Bradford Council urged to provide more pupil places as Little Horton ward ‘is at tipping point’

Councillor Alyas Karmani

Councillor Alyas Karmani

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A councillor is pushing for another new school to be built in inner city Bradford due to the pressure on existing schools rolls by rising numbers of children.

Councillor Alyas Karmani, who represents Little Horton, says schools in his ward are already full, and this means that many families are not only missing out on their first choice schools but are also having to send children to ones some distance away from their homes.

And he does not believe the Council’s policy of expanding existing schools is sufficient to meet the expected rise in school age children in the area over the next decade.

At a meeting of Bradford Council, Coun Karmani asked Councillor Ralph Berry, executive for children’s services, if the authority would look at building a three-form primary school in the BD5 postcode area – which would have about 90 pupils in each year group.

Coun Berry responded by saying: “The Council monitors the need for school places on an ongoing basis and expansions of schools go through a process of consultation and decision making.

“The Department of Education grants capital monies to the local authority to enable it to expand schools or build additional ones in response to the growing population. Currently the council has been allocated money for 2014/15 and 2015/16.

“We do not know what future allocations will be. This makes planning beyond the next two years very difficult.”

Coun Berry said two new schools – Dixons Music School and Rainbow Primary School – had recently opened in the BD5 area, and several local schools had expanded.

Coun Berry added: “We consider that there are now sufficient school places in the area you refer to up to 2016/18. We continue to calculate and research potential future needs.”

Coun Karmani, who is leader of the Bradford Independent Group, said: “The reality on the ground is we haven’t got enough schools in BD5.

“We are at a tipping point. We are getting into the appeal season, and a lot of parents are calling me – more than I’ve ever had before – and saying they are not getting their first choice schools, and even having to go to places like Queensbury or Lidget Green for school places.

“There are a number of brownfield sites in BD5 that I think the Council could use to deliver a three form entry school.”

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9:41am Mon 31 Mar 14

spinnekop says...

One could always limit ones number of offspring?

And before 'cade' and his mob start, this is a global sustainability issue, not one of race.
One could always limit ones number of offspring? And before 'cade' and his mob start, this is a global sustainability issue, not one of race. spinnekop
  • Score: 44

9:47am Mon 31 Mar 14

allannicho says...

New Family Planning Clinic may be more value per money spent.
New Family Planning Clinic may be more value per money spent. allannicho
  • Score: 36

9:48am Mon 31 Mar 14

Michael Manus says...

It isn't just Little Horton ward that needs additional schools the same goes for all wards within the Bradford district!
It isn't just Little Horton ward that needs additional schools the same goes for all wards within the Bradford district! Michael Manus
  • Score: 18

9:59am Mon 31 Mar 14

Joedavid says...

Any old schools that could be used?
A lot seemed to be sold off.
Any old schools that could be used? A lot seemed to be sold off. Joedavid
  • Score: 14

10:00am Mon 31 Mar 14

Joedavid says...

Any old schools that could be used?
A lot seemed to be sold off though.
Any old schools that could be used? A lot seemed to be sold off though. Joedavid
  • Score: 7

10:09am Mon 31 Mar 14

pcmanners says...

Sounds like another Kings Academy scam.
Sounds like another Kings Academy scam. pcmanners
  • Score: 24

10:09am Mon 31 Mar 14

collos25 says...

New schools cost money , teachers cost money neither if which is available why not attack the underlying problem to many people.
New schools cost money , teachers cost money neither if which is available why not attack the underlying problem to many people. collos25
  • Score: 14

10:14am Mon 31 Mar 14

Son of Bradford says...

I would be surprised if Primary Age children, from BD5, are attending schools in Queensbury or Lidget Green. They are also full!

Could I also point out it is not a matter of 'First choice school' but 'First preference school' - just a slight difference but one that seemingly is not appreciated across the whole of the District.

If the so called Independent Cllr. is concerned about BD5 wait until the hundreds of new 3/4/5 bedroom houses are completed in Queensbury.
I would be surprised if Primary Age children, from BD5, are attending schools in Queensbury or Lidget Green. They are also full! Could I also point out it is not a matter of 'First choice school' but 'First preference school' - just a slight difference but one that seemingly is not appreciated across the whole of the District. If the so called Independent Cllr. is concerned about BD5 wait until the hundreds of new 3/4/5 bedroom houses are completed in Queensbury. Son of Bradford
  • Score: 13

10:32am Mon 31 Mar 14

northern pig says...

There was school in West bowling that was supposedly no longer needed.It was left to rot,vandalised and eventually torched.I believe a new state of the art medical centre was built where the school once stood.I live in a semi rural part of bradford and my children had to travel to school they had no other option.Everybody cannot have a school on their doorstep and expect to roll out of bed at eight in the morning and drop the kids off at eight thirty because it is convenient.
There was school in West bowling that was supposedly no longer needed.It was left to rot,vandalised and eventually torched.I believe a new state of the art medical centre was built where the school once stood.I live in a semi rural part of bradford and my children had to travel to school they had no other option.Everybody cannot have a school on their doorstep and expect to roll out of bed at eight in the morning and drop the kids off at eight thirty because it is convenient. northern pig
  • Score: 13

10:40am Mon 31 Mar 14

taleoftruth says...

