Bedroom tax was designed to hit the poor, say Labour

Esther McVey

Esther McVey

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Only one in ten Bradford tenants hit by the ‘bedroom tax’ have moved to a smaller home – imposing steep housing benefit cuts on the rest.

Only 281 of 2,660 households in properties owned by the city’s largest housing association – and who were deemed to have spare bedrooms – have ‘downsized’.

It means 2,011 have lost up to 25 per cent of their housing benefit, under the strict new Government rules. The remainder have moved into jobs.

In addition, 1,038 of those tenants – just over half – have been plunged into arrears since the measure came in last year, an apparent insight into the hardship it has caused.

The figures, from the Incommunities association, are revealed amid fresh calls for a rethink of the controversial removal of the so-called ‘spare room subsidy’.

Across the country, only six per cent of tenants have moved home, – even less than the ten per cent that have done so in Bradford. In neighbouring Kirklees, the council said 2,043 households had been affected, of which 675 were in arrears. It could not say how many had downsized.

Furthermore, Work Minister Esther McVey admitted, for the first time publicly, that the Government had expected most tenants to face benefit cuts. Mrs McVey said the forecast was for only 30 per cent to find smaller properties, over five years. She argued that eight per cent had, so far.

Chris Bryant, Labour’s welfare spokesman, said: “This proves beyond any reasonable doubt that the bedroom tax was always designed as a tax on the poorest and most vulnerable.”

The removal of the ‘spare room subsidy’ cuts housing benefit by 14 per cent for one extra bedroom and 25 per cent where there are two.

Ministers had argued that forcing ‘underoccupying’ households to move would free up larger homes for families living in cramped conditions, as well as saving £465 million.

But Mrs McVey denied she was disappointed by the numbers, saying: “No, because it wasn’t that you had to move house - that was one of the options.”

Dave Dickens, director of income management at Incommunities – which took over the city council’s housing stock – said: “Our dedicated welfare reform team have been proactive in contacting all customers affected and offer a range of support.

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7:28am Tue 1 Apr 14

mad matt says...

The government should have ensured that there were enough one-bedroom properties available before all this was introduced. They knew full well that there were not enough and have simply forced the councils to do all the dirty work for them.
Rob the poor to pay the rich!
Also remember that a lot of the families caught up in this debacle are not out of work but are on low paid jobs and simply cannot afford to have this money taken from them.
The government should have ensured that there were enough one-bedroom properties available before all this was introduced. They knew full well that there were not enough and have simply forced the councils to do all the dirty work for them. Rob the poor to pay the rich! Also remember that a lot of the families caught up in this debacle are not out of work but are on low paid jobs and simply cannot afford to have this money taken from them. mad matt
  • Score: 11

7:34am Tue 1 Apr 14

tinytoonster says...

how is it rob the poor to pay the rich?
they dont get the saved housing benefit!
how is it rob the poor to pay the rich? they dont get the saved housing benefit! tinytoonster
  • Score: 2

7:36am Tue 1 Apr 14

collos25 says...

The conservatives and their backers have to get their money from somewhere and the poorest in society are the easiest prey.
Its ok if a banker makes millions or a useless person in the council has mega wages but its not ok if a poor family has a few extra square feet of living space don´t forget the majority of mps spend more in the commons bar a week then a lot of families have to live on..
The conservatives and their backers have to get their money from somewhere and the poorest in society are the easiest prey. Its ok if a banker makes millions or a useless person in the council has mega wages but its not ok if a poor family has a few extra square feet of living space don´t forget the majority of mps spend more in the commons bar a week then a lot of families have to live on.. collos25
  • Score: 8

7:59am Tue 1 Apr 14

collos25 says...

tinytoonster wrote:
how is it rob the poor to pay the rich?
they dont get the saved housing benefit!
I bet maths was not your strongest subject at school.
[quote][p][bold]tinytoonster[/bold] wrote: how is it rob the poor to pay the rich? they dont get the saved housing benefit![/p][/quote]I bet maths was not your strongest subject at school. collos25
  • Score: -1

8:13am Tue 1 Apr 14

Whatthejuice says...

It's the Principle that is being established here, a very necessary step in order to move away from Labours disasterous benefit culture.
It's the Principle that is being established here, a very necessary step in order to move away from Labours disasterous benefit culture. Whatthejuice
  • Score: 8

8:17am Tue 1 Apr 14

Thee Voice of Reason says...

I have to pay for 100% of my own house, I have no spare rooms.
Yet I have to feel sorry for those living in houses bigger than they need which are subsidised by the state bit not to the level they used to be.
How many have actually bother to look to downsize? I'm betting not many. Some are staying put hoping labour come back in to subsidise their over sized house again no doubt.
Lets also get this right, it is not a tax. A tax is something you pay, this is a cut in benefit a reduction in something you recieve that millions in the country don't.
I have to pay for 100% of my own house, I have no spare rooms. Yet I have to feel sorry for those living in houses bigger than they need which are subsidised by the state bit not to the level they used to be. How many have actually bother to look to downsize? I'm betting not many. Some are staying put hoping labour come back in to subsidise their over sized house again no doubt. Lets also get this right, it is not a tax. A tax is something you pay, this is a cut in benefit a reduction in something you recieve that millions in the country don't. Thee Voice of Reason
  • Score: 25

8:25am Tue 1 Apr 14

linebacker2 says...

collos25 wrote:
The conservatives and their backers have to get their money from somewhere and the poorest in society are the easiest prey.
Its ok if a banker makes millions or a useless person in the council has mega wages but its not ok if a poor family has a few extra square feet of living space don´t forget the majority of mps spend more in the commons bar a week then a lot of families have to live on..
It's very easy to blame the "bankers" for everything.

Fact of the matter is that despite all the talk from the left of the Tories being the party of the rich - 10% of tax payers are paying two thirds of tax.
[quote][p][bold]collos25[/bold] wrote: The conservatives and their backers have to get their money from somewhere and the poorest in society are the easiest prey. Its ok if a banker makes millions or a useless person in the council has mega wages but its not ok if a poor family has a few extra square feet of living space don´t forget the majority of mps spend more in the commons bar a week then a lot of families have to live on..[/p][/quote]It's very easy to blame the "bankers" for everything. Fact of the matter is that despite all the talk from the left of the Tories being the party of the rich - 10% of tax payers are paying two thirds of tax. linebacker2
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8:29am Tue 1 Apr 14

linebacker2 says...

A factory worker in China makes less than somebody in the West will get in benefits, they'll live in a dorm at the factory - never mind a spare room. Yet the "poor" in the West, even those not working can afford to buy the goods produced by their counterparts in emerging economies. Like it or not, these are the stark realities of the modern world.
A factory worker in China makes less than somebody in the West will get in benefits, they'll live in a dorm at the factory - never mind a spare room. Yet the "poor" in the West, even those not working can afford to buy the goods produced by their counterparts in emerging economies. Like it or not, these are the stark realities of the modern world. linebacker2
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9:01am Tue 1 Apr 14

bd7 helper says...

If your not fast then your last
If your not fast then your last bd7 helper
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9:11am Tue 1 Apr 14

angry bradfordian says...

You could also argue that the 'bedroom tax' HAS worked as the 2,011 households who haven't moved must have been able to afford to contribute the additional 25%.
If they couldn't afford to lose it why haven't they moved?
You could also argue that the 'bedroom tax' HAS worked as the 2,011 households who haven't moved must have been able to afford to contribute the additional 25%. If they couldn't afford to lose it why haven't they moved? angry bradfordian
  • Score: 7

9:16am Tue 1 Apr 14

angry bradfordian says...

linebacker2 wrote:
collos25 wrote:
The conservatives and their backers have to get their money from somewhere and the poorest in society are the easiest prey.
Its ok if a banker makes millions or a useless person in the council has mega wages but its not ok if a poor family has a few extra square feet of living space don´t forget the majority of mps spend more in the commons bar a week then a lot of families have to live on..
It's very easy to blame the "bankers" for everything.

Fact of the matter is that despite all the talk from the left of the Tories being the party of the rich - 10% of tax payers are paying two thirds of tax.
It seems to be easy for Labour to blame the bankers.

Every time I hear a member of the shadow cabinet talking about their spending plans for the next parliament, they seem to suggest that everything is going to be funded by the 'one off bankers tax'.

I can only assume that super-taxing bankers is more of a vote winner than doing the same to other offensively high earners such as film stars, musicians or footballers.
[quote][p][bold]linebacker2[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]collos25[/bold] wrote: The conservatives and their backers have to get their money from somewhere and the poorest in society are the easiest prey. Its ok if a banker makes millions or a useless person in the council has mega wages but its not ok if a poor family has a few extra square feet of living space don´t forget the majority of mps spend more in the commons bar a week then a lot of families have to live on..[/p][/quote]It's very easy to blame the "bankers" for everything. Fact of the matter is that despite all the talk from the left of the Tories being the party of the rich - 10% of tax payers are paying two thirds of tax.[/p][/quote]It seems to be easy for Labour to blame the bankers. Every time I hear a member of the shadow cabinet talking about their spending plans for the next parliament, they seem to suggest that everything is going to be funded by the 'one off bankers tax'. I can only assume that super-taxing bankers is more of a vote winner than doing the same to other offensively high earners such as film stars, musicians or footballers. angry bradfordian
  • Score: 9

9:18am Tue 1 Apr 14

bubble64 says...

Thee Voice of Reason wrote:
I have to pay for 100% of my own house, I have no spare rooms.
Yet I have to feel sorry for those living in houses bigger than they need which are subsidised by the state bit not to the level they used to be.
How many have actually bother to look to downsize? I'm betting not many. Some are staying put hoping labour come back in to subsidise their over sized house again no doubt.
Lets also get this right, it is not a tax. A tax is something you pay, this is a cut in benefit a reduction in something you recieve that millions in the country don't.
they have to pay for the bedroom ..so how is it not a tax ..they have to find that money from somewhere ..so then they will be going on about child poverty as they cant afford to feed their kids properly ...and yes they did cut the housing benefit and council tax benefit so that is 3 extra bills to pay out money which they were struggling on to start with ...so yes it is robbing the poor ..and people who have private landlords dont have to pay the bedroom tax ..so how is that fair !!
[quote][p][bold]Thee Voice of Reason[/bold] wrote: I have to pay for 100% of my own house, I have no spare rooms. Yet I have to feel sorry for those living in houses bigger than they need which are subsidised by the state bit not to the level they used to be. How many have actually bother to look to downsize? I'm betting not many. Some are staying put hoping labour come back in to subsidise their over sized house again no doubt. Lets also get this right, it is not a tax. A tax is something you pay, this is a cut in benefit a reduction in something you recieve that millions in the country don't.[/p][/quote]they have to pay for the bedroom ..so how is it not a tax ..they have to find that money from somewhere ..so then they will be going on about child poverty as they cant afford to feed their kids properly ...and yes they did cut the housing benefit and council tax benefit so that is 3 extra bills to pay out money which they were struggling on to start with ...so yes it is robbing the poor ..and people who have private landlords dont have to pay the bedroom tax ..so how is that fair !! bubble64
  • Score: -15

9:55am Tue 1 Apr 14

Thee Voice of Reason says...

bubble64 wrote:
Thee Voice of Reason wrote: I have to pay for 100% of my own house, I have no spare rooms. Yet I have to feel sorry for those living in houses bigger than they need which are subsidised by the state bit not to the level they used to be. How many have actually bother to look to downsize? I'm betting not many. Some are staying put hoping labour come back in to subsidise their over sized house again no doubt. Lets also get this right, it is not a tax. A tax is something you pay, this is a cut in benefit a reduction in something you recieve that millions in the country don't.
they have to pay for the bedroom ..so how is it not a tax ..they have to find that money from somewhere ..so then they will be going on about child poverty as they cant afford to feed their kids properly ...and yes they did cut the housing benefit and council tax benefit so that is 3 extra bills to pay out money which they were struggling on to start with ...so yes it is robbing the poor ..and people who have private landlords dont have to pay the bedroom tax ..so how is that fair !!
Oh dear where to start.

I pay for all my house so am I paying house tax? Am I hell. I'm paying my way thats all. I have no sparerooms in my house me and my family would love a bigger house but the truth is at the moment we can't afford one and nor do we expect the taxpayer to fund one for us.

If people are getting into debt because they can't afford where they live then maybe they should look to move elsewhere. Many though are sitting through it thinking they will go back to old ways if Labour come back in and reverse the tax allowing them to live in oversized houses forever more at the taxpayers expense.

They have to pay for the bedroom how is that not a tax, what a weak weak argument. It's not a tax because it's a reduction in benefit. I get no benefit to pay for any of my house so there is nothing to cut. So if someone is getting £400 a month from the taxpayer but now gets £350 please explain how that is a tax?
[quote][p][bold]bubble64[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Thee Voice of Reason[/bold] wrote: I have to pay for 100% of my own house, I have no spare rooms. Yet I have to feel sorry for those living in houses bigger than they need which are subsidised by the state bit not to the level they used to be. How many have actually bother to look to downsize? I'm betting not many. Some are staying put hoping labour come back in to subsidise their over sized house again no doubt. Lets also get this right, it is not a tax. A tax is something you pay, this is a cut in benefit a reduction in something you recieve that millions in the country don't.[/p][/quote]they have to pay for the bedroom ..so how is it not a tax ..they have to find that money from somewhere ..so then they will be going on about child poverty as they cant afford to feed their kids properly ...and yes they did cut the housing benefit and council tax benefit so that is 3 extra bills to pay out money which they were struggling on to start with ...so yes it is robbing the poor ..and people who have private landlords dont have to pay the bedroom tax ..so how is that fair !![/p][/quote]Oh dear where to start. I pay for all my house so am I paying house tax? Am I hell. I'm paying my way thats all. I have no sparerooms in my house me and my family would love a bigger house but the truth is at the moment we can't afford one and nor do we expect the taxpayer to fund one for us. If people are getting into debt because they can't afford where they live then maybe they should look to move elsewhere. Many though are sitting through it thinking they will go back to old ways if Labour come back in and reverse the tax allowing them to live in oversized houses forever more at the taxpayers expense. They have to pay for the bedroom how is that not a tax, what a weak weak argument. It's not a tax because it's a reduction in benefit. I get no benefit to pay for any of my house so there is nothing to cut. So if someone is getting £400 a month from the taxpayer but now gets £350 please explain how that is a tax? Thee Voice of Reason
  • Score: 15

10:01am Tue 1 Apr 14

G_Firth says...

That's rich coming from labour when it was them that brought in the bedroom tax in the first place
That's rich coming from labour when it was them that brought in the bedroom tax in the first place G_Firth
  • Score: 0

10:02am Tue 1 Apr 14

Grumpygirl says...

The principle of moving people out of homes that are too large for them (and expensive to heat) is sound. The problems have been in implementation.

As with all Tory policies dealing with the poor they chose a stick rather than a carrot. Draconian sanctions rather than, for instance, a one-off payment to help people move.

The Tories are so out of touch with ordinary life that they didn't know that most social housing consists of two and three bedroom properties. They also failed to register that the few existing one-bedroom properties were mostly appropriately occupied.

Typical Tories. Kick the poor and start asking questions later. Also, typical Tories, they hoped that this tax would drive people into the arms of their mates the slum landlords who run overcrowded bedsit properties.

The solution. Scrap the tax and give local authorities the money to build lots more one bedroom flats. Not as much fun as making the poor suffer, but eminently practical.
The principle of moving people out of homes that are too large for them (and expensive to heat) is sound. The problems have been in implementation. As with all Tory policies dealing with the poor they chose a stick rather than a carrot. Draconian sanctions rather than, for instance, a one-off payment to help people move. The Tories are so out of touch with ordinary life that they didn't know that most social housing consists of two and three bedroom properties. They also failed to register that the few existing one-bedroom properties were mostly appropriately occupied. Typical Tories. Kick the poor and start asking questions later. Also, typical Tories, they hoped that this tax would drive people into the arms of their mates the slum landlords who run overcrowded bedsit properties. The solution. Scrap the tax and give local authorities the money to build lots more one bedroom flats. Not as much fun as making the poor suffer, but eminently practical. Grumpygirl
  • Score: 0

10:06am Tue 1 Apr 14

bubble64 says...

Thee Voice of Reason wrote:
bubble64 wrote:
Thee Voice of Reason wrote: I have to pay for 100% of my own house, I have no spare rooms. Yet I have to feel sorry for those living in houses bigger than they need which are subsidised by the state bit not to the level they used to be. How many have actually bother to look to downsize? I'm betting not many. Some are staying put hoping labour come back in to subsidise their over sized house again no doubt. Lets also get this right, it is not a tax. A tax is something you pay, this is a cut in benefit a reduction in something you recieve that millions in the country don't.
they have to pay for the bedroom ..so how is it not a tax ..they have to find that money from somewhere ..so then they will be going on about child poverty as they cant afford to feed their kids properly ...and yes they did cut the housing benefit and council tax benefit so that is 3 extra bills to pay out money which they were struggling on to start with ...so yes it is robbing the poor ..and people who have private landlords dont have to pay the bedroom tax ..so how is that fair !!
Oh dear where to start.

I pay for all my house so am I paying house tax? Am I hell. I'm paying my way thats all. I have no sparerooms in my house me and my family would love a bigger house but the truth is at the moment we can't afford one and nor do we expect the taxpayer to fund one for us.

If people are getting into debt because they can't afford where they live then maybe they should look to move elsewhere. Many though are sitting through it thinking they will go back to old ways if Labour come back in and reverse the tax allowing them to live in oversized houses forever more at the taxpayers expense.

They have to pay for the bedroom how is that not a tax, what a weak weak argument. It's not a tax because it's a reduction in benefit. I get no benefit to pay for any of my house so there is nothing to cut. So if someone is getting £400 a month from the taxpayer but now gets £350 please explain how that is a tax?
we pay for our house with no benefits but my neice who has a boy and a girl ..has a 3 bedroomed house which the council put her in as they were knocking down her 2 bedroomed flat ..they got a reduction in housing benefit ..PLUS a bedroom tax ..all in all she has to pay out an extra £32 a week out of what she was already getting and struggling on ...she is at college so is not a stay at home single mum ...you seem to think the reduction of housing benefit is all they got but it isnt !!
[quote][p][bold]Thee Voice of Reason[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]bubble64[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Thee Voice of Reason[/bold] wrote: I have to pay for 100% of my own house, I have no spare rooms. Yet I have to feel sorry for those living in houses bigger than they need which are subsidised by the state bit not to the level they used to be. How many have actually bother to look to downsize? I'm betting not many. Some are staying put hoping labour come back in to subsidise their over sized house again no doubt. Lets also get this right, it is not a tax. A tax is something you pay, this is a cut in benefit a reduction in something you recieve that millions in the country don't.[/p][/quote]they have to pay for the bedroom ..so how is it not a tax ..they have to find that money from somewhere ..so then they will be going on about child poverty as they cant afford to feed their kids properly ...and yes they did cut the housing benefit and council tax benefit so that is 3 extra bills to pay out money which they were struggling on to start with ...so yes it is robbing the poor ..and people who have private landlords dont have to pay the bedroom tax ..so how is that fair !![/p][/quote]Oh dear where to start. I pay for all my house so am I paying house tax? Am I hell. I'm paying my way thats all. I have no sparerooms in my house me and my family would love a bigger house but the truth is at the moment we can't afford one and nor do we expect the taxpayer to fund one for us. If people are getting into debt because they can't afford where they live then maybe they should look to move elsewhere. Many though are sitting through it thinking they will go back to old ways if Labour come back in and reverse the tax allowing them to live in oversized houses forever more at the taxpayers expense. They have to pay for the bedroom how is that not a tax, what a weak weak argument. It's not a tax because it's a reduction in benefit. I get no benefit to pay for any of my house so there is nothing to cut. So if someone is getting £400 a month from the taxpayer but now gets £350 please explain how that is a tax?[/p][/quote]we pay for our house with no benefits but my neice who has a boy and a girl ..has a 3 bedroomed house which the council put her in as they were knocking down her 2 bedroomed flat ..they got a reduction in housing benefit ..PLUS a bedroom tax ..all in all she has to pay out an extra £32 a week out of what she was already getting and struggling on ...she is at college so is not a stay at home single mum ...you seem to think the reduction of housing benefit is all they got but it isnt !! bubble64
  • Score: -7

10:13am Tue 1 Apr 14

pcmanners says...

If they had worked hard and bought their own home instead of scrounging benefits and living off the rest of us then they wouldn't have a problem. They chose to waste their lives; they should live with the consequences and stop moaning.

Only socialists would throw good money after bad trying to help wasters like these.
If they had worked hard and bought their own home instead of scrounging benefits and living off the rest of us then they wouldn't have a problem. They chose to waste their lives; they should live with the consequences and stop moaning. Only socialists would throw good money after bad trying to help wasters like these. pcmanners
  • Score: 8

10:31am Tue 1 Apr 14

Thee Voice of Reason says...

bubble64 wrote:
Thee Voice of Reason wrote:
bubble64 wrote:
Thee Voice of Reason wrote: I have to pay for 100% of my own house, I have no spare rooms. Yet I have to feel sorry for those living in houses bigger than they need which are subsidised by the state bit not to the level they used to be. How many have actually bother to look to downsize? I'm betting not many. Some are staying put hoping labour come back in to subsidise their over sized house again no doubt. Lets also get this right, it is not a tax. A tax is something you pay, this is a cut in benefit a reduction in something you recieve that millions in the country don't.
they have to pay for the bedroom ..so how is it not a tax ..they have to find that money from somewhere ..so then they will be going on about child poverty as they cant afford to feed their kids properly ...and yes they did cut the housing benefit and council tax benefit so that is 3 extra bills to pay out money which they were struggling on to start with ...so yes it is robbing the poor ..and people who have private landlords dont have to pay the bedroom tax ..so how is that fair !!
Oh dear where to start. I pay for all my house so am I paying house tax? Am I hell. I'm paying my way thats all. I have no sparerooms in my house me and my family would love a bigger house but the truth is at the moment we can't afford one and nor do we expect the taxpayer to fund one for us. If people are getting into debt because they can't afford where they live then maybe they should look to move elsewhere. Many though are sitting through it thinking they will go back to old ways if Labour come back in and reverse the tax allowing them to live in oversized houses forever more at the taxpayers expense. They have to pay for the bedroom how is that not a tax, what a weak weak argument. It's not a tax because it's a reduction in benefit. I get no benefit to pay for any of my house so there is nothing to cut. So if someone is getting £400 a month from the taxpayer but now gets £350 please explain how that is a tax?
we pay for our house with no benefits but my neice who has a boy and a girl ..has a 3 bedroomed house which the council put her in as they were knocking down her 2 bedroomed flat ..they got a reduction in housing benefit ..PLUS a bedroom tax ..all in all she has to pay out an extra £32 a week out of what she was already getting and struggling on ...she is at college so is not a stay at home single mum ...you seem to think the reduction of housing benefit is all they got but it isnt !!
Do you understand tax or are you brainwashed by the Labour buzz word of bedroom tax? The reduction in benefit is due to being in a house deemed to have a spare room. So the benefit is reduced, not a tax slapped on top.

Your niece is living in a bigger house than many 4 people families as it happens.
[quote][p][bold]bubble64[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Thee Voice of Reason[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]bubble64[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Thee Voice of Reason[/bold] wrote: I have to pay for 100% of my own house, I have no spare rooms. Yet I have to feel sorry for those living in houses bigger than they need which are subsidised by the state bit not to the level they used to be. How many have actually bother to look to downsize? I'm betting not many. Some are staying put hoping labour come back in to subsidise their over sized house again no doubt. Lets also get this right, it is not a tax. A tax is something you pay, this is a cut in benefit a reduction in something you recieve that millions in the country don't.[/p][/quote]they have to pay for the bedroom ..so how is it not a tax ..they have to find that money from somewhere ..so then they will be going on about child poverty as they cant afford to feed their kids properly ...and yes they did cut the housing benefit and council tax benefit so that is 3 extra bills to pay out money which they were struggling on to start with ...so yes it is robbing the poor ..and people who have private landlords dont have to pay the bedroom tax ..so how is that fair !![/p][/quote]Oh dear where to start. I pay for all my house so am I paying house tax? Am I hell. I'm paying my way thats all. I have no sparerooms in my house me and my family would love a bigger house but the truth is at the moment we can't afford one and nor do we expect the taxpayer to fund one for us. If people are getting into debt because they can't afford where they live then maybe they should look to move elsewhere. Many though are sitting through it thinking they will go back to old ways if Labour come back in and reverse the tax allowing them to live in oversized houses forever more at the taxpayers expense. They have to pay for the bedroom how is that not a tax, what a weak weak argument. It's not a tax because it's a reduction in benefit. I get no benefit to pay for any of my house so there is nothing to cut. So if someone is getting £400 a month from the taxpayer but now gets £350 please explain how that is a tax?[/p][/quote]we pay for our house with no benefits but my neice who has a boy and a girl ..has a 3 bedroomed house which the council put her in as they were knocking down her 2 bedroomed flat ..they got a reduction in housing benefit ..PLUS a bedroom tax ..all in all she has to pay out an extra £32 a week out of what she was already getting and struggling on ...she is at college so is not a stay at home single mum ...you seem to think the reduction of housing benefit is all they got but it isnt !![/p][/quote]Do you understand tax or are you brainwashed by the Labour buzz word of bedroom tax? The reduction in benefit is due to being in a house deemed to have a spare room. So the benefit is reduced, not a tax slapped on top. Your niece is living in a bigger house than many 4 people families as it happens. Thee Voice of Reason
  • Score: 9

10:33am Tue 1 Apr 14

Farsley Bantam says...

bubble64 wrote:
Thee Voice of Reason wrote:
bubble64 wrote:
Thee Voice of Reason wrote: I have to pay for 100% of my own house, I have no spare rooms. Yet I have to feel sorry for those living in houses bigger than they need which are subsidised by the state bit not to the level they used to be. How many have actually bother to look to downsize? I'm betting not many. Some are staying put hoping labour come back in to subsidise their over sized house again no doubt. Lets also get this right, it is not a tax. A tax is something you pay, this is a cut in benefit a reduction in something you recieve that millions in the country don't.
they have to pay for the bedroom ..so how is it not a tax ..they have to find that money from somewhere ..so then they will be going on about child poverty as they cant afford to feed their kids properly ...and yes they did cut the housing benefit and council tax benefit so that is 3 extra bills to pay out money which they were struggling on to start with ...so yes it is robbing the poor ..and people who have private landlords dont have to pay the bedroom tax ..so how is that fair !!
Oh dear where to start. I pay for all my house so am I paying house tax? Am I hell. I'm paying my way thats all. I have no sparerooms in my house me and my family would love a bigger house but the truth is at the moment we can't afford one and nor do we expect the taxpayer to fund one for us. If people are getting into debt because they can't afford where they live then maybe they should look to move elsewhere. Many though are sitting through it thinking they will go back to old ways if Labour come back in and reverse the tax allowing them to live in oversized houses forever more at the taxpayers expense. They have to pay for the bedroom how is that not a tax, what a weak weak argument. It's not a tax because it's a reduction in benefit. I get no benefit to pay for any of my house so there is nothing to cut. So if someone is getting £400 a month from the taxpayer but now gets £350 please explain how that is a tax?
we pay for our house with no benefits but my neice who has a boy and a girl ..has a 3 bedroomed house which the council put her in as they were knocking down her 2 bedroomed flat ..they got a reduction in housing benefit ..PLUS a bedroom tax ..all in all she has to pay out an extra £32 a week out of what she was already getting and struggling on ...she is at college so is not a stay at home single mum ...you seem to think the reduction of housing benefit is all they got but it isnt !!
No offence but if your neice has no qualifications and no job then why the hell has she had 2 children that she can't afford to support? She knows the taxpayer will pick up the tab for her reckless behaviour. I hope measures such as the spare room subsidy and benefit cuts discourage this kind of lifestyle choice as it benefits nobody.
[quote][p][bold]bubble64[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Thee Voice of Reason[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]bubble64[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Thee Voice of Reason[/bold] wrote: I have to pay for 100% of my own house, I have no spare rooms. Yet I have to feel sorry for those living in houses bigger than they need which are subsidised by the state bit not to the level they used to be. How many have actually bother to look to downsize? I'm betting not many. Some are staying put hoping labour come back in to subsidise their over sized house again no doubt. Lets also get this right, it is not a tax. A tax is something you pay, this is a cut in benefit a reduction in something you recieve that millions in the country don't.[/p][/quote]they have to pay for the bedroom ..so how is it not a tax ..they have to find that money from somewhere ..so then they will be going on about child poverty as they cant afford to feed their kids properly ...and yes they did cut the housing benefit and council tax benefit so that is 3 extra bills to pay out money which they were struggling on to start with ...so yes it is robbing the poor ..and people who have private landlords dont have to pay the bedroom tax ..so how is that fair !![/p][/quote]Oh dear where to start. I pay for all my house so am I paying house tax? Am I hell. I'm paying my way thats all. I have no sparerooms in my house me and my family would love a bigger house but the truth is at the moment we can't afford one and nor do we expect the taxpayer to fund one for us. If people are getting into debt because they can't afford where they live then maybe they should look to move elsewhere. Many though are sitting through it thinking they will go back to old ways if Labour come back in and reverse the tax allowing them to live in oversized houses forever more at the taxpayers expense. They have to pay for the bedroom how is that not a tax, what a weak weak argument. It's not a tax because it's a reduction in benefit. I get no benefit to pay for any of my house so there is nothing to cut. So if someone is getting £400 a month from the taxpayer but now gets £350 please explain how that is a tax?[/p][/quote]we pay for our house with no benefits but my neice who has a boy and a girl ..has a 3 bedroomed house which the council put her in as they were knocking down her 2 bedroomed flat ..they got a reduction in housing benefit ..PLUS a bedroom tax ..all in all she has to pay out an extra £32 a week out of what she was already getting and struggling on ...she is at college so is not a stay at home single mum ...you seem to think the reduction of housing benefit is all they got but it isnt !![/p][/quote]No offence but if your neice has no qualifications and no job then why the hell has she had 2 children that she can't afford to support? She knows the taxpayer will pick up the tab for her reckless behaviour. I hope measures such as the spare room subsidy and benefit cuts discourage this kind of lifestyle choice as it benefits nobody. Farsley Bantam
  • Score: 18

10:35am Tue 1 Apr 14

Andy2010 says...

angry bradfordian wrote:
linebacker2 wrote:
collos25 wrote:
The conservatives and their backers have to get their money from somewhere and the poorest in society are the easiest prey.
Its ok if a banker makes millions or a useless person in the council has mega wages but its not ok if a poor family has a few extra square feet of living space don´t forget the majority of mps spend more in the commons bar a week then a lot of families have to live on..
It's very easy to blame the "bankers" for everything.

Fact of the matter is that despite all the talk from the left of the Tories being the party of the rich - 10% of tax payers are paying two thirds of tax.
It seems to be easy for Labour to blame the bankers.

Every time I hear a member of the shadow cabinet talking about their spending plans for the next parliament, they seem to suggest that everything is going to be funded by the 'one off bankers tax'.

I can only assume that super-taxing bankers is more of a vote winner than doing the same to other offensively high earners such as film stars, musicians or footballers.
Add Union Leaders to that list also

Not forgetting all the none jobs Labour created in councils to fudge the employment stats such as Director of Strategic Employment Funding Diversity
[quote][p][bold]angry bradfordian[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]linebacker2[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]collos25[/bold] wrote: The conservatives and their backers have to get their money from somewhere and the poorest in society are the easiest prey. Its ok if a banker makes millions or a useless person in the council has mega wages but its not ok if a poor family has a few extra square feet of living space don´t forget the majority of mps spend more in the commons bar a week then a lot of families have to live on..[/p][/quote]It's very easy to blame the "bankers" for everything. Fact of the matter is that despite all the talk from the left of the Tories being the party of the rich - 10% of tax payers are paying two thirds of tax.[/p][/quote]It seems to be easy for Labour to blame the bankers. Every time I hear a member of the shadow cabinet talking about their spending plans for the next parliament, they seem to suggest that everything is going to be funded by the 'one off bankers tax'. I can only assume that super-taxing bankers is more of a vote winner than doing the same to other offensively high earners such as film stars, musicians or footballers.[/p][/quote]Add Union Leaders to that list also Not forgetting all the none jobs Labour created in councils to fudge the employment stats such as Director of Strategic Employment Funding Diversity Andy2010
  • Score: 10

10:53am Tue 1 Apr 14

OLDLAD says...

The biggest problem with people not down sizing is that they see the property as theirs and not rented. If the council wanted they could give tenants notice if they will not move. I know of many people with two extra bedrooms but ask why not get a smaller place to rent the usual answer is we need the rooms for visitors. These people should tell the families that cannot get a house big enough. The other problem is that people see it as their right to be housed by the council when in fact it is not.
The biggest problem with people not down sizing is that they see the property as theirs and not rented. If the council wanted they could give tenants notice if they will not move. I know of many people with two extra bedrooms but ask why not get a smaller place to rent the usual answer is we need the rooms for visitors. These people should tell the families that cannot get a house big enough. The other problem is that people see it as their right to be housed by the council when in fact it is not. OLDLAD
  • Score: 11

11:02am Tue 1 Apr 14

bubble64 says...

Farsley Bantam wrote:
bubble64 wrote:
Thee Voice of Reason wrote:
bubble64 wrote:
Thee Voice of Reason wrote: I have to pay for 100% of my own house, I have no spare rooms. Yet I have to feel sorry for those living in houses bigger than they need which are subsidised by the state bit not to the level they used to be. How many have actually bother to look to downsize? I'm betting not many. Some are staying put hoping labour come back in to subsidise their over sized house again no doubt. Lets also get this right, it is not a tax. A tax is something you pay, this is a cut in benefit a reduction in something you recieve that millions in the country don't.
they have to pay for the bedroom ..so how is it not a tax ..they have to find that money from somewhere ..so then they will be going on about child poverty as they cant afford to feed their kids properly ...and yes they did cut the housing benefit and council tax benefit so that is 3 extra bills to pay out money which they were struggling on to start with ...so yes it is robbing the poor ..and people who have private landlords dont have to pay the bedroom tax ..so how is that fair !!
Oh dear where to start. I pay for all my house so am I paying house tax? Am I hell. I'm paying my way thats all. I have no sparerooms in my house me and my family would love a bigger house but the truth is at the moment we can't afford one and nor do we expect the taxpayer to fund one for us. If people are getting into debt because they can't afford where they live then maybe they should look to move elsewhere. Many though are sitting through it thinking they will go back to old ways if Labour come back in and reverse the tax allowing them to live in oversized houses forever more at the taxpayers expense. They have to pay for the bedroom how is that not a tax, what a weak weak argument. It's not a tax because it's a reduction in benefit. I get no benefit to pay for any of my house so there is nothing to cut. So if someone is getting £400 a month from the taxpayer but now gets £350 please explain how that is a tax?
we pay for our house with no benefits but my neice who has a boy and a girl ..has a 3 bedroomed house which the council put her in as they were knocking down her 2 bedroomed flat ..they got a reduction in housing benefit ..PLUS a bedroom tax ..all in all she has to pay out an extra £32 a week out of what she was already getting and struggling on ...she is at college so is not a stay at home single mum ...you seem to think the reduction of housing benefit is all they got but it isnt !!
No offence but if your neice has no qualifications and no job then why the hell has she had 2 children that she can't afford to support? She knows the taxpayer will pick up the tab for her reckless behaviour. I hope measures such as the spare room subsidy and benefit cuts discourage this kind of lifestyle choice as it benefits nobody.
she was working before the children ..and was married ..but he left is that her fault no ..now she is trying to better herself ...and its not wreckless to have kids ..how dare you ..i ave 6 ..does that make me bad ..no it doesnt ..we arent on benefits ....we pay our own bills etc ...i hope to god you never get in a situation where you lose your job and have to rely on benefits ....all these people on here think they know it all ...my partner was laid off for 6 mths last year as he works in construction and jobs were hard to find ..we lived off our savings for the first 4 mths then had to go on job seekers ..and i kid you not it was hard ..i dont know how people survive on the little bit you get ..we are in our 50's and have worked all our lives and to get less than somebody who is an alcoholic or a drug user is an insult ...luckily my partner got another job ...but if he hadnt we wouldve had to sell our house ..so dont preach if you dont know what is round the corner ..because you have no right !!!
[quote][p][bold]Farsley Bantam[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]bubble64[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Thee Voice of Reason[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]bubble64[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Thee Voice of Reason[/bold] wrote: I have to pay for 100% of my own house, I have no spare rooms. Yet I have to feel sorry for those living in houses bigger than they need which are subsidised by the state bit not to the level they used to be. How many have actually bother to look to downsize? I'm betting not many. Some are staying put hoping labour come back in to subsidise their over sized house again no doubt. Lets also get this right, it is not a tax. A tax is something you pay, this is a cut in benefit a reduction in something you recieve that millions in the country don't.[/p][/quote]they have to pay for the bedroom ..so how is it not a tax ..they have to find that money from somewhere ..so then they will be going on about child poverty as they cant afford to feed their kids properly ...and yes they did cut the housing benefit and council tax benefit so that is 3 extra bills to pay out money which they were struggling on to start with ...so yes it is robbing the poor ..and people who have private landlords dont have to pay the bedroom tax ..so how is that fair !![/p][/quote]Oh dear where to start. I pay for all my house so am I paying house tax? Am I hell. I'm paying my way thats all. I have no sparerooms in my house me and my family would love a bigger house but the truth is at the moment we can't afford one and nor do we expect the taxpayer to fund one for us. If people are getting into debt because they can't afford where they live then maybe they should look to move elsewhere. Many though are sitting through it thinking they will go back to old ways if Labour come back in and reverse the tax allowing them to live in oversized houses forever more at the taxpayers expense. They have to pay for the bedroom how is that not a tax, what a weak weak argument. It's not a tax because it's a reduction in benefit. I get no benefit to pay for any of my house so there is nothing to cut. So if someone is getting £400 a month from the taxpayer but now gets £350 please explain how that is a tax?[/p][/quote]we pay for our house with no benefits but my neice who has a boy and a girl ..has a 3 bedroomed house which the council put her in as they were knocking down her 2 bedroomed flat ..they got a reduction in housing benefit ..PLUS a bedroom tax ..all in all she has to pay out an extra £32 a week out of what she was already getting and struggling on ...she is at college so is not a stay at home single mum ...you seem to think the reduction of housing benefit is all they got but it isnt !![/p][/quote]No offence but if your neice has no qualifications and no job then why the hell has she had 2 children that she can't afford to support? She knows the taxpayer will pick up the tab for her reckless behaviour. I hope measures such as the spare room subsidy and benefit cuts discourage this kind of lifestyle choice as it benefits nobody.[/p][/quote]she was working before the children ..and was married ..but he left is that her fault no ..now she is trying to better herself ...and its not wreckless to have kids ..how dare you ..i ave 6 ..does that make me bad ..no it doesnt ..we arent on benefits ....we pay our own bills etc ...i hope to god you never get in a situation where you lose your job and have to rely on benefits ....all these people on here think they know it all ...my partner was laid off for 6 mths last year as he works in construction and jobs were hard to find ..we lived off our savings for the first 4 mths then had to go on job seekers ..and i kid you not it was hard ..i dont know how people survive on the little bit you get ..we are in our 50's and have worked all our lives and to get less than somebody who is an alcoholic or a drug user is an insult ...luckily my partner got another job ...but if he hadnt we wouldve had to sell our house ..so dont preach if you dont know what is round the corner ..because you have no right !!! bubble64
  • Score: 5

11:18am Tue 1 Apr 14

Farsley Bantam says...

bubble64 wrote:
Farsley Bantam wrote:
bubble64 wrote:
Thee Voice of Reason wrote:
bubble64 wrote:
Thee Voice of Reason wrote: I have to pay for 100% of my own house, I have no spare rooms. Yet I have to feel sorry for those living in houses bigger than they need which are subsidised by the state bit not to the level they used to be. How many have actually bother to look to downsize? I'm betting not many. Some are staying put hoping labour come back in to subsidise their over sized house again no doubt. Lets also get this right, it is not a tax. A tax is something you pay, this is a cut in benefit a reduction in something you recieve that millions in the country don't.
they have to pay for the bedroom ..so how is it not a tax ..they have to find that money from somewhere ..so then they will be going on about child poverty as they cant afford to feed their kids properly ...and yes they did cut the housing benefit and council tax benefit so that is 3 extra bills to pay out money which they were struggling on to start with ...so yes it is robbing the poor ..and people who have private landlords dont have to pay the bedroom tax ..so how is that fair !!
Oh dear where to start. I pay for all my house so am I paying house tax? Am I hell. I'm paying my way thats all. I have no sparerooms in my house me and my family would love a bigger house but the truth is at the moment we can't afford one and nor do we expect the taxpayer to fund one for us. If people are getting into debt because they can't afford where they live then maybe they should look to move elsewhere. Many though are sitting through it thinking they will go back to old ways if Labour come back in and reverse the tax allowing them to live in oversized houses forever more at the taxpayers expense. They have to pay for the bedroom how is that not a tax, what a weak weak argument. It's not a tax because it's a reduction in benefit. I get no benefit to pay for any of my house so there is nothing to cut. So if someone is getting £400 a month from the taxpayer but now gets £350 please explain how that is a tax?
we pay for our house with no benefits but my neice who has a boy and a girl ..has a 3 bedroomed house which the council put her in as they were knocking down her 2 bedroomed flat ..they got a reduction in housing benefit ..PLUS a bedroom tax ..all in all she has to pay out an extra £32 a week out of what she was already getting and struggling on ...she is at college so is not a stay at home single mum ...you seem to think the reduction of housing benefit is all they got but it isnt !!
No offence but if your neice has no qualifications and no job then why the hell has she had 2 children that she can't afford to support? She knows the taxpayer will pick up the tab for her reckless behaviour. I hope measures such as the spare room subsidy and benefit cuts discourage this kind of lifestyle choice as it benefits nobody.
she was working before the children ..and was married ..but he left is that her fault no ..now she is trying to better herself ...and its not wreckless to have kids ..how dare you ..i ave 6 ..does that make me bad ..no it doesnt ..we arent on benefits ....we pay our own bills etc ...i hope to god you never get in a situation where you lose your job and have to rely on benefits ....all these people on here think they know it all ...my partner was laid off for 6 mths last year as he works in construction and jobs were hard to find ..we lived off our savings for the first 4 mths then had to go on job seekers ..and i kid you not it was hard ..i dont know how people survive on the little bit you get ..we are in our 50's and have worked all our lives and to get less than somebody who is an alcoholic or a drug user is an insult ...luckily my partner got another job ...but if he hadnt we wouldve had to sell our house ..so dont preach if you dont know what is round the corner ..because you have no right !!!
Thanks for shedding some light on the situation. No it is not reckless to have children. It is reckless if you expect others to pay for them though (not that your niece has done this)
It's admirable that she is going to college and trying to better herself but it is quite right that if you are not earning anything it should be difficult to provide for yourself and your family. Before anyone chips in calling me an evil Tory or something, I should point out that I don't enjoy people suffering. I just think that work needs to pay and a benefit reduction is a sensible way of doing this.
Ideally the minimum wage would be increased by a few quid but due to the influx of immigrants prepared to work for minimum wage then it is unlikely to change anytime soon.
[quote][p][bold]bubble64[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Farsley Bantam[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]bubble64[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Thee Voice of Reason[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]bubble64[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Thee Voice of Reason[/bold] wrote: I have to pay for 100% of my own house, I have no spare rooms. Yet I have to feel sorry for those living in houses bigger than they need which are subsidised by the state bit not to the level they used to be. How many have actually bother to look to downsize? I'm betting not many. Some are staying put hoping labour come back in to subsidise their over sized house again no doubt. Lets also get this right, it is not a tax. A tax is something you pay, this is a cut in benefit a reduction in something you recieve that millions in the country don't.[/p][/quote]they have to pay for the bedroom ..so how is it not a tax ..they have to find that money from somewhere ..so then they will be going on about child poverty as they cant afford to feed their kids properly ...and yes they did cut the housing benefit and council tax benefit so that is 3 extra bills to pay out money which they were struggling on to start with ...so yes it is robbing the poor ..and people who have private landlords dont have to pay the bedroom tax ..so how is that fair !![/p][/quote]Oh dear where to start. I pay for all my house so am I paying house tax? Am I hell. I'm paying my way thats all. I have no sparerooms in my house me and my family would love a bigger house but the truth is at the moment we can't afford one and nor do we expect the taxpayer to fund one for us. If people are getting into debt because they can't afford where they live then maybe they should look to move elsewhere. Many though are sitting through it thinking they will go back to old ways if Labour come back in and reverse the tax allowing them to live in oversized houses forever more at the taxpayers expense. They have to pay for the bedroom how is that not a tax, what a weak weak argument. It's not a tax because it's a reduction in benefit. I get no benefit to pay for any of my house so there is nothing to cut. So if someone is getting £400 a month from the taxpayer but now gets £350 please explain how that is a tax?[/p][/quote]we pay for our house with no benefits but my neice who has a boy and a girl ..has a 3 bedroomed house which the council put her in as they were knocking down her 2 bedroomed flat ..they got a reduction in housing benefit ..PLUS a bedroom tax ..all in all she has to pay out an extra £32 a week out of what she was already getting and struggling on ...she is at college so is not a stay at home single mum ...you seem to think the reduction of housing benefit is all they got but it isnt !![/p][/quote]No offence but if your neice has no qualifications and no job then why the hell has she had 2 children that she can't afford to support? She knows the taxpayer will pick up the tab for her reckless behaviour. I hope measures such as the spare room subsidy and benefit cuts discourage this kind of lifestyle choice as it benefits nobody.[/p][/quote]she was working before the children ..and was married ..but he left is that her fault no ..now she is trying to better herself ...and its not wreckless to have kids ..how dare you ..i ave 6 ..does that make me bad ..no it doesnt ..we arent on benefits ....we pay our own bills etc ...i hope to god you never get in a situation where you lose your job and have to rely on benefits ....all these people on here think they know it all ...my partner was laid off for 6 mths last year as he works in construction and jobs were hard to find ..we lived off our savings for the first 4 mths then had to go on job seekers ..and i kid you not it was hard ..i dont know how people survive on the little bit you get ..we are in our 50's and have worked all our lives and to get less than somebody who is an alcoholic or a drug user is an insult ...luckily my partner got another job ...but if he hadnt we wouldve had to sell our house ..so dont preach if you dont know what is round the corner ..because you have no right !!![/p][/quote]Thanks for shedding some light on the situation. No it is not reckless to have children. It is reckless if you expect others to pay for them though (not that your niece has done this) It's admirable that she is going to college and trying to better herself but it is quite right that if you are not earning anything it should be difficult to provide for yourself and your family. Before anyone chips in calling me an evil Tory or something, I should point out that I don't enjoy people suffering. I just think that work needs to pay and a benefit reduction is a sensible way of doing this. Ideally the minimum wage would be increased by a few quid but due to the influx of immigrants prepared to work for minimum wage then it is unlikely to change anytime soon. Farsley Bantam
  • Score: 6

11:21am Tue 1 Apr 14

Andy2010 says...

bubble64 wrote:
Farsley Bantam wrote:
bubble64 wrote:
Thee Voice of Reason wrote:
bubble64 wrote:
Thee Voice of Reason wrote: I have to pay for 100% of my own house, I have no spare rooms. Yet I have to feel sorry for those living in houses bigger than they need which are subsidised by the state bit not to the level they used to be. How many have actually bother to look to downsize? I'm betting not many. Some are staying put hoping labour come back in to subsidise their over sized house again no doubt. Lets also get this right, it is not a tax. A tax is something you pay, this is a cut in benefit a reduction in something you recieve that millions in the country don't.
they have to pay for the bedroom ..so how is it not a tax ..they have to find that money from somewhere ..so then they will be going on about child poverty as they cant afford to feed their kids properly ...and yes they did cut the housing benefit and council tax benefit so that is 3 extra bills to pay out money which they were struggling on to start with ...so yes it is robbing the poor ..and people who have private landlords dont have to pay the bedroom tax ..so how is that fair !!
Oh dear where to start. I pay for all my house so am I paying house tax? Am I hell. I'm paying my way thats all. I have no sparerooms in my house me and my family would love a bigger house but the truth is at the moment we can't afford one and nor do we expect the taxpayer to fund one for us. If people are getting into debt because they can't afford where they live then maybe they should look to move elsewhere. Many though are sitting through it thinking they will go back to old ways if Labour come back in and reverse the tax allowing them to live in oversized houses forever more at the taxpayers expense. They have to pay for the bedroom how is that not a tax, what a weak weak argument. It's not a tax because it's a reduction in benefit. I get no benefit to pay for any of my house so there is nothing to cut. So if someone is getting £400 a month from the taxpayer but now gets £350 please explain how that is a tax?
we pay for our house with no benefits but my neice who has a boy and a girl ..has a 3 bedroomed house which the council put her in as they were knocking down her 2 bedroomed flat ..they got a reduction in housing benefit ..PLUS a bedroom tax ..all in all she has to pay out an extra £32 a week out of what she was already getting and struggling on ...she is at college so is not a stay at home single mum ...you seem to think the reduction of housing benefit is all they got but it isnt !!
No offence but if your neice has no qualifications and no job then why the hell has she had 2 children that she can't afford to support? She knows the taxpayer will pick up the tab for her reckless behaviour. I hope measures such as the spare room subsidy and benefit cuts discourage this kind of lifestyle choice as it benefits nobody.
she was working before the children ..and was married ..but he left is that her fault no ..now she is trying to better herself ...and its not wreckless to have kids ..how dare you ..i ave 6 ..does that make me bad ..no it doesnt ..we arent on benefits ....we pay our own bills etc ...i hope to god you never get in a situation where you lose your job and have to rely on benefits ....all these people on here think they know it all ...my partner was laid off for 6 mths last year as he works in construction and jobs were hard to find ..we lived off our savings for the first 4 mths then had to go on job seekers ..and i kid you not it was hard ..i dont know how people survive on the little bit you get ..we are in our 50's and have worked all our lives and to get less than somebody who is an alcoholic or a drug user is an insult ...luckily my partner got another job ...but if he hadnt we wouldve had to sell our house ..so dont preach if you dont know what is round the corner ..because you have no right !!!
No-one on here will claim being on benefits is easy. yes some know the system and do well out of it but claiming benefits in any way shape or form should make people literally survive. There should be money for food and bills and thats it. No cigs, alcohol, holidays. new tv's etc etc just the basics to keep them alive. Thats what benefits are for.

