day for the city.
[quote][p][bold]Joedavid[/bold] wrote: "Now 2 choices still in and in stage 2, if these 2 FAIL then the demolition wins." That is my understanding too. It is the end of the road should the 2 proposal not be financially sound.[/p][/quote]I think there are too many Bradfordians against demolition for that to take place, I'd be amazed if Bradford Council decided on that course of action but looking at the November date it does seem odd that such a long time is being taken. I went to the infamous council meeting when demolition was voted for, now that was a stitch up with some bogus tosh going on in regards to a Yorkshire Forward lawyer and the council coming up with a shockingly undemocratic decision. It's whether Bradford Council has the backbone to actually say that one of these schemes is the best for the City of Bradford, as it plainly is. Or of course we can go down the road of the Swan Arcade and raise it to the ground, now that really would be a sad day for the city. bcfc1903
  • Score: 5

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