How about a new City School on the Odeon site to relieve pressure across the whole District?
How about a new City School on the Odeon site to relieve pressure across the whole District? taleoftruth
  • Score: -15

10:45am Mon 31 Mar 14

Albion. says...

spinnekop wrote:
One could always limit ones number of offspring?

And before 'cade' and his mob start, this is a global sustainability issue, not one of race.
Totally agree.
[quote][p][bold]spinnekop[/bold] wrote: One could always limit ones number of offspring? And before 'cade' and his mob start, this is a global sustainability issue, not one of race.[/p][/quote]Totally agree. Albion.
  • Score: 20

10:46am Mon 31 Mar 14

Reality50 says...

Muslims are outbreeding us massively so he has a point. As long as any new school is a standard primary school and not an islamic curriculum one then i don't see a problrm though the costs to build new schools are huge..
Muslims are outbreeding us massively so he has a point. As long as any new school is a standard primary school and not an islamic curriculum one then i don't see a problrm though the costs to build new schools are huge.. Reality50
  • Score: 18

11:27am Mon 31 Mar 14

K.Y.E. says...

Reality50 wrote:
Muslims are outbreeding us massively so he has a point. As long as any new school is a standard primary school and not an islamic curriculum one then i don't see a problrm though the costs to build new schools are huge..
Who is this 'us' you refer to?
[quote][p][bold]Reality50[/bold] wrote: Muslims are outbreeding us massively so he has a point. As long as any new school is a standard primary school and not an islamic curriculum one then i don't see a problrm though the costs to build new schools are huge..[/p][/quote]Who is this 'us' you refer to? K.Y.E.
  • Score: -15

12:24pm Mon 31 Mar 14

They only do damage! says...

This is the result of mass imigration, what nobody asked for. We have groups of men living in a bush on thornton road (just above kfc). Look what is happening in france, the far right are nearly running the country.When people cant use the democratic process to achieve what they want, they will choose the only other option! a none democratic one. Vote ukip so we can control our own borders. You can only fit so many people in to one place!
This is the result of mass imigration, what nobody asked for. We have groups of men living in a bush on thornton road (just above kfc). Look what is happening in france, the far right are nearly running the country.When people cant use the democratic process to achieve what they want, they will choose the only other option! a none democratic one. Vote ukip so we can control our own borders. You can only fit so many people in to one place! They only do damage!
  • Score: 25

12:34pm Mon 31 Mar 14

Andy2010 says...

They only do damage! wrote:
This is the result of mass imigration, what nobody asked for. We have groups of men living in a bush on thornton road (just above kfc). Look what is happening in france, the far right are nearly running the country.When people cant use the democratic process to achieve what they want, they will choose the only other option! a none democratic one. Vote ukip so we can control our own borders. You can only fit so many people in to one place!
Exactly

Still many more will still vote Labour in the elections only making the problem worse

*sighs*
[quote][p][bold]They only do damage![/bold] wrote: This is the result of mass imigration, what nobody asked for. We have groups of men living in a bush on thornton road (just above kfc). Look what is happening in france, the far right are nearly running the country.When people cant use the democratic process to achieve what they want, they will choose the only other option! a none democratic one. Vote ukip so we can control our own borders. You can only fit so many people in to one place![/p][/quote]Exactly Still many more will still vote Labour in the elections only making the problem worse *sighs* Andy2010
  • Score: 20

12:35pm Mon 31 Mar 14

Andy2010 says...

They only do damage! wrote:
This is the result of mass imigration, what nobody asked for. We have groups of men living in a bush on thornton road (just above kfc). Look what is happening in france, the far right are nearly running the country.When people cant use the democratic process to achieve what they want, they will choose the only other option! a none democratic one. Vote ukip so we can control our own borders. You can only fit so many people in to one place!
Exactly

Still many more will still vote Labour in the elections only making the problem worse

*sighs*
[quote][p][bold]They only do damage![/bold] wrote: This is the result of mass imigration, what nobody asked for. We have groups of men living in a bush on thornton road (just above kfc). Look what is happening in france, the far right are nearly running the country.When people cant use the democratic process to achieve what they want, they will choose the only other option! a none democratic one. Vote ukip so we can control our own borders. You can only fit so many people in to one place![/p][/quote]Exactly Still many more will still vote Labour in the elections only making the problem worse *sighs* Andy2010
  • Score: 9

1:05pm Mon 31 Mar 14

Michael Manus says...

Son of Bradford wrote:
I would be surprised if Primary Age children, from BD5, are attending schools in Queensbury or Lidget Green. They are also full!

Could I also point out it is not a matter of 'First choice school' but 'First preference school' - just a slight difference but one that seemingly is not appreciated across the whole of the District.