With your niece though Im confused. You say she was in work when married but is now at college. Wouldnt it be better for her to go back to work rather than college? Also no doubt the ex husband is contributing to his children so

Lets say £200 per child per month in child support £400
Council Tax Benefit - Zero to pay
Free school uniforms and prescriptions
Free dental
etc etc etc etc

And you saying its not fair she should have to pay out an extra £34? Why not get her ex husband to put up some of the money as after all presumably they are his kids.

What you have described with regards to your husband and yourself is exactly what the benefit system was set up for. To temporarily assist people with the basics in life so in essence what you are saying is the system works.
[quote][p][bold]bubble64[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Farsley Bantam[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]bubble64[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Thee Voice of Reason[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]bubble64[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Thee Voice of Reason[/bold] wrote: I have to pay for 100% of my own house, I have no spare rooms. Yet I have to feel sorry for those living in houses bigger than they need which are subsidised by the state bit not to the level they used to be. How many have actually bother to look to downsize? I'm betting not many. Some are staying put hoping labour come back in to subsidise their over sized house again no doubt. Lets also get this right, it is not a tax. A tax is something you pay, this is a cut in benefit a reduction in something you recieve that millions in the country don't.[/p][/quote]they have to pay for the bedroom ..so how is it not a tax ..they have to find that money from somewhere ..so then they will be going on about child poverty as they cant afford to feed their kids properly ...and yes they did cut the housing benefit and council tax benefit so that is 3 extra bills to pay out money which they were struggling on to start with ...so yes it is robbing the poor ..and people who have private landlords dont have to pay the bedroom tax ..so how is that fair !![/p][/quote]Oh dear where to start. I pay for all my house so am I paying house tax? Am I hell. I'm paying my way thats all. I have no sparerooms in my house me and my family would love a bigger house but the truth is at the moment we can't afford one and nor do we expect the taxpayer to fund one for us. If people are getting into debt because they can't afford where they live then maybe they should look to move elsewhere. Many though are sitting through it thinking they will go back to old ways if Labour come back in and reverse the tax allowing them to live in oversized houses forever more at the taxpayers expense. They have to pay for the bedroom how is that not a tax, what a weak weak argument. It's not a tax because it's a reduction in benefit. I get no benefit to pay for any of my house so there is nothing to cut. So if someone is getting £400 a month from the taxpayer but now gets £350 please explain how that is a tax?[/p][/quote]we pay for our house with no benefits but my neice who has a boy and a girl ..has a 3 bedroomed house which the council put her in as they were knocking down her 2 bedroomed flat ..they got a reduction in housing benefit ..PLUS a bedroom tax ..all in all she has to pay out an extra £32 a week out of what she was already getting and struggling on ...she is at college so is not a stay at home single mum ...you seem to think the reduction of housing benefit is all they got but it isnt !![/p][/quote]No offence but if your neice has no qualifications and no job then why the hell has she had 2 children that she can't afford to support? She knows the taxpayer will pick up the tab for her reckless behaviour. I hope measures such as the spare room subsidy and benefit cuts discourage this kind of lifestyle choice as it benefits nobody.[/p][/quote]she was working before the children ..and was married ..but he left is that her fault no ..now she is trying to better herself ...and its not wreckless to have kids ..how dare you ..i ave 6 ..does that make me bad ..no it doesnt ..we arent on benefits ....we pay our own bills etc ...i hope to god you never get in a situation where you lose your job and have to rely on benefits ....all these people on here think they know it all ...my partner was laid off for 6 mths last year as he works in construction and jobs were hard to find ..we lived off our savings for the first 4 mths then had to go on job seekers ..and i kid you not it was hard ..i dont know how people survive on the little bit you get ..we are in our 50's and have worked all our lives and to get less than somebody who is an alcoholic or a drug user is an insult ...luckily my partner got another job ...but if he hadnt we wouldve had to sell our house ..so dont preach if you dont know what is round the corner ..because you have no right !!![/p][/quote]No-one on here will claim being on benefits is easy. yes some know the system and do well out of it but claiming benefits in any way shape or form should make people literally survive. There should be money for food and bills and thats it. No cigs, alcohol, holidays. new tv's etc etc just the basics to keep them alive. Thats what benefits are for. With your niece though Im confused. You say she was in work when married but is now at college. Wouldnt it be better for her to go back to work rather than college? Also no doubt the ex husband is contributing to his children so Lets say £200 per child per month in child support £400 Council Tax Benefit - Zero to pay Free school uniforms and prescriptions Free dental etc etc etc etc And you saying its not fair she should have to pay out an extra £34? Why not get her ex husband to put up some of the money as after all presumably they are his kids. What you have described with regards to your husband and yourself is exactly what the benefit system was set up for. To temporarily assist people with the basics in life so in essence what you are saying is the system works. Andy2010
  • Score: 10

11:32am Tue 1 Apr 14

bubble64 says...

Andy2010 wrote:
bubble64 wrote:
Farsley Bantam wrote:
bubble64 wrote:
Thee Voice of Reason wrote:
bubble64 wrote:
Thee Voice of Reason wrote: I have to pay for 100% of my own house, I have no spare rooms. Yet I have to feel sorry for those living in houses bigger than they need which are subsidised by the state bit not to the level they used to be. How many have actually bother to look to downsize? I'm betting not many. Some are staying put hoping labour come back in to subsidise their over sized house again no doubt. Lets also get this right, it is not a tax. A tax is something you pay, this is a cut in benefit a reduction in something you recieve that millions in the country don't.
they have to pay for the bedroom ..so how is it not a tax ..they have to find that money from somewhere ..so then they will be going on about child poverty as they cant afford to feed their kids properly ...and yes they did cut the housing benefit and council tax benefit so that is 3 extra bills to pay out money which they were struggling on to start with ...so yes it is robbing the poor ..and people who have private landlords dont have to pay the bedroom tax ..so how is that fair !!
Oh dear where to start. I pay for all my house so am I paying house tax? Am I hell. I'm paying my way thats all. I have no sparerooms in my house me and my family would love a bigger house but the truth is at the moment we can't afford one and nor do we expect the taxpayer to fund one for us. If people are getting into debt because they can't afford where they live then maybe they should look to move elsewhere. Many though are sitting through it thinking they will go back to old ways if Labour come back in and reverse the tax allowing them to live in oversized houses forever more at the taxpayers expense. They have to pay for the bedroom how is that not a tax, what a weak weak argument. It's not a tax because it's a reduction in benefit. I get no benefit to pay for any of my house so there is nothing to cut. So if someone is getting £400 a month from the taxpayer but now gets £350 please explain how that is a tax?
we pay for our house with no benefits but my neice who has a boy and a girl ..has a 3 bedroomed house which the council put her in as they were knocking down her 2 bedroomed flat ..they got a reduction in housing benefit ..PLUS a bedroom tax ..all in all she has to pay out an extra £32 a week out of what she was already getting and struggling on ...she is at college so is not a stay at home single mum ...you seem to think the reduction of housing benefit is all they got but it isnt !!
No offence but if your neice has no qualifications and no job then why the hell has she had 2 children that she can't afford to support? She knows the taxpayer will pick up the tab for her reckless behaviour. I hope measures such as the spare room subsidy and benefit cuts discourage this kind of lifestyle choice as it benefits nobody.
she was working before the children ..and was married ..but he left is that her fault no ..now she is trying to better herself ...and its not wreckless to have kids ..how dare you ..i ave 6 ..does that make me bad ..no it doesnt ..we arent on benefits ....we pay our own bills etc ...i hope to god you never get in a situation where you lose your job and have to rely on benefits ....all these people on here think they know it all ...my partner was laid off for 6 mths last year as he works in construction and jobs were hard to find ..we lived off our savings for the first 4 mths then had to go on job seekers ..and i kid you not it was hard ..i dont know how people survive on the little bit you get ..we are in our 50's and have worked all our lives and to get less than somebody who is an alcoholic or a drug user is an insult ...luckily my partner got another job ...but if he hadnt we wouldve had to sell our house ..so dont preach if you dont know what is round the corner ..because you have no right !!!
No-one on here will claim being on benefits is easy. yes some know the system and do well out of it but claiming benefits in any way shape or form should make people literally survive. There should be money for food and bills and thats it. No cigs, alcohol, holidays. new tv's etc etc just the basics to keep them alive. Thats what benefits are for.

With your niece though Im confused. You say she was in work when married but is now at college. Wouldnt it be better for her to go back to work rather than college? Also no doubt the ex husband is contributing to his children so

Lets say £200 per child per month in child support £400
Council Tax Benefit - Zero to pay
Free school uniforms and prescriptions
Free dental
etc etc etc etc

And you saying its not fair she should have to pay out an extra £34? Why not get her ex husband to put up some of the money as after all presumably they are his kids.

What you have described with regards to your husband and yourself is exactly what the benefit system was set up for. To temporarily assist people with the basics in life so in essence what you are saying is the system works.
they have council tax to pay as that was reduced also ..she doesnt get child support as he keeps moving address so cant find him ..she does her best ..but your saying you should only have money left for food and bills ..she also has to buy clothes and shoes ..and school trips when they come up ...the price of food is rising all the time ..and yes i know its hitting all of us but when you only have a certain amount to play with at the end of th month and you have to choose whether to pay a bill or buy your child a new winter coat it is hard .....and she does buy most clothes from charity shops ..but they dont sell everything ..and i still dont think its right for people living in private houses are getting away with bedroom tax ...it should be made for all to pay not just those in social housing ...and yes i agree with you they shouldnt be able to afford a holiday ..as we havent been on one for about 5 years now as theyre so expensive and its even harder now they are fining parents for taking kids out at termtime ...!!
[quote][p][bold]Andy2010[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]bubble64[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Farsley Bantam[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]bubble64[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Thee Voice of Reason[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]bubble64[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Thee Voice of Reason[/bold] wrote: I have to pay for 100% of my own house, I have no spare rooms. Yet I have to feel sorry for those living in houses bigger than they need which are subsidised by the state bit not to the level they used to be. How many have actually bother to look to downsize? I'm betting not many. Some are staying put hoping labour come back in to subsidise their over sized house again no doubt. Lets also get this right, it is not a tax. A tax is something you pay, this is a cut in benefit a reduction in something you recieve that millions in the country don't.[/p][/quote]they have to pay for the bedroom ..so how is it not a tax ..they have to find that money from somewhere ..so then they will be going on about child poverty as they cant afford to feed their kids properly ...and yes they did cut the housing benefit and council tax benefit so that is 3 extra bills to pay out money which they were struggling on to start with ...so yes it is robbing the poor ..and people who have private landlords dont have to pay the bedroom tax ..so how is that fair !![/p][/quote]Oh dear where to start. I pay for all my house so am I paying house tax? Am I hell. I'm paying my way thats all. I have no sparerooms in my house me and my family would love a bigger house but the truth is at the moment we can't afford one and nor do we expect the taxpayer to fund one for us. If people are getting into debt because they can't afford where they live then maybe they should look to move elsewhere. Many though are sitting through it thinking they will go back to old ways if Labour come back in and reverse the tax allowing them to live in oversized houses forever more at the taxpayers expense. They have to pay for the bedroom how is that not a tax, what a weak weak argument. It's not a tax because it's a reduction in benefit. I get no benefit to pay for any of my house so there is nothing to cut. So if someone is getting £400 a month from the taxpayer but now gets £350 please explain how that is a tax?[/p][/quote]we pay for our house with no benefits but my neice who has a boy and a girl ..has a 3 bedroomed house which the council put her in as they were knocking down her 2 bedroomed flat ..they got a reduction in housing benefit ..PLUS a bedroom tax ..all in all she has to pay out an extra £32 a week out of what she was already getting and struggling on ...she is at college so is not a stay at home single mum ...you seem to think the reduction of housing benefit is all they got but it isnt !![/p][/quote]No offence but if your neice has no qualifications and no job then why the hell has she had 2 children that she can't afford to support? She knows the taxpayer will pick up the tab for her reckless behaviour. I hope measures such as the spare room subsidy and benefit cuts discourage this kind of lifestyle choice as it benefits nobody.[/p][/quote]she was working before the children ..and was married ..but he left is that her fault no ..now she is trying to better herself ...and its not wreckless to have kids ..how dare you ..i ave 6 ..does that make me bad ..no it doesnt ..we arent on benefits ....we pay our own bills etc ...i hope to god you never get in a situation where you lose your job and have to rely on benefits ....all these people on here think they know it all ...my partner was laid off for 6 mths last year as he works in construction and jobs were hard to find ..we lived off our savings for the first 4 mths then had to go on job seekers ..and i kid you not it was hard ..i dont know how people survive on the little bit you get ..we are in our 50's and have worked all our lives and to get less than somebody who is an alcoholic or a drug user is an insult ...luckily my partner got another job ...but if he hadnt we wouldve had to sell our house ..so dont preach if you dont know what is round the corner ..because you have no right !!![/p][/quote]No-one on here will claim being on benefits is easy. yes some know the system and do well out of it but claiming benefits in any way shape or form should make people literally survive. There should be money for food and bills and thats it. No cigs, alcohol, holidays. new tv's etc etc just the basics to keep them alive. Thats what benefits are for. With your niece though Im confused. You say she was in work when married but is now at college. Wouldnt it be better for her to go back to work rather than college? Also no doubt the ex husband is contributing to his children so Lets say £200 per child per month in child support £400 Council Tax Benefit - Zero to pay Free school uniforms and prescriptions Free dental etc etc etc etc And you saying its not fair she should have to pay out an extra £34? Why not get her ex husband to put up some of the money as after all presumably they are his kids. What you have described with regards to your husband and yourself is exactly what the benefit system was set up for. To temporarily assist people with the basics in life so in essence what you are saying is the system works.[/p][/quote]they have council tax to pay as that was reduced also ..she doesnt get child support as he keeps moving address so cant find him ..she does her best ..but your saying you should only have money left for food and bills ..she also has to buy clothes and shoes ..and school trips when they come up ...the price of food is rising all the time ..and yes i know its hitting all of us but when you only have a certain amount to play with at the end of th month and you have to choose whether to pay a bill or buy your child a new winter coat it is hard .....and she does buy most clothes from charity shops ..but they dont sell everything ..and i still dont think its right for people living in private houses are getting away with bedroom tax ...it should be made for all to pay not just those in social housing ...and yes i agree with you they shouldnt be able to afford a holiday ..as we havent been on one for about 5 years now as theyre so expensive and its even harder now they are fining parents for taking kids out at termtime ...!! bubble64
  • Score: -3

2:20pm Tue 1 Apr 14

RollandSmoke says...

As I've said before unless someone can produce evidence of a "spare room subsidy" being paid to those people who are now expected to pay for it's removal it is a tax. Those expected to pay have also been told they need to find 25% of their council tax. I can hear the Tories cheering now but where is someone on benefit expected to find this money from? They were classed as receiving the legal minimum that someone could be expected to live on before any of the changes to their housing benefit and council tax so what are they expected to do without in order to pay? Food, heating? And when they have become unwell due to not eating properly or due to the cold the Tories are now talking about charging them for their NHS hospital treatment. Why don't the Tories at least come clean about the fact that they are expecting, and some rubbing their hands with glee at the prospect of, people dying? It's obvious that this will be the outcome for some of the poor, the weak and the vulnerable. If they rounded them all up, put them in the back of wagons and shipped them off to gas chambers it would be more honest. Some of the Tories will be thinking that's not a bad idea and be wondering if they could get away with it? Of course they could because the British public are a spineless bunch and will let the psychopaths in Westminster do what they like.
As I've said before unless someone can produce evidence of a "spare room subsidy" being paid to those people who are now expected to pay for it's removal it is a tax. Those expected to pay have also been told they need to find 25% of their council tax. I can hear the Tories cheering now but where is someone on benefit expected to find this money from? They were classed as receiving the legal minimum that someone could be expected to live on before any of the changes to their housing benefit and council tax so what are they expected to do without in order to pay? Food, heating? And when they have become unwell due to not eating properly or due to the cold the Tories are now talking about charging them for their NHS hospital treatment. Why don't the Tories at least come clean about the fact that they are expecting, and some rubbing their hands with glee at the prospect of, people dying? It's obvious that this will be the outcome for some of the poor, the weak and the vulnerable. If they rounded them all up, put them in the back of wagons and shipped them off to gas chambers it would be more honest. Some of the Tories will be thinking that's not a bad idea and be wondering if they could get away with it? Of course they could because the British public are a spineless bunch and will let the psychopaths in Westminster do what they like. RollandSmoke
  • Score: -13

2:30pm Tue 1 Apr 14

Farsley Bantam says...

RollandSmoke wrote:
As I've said before unless someone can produce evidence of a "spare room subsidy" being paid to those people who are now expected to pay for it's removal it is a tax. Those expected to pay have also been told they need to find 25% of their council tax. I can hear the Tories cheering now but where is someone on benefit expected to find this money from? They were classed as receiving the legal minimum that someone could be expected to live on before any of the changes to their housing benefit and council tax so what are they expected to do without in order to pay? Food, heating? And when they have become unwell due to not eating properly or due to the cold the Tories are now talking about charging them for their NHS hospital treatment. Why don't the Tories at least come clean about the fact that they are expecting, and some rubbing their hands with glee at the prospect of, people dying? It's obvious that this will be the outcome for some of the poor, the weak and the vulnerable. If they rounded them all up, put them in the back of wagons and shipped them off to gas chambers it would be more honest. Some of the Tories will be thinking that's not a bad idea and be wondering if they could get away with it? Of course they could because the British public are a spineless bunch and will let the psychopaths in Westminster do what they like.
Usual sensationalist hyperbolic nonsense.
[quote][p][bold]RollandSmoke[/bold] wrote: As I've said before unless someone can produce evidence of a "spare room subsidy" being paid to those people who are now expected to pay for it's removal it is a tax. Those expected to pay have also been told they need to find 25% of their council tax. I can hear the Tories cheering now but where is someone on benefit expected to find this money from? They were classed as receiving the legal minimum that someone could be expected to live on before any of the changes to their housing benefit and council tax so what are they expected to do without in order to pay? Food, heating? And when they have become unwell due to not eating properly or due to the cold the Tories are now talking about charging them for their NHS hospital treatment. Why don't the Tories at least come clean about the fact that they are expecting, and some rubbing their hands with glee at the prospect of, people dying? It's obvious that this will be the outcome for some of the poor, the weak and the vulnerable. If they rounded them all up, put them in the back of wagons and shipped them off to gas chambers it would be more honest. Some of the Tories will be thinking that's not a bad idea and be wondering if they could get away with it? Of course they could because the British public are a spineless bunch and will let the psychopaths in Westminster do what they like.[/p][/quote]Usual sensationalist hyperbolic nonsense. Farsley Bantam
  • Score: 9

2:40pm Tue 1 Apr 14

RollandSmoke says...

What the bedroom tax is really about it forcing people out of social housing and into the private rented sector. It costs more for people to be housed in the private sector but lets ignore that fact as it then means the rich Tories with their portfolios of ex council housing stock make a fortune out of the taxpayer through housing benefit and the benefit claimant who was being housed cheaper in social housing gets the blame. You are being taken for fools. Unfortunately in most cases I would agree with that analysis. Either that or you are so consumed with hate for your fellow man that you prefer to attack the people who are suffering whilst totally ignoring the facts that are causing them to suffer. By staying quiet on this issue you are complicit in any deaths or suicides that occur as a result of these policies and you share the blood on your hands.
What the bedroom tax is really about it forcing people out of social housing and into the private rented sector. It costs more for people to be housed in the private sector but lets ignore that fact as it then means the rich Tories with their portfolios of ex council housing stock make a fortune out of the taxpayer through housing benefit and the benefit claimant who was being housed cheaper in social housing gets the blame. You are being taken for fools. Unfortunately in most cases I would agree with that analysis. Either that or you are so consumed with hate for your fellow man that you prefer to attack the people who are suffering whilst totally ignoring the facts that are causing them to suffer. By staying quiet on this issue you are complicit in any deaths or suicides that occur as a result of these policies and you share the blood on your hands. RollandSmoke
  • Score: -12

2:41pm Tue 1 Apr 14

RollandSmoke says...

Farsley Bantam wrote:
RollandSmoke wrote:
As I've said before unless someone can produce evidence of a "spare room subsidy" being paid to those people who are now expected to pay for it's removal it is a tax. Those expected to pay have also been told they need to find 25% of their council tax. I can hear the Tories cheering now but where is someone on benefit expected to find this money from? They were classed as receiving the legal minimum that someone could be expected to live on before any of the changes to their housing benefit and council tax so what are they expected to do without in order to pay? Food, heating? And when they have become unwell due to not eating properly or due to the cold the Tories are now talking about charging them for their NHS hospital treatment. Why don't the Tories at least come clean about the fact that they are expecting, and some rubbing their hands with glee at the prospect of, people dying? It's obvious that this will be the outcome for some of the poor, the weak and the vulnerable. If they rounded them all up, put them in the back of wagons and shipped them off to gas chambers it would be more honest. Some of the Tories will be thinking that's not a bad idea and be wondering if they could get away with it? Of course they could because the British public are a spineless bunch and will let the psychopaths in Westminster do what they like.
Usual sensationalist hyperbolic nonsense.
Which bits are untrue?
[quote][p][bold]Farsley Bantam[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]RollandSmoke[/bold] wrote: As I've said before unless someone can produce evidence of a "spare room subsidy" being paid to those people who are now expected to pay for it's removal it is a tax. Those expected to pay have also been told they need to find 25% of their council tax. I can hear the Tories cheering now but where is someone on benefit expected to find this money from? They were classed as receiving the legal minimum that someone could be expected to live on before any of the changes to their housing benefit and council tax so what are they expected to do without in order to pay? Food, heating? And when they have become unwell due to not eating properly or due to the cold the Tories are now talking about charging them for their NHS hospital treatment. Why don't the Tories at least come clean about the fact that they are expecting, and some rubbing their hands with glee at the prospect of, people dying? It's obvious that this will be the outcome for some of the poor, the weak and the vulnerable. If they rounded them all up, put them in the back of wagons and shipped them off to gas chambers it would be more honest. Some of the Tories will be thinking that's not a bad idea and be wondering if they could get away with it? Of course they could because the British public are a spineless bunch and will let the psychopaths in Westminster do what they like.[/p][/quote]Usual sensationalist hyperbolic nonsense.[/p][/quote]Which bits are untrue? RollandSmoke
  • Score: -7

2:54pm Tue 1 Apr 14

Farsley Bantam says...

RollandSmoke wrote:
Farsley Bantam wrote:
RollandSmoke wrote: As I've said before unless someone can produce evidence of a "spare room subsidy" being paid to those people who are now expected to pay for it's removal it is a tax. Those expected to pay have also been told they need to find 25% of their council tax. I can hear the Tories cheering now but where is someone on benefit expected to find this money from? They were classed as receiving the legal minimum that someone could be expected to live on before any of the changes to their housing benefit and council tax so what are they expected to do without in order to pay? Food, heating? And when they have become unwell due to not eating properly or due to the cold the Tories are now talking about charging them for their NHS hospital treatment. Why don't the Tories at least come clean about the fact that they are expecting, and some rubbing their hands with glee at the prospect of, people dying? It's obvious that this will be the outcome for some of the poor, the weak and the vulnerable. If they rounded them all up, put them in the back of wagons and shipped them off to gas chambers it would be more honest. Some of the Tories will be thinking that's not a bad idea and be wondering if they could get away with it? Of course they could because the British public are a spineless bunch and will let the psychopaths in Westminster do what they like.
Usual sensationalist hyperbolic nonsense.
Which bits are untrue?
That the Tories want poor people to die and would like to round them up and gas them - Sensationalist nonsense that is obviously untrue.

Also do you include yourself when you call the British public 'spineless' or do you consider writing annonymous comments on the T&A website taking a stand and sticking it to the man?
[quote][p][bold]RollandSmoke[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Farsley Bantam[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]RollandSmoke[/bold] wrote: As I've said before unless someone can produce evidence of a "spare room subsidy" being paid to those people who are now expected to pay for it's removal it is a tax. Those expected to pay have also been told they need to find 25% of their council tax. I can hear the Tories cheering now but where is someone on benefit expected to find this money from? They were classed as receiving the legal minimum that someone could be expected to live on before any of the changes to their housing benefit and council tax so what are they expected to do without in order to pay? Food, heating? And when they have become unwell due to not eating properly or due to the cold the Tories are now talking about charging them for their NHS hospital treatment. Why don't the Tories at least come clean about the fact that they are expecting, and some rubbing their hands with glee at the prospect of, people dying? It's obvious that this will be the outcome for some of the poor, the weak and the vulnerable. If they rounded them all up, put them in the back of wagons and shipped them off to gas chambers it would be more honest. Some of the Tories will be thinking that's not a bad idea and be wondering if they could get away with it? Of course they could because the British public are a spineless bunch and will let the psychopaths in Westminster do what they like.[/p][/quote]Usual sensationalist hyperbolic nonsense.[/p][/quote]Which bits are untrue?[/p][/quote]That the Tories want poor people to die and would like to round them up and gas them - Sensationalist nonsense that is obviously untrue. Also do you include yourself when you call the British public 'spineless' or do you consider writing annonymous comments on the T&A website taking a stand and sticking it to the man? Farsley Bantam
  • Score: 8

3:06pm Tue 1 Apr 14

Andy2010 says...

Farsley Bantam wrote:
RollandSmoke wrote:
Farsley Bantam wrote:
RollandSmoke wrote: As I've said before unless someone can produce evidence of a "spare room subsidy" being paid to those people who are now expected to pay for it's removal it is a tax. Those expected to pay have also been told they need to find 25% of their council tax. I can hear the Tories cheering now but where is someone on benefit expected to find this money from? They were classed as receiving the legal minimum that someone could be expected to live on before any of the changes to their housing benefit and council tax so what are they expected to do without in order to pay? Food, heating? And when they have become unwell due to not eating properly or due to the cold the Tories are now talking about charging them for their NHS hospital treatment. Why don't the Tories at least come clean about the fact that they are expecting, and some rubbing their hands with glee at the prospect of, people dying? It's obvious that this will be the outcome for some of the poor, the weak and the vulnerable. If they rounded them all up, put them in the back of wagons and shipped them off to gas chambers it would be more honest. Some of the Tories will be thinking that's not a bad idea and be wondering if they could get away with it? Of course they could because the British public are a spineless bunch and will let the psychopaths in Westminster do what they like.
Usual sensationalist hyperbolic nonsense.
Which bits are untrue?
That the Tories want poor people to die and would like to round them up and gas them - Sensationalist nonsense that is obviously untrue.

Also do you include yourself when you call the British public 'spineless' or do you consider writing annonymous comments on the T&A website taking a stand and sticking it to the man?
There no talking to our good old Rollie when the word Tory is mentioned. He forgets the fact that this "tax" was actually initially started by Labour...Thats a bit of an inconvenient truth though to his spoutings.

That aside though and this may seem like a crazy idea but the people in receipt of housing benefit that have had this cut could always get a job and not claim anything anymore. I know that concept is wacky and out there and you will respond with some usual copy and pasted rubbish with some links to the Telegraph website but if they did then they wouldn't have a problem.

Heres a little fact for you Rollie. The average time a "family" claim housing benefit now stands at 6 years .....that's 6 years !!. So you are telling me that in 6 years they are unable to get any job of any kind? Of course not...they are just living of the state rather than contributing
[quote][p][bold]Farsley Bantam[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]RollandSmoke[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Farsley Bantam[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]RollandSmoke[/bold] wrote: As I've said before unless someone can produce evidence of a "spare room subsidy" being paid to those people who are now expected to pay for it's removal it is a tax. Those expected to pay have also been told they need to find 25% of their council tax. I can hear the Tories cheering now but where is someone on benefit expected to find this money from? They were classed as receiving the legal minimum that someone could be expected to live on before any of the changes to their housing benefit and council tax so what are they expected to do without in order to pay? Food, heating? And when they have become unwell due to not eating properly or due to the cold the Tories are now talking about charging them for their NHS hospital treatment. Why don't the Tories at least come clean about the fact that they are expecting, and some rubbing their hands with glee at the prospect of, people dying? It's obvious that this will be the outcome for some of the poor, the weak and the vulnerable. If they rounded them all up, put them in the back of wagons and shipped them off to gas chambers it would be more honest. Some of the Tories will be thinking that's not a bad idea and be wondering if they could get away with it? Of course they could because the British public are a spineless bunch and will let the psychopaths in Westminster do what they like.[/p][/quote]Usual sensationalist hyperbolic nonsense.[/p][/quote]Which bits are untrue?[/p][/quote]That the Tories want poor people to die and would like to round them up and gas them - Sensationalist nonsense that is obviously untrue. Also do you include yourself when you call the British public 'spineless' or do you consider writing annonymous comments on the T&A website taking a stand and sticking it to the man?[/p][/quote]There no talking to our good old Rollie when the word Tory is mentioned. He forgets the fact that this "tax" was actually initially started by Labour...Thats a bit of an inconvenient truth though to his spoutings. That aside though and this may seem like a crazy idea but the people in receipt of housing benefit that have had this cut could always get a job and not claim anything anymore. I know that concept is wacky and out there and you will respond with some usual copy and pasted rubbish with some links to the Telegraph website but if they did then they wouldn't have a problem. Heres a little fact for you Rollie. The average time a "family" claim housing benefit now stands at 6 years .....that's 6 years !!. So you are telling me that in 6 years they are unable to get any job of any kind? Of course not...they are just living of the state rather than contributing Andy2010
  • Score: 10

3:11pm Tue 1 Apr 14

RollandSmoke says...

Farsley Bantam wrote:
RollandSmoke wrote:
Farsley Bantam wrote:
RollandSmoke wrote: As I've said before unless someone can produce evidence of a "spare room subsidy" being paid to those people who are now expected to pay for it's removal it is a tax. Those expected to pay have also been told they need to find 25% of their council tax. I can hear the Tories cheering now but where is someone on benefit expected to find this money from? They were classed as receiving the legal minimum that someone could be expected to live on before any of the changes to their housing benefit and council tax so what are they expected to do without in order to pay? Food, heating? And when they have become unwell due to not eating properly or due to the cold the Tories are now talking about charging them for their NHS hospital treatment. Why don't the Tories at least come clean about the fact that they are expecting, and some rubbing their hands with glee at the prospect of, people dying? It's obvious that this will be the outcome for some of the poor, the weak and the vulnerable. If they rounded them all up, put them in the back of wagons and shipped them off to gas chambers it would be more honest. Some of the Tories will be thinking that's not a bad idea and be wondering if they could get away with it? Of course they could because the British public are a spineless bunch and will let the psychopaths in Westminster do what they like.
Usual sensationalist hyperbolic nonsense.
Which bits are untrue?
That the Tories want poor people to die and would like to round them up and gas them - Sensationalist nonsense that is obviously untrue.

Also do you include yourself when you call the British public 'spineless' or do you consider writing annonymous comments on the T&A website taking a stand and sticking it to the man?
Ok I'm posting anonymously I'll give you that. Although if you're really that bothered about who I am my names Andy Brown. I live in Windhill Shipley (hopefully that will stop the clever sods who keep trying to remove my right to anonymity) I can tell you this as I'm not scared of anyone knowing who I am, Hell I've posted enough videos telling everyone that the guy in them is RollandSmoke/Andy Brown. So they don't actually want them to die they just want them to suffer, is that what you're telling me? They are causing serious financial and emotional distress for a lot of people. Some will be able to cope with that distress for a short period of time but we are not talking about a short period of time are we? We are talking constant and ongoing distress. Some will crack and will require treatment, all at the taxpayers expense and others will not get the help they need in time. There will be deaths, there have already been deaths. The government knows this. Is the policy under review? No.
[quote][p][bold]Farsley Bantam[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]RollandSmoke[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Farsley Bantam[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]RollandSmoke[/bold] wrote: As I've said before unless someone can produce evidence of a "spare room subsidy" being paid to those people who are now expected to pay for it's removal it is a tax. Those expected to pay have also been told they need to find 25% of their council tax. I can hear the Tories cheering now but where is someone on benefit expected to find this money from? They were classed as receiving the legal minimum that someone could be expected to live on before any of the changes to their housing benefit and council tax so what are they expected to do without in order to pay? Food, heating? And when they have become unwell due to not eating properly or due to the cold the Tories are now talking about charging them for their NHS hospital treatment. Why don't the Tories at least come clean about the fact that they are expecting, and some rubbing their hands with glee at the prospect of, people dying? It's obvious that this will be the outcome for some of the poor, the weak and the vulnerable. If they rounded them all up, put them in the back of wagons and shipped them off to gas chambers it would be more honest. Some of the Tories will be thinking that's not a bad idea and be wondering if they could get away with it? Of course they could because the British public are a spineless bunch and will let the psychopaths in Westminster do what they like.[/p][/quote]Usual sensationalist hyperbolic nonsense.[/p][/quote]Which bits are untrue?[/p][/quote]That the Tories want poor people to die and would like to round them up and gas them - Sensationalist nonsense that is obviously untrue. Also do you include yourself when you call the British public 'spineless' or do you consider writing annonymous comments on the T&A website taking a stand and sticking it to the man?[/p][/quote]Ok I'm posting anonymously I'll give you that. Although if you're really that bothered about who I am my names Andy Brown. I live in Windhill Shipley (hopefully that will stop the clever sods who keep trying to remove my right to anonymity) I can tell you this as I'm not scared of anyone knowing who I am, Hell I've posted enough videos telling everyone that the guy in them is RollandSmoke/Andy Brown. So they don't actually want them to die they just want them to suffer, is that what you're telling me? They are causing serious financial and emotional distress for a lot of people. Some will be able to cope with that distress for a short period of time but we are not talking about a short period of time are we? We are talking constant and ongoing distress. Some will crack and will require treatment, all at the taxpayers expense and others will not get the help they need in time. There will be deaths, there have already been deaths. The government knows this. Is the policy under review? No. RollandSmoke
  • Score: -4

3:24pm Tue 1 Apr 14

RollandSmoke says...

Andy2010 wrote:
Farsley Bantam wrote:
RollandSmoke wrote:
Farsley Bantam wrote:
RollandSmoke wrote: As I've said before unless someone can produce evidence of a "spare room subsidy" being paid to those people who are now expected to pay for it's removal it is a tax. Those expected to pay have also been told they need to find 25% of their council tax. I can hear the Tories cheering now but where is someone on benefit expected to find this money from? They were classed as receiving the legal minimum that someone could be expected to live on before any of the changes to their housing benefit and council tax so what are they expected to do without in order to pay? Food, heating? And when they have become unwell due to not eating properly or due to the cold the Tories are now talking about charging them for their NHS hospital treatment. Why don't the Tories at least come clean about the fact that they are expecting, and some rubbing their hands with glee at the prospect of, people dying? It's obvious that this will be the outcome for some of the poor, the weak and the vulnerable. If they rounded them all up, put them in the back of wagons and shipped them off to gas chambers it would be more honest. Some of the Tories will be thinking that's not a bad idea and be wondering if they could get away with it? Of course they could because the British public are a spineless bunch and will let the psychopaths in Westminster do what they like.
Usual sensationalist hyperbolic nonsense.
Which bits are untrue?
That the Tories want poor people to die and would like to round them up and gas them - Sensationalist nonsense that is obviously untrue.

Also do you include yourself when you call the British public 'spineless' or do you consider writing annonymous comments on the T&A website taking a stand and sticking it to the man?
There no talking to our good old Rollie when the word Tory is mentioned. He forgets the fact that this "tax" was actually initially started by Labour...Thats a bit of an inconvenient truth though to his spoutings.

That aside though and this may seem like a crazy idea but the people in receipt of housing benefit that have had this cut could always get a job and not claim anything anymore. I know that concept is wacky and out there and you will respond with some usual copy and pasted rubbish with some links to the Telegraph website but if they did then they wouldn't have a problem.

Heres a little fact for you Rollie. The average time a "family" claim housing benefit now stands at 6 years .....that's 6 years !!. So you are telling me that in 6 years they are unable to get any job of any kind? Of course not...they are just living of the state rather than contributing
How much do you get paid for your comments Andy? Here's a little fact for you Andy there are people who win the lottery, that does not mean however that everyone wins the lottery. I cannot deny that some people do actually win but that doesn't mean that when you site an example of someone who has I shouldn't call you an idiot if you use that example to state that the lottery makes everyone a winner. Thanks for ignoring the fact that unlike some areas of the country Bradford's unemployment rate is not falling and taking full advantage of the opportunity to give people a kicking when they are down. Keep throwing that one in my face and any day now my health concerns will just disappear. I'm not sure if you are an idiot or just an arsehole but I don't like you Andy, you are a very sick individual.
[quote][p][bold]Andy2010[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Farsley Bantam[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]RollandSmoke[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Farsley Bantam[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]RollandSmoke[/bold] wrote: As I've said before unless someone can produce evidence of a "spare room subsidy" being paid to those people who are now expected to pay for it's removal it is a tax. Those expected to pay have also been told they need to find 25% of their council tax. I can hear the Tories cheering now but where is someone on benefit expected to find this money from? They were classed as receiving the legal minimum that someone could be expected to live on before any of the changes to their housing benefit and council tax so what are they expected to do without in order to pay? Food, heating? And when they have become unwell due to not eating properly or due to the cold the Tories are now talking about charging them for their NHS hospital treatment. Why don't the Tories at least come clean about the fact that they are expecting, and some rubbing their hands with glee at the prospect of, people dying? It's obvious that this will be the outcome for some of the poor, the weak and the vulnerable. If they rounded them all up, put them in the back of wagons and shipped them off to gas chambers it would be more honest. Some of the Tories will be thinking that's not a bad idea and be wondering if they could get away with it? Of course they could because the British public are a spineless bunch and will let the psychopaths in Westminster do what they like.[/p][/quote]Usual sensationalist hyperbolic nonsense.[/p][/quote]Which bits are untrue?[/p][/quote]That the Tories want poor people to die and would like to round them up and gas them - Sensationalist nonsense that is obviously untrue. Also do you include yourself when you call the British public 'spineless' or do you consider writing annonymous comments on the T&A website taking a stand and sticking it to the man?[/p][/quote]There no talking to our good old Rollie when the word Tory is mentioned. He forgets the fact that this "tax" was actually initially started by Labour...Thats a bit of an inconvenient truth though to his spoutings. That aside though and this may seem like a crazy idea but the people in receipt of housing benefit that have had this cut could always get a job and not claim anything anymore. I know that concept is wacky and out there and you will respond with some usual copy and pasted rubbish with some links to the Telegraph website but if they did then they wouldn't have a problem. Heres a little fact for you Rollie. The average time a "family" claim housing benefit now stands at 6 years .....that's 6 years !!. So you are telling me that in 6 years they are unable to get any job of any kind? Of course not...they are just living of the state rather than contributing[/p][/quote]How much do you get paid for your comments Andy? Here's a little fact for you Andy there are people who win the lottery, that does not mean however that everyone wins the lottery. I cannot deny that some people do actually win but that doesn't mean that when you site an example of someone who has I shouldn't call you an idiot if you use that example to state that the lottery makes everyone a winner. Thanks for ignoring the fact that unlike some areas of the country Bradford's unemployment rate is not falling and taking full advantage of the opportunity to give people a kicking when they are down. Keep throwing that one in my face and any day now my health concerns will just disappear. I'm not sure if you are an idiot or just an arsehole but I don't like you Andy, you are a very sick individual. RollandSmoke
  • Score: -6

3:38pm Tue 1 Apr 14

RollandSmoke says...

Do you Tories have a ring round every time I post to get all the little Tory minions to quickly come and thumb me down? I note that Labour are now being held responsible for the bedroom tax. It's amazing that 4 years into this government and as yet they haven't taken responsibility for anything. Come on you spineless thumbers lets hear what the useless coalition government have done. I'll start you off. They have funded terrorists in Syria and through their propaganda mouthpiece the BBC they "staged" an alleged chemical attack in Syria to try and trick the British public into going to war. You go next, I've got loads more.
Do you Tories have a ring round every time I post to get all the little Tory minions to quickly come and thumb me down? I note that Labour are now being held responsible for the bedroom tax. It's amazing that 4 years into this government and as yet they haven't taken responsibility for anything. Come on you spineless thumbers lets hear what the useless coalition government have done. I'll start you off. They have funded terrorists in Syria and through their propaganda mouthpiece the BBC they "staged" an alleged chemical attack in Syria to try and trick the British public into going to war. You go next, I've got loads more. RollandSmoke
  • Score: -10

4:12pm Tue 1 Apr 14

Farsley Bantam says...

RollandSmoke wrote:
Do you Tories have a ring round every time I post to get all the little Tory minions to quickly come and thumb me down? I note that Labour are now being held responsible for the bedroom tax. It's amazing that 4 years into this government and as yet they haven't taken responsibility for anything. Come on you spineless thumbers lets hear what the useless coalition government have done. I'll start you off. They have funded terrorists in Syria and through their propaganda mouthpiece the BBC they "staged" an alleged chemical attack in Syria to try and trick the British public into going to war. You go next, I've got loads more.
Not everyone who approves of benefit cuts is a rich Tory with hatred of the poor. In fact the people who are most in favour of benefit cuts are those working full time on low incomes who live on the same streets as the career benefit claimants. If you'd walked into the warehouse canteen where I work at lunchtime you would have heard them complaining how they are almost worse off by working than those who sit idle at home. Ofcourse you'll tell me that this is all lies made up by the right wing press to demonise the poor and a tactic of divide and rule politics?
[quote][p][bold]RollandSmoke[/bold] wrote: Do you Tories have a ring round every time I post to get all the little Tory minions to quickly come and thumb me down? I note that Labour are now being held responsible for the bedroom tax. It's amazing that 4 years into this government and as yet they haven't taken responsibility for anything. Come on you spineless thumbers lets hear what the useless coalition government have done. I'll start you off. They have funded terrorists in Syria and through their propaganda mouthpiece the BBC they "staged" an alleged chemical attack in Syria to try and trick the British public into going to war. You go next, I've got loads more.[/p][/quote]Not everyone who approves of benefit cuts is a rich Tory with hatred of the poor. In fact the people who are most in favour of benefit cuts are those working full time on low incomes who live on the same streets as the career benefit claimants. If you'd walked into the warehouse canteen where I work at lunchtime you would have heard them complaining how they are almost worse off by working than those who sit idle at home. Ofcourse you'll tell me that this is all lies made up by the right wing press to demonise the poor and a tactic of divide and rule politics? Farsley Bantam
  • Score: 10

4:18pm Tue 1 Apr 14

RollandSmoke says...

Farsley Bantam wrote:
RollandSmoke wrote:
Do you Tories have a ring round every time I post to get all the little Tory minions to quickly come and thumb me down? I note that Labour are now being held responsible for the bedroom tax. It's amazing that 4 years into this government and as yet they haven't taken responsibility for anything. Come on you spineless thumbers lets hear what the useless coalition government have done. I'll start you off. They have funded terrorists in Syria and through their propaganda mouthpiece the BBC they "staged" an alleged chemical attack in Syria to try and trick the British public into going to war. You go next, I've got loads more.
Not everyone who approves of benefit cuts is a rich Tory with hatred of the poor. In fact the people who are most in favour of benefit cuts are those working full time on low incomes who live on the same streets as the career benefit claimants. If you'd walked into the warehouse canteen where I work at lunchtime you would have heard them complaining how they are almost worse off by working than those who sit idle at home. Ofcourse you'll tell me that this is all lies made up by the right wing press to demonise the poor and a tactic of divide and rule politics?
I'd say there was a wages issue. It's obvious that this is the case or there wouldn't be so many workers who are themselves reliant on benefits. Attacking those who for whatever reason have been unable to find work at a time of job cuts and no investment will do nothing to address this wages issue and anyone making a stand to try and improve the situation is attacked for doing so as how dare they try and improve the situation for themselves when the workers in your canteen are forced to survive on crap wages and do not have anyone to represent them in any wage negotiations.
[quote][p][bold]Farsley Bantam[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]RollandSmoke[/bold] wrote: Do you Tories have a ring round every time I post to get all the little Tory minions to quickly come and thumb me down? I note that Labour are now being held responsible for the bedroom tax. It's amazing that 4 years into this government and as yet they haven't taken responsibility for anything. Come on you spineless thumbers lets hear what the useless coalition government have done. I'll start you off. They have funded terrorists in Syria and through their propaganda mouthpiece the BBC they "staged" an alleged chemical attack in Syria to try and trick the British public into going to war. You go next, I've got loads more.[/p][/quote]Not everyone who approves of benefit cuts is a rich Tory with hatred of the poor. In fact the people who are most in favour of benefit cuts are those working full time on low incomes who live on the same streets as the career benefit claimants. If you'd walked into the warehouse canteen where I work at lunchtime you would have heard them complaining how they are almost worse off by working than those who sit idle at home. Ofcourse you'll tell me that this is all lies made up by the right wing press to demonise the poor and a tactic of divide and rule politics?[/p][/quote]I'd say there was a wages issue. It's obvious that this is the case or there wouldn't be so many workers who are themselves reliant on benefits. Attacking those who for whatever reason have been unable to find work at a time of job cuts and no investment will do nothing to address this wages issue and anyone making a stand to try and improve the situation is attacked for doing so as how dare they try and improve the situation for themselves when the workers in your canteen are forced to survive on crap wages and do not have anyone to represent them in any wage negotiations. RollandSmoke
  • Score: -7

4:38pm Tue 1 Apr 14

Farsley Bantam says...

RollandSmoke wrote:
Farsley Bantam wrote:
RollandSmoke wrote: Do you Tories have a ring round every time I post to get all the little Tory minions to quickly come and thumb me down? I note that Labour are now being held responsible for the bedroom tax. It's amazing that 4 years into this government and as yet they haven't taken responsibility for anything. Come on you spineless thumbers lets hear what the useless coalition government have done. I'll start you off. They have funded terrorists in Syria and through their propaganda mouthpiece the BBC they "staged" an alleged chemical attack in Syria to try and trick the British public into going to war. You go next, I've got loads more.
Not everyone who approves of benefit cuts is a rich Tory with hatred of the poor. In fact the people who are most in favour of benefit cuts are those working full time on low incomes who live on the same streets as the career benefit claimants. If you'd walked into the warehouse canteen where I work at lunchtime you would have heard them complaining how they are almost worse off by working than those who sit idle at home. Ofcourse you'll tell me that this is all lies made up by the right wing press to demonise the poor and a tactic of divide and rule politics?
I'd say there was a wages issue. It's obvious that this is the case or there wouldn't be so many workers who are themselves reliant on benefits. Attacking those who for whatever reason have been unable to find work at a time of job cuts and no investment will do nothing to address this wages issue and anyone making a stand to try and improve the situation is attacked for doing so as how dare they try and improve the situation for themselves when the workers in your canteen are forced to survive on crap wages and do not have anyone to represent them in any wage negotiations.
Which one is it then - a wages issue or lack of jobs?

The implication of your post is that the jobs are there, it's just the wages are too low to tempt people off a life of benefits. Another way of looking at this is that benefits are too high.
[quote][p][bold]RollandSmoke[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Farsley Bantam[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]RollandSmoke[/bold] wrote: Do you Tories have a ring round every time I post to get all the little Tory minions to quickly come and thumb me down? I note that Labour are now being held responsible for the bedroom tax. It's amazing that 4 years into this government and as yet they haven't taken responsibility for anything. Come on you spineless thumbers lets hear what the useless coalition government have done. I'll start you off. They have funded terrorists in Syria and through their propaganda mouthpiece the BBC they "staged" an alleged chemical attack in Syria to try and trick the British public into going to war. You go next, I've got loads more.[/p][/quote]Not everyone who approves of benefit cuts is a rich Tory with hatred of the poor. In fact the people who are most in favour of benefit cuts are those working full time on low incomes who live on the same streets as the career benefit claimants. If you'd walked into the warehouse canteen where I work at lunchtime you would have heard them complaining how they are almost worse off by working than those who sit idle at home. Ofcourse you'll tell me that this is all lies made up by the right wing press to demonise the poor and a tactic of divide and rule politics?[/p][/quote]I'd say there was a wages issue. It's obvious that this is the case or there wouldn't be so many workers who are themselves reliant on benefits. Attacking those who for whatever reason have been unable to find work at a time of job cuts and no investment will do nothing to address this wages issue and anyone making a stand to try and improve the situation is attacked for doing so as how dare they try and improve the situation for themselves when the workers in your canteen are forced to survive on crap wages and do not have anyone to represent them in any wage negotiations.[/p][/quote]Which one is it then - a wages issue or lack of jobs? The implication of your post is that the jobs are there, it's just the wages are too low to tempt people off a life of benefits. Another way of looking at this is that benefits are too high. Farsley Bantam
  • Score: 7

4:58pm Tue 1 Apr 14

RollandSmoke says...

Farsley Bantam wrote:
RollandSmoke wrote:
Farsley Bantam wrote:
RollandSmoke wrote: Do you Tories have a ring round every time I post to get all the little Tory minions to quickly come and thumb me down? I note that Labour are now being held responsible for the bedroom tax. It's amazing that 4 years into this government and as yet they haven't taken responsibility for anything. Come on you spineless thumbers lets hear what the useless coalition government have done. I'll start you off. They have funded terrorists in Syria and through their propaganda mouthpiece the BBC they "staged" an alleged chemical attack in Syria to try and trick the British public into going to war. You go next, I've got loads more.
Not everyone who approves of benefit cuts is a rich Tory with hatred of the poor. In fact the people who are most in favour of benefit cuts are those working full time on low incomes who live on the same streets as the career benefit claimants. If you'd walked into the warehouse canteen where I work at lunchtime you would have heard them complaining how they are almost worse off by working than those who sit idle at home. Ofcourse you'll tell me that this is all lies made up by the right wing press to demonise the poor and a tactic of divide and rule politics?
I'd say there was a wages issue. It's obvious that this is the case or there wouldn't be so many workers who are themselves reliant on benefits. Attacking those who for whatever reason have been unable to find work at a time of job cuts and no investment will do nothing to address this wages issue and anyone making a stand to try and improve the situation is attacked for doing so as how dare they try and improve the situation for themselves when the workers in your canteen are forced to survive on crap wages and do not have anyone to represent them in any wage negotiations.
Which one is it then - a wages issue or lack of jobs?

The implication of your post is that the jobs are there, it's just the wages are too low to tempt people off a life of benefits. Another way of looking at this is that benefits are too high.
Both are equally relevant. There is a lack of jobs and this is being used as a justification to keep wages low. The fact of the matter is it doesn't matter how much you want people on benefits to suffer or how much financial and emotional distress you want to put them through it will not make crap wages any less crap and it will not create jobs. I was earning more 20 years ago than I could ever hope to get paid today. Has the cost of living reduced over that 20 years? Has it heckers like. Do you seriously believe that someone on job seekers allowance who is having to find money from that to pay bedroom tax and council tax is personally receiving too much money or is the money being paid to the landlord clouding the issue and making the benefit claimant appear to be getting too much? If your job does not reward people for their work enough that they see someone on around £70 a week minus bedroom tax and 25% council tax as being better off than them then as I say this is a wages issue.
[quote][p][bold]Farsley Bantam[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]RollandSmoke[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Farsley Bantam[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]RollandSmoke[/bold] wrote: Do you Tories have a ring round every time I post to get all the little Tory minions to quickly come and thumb me down? I note that Labour are now being held responsible for the bedroom tax. It's amazing that 4 years into this government and as yet they haven't taken responsibility for anything. Come on you spineless thumbers lets hear what the useless coalition government have done. I'll start you off. They have funded terrorists in Syria and through their propaganda mouthpiece the BBC they "staged" an alleged chemical attack in Syria to try and trick the British public into going to war. You go next, I've got loads more.[/p][/quote]Not everyone who approves of benefit cuts is a rich Tory with hatred of the poor. In fact the people who are most in favour of benefit cuts are those working full time on low incomes who live on the same streets as the career benefit claimants. If you'd walked into the warehouse canteen where I work at lunchtime you would have heard them complaining how they are almost worse off by working than those who sit idle at home. Ofcourse you'll tell me that this is all lies made up by the right wing press to demonise the poor and a tactic of divide and rule politics?[/p][/quote]I'd say there was a wages issue. It's obvious that this is the case or there wouldn't be so many workers who are themselves reliant on benefits. Attacking those who for whatever reason have been unable to find work at a time of job cuts and no investment will do nothing to address this wages issue and anyone making a stand to try and improve the situation is attacked for doing so as how dare they try and improve the situation for themselves when the workers in your canteen are forced to survive on crap wages and do not have anyone to represent them in any wage negotiations.[/p][/quote]Which one is it then - a wages issue or lack of jobs? The implication of your post is that the jobs are there, it's just the wages are too low to tempt people off a life of benefits. Another way of looking at this is that benefits are too high.[/p][/quote]Both are equally relevant. There is a lack of jobs and this is being used as a justification to keep wages low. The fact of the matter is it doesn't matter how much you want people on benefits to suffer or how much financial and emotional distress you want to put them through it will not make crap wages any less crap and it will not create jobs. I was earning more 20 years ago than I could ever hope to get paid today. Has the cost of living reduced over that 20 years? Has it heckers like. Do you seriously believe that someone on job seekers allowance who is having to find money from that to pay bedroom tax and council tax is personally receiving too much money or is the money being paid to the landlord clouding the issue and making the benefit claimant appear to be getting too much? If your job does not reward people for their work enough that they see someone on around £70 a week minus bedroom tax and 25% council tax as being better off than them then as I say this is a wages issue. RollandSmoke
  • Score: -9

5:47pm Tue 1 Apr 14

awasteoftime says...

to me it just seems to be common sense.
If you rent a private house the amount you pay depends on its size. If you go on holiday and rent an apartment, the amount you pay depends on its size, the same must apply to Local Authority housing it is no different. I knew a lady who live in a nice 3 bed Council house for many years and paid a token rent of £1.00/week, what a bargain whilst families were squeezed into much smaller homes. People need to get real something cannot be for nothing someone has to pay. Live within your budget it is the only way that will work.
to me it just seems to be common sense. If you rent a private house the amount you pay depends on its size. If you go on holiday and rent an apartment, the amount you pay depends on its size, the same must apply to Local Authority housing it is no different. I knew a lady who live in a nice 3 bed Council house for many years and paid a token rent of £1.00/week, what a bargain whilst families were squeezed into much smaller homes. People need to get real something cannot be for nothing someone has to pay. Live within your budget it is the only way that will work. awasteoftime
  • Score: 6

6:04pm Tue 1 Apr 14

RollandSmoke says...

awasteoftime wrote:
to me it just seems to be common sense.
If you rent a private house the amount you pay depends on its size. If you go on holiday and rent an apartment, the amount you pay depends on its size, the same must apply to Local Authority housing it is no different. I knew a lady who live in a nice 3 bed Council house for many years and paid a token rent of £1.00/week, what a bargain whilst families were squeezed into much smaller homes. People need to get real something cannot be for nothing someone has to pay. Live within your budget it is the only way that will work.
What you fail (deliberately in my view) to acknowledge is that after Thatcher sold off vast chunks of the social housing stock very little has been done to replace it. When someone applies for social housing then they get whatever is allocated to them. The cost of housing someone in social housing is around 25% less than it is in the private sector. There are not the properties for people to downsize to and if they go into the private sector their rental costs will be the same if not more than was being paid with the extra bedroom saving the taxpayer nothing.
[quote][p][bold]awasteoftime[/bold] wrote: to me it just seems to be common sense. If you rent a private house the amount you pay depends on its size. If you go on holiday and rent an apartment, the amount you pay depends on its size, the same must apply to Local Authority housing it is no different. I knew a lady who live in a nice 3 bed Council house for many years and paid a token rent of £1.00/week, what a bargain whilst families were squeezed into much smaller homes. People need to get real something cannot be for nothing someone has to pay. Live within your budget it is the only way that will work.[/p][/quote]What you fail (deliberately in my view) to acknowledge is that after Thatcher sold off vast chunks of the social housing stock very little has been done to replace it. When someone applies for social housing then they get whatever is allocated to them. The cost of housing someone in social housing is around 25% less than it is in the private sector. There are not the properties for people to downsize to and if they go into the private sector their rental costs will be the same if not more than was being paid with the extra bedroom saving the taxpayer nothing. RollandSmoke
  • Score: -4

6:24pm Tue 1 Apr 14

BD16 says...

RollandSmoke wrote:
What the bedroom tax is really about it forcing people out of social housing and into the private rented sector. It costs more for people to be housed in the private sector but lets ignore that fact as it then means the rich Tories with their portfolios of ex council housing stock make a fortune out of the taxpayer through housing benefit and the benefit claimant who was being housed cheaper in social housing gets the blame. You are being taken for fools. Unfortunately in most cases I would agree with that analysis. Either that or you are so consumed with hate for your fellow man that you prefer to attack the people who are suffering whilst totally ignoring the facts that are causing them to suffer. By staying quiet on this issue you are complicit in any deaths or suicides that occur as a result of these policies and you share the blood on your hands.
"So consumed with hate for your fellow man" coming from somebody who claimed to be saving up for petrol for the Shipley cons Christmas party I find that a bit hypocritical.
[quote][p][bold]RollandSmoke[/bold] wrote: What the bedroom tax is really about it forcing people out of social housing and into the private rented sector. It costs more for people to be housed in the private sector but lets ignore that fact as it then means the rich Tories with their portfolios of ex council housing stock make a fortune out of the taxpayer through housing benefit and the benefit claimant who was being housed cheaper in social housing gets the blame. You are being taken for fools. Unfortunately in most cases I would agree with that analysis. Either that or you are so consumed with hate for your fellow man that you prefer to attack the people who are suffering whilst totally ignoring the facts that are causing them to suffer. By staying quiet on this issue you are complicit in any deaths or suicides that occur as a result of these policies and you share the blood on your hands.[/p][/quote]"So consumed with hate for your fellow man" coming from somebody who claimed to be saving up for petrol for the Shipley cons Christmas party I find that a bit hypocritical. BD16
  • Score: 6

6:27pm Tue 1 Apr 14

RollandSmoke says...

BD16 wrote:
RollandSmoke wrote:
What the bedroom tax is really about it forcing people out of social housing and into the private rented sector. It costs more for people to be housed in the private sector but lets ignore that fact as it then means the rich Tories with their portfolios of ex council housing stock make a fortune out of the taxpayer through housing benefit and the benefit claimant who was being housed cheaper in social housing gets the blame. You are being taken for fools. Unfortunately in most cases I would agree with that analysis. Either that or you are so consumed with hate for your fellow man that you prefer to attack the people who are suffering whilst totally ignoring the facts that are causing them to suffer. By staying quiet on this issue you are complicit in any deaths or suicides that occur as a result of these policies and you share the blood on your hands.
"So consumed with hate for your fellow man" coming from somebody who claimed to be saving up for petrol for the Shipley cons Christmas party I find that a bit hypocritical.
I was only joking. I could never save up that kind of money and I would much rather pick them off one by one as they walk along the canal. You can't begrudge me my dreams.
[quote][p][bold]BD16[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]RollandSmoke[/bold] wrote: What the bedroom tax is really about it forcing people out of social housing and into the private rented sector. It costs more for people to be housed in the private sector but lets ignore that fact as it then means the rich Tories with their portfolios of ex council housing stock make a fortune out of the taxpayer through housing benefit and the benefit claimant who was being housed cheaper in social housing gets the blame. You are being taken for fools. Unfortunately in most cases I would agree with that analysis. Either that or you are so consumed with hate for your fellow man that you prefer to attack the people who are suffering whilst totally ignoring the facts that are causing them to suffer. By staying quiet on this issue you are complicit in any deaths or suicides that occur as a result of these policies and you share the blood on your hands.[/p][/quote]"So consumed with hate for your fellow man" coming from somebody who claimed to be saving up for petrol for the Shipley cons Christmas party I find that a bit hypocritical.[/p][/quote]I was only joking. I could never save up that kind of money and I would much rather pick them off one by one as they walk along the canal. You can't begrudge me my dreams. RollandSmoke
  • Score: -6

7:28pm Tue 1 Apr 14

Andy2010 says...

RollandSmoke wrote:
Andy2010 wrote:
Farsley Bantam wrote:
RollandSmoke wrote:
Farsley Bantam wrote:
RollandSmoke wrote: As I've said before unless someone can produce evidence of a "spare room subsidy" being paid to those people who are now expected to pay for it's removal it is a tax. Those expected to pay have also been told they need to find 25% of their council tax. I can hear the Tories cheering now but where is someone on benefit expected to find this money from? They were classed as receiving the legal minimum that someone could be expected to live on before any of the changes to their housing benefit and council tax so what are they expected to do without in order to pay? Food, heating? And when they have become unwell due to not eating properly or due to the cold the Tories are now talking about charging them for their NHS hospital treatment. Why don't the Tories at least come clean about the fact that they are expecting, and some rubbing their hands with glee at the prospect of, people dying? It's obvious that this will be the outcome for some of the poor, the weak and the vulnerable. If they rounded them all up, put them in the back of wagons and shipped them off to gas chambers it would be more honest. Some of the Tories will be thinking that's not a bad idea and be wondering if they could get away with it? Of course they could because the British public are a spineless bunch and will let the psychopaths in Westminster do what they like.
Usual sensationalist hyperbolic nonsense.
Which bits are untrue?
That the Tories want poor people to die and would like to round them up and gas them - Sensationalist nonsense that is obviously untrue.

Also do you include yourself when you call the British public 'spineless' or do you consider writing annonymous comments on the T&A website taking a stand and sticking it to the man?
There no talking to our good old Rollie when the word Tory is mentioned. He forgets the fact that this "tax" was actually initially started by Labour...Thats a bit of an inconvenient truth though to his spoutings.

That aside though and this may seem like a crazy idea but the people in receipt of housing benefit that have had this cut could always get a job and not claim anything anymore. I know that concept is wacky and out there and you will respond with some usual copy and pasted rubbish with some links to the Telegraph website but if they did then they wouldn't have a problem.

Heres a little fact for you Rollie. The average time a "family" claim housing benefit now stands at 6 years .....that's 6 years !!. So you are telling me that in 6 years they are unable to get any job of any kind? Of course not...they are just living of the state rather than contributing
How much do you get paid for your comments Andy? Here's a little fact for you Andy there are people who win the lottery, that does not mean however that everyone wins the lottery. I cannot deny that some people do actually win but that doesn't mean that when you site an example of someone who has I shouldn't call you an idiot if you use that example to state that the lottery makes everyone a winner. Thanks for ignoring the fact that unlike some areas of the country Bradford's unemployment rate is not falling and taking full advantage of the opportunity to give people a kicking when they are down. Keep throwing that one in my face and any day now my health concerns will just disappear. I'm not sure if you are an idiot or just an arsehole but I don't like you Andy, you are a very sick individual.
For the record Rollie I'm Not a Tory. In fact im nothing as I dont even bother voting. The reason for this is I think all of them Labour, Tories, Lib Dem, UKIP etc etc are all the same and nothing changes. No matter who is in power they all just run the country exactly the same.

One thing I do know is I was brought up to work in sickness and in health. If that means doing 5 jobs 100 hours a week then so be it but I was brought up to actually be embarrassed by claiming benefits. Brought up to look after my own family and provide for them and to always try and better yourself in whatever way you can. I went to one of the cr4ppest schools in Bradford and left with nothing but saw the rest of my mates just slipping into doing nothing and expecting a living from the state. 50 years later they are more or less the same living in the same houses , the same mundane lives living like zombies. I choose a different path thats all.

Sorry but Ive seen my taxes paid literally running into hundreds of thousands support some people that I call friends. I dont blame them as if they are happy with that fair enough and if no-one is going to take it off them I totally understand them sitting on their backsides.

So in essence thats why I support cuts as I believe people should support themselves. Im not saying thats right but Im saying thats my opinion. Thats doesnt make me a Tory or whatever but just a person of an opinion and last time I looked in this country we are all entitled to one.
[quote][p][bold]RollandSmoke[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Andy2010[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Farsley Bantam[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]RollandSmoke[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Farsley Bantam[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]RollandSmoke[/bold] wrote: As I've said before unless someone can produce evidence of a "spare room subsidy" being paid to those people who are now expected to pay for it's removal it is a tax. Those expected to pay have also been told they need to find 25% of their council tax. I can hear the Tories cheering now but where is someone on benefit expected to find this money from? They were classed as receiving the legal minimum that someone could be expected to live on before any of the changes to their housing benefit and council tax so what are they expected to do without in order to pay? Food, heating? And when they have become unwell due to not eating properly or due to the cold the Tories are now talking about charging them for their NHS hospital treatment. Why don't the Tories at least come clean about the fact that they are expecting, and some rubbing their hands with glee at the prospect of, people dying? It's obvious that this will be the outcome for some of the poor, the weak and the vulnerable. If they rounded them all up, put them in the back of wagons and shipped them off to gas chambers it would be more honest. Some of the Tories will be thinking that's not a bad idea and be wondering if they could get away with it? Of course they could because the British public are a spineless bunch and will let the psychopaths in Westminster do what they like.[/p][/quote]Usual sensationalist hyperbolic nonsense.[/p][/quote]Which bits are untrue?[/p][/quote]That the Tories want poor people to die and would like to round them up and gas them - Sensationalist nonsense that is obviously untrue. Also do you include yourself when you call the British public 'spineless' or do you consider writing annonymous comments on the T&A website taking a stand and sticking it to the man?[/p][/quote]There no talking to our good old Rollie when the word Tory is mentioned. He forgets the fact that this "tax" was actually initially started by Labour...Thats a bit of an inconvenient truth though to his spoutings. That aside though and this may seem like a crazy idea but the people in receipt of housing benefit that have had this cut could always get a job and not claim anything anymore. I know that concept is wacky and out there and you will respond with some usual copy and pasted rubbish with some links to the Telegraph website but if they did then they wouldn't have a problem. Heres a little fact for you Rollie. The average time a "family" claim housing benefit now stands at 6 years .....that's 6 years !!. So you are telling me that in 6 years they are unable to get any job of any kind? Of course not...they are just living of the state rather than contributing[/p][/quote]How much do you get paid for your comments Andy? Here's a little fact for you Andy there are people who win the lottery, that does not mean however that everyone wins the lottery. I cannot deny that some people do actually win but that doesn't mean that when you site an example of someone who has I shouldn't call you an idiot if you use that example to state that the lottery makes everyone a winner. Thanks for ignoring the fact that unlike some areas of the country Bradford's unemployment rate is not falling and taking full advantage of the opportunity to give people a kicking when they are down. Keep throwing that one in my face and any day now my health concerns will just disappear. I'm not sure if you are an idiot or just an arsehole but I don't like you Andy, you are a very sick individual.[/p][/quote]For the record Rollie I'm Not a Tory. In fact im nothing as I dont even bother voting. The reason for this is I think all of them Labour, Tories, Lib Dem, UKIP etc etc are all the same and nothing changes. No matter who is in power they all just run the country exactly the same. One thing I do know is I was brought up to work in sickness and in health. If that means doing 5 jobs 100 hours a week then so be it but I was brought up to actually be embarrassed by claiming benefits. Brought up to look after my own family and provide for them and to always try and better yourself in whatever way you can. I went to one of the cr4ppest schools in Bradford and left with nothing but saw the rest of my mates just slipping into doing nothing and expecting a living from the state. 50 years later they are more or less the same living in the same houses , the same mundane lives living like zombies. I choose a different path thats all. Sorry but Ive seen my taxes paid literally running into hundreds of thousands support some people that I call friends. I dont blame them as if they are happy with that fair enough and if no-one is going to take it off them I totally understand them sitting on their backsides. So in essence thats why I support cuts as I believe people should support themselves. Im not saying thats right but Im saying thats my opinion. Thats doesnt make me a Tory or whatever but just a person of an opinion and last time I looked in this country we are all entitled to one. Andy2010
  • Score: 6

7:29pm Tue 1 Apr 14

BD16 says...

RollandSmoke wrote:
BD16 wrote:
RollandSmoke wrote:
What the bedroom tax is really about it forcing people out of social housing and into the private rented sector. It costs more for people to be housed in the private sector but lets ignore that fact as it then means the rich Tories with their portfolios of ex council housing stock make a fortune out of the taxpayer through housing benefit and the benefit claimant who was being housed cheaper in social housing gets the blame. You are being taken for fools. Unfortunately in most cases I would agree with that analysis. Either that or you are so consumed with hate for your fellow man that you prefer to attack the people who are suffering whilst totally ignoring the facts that are causing them to suffer. By staying quiet on this issue you are complicit in any deaths or suicides that occur as a result of these policies and you share the blood on your hands.
"So consumed with hate for your fellow man" coming from somebody who claimed to be saving up for petrol for the Shipley cons Christmas party I find that a bit hypocritical.
I was only joking. I could never save up that kind of money and I would much rather pick them off one by one as they walk along the canal. You can't begrudge me my dreams.
Hilarious, you must be a barrel of laughs. Arson, murder, what subject matter. You should have your own show on the telly........
[quote][p][bold]RollandSmoke[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]BD16[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]RollandSmoke[/bold] wrote: What the bedroom tax is really about it forcing people out of social housing and into the private rented sector. It costs more for people to be housed in the private sector but lets ignore that fact as it then means the rich Tories with their portfolios of ex council housing stock make a fortune out of the taxpayer through housing benefit and the benefit claimant who was being housed cheaper in social housing gets the blame. You are being taken for fools. Unfortunately in most cases I would agree with that analysis. Either that or you are so consumed with hate for your fellow man that you prefer to attack the people who are suffering whilst totally ignoring the facts that are causing them to suffer. By staying quiet on this issue you are complicit in any deaths or suicides that occur as a result of these policies and you share the blood on your hands.[/p][/quote]"So consumed with hate for your fellow man" coming from somebody who claimed to be saving up for petrol for the Shipley cons Christmas party I find that a bit hypocritical.[/p][/quote]I was only joking. I could never save up that kind of money and I would much rather pick them off one by one as they walk along the canal. You can't begrudge me my dreams.[/p][/quote]Hilarious, you must be a barrel of laughs. Arson, murder, what subject matter. You should have your own show on the telly........ BD16
  • Score: 5

7:38pm Tue 1 Apr 14

RollandSmoke says...

BD16 wrote:
RollandSmoke wrote:
BD16 wrote:
RollandSmoke wrote:
What the bedroom tax is really about it forcing people out of social housing and into the private rented sector. It costs more for people to be housed in the private sector but lets ignore that fact as it then means the rich Tories with their portfolios of ex council housing stock make a fortune out of the taxpayer through housing benefit and the benefit claimant who was being housed cheaper in social housing gets the blame. You are being taken for fools. Unfortunately in most cases I would agree with that analysis. Either that or you are so consumed with hate for your fellow man that you prefer to attack the people who are suffering whilst totally ignoring the facts that are causing them to suffer. By staying quiet on this issue you are complicit in any deaths or suicides that occur as a result of these policies and you share the blood on your hands.
"So consumed with hate for your fellow man" coming from somebody who claimed to be saving up for petrol for the Shipley cons Christmas party I find that a bit hypocritical.
I was only joking. I could never save up that kind of money and I would much rather pick them off one by one as they walk along the canal. You can't begrudge me my dreams.
Hilarious, you must be a barrel of laughs. Arson, murder, what subject matter. You should have your own show on the telly........
Yeah it's not that funny is it although when aimed at those who laugh when you tell them there are people starving to death in this country, who ignore the fact that their government has been caught staging events to trick people into a war that could have killed thousands, who claim the way to beat poverty is to plunge thousands of people further into destitution and who spend all day every day deriding other people for their misfortune then I feel it's entirely justified.
[quote][p][bold]BD16[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]RollandSmoke[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]BD16[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]RollandSmoke[/bold] wrote: What the bedroom tax is really about it forcing people out of social housing and into the private rented sector. It costs more for people to be housed in the private sector but lets ignore that fact as it then means the rich Tories with their portfolios of ex council housing stock make a fortune out of the taxpayer through housing benefit and the benefit claimant who was being housed cheaper in social housing gets the blame. You are being taken for fools. Unfortunately in most cases I would agree with that analysis. Either that or you are so consumed with hate for your fellow man that you prefer to attack the people who are suffering whilst totally ignoring the facts that are causing them to suffer. By staying quiet on this issue you are complicit in any deaths or suicides that occur as a result of these policies and you share the blood on your hands.[/p][/quote]"So consumed with hate for your fellow man" coming from somebody who claimed to be saving up for petrol for the Shipley cons Christmas party I find that a bit hypocritical.[/p][/quote]I was only joking. I could never save up that kind of money and I would much rather pick them off one by one as they walk along the canal. You can't begrudge me my dreams.[/p][/quote]Hilarious, you must be a barrel of laughs. Arson, murder, what subject matter. You should have your own show on the telly........[/p][/quote]Yeah it's not that funny is it although when aimed at those who laugh when you tell them there are people starving to death in this country, who ignore the fact that their government has been caught staging events to trick people into a war that could have killed thousands, who claim the way to beat poverty is to plunge thousands of people further into destitution and who spend all day every day deriding other people for their misfortune then I feel it's entirely justified. RollandSmoke
  • Score: -5

7:43pm Tue 1 Apr 14

RollandSmoke says...

Andy2010 wrote:
RollandSmoke wrote:
Andy2010 wrote:
Farsley Bantam wrote:
RollandSmoke wrote:
Farsley Bantam wrote:
RollandSmoke wrote: As I've said before unless someone can produce evidence of a "spare room subsidy" being paid to those people who are now expected to pay for it's removal it is a tax. Those expected to pay have also been told they need to find 25% of their council tax. I can hear the Tories cheering now but where is someone on benefit expected to find this money from? They were classed as receiving the legal minimum that someone could be expected to live on before any of the changes to their housing benefit and council tax so what are they expected to do without in order to pay? Food, heating? And when they have become unwell due to not eating properly or due to the cold the Tories are now talking about charging them for their NHS hospital treatment. Why don't the Tories at least come clean about the fact that they are expecting, and some rubbing their hands with glee at the prospect of, people dying? It's obvious that this will be the outcome for some of the poor, the weak and the vulnerable. If they rounded them all up, put them in the back of wagons and shipped them off to gas chambers it would be more honest. Some of the Tories will be thinking that's not a bad idea and be wondering if they could get away with it? Of course they could because the British public are a spineless bunch and will let the psychopaths in Westminster do what they like.
Usual sensationalist hyperbolic nonsense.
Which bits are untrue?
That the Tories want poor people to die and would like to round them up and gas them - Sensationalist nonsense that is obviously untrue.

Also do you include yourself when you call the British public 'spineless' or do you consider writing annonymous comments on the T&A website taking a stand and sticking it to the man?
There no talking to our good old Rollie when the word Tory is mentioned. He forgets the fact that this "tax" was actually initially started by Labour...Thats a bit of an inconvenient truth though to his spoutings.

That aside though and this may seem like a crazy idea but the people in receipt of housing benefit that have had this cut could always get a job and not claim anything anymore. I know that concept is wacky and out there and you will respond with some usual copy and pasted rubbish with some links to the Telegraph website but if they did then they wouldn't have a problem.

Heres a little fact for you Rollie. The average time a "family" claim housing benefit now stands at 6 years .....that's 6 years !!. So you are telling me that in 6 years they are unable to get any job of any kind? Of course not...they are just living of the state rather than contributing
How much do you get paid for your comments Andy? Here's a little fact for you Andy there are people who win the lottery, that does not mean however that everyone wins the lottery. I cannot deny that some people do actually win but that doesn't mean that when you site an example of someone who has I shouldn't call you an idiot if you use that example to state that the lottery makes everyone a winner. Thanks for ignoring the fact that unlike some areas of the country Bradford's unemployment rate is not falling and taking full advantage of the opportunity to give people a kicking when they are down. Keep throwing that one in my face and any day now my health concerns will just disappear. I'm not sure if you are an idiot or just an arsehole but I don't like you Andy, you are a very sick individual.
For the record Rollie I'm Not a Tory. In fact im nothing as I dont even bother voting. The reason for this is I think all of them Labour, Tories, Lib Dem, UKIP etc etc are all the same and nothing changes. No matter who is in power they all just run the country exactly the same.

One thing I do know is I was brought up to work in sickness and in health. If that means doing 5 jobs 100 hours a week then so be it but I was brought up to actually be embarrassed by claiming benefits. Brought up to look after my own family and provide for them and to always try and better yourself in whatever way you can. I went to one of the cr4ppest schools in Bradford and left with nothing but saw the rest of my mates just slipping into doing nothing and expecting a living from the state. 50 years later they are more or less the same living in the same houses , the same mundane lives living like zombies. I choose a different path thats all.

Sorry but Ive seen my taxes paid literally running into hundreds of thousands support some people that I call friends. I dont blame them as if they are happy with that fair enough and if no-one is going to take it off them I totally understand them sitting on their backsides.

So in essence thats why I support cuts as I believe people should support themselves. Im not saying thats right but Im saying thats my opinion. Thats doesnt make me a Tory or whatever but just a person of an opinion and last time I looked in this country we are all entitled to one.
You are however an arsehole Andy. Great you've done well in life, good for you. Your comments offer nothing constructive, they never have, you just take a sick perverted pleasure from kicking those less fortunate than yourself.
Tell you what why don't you swap over to being Alive and Awake then I can call you an arsehole all over again.
[quote][p][bold]Andy2010[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]RollandSmoke[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Andy2010[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Farsley Bantam[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]RollandSmoke[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Farsley Bantam[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]RollandSmoke[/bold] wrote: As I've said before unless someone can produce evidence of a "spare room subsidy" being paid to those people who are now expected to pay for it's removal it is a tax. Those expected to pay have also been told they need to find 25% of their council tax. I can hear the Tories cheering now but where is someone on benefit expected to find this money from? They were classed as receiving the legal minimum that someone could be expected to live on before any of the changes to their housing benefit and council tax so what are they expected to do without in order to pay? Food, heating? And when they have become unwell due to not eating properly or due to the cold the Tories are now talking about charging them for their NHS hospital treatment. Why don't the Tories at least come clean about the fact that they are expecting, and some rubbing their hands with glee at the prospect of, people dying? It's obvious that this will be the outcome for some of the poor, the weak and the vulnerable. If they rounded them all up, put them in the back of wagons and shipped them off to gas chambers it would be more honest. Some of the Tories will be thinking that's not a bad idea and be wondering if they could get away with it? Of course they could because the British public are a spineless bunch and will let the psychopaths in Westminster do what they like.[/p][/quote]Usual sensationalist hyperbolic nonsense.[/p][/quote]Which bits are untrue?[/p][/quote]That the Tories want poor people to die and would like to round them up and gas them - Sensationalist nonsense that is obviously untrue. Also do you include yourself when you call the British public 'spineless' or do you consider writing annonymous comments on the T&A website taking a stand and sticking it to the man?[/p][/quote]There no talking to our good old Rollie when the word Tory is mentioned. He forgets the fact that this "tax" was actually initially started by Labour...Thats a bit of an inconvenient truth though to his spoutings. That aside though and this may seem like a crazy idea but the people in receipt of housing benefit that have had this cut could always get a job and not claim anything anymore. I know that concept is wacky and out there and you will respond with some usual copy and pasted rubbish with some links to the Telegraph website but if they did then they wouldn't have a problem. Heres a little fact for you Rollie. The average time a "family" claim housing benefit now stands at 6 years .....that's 6 years !!. So you are telling me that in 6 years they are unable to get any job of any kind? Of course not...they are just living of the state rather than contributing[/p][/quote]How much do you get paid for your comments Andy? Here's a little fact for you Andy there are people who win the lottery, that does not mean however that everyone wins the lottery. I cannot deny that some people do actually win but that doesn't mean that when you site an example of someone who has I shouldn't call you an idiot if you use that example to state that the lottery makes everyone a winner. Thanks for ignoring the fact that unlike some areas of the country Bradford's unemployment rate is not falling and taking full advantage of the opportunity to give people a kicking when they are down. Keep throwing that one in my face and any day now my health concerns will just disappear. I'm not sure if you are an idiot or just an arsehole but I don't like you Andy, you are a very sick individual.[/p][/quote]For the record Rollie I'm Not a Tory. In fact im nothing as I dont even bother voting. The reason for this is I think all of them Labour, Tories, Lib Dem, UKIP etc etc are all the same and nothing changes. No matter who is in power they all just run the country exactly the same. One thing I do know is I was brought up to work in sickness and in health. If that means doing 5 jobs 100 hours a week then so be it but I was brought up to actually be embarrassed by claiming benefits. Brought up to look after my own family and provide for them and to always try and better yourself in whatever way you can. I went to one of the cr4ppest schools in Bradford and left with nothing but saw the rest of my mates just slipping into doing nothing and expecting a living from the state. 50 years later they are more or less the same living in the same houses , the same mundane lives living like zombies. I choose a different path thats all. Sorry but Ive seen my taxes paid literally running into hundreds of thousands support some people that I call friends. I dont blame them as if they are happy with that fair enough and if no-one is going to take it off them I totally understand them sitting on their backsides. So in essence thats why I support cuts as I believe people should support themselves. Im not saying thats right but Im saying thats my opinion. Thats doesnt make me a Tory or whatever but just a person of an opinion and last time I looked in this country we are all entitled to one.[/p][/quote]You are however an arsehole Andy. Great you've done well in life, good for you. Your comments offer nothing constructive, they never have, you just take a sick perverted pleasure from kicking those less fortunate than yourself. Tell you what why don't you swap over to being Alive and Awake then I can call you an arsehole all over again. RollandSmoke
  • Score: -8

8:18pm Tue 1 Apr 14

Alhaurinrhino says...

They're not poor, they're lazy feckless breeders who think it's OK to rape the benefit system for all it's worth......
Well not any more matey :)
They're not poor, they're lazy feckless breeders who think it's OK to rape the benefit system for all it's worth...... Well not any more matey :) Alhaurinrhino
  • Score: 6

8:22pm Tue 1 Apr 14

RollandSmoke says...

Alhaurinrhino wrote:
They're not poor, they're lazy feckless breeders who think it's OK to rape the benefit system for all it's worth......
Well not any more matey :)
Let me guess you don't have children and if you did you would never have claimed the child benefit that up until recently wasn't means tested and which a couple earning £80k a year can still claim. PLEASE TELL ME YOU DON'T HAVE CHILDREN.
[quote][p][bold]Alhaurinrhino[/bold] wrote: They're not poor, they're lazy feckless breeders who think it's OK to rape the benefit system for all it's worth...... Well not any more matey :)[/p][/quote]Let me guess you don't have children and if you did you would never have claimed the child benefit that up until recently wasn't means tested and which a couple earning £80k a year can still claim. PLEASE TELL ME YOU DON'T HAVE CHILDREN. RollandSmoke
  • Score: -5

8:48pm Tue 1 Apr 14

Alhaurinrhino says...

RollandSmoke wrote:
Alhaurinrhino wrote:
They're not poor, they're lazy feckless breeders who think it's OK to rape the benefit system for all it's worth......
Well not any more matey :)
Let me guess you don't have children and if you did you would never have claimed the child benefit that up until recently wasn't means tested and which a couple earning £80k a year can still claim. PLEASE TELL ME YOU DON'T HAVE CHILDREN.
Actually I've got one child and another on the way :)). I recently moved into a four bedroom house because of my family, and guess what...I can afford it because I go out to work and have started a family now because I can afford them, unlike the feckless spongers who expect ME and other hardworking folk to provide for them as well as paying for our own.
Given the chance I wouldn't mind having a child with the lovely Ms McVey as well.....very tasty ;)
[quote][p][bold]RollandSmoke[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Alhaurinrhino[/bold] wrote: They're not poor, they're lazy feckless breeders who think it's OK to rape the benefit system for all it's worth...... Well not any more matey :)[/p][/quote]Let me guess you don't have children and if you did you would never have claimed the child benefit that up until recently wasn't means tested and which a couple earning £80k a year can still claim. PLEASE TELL ME YOU DON'T HAVE CHILDREN.[/p][/quote]Actually I've got one child and another on the way :)). I recently moved into a four bedroom house because of my family, and guess what...I can afford it because I go out to work and have started a family now because I can afford them, unlike the feckless spongers who expect ME and other hardworking folk to provide for them as well as paying for our own. Given the chance I wouldn't mind having a child with the lovely Ms McVey as well.....very tasty ;) Alhaurinrhino
  • Score: 5

8:52pm Tue 1 Apr 14

RollandSmoke says...

Alhaurinrhino wrote:
RollandSmoke wrote:
Alhaurinrhino wrote:
They're not poor, they're lazy feckless breeders who think it's OK to rape the benefit system for all it's worth......
Well not any more matey :)
Let me guess you don't have children and if you did you would never have claimed the child benefit that up until recently wasn't means tested and which a couple earning £80k a year can still claim. PLEASE TELL ME YOU DON'T HAVE CHILDREN.
Actually I've got one child and another on the way :)). I recently moved into a four bedroom house because of my family, and guess what...I can afford it because I go out to work and have started a family now because I can afford them, unlike the feckless spongers who expect ME and other hardworking folk to provide for them as well as paying for our own.
Given the chance I wouldn't mind having a child with the lovely Ms McVey as well.....very tasty ;)
So you wont be claiming child benefit then or do you see it as an entitlement?
[quote][p][bold]Alhaurinrhino[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]RollandSmoke[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Alhaurinrhino[/bold] wrote: They're not poor, they're lazy feckless breeders who think it's OK to rape the benefit system for all it's worth...... Well not any more matey :)[/p][/quote]Let me guess you don't have children and if you did you would never have claimed the child benefit that up until recently wasn't means tested and which a couple earning £80k a year can still claim. PLEASE TELL ME YOU DON'T HAVE CHILDREN.[/p][/quote]Actually I've got one child and another on the way :)). I recently moved into a four bedroom house because of my family, and guess what...I can afford it because I go out to work and have started a family now because I can afford them, unlike the feckless spongers who expect ME and other hardworking folk to provide for them as well as paying for our own. Given the chance I wouldn't mind having a child with the lovely Ms McVey as well.....very tasty ;)[/p][/quote]So you wont be claiming child benefit then or do you see it as an entitlement? RollandSmoke
  • Score: -5

9:17pm Tue 1 Apr 14

Alhaurinrhino says...

I use the child benefit to put fuel in my wife's car.
I use the child benefit to put fuel in my wife's car. Alhaurinrhino
  • Score: 4

9:22pm Tue 1 Apr 14

RollandSmoke says...

Alhaurinrhino wrote:
I use the child benefit to put fuel in my wife's car.
What your pregnant wife who is hopefully blissfully unaware that you are looking for another airhead bimbo to impregnate if "given the chance"? So you are claiming money that you don't actually need for a child that no-one asked you to have?
http://dictionary.re
ference.com/browse/h
ypocrite
[quote][p][bold]Alhaurinrhino[/bold] wrote: I use the child benefit to put fuel in my wife's car.[/p][/quote]What your pregnant wife who is hopefully blissfully unaware that you are looking for another airhead bimbo to impregnate if "given the chance"? So you are claiming money that you don't actually need for a child that no-one asked you to have? http://dictionary.re ference.com/browse/h ypocrite RollandSmoke
  • Score: -7

10:19am Wed 2 Apr 14

tinytoonster says...

RollandSmoke wrote:
Alhaurinrhino wrote:
RollandSmoke wrote:
Alhaurinrhino wrote:
They're not poor, they're lazy feckless breeders who think it's OK to rape the benefit system for all it's worth......
Well not any more matey :)
Let me guess you don't have children and if you did you would never have claimed the child benefit that up until recently wasn't means tested and which a couple earning £80k a year can still claim. PLEASE TELL ME YOU DON'T HAVE CHILDREN.
Actually I've got one child and another on the way :)). I recently moved into a four bedroom house because of my family, and guess what...I can afford it because I go out to work and have started a family now because I can afford them, unlike the feckless spongers who expect ME and other hardworking folk to provide for them as well as paying for our own.
Given the chance I wouldn't mind having a child with the lovely Ms McVey as well.....very tasty ;)
So you wont be claiming child benefit then or do you see it as an entitlement?
he should be entitled, he pays taxes!!
its people like you who think they are entitled to everything.
the evil tories make the unliked but necessary decisions and then when labour come in they wont change it.
so do not give me your codswallop speeches.
who made up the wmd stories to get into iraq?
who invaded afghanistan?
mr blair and brown!
easily forget that though because it does not suit your tory conspiracy theory!
[quote][p][bold]RollandSmoke[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Alhaurinrhino[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]RollandSmoke[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Alhaurinrhino[/bold] wrote: They're not poor, they're lazy feckless breeders who think it's OK to rape the benefit system for all it's worth...... Well not any more matey :)[/p][/quote]Let me guess you don't have children and if you did you would never have claimed the child benefit that up until recently wasn't means tested and which a couple earning £80k a year can still claim. PLEASE TELL ME YOU DON'T HAVE CHILDREN.[/p][/quote]Actually I've got one child and another on the way :)). I recently moved into a four bedroom house because of my family, and guess what...I can afford it because I go out to work and have started a family now because I can afford them, unlike the feckless spongers who expect ME and other hardworking folk to provide for them as well as paying for our own. Given the chance I wouldn't mind having a child with the lovely Ms McVey as well.....very tasty ;)[/p][/quote]So you wont be claiming child benefit then or do you see it as an entitlement?[/p][/quote]he should be entitled, he pays taxes!! its people like you who think they are entitled to everything. the evil tories make the unliked but necessary decisions and then when labour come in they wont change it. so do not give me your codswallop speeches. who made up the wmd stories to get into iraq? who invaded afghanistan? mr blair and brown! easily forget that though because it does not suit your tory conspiracy theory! tinytoonster
  • Score: 5

10:22am Wed 2 Apr 14

tinytoonster says...

labour came up with the royal mail carve up but now they are jumping on the sold cheaply bandwagon.
remind me again who sold our gold at its lowest price?
thats right mr clueless brown!
labour came up with the royal mail carve up but now they are jumping on the sold cheaply bandwagon. remind me again who sold our gold at its lowest price? thats right mr clueless brown! tinytoonster
  • Score: 7

10:28am Wed 2 Apr 14

tinytoonster says...

give everybody food and heating tokens only, take away all their 42" tvs and xboxes and we would see who is starving!
they get more than enough to survive which is all it should be.
its supposed to help not a lifestyle.
the reason wages are low is because your beloved labour party flooded the workforce with cheap immigration workers.
give everybody food and heating tokens only, take away all their 42" tvs and xboxes and we would see who is starving! they get more than enough to survive which is all it should be. its supposed to help not a lifestyle. the reason wages are low is because your beloved labour party flooded the workforce with cheap immigration workers. tinytoonster
  • Score: 7

12:42pm Wed 2 Apr 14

Tinybantam says...

tinytoonster wrote:
RollandSmoke wrote:
Alhaurinrhino wrote:
RollandSmoke wrote:
Alhaurinrhino wrote:
They're not poor, they're lazy feckless breeders who think it's OK to rape the benefit system for all it's worth......
Well not any more matey :)
Let me guess you don't have children and if you did you would never have claimed the child benefit that up until recently wasn't means tested and which a couple earning £80k a year can still claim. PLEASE TELL ME YOU DON'T HAVE CHILDREN.
Actually I've got one child and another on the way :)). I recently moved into a four bedroom house because of my family, and guess what...I can afford it because I go out to work and have started a family now because I can afford them, unlike the feckless spongers who expect ME and other hardworking folk to provide for them as well as paying for our own.
Given the chance I wouldn't mind having a child with the lovely Ms McVey as well.....very tasty ;)
So you wont be claiming child benefit then or do you see it as an entitlement?
he should be entitled, he pays taxes!!
its people like you who think they are entitled to everything.
the evil tories make the unliked but necessary decisions and then when labour come in they wont change it.
so do not give me your codswallop speeches.
who made up the wmd stories to get into iraq?
who invaded afghanistan?
mr blair and brown!
easily forget that though because it does not suit your tory conspiracy theory!
Spot on comment........I notice no comeback.........cou
ld it be you have actually shut him up for once, with his anti-tory ramblings?
[quote][p][bold]tinytoonster[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]RollandSmoke[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Alhaurinrhino[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]RollandSmoke[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Alhaurinrhino[/bold] wrote: They're not poor, they're lazy feckless breeders who think it's OK to rape the benefit system for all it's worth...... Well not any more matey :)[/p][/quote]Let me guess you don't have children and if you did you would never have claimed the child benefit that up until recently wasn't means tested and which a couple earning £80k a year can still claim. PLEASE TELL ME YOU DON'T HAVE CHILDREN.[/p][/quote]Actually I've got one child and another on the way :)). I recently moved into a four bedroom house because of my family, and guess what...I can afford it because I go out to work and have started a family now because I can afford them, unlike the feckless spongers who expect ME and other hardworking folk to provide for them as well as paying for our own. Given the chance I wouldn't mind having a child with the lovely Ms McVey as well.....very tasty ;)[/p][/quote]So you wont be claiming child benefit then or do you see it as an entitlement?[/p][/quote]he should be entitled, he pays taxes!! its people like you who think they are entitled to everything. the evil tories make the unliked but necessary decisions and then when labour come in they wont change it. so do not give me your codswallop speeches. who made up the wmd stories to get into iraq? who invaded afghanistan? mr blair and brown! easily forget that though because it does not suit your tory conspiracy theory![/p][/quote]Spot on comment........I notice no comeback.........cou ld it be you have actually shut him up for once, with his anti-tory ramblings? Tinybantam
  • Score: 5

2:39pm Wed 2 Apr 14

RollandSmoke says...