If the so called Independent Cllr. is concerned about BD5 wait until the hundreds of new 3/4/5 bedroom houses are completed in Queensbury.
There are children from 3 families from the Lidget Green area who attend one of the primary schools in Queensbury why they have been allowed is beyond me when children who live in Queensbury are still on the waiting list. All very quiet from our local Councillors at the moment give it 4 weeks when the election leaflets are handed out I'm sure all parties standing will be condemning the new house builds.
[quote][p][bold]Son of Bradford[/bold] wrote: I would be surprised if Primary Age children, from BD5, are attending schools in Queensbury or Lidget Green. They are also full! Could I also point out it is not a matter of 'First choice school' but 'First preference school' - just a slight difference but one that seemingly is not appreciated across the whole of the District. If the so called Independent Cllr. is concerned about BD5 wait until the hundreds of new 3/4/5 bedroom houses are completed in Queensbury.[/p][/quote]There are children from 3 families from the Lidget Green area who attend one of the primary schools in Queensbury why they have been allowed is beyond me when children who live in Queensbury are still on the waiting list. All very quiet from our local Councillors at the moment give it 4 weeks when the election leaflets are handed out I'm sure all parties standing will be condemning the new house builds. Michael Manus
  • Score: 11

1:23pm Mon 31 Mar 14

The Hoffster says...

Reality50 wrote:
Muslims are outbreeding us massively so he has a point. As long as any new school is a standard primary school and not an islamic curriculum one then i don't see a problrm though the costs to build new schools are huge..
The vile Islamophobe just couldn't resist it., could he ?
[quote][p][bold]Reality50[/bold] wrote: Muslims are outbreeding us massively so he has a point. As long as any new school is a standard primary school and not an islamic curriculum one then i don't see a problrm though the costs to build new schools are huge..[/p][/quote]The vile Islamophobe just couldn't resist it., could he ? The Hoffster
  • Score: -21

1:38pm Mon 31 Mar 14

Andy2010 says...

The Hoffster wrote:
Reality50 wrote:
Muslims are outbreeding us massively so he has a point. As long as any new school is a standard primary school and not an islamic curriculum one then i don't see a problrm though the costs to build new schools are huge..
The vile Islamophobe just couldn't resist it., could he ?
Ive been waiting for the Hoffster. Knew it wouldnt be long
[quote][p][bold]The Hoffster[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Reality50[/bold] wrote: Muslims are outbreeding us massively so he has a point. As long as any new school is a standard primary school and not an islamic curriculum one then i don't see a problrm though the costs to build new schools are huge..[/p][/quote]The vile Islamophobe just couldn't resist it., could he ?[/p][/quote]Ive been waiting for the Hoffster. Knew it wouldnt be long Andy2010
  • Score: 10

1:40pm Mon 31 Mar 14

JAtkinson says...

Wading for a moment through the vile, racist detritus, please remember that the government recently okayed £45m for a Free School serving just 500 students - so money isn't the problem. The problem is where that money's going to - and just for a change, it's sloshing around central London, never to be seen by the likes of us.

Always remember: if you are working class and living in the north, the Tories hate you and will punish you in order to make their councils, their constituencies and their friends richer and even more well off compared to you.
Wading for a moment through the vile, racist detritus, please remember that the government recently okayed £45m for a Free School serving just 500 students - so money isn't the problem. The problem is where that money's going to - and just for a change, it's sloshing around central London, never to be seen by the likes of us. Always remember: if you are working class and living in the north, the Tories hate you and will punish you in order to make their councils, their constituencies and their friends richer and even more well off compared to you. JAtkinson
  • Score: -9

1:58pm Mon 31 Mar 14

Andy2010 says...

JAtkinson wrote:
Wading for a moment through the vile, racist detritus, please remember that the government recently okayed £45m for a Free School serving just 500 students - so money isn't the problem. The problem is where that money's going to - and just for a change, it's sloshing around central London, never to be seen by the likes of us.

Always remember: if you are working class and living in the north, the Tories hate you and will punish you in order to make their councils, their constituencies and their friends richer and even more well off compared to you.
Actually you are way off the mark there

Nearly twice as much has been spent in Yorkshire on existing and new schools in the last ten years than anywhere else in the country. Admittedly not all Tory spending but they have kept up the trend whilst in power.
[quote][p][bold]JAtkinson[/bold] wrote: Wading for a moment through the vile, racist detritus, please remember that the government recently okayed £45m for a Free School serving just 500 students - so money isn't the problem. The problem is where that money's going to - and just for a change, it's sloshing around central London, never to be seen by the likes of us. Always remember: if you are working class and living in the north, the Tories hate you and will punish you in order to make their councils, their constituencies and their friends richer and even more well off compared to you.[/p][/quote]Actually you are way off the mark there Nearly twice as much has been spent in Yorkshire on existing and new schools in the last ten years than anywhere else in the country. Admittedly not all Tory spending but they have kept up the trend whilst in power. Andy2010
  • Score: 4

2:48pm Mon 31 Mar 14

bd7 helper says...

no money but we want more
no money but we want more bd7 helper
  • Score: 5

3:04pm Mon 31 Mar 14

philosospher says...

Education on population control world-wide is absolutely essential ... the number of inhabitants on this long-suffering planet has increased from 2 billion in 1950 to 7 billion now, and those who want families must accept the responsibility to consider the horror of lands ruined by vast, unmanageable mega-cities ... it simply can't go on, and no ideology 'in heaven' or on earth can claim exclusion from these simple, hard facts ... the environment, world economy and our very survival depend on the adoption of this simple logic.
Education on population control world-wide is absolutely essential ... the number of inhabitants on this long-suffering planet has increased from 2 billion in 1950 to 7 billion now, and those who want families must accept the responsibility to consider the horror of lands ruined by vast, unmanageable mega-cities ... it simply can't go on, and no ideology 'in heaven' or on earth can claim exclusion from these simple, hard facts ... the environment, world economy and our very survival depend on the adoption of this simple logic. philosospher
  • Score: 15

3:10pm Mon 31 Mar 14

BD16 says...