Tinybantam wrote:
tinytoonster wrote:
RollandSmoke wrote:
Alhaurinrhino wrote:
RollandSmoke wrote:
Alhaurinrhino wrote:
They're not poor, they're lazy feckless breeders who think it's OK to rape the benefit system for all it's worth......
Well not any more matey :)
Let me guess you don't have children and if you did you would never have claimed the child benefit that up until recently wasn't means tested and which a couple earning £80k a year can still claim. PLEASE TELL ME YOU DON'T HAVE CHILDREN.
Actually I've got one child and another on the way :)). I recently moved into a four bedroom house because of my family, and guess what...I can afford it because I go out to work and have started a family now because I can afford them, unlike the feckless spongers who expect ME and other hardworking folk to provide for them as well as paying for our own.
Given the chance I wouldn't mind having a child with the lovely Ms McVey as well.....very tasty ;)
So you wont be claiming child benefit then or do you see it as an entitlement?
he should be entitled, he pays taxes!!
its people like you who think they are entitled to everything.
the evil tories make the unliked but necessary decisions and then when labour come in they wont change it.
so do not give me your codswallop speeches.
who made up the wmd stories to get into iraq?
who invaded afghanistan?
mr blair and brown!
easily forget that though because it does not suit your tory conspiracy theory!
Spot on comment........I notice no comeback.........cou

ld it be you have actually shut him up for once, with his anti-tory ramblings?
Don't be stupid you have barely got it in you to shut a door let alone shut me up. As for Tinytoonbrain's comments (they're really bringing out the big guns now lol) We all pay tax you muppet. Council tax, VAT on our purchases ect. What I think you meant is that he pays income tax which suggests he has an income. There are a lot of people out there who would love an income that they could pay tax on but reducing their ability to survive for however long it takes for the jobs to become available reduces the fitness for work of that person as well as their employ-ability. Not only that it reduces the life chances of any children that might be in their care thus creating problems with the next generation of workers too. You obviously haven't grasped that I'm not a big fan of Labour either. You are correct in that we were tricked into going into war with Iraq and Afghanistan however knowing this hasn't taught us any lessons it would seem. We still haven't pulled out of Afghanistan 4 years into this government. Your argument seem to be that Labour tricked us into a war so why shouldn't the Tories be allowed to do the same? Is that what you are saying?
[quote][p][bold]Tinybantam[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]tinytoonster[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]RollandSmoke[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Alhaurinrhino[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]RollandSmoke[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Alhaurinrhino[/bold] wrote: They're not poor, they're lazy feckless breeders who think it's OK to rape the benefit system for all it's worth...... Well not any more matey :)[/p][/quote]Let me guess you don't have children and if you did you would never have claimed the child benefit that up until recently wasn't means tested and which a couple earning £80k a year can still claim. PLEASE TELL ME YOU DON'T HAVE CHILDREN.[/p][/quote]Actually I've got one child and another on the way :)). I recently moved into a four bedroom house because of my family, and guess what...I can afford it because I go out to work and have started a family now because I can afford them, unlike the feckless spongers who expect ME and other hardworking folk to provide for them as well as paying for our own. Given the chance I wouldn't mind having a child with the lovely Ms McVey as well.....very tasty ;)[/p][/quote]So you wont be claiming child benefit then or do you see it as an entitlement?[/p][/quote]he should be entitled, he pays taxes!! its people like you who think they are entitled to everything. the evil tories make the unliked but necessary decisions and then when labour come in they wont change it. so do not give me your codswallop speeches. who made up the wmd stories to get into iraq? who invaded afghanistan? mr blair and brown! easily forget that though because it does not suit your tory conspiracy theory![/p][/quote]Spot on comment........I notice no comeback.........cou ld it be you have actually shut him up for once, with his anti-tory ramblings?[/p][/quote]Don't be stupid you have barely got it in you to shut a door let alone shut me up. As for Tinytoonbrain's comments (they're really bringing out the big guns now lol) We all pay tax you muppet. Council tax, VAT on our purchases ect. What I think you meant is that he pays income tax which suggests he has an income. There are a lot of people out there who would love an income that they could pay tax on but reducing their ability to survive for however long it takes for the jobs to become available reduces the fitness for work of that person as well as their employ-ability. Not only that it reduces the life chances of any children that might be in their care thus creating problems with the next generation of workers too. You obviously haven't grasped that I'm not a big fan of Labour either. You are correct in that we were tricked into going into war with Iraq and Afghanistan however knowing this hasn't taught us any lessons it would seem. We still haven't pulled out of Afghanistan 4 years into this government. Your argument seem to be that Labour tricked us into a war so why shouldn't the Tories be allowed to do the same? Is that what you are saying? RollandSmoke
  • Score: -5

2:52pm Wed 2 Apr 14

Andy2010 says...

RollandSmoke wrote:
Tinybantam wrote:
tinytoonster wrote:
RollandSmoke wrote:
Alhaurinrhino wrote:
RollandSmoke wrote:
Alhaurinrhino wrote:
They're not poor, they're lazy feckless breeders who think it's OK to rape the benefit system for all it's worth......
Well not any more matey :)
Let me guess you don't have children and if you did you would never have claimed the child benefit that up until recently wasn't means tested and which a couple earning £80k a year can still claim. PLEASE TELL ME YOU DON'T HAVE CHILDREN.
Actually I've got one child and another on the way :)). I recently moved into a four bedroom house because of my family, and guess what...I can afford it because I go out to work and have started a family now because I can afford them, unlike the feckless spongers who expect ME and other hardworking folk to provide for them as well as paying for our own.
Given the chance I wouldn't mind having a child with the lovely Ms McVey as well.....very tasty ;)
So you wont be claiming child benefit then or do you see it as an entitlement?
he should be entitled, he pays taxes!!
its people like you who think they are entitled to everything.
the evil tories make the unliked but necessary decisions and then when labour come in they wont change it.
so do not give me your codswallop speeches.
who made up the wmd stories to get into iraq?
who invaded afghanistan?
mr blair and brown!
easily forget that though because it does not suit your tory conspiracy theory!
Spot on comment........I notice no comeback.........cou


ld it be you have actually shut him up for once, with his anti-tory ramblings?
Don't be stupid you have barely got it in you to shut a door let alone shut me up. As for Tinytoonbrain's comments (they're really bringing out the big guns now lol) We all pay tax you muppet. Council tax, VAT on our purchases ect. What I think you meant is that he pays income tax which suggests he has an income. There are a lot of people out there who would love an income that they could pay tax on but reducing their ability to survive for however long it takes for the jobs to become available reduces the fitness for work of that person as well as their employ-ability. Not only that it reduces the life chances of any children that might be in their care thus creating problems with the next generation of workers too. You obviously haven't grasped that I'm not a big fan of Labour either. You are correct in that we were tricked into going into war with Iraq and Afghanistan however knowing this hasn't taught us any lessons it would seem. We still haven't pulled out of Afghanistan 4 years into this government. Your argument seem to be that Labour tricked us into a war so why shouldn't the Tories be allowed to do the same? Is that what you are saying?
Your comments on Lee Rigby earlier in the other thread just compounded the fact that everything you say is simply complete and utter bull

Police turned up yet ?

Sick b*****d
[quote][p][bold]RollandSmoke[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Tinybantam[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]tinytoonster[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]RollandSmoke[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Alhaurinrhino[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]RollandSmoke[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Alhaurinrhino[/bold] wrote: They're not poor, they're lazy feckless breeders who think it's OK to rape the benefit system for all it's worth...... Well not any more matey :)[/p][/quote]Let me guess you don't have children and if you did you would never have claimed the child benefit that up until recently wasn't means tested and which a couple earning £80k a year can still claim. PLEASE TELL ME YOU DON'T HAVE CHILDREN.[/p][/quote]Actually I've got one child and another on the way :)). I recently moved into a four bedroom house because of my family, and guess what...I can afford it because I go out to work and have started a family now because I can afford them, unlike the feckless spongers who expect ME and other hardworking folk to provide for them as well as paying for our own. Given the chance I wouldn't mind having a child with the lovely Ms McVey as well.....very tasty ;)[/p][/quote]So you wont be claiming child benefit then or do you see it as an entitlement?[/p][/quote]he should be entitled, he pays taxes!! its people like you who think they are entitled to everything. the evil tories make the unliked but necessary decisions and then when labour come in they wont change it. so do not give me your codswallop speeches. who made up the wmd stories to get into iraq? who invaded afghanistan? mr blair and brown! easily forget that though because it does not suit your tory conspiracy theory![/p][/quote]Spot on comment........I notice no comeback.........cou ld it be you have actually shut him up for once, with his anti-tory ramblings?[/p][/quote]Don't be stupid you have barely got it in you to shut a door let alone shut me up. As for Tinytoonbrain's comments (they're really bringing out the big guns now lol) We all pay tax you muppet. Council tax, VAT on our purchases ect. What I think you meant is that he pays income tax which suggests he has an income. There are a lot of people out there who would love an income that they could pay tax on but reducing their ability to survive for however long it takes for the jobs to become available reduces the fitness for work of that person as well as their employ-ability. Not only that it reduces the life chances of any children that might be in their care thus creating problems with the next generation of workers too. You obviously haven't grasped that I'm not a big fan of Labour either. You are correct in that we were tricked into going into war with Iraq and Afghanistan however knowing this hasn't taught us any lessons it would seem. We still haven't pulled out of Afghanistan 4 years into this government. Your argument seem to be that Labour tricked us into a war so why shouldn't the Tories be allowed to do the same? Is that what you are saying?[/p][/quote]Your comments on Lee Rigby earlier in the other thread just compounded the fact that everything you say is simply complete and utter bull Police turned up yet ? Sick b*****d Andy2010
  • Score: 6

2:55pm Wed 2 Apr 14

RollandSmoke says...

tinytoonster wrote:
give everybody food and heating tokens only, take away all their 42" tvs and xboxes and we would see who is starving!
they get more than enough to survive which is all it should be.
its supposed to help not a lifestyle.
the reason wages are low is because your beloved labour party flooded the workforce with cheap immigration workers.
Please explain to me then why for all but the top few percent of earners their real terms wages have dropped over the four years of this government? What the brain donors have done is to reduce everyone's disposable income and this reduction in spending power has stagnated the economy. The banks will not lend and the only source of financing available are the pay day loan companies. We need to be promoting more entrepreneurship but you'd have to be an insane business man to start a business off the back of a wonga loan.
[quote][p][bold]tinytoonster[/bold] wrote: give everybody food and heating tokens only, take away all their 42" tvs and xboxes and we would see who is starving! they get more than enough to survive which is all it should be. its supposed to help not a lifestyle. the reason wages are low is because your beloved labour party flooded the workforce with cheap immigration workers.[/p][/quote]Please explain to me then why for all but the top few percent of earners their real terms wages have dropped over the four years of this government? What the brain donors have done is to reduce everyone's disposable income and this reduction in spending power has stagnated the economy. The banks will not lend and the only source of financing available are the pay day loan companies. We need to be promoting more entrepreneurship but you'd have to be an insane business man to start a business off the back of a wonga loan. RollandSmoke
  • Score: -6

3:03pm Wed 2 Apr 14

RollandSmoke says...

Andy2010 wrote:
RollandSmoke wrote:
Tinybantam wrote:
tinytoonster wrote:
RollandSmoke wrote:
Alhaurinrhino wrote:
RollandSmoke wrote:
Alhaurinrhino wrote:
They're not poor, they're lazy feckless breeders who think it's OK to rape the benefit system for all it's worth......
Well not any more matey :)
Let me guess you don't have children and if you did you would never have claimed the child benefit that up until recently wasn't means tested and which a couple earning £80k a year can still claim. PLEASE TELL ME YOU DON'T HAVE CHILDREN.
Actually I've got one child and another on the way :)). I recently moved into a four bedroom house because of my family, and guess what...I can afford it because I go out to work and have started a family now because I can afford them, unlike the feckless spongers who expect ME and other hardworking folk to provide for them as well as paying for our own.
Given the chance I wouldn't mind having a child with the lovely Ms McVey as well.....very tasty ;)
So you wont be claiming child benefit then or do you see it as an entitlement?
he should be entitled, he pays taxes!!
its people like you who think they are entitled to everything.
the evil tories make the unliked but necessary decisions and then when labour come in they wont change it.
so do not give me your codswallop speeches.
who made up the wmd stories to get into iraq?
who invaded afghanistan?
mr blair and brown!
easily forget that though because it does not suit your tory conspiracy theory!
Spot on comment........I notice no comeback.........cou



ld it be you have actually shut him up for once, with his anti-tory ramblings?
Don't be stupid you have barely got it in you to shut a door let alone shut me up. As for Tinytoonbrain's comments (they're really bringing out the big guns now lol) We all pay tax you muppet. Council tax, VAT on our purchases ect. What I think you meant is that he pays income tax which suggests he has an income. There are a lot of people out there who would love an income that they could pay tax on but reducing their ability to survive for however long it takes for the jobs to become available reduces the fitness for work of that person as well as their employ-ability. Not only that it reduces the life chances of any children that might be in their care thus creating problems with the next generation of workers too. You obviously haven't grasped that I'm not a big fan of Labour either. You are correct in that we were tricked into going into war with Iraq and Afghanistan however knowing this hasn't taught us any lessons it would seem. We still haven't pulled out of Afghanistan 4 years into this government. Your argument seem to be that Labour tricked us into a war so why shouldn't the Tories be allowed to do the same? Is that what you are saying?
Your comments on Lee Rigby earlier in the other thread just compounded the fact that everything you say is simply complete and utter bull

Police turned up yet ?

Sick b*****d
Whilst I would love to explain the laws of physics to you Andy I really can't be bothered. I believe you'll find that the comments that I was referring to were of Ingrid who's vantage point I think you'd have to agree was much closer and for a much longer period of time than either yours or mine. Although I did refer to Boyadee's comments as well as they are totally inaccurate. Do you dispute this?
[quote][p][bold]Andy2010[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]RollandSmoke[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Tinybantam[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]tinytoonster[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]RollandSmoke[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Alhaurinrhino[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]RollandSmoke[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Alhaurinrhino[/bold] wrote: They're not poor, they're lazy feckless breeders who think it's OK to rape the benefit system for all it's worth...... Well not any more matey :)[/p][/quote]Let me guess you don't have children and if you did you would never have claimed the child benefit that up until recently wasn't means tested and which a couple earning £80k a year can still claim. PLEASE TELL ME YOU DON'T HAVE CHILDREN.[/p][/quote]Actually I've got one child and another on the way :)). I recently moved into a four bedroom house because of my family, and guess what...I can afford it because I go out to work and have started a family now because I can afford them, unlike the feckless spongers who expect ME and other hardworking folk to provide for them as well as paying for our own. Given the chance I wouldn't mind having a child with the lovely Ms McVey as well.....very tasty ;)[/p][/quote]So you wont be claiming child benefit then or do you see it as an entitlement?[/p][/quote]he should be entitled, he pays taxes!! its people like you who think they are entitled to everything. the evil tories make the unliked but necessary decisions and then when labour come in they wont change it. so do not give me your codswallop speeches. who made up the wmd stories to get into iraq? who invaded afghanistan? mr blair and brown! easily forget that though because it does not suit your tory conspiracy theory![/p][/quote]Spot on comment........I notice no comeback.........cou ld it be you have actually shut him up for once, with his anti-tory ramblings?[/p][/quote]Don't be stupid you have barely got it in you to shut a door let alone shut me up. As for Tinytoonbrain's comments (they're really bringing out the big guns now lol) We all pay tax you muppet. Council tax, VAT on our purchases ect. What I think you meant is that he pays income tax which suggests he has an income. There are a lot of people out there who would love an income that they could pay tax on but reducing their ability to survive for however long it takes for the jobs to become available reduces the fitness for work of that person as well as their employ-ability. Not only that it reduces the life chances of any children that might be in their care thus creating problems with the next generation of workers too. You obviously haven't grasped that I'm not a big fan of Labour either. You are correct in that we were tricked into going into war with Iraq and Afghanistan however knowing this hasn't taught us any lessons it would seem. We still haven't pulled out of Afghanistan 4 years into this government. Your argument seem to be that Labour tricked us into a war so why shouldn't the Tories be allowed to do the same? Is that what you are saying?[/p][/quote]Your comments on Lee Rigby earlier in the other thread just compounded the fact that everything you say is simply complete and utter bull Police turned up yet ? Sick b*****d[/p][/quote]Whilst I would love to explain the laws of physics to you Andy I really can't be bothered. I believe you'll find that the comments that I was referring to were of Ingrid who's vantage point I think you'd have to agree was much closer and for a much longer period of time than either yours or mine. Although I did refer to Boyadee's comments as well as they are totally inaccurate. Do you dispute this? RollandSmoke
  • Score: -4

3:13pm Wed 2 Apr 14

Andy2010 says...

RollandSmoke wrote:
Andy2010 wrote:
RollandSmoke wrote:
Tinybantam wrote:
tinytoonster wrote:
RollandSmoke wrote:
Alhaurinrhino wrote:
RollandSmoke wrote:
Alhaurinrhino wrote:
They're not poor, they're lazy feckless breeders who think it's OK to rape the benefit system for all it's worth......
Well not any more matey :)
Let me guess you don't have children and if you did you would never have claimed the child benefit that up until recently wasn't means tested and which a couple earning £80k a year can still claim. PLEASE TELL ME YOU DON'T HAVE CHILDREN.
Actually I've got one child and another on the way :)). I recently moved into a four bedroom house because of my family, and guess what...I can afford it because I go out to work and have started a family now because I can afford them, unlike the feckless spongers who expect ME and other hardworking folk to provide for them as well as paying for our own.
Given the chance I wouldn't mind having a child with the lovely Ms McVey as well.....very tasty ;)
So you wont be claiming child benefit then or do you see it as an entitlement?
he should be entitled, he pays taxes!!
its people like you who think they are entitled to everything.
the evil tories make the unliked but necessary decisions and then when labour come in they wont change it.
so do not give me your codswallop speeches.
who made up the wmd stories to get into iraq?
who invaded afghanistan?
mr blair and brown!
easily forget that though because it does not suit your tory conspiracy theory!
Spot on comment........I notice no comeback.........cou




ld it be you have actually shut him up for once, with his anti-tory ramblings?
Don't be stupid you have barely got it in you to shut a door let alone shut me up. As for Tinytoonbrain's comments (they're really bringing out the big guns now lol) We all pay tax you muppet. Council tax, VAT on our purchases ect. What I think you meant is that he pays income tax which suggests he has an income. There are a lot of people out there who would love an income that they could pay tax on but reducing their ability to survive for however long it takes for the jobs to become available reduces the fitness for work of that person as well as their employ-ability. Not only that it reduces the life chances of any children that might be in their care thus creating problems with the next generation of workers too. You obviously haven't grasped that I'm not a big fan of Labour either. You are correct in that we were tricked into going into war with Iraq and Afghanistan however knowing this hasn't taught us any lessons it would seem. We still haven't pulled out of Afghanistan 4 years into this government. Your argument seem to be that Labour tricked us into a war so why shouldn't the Tories be allowed to do the same? Is that what you are saying?
Your comments on Lee Rigby earlier in the other thread just compounded the fact that everything you say is simply complete and utter bull

Police turned up yet ?

Sick b*****d
Whilst I would love to explain the laws of physics to you Andy I really can't be bothered. I believe you'll find that the comments that I was referring to were of Ingrid who's vantage point I think you'd have to agree was much closer and for a much longer period of time than either yours or mine. Although I did refer to Boyadee's comments as well as they are totally inaccurate. Do you dispute this?
No I prefer a colleague of mine who witnessed the whole thing and gave evidence at the trial. She is also receiving counselling for what she witnessed

So no I would prefer to believe the truth not some rubbish that was read on the internet or your pot induced paranoid mind came up with.

Please politely just f off and give us all a break
[quote][p][bold]RollandSmoke[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Andy2010[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]RollandSmoke[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Tinybantam[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]tinytoonster[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]RollandSmoke[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Alhaurinrhino[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]RollandSmoke[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Alhaurinrhino[/bold] wrote: They're not poor, they're lazy feckless breeders who think it's OK to rape the benefit system for all it's worth...... Well not any more matey :)[/p][/quote]Let me guess you don't have children and if you did you would never have claimed the child benefit that up until recently wasn't means tested and which a couple earning £80k a year can still claim. PLEASE TELL ME YOU DON'T HAVE CHILDREN.[/p][/quote]Actually I've got one child and another on the way :)). I recently moved into a four bedroom house because of my family, and guess what...I can afford it because I go out to work and have started a family now because I can afford them, unlike the feckless spongers who expect ME and other hardworking folk to provide for them as well as paying for our own. Given the chance I wouldn't mind having a child with the lovely Ms McVey as well.....very tasty ;)[/p][/quote]So you wont be claiming child benefit then or do you see it as an entitlement?[/p][/quote]he should be entitled, he pays taxes!! its people like you who think they are entitled to everything. the evil tories make the unliked but necessary decisions and then when labour come in they wont change it. so do not give me your codswallop speeches. who made up the wmd stories to get into iraq? who invaded afghanistan? mr blair and brown! easily forget that though because it does not suit your tory conspiracy theory![/p][/quote]Spot on comment........I notice no comeback.........cou ld it be you have actually shut him up for once, with his anti-tory ramblings?[/p][/quote]Don't be stupid you have barely got it in you to shut a door let alone shut me up. As for Tinytoonbrain's comments (they're really bringing out the big guns now lol) We all pay tax you muppet. Council tax, VAT on our purchases ect. What I think you meant is that he pays income tax which suggests he has an income. There are a lot of people out there who would love an income that they could pay tax on but reducing their ability to survive for however long it takes for the jobs to become available reduces the fitness for work of that person as well as their employ-ability. Not only that it reduces the life chances of any children that might be in their care thus creating problems with the next generation of workers too. You obviously haven't grasped that I'm not a big fan of Labour either. You are correct in that we were tricked into going into war with Iraq and Afghanistan however knowing this hasn't taught us any lessons it would seem. We still haven't pulled out of Afghanistan 4 years into this government. Your argument seem to be that Labour tricked us into a war so why shouldn't the Tories be allowed to do the same? Is that what you are saying?[/p][/quote]Your comments on Lee Rigby earlier in the other thread just compounded the fact that everything you say is simply complete and utter bull Police turned up yet ? Sick b*****d[/p][/quote]Whilst I would love to explain the laws of physics to you Andy I really can't be bothered. I believe you'll find that the comments that I was referring to were of Ingrid who's vantage point I think you'd have to agree was much closer and for a much longer period of time than either yours or mine. Although I did refer to Boyadee's comments as well as they are totally inaccurate. Do you dispute this?[/p][/quote]No I prefer a colleague of mine who witnessed the whole thing and gave evidence at the trial. She is also receiving counselling for what she witnessed So no I would prefer to believe the truth not some rubbish that was read on the internet or your pot induced paranoid mind came up with. Please politely just f off and give us all a break Andy2010
  • Score: 7

3:15pm Wed 2 Apr 14

Andy2010 says...

Andy2010 wrote:
RollandSmoke wrote:
Andy2010 wrote:
RollandSmoke wrote:
Tinybantam wrote:
tinytoonster wrote:
RollandSmoke wrote:
Alhaurinrhino wrote:
RollandSmoke wrote:
Alhaurinrhino wrote:
They're not poor, they're lazy feckless breeders who think it's OK to rape the benefit system for all it's worth......
Well not any more matey :)
Let me guess you don't have children and if you did you would never have claimed the child benefit that up until recently wasn't means tested and which a couple earning £80k a year can still claim. PLEASE TELL ME YOU DON'T HAVE CHILDREN.
Actually I've got one child and another on the way :)). I recently moved into a four bedroom house because of my family, and guess what...I can afford it because I go out to work and have started a family now because I can afford them, unlike the feckless spongers who expect ME and other hardworking folk to provide for them as well as paying for our own.
Given the chance I wouldn't mind having a child with the lovely Ms McVey as well.....very tasty ;)
So you wont be claiming child benefit then or do you see it as an entitlement?
he should be entitled, he pays taxes!!
its people like you who think they are entitled to everything.
the evil tories make the unliked but necessary decisions and then when labour come in they wont change it.
so do not give me your codswallop speeches.
who made up the wmd stories to get into iraq?
who invaded afghanistan?
mr blair and brown!
easily forget that though because it does not suit your tory conspiracy theory!
Spot on comment........I notice no comeback.........cou





ld it be you have actually shut him up for once, with his anti-tory ramblings?
Don't be stupid you have barely got it in you to shut a door let alone shut me up. As for Tinytoonbrain's comments (they're really bringing out the big guns now lol) We all pay tax you muppet. Council tax, VAT on our purchases ect. What I think you meant is that he pays income tax which suggests he has an income. There are a lot of people out there who would love an income that they could pay tax on but reducing their ability to survive for however long it takes for the jobs to become available reduces the fitness for work of that person as well as their employ-ability. Not only that it reduces the life chances of any children that might be in their care thus creating problems with the next generation of workers too. You obviously haven't grasped that I'm not a big fan of Labour either. You are correct in that we were tricked into going into war with Iraq and Afghanistan however knowing this hasn't taught us any lessons it would seem. We still haven't pulled out of Afghanistan 4 years into this government. Your argument seem to be that Labour tricked us into a war so why shouldn't the Tories be allowed to do the same? Is that what you are saying?
Your comments on Lee Rigby earlier in the other thread just compounded the fact that everything you say is simply complete and utter bull

Police turned up yet ?

Sick b*****d
Whilst I would love to explain the laws of physics to you Andy I really can't be bothered. I believe you'll find that the comments that I was referring to were of Ingrid who's vantage point I think you'd have to agree was much closer and for a much longer period of time than either yours or mine. Although I did refer to Boyadee's comments as well as they are totally inaccurate. Do you dispute this?
No I prefer a colleague of mine who witnessed the whole thing and gave evidence at the trial. She is also receiving counselling for what she witnessed

So no I would prefer to believe the truth not some rubbish that was read on the internet or your pot induced paranoid mind came up with.

Please politely just f off and give us all a break
Also don't worry about responding. You can explain your postings to the police. Let them decide
[quote][p][bold]Andy2010[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]RollandSmoke[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Andy2010[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]RollandSmoke[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Tinybantam[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]tinytoonster[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]RollandSmoke[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Alhaurinrhino[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]RollandSmoke[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Alhaurinrhino[/bold] wrote: They're not poor, they're lazy feckless breeders who think it's OK to rape the benefit system for all it's worth...... Well not any more matey :)[/p][/quote]Let me guess you don't have children and if you did you would never have claimed the child benefit that up until recently wasn't means tested and which a couple earning £80k a year can still claim. PLEASE TELL ME YOU DON'T HAVE CHILDREN.[/p][/quote]Actually I've got one child and another on the way :)). I recently moved into a four bedroom house because of my family, and guess what...I can afford it because I go out to work and have started a family now because I can afford them, unlike the feckless spongers who expect ME and other hardworking folk to provide for them as well as paying for our own. Given the chance I wouldn't mind having a child with the lovely Ms McVey as well.....very tasty ;)[/p][/quote]So you wont be claiming child benefit then or do you see it as an entitlement?[/p][/quote]he should be entitled, he pays taxes!! its people like you who think they are entitled to everything. the evil tories make the unliked but necessary decisions and then when labour come in they wont change it. so do not give me your codswallop speeches. who made up the wmd stories to get into iraq? who invaded afghanistan? mr blair and brown! easily forget that though because it does not suit your tory conspiracy theory![/p][/quote]Spot on comment........I notice no comeback.........cou ld it be you have actually shut him up for once, with his anti-tory ramblings?[/p][/quote]Don't be stupid you have barely got it in you to shut a door let alone shut me up. As for Tinytoonbrain's comments (they're really bringing out the big guns now lol) We all pay tax you muppet. Council tax, VAT on our purchases ect. What I think you meant is that he pays income tax which suggests he has an income. There are a lot of people out there who would love an income that they could pay tax on but reducing their ability to survive for however long it takes for the jobs to become available reduces the fitness for work of that person as well as their employ-ability. Not only that it reduces the life chances of any children that might be in their care thus creating problems with the next generation of workers too. You obviously haven't grasped that I'm not a big fan of Labour either. You are correct in that we were tricked into going into war with Iraq and Afghanistan however knowing this hasn't taught us any lessons it would seem. We still haven't pulled out of Afghanistan 4 years into this government. Your argument seem to be that Labour tricked us into a war so why shouldn't the Tories be allowed to do the same? Is that what you are saying?[/p][/quote]Your comments on Lee Rigby earlier in the other thread just compounded the fact that everything you say is simply complete and utter bull Police turned up yet ? Sick b*****d[/p][/quote]Whilst I would love to explain the laws of physics to you Andy I really can't be bothered. I believe you'll find that the comments that I was referring to were of Ingrid who's vantage point I think you'd have to agree was much closer and for a much longer period of time than either yours or mine. Although I did refer to Boyadee's comments as well as they are totally inaccurate. Do you dispute this?[/p][/quote]No I prefer a colleague of mine who witnessed the whole thing and gave evidence at the trial. She is also receiving counselling for what she witnessed So no I would prefer to believe the truth not some rubbish that was read on the internet or your pot induced paranoid mind came up with. Please politely just f off and give us all a break[/p][/quote]Also don't worry about responding. You can explain your postings to the police. Let them decide Andy2010
  • Score: 4

3:24pm Wed 2 Apr 14

RollandSmoke says...

Andy2010 wrote:
Andy2010 wrote:
RollandSmoke wrote:
Andy2010 wrote:
RollandSmoke wrote:
Tinybantam wrote:
tinytoonster wrote:
RollandSmoke wrote:
Alhaurinrhino wrote:
RollandSmoke wrote:
Alhaurinrhino wrote:
They're not poor, they're lazy feckless breeders who think it's OK to rape the benefit system for all it's worth......
Well not any more matey :)
Let me guess you don't have children and if you did you would never have claimed the child benefit that up until recently wasn't means tested and which a couple earning £80k a year can still claim. PLEASE TELL ME YOU DON'T HAVE CHILDREN.
Actually I've got one child and another on the way :)). I recently moved into a four bedroom house because of my family, and guess what...I can afford it because I go out to work and have started a family now because I can afford them, unlike the feckless spongers who expect ME and other hardworking folk to provide for them as well as paying for our own.
Given the chance I wouldn't mind having a child with the lovely Ms McVey as well.....very tasty ;)
So you wont be claiming child benefit then or do you see it as an entitlement?
he should be entitled, he pays taxes!!
its people like you who think they are entitled to everything.
the evil tories make the unliked but necessary decisions and then when labour come in they wont change it.
so do not give me your codswallop speeches.
who made up the wmd stories to get into iraq?
who invaded afghanistan?
mr blair and brown!
easily forget that though because it does not suit your tory conspiracy theory!
Spot on comment........I notice no comeback.........cou






ld it be you have actually shut him up for once, with his anti-tory ramblings?
Don't be stupid you have barely got it in you to shut a door let alone shut me up. As for Tinytoonbrain's comments (they're really bringing out the big guns now lol) We all pay tax you muppet. Council tax, VAT on our purchases ect. What I think you meant is that he pays income tax which suggests he has an income. There are a lot of people out there who would love an income that they could pay tax on but reducing their ability to survive for however long it takes for the jobs to become available reduces the fitness for work of that person as well as their employ-ability. Not only that it reduces the life chances of any children that might be in their care thus creating problems with the next generation of workers too. You obviously haven't grasped that I'm not a big fan of Labour either. You are correct in that we were tricked into going into war with Iraq and Afghanistan however knowing this hasn't taught us any lessons it would seem. We still haven't pulled out of Afghanistan 4 years into this government. Your argument seem to be that Labour tricked us into a war so why shouldn't the Tories be allowed to do the same? Is that what you are saying?
Your comments on Lee Rigby earlier in the other thread just compounded the fact that everything you say is simply complete and utter bull

Police turned up yet ?

Sick b*****d
Whilst I would love to explain the laws of physics to you Andy I really can't be bothered. I believe you'll find that the comments that I was referring to were of Ingrid who's vantage point I think you'd have to agree was much closer and for a much longer period of time than either yours or mine. Although I did refer to Boyadee's comments as well as they are totally inaccurate. Do you dispute this?
No I prefer a colleague of mine who witnessed the whole thing and gave evidence at the trial. She is also receiving counselling for what she witnessed

So no I would prefer to believe the truth not some rubbish that was read on the internet or your pot induced paranoid mind came up with.

Please politely just f off and give us all a break
Also don't worry about responding. You can explain your postings to the police. Let them decide
Please by all means report me to the police. If they are confident in the story they have been told they can come arrest me, I will explain to them the facts and then I will take action for false arrest. We still have some freedom of speech left in this country. I am not obliged to believe media lies and I will speak out when I see them.
[quote][p][bold]Andy2010[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Andy2010[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]RollandSmoke[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Andy2010[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]RollandSmoke[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Tinybantam[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]tinytoonster[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]RollandSmoke[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Alhaurinrhino[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]RollandSmoke[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Alhaurinrhino[/bold] wrote: They're not poor, they're lazy feckless breeders who think it's OK to rape the benefit system for all it's worth...... Well not any more matey :)[/p][/quote]Let me guess you don't have children and if you did you would never have claimed the child benefit that up until recently wasn't means tested and which a couple earning £80k a year can still claim. PLEASE TELL ME YOU DON'T HAVE CHILDREN.[/p][/quote]Actually I've got one child and another on the way :)). I recently moved into a four bedroom house because of my family, and guess what...I can afford it because I go out to work and have started a family now because I can afford them, unlike the feckless spongers who expect ME and other hardworking folk to provide for them as well as paying for our own. Given the chance I wouldn't mind having a child with the lovely Ms McVey as well.....very tasty ;)[/p][/quote]So you wont be claiming child benefit then or do you see it as an entitlement?[/p][/quote]he should be entitled, he pays taxes!! its people like you who think they are entitled to everything. the evil tories make the unliked but necessary decisions and then when labour come in they wont change it. so do not give me your codswallop speeches. who made up the wmd stories to get into iraq? who invaded afghanistan? mr blair and brown! easily forget that though because it does not suit your tory conspiracy theory![/p][/quote]Spot on comment........I notice no comeback.........cou ld it be you have actually shut him up for once, with his anti-tory ramblings?[/p][/quote]Don't be stupid you have barely got it in you to shut a door let alone shut me up. As for Tinytoonbrain's comments (they're really bringing out the big guns now lol) We all pay tax you muppet. Council tax, VAT on our purchases ect. What I think you meant is that he pays income tax which suggests he has an income. There are a lot of people out there who would love an income that they could pay tax on but reducing their ability to survive for however long it takes for the jobs to become available reduces the fitness for work of that person as well as their employ-ability. Not only that it reduces the life chances of any children that might be in their care thus creating problems with the next generation of workers too. You obviously haven't grasped that I'm not a big fan of Labour either. You are correct in that we were tricked into going into war with Iraq and Afghanistan however knowing this hasn't taught us any lessons it would seem. We still haven't pulled out of Afghanistan 4 years into this government. Your argument seem to be that Labour tricked us into a war so why shouldn't the Tories be allowed to do the same? Is that what you are saying?[/p][/quote]Your comments on Lee Rigby earlier in the other thread just compounded the fact that everything you say is simply complete and utter bull Police turned up yet ? Sick b*****d[/p][/quote]Whilst I would love to explain the laws of physics to you Andy I really can't be bothered. I believe you'll find that the comments that I was referring to were of Ingrid who's vantage point I think you'd have to agree was much closer and for a much longer period of time than either yours or mine. Although I did refer to Boyadee's comments as well as they are totally inaccurate. Do you dispute this?[/p][/quote]No I prefer a colleague of mine who witnessed the whole thing and gave evidence at the trial. She is also receiving counselling for what she witnessed So no I would prefer to believe the truth not some rubbish that was read on the internet or your pot induced paranoid mind came up with. Please politely just f off and give us all a break[/p][/quote]Also don't worry about responding. You can explain your postings to the police. Let them decide[/p][/quote]Please by all means report me to the police. If they are confident in the story they have been told they can come arrest me, I will explain to them the facts and then I will take action for false arrest. We still have some freedom of speech left in this country. I am not obliged to believe media lies and I will speak out when I see them. RollandSmoke
  • Score: -6

3:34pm Wed 2 Apr 14

Andy2010 says...

RollandSmoke wrote:
Andy2010 wrote:
Andy2010 wrote:
RollandSmoke wrote:
Andy2010 wrote:
RollandSmoke wrote:
Tinybantam wrote:
tinytoonster wrote:
RollandSmoke wrote:
Alhaurinrhino wrote:
RollandSmoke wrote:
Alhaurinrhino wrote:
They're not poor, they're lazy feckless breeders who think it's OK to rape the benefit system for all it's worth......
Well not any more matey :)
Let me guess you don't have children and if you did you would never have claimed the child benefit that up until recently wasn't means tested and which a couple earning £80k a year can still claim. PLEASE TELL ME YOU DON'T HAVE CHILDREN.
Actually I've got one child and another on the way :)). I recently moved into a four bedroom house because of my family, and guess what...I can afford it because I go out to work and have started a family now because I can afford them, unlike the feckless spongers who expect ME and other hardworking folk to provide for them as well as paying for our own.
Given the chance I wouldn't mind having a child with the lovely Ms McVey as well.....very tasty ;)
So you wont be claiming child benefit then or do you see it as an entitlement?
he should be entitled, he pays taxes!!
its people like you who think they are entitled to everything.
the evil tories make the unliked but necessary decisions and then when labour come in they wont change it.
so do not give me your codswallop speeches.
who made up the wmd stories to get into iraq?
who invaded afghanistan?
mr blair and brown!
easily forget that though because it does not suit your tory conspiracy theory!
Spot on comment........I notice no comeback.........cou







ld it be you have actually shut him up for once, with his anti-tory ramblings?
Don't be stupid you have barely got it in you to shut a door let alone shut me up. As for Tinytoonbrain's comments (they're really bringing out the big guns now lol) We all pay tax you muppet. Council tax, VAT on our purchases ect. What I think you meant is that he pays income tax which suggests he has an income. There are a lot of people out there who would love an income that they could pay tax on but reducing their ability to survive for however long it takes for the jobs to become available reduces the fitness for work of that person as well as their employ-ability. Not only that it reduces the life chances of any children that might be in their care thus creating problems with the next generation of workers too. You obviously haven't grasped that I'm not a big fan of Labour either. You are correct in that we were tricked into going into war with Iraq and Afghanistan however knowing this hasn't taught us any lessons it would seem. We still haven't pulled out of Afghanistan 4 years into this government. Your argument seem to be that Labour tricked us into a war so why shouldn't the Tories be allowed to do the same? Is that what you are saying?
Your comments on Lee Rigby earlier in the other thread just compounded the fact that everything you say is simply complete and utter bull

Police turned up yet ?

Sick b*****d
Whilst I would love to explain the laws of physics to you Andy I really can't be bothered. I believe you'll find that the comments that I was referring to were of Ingrid who's vantage point I think you'd have to agree was much closer and for a much longer period of time than either yours or mine. Although I did refer to Boyadee's comments as well as they are totally inaccurate. Do you dispute this?
No I prefer a colleague of mine who witnessed the whole thing and gave evidence at the trial. She is also receiving counselling for what she witnessed

So no I would prefer to believe the truth not some rubbish that was read on the internet or your pot induced paranoid mind came up with.

Please politely just f off and give us all a break
Also don't worry about responding. You can explain your postings to the police. Let them decide
Please by all means report me to the police. If they are confident in the story they have been told they can come arrest me, I will explain to them the facts and then I will take action for false arrest. We still have some freedom of speech left in this country. I am not obliged to believe media lies and I will speak out when I see them.
Just do us all a favour and f off will ya

What you have said is quite frankly disgusting both the the memory of Lee Rigby and his family not to mention the rest of the UK.

I sincerely hope some squadies are reading this and choose to show you what is it to be "hard" rather than the little pathetic keyboard warrior you are.

Its one thing to bang on about Tories, conspirators and whatever else but to openly state that the killing of Lee Rigby never happened and the whole of the UK was hoodwinked is insulting to everyone. No your not obliged to believe media but how can you deny the video evidence, photo evidence, forensic evidence, witness evidence...hell even the killers admitting it but dont let that take anything away from your stupid ideas will you

I honestly thought you were just some sort of little troll who came on here because they had no life but you have just proved you are clearly more that and in fact a disgusting piece of scum.
[quote][p][bold]RollandSmoke[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Andy2010[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Andy2010[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]RollandSmoke[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Andy2010[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]RollandSmoke[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Tinybantam[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]tinytoonster[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]RollandSmoke[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Alhaurinrhino[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]RollandSmoke[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Alhaurinrhino[/bold] wrote: They're not poor, they're lazy feckless breeders who think it's OK to rape the benefit system for all it's worth...... Well not any more matey :)[/p][/quote]Let me guess you don't have children and if you did you would never have claimed the child benefit that up until recently wasn't means tested and which a couple earning £80k a year can still claim. PLEASE TELL ME YOU DON'T HAVE CHILDREN.[/p][/quote]Actually I've got one child and another on the way :)). I recently moved into a four bedroom house because of my family, and guess what...I can afford it because I go out to work and have started a family now because I can afford them, unlike the feckless spongers who expect ME and other hardworking folk to provide for them as well as paying for our own. Given the chance I wouldn't mind having a child with the lovely Ms McVey as well.....very tasty ;)[/p][/quote]So you wont be claiming child benefit then or do you see it as an entitlement?[/p][/quote]he should be entitled, he pays taxes!! its people like you who think they are entitled to everything. the evil tories make the unliked but necessary decisions and then when labour come in they wont change it. so do not give me your codswallop speeches. who made up the wmd stories to get into iraq? who invaded afghanistan? mr blair and brown! easily forget that though because it does not suit your tory conspiracy theory![/p][/quote]Spot on comment........I notice no comeback.........cou ld it be you have actually shut him up for once, with his anti-tory ramblings?[/p][/quote]Don't be stupid you have barely got it in you to shut a door let alone shut me up. As for Tinytoonbrain's comments (they're really bringing out the big guns now lol) We all pay tax you muppet. Council tax, VAT on our purchases ect. What I think you meant is that he pays income tax which suggests he has an income. There are a lot of people out there who would love an income that they could pay tax on but reducing their ability to survive for however long it takes for the jobs to become available reduces the fitness for work of that person as well as their employ-ability. Not only that it reduces the life chances of any children that might be in their care thus creating problems with the next generation of workers too. You obviously haven't grasped that I'm not a big fan of Labour either. You are correct in that we were tricked into going into war with Iraq and Afghanistan however knowing this hasn't taught us any lessons it would seem. We still haven't pulled out of Afghanistan 4 years into this government. Your argument seem to be that Labour tricked us into a war so why shouldn't the Tories be allowed to do the same? Is that what you are saying?[/p][/quote]Your comments on Lee Rigby earlier in the other thread just compounded the fact that everything you say is simply complete and utter bull Police turned up yet ? Sick b*****d[/p][/quote]Whilst I would love to explain the laws of physics to you Andy I really can't be bothered. I believe you'll find that the comments that I was referring to were of Ingrid who's vantage point I think you'd have to agree was much closer and for a much longer period of time than either yours or mine. Although I did refer to Boyadee's comments as well as they are totally inaccurate. Do you dispute this?[/p][/quote]No I prefer a colleague of mine who witnessed the whole thing and gave evidence at the trial. She is also receiving counselling for what she witnessed So no I would prefer to believe the truth not some rubbish that was read on the internet or your pot induced paranoid mind came up with. Please politely just f off and give us all a break[/p][/quote]Also don't worry about responding. You can explain your postings to the police. Let them decide[/p][/quote]Please by all means report me to the police. If they are confident in the story they have been told they can come arrest me, I will explain to them the facts and then I will take action for false arrest. We still have some freedom of speech left in this country. I am not obliged to believe media lies and I will speak out when I see them.[/p][/quote]Just do us all a favour and f off will ya What you have said is quite frankly disgusting both the the memory of Lee Rigby and his family not to mention the rest of the UK. I sincerely hope some squadies are reading this and choose to show you what is it to be "hard" rather than the little pathetic keyboard warrior you are. Its one thing to bang on about Tories, conspirators and whatever else but to openly state that the killing of Lee Rigby never happened and the whole of the UK was hoodwinked is insulting to everyone. No your not obliged to believe media but how can you deny the video evidence, photo evidence, forensic evidence, witness evidence...hell even the killers admitting it but dont let that take anything away from your stupid ideas will you I honestly thought you were just some sort of little troll who came on here because they had no life but you have just proved you are clearly more that and in fact a disgusting piece of scum. Andy2010
  • Score: 7

3:47pm Wed 2 Apr 14

RollandSmoke says...

Andy2010 wrote:
RollandSmoke wrote:
Andy2010 wrote:
Andy2010 wrote:
RollandSmoke wrote:
Andy2010 wrote:
RollandSmoke wrote:
Tinybantam wrote:
tinytoonster wrote:
RollandSmoke wrote:
Alhaurinrhino wrote:
RollandSmoke wrote:
Alhaurinrhino wrote:
They're not poor, they're lazy feckless breeders who think it's OK to rape the benefit system for all it's worth......
Well not any more matey :)
Let me guess you don't have children and if you did you would never have claimed the child benefit that up until recently wasn't means tested and which a couple earning £80k a year can still claim. PLEASE TELL ME YOU DON'T HAVE CHILDREN.
Actually I've got one child and another on the way :)). I recently moved into a four bedroom house because of my family, and guess what...I can afford it because I go out to work and have started a family now because I can afford them, unlike the feckless spongers who expect ME and other hardworking folk to provide for them as well as paying for our own.
Given the chance I wouldn't mind having a child with the lovely Ms McVey as well.....very tasty ;)
So you wont be claiming child benefit then or do you see it as an entitlement?
he should be entitled, he pays taxes!!
its people like you who think they are entitled to everything.
the evil tories make the unliked but necessary decisions and then when labour come in they wont change it.
so do not give me your codswallop speeches.
who made up the wmd stories to get into iraq?
who invaded afghanistan?
mr blair and brown!
easily forget that though because it does not suit your tory conspiracy theory!
Spot on comment........I notice no comeback.........cou








ld it be you have actually shut him up for once, with his anti-tory ramblings?
Don't be stupid you have barely got it in you to shut a door let alone shut me up. As for Tinytoonbrain's comments (they're really bringing out the big guns now lol) We all pay tax you muppet. Council tax, VAT on our purchases ect. What I think you meant is that he pays income tax which suggests he has an income. There are a lot of people out there who would love an income that they could pay tax on but reducing their ability to survive for however long it takes for the jobs to become available reduces the fitness for work of that person as well as their employ-ability. Not only that it reduces the life chances of any children that might be in their care thus creating problems with the next generation of workers too. You obviously haven't grasped that I'm not a big fan of Labour either. You are correct in that we were tricked into going into war with Iraq and Afghanistan however knowing this hasn't taught us any lessons it would seem. We still haven't pulled out of Afghanistan 4 years into this government. Your argument seem to be that Labour tricked us into a war so why shouldn't the Tories be allowed to do the same? Is that what you are saying?
Your comments on Lee Rigby earlier in the other thread just compounded the fact that everything you say is simply complete and utter bull

Police turned up yet ?

Sick b*****d
Whilst I would love to explain the laws of physics to you Andy I really can't be bothered. I believe you'll find that the comments that I was referring to were of Ingrid who's vantage point I think you'd have to agree was much closer and for a much longer period of time than either yours or mine. Although I did refer to Boyadee's comments as well as they are totally inaccurate. Do you dispute this?
No I prefer a colleague of mine who witnessed the whole thing and gave evidence at the trial. She is also receiving counselling for what she witnessed

So no I would prefer to believe the truth not some rubbish that was read on the internet or your pot induced paranoid mind came up with.

Please politely just f off and give us all a break
Also don't worry about responding. You can explain your postings to the police. Let them decide
Please by all means report me to the police. If they are confident in the story they have been told they can come arrest me, I will explain to them the facts and then I will take action for false arrest. We still have some freedom of speech left in this country. I am not obliged to believe media lies and I will speak out when I see them.
Just do us all a favour and f off will ya

What you have said is quite frankly disgusting both the the memory of Lee Rigby and his family not to mention the rest of the UK.

I sincerely hope some squadies are reading this and choose to show you what is it to be "hard" rather than the little pathetic keyboard warrior you are.

Its one thing to bang on about Tories, conspirators and whatever else but to openly state that the killing of Lee Rigby never happened and the whole of the UK was hoodwinked is insulting to everyone. No your not obliged to believe media but how can you deny the video evidence, photo evidence, forensic evidence, witness evidence...hell even the killers admitting it but dont let that take anything away from your stupid ideas will you

I honestly thought you were just some sort of little troll who came on here because they had no life but you have just proved you are clearly more that and in fact a disgusting piece of scum.
Was Lee Rigby beheaded yes or no? If not why did boyadee claim to have witnessed "a man with his head chopped off right in front of his eyes"? Why did he claim they had "machetes" and why did he claim that one man "blew his finger off" firing a gun that was neither loaded or operational? Why when the gun was a blue six shot revolver did Graham Wilder tell reporters “Next minute urm he’s pulled the gun out from behind the back of him, black handgun which takes 12 to 15 rounds, and he’s just shot off. And then I walk back because I’ve seen the handgun and like cos I knew what the handgun looked like.”? In your own time now.
[quote][p][bold]Andy2010[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]RollandSmoke[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Andy2010[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Andy2010[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]RollandSmoke[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Andy2010[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]RollandSmoke[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Tinybantam[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]tinytoonster[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]RollandSmoke[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Alhaurinrhino[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]RollandSmoke[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Alhaurinrhino[/bold] wrote: They're not poor, they're lazy feckless breeders who think it's OK to rape the benefit system for all it's worth...... Well not any more matey :)[/p][/quote]Let me guess you don't have children and if you did you would never have claimed the child benefit that up until recently wasn't means tested and which a couple earning £80k a year can still claim. PLEASE TELL ME YOU DON'T HAVE CHILDREN.[/p][/quote]Actually I've got one child and another on the way :)). I recently moved into a four bedroom house because of my family, and guess what...I can afford it because I go out to work and have started a family now because I can afford them, unlike the feckless spongers who expect ME and other hardworking folk to provide for them as well as paying for our own. Given the chance I wouldn't mind having a child with the lovely Ms McVey as well.....very tasty ;)[/p][/quote]So you wont be claiming child benefit then or do you see it as an entitlement?[/p][/quote]he should be entitled, he pays taxes!! its people like you who think they are entitled to everything. the evil tories make the unliked but necessary decisions and then when labour come in they wont change it. so do not give me your codswallop speeches. who made up the wmd stories to get into iraq? who invaded afghanistan? mr blair and brown! easily forget that though because it does not suit your tory conspiracy theory![/p][/quote]Spot on comment........I notice no comeback.........cou ld it be you have actually shut him up for once, with his anti-tory ramblings?[/p][/quote]Don't be stupid you have barely got it in you to shut a door let alone shut me up. As for Tinytoonbrain's comments (they're really bringing out the big guns now lol) We all pay tax you muppet. Council tax, VAT on our purchases ect. What I think you meant is that he pays income tax which suggests he has an income. There are a lot of people out there who would love an income that they could pay tax on but reducing their ability to survive for however long it takes for the jobs to become available reduces the fitness for work of that person as well as their employ-ability. Not only that it reduces the life chances of any children that might be in their care thus creating problems with the next generation of workers too. You obviously haven't grasped that I'm not a big fan of Labour either. You are correct in that we were tricked into going into war with Iraq and Afghanistan however knowing this hasn't taught us any lessons it would seem. We still haven't pulled out of Afghanistan 4 years into this government. Your argument seem to be that Labour tricked us into a war so why shouldn't the Tories be allowed to do the same? Is that what you are saying?[/p][/quote]Your comments on Lee Rigby earlier in the other thread just compounded the fact that everything you say is simply complete and utter bull Police turned up yet ? Sick b*****d[/p][/quote]Whilst I would love to explain the laws of physics to you Andy I really can't be bothered. I believe you'll find that the comments that I was referring to were of Ingrid who's vantage point I think you'd have to agree was much closer and for a much longer period of time than either yours or mine. Although I did refer to Boyadee's comments as well as they are totally inaccurate. Do you dispute this?[/p][/quote]No I prefer a colleague of mine who witnessed the whole thing and gave evidence at the trial. She is also receiving counselling for what she witnessed So no I would prefer to believe the truth not some rubbish that was read on the internet or your pot induced paranoid mind came up with. Please politely just f off and give us all a break[/p][/quote]Also don't worry about responding. You can explain your postings to the police. Let them decide[/p][/quote]Please by all means report me to the police. If they are confident in the story they have been told they can come arrest me, I will explain to them the facts and then I will take action for false arrest. We still have some freedom of speech left in this country. I am not obliged to believe media lies and I will speak out when I see them.[/p][/quote]Just do us all a favour and f off will ya What you have said is quite frankly disgusting both the the memory of Lee Rigby and his family not to mention the rest of the UK. I sincerely hope some squadies are reading this and choose to show you what is it to be "hard" rather than the little pathetic keyboard warrior you are. Its one thing to bang on about Tories, conspirators and whatever else but to openly state that the killing of Lee Rigby never happened and the whole of the UK was hoodwinked is insulting to everyone. No your not obliged to believe media but how can you deny the video evidence, photo evidence, forensic evidence, witness evidence...hell even the killers admitting it but dont let that take anything away from your stupid ideas will you I honestly thought you were just some sort of little troll who came on here because they had no life but you have just proved you are clearly more that and in fact a disgusting piece of scum.[/p][/quote]Was Lee Rigby beheaded yes or no? If not why did boyadee claim to have witnessed "a man with his head chopped off right in front of his eyes"? Why did he claim they had "machetes" and why did he claim that one man "blew his finger off" firing a gun that was neither loaded or operational? Why when the gun was a blue six shot revolver did Graham Wilder tell reporters “Next minute urm he’s pulled the gun out from behind the back of him, black handgun which takes 12 to 15 rounds, and he’s just shot off. And then I walk back because I’ve seen the handgun and like cos I knew what the handgun looked like.”? In your own time now. RollandSmoke
  • Score: -3

4:03pm Wed 2 Apr 14

Andy2010 says...

RollandSmoke wrote:
Andy2010 wrote:
RollandSmoke wrote:
Andy2010 wrote:
Andy2010 wrote:
RollandSmoke wrote:
Andy2010 wrote:
RollandSmoke wrote:
Tinybantam wrote:
tinytoonster wrote:
RollandSmoke wrote:
Alhaurinrhino wrote:
RollandSmoke wrote:
Alhaurinrhino wrote:
They're not poor, they're lazy feckless breeders who think it's OK to rape the benefit system for all it's worth......
Well not any more matey :)
Let me guess you don't have children and if you did you would never have claimed the child benefit that up until recently wasn't means tested and which a couple earning £80k a year can still claim. PLEASE TELL ME YOU DON'T HAVE CHILDREN.
Actually I've got one child and another on the way :)). I recently moved into a four bedroom house because of my family, and guess what...I can afford it because I go out to work and have started a family now because I can afford them, unlike the feckless spongers who expect ME and other hardworking folk to provide for them as well as paying for our own.
Given the chance I wouldn't mind having a child with the lovely Ms McVey as well.....very tasty ;)
So you wont be claiming child benefit then or do you see it as an entitlement?
he should be entitled, he pays taxes!!
its people like you who think they are entitled to everything.
the evil tories make the unliked but necessary decisions and then when labour come in they wont change it.
so do not give me your codswallop speeches.
who made up the wmd stories to get into iraq?
who invaded afghanistan?
mr blair and brown!
easily forget that though because it does not suit your tory conspiracy theory!
Spot on comment........I notice no comeback.........cou









ld it be you have actually shut him up for once, with his anti-tory ramblings?
Don't be stupid you have barely got it in you to shut a door let alone shut me up. As for Tinytoonbrain's comments (they're really bringing out the big guns now lol) We all pay tax you muppet. Council tax, VAT on our purchases ect. What I think you meant is that he pays income tax which suggests he has an income. There are a lot of people out there who would love an income that they could pay tax on but reducing their ability to survive for however long it takes for the jobs to become available reduces the fitness for work of that person as well as their employ-ability. Not only that it reduces the life chances of any children that might be in their care thus creating problems with the next generation of workers too. You obviously haven't grasped that I'm not a big fan of Labour either. You are correct in that we were tricked into going into war with Iraq and Afghanistan however knowing this hasn't taught us any lessons it would seem. We still haven't pulled out of Afghanistan 4 years into this government. Your argument seem to be that Labour tricked us into a war so why shouldn't the Tories be allowed to do the same? Is that what you are saying?
Your comments on Lee Rigby earlier in the other thread just compounded the fact that everything you say is simply complete and utter bull

Police turned up yet ?

Sick b*****d
Whilst I would love to explain the laws of physics to you Andy I really can't be bothered. I believe you'll find that the comments that I was referring to were of Ingrid who's vantage point I think you'd have to agree was much closer and for a much longer period of time than either yours or mine. Although I did refer to Boyadee's comments as well as they are totally inaccurate. Do you dispute this?
No I prefer a colleague of mine who witnessed the whole thing and gave evidence at the trial. She is also receiving counselling for what she witnessed

So no I would prefer to believe the truth not some rubbish that was read on the internet or your pot induced paranoid mind came up with.

Please politely just f off and give us all a break
Also don't worry about responding. You can explain your postings to the police. Let them decide
Please by all means report me to the police. If they are confident in the story they have been told they can come arrest me, I will explain to them the facts and then I will take action for false arrest. We still have some freedom of speech left in this country. I am not obliged to believe media lies and I will speak out when I see them.
Just do us all a favour and f off will ya

What you have said is quite frankly disgusting both the the memory of Lee Rigby and his family not to mention the rest of the UK.

I sincerely hope some squadies are reading this and choose to show you what is it to be "hard" rather than the little pathetic keyboard warrior you are.

Its one thing to bang on about Tories, conspirators and whatever else but to openly state that the killing of Lee Rigby never happened and the whole of the UK was hoodwinked is insulting to everyone. No your not obliged to believe media but how can you deny the video evidence, photo evidence, forensic evidence, witness evidence...hell even the killers admitting it but dont let that take anything away from your stupid ideas will you

I honestly thought you were just some sort of little troll who came on here because they had no life but you have just proved you are clearly more that and in fact a disgusting piece of scum.
Was Lee Rigby beheaded yes or no? If not why did boyadee claim to have witnessed "a man with his head chopped off right in front of his eyes"? Why did he claim they had "machetes" and why did he claim that one man "blew his finger off" firing a gun that was neither loaded or operational? Why when the gun was a blue six shot revolver did Graham Wilder tell reporters “Next minute urm he’s pulled the gun out from behind the back of him, black handgun which takes 12 to 15 rounds, and he’s just shot off. And then I walk back because I’ve seen the handgun and like cos I knew what the handgun looked like.”? In your own time now.
Who cares.

Fact is he was murdered, they were caught at the scene, they admitted and they were sentenced as guilty.....that's the simple end of it.

Whos give a flying sh*t if some of the witnesses accounts varied slightly (as is the case with anything of this nature as due to the heat of moment people remember and forget different things happening).

Look just stop trying to justify yourself when you are clearly just trying to wind up everyone. What next from you? Hitler was a myth? 9/11 never happened, Dianna was killed by MI5, Elvis is alive

You just talk plain and simple sh*t and should go away quietly before someone comes looking for you
[quote][p][bold]RollandSmoke[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Andy2010[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]RollandSmoke[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Andy2010[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Andy2010[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]RollandSmoke[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Andy2010[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]RollandSmoke[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Tinybantam[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]tinytoonster[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]RollandSmoke[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Alhaurinrhino[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]RollandSmoke[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Alhaurinrhino[/bold] wrote: They're not poor, they're lazy feckless breeders who think it's OK to rape the benefit system for all it's worth...... Well not any more matey :)[/p][/quote]Let me guess you don't have children and if you did you would never have claimed the child benefit that up until recently wasn't means tested and which a couple earning £80k a year can still claim. PLEASE TELL ME YOU DON'T HAVE CHILDREN.[/p][/quote]Actually I've got one child and another on the way :)). I recently moved into a four bedroom house because of my family, and guess what...I can afford it because I go out to work and have started a family now because I can afford them, unlike the feckless spongers who expect ME and other hardworking folk to provide for them as well as paying for our own. Given the chance I wouldn't mind having a child with the lovely Ms McVey as well.....very tasty ;)[/p][/quote]So you wont be claiming child benefit then or do you see it as an entitlement?[/p][/quote]he should be entitled, he pays taxes!! its people like you who think they are entitled to everything. the evil tories make the unliked but necessary decisions and then when labour come in they wont change it. so do not give me your codswallop speeches. who made up the wmd stories to get into iraq? who invaded afghanistan? mr blair and brown! easily forget that though because it does not suit your tory conspiracy theory![/p][/quote]Spot on comment........I notice no comeback.........cou ld it be you have actually shut him up for once, with his anti-tory ramblings?[/p][/quote]Don't be stupid you have barely got it in you to shut a door let alone shut me up. As for Tinytoonbrain's comments (they're really bringing out the big guns now lol) We all pay tax you muppet. Council tax, VAT on our purchases ect. What I think you meant is that he pays income tax which suggests he has an income. There are a lot of people out there who would love an income that they could pay tax on but reducing their ability to survive for however long it takes for the jobs to become available reduces the fitness for work of that person as well as their employ-ability. Not only that it reduces the life chances of any children that might be in their care thus creating problems with the next generation of workers too. You obviously haven't grasped that I'm not a big fan of Labour either. You are correct in that we were tricked into going into war with Iraq and Afghanistan however knowing this hasn't taught us any lessons it would seem. We still haven't pulled out of Afghanistan 4 years into this government. Your argument seem to be that Labour tricked us into a war so why shouldn't the Tories be allowed to do the same? Is that what you are saying?[/p][/quote]Your comments on Lee Rigby earlier in the other thread just compounded the fact that everything you say is simply complete and utter bull Police turned up yet ? Sick b*****d[/p][/quote]Whilst I would love to explain the laws of physics to you Andy I really can't be bothered. I believe you'll find that the comments that I was referring to were of Ingrid who's vantage point I think you'd have to agree was much closer and for a much longer period of time than either yours or mine. Although I did refer to Boyadee's comments as well as they are totally inaccurate. Do you dispute this?[/p][/quote]No I prefer a colleague of mine who witnessed the whole thing and gave evidence at the trial. She is also receiving counselling for what she witnessed So no I would prefer to believe the truth not some rubbish that was read on the internet or your pot induced paranoid mind came up with. Please politely just f off and give us all a break[/p][/quote]Also don't worry about responding. You can explain your postings to the police. Let them decide[/p][/quote]Please by all means report me to the police. If they are confident in the story they have been told they can come arrest me, I will explain to them the facts and then I will take action for false arrest. We still have some freedom of speech left in this country. I am not obliged to believe media lies and I will speak out when I see them.[/p][/quote]Just do us all a favour and f off will ya What you have said is quite frankly disgusting both the the memory of Lee Rigby and his family not to mention the rest of the UK. I sincerely hope some squadies are reading this and choose to show you what is it to be "hard" rather than the little pathetic keyboard warrior you are. Its one thing to bang on about Tories, conspirators and whatever else but to openly state that the killing of Lee Rigby never happened and the whole of the UK was hoodwinked is insulting to everyone. No your not obliged to believe media but how can you deny the video evidence, photo evidence, forensic evidence, witness evidence...hell even the killers admitting it but dont let that take anything away from your stupid ideas will you I honestly thought you were just some sort of little troll who came on here because they had no life but you have just proved you are clearly more that and in fact a disgusting piece of scum.[/p][/quote]Was Lee Rigby beheaded yes or no? If not why did boyadee claim to have witnessed "a man with his head chopped off right in front of his eyes"? Why did he claim they had "machetes" and why did he claim that one man "blew his finger off" firing a gun that was neither loaded or operational? Why when the gun was a blue six shot revolver did Graham Wilder tell reporters “Next minute urm he’s pulled the gun out from behind the back of him, black handgun which takes 12 to 15 rounds, and he’s just shot off. And then I walk back because I’ve seen the handgun and like cos I knew what the handgun looked like.”? In your own time now.[/p][/quote]Who cares. Fact is he was murdered, they were caught at the scene, they admitted and they were sentenced as guilty.....that's the simple end of it. Whos give a flying sh*t if some of the witnesses accounts varied slightly (as is the case with anything of this nature as due to the heat of moment people remember and forget different things happening). Look just stop trying to justify yourself when you are clearly just trying to wind up everyone. What next from you? Hitler was a myth? 9/11 never happened, Dianna was killed by MI5, Elvis is alive You just talk plain and simple sh*t and should go away quietly before someone comes looking for you Andy2010
  • Score: 2

4:15pm Wed 2 Apr 14

RollandSmoke says...

Andy2010 wrote:
RollandSmoke wrote:
Andy2010 wrote:
RollandSmoke wrote:
Andy2010 wrote:
Andy2010 wrote:
RollandSmoke wrote:
Andy2010 wrote:
RollandSmoke wrote:
Tinybantam wrote:
tinytoonster wrote:
RollandSmoke wrote:
Alhaurinrhino wrote:
RollandSmoke wrote:
Alhaurinrhino wrote:
They're not poor, they're lazy feckless breeders who think it's OK to rape the benefit system for all it's worth......
Well not any more matey :)
Let me guess you don't have children and if you did you would never have claimed the child benefit that up until recently wasn't means tested and which a couple earning £80k a year can still claim. PLEASE TELL ME YOU DON'T HAVE CHILDREN.
Actually I've got one child and another on the way :)). I recently moved into a four bedroom house because of my family, and guess what...I can afford it because I go out to work and have started a family now because I can afford them, unlike the feckless spongers who expect ME and other hardworking folk to provide for them as well as paying for our own.
Given the chance I wouldn't mind having a child with the lovely Ms McVey as well.....very tasty ;)
So you wont be claiming child benefit then or do you see it as an entitlement?
he should be entitled, he pays taxes!!
its people like you who think they are entitled to everything.
the evil tories make the unliked but necessary decisions and then when labour come in they wont change it.
so do not give me your codswallop speeches.
who made up the wmd stories to get into iraq?
who invaded afghanistan?
mr blair and brown!
easily forget that though because it does not suit your tory conspiracy theory!
Spot on comment........I notice no comeback.........cou










ld it be you have actually shut him up for once, with his anti-tory ramblings?
Don't be stupid you have barely got it in you to shut a door let alone shut me up. As for Tinytoonbrain's comments (they're really bringing out the big guns now lol) We all pay tax you muppet. Council tax, VAT on our purchases ect. What I think you meant is that he pays income tax which suggests he has an income. There are a lot of people out there who would love an income that they could pay tax on but reducing their ability to survive for however long it takes for the jobs to become available reduces the fitness for work of that person as well as their employ-ability. Not only that it reduces the life chances of any children that might be in their care thus creating problems with the next generation of workers too. You obviously haven't grasped that I'm not a big fan of Labour either. You are correct in that we were tricked into going into war with Iraq and Afghanistan however knowing this hasn't taught us any lessons it would seem. We still haven't pulled out of Afghanistan 4 years into this government. Your argument seem to be that Labour tricked us into a war so why shouldn't the Tories be allowed to do the same? Is that what you are saying?
Your comments on Lee Rigby earlier in the other thread just compounded the fact that everything you say is simply complete and utter bull

Police turned up yet ?

Sick b*****d
Whilst I would love to explain the laws of physics to you Andy I really can't be bothered. I believe you'll find that the comments that I was referring to were of Ingrid who's vantage point I think you'd have to agree was much closer and for a much longer period of time than either yours or mine. Although I did refer to Boyadee's comments as well as they are totally inaccurate. Do you dispute this?
No I prefer a colleague of mine who witnessed the whole thing and gave evidence at the trial. She is also receiving counselling for what she witnessed

So no I would prefer to believe the truth not some rubbish that was read on the internet or your pot induced paranoid mind came up with.

Please politely just f off and give us all a break
Also don't worry about responding. You can explain your postings to the police. Let them decide
Please by all means report me to the police. If they are confident in the story they have been told they can come arrest me, I will explain to them the facts and then I will take action for false arrest. We still have some freedom of speech left in this country. I am not obliged to believe media lies and I will speak out when I see them.
Just do us all a favour and f off will ya

What you have said is quite frankly disgusting both the the memory of Lee Rigby and his family not to mention the rest of the UK.

I sincerely hope some squadies are reading this and choose to show you what is it to be "hard" rather than the little pathetic keyboard warrior you are.

Its one thing to bang on about Tories, conspirators and whatever else but to openly state that the killing of Lee Rigby never happened and the whole of the UK was hoodwinked is insulting to everyone. No your not obliged to believe media but how can you deny the video evidence, photo evidence, forensic evidence, witness evidence...hell even the killers admitting it but dont let that take anything away from your stupid ideas will you

I honestly thought you were just some sort of little troll who came on here because they had no life but you have just proved you are clearly more that and in fact a disgusting piece of scum.
Was Lee Rigby beheaded yes or no? If not why did boyadee claim to have witnessed "a man with his head chopped off right in front of his eyes"? Why did he claim they had "machetes" and why did he claim that one man "blew his finger off" firing a gun that was neither loaded or operational? Why when the gun was a blue six shot revolver did Graham Wilder tell reporters “Next minute urm he’s pulled the gun out from behind the back of him, black handgun which takes 12 to 15 rounds, and he’s just shot off. And then I walk back because I’ve seen the handgun and like cos I knew what the handgun looked like.”? In your own time now.
Who cares.

Fact is he was murdered, they were caught at the scene, they admitted and they were sentenced as guilty.....that's the simple end of it.

Whos give a flying sh*t if some of the witnesses accounts varied slightly (as is the case with anything of this nature as due to the heat of moment people remember and forget different things happening).

Look just stop trying to justify yourself when you are clearly just trying to wind up everyone. What next from you? Hitler was a myth? 9/11 never happened, Dianna was killed by MI5, Elvis is alive

You just talk plain and simple sh*t and should go away quietly before someone comes looking for you
So I should feel threatened if I don't go along with the story is that what you're saying? Who exactly should I feel threatened by? How many times were "The Killers" shot?
http://youtu.be/7JDe
ANepjCc
[quote][p][bold]Andy2010[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]RollandSmoke[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Andy2010[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]RollandSmoke[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Andy2010[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Andy2010[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]RollandSmoke[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Andy2010[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]RollandSmoke[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Tinybantam[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]tinytoonster[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]RollandSmoke[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Alhaurinrhino[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]RollandSmoke[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Alhaurinrhino[/bold] wrote: They're not poor, they're lazy feckless breeders who think it's OK to rape the benefit system for all it's worth...... Well not any more matey :)[/p][/quote]Let me guess you don't have children and if you did you would never have claimed the child benefit that up until recently wasn't means tested and which a couple earning £80k a year can still claim. PLEASE TELL ME YOU DON'T HAVE CHILDREN.[/p][/quote]Actually I've got one child and another on the way :)). I recently moved into a four bedroom house because of my family, and guess what...I can afford it because I go out to work and have started a family now because I can afford them, unlike the feckless spongers who expect ME and other hardworking folk to provide for them as well as paying for our own. Given the chance I wouldn't mind having a child with the lovely Ms McVey as well.....very tasty ;)[/p][/quote]So you wont be claiming child benefit then or do you see it as an entitlement?[/p][/quote]he should be entitled, he pays taxes!! its people like you who think they are entitled to everything. the evil tories make the unliked but necessary decisions and then when labour come in they wont change it. so do not give me your codswallop speeches. who made up the wmd stories to get into iraq? who invaded afghanistan? mr blair and brown! easily forget that though because it does not suit your tory conspiracy theory![/p][/quote]Spot on comment........I notice no comeback.........cou ld it be you have actually shut him up for once, with his anti-tory ramblings?[/p][/quote]Don't be stupid you have barely got it in you to shut a door let alone shut me up. As for Tinytoonbrain's comments (they're really bringing out the big guns now lol) We all pay tax you muppet. Council tax, VAT on our purchases ect. What I think you meant is that he pays income tax which suggests he has an income. There are a lot of people out there who would love an income that they could pay tax on but reducing their ability to survive for however long it takes for the jobs to become available reduces the fitness for work of that person as well as their employ-ability. Not only that it reduces the life chances of any children that might be in their care thus creating problems with the next generation of workers too. You obviously haven't grasped that I'm not a big fan of Labour either. You are correct in that we were tricked into going into war with Iraq and Afghanistan however knowing this hasn't taught us any lessons it would seem. We still haven't pulled out of Afghanistan 4 years into this government. Your argument seem to be that Labour tricked us into a war so why shouldn't the Tories be allowed to do the same? Is that what you are saying?[/p][/quote]Your comments on Lee Rigby earlier in the other thread just compounded the fact that everything you say is simply complete and utter bull Police turned up yet ? Sick b*****d[/p][/quote]Whilst I would love to explain the laws of physics to you Andy I really can't be bothered. I believe you'll find that the comments that I was referring to were of Ingrid who's vantage point I think you'd have to agree was much closer and for a much longer period of time than either yours or mine. Although I did refer to Boyadee's comments as well as they are totally inaccurate. Do you dispute this?[/p][/quote]No I prefer a colleague of mine who witnessed the whole thing and gave evidence at the trial. She is also receiving counselling for what she witnessed So no I would prefer to believe the truth not some rubbish that was read on the internet or your pot induced paranoid mind came up with. Please politely just f off and give us all a break[/p][/quote]Also don't worry about responding. You can explain your postings to the police. Let them decide[/p][/quote]Please by all means report me to the police. If they are confident in the story they have been told they can come arrest me, I will explain to them the facts and then I will take action for false arrest. We still have some freedom of speech left in this country. I am not obliged to believe media lies and I will speak out when I see them.[/p][/quote]Just do us all a favour and f off will ya What you have said is quite frankly disgusting both the the memory of Lee Rigby and his family not to mention the rest of the UK. I sincerely hope some squadies are reading this and choose to show you what is it to be "hard" rather than the little pathetic keyboard warrior you are. Its one thing to bang on about Tories, conspirators and whatever else but to openly state that the killing of Lee Rigby never happened and the whole of the UK was hoodwinked is insulting to everyone. No your not obliged to believe media but how can you deny the video evidence, photo evidence, forensic evidence, witness evidence...hell even the killers admitting it but dont let that take anything away from your stupid ideas will you I honestly thought you were just some sort of little troll who came on here because they had no life but you have just proved you are clearly more that and in fact a disgusting piece of scum.[/p][/quote]Was Lee Rigby beheaded yes or no? If not why did boyadee claim to have witnessed "a man with his head chopped off right in front of his eyes"? Why did he claim they had "machetes" and why did he claim that one man "blew his finger off" firing a gun that was neither loaded or operational? Why when the gun was a blue six shot revolver did Graham Wilder tell reporters “Next minute urm he’s pulled the gun out from behind the back of him, black handgun which takes 12 to 15 rounds, and he’s just shot off. And then I walk back because I’ve seen the handgun and like cos I knew what the handgun looked like.”? In your own time now.[/p][/quote]Who cares. Fact is he was murdered, they were caught at the scene, they admitted and they were sentenced as guilty.....that's the simple end of it. Whos give a flying sh*t if some of the witnesses accounts varied slightly (as is the case with anything of this nature as due to the heat of moment people remember and forget different things happening). Look just stop trying to justify yourself when you are clearly just trying to wind up everyone. What next from you? Hitler was a myth? 9/11 never happened, Dianna was killed by MI5, Elvis is alive You just talk plain and simple sh*t and should go away quietly before someone comes looking for you[/p][/quote]So I should feel threatened if I don't go along with the story is that what you're saying? Who exactly should I feel threatened by? How many times were "The Killers" shot? http://youtu.be/7JDe ANepjCc RollandSmoke
  • Score: -1

4:29pm Wed 2 Apr 14

Andy2010 says...

RollandSmoke wrote:
Andy2010 wrote:
RollandSmoke wrote:
Andy2010 wrote:
RollandSmoke wrote:
Andy2010 wrote:
Andy2010 wrote:
RollandSmoke wrote:
Andy2010 wrote:
RollandSmoke wrote:
Tinybantam wrote:
tinytoonster wrote:
RollandSmoke wrote:
Alhaurinrhino wrote:
RollandSmoke wrote:
Alhaurinrhino wrote:
They're not poor, they're lazy feckless breeders who think it's OK to rape the benefit system for all it's worth......
Well not any more matey :)
Let me guess you don't have children and if you did you would never have claimed the child benefit that up until recently wasn't means tested and which a couple earning £80k a year can still claim. PLEASE TELL ME YOU DON'T HAVE CHILDREN.
Actually I've got one child and another on the way :)). I recently moved into a four bedroom house because of my family, and guess what...I can afford it because I go out to work and have started a family now because I can afford them, unlike the feckless spongers who expect ME and other hardworking folk to provide for them as well as paying for our own.
Given the chance I wouldn't mind having a child with the lovely Ms McVey as well.....very tasty ;)
So you wont be claiming child benefit then or do you see it as an entitlement?
he should be entitled, he pays taxes!!
its people like you who think they are entitled to everything.
the evil tories make the unliked but necessary decisions and then when labour come in they wont change it.
so do not give me your codswallop speeches.
who made up the wmd stories to get into iraq?
who invaded afghanistan?
mr blair and brown!
easily forget that though because it does not suit your tory conspiracy theory!
Spot on comment........I notice no comeback.........cou











ld it be you have actually shut him up for once, with his anti-tory ramblings?
Don't be stupid you have barely got it in you to shut a door let alone shut me up. As for Tinytoonbrain's comments (they're really bringing out the big guns now lol) We all pay tax you muppet. Council tax, VAT on our purchases ect. What I think you meant is that he pays income tax which suggests he has an income. There are a lot of people out there who would love an income that they could pay tax on but reducing their ability to survive for however long it takes for the jobs to become available reduces the fitness for work of that person as well as their employ-ability. Not only that it reduces the life chances of any children that might be in their care thus creating problems with the next generation of workers too. You obviously haven't grasped that I'm not a big fan of Labour either. You are correct in that we were tricked into going into war with Iraq and Afghanistan however knowing this hasn't taught us any lessons it would seem. We still haven't pulled out of Afghanistan 4 years into this government. Your argument seem to be that Labour tricked us into a war so why shouldn't the Tories be allowed to do the same? Is that what you are saying?
Your comments on Lee Rigby earlier in the other thread just compounded the fact that everything you say is simply complete and utter bull

Police turned up yet ?

Sick b*****d
Whilst I would love to explain the laws of physics to you Andy I really can't be bothered. I believe you'll find that the comments that I was referring to were of Ingrid who's vantage point I think you'd have to agree was much closer and for a much longer period of time than either yours or mine. Although I did refer to Boyadee's comments as well as they are totally inaccurate. Do you dispute this?
No I prefer a colleague of mine who witnessed the whole thing and gave evidence at the trial. She is also receiving counselling for what she witnessed

So no I would prefer to believe the truth not some rubbish that was read on the internet or your pot induced paranoid mind came up with.

Please politely just f off and give us all a break
Also don't worry about responding. You can explain your postings to the police. Let them decide
Please by all means report me to the police. If they are confident in the story they have been told they can come arrest me, I will explain to them the facts and then I will take action for false arrest. We still have some freedom of speech left in this country. I am not obliged to believe media lies and I will speak out when I see them.
Just do us all a favour and f off will ya

What you have said is quite frankly disgusting both the the memory of Lee Rigby and his family not to mention the rest of the UK.

I sincerely hope some squadies are reading this and choose to show you what is it to be "hard" rather than the little pathetic keyboard warrior you are.

Its one thing to bang on about Tories, conspirators and whatever else but to openly state that the killing of Lee Rigby never happened and the whole of the UK was hoodwinked is insulting to everyone. No your not obliged to believe media but how can you deny the video evidence, photo evidence, forensic evidence, witness evidence...hell even the killers admitting it but dont let that take anything away from your stupid ideas will you

I honestly thought you were just some sort of little troll who came on here because they had no life but you have just proved you are clearly more that and in fact a disgusting piece of scum.
Was Lee Rigby beheaded yes or no? If not why did boyadee claim to have witnessed "a man with his head chopped off right in front of his eyes"? Why did he claim they had "machetes" and why did he claim that one man "blew his finger off" firing a gun that was neither loaded or operational? Why when the gun was a blue six shot revolver did Graham Wilder tell reporters “Next minute urm he’s pulled the gun out from behind the back of him, black handgun which takes 12 to 15 rounds, and he’s just shot off. And then I walk back because I’ve seen the handgun and like cos I knew what the handgun looked like.”? In your own time now.
Who cares.

Fact is he was murdered, they were caught at the scene, they admitted and they were sentenced as guilty.....that's the simple end of it.

Whos give a flying sh*t if some of the witnesses accounts varied slightly (as is the case with anything of this nature as due to the heat of moment people remember and forget different things happening).

Look just stop trying to justify yourself when you are clearly just trying to wind up everyone. What next from you? Hitler was a myth? 9/11 never happened, Dianna was killed by MI5, Elvis is alive

You just talk plain and simple sh*t and should go away quietly before someone comes looking for you
So I should feel threatened if I don't go along with the story is that what you're saying? Who exactly should I feel threatened by? How many times were "The Killers" shot?
http://youtu.be/7JDe

ANepjCc
Not going to even watch that but my simple answer would be not enough. They should have filled every inch of their bodies with bullets but then again they would have got what they wanted so there was some saving grace in just stopping them in their tracks.

Of course none of this happened in your head did it...fool
[quote][p][bold]RollandSmoke[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Andy2010[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]RollandSmoke[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Andy2010[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]RollandSmoke[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Andy2010[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Andy2010[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]RollandSmoke[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Andy2010[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]RollandSmoke[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Tinybantam[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]tinytoonster[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]RollandSmoke[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Alhaurinrhino[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]RollandSmoke[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Alhaurinrhino[/bold] wrote: They're not poor, they're lazy feckless breeders who think it's OK to rape the benefit system for all it's worth...... Well not any more matey :)[/p][/quote]Let me guess you don't have children and if you did you would never have claimed the child benefit that up until recently wasn't means tested and which a couple earning £80k a year can still claim. PLEASE TELL ME YOU DON'T HAVE CHILDREN.[/p][/quote]Actually I've got one child and another on the way :)). I recently moved into a four bedroom house because of my family, and guess what...I can afford it because I go out to work and have started a family now because I can afford them, unlike the feckless spongers who expect ME and other hardworking folk to provide for them as well as paying for our own. Given the chance I wouldn't mind having a child with the lovely Ms McVey as well.....very tasty ;)[/p][/quote]So you wont be claiming child benefit then or do you see it as an entitlement?[/p][/quote]he should be entitled, he pays taxes!! its people like you who think they are entitled to everything. the evil tories make the unliked but necessary decisions and then when labour come in they wont change it. so do not give me your codswallop speeches. who made up the wmd stories to get into iraq? who invaded afghanistan? mr blair and brown! easily forget that though because it does not suit your tory conspiracy theory![/p][/quote]Spot on comment........I notice no comeback.........cou ld it be you have actually shut him up for once, with his anti-tory ramblings?[/p][/quote]Don't be stupid you have barely got it in you to shut a door let alone shut me up. As for Tinytoonbrain's comments (they're really bringing out the big guns now lol) We all pay tax you muppet. Council tax, VAT on our purchases ect. What I think you meant is that he pays income tax which suggests he has an income. There are a lot of people out there who would love an income that they could pay tax on but reducing their ability to survive for however long it takes for the jobs to become available reduces the fitness for work of that person as well as their employ-ability. Not only that it reduces the life chances of any children that might be in their care thus creating problems with the next generation of workers too. You obviously haven't grasped that I'm not a big fan of Labour either. You are correct in that we were tricked into going into war with Iraq and Afghanistan however knowing this hasn't taught us any lessons it would seem. We still haven't pulled out of Afghanistan 4 years into this government. Your argument seem to be that Labour tricked us into a war so why shouldn't the Tories be allowed to do the same? Is that what you are saying?[/p][/quote]Your comments on Lee Rigby earlier in the other thread just compounded the fact that everything you say is simply complete and utter bull Police turned up yet ? Sick b*****d[/p][/quote]Whilst I would love to explain the laws of physics to you Andy I really can't be bothered. I believe you'll find that the comments that I was referring to were of Ingrid who's vantage point I think you'd have to agree was much closer and for a much longer period of time than either yours or mine. Although I did refer to Boyadee's comments as well as they are totally inaccurate. Do you dispute this?[/p][/quote]No I prefer a colleague of mine who witnessed the whole thing and gave evidence at the trial. She is also receiving counselling for what she witnessed So no I would prefer to believe the truth not some rubbish that was read on the internet or your pot induced paranoid mind came up with. Please politely just f off and give us all a break[/p][/quote]Also don't worry about responding. You can explain your postings to the police. Let them decide[/p][/quote]Please by all means report me to the police. If they are confident in the story they have been told they can come arrest me, I will explain to them the facts and then I will take action for false arrest. We still have some freedom of speech left in this country. I am not obliged to believe media lies and I will speak out when I see them.[/p][/quote]Just do us all a favour and f off will ya What you have said is quite frankly disgusting both the the memory of Lee Rigby and his family not to mention the rest of the UK. I sincerely hope some squadies are reading this and choose to show you what is it to be "hard" rather than the little pathetic keyboard warrior you are. Its one thing to bang on about Tories, conspirators and whatever else but to openly state that the killing of Lee Rigby never happened and the whole of the UK was hoodwinked is insulting to everyone. No your not obliged to believe media but how can you deny the video evidence, photo evidence, forensic evidence, witness evidence...hell even the killers admitting it but dont let that take anything away from your stupid ideas will you I honestly thought you were just some sort of little troll who came on here because they had no life but you have just proved you are clearly more that and in fact a disgusting piece of scum.[/p][/quote]Was Lee Rigby beheaded yes or no? If not why did boyadee claim to have witnessed "a man with his head chopped off right in front of his eyes"? Why did he claim they had "machetes" and why did he claim that one man "blew his finger off" firing a gun that was neither loaded or operational? Why when the gun was a blue six shot revolver did Graham Wilder tell reporters “Next minute urm he’s pulled the gun out from behind the back of him, black handgun which takes 12 to 15 rounds, and he’s just shot off. And then I walk back because I’ve seen the handgun and like cos I knew what the handgun looked like.”? In your own time now.[/p][/quote]Who cares. Fact is he was murdered, they were caught at the scene, they admitted and they were sentenced as guilty.....that's the simple end of it. Whos give a flying sh*t if some of the witnesses accounts varied slightly (as is the case with anything of this nature as due to the heat of moment people remember and forget different things happening). Look just stop trying to justify yourself when you are clearly just trying to wind up everyone. What next from you? Hitler was a myth? 9/11 never happened, Dianna was killed by MI5, Elvis is alive You just talk plain and simple sh*t and should go away quietly before someone comes looking for you[/p][/quote]So I should feel threatened if I don't go along with the story is that what you're saying? Who exactly should I feel threatened by? How many times were "The Killers" shot? http://youtu.be/7JDe ANepjCc[/p][/quote]Not going to even watch that but my simple answer would be not enough. They should have filled every inch of their bodies with bullets but then again they would have got what they wanted so there was some saving grace in just stopping them in their tracks. Of course none of this happened in your head did it...fool Andy2010
  • Score: 1

4:35pm Wed 2 Apr 14

RollandSmoke says...

Andy2010 wrote:
RollandSmoke wrote:
Andy2010 wrote:
RollandSmoke wrote:
Andy2010 wrote:
RollandSmoke wrote:
Andy2010 wrote:
Andy2010 wrote:
RollandSmoke wrote:
Andy2010 wrote:
RollandSmoke wrote:
Tinybantam wrote:
tinytoonster wrote:
RollandSmoke wrote:
Alhaurinrhino wrote:
RollandSmoke wrote:
Alhaurinrhino wrote:
They're not poor, they're lazy feckless breeders who think it's OK to rape the benefit system for all it's worth......
Well not any more matey :)
Let me guess you don't have children and if you did you would never have claimed the child benefit that up until recently wasn't means tested and which a couple earning £80k a year can still claim. PLEASE TELL ME YOU DON'T HAVE CHILDREN.
Actually I've got one child and another on the way :)). I recently moved into a four bedroom house because of my family, and guess what...I can afford it because I go out to work and have started a family now because I can afford them, unlike the feckless spongers who expect ME and other hardworking folk to provide for them as well as paying for our own.
Given the chance I wouldn't mind having a child with the lovely Ms McVey as well.....very tasty ;)
So you wont be claiming child benefit then or do you see it as an entitlement?
he should be entitled, he pays taxes!!
its people like you who think they are entitled to everything.
the evil tories make the unliked but necessary decisions and then when labour come in they wont change it.
so do not give me your codswallop speeches.
who made up the wmd stories to get into iraq?
who invaded afghanistan?
mr blair and brown!
easily forget that though because it does not suit your tory conspiracy theory!
Spot on comment........I notice no comeback.........cou












ld it be you have actually shut him up for once, with his anti-tory ramblings?
Don't be stupid you have barely got it in you to shut a door let alone shut me up. As for Tinytoonbrain's comments (they're really bringing out the big guns now lol) We all pay tax you muppet. Council tax, VAT on our purchases ect. What I think you meant is that he pays income tax which suggests he has an income. There are a lot of people out there who would love an income that they could pay tax on but reducing their ability to survive for however long it takes for the jobs to become available reduces the fitness for work of that person as well as their employ-ability. Not only that it reduces the life chances of any children that might be in their care thus creating problems with the next generation of workers too. You obviously haven't grasped that I'm not a big fan of Labour either. You are correct in that we were tricked into going into war with Iraq and Afghanistan however knowing this hasn't taught us any lessons it would seem. We still haven't pulled out of Afghanistan 4 years into this government. Your argument seem to be that Labour tricked us into a war so why shouldn't the Tories be allowed to do the same? Is that what you are saying?
Your comments on Lee Rigby earlier in the other thread just compounded the fact that everything you say is simply complete and utter bull

Police turned up yet ?

Sick b*****d
Whilst I would love to explain the laws of physics to you Andy I really can't be bothered. I believe you'll find that the comments that I was referring to were of Ingrid who's vantage point I think you'd have to agree was much closer and for a much longer period of time than either yours or mine. Although I did refer to Boyadee's comments as well as they are totally inaccurate. Do you dispute this?
No I prefer a colleague of mine who witnessed the whole thing and gave evidence at the trial. She is also receiving counselling for what she witnessed

So no I would prefer to believe the truth not some rubbish that was read on the internet or your pot induced paranoid mind came up with.

Please politely just f off and give us all a break
Also don't worry about responding. You can explain your postings to the police. Let them decide
Please by all means report me to the police. If they are confident in the story they have been told they can come arrest me, I will explain to them the facts and then I will take action for false arrest. We still have some freedom of speech left in this country. I am not obliged to believe media lies and I will speak out when I see them.
Just do us all a favour and f off will ya

What you have said is quite frankly disgusting both the the memory of Lee Rigby and his family not to mention the rest of the UK.

I sincerely hope some squadies are reading this and choose to show you what is it to be "hard" rather than the little pathetic keyboard warrior you are.

Its one thing to bang on about Tories, conspirators and whatever else but to openly state that the killing of Lee Rigby never happened and the whole of the UK was hoodwinked is insulting to everyone. No your not obliged to believe media but how can you deny the video evidence, photo evidence, forensic evidence, witness evidence...hell even the killers admitting it but dont let that take anything away from your stupid ideas will you

I honestly thought you were just some sort of little troll who came on here because they had no life but you have just proved you are clearly more that and in fact a disgusting piece of scum.
Was Lee Rigby beheaded yes or no? If not why did boyadee claim to have witnessed "a man with his head chopped off right in front of his eyes"? Why did he claim they had "machetes" and why did he claim that one man "blew his finger off" firing a gun that was neither loaded or operational? Why when the gun was a blue six shot revolver did Graham Wilder tell reporters “Next minute urm he’s pulled the gun out from behind the back of him, black handgun which takes 12 to 15 rounds, and he’s just shot off. And then I walk back because I’ve seen the handgun and like cos I knew what the handgun looked like.”? In your own time now.
Who cares.

Fact is he was murdered, they were caught at the scene, they admitted and they were sentenced as guilty.....that's the simple end of it.

Whos give a flying sh*t if some of the witnesses accounts varied slightly (as is the case with anything of this nature as due to the heat of moment people remember and forget different things happening).

Look just stop trying to justify yourself when you are clearly just trying to wind up everyone. What next from you? Hitler was a myth? 9/11 never happened, Dianna was killed by MI5, Elvis is alive

You just talk plain and simple sh*t and should go away quietly before someone comes looking for you
So I should feel threatened if I don't go along with the story is that what you're saying? Who exactly should I feel threatened by? How many times were "The Killers" shot?
http://youtu.be/7JDe


ANepjCc
Not going to even watch that but my simple answer would be not enough. They should have filled every inch of their bodies with bullets but then again they would have got what they wanted so there was some saving grace in just stopping them in their tracks.

Of course none of this happened in your head did it...fool
Well certainly not enough to cause a single drop of blood to be visible on the ground where they were shot after they were removed from the scene. Is that usual when police issue firearms are used repeatedly on someone?
[quote][p][bold]Andy2010[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]RollandSmoke[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Andy2010[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]RollandSmoke[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Andy2010[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]RollandSmoke[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Andy2010[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Andy2010[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]RollandSmoke[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Andy2010[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]RollandSmoke[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Tinybantam[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]tinytoonster[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]RollandSmoke[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Alhaurinrhino[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]RollandSmoke[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Alhaurinrhino[/bold] wrote: They're not poor, they're lazy feckless breeders who think it's OK to rape the benefit system for all it's worth...... Well not any more matey :)[/p][/quote]Let me guess you don't have children and if you did you would never have claimed the child benefit that up until recently wasn't means tested and which a couple earning £80k a year can still claim. PLEASE TELL ME YOU DON'T HAVE CHILDREN.[/p][/quote]Actually I've got one child and another on the way :)). I recently moved into a four bedroom house because of my family, and guess what...I can afford it because I go out to work and have started a family now because I can afford them, unlike the feckless spongers who expect ME and other hardworking folk to provide for them as well as paying for our own. Given the chance I wouldn't mind having a child with the lovely Ms McVey as well.....very tasty ;)[/p][/quote]So you wont be claiming child benefit then or do you see it as an entitlement?[/p][/quote]he should be entitled, he pays taxes!! its people like you who think they are entitled to everything. the evil tories make the unliked but necessary decisions and then when labour come in they wont change it. so do not give me your codswallop speeches. who made up the wmd stories to get into iraq? who invaded afghanistan? mr blair and brown! easily forget that though because it does not suit your tory conspiracy theory![/p][/quote]Spot on comment........I notice no comeback.........cou ld it be you have actually shut him up for once, with his anti-tory ramblings?[/p][/quote]Don't be stupid you have barely got it in you to shut a door let alone shut me up. As for Tinytoonbrain's comments (they're really bringing out the big guns now lol) We all pay tax you muppet. Council tax, VAT on our purchases ect. What I think you meant is that he pays income tax which suggests he has an income. There are a lot of people out there who would love an income that they could pay tax on but reducing their ability to survive for however long it takes for the jobs to become available reduces the fitness for work of that person as well as their employ-ability. Not only that it reduces the life chances of any children that might be in their care thus creating problems with the next generation of workers too. You obviously haven't grasped that I'm not a big fan of Labour either. You are correct in that we were tricked into going into war with Iraq and Afghanistan however knowing this hasn't taught us any lessons it would seem. We still haven't pulled out of Afghanistan 4 years into this government. Your argument seem to be that Labour tricked us into a war so why shouldn't the Tories be allowed to do the same? Is that what you are saying?[/p][/quote]Your comments on Lee Rigby earlier in the other thread just compounded the fact that everything you say is simply complete and utter bull Police turned up yet ? Sick b*****d[/p][/quote]Whilst I would love to explain the laws of physics to you Andy I really can't be bothered. I believe you'll find that the comments that I was referring to were of Ingrid who's vantage point I think you'd have to agree was much closer and for a much longer period of time than either yours or mine. Although I did refer to Boyadee's comments as well as they are totally inaccurate. Do you dispute this?[/p][/quote]No I prefer a colleague of mine who witnessed the whole thing and gave evidence at the trial. She is also receiving counselling for what she witnessed So no I would prefer to believe the truth not some rubbish that was read on the internet or your pot induced paranoid mind came up with. Please politely just f off and give us all a break[/p][/quote]Also don't worry about responding. You can explain your postings to the police. Let them decide[/p][/quote]Please by all means report me to the police. If they are confident in the story they have been told they can come arrest me, I will explain to them the facts and then I will take action for false arrest. We still have some freedom of speech left in this country. I am not obliged to believe media lies and I will speak out when I see them.[/p][/quote]Just do us all a favour and f off will ya What you have said is quite frankly disgusting both the the memory of Lee Rigby and his family not to mention the rest of the UK. I sincerely hope some squadies are reading this and choose to show you what is it to be "hard" rather than the little pathetic keyboard warrior you are. Its one thing to bang on about Tories, conspirators and whatever else but to openly state that the killing of Lee Rigby never happened and the whole of the UK was hoodwinked is insulting to everyone. No your not obliged to believe media but how can you deny the video evidence, photo evidence, forensic evidence, witness evidence...hell even the killers admitting it but dont let that take anything away from your stupid ideas will you I honestly thought you were just some sort of little troll who came on here because they had no life but you have just proved you are clearly more that and in fact a disgusting piece of scum.[/p][/quote]Was Lee Rigby beheaded yes or no? If not why did boyadee claim to have witnessed "a man with his head chopped off right in front of his eyes"? Why did he claim they had "machetes" and why did he claim that one man "blew his finger off" firing a gun that was neither loaded or operational? Why when the gun was a blue six shot revolver did Graham Wilder tell reporters “Next minute urm he’s pulled the gun out from behind the back of him, black handgun which takes 12 to 15 rounds, and he’s just shot off. And then I walk back because I’ve seen the handgun and like cos I knew what the handgun looked like.”? In your own time now.[/p][/quote]Who cares. Fact is he was murdered, they were caught at the scene, they admitted and they were sentenced as guilty.....that's the simple end of it. Whos give a flying sh*t if some of the witnesses accounts varied slightly (as is the case with anything of this nature as due to the heat of moment people remember and forget different things happening). Look just stop trying to justify yourself when you are clearly just trying to wind up everyone. What next from you? Hitler was a myth? 9/11 never happened, Dianna was killed by MI5, Elvis is alive You just talk plain and simple sh*t and should go away quietly before someone comes looking for you[/p][/quote]So I should feel threatened if I don't go along with the story is that what you're saying? Who exactly should I feel threatened by? How many times were "The Killers" shot? http://youtu.be/7JDe ANepjCc[/p][/quote]Not going to even watch that but my simple answer would be not enough. They should have filled every inch of their bodies with bullets but then again they would have got what they wanted so there was some saving grace in just stopping them in their tracks. Of course none of this happened in your head did it...fool[/p][/quote]Well certainly not enough to cause a single drop of blood to be visible on the ground where they were shot after they were removed from the scene. Is that usual when police issue firearms are used repeatedly on someone? RollandSmoke
  • Score: -2

4:47pm Wed 2 Apr 14

Andy2010 says...