They only do damage! wrote:
This is the result of mass imigration, what nobody asked for. We have groups of men living in a bush on thornton road (just above kfc). Look what is happening in france, the far right are nearly running the country.When people cant use the democratic process to achieve what they want, they will choose the only other option! a none democratic one. Vote ukip so we can control our own borders. You can only fit so many people in to one place!
Vote UKIP and you'll get Miliband.
[quote][p][bold]They only do damage![/bold] wrote: This is the result of mass imigration, what nobody asked for. We have groups of men living in a bush on thornton road (just above kfc). Look what is happening in france, the far right are nearly running the country.When people cant use the democratic process to achieve what they want, they will choose the only other option! a none democratic one. Vote ukip so we can control our own borders. You can only fit so many people in to one place![/p][/quote]Vote UKIP and you'll get Miliband. BD16
  • Score: -4

3:17pm Mon 31 Mar 14

Andy2010 says...

philosospher wrote:
Education on population control world-wide is absolutely essential ... the number of inhabitants on this long-suffering planet has increased from 2 billion in 1950 to 7 billion now, and those who want families must accept the responsibility to consider the horror of lands ruined by vast, unmanageable mega-cities ... it simply can't go on, and no ideology 'in heaven' or on earth can claim exclusion from these simple, hard facts ... the environment, world economy and our very survival depend on the adoption of this simple logic.
So your answer to this then?

Adopt the Chinese approach?
[quote][p][bold]philosospher[/bold] wrote: Education on population control world-wide is absolutely essential ... the number of inhabitants on this long-suffering planet has increased from 2 billion in 1950 to 7 billion now, and those who want families must accept the responsibility to consider the horror of lands ruined by vast, unmanageable mega-cities ... it simply can't go on, and no ideology 'in heaven' or on earth can claim exclusion from these simple, hard facts ... the environment, world economy and our very survival depend on the adoption of this simple logic.[/p][/quote]So your answer to this then? Adopt the Chinese approach? Andy2010
  • Score: 8

3:45pm Mon 31 Mar 14

tinytoonster says...

Andy2010 wrote:
philosospher wrote:
Education on population control world-wide is absolutely essential ... the number of inhabitants on this long-suffering planet has increased from 2 billion in 1950 to 7 billion now, and those who want families must accept the responsibility to consider the horror of lands ruined by vast, unmanageable mega-cities ... it simply can't go on, and no ideology 'in heaven' or on earth can claim exclusion from these simple, hard facts ... the environment, world economy and our very survival depend on the adoption of this simple logic.
So your answer to this then?

Adopt the Chinese approach?
sounds good to me.
they are talking about charging £10 a month to use the nhs i pay national insurance into!
i think anyone with more than 2 kids should pay extra taxes and forfeit child benefit.
you want them you pay for them.
i didn't create them so why should i pay?
[quote][p][bold]Andy2010[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]philosospher[/bold] wrote: Education on population control world-wide is absolutely essential ... the number of inhabitants on this long-suffering planet has increased from 2 billion in 1950 to 7 billion now, and those who want families must accept the responsibility to consider the horror of lands ruined by vast, unmanageable mega-cities ... it simply can't go on, and no ideology 'in heaven' or on earth can claim exclusion from these simple, hard facts ... the environment, world economy and our very survival depend on the adoption of this simple logic.[/p][/quote]So your answer to this then? Adopt the Chinese approach?[/p][/quote]sounds good to me. they are talking about charging £10 a month to use the nhs i pay national insurance into! i think anyone with more than 2 kids should pay extra taxes and forfeit child benefit. you want them you pay for them. i didn't create them so why should i pay? tinytoonster
  • Score: 8

4:33pm Mon 31 Mar 14

Andy2010 says...

tinytoonster wrote:
Andy2010 wrote:
philosospher wrote:
Education on population control world-wide is absolutely essential ... the number of inhabitants on this long-suffering planet has increased from 2 billion in 1950 to 7 billion now, and those who want families must accept the responsibility to consider the horror of lands ruined by vast, unmanageable mega-cities ... it simply can't go on, and no ideology 'in heaven' or on earth can claim exclusion from these simple, hard facts ... the environment, world economy and our very survival depend on the adoption of this simple logic.
So your answer to this then?

Adopt the Chinese approach?
sounds good to me.
they are talking about charging £10 a month to use the nhs i pay national insurance into!
i think anyone with more than 2 kids should pay extra taxes and forfeit child benefit.
you want them you pay for them.
i didn't create them so why should i pay?
Totally agree. Stop Child benefit....well any benefit for anything more than 2 children then reinvest this money into building new schools and improving existing ones.

Population will be slowed down as nothing in it for the breeders out there and the children left will get a better education due to more funding etc.