RollandSmoke wrote:
Andy2010 wrote:
RollandSmoke wrote:
Andy2010 wrote:
RollandSmoke wrote:
Andy2010 wrote:
RollandSmoke wrote:
Andy2010 wrote:
Andy2010 wrote:
RollandSmoke wrote:
Andy2010 wrote:
RollandSmoke wrote:
Tinybantam wrote:
tinytoonster wrote:
RollandSmoke wrote:
Alhaurinrhino wrote:
RollandSmoke wrote:
Alhaurinrhino wrote:
They're not poor, they're lazy feckless breeders who think it's OK to rape the benefit system for all it's worth......
Well not any more matey :)
Let me guess you don't have children and if you did you would never have claimed the child benefit that up until recently wasn't means tested and which a couple earning £80k a year can still claim. PLEASE TELL ME YOU DON'T HAVE CHILDREN.
Actually I've got one child and another on the way :)). I recently moved into a four bedroom house because of my family, and guess what...I can afford it because I go out to work and have started a family now because I can afford them, unlike the feckless spongers who expect ME and other hardworking folk to provide for them as well as paying for our own.
Given the chance I wouldn't mind having a child with the lovely Ms McVey as well.....very tasty ;)
So you wont be claiming child benefit then or do you see it as an entitlement?
he should be entitled, he pays taxes!!
its people like you who think they are entitled to everything.
the evil tories make the unliked but necessary decisions and then when labour come in they wont change it.
so do not give me your codswallop speeches.
who made up the wmd stories to get into iraq?
who invaded afghanistan?
mr blair and brown!
easily forget that though because it does not suit your tory conspiracy theory!
Spot on comment........I notice no comeback.........cou













ld it be you have actually shut him up for once, with his anti-tory ramblings?
Don't be stupid you have barely got it in you to shut a door let alone shut me up. As for Tinytoonbrain's comments (they're really bringing out the big guns now lol) We all pay tax you muppet. Council tax, VAT on our purchases ect. What I think you meant is that he pays income tax which suggests he has an income. There are a lot of people out there who would love an income that they could pay tax on but reducing their ability to survive for however long it takes for the jobs to become available reduces the fitness for work of that person as well as their employ-ability. Not only that it reduces the life chances of any children that might be in their care thus creating problems with the next generation of workers too. You obviously haven't grasped that I'm not a big fan of Labour either. You are correct in that we were tricked into going into war with Iraq and Afghanistan however knowing this hasn't taught us any lessons it would seem. We still haven't pulled out of Afghanistan 4 years into this government. Your argument seem to be that Labour tricked us into a war so why shouldn't the Tories be allowed to do the same? Is that what you are saying?
Your comments on Lee Rigby earlier in the other thread just compounded the fact that everything you say is simply complete and utter bull

Police turned up yet ?

Sick b*****d
Whilst I would love to explain the laws of physics to you Andy I really can't be bothered. I believe you'll find that the comments that I was referring to were of Ingrid who's vantage point I think you'd have to agree was much closer and for a much longer period of time than either yours or mine. Although I did refer to Boyadee's comments as well as they are totally inaccurate. Do you dispute this?
No I prefer a colleague of mine who witnessed the whole thing and gave evidence at the trial. She is also receiving counselling for what she witnessed

So no I would prefer to believe the truth not some rubbish that was read on the internet or your pot induced paranoid mind came up with.

Please politely just f off and give us all a break
Also don't worry about responding. You can explain your postings to the police. Let them decide
Please by all means report me to the police. If they are confident in the story they have been told they can come arrest me, I will explain to them the facts and then I will take action for false arrest. We still have some freedom of speech left in this country. I am not obliged to believe media lies and I will speak out when I see them.
Just do us all a favour and f off will ya

What you have said is quite frankly disgusting both the the memory of Lee Rigby and his family not to mention the rest of the UK.

I sincerely hope some squadies are reading this and choose to show you what is it to be "hard" rather than the little pathetic keyboard warrior you are.

Its one thing to bang on about Tories, conspirators and whatever else but to openly state that the killing of Lee Rigby never happened and the whole of the UK was hoodwinked is insulting to everyone. No your not obliged to believe media but how can you deny the video evidence, photo evidence, forensic evidence, witness evidence...hell even the killers admitting it but dont let that take anything away from your stupid ideas will you

I honestly thought you were just some sort of little troll who came on here because they had no life but you have just proved you are clearly more that and in fact a disgusting piece of scum.
Was Lee Rigby beheaded yes or no? If not why did boyadee claim to have witnessed "a man with his head chopped off right in front of his eyes"? Why did he claim they had "machetes" and why did he claim that one man "blew his finger off" firing a gun that was neither loaded or operational? Why when the gun was a blue six shot revolver did Graham Wilder tell reporters “Next minute urm he’s pulled the gun out from behind the back of him, black handgun which takes 12 to 15 rounds, and he’s just shot off. And then I walk back because I’ve seen the handgun and like cos I knew what the handgun looked like.”? In your own time now.
Who cares.

Fact is he was murdered, they were caught at the scene, they admitted and they were sentenced as guilty.....that's the simple end of it.

Whos give a flying sh*t if some of the witnesses accounts varied slightly (as is the case with anything of this nature as due to the heat of moment people remember and forget different things happening).

Look just stop trying to justify yourself when you are clearly just trying to wind up everyone. What next from you? Hitler was a myth? 9/11 never happened, Dianna was killed by MI5, Elvis is alive

You just talk plain and simple sh*t and should go away quietly before someone comes looking for you
So I should feel threatened if I don't go along with the story is that what you're saying? Who exactly should I feel threatened by? How many times were "The Killers" shot?
http://youtu.be/7JDe



ANepjCc
Not going to even watch that but my simple answer would be not enough. They should have filled every inch of their bodies with bullets but then again they would have got what they wanted so there was some saving grace in just stopping them in their tracks.

Of course none of this happened in your head did it...fool
Well certainly not enough to cause a single drop of blood to be visible on the ground where they were shot after they were removed from the scene. Is that usual when police issue firearms are used repeatedly on someone?
OK then d*ckhead

Enlighten us where its states the defence of these two brought this matter to the prosecutions attention.

SURELY they must have as you claim this never happened the defence teams would have tore the prosecution to bits.

Maybe its just you are far superior to the brightest QC's in this country and if should have been you defending them. You could have got them off with your internet copy and pasted rubbish.

Anyway not going to entertain you anymore. You have shown your true colours here but be rest assured old Rollie everytime you post on here I'm going to remind other posters of your comments here.
[quote][p][bold]RollandSmoke[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Andy2010[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]RollandSmoke[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Andy2010[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]RollandSmoke[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Andy2010[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]RollandSmoke[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Andy2010[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Andy2010[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]RollandSmoke[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Andy2010[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]RollandSmoke[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Tinybantam[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]tinytoonster[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]RollandSmoke[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Alhaurinrhino[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]RollandSmoke[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Alhaurinrhino[/bold] wrote: They're not poor, they're lazy feckless breeders who think it's OK to rape the benefit system for all it's worth...... Well not any more matey :)[/p][/quote]Let me guess you don't have children and if you did you would never have claimed the child benefit that up until recently wasn't means tested and which a couple earning £80k a year can still claim. PLEASE TELL ME YOU DON'T HAVE CHILDREN.[/p][/quote]Actually I've got one child and another on the way :)). I recently moved into a four bedroom house because of my family, and guess what...I can afford it because I go out to work and have started a family now because I can afford them, unlike the feckless spongers who expect ME and other hardworking folk to provide for them as well as paying for our own. Given the chance I wouldn't mind having a child with the lovely Ms McVey as well.....very tasty ;)[/p][/quote]So you wont be claiming child benefit then or do you see it as an entitlement?[/p][/quote]he should be entitled, he pays taxes!! its people like you who think they are entitled to everything. the evil tories make the unliked but necessary decisions and then when labour come in they wont change it. so do not give me your codswallop speeches. who made up the wmd stories to get into iraq? who invaded afghanistan? mr blair and brown! easily forget that though because it does not suit your tory conspiracy theory![/p][/quote]Spot on comment........I notice no comeback.........cou ld it be you have actually shut him up for once, with his anti-tory ramblings?[/p][/quote]Don't be stupid you have barely got it in you to shut a door let alone shut me up. As for Tinytoonbrain's comments (they're really bringing out the big guns now lol) We all pay tax you muppet. Council tax, VAT on our purchases ect. What I think you meant is that he pays income tax which suggests he has an income. There are a lot of people out there who would love an income that they could pay tax on but reducing their ability to survive for however long it takes for the jobs to become available reduces the fitness for work of that person as well as their employ-ability. Not only that it reduces the life chances of any children that might be in their care thus creating problems with the next generation of workers too. You obviously haven't grasped that I'm not a big fan of Labour either. You are correct in that we were tricked into going into war with Iraq and Afghanistan however knowing this hasn't taught us any lessons it would seem. We still haven't pulled out of Afghanistan 4 years into this government. Your argument seem to be that Labour tricked us into a war so why shouldn't the Tories be allowed to do the same? Is that what you are saying?[/p][/quote]Your comments on Lee Rigby earlier in the other thread just compounded the fact that everything you say is simply complete and utter bull Police turned up yet ? Sick b*****d[/p][/quote]Whilst I would love to explain the laws of physics to you Andy I really can't be bothered. I believe you'll find that the comments that I was referring to were of Ingrid who's vantage point I think you'd have to agree was much closer and for a much longer period of time than either yours or mine. Although I did refer to Boyadee's comments as well as they are totally inaccurate. Do you dispute this?[/p][/quote]No I prefer a colleague of mine who witnessed the whole thing and gave evidence at the trial. She is also receiving counselling for what she witnessed So no I would prefer to believe the truth not some rubbish that was read on the internet or your pot induced paranoid mind came up with. Please politely just f off and give us all a break[/p][/quote]Also don't worry about responding. You can explain your postings to the police. Let them decide[/p][/quote]Please by all means report me to the police. If they are confident in the story they have been told they can come arrest me, I will explain to them the facts and then I will take action for false arrest. We still have some freedom of speech left in this country. I am not obliged to believe media lies and I will speak out when I see them.[/p][/quote]Just do us all a favour and f off will ya What you have said is quite frankly disgusting both the the memory of Lee Rigby and his family not to mention the rest of the UK. I sincerely hope some squadies are reading this and choose to show you what is it to be "hard" rather than the little pathetic keyboard warrior you are. Its one thing to bang on about Tories, conspirators and whatever else but to openly state that the killing of Lee Rigby never happened and the whole of the UK was hoodwinked is insulting to everyone. No your not obliged to believe media but how can you deny the video evidence, photo evidence, forensic evidence, witness evidence...hell even the killers admitting it but dont let that take anything away from your stupid ideas will you I honestly thought you were just some sort of little troll who came on here because they had no life but you have just proved you are clearly more that and in fact a disgusting piece of scum.[/p][/quote]Was Lee Rigby beheaded yes or no? If not why did boyadee claim to have witnessed "a man with his head chopped off right in front of his eyes"? Why did he claim they had "machetes" and why did he claim that one man "blew his finger off" firing a gun that was neither loaded or operational? Why when the gun was a blue six shot revolver did Graham Wilder tell reporters “Next minute urm he’s pulled the gun out from behind the back of him, black handgun which takes 12 to 15 rounds, and he’s just shot off. And then I walk back because I’ve seen the handgun and like cos I knew what the handgun looked like.”? In your own time now.[/p][/quote]Who cares. Fact is he was murdered, they were caught at the scene, they admitted and they were sentenced as guilty.....that's the simple end of it. Whos give a flying sh*t if some of the witnesses accounts varied slightly (as is the case with anything of this nature as due to the heat of moment people remember and forget different things happening). Look just stop trying to justify yourself when you are clearly just trying to wind up everyone. What next from you? Hitler was a myth? 9/11 never happened, Dianna was killed by MI5, Elvis is alive You just talk plain and simple sh*t and should go away quietly before someone comes looking for you[/p][/quote]So I should feel threatened if I don't go along with the story is that what you're saying? Who exactly should I feel threatened by? How many times were "The Killers" shot? http://youtu.be/7JDe ANepjCc[/p][/quote]Not going to even watch that but my simple answer would be not enough. They should have filled every inch of their bodies with bullets but then again they would have got what they wanted so there was some saving grace in just stopping them in their tracks. Of course none of this happened in your head did it...fool[/p][/quote]Well certainly not enough to cause a single drop of blood to be visible on the ground where they were shot after they were removed from the scene. Is that usual when police issue firearms are used repeatedly on someone?[/p][/quote]OK then d*ckhead Enlighten us where its states the defence of these two brought this matter to the prosecutions attention. SURELY they must have as you claim this never happened the defence teams would have tore the prosecution to bits. Maybe its just you are far superior to the brightest QC's in this country and if should have been you defending them. You could have got them off with your internet copy and pasted rubbish. Anyway not going to entertain you anymore. You have shown your true colours here but be rest assured old Rollie everytime you post on here I'm going to remind other posters of your comments here. Andy2010
  • Score: 2

5:01pm Wed 2 Apr 14

tinytoonster says...

RollandSmoke wrote:
Andy2010 wrote:
RollandSmoke wrote:
Andy2010 wrote:
RollandSmoke wrote:
Andy2010 wrote:
RollandSmoke wrote:
Andy2010 wrote:
Andy2010 wrote:
RollandSmoke wrote:
Andy2010 wrote:
RollandSmoke wrote:
Tinybantam wrote:
tinytoonster wrote:
RollandSmoke wrote:
Alhaurinrhino wrote:
RollandSmoke wrote:
Alhaurinrhino wrote:
They're not poor, they're lazy feckless breeders who think it's OK to rape the benefit system for all it's worth......
Well not any more matey :)
Let me guess you don't have children and if you did you would never have claimed the child benefit that up until recently wasn't means tested and which a couple earning £80k a year can still claim. PLEASE TELL ME YOU DON'T HAVE CHILDREN.
Actually I've got one child and another on the way :)). I recently moved into a four bedroom house because of my family, and guess what...I can afford it because I go out to work and have started a family now because I can afford them, unlike the feckless spongers who expect ME and other hardworking folk to provide for them as well as paying for our own.
Given the chance I wouldn't mind having a child with the lovely Ms McVey as well.....very tasty ;)
So you wont be claiming child benefit then or do you see it as an entitlement?
he should be entitled, he pays taxes!!
its people like you who think they are entitled to everything.
the evil tories make the unliked but necessary decisions and then when labour come in they wont change it.
so do not give me your codswallop speeches.
who made up the wmd stories to get into iraq?
who invaded afghanistan?
mr blair and brown!
easily forget that though because it does not suit your tory conspiracy theory!
Spot on comment........I notice no comeback.........cou













ld it be you have actually shut him up for once, with his anti-tory ramblings?
Don't be stupid you have barely got it in you to shut a door let alone shut me up. As for Tinytoonbrain's comments (they're really bringing out the big guns now lol) We all pay tax you muppet. Council tax, VAT on our purchases ect. What I think you meant is that he pays income tax which suggests he has an income. There are a lot of people out there who would love an income that they could pay tax on but reducing their ability to survive for however long it takes for the jobs to become available reduces the fitness for work of that person as well as their employ-ability. Not only that it reduces the life chances of any children that might be in their care thus creating problems with the next generation of workers too. You obviously haven't grasped that I'm not a big fan of Labour either. You are correct in that we were tricked into going into war with Iraq and Afghanistan however knowing this hasn't taught us any lessons it would seem. We still haven't pulled out of Afghanistan 4 years into this government. Your argument seem to be that Labour tricked us into a war so why shouldn't the Tories be allowed to do the same? Is that what you are saying?
Your comments on Lee Rigby earlier in the other thread just compounded the fact that everything you say is simply complete and utter bull

Police turned up yet ?

Sick b*****d
Whilst I would love to explain the laws of physics to you Andy I really can't be bothered. I believe you'll find that the comments that I was referring to were of Ingrid who's vantage point I think you'd have to agree was much closer and for a much longer period of time than either yours or mine. Although I did refer to Boyadee's comments as well as they are totally inaccurate. Do you dispute this?
No I prefer a colleague of mine who witnessed the whole thing and gave evidence at the trial. She is also receiving counselling for what she witnessed

So no I would prefer to believe the truth not some rubbish that was read on the internet or your pot induced paranoid mind came up with.

Please politely just f off and give us all a break
Also don't worry about responding. You can explain your postings to the police. Let them decide
Please by all means report me to the police. If they are confident in the story they have been told they can come arrest me, I will explain to them the facts and then I will take action for false arrest. We still have some freedom of speech left in this country. I am not obliged to believe media lies and I will speak out when I see them.
Just do us all a favour and f off will ya

What you have said is quite frankly disgusting both the the memory of Lee Rigby and his family not to mention the rest of the UK.

I sincerely hope some squadies are reading this and choose to show you what is it to be "hard" rather than the little pathetic keyboard warrior you are.

Its one thing to bang on about Tories, conspirators and whatever else but to openly state that the killing of Lee Rigby never happened and the whole of the UK was hoodwinked is insulting to everyone. No your not obliged to believe media but how can you deny the video evidence, photo evidence, forensic evidence, witness evidence...hell even the killers admitting it but dont let that take anything away from your stupid ideas will you

I honestly thought you were just some sort of little troll who came on here because they had no life but you have just proved you are clearly more that and in fact a disgusting piece of scum.
Was Lee Rigby beheaded yes or no? If not why did boyadee claim to have witnessed "a man with his head chopped off right in front of his eyes"? Why did he claim they had "machetes" and why did he claim that one man "blew his finger off" firing a gun that was neither loaded or operational? Why when the gun was a blue six shot revolver did Graham Wilder tell reporters “Next minute urm he’s pulled the gun out from behind the back of him, black handgun which takes 12 to 15 rounds, and he’s just shot off. And then I walk back because I’ve seen the handgun and like cos I knew what the handgun looked like.”? In your own time now.
Who cares.

Fact is he was murdered, they were caught at the scene, they admitted and they were sentenced as guilty.....that's the simple end of it.

Whos give a flying sh*t if some of the witnesses accounts varied slightly (as is the case with anything of this nature as due to the heat of moment people remember and forget different things happening).

Look just stop trying to justify yourself when you are clearly just trying to wind up everyone. What next from you? Hitler was a myth? 9/11 never happened, Dianna was killed by MI5, Elvis is alive

You just talk plain and simple sh*t and should go away quietly before someone comes looking for you
So I should feel threatened if I don't go along with the story is that what you're saying? Who exactly should I feel threatened by? How many times were "The Killers" shot?
http://youtu.be/7JDe



ANepjCc
Not going to even watch that but my simple answer would be not enough. They should have filled every inch of their bodies with bullets but then again they would have got what they wanted so there was some saving grace in just stopping them in their tracks.

Of course none of this happened in your head did it...fool
Well certainly not enough to cause a single drop of blood to be visible on the ground where they were shot after they were removed from the scene. Is that usual when police issue firearms are used repeatedly on someone?
WTF as any of this got to do with bedroom tax?
you need to put that spliff down and get some fresh air!
they attacked him, they got shot, they got life.
end of.
if it was up to me i would have sent them to afghanistan to serve their time.
prison too cushy here for them.
[quote][p][bold]RollandSmoke[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Andy2010[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]RollandSmoke[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Andy2010[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]RollandSmoke[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Andy2010[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]RollandSmoke[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Andy2010[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Andy2010[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]RollandSmoke[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Andy2010[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]RollandSmoke[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Tinybantam[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]tinytoonster[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]RollandSmoke[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Alhaurinrhino[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]RollandSmoke[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Alhaurinrhino[/bold] wrote: They're not poor, they're lazy feckless breeders who think it's OK to rape the benefit system for all it's worth...... Well not any more matey :)[/p][/quote]Let me guess you don't have children and if you did you would never have claimed the child benefit that up until recently wasn't means tested and which a couple earning £80k a year can still claim. PLEASE TELL ME YOU DON'T HAVE CHILDREN.[/p][/quote]Actually I've got one child and another on the way :)). I recently moved into a four bedroom house because of my family, and guess what...I can afford it because I go out to work and have started a family now because I can afford them, unlike the feckless spongers who expect ME and other hardworking folk to provide for them as well as paying for our own. Given the chance I wouldn't mind having a child with the lovely Ms McVey as well.....very tasty ;)[/p][/quote]So you wont be claiming child benefit then or do you see it as an entitlement?[/p][/quote]he should be entitled, he pays taxes!! its people like you who think they are entitled to everything. the evil tories make the unliked but necessary decisions and then when labour come in they wont change it. so do not give me your codswallop speeches. who made up the wmd stories to get into iraq? who invaded afghanistan? mr blair and brown! easily forget that though because it does not suit your tory conspiracy theory![/p][/quote]Spot on comment........I notice no comeback.........cou ld it be you have actually shut him up for once, with his anti-tory ramblings?[/p][/quote]Don't be stupid you have barely got it in you to shut a door let alone shut me up. As for Tinytoonbrain's comments (they're really bringing out the big guns now lol) We all pay tax you muppet. Council tax, VAT on our purchases ect. What I think you meant is that he pays income tax which suggests he has an income. There are a lot of people out there who would love an income that they could pay tax on but reducing their ability to survive for however long it takes for the jobs to become available reduces the fitness for work of that person as well as their employ-ability. Not only that it reduces the life chances of any children that might be in their care thus creating problems with the next generation of workers too. You obviously haven't grasped that I'm not a big fan of Labour either. You are correct in that we were tricked into going into war with Iraq and Afghanistan however knowing this hasn't taught us any lessons it would seem. We still haven't pulled out of Afghanistan 4 years into this government. Your argument seem to be that Labour tricked us into a war so why shouldn't the Tories be allowed to do the same? Is that what you are saying?[/p][/quote]Your comments on Lee Rigby earlier in the other thread just compounded the fact that everything you say is simply complete and utter bull Police turned up yet ? Sick b*****d[/p][/quote]Whilst I would love to explain the laws of physics to you Andy I really can't be bothered. I believe you'll find that the comments that I was referring to were of Ingrid who's vantage point I think you'd have to agree was much closer and for a much longer period of time than either yours or mine. Although I did refer to Boyadee's comments as well as they are totally inaccurate. Do you dispute this?[/p][/quote]No I prefer a colleague of mine who witnessed the whole thing and gave evidence at the trial. She is also receiving counselling for what she witnessed So no I would prefer to believe the truth not some rubbish that was read on the internet or your pot induced paranoid mind came up with. Please politely just f off and give us all a break[/p][/quote]Also don't worry about responding. You can explain your postings to the police. Let them decide[/p][/quote]Please by all means report me to the police. If they are confident in the story they have been told they can come arrest me, I will explain to them the facts and then I will take action for false arrest. We still have some freedom of speech left in this country. I am not obliged to believe media lies and I will speak out when I see them.[/p][/quote]Just do us all a favour and f off will ya What you have said is quite frankly disgusting both the the memory of Lee Rigby and his family not to mention the rest of the UK. I sincerely hope some squadies are reading this and choose to show you what is it to be "hard" rather than the little pathetic keyboard warrior you are. Its one thing to bang on about Tories, conspirators and whatever else but to openly state that the killing of Lee Rigby never happened and the whole of the UK was hoodwinked is insulting to everyone. No your not obliged to believe media but how can you deny the video evidence, photo evidence, forensic evidence, witness evidence...hell even the killers admitting it but dont let that take anything away from your stupid ideas will you I honestly thought you were just some sort of little troll who came on here because they had no life but you have just proved you are clearly more that and in fact a disgusting piece of scum.[/p][/quote]Was Lee Rigby beheaded yes or no? If not why did boyadee claim to have witnessed "a man with his head chopped off right in front of his eyes"? Why did he claim they had "machetes" and why did he claim that one man "blew his finger off" firing a gun that was neither loaded or operational? Why when the gun was a blue six shot revolver did Graham Wilder tell reporters “Next minute urm he’s pulled the gun out from behind the back of him, black handgun which takes 12 to 15 rounds, and he’s just shot off. And then I walk back because I’ve seen the handgun and like cos I knew what the handgun looked like.”? In your own time now.[/p][/quote]Who cares. Fact is he was murdered, they were caught at the scene, they admitted and they were sentenced as guilty.....that's the simple end of it. Whos give a flying sh*t if some of the witnesses accounts varied slightly (as is the case with anything of this nature as due to the heat of moment people remember and forget different things happening). Look just stop trying to justify yourself when you are clearly just trying to wind up everyone. What next from you? Hitler was a myth? 9/11 never happened, Dianna was killed by MI5, Elvis is alive You just talk plain and simple sh*t and should go away quietly before someone comes looking for you[/p][/quote]So I should feel threatened if I don't go along with the story is that what you're saying? Who exactly should I feel threatened by? How many times were "The Killers" shot? http://youtu.be/7JDe ANepjCc[/p][/quote]Not going to even watch that but my simple answer would be not enough. They should have filled every inch of their bodies with bullets but then again they would have got what they wanted so there was some saving grace in just stopping them in their tracks. Of course none of this happened in your head did it...fool[/p][/quote]Well certainly not enough to cause a single drop of blood to be visible on the ground where they were shot after they were removed from the scene. Is that usual when police issue firearms are used repeatedly on someone?[/p][/quote]WTF as any of this got to do with bedroom tax? you need to put that spliff down and get some fresh air! they attacked him, they got shot, they got life. end of. if it was up to me i would have sent them to afghanistan to serve their time. prison too cushy here for them. tinytoonster
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5:23pm Wed 2 Apr 14

RollandSmoke says...

Andy2010 wrote:
RollandSmoke wrote:
Andy2010 wrote:
RollandSmoke wrote:
Andy2010 wrote:
RollandSmoke wrote:
Andy2010 wrote:
RollandSmoke wrote:
Andy2010 wrote:
Andy2010 wrote:
RollandSmoke wrote:
Andy2010 wrote:
RollandSmoke wrote:
Tinybantam wrote:
tinytoonster wrote:
RollandSmoke wrote:
Alhaurinrhino wrote:
RollandSmoke wrote:
Alhaurinrhino wrote:
They're not poor, they're lazy feckless breeders who think it's OK to rape the benefit system for all it's worth......
Well not any more matey :)
Let me guess you don't have children and if you did you would never have claimed the child benefit that up until recently wasn't means tested and which a couple earning £80k a year can still claim. PLEASE TELL ME YOU DON'T HAVE CHILDREN.
Actually I've got one child and another on the way :)). I recently moved into a four bedroom house because of my family, and guess what...I can afford it because I go out to work and have started a family now because I can afford them, unlike the feckless spongers who expect ME and other hardworking folk to provide for them as well as paying for our own.
Given the chance I wouldn't mind having a child with the lovely Ms McVey as well.....very tasty ;)
So you wont be claiming child benefit then or do you see it as an entitlement?
he should be entitled, he pays taxes!!
its people like you who think they are entitled to everything.
the evil tories make the unliked but necessary decisions and then when labour come in they wont change it.
so do not give me your codswallop speeches.
who made up the wmd stories to get into iraq?
who invaded afghanistan?
mr blair and brown!
easily forget that though because it does not suit your tory conspiracy theory!
Spot on comment........I notice no comeback.........cou














ld it be you have actually shut him up for once, with his anti-tory ramblings?
Don't be stupid you have barely got it in you to shut a door let alone shut me up. As for Tinytoonbrain's comments (they're really bringing out the big guns now lol) We all pay tax you muppet. Council tax, VAT on our purchases ect. What I think you meant is that he pays income tax which suggests he has an income. There are a lot of people out there who would love an income that they could pay tax on but reducing their ability to survive for however long it takes for the jobs to become available reduces the fitness for work of that person as well as their employ-ability. Not only that it reduces the life chances of any children that might be in their care thus creating problems with the next generation of workers too. You obviously haven't grasped that I'm not a big fan of Labour either. You are correct in that we were tricked into going into war with Iraq and Afghanistan however knowing this hasn't taught us any lessons it would seem. We still haven't pulled out of Afghanistan 4 years into this government. Your argument seem to be that Labour tricked us into a war so why shouldn't the Tories be allowed to do the same? Is that what you are saying?
Your comments on Lee Rigby earlier in the other thread just compounded the fact that everything you say is simply complete and utter bull

Police turned up yet ?

Sick b*****d
Whilst I would love to explain the laws of physics to you Andy I really can't be bothered. I believe you'll find that the comments that I was referring to were of Ingrid who's vantage point I think you'd have to agree was much closer and for a much longer period of time than either yours or mine. Although I did refer to Boyadee's comments as well as they are totally inaccurate. Do you dispute this?
No I prefer a colleague of mine who witnessed the whole thing and gave evidence at the trial. She is also receiving counselling for what she witnessed

So no I would prefer to believe the truth not some rubbish that was read on the internet or your pot induced paranoid mind came up with.

Please politely just f off and give us all a break
Also don't worry about responding. You can explain your postings to the police. Let them decide
Please by all means report me to the police. If they are confident in the story they have been told they can come arrest me, I will explain to them the facts and then I will take action for false arrest. We still have some freedom of speech left in this country. I am not obliged to believe media lies and I will speak out when I see them.
Just do us all a favour and f off will ya

What you have said is quite frankly disgusting both the the memory of Lee Rigby and his family not to mention the rest of the UK.

I sincerely hope some squadies are reading this and choose to show you what is it to be "hard" rather than the little pathetic keyboard warrior you are.

Its one thing to bang on about Tories, conspirators and whatever else but to openly state that the killing of Lee Rigby never happened and the whole of the UK was hoodwinked is insulting to everyone. No your not obliged to believe media but how can you deny the video evidence, photo evidence, forensic evidence, witness evidence...hell even the killers admitting it but dont let that take anything away from your stupid ideas will you

I honestly thought you were just some sort of little troll who came on here because they had no life but you have just proved you are clearly more that and in fact a disgusting piece of scum.
Was Lee Rigby beheaded yes or no? If not why did boyadee claim to have witnessed "a man with his head chopped off right in front of his eyes"? Why did he claim they had "machetes" and why did he claim that one man "blew his finger off" firing a gun that was neither loaded or operational? Why when the gun was a blue six shot revolver did Graham Wilder tell reporters “Next minute urm he’s pulled the gun out from behind the back of him, black handgun which takes 12 to 15 rounds, and he’s just shot off. And then I walk back because I’ve seen the handgun and like cos I knew what the handgun looked like.”? In your own time now.
Who cares.

Fact is he was murdered, they were caught at the scene, they admitted and they were sentenced as guilty.....that's the simple end of it.

Whos give a flying sh*t if some of the witnesses accounts varied slightly (as is the case with anything of this nature as due to the heat of moment people remember and forget different things happening).

Look just stop trying to justify yourself when you are clearly just trying to wind up everyone. What next from you? Hitler was a myth? 9/11 never happened, Dianna was killed by MI5, Elvis is alive

You just talk plain and simple sh*t and should go away quietly before someone comes looking for you
So I should feel threatened if I don't go along with the story is that what you're saying? Who exactly should I feel threatened by? How many times were "The Killers" shot?
http://youtu.be/7JDe




ANepjCc
Not going to even watch that but my simple answer would be not enough. They should have filled every inch of their bodies with bullets but then again they would have got what they wanted so there was some saving grace in just stopping them in their tracks.

Of course none of this happened in your head did it...fool
Well certainly not enough to cause a single drop of blood to be visible on the ground where they were shot after they were removed from the scene. Is that usual when police issue firearms are used repeatedly on someone?
OK then d*ckhead

Enlighten us where its states the defence of these two brought this matter to the prosecutions attention.

SURELY they must have as you claim this never happened the defence teams would have tore the prosecution to bits.

Maybe its just you are far superior to the brightest QC's in this country and if should have been you defending them. You could have got them off with your internet copy and pasted rubbish.

Anyway not going to entertain you anymore. You have shown your true colours here but be rest assured old Rollie everytime you post on here I'm going to remind other posters of your comments here.
What makes you assume that it was ever the intention for these guys to get off with it? That would spoil everything. They had to be sent down for the whole thing to work, hell they postponed sentencing to ensure that these two would never be seen again. They wanted the whole life sentences which I doubt they would have got public support for without the Rigby Affair. They awarded GCHQ a £1.9bn increase in funding in the immediate aftermath so they can spy on us all better at a time when we were being told that there was no money to keep vital services running effectively. Please remind everyone as often as you can what I have said. If however you are going to tell people I'm wrong please explain why and give me the opportunity to rip you a new one every time you do.
[quote][p][bold]Andy2010[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]RollandSmoke[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Andy2010[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]RollandSmoke[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Andy2010[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]RollandSmoke[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Andy2010[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]RollandSmoke[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Andy2010[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Andy2010[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]RollandSmoke[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Andy2010[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]RollandSmoke[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Tinybantam[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]tinytoonster[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]RollandSmoke[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Alhaurinrhino[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]RollandSmoke[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Alhaurinrhino[/bold] wrote: They're not poor, they're lazy feckless breeders who think it's OK to rape the benefit system for all it's worth...... Well not any more matey :)[/p][/quote]Let me guess you don't have children and if you did you would never have claimed the child benefit that up until recently wasn't means tested and which a couple earning £80k a year can still claim. PLEASE TELL ME YOU DON'T HAVE CHILDREN.[/p][/quote]Actually I've got one child and another on the way :)). I recently moved into a four bedroom house because of my family, and guess what...I can afford it because I go out to work and have started a family now because I can afford them, unlike the feckless spongers who expect ME and other hardworking folk to provide for them as well as paying for our own. Given the chance I wouldn't mind having a child with the lovely Ms McVey as well.....very tasty ;)[/p][/quote]So you wont be claiming child benefit then or do you see it as an entitlement?[/p][/quote]he should be entitled, he pays taxes!! its people like you who think they are entitled to everything. the evil tories make the unliked but necessary decisions and then when labour come in they wont change it. so do not give me your codswallop speeches. who made up the wmd stories to get into iraq? who invaded afghanistan? mr blair and brown! easily forget that though because it does not suit your tory conspiracy theory![/p][/quote]Spot on comment........I notice no comeback.........cou ld it be you have actually shut him up for once, with his anti-tory ramblings?[/p][/quote]Don't be stupid you have barely got it in you to shut a door let alone shut me up. As for Tinytoonbrain's comments (they're really bringing out the big guns now lol) We all pay tax you muppet. Council tax, VAT on our purchases ect. What I think you meant is that he pays income tax which suggests he has an income. There are a lot of people out there who would love an income that they could pay tax on but reducing their ability to survive for however long it takes for the jobs to become available reduces the fitness for work of that person as well as their employ-ability. Not only that it reduces the life chances of any children that might be in their care thus creating problems with the next generation of workers too. You obviously haven't grasped that I'm not a big fan of Labour either. You are correct in that we were tricked into going into war with Iraq and Afghanistan however knowing this hasn't taught us any lessons it would seem. We still haven't pulled out of Afghanistan 4 years into this government. Your argument seem to be that Labour tricked us into a war so why shouldn't the Tories be allowed to do the same? Is that what you are saying?[/p][/quote]Your comments on Lee Rigby earlier in the other thread just compounded the fact that everything you say is simply complete and utter bull Police turned up yet ? Sick b*****d[/p][/quote]Whilst I would love to explain the laws of physics to you Andy I really can't be bothered. I believe you'll find that the comments that I was referring to were of Ingrid who's vantage point I think you'd have to agree was much closer and for a much longer period of time than either yours or mine. Although I did refer to Boyadee's comments as well as they are totally inaccurate. Do you dispute this?[/p][/quote]No I prefer a colleague of mine who witnessed the whole thing and gave evidence at the trial. She is also receiving counselling for what she witnessed So no I would prefer to believe the truth not some rubbish that was read on the internet or your pot induced paranoid mind came up with. Please politely just f off and give us all a break[/p][/quote]Also don't worry about responding. You can explain your postings to the police. Let them decide[/p][/quote]Please by all means report me to the police. If they are confident in the story they have been told they can come arrest me, I will explain to them the facts and then I will take action for false arrest. We still have some freedom of speech left in this country. I am not obliged to believe media lies and I will speak out when I see them.[/p][/quote]Just do us all a favour and f off will ya What you have said is quite frankly disgusting both the the memory of Lee Rigby and his family not to mention the rest of the UK. I sincerely hope some squadies are reading this and choose to show you what is it to be "hard" rather than the little pathetic keyboard warrior you are. Its one thing to bang on about Tories, conspirators and whatever else but to openly state that the killing of Lee Rigby never happened and the whole of the UK was hoodwinked is insulting to everyone. No your not obliged to believe media but how can you deny the video evidence, photo evidence, forensic evidence, witness evidence...hell even the killers admitting it but dont let that take anything away from your stupid ideas will you I honestly thought you were just some sort of little troll who came on here because they had no life but you have just proved you are clearly more that and in fact a disgusting piece of scum.[/p][/quote]Was Lee Rigby beheaded yes or no? If not why did boyadee claim to have witnessed "a man with his head chopped off right in front of his eyes"? Why did he claim they had "machetes" and why did he claim that one man "blew his finger off" firing a gun that was neither loaded or operational? Why when the gun was a blue six shot revolver did Graham Wilder tell reporters “Next minute urm he’s pulled the gun out from behind the back of him, black handgun which takes 12 to 15 rounds, and he’s just shot off. And then I walk back because I’ve seen the handgun and like cos I knew what the handgun looked like.”? In your own time now.[/p][/quote]Who cares. Fact is he was murdered, they were caught at the scene, they admitted and they were sentenced as guilty.....that's the simple end of it. Whos give a flying sh*t if some of the witnesses accounts varied slightly (as is the case with anything of this nature as due to the heat of moment people remember and forget different things happening). Look just stop trying to justify yourself when you are clearly just trying to wind up everyone. What next from you? Hitler was a myth? 9/11 never happened, Dianna was killed by MI5, Elvis is alive You just talk plain and simple sh*t and should go away quietly before someone comes looking for you[/p][/quote]So I should feel threatened if I don't go along with the story is that what you're saying? Who exactly should I feel threatened by? How many times were "The Killers" shot? http://youtu.be/7JDe ANepjCc[/p][/quote]Not going to even watch that but my simple answer would be not enough. They should have filled every inch of their bodies with bullets but then again they would have got what they wanted so there was some saving grace in just stopping them in their tracks. Of course none of this happened in your head did it...fool[/p][/quote]Well certainly not enough to cause a single drop of blood to be visible on the ground where they were shot after they were removed from the scene. Is that usual when police issue firearms are used repeatedly on someone?[/p][/quote]OK then d*ckhead Enlighten us where its states the defence of these two brought this matter to the prosecutions attention. SURELY they must have as you claim this never happened the defence teams would have tore the prosecution to bits. Maybe its just you are far superior to the brightest QC's in this country and if should have been you defending them. You could have got them off with your internet copy and pasted rubbish. Anyway not going to entertain you anymore. You have shown your true colours here but be rest assured old Rollie everytime you post on here I'm going to remind other posters of your comments here.[/p][/quote]What makes you assume that it was ever the intention for these guys to get off with it? That would spoil everything. They had to be sent down for the whole thing to work, hell they postponed sentencing to ensure that these two would never be seen again. They wanted the whole life sentences which I doubt they would have got public support for without the Rigby Affair. They awarded GCHQ a £1.9bn increase in funding in the immediate aftermath so they can spy on us all better at a time when we were being told that there was no money to keep vital services running effectively. Please remind everyone as often as you can what I have said. If however you are going to tell people I'm wrong please explain why and give me the opportunity to rip you a new one every time you do. RollandSmoke
  • Score: -4

5:41pm Wed 2 Apr 14

pjl20 says...

I challenge Esther McVey MP to a public debate about the 'bedroom tax' and how it can possibly assist the residents of Bradford.

Besides as 'Work Minister' what is she doing about private sector job creation in the metropolitan borough and what does she even know about new business development?

The cruel comment that only 218 out of 2,660 households with the city's biggest housing association, have been forced to move home, thereby causing 2011 to lose 25% of their housing benefit, with over 1,000 now in rent arrears, really stinks as a coalition government policy.

Where are the jobs Ms McVey?

Paul Latham
PPC, Keighley & Ilkley Constituency.
U.K. Independence Party
I challenge Esther McVey MP to a public debate about the 'bedroom tax' and how it can possibly assist the residents of Bradford. Besides as 'Work Minister' what is she doing about private sector job creation in the metropolitan borough and what does she even know about new business development? The cruel comment that only 218 out of 2,660 households with the city's biggest housing association, have been forced to move home, thereby causing 2011 to lose 25% of their housing benefit, with over 1,000 now in rent arrears, really stinks as a coalition government policy. Where are the jobs Ms McVey? Paul Latham PPC, Keighley & Ilkley Constituency. U.K. Independence Party pjl20
  • Score: 0

7:32pm Wed 2 Apr 14

Alhaurinrhino says...

RollandSmoke wrote:
Tinybantam wrote:
tinytoonster wrote:
RollandSmoke wrote:
Alhaurinrhino wrote:
RollandSmoke wrote:
Alhaurinrhino wrote:
They're not poor, they're lazy feckless breeders who think it's OK to rape the benefit system for all it's worth......
Well not any more matey :)
Let me guess you don't have children and if you did you would never have claimed the child benefit that up until recently wasn't means tested and which a couple earning £80k a year can still claim. PLEASE TELL ME YOU DON'T HAVE CHILDREN.
Actually I've got one child and another on the way :)). I recently moved into a four bedroom house because of my family, and guess what...I can afford it because I go out to work and have started a family now because I can afford them, unlike the feckless spongers who expect ME and other hardworking folk to provide for them as well as paying for our own.
Given the chance I wouldn't mind having a child with the lovely Ms McVey as well.....very tasty ;)
So you wont be claiming child benefit then or do you see it as an entitlement?
he should be entitled, he pays taxes!!
its people like you who think they are entitled to everything.
the evil tories make the unliked but necessary decisions and then when labour come in they wont change it.
so do not give me your codswallop speeches.
who made up the wmd stories to get into iraq?
who invaded afghanistan?
mr blair and brown!
easily forget that though because it does not suit your tory conspiracy theory!
Spot on comment........I notice no comeback.........cou


ld it be you have actually shut him up for once, with his anti-tory ramblings?
Don't be stupid you have barely got it in you to shut a door let alone shut me up. As for Tinytoonbrain's comments (they're really bringing out the big guns now lol) We all pay tax you muppet. Council tax, VAT on our purchases ect. What I think you meant is that he pays income tax which suggests he has an income. There are a lot of people out there who would love an income that they could pay tax on but reducing their ability to survive for however long it takes for the jobs to become available reduces the fitness for work of that person as well as their employ-ability. Not only that it reduces the life chances of any children that might be in their care thus creating problems with the next generation of workers too. You obviously haven't grasped that I'm not a big fan of Labour either. You are correct in that we were tricked into going into war with Iraq and Afghanistan however knowing this hasn't taught us any lessons it would seem. We still haven't pulled out of Afghanistan 4 years into this government. Your argument seem to be that Labour tricked us into a war so why shouldn't the Tories be allowed to do the same? Is that what you are saying?
I probably pay more stoppages from my salary per month than you do in a year, so my sense of entitlement over a few quid towards our fuel bill is more than fair.
Paying through the nose for lazy, dodgy, breeding benefit sponges gives me the moral high ground.
[quote][p][bold]RollandSmoke[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Tinybantam[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]tinytoonster[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]RollandSmoke[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Alhaurinrhino[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]RollandSmoke[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Alhaurinrhino[/bold] wrote: They're not poor, they're lazy feckless breeders who think it's OK to rape the benefit system for all it's worth...... Well not any more matey :)[/p][/quote]Let me guess you don't have children and if you did you would never have claimed the child benefit that up until recently wasn't means tested and which a couple earning £80k a year can still claim. PLEASE TELL ME YOU DON'T HAVE CHILDREN.[/p][/quote]Actually I've got one child and another on the way :)). I recently moved into a four bedroom house because of my family, and guess what...I can afford it because I go out to work and have started a family now because I can afford them, unlike the feckless spongers who expect ME and other hardworking folk to provide for them as well as paying for our own. Given the chance I wouldn't mind having a child with the lovely Ms McVey as well.....very tasty ;)[/p][/quote]So you wont be claiming child benefit then or do you see it as an entitlement?[/p][/quote]he should be entitled, he pays taxes!! its people like you who think they are entitled to everything. the evil tories make the unliked but necessary decisions and then when labour come in they wont change it. so do not give me your codswallop speeches. who made up the wmd stories to get into iraq? who invaded afghanistan? mr blair and brown! easily forget that though because it does not suit your tory conspiracy theory![/p][/quote]Spot on comment........I notice no comeback.........cou ld it be you have actually shut him up for once, with his anti-tory ramblings?[/p][/quote]Don't be stupid you have barely got it in you to shut a door let alone shut me up. As for Tinytoonbrain's comments (they're really bringing out the big guns now lol) We all pay tax you muppet. Council tax, VAT on our purchases ect. What I think you meant is that he pays income tax which suggests he has an income. There are a lot of people out there who would love an income that they could pay tax on but reducing their ability to survive for however long it takes for the jobs to become available reduces the fitness for work of that person as well as their employ-ability. Not only that it reduces the life chances of any children that might be in their care thus creating problems with the next generation of workers too. You obviously haven't grasped that I'm not a big fan of Labour either. You are correct in that we were tricked into going into war with Iraq and Afghanistan however knowing this hasn't taught us any lessons it would seem. We still haven't pulled out of Afghanistan 4 years into this government. Your argument seem to be that Labour tricked us into a war so why shouldn't the Tories be allowed to do the same? Is that what you are saying?[/p][/quote]I probably pay more stoppages from my salary per month than you do in a year, so my sense of entitlement over a few quid towards our fuel bill is more than fair. Paying through the nose for lazy, dodgy, breeding benefit sponges gives me the moral high ground. Alhaurinrhino
  • Score: 3

7:56pm Wed 2 Apr 14

RollandSmoke says...

Alhaurinrhino wrote:
RollandSmoke wrote:
Tinybantam wrote:
tinytoonster wrote:
RollandSmoke wrote:
Alhaurinrhino wrote:
RollandSmoke wrote:
Alhaurinrhino wrote:
They're not poor, they're lazy feckless breeders who think it's OK to rape the benefit system for all it's worth......
Well not any more matey :)
Let me guess you don't have children and if you did you would never have claimed the child benefit that up until recently wasn't means tested and which a couple earning £80k a year can still claim. PLEASE TELL ME YOU DON'T HAVE CHILDREN.
Actually I've got one child and another on the way :)). I recently moved into a four bedroom house because of my family, and guess what...I can afford it because I go out to work and have started a family now because I can afford them, unlike the feckless spongers who expect ME and other hardworking folk to provide for them as well as paying for our own.
Given the chance I wouldn't mind having a child with the lovely Ms McVey as well.....very tasty ;)
So you wont be claiming child benefit then or do you see it as an entitlement?
he should be entitled, he pays taxes!!
its people like you who think they are entitled to everything.
the evil tories make the unliked but necessary decisions and then when labour come in they wont change it.
so do not give me your codswallop speeches.
who made up the wmd stories to get into iraq?
who invaded afghanistan?
mr blair and brown!
easily forget that though because it does not suit your tory conspiracy theory!
Spot on comment........I notice no comeback.........cou



ld it be you have actually shut him up for once, with his anti-tory ramblings?
Don't be stupid you have barely got it in you to shut a door let alone shut me up. As for Tinytoonbrain's comments (they're really bringing out the big guns now lol) We all pay tax you muppet. Council tax, VAT on our purchases ect. What I think you meant is that he pays income tax which suggests he has an income. There are a lot of people out there who would love an income that they could pay tax on but reducing their ability to survive for however long it takes for the jobs to become available reduces the fitness for work of that person as well as their employ-ability. Not only that it reduces the life chances of any children that might be in their care thus creating problems with the next generation of workers too. You obviously haven't grasped that I'm not a big fan of Labour either. You are correct in that we were tricked into going into war with Iraq and Afghanistan however knowing this hasn't taught us any lessons it would seem. We still haven't pulled out of Afghanistan 4 years into this government. Your argument seem to be that Labour tricked us into a war so why shouldn't the Tories be allowed to do the same? Is that what you are saying?
I probably pay more stoppages from my salary per month than you do in a year, so my sense of entitlement over a few quid towards our fuel bill is more than fair.
Paying through the nose for lazy, dodgy, breeding benefit sponges gives me the moral high ground.
Your attitude towards other people prevents you from ever holding the moral high ground. If you feel you are being taxed too greatly it is only because that is what the government who have told you that you entitled to child benefit have deemed appropriate for your level of income or that you haven't been successful enough at hiding your income from the tax man. Are they leaving enough to survive on? Your four bedroom house and the two cars suggests they may be. Just to make it clear you have no objections to your taxes going to fund terrorists or illegal wars that the general public have been tricked into going into? That's ok so long as no benefit scum gets owt?
[quote][p][bold]Alhaurinrhino[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]RollandSmoke[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Tinybantam[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]tinytoonster[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]RollandSmoke[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Alhaurinrhino[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]RollandSmoke[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Alhaurinrhino[/bold] wrote: They're not poor, they're lazy feckless breeders who think it's OK to rape the benefit system for all it's worth...... Well not any more matey :)[/p][/quote]Let me guess you don't have children and if you did you would never have claimed the child benefit that up until recently wasn't means tested and which a couple earning £80k a year can still claim. PLEASE TELL ME YOU DON'T HAVE CHILDREN.[/p][/quote]Actually I've got one child and another on the way :)). I recently moved into a four bedroom house because of my family, and guess what...I can afford it because I go out to work and have started a family now because I can afford them, unlike the feckless spongers who expect ME and other hardworking folk to provide for them as well as paying for our own. Given the chance I wouldn't mind having a child with the lovely Ms McVey as well.....very tasty ;)[/p][/quote]So you wont be claiming child benefit then or do you see it as an entitlement?[/p][/quote]he should be entitled, he pays taxes!! its people like you who think they are entitled to everything. the evil tories make the unliked but necessary decisions and then when labour come in they wont change it. so do not give me your codswallop speeches. who made up the wmd stories to get into iraq? who invaded afghanistan? mr blair and brown! easily forget that though because it does not suit your tory conspiracy theory![/p][/quote]Spot on comment........I notice no comeback.........cou ld it be you have actually shut him up for once, with his anti-tory ramblings?[/p][/quote]Don't be stupid you have barely got it in you to shut a door let alone shut me up. As for Tinytoonbrain's comments (they're really bringing out the big guns now lol) We all pay tax you muppet. Council tax, VAT on our purchases ect. What I think you meant is that he pays income tax which suggests he has an income. There are a lot of people out there who would love an income that they could pay tax on but reducing their ability to survive for however long it takes for the jobs to become available reduces the fitness for work of that person as well as their employ-ability. Not only that it reduces the life chances of any children that might be in their care thus creating problems with the next generation of workers too. You obviously haven't grasped that I'm not a big fan of Labour either. You are correct in that we were tricked into going into war with Iraq and Afghanistan however knowing this hasn't taught us any lessons it would seem. We still haven't pulled out of Afghanistan 4 years into this government. Your argument seem to be that Labour tricked us into a war so why shouldn't the Tories be allowed to do the same? Is that what you are saying?[/p][/quote]I probably pay more stoppages from my salary per month than you do in a year, so my sense of entitlement over a few quid towards our fuel bill is more than fair. Paying through the nose for lazy, dodgy, breeding benefit sponges gives me the moral high ground.[/p][/quote]Your attitude towards other people prevents you from ever holding the moral high ground. If you feel you are being taxed too greatly it is only because that is what the government who have told you that you entitled to child benefit have deemed appropriate for your level of income or that you haven't been successful enough at hiding your income from the tax man. Are they leaving enough to survive on? Your four bedroom house and the two cars suggests they may be. Just to make it clear you have no objections to your taxes going to fund terrorists or illegal wars that the general public have been tricked into going into? That's ok so long as no benefit scum gets owt? RollandSmoke
  • Score: -4

8:40pm Wed 2 Apr 14

Alhaurinrhino says...

RollandSmoke wrote:
Alhaurinrhino wrote:
RollandSmoke wrote:
Tinybantam wrote:
tinytoonster wrote:
RollandSmoke wrote:
Alhaurinrhino wrote:
RollandSmoke wrote:
Alhaurinrhino wrote:
They're not poor, they're lazy feckless breeders who think it's OK to rape the benefit system for all it's worth......
Well not any more matey :)
Let me guess you don't have children and if you did you would never have claimed the child benefit that up until recently wasn't means tested and which a couple earning £80k a year can still claim. PLEASE TELL ME YOU DON'T HAVE CHILDREN.
Actually I've got one child and another on the way :)). I recently moved into a four bedroom house because of my family, and guess what...I can afford it because I go out to work and have started a family now because I can afford them, unlike the feckless spongers who expect ME and other hardworking folk to provide for them as well as paying for our own.
Given the chance I wouldn't mind having a child with the lovely Ms McVey as well.....very tasty ;)
So you wont be claiming child benefit then or do you see it as an entitlement?
he should be entitled, he pays taxes!!
its people like you who think they are entitled to everything.
the evil tories make the unliked but necessary decisions and then when labour come in they wont change it.
so do not give me your codswallop speeches.
who made up the wmd stories to get into iraq?
who invaded afghanistan?
mr blair and brown!
easily forget that though because it does not suit your tory conspiracy theory!
Spot on comment........I notice no comeback.........cou




ld it be you have actually shut him up for once, with his anti-tory ramblings?
Don't be stupid you have barely got it in you to shut a door let alone shut me up. As for Tinytoonbrain's comments (they're really bringing out the big guns now lol) We all pay tax you muppet. Council tax, VAT on our purchases ect. What I think you meant is that he pays income tax which suggests he has an income. There are a lot of people out there who would love an income that they could pay tax on but reducing their ability to survive for however long it takes for the jobs to become available reduces the fitness for work of that person as well as their employ-ability. Not only that it reduces the life chances of any children that might be in their care thus creating problems with the next generation of workers too. You obviously haven't grasped that I'm not a big fan of Labour either. You are correct in that we were tricked into going into war with Iraq and Afghanistan however knowing this hasn't taught us any lessons it would seem. We still haven't pulled out of Afghanistan 4 years into this government. Your argument seem to be that Labour tricked us into a war so why shouldn't the Tories be allowed to do the same? Is that what you are saying?
I probably pay more stoppages from my salary per month than you do in a year, so my sense of entitlement over a few quid towards our fuel bill is more than fair.
Paying through the nose for lazy, dodgy, breeding benefit sponges gives me the moral high ground.
Your attitude towards other people prevents you from ever holding the moral high ground. If you feel you are being taxed too greatly it is only because that is what the government who have told you that you entitled to child benefit have deemed appropriate for your level of income or that you haven't been successful enough at hiding your income from the tax man. Are they leaving enough to survive on? Your four bedroom house and the two cars suggests they may be. Just to make it clear you have no objections to your taxes going to fund terrorists or illegal wars that the general public have been tricked into going into? That's ok so long as no benefit scum gets owt?
Au contraire,
I have every objection to my taxes being used to fund wars and terrorism. I can see the driving force behind most of the world troubles and see that the BBC is the mouthpiece of countless lying governments. To me they are no better than the feckless breeders and I loathe them in equal amounts.
The homeless can freeze, the lazy can starve and the puppet governments can fall for all I care, just as long as the people I care for are OK.
[quote][p][bold]RollandSmoke[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Alhaurinrhino[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]RollandSmoke[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Tinybantam[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]tinytoonster[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]RollandSmoke[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Alhaurinrhino[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]RollandSmoke[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Alhaurinrhino[/bold] wrote: They're not poor, they're lazy feckless breeders who think it's OK to rape the benefit system for all it's worth...... Well not any more matey :)[/p][/quote]Let me guess you don't have children and if you did you would never have claimed the child benefit that up until recently wasn't means tested and which a couple earning £80k a year can still claim. PLEASE TELL ME YOU DON'T HAVE CHILDREN.[/p][/quote]Actually I've got one child and another on the way :)). I recently moved into a four bedroom house because of my family, and guess what...I can afford it because I go out to work and have started a family now because I can afford them, unlike the feckless spongers who expect ME and other hardworking folk to provide for them as well as paying for our own. Given the chance I wouldn't mind having a child with the lovely Ms McVey as well.....very tasty ;)[/p][/quote]So you wont be claiming child benefit then or do you see it as an entitlement?[/p][/quote]he should be entitled, he pays taxes!! its people like you who think they are entitled to everything. the evil tories make the unliked but necessary decisions and then when labour come in they wont change it. so do not give me your codswallop speeches. who made up the wmd stories to get into iraq? who invaded afghanistan? mr blair and brown! easily forget that though because it does not suit your tory conspiracy theory![/p][/quote]Spot on comment........I notice no comeback.........cou ld it be you have actually shut him up for once, with his anti-tory ramblings?[/p][/quote]Don't be stupid you have barely got it in you to shut a door let alone shut me up. As for Tinytoonbrain's comments (they're really bringing out the big guns now lol) We all pay tax you muppet. Council tax, VAT on our purchases ect. What I think you meant is that he pays income tax which suggests he has an income. There are a lot of people out there who would love an income that they could pay tax on but reducing their ability to survive for however long it takes for the jobs to become available reduces the fitness for work of that person as well as their employ-ability. Not only that it reduces the life chances of any children that might be in their care thus creating problems with the next generation of workers too. You obviously haven't grasped that I'm not a big fan of Labour either. You are correct in that we were tricked into going into war with Iraq and Afghanistan however knowing this hasn't taught us any lessons it would seem. We still haven't pulled out of Afghanistan 4 years into this government. Your argument seem to be that Labour tricked us into a war so why shouldn't the Tories be allowed to do the same? Is that what you are saying?[/p][/quote]I probably pay more stoppages from my salary per month than you do in a year, so my sense of entitlement over a few quid towards our fuel bill is more than fair. Paying through the nose for lazy, dodgy, breeding benefit sponges gives me the moral high ground.[/p][/quote]Your attitude towards other people prevents you from ever holding the moral high ground. If you feel you are being taxed too greatly it is only because that is what the government who have told you that you entitled to child benefit have deemed appropriate for your level of income or that you haven't been successful enough at hiding your income from the tax man. Are they leaving enough to survive on? Your four bedroom house and the two cars suggests they may be. Just to make it clear you have no objections to your taxes going to fund terrorists or illegal wars that the general public have been tricked into going into? That's ok so long as no benefit scum gets owt?[/p][/quote]Au contraire, I have every objection to my taxes being used to fund wars and terrorism. I can see the driving force behind most of the world troubles and see that the BBC is the mouthpiece of countless lying governments. To me they are no better than the feckless breeders and I loathe them in equal amounts. The homeless can freeze, the lazy can starve and the puppet governments can fall for all I care, just as long as the people I care for are OK. Alhaurinrhino
  • Score: 4

8:46pm Wed 2 Apr 14

RollandSmoke says...

Alhaurinrhino wrote:
RollandSmoke wrote:
Alhaurinrhino wrote:
RollandSmoke wrote:
Tinybantam wrote:
tinytoonster wrote:
RollandSmoke wrote:
Alhaurinrhino wrote:
RollandSmoke wrote:
Alhaurinrhino wrote:
They're not poor, they're lazy feckless breeders who think it's OK to rape the benefit system for all it's worth......
Well not any more matey :)
Let me guess you don't have children and if you did you would never have claimed the child benefit that up until recently wasn't means tested and which a couple earning £80k a year can still claim. PLEASE TELL ME YOU DON'T HAVE CHILDREN.
Actually I've got one child and another on the way :)). I recently moved into a four bedroom house because of my family, and guess what...I can afford it because I go out to work and have started a family now because I can afford them, unlike the feckless spongers who expect ME and other hardworking folk to provide for them as well as paying for our own.
Given the chance I wouldn't mind having a child with the lovely Ms McVey as well.....very tasty ;)
So you wont be claiming child benefit then or do you see it as an entitlement?
he should be entitled, he pays taxes!!
its people like you who think they are entitled to everything.
the evil tories make the unliked but necessary decisions and then when labour come in they wont change it.
so do not give me your codswallop speeches.
who made up the wmd stories to get into iraq?
who invaded afghanistan?
mr blair and brown!
easily forget that though because it does not suit your tory conspiracy theory!
Spot on comment........I notice no comeback.........cou





ld it be you have actually shut him up for once, with his anti-tory ramblings?
Don't be stupid you have barely got it in you to shut a door let alone shut me up. As for Tinytoonbrain's comments (they're really bringing out the big guns now lol) We all pay tax you muppet. Council tax, VAT on our purchases ect. What I think you meant is that he pays income tax which suggests he has an income. There are a lot of people out there who would love an income that they could pay tax on but reducing their ability to survive for however long it takes for the jobs to become available reduces the fitness for work of that person as well as their employ-ability. Not only that it reduces the life chances of any children that might be in their care thus creating problems with the next generation of workers too. You obviously haven't grasped that I'm not a big fan of Labour either. You are correct in that we were tricked into going into war with Iraq and Afghanistan however knowing this hasn't taught us any lessons it would seem. We still haven't pulled out of Afghanistan 4 years into this government. Your argument seem to be that Labour tricked us into a war so why shouldn't the Tories be allowed to do the same? Is that what you are saying?
I probably pay more stoppages from my salary per month than you do in a year, so my sense of entitlement over a few quid towards our fuel bill is more than fair.
Paying through the nose for lazy, dodgy, breeding benefit sponges gives me the moral high ground.
Your attitude towards other people prevents you from ever holding the moral high ground. If you feel you are being taxed too greatly it is only because that is what the government who have told you that you entitled to child benefit have deemed appropriate for your level of income or that you haven't been successful enough at hiding your income from the tax man. Are they leaving enough to survive on? Your four bedroom house and the two cars suggests they may be. Just to make it clear you have no objections to your taxes going to fund terrorists or illegal wars that the general public have been tricked into going into? That's ok so long as no benefit scum gets owt?
Au contraire,
I have every objection to my taxes being used to fund wars and terrorism. I can see the driving force behind most of the world troubles and see that the BBC is the mouthpiece of countless lying governments. To me they are no better than the feckless breeders and I loathe them in equal amounts.
The homeless can freeze, the lazy can starve and the puppet governments can fall for all I care, just as long as the people I care for are OK.
Fair play although small point. The sense of entitlement that you feel you have is for money given to you to spend on your child hence the name "child support". No-one is giving you money towards the petrol for the wife's car.
[quote][p][bold]Alhaurinrhino[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]RollandSmoke[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Alhaurinrhino[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]RollandSmoke[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Tinybantam[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]tinytoonster[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]RollandSmoke[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Alhaurinrhino[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]RollandSmoke[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Alhaurinrhino[/bold] wrote: They're not poor, they're lazy feckless breeders who think it's OK to rape the benefit system for all it's worth...... Well not any more matey :)[/p][/quote]Let me guess you don't have children and if you did you would never have claimed the child benefit that up until recently wasn't means tested and which a couple earning £80k a year can still claim. PLEASE TELL ME YOU DON'T HAVE CHILDREN.[/p][/quote]Actually I've got one child and another on the way :)). I recently moved into a four bedroom house because of my family, and guess what...I can afford it because I go out to work and have started a family now because I can afford them, unlike the feckless spongers who expect ME and other hardworking folk to provide for them as well as paying for our own. Given the chance I wouldn't mind having a child with the lovely Ms McVey as well.....very tasty ;)[/p][/quote]So you wont be claiming child benefit then or do you see it as an entitlement?[/p][/quote]he should be entitled, he pays taxes!! its people like you who think they are entitled to everything. the evil tories make the unliked but necessary decisions and then when labour come in they wont change it. so do not give me your codswallop speeches. who made up the wmd stories to get into iraq? who invaded afghanistan? mr blair and brown! easily forget that though because it does not suit your tory conspiracy theory![/p][/quote]Spot on comment........I notice no comeback.........cou ld it be you have actually shut him up for once, with his anti-tory ramblings?[/p][/quote]Don't be stupid you have barely got it in you to shut a door let alone shut me up. As for Tinytoonbrain's comments (they're really bringing out the big guns now lol) We all pay tax you muppet. Council tax, VAT on our purchases ect. What I think you meant is that he pays income tax which suggests he has an income. There are a lot of people out there who would love an income that they could pay tax on but reducing their ability to survive for however long it takes for the jobs to become available reduces the fitness for work of that person as well as their employ-ability. Not only that it reduces the life chances of any children that might be in their care thus creating problems with the next generation of workers too. You obviously haven't grasped that I'm not a big fan of Labour either. You are correct in that we were tricked into going into war with Iraq and Afghanistan however knowing this hasn't taught us any lessons it would seem. We still haven't pulled out of Afghanistan 4 years into this government. Your argument seem to be that Labour tricked us into a war so why shouldn't the Tories be allowed to do the same? Is that what you are saying?[/p][/quote]I probably pay more stoppages from my salary per month than you do in a year, so my sense of entitlement over a few quid towards our fuel bill is more than fair. Paying through the nose for lazy, dodgy, breeding benefit sponges gives me the moral high ground.[/p][/quote]Your attitude towards other people prevents you from ever holding the moral high ground. If you feel you are being taxed too greatly it is only because that is what the government who have told you that you entitled to child benefit have deemed appropriate for your level of income or that you haven't been successful enough at hiding your income from the tax man. Are they leaving enough to survive on? Your four bedroom house and the two cars suggests they may be. Just to make it clear you have no objections to your taxes going to fund terrorists or illegal wars that the general public have been tricked into going into? That's ok so long as no benefit scum gets owt?[/p][/quote]Au contraire, I have every objection to my taxes being used to fund wars and terrorism. I can see the driving force behind most of the world troubles and see that the BBC is the mouthpiece of countless lying governments. To me they are no better than the feckless breeders and I loathe them in equal amounts. The homeless can freeze, the lazy can starve and the puppet governments can fall for all I care, just as long as the people I care for are OK.[/p][/quote]Fair play although small point. The sense of entitlement that you feel you have is for money given to you to spend on your child hence the name "child support". No-one is giving you money towards the petrol for the wife's car. RollandSmoke
  • Score: -3

10:30am Thu 3 Apr 14

Gypsy Wolf says...

pcmanners wrote:
If they had worked hard and bought their own home instead of scrounging benefits and living off the rest of us then they wouldn't have a problem. They chose to waste their lives; they should live with the consequences and stop moaning.

Only socialists would throw good money after bad trying to help wasters like these.
I did work hard and buy my own house before I became ill and had to stop work until I was recovered. Now I am trying to find a job but have been unable to find one so far. I get £45 a week towards the cost of a £430 a month mortgage leaving me to find £250 a month shortfall, plus £22 a month towards my council tax... all from a basic benefit of £71 a week. Doesn't leave much for bills or food does it? It really gets my goat when sanctimonious people get on their high horse and start spouting inaccurate crap about people on benefits having an easy life, being scroungers etc. I paid into the system for over 25 years before I had to stop work.
[quote][p][bold]pcmanners[/bold] wrote: If they had worked hard and bought their own home instead of scrounging benefits and living off the rest of us then they wouldn't have a problem. They chose to waste their lives; they should live with the consequences and stop moaning. Only socialists would throw good money after bad trying to help wasters like these.[/p][/quote]I did work hard and buy my own house before I became ill and had to stop work until I was recovered. Now I am trying to find a job but have been unable to find one so far. I get £45 a week towards the cost of a £430 a month mortgage leaving me to find £250 a month shortfall, plus £22 a month towards my council tax... all from a basic benefit of £71 a week. Doesn't leave much for bills or food does it? It really gets my goat when sanctimonious people get on their high horse and start spouting inaccurate crap about people on benefits having an easy life, being scroungers etc. I paid into the system for over 25 years before I had to stop work. Gypsy Wolf
  • Score: -4

1:16pm Thu 3 Apr 14

Shipleyvegas says...

I pay a ridiculous amount of tax which means I can't afford to have a house with a spare bedroom - my kids have to share! I fully support this 'bedroom tax'
I pay a ridiculous amount of tax which means I can't afford to have a house with a spare bedroom - my kids have to share! I fully support this 'bedroom tax' Shipleyvegas
  • Score: 3

2:11pm Thu 3 Apr 14

RollandSmoke says...

Ok back on topic (sort of)
Ingrid Loyau-Kennett: “The PM praised my bravery and said people like me make this country what it is. Now I’m unable to pay my bills”
Ingrid insists she is willing to move to a smaller property but she has nowhere to go and so has to pay the Bedroom Tax.

She said: “I get £58 per week. That’s before Bedroom Tax, which is £21.”

Ingrid is left with just over £5 a day to cover bills, run a car and buy food. She said: “People say I shouldn’t have a car. But there is hardly any public transport.”

http://www.mirror.co
.uk/news/uk-news/bed
room-tax-angel-woolw
ich-ingrid-2843310#i
xzz2xpPRQ1wr
Does anyone else struggle to believe that she can really afford to pay her bills and buy food on £5 a day and still have any chance whatsoever of running a car?
Ok back on topic (sort of) Ingrid Loyau-Kennett: “The PM praised my bravery and said people like me make this country what it is. Now I’m unable to pay my bills” Ingrid insists she is willing to move to a smaller property but she has nowhere to go and so has to pay the Bedroom Tax. She said: “I get £58 per week. That’s before Bedroom Tax, which is £21.” Ingrid is left with just over £5 a day to cover bills, run a car and buy food. She said: “People say I shouldn’t have a car. But there is hardly any public transport.” http://www.mirror.co .uk/news/uk-news/bed room-tax-angel-woolw ich-ingrid-2843310#i xzz2xpPRQ1wr Does anyone else struggle to believe that she can really afford to pay her bills and buy food on £5 a day and still have any chance whatsoever of running a car? RollandSmoke
  • Score: -3

3:18pm Thu 3 Apr 14

Andy2010 says...

RollandSmoke wrote:
Ok back on topic (sort of)
Ingrid Loyau-Kennett: “The PM praised my bravery and said people like me make this country what it is. Now I’m unable to pay my bills”
Ingrid insists she is willing to move to a smaller property but she has nowhere to go and so has to pay the Bedroom Tax.

She said: “I get £58 per week. That’s before Bedroom Tax, which is £21.”

Ingrid is left with just over £5 a day to cover bills, run a car and buy food. She said: “People say I shouldn’t have a car. But there is hardly any public transport.”

http://www.mirror.co

.uk/news/uk-news/bed

room-tax-angel-woolw

ich-ingrid-2843310#i

xzz2xpPRQ1wr
Does anyone else struggle to believe that she can really afford to pay her bills and buy food on £5 a day and still have any chance whatsoever of running a car?
http://www.rightmove
.co.uk/property-to-r
ent/find.html?locati
onIdentifier=REGION%
5E623&maxBedrooms=1&
displayPropertyType=
flats&oldDisplayProp
ertyType=flats&radiu
s=20.0&googleAnalyti
csChannel=renting

Plenty to rent there all one bedroomed.

http://www.reed.co.u
k/jobs/helston

123 jobs just on site.

Lose the car and £5 a day is more than enough £1 electric, £1 gas, £3 food
[quote][p][bold]RollandSmoke[/bold] wrote: Ok back on topic (sort of) Ingrid Loyau-Kennett: “The PM praised my bravery and said people like me make this country what it is. Now I’m unable to pay my bills” Ingrid insists she is willing to move to a smaller property but she has nowhere to go and so has to pay the Bedroom Tax. She said: “I get £58 per week. That’s before Bedroom Tax, which is £21.” Ingrid is left with just over £5 a day to cover bills, run a car and buy food. She said: “People say I shouldn’t have a car. But there is hardly any public transport.” http://www.mirror.co .uk/news/uk-news/bed room-tax-angel-woolw ich-ingrid-2843310#i xzz2xpPRQ1wr Does anyone else struggle to believe that she can really afford to pay her bills and buy food on £5 a day and still have any chance whatsoever of running a car?[/p][/quote]http://www.rightmove .co.uk/property-to-r ent/find.html?locati onIdentifier=REGION% 5E623&maxBedrooms=1& displayPropertyType= flats&oldDisplayProp ertyType=flats&radiu s=20.0&googleAnalyti csChannel=renting Plenty to rent there all one bedroomed. http://www.reed.co.u k/jobs/helston 123 jobs just on site. Lose the car and £5 a day is more than enough £1 electric, £1 gas, £3 food Andy2010
  • Score: 3

4:00pm Thu 3 Apr 14

Gypsy Wolf says...

Andy2010 wrote:
RollandSmoke wrote:
Ok back on topic (sort of)
Ingrid Loyau-Kennett: “The PM praised my bravery and said people like me make this country what it is. Now I’m unable to pay my bills”
Ingrid insists she is willing to move to a smaller property but she has nowhere to go and so has to pay the Bedroom Tax.

She said: “I get £58 per week. That’s before Bedroom Tax, which is £21.”

Ingrid is left with just over £5 a day to cover bills, run a car and buy food. She said: “People say I shouldn’t have a car. But there is hardly any public transport.”

http://www.mirror.co


.uk/news/uk-news/bed


room-tax-angel-woolw


ich-ingrid-2843310#i


xzz2xpPRQ1wr
Does anyone else struggle to believe that she can really afford to pay her bills and buy food on £5 a day and still have any chance whatsoever of running a car?
http://www.rightmove

.co.uk/property-to-r

ent/find.html?locati

onIdentifier=REGION%

5E623&maxBedroom
s=1&
displayPropertyType=

flats&oldDisplay
Prop
ertyType=flats&r
adiu
s=20.0&googleAna
lyti
csChannel=renting

Plenty to rent there all one bedroomed.

http://www.reed.co.u

k/jobs/helston

123 jobs just on site.

Lose the car and £5 a day is more than enough £1 electric, £1 gas, £3 food
£5 a day is more than enough? Seriously? Maybe you should try it for a week and see how ridiculous your assertion is. How do you manage to pay your council tax, water rates, gas and electric bills,and feed and clothe yourself all on £5 a day? The simple answer is that you cant.
[quote][p][bold]Andy2010[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]RollandSmoke[/bold] wrote: Ok back on topic (sort of) Ingrid Loyau-Kennett: “The PM praised my bravery and said people like me make this country what it is. Now I’m unable to pay my bills” Ingrid insists she is willing to move to a smaller property but she has nowhere to go and so has to pay the Bedroom Tax. She said: “I get £58 per week. That’s before Bedroom Tax, which is £21.” Ingrid is left with just over £5 a day to cover bills, run a car and buy food. She said: “People say I shouldn’t have a car. But there is hardly any public transport.” http://www.mirror.co .uk/news/uk-news/bed room-tax-angel-woolw ich-ingrid-2843310#i xzz2xpPRQ1wr Does anyone else struggle to believe that she can really afford to pay her bills and buy food on £5 a day and still have any chance whatsoever of running a car?[/p][/quote]http://www.rightmove .co.uk/property-to-r ent/find.html?locati onIdentifier=REGION% 5E623&maxBedroom s=1& displayPropertyType= flats&oldDisplay Prop ertyType=flats&r adiu s=20.0&googleAna lyti csChannel=renting Plenty to rent there all one bedroomed. http://www.reed.co.u k/jobs/helston 123 jobs just on site. Lose the car and £5 a day is more than enough £1 electric, £1 gas, £3 food[/p][/quote]£5 a day is more than enough? Seriously? Maybe you should try it for a week and see how ridiculous your assertion is. How do you manage to pay your council tax, water rates, gas and electric bills,and feed and clothe yourself all on £5 a day? The simple answer is that you cant. Gypsy Wolf
  • Score: -2

4:08pm Thu 3 Apr 14

RollandSmoke says...

Andy2010 wrote:
RollandSmoke wrote:
Ok back on topic (sort of)
Ingrid Loyau-Kennett: “The PM praised my bravery and said people like me make this country what it is. Now I’m unable to pay my bills”
Ingrid insists she is willing to move to a smaller property but she has nowhere to go and so has to pay the Bedroom Tax.

She said: “I get £58 per week. That’s before Bedroom Tax, which is £21.”

Ingrid is left with just over £5 a day to cover bills, run a car and buy food. She said: “People say I shouldn’t have a car. But there is hardly any public transport.”

http://www.mirror.co


.uk/news/uk-news/bed


room-tax-angel-woolw


ich-ingrid-2843310#i


xzz2xpPRQ1wr
Does anyone else struggle to believe that she can really afford to pay her bills and buy food on £5 a day and still have any chance whatsoever of running a car?
http://www.rightmove

.co.uk/property-to-r

ent/find.html?locati

onIdentifier=REGION%

5E623&maxBedroom
s=1&
displayPropertyType=

flats&oldDisplay
Prop
ertyType=flats&r
adiu
s=20.0&googleAna
lyti
csChannel=renting

Plenty to rent there all one bedroomed.

http://www.reed.co.u

k/jobs/helston

123 jobs just on site.

Lose the car and £5 a day is more than enough £1 electric, £1 gas, £3 food
The properties to rent are in the private rented sector where rents are much higher so she will get housing benefit equivalent to what she would have received before the bedroom tax came into play saving the taxpayer nothing whilst someone would have to stump up the costs of moving. Any guesses who that might be? Out of interest how many half french women with strong french accents who were married to Iranians and lived in new zealand for 7 years do you know who wear Union Jack socks and have further Union Jacks and pictures of the Queen all over their house? There's something not quite right with Ingrid.
[quote][p][bold]Andy2010[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]RollandSmoke[/bold] wrote: Ok back on topic (sort of) Ingrid Loyau-Kennett: “The PM praised my bravery and said people like me make this country what it is. Now I’m unable to pay my bills” Ingrid insists she is willing to move to a smaller property but she has nowhere to go and so has to pay the Bedroom Tax. She said: “I get £58 per week. That’s before Bedroom Tax, which is £21.” Ingrid is left with just over £5 a day to cover bills, run a car and buy food. She said: “People say I shouldn’t have a car. But there is hardly any public transport.” http://www.mirror.co .uk/news/uk-news/bed room-tax-angel-woolw ich-ingrid-2843310#i xzz2xpPRQ1wr Does anyone else struggle to believe that she can really afford to pay her bills and buy food on £5 a day and still have any chance whatsoever of running a car?[/p][/quote]http://www.rightmove .co.uk/property-to-r ent/find.html?locati onIdentifier=REGION% 5E623&maxBedroom s=1& displayPropertyType= flats&oldDisplay Prop ertyType=flats&r adiu s=20.0&googleAna lyti csChannel=renting Plenty to rent there all one bedroomed. http://www.reed.co.u k/jobs/helston 123 jobs just on site. Lose the car and £5 a day is more than enough £1 electric, £1 gas, £3 food[/p][/quote]The properties to rent are in the private rented sector where rents are much higher so she will get housing benefit equivalent to what she would have received before the bedroom tax came into play saving the taxpayer nothing whilst someone would have to stump up the costs of moving. Any guesses who that might be? Out of interest how many half french women with strong french accents who were married to Iranians and lived in new zealand for 7 years do you know who wear Union Jack socks and have further Union Jacks and pictures of the Queen all over their house? There's something not quite right with Ingrid. RollandSmoke
  • Score: -1

4:38pm Thu 3 Apr 14

Andy2010 says...

Gypsy Wolf wrote:
Andy2010 wrote:
RollandSmoke wrote:
Ok back on topic (sort of)
Ingrid Loyau-Kennett: “The PM praised my bravery and said people like me make this country what it is. Now I’m unable to pay my bills”
Ingrid insists she is willing to move to a smaller property but she has nowhere to go and so has to pay the Bedroom Tax.

She said: “I get £58 per week. That’s before Bedroom Tax, which is £21.”

Ingrid is left with just over £5 a day to cover bills, run a car and buy food. She said: “People say I shouldn’t have a car. But there is hardly any public transport.”

http://www.mirror.co



.uk/news/uk-news/bed



room-tax-angel-woolw



ich-ingrid-2843310#i



xzz2xpPRQ1wr
Does anyone else struggle to believe that she can really afford to pay her bills and buy food on £5 a day and still have any chance whatsoever of running a car?
http://www.rightmove


.co.uk/property-to-r


ent/find.html?locati


onIdentifier=REGION%


5E623&maxBedroom

s=1&
displayPropertyType=


flats&oldDisplay

Prop
ertyType=flats&r

adiu
s=20.0&googleAna

lyti
csChannel=renting

Plenty to rent there all one bedroomed.

http://www.reed.co.u


k/jobs/helston

123 jobs just on site.

Lose the car and £5 a day is more than enough £1 electric, £1 gas, £3 food
£5 a day is more than enough? Seriously? Maybe you should try it for a week and see how ridiculous your assertion is. How do you manage to pay your council tax, water rates, gas and electric bills,and feed and clothe yourself all on £5 a day? The simple answer is that you cant.
Because £5 per day is a gross over exaggeration of her situation
[quote][p][bold]Gypsy Wolf[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Andy2010[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]RollandSmoke[/bold] wrote: Ok back on topic (sort of) Ingrid Loyau-Kennett: “The PM praised my bravery and said people like me make this country what it is. Now I’m unable to pay my bills” Ingrid insists she is willing to move to a smaller property but she has nowhere to go and so has to pay the Bedroom Tax. She said: “I get £58 per week. That’s before Bedroom Tax, which is £21.” Ingrid is left with just over £5 a day to cover bills, run a car and buy food. She said: “People say I shouldn’t have a car. But there is hardly any public transport.” http://www.mirror.co .uk/news/uk-news/bed room-tax-angel-woolw ich-ingrid-2843310#i xzz2xpPRQ1wr Does anyone else struggle to believe that she can really afford to pay her bills and buy food on £5 a day and still have any chance whatsoever of running a car?[/p][/quote]http://www.rightmove .co.uk/property-to-r ent/find.html?locati onIdentifier=REGION% 5E623&maxBedroom s=1& displayPropertyType= flats&oldDisplay Prop ertyType=flats&r adiu s=20.0&googleAna lyti csChannel=renting Plenty to rent there all one bedroomed. http://www.reed.co.u k/jobs/helston 123 jobs just on site. Lose the car and £5 a day is more than enough £1 electric, £1 gas, £3 food[/p][/quote]£5 a day is more than enough? Seriously? Maybe you should try it for a week and see how ridiculous your assertion is. How do you manage to pay your council tax, water rates, gas and electric bills,and feed and clothe yourself all on £5 a day? The simple answer is that you cant.[/p][/quote]Because £5 per day is a gross over exaggeration of her situation Andy2010
  • Score: 3

4:50pm Thu 3 Apr 14

RollandSmoke says...

Andy2010 wrote:
Gypsy Wolf wrote:
Andy2010 wrote:
RollandSmoke wrote:
Ok back on topic (sort of)
Ingrid Loyau-Kennett: “The PM praised my bravery and said people like me make this country what it is. Now I’m unable to pay my bills”
Ingrid insists she is willing to move to a smaller property but she has nowhere to go and so has to pay the Bedroom Tax.

She said: “I get £58 per week. That’s before Bedroom Tax, which is £21.”

Ingrid is left with just over £5 a day to cover bills, run a car and buy food. She said: “People say I shouldn’t have a car. But there is hardly any public transport.”

http://www.mirror.co




.uk/news/uk-news/bed




room-tax-angel-woolw




ich-ingrid-2843310#i




xzz2xpPRQ1wr
Does anyone else struggle to believe that she can really afford to pay her bills and buy food on £5 a day and still have any chance whatsoever of running a car?
http://www.rightmove



.co.uk/property-to-r



ent/find.html?locati



onIdentifier=REGION%



5E623&maxBedroom


s=1&
displayPropertyType=



flats&oldDisplay


Prop
ertyType=flats&r


adiu
s=20.0&googleAna


lyti
csChannel=renting

Plenty to rent there all one bedroomed.

http://www.reed.co.u



k/jobs/helston

123 jobs just on site.

Lose the car and £5 a day is more than enough £1 electric, £1 gas, £3 food
£5 a day is more than enough? Seriously? Maybe you should try it for a week and see how ridiculous your assertion is. How do you manage to pay your council tax, water rates, gas and electric bills,and feed and clothe yourself all on £5 a day? The simple answer is that you cant.
Because £5 per day is a gross over exaggeration of her situation
To be clear here are you calling Ingrid a liar or is it the media that is lying to us?
[quote][p][bold]Andy2010[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Gypsy Wolf[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Andy2010[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]RollandSmoke[/bold] wrote: Ok back on topic (sort of) Ingrid Loyau-Kennett: “The PM praised my bravery and said people like me make this country what it is. Now I’m unable to pay my bills” Ingrid insists she is willing to move to a smaller property but she has nowhere to go and so has to pay the Bedroom Tax. She said: “I get £58 per week. That’s before Bedroom Tax, which is £21.” Ingrid is left with just over £5 a day to cover bills, run a car and buy food. She said: “People say I shouldn’t have a car. But there is hardly any public transport.” http://www.mirror.co .uk/news/uk-news/bed room-tax-angel-woolw ich-ingrid-2843310#i xzz2xpPRQ1wr Does anyone else struggle to believe that she can really afford to pay her bills and buy food on £5 a day and still have any chance whatsoever of running a car?[/p][/quote]http://www.rightmove .co.uk/property-to-r ent/find.html?locati onIdentifier=REGION% 5E623&maxBedroom s=1& displayPropertyType= flats&oldDisplay Prop ertyType=flats&r adiu s=20.0&googleAna lyti csChannel=renting Plenty to rent there all one bedroomed. http://www.reed.co.u k/jobs/helston 123 jobs just on site. Lose the car and £5 a day is more than enough £1 electric, £1 gas, £3 food[/p][/quote]£5 a day is more than enough? Seriously? Maybe you should try it for a week and see how ridiculous your assertion is. How do you manage to pay your council tax, water rates, gas and electric bills,and feed and clothe yourself all on £5 a day? The simple answer is that you cant.[/p][/quote]Because £5 per day is a gross over exaggeration of her situation[/p][/quote]To be clear here are you calling Ingrid a liar or is it the media that is lying to us? RollandSmoke
  • Score: -3

5:13pm Thu 3 Apr 14

Andy2010 says...

RollandSmoke wrote:
Andy2010 wrote:
Gypsy Wolf wrote:
Andy2010 wrote:
RollandSmoke wrote:
Ok back on topic (sort of)
Ingrid Loyau-Kennett: “The PM praised my bravery and said people like me make this country what it is. Now I’m unable to pay my bills”
Ingrid insists she is willing to move to a smaller property but she has nowhere to go and so has to pay the Bedroom Tax.

She said: “I get £58 per week. That’s before Bedroom Tax, which is £21.”

Ingrid is left with just over £5 a day to cover bills, run a car and buy food. She said: “People say I shouldn’t have a car. But there is hardly any public transport.”

http://www.mirror.co





.uk/news/uk-news/bed





room-tax-angel-woolw





ich-ingrid-2843310#i





xzz2xpPRQ1wr
Does anyone else struggle to believe that she can really afford to pay her bills and buy food on £5 a day and still have any chance whatsoever of running a car?
http://www.rightmove




.co.uk/property-to-r




ent/find.html?locati




onIdentifier=REGION%




5E623&maxBedroom



s=1&
displayPropertyType=




flats&oldDisplay



Prop
ertyType=flats&r



adiu
s=20.0&googleAna



lyti
csChannel=renting

Plenty to rent there all one bedroomed.

http://www.reed.co.u




k/jobs/helston

123 jobs just on site.

Lose the car and £5 a day is more than enough £1 electric, £1 gas, £3 food
£5 a day is more than enough? Seriously? Maybe you should try it for a week and see how ridiculous your assertion is. How do you manage to pay your council tax, water rates, gas and electric bills,and feed and clothe yourself all on £5 a day? The simple answer is that you cant.
Because £5 per day is a gross over exaggeration of her situation
To be clear here are you calling Ingrid a liar or is it the media that is lying to us?
I dont know....I will check on truthseeker.com to find out the truth on this matter

Who needs Google in this day and age when truthseeker supplies the truth about everything ever !!
[quote][p][bold]RollandSmoke[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Andy2010[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Gypsy Wolf[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Andy2010[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]RollandSmoke[/bold] wrote: Ok back on topic (sort of) Ingrid Loyau-Kennett: “The PM praised my bravery and said people like me make this country what it is. Now I’m unable to pay my bills” Ingrid insists she is willing to move to a smaller property but she has nowhere to go and so has to pay the Bedroom Tax. She said: “I get £58 per week. That’s before Bedroom Tax, which is £21.” Ingrid is left with just over £5 a day to cover bills, run a car and buy food. She said: “People say I shouldn’t have a car. But there is hardly any public transport.” http://www.mirror.co .uk/news/uk-news/bed room-tax-angel-woolw ich-ingrid-2843310#i xzz2xpPRQ1wr Does anyone else struggle to believe that she can really afford to pay her bills and buy food on £5 a day and still have any chance whatsoever of running a car?[/p][/quote]http://www.rightmove .co.uk/property-to-r ent/find.html?locati onIdentifier=REGION% 5E623&maxBedroom s=1& displayPropertyType= flats&oldDisplay Prop ertyType=flats&r adiu s=20.0&googleAna lyti csChannel=renting Plenty to rent there all one bedroomed. http://www.reed.co.u k/jobs/helston 123 jobs just on site. Lose the car and £5 a day is more than enough £1 electric, £1 gas, £3 food[/p][/quote]£5 a day is more than enough? Seriously? Maybe you should try it for a week and see how ridiculous your assertion is. How do you manage to pay your council tax, water rates, gas and electric bills,and feed and clothe yourself all on £5 a day? The simple answer is that you cant.[/p][/quote]Because £5 per day is a gross over exaggeration of her situation[/p][/quote]To be clear here are you calling Ingrid a liar or is it the media that is lying to us?[/p][/quote]I dont know....I will check on truthseeker.com to find out the truth on this matter Who needs Google in this day and age when truthseeker supplies the truth about everything ever !! Andy2010
  • Score: 1

5:32pm Thu 3 Apr 14

BCFC1911 says...

Andy2010 wrote:
RollandSmoke wrote:
Andy2010 wrote:
Gypsy Wolf wrote:
Andy2010 wrote:
RollandSmoke wrote:
Ok back on topic (sort of)
Ingrid Loyau-Kennett: “The PM praised my bravery and said people like me make this country what it is. Now I’m unable to pay my bills”
Ingrid insists she is willing to move to a smaller property but she has nowhere to go and so has to pay the Bedroom Tax.

She said: “I get £58 per week. That’s before Bedroom Tax, which is £21.”

Ingrid is left with just over £5 a day to cover bills, run a car and buy food. She said: “People say I shouldn’t have a car. But there is hardly any public transport.”

http://www.mirror.co






.uk/news/uk-news/bed






room-tax-angel-woolw






ich-ingrid-2843310#i






xzz2xpPRQ1wr
Does anyone else struggle to believe that she can really afford to pay her bills and buy food on £5 a day and still have any chance whatsoever of running a car?
http://www.rightmove





.co.uk/property-to-r





ent/find.html?locati





onIdentifier=REGION%





5E623&maxBedroom




s=1&
displayPropertyType=





flats&oldDisplay




Prop
ertyType=flats&r




adiu
s=20.0&googleAna




lyti
csChannel=renting

Plenty to rent there all one bedroomed.

http://www.reed.co.u





k/jobs/helston

123 jobs just on site.

Lose the car and £5 a day is more than enough £1 electric, £1 gas, £3 food
£5 a day is more than enough? Seriously? Maybe you should try it for a week and see how ridiculous your assertion is. How do you manage to pay your council tax, water rates, gas and electric bills,and feed and clothe yourself all on £5 a day? The simple answer is that you cant.
Because £5 per day is a gross over exaggeration of her situation
To be clear here are you calling Ingrid a liar or is it the media that is lying to us?
I dont know....I will check on truthseeker.com to find out the truth on this matter

Who needs Google in this day and age when truthseeker supplies the truth about everything ever !!
That website is hilarious. Just showed the wife and she cannot believe some of the comments made on there.

It is some sort of joke isnt it?. Or do some looneys believe the things on there.
[quote][p][bold]Andy2010[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]RollandSmoke[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Andy2010[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Gypsy Wolf[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Andy2010[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]RollandSmoke[/bold] wrote: Ok back on topic (sort of) Ingrid Loyau-Kennett: “The PM praised my bravery and said people like me make this country what it is. Now I’m unable to pay my bills” Ingrid insists she is willing to move to a smaller property but she has nowhere to go and so has to pay the Bedroom Tax. She said: “I get £58 per week. That’s before Bedroom Tax, which is £21.” Ingrid is left with just over £5 a day to cover bills, run a car and buy food. She said: “People say I shouldn’t have a car. But there is hardly any public transport.” http://www.mirror.co .uk/news/uk-news/bed room-tax-angel-woolw ich-ingrid-2843310#i xzz2xpPRQ1wr Does anyone else struggle to believe that she can really afford to pay her bills and buy food on £5 a day and still have any chance whatsoever of running a car?[/p][/quote]http://www.rightmove .co.uk/property-to-r ent/find.html?locati onIdentifier=REGION% 5E623&maxBedroom s=1& displayPropertyType= flats&oldDisplay Prop ertyType=flats&r adiu s=20.0&googleAna lyti csChannel=renting Plenty to rent there all one bedroomed. http://www.reed.co.u k/jobs/helston 123 jobs just on site. Lose the car and £5 a day is more than enough £1 electric, £1 gas, £3 food[/p][/quote]£5 a day is more than enough? Seriously? Maybe you should try it for a week and see how ridiculous your assertion is. How do you manage to pay your council tax, water rates, gas and electric bills,and feed and clothe yourself all on £5 a day? The simple answer is that you cant.[/p][/quote]Because £5 per day is a gross over exaggeration of her situation[/p][/quote]To be clear here are you calling Ingrid a liar or is it the media that is lying to us?[/p][/quote]I dont know....I will check on truthseeker.com to find out the truth on this matter Who needs Google in this day and age when truthseeker supplies the truth about everything ever !![/p][/quote]That website is hilarious. Just showed the wife and she cannot believe some of the comments made on there. It is some sort of joke isnt it?. Or do some looneys believe the things on there. BCFC1911
  • Score: 0

5:36pm Thu 3 Apr 14

tinytoonster says...

RollandSmoke wrote:
Andy2010 wrote:
Gypsy Wolf wrote:
Andy2010 wrote:
RollandSmoke wrote:
Ok back on topic (sort of)
Ingrid Loyau-Kennett: “The PM praised my bravery and said people like me make this country what it is. Now I’m unable to pay my bills”
Ingrid insists she is willing to move to a smaller property but she has nowhere to go and so has to pay the Bedroom Tax.

She said: “I get £58 per week. That’s before Bedroom Tax, which is £21.”

Ingrid is left with just over £5 a day to cover bills, run a car and buy food. She said: “People say I shouldn’t have a car. But there is hardly any public transport.”

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Does anyone else struggle to believe that she can really afford to pay her bills and buy food on £5 a day and still have any chance whatsoever of running a car?
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Plenty to rent there all one bedroomed.

http://www.reed.co.u




k/jobs/helston

123 jobs just on site.

Lose the car and £5 a day is more than enough £1 electric, £1 gas, £3 food
£5 a day is more than enough? Seriously? Maybe you should try it for a week and see how ridiculous your assertion is. How do you manage to pay your council tax, water rates, gas and electric bills,and feed and clothe yourself all on £5 a day? The simple answer is that you cant.
Because £5 per day is a gross over exaggeration of her situation
To be clear here are you calling Ingrid a liar or is it the media that is lying to us?
we don't care about ingrid or the media.
gypsy wolf, its because of people like spliff head rollandsmoke that when people like you need help it is not enough.
they have to cut it for everyone or the bleeding hearts brigade cry foul.
some people have not seen a job for their entire adult life.
please do not tell me that they cannot get one because thats a lie
its a lifestyle they want so they do not bother..
anyway must go, tea to make and sarnies to do for WORK!
got to pay them taxes to support the scroungers.
[quote][p][bold]RollandSmoke[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Andy2010[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Gypsy Wolf[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Andy2010[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]RollandSmoke[/bold] wrote: Ok back on topic (sort of) Ingrid Loyau-Kennett: “The PM praised my bravery and said people like me make this country what it is. Now I’m unable to pay my bills” Ingrid insists she is willing to move to a smaller property but she has nowhere to go and so has to pay the Bedroom Tax. She said: “I get £58 per week. That’s before Bedroom Tax, which is £21.” Ingrid is left with just over £5 a day to cover bills, run a car and buy food. She said: “People say I shouldn’t have a car. But there is hardly any public transport.” http://www.mirror.co .uk/news/uk-news/bed room-tax-angel-woolw ich-ingrid-2843310#i xzz2xpPRQ1wr Does anyone else struggle to believe that she can really afford to pay her bills and buy food on £5 a day and still have any chance whatsoever of running a car?[/p][/quote]http://www.rightmove .co.uk/property-to-r ent/find.html?locati onIdentifier=REGION% 5E623&maxBedroom s=1& displayPropertyType= flats&oldDisplay Prop ertyType=flats&r adiu s=20.0&googleAna lyti csChannel=renting Plenty to rent there all one bedroomed. http://www.reed.co.u k/jobs/helston 123 jobs just on site. Lose the car and £5 a day is more than enough £1 electric, £1 gas, £3 food[/p][/quote]£5 a day is more than enough? Seriously? Maybe you should try it for a week and see how ridiculous your assertion is. How do you manage to pay your council tax, water rates, gas and electric bills,and feed and clothe yourself all on £5 a day? The simple answer is that you cant.[/p][/quote]Because £5 per day is a gross over exaggeration of her situation[/p][/quote]To be clear here are you calling Ingrid a liar or is it the media that is lying to us?[/p][/quote]we don't care about ingrid or the media. gypsy wolf, its because of people like spliff head rollandsmoke that when people like you need help it is not enough. they have to cut it for everyone or the bleeding hearts brigade cry foul. some people have not seen a job for their entire adult life. please do not tell me that they cannot get one because thats a lie its a lifestyle they want so they do not bother.. anyway must go, tea to make and sarnies to do for WORK! got to pay them taxes to support the scroungers. tinytoonster
  • Score: 2

5:57pm Thu 3 Apr 14

RollandSmoke says...