There you go....sorted
[quote][p][bold]tinytoonster[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Andy2010[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]philosospher[/bold] wrote: Education on population control world-wide is absolutely essential ... the number of inhabitants on this long-suffering planet has increased from 2 billion in 1950 to 7 billion now, and those who want families must accept the responsibility to consider the horror of lands ruined by vast, unmanageable mega-cities ... it simply can't go on, and no ideology 'in heaven' or on earth can claim exclusion from these simple, hard facts ... the environment, world economy and our very survival depend on the adoption of this simple logic.[/p][/quote]So your answer to this then? Adopt the Chinese approach?[/p][/quote]sounds good to me. they are talking about charging £10 a month to use the nhs i pay national insurance into! i think anyone with more than 2 kids should pay extra taxes and forfeit child benefit. you want them you pay for them. i didn't create them so why should i pay?[/p][/quote]Totally agree. Stop Child benefit....well any benefit for anything more than 2 children then reinvest this money into building new schools and improving existing ones. Population will be slowed down as nothing in it for the breeders out there and the children left will get a better education due to more funding etc. There you go....sorted Andy2010
  • Score: 12

5:16pm Mon 31 Mar 14

awasteoftime says...

Many people seem to think that the rate of breeding is part of the problem and they are of course correct. Why is this ?. Has it anything to do with the very generous benefits that we pay out to these families. The more kids they have the more we pay out and it has been stated in the past that the Muslims wish to drain the funds of the west so that in the future the UK can have an Islamic Government.
Maybe one answer is to use some of our very generous foreign aid that we send to Pakistan asking them to use the money to build schools over there and then these families can send their kids back to Pakistan for all their schooling, the parents could of course go with them.
Many people seem to think that the rate of breeding is part of the problem and they are of course correct. Why is this ?. Has it anything to do with the very generous benefits that we pay out to these families. The more kids they have the more we pay out and it has been stated in the past that the Muslims wish to drain the funds of the west so that in the future the UK can have an Islamic Government. Maybe one answer is to use some of our very generous foreign aid that we send to Pakistan asking them to use the money to build schools over there and then these families can send their kids back to Pakistan for all their schooling, the parents could of course go with them. awasteoftime
  • Score: 17

7:26pm Mon 31 Mar 14

JAtkinson says...

Blooming heck - das Kommentors out in force on this one.

We want our children to go to a school close by... T&A commenters' solution: ban free schooling, remove the welfare state, and have poorer people sterilised and / or kicked out of the country.

I'm very proud and pleased to live in Bradford but, Jesus, you lot make it hard.
Blooming heck - das Kommentors out in force on this one. We want our children to go to a school close by... T&A commenters' solution: ban free schooling, remove the welfare state, and have poorer people sterilised and / or kicked out of the country. I'm very proud and pleased to live in Bradford but, Jesus, you lot make it hard. JAtkinson
  • Score: -7

7:58pm Mon 31 Mar 14

tinytoonster says...

JAtkinson wrote:
Blooming heck - das Kommentors out in force on this one.

We want our children to go to a school close by... T&A commenters' solution: ban free schooling, remove the welfare state, and have poorer people sterilised and / or kicked out of the country.

I'm very proud and pleased to live in Bradford but, Jesus, you lot make it hard.
so there is someone who is proud to live in this bradford!
not the one i grew up in!!
[quote][p][bold]JAtkinson[/bold] wrote: Blooming heck - das Kommentors out in force on this one. We want our children to go to a school close by... T&A commenters' solution: ban free schooling, remove the welfare state, and have poorer people sterilised and / or kicked out of the country. I'm very proud and pleased to live in Bradford but, Jesus, you lot make it hard.[/p][/quote]so there is someone who is proud to live in this bradford! not the one i grew up in!! tinytoonster
  • Score: 11

8:28pm Mon 31 Mar 14

pcmanners says...

K.Y.E. wrote:
Reality50 wrote:
Muslims are outbreeding us massively so he has a point. As long as any new school is a standard primary school and not an islamic curriculum one then i don't see a problrm though the costs to build new schools are huge..
Who is this 'us' you refer to?
The 'us' are people brought up in a country whose legal and business system was informed by Christian values and want it to stay that way.

We are people who do not approve of routine corruption in public life.

We are people who respect our women as equals. We do not mutilate them. We do not force them to wear clothing of subjugation. We do not force our daughters to marry somebody of our choosing. We do not kill then if they fall in love with somebody else.

We do not abuse the animals we kill for food.

Whatever we think of criminals we do not amputate their limbs or declare a public holiday to stone lovers to death.

In short we are people who want a balanced and sensible society that respects the rights of others. Where religion has its place, but fanaticism is rejected, if only on the grounds of good manners.

We are not Muslims.
[quote][p][bold]K.Y.E.[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Reality50[/bold] wrote: Muslims are outbreeding us massively so he has a point. As long as any new school is a standard primary school and not an islamic curriculum one then i don't see a problrm though the costs to build new schools are huge..[/p][/quote]Who is this 'us' you refer to?[/p][/quote]The 'us' are people brought up in a country whose legal and business system was informed by Christian values and want it to stay that way. We are people who do not approve of routine corruption in public life. We are people who respect our women as equals. We do not mutilate them. We do not force them to wear clothing of subjugation. We do not force our daughters to marry somebody of our choosing. We do not kill then if they fall in love with somebody else. We do not abuse the animals we kill for food. Whatever we think of criminals we do not amputate their limbs or declare a public holiday to stone lovers to death. In short we are people who want a balanced and sensible society that respects the rights of others. Where religion has its place, but fanaticism is rejected, if only on the grounds of good manners. We are not Muslims. pcmanners
  • Score: 21

10:29pm Mon 31 Mar 14

mrs walker says...

pcmanners wrote:
K.Y.E. wrote:
Reality50 wrote:
Muslims are outbreeding us massively so he has a point. As long as any new school is a standard primary school and not an islamic curriculum one then i don't see a problrm though the costs to build new schools are huge..
Who is this 'us' you refer to?
The 'us' are people brought up in a country whose legal and business system was informed by Christian values and want it to stay that way.

We are people who do not approve of routine corruption in public life.

We are people who respect our women as equals. We do not mutilate them. We do not force them to wear clothing of subjugation. We do not force our daughters to marry somebody of our choosing. We do not kill then if they fall in love with somebody else.

We do not abuse the animals we kill for food.

Whatever we think of criminals we do not amputate their limbs or declare a public holiday to stone lovers to death.

In short we are people who want a balanced and sensible society that respects the rights of others. Where religion has its place, but fanaticism is rejected, if only on the grounds of good manners.

We are not Muslims.
You're talking cultural mores here, not religious ones. Many Muslims are fighting corruption in public life - just as we are. As a woman I can vouch that are many men in British culture who do not treat me as an equal. Conversely many Muslim men do treat women as equals - or have you conveniently forgotten that Benazir Bhutto, whatever you think of her policies, was Prime Minister of Pakistan? FGM is not a given in Islam - it is cultural, not religious. Your idea of 'clothing of subjugation' is subjective - it's based on your opinion, not a Muslim woman's. An arranged marriage is not a forced marriage - many, many Muslims are against forced marriages. Some Muslims kill their daughters, most don't. Some white British men kill their daughters, most don't. If you've seen abattoir footage you'd know that we *do* abuse the animals we kill for food - trust me: be vegetarian. If you read the Daily Mail you'd realise that a huge swathe of Britain would love to see our criminals mutilated. In short, many of us are no better and no worse than many other people in the world. If you respect the rights of others, prove it by writing less bigoted - and more informed - posts. Peace be with you.
[quote][p][bold]pcmanners[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]K.Y.E.[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Reality50[/bold] wrote: Muslims are outbreeding us massively so he has a point. As long as any new school is a standard primary school and not an islamic curriculum one then i don't see a problrm though the costs to build new schools are huge..[/p][/quote]Who is this 'us' you refer to?[/p][/quote]The 'us' are people brought up in a country whose legal and business system was informed by Christian values and want it to stay that way. We are people who do not approve of routine corruption in public life. We are people who respect our women as equals. We do not mutilate them. We do not force them to wear clothing of subjugation. We do not force our daughters to marry somebody of our choosing. We do not kill then if they fall in love with somebody else. We do not abuse the animals we kill for food. Whatever we think of criminals we do not amputate their limbs or declare a public holiday to stone lovers to death. In short we are people who want a balanced and sensible society that respects the rights of others. Where religion has its place, but fanaticism is rejected, if only on the grounds of good manners. We are not Muslims.[/p][/quote]You're talking cultural mores here, not religious ones. Many Muslims are fighting corruption in public life - just as we are. As a woman I can vouch that are many men in British culture who do not treat me as an equal. Conversely many Muslim men do treat women as equals - or have you conveniently forgotten that Benazir Bhutto, whatever you think of her policies, was Prime Minister of Pakistan? FGM is not a given in Islam - it is cultural, not religious. Your idea of 'clothing of subjugation' is subjective - it's based on your opinion, not a Muslim woman's. An arranged marriage is not a forced marriage - many, many Muslims are against forced marriages. Some Muslims kill their daughters, most don't. Some white British men kill their daughters, most don't. If you've seen abattoir footage you'd know that we *do* abuse the animals we kill for food - trust me: be vegetarian. If you read the Daily Mail you'd realise that a huge swathe of Britain would love to see our criminals mutilated. In short, many of us are no better and no worse than many other people in the world. If you respect the rights of others, prove it by writing less bigoted - and more informed - posts. Peace be with you. mrs walker
  • Score: -3

10:34pm Mon 31 Mar 14

mrs walker says...