Andy2010 wrote:
RollandSmoke wrote:
Andy2010 wrote:
Gypsy Wolf wrote:
Andy2010 wrote:
RollandSmoke wrote:
Ok back on topic (sort of)
Ingrid Loyau-Kennett: “The PM praised my bravery and said people like me make this country what it is. Now I’m unable to pay my bills”
Ingrid insists she is willing to move to a smaller property but she has nowhere to go and so has to pay the Bedroom Tax.

She said: “I get £58 per week. That’s before Bedroom Tax, which is £21.”

Ingrid is left with just over £5 a day to cover bills, run a car and buy food. She said: “People say I shouldn’t have a car. But there is hardly any public transport.”

http://www.mirror.co






.uk/news/uk-news/bed






room-tax-angel-woolw






ich-ingrid-2843310#i






xzz2xpPRQ1wr
Does anyone else struggle to believe that she can really afford to pay her bills and buy food on £5 a day and still have any chance whatsoever of running a car?
http://www.rightmove





.co.uk/property-to-r





ent/find.html?locati





onIdentifier=REGION%





5E623&maxBedroom




s=1&
displayPropertyType=





flats&oldDisplay




Prop
ertyType=flats&r




adiu
s=20.0&googleAna




lyti
csChannel=renting

Plenty to rent there all one bedroomed.

http://www.reed.co.u





k/jobs/helston

123 jobs just on site.

Lose the car and £5 a day is more than enough £1 electric, £1 gas, £3 food
£5 a day is more than enough? Seriously? Maybe you should try it for a week and see how ridiculous your assertion is. How do you manage to pay your council tax, water rates, gas and electric bills,and feed and clothe yourself all on £5 a day? The simple answer is that you cant.
Because £5 per day is a gross over exaggeration of her situation
To be clear here are you calling Ingrid a liar or is it the media that is lying to us?
I dont know....I will check on truthseeker.com to find out the truth on this matter

Who needs Google in this day and age when truthseeker supplies the truth about everything ever !!
You don't know Andy? But if you don't know how can you claim "£5 per day is a gross over exaggeration of her situation"? If you believe it to be even though you admit "you don't know" then you obviously believe that either Ingrid herself is a liar or the media are lying. Which one is it? Whilst your attempts to deflect by stating what you think I believe, which again you don't know, are highly amusing this isn't about what I believe it is about what you have stated and expect people to accept as fact. Is this what you believe Andy or are you talking out of your arse again?
[quote][p][bold]Andy2010[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]RollandSmoke[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Andy2010[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Gypsy Wolf[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Andy2010[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]RollandSmoke[/bold] wrote: Ok back on topic (sort of) Ingrid Loyau-Kennett: “The PM praised my bravery and said people like me make this country what it is. Now I’m unable to pay my bills” Ingrid insists she is willing to move to a smaller property but she has nowhere to go and so has to pay the Bedroom Tax. She said: “I get £58 per week. That’s before Bedroom Tax, which is £21.” Ingrid is left with just over £5 a day to cover bills, run a car and buy food. She said: “People say I shouldn’t have a car. But there is hardly any public transport.” http://www.mirror.co .uk/news/uk-news/bed room-tax-angel-woolw ich-ingrid-2843310#i xzz2xpPRQ1wr Does anyone else struggle to believe that she can really afford to pay her bills and buy food on £5 a day and still have any chance whatsoever of running a car?[/p][/quote]http://www.rightmove .co.uk/property-to-r ent/find.html?locati onIdentifier=REGION% 5E623&maxBedroom s=1& displayPropertyType= flats&oldDisplay Prop ertyType=flats&r adiu s=20.0&googleAna lyti csChannel=renting Plenty to rent there all one bedroomed. http://www.reed.co.u k/jobs/helston 123 jobs just on site. Lose the car and £5 a day is more than enough £1 electric, £1 gas, £3 food[/p][/quote]£5 a day is more than enough? Seriously? Maybe you should try it for a week and see how ridiculous your assertion is. How do you manage to pay your council tax, water rates, gas and electric bills,and feed and clothe yourself all on £5 a day? The simple answer is that you cant.[/p][/quote]Because £5 per day is a gross over exaggeration of her situation[/p][/quote]To be clear here are you calling Ingrid a liar or is it the media that is lying to us?[/p][/quote]I dont know....I will check on truthseeker.com to find out the truth on this matter Who needs Google in this day and age when truthseeker supplies the truth about everything ever !![/p][/quote]You don't know Andy? But if you don't know how can you claim "£5 per day is a gross over exaggeration of her situation"? If you believe it to be even though you admit "you don't know" then you obviously believe that either Ingrid herself is a liar or the media are lying. Which one is it? Whilst your attempts to deflect by stating what you think I believe, which again you don't know, are highly amusing this isn't about what I believe it is about what you have stated and expect people to accept as fact. Is this what you believe Andy or are you talking out of your arse again? RollandSmoke
  • Score: -2

6:02pm Thu 3 Apr 14

RollandSmoke says...

tinytoonster wrote:
RollandSmoke wrote:
Andy2010 wrote:
Gypsy Wolf wrote:
Andy2010 wrote:
RollandSmoke wrote:
Ok back on topic (sort of)
Ingrid Loyau-Kennett: “The PM praised my bravery and said people like me make this country what it is. Now I’m unable to pay my bills”
Ingrid insists she is willing to move to a smaller property but she has nowhere to go and so has to pay the Bedroom Tax.

She said: “I get £58 per week. That’s before Bedroom Tax, which is £21.”

Ingrid is left with just over £5 a day to cover bills, run a car and buy food. She said: “People say I shouldn’t have a car. But there is hardly any public transport.”

http://www.mirror.co






.uk/news/uk-news/bed






room-tax-angel-woolw






ich-ingrid-2843310#i






xzz2xpPRQ1wr
Does anyone else struggle to believe that she can really afford to pay her bills and buy food on £5 a day and still have any chance whatsoever of running a car?
http://www.rightmove





.co.uk/property-to-r





ent/find.html?locati





onIdentifier=REGION%





5E623&maxBedroom




s=1&
displayPropertyType=





flats&oldDisplay




Prop
ertyType=flats&r




adiu
s=20.0&googleAna




lyti
csChannel=renting

Plenty to rent there all one bedroomed.

http://www.reed.co.u





k/jobs/helston

123 jobs just on site.

Lose the car and £5 a day is more than enough £1 electric, £1 gas, £3 food
£5 a day is more than enough? Seriously? Maybe you should try it for a week and see how ridiculous your assertion is. How do you manage to pay your council tax, water rates, gas and electric bills,and feed and clothe yourself all on £5 a day? The simple answer is that you cant.
Because £5 per day is a gross over exaggeration of her situation
To be clear here are you calling Ingrid a liar or is it the media that is lying to us?
we don't care about ingrid or the media.
gypsy wolf, its because of people like spliff head rollandsmoke that when people like you need help it is not enough.
they have to cut it for everyone or the bleeding hearts brigade cry foul.
some people have not seen a job for their entire adult life.
please do not tell me that they cannot get one because thats a lie
its a lifestyle they want so they do not bother..
anyway must go, tea to make and sarnies to do for WORK!
got to pay them taxes to support the scroungers.
You must be a really insecure little loser to feel the need to attack me and all the other benefit claimants all the time. You don't care if you are being lied to? Make no wonder the country's screwed. Is your job really that secure? What about your health? Feeling alright are we?
[quote][p][bold]tinytoonster[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]RollandSmoke[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Andy2010[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Gypsy Wolf[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Andy2010[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]RollandSmoke[/bold] wrote: Ok back on topic (sort of) Ingrid Loyau-Kennett: “The PM praised my bravery and said people like me make this country what it is. Now I’m unable to pay my bills” Ingrid insists she is willing to move to a smaller property but she has nowhere to go and so has to pay the Bedroom Tax. She said: “I get £58 per week. That’s before Bedroom Tax, which is £21.” Ingrid is left with just over £5 a day to cover bills, run a car and buy food. She said: “People say I shouldn’t have a car. But there is hardly any public transport.” http://www.mirror.co .uk/news/uk-news/bed room-tax-angel-woolw ich-ingrid-2843310#i xzz2xpPRQ1wr Does anyone else struggle to believe that she can really afford to pay her bills and buy food on £5 a day and still have any chance whatsoever of running a car?[/p][/quote]http://www.rightmove .co.uk/property-to-r ent/find.html?locati onIdentifier=REGION% 5E623&maxBedroom s=1& displayPropertyType= flats&oldDisplay Prop ertyType=flats&r adiu s=20.0&googleAna lyti csChannel=renting Plenty to rent there all one bedroomed. http://www.reed.co.u k/jobs/helston 123 jobs just on site. Lose the car and £5 a day is more than enough £1 electric, £1 gas, £3 food[/p][/quote]£5 a day is more than enough? Seriously? Maybe you should try it for a week and see how ridiculous your assertion is. How do you manage to pay your council tax, water rates, gas and electric bills,and feed and clothe yourself all on £5 a day? The simple answer is that you cant.[/p][/quote]Because £5 per day is a gross over exaggeration of her situation[/p][/quote]To be clear here are you calling Ingrid a liar or is it the media that is lying to us?[/p][/quote]we don't care about ingrid or the media. gypsy wolf, its because of people like spliff head rollandsmoke that when people like you need help it is not enough. they have to cut it for everyone or the bleeding hearts brigade cry foul. some people have not seen a job for their entire adult life. please do not tell me that they cannot get one because thats a lie its a lifestyle they want so they do not bother.. anyway must go, tea to make and sarnies to do for WORK! got to pay them taxes to support the scroungers.[/p][/quote]You must be a really insecure little loser to feel the need to attack me and all the other benefit claimants all the time. You don't care if you are being lied to? Make no wonder the country's screwed. Is your job really that secure? What about your health? Feeling alright are we? RollandSmoke
  • Score: -2

9:55pm Thu 3 Apr 14

RollandSmoke says...

The SSSC and people with disabilities

70.
DWP originally estimated that in around 63% of affected households either the claimant or their partner would have a disability (as defined under the Disability Discrimination Act). Witnesses estimated that 60-70% of affected households in England and 80% of affected households in Scotland contain someone with a disability.

71.
Witnesses were particularly concerned about the impact on the estimated 100,000 affected households who live in properties which have been adapted or were purpose built to accommodate the tenant’s needs arising from their disability. Housing associations argued that moving from an adapted property was not practical or cost-effective for this group of tenants because of the cost incurred in refitting the aids and adaptations in a new property. The National Housing Federation told us that the average grant awarded to provide aids and adaptions was £6,500. Scope pointed out that, for many disabled people, moving home was problematic: people with mental health conditions “find the thought of moving very distressing”; and people with physical disabilities “will find packing and moving house impossible, and hiring someone to help, too expensive.”

72.
Witnesses pointed out that there was a serious shortage of suitable properties, or ones which could be easily adapted, for those with mobility difficulties. Habinteg housing association told us that people with disabilities whose circumstances meant they were willing and able to move might still be compelled to wait up to 10 years for a suitably accessible property, meaning affected tenants could be forced into a situation where they would need to fund the extra housing costs themselves for up to 10 years.
http://www.publicati
ons.parliament.uk/pa
/cm201314/cmselect/c
mworpen/720/720.pdf
Not truthseeker.com I know, sorry if that disappoints any one.
A government spokesperson was possibly overheard saying something along the lines of "Fork them, they should have thought of that before they became disabled" I don't know, I wasn't there and media reporting is dubious at the best of times.
The SSSC and people with disabilities 70. DWP originally estimated that in around 63% of affected households either the claimant or their partner would have a disability (as defined under the Disability Discrimination Act). Witnesses estimated that 60-70% of affected households in England and 80% of affected households in Scotland contain someone with a disability. 71. Witnesses were particularly concerned about the impact on the estimated 100,000 affected households who live in properties which have been adapted or were purpose built to accommodate the tenant’s needs arising from their disability. Housing associations argued that moving from an adapted property was not practical or cost-effective for this group of tenants because of the cost incurred in refitting the aids and adaptations in a new property. The National Housing Federation told us that the average grant awarded to provide aids and adaptions was £6,500. Scope pointed out that, for many disabled people, moving home was problematic: people with mental health conditions “find the thought of moving very distressing”; and people with physical disabilities “will find packing and moving house impossible, and hiring someone to help, too expensive.” 72. Witnesses pointed out that there was a serious shortage of suitable properties, or ones which could be easily adapted, for those with mobility difficulties. Habinteg housing association told us that people with disabilities whose circumstances meant they were willing and able to move might still be compelled to wait up to 10 years for a suitably accessible property, meaning affected tenants could be forced into a situation where they would need to fund the extra housing costs themselves for up to 10 years. http://www.publicati ons.parliament.uk/pa /cm201314/cmselect/c mworpen/720/720.pdf Not truthseeker.com I know, sorry if that disappoints any one. A government spokesperson was possibly overheard saying something along the lines of "Fork them, they should have thought of that before they became disabled" I don't know, I wasn't there and media reporting is dubious at the best of times. RollandSmoke
  • Score: -2

1:20pm Sat 5 Apr 14

gracie field says...

RollandSmoke wrote:
Andy2010 wrote:
Farsley Bantam wrote:
RollandSmoke wrote:
Farsley Bantam wrote:
RollandSmoke wrote: As I've said before unless someone can produce evidence of a "spare room subsidy" being paid to those people who are now expected to pay for it's removal it is a tax. Those expected to pay have also been told they need to find 25% of their council tax. I can hear the Tories cheering now but where is someone on benefit expected to find this money from? They were classed as receiving the legal minimum that someone could be expected to live on before any of the changes to their housing benefit and council tax so what are they expected to do without in order to pay? Food, heating? And when they have become unwell due to not eating properly or due to the cold the Tories are now talking about charging them for their NHS hospital treatment. Why don't the Tories at least come clean about the fact that they are expecting, and some rubbing their hands with glee at the prospect of, people dying? It's obvious that this will be the outcome for some of the poor, the weak and the vulnerable. If they rounded them all up, put them in the back of wagons and shipped them off to gas chambers it would be more honest. Some of the Tories will be thinking that's not a bad idea and be wondering if they could get away with it? Of course they could because the British public are a spineless bunch and will let the psychopaths in Westminster do what they like.
Usual sensationalist hyperbolic nonsense.
Which bits are untrue?
That the Tories want poor people to die and would like to round them up and gas them - Sensationalist nonsense that is obviously untrue.

Also do you include yourself when you call the British public 'spineless' or do you consider writing annonymous comments on the T&A website taking a stand and sticking it to the man?
There no talking to our good old Rollie when the word Tory is mentioned. He forgets the fact that this "tax" was actually initially started by Labour...Thats a bit of an inconvenient truth though to his spoutings.

That aside though and this may seem like a crazy idea but the people in receipt of housing benefit that have had this cut could always get a job and not claim anything anymore. I know that concept is wacky and out there and you will respond with some usual copy and pasted rubbish with some links to the Telegraph website but if they did then they wouldn't have a problem.

Heres a little fact for you Rollie. The average time a "family" claim housing benefit now stands at 6 years .....that's 6 years !!. So you are telling me that in 6 years they are unable to get any job of any kind? Of course not...they are just living of the state rather than contributing
How much do you get paid for your comments Andy? Here's a little fact for you Andy there are people who win the lottery, that does not mean however that everyone wins the lottery. I cannot deny that some people do actually win but that doesn't mean that when you site an example of someone who has I shouldn't call you an idiot if you use that example to state that the lottery makes everyone a winner. Thanks for ignoring the fact that unlike some areas of the country Bradford's unemployment rate is not falling and taking full advantage of the opportunity to give people a kicking when they are down. Keep throwing that one in my face and any day now my health concerns will just disappear. I'm not sure if you are an idiot or just an arsehole but I don't like you Andy, you are a very sick individual.
hear hear roly! in my view this nazi wannabe is deffo a tory mouthpiece and talks as much crap as the tory bike mcevoy! what he never mentions is the fact these people claiming for 6 years are mostly sick and disabled so no matter how much they "reduce their benefits" (that is what i believe the bedroom tax and the fact people are forced to pay 25% council tax is all about really) they still wont be able to go to work so the money they have to pay for those two reductions actually is coming out of the sick and disabled persons FOOD budget!
the reason the benefit system was originally brought in all those years ago was because the hungry homeless and ill were such a high cost on other services. for example if a person was living in inadequate housing and going hungry constantly they were always getting very ill costing the nhs much money. the government back then decided that it made more financial sense to house them adequately and feed a person adequately and educate them.

the wonderful tories are well aware that benefits were put in place to prevent disease and illness and death due to lack of vitamins (rickets is already on the comeback btw) etc which all added to the cost of the nhs and so many poor dying early. yet these freaks want to undo all that good and get cowboy slum landlords to pick up the slack take the benefits away from the sick and disabled and deprive people of the nhs because they dont have £10 spare to pay for treatment.

the tories know depriving a poor or disabled person sustenance benefits is likely to lead to more ill health, homelessness and early death etc. they know this but they just dont care.

what happens when a young lad who has left his alcoholic and abusive home because he is so clinically depressed due to his violent home situation. treating his depression with hospital stays and consultant costs is far more expensive to the state and the only sensible way to save tax payers money in this case is to move him to a safe property and be given benefits to support him until he recovers his health.

he signs on for his 60 pound sustenance money so he can put something in the gas and electric so he can bath and heat food on his cooker and buy himself shopping. his health is slowly improving and then bam incomes this new law saying the two bed flat social services and housing gave him a year back is now going to cost him £12 pw in bedtax and £5 pw council tax.

10 gas
5 electric
12 bedtax
5 council tax
4 tv licence (when he was rehoused he was given and old portable tv)
4.50 water rates
10 pw bus fares to go to hospital for his treatment and to look for work to enable him to sign on at all
and lastly 10 for food.

right thats all his money gone. the food he buys has to be basic food like rice pasta and cereal and milk and a bar of soap and lets not forget a light bulb has blown which takes £2.99 of his food money this week.

where are this mans vitamins or his 5 a day in fruit and veg?? he cant afford them no matter how much he would love to buy them. after a few months of living like this. he hits crisis and is taken to get treatment. he is too ill to remember to fulfil his job-seeking agreement so when he signs on they sanction him for 3 months!

no heat no food no clean clothes at all now and he doesnt get his rent paid.
what happens to him now?

he becomes homeless and he is starving slowly to death on the streets because he is too depressed to try any more. because he is homeless all the consultants and medication he is meant to take stops because they cant trace him now and he doesnt give a stuff anymore and doesnt care if he lives or dies.
his mental health gets worse he goes out stealing just to get money for food and enters the criminal system (costing tax payers far more seeing as it costs to pay a judge/barrister for an hours in court and to use that room believe it or not) and then in winter he gets pneumonia and ends up in hospital seriously ill and too weak to fight the fight through lack of correct food he is there for a month (costing thousands a week). he dies in hospital.

this man was 20 years old. his rent and benefits were £135 per week add on a prescription at 8 quid making a total of £143 per week.

the most obvious way for the government to save money would have been to pay him the benefits and full rent.

this government are either too stupid or too evil or just cold hard criminal to be allowed to ruins our life saving and cost effective services but because of hatred like andy above for the more vulnerable and ill, spreading his gov lies and propaganda they are getting away with it right now and killing innocent people.

how do you feel about a 20 year old dying due to lack of a home and food in 2014?

i think its a national disgrace and the only reason they are thinking iof exiting the eu is so people like the lad above have no rights to fight this corrupt government. roly is always right on these boards and you ignorant propaganda believing useful idiots are helping kill vulnerable and weak innocent victims.

you should hand you heads in shame for your support of state murder!.
[quote][p][bold]RollandSmoke[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Andy2010[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Farsley Bantam[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]RollandSmoke[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Farsley Bantam[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]RollandSmoke[/bold] wrote: As I've said before unless someone can produce evidence of a "spare room subsidy" being paid to those people who are now expected to pay for it's removal it is a tax. Those expected to pay have also been told they need to find 25% of their council tax. I can hear the Tories cheering now but where is someone on benefit expected to find this money from? They were classed as receiving the legal minimum that someone could be expected to live on before any of the changes to their housing benefit and council tax so what are they expected to do without in order to pay? Food, heating? And when they have become unwell due to not eating properly or due to the cold the Tories are now talking about charging them for their NHS hospital treatment. Why don't the Tories at least come clean about the fact that they are expecting, and some rubbing their hands with glee at the prospect of, people dying? It's obvious that this will be the outcome for some of the poor, the weak and the vulnerable. If they rounded them all up, put them in the back of wagons and shipped them off to gas chambers it would be more honest. Some of the Tories will be thinking that's not a bad idea and be wondering if they could get away with it? Of course they could because the British public are a spineless bunch and will let the psychopaths in Westminster do what they like.[/p][/quote]Usual sensationalist hyperbolic nonsense.[/p][/quote]Which bits are untrue?[/p][/quote]That the Tories want poor people to die and would like to round them up and gas them - Sensationalist nonsense that is obviously untrue. Also do you include yourself when you call the British public 'spineless' or do you consider writing annonymous comments on the T&A website taking a stand and sticking it to the man?[/p][/quote]There no talking to our good old Rollie when the word Tory is mentioned. He forgets the fact that this "tax" was actually initially started by Labour...Thats a bit of an inconvenient truth though to his spoutings. That aside though and this may seem like a crazy idea but the people in receipt of housing benefit that have had this cut could always get a job and not claim anything anymore. I know that concept is wacky and out there and you will respond with some usual copy and pasted rubbish with some links to the Telegraph website but if they did then they wouldn't have a problem. Heres a little fact for you Rollie. The average time a "family" claim housing benefit now stands at 6 years .....that's 6 years !!. So you are telling me that in 6 years they are unable to get any job of any kind? Of course not...they are just living of the state rather than contributing[/p][/quote]How much do you get paid for your comments Andy? Here's a little fact for you Andy there are people who win the lottery, that does not mean however that everyone wins the lottery. I cannot deny that some people do actually win but that doesn't mean that when you site an example of someone who has I shouldn't call you an idiot if you use that example to state that the lottery makes everyone a winner. Thanks for ignoring the fact that unlike some areas of the country Bradford's unemployment rate is not falling and taking full advantage of the opportunity to give people a kicking when they are down. Keep throwing that one in my face and any day now my health concerns will just disappear. I'm not sure if you are an idiot or just an arsehole but I don't like you Andy, you are a very sick individual.[/p][/quote]hear hear roly! in my view this nazi wannabe is deffo a tory mouthpiece and talks as much crap as the tory bike mcevoy! what he never mentions is the fact these people claiming for 6 years are mostly sick and disabled so no matter how much they "reduce their benefits" (that is what i believe the bedroom tax and the fact people are forced to pay 25% council tax is all about really) they still wont be able to go to work so the money they have to pay for those two reductions actually is coming out of the sick and disabled persons FOOD budget! the reason the benefit system was originally brought in all those years ago was because the hungry homeless and ill were such a high cost on other services. for example if a person was living in inadequate housing and going hungry constantly they were always getting very ill costing the nhs much money. the government back then decided that it made more financial sense to house them adequately and feed a person adequately and educate them. the wonderful tories are well aware that benefits were put in place to prevent disease and illness and death due to lack of vitamins (rickets is already on the comeback btw) etc which all added to the cost of the nhs and so many poor dying early. yet these freaks want to undo all that good and get cowboy slum landlords to pick up the slack take the benefits away from the sick and disabled and deprive people of the nhs because they dont have £10 spare to pay for treatment. the tories know depriving a poor or disabled person sustenance benefits is likely to lead to more ill health, homelessness and early death etc. they know this but they just dont care. what happens when a young lad who has left his alcoholic and abusive home because he is so clinically depressed due to his violent home situation. treating his depression with hospital stays and consultant costs is far more expensive to the state and the only sensible way to save tax payers money in this case is to move him to a safe property and be given benefits to support him until he recovers his health. he signs on for his 60 pound sustenance money so he can put something in the gas and electric so he can bath and heat food on his cooker and buy himself shopping. his health is slowly improving and then bam incomes this new law saying the two bed flat social services and housing gave him a year back is now going to cost him £12 pw in bedtax and £5 pw council tax. 10 gas 5 electric 12 bedtax 5 council tax 4 tv licence (when he was rehoused he was given and old portable tv) 4.50 water rates 10 pw bus fares to go to hospital for his treatment and to look for work to enable him to sign on at all and lastly 10 for food. right thats all his money gone. the food he buys has to be basic food like rice pasta and cereal and milk and a bar of soap and lets not forget a light bulb has blown which takes £2.99 of his food money this week. where are this mans vitamins or his 5 a day in fruit and veg?? he cant afford them no matter how much he would love to buy them. after a few months of living like this. he hits crisis and is taken to get treatment. he is too ill to remember to fulfil his job-seeking agreement so when he signs on they sanction him for 3 months! no heat no food no clean clothes at all now and he doesnt get his rent paid. what happens to him now? he becomes homeless and he is starving slowly to death on the streets because he is too depressed to try any more. because he is homeless all the consultants and medication he is meant to take stops because they cant trace him now and he doesnt give a stuff anymore and doesnt care if he lives or dies. his mental health gets worse he goes out stealing just to get money for food and enters the criminal system (costing tax payers far more seeing as it costs to pay a judge/barrister for an hours in court and to use that room believe it or not) and then in winter he gets pneumonia and ends up in hospital seriously ill and too weak to fight the fight through lack of correct food he is there for a month (costing thousands a week). he dies in hospital. this man was 20 years old. his rent and benefits were £135 per week add on a prescription at 8 quid making a total of £143 per week. the most obvious way for the government to save money would have been to pay him the benefits and full rent. this government are either too stupid or too evil or just cold hard criminal to be allowed to ruins our life saving and cost effective services but because of hatred like andy above for the more vulnerable and ill, spreading his gov lies and propaganda they are getting away with it right now and killing innocent people. how do you feel about a 20 year old dying due to lack of a home and food in 2014? i think its a national disgrace and the only reason they are thinking iof exiting the eu is so people like the lad above have no rights to fight this corrupt government. roly is always right on these boards and you ignorant propaganda believing useful idiots are helping kill vulnerable and weak innocent victims. you should hand you heads in shame for your support of state murder!. gracie field
  • Score: -1

3:57pm Sat 5 Apr 14

gracie field says...

RollandSmoke wrote:
Farsley Bantam wrote:
RollandSmoke wrote:
Farsley Bantam wrote:
RollandSmoke wrote: As I've said before unless someone can produce evidence of a "spare room subsidy" being paid to those people who are now expected to pay for it's removal it is a tax. Those expected to pay have also been told they need to find 25% of their council tax. I can hear the Tories cheering now but where is someone on benefit expected to find this money from? They were classed as receiving the legal minimum that someone could be expected to live on before any of the changes to their housing benefit and council tax so what are they expected to do without in order to pay? Food, heating? And when they have become unwell due to not eating properly or due to the cold the Tories are now talking about charging them for their NHS hospital treatment. Why don't the Tories at least come clean about the fact that they are expecting, and some rubbing their hands with glee at the prospect of, people dying? It's obvious that this will be the outcome for some of the poor, the weak and the vulnerable. If they rounded them all up, put them in the back of wagons and shipped them off to gas chambers it would be more honest. Some of the Tories will be thinking that's not a bad idea and be wondering if they could get away with it? Of course they could because the British public are a spineless bunch and will let the psychopaths in Westminster do what they like.
Usual sensationalist hyperbolic nonsense.
Which bits are untrue?
That the Tories want poor people to die and would like to round them up and gas them - Sensationalist nonsense that is obviously untrue.

Also do you include yourself when you call the British public 'spineless' or do you consider writing annonymous comments on the T&A website taking a stand and sticking it to the man?
Ok I'm posting anonymously I'll give you that. Although if you're really that bothered about who I am my names Andy Brown. I live in Windhill Shipley (hopefully that will stop the clever sods who keep trying to remove my right to anonymity) I can tell you this as I'm not scared of anyone knowing who I am, Hell I've posted enough videos telling everyone that the guy in them is RollandSmoke/Andy Brown. So they don't actually want them to die they just want them to suffer, is that what you're telling me? They are causing serious financial and emotional distress for a lot of people. Some will be able to cope with that distress for a short period of time but we are not talking about a short period of time are we? We are talking constant and ongoing distress. Some will crack and will require treatment, all at the taxpayers expense and others will not get the help they need in time. There will be deaths, there have already been deaths. The government knows this. Is the policy under review? No.
hear hear roly! in my view this nazi wannabe is deffo a tory mouthpiece and talks as much crap as the tory bike mcevoy! what he never mentions is the fact these people claiming for 6 years are mostly sick and disabled so no matter how much they "reduce their benefits" (that is what i believe the bedroom tax and the fact people are forced to pay 25% council tax is all about really) they still wont be able to go to work so the money they have to pay for those two reductions actually is coming out of the sick and disabled persons FOOD budget!
the reason the benefit system was originally brought in all those years ago was because the hungry homeless and ill were such a high cost on other services. for example if a person was living in inadequate housing and going hungry constantly they were always getting very ill costing the nhs much money. the government back then decided that it made more financial sense to house them adequately and feed a person adequately and educate them. this was the cheaper option in keeping humans healthy.

the wonderful tories are well aware that benefits were put in place to prevent disease and illness and death due to lack of vitamins (rickets is already on the comeback btw) etc which all added to the cost of the nhs and so many poor dying early. yet these freaks want to undo all that good and get cowboy slum landlords to pick up the slack take the benefits away from the sick and disabled and deprive people of the nhs because they dont have £10 spare to pay for treatment.

the tories know depriving a poor or disabled person sustenance benefits is likely to lead to more ill health, homelessness and early death etc. they know this but they just dont care.

what happens when a young lad of 18 who has left his alcoholic violent and abusive family because he is so clinically depressed and suicidal due to his violent home situation. treating his depression with hospital stays and consultant costs is far more expensive to the state and the only sensible way to save tax payers money in this case is to move him to a safe property and be given benefits to support him until he recovers his health.

he signs on for his 58 pound sustenance money so he can put something in the gas and electric so he can bath and heat food on his cooker and buy himself a little shopping. his health is slowly improving and then bam in comes this new law saying the two bed flat social services and housing gave him a year or so back is now going to cost him £12 pw in bedtax and £5 pw council tax as well as the other outgoings.

10 gas
5 electric
12 bedtax
5 council tax
4 tv licence (when he was rehoused he was given and old portable tv)
4.50 water rates
10 pw bus fares to go to hospital for his treatment and to look for work to enable him to sign on at all
and lastly 10 for food.

right thats all his money gone. the food he buys has to be basic food like rice pasta and cereal and milk and a bar of soap and lets not forget a light bulb has blown which takes £2.99 of his food money this week.

where are this vulnerable mans vitamins or his 5 a day in fruit and veg?? he cant afford them no matter how much he would love to buy them. after a few months of living like this. he hits crisis and is taken to get treatment. he is too ill to remember to fulfil his job-seeking agreement so when he signs on they sanction him for 3 months!

no heat no food no clean clothes at all now and he doesnt get his rent paid.
what happens to him now? he is a no win situation.

he becomes homeless and he is starving slowly to death on the streets because he is too depressed to try any more. because he is homeless all the consultants and medication he is meant to take stops because they cant trace him now and he doesnt give a stuff anymore and doesnt care if he lives or dies.
his mental health gets worse he goes out stealing just to get money for food and enters the criminal system (costing tax payers far more seeing as it costs to pay a judge/barrister for an hours in court and to use that room believe it or not) and then in winter he gets pneumonia and ends up in hospital seriously ill and too weak to fight the fight through lack of correct food he is there for a month (costing thousands a week). his diet has caused him to become weak ill and more depressed which our medical experts have told us would happen.

this man was 20 years old. his rent and benefits were £135 per week
the most obvious way for the government to save money and keep this man would have been to pay him the benefits and full rent. not that his diet would make him healthy though.

this government are either too stupid or too evil or just cold hard criminal to be allowed to ruins our life saving and cost effective services but because of hatred like andy above for the more vulnerable and ill, spreading his gov lies and propaganda they are getting away with it right now and killing innocent people.

how do you feel about a 20 year old dying due to lack of a home, medical treatment and food in 2014?

i think its a national disgrace and the only reason they are thinking of exiting the eu is so people like the lad above have no rights to fight this corrupt government. roly is always right on these boards and you ignorant propaganda believing useful idiots are helping kill vulnerable and weak innocent victims in order to keep the poorest to ill to fight back. people like that lad dont know the law they think the benefit advisers are correct in what they do and that you cant appeal etc.

you should hand you heads in shame for your support of state murder!. you disgust most decent humans. we had a safety net and the tories being the evil scum they are are demolishing it. i hope every single person who put an x in the ballot box loose everything one day and get illness so bad they cannot work. only then will these useful idiots realise they are voting their own families safety net away forever.

andy (not brown) you and your ilk are scum. you are turning this country back to our slave days when our poor were used as slaves living on nothing. you have already started the transformation and if left in power will end up killing the vulnerable and shipping the rest to a deserted island somewhere so we dont have to care about them.

you think you will make a better and stronger country but all you are doing is causing the people to live like the victorian poor and vulnerable in slums and begging for scraps of old food to feed themselves.
[quote][p][bold]RollandSmoke[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Farsley Bantam[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]RollandSmoke[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Farsley Bantam[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]RollandSmoke[/bold] wrote: As I've said before unless someone can produce evidence of a "spare room subsidy" being paid to those people who are now expected to pay for it's removal it is a tax. Those expected to pay have also been told they need to find 25% of their council tax. I can hear the Tories cheering now but where is someone on benefit expected to find this money from? They were classed as receiving the legal minimum that someone could be expected to live on before any of the changes to their housing benefit and council tax so what are they expected to do without in order to pay? Food, heating? And when they have become unwell due to not eating properly or due to the cold the Tories are now talking about charging them for their NHS hospital treatment. Why don't the Tories at least come clean about the fact that they are expecting, and some rubbing their hands with glee at the prospect of, people dying? It's obvious that this will be the outcome for some of the poor, the weak and the vulnerable. If they rounded them all up, put them in the back of wagons and shipped them off to gas chambers it would be more honest. Some of the Tories will be thinking that's not a bad idea and be wondering if they could get away with it? Of course they could because the British public are a spineless bunch and will let the psychopaths in Westminster do what they like.[/p][/quote]Usual sensationalist hyperbolic nonsense.[/p][/quote]Which bits are untrue?[/p][/quote]That the Tories want poor people to die and would like to round them up and gas them - Sensationalist nonsense that is obviously untrue. Also do you include yourself when you call the British public 'spineless' or do you consider writing annonymous comments on the T&A website taking a stand and sticking it to the man?[/p][/quote]Ok I'm posting anonymously I'll give you that. Although if you're really that bothered about who I am my names Andy Brown. I live in Windhill Shipley (hopefully that will stop the clever sods who keep trying to remove my right to anonymity) I can tell you this as I'm not scared of anyone knowing who I am, Hell I've posted enough videos telling everyone that the guy in them is RollandSmoke/Andy Brown. So they don't actually want them to die they just want them to suffer, is that what you're telling me? They are causing serious financial and emotional distress for a lot of people. Some will be able to cope with that distress for a short period of time but we are not talking about a short period of time are we? We are talking constant and ongoing distress. Some will crack and will require treatment, all at the taxpayers expense and others will not get the help they need in time. There will be deaths, there have already been deaths. The government knows this. Is the policy under review? No.[/p][/quote]hear hear roly! in my view this nazi wannabe is deffo a tory mouthpiece and talks as much crap as the tory bike mcevoy! what he never mentions is the fact these people claiming for 6 years are mostly sick and disabled so no matter how much they "reduce their benefits" (that is what i believe the bedroom tax and the fact people are forced to pay 25% council tax is all about really) they still wont be able to go to work so the money they have to pay for those two reductions actually is coming out of the sick and disabled persons FOOD budget! the reason the benefit system was originally brought in all those years ago was because the hungry homeless and ill were such a high cost on other services. for example if a person was living in inadequate housing and going hungry constantly they were always getting very ill costing the nhs much money. the government back then decided that it made more financial sense to house them adequately and feed a person adequately and educate them. this was the cheaper option in keeping humans healthy. the wonderful tories are well aware that benefits were put in place to prevent disease and illness and death due to lack of vitamins (rickets is already on the comeback btw) etc which all added to the cost of the nhs and so many poor dying early. yet these freaks want to undo all that good and get cowboy slum landlords to pick up the slack take the benefits away from the sick and disabled and deprive people of the nhs because they dont have £10 spare to pay for treatment. the tories know depriving a poor or disabled person sustenance benefits is likely to lead to more ill health, homelessness and early death etc. they know this but they just dont care. what happens when a young lad of 18 who has left his alcoholic violent and abusive family because he is so clinically depressed and suicidal due to his violent home situation. treating his depression with hospital stays and consultant costs is far more expensive to the state and the only sensible way to save tax payers money in this case is to move him to a safe property and be given benefits to support him until he recovers his health. he signs on for his 58 pound sustenance money so he can put something in the gas and electric so he can bath and heat food on his cooker and buy himself a little shopping. his health is slowly improving and then bam in comes this new law saying the two bed flat social services and housing gave him a year or so back is now going to cost him £12 pw in bedtax and £5 pw council tax as well as the other outgoings. 10 gas 5 electric 12 bedtax 5 council tax 4 tv licence (when he was rehoused he was given and old portable tv) 4.50 water rates 10 pw bus fares to go to hospital for his treatment and to look for work to enable him to sign on at all and lastly 10 for food. right thats all his money gone. the food he buys has to be basic food like rice pasta and cereal and milk and a bar of soap and lets not forget a light bulb has blown which takes £2.99 of his food money this week. where are this vulnerable mans vitamins or his 5 a day in fruit and veg?? he cant afford them no matter how much he would love to buy them. after a few months of living like this. he hits crisis and is taken to get treatment. he is too ill to remember to fulfil his job-seeking agreement so when he signs on they sanction him for 3 months! no heat no food no clean clothes at all now and he doesnt get his rent paid. what happens to him now? he is a no win situation. he becomes homeless and he is starving slowly to death on the streets because he is too depressed to try any more. because he is homeless all the consultants and medication he is meant to take stops because they cant trace him now and he doesnt give a stuff anymore and doesnt care if he lives or dies. his mental health gets worse he goes out stealing just to get money for food and enters the criminal system (costing tax payers far more seeing as it costs to pay a judge/barrister for an hours in court and to use that room believe it or not) and then in winter he gets pneumonia and ends up in hospital seriously ill and too weak to fight the fight through lack of correct food he is there for a month (costing thousands a week). his diet has caused him to become weak ill and more depressed which our medical experts have told us would happen. this man was 20 years old. his rent and benefits were £135 per week the most obvious way for the government to save money and keep this man would have been to pay him the benefits and full rent. not that his diet would make him healthy though. this government are either too stupid or too evil or just cold hard criminal to be allowed to ruins our life saving and cost effective services but because of hatred like andy above for the more vulnerable and ill, spreading his gov lies and propaganda they are getting away with it right now and killing innocent people. how do you feel about a 20 year old dying due to lack of a home, medical treatment and food in 2014? i think its a national disgrace and the only reason they are thinking of exiting the eu is so people like the lad above have no rights to fight this corrupt government. roly is always right on these boards and you ignorant propaganda believing useful idiots are helping kill vulnerable and weak innocent victims in order to keep the poorest to ill to fight back. people like that lad dont know the law they think the benefit advisers are correct in what they do and that you cant appeal etc. you should hand you heads in shame for your support of state murder!. you disgust most decent humans. we had a safety net and the tories being the evil scum they are are demolishing it. i hope every single person who put an x in the ballot box loose everything one day and get illness so bad they cannot work. only then will these useful idiots realise they are voting their own families safety net away forever. andy (not brown) you and your ilk are scum. you are turning this country back to our slave days when our poor were used as slaves living on nothing. you have already started the transformation and if left in power will end up killing the vulnerable and shipping the rest to a deserted island somewhere so we dont have to care about them. you think you will make a better and stronger country but all you are doing is causing the people to live like the victorian poor and vulnerable in slums and begging for scraps of old food to feed themselves. gracie field
  • Score: -2

4:07pm Sat 5 Apr 14

gracie field says...

*lose *hang
*lose *hang gracie field
  • Score: -2

10:34pm Sat 5 Apr 14

CharleyVarrick says...

Can somebody tell me please what is this bedroom tax? Lol.. If you got a bedroom they tax you for it?
Can somebody tell me please what is this bedroom tax? Lol.. If you got a bedroom they tax you for it? CharleyVarrick
  • Score: -2

10:35pm Sat 5 Apr 14

CharleyVarrick says...

And while you're at it who is that yummy mommy in the picture there???? Is she part of the bedroom tax or bedroom attacks???
And while you're at it who is that yummy mommy in the picture there???? Is she part of the bedroom tax or bedroom attacks??? CharleyVarrick
  • Score: -2

2:45am Sun 6 Apr 14

gracie field says...

CharleyVarrick wrote:
Can somebody tell me please what is this bedroom tax? Lol.. If you got a bedroom they tax you for it?
that woman in the picture is mcevoy a lying sadistic mouthpiece of her tory puppet masters. she lives with our own local tory puppet davis.

you are right it shouldnt be called bedroom tax it should be called a what it actually is which is a massive reduction in benefits for the poorest and disabled.

most people in social housing were given their properties when no restrictions on size were in place. now the vulnerable and disabled are attacked with bedroomtax and there are no smaller properties for them to move to. how is that their fault when they werent given the option to move? why tax people who dont have a choice of moving because there are no available properties to move to?

how is that a reason for you to laugh out loud? whats funny about people starving, whose illnesses are being made worse and made homeless because of this dreadful assault on our weakest? whats funny about people dying due to the attack on the welfare by the tory scum.

lastly yes if anyone on disability support or any person who is on benefits (many are working btw) has an extra room (maybe for their children who spend half the week with them or for a carer uses to sleep in) are charged for that room so yes it is a tax on the poorest and most vulnerable.
[quote][p][bold]CharleyVarrick[/bold] wrote: Can somebody tell me please what is this bedroom tax? Lol.. If you got a bedroom they tax you for it?[/p][/quote]that woman in the picture is mcevoy a lying sadistic mouthpiece of her tory puppet masters. she lives with our own local tory puppet davis. you are right it shouldnt be called bedroom tax it should be called a what it actually is which is a massive reduction in benefits for the poorest and disabled. most people in social housing were given their properties when no restrictions on size were in place. now the vulnerable and disabled are attacked with bedroomtax and there are no smaller properties for them to move to. how is that their fault when they werent given the option to move? why tax people who dont have a choice of moving because there are no available properties to move to? how is that a reason for you to laugh out loud? whats funny about people starving, whose illnesses are being made worse and made homeless because of this dreadful assault on our weakest? whats funny about people dying due to the attack on the welfare by the tory scum. lastly yes if anyone on disability support or any person who is on benefits (many are working btw) has an extra room (maybe for their children who spend half the week with them or for a carer uses to sleep in) are charged for that room so yes it is a tax on the poorest and most vulnerable. gracie field
  • Score: -2

9:40am Sun 6 Apr 14

CharleyVarrick says...

gracie field wrote:
CharleyVarrick wrote:
Can somebody tell me please what is this bedroom tax? Lol.. If you got a bedroom they tax you for it?
that woman in the picture is mcevoy a lying sadistic mouthpiece of her tory puppet masters. she lives with our own local tory puppet davis.

you are right it shouldnt be called bedroom tax it should be called a what it actually is which is a massive reduction in benefits for the poorest and disabled.

most people in social housing were given their properties when no restrictions on size were in place. now the vulnerable and disabled are attacked with bedroomtax and there are no smaller properties for them to move to. how is that their fault when they werent given the option to move? why tax people who dont have a choice of moving because there are no available properties to move to?

how is that a reason for you to laugh out loud? whats funny about people starving, whose illnesses are being made worse and made homeless because of this dreadful assault on our weakest? whats funny about people dying due to the attack on the welfare by the tory scum.

lastly yes if anyone on disability support or any person who is on benefits (many are working btw) has an extra room (maybe for their children who spend half the week with them or for a carer uses to sleep in) are charged for that room so yes it is a tax on the poorest and most vulnerable.
Thanks for that. I. So sorry, I thought it was a joke. I didn't know what it was. Thanks for clarifying the point. The yummy mommy's not so yummy anymore.
[quote][p][bold]gracie field[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]CharleyVarrick[/bold] wrote: Can somebody tell me please what is this bedroom tax? Lol.. If you got a bedroom they tax you for it?[/p][/quote]that woman in the picture is mcevoy a lying sadistic mouthpiece of her tory puppet masters. she lives with our own local tory puppet davis. you are right it shouldnt be called bedroom tax it should be called a what it actually is which is a massive reduction in benefits for the poorest and disabled. most people in social housing were given their properties when no restrictions on size were in place. now the vulnerable and disabled are attacked with bedroomtax and there are no smaller properties for them to move to. how is that their fault when they werent given the option to move? why tax people who dont have a choice of moving because there are no available properties to move to? how is that a reason for you to laugh out loud? whats funny about people starving, whose illnesses are being made worse and made homeless because of this dreadful assault on our weakest? whats funny about people dying due to the attack on the welfare by the tory scum. lastly yes if anyone on disability support or any person who is on benefits (many are working btw) has an extra room (maybe for their children who spend half the week with them or for a carer uses to sleep in) are charged for that room so yes it is a tax on the poorest and most vulnerable.[/p][/quote]Thanks for that. I. So sorry, I thought it was a joke. I didn't know what it was. Thanks for clarifying the point. The yummy mommy's not so yummy anymore. CharleyVarrick
  • Score: -3

2:47pm Sun 6 Apr 14

RollandSmoke says...

Some great post's there Gracie. It's good to see some real posters who see through all the smoke and mirrors to the actual truth of the situation. These scumbags don't just need to be thrown out at the next election, they should be facing charges for all the suffering they have caused. They have not only neglected their duty of care but also continuously attacked those who through no fault of their own are reliant on them. As you are aware there have been deaths and there must be some accountability. There is little doubt that Government policy has factored heavily in those deaths. Some however will not be distracted from their X-Factor, Strictly come dancing or football no matter how loud you shout so the few who do speak up must do so louder and more often to compensate for this. They want us demoralised so we fall silent, we cannot give them that satisfaction.
Some great post's there Gracie. It's good to see some real posters who see through all the smoke and mirrors to the actual truth of the situation. These scumbags don't just need to be thrown out at the next election, they should be facing charges for all the suffering they have caused. They have not only neglected their duty of care but also continuously attacked those who through no fault of their own are reliant on them. As you are aware there have been deaths and there must be some accountability. There is little doubt that Government policy has factored heavily in those deaths. Some however will not be distracted from their X-Factor, Strictly come dancing or football no matter how loud you shout so the few who do speak up must do so louder and more often to compensate for this. They want us demoralised so we fall silent, we cannot give them that satisfaction. RollandSmoke
  • Score: -3

1:27pm Mon 7 Apr 14

thelastmanstanding says...

The Labour policy of allowing 8 million new people to drop anchor here was a game the poor could've done without as well.

Labour do not care one iota about the poor, unless that "Poor" person belongs to an ethnic minority group. I hate the tories, but would much rather have another 4 years of this living hell than vote for the genocide-by-immigran
t of my own people under a Labour government.
The Labour policy of allowing 8 million new people to drop anchor here was a game the poor could've done without as well. Labour do not care one iota about the poor, unless that "Poor" person belongs to an ethnic minority group. I hate the tories, but would much rather have another 4 years of this living hell than vote for the genocide-by-immigran t of my own people under a Labour government. thelastmanstanding
  • Score: 0

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