awasteoftime wrote:
Many people seem to think that the rate of breeding is part of the problem and they are of course correct. Why is this ?. Has it anything to do with the very generous benefits that we pay out to these families. The more kids they have the more we pay out and it has been stated in the past that the Muslims wish to drain the funds of the west so that in the future the UK can have an Islamic Government.
Maybe one answer is to use some of our very generous foreign aid that we send to Pakistan asking them to use the money to build schools over there and then these families can send their kids back to Pakistan for all their schooling, the parents could of course go with them.
Most of the kids are British and identify with being British. The logic of sending them 'back' to Pakistan is almost on a par with sending white kids to Normandy, or Italy to go to school. After all, that's where a lot of our ancestors came from.
[quote][p][bold]awasteoftime[/bold] wrote: Many people seem to think that the rate of breeding is part of the problem and they are of course correct. Why is this ?. Has it anything to do with the very generous benefits that we pay out to these families. The more kids they have the more we pay out and it has been stated in the past that the Muslims wish to drain the funds of the west so that in the future the UK can have an Islamic Government. Maybe one answer is to use some of our very generous foreign aid that we send to Pakistan asking them to use the money to build schools over there and then these families can send their kids back to Pakistan for all their schooling, the parents could of course go with them.[/p][/quote]Most of the kids are British and identify with being British. The logic of sending them 'back' to Pakistan is almost on a par with sending white kids to Normandy, or Italy to go to school. After all, that's where a lot of our ancestors came from. mrs walker
  • Score: -4

12:41am Tue 1 Apr 14

thatsnotmyname says...

Like it or not the Bradford parents seem to be reproducing at a above average rate. Mostly asian backgrounds but also white British. Unfortunately it all boils down to education and culture. On the asian side there is interbreeding amongst families which causes extra strain on resources as a percentage of the children produced in these situations are unfortunately mentally inept. Then you have the 'A' typical white chav who like to breed like rabbits producing not so fluffy bunnys. We drastically need a culture shift to reduce the number of children being born in this country which has been influenced by the welfare system.
Like it or not the Bradford parents seem to be reproducing at a above average rate. Mostly asian backgrounds but also white British. Unfortunately it all boils down to education and culture. On the asian side there is interbreeding amongst families which causes extra strain on resources as a percentage of the children produced in these situations are unfortunately mentally inept. Then you have the 'A' typical white chav who like to breed like rabbits producing not so fluffy bunnys. We drastically need a culture shift to reduce the number of children being born in this country which has been influenced by the welfare system. thatsnotmyname
  • Score: 13

2:23am Tue 1 Apr 14

BD3 BOY says...

Lets not even go down the Pakistani/Muslim breeding issue because I see a lot of 'English' white girls in Bradford town centre looking like dogs dinner, fake tan, hair extensions and everything chavvy on pushing 2 push chairs and another 2 kids walking with them all under the age of 5.....oh and the chavvy mother is only 15 as well.......People in glass houses shouldn't throw stones....
Lets not even go down the Pakistani/Muslim breeding issue because I see a lot of 'English' white girls in Bradford town centre looking like dogs dinner, fake tan, hair extensions and everything chavvy on pushing 2 push chairs and another 2 kids walking with them all under the age of 5.....oh and the chavvy mother is only 15 as well.......People in glass houses shouldn't throw stones.... BD3 BOY
  • Score: -7

9:47am Tue 1 Apr 14

Andy2010 says...

BD3 BOY wrote:
Lets not even go down the Pakistani/Muslim breeding issue because I see a lot of 'English' white girls in Bradford town centre looking like dogs dinner, fake tan, hair extensions and everything chavvy on pushing 2 push chairs and another 2 kids walking with them all under the age of 5.....oh and the chavvy mother is only 15 as well.......People in glass houses shouldn't throw stones....
Yes

These chavvy girls should be constrained to their homes and shoudl only be allowed to leave if they cover their faces and every inch of their body.

These chavvy young girls should also be made to marry "Uncle" Mohammed aged 50 from Kashmir and then be treated as second class citizens

That will sort them out wont it
[quote][p][bold]BD3 BOY[/bold] wrote: Lets not even go down the Pakistani/Muslim breeding issue because I see a lot of 'English' white girls in Bradford town centre looking like dogs dinner, fake tan, hair extensions and everything chavvy on pushing 2 push chairs and another 2 kids walking with them all under the age of 5.....oh and the chavvy mother is only 15 as well.......People in glass houses shouldn't throw stones....[/p][/quote]Yes These chavvy girls should be constrained to their homes and shoudl only be allowed to leave if they cover their faces and every inch of their body. These chavvy young girls should also be made to marry "Uncle" Mohammed aged 50 from Kashmir and then be treated as second class citizens That will sort them out wont it Andy2010
  • Score: 6

10:52am Tue 1 Apr 14

BD16 says...

BD3 BOY wrote:
Lets not even go down the Pakistani/Muslim breeding issue because I see a lot of 'English' white girls in Bradford town centre looking like dogs dinner, fake tan, hair extensions and everything chavvy on pushing 2 push chairs and another 2 kids walking with them all under the age of 5.....oh and the chavvy mother is only 15 as well.......People in glass houses shouldn't throw stones....
May I refer you to the first post on this thread, I than that covers it succinctly
[quote][p][bold]BD3 BOY[/bold] wrote: Lets not even go down the Pakistani/Muslim breeding issue because I see a lot of 'English' white girls in Bradford town centre looking like dogs dinner, fake tan, hair extensions and everything chavvy on pushing 2 push chairs and another 2 kids walking with them all under the age of 5.....oh and the chavvy mother is only 15 as well.......People in glass houses shouldn't throw stones....[/p][/quote]May I refer you to the first post on this thread, I than that covers it succinctly BD16
  • Score: 4

11:07am Tue 1 Apr 14

allannicho says...

JAtkinson wrote:
Wading for a moment through the vile, racist detritus, please remember that the government recently okayed £45m for a Free School serving just 500 students - so money isn't the problem. The problem is where that money's going to - and just for a change, it's sloshing around central London, never to be seen by the likes of us.

Always remember: if you are working class and living in the north, the Tories hate you and will punish you in order to make their councils, their constituencies and their friends richer and even more well off compared to you.
Wise up this Socialist nonsense belongs in the 1950,s
[quote][p][bold]JAtkinson[/bold] wrote: Wading for a moment through the vile, racist detritus, please remember that the government recently okayed £45m for a Free School serving just 500 students - so money isn't the problem. The problem is where that money's going to - and just for a change, it's sloshing around central London, never to be seen by the likes of us. Always remember: if you are working class and living in the north, the Tories hate you and will punish you in order to make their councils, their constituencies and their friends richer and even more well off compared to you.[/p][/quote]Wise up this Socialist nonsense belongs in the 1950,s allannicho
  • Score: 4

2:44am Wed 2 Apr 14

Dojo121 says...

you guys are bloody crazy!!! honestly i truly believe that ever race, religion or culture has a few bad apples but to taint a whole society is just ignorent. thats why i find the lovely young asain family who have lived next door to me for the last 5 years looking to move away to Skipton. i asked why as its a great loss to me!!! they treat me with respect invite me round for dinner and always check on me to make sure im okay. they generally are some of nicest people i have ever met. the reason they say is because they feel everywhere they turn whether profesionally or socially they seem to find that they have to change peoples views about asians. they say that they can start fresh and go somehwere where people dont have biased opinion on them straight away and judge them for what they look like. i found this confusing as skipton seems to me to be mostly white. my friend said because people there had not had much experiance with bad asians they wont be as judgemental about all asians. sad really that because people dont take time to get to know each other we are slowly losing the good people of that society!!!
you guys are bloody crazy!!! honestly i truly believe that ever race, religion or culture has a few bad apples but to taint a whole society is just ignorent. thats why i find the lovely young asain family who have lived next door to me for the last 5 years looking to move away to Skipton. i asked why as its a great loss to me!!! they treat me with respect invite me round for dinner and always check on me to make sure im okay. they generally are some of nicest people i have ever met. the reason they say is because they feel everywhere they turn whether profesionally or socially they seem to find that they have to change peoples views about asians. they say that they can start fresh and go somehwere where people dont have biased opinion on them straight away and judge them for what they look like. i found this confusing as skipton seems to me to be mostly white. my friend said because people there had not had much experiance with bad asians they wont be as judgemental about all asians. sad really that because people dont take time to get to know each other we are slowly losing the good people of that society!!! Dojo121
  • Score: 2

8:22am Sun 27 Apr 14

henjni says...

spinnekop wrote:
One could always limit ones number of offspring?

And before 'cade' and his mob start, this is a global sustainability issue, not one of race.
This is such a sad vision. Limiting the numbers of children you have for others who don't want/like children is sad. I'm blessed with my children and I wouldn't change it for owt.
[quote][p][bold]spinnekop[/bold] wrote: One could always limit ones number of offspring? And before 'cade' and his mob start, this is a global sustainability issue, not one of race.[/p][/quote]This is such a sad vision. Limiting the numbers of children you have for others who don't want/like children is sad. I'm blessed with my children and I wouldn't change it for owt. henjni
  • Score: 0

8:23am Sun 27 Apr 14

henjni says...

BD3 BOY wrote:
Lets not even go down the Pakistani/Muslim breeding issue because I see a lot of 'English' white girls in Bradford town centre looking like dogs dinner, fake tan, hair extensions and everything chavvy on pushing 2 push chairs and another 2 kids walking with them all under the age of 5.....oh and the chavvy mother is only 15 as well.......People in glass houses shouldn't throw stones....
Well said
[quote][p][bold]BD3 BOY[/bold] wrote: Lets not even go down the Pakistani/Muslim breeding issue because I see a lot of 'English' white girls in Bradford town centre looking like dogs dinner, fake tan, hair extensions and everything chavvy on pushing 2 push chairs and another 2 kids walking with them all under the age of 5.....oh and the chavvy mother is only 15 as well.......People in glass houses shouldn't throw stones....[/p][/quote]Well said henjni
  • Score: 0

8:23am Sun 27 Apr 14

henjni says...

BD3 BOY wrote:
Lets not even go down the Pakistani/Muslim breeding issue because I see a lot of 'English' white girls in Bradford town centre looking like dogs dinner, fake tan, hair extensions and everything chavvy on pushing 2 push chairs and another 2 kids walking with them all under the age of 5.....oh and the chavvy mother is only 15 as well.......People in glass houses shouldn't throw stones....
Well said
[quote][p][bold]BD3 BOY[/bold] wrote: Lets not even go down the Pakistani/Muslim breeding issue because I see a lot of 'English' white girls in Bradford town centre looking like dogs dinner, fake tan, hair extensions and everything chavvy on pushing 2 push chairs and another 2 kids walking with them all under the age of 5.....oh and the chavvy mother is only 15 as well.......People in glass houses shouldn't throw stones....[/p][/quote]Well said henjni
  • Score: 0

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